[nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks
Joshua Lester
jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
Tue Sep 13 14:46:38 UTC 2011
I think we need a separate list, for us to discuss political issues,
and how they affect us as blind individuals.
Blessings, Joshua
On 9/13/11, Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> *snort*. Anyway ...
>
> On 13.09.2011, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>> I hate to veer off the given topic, somewhat, but I want to say
>> something about Nimer Jaber's points.
>> #1. Bill ORiley, isn't anyone's puppet.
>> He's endependent.
>> #2. Fox News isn't run by a Republican machine, because both sides of
>> the aisle, are fairly represented, which makes Fox News the most
>> trusted name in news.
>> The ratings prove it!
>> Fox News is #1, while MSNBC, (which I call, MSLSD,) is dead last.
>> That ought to tell you something.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 9/12/11, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Ashley,
>>>
>>> I know there used to be a lot of problems, especially in the 70's
>>> and early 80's, with airlines taking our canes away when we get
>>> on the plane. There were a couple NFB songs written about this,
>>> and I wish I could remember the line from "Daring Young Man on
>>> the Flying Trapeze" about airlines taking blind people's canes,
>>> but unfortunately I can't, nor can I find my song book at the
>>> moment. All I remember is "But we say our white canes will
>>> stay." The Federation sued United Airlines about this in the late
>>> 70's (I'm not sure of the year) and won. I didn't know, however,
>>> that we were having these problems. If we really are, and some
>>> people are just overreacting to the fact that the TSA security
>>> agents (who, by the way, aren't employed by the airlines, but are
>>> government employees) X-ray your canes, I'd suggest to file a
>>> complaint with the airline, talk to the NFB, or both. However,
>>> it's a security measure to X-ray canes, and being the independent
>>> travelers we are, I don't think we should have a problem with
>>> that. Before I was independent enough to do this on my own, I
>>> would ask the TSA agent to do sighted guide with me (after
>>> showing them the correct technique, of course) to the other side
>>> of the little X-ray area, then hand the cane out to me when they
>>> were done scanning it. Now, they take the cane, and I
>>> independently go to the other side of the little area, find the
>>> tile, and wait for the cane. Just my two cents!
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> Chris Nusbaum
>>>
>>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The
>>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>>> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and
>>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
>>> nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National
>>> Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.)
>>>
>>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at:
>>> www.icanfoundation.info for
>>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
>>> impaired children in MD say "I can!"
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my BrailleNote
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 16:01:14 -0400
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks
>>>
>>> Beth,
>>> What nationality are you? So you follow Islam. I know several
>>> Muslims and if
>>> we stay away from religion, we are okay.
>>> Why did the airport people take your cane? I really don't know
>>> the outrage
>>> expressed by you and some people. When I flew, my cane was taken
>>> to be
>>> x-rayed and then returned. Once in the plane, I folded it and
>>> nothing was
>>> said but I flew with a sighted person. Still I have not heard
>>> the problems
>>> from other blind flyers expressed here. Security is a pain, but
>>> it’s a pain
>>> for anyone. I'm with you though; I will avoid flying if at all
>>> possible. As
>>> Peter said, you could also charter a plane and prevent the
>>> intrusive
>>> security screening.
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Beth
>>> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 3:29 PM
>>> To: nimerjaber1 at gmail.com ; National Association of Blind
>>> Students mailing
>>> list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks
>>>
>>> Btw, I converted to Ilam last year. I don't appreciate anybody
>>> trying to group all Terrorists into the Muslim category. Barack
>>> Obama said once that Al Qaida slaughtered millions of Muslims. I
>>> have a friend whose Musloim son in the millitary went to Iraq god
>>> knows how many times.
>>> My cousin was a vet, and my roommate retired before she did any
>>> tours of duty. I'm surrounded by vets, but there are Muslim
>>> veterans, and no, as far as I know, I'm not flying anymore.
>>> The reason is that I don't want my cane taken away, and I don't
>>> want to be hauled in a wheelchair into the plane. I don't want
>>> my hijab removed because I am not going to let men get their
>>> boots wet over my hair. Thanks.
>>> Beth
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 12:30:27 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks
>>>
>>> You people don't understand, do you? I don't agree with blind
>>> people's
>>> canes being taken away and all the rest of the stuff that's been
>>> happening, although I have to say that for about five years now I
>>> have
>>> had no problems at all traveling, and I do it pretty often. I
>>> know
>>> there are issues. But what you people don't understand is, it's
>>> the
>>> difference between having the right to be independent and travel
>>> with
>>> a cane and not having the right at all. If we left our nation
>>> vulnerable to attack, some group (whether it be Muslims or some
>>> other
>>> group in the future) who are hell-bent on the US' distruction
>>> will
>>> attack and if we're not ready, everything the United States has
>>> done,
>>> everything that over 200 years of soldiers fought for will just
>>> be
>>> taken away. I'm shocked too as all this anti-american rhetoric
>>> but I
>>> can't be too surprised with a liberal media and liberal college
>>> professors ... Either way, everyone's got their own opinions ...
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> On 12.09.2011, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
>>> Hello Joshua and everyone,
>>>
>>> Yes. Keep in mind however that these are not scheduled flights
>>> like the
>>> airlines. As air charter clients have needs to fly to your area
>>> that will
>>> determine the availability of flights to where you need to go
>>> being offered.
