From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Sun Apr 1 07:08:54 2012 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 00:08:54 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Freedom Scientific Releases New and Improved OCR Recognition Software for JAWS and OpenBook, @ FreedomScientific News March 30 2012 Message-ID: From: @ Freedom Scientific News [mailto:freedomscientificnews at freedomscientific.com] Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 2:35 PM EDT To: Humberto Avila [mailto:avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com] Subject: Freedom Scientific Releases New and Improved OCR Recognition Software for JAWS and OpenBook Having trouble viewing this email? Click here to view in a browser. For Immediate Release: Freedom Scientific Releases New and Improved OCR Recognition Software for JAWS and OpenBook Today, Freedom Scientific, one of the world’s leading screen reading and blindness product makers, has just recently developed and released a new breakthrough in its line of products of assistive technology for blind and visually impaired computer users. Have you ever wanted to take OpenBook® with you at all times anywhere you can possibly go with it? Or even better, have you always wanted to be able to pick up a handwritten note on a piece of paper and be able to read it instantly just like anybody else? Or maybe you are one of those frustrated students that are inundated with printed or handwritten material that you can’t read in or out of a classroom setting and you have to wait even hours or days for somebody to read to you. Maybe you are at a conference, you are given a business card or a simple handout that is important, and you need to fill out or read along? Well, wish and wonder no more! Freedom Scientific now has the solution! Due to popular demand, and numerous emails and feedback requests from our users, Freedom Scientific has decided to step forward. We have released a new, updated, and improved OCR recognition engine for both, our Openbook® and JAWS® products. This bran new release includes many new features, which include, but not limited to: * The ability to recognize smaller type font and better recognition of columns in sophisticated tables, which can easily be confusing to read. * The ability to recognize print on smaller pieces of print paper, such as note slips or contact cards on the spot, with better print focus and not the scanner bed or camera. * Finally, the ability to recognize handwriting with about 85-90% accuracy! Yes, that’s right! Our new OCR engine has built-in support for handwriting recognition. That means that you can either scan or place a handwritten note from a co-worker, a spouse, or from a door, into your camera or scanner of your choice, and Openbook® will automatically recognize it and be able to read it with speech and / or Braille output from your preferred synthesizer or Braille display! Not only this. You can open a .pdf, .jpg, or .png image that someone sent you with handwriting over the email on your computer, perform the OCR recognition command (JAWS 13 and later only), and bingo! You will hear the handwriting being spoken out to you or sent to your Braille display. Please note that these new features offered by this improved version of the OCR engine for JAWS® or OpenBook® software are only compatible with Openbook versions later than 8.0 and JAWS version 13.0 or later. Please note users of JAWS earlier than 13.0, we will release a version of the new OCR engine that we released with JAWS 13.0 later this month, with the same features as the ones offered now, so you aren’t left out on these new features! This update to the OCR engine can work with both 32- and 64-bit operating systems. Want some even more awesome news from our OpenBook® development team? We have released OpenBook Mobile®, a scanning and reading solution app for your iOS device! This means that you can use our popular scanning and reading solution right from your iPhone, iPad or iPod Touch, using VoiceOver and the camera of your device! Yes, that’s right, OpenBook® is going mobile, and you will be able to take it anywhere you go that you find printed material that you cannot read. You will be able to go on a trip, be given an airport boarding pass, and you will no longer need sighted assistance to see whether your plane was gone before you knew it, or to see your flight information. You will be able to go to a church service and be able to access printed booklets of hymns or group prayers easily and independently without requesting sighted help. Even more fantastic, you will be able to walk into a classroom door that appears to have no one waiting with you, bump into a little sticky note with your finger below or above the Braille marking of the classroom number, and not have to wait so many hours and precious study time trying to find out if the instructor canceled the class or whatever other scheduling conflict that might have occurred with that instructor. If you have an iPhone, iPod Touch or iPad, you will get it out, snap a photo of that little sticky note, and you will be able to find out what’s wrong quickly, independently and immediately with the built-in handwriting recognition of the OCR engine for OpenBook Mobile®! It’s so easy! Currently, OpenBook Mobile® for iOS platforms is available at the Apple iTunes store and it costs $2.99. This app is designed to fit any budget. So, what are you waiting for? Purchase your OpenBook Mobile® app for your iPhone / iPod / iPad now, and let your future shine today! The power of technology and handwriting is in your hands, like never before! If you have any questions regarding these two new initiatives, don’t hesitate to give us a call at 1-800-444-4443 or e-mail us at support at freedomScientific.com. We would like to hear from you and your feedback! Sincerely, The Freedom Scientific Team ************** P.S. April Fools! ☺ ☺ :))) From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Apr 1 17:39:21 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 13:39:21 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Freedom Scientific Releases New and Improved OCRRecognition Software for JAWS and OpenBook, @ FreedomScientific News March 30 2012 Message-ID: <4f7892e2.543be00a.1705.2aa4@mx.google.com> The=20mobile=20app=20and=20handwriting=20support=20would=20be=20really=20aw= esome!=20 It's=20the=20KNFB=20Reader,=20but=20on=20iOS=20devices;=20in=20other=20word= s,=20you=20 don't=20have=20to=20get=20a=20special=20phone=20to=20work=20it.=20=20Ray=20= (on=20the=20NFB=20 Talk=20list,)=20this=20might=20solve=20your=20problem=20with=20the=20docume= nts=20you=20 would=20need=20for=20jury=20duty!=20Oh=20wait...=20=20it's=20a=20joke!!=20R= eally,=20FS?=20 April=20fools?=20Now,=20let's=20see=20how=20many=20people=20call=20them;=20= after=20all,=20 they=20said=20to=20call=20them=20if=20we=20had=20any=20questions=20about=20= their=20 so-called=20development.=20=20I=20was=20excited=20about=20that=20app=20and= =20was=20 going=20to=20download=20it=20on=20my=20iTouch=20today!=20Darn!!=20Maybe=20D= avid=20 Dunphy=20was=20right=20when=20he=20called=20them=20Freedom=20Science=20Fict= ion!=20 (Grin!) Chris=20Nusbaum "For=20we=20walk=20by=20faith,=20not=20by=20sight." 2=20Corinthians=205:7 Sent=20from=20my=20BrailleNote -----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20"Humberto=20Avila"=20,=20,=20 ,,=20,=20 =20=20here=20to=20view=20in=20a=20= browser. For=20Immediate=20Release: Freedom=20Scientific=20Releases=20New=20and=20Improved=20OCR=20Recognition= =20 Software=20for=20JAWS=20and=20OpenBook Today,=20Freedom=20Scientific,=20one=20of=20the=20world=E2=80=99s=20leading= =20screen=20 reading=20and=20blindness=20product=20makers,=20has=20just=20recently=20dev= eloped=20 and=20released=20a=20new=20breakthrough=20in=20its=20line=20of=20products=20= of=20 assistive=20technology=20for=20blind=20and=20visually=20impaired=20computer= =20 users. Have=20you=20ever=20wanted=20to=20take=20OpenBook=C2=AE=20with=20you=20at=20= all=20times=20 anywhere=20you=20can=20possibly=20go=20with=20it?=20Or=20even=20better,=20h= ave=20you=20 always=20wanted=20to=20be=20able=20to=20pick=20up=20a=20handwritten=20note= =20on=20a=20piece=20 of=20paper=20and=20be=20able=20to=20read=20it=20instantly=20just=20like=20a= nybody=20else?=20 Or=20maybe=20you=20are=20one=20of=20those=20frustrated=20students=20that=20= are=20 inundated=20with=20printed=20or=20handwritten=20material=20that=20you=20can= =E2=80=99t=20 read=20in=20or=20out=20of=20a=20classroom=20setting=20and=20you=20have=20to= =20wait=20even=20 hours=20or=20days=20for=20somebody=20to=20read=20to=20you.=20=20Maybe=20you= =20are=20at=20a=20 conference,=20you=20are=20given=20a=20business=20card=20or=20a=20simple=20h= andout=20 that=20is=20important,=20and=20you=20need=20to=20fill=20out=20or=20read=20a= long? Well,=20wish=20and=20wonder=20no=20more!=20Freedom=20Scientific=20now=20has= =20the=20 solution! Due=20to=20popular=20demand,=20and=20numerous=20emails=20and=20feedback=20r= equests=20 from=20our=20users,=20Freedom=20Scientific=20has=20decided=20to=20step=20fo= rward. We=20have=20released=20a=20new,=20updated,=20and=20improved=20OCR=20recogni= tion=20 engine=20for=20both,=20our=20Openbook=C2=AE=20and=20JAWS=C2=AE=20products.= =20=20This=20bran=20 new=20release=20includes=20many=20new=20features,=20which=20include,=20but= =20not=20 limited=20to: *=09The=20ability=20to=20recognize=20smaller=20type=20font=20and=20better=20= recognition=20of=20columns=20in=20sophisticated=20tables,=20which=20can=20 easily=20be=20confusing=20to=20read. *=09The=20ability=20to=20recognize=20print=20on=20smaller=20pieces=20of=20p= rint=20 paper,=20such=20as=20note=20slips=20or=20contact=20cards=20on=20the=20spot,= =20with=20 better=20print=20focus=20and=20not=20the=20scanner=20bed=20or=20camera. *=09Finally,=20the=20ability=20to=20recognize=20handwriting=20with=20about= =20 85-90%=20accuracy! Yes,=20that=E2=80=99s=20right!=20Our=20new=20OCR=20engine=20has=20built-in= =20support=20for=20 handwriting=20recognition.=20=20That=20means=20that=20you=20can=20either=20= scan=20or=20 place=20a=20handwritten=20note=20from=20a=20co-worker,=20a=20spouse,=20or=20= from=20a=20 door,=20into=20your=20camera=20or=20scanner=20of=20your=20choice,=20and=20O= penbook=C2=AE=20 will=20automatically=20recognize=20it=20and=20be=20able=20to=20read=20it=20= with=20 speech=20and=20/=20or=20Braille=20output=20from=20your=20preferred=20synthe= sizer=20or=20 Braille=20display!=20Not=20only=20this.=20=20You=20can=20open=20a=20.pdf,=20= .jpg,=20or=20 .png=20image=20that=20someone=20sent=20you=20with=20handwriting=20over=20th= e=20email=20 on=20your=20computer,=20perform=20the=20OCR=20recognition=20command=20(JAWS= =2013=20 and=20later=20only),=20and=20bingo!=20You=20will=20hear=20the=20handwriting= =20being=20 spoken=20out=20to=20you=20or=20sent=20to=20your=20Braille=20display.=20=20P= lease=20note=20 that=20these=20new=20features=20offered=20by=20this=20improved=20version=20= of=20the=20 OCR=20engine=20for=20JAWS=C2=AE=20or=20OpenBook=C2=AE=20software=20are=20on= ly=20 compatible=20with=20Openbook=20versions=20later=20than=208.0=20and=20JAWS=20= version=20 13.0=20or=20later.=20=20Please=20note=20users=20of=20JAWS=20earlier=20than= =2013.0,=20we=20 will=20release=20a=20version=20of=20the=20new=20OCR=20engine=20that=20we=20= released=20 with=20JAWS=2013.0=20later=20this=20month,=20with=20the=20same=20features=20= as=20the=20 ones=20offered=20now,=20so=20you=20aren=E2=80=99t=20left=20out=20on=20these= =20new=20features!=20 This=20update=20to=20the=20OCR=20engine=20can=20work=20with=20both=2032-=20= and=2064-bit=20 operating=20systems. Want=20some=20even=20more=20awesome=20news=20from=20our=20OpenBook=C2=AE=20= development=20 team?=20We=20have=20released=20OpenBook=20Mobile=C2=AE,=20a=20scanning=20an= d=20reading=20 solution=20app=20for=20your=20iOS=20device!=20This=20means=20that=20you=20c= an=20use=20our=20 popular=20scanning=20and=20reading=20solution=20right=20from=20your=20iPhon= e,=20 iPad=20or=20iPod=20Touch,=20using=20VoiceOver=20and=20the=20camera=20of=20y= our=20 device!=20Yes,=20that=E2=80=99s=20right,=20OpenBook=C2=AE=20is=20going=20mo= bile,=20and=20you=20 will=20be=20able=20to=20take=20it=20anywhere=20you=20go=20that=20you=20find= =20printed=20 material=20that=20you=20cannot=20read.=20=20You=20will=20be=20able=20to=20g= o=20on=20a=20trip,=20 be=20given=20an=20airport=20boarding=20pass,=20and=20you=20will=20no=20long= er=20need=20 sighted=20assistance=20to=20see=20whether=20your=20plane=20was=20gone=20bef= ore=20you=20 knew=20it,=20or=20to=20see=20your=20flight=20information.=20=20You=20will=20= be=20able=20to=20 go=20to=20a=20church=20service=20and=20be=20able=20to=20access=20printed=20= booklets=20of=20 hymns=20or=20group=20prayers=20easily=20and=20independently=20without=20 requesting=20sighted=20help.=20=20Even=20more=20fantastic,=20you=20will=20b= e=20able=20 to=20walk=20into=20a=20classroom=20door=20that=20appears=20to=20have=20no=20= one=20waiting=20 with=20you,=20bump=20into=20a=20little=20sticky=20note=20with=20your=20fing= er=20below=20 or=20above=20the=20Braille=20marking=20of=20the=20classroom=20number,=20and= =20not=20 have=20to=20wait=20so=20many=20hours=20and=20precious=20study=20time=20tryi= ng=20to=20find=20 out=20if=20the=20instructor=20canceled=20the=20class=20or=20whatever=20othe= r=20 scheduling=20conflict=20that=20might=20have=20occurred=20with=20that=20 instructor.=20=20If=20you=20have=20an=20iPhone,=20iPod=20Touch=20or=20iPad,= =20you=20will=20 get=20it=20out,=20snap=20a=20photo=20of=20that=20little=20sticky=20note,=20= and=20you=20will=20 be=20able=20to=20find=20out=20what=E2=80=99s=20wrong=20quickly,=20independe= ntly=20=20and=20 immediately=20with=20the=20built-in=20handwriting=20recognition=20of=20the= =20OCR=20 engine=20for=20OpenBook=20Mobile=C2=AE!=20It=E2=80=99s=20so=20easy! Currently,=20OpenBook=20Mobile=C2=AE=20for=20iOS=20platforms=20is=20availab= le=20at=20 the=20Apple=20iTunes=20store=20and=20it=20costs=20$2.99.=20=20This=20app=20= is=20designed=20 to=20fit=20any=20budget.=20=20So,=20what=20are=20you=20waiting=20for?=20Pur= chase=20your=20 OpenBook=20Mobile=C2=AE=20app=20for=20your=20iPhone=20/=20iPod=20/=20iPad=20= now,=20and=20let=20 your=20future=20shine=20today!=20The=20power=20of=20technology=20and=20hand= writing=20 is=20in=20your=20hands,=20like=20never=20before! If=20you=20have=20any=20questions=20regarding=20these=20two=20new=20initiat= ives,=20 don=E2=80=99t=20hesitate=20to=20give=20us=20a=20call=20at=201-800-444-4443= =20or=20e-mail=20us=20 at=20support at freedomScientific.com.=20=20We=20would=20like=20to=20hear=20fr= om=20you=20 and=20your=20feedback! Sincerely, The=20Freedom=20Scientific=20Team=20************** P.S.=20=20April=20Fools!=20=E2=98=BA=20=E2=98=BA=20:))) _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco= unt=20info=20 for=20nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From dandrews at visi.com Sun Apr 1 20:28:37 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 15:28:37 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Careers in assistive technology In-Reply-To: <001501cd0e7a$44c62e10$1400ba43@BRIAN> References: <4f74fd36.81cde00a.7e5a.6836@mx.google.com> <001501cd0e7a$44c62e10$1400ba43@BRIAN> Message-ID: Some states run their own centers in-house, some centers have policies against paying for training out of state etc. Dave At 08:37 AM 3/30/2012, you wrote: > Why won't all states pay for NFB center training just curious. > ----- Original Message ----- From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Apr 1 21:15:21 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 17:15:21 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [Braillenote] Packed with Power: A preview of KeySoft 9.3 forBrailleNote Apex Message-ID: <4f78c581.c8bde00a.1565.3f50@mx.google.com> Not again! ----- From: Joseph Lee Don't tell me that that was really an April fools joke. Huh? Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Nusbaum <001501cd0e7a$44c62e10$1400ba43@BRIAN> Message-ID: If you want to go to an NFB center, and you believe it will help you, contact the NFB center you want to go to, and talk to them. They may be able to work with you, to help you convince your state to pay for it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Andrews" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Careers in assistive technology > Some states run their own centers in-house, some centers have policies > against paying for training out of state etc. > > Dave > > At 08:37 AM 3/30/2012, you wrote: >> Why won't all states pay for NFB center training just curious. ----- >> Original Message ----- > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kramc11%40gmail.com From jeffanel at gmail.com Mon Apr 2 16:34:31 2012 From: jeffanel at gmail.com (jeff crouch) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 12:34:31 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] rezamay Message-ID: Hello Jeff hear, how do you write a rezamay, i need help on how to do it, if somebody could help me out. I am 15, and need it to apply to this camp in michigan. thanks -- 73 kd8qiq jeff crouch From joshkart12 at gmail.com Mon Apr 2 16:45:27 2012 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (josh gregory) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 12:45:27 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] rezamay In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, First off it's resume, with an accent over the E. Second, you'll need to put several things in, your school and work experiences, likes and interests, and achievements and such. However, there are several types of resumes, (I only know of 2 but I'm sure there are more) what you are doing is an entry-level resume, but there is also a skills resume, where you outline your skills/goals that you think will assist you in employment. Hth Josh On 4/2/12, jeff crouch wrote: > Hello Jeff hear, how do you write a rezamay, i need help on how to do > it, if somebody could help me out. > > I am 15, and need it to apply to this camp in michigan. > > thanks > -- > 73 > kd8qiq > jeff crouch > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com > -- Sent via gmail.com Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com Skype: joshgregory93 twitter: JoshG93 From smwhalenpsp at gmail.com Mon Apr 2 17:02:18 2012 From: smwhalenpsp at gmail.com (Sean Whalen) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 13:02:18 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Notes for March Message-ID: Hello, I apologize, but when I initially sent this out on Saturday, I somehow didn't address it to the NABS list, and only to the NABS presidents' list. I'm sorry for the oversight on my part. Please find attached, as well as pasted below, the monthly update for March. Thanks, Sean NABS Notes March 2012 In this edition of NABS’ monthly bulletin: 1. NABS Needs You! 2. Congratulations to Missouri! 3. State Announcements 4. Meeting Minutes NABS Needs You! Are you planning on being in Dallas this July for National Convention? You want to help NABS and meet new people at the same time? We are looking for folks who would be interested in volunteering to assist with a whole host of efforts at convention. So, whatever your talents, get in touch and we would be thrilled to put them to use. We will be needing help with a wide range of tasks from convention planning and fundraising to dealing cards and manning the NABS table in the exhibit hall. If you are interested in helping out, please contact Sean Whalen at 608 332-4147 or nabs.president at gmail.com. Congratulations to Missouri! As of March 29, 2012, NABS has a brand new state student division in the great state of Missouri! Congratulations to the newly elected President, Bethany Bennington. Huge thanks are due to Shirley Grauel for her efforts to rebuild the student group in Missouri and to bring them to this point. Thanks as well to the support of Gary Wunder and the entire MO affiliate. NABS is one step closer to having an affiliate in each of the 50 states. State Announcements Note: All announcements are printed below as they were received from their senders. No effort to edit for content, grammar or clarity has been made on the part of NABS. Delaware: We are selling raffel tickets for a Holland American Cruise for 2 to Mexico or the Caribean for a week. Everything is inclued except port charges and transportation to and from the area where the cruise is taking off from. 1 tickets for $10 and 3 tickets for $25. Drawing will be held April 13 @ 10:pm at a Titanic Dinner. Please contact me at nabs_delawaredivision at yahoo.com if you are interested in purchasing tickets or desire more information. Meeting Minutes National Association of Blind Students Board Meeting Minutes March 18, 2012 Meeting called to order at 8:35 P.M. Members Present: Sean Whalen Karen Anderson Darian Smith Cindy Bennett Shelby Ball Candice Chapman Briley Pollard Domonique Lawless Committee Reports Fundraising: Thank you’s to auction donators are going into the mail tomorrow. The Apple TV raffle will be drawn shortly. We will do a raffle at National Convention with several prizes. We will determine the details of this over the coming weeks and finalize a decision on the April call. Membership: A flyer for the March call is in the works. Exploring topics for next month’s membership call. Slate: Almost ready to publish. Should be out in late March or early April. Website: Contacts continue to be maintained, and the resource list is still in the works. Old Business: Treasury: Checks were mailed to Cindy, BLIND, Inc. Holiday Inn Capitol, Sean. There are still some outstanding checks. New Jersey, Jeff Lucas, National, and Beth Debus. Sean and Shelby will follow up to ensure that outstanding checks are cleared. New Business Rep Requests: Tennessee did not work out. A rep will not go to Mississippi, but Candice will be there. Sean is going to Texas. Cindy might go to Wisconsin. Darian might go to New Mexico. Decisions on WI and NM will be made in the next week. NABS Leadership Seminar: June 1 weekend is the most likely. Affiliate action is interested in assisting with agenda and finding participants. Dr. Maurer has been contacted. NABS Promotional CDROM: A multimedia approach with interviews was proposed instead of the CD just containing documents. The committee will continue to work out the specific approach, and report back to the full board for a decision at the next meeting. As always, please contact Sean Whalen at 608 332-4147 or nabs.president at gmail.com with any questions, comments or suggestions. The NABS board works for you, and we want to know how we are doing! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: NABS Notes March 2012.doc Type: application/msword Size: 34816 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Mon Apr 2 19:44:37 2012 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 12:44:37 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] rezamay References: Message-ID: Jeff, Although this list is a good place to ask about where to find help writing a resume, it is not the place to get actual instructions. You need to talk to your parents and/or teachers at your school, especially someone who is familiar with the program for which you need to write a resume. Nicole ----- Original Message ----- From: "josh gregory" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] rezamay > Hi, > > First off it's resume, with an accent over the E. Second, you'll need > to put several things in, your school and work experiences, likes and > interests, and achievements and such. > However, there are several types of resumes, (I only know of 2 but > I'm sure there are more) what you are doing is an entry-level resume, > but there is also a skills resume, where you outline your skills/goals > that you think will assist you in employment. > Hth > Josh > > On 4/2/12, jeff crouch wrote: >> Hello Jeff hear, how do you write a rezamay, i need help on how to do >> it, if somebody could help me out. >> >> I am 15, and need it to apply to this camp in michigan. >> >> thanks >> -- >> 73 >> kd8qiq >> jeff crouch >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Sent via gmail.com > Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com > Skype: joshgregory93 > twitter: JoshG93 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com From jeffanel at gmail.com Mon Apr 2 20:06:58 2012 From: jeffanel at gmail.com (jeff crouch) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 16:06:58 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] rezamay In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: okay On 4/2/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: > Jeff, > > Although this list is a good place to ask about where to find help > writing a resume, it is not the place to get actual instructions. You need > to talk to your parents and/or teachers at your school, especially someone > who is familiar with the program for which you need to write a resume. > > Nicole > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "josh gregory" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 9:45 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] rezamay > > >> Hi, >> >> First off it's resume, with an accent over the E. Second, you'll need >> to put several things in, your school and work experiences, likes and >> interests, and achievements and such. >> However, there are several types of resumes, (I only know of 2 but >> I'm sure there are more) what you are doing is an entry-level resume, >> but there is also a skills resume, where you outline your skills/goals >> that you think will assist you in employment. >> Hth >> Josh >> >> On 4/2/12, jeff crouch wrote: >>> Hello Jeff hear, how do you write a rezamay, i need help on how to do >>> it, if somebody could help me out. >>> >>> I am 15, and need it to apply to this camp in michigan. >>> >>> thanks >>> -- >>> 73 >>> kd8qiq >>> jeff crouch >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Sent via gmail.com >> Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com >> Skype: joshgregory93 >> twitter: JoshG93 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jeffanel%40gmail.com > -- 73 kd8qiq jeff crouch From smwhalenpsp at gmail.com Mon Apr 2 21:41:42 2012 From: smwhalenpsp at gmail.com (Sean Whalen) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 17:41:42 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: NFB Computer Science Division Meeting Speaker Invitation In-Reply-To: References: <005601cd0ba9$c5229950$4f67cbf0$@swbell.net> Message-ID: Please find below, as well as attached, a message from the NFB Computer Science Division. They are looking for students in the IT field who would be interested in speaking at their meeting in Dallas in July. Read on for more info. Thanks, Sean ----- If you are coming to the National Federation of the Blind annual convention (http://www.nfb.org/national-convention) which will take place in Dallas Texas from June 30 through July 5 2012, please consider the following speaking opportunity. The National Federation of the Blind in Computer Science is looking for blind students who are studying in the fields related to Information Technology. Whether you are concentrating in the areas of programming, systems analyst, technical support specialist, or network administration, we would like to hear from you. We are interested in hearing about the triumphs and challenges involved in modern education you have experienced because of blindness. What tools have you found to be particularly helpful in your classes and projects, what changes do you foresee which will pose significant challenges for your continued success in your chosen career? What indications do you see which give you hope? We are asking you to give a fifteen minute talk, followed by a 10 minute question and answer period. The National Federation of the Blind's Computer Science Division meeting is scheduled for July 2, 2012 from 1 PM to 5 PM. If you are interested in this speaking opportunity, then we very much want to hear from you. Please contact Louis Maher (ljmaher at swbell.net, 713-444-7838). Thank you. Regards, Louis Maher -- Sean Whalen President, National Association of Blind Students Phone: (608) 332-4147 Email: nabs.president at gmail.com Website: www.nabslink.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: request for speakers who are students in the IT community who are coming to the convention.docx Type: application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document Size: 16204 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ljmaher at swbell.net Mon Apr 2 22:35:58 2012 From: ljmaher at swbell.net (Louis Maher) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 17:35:58 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] National Federation of the Blind in Computer Science Speaking Opportunity Message-ID: <003b01cd1120$fa23ac80$ee6b0580$@swbell.net> Hello, If you are coming to the National Federation of the Blind annual convention (http://www.nfb.org/national-convention) which will take place in Dallas Texas from June 30 through July 5 2012, please consider the following speaking opportunity. The National Federation of the Blind in Computer Science is looking for blind students who are studying in the fields related to Information Technology. Whether you are concentrating in the areas of programming, systems analyst, technical support specialist, or network administration, we would like to hear from you. We are interested in hearing about the triumphs and challenges involved in modern education you have experienced because of blindness. What tools have you found to be particularly helpful in your classes and projects, what changes do you foresee which will pose significant challenges for your continued success in your chosen career? What indications do you see which give you hope? We are asking you to give a fifteen minute talk, followed by a 10 minute question and answer period. The National Federation of the Blind's Computer Science Division meeting is scheduled for July 2, 2012 from 1 PM to 5 PM. If you are interested in this speaking opportunity, then we very much want to hear from you. Please contact Louis Maher (ljmaher at swbell.net, 713-444-7838). Thank you. Regards, Louis Maher From BJLejeune at colled.msstate.edu Wed Apr 4 15:39:40 2012 From: BJLejeune at colled.msstate.edu (B.J. LeJeune) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 10:39:40 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] MSU-RRTC Spring newsletter In-Reply-To: <4f78d0b6.27043c0a.4b30.ffffb890@mx.google.com> References: <4f78d0b6.27043c0a.4b30.ffffb890@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4F7C24EC.06A4.00F0.1@colled.msstate.edu> Spring 2012 Quarterly Connections: News from the MSU-RRTC Linking Blindness and Low Vision Research to Practice NIDRR Transition Project Complete In October 2007, the MSU-RRTC received funding from the National Institute on Disability and Rehabilitation Research (NIDRR) for a project focusing on employment outcomes of transition-age youth with blindness or other visual impairments. The project consisted of four major priorities, involving the following activities: (1) a systematic literature review of interventions and practices leading to employment outcomes for this population; (2) analyses of national databases to explore relationships and identify predictors of employment outcomes; (3) qualitative analyses of data from a variety of sources, such as VR case records, interviews with consumers and counselors, and focus groups with rehabilitation professionals; and (4) development, implementation, and evaluation of two online employment preparation interventions: one for youth in high school and one for youth in college. The project was concluded in December 2011, resulting in the development of multiple publications and products in addition to a large number of presentations at national conferences during the grant period. Read more . . . Current RRTC Research Highlight: Training & Marketing Needs of the Randolph-Sheppard Program MSU-RRTC staff are collaborating with Mr. Terry Smith (expert consultant on Randolph-Sheppard programs) and Mr. Daniel Frye (RSA Randolph-Sheppard Program Specialist) on research and training activities that will result in several product deliverables in support of Randolph-Sheppard programs nationwide, including an accessible, online training curriculum for new and existing state-federal vocational rehabilitation staff working directly with the Randolph-Sheppard program; essential prerequisites for entry into the training program for new facility managers and performance standards for existing facility managers; marketing materials (e.g., brochures, videos) targeting (1) recruitment of transition-age youth who are legally blind and (2) recruitment and retention of individuals who are deafblind; and general informational materials. Read more . . . In the Works: Training and TA Comment ça va? Our Training Coordinator, B. J. LeJeune, was recently invited to present on Persons Aging with Dual Sensory Loss at the Université de Montréal at the 14th Annual Symposium Scientifique sur l'incapacité visuelle et la réadaptation (Scientific Symposium on Visual Disability and Rehabilitation). Read more . . . Successful Job Placement of the Older Blind Consumer The on-line continuing education course, Successful Placement of the Older Blind Consumer, will be getting a new look and a new instructor! Read more . . . Training Opportunities State VR agency training coordinators looking for staff training opportunities can contact B. J. LeJeune at bjlejeune at colled.msstate.edu or 662-325-2694 about the various options MSU-RRTC has to offer. Read more . . . Other RRTC News: Anne Sullivan Macy Scholar Joins MSU-RRTC Staff The MSU-RRTC is pleased to welcome Dr. Li Zhou, our current Anne Sullivan Macy Scholar. This competitive postdoctoral program honors the extraordinary contribution of Anne Sullivan Macy to the educational experience of Helen Keller by supporting the development of a promising scientist-practitioner whose research focuses on blindness and low vision. Read more . . . Employment Mentoring Project Underway The Employment Mentoring Project is now in full swing! This project evaluates the impact of face-to-face mentoring relationships on post-graduation employment outcomes for college students who are legally blind. We are still in great need of participants, especially students. Help us by spreading the word or signing up. Read more . . . Visit the RRTC Website and Participate in our Research! We have been working to develop ways to improve our efficiency for recruiting research participants. One new feature is the “Participate in Our Research” section now located on our website (http://blind.msstate.edu/participate/). This section provides information about how individuals can become involved in current blindness and low vision research at MSU-RRTC. Read more . . . Publications, Presentations, and Miscellanies Publications Recently Archived for Download from Our Website: Cavenaugh, B. & Morse, M. C. (2011). Annotated Bibliography: Interventions Affecting Successful Secondary Transition of Adolescents with Visual Impairments. Mississippi State, Mississippi: Mississippi State University Rehabilitation Research and Training Center on Blindness and Low Vision. Cavenaugh, B., Wolff, H. M, & Belant, M. W. (2011). References: Non-Intervention Research Studies: Factors Affecting Successful Secondary Transition Outcomes of Youth with Visual Impairments. Mississippi State, Mississippi: Mississippi State University Rehabilitation Research and Training Center on Blindness and Low Vision. Crudden, A. (2011). Research Report: Transition to Work: Rehabilitation Counselor Perspectives. Mississippi State, Mississippi: Mississippi State University Rehabilitation Research and Training Center on Blindness and Low Vision. Recent Publications/Publications in Press: McDonnall, M. C. & O'Mally, J. (2012). Characteristics of early work experiences and their association with future employment. Journal of Visual Impairment & Blindness, 106(3), 133-144. Cavenaugh, B. & Giesen, J. M. (in press). Annotated bibliography: A systematic review of transition interventions influencing successful employment outcomes of adolescents with visual impairments. Journal of Visual Impairment & Blindness. Crudden, A. (in press). Transition to employment: Components for success. Journal of Visual Impairment & Blindness. Giesen, J. M., & Cavenaugh, B. (in press). Transition-age youth who are blind in vocational rehabilitation: A new look at competitive outcomes and services. Journal of Visual Impairment & Blindness. For Additional MSU-RRTC News and Activities: Visit our website at http://www.blind.msstate.edu/. This newsletter was supported in part by grant #H133B10022 from the U.S. Department of Education, National Institute on Disability and Rehabilitation Research (NIDRR). Newsletter contents do not represent policies of NIDRR or the Department of Education and viewers should not assume endorsement by the federal government. Please feel free to forward this newsletter to interested parties. To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change your contact information, contact the MSU-RRTC at rrtc at colled.msstate.edu. From BJLejeune at colled.msstate.edu Wed Apr 4 15:53:46 2012 From: BJLejeune at colled.msstate.edu (B.J. LeJeune) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 10:53:46 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] rezamay In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F7C283A020000F00003F31A@mailhost.groupwise.msstate.edu> There are several great web sites with information on writing a high school resume. It is really important to have it formated nicely and to have everything spelled correctly. Check out: http://jobsearch.about.com/od/sampleresume1/a/high-school-resume-examples.htm Here is a sample of a resume with no work experience: http://jobsearch.about.com/library/samples/blhsresume2.htm Essentially you want the following: Your name Address City, State, Zip Phone (Cell/Home) Email Address Objective: To obtain knowledge of the day-to-day work of a business through a part time job, summer internship and/or job shadowing experience. Education: Main St. High School, Philadelphia, PA Selected Courses: Early Childhood Development (2005) - Freshman Year Urban Education (2006) - Sophomore Year Urban Education - Psychology (2006-07) - Junior Year Urban Education - Instructional Internship (2007-08) - Senior Year Dance and Art Electives Interests: Swimming, camping, canoeing References: Give name, address and phone number for 2 or 3 individuals and be sure you let them know ahead of time to expect someone to call. It is great to get an adult to go over it with you. Sometimes there are good things you have done that would be good to include, like being an officer in a club, or feeding someone's pet, that you don't think about. Good Luck! BJ B. J. LeJeune Mississippi State University >>> jeff crouch jeffanel at gmail.com> 4/2/2012 11:34 AM >> ( mailto:jeffanel at gmail.com ) Hello Jeff hear, how do you write a rezamay, i need help on how to do it, if somebody could help me out. I am 15, and need it to apply to this camp in michigan. thanks -- 73 kd8qiq jeff crouch _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bjlejeune%40colled.msstate.edu From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com Wed Apr 4 18:15:02 2012 From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 14:15:02 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A New Audio Sound And A Night Of Great Music On Tonight's Djd Invasion Special Message-ID: Hi Everyone! It's not often that I get to say this, but you get a special treat on Audio Access FM tonight starting at 8 PM eastern! Normally we get the Jukebox with the remarkable DJ Doug and DJ Lissa, and that's a treat in itself! But this evening, since they can't make it, it's The Djd Invasion that will be taking over your computer speakers, complete with pop, rock, country, 80s songs that are rare and maybe not so rare, some of my personal favorites, a brand new audio sound you won't want to miss hearing from these shows, and of course, your interactions! Oh, And one more thing... I have a special double dedication I want to bring to a certain DJ Lissa who broadcasts with my station, but she'll have to be there to get her songs! Getting in touch is easy if you want to chill with us tonight, and hell, it beats American Idol! . You can send aol instant messages and msn messages to interact at audioaccessfm.com hit us up on skype at audio.accessfm tweet us if you'd like, twitter is audioaccessfm Get on the phone and give us a call at 516 324 2314 But no matter how little or much you request or interact, make sure you're there for some of tonight's show, starting from 8 PM eastern and any time after that by going to either http://www.audioaccessfm.com/listen_live.php or if you get any messages about your browser not working with IFrames, use this alternative link: http://www.audioaccessfm.com/broadband.php I hope to see you there, tonight's lineup is going to be Kick Ass especially if you like musical vvariety! See you later! >From David Dunphy From philso1003 at gmail.com Wed Apr 4 20:16:08 2012 From: philso1003 at gmail.com (Philip S) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 16:16:08 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] SPSS seeking beta testers (sign up deadline April 6 this Friday) Message-ID: Hi all, IBM is seeking beta testers to test out SPSS software. Sign up deadline is this Friday April 6. Please see instruction below. This is good opportunity to give IBM feedback on SPSS accessibility. Instructions for applying to participate in the IBM SPSS Statistics Beta Program Dear valued IBM SPSS Statistics customers and partners: We are pleased to invite you to apply to participate in the IBM SPSS Statistics Beta program (Beta program). Over the past several months, we have been working closely with our customers and partners to define requirements for IBM SPSS Statistics. The Beta program gives you the opportunity to preview, test, and provide us feedback on new capabilities we are evaluating for IBM SPSS Statistics. The Beta program is scheduled to begin on May 11, 2012, and will continue for 4 weeks. The Beta program will end on June 8, 2012. Please carefully review the requirements for participation in the Beta program. Note: IBM SPSS Statistics client (including all modules) and server products, as well as IBM SPSS AMOS, are available as a part of the Beta program. We welcome Beta program prospects for any or all of these products. Note: Participation in the Beta program is limited to the first 125 qualified customers and 45 qualified partners who complete all of the application steps below before April 16 at the end of the business day (EOB), and who meet our test plan criteria. Requirements to Participate in the Beta Program 1. Commitment to follow the Beta program timeline and participate in all related events: See Deadlines and Milestones section below for details. All dates and times are tentative. 2. Commitment to accept the Beta Test Agreement by way of the Beta website. 3. Commitment to complete the pre-Beta and post-Beta surveys by way of the Beta website. 4. Commitment to download the Beta software by way of the Beta website. 5. Commitment to provide Beta product feedback (e.g. report defects, enhancement requests, suggestions) by way of the Beta website. Note: The Beta program will be administered entirely by way of the Beta website. All software, surveys, and feedback must be provided electronically by way of the Beta website. Technical support will be available for the Beta program, and can be obtained only by opening a case on the Beta website. Steps to Apply to Participate in the Beta Program 1. If you are willing and able to fulfill all of the Beta program requirements, send an email to storzewski at us.ibm.com before April 6 (EOB) to confirm your interest in participating in the Beta program. 2. We will send you a link to the Beta website and an access key (i.e. code) that will allow you to create a login ID and password for the Beta website. All subsequent access to the Beta website will require you to enter a login ID and password. 3. Accept the Beta Test Agreement by way of the Beta website. 4. Complete the pre-Beta survey by way of the Beta website. Note: Multiple Beta testers from a single customer organization are welcome. However, before responding to this email, please select one point of contact to coordinate the Beta process at your organization (e.g. sign the Beta Test Agreement, complete the pre-Beta and post-Beta surveys, obtain (download) and distribute the software and authorization codes, submit defects and feedback). This person only will have access to the Beta website. Deadlines and Milestones 1. April 6 (EOB): An email must be received confirming your interest in participating in the Beta program. Emails must be sent to storzewski at us.ibm.com. 2. April 10 or earlier: An email containing a link to the Beta website and an access key (i.e. code) to access the site will be sent to Beta program prospects (including only the point of contact at a customer organization). After logging in, you will be directed to a website offering an overview of the Beta software features. This website also includes Download, Library, and Support links that will be inactive until the Beta software becomes available on May 11. 3. April 16 (EOB): All application steps must be complete in order to be considered an eligible Beta program prospect. 4. April 18 or earlier: An email confirming Beta program acceptance will be sent to approved participants. 5. May 10 (9:00-10:00 A.M. U.S. Central Time): Join the live conference to preview new IBM SPSS Statistics Beta capabilities. We will also preview the Beta program process. 6. May 11: The Beta program begins; Beta software is available for download. 7. May 30 (9:00-10:00 A.M. U.S. Central Time): Join the live conference to ask questions and discuss defects and enhancements with IBM SPSS Product Management and Development. 8. June 8 (EOB): The Beta program test period ends; last day to submit issues. 9. June 8: The post-Beta survey period begins. 10. June 15 (EOB): The post-Beta survey must be complete. Note: Participants in the Beta program will not receive a complimentary copy of IBM SPSS Statistics client as in previous years. The terms of the IBM license agreement that accompanies the Beta software requires Beta program participants to discontinue use of the software programs and destroy all copies within 10 days of the end of the Beta program test period (i.e. June 18, 2012). We look forward to your application to participate in the IBM SPSS Statistics Beta program. Thank you. Sincerely, IBM SPSS Statistics Beta team From bschuler45 at gmail.com Thu Apr 5 01:02:04 2012 From: bschuler45 at gmail.com (Ben Schuler) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 21:02:04 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] J.A.W.S. and I.E. 9 not getting along In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001cd12c7$b879e300$296da900$@com> Hey guys, For whatever reason, when I go on any other page than my homepage there are multiple blank lines in between lines of text. (More blanks than should be there.) Even in google, there are more blank lines than there should be in between results. From what I have read on the internet it, it seems that this has something to do with a "buffering problem." But it has only gotten this bad in the last week or so. I have a ton of papers due for school next week, so this is really bad timing to be fixing accessability issues. Any help / possible ideas for fixes would be greatly appreciated. I am running Windows 7 and JAWS 11 with internet explorer 9.0.8112.16421 Thanks, Ben Schuler Bschuler45 at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 1:00 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: nabs-l Digest, Vol 66, Issue 4 Send nabs-l mailing list submissions to nabs-l at nfbnet.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org You can reach the person managing the list at nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of nabs-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. MSU-RRTC Spring newsletter (B.J. LeJeune) 2. Re: rezamay (B.J. LeJeune) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 10:39:40 -0500 From: "B.J. LeJeune" To: "list, National Association of Blind Students mailing" Subject: [nabs-l] MSU-RRTC Spring newsletter Message-ID: <4F7C24EC.06A4.00F0.1 at colled.msstate.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Spring 2012 Quarterly Connections: News from the MSU-RRTC Linking Blindness and Low Vision Research to Practice NIDRR Transition Project Complete In October 2007, the MSU-RRTC received funding from the National Institute on Disability and Rehabilitation Research (NIDRR) for a project focusing on employment outcomes of transition-age youth with blindness or other visual impairments. The project consisted of four major priorities, involving the following activities: (1) a systematic literature review of interventions and practices leading to employment outcomes for this population; (2) analyses of national databases to explore relationships and identify predictors of employment outcomes; (3) qualitative analyses of data from a variety of sources, such as VR case records, interviews with consumers and counselors, and focus groups with rehabilitation professionals; and (4) development, implementation, and evaluation of two online employment preparation interventions: one for youth in high school and one for youth in college. The project was concluded in December 2011, resulting in the development of multiple publications and products in addition to a large number of presentations at national conferences during the grant period. Read more . . . Current RRTC Research Highlight: Training & Marketing Needs of the Randolph-Sheppard Program MSU-RRTC staff are collaborating with Mr. Terry Smith (expert consultant on Randolph-Sheppard programs) and Mr. Daniel Frye (RSA Randolph-Sheppard Program Specialist) on research and training activities that will result in several product deliverables in support of Randolph-Sheppard programs nationwide, including an accessible, online training curriculum for new and existing state-federal vocational rehabilitation staff working directly with the Randolph-Sheppard program; essential prerequisites for entry into the training program for new facility managers and performance standards for existing facility managers; marketing materials (e.g., brochures, videos) targeting (1) recruitment of transition-age youth who are legally blind and (2) recruitment and retention of individuals who are deafblind; and general informational materials. Read more . . . In the Works: Training and TA Comment ?a va? Our Training Coordinator, B. J. LeJeune, was recently invited to present on Persons Aging with Dual Sensory Loss at the Universit? de Montr?al at the 14th Annual Symposium Scientifique sur l'incapacit? visuelle et la r?adaptation (Scientific Symposium on Visual Disability and Rehabilitation). Read more . . . Successful Job Placement of the Older Blind Consumer The on-line continuing education course, Successful Placement of the Older Blind Consumer, will be getting a new look and a new instructor! Read more . . . Training Opportunities State VR agency training coordinators looking for staff training opportunities can contact B. J. LeJeune at bjlejeune at colled.msstate.edu or 662-325-2694 about the various options MSU-RRTC has to offer. Read more . . . Other RRTC News: Anne Sullivan Macy Scholar Joins MSU-RRTC Staff The MSU-RRTC is pleased to welcome Dr. Li Zhou, our current Anne Sullivan Macy Scholar. This competitive postdoctoral program honors the extraordinary contribution of Anne Sullivan Macy to the educational experience of Helen Keller by supporting the development of a promising scientist-practitioner whose research focuses on blindness and low vision. Read more . . . Employment Mentoring Project Underway The Employment Mentoring Project is now in full swing! This project evaluates the impact of face-to-face mentoring relationships on post-graduation employment outcomes for college students who are legally blind. We are still in great need of participants, especially students. Help us by spreading the word or signing up. Read more . . . Visit the RRTC Website and Participate in our Research! We have been working to develop ways to improve our efficiency for recruiting research participants. One new feature is the ?Participate in Our Research? section now located on our website (http://blind.msstate.edu/participate/). This section provides information about how individuals can become involved in current blindness and low vision research at MSU-RRTC. Read more . . . Publications, Presentations, and Miscellanies Publications Recently Archived for Download from Our Website: Cavenaugh, B. & Morse, M. C. (2011). Annotated Bibliography: Interventions Affecting Successful Secondary Transition of Adolescents with Visual Impairments. Mississippi State, Mississippi: Mississippi State University Rehabilitation Research and Training Center on Blindness and Low Vision. Cavenaugh, B., Wolff, H. M, & Belant, M. W. (2011). References: Non-Intervention Research Studies: Factors Affecting Successful Secondary Transition Outcomes of Youth with Visual Impairments. Mississippi State, Mississippi: Mississippi State University Rehabilitation Research and Training Center on Blindness and Low Vision. Crudden, A. (2011). Research Report: Transition to Work: Rehabilitation Counselor Perspectives. Mississippi State, Mississippi: Mississippi State University Rehabilitation Research and Training Center on Blindness and Low Vision. Recent Publications/Publications in Press: McDonnall, M. C. & O'Mally, J. (2012). Characteristics of early work experiences and their association with future employment. Journal of Visual Impairment & Blindness, 106(3), 133-144. Cavenaugh, B. & Giesen, J. M. (in press). Annotated bibliography: A systematic review of transition interventions influencing successful employment outcomes of adolescents with visual impairments. Journal of Visual Impairment & Blindness. Crudden, A. (in press). Transition to employment: Components for success. Journal of Visual Impairment & Blindness. Giesen, J. M., & Cavenaugh, B. (in press). Transition-age youth who are blind in vocational rehabilitation: A new look at competitive outcomes and services. Journal of Visual Impairment & Blindness. For Additional MSU-RRTC News and Activities: Visit our website at http://www.blind.msstate.edu/. This newsletter was supported in part by grant #H133B10022 from the U.S. Department of Education, National Institute on Disability and Rehabilitation Research (NIDRR). Newsletter contents do not represent policies of NIDRR or the Department of Education and viewers should not assume endorsement by the federal government. Please feel free to forward this newsletter to interested parties. To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change your contact information, contact the MSU-RRTC at rrtc at colled.msstate.edu. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 10:53:46 -0500 From: "B.J. LeJeune" To: Subject: Re: [nabs-l] rezamay Message-ID: <4F7C283A020000F00003F31A at mailhost.groupwise.msstate.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" There are several great web sites with information on writing a high school resume. It is really important to have it formated nicely and to have everything spelled correctly. Check out: http://jobsearch.about.com/od/sampleresume1/a/high-school-resume-examples.ht m Here is a sample of a resume with no work experience: http://jobsearch.about.com/library/samples/blhsresume2.htm Essentially you want the following: Your name Address City, State, Zip Phone (Cell/Home) Email Address Objective: To obtain knowledge of the day-to-day work of a business through a part time job, summer internship and/or job shadowing experience. Education: Main St. High School, Philadelphia, PA Selected Courses: Early Childhood Development (2005) - Freshman Year Urban Education (2006) - Sophomore Year Urban Education - Psychology (2006-07) - Junior Year Urban Education - Instructional Internship (2007-08) - Senior Year Dance and Art Electives Interests: Swimming, camping, canoeing References: Give name, address and phone number for 2 or 3 individuals and be sure you let them know ahead of time to expect someone to call. It is great to get an adult to go over it with you. Sometimes there are good things you have done that would be good to include, like being an officer in a club, or feeding someone's pet, that you don't think about. Good Luck! BJ B. J. LeJeune Mississippi State University >>> jeff crouch jeffanel at gmail.com> 4/2/2012 11:34 AM >> ( mailto:jeffanel at gmail.com ) Hello Jeff hear, how do you write a rezamay, i need help on how to do it, if somebody could help me out. I am 15, and need it to apply to this camp in michigan. thanks -- 73 kd8qiq jeff crouch _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bjlejeune%40colled.mssta te.edu ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org End of nabs-l Digest, Vol 66, Issue 4 ************************************* From dandrews at visi.com Thu Apr 5 01:25:31 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 20:25:31 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] J.A.W.S. and I.E. 9 not getting along In-Reply-To: <000001cd12c7$b879e300$296da900$@com> References: <000001cd12c7$b879e300$296da900$@com> Message-ID: Let's be accurate -- this is not an accessibility problem, if it is what you say it is, then it is a screen reader problem. Contact Freedom Scientific at support at freedomscientific.com or your dealer. Dave At 08:02 PM 4/4/2012, Ben Schuler wrote: >Hey guys, >For whatever reason, when I go on any other page than my homepage there are >multiple blank lines in between lines of text. (More blanks than should be >there.) > >Even in google, there are more blank lines than there should be in between >results. From what I have read on the internet it, it seems that this has >something to do with a "buffering problem." But it has only gotten this bad >in the last week or so. I have a ton of papers due for school next week, so >this is really bad timing to be fixing accessability issues. Any help / >possible ideas for fixes would be greatly appreciated. > >I am running Windows 7 and JAWS 11 with internet explorer 9.0.8112.16421 > >Thanks, >Ben Schuler >Bschuler45 at gmail.com From chelseap08 at gmail.com Thu Apr 5 01:30:07 2012 From: chelseap08 at gmail.com (Chelsea Page) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 20:30:07 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] J.A.W.S. and I.E. 9 not getting along In-Reply-To: References: <000001cd12c7$b879e300$296da900$@com> Message-ID: <00a401cd12cb$a30b24d0$e9216e70$@gmail.com> Ben, Have you tried cutting JAWS off then cutting it back on? -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Andrews Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 8:26 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: Re: [nabs-l] J.A.W.S. and I.E. 9 not getting along Let's be accurate -- this is not an accessibility problem, if it is what you say it is, then it is a screen reader problem. Contact Freedom Scientific at support at freedomscientific.com or your dealer. Dave At 08:02 PM 4/4/2012, Ben Schuler wrote: >Hey guys, >For whatever reason, when I go on any other page than my homepage there >are multiple blank lines in between lines of text. (More blanks than >should be >there.) > >Even in google, there are more blank lines than there should be in >between results. From what I have read on the internet it, it seems >that this has something to do with a "buffering problem." But it has >only gotten this bad in the last week or so. I have a ton of papers due >for school next week, so this is really bad timing to be fixing >accessability issues. Any help / possible ideas for fixes would be greatly appreciated. > >I am running Windows 7 and JAWS 11 with internet explorer >9.0.8112.16421 > >Thanks, >Ben Schuler >Bschuler45 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/chelseap08%40gmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Thu Apr 5 01:43:49 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 20:43:49 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] J.A.W.S. and I.E. 9 not getting along In-Reply-To: <00a401cd12cb$a30b24d0$e9216e70$@gmail.com> References: <000001cd12c7$b879e300$296da900$@com> <00a401cd12cb$a30b24d0$e9216e70$@gmail.com> Message-ID: It's time to switch to NVDA! I'm tired of Jaws, anyway. When I get my new computer, (a Del,) I'm getting NVDA, and using it. It's free, BTW! Blessings, Joshua On 4/4/12, Chelsea Page wrote: > Ben, > Have you tried cutting JAWS off then cutting it back on? > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of David Andrews > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 8:26 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] J.A.W.S. and I.E. 9 not getting along > > Let's be accurate -- this is not an accessibility problem, if it is what you > say it is, then it is a screen reader problem. Contact Freedom Scientific > at support at freedomscientific.com or your dealer. > > Dave > > At 08:02 PM 4/4/2012, Ben Schuler wrote: >>Hey guys, >>For whatever reason, when I go on any other page than my homepage there >>are multiple blank lines in between lines of text. (More blanks than >>should be >>there.) >> >>Even in google, there are more blank lines than there should be in >>between results. From what I have read on the internet it, it seems >>that this has something to do with a "buffering problem." But it has >>only gotten this bad in the last week or so. I have a ton of papers due >>for school next week, so this is really bad timing to be fixing >>accessability issues. Any help / possible ideas for fixes would be greatly > appreciated. >> >>I am running Windows 7 and JAWS 11 with internet explorer >>9.0.8112.16421 >> >>Thanks, >>Ben Schuler >>Bschuler45 at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/chelseap08%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From arielle71 at gmail.com Thu Apr 5 01:57:54 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 19:57:54 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] J.A.W.S. and I.E. 9 not getting along In-Reply-To: References: <000001cd12c7$b879e300$296da900$@com> <00a401cd12cb$a30b24d0$e9216e70$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I've had the exact same issue. My solution is to use Firefox instead. However I have JAWS 11, so it's possible that newer versions of JAWS work better with IE 9. Arielle On 4/4/12, Joshua Lester wrote: > It's time to switch to NVDA! > I'm tired of Jaws, anyway. > When I get my new computer, (a Del,) I'm getting NVDA, and using it. > It's free, BTW! > Blessings, Joshua > > On 4/4/12, Chelsea Page wrote: >> Ben, >> Have you tried cutting JAWS off then cutting it back on? