[nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks
Chris Nusbaum
dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
Wed Sep 14 20:49:34 UTC 2011
Great idea! I'll be happy to create it!
Chris Nusbaum
"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists. If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National
Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.)
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----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: nimerjaber1 at gmail.com, National Association of Blind Students
mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 09:46:38 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks
I think we need a separate list, for us to discuss political
issues,
and how they affect us as blind individuals.
Blessings, Joshua
On 9/13/11, Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com> wrote:
*snort*. Anyway ...
On 13.09.2011, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
wrote:
I hate to veer off the given topic, somewhat, but I want to say
something about Nimer Jaber's points.
#1. Bill ORiley, isn't anyone's puppet.
He's endependent.
#2. Fox News isn't run by a Republican machine, because both
sides of
the aisle, are fairly represented, which makes Fox News the most
trusted name in news.
The ratings prove it!
Fox News is #1, while MSNBC, (which I call, MSLSD,) is dead
last.
That ought to tell you something.
Blessings, Joshua
On 9/12/11, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Ashley,
I know there used to be a lot of problems, especially in the
70's
and early 80's, with airlines taking our canes away when we get
on the plane. There were a couple NFB songs written about this,
and I wish I could remember the line from "Daring Young Man on
the Flying Trapeze" about airlines taking blind people's canes,
but unfortunately I can't, nor can I find my song book at the
moment. All I remember is "But we say our white canes will
stay." The Federation sued United Airlines about this in the
late
70's (I'm not sure of the year) and won. I didn't know,
however,
that we were having these problems. If we really are, and some
people are just overreacting to the fact that the TSA security
agents (who, by the way, aren't employed by the airlines, but
are
government employees) X-ray your canes, I'd suggest to file a
complaint with the airline, talk to the NFB, or both. However,
it's a security measure to X-ray canes, and being the
independent
travelers we are, I don't think we should have a problem with
that. Before I was independent enough to do this on my own, I
would ask the TSA agent to do sighted guide with me (after
showing them the correct technique, of course) to the other side
of the little X-ray area, then hand the cane out to me when they
were done scanning it. Now, they take the cane, and I
independently go to the other side of the little area, find the
tile, and wait for the cane. Just my two cents!
Chris
Chris Nusbaum
"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists. If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National
Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.)
Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at:
www.icanfoundation.info for
information on our foundation and how it helps blind and
visually
impaired children in MD say "I can!"
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 16:01:14 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks
Beth,
What nationality are you? So you follow Islam. I know several
Muslims and if
we stay away from religion, we are okay.
Why did the airport people take your cane? I really don't know
the outrage
expressed by you and some people. When I flew, my cane was
taken
to be
x-rayed and then returned. Once in the plane, I folded it and
nothing was
said but I flew with a sighted person. Still I have not heard
the problems
from other blind flyers expressed here. Security is a pain,
but
it’s a pain
for anyone. I'm with you though; I will avoid flying if at all
possible. As
Peter said, you could also charter a plane and prevent the
intrusive
security screening.
Ashley
-----Original Message-----
From: Beth
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 3:29 PM
To: nimerjaber1 at gmail.com ; National Association of Blind
Students mailing
list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks
Btw, I converted to Ilam last year. I don't appreciate anybody
trying to group all Terrorists into the Muslim category. Barack
Obama said once that Al Qaida slaughtered millions of Muslims.
I
have a friend whose Musloim son in the millitary went to Iraq
god
knows how many times.
My cousin was a vet, and my roommate retired before she did any
tours of duty. I'm surrounded by vets, but there are Muslim
veterans, and no, as far as I know, I'm not flying anymore.
The reason is that I don't want my cane taken away, and I don't
want to be hauled in a wheelchair into the plane. I don't want
my hijab removed because I am not going to let men get their
boots wet over my hair. Thanks.
Beth
----- Original Message -----
From: Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com
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Date sent: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 12:30:27 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks
You people don't understand, do you? I don't agree with blind
people's
canes being taken away and all the rest of the stuff that's been
happening, although I have to say that for about five years now
I
have
had no problems at all traveling, and I do it pretty often. I
know
there are issues. But what you people don't understand is, it's
the
difference between having the right to be independent and travel
with
a cane and not having the right at all. If we left our nation
vulnerable to attack, some group (whether it be Muslims or some
other
group in the future) who are hell-bent on the US' distruction
will
attack and if we're not ready, everything the United States has
done,
everything that over 200 years of soldiers fought for will just
be
taken away. I'm shocked too as all this anti-american rhetoric
but I
can't be too surprised with a liberal media and liberal college
professors ... Either way, everyone's got their own opinions
..