>>>
>>> Peter Donahue
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 10:39 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks
>>>
>>>
>>> Do they have services, in Arkansas?
>>> Thanks, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 9/12/11, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
>>> Hello Vejas and everyone,
>>>
>>> Private air travel holds another alternative to using the
>>> airlines. There
>>> are a number of private air charter services that sell you seats
>>> on
>>> chartered aircraft at about the cost of an airline ticket. As
>>> the
>>> situation
>>> with the airlines degrades even further these services are
>>> expected to
>>> grow
>>> changing how we fly in the future. From having talked to a
>>> number of
>>> private
>>> air charter companies and air charter brokers it's very possible
>>> that we
>>> could find ourselves receiving better treatment by these
>>> services compared
>>> to that we've received from the airlines over the years.
>>> For starters the vast majority of air charter company Web
>>> Sites are
>>> very accessible with screen reading software and are easy to
>>> navigate. A
>>> recent entry in to the world of per-seat private air travel
>>> ventures is:
>>> http://www.socialflights.com
>>>
>>> While you need to get by a captcha in the signup process
>>> their Web
>>> site
>>> is very accessible and contains lots of information about this
>>> company.
>>> It's
>>> heavily integrated with Facebook so you'll need to have a
>>> Facebook Account
>>> and will need to be logged in before registering and logging in
>>> to Social
>>> Flights. Check them out and let's take air travel by the blind
>>> to a higher
>>> level!
>>>
>>> Peter Donahue
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "vejas" <brlsurfer at gmail.com
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 9:01 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks
>>>
>>>
>>> Although independence is important, I still think our safety is
>>> more important. Hopefully over the years, the airport people
>>> will eventually understand our situation and not take away our
>>> canes. And we can do something about it being the confident NFB
>>> travelers we are.
>>> Vejas
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
>>> list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 05:44:39 -0600
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks
>>>
>>> I understand that safety and security are an issue. But after
>>> 9/11, airlines I think have been treating uss mercilessly bad.
>>> With no mercy, airlines have taken canes away, dug into babies'
>>> bottles, taken diapers off, and so many other violations of
>>> people's privacy. I went to Florida with my hijab on and I had
>>> to have somebody pat me down. No thrills, but still. I don't
>>> particularly like the security checkpoints because of how they
>>> might think of a blind person, somebody who is not WASP (white
>>> Anlgo Saxon Protestant.) After 9/11, some things weren't so
>>> good, such as thhe airline security. Even after that stupid guy
>>> put a bomb in his underwear, there were more security issues.
>>> I'm probably not flying back to Florida after what my parents
>>> did, which was get a security pass without boarding a plane, to
>>> make sure I got home. The airlines have always been a source of
>>> contempt for all of us, so let's think not only about the people
>>> who died, but the repercussions that followed.
>>> Beth
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:54:50 -0400
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks
>>>
>>> Thanks Josh,
>>> I think we should take time to reflect on the tragedy and also
>>> be
>>> active.
>>> Vote for whom you believe will
>>> make our country safe and secure. You're right that safety and
>>> security is
>>> an issue as we students head back to campus. Actually, I'm not
>>> a
>>> student
>>> this semester, but will go back for continuing education next
>>> semester at
>>> nova, community college.
>>>
>>> I'd suggest you get aquainted with your school's safety/police
>>> office if you
>>> haven't already; know where it is, know what their number is,
>>> and
>>> meet an officer or two. Some schools like mine, marymount
>>> university, just
>>> had security officers.
>>> Know how to reach them as well. If you feel unsafe, walk with
>>> friends back
>>> to your dorm or call a security escort. Many schools offer such
>>> a
>>> service.
>>> At least at MU, after 12 midnight, you had to show an ID to
>>> enter
>>> the dorm;
>>> this is a good thing. And also lock your dorm room, especially
>>> at
>>> night.
>>> If there is a threat or natural disaster, I'd leave fast. Go to
>>> a
>>> friend's
>>> home, family if they're in the area, or a hotel. Just go
>>> somewhere safe.
>>> Safety is a big priority.
>>>
>>> Okay, that's my tips for now.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 3:33 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks
>>>
>>> Ashley:
>>> Great post!
>>> This has everything to do, with this list, because many blind
>>> students, are probably heading back to college, after being on
>>> vacation.
>>> This security issue is important.
>>> May God bless America.
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 9/11/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> We all have varying views on how to address safety and
>>> security.
>>> But
>>> somehow, some way, those terrorists got through.
>>> We were attacked a decade ago.
>>> I was finishing a class in high school when I heard the news.
>>> School was
>>> closed the next day. Our school had an assembly where the
>>> choir,
>>> band, and
>>> other groups performed to commemorate 9/11.
>>> I hope that we all take a moment to reflect on it. I will be
>>> praying for
>>> our
>>> country and everyone? safety/security on the anniversary.
>>> I? a Christian so I have faith that we will grow stronger as a
>>> nation. If
>>> you had a loved one impacted by the attack, I hope you
>>> recovered
>>> somewhat
>>> from the tragedy.
>>>
>>> Some pray in churches, others are going to public memorials
>>> today and
>>> still
>>> others will do volunteer service to serve the country. If you
>>> are doing
>>> anything different or special, I hope it goes well for you.
>>>
>>> Take care.
>>> Ashley
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