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of David Andrews >> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 8:26 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] J.A.W.S. and I.E. 9 not getting along >> >> Let's be accurate -- this is not an accessibility problem, if it is what >> you >> say it is, then it is a screen reader problem. Contact Freedom Scientific >> at support at freedomscientific.com or your dealer. >> >> Dave >> >> At 08:02 PM 4/4/2012, Ben Schuler wrote: >>>Hey guys, >>>For whatever reason, when I go on any other page than my homepage there >>>are multiple blank lines in between lines of text. (More blanks than >>>should be >>>there.) >>> >>>Even in google, there are more blank lines than there should be in >>>between results. From what I have read on the internet it, it seems >>>that this has something to do with a "buffering problem." But it has >>>only gotten this bad in the last week or so. I have a ton of papers due >>>for school next week, so this is really bad timing to be fixing >>>accessability issues. Any help / possible ideas for fixes would be greatly >> appreciated. >>> >>>I am running Windows 7 and JAWS 11 with internet explorer >>>9.0.8112.16421 >>> >>>Thanks, >>>Ben Schuler >>>Bschuler45 at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/chelseap08%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Thu Apr 5 02:03:41 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 21:03:41 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] J.A.W.S. and I.E. 9 not getting along In-Reply-To: References: <000001cd12c7$b879e300$296da900$@com> <00a401cd12cb$a30b24d0$e9216e70$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I have an Acer laptop, with Windows Vista, and Jaws 10.0. I also have IE 8. I don't have the problems, that you are having, but I'm still tired of Jaws. I hate Firefox, because it's constantly crashing, like I told you in another thread. It hasn't been doing that as much, but only when I get on a certain Website, that's when it does it. NVDA, here I come! Blessings, Joshua On 4/4/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: > I've had the exact same issue. My solution is to use Firefox instead. > However I have JAWS 11, so it's possible that newer versions of JAWS > work better with IE 9. > Arielle > > On 4/4/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >> It's time to switch to NVDA! >> I'm tired of Jaws, anyway. >> When I get my new computer, (a Del,) I'm getting NVDA, and using it. >> It's free, BTW! >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 4/4/12, Chelsea Page wrote: >>> Ben, >>> Have you tried cutting JAWS off then cutting it back on? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>> Behalf >>> Of David Andrews >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 8:26 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] J.A.W.S. and I.E. 9 not getting along >>> >>> Let's be accurate -- this is not an accessibility problem, if it is what >>> you >>> say it is, then it is a screen reader problem. Contact Freedom >>> Scientific >>> at support at freedomscientific.com or your dealer. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> At 08:02 PM 4/4/2012, Ben Schuler wrote: >>>>Hey guys, >>>>For whatever reason, when I go on any other page than my homepage there >>>>are multiple blank lines in between lines of text. (More blanks than >>>>should be >>>>there.) >>>> >>>>Even in google, there are more blank lines than there should be in >>>>between results. From what I have read on the internet it, it seems >>>>that this has something to do with a "buffering problem." But it has >>>>only gotten this bad in the last week or so. I have a ton of papers due >>>>for school next week, so this is really bad timing to be fixing >>>>accessability issues. Any help / possible ideas for fixes would be >>>> greatly >>> appreciated. >>>> >>>>I am running Windows 7 and JAWS 11 with internet explorer >>>>9.0.8112.16421 >>>> >>>>Thanks, >>>>Ben Schuler >>>>Bschuler45 at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/chelseap08%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Apr 5 02:05:09 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 22:05:09 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] J.A.W.S. and I.E. 9 not getting along In-Reply-To: References: <000001cd12c7$b879e300$296da900$@com><00a401cd12cb$a30b24d0$e9216e70$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <735E7235F5C148498316F9848EF09668@OwnerPC> Excuse me, don't blame jaws too much because it can be a lot more powerful than any free screen reader. you can customize words pronounciation, make place markers, custom label links and graphics online and customize how it reads many things including tables. I think this is a problem with this user's screen reader since I don't notice this problem. I suggest restarting jaws if that is the screen reader you use or whatever one you have. If that doesn't work, restart the computer. Also do a disk cleanup and delete the cookies online. Also calling the vendor of your screen reader is a good idea too. Sometimes I find the internet acts weird with too many temporary internet files and cookes around; so I suggest deleting them by doing a disc cleanup and going into internet settings and deleting this stuff. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 9:43 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] J.A.W.S. and I.E. 9 not getting along It's time to switch to NVDA! I'm tired of Jaws, anyway. When I get my new computer, (a Del,) I'm getting NVDA, and using it. It's free, BTW! Blessings, Joshua On 4/4/12, Chelsea Page wrote: > Ben, > Have you tried cutting JAWS off then cutting it back on? > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of David Andrews > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 8:26 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] J.A.W.S. and I.E. 9 not getting along > > Let's be accurate -- this is not an accessibility problem, if it is what > you > say it is, then it is a screen reader problem. Contact Freedom Scientific > at support at freedomscientific.com or your dealer. > > Dave > > At 08:02 PM 4/4/2012, Ben Schuler wrote: >>Hey guys, >>For whatever reason, when I go on any other page than my homepage there >>are multiple blank lines in between lines of text. (More blanks than >>should be >>there.) >> >>Even in google, there are more blank lines than there should be in >>between results. From what I have read on the internet it, it seems >>that this has something to do with a "buffering problem." But it has >>only gotten this bad in the last week or so. I have a ton of papers due >>for school next week, so this is really bad timing to be fixing >>accessability issues. Any help / possible ideas for fixes would be greatly > appreciated. >> >>I am running Windows 7 and JAWS 11 with internet explorer >>9.0.8112.16421 >> >>Thanks, >>Ben Schuler >>Bschuler45 at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/chelseap08%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Apr 5 02:06:43 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 22:06:43 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] J.A.W.S. and I.E. 9 not getting along In-Reply-To: References: <000001cd12c7$b879e300$296da900$@com><00a401cd12cb$a30b24d0$e9216e70$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <225E2859CF184000A45F3BB3E3FB88C8@OwnerPC> And josh, this issue doesn't have to do with NVDA; bet NVDA has issues too sometimes. In addition to my last suggestions such as calling the company, you might want to update your internet browser if you haven't done so; although I think 9 is the latest version. ' -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 9:43 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] J.A.W.S. and I.E. 9 not getting along It's time to switch to NVDA! I'm tired of Jaws, anyway. When I get my new computer, (a Del,) I'm getting NVDA, and using it. It's free, BTW! Blessings, Joshua On 4/4/12, Chelsea Page wrote: > Ben, > Have you tried cutting JAWS off then cutting it back on? > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of David Andrews > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 8:26 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] J.A.W.S. and I.E. 9 not getting along > > Let's be accurate -- this is not an accessibility problem, if it is what > you > say it is, then it is a screen reader problem. Contact Freedom Scientific > at support at freedomscientific.com or your dealer. > > Dave > > At 08:02 PM 4/4/2012, Ben Schuler wrote: >>Hey guys, >>For whatever reason, when I go on any other page than my homepage there >>are multiple blank lines in between lines of text. (More blanks than >>should be >>there.) >> >>Even in google, there are more blank lines than there should be in >>between results. From what I have read on the internet it, it seems >>that this has something to do with a "buffering problem." But it has >>only gotten this bad in the last week or so. I have a ton of papers due >>for school next week, so this is really bad timing to be fixing >>accessability issues. Any help / possible ideas for fixes would be greatly > appreciated. >> >>I am running Windows 7 and JAWS 11 with internet explorer >>9.0.8112.16421 >> >>Thanks, >>Ben Schuler >>Bschuler45 at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/chelseap08%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From trillian551 at gmail.com Thu Apr 5 02:07:13 2012 From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 22:07:13 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] J.A.W.S. and I.E. 9 not getting along In-Reply-To: References: <000001cd12c7$b879e300$296da900$@com> <00a401cd12cb$a30b24d0$e9216e70$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Ben and all, Arielle is right on point. JAWS 11 was not maid to be 100 percent compatible with windows 7 and the latest version of Internet Explorer. So, for the upcoming papers use Firefox, which I quite frankly prefer to Explorer any day. Also, you should request a JAWS update, JAWS 13 works beautifully with windows 7. In the meantime, firefox is the way to go, unless of course, you need to read pdfs. Mary On 4/4/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: > I've had the exact same issue. My solution is to use Firefox instead. > However I have JAWS 11, so it's possible that newer versions of JAWS > work better with IE 9. > Arielle > > On 4/4/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >> It's time to switch to NVDA! >> I'm tired of Jaws, anyway. >> When I get my new computer, (a Del,) I'm getting NVDA, and using it. >> It's free, BTW! >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 4/4/12, Chelsea Page wrote: >>> Ben, >>> Have you tried cutting JAWS off then cutting it back on? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>> Behalf >>> Of David Andrews >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 8:26 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] J.A.W.S. and I.E. 9 not getting along >>> >>> Let's be accurate -- this is not an accessibility problem, if it is what >>> you >>> say it is, then it is a screen reader problem. Contact Freedom >>> Scientific >>> at support at freedomscientific.com or your dealer. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> At 08:02 PM 4/4/2012, Ben Schuler wrote: >>>>Hey guys, >>>>For whatever reason, when I go on any other page than my homepage there >>>>are multiple blank lines in between lines of text. (More blanks than >>>>should be >>>>there.) >>>> >>>>Even in google, there are more blank lines than there should be in >>>>between results. From what I have read on the internet it, it seems >>>>that this has something to do with a "buffering problem." But it has >>>>only gotten this bad in the last week or so. I have a ton of papers due >>>>for school next week, so this is really bad timing to be fixing >>>>accessability issues. Any help / possible ideas for fixes would be >>>> greatly >>> appreciated. >>>> >>>>I am running Windows 7 and JAWS 11 with internet explorer >>>>9.0.8112.16421 >>>> >>>>Thanks, >>>>Ben Schuler >>>>Bschuler45 at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/chelseap08%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com > -- Mary Fernandez Emory 2012 "Do I dare Disturb the universe? In a minute there is time For decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse." -- T.S. Eliot From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Apr 5 02:08:35 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 22:08:35 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] can't send email using Microsoft Outlook and Gmail account Message-ID: Hi everyone, I'm having a very frustrating problem with Microsoft Outlook 2010. I finally got it set up with my Gmail account and got it to receive emails. For some reason, it thought I was using the trial version of Microsoft Office (and I might well have been,) and wanted me to buy the full version. The funny thing is that I had bought Microsoft Office when I bought my laptop back in 2010. I reentered the product key and reinstalled Office, and Outlook seemed to work. I then told it to receive emails by pressing control m, and that worked. The problem, however, is I can't send, reply, or forward emails. I tried both pressing control n and clicking on "new message" from the home tab on the virtual ribbons. Both of these methods did nothing; when I pressed control n, JAWS just said "control n" and did nothing, and when I clicked on new message from the ribbon, it just stayed in my Inbox. I went into my account settings, and noticed that my SMTP (outgoing mail server) port was set to 587, so I changed it to 465, as this was the port number which worked when I set my BrailleNote up to send and receive emails from my Gmail account, and my BrailleNote uses the same servers (POP and SMTP) to send and receive emails as Outlook. But even after this setting was changed, I still can't send email from my account using Outlook. Very frustrating and weird! Do any of you have any ideas as to how to fix this? I'm using the Gmail Web site to write this email, but I'd love to use Outlook, as I think it works very well and is easy to navigate using JAWS. So, any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Chris -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From amylsabo at comcast.net Thu Apr 5 02:13:05 2012 From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 20:13:05 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] A New Audio Sound And A Night Of Great Music On Tonight's Djd Invasion Special In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001e01cd12d1$a3bbef80$eb33ce80$@comcast.net> Hello david, Thanks as always for posting this announcement to the list. It sounds like a awesome show that you had and, in which I did miss since that time is the dinner hour for me here in Colorado. Thanks again and, I will talk to you soon. Hugs, amy -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Dunphy Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 12:15 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] A New Audio Sound And A Night Of Great Music On Tonight's Djd Invasion Special Hi Everyone! It's not often that I get to say this, but you get a special treat on Audio Access FM tonight starting at 8 PM eastern! Normally we get the Jukebox with the remarkable DJ Doug and DJ Lissa, and that's a treat in itself! But this evening, since they can't make it, it's The Djd Invasion that will be taking over your computer speakers, complete with pop, rock, country, 80s songs that are rare and maybe not so rare, some of my personal favorites, a brand new audio sound you won't want to miss hearing from these shows, and of course, your interactions! Oh, And one more thing... I have a special double dedication I want to bring to a certain DJ Lissa who broadcasts with my station, but she'll have to be there to get her songs! Getting in touch is easy if you want to chill with us tonight, and hell, it beats American Idol! . You can send aol instant messages and msn messages to interact at audioaccessfm.com hit us up on skype at audio.accessfm tweet us if you'd like, twitter is audioaccessfm Get on the phone and give us a call at 516 324 2314 But no matter how little or much you request or interact, make sure you're there for some of tonight's show, starting from 8 PM eastern and any time after that by going to either http://www.audioaccessfm.com/listen_live.php or if you get any messages about your browser not working with IFrames, use this alternative link: http://www.audioaccessfm.com/broadband.php I hope to see you there, tonight's lineup is going to be Kick Ass especially if you like musical variety! See you later! >From David Dunphy _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40comcast.net From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Thu Apr 5 02:14:52 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 21:14:52 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] can't send email using Microsoft Outlook and Gmail account In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wow! I'd contact the Microsoft company. Blessings, Joshua On 4/4/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I'm having a very frustrating problem with Microsoft Outlook 2010. I > finally got it set up with my Gmail account and got it to receive > emails. For some reason, it thought I was using the trial version of > Microsoft Office (and I might well have been,) and wanted me to buy > the full version. The funny thing is that I had bought Microsoft > Office when I bought my laptop back in 2010. I reentered the product > key and reinstalled Office, and Outlook seemed to work. I then told it > to receive emails by pressing control m, and that worked. The problem, > however, is I can't send, reply, or forward emails. I tried both > pressing control n and clicking on "new message" from the home tab on > the virtual ribbons. Both of these methods did nothing; when I pressed > control n, JAWS just said "control n" and did nothing, and when I > clicked on new message from the ribbon, it just stayed in my Inbox. I > went into my account settings, and noticed that my SMTP (outgoing mail > server) port was set to 587, so I changed it to 465, as this was the > port number which worked when I set my BrailleNote up to send and > receive emails from my Gmail account, and my BrailleNote uses the same > servers (POP and SMTP) to send and receive emails as Outlook. But even > after this setting was changed, I still can't send email from my > account using Outlook. Very frustrating and weird! Do any of you have > any ideas as to how to fix this? I'm using the Gmail Web site to write > this email, but I'd love to use Outlook, as I think it works very well > and is easy to navigate using JAWS. So, any help would be greatly > appreciated! > > Thanks, > > Chris > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If > a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can > be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Apr 5 02:13:42 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 22:13:42 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] J.A.W.S. and I.E. 9 not getting along In-Reply-To: References: <000001cd12c7$b879e300$296da900$@com> <00a401cd12cb$a30b24d0$e9216e70$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Mary and everyone, If you need to read PDF's and can't using Firefox, you can just send an email to convert at robobraille.org. In the subject line, type in the file format you want the PDF converted into, for example .doc. Then attach the original PDF file. You should receive an email back within a few minutes of you sending the original one with the converted file attached. It is a very cool and useful service, and I have used it many times and know it works! Hope this helps, Chris On 4/4/12, Mary Fernandez wrote: > Hi Ben and all, > Arielle is right on point. JAWS 11 was not maid to be 100 percent > compatible with windows 7 and the latest version of Internet Explorer. > So, for the upcoming papers use Firefox, which I quite frankly prefer > to Explorer any day. Also, you should request a JAWS update, JAWS 13 > works beautifully with windows 7. In the meantime, firefox is the way > to go, unless of course, you need to read pdfs. > Mary > > On 4/4/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: >> I've had the exact same issue. My solution is to use Firefox instead. >> However I have JAWS 11, so it's possible that newer versions of JAWS >> work better with IE 9. >> Arielle >> >> On 4/4/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> It's time to switch to NVDA! >>> I'm tired of Jaws, anyway. >>> When I get my new computer, (a Del,) I'm getting NVDA, and using it. >>> It's free, BTW! >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 4/4/12, Chelsea Page wrote: >>>> Ben, >>>> Have you tried cutting JAWS off then cutting it back on? >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>> Behalf >>>> Of David Andrews >>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 8:26 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] J.A.W.S. and I.E. 9 not getting along >>>> >>>> Let's be accurate -- this is not an accessibility problem, if it is what >>>> you >>>> say it is, then it is a screen reader problem. Contact Freedom >>>> Scientific >>>> at support at freedomscientific.com or your dealer. >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> At 08:02 PM 4/4/2012, Ben Schuler wrote: >>>>>Hey guys, >>>>>For whatever reason, when I go on any other page than my homepage there >>>>>are multiple blank lines in between lines of text. (More blanks than >>>>>should be >>>>>there.) >>>>> >>>>>Even in google, there are more blank lines than there should be in >>>>>between results. From what I have read on the internet it, it seems >>>>>that this has something to do with a "buffering problem." But it has >>>>>only gotten this bad in the last week or so. I have a ton of papers due >>>>>for school next week, so this is really bad timing to be fixing >>>>>accessability issues. Any help / possible ideas for fixes would be >>>>> greatly >>>> appreciated. >>>>> >>>>>I am running Windows 7 and JAWS 11 with internet explorer >>>>>9.0.8112.16421 >>>>> >>>>>Thanks, >>>>>Ben Schuler >>>>>Bschuler45 at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/chelseap08%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Mary Fernandez > Emory 2012 > "Do I dare > Disturb the universe? > In a minute there is time > For decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse." > -- > T.S. Eliot > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From dreami.eyes at gmail.com Thu Apr 5 02:52:21 2012 From: dreami.eyes at gmail.com (Nell orlowski) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 21:52:21 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] can't send email using Microsoft Outlook and Gmail account In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4f7d08e9.6965b40a.2569.1d56@mx.google.com> I use Microsoft 2007 because I don't like office 2010 -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: April 04, 2012 9:15 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] can't send email using Microsoft Outlook and Gmail account Wow! I'd contact the Microsoft company. Blessings, Joshua On 4/4/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I'm having a very frustrating problem with Microsoft Outlook 2010. I > finally got it set up with my Gmail account and got it to receive > emails. For some reason, it thought I was using the trial version of > Microsoft Office (and I might well have been,) and wanted me to buy > the full version. The funny thing is that I had bought Microsoft > Office when I bought my laptop back in 2010. I reentered the product > key and reinstalled Office, and Outlook seemed to work. I then told it > to receive emails by pressing control m, and that worked. The problem, > however, is I can't send, reply, or forward emails. I tried both > pressing control n and clicking on "new message" from the home tab on > the virtual ribbons. Both of these methods did nothing; when I pressed > control n, JAWS just said "control n" and did nothing, and when I > clicked on new message from the ribbon, it just stayed in my Inbox. I > went into my account settings, and noticed that my SMTP (outgoing mail > server) port was set to 587, so I changed it to 465, as this was the > port number which worked when I set my BrailleNote up to send and > receive emails from my Gmail account, and my BrailleNote uses the same > servers (POP and SMTP) to send and receive emails as Outlook. But even > after this setting was changed, I still can't send email from my > account using Outlook. Very frustrating and weird! Do any of you have > any ideas as to how to fix this? I'm using the Gmail Web site to write > this email, but I'd love to use Outlook, as I think it works very well > and is easy to navigate using JAWS. So, any help would be greatly > appreciated! > > Thanks, > > Chris > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If > a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can > be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p ccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dreami.eyes%40gmail.com From niall.j.gallagher.91 at gmail.com Thu Apr 5 16:32:34 2012 From: niall.j.gallagher.91 at gmail.com (Niall Gallagher) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 17:32:34 +0100 Subject: [nabs-l] Presentation Techniques Message-ID: <42D50AC5-4569-4C1C-B2F5-0719096296A8@gmail.com> Hi Everyone,, I am a 3rd Year college student in Ireland. As part of my studies, I must complete a work placement module A part of this module will involve working with a lecturer. Now, for my question, does anyone have any techniques that they may use for presentations? I have presented in front of a class before, but it has been for a very brief period of time (no more than 10 minutes). These upcoming presentations will be tutorials (in excess of 30 minutes). I would appreciate any suggestions members of this list may have. Kindest regards, Niall. From sjhhirst at gmail.com Thu Apr 5 16:39:37 2012 From: sjhhirst at gmail.com (Stephanie DeLuca) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 11:39:37 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Presentation Techniques In-Reply-To: <42D50AC5-4569-4C1C-B2F5-0719096296A8@gmail.com> References: <42D50AC5-4569-4C1C-B2F5-0719096296A8@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hmm can you give a little more information? What exactly will you be doing? what is your role? Will you be using powerpoint or some other presentation tool? Do you have any vision at all? On Apr 5, 2012, at 11:32 AM, Niall Gallagher wrote: > Hi Everyone,, > > I am a 3rd Year college student in Ireland. > As part of my studies, I must complete a work placement module > A part of this module will involve working with a lecturer. > Now, for my question, does anyone have any techniques that they may use for presentations? > > I have presented in front of a class before, but it has been for a very brief period of time (no more than 10 minutes). > These upcoming presentations will be tutorials (in excess of 30 minutes). > > I would appreciate any suggestions members of this list may have. > > Kindest regards, > > Niall. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Thu Apr 5 17:09:05 2012 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 10:09:05 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Presentation Techniques References: <42D50AC5-4569-4C1C-B2F5-0719096296A8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0AF007EEE0614F16939452FC734891F0@stanford.edu> Do you read Braille? If so, do you have a Braille note taking device? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Niall Gallagher" To: Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 9:32 AM Subject: [nabs-l] Presentation Techniques > Hi Everyone,, > > I am a 3rd Year college student in Ireland. > As part of my studies, I must complete a work placement module > A part of this module will involve working with a lecturer. > Now, for my question, does anyone have any techniques that they may use > for presentations? > > I have presented in front of a class before, but it has been for a very > brief period of time (no more than 10 minutes). > These upcoming presentations will be tutorials (in excess of 30 minutes). > > I would appreciate any suggestions members of this list may have. > > Kindest regards, > > Niall. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com From niall.j.gallagher.91 at gmail.com Thu Apr 5 17:47:22 2012 From: niall.j.gallagher.91 at gmail.com (Niall Gallagher) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 18:47:22 +0100 Subject: [nabs-l] Presentation Techniques In-Reply-To: <0AF007EEE0614F16939452FC734891F0@stanford.edu> References: <42D50AC5-4569-4C1C-B2F5-0719096296A8@gmail.com> <0AF007EEE0614F16939452FC734891F0@stanford.edu> Message-ID: Sorry guys I didn't want to overwhelm with information, but seems I did the opposite :) I am visually impaired but it is to the extent to which I can't see Power Point slides or any presentation aids (flash cards etc). I use the screen reading package JAWS to create the initial presentation slideshow. I expect not to have any screen reading software pre-installed on the computer I will be using in class. I could always use my own laptop, but that would mean changing the configuration of the projector cables the college has setup. The presentation is going to be law based, which I studied last year, but I am unsure of the topic or any additional information about the tutorials. I don't know or use brail, I primarily work with technology. I guess what I'm thinking of is, when there is a slide on the projector screen, that they can see, what could I do in order to prompt or assist myself? Hope this information helps you understand the situation. Kindest regards, Niall. On 5 Apr 2012, at 18:09, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: > Do you read Braille? If so, do you have a Braille note taking device? > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Niall Gallagher" > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 9:32 AM > Subject: [nabs-l] Presentation Techniques > > >> Hi Everyone,, >> >> I am a 3rd Year college student in Ireland. >> As part of my studies, I must complete a work placement module >> A part of this module will involve working with a lecturer. >> Now, for my question, does anyone have any techniques that they may use for presentations? >> >> I have presented in front of a class before, but it has been for a very brief period of time (no more than 10 minutes). >> These upcoming presentations will be tutorials (in excess of 30 minutes). >> >> I would appreciate any suggestions members of this list may have. >> >> Kindest regards, >> >> Niall. >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/niall.j.gallagher.91%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Apr 5 18:06:32 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 14:06:32 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Presentation Techniques In-Reply-To: References: <42D50AC5-4569-4C1C-B2F5-0719096296A8@gmail.com><0AF007EEE0614F16939452FC734891F0@stanford.edu> Message-ID: have someone turn slides for you. have a braille or large print copy of the slide you typed. when you want to turn slides, just cue them to turn it. work from your prepared copy and you'll be fine. -----Original Message----- From: Niall Gallagher Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 1:47 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Presentation Techniques Sorry guys I didn't want to overwhelm with information, but seems I did the opposite :) I am visually impaired but it is to the extent to which I can't see Power Point slides or any presentation aids (flash cards etc). I use the screen reading package JAWS to create the initial presentation slideshow. I expect not to have any screen reading software pre-installed on the computer I will be using in class. I could always use my own laptop, but that would mean changing the configuration of the projector cables the college has setup. The presentation is going to be law based, which I studied last year, but I am unsure of the topic or any additional information about the tutorials. I don't know or use brail, I primarily work with technology. I guess what I'm thinking of is, when there is a slide on the projector screen, that they can see, what could I do in order to prompt or assist myself? Hope this information helps you understand the situation. Kindest regards, Niall. On 5 Apr 2012, at 18:09, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: > Do you read Braille? If so, do you have a Braille note taking device? > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Niall Gallagher" > > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 9:32 AM > Subject: [nabs-l] Presentation Techniques > > >> Hi Everyone,, >> >> I am a 3rd Year college student in Ireland. >> As part of my studies, I must complete a work placement module >> A part of this module will involve working with a lecturer. >> Now, for my question, does anyone have any techniques that they may use >> for presentations? >> >> I have presented in front of a class before, but it has been for a very >> brief period of time (no more than 10 minutes). >> These upcoming presentations will be tutorials (in excess of 30 minutes). >> >> I would appreciate any suggestions members of this list may have. >> >> Kindest regards, >> >> Niall. >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/niall.j.gallagher.91%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From niall.j.gallagher.91 at gmail.com Thu Apr 5 18:19:26 2012 From: niall.j.gallagher.91 at gmail.com (Niall Gallagher) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 19:19:26 +0100 Subject: [nabs-l] Presentation Techniques In-Reply-To: References: <42D50AC5-4569-4C1C-B2F5-0719096296A8@gmail.com> <0AF007EEE0614F16939452FC734891F0@stanford.edu> Message-ID: Thank you for the suggestion of using large print. but my vision is at a level that I cannot see any written materials. I use JAWS on Windows and VoiceOver on Mac. The college use windows and wont have JAWS available. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2012, at 7:06 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: > have someone turn slides for you. have a braille or large print copy of the slide you typed. when you want to turn slides, just cue them to turn it. > work from your prepared copy and you'll be fine. > > -----Original Message----- From: Niall Gallagher > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 1:47 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Presentation Techniques > > Sorry guys I didn't want to overwhelm with information, but seems I did the opposite :) > I am visually impaired but it is to the extent to which I can't see Power Point slides or any presentation aids (flash cards etc). > I use the screen reading package JAWS to create the initial presentation slideshow. > > I expect not to have any screen reading software pre-installed on the computer I will be using in class. > I could always use my own laptop, but that would mean changing the configuration of the projector cables the college has setup. > > The presentation is going to be law based, which I studied last year, but I am unsure of the topic or any additional information about the tutorials. > > I don't know or use brail, I primarily work with technology. > > I guess what I'm thinking of is, when there is a slide on the projector screen, that they can see, what could I do in order to prompt or assist myself? > > Hope this information helps you understand the situation. > > Kindest regards, > > Niall. > On 5 Apr 2012, at 18:09, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: > >> Do you read Braille? If so, do you have a Braille note taking device? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Niall Gallagher" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 9:32 AM >> Subject: [nabs-l] Presentation Techniques >> >> >>> Hi Everyone,, >>> >>> I am a 3rd Year college student in Ireland. >>> As part of my studies, I must complete a work placement module >>> A part of this module will involve working with a lecturer. >>> Now, for my question, does anyone have any techniques that they may use for presentations? >>> >>> I have presented in front of a class before, but it has been for a very brief period of time (no more than 10 minutes). >>> These upcoming presentations will be tutorials (in excess of 30 minutes). >>> >>> I would appreciate any suggestions members of this list may have. >>> >>> Kindest regards, >>> >>> Niall. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/niall.j.gallagher.91%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/niall.j.gallagher.91%40gmail.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Thu Apr 5 18:31:33 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 12:31:33 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Presentation Techniques In-Reply-To: References: <42D50AC5-4569-4C1C-B2F5-0719096296A8@gmail.com> <0AF007EEE0614F16939452FC734891F0@stanford.edu> Message-ID: Hi Niall, I am a totally blind grad student and I regularly give research and teaching presentations. In my experience it is very hard to remember what I want to talk about without using Braille. If you plan to teach professionally or go to grad school, I would highly recommend taking a few months to teach yourself to read Braille, even just the alphabet or "Grade 1" Braille can be tremendously helpful. Hadley School for the Blind offers courses and will send you materials in the mail so you can learn the alphabet and practice at home. Even if you don't plan to teach after this semester, it will really help you in any job to know how to read and write Braille. You don't have to be a fast reader to use Braille for presentations; just having the notes there to jog your memory will keep you from getting tongue-tied or forgetting what you want to say. In the meantime while you are learning Braille, you can use JAWS with an earphone to listen to what's on each slide as you present it. I would suggest trying to install your personal copy of JAWS on the school's computer or installing a "demo" version. You shouldn't have a problem installing your licensed copy on both your school and home computers. If you can't do that, then talk to the college about bringing your laptop. Again, this isn't a great solution since you have to stop at the beginning of each slide, listen to JAWS read it to you and then say what you want to say. Braille is much much better. But JAWS can work in the short term. Best, Arielle On 4/5/12, Niall Gallagher wrote: > Thank you for the suggestion of using large print. but my vision is at a > level that I cannot see any written materials. > I use JAWS on Windows and VoiceOver on Mac. > The college use windows and wont have JAWS available. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 5, 2012, at 7:06 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" > wrote: > >> have someone turn slides for you. have a braille or large print copy of >> the slide you typed. when you want to turn slides, just cue them to turn >> it. >> work from your prepared copy and you'll be fine. >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Niall Gallagher >> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 1:47 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Presentation Techniques >> >> Sorry guys I didn't want to overwhelm with information, but seems I did >> the opposite :) >> I am visually impaired but it is to the extent to which I can't see Power >> Point slides or any presentation aids (flash cards etc). >> I use the screen reading package JAWS to create the initial presentation >> slideshow. >> >> I expect not to have any screen reading software pre-installed on the >> computer I will be using in class. >> I could always use my own laptop, but that would mean changing the >> configuration of the projector cables the college has setup. >> >> The presentation is going to be law based, which I studied last year, but >> I am unsure of the topic or any additional information about the >> tutorials. >> >> I don't know or use brail, I primarily work with technology. >> >> I guess what I'm thinking of is, when there is a slide on the projector >> screen, that they can see, what could I do in order to prompt or assist >> myself? >> >> Hope this information helps you understand the situation. >> >> Kindest regards, >> >> Niall. >> On 5 Apr 2012, at 18:09, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: >> >>> Do you read Braille? If so, do you have a Braille note taking device? >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Niall Gallagher" >>> >>> To: >>> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 9:32 AM >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Presentation Techniques >>> >>> >>>> Hi Everyone,, >>>> >>>> I am a 3rd Year college student in Ireland. >>>> As part of my studies, I must complete a work placement module >>>> A part of this module will involve working with a lecturer. >>>> Now, for my question, does anyone have any techniques that they may use >>>> for presentations? >>>> >>>> I have presented in front of a class before, but it has been for a very >>>> brief period of time (no more than 10 minutes). >>>> These upcoming presentations will be tutorials (in excess of 30 >>>> minutes). >>>> >>>> I would appreciate any suggestions members of this list may have. >>>> >>>> Kindest regards, >>>> >>>> Niall. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/niall.j.gallagher.91%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/niall.j.gallagher.91%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From sjhhirst at gmail.com Thu Apr 5 18:35:48 2012 From: sjhhirst at gmail.com (Stephanie DeLuca) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 13:35:48 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Presentation Techniques In-Reply-To: References: <42D50AC5-4569-4C1C-B2F5-0719096296A8@gmail.com> <0AF007EEE0614F16939452FC734891F0@stanford.edu> Message-ID: <4CB1B11B-D598-4F2A-AF0E-E6E9E68C24DF@gmail.com> Ok I have better vision than you so consider that when reading this advice. What I normally do is make my slides such that I don't really need a laser pointer. I highlight the things that need to be highlighted or organize them in such a way as to lead the audience's attention where I want it to go without having to point with a laser pointer or with the mouse. One thing you can do is make the point you want to get across the title of the slide. That way, if they're not paying attention to your presentation, at least they see the title. Then, I make notes on each slide that outline what I want to say for it. If i want them to look at something on the right side of the slide, I say "As you can see in the table on the right…." blah blah blah. I learn what I want to say for each slide and run through it a few times until I feel comfortable with presenting it without being able to see the slides directly. You could then give practice talks with some friends to get feedback from them. On Apr 5, 2012, at 1:19 PM, Niall Gallagher wrote: > Thank you for the suggestion of using large print. but my vision is at a level that I cannot see any written materials. > I use JAWS on Windows and VoiceOver on Mac. > The college use windows and wont have JAWS available. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 5, 2012, at 7:06 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: > >> have someone turn slides for you. have a braille or large print copy of the slide you typed. when you want to turn slides, just cue them to turn it. >> work from your prepared copy and you'll be fine. >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Niall Gallagher >> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 1:47 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Presentation Techniques >> >> Sorry guys I didn't want to overwhelm with information, but seems I did the opposite :) >> I am visually impaired but it is to the extent to which I can't see Power Point slides or any presentation aids (flash cards etc). >> I use the screen reading package JAWS to create the initial presentation slideshow. >> >> I expect not to have any screen reading software pre-installed on the computer I will be using in class. >> I could always use my own laptop, but that would mean changing the configuration of the projector cables the college has setup. >> >> The presentation is going to be law based, which I studied last year, but I am unsure of the topic or any additional information about the tutorials. >> >> I don't know or use brail, I primarily work with technology. >> >> I guess what I'm thinking of is, when there is a slide on the projector screen, that they can see, what could I do in order to prompt or assist myself? >> >> Hope this information helps you understand the situation. >> >> Kindest regards, >> >> Niall. >> On 5 Apr 2012, at 18:09, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: >> >>> Do you read Braille? If so, do you have a Braille note taking device? >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Niall Gallagher" >>> To: >>> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 9:32 AM >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Presentation Techniques >>> >>> >>>> Hi Everyone,, >>>> >>>> I am a 3rd Year college student in Ireland. >>>> As part of my studies, I must complete a work placement module >>>> A part of this module will involve working with a lecturer. >>>> Now, for my question, does anyone have any techniques that they may use for presentations? >>>> >>>> I have presented in front of a class before, but it has been for a very brief period of time (no more than 10 minutes). >>>> These upcoming presentations will be tutorials (in excess of 30 minutes). >>>> >>>> I would appreciate any suggestions members of this list may have. >>>> >>>> Kindest regards, >>>> >>>> Niall. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/niall.j.gallagher.91%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/niall.j.gallagher.91%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com From niall.j.gallagher.91 at gmail.com Thu Apr 5 18:57:45 2012 From: niall.j.gallagher.91 at gmail.com (Niall Gallagher) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 19:57:45 +0100 Subject: [nabs-l] Presentation Techniques In-Reply-To: References: <42D50AC5-4569-4C1C-B2F5-0719096296A8@gmail.com> <0AF007EEE0614F16939452FC734891F0@stanford.edu> Message-ID: <9CE62D43-3EE3-44E2-B3B1-5893A2FC7152@gmail.com> Thank you very much for your suggestion Arielle. At present you are in the field of which I hope to become part of. A post graduate degree seems very likely, as I want to further my studies and possibly involve myself in the teaching profession. When I think about it, the activity of learning brail couldn't have come at a better time. My placement is 4 months long and I will have a considerable amount of free time in the evenings, so I will certainly investigate this avenue further. I guess I will arrange something involving the combination of JAWS, headphones, and a remote for changing the slides..... what can go wrong? lol Thank you once again and I wish you the best of luck in your studies. Kindest regards, Niall. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2012, at 7:31 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi Niall, > I am a totally blind grad student and I regularly give research and > teaching presentations. In my experience it is very hard to remember > what I want to talk about without using Braille. If you plan to teach > professionally or go to grad school, I would highly recommend taking a > few months to teach yourself to read Braille, even just the alphabet > or "Grade 1" Braille can be tremendously helpful. Hadley School for > the Blind offers courses and will send you materials in the mail so > you can learn the alphabet and practice at home. Even if you don't > plan to teach after this semester, it will really help you in any job > to know how to read and write Braille. You don't have to be a fast > reader to use Braille for presentations; just having the notes there > to jog your memory will keep you from getting tongue-tied or > forgetting what you want to say. > In the meantime while you are learning Braille, you can use JAWS with > an earphone to listen to what's on each slide as you present it. I > would suggest trying to install your personal copy of JAWS on the > school's computer or installing a "demo" version. You shouldn't have a > problem installing your licensed copy on both your school and home > computers. If you can't do that, then talk to the college about > bringing your laptop. > Again, this isn't a great solution since you have to stop at the > beginning of each slide, listen to JAWS read it to you and then say > what you want to say. Braille is much much better. But JAWS can work > in the short term. > Best, > Arielle > > On 4/5/12, Niall Gallagher wrote: >> Thank you for the suggestion of using large print. but my vision is at a >> level that I cannot see any written materials. >> I use JAWS on Windows and VoiceOver on Mac. >> The college use windows and wont have JAWS available. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Apr 5, 2012, at 7:06 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" >> wrote: >> >>> have someone turn slides for you. have a braille or large print copy of >>> the slide you typed. when you want to turn slides, just cue them to turn >>> it. >>> work from your prepared copy and you'll be fine. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Niall Gallagher >>> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 1:47 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Presentation Techniques >>> >>> Sorry guys I didn't want to overwhelm with information, but seems I did >>> the opposite :) >>> I am visually impaired but it is to the extent to which I can't see Power >>> Point slides or any presentation aids (flash cards etc). >>> I use the screen reading package JAWS to create the initial presentation >>> slideshow. >>> >>> I expect not to have any screen reading software pre-installed on the >>> computer I will be using in class. >>> I could always use my own laptop, but that would mean changing the >>> configuration of the projector cables the college has setup. >>> >>> The presentation is going to be law based, which I studied last year, but >>> I am unsure of the topic or any additional information about the >>> tutorials. >>> >>> I don't know or use brail, I primarily work with technology. >>> >>> I guess what I'm thinking of is, when there is a slide on the projector >>> screen, that they can see, what could I do in order to prompt or assist >>> myself? >>> >>> Hope this information helps you understand the situation. >>> >>> Kindest regards, >>> >>> Niall. >>> On 5 Apr 2012, at 18:09, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: >>> >>>> Do you read Braille? If so, do you have a Braille note taking device? >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Niall Gallagher" >>>> >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 9:32 AM >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Presentation Techniques >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi Everyone,, >>>>> >>>>> I am a 3rd Year college student in Ireland. >>>>> As part of my studies, I must complete a work placement module >>>>> A part of this module will involve working with a lecturer. >>>>> Now, for my question, does anyone have any techniques that they may use >>>>> for presentations? >>>>> >>>>> I have presented in front of a class before, but it has been for a very >>>>> brief period of time (no more than 10 minutes). >>>>> These upcoming presentations will be tutorials (in excess of 30 >>>>> minutes). >>>>> >>>>> I would appreciate any suggestions members of this list may have. >>>>> >>>>> Kindest regards, >>>>> >>>>> Niall. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/niall.j.gallagher.91%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/niall.j.gallagher.91%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/niall.j.gallagher.91%40gmail.com From sjhhirst at gmail.com Thu Apr 5 19:01:44 2012 From: sjhhirst at gmail.com (Stephanie DeLuca) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 14:01:44 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Presentation Techniques In-Reply-To: References: <42D50AC5-4569-4C1C-B2F5-0719096296A8@gmail.com> <0AF007EEE0614F16939452FC734891F0@stanford.edu> Message-ID: <245821D5-BE76-4A6D-8E0D-ABF43ABC1AF5@gmail.com> Ok I have better vision than you so consider that when reading this advice. What I normally do is make my slides such that I don't really need a laser pointer. I highlight the things that need to be highlighted or organize them in such a way as to lead the audience's attention where I want it to go without having to point with a laser pointer or with the mouse. One thing you can do is make the point you want to get across the title of the slide. That way, if they're not paying attention to your presentation, at least they see the title. Then, I make notes on each slide that outline what I want to say for it. If i want them to look at something on the right side of the slide, I say "As you can see in the table on the right…." blah blah blah. I learn what I want to say for each slide and run through it a few times until I feel comfortable with presenting it without being able to see the slides directly. You could then give practice talks with some friends to get feedback from them. On Apr 5, 2012, at 1:19 PM, Niall Gallagher wrote: > Thank you for the suggestion of using large print. but my vision is at a level that I cannot see any written materials. > I use JAWS on Windows and VoiceOver on Mac. > The college use windows and wont have JAWS available. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 5, 2012, at 7:06 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: > >> have someone turn slides for you. have a braille or large print copy of the slide you typed. when you want to turn slides, just cue them to turn it. >> work from your prepared copy and you'll be fine. >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Niall Gallagher >> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 1:47 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Presentation Techniques >> >> Sorry guys I didn't want to overwhelm with information, but seems I did the opposite :) >> I am visually impaired but it is to the extent to which I can't see Power Point slides or any presentation aids (flash cards etc). >> I use the screen reading package JAWS to create the initial presentation slideshow. >> >> I expect not to have any screen reading software pre-installed on the computer I will be using in class. >> I could always use my own laptop, but that would mean changing the configuration of the projector cables the college has setup. >> >> The presentation is going to be law based, which I studied last year, but I am unsure of the topic or any additional information about the tutorials. >> >> I don't know or use brail, I primarily work with technology. >> >> I guess what I'm thinking of is, when there is a slide on the projector screen, that they can see, what could I do in order to prompt or assist myself? >> >> Hope this information helps you understand the situation. >> >> Kindest regards, >> >> Niall. >> On 5 Apr 2012, at 18:09, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: >> >>> Do you read Braille? If so, do you have a Braille note taking device? >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Niall Gallagher" >>> To: >>> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 9:32 AM >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Presentation Techniques >>> >>> >>>> Hi Everyone,, >>>> >>>> I am a 3rd Year college student in Ireland. >>>> As part of my studies, I must complete a work placement module >>>> A part of this module will involve working with a lecturer. >>>> Now, for my question, does anyone have any techniques that they may use for presentations? >>>> >>>> I have presented in front of a class before, but it has been for a very brief period of time (no more than 10 minutes). >>>> These upcoming presentations will be tutorials (in excess of 30 minutes). >>>> >>>> I would appreciate any suggestions members of this list may have. >>>> >>>> Kindest regards, >>>> >>>> Niall. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/niall.j.gallagher.91%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/niall.j.gallagher.91%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com From niall.j.gallagher.91 at gmail.com Thu Apr 5 19:15:48 2012 From: niall.j.gallagher.91 at gmail.com (Niall Gallagher) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 20:15:48 +0100 Subject: [nabs-l] Presentation Techniques In-Reply-To: <4CB1B11B-D598-4F2A-AF0E-E6E9E68C24DF@gmail.com> References: <42D50AC5-4569-4C1C-B2F5-0719096296A8@gmail.com> <0AF007EEE0614F16939452FC734891F0@stanford.edu> <4CB1B11B-D598-4F2A-AF0E-E6E9E68C24DF@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2FFE5842-5EBA-4091-9421-108D798A4296@gmail.com> Thank you Stephanie, your suggestion is very helpful, and I will most definitely implement elements of it to keep the class I will be teaching engaged. Kindest regards, Niall. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2012, at 7:35 PM, Stephanie DeLuca wrote: > Ok I have better vision than you so consider that when reading this advice. > > What I normally do is make my slides such that I don't really need a laser pointer. I highlight the things that need to be highlighted or organize them in such a way as to lead the audience's attention where I want it to go without having to point with a laser pointer or with the mouse. One thing you can do is make the point you want to get across the title of the slide. That way, if they're not paying attention to your presentation, at least they see the title. > > Then, I make notes on each slide that outline what I want to say for it. If i want them to look at something on the right side of the slide, I say "As you can see in the table on the right…." blah blah blah. I learn what I want to say for each slide and run through it a few times until I feel comfortable with presenting it without being able to see the slides directly. You could then give practice talks with some friends to get feedback from them. > > On Apr 5, 2012, at 1:19 PM, Niall Gallagher wrote: > >> Thank you for the suggestion of using large print. but my vision is at a level that I cannot see any written materials. >> I use JAWS on Windows and VoiceOver on Mac. >> The college use windows and wont have JAWS available. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Apr 5, 2012, at 7:06 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: >> >>> have someone turn slides for you. have a braille or large print copy of the slide you typed. when you want to turn slides, just cue them to turn it. >>> work from your prepared copy and you'll be fine. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Niall Gallagher >>> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 1:47 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Presentation Techniques >>> >>> Sorry guys I didn't want to overwhelm with information, but seems I did the opposite :) >>> I am visually impaired but it is to the extent to which I can't see Power Point slides or any presentation aids (flash cards etc). >>> I use the screen reading package JAWS to create the initial presentation slideshow. >>> >>> I expect not to have any screen reading software pre-installed on the computer I will be using in class. >>> I could always use my own laptop, but that would mean changing the configuration of the projector cables the college has setup. >>> >>> The presentation is going to be law based, which I studied last year, but I am unsure of the topic or any additional information about the tutorials. >>> >>> I don't know or use brail, I primarily work with technology. >>> >>> I guess what I'm thinking of is, when there is a slide on the projector screen, that they can see, what could I do in order to prompt or assist myself? >>> >>> Hope this information helps you understand the situation. >>> >>> Kindest regards, >>> >>> Niall. >>> On 5 Apr 2012, at 18:09, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: >>> >>>> Do you read Braille? If so, do you have a Braille note taking device? >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Niall Gallagher" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 9:32 AM >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Presentation Techniques >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi Everyone,, >>>>> >>>>> I am a 3rd Year college student in Ireland. >>>>> As part of my studies, I must complete a work placement module >>>>> A part of this module will involve working with a lecturer. >>>>> Now, for my question, does anyone have any techniques that they may use for presentations? >>>>> >>>>> I have presented in front of a class before, but it has been for a very brief period of time (no more than 10 minutes). >>>>> These upcoming presentations will be tutorials (in excess of 30 minutes). >>>>> >>>>> I would appreciate any suggestions members of this list may have. >>>>> >>>>> Kindest regards, >>>>> >>>>> Niall. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/niall.j.gallagher.91%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/niall.j.gallagher.91%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/niall.j.gallagher.91%40gmail.com From ljmaher at swbell.net Thu Apr 5 21:47:44 2012 From: ljmaher at swbell.net (Louis Maher) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 16:47:44 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Presentation Techniques In-Reply-To: <42D50AC5-4569-4C1C-B2F5-0719096296A8@gmail.com> References: <42D50AC5-4569-4C1C-B2F5-0719096296A8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000401cd1375$bc7b7000$35725000$@swbell.net> Hello, Write your presentation with a word processor, and put an outline of your talk in Braille. Use the Braille notes on your presentation day. Regards Louis Maher 713-444-7838 ljmaher at swbell.net http://www.nfbtx.org/localchapters/houston -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Niall Gallagher Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 11:33 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Presentation Techniques Hi Everyone,, I am a 3rd Year college student in Ireland. As part of my studies, I must complete a work placement module A part of this module will involve working with a lecturer. Now, for my question, does anyone have any techniques that they may use for presentations? I have presented in front of a class before, but it has been for a very brief period of time (no more than 10 minutes). These upcoming presentations will be tutorials (in excess of 30 minutes). I would appreciate any suggestions members of this list may have. Kindest regards, Niall. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ljmaher%40swbell.net From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com Thu Apr 5 22:22:50 2012 From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 17:22:50 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Bookshare Books opening as XML Files in IE9 Message-ID: <000301cd137a$a3a54e70$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Hello everyone, I like reading Bookshare.org books using my Web browser. They open as web pages in IE6 and IE8 but as straight XML files in IE9. What must I do to cause these books to open as Web pages in IE9. The same thing is happening in Firefox. Your help will be appreciated very much. Peter Donahue “No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper.” Isaiah 54:17 “While for our princes they prepare In caverns deep a burning snare, He shot from heaven a piercing ray, And the dark treachery brought to day.” Anonymous From brice.smith319 at gmail.com Thu Apr 5 22:36:43 2012 From: brice.smith319 at gmail.com (Brice Smith) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 18:36:43 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Bookshare Books opening as XML Files in IE9 In-Reply-To: <000301cd137a$a3a54e70$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> References: <000301cd137a$a3a54e70$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: <4535193696387306967@unknownmsgid> Hi Peter, Try simply changing the filetype extension of the file from .xml to .html. Brice Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2012, at 6:24 PM, Peter Donahue wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I like reading Bookshare.org books using my Web browser. They open as > web pages in IE6 and IE8 but as straight XML files in IE9. What must I do to > cause these books to open as Web pages in IE9. The same thing is happening > in Firefox. Your help will be appreciated very much. > > Peter Donahue > > “No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper.” > Isaiah 54:17 > > “While for our princes they prepare > In caverns deep a burning snare, > He shot from heaven a piercing ray, > And the dark treachery brought to day.” > Anonymous > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brice.smith319%40gmail.com From ljmaher at swbell.net Fri Apr 6 00:43:23 2012 From: ljmaher at swbell.net (Louis Maher) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 19:43:23 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Bookshare Books opening as XML Files in IE9 In-Reply-To: <000301cd137a$a3a54e70$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> References: <000301cd137a$a3a54e70$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: <003b01cd138e$4631b940$d2952bc0$@swbell.net> Peter, One neat trick is to rename the xml file as an html file. Then the browser will read it as a web page. Good luck. Regards Louis Maher 713-444-7838 ljmaher at swbell.net http://www.nfbtx.org/localchapters/houston -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter Donahue Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 5:23 PM To: NFBnet NFBCS Mailing List Cc: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Bookshare Books opening as XML Files in IE9 Hello everyone, I like reading Bookshare.org books using my Web browser. They open as web pages in IE6 and IE8 but as straight XML files in IE9. What must I do to cause these books to open as Web pages in IE9. The same thing is happening in Firefox. Your help will be appreciated very much. Peter Donahue "No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper." Isaiah 54:17 "While for our princes they prepare In caverns deep a burning snare, He shot from heaven a piercing ray, And the dark treachery brought to day." Anonymous _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ljmaher%40swbell.net From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Apr 6 00:53:31 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2012 20:53:31 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] J.A.W.S. and I.E. 9 not getting along Message-ID: <4f7e3ea7.09cde00a.38dc.ffff83bf@mx.google.com> Wow! I didn't know you could costom-label links and buttons online with JAWS. How do you do that? Chris Nusbaum "For we walk by faith, not by sight." 2 Corinthians 5:7 Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: Ben, Have you tried cutting JAWS off then cutting it back on? -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Andrews Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 8:26 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: Re: [nabs-l] J.A.W.S. and I.E. 9 not getting along Let's be accurate -- this is not an accessibility problem, if it is what you say it is, then it is a screen reader problem. Contact Freedom Scientific at support at freedomscientific.com or your dealer. Dave At 08:02 PM 4/4/2012, Ben Schuler wrote: Hey guys, For whatever reason, when I go on any other page than my homepage there are multiple blank lines in between lines of text. (More blanks than should be there.) Even in google, there are more blank lines than there should be in between results. From what I have read on the internet it, it seems that this has something to do with a "buffering problem." But it has only gotten this bad in the last week or so. I have a ton of papers due for school next week, so this is really bad timing to be fixing accessability issues. Any help / possible ideas for fixes would be greatly appreciated. I am running Windows 7 and JAWS 11 with internet explorer 9.0.8112.16421 Thanks, Ben Schuler Bschuler45 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/chelseap08%40 gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 0earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Apr 6 00:53:34 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2012 20:53:34 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] can't send email using Microsoft Outlook and Gmailaccount Message-ID: <4f7e3eaa.09cde00a.38dc.ffff83c1@mx.google.com> I think I'll wait to see if suggestions on this list fix the problem before I contact MS support. To be honest, I don't really want to call somebody who is in India and speaks very broken English. :) Chris Nusbaum "For we walk by faith, not by sight." 2 Corinthians 5:7 Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Hi everyone, I'm having a very frustrating problem with Microsoft Outlook 2010. I finally got it set up with my Gmail account and got it to receive emails. For some reason, it thought I was using the trial version of Microsoft Office (and I might well have been,) and wanted me to buy the full version. The funny thing is that I had bought Microsoft Office when I bought my laptop back in 2010. I reentered the product key and reinstalled Office, and Outlook seemed to work. I then told it to receive emails by pressing control m, and that worked. The problem, however, is I can't send, reply, or forward emails. I tried both pressing control n and clicking on "new message" from the home tab on the virtual ribbons. Both of these methods did nothing; when I pressed control n, JAWS just said "control n" and did nothing, and when I clicked on new message from the ribbon, it just stayed in my Inbox. I went into my account settings, and noticed that my SMTP (outgoing mail server) port was set to 587, so I changed it to 465, as this was the port number which worked when I set my BrailleNote up to send and receive emails from my Gmail account, and my BrailleNote uses the same servers (POP and SMTP) to send and receive emails as Outlook. But even after this setting was changed, I still can't send email from my account using Outlook. Very frustrating and weird! Do any of you have any ideas as to how to fix this? I'm using the Gmail Web site to write this email, but I'd love to use Outlook, as I think it works very well and is easy to navigate using JAWS. So, any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Chris -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Apr 6 00:53:41 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2012 20:53:41 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: re: can't send email using Microsoft Outlook and Gmail account Message-ID: <4f7e3eb1.09cde00a.38dc.ffff83c5@mx.google.com> Here is a response I got to my Outlook question from a friend I sent it to privately: From: Marvin Vasquez From: "Steven Johnson" Hi everyone, I thought you may be interested in taking this survey. I received this link from the Top Tech Tidbits newsletter from Flying Blind, LLC. Here is the tidbit: 6) Have you had any difficulties accessing online travel sites? AFB wants you to complete a survey. http:www.afb.org/blog4aspx8,blog,5try,,id equals a#265 Chris Nusbaum "For we walk by faith, not by sight." 2 Corinthians 5:7 Sent from my BrailleNote From nfbcsblog at gmail.com Fri Apr 6 01:46:29 2012 From: nfbcsblog at gmail.com (Community Service Blog) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 20:46:29 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Looking for community service stories for April Message-ID: Please pass the following announcement on to anyone you think would be interested. In honor of National Volunteer Month* and Global Youth Service Day (April 20-22)**, the Community Service Group is looking for stories to feature on its blog at nfbcommunityservice.wordpress.com. This month the themes are fairly open, so hopefully there is something for everyone. You are welcome to write on one or both. 1. Tell us about what led you to serve and why you continue to serve. Why did you first get involved in community service? What was the first project you did? What keeps you involved? 2. Tell us about service projects you were involved in as a youth. What did you do? What did you learn from the experience? You can start sending in your stories immediately. Stories should be no more than 500 words. Stories should be submitted by April 25 to ensure inclusion in the blog during the month of April, but this is a month-long event. In keeping with the theme, we want to feature stories throughout the month, so feel free to send them in any time between now and the 25th. Send stories as an attachment or in the body of a message to nfbcsblog at gmail.com. Be sure to include your name, state, and a title with each submission. I look forward to reading about your experiences. *More information on National Volunteer Month, begun by President Nixon in 1974, can be found at http://www.uwchatt.org/www/docs/1241/national-volunteer-week-with-united-way--s-volunteer-center. **More information on Global Youth Service Day can be found at http://gysd.org/. Chris Parsons Blog Coordinator, Community Service Group From mworkman.lists at gmail.com Fri Apr 6 23:15:52 2012 From: mworkman.lists at gmail.com (Marc Workman) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 17:15:52 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Presentation Techniques In-Reply-To: <9CE62D43-3EE3-44E2-B3B1-5893A2FC7152@gmail.com> References: <42D50AC5-4569-4C1C-B2F5-0719096296A8@gmail.com> <0AF007EEE0614F16939452FC734891F0@stanford.edu> <9CE62D43-3EE3-44E2-B3B1-5893A2FC7152@gmail.com> Message-ID: Braille is useful, provided you have the time and energy to learn it. I've done presentations using Braille in the past. I've also used screen readers on computers and have recently used nothing but my iPhone and bluetooth earpiece. I no longer bother with Braille because I've found other methods less time consuming and more effective. I've lectured at college and university, presented at conferences, and testified at a Parliamentary legislative committee, and all without Braille. I'm not disparaging the use of Braille. If you can learn it and use it, all the power to you, I regret how much I resisted learning it as I was growing up, but you also shouldn't be made to feel that it is necessary in order to give a good presentation. And I realize no one said that it was necessary, but I think it's worth explicitly stating that it isn't. If you use powerpoint, and it sounds like you will, you shouldn't simply read what's on the screen. Powerpoint is meant to supplement your presentation, not to be your presentation. In fact, you shouldn't read the presentation at all, unless you can read it in such a way that it doesn't actually sound like you're reading it. There is nothing worse than someone standing up at the front reading a paper, and it's unbelievable how often this happens at conferences. Instead, if you really know the material, you can write down a few words to prompt you and keep you on track during the presentation. This is a little riskier and scarier because you have to form the sentences in your head rather than reading nice, complete, well organized sentences from a document, and you're more likely to jump a head of yourself when you're not simply reading a prepared presentation, but doing it this way sounds more natural and will be more engaging to your audience. You can listen to these prompting words with jaws on your own laptop and simply use the keyboard or a remote to move from slide to slide on the school's laptop, or you can do the same with Voiceover on your iPhone. just indicate in your notes when to switch to the next slide. The trick for listening and speaking at the same time is to keep each line of text to only a few words. If you try to listen to a complete line of text and say it back, you'll get half way through and then have to pause and listen again to get the second half of the line. If each line has only four or five words, though, you can keep them in your head while you're saying them, then simply arrow down or flick right to get to the next line and begin speaking what you here. It can take a bit of practice to get the hang of this, and you'll still want to rehearse the presentation before you deliver it, but this presentation method can allow you to read long passages word for word, or even the entire presentation, without a lot of prep time. It's important to try to break the sentence up at places where you might pause briefly anyway, otherwise, you can have slight pauses that might sound awkward, and this is the part that takes a bit of practice, but it really doesn't take very long to figure out how to break things up in a way that works for you. Hope that's helpful. Marc On 2012-04-05, at 12:57 PM, Niall Gallagher wrote: > Thank you very much for your suggestion Arielle. > At present you are in the field of which I hope to become part of. > A post graduate degree seems very likely, as I want to further my studies and possibly involve myself in the teaching profession. > > When I think about it, the activity of learning brail couldn't have come at a better time. > My placement is 4 months long and I will have a considerable amount of free time in the evenings, so I will certainly investigate this avenue further. > > I guess I will arrange something involving the combination of JAWS, headphones, and a remote for changing the slides..... what can go wrong? lol > > Thank you once again and I wish you the best of luck in your studies. > > Kindest regards, > > Niall. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 5, 2012, at 7:31 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > >> Hi Niall, >> I am a totally blind grad student and I regularly give research and >> teaching presentations. In my experience it is very hard to remember >> what I want to talk about without using Braille. If you plan to teach >> professionally or go to grad school, I would highly recommend taking a >> few months to teach yourself to read Braille, even just the alphabet >> or "Grade 1" Braille can be tremendously helpful. Hadley School for >> the Blind offers courses and will send you materials in the mail so >> you can learn the alphabet and practice at home. Even if you don't >> plan to teach after this semester, it will really help you in any job >> to know how to read and write Braille. You don't have to be a fast >> reader to use Braille for presentations; just having the notes there >> to jog your memory will keep you from getting tongue-tied or >> forgetting what you want to say. >> In the meantime while you are learning Braille, you can use JAWS with >> an earphone to listen to what's on each slide as you present it. I >> would suggest trying to install your personal copy of JAWS on the >> school's computer or installing a "demo" version. You shouldn't have a >> problem installing your licensed copy on both your school and home >> computers. If you can't do that, then talk to the college about >> bringing your laptop. >> Again, this isn't a great solution since you have to stop at the >> beginning of each slide, listen to JAWS read it to you and then say >> what you want to say. Braille is much much better. But JAWS can work >> in the short term. >> Best, >> Arielle >> >> On 4/5/12, Niall Gallagher wrote: >>> Thank you for the suggestion of using large print. but my vision is at a >>> level that I cannot see any written materials. >>> I use JAWS on Windows and VoiceOver on Mac. >>> The college use windows and wont have JAWS available. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Apr 5, 2012, at 7:06 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" >>> wrote: >>> >>>> have someone turn slides for you. have a braille or large print copy of >>>> the slide you typed. when you want to turn slides, just cue them to turn >>>> it. >>>> work from your prepared copy and you'll be fine. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- From: Niall Gallagher >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 1:47 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Presentation Techniques >>>> >>>> Sorry guys I didn't want to overwhelm with information, but seems I did >>>> the opposite :) >>>> I am visually impaired but it is to the extent to which I can't see Power >>>> Point slides or any presentation aids (flash cards etc). >>>> I use the screen reading package JAWS to create the initial presentation >>>> slideshow. >>>> >>>> I expect not to have any screen reading software pre-installed on the >>>> computer I will be using in class. >>>> I could always use my own laptop, but that would mean changing the >>>> configuration of the projector cables the college has setup. >>>> >>>> The presentation is going to be law based, which I studied last year, but >>>> I am unsure of the topic or any additional information about the >>>> tutorials. >>>> >>>> I don't know or use brail, I primarily work with technology. >>>> >>>> I guess what I'm thinking of is, when there is a slide on the projector >>>> screen, that they can see, what could I do in order to prompt or assist >>>> myself? >>>> >>>> Hope this information helps you understand the situation. >>>> >>>> Kindest regards, >>>> >>>> Niall. >>>> On 5 Apr 2012, at 18:09, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: >>>> >>>>> Do you read Braille? If so, do you have a Braille note taking device? >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Niall Gallagher" >>>>> >>>>> To: >>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 9:32 AM >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Presentation Techniques >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Everyone,, >>>>>> >>>>>> I am a 3rd Year college student in Ireland. >>>>>> As part of my studies, I must complete a work placement module >>>>>> A part of this module will involve working with a lecturer. >>>>>> Now, for my question, does anyone have any techniques that they may use >>>>>> for presentations? >>>>>> >>>>>> I have presented in front of a class before, but it has been for a very >>>>>> brief period of time (no more than 10 minutes). >>>>>> These upcoming presentations will be tutorials (in excess of 30 >>>>>> minutes). >>>>>> >>>>>> I would appreciate any suggestions members of this list may have. >>>>>> >>>>>> Kindest regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Niall. >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/niall.j.gallagher.91%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/niall.j.gallagher.91%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/niall.j.gallagher.91%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mworkman.lists%40gmail.com From niall.j.gallagher.91 at gmail.com Sat Apr 7 12:47:10 2012 From: niall.j.gallagher.91 at gmail.com (Niall Gallagher) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 13:47:10 +0100 Subject: [nabs-l] Presentation Techniques In-Reply-To: References: <42D50AC5-4569-4C1C-B2F5-0719096296A8@gmail.com> <0AF007EEE0614F16939452FC734891F0@stanford.edu> <9CE62D43-3EE3-44E2-B3B1-5893A2FC7152@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6E08C51C-53A6-4BA7-9831-1B354373DE7C@gmail.com> Hi Marc, Your contribution is very helpful and I greatly appreciate it. I have contacted the Hadley School for the Blind in order to obtain materials to investigate the practice of learning and reading brail. I have used my iPhone to learn my presentation, but I have yet to include it in my actual presentation. Keeping sentences short is the key, it has often happened me in rehearsals that I have had to stop mid-point and start again. I couldn't agree more that poer point slides should only be a supplement to the overall presentation. I am by no stretch of the imagination am experienced presenter, but it is so frustrating when someone begins their presentation by saying " and today I'll be reading this handout ". Again, I really appreciate your contribution and on this occasion I think technology will represent my presentation aid. Kindest regards, Niall. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 7, 2012, at 12:15 AM, Marc Workman wrote: > Braille is useful, provided you have the time and energy to learn it. I've done presentations using Braille in the past. I've also used screen readers on computers and have recently used nothing but my iPhone and bluetooth earpiece. I no longer bother with Braille because I've found other methods less time consuming and more effective. I've lectured at college and university, presented at conferences, and testified at a Parliamentary legislative committee, and all without Braille. I'm not disparaging the use of Braille. If you can learn it and use it, all the power to you, I regret how much I resisted learning it as I was growing up, but you also shouldn't be made to feel that it is necessary in order to give a good presentation. And I realize no one said that it was necessary, but I think it's worth explicitly stating that it isn't. > > If you use powerpoint, and it sounds like you will, you shouldn't simply read what's on the screen. Powerpoint is meant to supplement your presentation, not to be your presentation. In fact, you shouldn't read the presentation at all, unless you can read it in such a way that it doesn't actually sound like you're reading it. There is nothing worse than someone standing up at the front reading a paper, and it's unbelievable how often this happens at conferences. > > Instead, if you really know the material, you can write down a few words to prompt you and keep you on track during the presentation. This is a little riskier and scarier because you have to form the sentences in your head rather than reading nice, complete, well organized sentences from a document, and you're more likely to jump a head of yourself when you're not simply reading a prepared presentation, but doing it this way sounds more natural and will be more engaging to your audience. > > You can listen to these prompting words with jaws on your own laptop and simply use the keyboard or a remote to move from slide to slide on the school's laptop, or you can do the same with Voiceover on your iPhone. just indicate in your notes when to switch to the next slide. > > The trick for listening and speaking at the same time is to keep each line of text to only a few words. If you try to listen to a complete line of text and say it back, you'll get half way through and then have to pause and listen again to get the second half of the line. If each line has only four or five words, though, you can keep them in your head while you're saying them, then simply arrow down or flick right to get to the next line and begin speaking what you here. > > It can take a bit of practice to get the hang of this, and you'll still want to rehearse the presentation before you deliver it, but this presentation method can allow you to read long passages word for word, or even the entire presentation, without a lot of prep time. It's important to try to break the sentence up at places where you might pause briefly anyway, otherwise, you can have slight pauses that might sound awkward, and this is the part that takes a bit of practice, but it really doesn't take very long to figure out how to break things up in a way that works for you. > > Hope that's helpful. > > Marc > On 2012-04-05, at 12:57 PM, Niall Gallagher wrote: > >> Thank you very much for your suggestion Arielle. >> At present you are in the field of which I hope to become part of. >> A post graduate degree seems very likely, as I want to further my studies and possibly involve myself in the teaching profession. >> >> When I think about it, the activity of learning brail couldn't have come at a better time. >> My placement is 4 months long and I will have a considerable amount of free time in the evenings, so I will certainly investigate this avenue further. >> >> I guess I will arrange something involving the combination of JAWS, headphones, and a remote for changing the slides..... what can go wrong? lol >> >> Thank you once again and I wish you the best of luck in your studies. >> >> Kindest regards, >> >> Niall. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Apr 5, 2012, at 7:31 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: >> >>> Hi Niall, >>> I am a totally blind grad student and I regularly give research and >>> teaching presentations. In my experience it is very hard to remember >>> what I want to talk about without using Braille. If you plan to teach >>> professionally or go to grad school, I would highly recommend taking a >>> few months to teach yourself to read Braille, even just the alphabet >>> or "Grade 1" Braille can be tremendously helpful. Hadley School for >>> the Blind offers courses and will send you materials in the mail so >>> you can learn the alphabet and practice at home. Even if you don't >>> plan to teach after this semester, it will really help you in any job >>> to know how to read and write Braille. You don't have to be a fast >>> reader to use Braille for presentations; just having the notes there >>> to jog your memory will keep you from getting tongue-tied or >>> forgetting what you want to say. >>> In the meantime while you are learning Braille, you can use JAWS with >>> an earphone to listen to what's on each slide as you present it. I >>> would suggest trying to install your personal copy of JAWS on the >>> school's computer or installing a "demo" version. You shouldn't have a >>> problem installing your licensed copy on both your school and home >>> computers. If you can't do that, then talk to the college about >>> bringing your laptop. >>> Again, this isn't a great solution since you have to stop at the >>> beginning of each slide, listen to JAWS read it to you and then say >>> what you want to say. Braille is much much better. But JAWS can work >>> in the short term. >>> Best, >>> Arielle >>> >>> On 4/5/12, Niall Gallagher wrote: >>>> Thank you for the suggestion of using large print. but my vision is at a >>>> level that I cannot see any written materials. >>>> I use JAWS on Windows and VoiceOver on Mac. >>>> The college use windows and wont have JAWS available. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Apr 5, 2012, at 7:06 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> have someone turn slides for you. have a braille or large print copy of >>>>> the slide you typed. when you want to turn slides, just cue them to turn >>>>> it. >>>>> work from your prepared copy and you'll be fine. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Niall Gallagher >>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 1:47 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Presentation Techniques >>>>> >>>>> Sorry guys I didn't want to overwhelm with information, but seems I did >>>>> the opposite :) >>>>> I am visually impaired but it is to the extent to which I can't see Power >>>>> Point slides or any presentation aids (flash cards etc). >>>>> I use the screen reading package JAWS to create the initial presentation >>>>> slideshow. >>>>> >>>>> I expect not to have any screen reading software pre-installed on the >>>>> computer I will be using in class. >>>>> I could always use my own laptop, but that would mean changing the >>>>> configuration of the projector cables the college has setup. >>>>> >>>>> The presentation is going to be law based, which I studied last year, but >>>>> I am unsure of the topic or any additional information about the >>>>> tutorials. >>>>> >>>>> I don't know or use brail, I primarily work with technology. >>>>> >>>>> I guess what I'm thinking of is, when there is a slide on the projector >>>>> screen, that they can see, what could I do in order to prompt or assist >>>>> myself? >>>>> >>>>> Hope this information helps you understand the situation. >>>>> >>>>> Kindest regards, >>>>> >>>>> Niall. >>>>> On 5 Apr 2012, at 18:09, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Do you read Braille? If so, do you have a Braille note taking device? >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Niall Gallagher" >>>>>> >>>>>> To: >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 9:32 AM >>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Presentation Techniques >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Everyone,, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am a 3rd Year college student in Ireland. >>>>>>> As part of my studies, I must complete a work placement module >>>>>>> A part of this module will involve working with a lecturer. >>>>>>> Now, for my question, does anyone have any techniques that they may use >>>>>>> for presentations? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have presented in front of a class before, but it has been for a very >>>>>>> brief period of time (no more than 10 minutes). >>>>>>> These upcoming presentations will be tutorials (in excess of 30 >>>>>>> minutes). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would appreciate any suggestions members of this list may have. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kindest regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Niall. >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/niall.j.gallagher.91%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/niall.j.gallagher.91%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/niall.j.gallagher.91%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mworkman.lists%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/niall.j.gallagher.91%40gmail.com From dandrews at visi.com Sat Apr 7 16:37:07 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2012 11:37:07 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [BANA-Announce] BANA Announces Spring Meeting in St. Louis Message-ID: > >Press Release > >March 2012 > >For Immediate Release > >CONTACT: Frances Mary D’Andrea, Chair > >Braille Authority of North America > >Phone: 412-521-5797 > >Email: literacy2 at mindspring.com > > > >BANA Invites Guests to Spring Board Meeting in St. Louis > >The Braille Authority of North America (BANA), >which meets semiannually, will hold its spring >meeting on April 28–30, 2012, in St. Louis, >Missouri. This meeting is hosted by the National >Braille Association (NBA), a BANA member >organization, and will be held following the NBA >Conference, which is April 25–28. All meetings >will take place at the Hilton St. Louis >Frontenac, located at 1335 South Lindbergh Drive, St. Louis, Missouri. > >BANA will host an Open Forum on Saturday >morning, April 28, at 9:00 AM. This forum >provides an opportunity for participants to >learn more about the workings of BANA and to >provide feedback to the Board about braille. >BANA Board members want to hear participants’ >views about issues surrounding braille and its >future. Braille readers, teachers, and producers >of braille are encouraged to take advantage of >this opportunity to participate in a round-table >discussion and to engage in a dialogue with the >members of the BANA Board. To reserve your space >at the Open Forum and to help ensure accurate >counts for handouts, contact Frances Mary >D’Andrea at 412-521-5797 or by email at >literacy2 at mindspring.com. > >Guests are invited to attend the BANA Board >meetings and to observe the discussions. Items >on the Board’s agenda include reports from all >of BANA's committees as well as several >presentations in response to BANA's recent >article regarding the need for braille code >change. Peter Osborne, Chair of the United >Kingdom Association for Accessible Formats >(UKAAF), will be in attendance and will provide >an international perspective. To reserve a seat, >please contact BANA Chair Frances Mary D’Andrea. > >For additional resource information, visit >www.brailleauthority.org > > > >The mission and purpose of the Braille Authority >of North America are to assure literacy for >tactile readers through the standardization of >braille and/or tactile graphics. 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From smwhalenpsp at gmail.com Sat Apr 7 17:08:56 2012 From: smwhalenpsp at gmail.com (Sean Whalen) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 13:08:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS and IE 9 Message-ID: Hi, Sorry to be late to the party on this one, and I apologize if the question has already been answered (I think I missed a digest). I had the same exact problem. I ultimately upgraded to JAWS 13, but you can, I think, go in and uninstal the windows update from IE 8 to 9 and once again run IE 8, which plays nice with JFW 11. My understanding is that every Windows 7 machine initially shipped with IE 8 on it, so you should be able to backtrack to that version. FS tech support at 727 803-8600 can walk you through the proscess. It is pretty straight forward though. Just go into add/remove programs and find the IE update. Unfortunately, I do not remember precisely how it was listed, but I know it started with the word "windows," and the name of the update was self-explanitory. Take care, Sean From arielle71 at gmail.com Sat Apr 7 17:11:58 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 11:11:58 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Presentation Techniques In-Reply-To: <6E08C51C-53A6-4BA7-9831-1B354373DE7C@gmail.com> References: <42D50AC5-4569-4C1C-B2F5-0719096296A8@gmail.com> <0AF007EEE0614F16939452FC734891F0@stanford.edu> <9CE62D43-3EE3-44E2-B3B1-5893A2FC7152@gmail.com> <6E08C51C-53A6-4BA7-9831-1B354373DE7C@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Marc, I'm curious to know how you access your presentation notes/prompts on your laptop while also displaying the PowerPoint slides at the same time? Do you have to toggle continuously between the notes pane and the slide show or is there a way to read your notes with JAWS while simultaneously displaying the slides on the projector? While Braille has historically worked best for me, I am open to learning new methods especially if I end up in a situation where I don't have the time or resources to transcribe my notes in advance. What I have started doing recently is to prepare my PowerPoint presentation and then write out what I will be saying. I do read word for word from this transcript, but I write it in colloquial language (literally as if I were speaking out loud) and then when I read it, it doesn't sound like I'm reading from a book or handout. I originally tried doing my presentations more free-form just using prompts, but I found that often the delivery was awkward or I would forget key points, especially if the presentation was in front of important people evaluating my work (professors etc.) which would make me nervous. If I can prepare exactly what I am going to say in advance and then just rely on the transcript in the moment when everyone is watching, the delivery tends to go much better and the audience can stay on my train of thought. However that is just my personal style. Best, Arielle On 4/7/12, Niall Gallagher wrote: > Hi Marc, > > Your contribution is very helpful and I greatly appreciate it. > I have contacted the Hadley School for the Blind in order to obtain > materials to investigate the practice of learning and reading brail. > I have used my iPhone to learn my presentation, but I have yet to include it > in my actual presentation. > Keeping sentences short is the key, it has often happened me in rehearsals > that I have had to stop mid-point and start again. > > I couldn't agree more that poer point slides should only be a supplement to > the overall presentation. > I am by no stretch of the imagination am experienced presenter, but it is so > frustrating when someone begins their presentation by saying " and today > I'll be reading this handout ". > > Again, I really appreciate your contribution and on this occasion I think > technology will represent my presentation aid. > > Kindest regards, > > Niall. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 7, 2012, at 12:15 AM, Marc Workman wrote: > >> Braille is useful, provided you have the time and energy to learn it. I've >> done presentations using Braille in the past. I've also used screen >> readers on computers and have recently used nothing but my iPhone and >> bluetooth earpiece. I no longer bother with Braille because I've found >> other methods less time consuming and more effective. I've lectured at >> college and university, presented at conferences, and testified at a >> Parliamentary legislative committee, and all without Braille. I'm not >> disparaging the use of Braille. If you can learn it and use it, all the >> power to you, I regret how much I resisted learning it as I was growing >> up, but you also shouldn't be made to feel that it is necessary in order >> to give a good presentation. And I realize no one said that it was >> necessary, but I think it's worth explicitly stating that it isn't. >> >> If you use powerpoint, and it sounds like you will, you shouldn't simply >> read what's on the screen. Powerpoint is meant to supplement your >> presentation, not to be your presentation. In fact, you shouldn't read the >> presentation at all, unless you can read it in such a way that it doesn't >> actually sound like you're reading it. There is nothing worse than someone >> standing up at the front reading a paper, and it's unbelievable how often >> this happens at conferences. >> >> Instead, if you really know the material, you can write down a few words >> to prompt you and keep you on track during the presentation. This is a >> little riskier and scarier because you have to form the sentences in your >> head rather than reading nice, complete, well organized sentences from a >> document, and you're more likely to jump a head of yourself when you're >> not simply reading a prepared presentation, but doing it this way sounds >> more natural and will be more engaging to your audience. >> >> You can listen to these prompting words with jaws on your own laptop and >> simply use the keyboard or a remote to move from slide to slide on the >> school's laptop, or you can do the same with Voiceover on your iPhone. >> just indicate in your notes when to switch to the next slide. >> >> The trick for listening and speaking at the same time is to keep each line >> of text to only a few words. If you try to listen to a complete line of >> text and say it back, you'll get half way through and then have to pause >> and listen again to get the second half of the line. If each line has only >> four or five words, though, you can keep them in your head while you're >> saying them, then simply arrow down or flick right to get to the next line >> and begin speaking what you here. >> >> It can take a bit of practice to get the hang of this, and you'll still >> want to rehearse the presentation before you deliver it, but this >> presentation method can allow you to read long passages word for word, or >> even the entire presentation, without a lot of prep time. It's important >> to try to break the sentence up at places where you might pause briefly >> anyway, otherwise, you can have slight pauses that might sound awkward, >> and this is the part that takes a bit of practice, but it really doesn't >> take very long to figure out how to break things up in a way that works >> for you. >> >> Hope that's helpful. >> >> Marc >> On 2012-04-05, at 12:57 PM, Niall Gallagher wrote: >> >>> Thank you very much for your suggestion Arielle. >>> At present you are in the field of which I hope to become part of. >>> A post graduate degree seems very likely, as I want to further my studies >>> and possibly involve myself in the teaching profession. >>> >>> When I think about it, the activity of learning brail couldn't have come >>> at a better time. >>> My placement is 4 months long and I will have a considerable amount of >>> free time in the evenings, so I will certainly investigate this avenue >>> further. >>> >>> I guess I will arrange something involving the combination of JAWS, >>> headphones, and a remote for changing the slides..... what can go wrong? >>> lol >>> >>> Thank you once again and I wish you the best of luck in your studies. >>> >>> Kindest regards, >>> >>> Niall. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Apr 5, 2012, at 7:31 PM, Arielle Silverman >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Niall, >>>> I am a totally blind grad student and I regularly give research and >>>> teaching presentations. In my experience it is very hard to remember >>>> what I want to talk about without using Braille. If you plan to teach >>>> professionally or go to grad school, I would highly recommend taking a >>>> few months to teach yourself to read Braille, even just the alphabet >>>> or "Grade 1" Braille can be tremendously helpful. Hadley School for >>>> the Blind offers courses and will send you materials in the mail so >>>> you can learn the alphabet and practice at home. Even if you don't >>>> plan to teach after this semester, it will really help you in any job >>>> to know how to read and write Braille. You don't have to be a fast >>>> reader to use Braille for presentations; just having the notes there >>>> to jog your memory will keep you from getting tongue-tied or >>>> forgetting what you want to say. >>>> In the meantime while you are learning Braille, you can use JAWS with >>>> an earphone to listen to what's on each slide as you present it. I >>>> would suggest trying to install your personal copy of JAWS on the >>>> school's computer or installing a "demo" version. You shouldn't have a >>>> problem installing your licensed copy on both your school and home >>>> computers. If you can't do that, then talk to the college about >>>> bringing your laptop. >>>> Again, this isn't a great solution since you have to stop at the >>>> beginning of each slide, listen to JAWS read it to you and then say >>>> what you want to say. Braille is much much better. But JAWS can work >>>> in the short term. >>>> Best, >>>> Arielle >>>> >>>> On 4/5/12, Niall Gallagher wrote: >>>>> Thank you for the suggestion of using large print. but my vision is at >>>>> a >>>>> level that I cannot see any written materials. >>>>> I use JAWS on Windows and VoiceOver on Mac. >>>>> The college use windows and wont have JAWS available. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 5, 2012, at 7:06 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> have someone turn slides for you. have a braille or large print copy >>>>>> of >>>>>> the slide you typed. when you want to turn slides, just cue them to >>>>>> turn >>>>>> it. >>>>>> work from your prepared copy and you'll be fine. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Niall Gallagher >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 1:47 PM >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Presentation Techniques >>>>>> >>>>>> Sorry guys I didn't want to overwhelm with information, but seems I >>>>>> did >>>>>> the opposite :) >>>>>> I am visually impaired but it is to the extent to which I can't see >>>>>> Power >>>>>> Point slides or any presentation aids (flash cards etc). >>>>>> I use the screen reading package JAWS to create the initial >>>>>> presentation >>>>>> slideshow. >>>>>> >>>>>> I expect not to have any screen reading software pre-installed on the >>>>>> computer I will be using in class. >>>>>> I could always use my own laptop, but that would mean changing the >>>>>> configuration of the projector cables the college has setup. >>>>>> >>>>>> The presentation is going to be law based, which I studied last year, >>>>>> but >>>>>> I am unsure of the topic or any additional information about the >>>>>> tutorials. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't know or use brail, I primarily work with technology. >>>>>> >>>>>> I guess what I'm thinking of is, when there is a slide on the >>>>>> projector >>>>>> screen, that they can see, what could I do in order to prompt or >>>>>> assist >>>>>> myself? >>>>>> >>>>>> Hope this information helps you understand the situation. >>>>>> >>>>>> Kindest regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Niall. >>>>>> On 5 Apr 2012, at 18:09, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Do you read Braille? If so, do you have a Braille note taking device? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Niall Gallagher" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To: >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 9:32 AM >>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Presentation Techniques >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Everyone,, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am a 3rd Year college student in Ireland. >>>>>>>> As part of my studies, I must complete a work placement module >>>>>>>> A part of this module will involve working with a lecturer. >>>>>>>> Now, for my question, does anyone have any techniques that they may >>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>> for presentations? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have presented in front of a class before, but it has been for a >>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>> brief period of time (no more than 10 minutes). >>>>>>>> These upcoming presentations will be tutorials (in excess of 30 >>>>>>>> minutes). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would appreciate any suggestions members of this list may have. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kindest regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Niall. >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/niall.j.gallagher.91%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/niall.j.gallagher.91%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/niall.j.gallagher.91%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mworkman.lists%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/niall.j.gallagher.91%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From arielle71 at gmail.com Sat Apr 7 17:14:54 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 11:14:54 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS and IE 9 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Sean, I tried downloading and installing IE 8 from scratch, and it said that IE 8 wasn't supported on my (Windows 7) machine. But you're saying I can just un-install the update that is already installed on my PC and the resulting IE 8 application will be supported on my machine? Just want to be sure I understand before I try it. Arielle On 4/7/12, Sean Whalen wrote: > Hi, > > Sorry to be late to the party on this one, and I apologize if the > question has already been answered (I think I missed a digest). I had > the same exact problem. I ultimately upgraded to JAWS 13, but you can, > I think, go in and uninstal the windows update from IE 8 to 9 and once > again run IE 8, which plays nice with JFW 11. My understanding is that > every Windows 7 machine initially shipped with IE 8 on it, so you > should be able to backtrack to that version. FS tech support at 727 > 803-8600 can walk you through the proscess. It is pretty straight > forward though. Just go into add/remove programs and find the IE > update. Unfortunately, I do not remember precisely how it was listed, > but I know it started with the word "windows," and the name of the > update was self-explanitory. > > Take care, > > Sean > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From steve.jacobson at visi.com Sat Apr 7 17:38:31 2012 From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2012 12:38:31 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS and IE 9 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Arielle, I'm not sean, but I have had to do this twice and it has worked fine in both cases. When you go to the list of installed updates, you may have a lot of updates to go through, and I have not found a quick way to find Internet Explorer 9 in the list except by just going through the list. My guess is that the reason you get the unsupported message when you downloaded IE 8 is that it isn't set up to undo IE 9 but is meant to overlay earlier versions of Internet Explorer. Best regards, Steve Jacobson On Sat, 7 Apr 2012 11:14:54 -0600, Arielle Silverman wrote: >Hi Sean, >I tried downloading and installing IE 8 from scratch, and it said that >IE 8 wasn't supported on my (Windows 7) machine. But you're saying I >can just un-install the update that is already installed on my PC and >the resulting IE 8 application will be supported on my machine? >Just want to be sure I understand before I try it. >Arielle >On 4/7/12, Sean Whalen wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Sorry to be late to the party on this one, and I apologize if the >> question has already been answered (I think I missed a digest). I had >> the same exact problem. I ultimately upgraded to JAWS 13, but you can, >> I think, go in and uninstal the windows update from IE 8 to 9 and once >> again run IE 8, which plays nice with JFW 11. My understanding is that >> every Windows 7 machine initially shipped with IE 8 on it, so you >> should be able to backtrack to that version. FS tech support at 727 >> 803-8600 can walk you through the proscess. It is pretty straight >> forward though. Just go into add/remove programs and find the IE >> update. Unfortunately, I do not remember precisely how it was listed, >> but I know it started with the word "windows," and the name of the >> update was self-explanitory. >> >> Take care, >> >> Sean >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Apr 7 20:12:07 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 16:12:07 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Presentation Techniques In-Reply-To: References: <42D50AC5-4569-4C1C-B2F5-0719096296A8@gmail.com> <0AF007EEE0614F16939452FC734891F0@stanford.edu> <9CE62D43-3EE3-44E2-B3B1-5893A2FC7152@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000901cd14fa$b5e90820$21bb1860$@gmail.com> Marc, I agree completely! I like Braille for reading out loud, so I usually put notes into a document on my notetaker and take it with me, reading the notes as I do the presentation. If I am presenting a PowerPoint presentation, I usually have a copy of the presentation saved as an outline and on my BrailleNote, which I will refer to. However, I agree with your statement about not reading off the screen; the audience will get lost. Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marc Workman Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 7:16 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Presentation Techniques Braille is useful, provided you have the time and energy to learn it. I've done presentations using Braille in the past. I've also used screen readers on computers and have recently used nothing but my iPhone and bluetooth earpiece. I no longer bother with Braille because I've found other methods less time consuming and more effective. I've lectured at college and university, presented at conferences, and testified at a Parliamentary legislative committee, and all without Braille. I'm not disparaging the use of Braille. If you can learn it and use it, all the power to you, I regret how much I resisted learning it as I was growing up, but you also shouldn't be made to feel that it is necessary in order to give a good presentation. And I realize no one said that it was necessary, but I think it's worth explicitly stating that it isn't. If you use powerpoint, and it sounds like you will, you shouldn't simply read what's on the screen. Powerpoint is meant to supplement your presentation, not to be your presentation. In fact, you shouldn't read the presentation at all, unless you can read it in such a way that it doesn't actually sound like you're reading it. There is nothing worse than someone standing up at the front reading a paper, and it's unbelievable how often this happens at conferences. Instead, if you really know the material, you can write down a few words to prompt you and keep you on track during the presentation. This is a little riskier and scarier because you have to form the sentences in your head rather than reading nice, complete, well organized sentences from a document, and you're more likely to jump a head of yourself when you're not simply reading a prepared presentation, but doing it this way sounds more natural and will be more engaging to your audience. You can listen to these prompting words with jaws on your own laptop and simply use the keyboard or a remote to move from slide to slide on the school's laptop, or you can do the same with Voiceover on your iPhone. just indicate in your notes when to switch to the next slide. The trick for listening and speaking at the same time is to keep each line of text to only a few words. If you try to listen to a complete line of text and say it back, you'll get half way through and then have to pause and listen again to get the second half of the line. If each line has only four or five words, though, you can keep them in your head while you're saying them, then simply arrow down or flick right to get to the next line and begin speaking what you here. It can take a bit of practice to get the hang of this, and you'll still want to rehearse the presentation before you deliver it, but this presentation method can allow you to read long passages word for word, or even the entire presentation, without a lot of prep time. It's important to try to break the sentence up at places where you might pause briefly anyway, otherwise, you can have slight pauses that might sound awkward, and this is the part that takes a bit of practice, but it really doesn't take very long to figure out how to break things up in a way that works for you. Hope that's helpful. Marc On 2012-04-05, at 12:57 PM, Niall Gallagher wrote: > Thank you very much for your suggestion Arielle. > At present you are in the field of which I hope to become part of. > A post graduate degree seems very likely, as I want to further my studies and possibly involve myself in the teaching profession. > > When I think about it, the activity of learning brail couldn't have come at a better time. > My placement is 4 months long and I will have a considerable amount of free time in the evenings, so I will certainly investigate this avenue further. > > I guess I will arrange something involving the combination of JAWS, > headphones, and a remote for changing the slides..... what can go > wrong? lol > > Thank you once again and I wish you the best of luck in your studies. > > Kindest regards, > > Niall. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 5, 2012, at 7:31 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > >> Hi Niall, >> I am a totally blind grad student and I regularly give research and >> teaching presentations. In my experience it is very hard to remember >> what I want to talk about without using Braille. If you plan to teach >> professionally or go to grad school, I would highly recommend taking >> a few months to teach yourself to read Braille, even just the >> alphabet or "Grade 1" Braille can be tremendously helpful. Hadley >> School for the Blind offers courses and will send you materials in >> the mail so you can learn the alphabet and practice at home. Even if >> you don't plan to teach after this semester, it will really help you >> in any job to know how to read and write Braille. You don't have to >> be a fast reader to use Braille for presentations; just having the >> notes there to jog your memory will keep you from getting tongue-tied >> or forgetting what you want to say. >> In the meantime while you are learning Braille, you can use JAWS with >> an earphone to listen to what's on each slide as you present it. I >> would suggest trying to install your personal copy of JAWS on the >> school's computer or installing a "demo" version. You shouldn't have >> a problem installing your licensed copy on both your school and home >> computers. If you can't do that, then talk to the college about >> bringing your laptop. >> Again, this isn't a great solution since you have to stop at the >> beginning of each slide, listen to JAWS read it to you and then say >> what you want to say. Braille is much much better. But JAWS can work >> in the short term. >> Best, >> Arielle >> >> On 4/5/12, Niall Gallagher wrote: >>> Thank you for the suggestion of using large print. but my vision is >>> at a level that I cannot see any written materials. >>> I use JAWS on Windows and VoiceOver on Mac. >>> The college use windows and wont have JAWS available. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Apr 5, 2012, at 7:06 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> have someone turn slides for you. have a braille or large print >>>> copy of the slide you typed. when you want to turn slides, just >>>> cue them to turn it. >>>> work from your prepared copy and you'll be fine. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- From: Niall Gallagher >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 1:47 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Presentation Techniques >>>> >>>> Sorry guys I didn't want to overwhelm with information, but seems I >>>> did the opposite :) I am visually impaired but it is to the extent >>>> to which I can't see Power Point slides or any presentation aids >>>> (flash cards etc). >>>> I use the screen reading package JAWS to create the initial >>>> presentation slideshow. >>>> >>>> I expect not to have any screen reading software pre-installed on >>>> the computer I will be using in class. >>>> I could always use my own laptop, but that would mean changing the >>>> configuration of the projector cables the college has setup. >>>> >>>> The presentation is going to be law based, which I studied last >>>> year, but I am unsure of the topic or any additional information >>>> about the tutorials. >>>> >>>> I don't know or use brail, I primarily work with technology. >>>> >>>> I guess what I'm thinking of is, when there is a slide on the >>>> projector screen, that they can see, what could I do in order to >>>> prompt or assist myself? >>>> >>>> Hope this information helps you understand the situation. >>>> >>>> Kindest regards, >>>> >>>> Niall. >>>> On 5 Apr 2012, at 18:09, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: >>>> >>>>> Do you read Braille? If so, do you have a Braille note taking device? >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Niall Gallagher" >>>>> >>>>> To: >>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 9:32 AM >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Presentation Techniques >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Everyone,, >>>>>> >>>>>> I am a 3rd Year college student in Ireland. >>>>>> As part of my studies, I must complete a work placement module A >>>>>> part of this module will involve working with a lecturer. >>>>>> Now, for my question, does anyone have any techniques that they >>>>>> may use for presentations? >>>>>> >>>>>> I have presented in front of a class before, but it has been for >>>>>> a very brief period of time (no more than 10 minutes). >>>>>> These upcoming presentations will be tutorials (in excess of 30 >>>>>> minutes). >>>>>> >>>>>> I would appreciate any suggestions members of this list may have. >>>>>> >>>>>> Kindest regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Niall. >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40 >>>>>> wavecable.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/niall.j.gallag >>>>> her.91%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40e >>>> arthlink.net >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/niall.j.gallagh >>>> er.91%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmai >>> l.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/niall.j.gallagher >> .91%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mworkman.lists%40g > mail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com Sat Apr 7 20:24:17 2012 From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 15:24:17 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS and IE 9 References: Message-ID: <004f01cd14fc$68ea6bc0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Hello Shawn and everyone, Mary's new machine shipped with Windows 7 and IE9. Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Whalen" To: Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 12:08 PM Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS and IE 9 Hi, Sorry to be late to the party on this one, and I apologize if the question has already been answered (I think I missed a digest). I had the same exact problem. I ultimately upgraded to JAWS 13, but you can, I think, go in and uninstal the windows update from IE 8 to 9 and once again run IE 8, which plays nice with JFW 11. My understanding is that every Windows 7 machine initially shipped with IE 8 on it, so you should be able to backtrack to that version. FS tech support at 727 803-8600 can walk you through the proscess. It is pretty straight forward though. Just go into add/remove programs and find the IE update. Unfortunately, I do not remember precisely how it was listed, but I know it started with the word "windows," and the name of the update was self-explanitory. Take care, Sean _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sat Apr 7 23:48:09 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 19:48:09 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Scott MacIntyre: "By Faith, Not By Sight" In-Reply-To: <4f73bc5d.4ad4e00a.6227.ffffc4ac@mx.google.com> References: <4f73bc5d.4ad4e00a.6227.ffffc4ac@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <01AC517D8FDA4ABE9980E020E96996DA@OwnerPC> It is I'm sure. Has anyone read it or planning to? -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 9:35 PM To: NFB NABS list ; MDABS List ; NFB Blind Talk list Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Scott MacIntyre: "By Faith, Not By Sight" This sounds like a very interesting book: From: Learning Ally References: <4f73bc5d.4ad4e00a.6227.ffffc4ac@mx.google.com> <01AC517D8FDA4ABE9980E020E96996DA@OwnerPC> Message-ID: I'm interested in this book! I hope, he'll attend our national convention! Is he in the NFB? Thanks, Joshua On 4/7/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > It is I'm sure. Has anyone read it or planning to? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 9:35 PM > To: NFB NABS list ; MDABS List ; NFB Blind Talk list > Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Scott MacIntyre: "By Faith, Not By Sight" > > This sounds like a very interesting book: > From: Learning Ally To: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com > sent: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 17:28:59 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Scott MacIntyre: "By Faith, Not By Sight" > > Having trouble viewing this email? > Click here to view this email as a webpage. > http://campaign.r20.constantcontact.com/render?llr=dpqs87bab&v=00 > 1Xj-HQOIjbAXvi-zUPLc_0wT9FyoeBgq6NWfmkgkSGXRiduHW_U34_BSybhKk84Ly > HueCXeb1usrPbK1vNwV7IpjFJOOHRyMkvuV_ihWKvbFHS9aphaDvU-hx08H-Bpa0Q > MEl_W-7gJLe1J5Zo8FjmPCDBoNiKaHdgSCQbaQ3dXCoZj34WSP0Cbh89C-OnLRArk > 5-lBC_5uAy-YIE4VQ5J32oaib-X1CkQMA9QiOf70C1KkuXYdk5DM-4Dt8tBxqTjQ1 > 3dQJP1b2Q6ZTUaQZ_6ziuBDVKnwcuaCqNA_3JyeePl0ZwVO886UL11DDMaf1Dkt_U > 6PdTTjOawz9G-tS4hMGZgvzCFB9I7tsxyRIY7jZqO1cTq05XKBrChUpHhzk27lI4_ > kZySV773MV90OA7s52nZ5k6xywk > You're receiving this email because of your relationship with > Learning Ally.. 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I met him in person when he spoke at the 2009 Braille Challenge, but that was not an NFB-related event. I remember Dr. Maurer mentioning him in the 2009 banquet speech, so he may be in the NFB, but I don't know. Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 9:13 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] FW: Scott MacIntyre: "By Faith, Not By Sight" I'm interested in this book! I hope, he'll attend our national convention! Is he in the NFB? Thanks, Joshua On 4/7/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > It is I'm sure. Has anyone read it or planning to? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 9:35 PM > To: NFB NABS list ; MDABS List ; NFB Blind Talk list > Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Scott MacIntyre: "By Faith, Not By Sight" > > This sounds like a very interesting book: > From: Learning Ally To: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com > sent: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 17:28:59 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Scott MacIntyre: "By Faith, Not By Sight" > > Having trouble viewing this email? > Click here to view this email as a webpage. > http://campaign.r20.constantcontact.com/render?llr=dpqs87bab&v=00 > 1Xj-HQOIjbAXvi-zUPLc_0wT9FyoeBgq6NWfmkgkSGXRiduHW_U34_BSybhKk84Ly > HueCXeb1usrPbK1vNwV7IpjFJOOHRyMkvuV_ihWKvbFHS9aphaDvU-hx08H-Bpa0Q > MEl_W-7gJLe1J5Zo8FjmPCDBoNiKaHdgSCQbaQ3dXCoZj34WSP0Cbh89C-OnLRArk > 5-lBC_5uAy-YIE4VQ5J32oaib-X1CkQMA9QiOf70C1KkuXYdk5DM-4Dt8tBxqTjQ1 > 3dQJP1b2Q6ZTUaQZ_6ziuBDVKnwcuaCqNA_3JyeePl0ZwVO886UL11DDMaf1Dkt_U > 6PdTTjOawz9G-tS4hMGZgvzCFB9I7tsxyRIY7jZqO1cTq05XKBrChUpHhzk27lI4_ > kZySV773MV90OA7s52nZ5k6xywk > You're receiving this email because of your relationship with Learning > Ally.. 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Well known around the world > as the first ever blind finalist on "American Idol," Scott has a > special connection to Learning > Ally: he was a National > Achievement Award winner in 2005, keynoted our NAA celebration in > Washington, DC last year, and continues to be a great celebrity > advocate for our mission. > > Scott has just released a new book, By Faith, Not By Sight. We plan > to record it soon for Learning Ally members. In this autobiographical > book, Scott talks about how he overcame his disability, how he made it > in the music industry, how he found the love of his life, and how he > learned that in all things, we can truly achieve our dreams. > > By Faith, Not By Sight Cover Image > [http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1109618070987&s=166919&e=001tD0Lyfq > NaghaZW2_nIorN5G-ajlKJiPuOwAIrZOyT2JAWMSUfluyZ0hXRjpabesKKLZnJRpy > pmXTsTpDbQEhZ-Pw_Mdg-HoHhkSartMK4FFE_ufTGi7WAb2LJ7V8huRlDGdMT57Pt > GBXRjoDYnWLXFVfSqIhaTNBFWw3y9zK8ZOjRVXWVXeI2PF7TmSrOroPqD3ncYVsEV > g=]What many people may not know is that at 19 years old, Scott faced > a life-threatening illness and almost lost his life. His contagious > spirit of optimism and heartfelt stories will take you on an emotional > journey of love and yearning, hardship and hope, from someone who > deeply understands the challenge of overcoming enormous adversity - by > faith, not by sight. Here is a description from the book jacket: > > "Is it possible to be high on a mountain and deep in a valley at the > same time? > "This isn't a riddle, it's Scott MacIntyre's life. Each time his > dreams come true, Scott finds his nightmares not far behind. Some > call it Murphy's Law. Others call it bad luck. Scott has learned to > call it a blessing, even when circumstances have threatened to take > everything away. > > Scott MacIntyre in DC > [http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1109618070987&s=166919&e=001tD0Lyfq > Nagj1MQbrPNEG69JSVHc4UJHCl2KleX0jfXoAoNImiE34WsH_ArRy36i_Qn83RVw0 > GXtBbbo5R4xKTxjIrJK1ST53jspl9muiIKlREzP-2HW61g==]"Outstanding > graduate. Marshall scholar. Recording artist. Inspirational > speaker. > American Idol. Blind from birth, Scott has had to work harder and > longer to achieve his goals. But when a silent killer begins to > undermine his success, Scott cannot work it out alone. Once again, he > must lean on his faith, his close-knit family, and the life-giving aid > of friends to survive. > > "Follow Scott's roller-coaster ride to see how the mountains and > valleys in his life gave him perspective, hope, and ultimately > triumph." > > Scott's book, "By Faith, Not By Sight", can be ordered from Amazon. > > > [http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1109618070987&s=166919&e=001tD0Lyfq > NaghaZW2_nIorN5G-ajlKJiPuOwAIrZOyT2JAWMSUfluyZ0hXRjpabesKKLZnJRpy > pmXTsTpDbQEhZ-Pw_Mdg-HoHhkSartMK4FFE_ufTGi7WAb2LJ7V8huRlDGdMT57Pt > GBXRjoDYnWLXFVfSqIhaTNBFWw3y9zK8ZOjRVXWVXeI2PF7TmSrOroPqD3ncYVsEV > g=]You > can also order a first-edition autographed copy. > > > [http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1109618070987&s=166919&e=001tD0Lyfq > NagjQqgKa_HCRszWwUdDWGngdWD-0e5zwaTpYFI_ECQtC2JebVQKUYcYU4yEok1UB > C_jv8fFX6exR13qQ58_i9zJtN685j92WVI-8esqgxQ_bugyExLYRHvAZPX2jPqKUy > aBU3cHhgKa-Xk1EcRyUxYGf]Find out more about Scott on > his website. > [http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1109618070987&s=166919&e=001tD0Lyfq > Nagj1MQbrPNEG69JSVHc4UJHCl2KleX0jfXoAoNImiE34WsH_ArRy36i_Qn83RVw0 > GXtBbbo5R4xKTxjIrJK1ST53jspl9muiIKlREzP-2HW61g==]Please join me > in congratulating Scott on the publication of his new book, and > share > the good news with your friends and colleagues. > > Andrew Friedman > President and CEO > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~A national nonprofit since 1948 - > LearningAlly.org > [http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1109618070987&s=166919&e=001tD0Lyfq > NagiQZCsDWlrdetdQdKP_wDLTX5xSkrhcsTpMcXR_xLGp86giSMPR75TN3zzjusiv > KcEaUd44B9fGiG606XmR2BynQJPNGp-OosouDBAFn0Zpyg==]~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > C2012 Learning Ally, Inc. 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Thanks, Joshua On 4/7/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > I'm not sure. I met him in person when he spoke at the 2009 Braille > Challenge, but that was not an NFB-related event. I remember Dr. Maurer > mentioning him in the 2009 banquet speech, so he may be in the NFB, but I > don't know. > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 9:13 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] FW: Scott MacIntyre: "By Faith, Not By Sight" > > I'm interested in this book! > I hope, he'll attend our national convention! > Is he in the NFB? > Thanks, Joshua > > On 4/7/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> It is I'm sure. Has anyone read it or planning to? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Chris Nusbaum >> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 9:35 PM >> To: NFB NABS list ; MDABS List ; NFB Blind Talk list >> Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Scott MacIntyre: "By Faith, Not By Sight" >> >> This sounds like a very interesting book: >> From: Learning Ally > To: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com >> sent: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 17:28:59 -0400 (EDT) >> Subject: Scott MacIntyre: "By Faith, Not By Sight" >> >> Having trouble viewing this email? >> Click here to view this email as a webpage. >> http://campaign.r20.constantcontact.com/render?llr=dpqs87bab&v=00 >> 1Xj-HQOIjbAXvi-zUPLc_0wT9FyoeBgq6NWfmkgkSGXRiduHW_U34_BSybhKk84Ly >> HueCXeb1usrPbK1vNwV7IpjFJOOHRyMkvuV_ihWKvbFHS9aphaDvU-hx08H-Bpa0Q >> MEl_W-7gJLe1J5Zo8FjmPCDBoNiKaHdgSCQbaQ3dXCoZj34WSP0Cbh89C-OnLRArk >> 5-lBC_5uAy-YIE4VQ5J32oaib-X1CkQMA9QiOf70C1KkuXYdk5DM-4Dt8tBxqTjQ1 >> 3dQJP1b2Q6ZTUaQZ_6ziuBDVKnwcuaCqNA_3JyeePl0ZwVO886UL11DDMaf1Dkt_U >> 6PdTTjOawz9G-tS4hMGZgvzCFB9I7tsxyRIY7jZqO1cTq05XKBrChUpHhzk27lI4_ >> kZySV773MV90OA7s52nZ5k6xywk >> You're receiving this email because of your relationship with Learning >> Ally.. Please confirm your continued interest in receiving email from >> us. >> http://visitor.r20.constantcontact.com/c.jsp?llr=dpqs87bab&t=1109 >> 618070987.166919.58419719.2&m=1101553811939&wl=F >> You only have to do this once. You may unsubscribe >> http://visitor.constantcontact.com/do?p=un&mse=001dIwt-snT0UA-2Jd >> DdlDy6BHizdWX5as4AsZxvMXx_Xc%3D&t=001MS71bfVN5sX081cmA3HEdw%3D%3D >> &lang=001FCSs65SMrsI%3D&reason=001y5KaVlBn7_Y%3D&llr=dpqs87bab >> if you no longer wish to receive our emails. >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> Dear Members & Friends, >> >> I am delighted to share good news about a close friend and long-time >> member of Learning Ally, Scott MacIntyre. Well known around the world >> as the first ever blind finalist on "American Idol," Scott has a >> special connection to Learning >> Ally: he was a National >> Achievement Award winner in 2005, keynoted our NAA celebration in >> Washington, DC last year, and continues to be a great celebrity >> advocate for our mission. >> >> Scott has just released a new book, By Faith, Not By Sight. We plan >> to record it soon for Learning Ally members. In this autobiographical >> book, Scott talks about how he overcame his disability, how he made it >> in the music industry, how he found the love of his life, and how he >> learned that in all things, we can truly achieve our dreams. >> >> By Faith, Not By Sight Cover Image >> [http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1109618070987&s=166919&e=001tD0Lyfq >> NaghaZW2_nIorN5G-ajlKJiPuOwAIrZOyT2JAWMSUfluyZ0hXRjpabesKKLZnJRpy >> pmXTsTpDbQEhZ-Pw_Mdg-HoHhkSartMK4FFE_ufTGi7WAb2LJ7V8huRlDGdMT57Pt >> GBXRjoDYnWLXFVfSqIhaTNBFWw3y9zK8ZOjRVXWVXeI2PF7TmSrOroPqD3ncYVsEV >> g=]What many people may not know is that at 19 years old, Scott faced >> a life-threatening illness and almost lost his life. His contagious >> spirit of optimism and heartfelt stories will take you on an emotional >> journey of love and yearning, hardship and hope, from someone who >> deeply understands the challenge of overcoming enormous adversity - by >> faith, not by sight. Here is a description from the book jacket: >> >> "Is it possible to be high on a mountain and deep in a valley at the >> same time? >> "This isn't a riddle, it's Scott MacIntyre's life. Each time his >> dreams come true, Scott finds his nightmares not far behind. Some >> call it Murphy's Law. Others call it bad luck. Scott has learned to >> call it a blessing, even when circumstances have threatened to take >> everything away. >> >> Scott MacIntyre in DC >> [http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1109618070987&s=166919&e=001tD0Lyfq >> Nagj1MQbrPNEG69JSVHc4UJHCl2KleX0jfXoAoNImiE34WsH_ArRy36i_Qn83RVw0 >> GXtBbbo5R4xKTxjIrJK1ST53jspl9muiIKlREzP-2HW61g==]"Outstanding >> graduate. Marshall scholar. Recording artist. Inspirational >> speaker. >> American Idol. Blind from birth, Scott has had to work harder and >> longer to achieve his goals. But when a silent killer begins to >> undermine his success, Scott cannot work it out alone. Once again, he >> must lean on his faith, his close-knit family, and the life-giving aid >> of friends to survive. >> >> "Follow Scott's roller-coaster ride to see how the mountains and >> valleys in his life gave him perspective, hope, and ultimately >> triumph." >> >> Scott's book, "By Faith, Not By Sight", can be ordered from Amazon. >> >> >> [http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1109618070987&s=166919&e=001tD0Lyfq >> NaghaZW2_nIorN5G-ajlKJiPuOwAIrZOyT2JAWMSUfluyZ0hXRjpabesKKLZnJRpy >> pmXTsTpDbQEhZ-Pw_Mdg-HoHhkSartMK4FFE_ufTGi7WAb2LJ7V8huRlDGdMT57Pt >> GBXRjoDYnWLXFVfSqIhaTNBFWw3y9zK8ZOjRVXWVXeI2PF7TmSrOroPqD3ncYVsEV >> g=]You >> can also order a first-edition autographed copy. >> >> >> [http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1109618070987&s=166919&e=001tD0Lyfq >> NagjQqgKa_HCRszWwUdDWGngdWD-0e5zwaTpYFI_ECQtC2JebVQKUYcYU4yEok1UB >> C_jv8fFX6exR13qQ58_i9zJtN685j92WVI-8esqgxQ_bugyExLYRHvAZPX2jPqKUy >> aBU3cHhgKa-Xk1EcRyUxYGf]Find out more about Scott on >> his website. >> [http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1109618070987&s=166919&e=001tD0Lyfq >> Nagj1MQbrPNEG69JSVHc4UJHCl2KleX0jfXoAoNImiE34WsH_ArRy36i_Qn83RVw0 >> GXtBbbo5R4xKTxjIrJK1ST53jspl9muiIKlREzP-2HW61g==]Please join me >> in congratulating Scott on the publication of his new book, and >> share >> the good news with your friends and colleagues. >> >> Andrew Friedman >> President and CEO >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~A national nonprofit since 1948 - >> LearningAlly.org >> [http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1109618070987&s=166919&e=001tD0Lyfq >> NagiQZCsDWlrdetdQdKP_wDLTX5xSkrhcsTpMcXR_xLGp86giSMPR75TN3zzjusiv >> KcEaUd44B9fGiG606XmR2BynQJPNGp-OosouDBAFn0Zpyg==]~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> C2012 Learning Ally, Inc. All rights reserved. >> LearningAlly(TM), Making reading accessible for all(TM), the >> "Access" icon, Recording for the Blind & DyslexicR, RFB&DR and >> all trademarks and service marks are owned by Learning Ally, Inc. >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Forward this email >> http://ui.constantcontact.com/sa/fwtf.jsp?llr=dpqs87bab&m=1101553 >> 811939&ea=dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com&a=1109618070987 >> >> >> This email was sent to dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com by >> enews at learningally.org. >> >> Update Profile/Email Address >> http://visitor.constantcontact.com/do?p=oo&mse=001dIwt-snT0UA-2Jd >> DdlDy6BHizdWX5as4AsZxvMXx_Xc%3D&t=001MS71bfVN5sX081cmA3HEdw%3D%3D >> &lang=001FCSs65SMrsI%3D&reason=001y5KaVlBn7_Y%3D&llr=dpqs87bab >> >> >> Instant removal with SafeUnsubscribe(TM) >> http://visitor.constantcontact.com/do?p=un&mse=001dIwt-snT0UA-2Jd >> DdlDy6BHizdWX5as4AsZxvMXx_Xc%3D&t=001MS71bfVN5sX081cmA3HEdw%3D%3D >> &lang=001FCSs65SMrsI%3D&reason=001y5KaVlBn7_Y%3D&llr=dpqs87bab >> >> >> Privacy Policy: >> http://ui.constantcontact.com/roving/CCPrivacyPolicy.jsp >> >> >> >> >> Learning Ally | 20 Roszel Road | Princeton | NJ | 08540 >> >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. > net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p > ccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Apr 8 19:55:05 2012 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 12:55:05 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] sunday's quote: so true Message-ID: <79B61CEF-C993-4DF7-A777-8531D5282228@gmail.com> No one can make you feel inferior without your consent Eleanor Roosevelt From amylsabo at comcast.net Sun Apr 8 20:37:41 2012 From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 14:37:41 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Scott MacIntyre: "By Faith, Not By Sight" In-Reply-To: <000501cd1526$d79291e0$86b7b5a0$@gmail.com> References: <4f73bc5d.4ad4e00a.6227.ffffc4ac@mx.google.com> <01AC517D8FDA4ABE9980E020E96996DA@OwnerPC> <000501cd1526$d79291e0$86b7b5a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <005301cd15c7$72d72530$58856f90$@comcast.net> Hello all, No, scott isn't in the nfb at all. But, I'm sure that if he was be a major member of it. I met him many years ago in the summer of1998 when we were both on a panal talking about ouer lives in living with a rare retinal degenerative disease. It was a conference for the foiundation fighting blindness. I hope this helps you all out. Hugs, amyq -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 7:28 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] FW: Scott MacIntyre: "By Faith, Not By Sight" I'm not sure. I met him in person when he spoke at the 2009 Braille Challenge, but that was not an NFB-related event. I remember Dr. Maurer mentioning him in the 2009 banquet speech, so he may be in the NFB, but I don't know. Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 9:13 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] FW: Scott MacIntyre: "By Faith, Not By Sight" I'm interested in this book! I hope, he'll attend our national convention! Is he in the NFB? Thanks, Joshua On 4/7/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > It is I'm sure. Has anyone read it or planning to? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 9:35 PM > To: NFB NABS list ; MDABS List ; NFB Blind Talk list > Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Scott MacIntyre: "By Faith, Not By Sight" > > This sounds like a very interesting book: > From: Learning Ally To: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com > sent: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 17:28:59 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Scott MacIntyre: "By Faith, Not By Sight" > > Having trouble viewing this email? > Click here to view this email as a webpage. > http://campaign.r20.constantcontact.com/render?llr=dpqs87bab&v=00 > 1Xj-HQOIjbAXvi-zUPLc_0wT9FyoeBgq6NWfmkgkSGXRiduHW_U34_BSybhKk84Ly > HueCXeb1usrPbK1vNwV7IpjFJOOHRyMkvuV_ihWKvbFHS9aphaDvU-hx08H-Bpa0Q > MEl_W-7gJLe1J5Zo8FjmPCDBoNiKaHdgSCQbaQ3dXCoZj34WSP0Cbh89C-OnLRArk > 5-lBC_5uAy-YIE4VQ5J32oaib-X1CkQMA9QiOf70C1KkuXYdk5DM-4Dt8tBxqTjQ1 > 3dQJP1b2Q6ZTUaQZ_6ziuBDVKnwcuaCqNA_3JyeePl0ZwVO886UL11DDMaf1Dkt_U > 6PdTTjOawz9G-tS4hMGZgvzCFB9I7tsxyRIY7jZqO1cTq05XKBrChUpHhzk27lI4_ > kZySV773MV90OA7s52nZ5k6xywk > You're receiving this email because of your relationship with Learning > Ally.. Please confirm your continued interest in receiving email from > us. > http://visitor.r20.constantcontact.com/c.jsp?llr=dpqs87bab&t=1109 > 618070987.166919.58419719.2&m=1101553811939&wl=F > You only have to do this once. You may unsubscribe > http://visitor.constantcontact.com/do?p=un&mse=001dIwt-snT0UA-2Jd > DdlDy6BHizdWX5as4AsZxvMXx_Xc%3D&t=001MS71bfVN5sX081cmA3HEdw%3D%3D > &lang=001FCSs65SMrsI%3D&reason=001y5KaVlBn7_Y%3D&llr=dpqs87bab > if you no longer wish to receive our emails. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Dear Members & Friends, > > I am delighted to share good news about a close friend and long-time > member of Learning Ally, Scott MacIntyre. Well known around the world > as the first ever blind finalist on "American Idol," Scott has a > special connection to Learning > Ally: he was a National > Achievement Award winner in 2005, keynoted our NAA celebration in > Washington, DC last year, and continues to be a great celebrity > advocate for our mission. > > Scott has just released a new book, By Faith, Not By Sight. We plan > to record it soon for Learning Ally members. In this autobiographical > book, Scott talks about how he overcame his disability, how he made it > in the music industry, how he found the love of his life, and how he > learned that in all things, we can truly achieve our dreams. > > By Faith, Not By Sight Cover Image > [http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1109618070987&s=166919&e=001tD0Lyfq > NaghaZW2_nIorN5G-ajlKJiPuOwAIrZOyT2JAWMSUfluyZ0hXRjpabesKKLZnJRpy > pmXTsTpDbQEhZ-Pw_Mdg-HoHhkSartMK4FFE_ufTGi7WAb2LJ7V8huRlDGdMT57Pt > GBXRjoDYnWLXFVfSqIhaTNBFWw3y9zK8ZOjRVXWVXeI2PF7TmSrOroPqD3ncYVsEV > g=]What many people may not know is that at 19 years old, Scott faced > a life-threatening illness and almost lost his life. His contagious > spirit of optimism and heartfelt stories will take you on an emotional > journey of love and yearning, hardship and hope, from someone who > deeply understands the challenge of overcoming enormous adversity - by > faith, not by sight. Here is a description from the book jacket: > > "Is it possible to be high on a mountain and deep in a valley at the > same time? > "This isn't a riddle, it's Scott MacIntyre's life. Each time his > dreams come true, Scott finds his nightmares not far behind. Some > call it Murphy's Law. Others call it bad luck. Scott has learned to > call it a blessing, even when circumstances have threatened to take > everything away. > > Scott MacIntyre in DC > [http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1109618070987&s=166919&e=001tD0Lyfq > Nagj1MQbrPNEG69JSVHc4UJHCl2KleX0jfXoAoNImiE34WsH_ArRy36i_Qn83RVw0 > GXtBbbo5R4xKTxjIrJK1ST53jspl9muiIKlREzP-2HW61g==]"Outstanding > graduate. Marshall scholar. Recording artist. Inspirational > speaker. > American Idol. Blind from birth, Scott has had to work harder and > longer to achieve his goals. But when a silent killer begins to > undermine his success, Scott cannot work it out alone. Once again, he > must lean on his faith, his close-knit family, and the life-giving aid > of friends to survive. > > "Follow Scott's roller-coaster ride to see how the mountains and > valleys in his life gave him perspective, hope, and ultimately > triumph." > > Scott's book, "By Faith, Not By Sight", can be ordered from Amazon. > > > [http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1109618070987&s=166919&e=001tD0Lyfq > NaghaZW2_nIorN5G-ajlKJiPuOwAIrZOyT2JAWMSUfluyZ0hXRjpabesKKLZnJRpy > pmXTsTpDbQEhZ-Pw_Mdg-HoHhkSartMK4FFE_ufTGi7WAb2LJ7V8huRlDGdMT57Pt > GBXRjoDYnWLXFVfSqIhaTNBFWw3y9zK8ZOjRVXWVXeI2PF7TmSrOroPqD3ncYVsEV > g=]You > can also order a first-edition autographed copy. > > > [http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1109618070987&s=166919&e=001tD0Lyfq > NagjQqgKa_HCRszWwUdDWGngdWD-0e5zwaTpYFI_ECQtC2JebVQKUYcYU4yEok1UB > C_jv8fFX6exR13qQ58_i9zJtN685j92WVI-8esqgxQ_bugyExLYRHvAZPX2jPqKUy > aBU3cHhgKa-Xk1EcRyUxYGf]Find out more about Scott on his website. > [http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1109618070987&s=166919&e=001tD0Lyfq > Nagj1MQbrPNEG69JSVHc4UJHCl2KleX0jfXoAoNImiE34WsH_ArRy36i_Qn83RVw0 > GXtBbbo5R4xKTxjIrJK1ST53jspl9muiIKlREzP-2HW61g==]Please join me in > congratulating Scott on the publication of his new book, and share the > good news with your friends and colleagues. > > Andrew Friedman > President and CEO > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~A national nonprofit since 1948 - LearningAlly.org > [http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1109618070987&s=166919&e=001tD0Lyfq > NagiQZCsDWlrdetdQdKP_wDLTX5xSkrhcsTpMcXR_xLGp86giSMPR75TN3zzjusiv > KcEaUd44B9fGiG606XmR2BynQJPNGp-OosouDBAFn0Zpyg==]~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > C2012 Learning Ally, Inc. 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I think it will be aawesome book to read! Hugs, amy To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] FW: Scott MacIntyre: "By Faith, Not By Sight" It is I'm sure. Has anyone read it or planning to? -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 9:35 PM To: NFB NABS list ; MDABS List ; NFB Blind Talk list Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Scott MacIntyre: "By Faith, Not By Sight" This sounds like a very interesting book: From: Learning Ally Hello All, For all you students studying education, this question is for you. I was just wondering how you filled out Bloom's, Gardner's, and Marzano's taxonamy tables using a screen reader? I have to fill out each for my unit and lesson plan for my general methods of instruction class. Thank You Brianna On 3/28/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > This sounds like a very interesting book: > From: Learning Ally To: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com > sent: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 17:28:59 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Scott MacIntyre: "By Faith, Not By Sight" > > Having trouble viewing this email? > Click here to view this email as a webpage. > http://campaign.r20.constantcontact.com/render?llr=dpqs87bab&v=00 > 1Xj-HQOIjbAXvi-zUPLc_0wT9FyoeBgq6NWfmkgkSGXRiduHW_U34_BSybhKk84Ly > HueCXeb1usrPbK1vNwV7IpjFJOOHRyMkvuV_ihWKvbFHS9aphaDvU-hx08H-Bpa0Q > MEl_W-7gJLe1J5Zo8FjmPCDBoNiKaHdgSCQbaQ3dXCoZj34WSP0Cbh89C-OnLRArk > 5-lBC_5uAy-YIE4VQ5J32oaib-X1CkQMA9QiOf70C1KkuXYdk5DM-4Dt8tBxqTjQ1 > 3dQJP1b2Q6ZTUaQZ_6ziuBDVKnwcuaCqNA_3JyeePl0ZwVO886UL11DDMaf1Dkt_U > 6PdTTjOawz9G-tS4hMGZgvzCFB9I7tsxyRIY7jZqO1cTq05XKBrChUpHhzk27lI4_ > kZySV773MV90OA7s52nZ5k6xywk > You're receiving this email because of your relationship with > Learning Ally.. Please confirm your continued interest in > receiving email from us. > http://visitor.r20.constantcontact.com/c.jsp?llr=dpqs87bab&t=1109 > 618070987.166919.58419719.2&m=1101553811939&wl=F > You only have to do this once. You may unsubscribe > http://visitor.constantcontact.com/do?p=un&mse=001dIwt-snT0UA-2Jd > DdlDy6BHizdWX5as4AsZxvMXx_Xc%3D&t=001MS71bfVN5sX081cmA3HEdw%3D%3D > &lang=001FCSs65SMrsI%3D&reason=001y5KaVlBn7_Y%3D&llr=dpqs87bab > if you no longer wish to receive our emails. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Dear Members & Friends, > > I am delighted to share good news about a close friend and > long-time member of Learning > Ally, Scott MacIntyre. Well known around the world as the first > ever blind finalist > on "American Idol," Scott has a special connection to Learning > Ally: he was a National > Achievement Award winner in 2005, keynoted our NAA celebration in > Washington, DC > last year, and continues to be a great celebrity advocate for > our mission. > > Scott has just released a new book, By Faith, Not By Sight. We > plan to record it > soon for Learning Ally members. In this autobiographical book, > Scott talks about > how he overcame his disability, how he made it in the music > industry, how he found > the love of his life, and how he learned that in all things, we > can truly achieve > our dreams. > > By Faith, Not By Sight Cover Image > [http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1109618070987&s=166919&e=001tD0Lyfq > NaghaZW2_nIorN5G-ajlKJiPuOwAIrZOyT2JAWMSUfluyZ0hXRjpabesKKLZnJRpy > pmXTsTpDbQEhZ-Pw_Mdg-HoHhkSartMK4FFE_ufTGi7WAb2LJ7V8huRlDGdMT57Pt > GBXRjoDYnWLXFVfSqIhaTNBFWw3y9zK8ZOjRVXWVXeI2PF7TmSrOroPqD3ncYVsEV > g=]What many people may not know is that at 19 years old, Scott > faced a life-threatening > illness and almost lost his life. His contagious spirit of > optimism and heartfelt > stories will take you on an emotional journey of love and > yearning, hardship and > hope, from someone who deeply understands the challenge of > overcoming enormous > adversity - by faith, not by sight. Here is a description from > the book jacket: > > "Is it possible to be high on a mountain and deep in a valley at > the same time? > "This isn't a riddle, it's Scott MacIntyre's life. Each time his > dreams come true, > Scott finds his nightmares not far behind. Some call it Murphy's > Law. Others call > it bad luck. Scott has learned to call it a blessing, even when > circumstances have > threatened to take everything away. > > Scott MacIntyre in DC > [http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1109618070987&s=166919&e=001tD0Lyfq > Nagj1MQbrPNEG69JSVHc4UJHCl2KleX0jfXoAoNImiE34WsH_ArRy36i_Qn83RVw0 > GXtBbbo5R4xKTxjIrJK1ST53jspl9muiIKlREzP-2HW61g==]"Outstanding > graduate. Marshall scholar. Recording artist. Inspirational > speaker. > American Idol. Blind from birth, Scott has had to work harder > and longer to achieve > his goals. But when a silent killer begins to undermine his > success, Scott cannot > work it out alone. Once again, he must lean on his faith, his > close-knit family, > and the life-giving aid of friends to survive. > > "Follow Scott's roller-coaster ride to see how the mountains and > valleys in his > life gave him perspective, hope, and ultimately triumph." > > Scott's book, "By Faith, Not By Sight", can be ordered from > Amazon. > > > [http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1109618070987&s=166919&e=001tD0Lyfq > NaghaZW2_nIorN5G-ajlKJiPuOwAIrZOyT2JAWMSUfluyZ0hXRjpabesKKLZnJRpy > pmXTsTpDbQEhZ-Pw_Mdg-HoHhkSartMK4FFE_ufTGi7WAb2LJ7V8huRlDGdMT57Pt > GBXRjoDYnWLXFVfSqIhaTNBFWw3y9zK8ZOjRVXWVXeI2PF7TmSrOroPqD3ncYVsEV > g=]You > can also order a first-edition autographed copy. > > > [http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1109618070987&s=166919&e=001tD0Lyfq > NagjQqgKa_HCRszWwUdDWGngdWD-0e5zwaTpYFI_ECQtC2JebVQKUYcYU4yEok1UB > C_jv8fFX6exR13qQ58_i9zJtN685j92WVI-8esqgxQ_bugyExLYRHvAZPX2jPqKUy > aBU3cHhgKa-Xk1EcRyUxYGf]Find out more about Scott on > his website. > [http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1109618070987&s=166919&e=001tD0Lyfq > Nagj1MQbrPNEG69JSVHc4UJHCl2KleX0jfXoAoNImiE34WsH_ArRy36i_Qn83RVw0 > GXtBbbo5R4xKTxjIrJK1ST53jspl9muiIKlREzP-2HW61g==]Please join me > in congratulating Scott on the publication of his new book, and > share > the good news with your friends and colleagues. > > Andrew Friedman > President and CEO > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~A national nonprofit since 1948 - > LearningAlly.org > [http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1109618070987&s=166919&e=001tD0Lyfq > NagiQZCsDWlrdetdQdKP_wDLTX5xSkrhcsTpMcXR_xLGp86giSMPR75TN3zzjusiv > KcEaUd44B9fGiG606XmR2BynQJPNGp-OosouDBAFn0Zpyg==]~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > ©2012 Learning Ally, Inc. All rights reserved. > LearningAlly(TM), Making reading accessible for all(TM), the > "Access" icon, Recording for the Blind & Dyslexic®, RFB&D® and > all trademarks and service marks are owned by Learning Ally, Inc. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Forward this email > http://ui.constantcontact.com/sa/fwtf.jsp?llr=dpqs87bab&m=1101553 > 811939&ea=dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com&a=1109618070987 > > > This email was sent to dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com by > enews at learningally.org. > > Update Profile/Email Address > http://visitor.constantcontact.com/do?p=oo&mse=001dIwt-snT0UA-2Jd > DdlDy6BHizdWX5as4AsZxvMXx_Xc%3D&t=001MS71bfVN5sX081cmA3HEdw%3D%3D > &lang=001FCSs65SMrsI%3D&reason=001y5KaVlBn7_Y%3D&llr=dpqs87bab > > > Instant removal with SafeUnsubscribe(TM) > http://visitor.constantcontact.com/do?p=un&mse=001dIwt-snT0UA-2Jd > DdlDy6BHizdWX5as4AsZxvMXx_Xc%3D&t=001MS71bfVN5sX081cmA3HEdw%3D%3D > &lang=001FCSs65SMrsI%3D&reason=001y5KaVlBn7_Y%3D&llr=dpqs87bab > > > Privacy Policy: > http://ui.constantcontact.com/roving/CCPrivacyPolicy.jsp > > > > > Learning Ally | 20 Roszel Road | Princeton | NJ | 08540 > > > Chris Nusbaum > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bfs1206%40gmail.com > -- Brianna Scerenscko From gpaikens at gmail.com Mon Apr 9 03:30:20 2012 From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 23:30:20 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Filling Out Taxonamy Tables For Lesson Plans In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8703FF1C-04F9-4C74-B632-477EF54CB5E4@gmail.com> Hi Brianna, I am familiar with these taxonomies but am not quite sure what you need to do as far as filling out tables with them. Do you have a sample blank lesson plan with these taxonomy tables in them? I could give them a look and make some suggestions. Also, what screen reader and word processor are you using? That might make a difference. -Greg On Apr 8, 2012, at 11:14 PM, Brianna Scerenscko wrote: > Hello All, > For all you students studying education, this question is for you. > I was just wondering how you filled out Bloom's, Gardner's, and > Marzano's taxonamy tables using a screen reader? I have to fill out > each for my unit and lesson plan for my general methods of instruction > class. > > Thank You > > Brianna > > > On 3/28/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> This sounds like a very interesting book: >> From: Learning Ally > To: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com >> sent: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 17:28:59 -0400 (EDT) >> Subject: Scott MacIntyre: "By Faith, Not By Sight" >> >> Having trouble viewing this email? >> Click here to view this email as a webpage. >> http://campaign.r20.constantcontact.com/render?llr=dpqs87bab&v=00 >> 1Xj-HQOIjbAXvi-zUPLc_0wT9FyoeBgq6NWfmkgkSGXRiduHW_U34_BSybhKk84Ly >> HueCXeb1usrPbK1vNwV7IpjFJOOHRyMkvuV_ihWKvbFHS9aphaDvU-hx08H-Bpa0Q >> MEl_W-7gJLe1J5Zo8FjmPCDBoNiKaHdgSCQbaQ3dXCoZj34WSP0Cbh89C-OnLRArk >> 5-lBC_5uAy-YIE4VQ5J32oaib-X1CkQMA9QiOf70C1KkuXYdk5DM-4Dt8tBxqTjQ1 >> 3dQJP1b2Q6ZTUaQZ_6ziuBDVKnwcuaCqNA_3JyeePl0ZwVO886UL11DDMaf1Dkt_U >> 6PdTTjOawz9G-tS4hMGZgvzCFB9I7tsxyRIY7jZqO1cTq05XKBrChUpHhzk27lI4_ >> kZySV773MV90OA7s52nZ5k6xywk >> You're receiving this email because of your relationship with >> Learning Ally.. Please confirm your continued interest in >> receiving email from us. >> http://visitor.r20.constantcontact.com/c.jsp?llr=dpqs87bab&t=1109 >> 618070987.166919.58419719.2&m=1101553811939&wl=F >> You only have to do this once. You may unsubscribe >> http://visitor.constantcontact.com/do?p=un&mse=001dIwt-snT0UA-2Jd >> DdlDy6BHizdWX5as4AsZxvMXx_Xc%3D&t=001MS71bfVN5sX081cmA3HEdw%3D%3D >> &lang=001FCSs65SMrsI%3D&reason=001y5KaVlBn7_Y%3D&llr=dpqs87bab >> if you no longer wish to receive our emails. >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> Dear Members & Friends, >> >> I am delighted to share good news about a close friend and >> long-time member of Learning >> Ally, Scott MacIntyre. Well known around the world as the first >> ever blind finalist >> on "American Idol," Scott has a special connection to Learning >> Ally: he was a National >> Achievement Award winner in 2005, keynoted our NAA celebration in >> Washington, DC >> last year, and continues to be a great celebrity advocate for >> our mission. >> >> Scott has just released a new book, By Faith, Not By Sight. We >> plan to record it >> soon for Learning Ally members. 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Here is a description from >> the book jacket: >> >> "Is it possible to be high on a mountain and deep in a valley at >> the same time? >> "This isn't a riddle, it's Scott MacIntyre's life. Each time his >> dreams come true, >> Scott finds his nightmares not far behind. Some call it Murphy's >> Law. Others call >> it bad luck. Scott has learned to call it a blessing, even when >> circumstances have >> threatened to take everything away. >> >> Scott MacIntyre in DC >> [http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1109618070987&s=166919&e=001tD0Lyfq >> Nagj1MQbrPNEG69JSVHc4UJHCl2KleX0jfXoAoNImiE34WsH_ArRy36i_Qn83RVw0 >> GXtBbbo5R4xKTxjIrJK1ST53jspl9muiIKlREzP-2HW61g==]"Outstanding >> graduate. Marshall scholar. Recording artist. Inspirational >> speaker. >> American Idol. Blind from birth, Scott has had to work harder >> and longer to achieve >> his goals. But when a silent killer begins to undermine his >> success, Scott cannot >> work it out alone. 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Instead, in situations where something like that was useful, I simply created a handout containing key points and quotes. My discipline is philosophy, though, so Powerpoint isn't quite as common. I can't think of a way that you could display the slides while reading your notes on a single machine. You'd need a second device, either another laptop or some kind of portable device like an iDevice. I do think reading it word for word is perfectly fine when it's written and read in a particular way, just as you describe. I often do this as well and for the same reasons as you. What I was criticizing is the all too common practice at conferences of academics standing at the front and reading their papers, papers that are written for journals. I'm sure you've seen that, and I don't know about you, but it almost always forces me to fight to stay awake. Cheers, Marc On 2012-04-07, at 11:11 AM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi Marc, > I'm curious to know how you access your presentation notes/prompts on > your laptop while also displaying the PowerPoint slides at the same > time? Do you have to toggle continuously between the notes pane and > the slide show or is there a way to read your notes with JAWS while > simultaneously displaying the slides on the projector? > While Braille has historically worked best for me, I am open to > learning new methods especially if I end up in a situation where I > don't have the time or resources to transcribe my notes in advance. > What I have started doing recently is to prepare my PowerPoint > presentation and then write out what I will be saying. I do read word > for word from this transcript, but I write it in colloquial language > (literally as if I were speaking out loud) and then when I read it, it > doesn't sound like I'm reading from a book or handout. I originally > tried doing my presentations more free-form just using prompts, but I > found that often the delivery was awkward or I would forget key > points, especially if the presentation was in front of important > people evaluating my work (professors etc.) which would make me > nervous. If I can prepare exactly what I am going to say in advance > and then just rely on the transcript in the moment when everyone is > watching, the delivery tends to go much better and the audience can > stay on my train of thought. However that is just my personal style. > Best, > Arielle > > On 4/7/12, Niall Gallagher wrote: >> Hi Marc, >> >> Your contribution is very helpful and I greatly appreciate it. >> I have contacted the Hadley School for the Blind in order to obtain >> materials to investigate the practice of learning and reading brail. >> I have used my iPhone to learn my presentation, but I have yet to include it >> in my actual presentation. >> Keeping sentences short is the key, it has often happened me in rehearsals >> that I have had to stop mid-point and start again. >> >> I couldn't agree more that poer point slides should only be a supplement to >> the overall presentation. >> I am by no stretch of the imagination am experienced presenter, but it is so >> frustrating when someone begins their presentation by saying " and today >> I'll be reading this handout ". >> >> Again, I really appreciate your contribution and on this occasion I think >> technology will represent my presentation aid. >> >> Kindest regards, >> >> Niall. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Apr 7, 2012, at 12:15 AM, Marc Workman wrote: >> >>> Braille is useful, provided you have the time and energy to learn it. I've >>> done presentations using Braille in the past. I've also used screen >>> readers on computers and have recently used nothing but my iPhone and >>> bluetooth earpiece. I no longer bother with Braille because I've found >>> other methods less time consuming and more effective. I've lectured at >>> college and university, presented at conferences, and testified at a >>> Parliamentary legislative committee, and all without Braille. I'm not >>> disparaging the use of Braille. If you can learn it and use it, all the >>> power to you, I regret how much I resisted learning it as I was growing >>> up, but you also shouldn't be made to feel that it is necessary in order >>> to give a good presentation. And I realize no one said that it was >>> necessary, but I think it's worth explicitly stating that it isn't. >>> >>> If you use powerpoint, and it sounds like you will, you shouldn't simply >>> read what's on the screen. Powerpoint is meant to supplement your >>> presentation, not to be your presentation. In fact, you shouldn't read the >>> presentation at all, unless you can read it in such a way that it doesn't >>> actually sound like you're reading it. There is nothing worse than someone >>> standing up at the front reading a paper, and it's unbelievable how often >>> this happens at conferences. >>> >>> Instead, if you really know the material, you can write down a few words >>> to prompt you and keep you on track during the presentation. This is a >>> little riskier and scarier because you have to form the sentences in your >>> head rather than reading nice, complete, well organized sentences from a >>> document, and you're more likely to jump a head of yourself when you're >>> not simply reading a prepared presentation, but doing it this way sounds >>> more natural and will be more engaging to your audience. >>> >>> You can listen to these prompting words with jaws on your own laptop and >>> simply use the keyboard or a remote to move from slide to slide on the >>> school's laptop, or you can do the same with Voiceover on your iPhone. >>> just indicate in your notes when to switch to the next slide. >>> >>> The trick for listening and speaking at the same time is to keep each line >>> of text to only a few words. If you try to listen to a complete line of >>> text and say it back, you'll get half way through and then have to pause >>> and listen again to get the second half of the line. If each line has only >>> four or five words, though, you can keep them in your head while you're >>> saying them, then simply arrow down or flick right to get to the next line >>> and begin speaking what you here. >>> >>> It can take a bit of practice to get the hang of this, and you'll still >>> want to rehearse the presentation before you deliver it, but this >>> presentation method can allow you to read long passages word for word, or >>> even the entire presentation, without a lot of prep time. It's important >>> to try to break the sentence up at places where you might pause briefly >>> anyway, otherwise, you can have slight pauses that might sound awkward, >>> and this is the part that takes a bit of practice, but it really doesn't >>> take very long to figure out how to break things up in a way that works >>> for you. >>> >>> Hope that's helpful. >>> >>> Marc >>> On 2012-04-05, at 12:57 PM, Niall Gallagher wrote: >>> >>>> Thank you very much for your suggestion Arielle. >>>> At present you are in the field of which I hope to become part of. >>>> A post graduate degree seems very likely, as I want to further my studies >>>> and possibly involve myself in the teaching profession. >>>> >>>> When I think about it, the activity of learning brail couldn't have come >>>> at a better time. >>>> My placement is 4 months long and I will have a considerable amount of >>>> free time in the evenings, so I will certainly investigate this avenue >>>> further. >>>> >>>> I guess I will arrange something involving the combination of JAWS, >>>> headphones, and a remote for changing the slides..... what can go wrong? >>>> lol >>>> >>>> Thank you once again and I wish you the best of luck in your studies. >>>> >>>> Kindest regards, >>>> >>>> Niall. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Apr 5, 2012, at 7:31 PM, Arielle Silverman >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Niall, >>>>> I am a totally blind grad student and I regularly give research and >>>>> teaching presentations. In my experience it is very hard to remember >>>>> what I want to talk about without using Braille. If you plan to teach >>>>> professionally or go to grad school, I would highly recommend taking a >>>>> few months to teach yourself to read Braille, even just the alphabet >>>>> or "Grade 1" Braille can be tremendously helpful. Hadley School for >>>>> the Blind offers courses and will send you materials in the mail so >>>>> you can learn the alphabet and practice at home. Even if you don't >>>>> plan to teach after this semester, it will really help you in any job >>>>> to know how to read and write Braille. You don't have to be a fast >>>>> reader to use Braille for presentations; just having the notes there >>>>> to jog your memory will keep you from getting tongue-tied or >>>>> forgetting what you want to say. >>>>> In the meantime while you are learning Braille, you can use JAWS with >>>>> an earphone to listen to what's on each slide as you present it. I >>>>> would suggest trying to install your personal copy of JAWS on the >>>>> school's computer or installing a "demo" version. You shouldn't have a >>>>> problem installing your licensed copy on both your school and home >>>>> computers. If you can't do that, then talk to the college about >>>>> bringing your laptop. >>>>> Again, this isn't a great solution since you have to stop at the >>>>> beginning of each slide, listen to JAWS read it to you and then say >>>>> what you want to say. Braille is much much better. But JAWS can work >>>>> in the short term. >>>>> Best, >>>>> Arielle >>>>> >>>>> On 4/5/12, Niall Gallagher wrote: >>>>>> Thank you for the suggestion of using large print. but my vision is at >>>>>> a >>>>>> level that I cannot see any written materials. >>>>>> I use JAWS on Windows and VoiceOver on Mac. >>>>>> The college use windows and wont have JAWS available. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 5, 2012, at 7:06 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" >>>>>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> have someone turn slides for you. have a braille or large print copy >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> the slide you typed. when you want to turn slides, just cue them to >>>>>>> turn >>>>>>> it. >>>>>>> work from your prepared copy and you'll be fine. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Niall Gallagher >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 1:47 PM >>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Presentation Techniques >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sorry guys I didn't want to overwhelm with information, but seems I >>>>>>> did >>>>>>> the opposite :) >>>>>>> I am visually impaired but it is to the extent to which I can't see >>>>>>> Power >>>>>>> Point slides or any presentation aids (flash cards etc). >>>>>>> I use the screen reading package JAWS to create the initial >>>>>>> presentation >>>>>>> slideshow. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I expect not to have any screen reading software pre-installed on the >>>>>>> computer I will be using in class. >>>>>>> I could always use my own laptop, but that would mean changing the >>>>>>> configuration of the projector cables the college has setup. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The presentation is going to be law based, which I studied last year, >>>>>>> but >>>>>>> I am unsure of the topic or any additional information about the >>>>>>> tutorials. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't know or use brail, I primarily work with technology. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I guess what I'm thinking of is, when there is a slide on the >>>>>>> projector >>>>>>> screen, that they can see, what could I do in order to prompt or >>>>>>> assist >>>>>>> myself? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hope this information helps you understand the situation. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kindest regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Niall. >>>>>>> On 5 Apr 2012, at 18:09, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Do you read Braille? If so, do you have a Braille note taking device? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Niall Gallagher" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To: >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 9:32 AM >>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Presentation Techniques >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Everyone,, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am a 3rd Year college student in Ireland. >>>>>>>>> As part of my studies, I must complete a work placement module >>>>>>>>> A part of this module will involve working with a lecturer. >>>>>>>>> Now, for my question, does anyone have any techniques that they may >>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>> for presentations? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have presented in front of a class before, but it has been for a >>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>> brief period of time (no more than 10 minutes). >>>>>>>>> These upcoming presentations will be tutorials (in excess of 30 >>>>>>>>> minutes). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I would appreciate any suggestions members of this list may have. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Kindest regards, >>>>>>>>> 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mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mworkman.lists%40gmail.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Mon Apr 9 04:25:59 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 22:25:59 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Presentation Techniques In-Reply-To: <12E2043F-51C6-4678-9889-37831095665B@gmail.com> References: <42D50AC5-4569-4C1C-B2F5-0719096296A8@gmail.com> <0AF007EEE0614F16939452FC734891F0@stanford.edu> <9CE62D43-3EE3-44E2-B3B1-5893A2FC7152@gmail.com> <6E08C51C-53A6-4BA7-9831-1B354373DE7C@gmail.com> <12E2043F-51C6-4678-9889-37831095665B@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Marc, I don't think I've seen that myself, but I agree it would be awful to listen to someone read a paper word for word. I've definitely seen teachers (like high school teachers) do this with their PowerPoint slides. Arielle On 4/8/12, Marc Workman wrote: > Hi Arielle, > > I haven't used Powerpoint very much. Instead, in situations where something > like that was useful, I simply created a handout containing key points and > quotes. My discipline is philosophy, though, so Powerpoint isn't quite as > common. > > I can't think of a way that you could display the slides while reading your > notes on a single machine. You'd need a second device, either another laptop > or some kind of portable device like an iDevice. > > I do think reading it word for word is perfectly fine when it's written and > read in a particular way, just as you describe. I often do this as well and > for the same reasons as you. What I was criticizing is the all too common > practice at conferences of academics standing at the front and reading their > papers, papers that are written for journals. I'm sure you've seen that, and > I don't know about you, but it almost always forces me to fight to stay > awake. > > Cheers, > > Marc > On 2012-04-07, at 11:11 AM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > >> Hi Marc, >> I'm curious to know how you access your presentation notes/prompts on >> your laptop while also displaying the PowerPoint slides at the same >> time? Do you have to toggle continuously between the notes pane and >> the slide show or is there a way to read your notes with JAWS while >> simultaneously displaying the slides on the projector? >> While Braille has historically worked best for me, I am open to >> learning new methods especially if I end up in a situation where I >> don't have the time or resources to transcribe my notes in advance. >> What I have started doing recently is to prepare my PowerPoint >> presentation and then write out what I will be saying. I do read word >> for word from this transcript, but I write it in colloquial language >> (literally as if I were speaking out loud) and then when I read it, it >> doesn't sound like I'm reading from a book or handout. I originally >> tried doing my presentations more free-form just using prompts, but I >> found that often the delivery was awkward or I would forget key >> points, especially if the presentation was in front of important >> people evaluating my work (professors etc.) which would make me >> nervous. If I can prepare exactly what I am going to say in advance >> and then just rely on the transcript in the moment when everyone is >> watching, the delivery tends to go much better and the audience can >> stay on my train of thought. However that is just my personal style. >> Best, >> Arielle >> >> On 4/7/12, Niall Gallagher wrote: >>> Hi Marc, >>> >>> Your contribution is very helpful and I greatly appreciate it. >>> I have contacted the Hadley School for the Blind in order to obtain >>> materials to investigate the practice of learning and reading brail. >>> I have used my iPhone to learn my presentation, but I have yet to include >>> it >>> in my actual presentation. >>> Keeping sentences short is the key, it has often happened me in >>> rehearsals >>> that I have had to stop mid-point and start again. >>> >>> I couldn't agree more that poer point slides should only be a supplement >>> to >>> the overall presentation. >>> I am by no stretch of the imagination am experienced presenter, but it is >>> so >>> frustrating when someone begins their presentation by saying " and today >>> I'll be reading this handout ". >>> >>> Again, I really appreciate your contribution and on this occasion I think >>> technology will represent my presentation aid. >>> >>> Kindest regards, >>> >>> Niall. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Apr 7, 2012, at 12:15 AM, Marc Workman >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Braille is useful, provided you have the time and energy to learn it. >>>> I've >>>> done presentations using Braille in the past. I've also used screen >>>> readers on computers and have recently used nothing but my iPhone and >>>> bluetooth earpiece. I no longer bother with Braille because I've found >>>> other methods less time consuming and more effective. I've lectured at >>>> college and university, presented at conferences, and testified at a >>>> Parliamentary legislative committee, and all without Braille. I'm not >>>> disparaging the use of Braille. If you can learn it and use it, all the >>>> power to you, I regret how much I resisted learning it as I was growing >>>> up, but you also shouldn't be made to feel that it is necessary in order >>>> to give a good presentation. And I realize no one said that it was >>>> necessary, but I think it's worth explicitly stating that it isn't. >>>> >>>> If you use powerpoint, and it sounds like you will, you shouldn't simply >>>> read what's on the screen. Powerpoint is meant to supplement your >>>> presentation, not to be your presentation. In fact, you shouldn't read >>>> the >>>> presentation at all, unless you can read it in such a way that it >>>> doesn't >>>> actually sound like you're reading it. There is nothing worse than >>>> someone >>>> standing up at the front reading a paper, and it's unbelievable how >>>> often >>>> this happens at conferences. >>>> >>>> Instead, if you really know the material, you can write down a few words >>>> to prompt you and keep you on track during the presentation. This is a >>>> little riskier and scarier because you have to form the sentences in >>>> your >>>> head rather than reading nice, complete, well organized sentences from a >>>> document, and you're more likely to jump a head of yourself when you're >>>> not simply reading a prepared presentation, but doing it this way sounds >>>> more natural and will be more engaging to your audience. >>>> >>>> You can listen to these prompting words with jaws on your own laptop and >>>> simply use the keyboard or a remote to move from slide to slide on the >>>> school's laptop, or you can do the same with Voiceover on your iPhone. >>>> just indicate in your notes when to switch to the next slide. >>>> >>>> The trick for listening and speaking at the same time is to keep each >>>> line >>>> of text to only a few words. If you try to listen to a complete line of >>>> text and say it back, you'll get half way through and then have to pause >>>> and listen again to get the second half of the line. If each line has >>>> only >>>> four or five words, though, you can keep them in your head while you're >>>> saying them, then simply arrow down or flick right to get to the next >>>> line >>>> and begin speaking what you here. >>>> >>>> It can take a bit of practice to get the hang of this, and you'll still >>>> want to rehearse the presentation before you deliver it, but this >>>> presentation method can allow you to read long passages word for word, >>>> or >>>> even the entire presentation, without a lot of prep time. It's important >>>> to try to break the sentence up at places where you might pause briefly >>>> anyway, otherwise, you can have slight pauses that might sound awkward, >>>> and this is the part that takes a bit of practice, but it really doesn't >>>> take very long to figure out how to break things up in a way that works >>>> for you. >>>> >>>> Hope that's helpful. >>>> >>>> Marc >>>> On 2012-04-05, at 12:57 PM, Niall Gallagher wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thank you very much for your suggestion Arielle. >>>>> At present you are in the field of which I hope to become part of. >>>>> A post graduate degree seems very likely, as I want to further my >>>>> studies >>>>> and possibly involve myself in the teaching profession. >>>>> >>>>> When I think about it, the activity of learning brail couldn't have >>>>> come >>>>> at a better time. >>>>> My placement is 4 months long and I will have a considerable amount of >>>>> free time in the evenings, so I will certainly investigate this avenue >>>>> further. >>>>> >>>>> I guess I will arrange something involving the combination of JAWS, >>>>> headphones, and a remote for changing the slides..... what can go >>>>> wrong? >>>>> lol >>>>> >>>>> Thank you once again and I wish you the best of luck in your studies. >>>>> >>>>> Kindest regards, >>>>> >>>>> Niall. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 5, 2012, at 7:31 PM, Arielle Silverman >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Niall, >>>>>> I am a totally blind grad student and I regularly give research and >>>>>> teaching presentations. In my experience it is very hard to remember >>>>>> what I want to talk about without using Braille. If you plan to teach >>>>>> professionally or go to grad school, I would highly recommend taking a >>>>>> few months to teach yourself to read Braille, even just the alphabet >>>>>> or "Grade 1" Braille can be tremendously helpful. Hadley School for >>>>>> the Blind offers courses and will send you materials in the mail so >>>>>> you can learn the alphabet and practice at home. Even if you don't >>>>>> plan to teach after this semester, it will really help you in any job >>>>>> to know how to read and write Braille. You don't have to be a fast >>>>>> reader to use Braille for presentations; just having the notes there >>>>>> to jog your memory will keep you from getting tongue-tied or >>>>>> forgetting what you want to say. >>>>>> In the meantime while you are learning Braille, you can use JAWS with >>>>>> an earphone to listen to what's on each slide as you present it. I >>>>>> would suggest trying to install your personal copy of JAWS on the >>>>>> school's computer or installing a "demo" version. You shouldn't have a >>>>>> problem installing your licensed copy on both your school and home >>>>>> computers. If you can't do that, then talk to the college about >>>>>> bringing your laptop. >>>>>> Again, this isn't a great solution since you have to stop at the >>>>>> beginning of each slide, listen to JAWS read it to you and then say >>>>>> what you want to say. Braille is much much better. But JAWS can work >>>>>> in the short term. >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> Arielle >>>>>> >>>>>> On 4/5/12, Niall Gallagher wrote: >>>>>>> Thank you for the suggestion of using large print. but my vision is >>>>>>> at >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> level that I cannot see any written materials. >>>>>>> I use JAWS on Windows and VoiceOver on Mac. >>>>>>> The college use windows and wont have JAWS available. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 5, 2012, at 7:06 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> have someone turn slides for you. have a braille or large print copy >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> the slide you typed. when you want to turn slides, just cue them to >>>>>>>> turn >>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>> work from your prepared copy and you'll be fine. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Niall Gallagher >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 1:47 PM >>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Presentation Techniques >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sorry guys I didn't want to overwhelm with information, but seems I >>>>>>>> did >>>>>>>> the opposite :) >>>>>>>> I am visually impaired but it is to the extent to which I can't see >>>>>>>> Power >>>>>>>> Point slides or any presentation aids (flash cards etc). >>>>>>>> I use the screen reading package JAWS to create the initial >>>>>>>> presentation >>>>>>>> slideshow. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I expect not to have any screen reading software pre-installed on >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> computer I will be using in class. >>>>>>>> I could always use my own laptop, but that would mean changing the >>>>>>>> configuration of the projector cables the college has setup. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The presentation is going to be law based, which I studied last >>>>>>>> year, >>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>> I am unsure of the topic or any additional information about the >>>>>>>> tutorials. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don't know or use brail, I primarily work with technology. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I guess what I'm thinking of is, when there is a slide on the >>>>>>>> projector >>>>>>>> screen, that they can see, what could I do in order to prompt or >>>>>>>> assist >>>>>>>> myself? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hope this information helps you understand the situation. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kindest regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Niall. >>>>>>>> On 5 Apr 2012, at 18:09, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Do you read Braille? If so, do you have a Braille note taking >>>>>>>>> device? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Niall Gallagher" >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> To: >>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 9:32 AM >>>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Presentation Techniques >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Everyone,, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I am a 3rd Year college student in Ireland. >>>>>>>>>> As part of my studies, I must complete a work placement module >>>>>>>>>> A part of this module will involve working with a lecturer. >>>>>>>>>> Now, for my question, does anyone have any techniques that they >>>>>>>>>> may >>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>> for presentations? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have presented in front of a class before, but it has been for a >>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>> brief period of time (no more than 10 minutes). >>>>>>>>>> These upcoming presentations will be tutorials (in excess of 30 >>>>>>>>>> minutes). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I would appreciate any suggestions members of this list may have. 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Find out inside. Message-ID: <0D6F06A4-FCF0-412D-9AAB-B971D6DFE661@gmail.com> `It's mozart symphonies today. I will take you through the history of the symphony from mozart's point of view, or that's my goal anyways. Remember we are looking for professional DJ's who want to as the american saying goes swell our ranks. Any format is welcome, oldies, country, talk radio, etc. Visit the website and fill out a test form if interested. See ya all at the show. Info is below. Place: Http://Listen.Ultrastreams.Us:8022/Stream time: Monday from 9-11 pm eastern, 8-10 pm central, 7-9 mountain, and 6-8 pm pacific contact info show twitter: Http://Twitter.Com/tcjwb station twitter: Http://Twitter.Com/wicsradio. We also have a facebook page you can like for news and announcements. See http://wics.cc for more info. If you need to contact me off air contact me here. http://wics.cc/contact or here. Http://Twitter.Com/marrie1 see you there. From agrima at nbp.org Mon Apr 9 13:53:45 2012 From: agrima at nbp.org (Tony Grima) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 09:53:45 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] NBP has Spongebob - in print/braille! Message-ID: <003101cd1658$2f2c06c0$8d841440$@org> April 2012 Book Club Selection Behold, No Cavities! A Visit to the Dentist by Sarah Wilson Print/braille children's book, $5.00 In contracted braille with skip lines Ages 4 - 9 SpongeBob can't wait for his six-month checkup at the dentist! That morning, as he leaps out of bed with his usual enthusiasm, SpongeBob discovers that not only has Patrick never gone to the dentist, but he's never even brushed his teeth! SpongeBob makes an appointment for Patrick, meaning to guide his friend through his first dentist visit, and maybe show off his perfect, cavity-free record - when he learns some horrifying news! Will Patrick's name replace SpongeBob's on the No Cavi-Tree? Will SpongeBob ever be cavity-free again? "Since I am a children's librarian, I have seen at least a dozen books meant to prepare kids for the dentist. This is THE best. No question. "The problem with the other books is that they either begin with the premise that the dentist is scary, or don't address that it might be scary at all. . . Spongebob is delighted to go to the dentist. Patrick has never been. . . The plot is so good you don't have to watch Spongebob (I sure don't) to understand and like the characters. I plan to recommend this above all other dentist books." - M Beadnell, NY Order at: http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/BC1204-SPONGE.html ****** To order any books, send payment to: NBP, 88 St. Stephen Street, Boston, MA 02115-4302 Or call and charge it: toll-free (800) 548-7323 or (617) 266-6160 ext 520. Or order any of our books online at http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/publications/index.html From bfs1206 at gmail.com Mon Apr 9 17:42:34 2012 From: bfs1206 at gmail.com (Brianna Scerenscko) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 13:42:34 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Filling Out Taxonamy Tables For Lesson Plans In-Reply-To: <8703FF1C-04F9-4C74-B632-477EF54CB5E4@gmail.com> References: <8703FF1C-04F9-4C74-B632-477EF54CB5E4@gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm currently using JAWS. I had a sighted person look at them and it seems like I have to put the number of each of my objectives in a box that corresponds with that catigory. On 4/8/12, Greg Aikens wrote: > Hi Brianna, > I am familiar with these taxonomies but am not quite sure what you need to > do as far as filling out tables with them. Do you have a sample blank > lesson plan with these taxonomy tables in them? I could give them a look > and make some suggestions. Also, what screen reader and word processor are > you using? That might make a difference. > > -Greg > On Apr 8, 2012, at 11:14 PM, Brianna Scerenscko wrote: > >> Hello All, >> For all you students studying education, this question is for you. >> I was just wondering how you filled out Bloom's, Gardner's, and >> Marzano's taxonamy tables using a screen reader? 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18:34:14 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 14:34:14 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] sunday's quote: so true In-Reply-To: <79B61CEF-C993-4DF7-A777-8531D5282228@gmail.com> References: <79B61CEF-C993-4DF7-A777-8531D5282228@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000501cd1748$88ca0ec0$9a5e2c40$@gmail.com> Love the quote! Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sarah Alawami Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 3:55 PM To: nabs discussion list list Subject: [nabs-l] sunday's quote: so true No one can make you feel inferior without your consent Eleanor Roosevelt _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Apr 10 21:53:06 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 17:53:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] new iPhone users conference Message-ID: <00d601cd1764$5077cf50$f1676df0$@gmail.com> Hi everyone, I thought I would let you all know of a great conference for new iPhone users. Any of you who have used your iPhone or other iOS device for less than 6 months are welcome! If you want to learn more about your iPhone, iPad, or iPod Touch from experienced blind iOS users, come on in and join us! The conference is at 8 PM Eastern, 7 PM Central, 6 PM Mountain, and 5 PM Pacific, in room 2428 on the Conversation Station chat line. To get into the call, call 616-883-2999. When you hear the music indicating that you've called in, press the pound key. From the main menu, press 1 for live chat rooms. Then enter room number 2428 and press pound. You will hear a welcome greeting, followed by a prompt to say your name. Say your name after the beep and press pound, and you're in the call! Hope to see you there! Chris From arielle71 at gmail.com Wed Apr 11 01:45:37 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 19:45:37 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility of Microsoft Office 365 vs. Google apps for Education Message-ID: Hi all, I got an email from my university's IT office asking students for feedback on which email platform to use in the future: Google Apps or Microsoft Office 365. I know that Gmail is accessible but many of the other Google apps are not yet; however I know nothing about MS-Office 365. I would like to give my university accurate suggestions about accessibility of the two platforms. Could any of you advise me as to whether Office 365 is accessible and/or whether we should expect real improvements in the accessibility of Google apps in the near future? Best, Arielle From dandrews at visi.com Wed Apr 11 09:05:37 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 04:05:37 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: New Windows 7 Textbooks Released Message-ID: > >I've released a new edition of the Windows 7 textbooks. For more >information and to purchase this new edition, please visit >http://www.blindtraining.com/shop/windows.htm. > > > >If you've purchased this textbook in the last three months, please forward >your receipt to receive a free upgrade to this new edition. > > > >CathyAnne > > > >CathyAnne Murtha > >Online Access Technology Trainer > >Access Technology Institute > >cathy at blindtraining.com > >www.twitter.com/CathyAnneMurtha > >www.blindtraining.com > >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: > From zach2012 at chickerland.com Wed Apr 11 22:59:15 2012 From: zach2012 at chickerland.com (Zach) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 16:59:15 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: [Braillenote] Announcing the Tenth BrailleNote Chat for April 14, 2012! Message-ID: Zach Griego-Dreicer Email: zach2012 at chickerland.com Skype and Twitter: Chickerland Facebook profile: http://www.facebook.com/chickerland or find me using this email address. -----Original Message----- From: Joseph Lee Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:38 AM To: braillenote at list.humanware.com Subject: [Braillenote] Announcing the Tenth BrailleNote Chat for April 14,2012! Dear BrailleNote users, HumanWare staff and others: Want to learn about how to solve some problems and hear expert user opinions on BrailleNote? Want to find out how the competition is doing and discuss improvements for the BN? Or wish to meet new friends who use BrailleNote family of products? If your answer is "yes" to any of these, then I would like to cordially invite you to our first BrailleNote user chat of 2012! Hosted by BrailleNote users ourselves, this chat would be a good opportunity to share your thoughts about using a BN, learn few tips from expert users and meet new friends around the world. Since 2007, a number of user chats were conducted to discuss things related to KeySoft and BrailleNote, as well as to interact with HumanWare representatives (for some sessions). The archives of these chats can be found at www.braillenoteusers.info/media. This year, to open chat oportunities for non computer users and to allow international users to join us in United States, we'll be hosting two sessions using two chatting methods: one with and one without use of a computer and a microphone. The chat details are as follows: * Date: Saturday, April 14, 2012. * First session (using a phone chat service): 11 AM Pacific, 12 PM Mountain, 1 PM Central, 2 PM Eastern, 18:00 GMT. Stay tuned for the next chat announcement email regarding accessing this session via phone. * Second session (for computer users): 5 PM Pacific, 6 PM Mountain, 7 PM Central, 8 PM Eastern, 00:00 GMT. We'll be using a Talking Communities room found at Blind Cool Tech website (www.blindcooltech.com). The room can accomodate up to 25 people at a time, and use of microphone is optional (there will be people who'll read your text comments). For people with KeyChat, there will be people who'll be relaying the chat progress between you and the chat audience (so you can see what's going on and have your thoughts heard by others). More details on our chat to follow on the subsequent posts. If you have any questions about the BN chat, please send an email to webmaster at braillenoteusers.info. Hope to see you on Saturday! Sincerely, Joseph S Lee ___ Replies to this message will go directly to the sender. If your reply would be useful to the list, please send a copy to the list as well. To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to braillenote-unsubscribe at list.humanware.com To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote From jj at bestmidi.com Thu Apr 12 00:41:40 2012 From: jj at bestmidi.com (J.J. Meddaugh) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 20:41:40 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A T Guys at NFB of Wisconsin Convention Message-ID: Hello. A T Guys will be at the NFB of Wisconsin convention this weekend. If you wish to preorder something and pick it up at the convention, you can use coupon code Wisconsin to save on shipping. Thenk, pick up your item during the exhibit hall hours on Friday or on Saturday morning. We have a variety of accessories for your iPhone or other mobile phone including tactile screen protectors, external batteries, keyboards, and more as well as our customized barcode scanners and the iBill Money Identifier. To order, visit http://www.atguys.com or call 269-216-4798. Best Regards, J.J. Meddaugh A T Guys Your Assistive Technology Experts (269) 216-4798 http://www.ATGuys.com From anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com Thu Apr 12 01:03:48 2012 From: anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com (Anmol Bhatia) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 18:03:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: your valuable vote/help for our project in the MIT global challenge! Message-ID: <1334192628.58430.YahooMailClassic@web162002.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hello, Please see the forward message below and cast your vote for the MIT Global Project and help Srikanth Bolla (a blind student from India studying at MIT. thanks Anmol I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers. Hellen Keller --- On Tue, 4/10/12, Srikanth Bolla wrote: From: Srikanth Bolla Subject: your valuable vote/help for our project in the MIT global challenge! To: "Srikanth Bolla" Date: Tuesday, April 10, 2012, 8:16 PM Hay all! Please vote for our project and make our vision become a reality!! Your valuable vote can make the difference in the lives of people with disabilities! Please spend few seconds and help our vision! We would appreciate if you can make your friends also vote for us! Please click this link to cast your valuable vote: http://globalchallenge.mit.edu/teams/view/316 Also please follow our team in the MIT global challenge!   Please note, you have to register yourself to properly vote our team. Once you click on the link above, please click on vote button. Then please click on the registration and complete registration. Once you receive the access link in the email from global challenge, please open that link and vote for our team. Note, MIT community can sign in with their MIT personal certificates without registration. Thank you so much!     Srikanth Bolla Class of 2013 Massachusetts institute of technology Cambridge, United states Board member, Samanvai center for children with multiple disabilities Hyderabad, India Email: bolla at mit.edu Skype: Srikanth.bolla Website: http://www.samanvai.org/ Linkedin profile: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/srikanth-bolla/18/499/52a     From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Apr 12 01:12:49 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 21:12:49 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: your valuable vote/help for our project in the MIT global challenge! In-Reply-To: <1334192628.58430.YahooMailClassic@web162002.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1334192628.58430.YahooMailClassic@web162002.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000f01cd1849$61beb5e0$253c21a0$@gmail.com> Hi Anmol, What is the project? In other words, what are they doing? Thanks, Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anmol Bhatia Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 9:04 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: your valuable vote/help for our project in the MIT global challenge! Hello, Please see the forward message below and cast your vote for the MIT Global Project and help Srikanth Bolla (a blind student from India studying at MIT. thanks Anmol I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers. Hellen Keller --- On Tue, 4/10/12, Srikanth Bolla wrote: From: Srikanth Bolla Subject: your valuable vote/help for our project in the MIT global challenge! To: "Srikanth Bolla" Date: Tuesday, April 10, 2012, 8:16 PM Hay all! Please vote for our project and make our vision become a reality!! Your valuable vote can make the difference in the lives of people with disabilities! Please spend few seconds and help our vision! We would appreciate if you can make your friends also vote for us! Please click this link to cast your valuable vote: http://globalchallenge.mit.edu/teams/view/316 Also please follow our team in the MIT global challenge!   Please note, you have to register yourself to properly vote our team. Once you click on the link above, please click on vote button. Then please click on the registration and complete registration. Once you receive the access link in the email from global challenge, please open that link and vote for our team. Note, MIT community can sign in with their MIT personal certificates without registration. Thank you so much!     Srikanth Bolla Class of 2013 Massachusetts institute of technology Cambridge, United states Board member, Samanvai center for children with multiple disabilities Hyderabad, India Email: bolla at mit.edu Skype: Srikanth.bolla Website: http://www.samanvai.org/ Linkedin profile: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/srikanth-bolla/18/499/52a     _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com Thu Apr 12 01:21:47 2012 From: anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com (Anmol Bhatia) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 18:21:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: your valuable vote/help for our project in the MIT global challenge! In-Reply-To: <000f01cd1849$61beb5e0$253c21a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1334193707.14868.YahooMailClassic@web162006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> They have a non-profit organization India to help people with disabilities. You should look at the link that is provided with the email which provides information about their project. Anmol I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers. Hellen Keller --- On Wed, 4/11/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > From: Chris Nusbaum > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fw: your valuable vote/help for our project in the MIT global challenge! > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 8:12 PM > Hi Anmol, > > What is the project? In other words, what are they doing? > > Thanks, > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] > On Behalf > Of Anmol Bhatia > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 9:04 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: your valuable vote/help for our > project in the MIT > global challenge! > > > Hello, > Please see the forward message below and cast your vote for > the MIT Global > Project and help Srikanth Bolla (a blind student from India > studying at MIT. > thanks > Anmol > I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me > sad. Perhaps > there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, > like a breeze > among flowers. > Hellen Keller > > --- On Tue, 4/10/12, Srikanth Bolla > wrote: > > > From: Srikanth Bolla > Subject: your valuable vote/help for our project in the MIT > global > challenge! > To: "Srikanth Bolla" > Date: Tuesday, April 10, 2012, 8:16 PM > > > > > > > > Hay all! Please vote for our project and make our vision > become a reality!! > Your valuable vote can make the difference in the lives of > people with > disabilities! Please spend few seconds and help our vision! > We would > appreciate if you can make your friends also vote for us! > Please click this > link to cast your valuable vote: > http://globalchallenge.mit.edu/teams/view/316 > Also please follow our team in the MIT global challenge! >   > Please note, you have to register yourself to properly vote > our team. Once > you click on the link above, please click on vote button. > Then please click > on the registration and complete registration. Once you > receive the access > link in the email from global challenge, please open that > link and vote for > our team. Note, MIT community can sign in with their MIT > personal > certificates without registration. Thank you so much! >   >   > Srikanth Bolla > Class of 2013 > Massachusetts institute of technology > Cambridge, United states > Board member, Samanvai center for children with multiple > disabilities > Hyderabad, India > Email: bolla at mit.edu > Skype: Srikanth.bolla > Website: http://www.samanvai.org/ > Linkedin profile: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/srikanth-bolla/18/499/52a >   >   > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbhatia%40yahoo.com > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Apr 12 01:31:41 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 21:31:41 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [Braillenote] Announcing the Tenth BrailleNote Chat for April 14, 2012! In-Reply-To: <4f852706.e41b3c0a.28b8.57f9@mx.google.com> References: <4f852706.e41b3c0a.28b8.57f9@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <001d01cd184c$047ceed0$0d76cc70$@gmail.com> -----Original Message----- From: braillenote-bounces at list.humanware.com [mailto:braillenote-bounces at list.humanware.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 2:39 AM To: braillenote at list.humanware.com Subject: [Braillenote] Announcing the Tenth BrailleNote Chat for April 14, 2012! Dear BrailleNote users, HumanWare staff and others: Want to learn about how to solve some problems and hear expert user opinions on BrailleNote? Want to find out how the competition is doing and discuss improvements for the BN? Or wish to meet new friends who use BrailleNote family of products? If your answer is "yes" to any of these, then I would like to cordially invite you to our first BrailleNote user chat of 2012! Hosted by BrailleNote users ourselves, this chat would be a good opportunity to share your thoughts about using a BN, learn few tips from expert users and meet new friends around the world. Since 2007, a number of user chats were conducted to discuss things related to KeySoft and BrailleNote, as well as to interact with HumanWare representatives (for some sessions). The archives of these chats can be found at www.braillenoteusers.info/media. This year, to open chat oportunities for non computer users and to allow international users to join us in United States, we'll be hosting two sessions using two chatting methods: one with and one without use of a computer and a microphone. The chat details are as follows: * Date: Saturday, April 14, 2012. * First session (using a phone chat service): 11 AM Pacific, 12 PM Mountain, 1 PM Central, 2 PM Eastern, 18:00 GMT. Stay tuned for the next chat announcement email regarding accessing this session via phone. * Second session (for computer users): 5 PM Pacific, 6 PM Mountain, 7 PM Central, 8 PM Eastern, 00:00 GMT. We'll be using a Talking Communities room found at Blind Cool Tech website (www.blindcooltech.com). The room can accomodate up to 25 people at a time, and use of microphone is optional (there will be people who'll read your text comments). For people with KeyChat, there will be people who'll be relaying the chat progress between you and the chat audience (so you can see what's going on and have your thoughts heard by others). More details on our chat to follow on the subsequent posts. If you have any questions about the BN chat, please send an email to webmaster at braillenoteusers.info. Hope to see you on Saturday! Sincerely, Joseph S Lee ___ Replies to this message will go directly to the sender. If your reply would be useful to the list, please send a copy to the list as well. To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to braillenote-unsubscribe at list.humanware.com To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Fri Apr 13 04:26:26 2012 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 22:26:26 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] problems for a blind friend in New York Message-ID: <4C86717B-61C8-4399-865A-74F606919556@gmail.com> Hi, all. A blind friend of mine in a small New York town needs NFB training because let's just say that the NY Commission for the Blind is giving him hell. This young man is 20 years old and wants to work at a radio station, but his parents are trying to stop him. He's complained multiple times about not getting from the Commission what he wants. I recommended the Denver program, CCB to be exact, and then I gave him Julie's email address so he could hook up with her and get the ball rolling. But I see problems in getting the NY Commission to pay for the trainng. Who should he contact? The NY NFB president? The local chapter president? Who are these people? I would like to forward this info to my friend so he can get started. Also, any New Yorkers out there are welcome to tell me about the commission's policies and how to get free choice from them. This is a similar situation that I've ben in before. Beth Sent from my iPod From dandrews at visi.com Fri Apr 13 12:57:13 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 07:57:13 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Virginia Job/Mentoring Opportunity Message-ID: Hello counselors and potential mentors, The Virginia Rehabilitation Center for the Blind and Vision Impaired (VRCBVI) is seeking blind or visually impaired college students with a 3.0 average or its equivalent (and at least 60 credit hours) as Mentors for our summer College Assessment Program (C.A.P.) to be held June 17th through June 29th 2012. Maturity and good blindness skills a real plus! During CAP, targeted at blind and visually impaired high school students and blind adults who are considering attending college, staff will assess students' skills and readiness for college by simulating a college schedule. Mentors will accompany their group of students (4 per group) to class, encourage good use of blindness skills (cane travel, Braille, non-visual computer use), share problem-solving skills from their own academic and social experiences during college, participate on a student panel during the College Logistics' class, and help students at night and on the weekend in the dorm. Telephone Interview required. If accepted, mentors will be paid minimum wage ($7.25 per hour for a total of 80 hours-- week-day, evenings, and some weekend hours) and room and board for two weeks. Specific schedules determined upon hire. Final notification of acceptance during the week of May 14-18 by telephone/email with written acceptance to follow. Please email a short essay no more than 500 words detailing why you would like to be a mentor and how your skills and experience apply. Include your name, address, email, telephone number, and resume including three references to buffa.hanse at dbvi.virginia.gov if interested. If you have any questions or would like further information please call me at: 502-296-3600. PLEASE POST ON LIST SERVS AND SOCIAL MEDIA AND SHARE THIS NOTICE WITH OTHERS WHOM YOU THINK MIGHT BE INTERESTED. From jty727 at gmail.com Fri Apr 13 15:17:12 2012 From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 11:17:12 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] problems for a blind friend in New York In-Reply-To: <4C86717B-61C8-4399-865A-74F606919556@gmail.com> References: <4C86717B-61C8-4399-865A-74F606919556@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Beth, In terms of the Commission I would say that it depends heavily upon who your VRC is because I had one that had the attitude of "no we can't or don't do that". So we switched to another and his attitude is "how can I help or let me look into it and I'll do what I can". Just wanted to add that part ot it. I don't know all the circumstances, but sometimes it really as I said depends on how you are working with. Justin On 4/13/12, Beth wrote: > Hi, all. > A blind friend of mine in a small New York town needs NFB training because > let's just say that the NY Commission for the Blind is giving him hell. > This young man is 20 years old and wants to work at a radio station, but his > parents are trying to stop him. He's complained multiple times about not > getting from the Commission what he wants. I recommended the Denver > program, CCB to be exact, and then I gave him Julie's email address so he > could hook up with her and get the ball rolling. But I see problems in > getting the NY Commission to pay for the trainng. Who should he contact? > The NY NFB president? The local chapter president? Who are these people? > I would like to forward this info to my friend so he can get started. Also, > any New Yorkers out there are welcome to tell me about the commission's > policies and how to get free choice from them. > This is a similar situation that I've ben in before. > Beth > > Sent from my iPod > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Fri Apr 13 15:31:07 2012 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 09:31:07 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] problems for a blind friend in New York Message-ID: <4f8846ce.8a07b60a.26dd.ffffc12a@mx.google.com> So true. I might recommend to my friend that he switch counselors. That might be a good idea. Thanks. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: Justin Young wrote: Hi, all. A blind friend of mine in a small New York town needs NFB training because let's just say that the NY Commission for the Blind is giving him hell. This young man is 20 years old and wants to work at a radio station, but his parents are trying to stop him. He's complained multiple times about not getting from the Commission what he wants. I recommended the Denver program, CCB to be exact, and then I gave him Julie's email address so he could hook up with her and get the ball rolling. But I see problems in getting the NY Commission to pay for the trainng. Who should he contact? The NY NFB president? The local chapter president? Who are these people? I would like to forward this info to my friend so he can get started. Also, any New Yorkers out there are welcome to tell me about the commission's policies and how to get free choice from them. This is a similar situation that I've ben in before. Beth Sent from my iPod _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmai l.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo se%40gmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Fri Apr 13 15:33:51 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 10:33:51 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Concerned about a class, I'm taking, this Fall Message-ID: Have any of you ever taken Intro to A and P, (Anatomy, and Physiology?) This is going to be a visual class, so I really need Braille, and my Rehab people aren't cooperating! They're using their own resources, instead of the group, I asked them to use! This, is frustrating! Thanks, Joshua From jty727 at gmail.com Fri Apr 13 16:04:33 2012 From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 12:04:33 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] problems for a blind friend in New York In-Reply-To: <4f8846ce.8a07b60a.26dd.ffffc12a@mx.google.com> References: <4f8846ce.8a07b60a.26dd.ffffc12a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Not a problem On 4/13/12, Beth wrote: > So true. I might recommend to my friend that he switch > counselors. That might be a good idea. Thanks. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Justin Young To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 11:17:12 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] problems for a blind friend in New York > > Hi Beth, > > In terms of the Commission I would say that it depends heavily > upon > who your VRC is because I had one that had the attitude of "no we > can't or don't do that". So we switched to another and his > attitude > is "how can I help or let me look into it and I'll do what I > can". > Just wanted to add that part ot it. I don't know all the > circumstances, but sometimes it really as I said depends on how > you > are working with. > > Justin > > On 4/13/12, Beth wrote: > Hi, all. > A blind friend of mine in a small New York town needs NFB > training because > let's just say that the NY Commission for the Blind is giving > him hell. > This young man is 20 years old and wants to work at a radio > station, but his > parents are trying to stop him. He's complained multiple times > about not > getting from the Commission what he wants. I recommended the > Denver > program, CCB to be exact, and then I gave him Julie's email > address so he > could hook up with her and get the ball rolling. But I see > problems in > getting the NY Commission to pay for the trainng. Who should he > contact? > The NY NFB president? The local chapter president? Who are > these people? > I would like to forward this info to my friend so he can get > started. Also, > any New Yorkers out there are welcome to tell me about the > commission's > policies and how to get free choice from them. > This is a similar situation that I've ben in before. > Beth > > Sent from my iPod > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmai > l.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo > se%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Fri Apr 13 15:02:38 2012 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail CMT) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 12:02:38 -0300 Subject: [nabs-l] Concerned about a class, I'm taking, this Fall In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44BA19DA0F6148E2B8A445B133852933@userPC> Hi I am a massage therapist and took A and P. Rania, -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:34 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Concerned about a class, I'm taking, this Fall Have any of you ever taken Intro to A and P, (Anatomy, and Physiology?) This is going to be a visual class, so I really need Braille, and my Rehab people aren't cooperating! They're using their own resources, instead of the group, I asked them to use! This, is frustrating! Thanks, Joshua _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co m From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Fri Apr 13 16:12:00 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 11:12:00 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Concerned about a class, I'm taking, this Fall In-Reply-To: <44BA19DA0F6148E2B8A445B133852933@userPC> References: <44BA19DA0F6148E2B8A445B133852933@userPC> Message-ID: I'll E-mail you offlist! Thanks, Joshua On 4/13/12, Rania Ismail CMT wrote: > Hi I am a massage therapist and took A and P. > Rania, > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:34 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Concerned about a class, I'm taking, this Fall > > Have any of you ever taken Intro to A and P, (Anatomy, and Physiology?) > This is going to be a visual class, so I really need Braille, and my > Rehab people aren't cooperating! > They're using their own resources, instead of the group, I asked them to > use! > This, is frustrating! > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From bpollpeter at hotmail.com Fri Apr 13 17:12:43 2012 From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 12:12:43 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Please read my blog In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello, Please read my latest World Herald blog at: http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/2012/04/12/a-blind-parents-fear-will-m y-child-be-taken-away/ Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog at: http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ "History is not what happened; history is what was written down." The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Apr 13 20:13:51 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 16:13:51 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] the BrailleNote Chat Series now on Conversation Station phone chat line! Message-ID: <4f888923.48bbe00a.1690.ffffc57b@mx.google.com> Hi everyone, A few times every year, a group of users of the BrailleNote family of notetakers get together to talk about topics related to the BrailleNote. We discuss topics discussed on the BrailleNote list serve, suggestions for future KeySoft upgrades, the status of the BrailleNote in comparison to its competition, including other notetakers and accessible mainstream technology, issues users are having with their BrailleNotes, etc. For a long time, only users who had a PC, a sound card, and a microphone could participate in our chats. However, the Web site development team for the BrailleNote Users Web site has found a way to solve this problem. Now, starting with the 10th BrailleNote chat, which will be held on April 14, BrailleNote users who don't have a PC can participate in the chats using their phones! We will be using the Conversation Station phone chat line for this purpose. The 10th BrailleNote Chat will be held tomorrow, April 14. Here are the times for each session. First Session, using Conversation Station phone chat line: 2 PM Eastern, 1 PM Central, 12 PM Mountain, 11 PM Pacific Second Session, using the Blind Cool Tech chat room at www.blindcooltech.com for the PC: 8 PM Eastern, 7 PM Central, 6 PM Mountain, 5 PM Pacific. If you would like to join us for the Conversation Station session of the chat, these are the instructions to get into our chat room: 1. Shortly before the meeting is scheduled to start, call 616-883-2999. 2. You will hear music indicating that you have called into the Conversation Station. Press pound to jump to the main menu. 3. From the main menu, press 1 for live chat rooms. 4. When prompted for the room code, type in 284 and press pound. 5. You will hear a welcome greeting from me about the BrailleNote chat room. After this greeting, you are asked to say your name after the beep. Say your name after the beep and press pound. You are now in the room. Notes: 1. To mute and unmute your phone at any time during the chat, press star 1. 2. To exit the room at the end of the call, press 0. 3. Be aware that this call will be recorded for posting on the BrailleNote Users Web site and on the Conversation Station's recorded calls listing. We look forward to hearing from as many BrailleNote users as possible during this BrailleNote chat! All users are welcome, regardless of your experience with the BrailleNote! Anyone interested in the BrailleNote who is not a user is also welcome! I hope to see you there! Thanks, Chris Nusbaum "For we walk by faith, not by sight." 2 Corinthians 5:7 Sent from my BrailleNote From carisuekness at gmail.com Fri Apr 13 21:00:51 2012 From: carisuekness at gmail.com (Cari Ford) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 16:00:51 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Concerned about a class, I'm taking, this Fall In-Reply-To: References: <44BA19DA0F6148E2B8A445B133852933@userPC> Message-ID: <00ed01cd19b8$83793cd0$8a6bb670$@com> Hi Josh, My husband took A&P for Med transcription. He said he had an in class lab assistant and tutor. He said in his lab there were articulating skellitins and he could feel the bones and stuff. Peace, Cari -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 11:12 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Concerned about a class, I'm taking, this Fall I'll E-mail you offlist! Thanks, Joshua On 4/13/12, Rania Ismail CMT wrote: > Hi I am a massage therapist and took A and P. > Rania, > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:34 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Concerned about a class, I'm taking, this Fall > > Have any of you ever taken Intro to A and P, (Anatomy, and > Physiology?) This is going to be a visual class, so I really need > Braille, and my Rehab people aren't cooperating! > They're using their own resources, instead of the group, I asked them > to use! > This, is frustrating! > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gm > ail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40stud > ents.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carisuekness%40gmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Fri Apr 13 21:17:16 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 16:17:16 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Concerned about a class, I'm taking, this Fall In-Reply-To: <00ed01cd19b8$83793cd0$8a6bb670$@com> References: <44BA19DA0F6148E2B8A445B133852933@userPC> <00ed01cd19b8$83793cd0$8a6bb670$@com> Message-ID: Wow! Was he attending a full-fledged university? I'm in a community college, that doesn't have all of this stuff. I wish we did, though. Thanks, Joshua On 4/13/12, Cari Ford wrote: > Hi Josh, > My husband took A&P for Med transcription. He said he had an in class lab > assistant and tutor. He said in his lab there were articulating skellitins > and he could feel the bones and stuff. > Peace, > Cari > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 11:12 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Concerned about a class, I'm taking, this Fall > > I'll E-mail you offlist! > Thanks, Joshua > > On 4/13/12, Rania Ismail CMT wrote: >> Hi I am a massage therapist and took A and P. >> Rania, >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf Of Joshua Lester >> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:34 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] Concerned about a class, I'm taking, this Fall >> >> Have any of you ever taken Intro to A and P, (Anatomy, and >> Physiology?) This is going to be a visual class, so I really need >> Braille, and my Rehab people aren't cooperating! >> They're using their own resources, instead of the group, I asked them >> to use! >> This, is frustrating! >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gm >> ail.co >> m >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40stud >> ents.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carisuekness%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From arielle71 at gmail.com Fri Apr 13 21:26:55 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 15:26:55 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Concerned about a class, I'm taking, this Fall In-Reply-To: References: <44BA19DA0F6148E2B8A445B133852933@userPC> <00ed01cd19b8$83793cd0$8a6bb670$@com> Message-ID: Hi Joshua, Before doing anything else I would talk with the professor and ask to look at a syllabus to see what kinds of books you will be using and what assignments you will be doing. At that time also talk to the prof about what kinds of three-dimensional guides, like skeletons, they might have available. I have found that sometimes VR only wants to work with certain providers because of their contracts, and the providers they like may or may not be the best ones. If you've found a Braille transcription provider you prefer you might want to explore another way of paying for the Braille transcription. Perhaps a local Lions club would help you with this? Do you have any disability services office on your campus? Best, Arielle On 4/13/12, Joshua Lester wrote: > Wow! > Was he attending a full-fledged university? > I'm in a community college, that doesn't have all of this stuff. > I wish we did, though. > Thanks, Joshua > > On 4/13/12, Cari Ford wrote: >> Hi Josh, >> My husband took A&P for Med transcription. He said he had an in class lab >> assistant and tutor. He said in his lab there were articulating skellitins >> and he could feel the bones and stuff. >> Peace, >> Cari >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Joshua Lester >> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 11:12 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Concerned about a class, I'm taking, this Fall >> >> I'll E-mail you offlist! >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> On 4/13/12, Rania Ismail CMT wrote: >>> Hi I am a massage therapist and took A and P. >>> Rania, >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>> Behalf Of Joshua Lester >>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:34 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Concerned about a class, I'm taking, this Fall >>> >>> Have any of you ever taken Intro to A and P, (Anatomy, and >>> Physiology?) This is going to be a visual class, so I really need >>> Braille, and my Rehab people aren't cooperating! >>> They're using their own resources, instead of the group, I asked them >>> to use! >>> This, is frustrating! >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gm >>> ail.co >>> m >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40stud >>> ents.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carisuekness%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Fri Apr 13 21:34:11 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 16:34:11 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Concerned about a class, I'm taking, this Fall In-Reply-To: References: <44BA19DA0F6148E2B8A445B133852933@userPC> <00ed01cd19b8$83793cd0$8a6bb670$@com> Message-ID: I'll ask my DSO to use my Pell grants, to pay for my Braille books, because they don't have 3D guides, such as skeletons. I can use the diagrams, in the books, if I get them in Braille. We've already discussed all of this. Things would be different, if Services for the Blind, and VR hadn't have merged! Thanks, Joshua On 4/13/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi Joshua, > Before doing anything else I would talk with the professor and ask to > look at a syllabus to see what kinds of books you will be using and > what assignments you will be doing. At that time also talk to the prof > about what kinds of three-dimensional guides, like skeletons, they > might have available. > I have found that sometimes VR only wants to work with certain > providers because of their contracts, and the providers they like may > or may not be the best ones. If you've found a Braille transcription > provider you prefer you might want to explore another way of paying > for the Braille transcription. Perhaps a local Lions club would help > you with this? Do you have any disability services office on your > campus? > Best, > Arielle > > On 4/13/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >> Wow! >> Was he attending a full-fledged university? >> I'm in a community college, that doesn't have all of this stuff. >> I wish we did, though. >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> On 4/13/12, Cari Ford wrote: >>> Hi Josh, >>> My husband took A&P for Med transcription. He said he had an in class lab >>> assistant and tutor. He said in his lab there were articulating >>> skellitins >>> and he could feel the bones and stuff. >>> Peace, >>> Cari >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Joshua Lester >>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 11:12 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Concerned about a class, I'm taking, this Fall >>> >>> I'll E-mail you offlist! >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> On 4/13/12, Rania Ismail CMT wrote: >>>> Hi I am a massage therapist and took A and P. >>>> Rania, >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>> Behalf Of Joshua Lester >>>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:34 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Concerned about a class, I'm taking, this Fall >>>> >>>> Have any of you ever taken Intro to A and P, (Anatomy, and >>>> Physiology?) This is going to be a visual class, so I really need >>>> Braille, and my Rehab people aren't cooperating! >>>> They're using their own resources, instead of the group, I asked them >>>> to use! >>>> This, is frustrating! >>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gm >>>> ail.co >>>> m >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40stud >>>> ents.pccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carisuekness%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Apr 13 23:01:36 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 19:01:36 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] problems for a blind friend in New York Message-ID: <4f88b074.44d5e00a.1405.ffffdfa0@mx.google.com> Hi Beth, Wow! I looked up the resource list for New York on the NFB Web site, which has the contact information for Carl Jacobsen, the President of the NFB affiliate there, as well as other information of interest to blind people in New York. Here, copied and pasted from the Web site, is the contact information for the NFB of New York: NFB of New York Carl Jacobsen, President Post Office Box 205666 Sunset Station New York, New York 11220 NFB of NY: 718-567-7821 E-mail: office at nfbny.org Web site: http:www.nfbny.org/ NFB Parents of Blind Children Maria Garcia, President New York Parents of Blind Children Phone: 212-222-1705 E-mail: pobcny%verizonsionet Web site: http:www.pobcny.org. I hope this helps! Good luck! Chris Chris Nusbaum "For we walk by faith, not by sight." 2 Corinthians 5:7 Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Beth Thanks, Chris. Skype me when you get the chance. I want to make sure my friend arrives safely in Denver before mommy can say no. :) Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Nusbaum Message-ID: <000501cd19d0$72569020$0602a8c0@hometwxakonvzn> Beth, if your friend wants to go to the center, then he needs to make his feelings known. We do not know the facts, so I'm not going to say one way or another. This information is second hand. 1 How is your friends orentation and mobility skills? 2 How are his comunication skills? Can he read/ write braille? 3 I believe you said he wish's to go into radio broadcasting. Has your friend researched this job thiroly before speaking to his councilor? RJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] problems for a blind friend in New York > Thanks, Chris. Skype me when you get the chance. I want to make sure my > friend arrives safely in Denver before mommy can say no. :) > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris Nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 19:01:36 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] problems for a blind friend in New York > > Hi Beth, > > Wow! I looked up the resource list for New York on the NFB Web > site, which has the contact information for Carl Jacobsen, the > President of the NFB affiliate there, as well as other > information of interest to blind people in New York. Here, > copied and pasted from the Web site, is the contact information > for the NFB of New York: > > NFB of New York > Carl Jacobsen, President > Post Office Box 205666 > Sunset Station > New York, New York 11220 > NFB of NY: 718-567-7821 > E-mail: office at nfbny.org > Web site: http:www.nfbny.org/ > > NFB Parents of Blind Children > > Maria Garcia, President > New York Parents of Blind Children > Phone: 212-222-1705 > E-mail: pobcny%verizonsionet > Web site: http:www.pobcny.org. > > I hope this helps! Good luck! > > Chris > > Chris Nusbaum > > "For we walk by faith, not by sight." > 2 Corinthians 5:7 > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Beth To: "nabs-l at nfbnet.org" sent: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 22:26:26 -0600 > Subject: [nabs-l] problems for a blind friend in New York > > Hi, all. > A blind friend of mine in a small New York town needs NFB > training because let's just say that the NY Commission for the > Blind is giving him hell. This young man is 20 years old and > wants to work at a radio station, but his parents are trying to > stop him. He's complained multiple times about not getting from > the Commission what he wants. I recommended the Denver program, > CCB to be exact, and then I gave him Julie's email address so he > could hook up with her and get the ball rolling. But I see > problems in getting the NY Commission to pay for the trainng. > Who should he contact? The NY NFB president? The local chapter > president? Who are these people? I would like to forward this > info to my friend so he can get started. Also, any New Yorkers > out there are welcome to tell me about the commission's policies > and how to get free choice from them. > This is a similar situation that I've ben in before. > Beth > > Sent from my iPod > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo > se%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Fri Apr 13 23:56:28 2012 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 16:56:28 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] problems for a blind friend in New York In-Reply-To: <4f88b44e.c3043c0a.1255.fffff7fb@mx.google.com> References: <4f88b44e.c3043c0a.1255.fffff7fb@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hello Beth and all, This sound like this is a similar situation I have. However, in my case, I cannot qualify for services from my vocational rehabilitation agency in my state, Washington, whom I heard they are pretty good and they have a positive philosophy of blindness themselves. All the training centers are expensive and out of my reach, so I'm stuck at home with my Mommy and Daddy, which are so overprotective. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 4:18 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] problems for a blind friend in New York Thanks, Chris. Skype me when you get the chance. I want to make sure my friend arrives safely in Denver before mommy can say no. :) Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Nusbaum You just have to make your feelings known to the rehab agency so that they know whuat you want. Hey, nothing wrong with getting a job and moving out here or out of state. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Humberto Avila" References: Message-ID: <001a01cd19d5$7c198c70$744ca550$@mchsi.com> Will have to check it out -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:13 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Please read my blog Hello, Please read my latest World Herald blog at: http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/2012/04/12/a-blind-parents-fear-will-m y-child-be-taken-away/ Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog at: http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ "History is not what happened; history is what was written down." The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/isaiah5719%40mchsi.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Apr 14 01:10:48 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 21:10:48 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] problems for a blind friend in New York In-Reply-To: References: <4f88b44e.c3043c0a.1255.fffff7fb@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <000101cd19db$6dd39f10$497add30$@gmail.com> Hi Humberto, Have you contacted Mike Freeman or any of the other leaders in our Washington affiliate? They may be able to help you advocate with your rehab agency. Good luck! Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Humberto Avila Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 7:56 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] problems for a blind friend in New York Hello Beth and all, This sound like this is a similar situation I have. However, in my case, I cannot qualify for services from my vocational rehabilitation agency in my state, Washington, whom I heard they are pretty good and they have a positive philosophy of blindness themselves. All the training centers are expensive and out of my reach, so I'm stuck at home with my Mommy and Daddy, which are so overprotective. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 4:18 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] problems for a blind friend in New York Thanks, Chris. Skype me when you get the chance. I want to make sure my friend arrives safely in Denver before mommy can say no. :) Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Nusbaum References: <4f88b44e.c3043c0a.1255.fffff7fb@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <000401cd19dc$2e180cc0$8a482640$@gmail.com> I see! Wow; I am so fortunate to have parents who aren't so overprotective and actually encourage my independence! Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 7:18 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] problems for a blind friend in New York Thanks, Chris. Skype me when you get the chance. I want to make sure my friend arrives safely in Denver before mommy can say no. :) Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Nusbaum References: Message-ID: <000601cd19e0$309ac330$91d04990$@gmail.com> Hi Arielle, I've never heard of Office 365, but I assume from its name that it's a version of Microsoft Office, which means it would have Microsoft Outlook. I used the Gmail Web site for a long time, and it was pretty accessible in the basic HTML mode. However, the problem with basic HTML was it had something like only 40 percent of the features offered in the standard view, which isn't accessible. So, I would recommend Office for your purposes, but if you only want the basic features of email (send email, receive email, reply, forward, etc,) you could use the Gmail Web site. However, overall, I'm finding Outlook more efficient the more I use it. Hope this helps, Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle Silverman Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 9:46 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility of Microsoft Office 365 vs. Google apps for Education Hi all, I got an email from my university's IT office asking students for feedback on which email platform to use in the future: Google Apps or Microsoft Office 365. I know that Gmail is accessible but many of the other Google apps are not yet; however I know nothing about MS-Office 365. I would like to give my university accurate suggestions about accessibility of the two platforms. Could any of you advise me as to whether Office 365 is accessible and/or whether we should expect real improvements in the accessibility of Google apps in the near future? Best, Arielle _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From carisuekness at gmail.com Sat Apr 14 05:20:05 2012 From: carisuekness at gmail.com (Cari Ford) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 00:20:05 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Concerned about a class, I'm taking, this Fall In-Reply-To: References: <44BA19DA0F6148E2B8A445B133852933@userPC> <00ed01cd19b8$83793cd0$8a6bb670$@com> Message-ID: <001801cd19fe$414f3530$c3ed9f90$@com> No. Actually he was at the community college. Peace, Cari -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 4:17 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Concerned about a class, I'm taking, this Fall Wow! Was he attending a full-fledged university? I'm in a community college, that doesn't have all of this stuff. I wish we did, though. Thanks, Joshua On 4/13/12, Cari Ford wrote: > Hi Josh, > My husband took A&P for Med transcription. He said he had an in class > lab assistant and tutor. He said in his lab there were articulating > skellitins and he could feel the bones and stuff. > Peace, > Cari > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 11:12 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Concerned about a class, I'm taking, this Fall > > I'll E-mail you offlist! > Thanks, Joshua > > On 4/13/12, Rania Ismail CMT wrote: >> Hi I am a massage therapist and took A and P. >> Rania, >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf Of Joshua Lester >> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:34 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] Concerned about a class, I'm taking, this Fall >> >> Have any of you ever taken Intro to A and P, (Anatomy, and >> Physiology?) This is going to be a visual class, so I really need >> Braille, and my Rehab people aren't cooperating! >> They're using their own resources, instead of the group, I asked them >> to use! >> This, is frustrating! >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40g >> m >> ail.co >> m >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40stu >> d >> ents.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carisuekness%40gma > il.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40stud > ents.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carisuekness%40gmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sat Apr 14 06:49:50 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 01:49:50 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Concerned about a class, I'm taking, this Fall In-Reply-To: <001801cd19fe$414f3530$c3ed9f90$@com> References: <44BA19DA0F6148E2B8A445B133852933@userPC> <00ed01cd19b8$83793cd0$8a6bb670$@com> <001801cd19fe$414f3530$c3ed9f90$@com> Message-ID: Being that Phillips is located in a smaller town, that might be one reason. Maybe, they'll have some things, at headquarters. I'll ask about that. Blessings, Joshua On 4/14/12, Cari Ford wrote: > No. Actually he was at the community college. > Peace, > Cari > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 4:17 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Concerned about a class, I'm taking, this Fall > > Wow! > Was he attending a full-fledged university? > I'm in a community college, that doesn't have all of this stuff. > I wish we did, though. > Thanks, Joshua > > On 4/13/12, Cari Ford wrote: >> Hi Josh, >> My husband took A&P for Med transcription. He said he had an in class >> lab assistant and tutor. He said in his lab there were articulating >> skellitins and he could feel the bones and stuff. >> Peace, >> Cari >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf Of Joshua Lester >> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 11:12 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Concerned about a class, I'm taking, this Fall >> >> I'll E-mail you offlist! >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> On 4/13/12, Rania Ismail CMT wrote: >>> Hi I am a massage therapist and took A and P. >>> Rania, >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>> Behalf Of Joshua Lester >>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:34 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Concerned about a class, I'm taking, this Fall >>> >>> Have any of you ever taken Intro to A and P, (Anatomy, and >>> Physiology?) This is going to be a visual class, so I really need >>> Braille, and my Rehab people aren't cooperating! >>> They're using their own resources, instead of the group, I asked them >>> to use! >>> This, is frustrating! >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40g >>> m >>> ail.co >>> m >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40stu >>> d >>> ents.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carisuekness%40gma >> il.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40stud >> ents.