Thanks.
On 12.09.2011, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
Hello Joshua and everyone,
Yes. Keep in mind however that these are not scheduled flights
like the
airlines. As air charter clients have needs to fly to your area
that will
determine the availability of flights to where you need to go
being offered.
Peter Donahue
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
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Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks
Do they have services, in Arkansas?
Thanks, Joshua
On 9/12/11, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
Hello Vejas and everyone,
Private air travel holds another alternative to using the
airlines. There
are a number of private air charter services that sell you seats
on
chartered aircraft at about the cost of an airline ticket. As
the
situation
with the airlines degrades even further these services are
expected to
grow
changing how we fly in the future. From having talked to a
number of
private
air charter companies and air charter brokers it's very possible
that we
could find ourselves receiving better treatment by these
services compared
to that we've received from the airlines over the years.
For starters the vast majority of air charter company Web
Sites are
very accessible with screen reading software and are easy to
navigate. A
recent entry in to the world of per-seat private air travel
ventures is:
http://www.socialflights.com
While you need to get by a captcha in the signup process
their Web
site
is very accessible and contains lots of information about this
company.
It's
heavily integrated with Facebook so you'll need to have a
Facebook Account
and will need to be logged in before registering and logging in
to Social
Flights. Check them out and let's take air travel by the blind
to a higher
level!
Peter Donahue
----- Original Message -----
From: "vejas" <brlsurfer at gmail.com
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<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 9:01 AM
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Although independence is important, I still think our safety is
more important. Hopefully over the years, the airport people
will eventually understand our situation and not take away our
canes. And we can do something about it being the confident NFB
travelers we are.
Vejas
----- Original Message -----
From: Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 05:44:39 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks
I understand that safety and security are an issue. But after
9/11, airlines I think have been treating uss mercilessly bad.
With no mercy, airlines have taken canes away, dug into babies'
bottles, taken diapers off, and so many other violations of
people's privacy. I went to Florida with my hijab on and I had
to have somebody pat me down. No thrills, but still. I don't
particularly like the security checkpoints because of how they
might think of a blind person, somebody who is not WASP (white
Anlgo Saxon Protestant.) After 9/11, some things weren't so
good, such as thhe airline security. Even after that stupid guy
put a bomb in his underwear, there were more security issues.
I'm probably not flying back to Florida after what my parents
did, which was get a security pass without boarding a plane, to
make sure I got home. The airlines have always been a source of
contempt for all of us, so let's think not only about the people
who died, but the repercussions that followed.
Beth
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
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Date sent: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:54:50 -0400
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Thanks Josh,
I think we should take time to reflect on the tragedy and also
be
active.
Vote for whom you believe will
make our country safe and secure. You're right that safety and
security is
an issue as we students head back to campus. Actually, I'm not
a
student
this semester, but will go back for continuing education next
semester at
nova, community college.
I'd suggest you get aquainted with your school's safety/police
office if you
haven't already; know where it is, know what their number is,
and
meet an officer or two. Some schools like mine, marymount
university, just
had security officers.
Know how to reach them as well. If you feel unsafe, walk with
friends back
to your dorm or call a security escort. Many schools offer such
a
service.
At least at MU, after 12 midnight, you had to show an ID to
enter
the dorm;
this is a good thing. And also lock your dorm room, especially
at
night.
If there is a threat or natural disaster, I'd leave fast. Go to
a
friend's
home, family if they're in the area, or a hotel. Just go
somewhere safe.
Safety is a big priority.
Okay, that's my tips for now.
-----Original Message-----
From: Joshua Lester
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 3:33 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks
Ashley:
Great post!
This has everything to do, with this list, because many blind
students, are probably heading back to college, after being on
vacation.
This security issue is important.
May God bless America.
Blessings, Joshua
On 9/11/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
Hi all,
We all have varying views on how to address safety and
security.
But
somehow, some way, those terrorists got through.
We were attacked a decade ago.
I was finishing a class in high school when I heard the news.
School was
closed the next day. Our school had an assembly where the
choir,
band, and
other groups performed to commemorate 9/11.
I hope that we all take a moment to reflect on it. I will be
praying for
our
country and everyone? safety/security on the anniversary.
I? a Christian so I have faith that we will grow stronger as a
nation. If
you had a loved one impacted by the attack, I hope you
recovered
somewhat
from the tragedy.
Some pray in churches, others are going to public memorials
today and
still
others will do volunteer service to serve the country. If you
are doing
anything different or special, I hope it goes well for you.
Take care.
Ashley
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