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carisuekness%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Apr 14 15:24:37 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 11:24:37 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] BrailleNote chat reminder Message-ID: <4f8996da.8abae00a.2524.3b27@mx.google.com> Hi everyone, Just a reminder that we will be having our next BrailleNote chat today at 2 PM Eastern, 1 Central, 12 noon Mountain, and 11 AM Pacific, in room 284 on the Conversation Station phone chat line. Our second session will be at 8 PM Eastern, 7 PM Central, 6 PM Mountain, and 5 PM Pacific, using the Blind Cool Tech chat room for the PC, at blindcooltech.com. Hope to see many of you there! Thanks, Chris Chris Nusbaum "For we walk by faith, not by sight." 2 Corinthians 5:7 Sent from my BrailleNote From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sat Apr 14 19:41:33 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 14:41:33 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Blio Message-ID: How accessible is Blio, and how can I get it? Also, how much does it cost? Thanks, Joshua From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Apr 14 20:28:17 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 16:28:17 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Blio Message-ID: <4f89de06.87bde00a.69cc.59de@mx.google.com> Blio is very accessible; in fact, it was made for accessibility. The program is free, and you can download it from www.blio.com. Chris Nusbaum "For we walk by faith, not by sight." 2 Corinthians 5:7 Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester References: <4f89de06.87bde00a.69cc.59de@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Chris! Blessings, Joshua On 4/14/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Blio is very accessible; in fact, it was made for accessibility. > The program is free, and you can download it from www.blio.com. > > Chris Nusbaum > > "For we walk by faith, not by sight." > 2 Corinthians 5:7 > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > sent: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 14:41:33 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] Blio > > How accessible is Blio, and how can I get it? > Also, how much does it cost? > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sat Apr 14 22:03:03 2012 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 15:03:03 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Freeze water balloons to keep drinks cold: Message-ID: <02BA2EAB-A8B9-41D7-A1A6-94EDD786E894@gmail.com> This could be useful to someone. Take care http://lifehacker.com/5902014/ From maryesanchez at grandecom.net Sun Apr 15 03:45:30 2012 From: maryesanchez at grandecom.net (Mary Ellen Sanchez) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 22:45:30 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] BrailleNote chat reminder In-Reply-To: <4f8996da.8abae00a.2524.3b27@mx.google.com> References: <4f8996da.8abae00a.2524.3b27@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <01ce01cd1aba$342f80a0$9c8e81e0$@net> What is the number? -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 10:25 AM To: Conversation Station Chatters list; BrailleNote list; NFB NABS list; NFB Blind Talk list; MDABS List; NFBMD list; mdpobc at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] BrailleNote chat reminder Hi everyone, Just a reminder that we will be having our next BrailleNote chat today at 2 PM Eastern, 1 Central, 12 noon Mountain, and 11 AM Pacific, in room 284 on the Conversation Station phone chat line. Our second session will be at 8 PM Eastern, 7 PM Central, 6 PM Mountain, and 5 PM Pacific, using the Blind Cool Tech chat room for the PC, at blindcooltech.com. Hope to see many of you there! Thanks, Chris Chris Nusbaum "For we walk by faith, not by sight." 2 Corinthians 5:7 Sent from my BrailleNote _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/maryesanchez%40grandecom .net From isaiah5719 at mchsi.com Sun Apr 15 12:43:49 2012 From: isaiah5719 at mchsi.com (Loren) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 07:43:49 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Concerned about a class, I'm taking, this Fall In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001cd1b05$681b04c0$38510e40$@mchsi.com> Joshua, Several yeaars ago now, my wife took an a and p course. She was in speech pathology at the time. She had a reader attend some classes with her to make raised-line drawings of various things. She also used arrangements ahead of time with the professor to take the exams. She was able to complete the course. She is a very good braille reader and was able to take some notes herself as well. She mainly used the reader to get the diagrams down. I wish you well on the course. Just remember you have the right to be there; so, kick butt and make sure you get what you needf. Loren Wakefield -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 10:34 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Concerned about a class, I'm taking, this Fall Have any of you ever taken Intro to A and P, (Anatomy, and Physiology?) This is going to be a visual class, so I really need Braille, and my Rehab people aren't cooperating! They're using their own resources, instead of the group, I asked them to use! This, is frustrating! Thanks, Joshua _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/isaiah5719%40mchsi.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sun Apr 15 12:52:10 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 07:52:10 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Concerned about a class, I'm taking, this Fall In-Reply-To: <000001cd1b05$681b04c0$38510e40$@mchsi.com> References: <000001cd1b05$681b04c0$38510e40$@mchsi.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the encouragement. I'll try to make sure, and get a reader for diagrams. I'm about to get my notetaker, this Fall, so that will be a plus, as well! Blessings, Joshua On 4/15/12, Loren wrote: > Joshua, > > Several yeaars ago now, my wife took an a and p course. She was in speech > pathology at the time. She had a reader attend some classes with her to > make raised-line drawings of various things. She also used arrangements > ahead of time with the professor to take the exams. She was able to > complete the course. She is a very good braille reader and was able to take > some notes herself as well. She mainly used the reader to get the diagrams > down. I wish you well on the course. Just remember you have the right to > be there; so, kick butt and make sure you get what you needf. > > Loren Wakefield > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 10:34 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Concerned about a class, I'm taking, this Fall > > Have any of you ever taken Intro to A and P, (Anatomy, and Physiology?) This > is going to be a visual class, so I really need Braille, and my Rehab people > aren't cooperating! > They're using their own resources, instead of the group, I asked them to > use! > This, is frustrating! > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/isaiah5719%40mchsi.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From dandrews at visi.com Sun Apr 15 12:57:51 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 07:57:51 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility of Microsoft Office 365 vs. Google apps for Education In-Reply-To: <000601cd19e0$309ac330$91d04990$@gmail.com> References: <000601cd19e0$309ac330$91d04990$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Office 365 is Microsoft Office in the Cloud. We use MS Office 365 for e-mail where I work -- and I can see no difference between it and the client-server version of Outlook we previously used. I can't speak to other Office 365 programs, as we have just converted Mail, but it works well. Dave At 08:44 PM 4/13/2012, you wrote: >Hi Arielle, > >I've never heard of Office 365, but I assume from its name that it's a >version of Microsoft Office, which means it would have Microsoft Outlook. I >used the Gmail Web site for a long time, and it was pretty accessible in the >basic HTML mode. However, the problem with basic HTML was it had something >like only 40 percent of the features offered in the standard view, which >isn't accessible. So, I would recommend Office for your purposes, but if you >only want the basic features of email (send email, receive email, reply, >forward, etc,) you could use the Gmail Web site. However, overall, I'm >finding Outlook more efficient the more I use it. > >Hope this helps, > >Chris > >-----Original Message----- >From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >Of Arielle Silverman >Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 9:46 PM >To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility of Microsoft Office 365 vs. Google apps for >Education > >Hi all, >I got an email from my university's IT office asking students for feedback >on which email platform to use in the future: Google Apps or Microsoft >Office 365. I know that Gmail is accessible but many of the other Google >apps are not yet; however I know nothing about MS-Office 365. I would like >to give my university accurate suggestions about accessibility of the two >platforms. Could any of you advise me as to whether Office 365 is accessible >and/or whether we should expect real improvements in the accessibility of >Google apps in the near future? >Best, >Arielle From dandrews at visi.com Sun Apr 15 13:03:53 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 08:03:53 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Concerned about a class, I'm taking, this Fall In-Reply-To: References: <000001cd1b05$681b04c0$38510e40$@mchsi.com> Message-ID: You might also ask for suggestions on the nfb-science list, http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-science_nfbnet.org to join. Dave At 07:52 AM 4/15/2012, you wrote: >Thanks for the encouragement. >I'll try to make sure, and get a reader for diagrams. >I'm about to get my notetaker, this Fall, so that will be a plus, as well! >Blessings, Joshua > >On 4/15/12, Loren wrote: > > Joshua, > > > > Several yeaars ago now, my wife took an a and p course. She was in speech > > pathology at the time. She had a reader attend some classes with her to > > make raised-line drawings of various things. She also used arrangements > > ahead of time with the professor to take the exams. She was able to > > complete the course. She is a very good braille reader and was > able to take > > some notes herself as well. She mainly used the reader to get the diagrams > > down. I wish you well on the course. Just remember you have the right to > > be there; so, kick butt and make sure you get what you needf. > > > > Loren Wakefield > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > > Of Joshua Lester > > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 10:34 AM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: [nabs-l] Concerned about a class, I'm taking, this Fall > > > > Have any of you ever taken Intro to A and P, (Anatomy, and > Physiology?) This > > is going to be a visual class, so I really need Braille, and my > Rehab people > > aren't cooperating! > > They're using their own resources, instead of the group, I asked them to > > use! > > This, is frustrating! > > Thanks, Joshua From dandrews at visi.com Sun Apr 15 13:02:05 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 08:02:05 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Blio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Blio itself is free, there is a charge for each book. It is accessible with a recent version of JAWS -- I believe you use an older version, so it may not be. You can get it from www.blio.com Dave At 02:41 PM 4/14/2012, you wrote: >How accessible is Blio, and how can I get it? >Also, how much does it cost? >Thanks, Joshua From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Apr 15 13:14:15 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 09:14:15 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] creating surveys Message-ID: <2C04DA3EA23B42DA9548B5EEC74705BC@OwnerPC> Hi all, Well I found out I need to do some research for a research paper in english. Well, except for interviews, this can be an accessibility challenge since if I create a survey in paper, I cannot read the results. I need a method like a survey or interview and since its on groups, this would better with a survey. So, how can I create an online accessible survey? Where? and is it free? Any other ideas such as having participants respond with a voice mail message annonoumously maybe with drop box or something? I have created a blog so hope I can create a survey without learning fancy web design. Thanks for any tips! From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sun Apr 15 13:52:17 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 08:52:17 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Blio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks. My birthday's coming up, so I'll get a new Lap top, and upgrade to Jaws 13, in case Blio doesn't work with NVDA, and I'll just use NVDA as a backup. On 4/15/12, David Andrews wrote: > Blio itself is free, there is a charge for each book. It is > accessible with a recent version of JAWS -- I believe you use an > older version, so it may not be. > > You can get it from www.blio.com > > Dave > > At 02:41 PM 4/14/2012, you wrote: >>How accessible is Blio, and how can I get it? >>Also, how much does it cost? >>Thanks, Joshua > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sun Apr 15 13:53:44 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 08:53:44 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Concerned about a class, I'm taking, this Fall In-Reply-To: References: <000001cd1b05$681b04c0$38510e40$@mchsi.com> Message-ID: I'll join it, when I get back from church. That's a great idea, because I'll have to have alot of these classes, for my Behavioral Health degree. I don't understand why I'd need A and P, for Behavioral health, though. On 4/15/12, David Andrews wrote: > You might also ask for suggestions on the nfb-science list, > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-science_nfbnet.org > > to join. > > Dave > > At 07:52 AM 4/15/2012, you wrote: >>Thanks for the encouragement. >>I'll try to make sure, and get a reader for diagrams. >>I'm about to get my notetaker, this Fall, so that will be a plus, as well! >>Blessings, Joshua >> >>On 4/15/12, Loren wrote: >> > Joshua, >> > >> > Several yeaars ago now, my wife took an a and p course. She was in >> > speech >> > pathology at the time. She had a reader attend some classes with her to >> > make raised-line drawings of various things. She also used arrangements >> > ahead of time with the professor to take the exams. She was able to >> > complete the course. She is a very good braille reader and was >> able to take >> > some notes herself as well. She mainly used the reader to get the >> > diagrams >> > down. I wish you well on the course. Just remember you have the right >> > to >> > be there; so, kick butt and make sure you get what you needf. >> > >> > Loren Wakefield >> > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >> > Of Joshua Lester >> > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 10:34 AM >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Subject: [nabs-l] Concerned about a class, I'm taking, this Fall >> > >> > Have any of you ever taken Intro to A and P, (Anatomy, and >> Physiology?) This >> > is going to be a visual class, so I really need Braille, and my >> Rehab people >> > aren't cooperating! >> > They're using their own resources, instead of the group, I asked them to >> > use! >> > This, is frustrating! >> > Thanks, Joshua > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sun Apr 15 13:57:33 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 08:57:33 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility of Microsoft Office 365 vs. Google apps for Education In-Reply-To: References: <000601cd19e0$309ac330$91d04990$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Wow! It appears, that I have to jump in here! I was listening to the highlights, from past conventions, yesterday, when I first heard of "The Cloud." Then, you mentioned it, on this thread. I must be behind times, so what is "the Cloud?" Thanks, Joshua On 4/15/12, David Andrews wrote: > Office 365 is Microsoft Office in the Cloud. We use MS Office 365 > for e-mail where I work -- and I can see no difference between it and > the client-server version of Outlook we previously used. > > I can't speak to other Office 365 programs, as we have just converted > Mail, but it works well. > > Dave > > At 08:44 PM 4/13/2012, you wrote: >>Hi Arielle, >> >>I've never heard of Office 365, but I assume from its name that it's a >>version of Microsoft Office, which means it would have Microsoft Outlook. I >>used the Gmail Web site for a long time, and it was pretty accessible in >> the >>basic HTML mode. However, the problem with basic HTML was it had something >>like only 40 percent of the features offered in the standard view, which >>isn't accessible. So, I would recommend Office for your purposes, but if >> you >>only want the basic features of email (send email, receive email, reply, >>forward, etc,) you could use the Gmail Web site. However, overall, I'm >>finding Outlook more efficient the more I use it. >> >>Hope this helps, >> >>Chris >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >>Of Arielle Silverman >>Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 9:46 PM >>To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility of Microsoft Office 365 vs. Google apps for >>Education >> >>Hi all, >>I got an email from my university's IT office asking students for feedback >>on which email platform to use in the future: Google Apps or Microsoft >>Office 365. I know that Gmail is accessible but many of the other Google >>apps are not yet; however I know nothing about MS-Office 365. I would like >>to give my university accurate suggestions about accessibility of the two >>platforms. Could any of you advise me as to whether Office 365 is >> accessible >>and/or whether we should expect real improvements in the accessibility of >>Google apps in the near future? >>Best, >>Arielle > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From niall.j.gallagher.91 at gmail.com Sun Apr 15 13:57:34 2012 From: niall.j.gallagher.91 at gmail.com (Niall Gallagher) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 14:57:34 +0100 Subject: [nabs-l] creating surveys In-Reply-To: <2C04DA3EA23B42DA9548B5EEC74705BC@OwnerPC> References: <2C04DA3EA23B42DA9548B5EEC74705BC@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <47183562-496A-4F3B-98B1-C46AF7E3F6DD@gmail.com> Hi, I recently used surveymonkey.com to evaluate my college course. the service allows you to create a survey comprising of 10 questions (free) or unlimited questions (subscription). Service is completely accessible and you can embed the survey on your blog. share on social networks, email, or web link. There is another service called poledaddy, but I haven't used this personally. Hope this information is of some help. Kindest regards, Niall. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 15, 2012, at 2:14 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: > Hi all, > > Well I found out I need to do some research for a research paper in english. Well, except for interviews, this can be an accessibility challenge since if I create a survey in paper, I cannot read the results. I need a method like a survey or interview and since its on groups, this would better with a survey. > > So, how can I create an online accessible survey? Where? and is it free? > Any other ideas such as having participants respond with a voice mail message annonoumously maybe with drop box or something? I have created a blog so hope I can create a survey without learning fancy web design. Thanks for any tips! > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/niall.j.gallagher.91%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Apr 15 14:14:19 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 10:14:19 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] creating surveys In-Reply-To: <47183562-496A-4F3B-98B1-C46AF7E3F6DD@gmail.com> References: <2C04DA3EA23B42DA9548B5EEC74705BC@OwnerPC> <47183562-496A-4F3B-98B1-C46AF7E3F6DD@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3271E4329BCF4BDCA01EC9FC485AAE72@OwnerPC> if you use this service, what format can you put the survey in? Multiple choice? How do you get people to take it? do they need a password? Also, how do you retrieve results? Will it analyze results for you? Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Niall Gallagher Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 9:57 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] creating surveys Hi, I recently used surveymonkey.com to evaluate my college course. the service allows you to create a survey comprising of 10 questions (free) or unlimited questions (subscription). Service is completely accessible and you can embed the survey on your blog. share on social networks, email, or web link. There is another service called poledaddy, but I haven't used this personally. Hope this information is of some help. Kindest regards, Niall. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 15, 2012, at 2:14 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: > Hi all, > > Well I found out I need to do some research for a research paper in > english. Well, except for interviews, this can be an accessibility > challenge since if I create a survey in paper, I cannot read the results. > I need a method like a survey or interview and since its on groups, this > would better with a survey. > > So, how can I create an online accessible survey? Where? and is it free? > Any other ideas such as having participants respond with a voice mail > message annonoumously maybe with drop box or something? I have created a > blog so hope I can create a survey without learning fancy web design. > Thanks for any tips! > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/niall.j.gallagher.91%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From Barbara.Mathews at sce.com Sun Apr 15 15:24:02 2012 From: Barbara.Mathews at sce.com (Barbara.Mathews at sce.com) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 08:24:02 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] iPhone and iPad In-Reply-To: <01ce01cd1aba$342f80a0$9c8e81e0$@net> References: <4f8996da.8abae00a.2524.3b27@mx.google.com> <01ce01cd1aba$342f80a0$9c8e81e0$@net> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From niall.j.gallagher.91 at gmail.com Sun Apr 15 15:30:28 2012 From: niall.j.gallagher.91 at gmail.com (Niall Gallagher) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 16:30:28 +0100 Subject: [nabs-l] creating surveys In-Reply-To: <3271E4329BCF4BDCA01EC9FC485AAE72@OwnerPC> References: <2C04DA3EA23B42DA9548B5EEC74705BC@OwnerPC> <47183562-496A-4F3B-98B1-C46AF7E3F6DD@gmail.com> <3271E4329BCF4BDCA01EC9FC485AAE72@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <8018F8E9-91A9-4B41-B07C-C8C70B86E6F4@gmail.com> Hi Ashley, It does everything for you. You begin by giving your survey a title. Then you input the text of your questions. You can choose from a wide range of answers, i.e. rating scale, multiple choice, drop down menus, essay or comment style text boxes, and others which I haven't explored. You can configure the way individuals take your survey, but in the case of mine, my class mates just clicked on the link, filled in the survey, and clicked done. The results are col'lected and analyzed by surveymonkey, you can view these results at anytime (and view the number of responses). In your case, you could create your survey, embed it on your blog, and then tell your participants to visit your blog. Individual links can be sent to individual participants via email. Kindest regards, Niall. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 15, 2012, at 3:14 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: > if you use this service, what format can you put the survey in? Multiple choice? > How do you get people to take it? do they need a password? > Also, how do you retrieve results? Will it analyze results for you? > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- From: Niall Gallagher > Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 9:57 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] creating surveys > > Hi, > > I recently used surveymonkey.com to evaluate my college course. > the service allows you to create a survey comprising of 10 questions (free) or unlimited questions (subscription). > Service is completely accessible and you can embed the survey on your blog. share on social networks, email, or web link. > There is another service called poledaddy, but I haven't used this personally. > > Hope this information is of some help. > > Kindest regards, > > Niall. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 15, 2012, at 2:14 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Well I found out I need to do some research for a research paper in english. Well, except for interviews, this can be an accessibility challenge since if I create a survey in paper, I cannot read the results. I need a method like a survey or interview and since its on groups, this would better with a survey. >> >> So, how can I create an online accessible survey? Where? and is it free? >> Any other ideas such as having participants respond with a voice mail message annonoumously maybe with drop box or something? I have created a blog so hope I can create a survey without learning fancy web design. Thanks for any tips! >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/niall.j.gallagher.91%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/niall.j.gallagher.91%40gmail.com From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Sun Apr 15 15:36:22 2012 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 08:36:22 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] The Cloud was Re: Accessibility of Microsoft Office 365 vs. Google apps for Education References: <000601cd19e0$309ac330$91d04990$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Doing stuff in the cloud is doing stuff over the internet and networks rather than on local machines. Sharing things on dropbox and Google docs is doing stuff in the cloud. Google now has a laptop that does not have anything much on the local machine, almost everything is on the internet. There are pros and cons to doing stuff in the cloud. In a nut shell, it is nice because you can access it from different machines, but it can be dangerous if there is not adequate security, and it can be no good if you don't have access to the internet. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 6:57 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accessibility of Microsoft Office 365 vs. Google apps for Education > Wow! > It appears, that I have to jump in here! > I was listening to the highlights, from past conventions, yesterday, > when I first heard of "The Cloud." > Then, you mentioned it, on this thread. > I must be behind times, so what is "the Cloud?" > Thanks, Joshua > > On 4/15/12, David Andrews wrote: >> Office 365 is Microsoft Office in the Cloud. We use MS Office 365 >> for e-mail where I work -- and I can see no difference between it and >> the client-server version of Outlook we previously used. >> >> I can't speak to other Office 365 programs, as we have just converted >> Mail, but it works well. >> >> Dave >> >> At 08:44 PM 4/13/2012, you wrote: >>>Hi Arielle, >>> >>>I've never heard of Office 365, but I assume from its name that it's a >>>version of Microsoft Office, which means it would have Microsoft Outlook. >>>I >>>used the Gmail Web site for a long time, and it was pretty accessible in >>> the >>>basic HTML mode. However, the problem with basic HTML was it had >>>something >>>like only 40 percent of the features offered in the standard view, which >>>isn't accessible. So, I would recommend Office for your purposes, but if >>> you >>>only want the basic features of email (send email, receive email, reply, >>>forward, etc,) you could use the Gmail Web site. However, overall, I'm >>>finding Outlook more efficient the more I use it. >>> >>>Hope this helps, >>> >>>Chris >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>> Behalf >>>Of Arielle Silverman >>>Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 9:46 PM >>>To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility of Microsoft Office 365 vs. Google apps >>>for >>>Education >>> >>>Hi all, >>>I got an email from my university's IT office asking students for >>>feedback >>>on which email platform to use in the future: Google Apps or Microsoft >>>Office 365. I know that Gmail is accessible but many of the other Google >>>apps are not yet; however I know nothing about MS-Office 365. I would >>>like >>>to give my university accurate suggestions about accessibility of the two >>>platforms. Could any of you advise me as to whether Office 365 is >>> accessible >>>and/or whether we should expect real improvements in the accessibility of >>>Google apps in the near future? >>>Best, >>>Arielle >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sun Apr 15 16:46:23 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 11:46:23 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] The Cloud was Re: Accessibility of Microsoft Office 365 vs. Google apps for Education In-Reply-To: References: <000601cd19e0$309ac330$91d04990$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the explanation. On 4/15/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: > Doing stuff in the cloud is doing stuff over the internet and networks > rather than on local machines. Sharing things on dropbox and Google docs is > doing stuff in the cloud. Google now has a laptop that does not have > anything much on the local machine, almost everything is on the internet. > There are pros and cons to doing stuff in the cloud. In a nut shell, it is > nice because you can access it from different machines, but it can be > dangerous if there is not adequate security, and it can be no good if you > don't have access to the internet. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 6:57 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accessibility of Microsoft Office 365 vs. Google apps > for Education > > >> Wow! >> It appears, that I have to jump in here! >> I was listening to the highlights, from past conventions, yesterday, >> when I first heard of "The Cloud." >> Then, you mentioned it, on this thread. >> I must be behind times, so what is "the Cloud?" >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> On 4/15/12, David Andrews wrote: >>> Office 365 is Microsoft Office in the Cloud. We use MS Office 365 >>> for e-mail where I work -- and I can see no difference between it and >>> the client-server version of Outlook we previously used. >>> >>> I can't speak to other Office 365 programs, as we have just converted >>> Mail, but it works well. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> At 08:44 PM 4/13/2012, you wrote: >>>>Hi Arielle, >>>> >>>>I've never heard of Office 365, but I assume from its name that it's a >>>>version of Microsoft Office, which means it would have Microsoft Outlook. >>>> >>>>I >>>>used the Gmail Web site for a long time, and it was pretty accessible in >>>> the >>>>basic HTML mode. However, the problem with basic HTML was it had >>>>something >>>>like only 40 percent of the features offered in the standard view, which >>>>isn't accessible. So, I would recommend Office for your purposes, but if >>>> you >>>>only want the basic features of email (send email, receive email, reply, >>>>forward, etc,) you could use the Gmail Web site. However, overall, I'm >>>>finding Outlook more efficient the more I use it. >>>> >>>>Hope this helps, >>>> >>>>Chris >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>> Behalf >>>>Of Arielle Silverman >>>>Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 9:46 PM >>>>To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility of Microsoft Office 365 vs. Google apps >>>>for >>>>Education >>>> >>>>Hi all, >>>>I got an email from my university's IT office asking students for >>>>feedback >>>>on which email platform to use in the future: Google Apps or Microsoft >>>>Office 365. I know that Gmail is accessible but many of the other Google >>>>apps are not yet; however I know nothing about MS-Office 365. I would >>>>like >>>>to give my university accurate suggestions about accessibility of the two >>>>platforms. Could any of you advise me as to whether Office 365 is >>>> accessible >>>>and/or whether we should expect real improvements in the accessibility of >>>>Google apps in the near future? >>>>Best, >>>>Arielle >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From dandrews at visi.com Sun Apr 15 23:31:02 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 18:31:02 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility of Microsoft Office 365 vs. Google apps for Education In-Reply-To: References: <000601cd19e0$309ac330$91d04990$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Well, if you read any technology stuff today you will quickly see references to the Cloud. Basically it is storage, applications and the like located at a remote site. You generally access them through a browser and the Internet. Instead of doing stuff, and storing stuff on your local PC, they are handled remotely, (in the cloud,) and you just connect to them as needed. Dave At 08:57 AM 4/15/2012, you wrote: >Wow! >It appears, that I have to jump in here! >I was listening to the highlights, from past conventions, yesterday, >when I first heard of "The Cloud." >Then, you mentioned it, on this thread. >I must be behind times, so what is "the Cloud?" >Thanks, Joshua > >On 4/15/12, David Andrews wrote: > > Office 365 is Microsoft Office in the Cloud. We use MS Office 365 > > for e-mail where I work -- and I can see no difference between it and > > the client-server version of Outlook we previously used. > > > > I can't speak to other Office 365 programs, as we have just converted > > Mail, but it works well. > > > > Dave > > > > At 08:44 PM 4/13/2012, you wrote: > >>Hi Arielle, > >> > >>I've never heard of Office 365, but I assume from its name that it's a > >>version of Microsoft Office, which means it would have Microsoft Outlook. I > >>used the Gmail Web site for a long time, and it was pretty accessible in > >> the > >>basic HTML mode. However, the problem with basic HTML was it had something > >>like only 40 percent of the features offered in the standard view, which > >>isn't accessible. So, I would recommend Office for your purposes, but if > >> you > >>only want the basic features of email (send email, receive email, reply, > >>forward, etc,) you could use the Gmail Web site. However, overall, I'm > >>finding Outlook more efficient the more I use it. > >> > >>Hope this helps, > >> > >>Chris > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > >> Behalf > >>Of Arielle Silverman > >>Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 9:46 PM > >>To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility of Microsoft Office 365 vs. Google apps for > >>Education > >> > >>Hi all, > >>I got an email from my university's IT office asking students for feedback > >>on which email platform to use in the future: Google Apps or Microsoft > >>Office 365. I know that Gmail is accessible but many of the other Google > >>apps are not yet; however I know nothing about MS-Office 365. I would like > >>to give my university accurate suggestions about accessibility of the two > >>platforms. Could any of you advise me as to whether Office 365 is > >> accessible > >>and/or whether we should expect real improvements in the accessibility of > >>Google apps in the near future? > >>Best, > >>Arielle From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Apr 16 00:24:35 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 20:24:35 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Freeze water balloons to keep drinks cold: Message-ID: <4f8b66eb.48bbe00a.1690.07fe@mx.google.com> Cool! :) Chris Nusbaum "For we walk by faith, not by sight." 2 Corinthians 5:7 Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Sarah Alawami Sorry, Mary Ellen, the chat already happened. It was on the Conversation Station. The recording of the chat will be available soon. I hope you can attend future chats! Chris Nusbaum "For we walk by faith, not by sight." 2 Corinthians 5:7 Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Ellen Sanchez" <000601cd19e0$309ac330$91d04990$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000901cd1b68$6776cc80$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Hello David and everyone, Cloud storage and applications can be a big money saver too. Rather than having to pay a lump sum for an application suite like Microsoft Office you "Subscribe" to a cloud-based version much like you would an online service such as NAPSTER, Rapsity, Apple T.V. etc. This can be a big plus for those on a budget. The down side is to be sure you keep your Internet Account and the service subscription paid. Another benefit to cloud apps and services is that you only pay for what you use. We use an online cloud-based file storage and retrieval service called JungleDisk. You only pay for the amount of storage you use per month, $0.15 per GB for example. Some services will also charge you for out-going band width incurred when you share files with others or create URLS from a Web site to files stored in your JungleDisk Cloud. For additional information about JungleDisk and other cloud applications visit: http://www.rackspace.com Hope this helps. Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Andrews" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accessibility of Microsoft Office 365 vs. Google apps for Education Well, if you read any technology stuff today you will quickly see references to the Cloud. Basically it is storage, applications and the like located at a remote site. You generally access them through a browser and the Internet. Instead of doing stuff, and storing stuff on your local PC, they are handled remotely, (in the cloud,) and you just connect to them as needed. Dave At 08:57 AM 4/15/2012, you wrote: >Wow! >It appears, that I have to jump in here! >I was listening to the highlights, from past conventions, yesterday, >when I first heard of "The Cloud." >Then, you mentioned it, on this thread. >I must be behind times, so what is "the Cloud?" >Thanks, Joshua > >On 4/15/12, David Andrews wrote: > > Office 365 is Microsoft Office in the Cloud. We use MS Office 365 > > for e-mail where I work -- and I can see no difference between it and > > the client-server version of Outlook we previously used. > > > > I can't speak to other Office 365 programs, as we have just converted > > Mail, but it works well. > > > > Dave > > > > At 08:44 PM 4/13/2012, you wrote: > >>Hi Arielle, > >> > >>I've never heard of Office 365, but I assume from its name that it's a > >>version of Microsoft Office, which means it would have Microsoft > >>Outlook. I > >>used the Gmail Web site for a long time, and it was pretty accessible in > >> the > >>basic HTML mode. However, the problem with basic HTML was it had > >>something > >>like only 40 percent of the features offered in the standard view, which > >>isn't accessible. So, I would recommend Office for your purposes, but if > >> you > >>only want the basic features of email (send email, receive email, reply, > >>forward, etc,) you could use the Gmail Web site. However, overall, I'm > >>finding Outlook more efficient the more I use it. > >> > >>Hope this helps, > >> > >>Chris > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > >> Behalf > >>Of Arielle Silverman > >>Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 9:46 PM > >>To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility of Microsoft Office 365 vs. Google apps > >>for > >>Education > >> > >>Hi all, > >>I got an email from my university's IT office asking students for > >>feedback > >>on which email platform to use in the future: Google Apps or Microsoft > >>Office 365. I know that Gmail is accessible but many of the other Google > >>apps are not yet; however I know nothing about MS-Office 365. I would > >>like > >>to give my university accurate suggestions about accessibility of the > >>two > >>platforms. Could any of you advise me as to whether Office 365 is > >> accessible > >>and/or whether we should expect real improvements in the accessibility > >>of > >>Google apps in the near future? > >>Best, > >>Arielle _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com From cassonw at gmail.com Mon Apr 16 16:28:03 2012 From: cassonw at gmail.com (Bill) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 10:28:03 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] problems for a blind friend in New York In-Reply-To: <000401cd19dc$2e180cc0$8a482640$@gmail.com> References: <4f88b44e.c3043c0a.1255.fffff7fb@mx.google.com> <000401cd19dc$2e180cc0$8a482640$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello, I am a graduate of the ccb. If the person wants training, he should contact the center. Julie and Robert are fimiliar with getting the rehab agencies to pay for training and will probably be the best place to start with. They will be able to assess his situation and givbe him guidance on what to do next or who to contact to manipulate the state into sending him to a training center like the CCB. HTH, Bill PS. Also feel free to contact me off list if you have more questions. On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 7:16 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > I see! Wow; I am so fortunate to have parents who aren't so overprotective > and actually encourage my independence! > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Beth > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 7:18 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] problems for a blind friend in New York > > Thanks, Chris.  Skype me when you get the chance.  I want to make sure my > friend arrives safely in Denver before mommy can say no. > :) > Beth > >  ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris Nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 19:01:36 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] problems for a blind friend in New York > > Hi Beth, > > Wow! I looked up the resource list for New York on the NFB Web site, which > has the contact information for Carl Jacobsen, the President of the NFB > affiliate there, as well as other information of interest to blind people in > New York.  Here, copied and pasted from the Web site, is the contact > information for the NFB of New York: > >  NFB of New York >  Carl Jacobsen, President > Post Office Box 205666 > Sunset Station > New York, New York 11220 > NFB of NY: 718-567-7821 > E-mail: office at nfbny.org > Web site: http:www.nfbny.org/ > > NFB Parents of Blind Children > > Maria Garcia, President > New York Parents of Blind Children > Phone: 212-222-1705 > E-mail: pobcny%verizonsionet > Web site: http:www.pobcny.org. > > I hope this helps! Good luck! > > Chris > > Chris Nusbaum > > "For we walk by faith, not by sight." > 2 Corinthians 5:7 > > Sent from my BrailleNote > >  ----- Original Message ----- > From: Beth To: "nabs-l at nfbnet.org"  sent: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 22:26:26 -0600 > Subject: [nabs-l] problems for a blind friend in New York > > Hi, all. > A blind friend of mine in a small New York town needs NFB training because > let's just say that the NY Commission for the Blind is giving him hell. > This young man is 20 years old and wants to work at a radio station, but his > parents are trying to stop him.  He's complained multiple times about not > getting from the Commission what he wants.  I recommended the Denver > program, CCB to be exact, and then I gave him Julie's email address so he > could hook up with her and get the ball rolling.  But I see problems in > getting the NY Commission to pay for the trainng. > Who should he contact?  The NY NFB president?  The local chapter president? > Who are these people?  I would like to forward this info to my friend so he > can get started.  Also, any New Yorkers out there are welcome to tell me > about the commission's policies and how to get free choice from them. > This is a similar situation that I've ben in before. > Beth > > Sent from my iPod > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo > se%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cassonw%40gmail.com -- Bill Casson University of New Mexico M.S. Computer Science Lewis & Clark Alumnus '11 B.A. Physics and Math/Comp Sci. (505) 695-1374 cassonw at gmail.com From wvucountrygirl729 at gmail.com Mon Apr 16 17:34:12 2012 From: wvucountrygirl729 at gmail.com (keri) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 13:34:12 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments Message-ID: <335C74F1BC8141FC92C2DF1A3816A9F3@klhurstl1> greetings, My bf and I are about to move into an apartment in the New York City area.... We both live on SSI for the time being... We are in need of apartment recommendations that we can aford... We are both college students. We prefer Statin Island but are open to suggestions in the city area. thanks, keri "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will speak my heart." --Robert Sexton "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it." --Ivan Panin Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. From brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net Mon Apr 16 17:59:01 2012 From: brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net (Brian Hatgelakas) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 13:59:01 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments References: <335C74F1BC8141FC92C2DF1A3816A9F3@klhurstl1> Message-ID: <000d01cd1bfa$9af65020$1400ba43@BRIAN> You and your boy friend shouldn't be "Shacking up" or living together before you get married. That's the advice I'd give you two as a Christian guy. You have a higher percent chance of divorce if you do this. ----- Original Message ----- From: "keri" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:34 PM Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments > greetings, > > My bf and I are about to move into an apartment in the New York City > area.... We both live on SSI for the time being... We are in need of > apartment recommendations that we can aford... We are both college > students. We prefer Statin Island but are open to suggestions in the city > area. > thanks, > keri > > "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want > to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will > speak my heart." > --Robert Sexton > > "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth > there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart > somewhere to receive it." > --Ivan Panin > > Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put > it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brian.hatgelakas%40verizon.net From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Mon Apr 16 18:09:58 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 13:09:58 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments In-Reply-To: <000d01cd1bfa$9af65020$1400ba43@BRIAN> References: <335C74F1BC8141FC92C2DF1A3816A9F3@klhurstl1> <000d01cd1bfa$9af65020$1400ba43@BRIAN> Message-ID: That's awesome, that someone else, still has old fashioned values, here! Blessings, Joshua On 4/16/12, Brian Hatgelakas wrote: > You and your boy friend shouldn't be "Shacking up" or living together > before you get married. That's the advice I'd give you two as a Christian > guy. You have a higher percent chance of divorce if you do this. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "keri" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:34 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments > > >> greetings, >> >> My bf and I are about to move into an apartment in the New York City >> area.... We both live on SSI for the time being... We are in need of >> apartment recommendations that we can aford... We are both college >> students. We prefer Statin Island but are open to suggestions in the city >> area. >> thanks, >> keri >> >> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want >> to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will >> speak my heart." >> --Robert Sexton >> >> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >> there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart >> somewhere to receive it." >> --Ivan Panin >> >> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put >> it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brian.hatgelakas%40verizon.net >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From leanicole1988 at gmail.com Mon Apr 16 18:16:53 2012 From: leanicole1988 at gmail.com (Lea williams) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 14:16:53 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments In-Reply-To: References: <335C74F1BC8141FC92C2DF1A3816A9F3@klhurstl1> <000d01cd1bfa$9af65020$1400ba43@BRIAN> Message-ID: OK, I too am a Christian and believe that sertant things should be with held until marage but, I also know that judging is not ours but, Gods job to do. This Young lady came to us for advice on apartments in New York, not morals. I am sorry you have to deal with this and i hope that it stops and I would love to help you in any way I can. I live in North Carolina and have no idea of New York but I am going to be in New York in June to get a guide dog. I could ask about things then and then contact you back with what I learn. I will be willing to do this because I too am interested in New York apartments. I hope you find better advice that pertains more to your question. Please wright me off list if anyone has more to say to me. Thank you On 4/16/12, Joshua Lester wrote: > That's awesome, that someone else, still has old fashioned values, here! > Blessings, Joshua > > On 4/16/12, Brian Hatgelakas wrote: >> You and your boy friend shouldn't be "Shacking up" or living together >> before you get married. That's the advice I'd give you two as a Christian >> guy. You have a higher percent chance of divorce if you do this. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "keri" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:34 PM >> Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >> >> >>> greetings, >>> >>> My bf and I are about to move into an apartment in the New York City >>> area.... We both live on SSI for the time being... We are in need of >>> apartment recommendations that we can aford... We are both college >>> students. We prefer Statin Island but are open to suggestions in the city >>> area. >>> thanks, >>> keri >>> >>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want >>> to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will >>> speak my heart." >>> --Robert Sexton >>> >>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >>> there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart >>> somewhere to receive it." >>> --Ivan Panin >>> >>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put >>> it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brian.hatgelakas%40verizon.net >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com > -- Lea Williams Phone; 704-732-4470 Skipe; Lea.williams738 Facebook http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 Twitter http://twitter.com/LeaNicole1988 From brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net Mon Apr 16 18:18:04 2012 From: brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net (Brian Hatgelakas) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 14:18:04 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments References: <335C74F1BC8141FC92C2DF1A3816A9F3@klhurstl1> <000d01cd1bfa$9af65020$1400ba43@BRIAN> Message-ID: <000b01cd1bfd$445fb050$1400ba43@BRIAN> Thanks Josh. I plan on not living with my girl friend until we are married. She like me has these values. Also she is fully sighted and believes hole heartedly in the NFB philosophies. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments > That's awesome, that someone else, still has old fashioned values, here! > Blessings, Joshua > > On 4/16/12, Brian Hatgelakas wrote: >> You and your boy friend shouldn't be "Shacking up" or living together >> before you get married. That's the advice I'd give you two as a >> Christian >> guy. You have a higher percent chance of divorce if you do this. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "keri" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:34 PM >> Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >> >> >>> greetings, >>> >>> My bf and I are about to move into an apartment in the New York City >>> area.... We both live on SSI for the time being... We are in need of >>> apartment recommendations that we can aford... We are both college >>> students. We prefer Statin Island but are open to suggestions in the >>> city >>> area. >>> thanks, >>> keri >>> >>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want >>> to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will >>> speak my heart." >>> --Robert Sexton >>> >>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >>> there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart >>> somewhere to receive it." >>> --Ivan Panin >>> >>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & >>> put >>> it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brian.hatgelakas%40verizon.net >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brian.hatgelakas%40verizon.net From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Mon Apr 16 18:26:18 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 13:26:18 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments In-Reply-To: <000b01cd1bfd$445fb050$1400ba43@BRIAN> References: <335C74F1BC8141FC92C2DF1A3816A9F3@klhurstl1> <000d01cd1bfa$9af65020$1400ba43@BRIAN> <000b01cd1bfd$445fb050$1400ba43@BRIAN> Message-ID: Great! BTW, back to your radio show, please write me offlist. Do you have a Website, where I can listen to the show? Now, to the advice on the appartments, I hope someone can give you some advice on this, as well. Blessings, Joshua On 4/16/12, Brian Hatgelakas wrote: > Thanks Josh. I plan on not living with my girl friend until we are married. > She like me has these values. Also she is fully sighted and believes hole > heartedly in the NFB philosophies. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 2:09 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments > > >> That's awesome, that someone else, still has old fashioned values, here! >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 4/16/12, Brian Hatgelakas wrote: >>> You and your boy friend shouldn't be "Shacking up" or living together >>> before you get married. That's the advice I'd give you two as a >>> Christian >>> guy. You have a higher percent chance of divorce if you do this. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "keri" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:34 PM >>> Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>> >>> >>>> greetings, >>>> >>>> My bf and I are about to move into an apartment in the New York City >>>> area.... We both live on SSI for the time being... We are in need of >>>> apartment recommendations that we can aford... We are both college >>>> students. We prefer Statin Island but are open to suggestions in the >>>> city >>>> area. >>>> thanks, >>>> keri >>>> >>>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want >>>> to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will >>>> speak my heart." >>>> --Robert Sexton >>>> >>>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >>>> there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart >>>> somewhere to receive it." >>>> --Ivan Panin >>>> >>>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & >>>> put >>>> it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brian.hatgelakas%40verizon.net >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brian.hatgelakas%40verizon.net >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From leanicole1988 at gmail.com Mon Apr 16 18:30:43 2012 From: leanicole1988 at gmail.com (Lea williams) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 14:30:43 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] problems for a blind friend in New York In-Reply-To: References: <4f88b44e.c3043c0a.1255.fffff7fb@mx.google.com> <000401cd19dc$2e180cc0$8a482640$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hey, If any one of you has any knowledge about apartment living in New York, please email me off list thanks On 4/16/12, Bill wrote: > Hello, > I am a graduate of the ccb. If the person wants training, he should > contact the center. Julie and Robert are fimiliar with getting the > rehab agencies to pay for training and will probably be the best place > to start with. They will be able to assess his situation and givbe him > guidance on what to do next or who to contact to manipulate the state > into sending him to a training center like the CCB. > HTH, > Bill > PS. Also feel free to contact me off list if you have more questions. > > > On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 7:16 PM, Chris Nusbaum > wrote: >> I see! Wow; I am so fortunate to have parents who aren't so overprotective >> and actually encourage my independence! >> >> Chris >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Beth >> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 7:18 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] problems for a blind friend in New York >> >> Thanks, Chris.  Skype me when you get the chance.  I want to make sure my >> friend arrives safely in Denver before mommy can say no. >> :) >> Beth >> >>  ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Chris Nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list> Date sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 19:01:36 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] problems for a blind friend in New York >> >> Hi Beth, >> >> Wow! I looked up the resource list for New York on the NFB Web site, which >> has the contact information for Carl Jacobsen, the President of the NFB >> affiliate there, as well as other information of interest to blind people >> in >> New York.  Here, copied and pasted from the Web site, is the contact >> information for the NFB of New York: >> >>  NFB of New York >>  Carl Jacobsen, President >> Post Office Box 205666 >> Sunset Station >> New York, New York 11220 >> NFB of NY: 718-567-7821 >> E-mail: office at nfbny.org >> Web site: http:www.nfbny.org/ >> >> NFB Parents of Blind Children >> >> Maria Garcia, President >> New York Parents of Blind Children >> Phone: 212-222-1705 >> E-mail: pobcny%verizonsionet >> Web site: http:www.pobcny.org. >> >> I hope this helps! Good luck! >> >> Chris >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> "For we walk by faith, not by sight." >> 2 Corinthians 5:7 >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >>  ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Beth > To: "nabs-l at nfbnet.org" >  sent: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 22:26:26 -0600 >> Subject: [nabs-l] problems for a blind friend in New York >> >> Hi, all. >> A blind friend of mine in a small New York town needs NFB training because >> let's just say that the NY Commission for the Blind is giving him hell. >> This young man is 20 years old and wants to work at a radio station, but >> his >> parents are trying to stop him.  He's complained multiple times about not >> getting from the Commission what he wants.  I recommended the Denver >> program, CCB to be exact, and then I gave him Julie's email address so he >> could hook up with her and get the ball rolling.  But I see problems in >> getting the NY Commission to pay for the trainng. >> Who should he contact?  The NY NFB president?  The local chapter >> president? >> Who are these people?  I would like to forward this info to my friend so >> he >> can get started.  Also, any New Yorkers out there are welcome to tell me >> about the commission's policies and how to get free choice from them. >> This is a similar situation that I've ben in before. >> Beth >> >> Sent from my iPod >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >> m%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo >> se%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c >> om >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cassonw%40gmail.com > > > > -- > Bill Casson > University of New Mexico > M.S. Computer Science > Lewis & Clark Alumnus '11 > B.A. Physics and Math/Comp Sci. > (505) 695-1374 > cassonw at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com > -- Lea Williams Phone; 704-732-4470 Skipe; Lea.williams738 Facebook http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 Twitter http://twitter.com/LeaNicole1988 From lizmohnke at hotmail.com Mon Apr 16 19:14:56 2012 From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 15:14:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments In-Reply-To: <000d01cd1bfa$9af65020$1400ba43@BRIAN> References: <335C74F1BC8141FC92C2DF1A3816A9F3@klhurstl1> <000d01cd1bfa$9af65020$1400ba43@BRIAN> Message-ID: Hello Brian, I believe the intent of this email list is to discuss issues relevant to being a blind student. Therefore, I do not believe this is the proper place to judge others based upon their own religious beliefs or lack thereof. Others may not believe the same as you, and their beliefs should be respected. If you wish to debate religious topics, I believe there are other forums and email lists devoted for this purpose. Thanks, Elizabeth -------------------------------------------------- From: "Brian Hatgelakas" Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:59 PM To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments > You and your boy friend shouldn't be "Shacking up" or living together > before you get married. That's the advice I'd give you two as a Christian > guy. You have a higher percent chance of divorce if you do this. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "keri" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:34 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments > > >> greetings, >> >> My bf and I are about to move into an apartment in the New York City >> area.... We both live on SSI for the time being... We are in need of >> apartment recommendations that we can aford... We are both college >> students. We prefer Statin Island but are open to suggestions in the city >> area. >> thanks, >> keri >> >> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want >> to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will >> speak my heart." >> --Robert Sexton >> >> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >> there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart >> somewhere to receive it." >> --Ivan Panin >> >> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put >> it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brian.hatgelakas%40verizon.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Mon Apr 16 19:16:56 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 14:16:56 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments In-Reply-To: References: <335C74F1BC8141FC92C2DF1A3816A9F3@klhurstl1> <000d01cd1bfa$9af65020$1400ba43@BRIAN> Message-ID: This has nothing to do with religious values. He was just stating facts, (IMO.) Blessings, Joshua On 4/16/12, Elizabeth wrote: > Hello Brian, > > I believe the intent of this email list is to discuss issues relevant to > being a blind student. Therefore, I do not believe this is the proper place > to judge others based upon their own religious beliefs or lack thereof. > Others may not believe the same as you, and their beliefs should be > respected. If you wish to debate religious topics, I believe there are other > forums and email lists devoted for this purpose. > > Thanks, > Elizabeth > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Brian Hatgelakas" > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:59 PM > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments > >> You and your boy friend shouldn't be "Shacking up" or living together >> before you get married. That's the advice I'd give you two as a Christian >> >> guy. You have a higher percent chance of divorce if you do this. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "keri" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:34 PM >> Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >> >> >>> greetings, >>> >>> My bf and I are about to move into an apartment in the New York City >>> area.... We both live on SSI for the time being... We are in need of >>> apartment recommendations that we can aford... We are both college >>> students. We prefer Statin Island but are open to suggestions in the city >>> >>> area. >>> thanks, >>> keri >>> >>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want >>> to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will >>> speak my heart." >>> --Robert Sexton >>> >>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >>> there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart >>> somewhere to receive it." >>> --Ivan Panin >>> >>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put >>> >>> it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brian.hatgelakas%40verizon.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From marsha.drenth at gmail.com Mon Apr 16 20:05:06 2012 From: marsha.drenth at gmail.com (Marsha Drenth) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 16:05:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments In-Reply-To: References: <335C74F1BC8141FC92C2DF1A3816A9F3@klhurstl1><000d01cd1bfa$9af65020$1400ba43@BRIAN> Message-ID: <3703801C627E40B0BCAD27939FE80D73@Cptr233> The fact that Bryan said, "You and your boy friend shouldn't be "Shacking up" or living together before you get married. That's the advice I'd give you two as a Christian". Is stating that this is a Christian value. That is clearly what the bible says, and is a Christian value. But this is not a fact for a person who does not practice Christian values. None of us have the right to judge others, no matter what religion you are. We might not approve of the actions, but she was asking for information, not judgment. This is a list for students, and as Elizabeth said, there plenty of other places that religious values can be discussed. But this list is not one of them. You can believe what you like, no one is telling you can't. But the fact is that in America we have freedom to think, do, say, what we want. Marsha -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 3:17 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments This has nothing to do with religious values. He was just stating facts, (IMO.) Blessings, Joshua On 4/16/12, Elizabeth wrote: > Hello Brian, > > I believe the intent of this email list is to discuss issues relevant to > being a blind student. Therefore, I do not believe this is the proper place > to judge others based upon their own religious beliefs or lack thereof. > Others may not believe the same as you, and their beliefs should be > respected. If you wish to debate religious topics, I believe there are other > forums and email lists devoted for this purpose. > > Thanks, > Elizabeth > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Brian Hatgelakas" > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:59 PM > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments > >> You and your boy friend shouldn't be "Shacking up" or living together >> before you get married. That's the advice I'd give you two as a Christian >> >> guy. You have a higher percent chance of divorce if you do this. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "keri" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:34 PM >> Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >> >> >>> greetings, >>> >>> My bf and I are about to move into an apartment in the New York City >>> area.... We both live on SSI for the time being... We are in need of >>> apartment recommendations that we can aford... We are both college >>> students. We prefer Statin Island but are open to suggestions in the city >>> >>> area. >>> thanks, >>> keri >>> >>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want >>> to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will >>> speak my heart." >>> --Robert Sexton >>> >>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >>> there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart >>> somewhere to receive it." >>> --Ivan Panin >>> >>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put >>> >>> it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brian.hatgelakas%40veriz on.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p ccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co m __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7045 (20120411) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7045 (20120411) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Mon Apr 16 20:08:33 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 15:08:33 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments In-Reply-To: <3703801C627E40B0BCAD27939FE80D73@Cptr233> References: <335C74F1BC8141FC92C2DF1A3816A9F3@klhurstl1> <000d01cd1bfa$9af65020$1400ba43@BRIAN> <3703801C627E40B0BCAD27939FE80D73@Cptr233> Message-ID: The fact that he stated was about the divorce rate. I agree, that the comment shouldn't have been made here, but the reason that he gave is valid. Blessings, Joshua On 4/16/12, Marsha Drenth wrote: > The fact that Bryan said, "You and your boy friend shouldn't be "Shacking > up" or living together before you get married. That's the advice I'd give > you two as a Christian". Is stating that this is a Christian value. That is > clearly what the bible says, and is a Christian value. But this is not a > fact for a person who does not practice Christian values. None of us have > the right to judge others, no matter what religion you are. We might not > approve of the actions, but she was asking for information, not judgment. > > This is a list for students, and as Elizabeth said, there plenty of other > places that religious values can be discussed. But this list is not one of > them. You can believe what you like, no one is telling you can't. But the > fact is that in America we have freedom to think, do, say, what we want. > > Marsha > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 3:17 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments > > This has nothing to do with religious values. > He was just stating facts, (IMO.) > Blessings, Joshua > > On 4/16/12, Elizabeth wrote: >> Hello Brian, >> >> I believe the intent of this email list is to discuss issues relevant to >> being a blind student. Therefore, I do not believe this is the proper > place >> to judge others based upon their own religious beliefs or lack thereof. >> Others may not believe the same as you, and their beliefs should be >> respected. If you wish to debate religious topics, I believe there are > other >> forums and email lists devoted for this purpose. >> >> Thanks, >> Elizabeth >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Brian Hatgelakas" >> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:59 PM >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >> >>> You and your boy friend shouldn't be "Shacking up" or living together >>> before you get married. That's the advice I'd give you two as a > Christian >>> >>> guy. You have a higher percent chance of divorce if you do this. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "keri" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:34 PM >>> Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>> >>> >>>> greetings, >>>> >>>> My bf and I are about to move into an apartment in the New York City >>>> area.... We both live on SSI for the time being... We are in need of >>>> apartment recommendations that we can aford... We are both college >>>> students. We prefer Statin Island but are open to suggestions in the > city >>>> >>>> area. >>>> thanks, >>>> keri >>>> >>>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want >>>> to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will >>>> speak my heart." >>>> --Robert Sexton >>>> >>>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >>>> there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart >>>> somewhere to receive it." >>>> --Ivan Panin >>>> >>>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & > put >>>> >>>> it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brian.hatgelakas%40veriz > on.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p > ccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co > m > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 7045 (20120411) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 7045 (20120411) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From arielle71 at gmail.com Mon Apr 16 20:29:25 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 14:29:25 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments In-Reply-To: References: <335C74F1BC8141FC92C2DF1A3816A9F3@klhurstl1> <000d01cd1bfa$9af65020$1400ba43@BRIAN> <3703801C627E40B0BCAD27939FE80D73@Cptr233> Message-ID: Hi all, I can't overemphasize the fact that this list's discussions need to be about blindness. Asking about housing options that are affordable for someone on SSI is a blindness-related query, I think, but criticizing someone's decision to live with her boyfriend before marriage or not is not blindness-related. It's also not conducive to amicable interaction, especially when religion gets involved. As to the question at hand, about affordable housing, I'd suggest looking at New York's Craigslist if you haven't already. New York is expensive, but you may be able to find sublet or room-sharing options that are in your price range. You may also qualify for Section 8 low-income housing. The discussion of whether or not "shacking up" before marriage leads to higher divorce rates is an interesting but complicated issue. As stated before, it's not blindness-related, so I urge you guys to take the debate off this list. Respectfully, Arielle Silverman, former listserv chair, NABS board member and NABS president On 4/16/12, Joshua Lester wrote: > The fact that he stated was about the divorce rate. > I agree, that the comment shouldn't have been made here, but the > reason that he gave is valid. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 4/16/12, Marsha Drenth wrote: >> The fact that Bryan said, "You and your boy friend shouldn't be "Shacking >> up" or living together before you get married. That's the advice I'd >> give >> you two as a Christian". Is stating that this is a Christian value. That >> is >> clearly what the bible says, and is a Christian value. But this is not a >> fact for a person who does not practice Christian values. None of us have >> the right to judge others, no matter what religion you are. We might not >> approve of the actions, but she was asking for information, not judgment. >> >> This is a list for students, and as Elizabeth said, there plenty of other >> places that religious values can be discussed. But this list is not one of >> them. You can believe what you like, no one is telling you can't. But the >> fact is that in America we have freedom to think, do, say, what we want. >> >> Marsha >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Joshua Lester >> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 3:17 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >> >> This has nothing to do with religious values. >> He was just stating facts, (IMO.) >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 4/16/12, Elizabeth wrote: >>> Hello Brian, >>> >>> I believe the intent of this email list is to discuss issues relevant to >>> being a blind student. Therefore, I do not believe this is the proper >> place >>> to judge others based upon their own religious beliefs or lack thereof. >>> Others may not believe the same as you, and their beliefs should be >>> respected. If you wish to debate religious topics, I believe there are >> other >>> forums and email lists devoted for this purpose. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Elizabeth >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "Brian Hatgelakas" >>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:59 PM >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>> >>>> You and your boy friend shouldn't be "Shacking up" or living together >>>> before you get married. That's the advice I'd give you two as a >> Christian >>>> >>>> guy. You have a higher percent chance of divorce if you do this. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "keri" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:34 PM >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>>> >>>> >>>>> greetings, >>>>> >>>>> My bf and I are about to move into an apartment in the New York City >>>>> area.... We both live on SSI for the time being... We are in need of >>>>> apartment recommendations that we can aford... We are both college >>>>> students. We prefer Statin Island but are open to suggestions in the >> city >>>>> >>>>> area. >>>>> thanks, >>>>> keri >>>>> >>>>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I >>>>> want >>>>> to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes >>>>> will >>>>> speak my heart." >>>>> --Robert Sexton >>>>> >>>>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >>>>> there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart >>>>> somewhere to receive it." >>>>> --Ivan Panin >>>>> >>>>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & >> put >>>>> >>>>> it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brian.hatgelakas%40veriz >> on.net >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p >> ccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co >> m >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature >> database 7045 (20120411) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature >> database 7045 (20120411) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Mon Apr 16 20:33:25 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 15:33:25 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments In-Reply-To: References: <335C74F1BC8141FC92C2DF1A3816A9F3@klhurstl1> <000d01cd1bfa$9af65020$1400ba43@BRIAN> <3703801C627E40B0BCAD27939FE80D73@Cptr233> Message-ID: My sentiments exactly! Since you brought up SSI, it makes me mad, that the governemt wants to fight, to keep us blind people, on it! I'll start a thread on SSI, since you brought it up. Blessings, Joshua On 4/16/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi all, > I can't overemphasize the fact that this list's discussions need to be > about blindness. Asking about housing options that are affordable for > someone on SSI is a blindness-related query, I think, but criticizing > someone's decision to live with her boyfriend before marriage or not > is not blindness-related. It's also not conducive to amicable > interaction, especially when religion gets involved. > As to the question at hand, about affordable housing, I'd suggest > looking at New York's Craigslist if you haven't already. New York is > expensive, but you may be able to find sublet or room-sharing options > that are in your price range. You may also qualify for Section 8 > low-income housing. > The discussion of whether or not "shacking up" before marriage leads > to higher divorce rates is an interesting but complicated issue. As > stated before, it's not blindness-related, so I urge you guys to take > the debate off this list. > Respectfully, > Arielle Silverman, former listserv chair, NABS board member and NABS > president > > On 4/16/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >> The fact that he stated was about the divorce rate. >> I agree, that the comment shouldn't have been made here, but the >> reason that he gave is valid. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 4/16/12, Marsha Drenth wrote: >>> The fact that Bryan said, "You and your boy friend shouldn't be "Shacking >>> up" or living together before you get married. That's the advice I'd >>> give >>> you two as a Christian". Is stating that this is a Christian value. That >>> is >>> clearly what the bible says, and is a Christian value. But this is not a >>> fact for a person who does not practice Christian values. None of us have >>> the right to judge others, no matter what religion you are. We might not >>> approve of the actions, but she was asking for information, not judgment. >>> >>> This is a list for students, and as Elizabeth said, there plenty of other >>> places that religious values can be discussed. But this list is not one >>> of >>> them. You can believe what you like, no one is telling you can't. But the >>> fact is that in America we have freedom to think, do, say, what we want. >>> >>> Marsha >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Joshua Lester >>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 3:17 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>> >>> This has nothing to do with religious values. >>> He was just stating facts, (IMO.) >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 4/16/12, Elizabeth wrote: >>>> Hello Brian, >>>> >>>> I believe the intent of this email list is to discuss issues relevant to >>>> being a blind student. Therefore, I do not believe this is the proper >>> place >>>> to judge others based upon their own religious beliefs or lack thereof. >>>> Others may not believe the same as you, and their beliefs should be >>>> respected. If you wish to debate religious topics, I believe there are >>> other >>>> forums and email lists devoted for this purpose. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Elizabeth >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: "Brian Hatgelakas" >>>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:59 PM >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>>> >>>>> You and your boy friend shouldn't be "Shacking up" or living together >>>>> before you get married. That's the advice I'd give you two as a >>> Christian >>>>> >>>>> guy. You have a higher percent chance of divorce if you do this. >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "keri" >>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>> >>>>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:34 PM >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> greetings, >>>>>> >>>>>> My bf and I are about to move into an apartment in the New York City >>>>>> area.... We both live on SSI for the time being... We are in need of >>>>>> apartment recommendations that we can aford... We are both college >>>>>> students. We prefer Statin Island but are open to suggestions in the >>> city >>>>>> >>>>>> area. >>>>>> thanks, >>>>>> keri >>>>>> >>>>>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I >>>>>> want >>>>>> to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes >>>>>> will >>>>>> speak my heart." >>>>>> --Robert Sexton >>>>>> >>>>>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >>>>>> there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart >>>>>> somewhere to receive it." >>>>>> --Ivan Panin >>>>>> >>>>>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & >>> put >>>>>> >>>>>> it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brian.hatgelakas%40veriz >>> on.net >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p >>> ccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co >>> m >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>> signature >>> database 7045 (20120411) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>> signature >>> database 7045 (20120411) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com Mon Apr 16 20:46:16 2012 From: franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com (Jonathan Franks) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 15:46:16 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments In-Reply-To: References: <335C74F1BC8141FC92C2DF1A3816A9F3@klhurstl1> <000d01cd1bfa$9af65020$1400ba43@BRIAN> <3703801C627E40B0BCAD27939FE80D73@Cptr233> Message-ID: <08F7AE64-BDFE-4F4E-8E2E-6B0B8BC080F3@gmail.com> It is up to the person and if they areild enough to handle what comes with that decision Sent from my iPhone On Apr 16, 2012, at 3:29 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi all, > I can't overemphasize the fact that this list's discussions need to be > about blindness. Asking about housing options that are affordable for > someone on SSI is a blindness-related query, I think, but criticizing > someone's decision to live with her boyfriend before marriage or not > is not blindness-related. It's also not conducive to amicable > interaction, especially when religion gets involved. > As to the question at hand, about affordable housing, I'd suggest > looking at New York's Craigslist if you haven't already. New York is > expensive, but you may be able to find sublet or room-sharing options > that are in your price range. You may also qualify for Section 8 > low-income housing. > The discussion of whether or not "shacking up" before marriage leads > to higher divorce rates is an interesting but complicated issue. As > stated before, it's not blindness-related, so I urge you guys to take > the debate off this list. > Respectfully, > Arielle Silverman, former listserv chair, NABS board member and NABS president > > On 4/16/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >> The fact that he stated was about the divorce rate. >> I agree, that the comment shouldn't have been made here, but the >> reason that he gave is valid. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 4/16/12, Marsha Drenth wrote: >>> The fact that Bryan said, "You and your boy friend shouldn't be "Shacking >>> up" or living together before you get married. That's the advice I'd >>> give >>> you two as a Christian". Is stating that this is a Christian value. That >>> is >>> clearly what the bible says, and is a Christian value. But this is not a >>> fact for a person who does not practice Christian values. None of us have >>> the right to judge others, no matter what religion you are. We might not >>> approve of the actions, but she was asking for information, not judgment. >>> >>> This is a list for students, and as Elizabeth said, there plenty of other >>> places that religious values can be discussed. But this list is not one of >>> them. You can believe what you like, no one is telling you can't. But the >>> fact is that in America we have freedom to think, do, say, what we want. >>> >>> Marsha >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Joshua Lester >>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 3:17 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>> >>> This has nothing to do with religious values. >>> He was just stating facts, (IMO.) >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 4/16/12, Elizabeth wrote: >>>> Hello Brian, >>>> >>>> I believe the intent of this email list is to discuss issues relevant to >>>> being a blind student. Therefore, I do not believe this is the proper >>> place >>>> to judge others based upon their own religious beliefs or lack thereof. >>>> Others may not believe the same as you, and their beliefs should be >>>> respected. If you wish to debate religious topics, I believe there are >>> other >>>> forums and email lists devoted for this purpose. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Elizabeth >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: "Brian Hatgelakas" >>>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:59 PM >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>>> >>>>> You and your boy friend shouldn't be "Shacking up" or living together >>>>> before you get married. That's the advice I'd give you two as a >>> Christian >>>>> >>>>> guy. You have a higher percent chance of divorce if you do this. >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "keri" >>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>> >>>>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:34 PM >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> greetings, >>>>>> >>>>>> My bf and I are about to move into an apartment in the New York City >>>>>> area.... We both live on SSI for the time being... We are in need of >>>>>> apartment recommendations that we can aford... We are both college >>>>>> students. We prefer Statin Island but are open to suggestions in the >>> city >>>>>> >>>>>> area. >>>>>> thanks, >>>>>> keri >>>>>> >>>>>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I >>>>>> want >>>>>> to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes >>>>>> will >>>>>> speak my heart." >>>>>> --Robert Sexton >>>>>> >>>>>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >>>>>> there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart >>>>>> somewhere to receive it." >>>>>> --Ivan Panin >>>>>> >>>>>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & >>> put >>>>>> >>>>>> it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brian.hatgelakas%40veriz >>> on.net >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p >>> ccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co >>> m >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>> signature >>> database 7045 (20120411) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>> signature >>> database 7045 (20120411) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/franks.jonathan13%40gmail.com From cbuckley at pdx.edu Mon Apr 16 21:20:47 2012 From: cbuckley at pdx.edu (Chrys Buckley) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 14:20:47 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Concerned about a class, I'm taking, this Fall In-Reply-To: References: <000001cd1b05$681b04c0$38510e40$@mchsi.com> Message-ID: Hi Joshua, I took A&P last year. It was a year-long course and ended up being one of my favorite classes I've ever taken. I remember being pretty nervous about it before the class started because you always hear about what a visual class A&P is, but it ended up being fine. A lot of people already gave you good suggestions and encouragement. I'm just going to add a few things: There are a lot of hands-on opportunities with A&P. For example, the articulating skeletons that someone mentioned. In my lab we also had lots of models that were tactile. For example, we had these huge model arms and legs with the muscles very defined so that you could feel them as a way of learning the muscles and their origins and insertions and get a feel for how they move. A lot of the articulating skeletons also have marks where the muscles originate and insert and so these can always be labeled. We also had model organs and model tissue layers, all very tactile. Your class may also do dissections and/or work with cadavers. If so, this is great because again you will be able to explore these in a tactile way. My class had both animal organs as well as cadavers and many things can easily be distinguished by touch. A great example is blood vessels. Many of the sighted students had a very difficult time with this because there are so many, but really feeling the differences was a huge advantage (veins and arteries feel very different from each other, for example). What I did in my class for quizzes was go into the cadaver room with an assistant and I would feel the different parts we were supposed to identify and spell them out to a lab assistant who would record them for me. The class was a lot of work but so, so interesting. The physiology part is not so visual as the anatomy. And it will definitely have tons of applications in behavioral health! I wish you look and hope that you have a great class and really get to enjoy it! Chrys On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 6:53 AM, Joshua Lester < jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote: > I'll join it, when I get back from church. > That's a great idea, because I'll have to have alot of these classes, > for my Behavioral Health degree. > I don't understand why I'd need A and P, for Behavioral health, though. > > > On 4/15/12, David Andrews wrote: > > You might also ask for suggestions on the nfb-science list, > > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-science_nfbnet.org > > > > to join. > > > > Dave > > > > At 07:52 AM 4/15/2012, you wrote: > >>Thanks for the encouragement. > >>I'll try to make sure, and get a reader for diagrams. > >>I'm about to get my notetaker, this Fall, so that will be a plus, as > well! > >>Blessings, Joshua > >> > >>On 4/15/12, Loren wrote: > >> > Joshua, > >> > > >> > Several yeaars ago now, my wife took an a and p course. She was in > >> > speech > >> > pathology at the time. She had a reader attend some classes with her > to > >> > make raised-line drawings of various things. She also used > arrangements > >> > ahead of time with the professor to take the exams. She was able to > >> > complete the course. She is a very good braille reader and was > >> able to take > >> > some notes herself as well. She mainly used the reader to get the > >> > diagrams > >> > down. I wish you well on the course. Just remember you have the > right > >> > to > >> > be there; so, kick butt and make sure you get what you needf. > >> > > >> > Loren Wakefield > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > >> > Of Joshua Lester > >> > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 10:34 AM > >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >> > Subject: [nabs-l] Concerned about a class, I'm taking, this Fall > >> > > >> > Have any of you ever taken Intro to A and P, (Anatomy, and > >> Physiology?) This > >> > is going to be a visual class, so I really need Braille, and my > >> Rehab people > >> > aren't cooperating! > >> > They're using their own resources, instead of the group, I asked them > to > >> > use! > >> > This, is frustrating! > >> > Thanks, Joshua > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cbuckley%40pdx.edu > -- http://chrysanthymum.blogspot.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Mon Apr 16 21:25:19 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 16:25:19 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Concerned about a class, I'm taking, this Fall In-Reply-To: References: <000001cd1b05$681b04c0$38510e40$@mchsi.com> Message-ID: Thanks, and welcome to the list! Blessings, Joshua On 4/16/12, Chrys Buckley wrote: > Hi Joshua, > > I took A&P last year. It was a year-long course and ended up being one of > my favorite classes I've ever taken. I remember being pretty nervous about > it before the class started because you always hear about what a visual > class A&P is, but it ended up being fine. > > A lot of people already gave you good suggestions and encouragement. I'm > just going to add a few things: > > There are a lot of hands-on opportunities with A&P. For example, the > articulating skeletons that someone mentioned. In my lab we also had lots > of models that were tactile. For example, we had these huge model arms and > legs with the muscles very defined so that you could feel them as a way of > learning the muscles and their origins and insertions and get a feel for > how they move. A lot of the articulating skeletons also have marks where > the muscles originate and insert and so these can always be labeled. We > also had model organs and model tissue layers, all very tactile. > > Your class may also do dissections and/or work with cadavers. If so, this > is great because again you will be able to explore these in a tactile way. > My class had both animal organs as well as cadavers and many things can > easily be distinguished by touch. A great example is blood vessels. Many of > the sighted students had a very difficult time with this because there are > so many, but really feeling the differences was a huge advantage (veins and > arteries feel very different from each other, for example). What I did in > my class for quizzes was go into the cadaver room with an assistant and I > would feel the different parts we were supposed to identify and spell them > out to a lab assistant who would record them for me. > > The class was a lot of work but so, so interesting. The physiology part is > not so visual as the anatomy. And it will definitely have tons of > applications in behavioral health! I wish you look and hope that you have a > great class and really get to enjoy it! > > Chrys > > On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 6:53 AM, Joshua Lester < > jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote: > >> I'll join it, when I get back from church. >> That's a great idea, because I'll have to have alot of these classes, >> for my Behavioral Health degree. >> I don't understand why I'd need A and P, for Behavioral health, though. >> >> >> On 4/15/12, David Andrews wrote: >> > You might also ask for suggestions on the nfb-science list, >> > >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-science_nfbnet.org >> > >> > to join. >> > >> > Dave >> > >> > At 07:52 AM 4/15/2012, you wrote: >> >>Thanks for the encouragement. >> >>I'll try to make sure, and get a reader for diagrams. >> >>I'm about to get my notetaker, this Fall, so that will be a plus, as >> well! >> >>Blessings, Joshua >> >> >> >>On 4/15/12, Loren wrote: >> >> > Joshua, >> >> > >> >> > Several yeaars ago now, my wife took an a and p course. She was in >> >> > speech >> >> > pathology at the time. She had a reader attend some classes with her >> to >> >> > make raised-line drawings of various things. She also used >> arrangements >> >> > ahead of time with the professor to take the exams. She was able to >> >> > complete the course. She is a very good braille reader and was >> >> able to take >> >> > some notes herself as well. She mainly used the reader to get the >> >> > diagrams >> >> > down. I wish you well on the course. Just remember you have the >> right >> >> > to >> >> > be there; so, kick butt and make sure you get what you needf. >> >> > >> >> > Loren Wakefield >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> >> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >> >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >> >> > Of Joshua Lester >> >> > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 10:34 AM >> >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> > Subject: [nabs-l] Concerned about a class, I'm taking, this Fall >> >> > >> >> > Have any of you ever taken Intro to A and P, (Anatomy, and >> >> Physiology?) This >> >> > is going to be a visual class, so I really need Braille, and my >> >> Rehab people >> >> > aren't cooperating! >> >> > They're using their own resources, instead of the group, I asked them >> to >> >> > use! >> >> > This, is frustrating! >> >> > Thanks, Joshua >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cbuckley%40pdx.edu >> > > > > -- > http://chrysanthymum.blogspot.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From wvucountrygirl729 at gmail.com Mon Apr 16 21:42:36 2012 From: wvucountrygirl729 at gmail.com (keri) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 17:42:36 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments References: <335C74F1BC8141FC92C2DF1A3816A9F3@klhurstl1><000d01cd1bfa$9af65020$1400ba43@BRIAN><3703801C627E40B0BCAD27939FE80D73@Cptr233> Message-ID: <471261B1FE7E4FEEBB4F71FA83A64324@klhurstl1> arielle, I'm trying to find out huds residency requirements for applying sense I'm moving to NY but i'm getting sent all over the place and keep leaving messages,.... I may have to go visit them in person. I've been looking at craigslist, but it's hard to know who to trust. :) keri "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will speak my heart." --Robert Sexton "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it." --Ivan Panin Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments > Hi all, > I can't overemphasize the fact that this list's discussions need to be > about blindness. Asking about housing options that are affordable for > someone on SSI is a blindness-related query, I think, but criticizing > someone's decision to live with her boyfriend before marriage or not > is not blindness-related. It's also not conducive to amicable > interaction, especially when religion gets involved. > As to the question at hand, about affordable housing, I'd suggest > looking at New York's Craigslist if you haven't already. New York is > expensive, but you may be able to find sublet or room-sharing options > that are in your price range. You may also qualify for Section 8 > low-income housing. > The discussion of whether or not "shacking up" before marriage leads > to higher divorce rates is an interesting but complicated issue. As > stated before, it's not blindness-related, so I urge you guys to take > the debate off this list. > Respectfully, > Arielle Silverman, former listserv chair, NABS board member and NABS > president > > On 4/16/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >> The fact that he stated was about the divorce rate. >> I agree, that the comment shouldn't have been made here, but the >> reason that he gave is valid. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 4/16/12, Marsha Drenth wrote: >>> The fact that Bryan said, "You and your boy friend shouldn't be >>> "Shacking >>> up" or living together before you get married. That's the advice I'd >>> give >>> you two as a Christian". Is stating that this is a Christian value. That >>> is >>> clearly what the bible says, and is a Christian value. But this is not a >>> fact for a person who does not practice Christian values. None of us >>> have >>> the right to judge others, no matter what religion you are. We might not >>> approve of the actions, but she was asking for information, not >>> judgment. >>> >>> This is a list for students, and as Elizabeth said, there plenty of >>> other >>> places that religious values can be discussed. But this list is not one >>> of >>> them. You can believe what you like, no one is telling you can't. But >>> the >>> fact is that in America we have freedom to think, do, say, what we want. >>> >>> Marsha >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Joshua Lester >>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 3:17 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>> >>> This has nothing to do with religious values. >>> He was just stating facts, (IMO.) >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 4/16/12, Elizabeth wrote: >>>> Hello Brian, >>>> >>>> I believe the intent of this email list is to discuss issues relevant >>>> to >>>> being a blind student. Therefore, I do not believe this is the proper >>> place >>>> to judge others based upon their own religious beliefs or lack thereof. >>>> Others may not believe the same as you, and their beliefs should be >>>> respected. If you wish to debate religious topics, I believe there are >>> other >>>> forums and email lists devoted for this purpose. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Elizabeth >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: "Brian Hatgelakas" >>>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:59 PM >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>>> >>>>> You and your boy friend shouldn't be "Shacking up" or living together >>>>> before you get married. That's the advice I'd give you two as a >>> Christian >>>>> >>>>> guy. You have a higher percent chance of divorce if you do this. >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "keri" >>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>> >>>>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:34 PM >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> greetings, >>>>>> >>>>>> My bf and I are about to move into an apartment in the New York City >>>>>> area.... We both live on SSI for the time being... We are in need of >>>>>> apartment recommendations that we can aford... We are both college >>>>>> students. We prefer Statin Island but are open to suggestions in the >>> city >>>>>> >>>>>> area. >>>>>> thanks, >>>>>> keri >>>>>> >>>>>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I >>>>>> want >>>>>> to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes >>>>>> will >>>>>> speak my heart." >>>>>> --Robert Sexton >>>>>> >>>>>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every >>>>>> truth >>>>>> there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart >>>>>> somewhere to receive it." >>>>>> --Ivan Panin >>>>>> >>>>>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & >>> put >>>>>> >>>>>> it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brian.hatgelakas%40veriz >>> on.net >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p >>> ccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co >>> m >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>> signature >>> database 7045 (20120411) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>> signature >>> database 7045 (20120411) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wvucountrygirl729%40gmail.com > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Mon Apr 16 21:47:16 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 16:47:16 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments In-Reply-To: <471261B1FE7E4FEEBB4F71FA83A64324@klhurstl1> References: <335C74F1BC8141FC92C2DF1A3816A9F3@klhurstl1> <000d01cd1bfa$9af65020$1400ba43@BRIAN> <3703801C627E40B0BCAD27939FE80D73@Cptr233> <471261B1FE7E4FEEBB4F71FA83A64324@klhurstl1> Message-ID: Hi, Keri! Hud is crazy. They'll give you the run around, like all other government agencies do. Remember vocational rehab? LOL! I hope you're able to find what you need. Please keep us posted! Thanks, Joshua On 4/16/12, keri wrote: > arielle, > I'm trying to find out huds residency requirements for applying sense I'm > moving to NY but i'm getting sent all over the place and keep leaving > messages,.... I may have to go visit them in person. I've been looking at > craigslist, but it's hard to know who to trust. :) > keri > > "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want to > say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will speak > my heart." > --Robert Sexton > > "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there > is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to > receive it." > --Ivan Panin > > Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put it > back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arielle Silverman" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 4:29 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments > > >> Hi all, >> I can't overemphasize the fact that this list's discussions need to be >> about blindness. Asking about housing options that are affordable for >> someone on SSI is a blindness-related query, I think, but criticizing >> someone's decision to live with her boyfriend before marriage or not >> is not blindness-related. It's also not conducive to amicable >> interaction, especially when religion gets involved. >> As to the question at hand, about affordable housing, I'd suggest >> looking at New York's Craigslist if you haven't already. New York is >> expensive, but you may be able to find sublet or room-sharing options >> that are in your price range. You may also qualify for Section 8 >> low-income housing. >> The discussion of whether or not "shacking up" before marriage leads >> to higher divorce rates is an interesting but complicated issue. As >> stated before, it's not blindness-related, so I urge you guys to take >> the debate off this list. >> Respectfully, >> Arielle Silverman, former listserv chair, NABS board member and NABS >> president >> >> On 4/16/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> The fact that he stated was about the divorce rate. >>> I agree, that the comment shouldn't have been made here, but the >>> reason that he gave is valid. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 4/16/12, Marsha Drenth wrote: >>>> The fact that Bryan said, "You and your boy friend shouldn't be >>>> "Shacking >>>> up" or living together before you get married. That's the advice I'd >>>> give >>>> you two as a Christian". Is stating that this is a Christian value. That >>>> is >>>> clearly what the bible says, and is a Christian value. But this is not a >>>> fact for a person who does not practice Christian values. None of us >>>> have >>>> the right to judge others, no matter what religion you are. We might not >>>> approve of the actions, but she was asking for information, not >>>> judgment. >>>> >>>> This is a list for students, and as Elizabeth said, there plenty of >>>> other >>>> places that religious values can be discussed. But this list is not one >>>> of >>>> them. You can believe what you like, no one is telling you can't. But >>>> the >>>> fact is that in America we have freedom to think, do, say, what we want. >>>> >>>> Marsha >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>> Behalf >>>> Of Joshua Lester >>>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 3:17 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>>> >>>> This has nothing to do with religious values. >>>> He was just stating facts, (IMO.) >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>> >>>> On 4/16/12, Elizabeth wrote: >>>>> Hello Brian, >>>>> >>>>> I believe the intent of this email list is to discuss issues relevant >>>>> to >>>>> being a blind student. Therefore, I do not believe this is the proper >>>> place >>>>> to judge others based upon their own religious beliefs or lack thereof. >>>>> Others may not believe the same as you, and their beliefs should be >>>>> respected. If you wish to debate religious topics, I believe there are >>>> other >>>>> forums and email lists devoted for this purpose. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Elizabeth >>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>> From: "Brian Hatgelakas" >>>>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:59 PM >>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>>>> >>>>>> You and your boy friend shouldn't be "Shacking up" or living together >>>>>> before you get married. That's the advice I'd give you two as a >>>> Christian >>>>>> >>>>>> guy. You have a higher percent chance of divorce if you do this. >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "keri" >>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:34 PM >>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> greetings, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My bf and I are about to move into an apartment in the New York City >>>>>>> area.... We both live on SSI for the time being... We are in need of >>>>>>> apartment recommendations that we can aford... We are both college >>>>>>> students. We prefer Statin Island but are open to suggestions in the >>>> city >>>>>>> >>>>>>> area. >>>>>>> thanks, >>>>>>> keri >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I >>>>>>> want >>>>>>> to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes >>>>>>> will >>>>>>> speak my heart." >>>>>>> --Robert Sexton >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every >>>>>>> truth >>>>>>> there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart >>>>>>> somewhere to receive it." >>>>>>> --Ivan Panin >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & >>>> put >>>>>>> >>>>>>> it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brian.hatgelakas%40veriz >>>> on.net >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p >>>> ccua.edu >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co >>>> m >>>> >>>> >>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>>> signature >>>> database 7045 (20120411) __________ >>>> >>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>> >>>> http://www.eset.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>>> signature >>>> database 7045 (20120411) __________ >>>> >>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>> >>>> http://www.eset.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wvucountrygirl729%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From wvucountrygirl729 at gmail.com Mon Apr 16 21:50:37 2012 From: wvucountrygirl729 at gmail.com (keri) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 17:50:37 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments References: <335C74F1BC8141FC92C2DF1A3816A9F3@klhurstl1><000d01cd1bfa$9af65020$1400ba43@BRIAN><3703801C627E40B0BCAD27939FE80D73@Cptr233><471261B1FE7E4FEEBB4F71FA83A64324@klhurstl1> Message-ID: <212330244A864178BDE5B8ABCFB72BB9@klhurstl1> Josh, Voc has been great with me here in WV we'll see how new york services treat me. lol keri "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will speak my heart." --Robert Sexton "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it." --Ivan Panin Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments > Hi, Keri! > Hud is crazy. > They'll give you the run around, like all other government agencies do. > Remember vocational rehab? > LOL! > I hope you're able to find what you need. > Please keep us posted! > Thanks, Joshua > > On 4/16/12, keri wrote: >> arielle, >> I'm trying to find out huds residency requirements for applying sense I'm >> moving to NY but i'm getting sent all over the place and keep leaving >> messages,.... I may have to go visit them in person. I've been looking at >> craigslist, but it's hard to know who to trust. :) >> keri >> >> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want >> to >> say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will >> speak >> my heart." >> --Robert Sexton >> >> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >> there >> is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere >> to >> receive it." >> --Ivan Panin >> >> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put >> it >> back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Arielle Silverman" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 4:29 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >> >> >>> Hi all, >>> I can't overemphasize the fact that this list's discussions need to be >>> about blindness. Asking about housing options that are affordable for >>> someone on SSI is a blindness-related query, I think, but criticizing >>> someone's decision to live with her boyfriend before marriage or not >>> is not blindness-related. It's also not conducive to amicable >>> interaction, especially when religion gets involved. >>> As to the question at hand, about affordable housing, I'd suggest >>> looking at New York's Craigslist if you haven't already. New York is >>> expensive, but you may be able to find sublet or room-sharing options >>> that are in your price range. You may also qualify for Section 8 >>> low-income housing. >>> The discussion of whether or not "shacking up" before marriage leads >>> to higher divorce rates is an interesting but complicated issue. As >>> stated before, it's not blindness-related, so I urge you guys to take >>> the debate off this list. >>> Respectfully, >>> Arielle Silverman, former listserv chair, NABS board member and NABS >>> president >>> >>> On 4/16/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>> The fact that he stated was about the divorce rate. >>>> I agree, that the comment shouldn't have been made here, but the >>>> reason that he gave is valid. >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>> >>>> On 4/16/12, Marsha Drenth wrote: >>>>> The fact that Bryan said, "You and your boy friend shouldn't be >>>>> "Shacking >>>>> up" or living together before you get married. That's the advice I'd >>>>> give >>>>> you two as a Christian". Is stating that this is a Christian value. >>>>> That >>>>> is >>>>> clearly what the bible says, and is a Christian value. But this is not >>>>> a >>>>> fact for a person who does not practice Christian values. None of us >>>>> have >>>>> the right to judge others, no matter what religion you are. We might >>>>> not >>>>> approve of the actions, but she was asking for information, not >>>>> judgment. >>>>> >>>>> This is a list for students, and as Elizabeth said, there plenty of >>>>> other >>>>> places that religious values can be discussed. But this list is not >>>>> one >>>>> of >>>>> them. You can believe what you like, no one is telling you can't. But >>>>> the >>>>> fact is that in America we have freedom to think, do, say, what we >>>>> want. >>>>> >>>>> Marsha >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>> Behalf >>>>> Of Joshua Lester >>>>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 3:17 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>>>> >>>>> This has nothing to do with religious values. >>>>> He was just stating facts, (IMO.) >>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>> >>>>> On 4/16/12, Elizabeth wrote: >>>>>> Hello Brian, >>>>>> >>>>>> I believe the intent of this email list is to discuss issues relevant >>>>>> to >>>>>> being a blind student. Therefore, I do not believe this is the proper >>>>> place >>>>>> to judge others based upon their own religious beliefs or lack >>>>>> thereof. >>>>>> Others may not believe the same as you, and their beliefs should be >>>>>> respected. If you wish to debate religious topics, I believe there >>>>>> are >>>>> other >>>>>> forums and email lists devoted for this purpose. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Elizabeth >>>>>> >>>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> From: "Brian Hatgelakas" >>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:59 PM >>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>>> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>>>>> >>>>>>> You and your boy friend shouldn't be "Shacking up" or living >>>>>>> together >>>>>>> before you get married. That's the advice I'd give you two as a >>>>> Christian >>>>>>> >>>>>>> guy. You have a higher percent chance of divorce if you do this. >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "keri" >>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:34 PM >>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> greetings, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My bf and I are about to move into an apartment in the New York >>>>>>>> City >>>>>>>> area.... We both live on SSI for the time being... We are in need >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> apartment recommendations that we can aford... We are both college >>>>>>>> students. We prefer Statin Island but are open to suggestions in >>>>>>>> the >>>>> city >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> area. >>>>>>>> thanks, >>>>>>>> keri >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I >>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>> to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes >>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>> speak my heart." >>>>>>>> --Robert Sexton >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every >>>>>>>> truth >>>>>>>> there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a >>>>>>>> heart >>>>>>>> somewhere to receive it." >>>>>>>> --Ivan Panin >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart >>>>>>>> & >>>>> put >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brian.hatgelakas%40veriz >>>>> on.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p >>>>> ccua.edu >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co >>>>> m >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>>>> signature >>>>> database 7045 (20120411) __________ >>>>> >>>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.eset.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>>>> signature >>>>> database 7045 (20120411) __________ >>>>> >>>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.eset.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wvucountrygirl729%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wvucountrygirl729%40gmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Mon Apr 16 21:53:28 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 16:53:28 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments In-Reply-To: <212330244A864178BDE5B8ABCFB72BB9@klhurstl1> References: <335C74F1BC8141FC92C2DF1A3816A9F3@klhurstl1> <000d01cd1bfa$9af65020$1400ba43@BRIAN> <3703801C627E40B0BCAD27939FE80D73@Cptr233> <471261B1FE7E4FEEBB4F71FA83A64324@klhurstl1> <212330244A864178BDE5B8ABCFB72BB9@klhurstl1> Message-ID: I'll E-mail you offlist, to explain my Voc problem. Blessings, Joshua On 4/16/12, keri wrote: > Josh, > Voc has been great with me here in WV we'll see how new york services treat > me. lol > keri > > "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want to > say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will speak > my heart." > --Robert Sexton > > "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there > is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to > receive it." > --Ivan Panin > > Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put it > back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 5:47 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments > > >> Hi, Keri! >> Hud is crazy. >> They'll give you the run around, like all other government agencies do. >> Remember vocational rehab? >> LOL! >> I hope you're able to find what you need. >> Please keep us posted! >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> On 4/16/12, keri wrote: >>> arielle, >>> I'm trying to find out huds residency requirements for applying sense I'm >>> moving to NY but i'm getting sent all over the place and keep leaving >>> messages,.... I may have to go visit them in person. I've been looking at >>> craigslist, but it's hard to know who to trust. :) >>> keri >>> >>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want >>> to >>> say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will >>> speak >>> my heart." >>> --Robert Sexton >>> >>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >>> there >>> is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere >>> >>> to >>> receive it." >>> --Ivan Panin >>> >>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put >>> >>> it >>> back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Arielle Silverman" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 4:29 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>> >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> I can't overemphasize the fact that this list's discussions need to be >>>> about blindness. Asking about housing options that are affordable for >>>> someone on SSI is a blindness-related query, I think, but criticizing >>>> someone's decision to live with her boyfriend before marriage or not >>>> is not blindness-related. It's also not conducive to amicable >>>> interaction, especially when religion gets involved. >>>> As to the question at hand, about affordable housing, I'd suggest >>>> looking at New York's Craigslist if you haven't already. New York is >>>> expensive, but you may be able to find sublet or room-sharing options >>>> that are in your price range. You may also qualify for Section 8 >>>> low-income housing. >>>> The discussion of whether or not "shacking up" before marriage leads >>>> to higher divorce rates is an interesting but complicated issue. As >>>> stated before, it's not blindness-related, so I urge you guys to take >>>> the debate off this list. >>>> Respectfully, >>>> Arielle Silverman, former listserv chair, NABS board member and NABS >>>> president >>>> >>>> On 4/16/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>>> The fact that he stated was about the divorce rate. >>>>> I agree, that the comment shouldn't have been made here, but the >>>>> reason that he gave is valid. >>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>> >>>>> On 4/16/12, Marsha Drenth wrote: >>>>>> The fact that Bryan said, "You and your boy friend shouldn't be >>>>>> "Shacking >>>>>> up" or living together before you get married. That's the advice I'd >>>>>> give >>>>>> you two as a Christian". Is stating that this is a Christian value. >>>>>> That >>>>>> is >>>>>> clearly what the bible says, and is a Christian value. But this is not >>>>>> >>>>>> a >>>>>> fact for a person who does not practice Christian values. None of us >>>>>> have >>>>>> the right to judge others, no matter what religion you are. We might >>>>>> not >>>>>> approve of the actions, but she was asking for information, not >>>>>> judgment. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is a list for students, and as Elizabeth said, there plenty of >>>>>> other >>>>>> places that religious values can be discussed. But this list is not >>>>>> one >>>>>> of >>>>>> them. You can believe what you like, no one is telling you can't. But >>>>>> the >>>>>> fact is that in America we have freedom to think, do, say, what we >>>>>> want. >>>>>> >>>>>> Marsha >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>>> Behalf >>>>>> Of Joshua Lester >>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 3:17 PM >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>>>>> >>>>>> This has nothing to do with religious values. >>>>>> He was just stating facts, (IMO.) >>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>> >>>>>> On 4/16/12, Elizabeth wrote: >>>>>>> Hello Brian, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I believe the intent of this email list is to discuss issues relevant >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> being a blind student. Therefore, I do not believe this is the proper >>>>>> place >>>>>>> to judge others based upon their own religious beliefs or lack >>>>>>> thereof. >>>>>>> Others may not believe the same as you, and their beliefs should be >>>>>>> respected. If you wish to debate religious topics, I believe there >>>>>>> are >>>>>> other >>>>>>> forums and email lists devoted for this purpose. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Elizabeth >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> From: "Brian Hatgelakas" >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:59 PM >>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You and your boy friend shouldn't be "Shacking up" or living >>>>>>>> together >>>>>>>> before you get married. That's the advice I'd give you two as a >>>>>> Christian >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> guy. You have a higher percent chance of divorce if you do this. >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: "keri" >>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:34 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> greetings, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My bf and I are about to move into an apartment in the New York >>>>>>>>> City >>>>>>>>> area.... We both live on SSI for the time being... We are in need >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> apartment recommendations that we can aford... We are both college >>>>>>>>> students. We prefer Statin Island but are open to suggestions in >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>> city >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> area. >>>>>>>>> thanks, >>>>>>>>> keri >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I >>>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>>> to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes >>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>> speak my heart." >>>>>>>>> --Robert Sexton >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every >>>>>>>>> truth >>>>>>>>> there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a >>>>>>>>> heart >>>>>>>>> somewhere to receive it." >>>>>>>>> --Ivan Panin >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> & >>>>>> put >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brian.hatgelakas%40veriz >>>>>> on.net >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p >>>>>> ccua.edu >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co >>>>>> m >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>>>>> signature >>>>>> database 7045 (20120411) __________ >>>>>> >>>>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.eset.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>>>>> signature >>>>>> database 7045 (20120411) __________ >>>>>> >>>>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.eset.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wvucountrygirl729%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wvucountrygirl729%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From ignasicambra at gmail.com Mon Apr 16 22:02:25 2012 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ignasi_Cambra_D=EDaz?=) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 18:02:25 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments In-Reply-To: References: <335C74F1BC8141FC92C2DF1A3816A9F3@klhurstl1> <000d01cd1bfa$9af65020$1400ba43@BRIAN> Message-ID: Seriously, it's incredible that people still write this kind of things in places like this. We don't care if you are christian, muslim or anything else. Someone is asking if you know of any apartments in NYC that you would recommend. If you don't know, then keep your religious ideas for yourself. Sorry for the angry message. IC On Apr 16, 2012, at 2:09 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > That's awesome, that someone else, still has old fashioned values, here! > Blessings, Joshua > > On 4/16/12, Brian Hatgelakas wrote: >> You and your boy friend shouldn't be "Shacking up" or living together >> before you get married. That's the advice I'd give you two as a Christian >> guy. You have a higher percent chance of divorce if you do this. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "keri" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:34 PM >> Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >> >> >>> greetings, >>> >>> My bf and I are about to move into an apartment in the New York City >>> area.... We both live on SSI for the time being... We are in need of >>> apartment recommendations that we can aford... We are both college >>> students. We prefer Statin Island but are open to suggestions in the city >>> area. >>> thanks, >>> keri >>> >>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want >>> to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will >>> speak my heart." >>> --Robert Sexton >>> >>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >>> there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart >>> somewhere to receive it." >>> --Ivan Panin >>> >>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put >>> it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brian.hatgelakas%40verizon.net >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Mon Apr 16 22:06:14 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 17:06:14 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments In-Reply-To: References: <335C74F1BC8141FC92C2DF1A3816A9F3@klhurstl1> <000d01cd1bfa$9af65020$1400ba43@BRIAN> Message-ID: Ignasi, you should have replied to Brian's message. I just stated that I agreed with him, but he shouldn't have made that comment, on this list. Blessings, Joshua On 4/16/12, Ignasi Cambra Díaz wrote: > Seriously, it's incredible that people still write this kind of things in > places like this. We don't care if you are christian, muslim or anything > else. Someone is asking if you know of any apartments in NYC that you would > recommend. If you don't know, then keep your religious ideas for yourself. > Sorry for the angry message. > > IC > On Apr 16, 2012, at 2:09 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > >> That's awesome, that someone else, still has old fashioned values, here! >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 4/16/12, Brian Hatgelakas wrote: >>> You and your boy friend shouldn't be "Shacking up" or living together >>> before you get married. That's the advice I'd give you two as a >>> Christian >>> guy. You have a higher percent chance of divorce if you do this. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "keri" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:34 PM >>> Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>> >>> >>>> greetings, >>>> >>>> My bf and I are about to move into an apartment in the New York City >>>> area.... We both live on SSI for the time being... We are in need of >>>> apartment recommendations that we can aford... We are both college >>>> students. We prefer Statin Island but are open to suggestions in the >>>> city >>>> area. >>>> thanks, >>>> keri >>>> >>>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want >>>> to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will >>>> speak my heart." >>>> --Robert Sexton >>>> >>>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >>>> there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart >>>> somewhere to receive it." >>>> --Ivan Panin >>>> >>>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & >>>> put >>>> it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brian.hatgelakas%40verizon.net >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Apr 17 00:13:39 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 20:13:39 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Concerned about a class, I'm taking, this Fall In-Reply-To: References: <000001cd1b05$681b04c0$38510e40$@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <004501cd1c2e$f1ade070$d509a150$@gmail.com> Hi Chrys, Welcome to the list!! :) Chris Nusbaum -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chrys Buckley Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 5:21 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Concerned about a class, I'm taking, this Fall Hi Joshua, I took A&P last year. It was a year-long course and ended up being one of my favorite classes I've ever taken. I remember being pretty nervous about it before the class started because you always hear about what a visual class A&P is, but it ended up being fine. A lot of people already gave you good suggestions and encouragement. I'm just going to add a few things: There are a lot of hands-on opportunities with A&P. For example, the articulating skeletons that someone mentioned. In my lab we also had lots of models that were tactile. For example, we had these huge model arms and legs with the muscles very defined so that you could feel them as a way of learning the muscles and their origins and insertions and get a feel for how they move. A lot of the articulating skeletons also have marks where the muscles originate and insert and so these can always be labeled. We also had model organs and model tissue layers, all very tactile. Your class may also do dissections and/or work with cadavers. If so, this is great because again you will be able to explore these in a tactile way. My class had both animal organs as well as cadavers and many things can easily be distinguished by touch. A great example is blood vessels. Many of the sighted students had a very difficult time with this because there are so many, but really feeling the differences was a huge advantage (veins and arteries feel very different from each other, for example). What I did in my class for quizzes was go into the cadaver room with an assistant and I would feel the different parts we were supposed to identify and spell them out to a lab assistant who would record them for me. The class was a lot of work but so, so interesting. The physiology part is not so visual as the anatomy. And it will definitely have tons of applications in behavioral health! I wish you look and hope that you have a great class and really get to enjoy it! Chrys On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 6:53 AM, Joshua Lester < jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote: > I'll join it, when I get back from church. > That's a great idea, because I'll have to have alot of these classes, > for my Behavioral Health degree. > I don't understand why I'd need A and P, for Behavioral health, though. > > > On 4/15/12, David Andrews wrote: > > You might also ask for suggestions on the nfb-science list, > > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-science_nfbnet.org > > > > to join. > > > > Dave > > > > At 07:52 AM 4/15/2012, you wrote: > >>Thanks for the encouragement. > >>I'll try to make sure, and get a reader for diagrams. > >>I'm about to get my notetaker, this Fall, so that will be a plus, as > well! > >>Blessings, Joshua > >> > >>On 4/15/12, Loren wrote: > >> > Joshua, > >> > > >> > Several yeaars ago now, my wife took an a and p course. She was > >> > in speech pathology at the time. She had a reader attend some > >> > classes with her > to > >> > make raised-line drawings of various things. She also used > arrangements > >> > ahead of time with the professor to take the exams. She was able > >> > to complete the course. She is a very good braille reader and > >> > was > >> able to take > >> > some notes herself as well. She mainly used the reader to get > >> > the diagrams down. I wish you well on the course. Just remember > >> > you have the > right > >> > to > >> > be there; so, kick butt and make sure you get what you needf. > >> > > >> > Loren Wakefield > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > >> > Of Joshua Lester > >> > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 10:34 AM > >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >> > Subject: [nabs-l] Concerned about a class, I'm taking, this Fall > >> > > >> > Have any of you ever taken Intro to A and P, (Anatomy, and > >> Physiology?) This > >> > is going to be a visual class, so I really need Braille, and my > >> Rehab people > >> > aren't cooperating! > >> > They're using their own resources, instead of the group, I asked > >> > them > to > >> > use! > >> > This, is frustrating! > >> > Thanks, Joshua > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > for > > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40stud > ents.pccua.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cbuckley%40pdx.edu > -- http://chrysanthymum.blogspot.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Apr 17 00:18:15 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 20:18:15 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments In-Reply-To: References: <335C74F1BC8141FC92C2DF1A3816A9F3@klhurstl1> <000d01cd1bfa$9af65020$1400ba43@BRIAN> <3703801C627E40B0BCAD27939FE80D73@Cptr233> Message-ID: <004601cd1c2f$96366400$c2a32c00$@gmail.com> I agree, Arielle! Anyone who was on this list back in September of last year and saw the very off-topic and unnecisarily controversial thread about 9/11, which turned into a debate about people's political leanings and religious beliefs, knows what we are talking about. I don't want that to happen again, and I think a lot of us also wouldn't want that to happen again, so please keep messages blindness-related. Thanks, Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle Silverman Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 4:29 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments Hi all, I can't overemphasize the fact that this list's discussions need to be about blindness. Asking about housing options that are affordable for someone on SSI is a blindness-related query, I think, but criticizing someone's decision to live with her boyfriend before marriage or not is not blindness-related. It's also not conducive to amicable interaction, especially when religion gets involved. As to the question at hand, about affordable housing, I'd suggest looking at New York's Craigslist if you haven't already. New York is expensive, but you may be able to find sublet or room-sharing options that are in your price range. You may also qualify for Section 8 low-income housing. The discussion of whether or not "shacking up" before marriage leads to higher divorce rates is an interesting but complicated issue. As stated before, it's not blindness-related, so I urge you guys to take the debate off this list. Respectfully, Arielle Silverman, former listserv chair, NABS board member and NABS president On 4/16/12, Joshua Lester wrote: > The fact that he stated was about the divorce rate. > I agree, that the comment shouldn't have been made here, but the > reason that he gave is valid. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 4/16/12, Marsha Drenth wrote: >> The fact that Bryan said, "You and your boy friend shouldn't be >> "Shacking up" or living together before you get married. That's the >> advice I'd give you two as a Christian". Is stating that this is a >> Christian value. That is clearly what the bible says, and is a >> Christian value. But this is not a fact for a person who does not >> practice Christian values. None of us have the right to judge others, >> no matter what religion you are. We might not approve of the actions, >> but she was asking for information, not judgment. >> >> This is a list for students, and as Elizabeth said, there plenty of >> other places that religious values can be discussed. But this list is >> not one of them. You can believe what you like, no one is telling you >> can't. But the fact is that in America we have freedom to think, do, say, what we want. >> >> Marsha >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf Of Joshua Lester >> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 3:17 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >> >> This has nothing to do with religious values. >> He was just stating facts, (IMO.) >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 4/16/12, Elizabeth wrote: >>> Hello Brian, >>> >>> I believe the intent of this email list is to discuss issues >>> relevant to being a blind student. Therefore, I do not believe this >>> is the proper >> place >>> to judge others based upon their own religious beliefs or lack thereof. >>> Others may not believe the same as you, and their beliefs should be >>> respected. If you wish to debate religious topics, I believe there >>> are >> other >>> forums and email lists devoted for this purpose. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Elizabeth >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "Brian Hatgelakas" >>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:59 PM >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>> >>>> You and your boy friend shouldn't be "Shacking up" or living >>>> together before you get married. That's the advice I'd give you >>>> two as a >> Christian >>>> >>>> guy. You have a higher percent chance of divorce if you do this. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "keri" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:34 PM >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>>> >>>> >>>>> greetings, >>>>> >>>>> My bf and I are about to move into an apartment in the New York >>>>> City area.... We both live on SSI for the time being... We are in >>>>> need of apartment recommendations that we can aford... We are both >>>>> college students. We prefer Statin Island but are open to >>>>> suggestions in the >> city >>>>> >>>>> area. >>>>> thanks, >>>>> keri >>>>> >>>>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things >>>>> I want to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope >>>>> my eyes will speak my heart." >>>>> --Robert Sexton >>>>> >>>>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every >>>>> truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there >>>>> is a heart somewhere to receive it." >>>>> --Ivan Panin >>>>> >>>>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered >>>>> heart & >> put >>>>> >>>>> it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brian.hatgelakas% >> 40veriz >> on.net >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotma >> il.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40stu >> dents.p >> ccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40g >> mail.co >> m >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature database 7045 (20120411) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature database 7045 (20120411) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40stu >> dents.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail. > com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net Tue Apr 17 00:31:15 2012 From: brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net (Brian Hatgelakas) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 20:31:15 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments References: <335C74F1BC8141FC92C2DF1A3816A9F3@klhurstl1> <000d01cd1bfa$9af65020$1400ba43@BRIAN> <000b01cd1bfd$445fb050$1400ba43@BRIAN> Message-ID: <000901cd1c31$66c42c00$1400ba43@BRIAN> agreed! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments > Great! > BTW, back to your radio show, please write me offlist. > Do you have a Website, where I can listen to the show? > Now, to the advice on the appartments, I hope someone can give you > some advice on this, as well. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 4/16/12, Brian Hatgelakas wrote: >> Thanks Josh. I plan on not living with my girl friend until we are >> married. >> She like me has these values. Also she is fully sighted and believes >> hole >> heartedly in the NFB philosophies. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joshua Lester" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 2:09 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >> >> >>> That's awesome, that someone else, still has old fashioned values, here! >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 4/16/12, Brian Hatgelakas wrote: >>>> You and your boy friend shouldn't be "Shacking up" or living together >>>> before you get married. That's the advice I'd give you two as a >>>> Christian >>>> guy. You have a higher percent chance of divorce if you do this. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "keri" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:34 PM >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>>> >>>> >>>>> greetings, >>>>> >>>>> My bf and I are about to move into an apartment in the New York City >>>>> area.... We both live on SSI for the time being... We are in need of >>>>> apartment recommendations that we can aford... We are both college >>>>> students. We prefer Statin Island but are open to suggestions in the >>>>> city >>>>> area. >>>>> thanks, >>>>> keri >>>>> >>>>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I >>>>> want >>>>> to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes >>>>> will >>>>> speak my heart." >>>>> --Robert Sexton >>>>> >>>>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >>>>> there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart >>>>> somewhere to receive it." >>>>> --Ivan Panin >>>>> >>>>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & >>>>> put >>>>> it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brian.hatgelakas%40verizon.net >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brian.hatgelakas%40verizon.net >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brian.hatgelakas%40verizon.net From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Tue Apr 17 00:41:03 2012 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 17:41:03 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Safeway Website Message-ID: Does anyone use the Safeway website? Something really weird has just happened. Now, for some reason, when I go on the Safeway website with JAWS, the main frame with the important information does not have anything in it. This does not happen with NVDA or in Firefox. I am trying to figure out if it is IE, JAWS, or the website. Nicole From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Apr 17 00:44:24 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 19:44:24 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Safeway Website In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Alot of sites, are inaccessible with IE, now. It's not just Safeway. Here's one, that I can't access, unless I switch to Firefox. http://www.southernsoundquartet.com This is the Website, of a group, that I help promote, in Arkansas, (BTW.) Blessings, Joshua On 4/16/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: > Does anyone use the Safeway website? Something really weird has just > happened. Now, for some reason, when I go on the Safeway website with JAWS, > the main frame with the important information does not have anything in it. > This does not happen with NVDA or in Firefox. I am trying to figure out if > it is IE, JAWS, or the website. > > Nicole > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net Tue Apr 17 00:44:40 2012 From: brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net (Brian Hatgelakas) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 20:44:40 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments References: <335C74F1BC8141FC92C2DF1A3816A9F3@klhurstl1> <000d01cd1bfa$9af65020$1400ba43@BRIAN> Message-ID: <001b01cd1c33$4665d100$1400ba43@BRIAN> I wasn't judging anyone Elizabeth. Sorry about going off topic. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments > Hello Brian, > > I believe the intent of this email list is to discuss issues relevant to > being a blind student. Therefore, I do not believe this is the proper > place to judge others based upon their own religious beliefs or lack > thereof. Others may not believe the same as you, and their beliefs should > be respected. If you wish to debate religious topics, I believe there are > other forums and email lists devoted for this purpose. > > Thanks, > Elizabeth > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Brian Hatgelakas" > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:59 PM > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments > >> You and your boy friend shouldn't be "Shacking up" or living together >> before you get married. That's the advice I'd give you two as a >> Christian guy. You have a higher percent chance of divorce if you do >> this. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "keri" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:34 PM >> Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >> >> >>> greetings, >>> >>> My bf and I are about to move into an apartment in the New York City >>> area.... We both live on SSI for the time being... We are in need of >>> apartment recommendations that we can aford... We are both college >>> students. We prefer Statin Island but are open to suggestions in the >>> city area. >>> thanks, >>> keri >>> >>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want >>> to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will >>> speak my heart." >>> --Robert Sexton >>> >>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >>> there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart >>> somewhere to receive it." >>> --Ivan Panin >>> >>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & >>> put it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brian.hatgelakas%40verizon.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brian.hatgelakas%40verizon.net From brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net Tue Apr 17 00:45:02 2012 From: brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net (Brian Hatgelakas) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 20:45:02 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments References: <335C74F1BC8141FC92C2DF1A3816A9F3@klhurstl1> <000d01cd1bfa$9af65020$1400ba43@BRIAN> Message-ID: <001f01cd1c33$534bf890$1400ba43@BRIAN> Exactly Josh! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments > This has nothing to do with religious values. > He was just stating facts, (IMO.) > Blessings, Joshua > > On 4/16/12, Elizabeth wrote: >> Hello Brian, >> >> I believe the intent of this email list is to discuss issues relevant to >> being a blind student. Therefore, I do not believe this is the proper >> place >> to judge others based upon their own religious beliefs or lack thereof. >> Others may not believe the same as you, and their beliefs should be >> respected. If you wish to debate religious topics, I believe there are >> other >> forums and email lists devoted for this purpose. >> >> Thanks, >> Elizabeth >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Brian Hatgelakas" >> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:59 PM >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >> >>> You and your boy friend shouldn't be "Shacking up" or living together >>> before you get married. That's the advice I'd give you two as a >>> Christian >>> >>> guy. You have a higher percent chance of divorce if you do this. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "keri" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:34 PM >>> Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>> >>> >>>> greetings, >>>> >>>> My bf and I are about to move into an apartment in the New York City >>>> area.... We both live on SSI for the time being... We are in need of >>>> apartment recommendations that we can aford... We are both college >>>> students. We prefer Statin Island but are open to suggestions in the >>>> city >>>> >>>> area. >>>> thanks, >>>> keri >>>> >>>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I >>>> want >>>> to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes >>>> will >>>> speak my heart." >>>> --Robert Sexton >>>> >>>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >>>> there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart >>>> somewhere to receive it." >>>> --Ivan Panin >>>> >>>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & >>>> put >>>> >>>> it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brian.hatgelakas%40verizon.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brian.hatgelakas%40verizon.net From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Apr 17 01:15:35 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 21:15:35 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [Blindtlk] Making Diagrams Accessible In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006001cd1c37$98d690b0$ca83b210$@gmail.com> -----Original Message----- From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Andrews Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 3:39 PM To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org Subject: [Blindtlk] Making Diagrams Accessible > >Hi all, > >My research group is working on making diagrams such as FlowCharts >accessible for vision impaired users. > >It would greatly help us out if you could take this survey, and also if >you could pass the link on to other email lists, twitter, facebook, and >everything else. > >https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/formResponse?formkey=dEVZLWRJaGdpVi >1yTEVNSUppOXBmM3c6MQ&ifq > >thanks so much > >take care, >Sina > >Website: www.SinaBahram.com >Twitter: @SinaBahram _______________________________________________ blindtlk mailing list blindtlk at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindtlk: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail .com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Apr 17 01:21:06 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 21:21:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Blio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006301cd1c38$5e0ba460$1a22ed20$@gmail.com> Thank you for the clarification; I forgot about the charge for the books. Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Andrews Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 9:02 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio Blio itself is free, there is a charge for each book. It is accessible with a recent version of JAWS -- I believe you use an older version, so it may not be. You can get it from www.blio.com Dave At 02:41 PM 4/14/2012, you wrote: >How accessible is Blio, and how can I get it? >Also, how much does it cost? >Thanks, Joshua _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Apr 17 01:25:02 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 20:25:02 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Blio In-Reply-To: <006301cd1c38$5e0ba460$1a22ed20$@gmail.com> References: <006301cd1c38$5e0ba460$1a22ed20$@gmail.com> Message-ID: The charges, for the books, were a given, from Jim's speech. Blessings, Joshua On 4/16/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Thank you for the clarification; I forgot about the charge for the books. > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of David Andrews > Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 9:02 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio > > Blio itself is free, there is a charge for each book. It is accessible with > a recent version of JAWS -- I believe you use an older version, so it may > not be. > > You can get it from www.blio.com > > Dave > > At 02:41 PM 4/14/2012, you wrote: >>How accessible is Blio, and how can I get it? >>Also, how much does it cost? >>Thanks, Joshua > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From dandrews at visi.com Tue Apr 17 01:26:56 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 20:26:56 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Safeway Website In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I was able to access the site just fine with IE8 and JAWS12. You shouldn't make such sweeping statements! Dave At 07:44 PM 4/16/2012, you wrote: >Alot of sites, are inaccessible with IE, now. >It's not just Safeway. >Here's one, that I can't access, unless I switch to Firefox. >http://www.southernsoundquartet.com >This is the Website, of a group, that I help promote, in Arkansas, (BTW.) >Blessings, Joshua > >On 4/16/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: > > Does anyone use the Safeway website? Something really weird has just > > happened. Now, for some reason, when I go on the Safeway website with JAWS, > > the main frame with the important information does not have anything in it. > > This does not happen with NVDA or in Firefox. I am trying to figure out if > > it is IE, JAWS, or the website. > > > > Nicole From chelseap08 at gmail.com Tue Apr 17 01:28:35 2012 From: chelseap08 at gmail.com (Chelsea Page) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 20:28:35 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Blio In-Reply-To: References: <006301cd1c38$5e0ba460$1a22ed20$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <006601cd1c39$69774470$3c65cd50$@gmail.com> There is also a Blio app for the iPhone which I have downloaded but haven't but intend to use. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 8:25 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio The charges, for the books, were a given, from Jim's speech. Blessings, Joshua On 4/16/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Thank you for the clarification; I forgot about the charge for the books. > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of David Andrews > Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 9:02 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio > > Blio itself is free, there is a charge for each book. It is > accessible with a recent version of JAWS -- I believe you use an older > version, so it may not be. > > You can get it from www.blio.com > > Dave > > At 02:41 PM 4/14/2012, you wrote: >>How accessible is Blio, and how can I get it? >>Also, how much does it cost? >>Thanks, Joshua > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40g > mail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40stud > ents.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/chelseap08%40gmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Apr 17 01:29:32 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 20:29:32 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Safeway Website In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I wonder, if I upgraded Jaws, if that would work. The only problem, is I can't do anything, until I upgrade to Windows 7, as opposed to Vista. Blessings, Joshua On 4/16/12, David Andrews wrote: > I was able to access the site just fine with IE8 and JAWS12. You > shouldn't make such sweeping statements! > > Dave > > At 07:44 PM 4/16/2012, you wrote: >>Alot of sites, are inaccessible with IE, now. >>It's not just Safeway. >>Here's one, that I can't access, unless I switch to Firefox. >>http://www.southernsoundquartet.com >>This is the Website, of a group, that I help promote, in Arkansas, (BTW.) >>Blessings, Joshua >> >>On 4/16/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: >> > Does anyone use the Safeway website? Something really weird has just >> > happened. Now, for some reason, when I go on the Safeway website with >> > JAWS, >> > the main frame with the important information does not have anything in >> > it. >> > This does not happen with NVDA or in Firefox. I am trying to figure out >> > if >> > it is IE, JAWS, or the website. >> > >> > Nicole > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Apr 17 01:32:40 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 20:32:40 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Blio In-Reply-To: <006601cd1c39$69774470$3c65cd50$@gmail.com> References: <006301cd1c38$5e0ba460$1a22ed20$@gmail.com> <006601cd1c39$69774470$3c65cd50$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I wish James would have changed the voice, on the IPhone. That British accent, kind of got to me, (LOL!) She sounds like the lady that hosted the "Weakest Link," gameshow! Blessings, Joshua On 4/16/12, Chelsea Page wrote: > There is also a Blio app for the iPhone which I have downloaded but haven't > but intend to use. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 8:25 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio > > The charges, for the books, were a given, from Jim's speech. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 4/16/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> Thank you for the clarification; I forgot about the charge for the books. >> >> Chris >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf Of David Andrews >> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 9:02 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio >> >> Blio itself is free, there is a charge for each book. It is >> accessible with a recent version of JAWS -- I believe you use an older >> version, so it may not be. >> >> You can get it from www.blio.com >> >> Dave >> >> At 02:41 PM 4/14/2012, you wrote: >>>How accessible is Blio, and how can I get it? >>>Also, how much does it cost? >>>Thanks, Joshua >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40g >> mail.c >> om >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40stud >> ents.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/chelseap08%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Apr 17 01:38:05 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 21:38:05 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Blio In-Reply-To: References: <006301cd1c38$5e0ba460$1a22ed20$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <007d01cd1c3a$bd47c290$37d747b0$@gmail.com> You're right, I totally forgot. Blond moment on my part! LOL! Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:25 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio The charges, for the books, were a given, from Jim's speech. Blessings, Joshua On 4/16/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Thank you for the clarification; I forgot about the charge for the books. > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of David Andrews > Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 9:02 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio > > Blio itself is free, there is a charge for each book. It is > accessible with a recent version of JAWS -- I believe you use an older > version, so it may not be. > > You can get it from www.blio.com > > Dave > > At 02:41 PM 4/14/2012, you wrote: >>How accessible is Blio, and how can I get it? >>Also, how much does it cost? >>Thanks, Joshua > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40g > mail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40stud > ents.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Apr 17 01:41:02 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 20:41:02 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Blio In-Reply-To: <007d01cd1c3a$bd47c290$37d747b0$@gmail.com> References: <006301cd1c38$5e0ba460$1a22ed20$@gmail.com> <007d01cd1c3a$bd47c290$37d747b0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: LOL! BTW, I enjoyed Dr Kurzweil's speech, as usual! On 4/16/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > You're right, I totally forgot. Blond moment on my part! LOL! > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:25 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio > > The charges, for the books, were a given, from Jim's speech. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 4/16/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> Thank you for the clarification; I forgot about the charge for the books. >> >> Chris >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf Of David Andrews >> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 9:02 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio >> >> Blio itself is free, there is a charge for each book. It is >> accessible with a recent version of JAWS -- I believe you use an older >> version, so it may not be. >> >> You can get it from www.blio.com >> >> Dave >> >> At 02:41 PM 4/14/2012, you wrote: >>>How accessible is Blio, and how can I get it? >>>Also, how much does it cost? >>>Thanks, Joshua >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40g >> mail.c >> om >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40stud >> ents.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue Apr 17 03:01:36 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 23:01:36 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Safeway Website In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8A1CDDA6D2F14A97B77BC266B1B99205@OwnerPC> I agree Dave. I use IE and have no issue accessing most websites; those that give me trouble generally have some multimedia content such as flash or java. Josh, if you have trouble with a website, maybe you should learn more jaws commands. Look up the keystrokes or ask a friend about them, don't assume its not accessible. -----Original Message----- From: David Andrews Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:26 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Safeway Website I was able to access the site just fine with IE8 and JAWS12. You shouldn't make such sweeping statements! Dave At 07:44 PM 4/16/2012, you wrote: >Alot of sites, are inaccessible with IE, now. >It's not just Safeway. >Here's one, that I can't access, unless I switch to Firefox. >http://www.southernsoundquartet.com >This is the Website, of a group, that I help promote, in Arkansas, (BTW.) >Blessings, Joshua > >On 4/16/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: > > Does anyone use the Safeway website? Something really weird has just > > happened. Now, for some reason, when I go on the Safeway website with > > JAWS, > > the main frame with the important information does not have anything in > > it. > > This does not happen with NVDA or in Firefox. I am trying to figure out > > if > > it is IE, JAWS, or the website. > > > > Nicole _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Apr 17 03:05:25 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 22:05:25 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Safeway Website In-Reply-To: <8A1CDDA6D2F14A97B77BC266B1B99205@OwnerPC> References: <8A1CDDA6D2F14A97B77BC266B1B99205@OwnerPC> Message-ID: I'm not around other blind people, so noone else knows the Jaws commands, but me, here in my town. I might, ask someone, offlist, if I have a problem. Alot of these sites, say "Page has no links," when I use IE, but they come up, fine, on Firefox. I don't understand why that happens. Blessings, Joshua On 4/16/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > I agree Dave. I use IE and have no issue accessing most websites; those that > give me trouble generally have some multimedia content such as flash or > java. Josh, if you have trouble with a website, maybe you should learn more > jaws commands. Look up the keystrokes or ask a friend about them, don't > assume its not accessible. > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Andrews > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:26 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Safeway Website > > I was able to access the site just fine with IE8 and JAWS12. You > shouldn't make such sweeping statements! > > Dave > > At 07:44 PM 4/16/2012, you wrote: >>Alot of sites, are inaccessible with IE, now. >>It's not just Safeway. >>Here's one, that I can't access, unless I switch to Firefox. >>http://www.southernsoundquartet.com >>This is the Website, of a group, that I help promote, in Arkansas, (BTW.) >>Blessings, Joshua >> >>On 4/16/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: >> > Does anyone use the Safeway website? Something really weird has just >> > happened. Now, for some reason, when I go on the Safeway website with >> > JAWS, >> > the main frame with the important information does not have anything in >> > it. >> > This does not happen with NVDA or in Firefox. I am trying to figure out >> > if >> > it is IE, JAWS, or the website. >> > >> > Nicole > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue Apr 17 04:27:29 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 00:27:29 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Safeway Website In-Reply-To: References: <8A1CDDA6D2F14A97B77BC266B1B99205@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <8C8E2F1FFF9C4B65949F0414AD18CAF7@OwnerPC> well I don't have that problem often. that is odd. if you get no links, try refresing the page, press f 5 to do this. also try rebooting the computer. -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:05 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Safeway Website I'm not around other blind people, so noone else knows the Jaws commands, but me, here in my town. I might, ask someone, offlist, if I have a problem. Alot of these sites, say "Page has no links," when I use IE, but they come up, fine, on Firefox. I don't understand why that happens. Blessings, Joshua On 4/16/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > I agree Dave. I use IE and have no issue accessing most websites; those > that > give me trouble generally have some multimedia content such as flash or > java. Josh, if you have trouble with a website, maybe you should learn > more > jaws commands. Look up the keystrokes or ask a friend about them, don't > assume its not accessible. > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Andrews > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:26 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Safeway Website > > I was able to access the site just fine with IE8 and JAWS12. You > shouldn't make such sweeping statements! > > Dave > > At 07:44 PM 4/16/2012, you wrote: >>Alot of sites, are inaccessible with IE, now. >>It's not just Safeway. >>Here's one, that I can't access, unless I switch to Firefox. >>http://www.southernsoundquartet.com >>This is the Website, of a group, that I help promote, in Arkansas, (BTW.) >>Blessings, Joshua >> >>On 4/16/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: >> > Does anyone use the Safeway website? Something really weird has just >> > happened. Now, for some reason, when I go on the Safeway website with >> > JAWS, >> > the main frame with the important information does not have anything in >> > it. >> > This does not happen with NVDA or in Firefox. I am trying to figure out >> > if >> > it is IE, JAWS, or the website. >> > >> > Nicole > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Apr 17 11:24:06 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 06:24:06 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Safeway Website In-Reply-To: <8C8E2F1FFF9C4B65949F0414AD18CAF7@OwnerPC> References: <8A1CDDA6D2F14A97B77BC266B1B99205@OwnerPC> <8C8E2F1FFF9C4B65949F0414AD18CAF7@OwnerPC> Message-ID: I've tried that, and I get the same results. I'm using Jaws 10.0, which may be the problem. Blessings, Joshua On 4/16/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > well I don't have that problem often. that is odd. if you get no links, try > refresing the page, press f 5 to do this. > also try rebooting the computer. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:05 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Safeway Website > > I'm not around other blind people, so noone else knows the Jaws > commands, but me, here in my town. > I might, ask someone, offlist, if I have a problem. > Alot of these sites, say "Page has no links," when I use IE, but they > come up, fine, on Firefox. > I don't understand why that happens. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 4/16/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> I agree Dave. I use IE and have no issue accessing most websites; those >> that >> give me trouble generally have some multimedia content such as flash or >> java. Josh, if you have trouble with a website, maybe you should learn >> more >> jaws commands. Look up the keystrokes or ask a friend about them, don't >> assume its not accessible. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: David Andrews >> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:26 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Safeway Website >> >> I was able to access the site just fine with IE8 and JAWS12. You >> shouldn't make such sweeping statements! >> >> Dave >> >> At 07:44 PM 4/16/2012, you wrote: >>>Alot of sites, are inaccessible with IE, now. >>>It's not just Safeway. >>>Here's one, that I can't access, unless I switch to Firefox. >>>http://www.southernsoundquartet.com >>>This is the Website, of a group, that I help promote, in Arkansas, (BTW.) >>>Blessings, Joshua >>> >>>On 4/16/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: >>> > Does anyone use the Safeway website? Something really weird has just >>> > happened. Now, for some reason, when I go on the Safeway website with >>> > JAWS, >>> > the main frame with the important information does not have anything in >>> > it. >>> > This does not happen with NVDA or in Firefox. I am trying to figure out >>> > if >>> > it is IE, JAWS, or the website. >>> > >>> > Nicole >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From andrewjedg at gmail.com Tue Apr 17 12:29:49 2012 From: andrewjedg at gmail.com (Andrew Edgcumbe) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 20:29:49 +0800 Subject: [nabs-l] hi Message-ID: hi,from this website:ezerass.com,I have Order china 16 Products 64GB IPAD2 ,I've received the item today It's amazing! The item is original, brand new and has high quality, I'm pleased to share this good news with you! From wmodnl at hotmail.com Tue Apr 17 12:30:48 2012 From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (Wmodnl) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 08:30:48 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments In-Reply-To: <335C74F1BC8141FC92C2DF1A3816A9F3@klhurstl1> References: <335C74F1BC8141FC92C2DF1A3816A9F3@klhurstl1> Message-ID: Good morning. First, are you on any of the federal housing programs like section 8? On your limited income, that is the only way you both will be able to obtain an apartment on your own. The other option would be to look for roommates to share a place. Good luck with that, when they see you are blind they are going to run! run! run! or never show an effort to share the place with you. Forget the fact that there are two of you. I apologize in advance for sounding cynical; however, I want to be truthful and not sugar cote the truth. Landlords in NYC as well as the rest of the USA will not want a blind person, let alone 2 b/c of liability issues, etc. Have a strong presentation, be ready for much rejection. Also be ready to be offered many many scams. Have someone sighted go with you to make shore that what you are being offered is really the offer. I remember someone being open to me and showing no issue to my blindness. When we saw the apartment, everything seemed great. However, the sighted person told me later to not take it since wholes were up high in the walls, mouse droppings were in the rugs, tiles in the bathroom and hallway were missing with exposed pipes and wires. I called the real-estate office later thanking them for insulting me as a person and there response was one of shock. The representative said in many words that he/she wanted me to be grateful for the apartment and that they were "willing to rent to a blind person" Good luck, I hope all goes well for you, and let me know what you come up with. You may want to wait on waiting lists for apartments through HUD or other programs and postpone your move to NYC for a good number of years. William O'Donnell, distributor Organo Gold Enterprises, INC. www.willsholistics.organogold.com Sent from my iPad On Apr 16, 2012, at 1:34 PM, "keri" wrote: > greetings, > > My bf and I are about to move into an apartment in the New York City area.... We both live on SSI for the time being... We are in need of apartment recommendations that we can aford... We are both college students. We prefer Statin Island but are open to suggestions in the city area. > thanks, > keri > > "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will speak my heart." > --Robert Sexton > > "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it." > --Ivan Panin > > Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Apr 17 12:38:01 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 07:38:01 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments In-Reply-To: References: <335C74F1BC8141FC92C2DF1A3816A9F3@klhurstl1> Message-ID: Wow! That kind of stuff, that happened to you, is illegal! They shouldn't take advantage of us, because of our lack of sight! Blessings, Joshua On 4/17/12, Wmodnl wrote: > Good morning. First, are you on any of the federal housing programs like > section 8? On your limited income, that is the only way you both will be > able to obtain an apartment on your own. The other option would be to look > for roommates to share a place. Good luck with that, when they see you are > blind they are going to run! run! run! or never show an effort to share the > place with you. Forget the fact that there are two of you. > I apologize in advance for sounding cynical; however, I want to be truthful > and not sugar cote the truth. Landlords in NYC as well as the rest of the > USA will not want a blind person, let alone 2 b/c of liability issues, etc. > Have a strong presentation, be ready for much rejection. Also be ready to > be offered many many scams. Have someone sighted go with you to make shore > that what you are being offered is really the offer. > I remember someone being open to me and showing no issue to my blindness. > When we saw the apartment, everything seemed great. However, the sighted > person told me later to not take it since wholes were up high in the walls, > mouse droppings were in the rugs, tiles in the bathroom and hallway were > missing with exposed pipes and wires. I called the real-estate office later > thanking them for insulting me as a person and there response was one of > shock. The representative said in many words that he/she wanted me to be > grateful for the apartment and that they were "willing to rent to a blind > person" Good luck, I hope all goes well for you, and let me know what you > come up with. You may want to wait on waiting lists for apartments through > HUD or other programs and postpone your move to NYC for a good number of > years. > > > William O'Donnell, distributor > Organo Gold Enterprises, INC. > www.willsholistics.organogold.com > Sent from my iPad > > On Apr 16, 2012, at 1:34 PM, "keri" wrote: > >> greetings, >> >> My bf and I are about to move into an apartment in the New York City >> area.... We both live on SSI for the time being... We are in need of >> apartment recommendations that we can aford... We are both college >> students. We prefer Statin Island but are open to suggestions in the city >> area. >> thanks, >> keri >> >> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want >> to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will >> speak my heart." >> --Robert Sexton >> >> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >> there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart >> somewhere to receive it." >> --Ivan Panin >> >> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put >> it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From wmodnl at hotmail.com Tue Apr 17 12:39:49 2012 From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (Wmodnl) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 08:39:49 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments In-Reply-To: <471261B1FE7E4FEEBB4F71FA83A64324@klhurstl1> References: <335C74F1BC8141FC92C2DF1A3816A9F3@klhurstl1> <000d01cd1bfa$9af65020$1400ba43@BRIAN> <3703801C627E40B0BCAD27939FE80D73@Cptr233> <471261B1FE7E4FEEBB4F71FA83A64324@klhurstl1> Message-ID: You would go to the following link: www.hud.gov then find the link that says resources Next, look for the affordable apartment search. A crop-down box appears for the state selection. Select NY. On the next page, you can search by zip, city, etc. NYC zip codes start with 10, 100, 112, 104, etc. The page is fully JFW or VO friendly. People with Zoom text also said that it is a easy page to navigate. Have a great day, good luck. William O'Donnell, distributor Organo Gold Enterprises, INC. www.willsholistics.organogold.com Sent from my iPad On Apr 16, 2012, at 5:42 PM, "keri" wrote: > arielle, > I'm trying to find out huds residency requirements for applying sense I'm moving to NY but i'm getting sent all over the place and keep leaving messages,.... I may have to go visit them in person. I've been looking at craigslist, but it's hard to know who to trust. :) > keri > > "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will speak my heart." > --Robert Sexton > > "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it." > --Ivan Panin > > Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 4:29 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments > > >> Hi all, >> I can't overemphasize the fact that this list's discussions need to be >> about blindness. Asking about housing options that are affordable for >> someone on SSI is a blindness-related query, I think, but criticizing >> someone's decision to live with her boyfriend before marriage or not >> is not blindness-related. It's also not conducive to amicable >> interaction, especially when religion gets involved. >> As to the question at hand, about affordable housing, I'd suggest >> looking at New York's Craigslist if you haven't already. New York is >> expensive, but you may be able to find sublet or room-sharing options >> that are in your price range. You may also qualify for Section 8 >> low-income housing. >> The discussion of whether or not "shacking up" before marriage leads > From wmodnl at hotmail.com Tue Apr 17 12:41:24 2012 From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (Wmodnl) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 08:41:24 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments In-Reply-To: <471261B1FE7E4FEEBB4F71FA83A64324@klhurstl1> References: <335C74F1BC8141FC92C2DF1A3816A9F3@klhurstl1> <000d01cd1bfa$9af65020$1400ba43@BRIAN> <3703801C627E40B0BCAD27939FE80D73@Cptr233> <471261B1FE7E4FEEBB4F71FA83A64324@klhurstl1> Message-ID: The requirements you are looking for vary depending on the project you are applying to. William O'Donnell, distributor Organo Gold Enterprises, INC. www.willsholistics.organogold.com Sent from my iPad On Apr 16, 2012, at 5:42 PM, "keri" wrote: > arielle, > I'm trying to find out huds residency requirements for applying sense I'm moving to NY but i'm getting sent all over the place and keep leaving messages,.... I may have to go visit them in person. I've been looking at craigslist, but it's hard to know who to trust. :) > keri > > "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will speak my heart." > --Robert Sexton > > "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it." > --Ivan Panin > > Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 4:29 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments > > >> Hi all, >> I can't overemphasize the fact that this list's discussions need to be >> about blindness. Asking about housing options that are affordable for >> someone on SSI is a blindness-related query, I think, but criticizing >> someone's decision to live with her boyfriend before marriage or not >> is not blindness-related. It's also not conducive to amicable >> interaction, especially when religion gets involved. >> As to the question at hand, about affordable housing, I'd suggest >> looking at New York's Craigslist if you haven't already. New York is >> expensive, but you may be able to find sublet or room-sharing options >> that are in your price range. You may also qualify for Section 8 >> low-income housing. >> The discussion of whether or not "shacking up" before marriage leads >> to higher divorce rates is an interesting but complicated issue. As >> stated before, it's not blindness-related, so I urge you guys to take >> the debate off this list. >> Respectfully, >> Arielle Silverman, former listserv chair, NABS board member and NABS president >> >> On 4/16/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> The fact that he stated was about the divorce rate. >>> I agree, that the comment shouldn't have been made here, but the >>> reason that he gave is valid. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 4/16/12, Marsha Drenth wrote: >>>> The fact that Bryan said, "You and your boy friend shouldn't be "Shacking >>>> up" or living together before you get married. That's the advice I'd >>>> give >>>> you two as a Christian". Is stating that this is a Christian value. That >>>> is >>>> clearly what the bible says, and is a Christian value. But this is not a >>>> fact for a person who does not practice Christian values. None of us have >>>> the right to judge others, no matter what religion you are. We might not >>>> approve of the actions, but she was asking for information, not judgment. >>>> >>>> This is a list for students, and as Elizabeth said, there plenty of other >>>> places that religious values can be discussed. But this list is not one of >>>> them. You can believe what you like, no one is telling you can't. But the >>>> fact is that in America we have freedom to think, do, say, what we want. >>>> >>>> Marsha >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>> Behalf >>>> Of Joshua Lester >>>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 3:17 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>>> >>>> This has nothing to do with religious values. >>>> He was just stating facts, (IMO.) >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>> >>>> On 4/16/12, Elizabeth wrote: >>>>> Hello Brian, >>>>> >>>>> I believe the intent of this email list is to discuss issues relevant to >>>>> being a blind student. Therefore, I do not believe this is the proper >>>> place >>>>> to judge others based upon their own religious beliefs or lack thereof. >>>>> Others may not believe the same as you, and their beliefs should be >>>>> respected. If you wish to debate religious topics, I believe there are >>>> other >>>>> forums and email lists devoted for this purpose. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Elizabeth >>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>> From: "Brian Hatgelakas" >>>>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:59 PM >>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>>>> >>>>>> You and your boy friend shouldn't be "Shacking up" or living together >>>>>> before you get married. That's the advice I'd give you two as a >>>> Christian >>>>>> >>>>>> guy. You have a higher percent chance of divorce if you do this. >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "keri" >>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:34 PM >>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> greetings, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My bf and I are about to move into an apartment in the New York City >>>>>>> area.... We both live on SSI for the time being... We are in need of >>>>>>> apartment recommendations that we can aford... We are both college >>>>>>> students. We prefer Statin Island but are open to suggestions in the >>>> city >>>>>>> >>>>>>> area. >>>>>>> thanks, >>>>>>> keri >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I >>>>>>> want >>>>>>> to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes >>>>>>> will >>>>>>> speak my heart." >>>>>>> --Robert Sexton >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >>>>>>> there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart >>>>>>> somewhere to receive it." >>>>>>> --Ivan Panin >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & >>>> put >>>>>>> >>>>>>> it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brian.hatgelakas%40veriz >>>> on.net >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p >>>> ccua.edu >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co >>>> m >>>> >>>> >>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>>> signature >>>> database 7045 (20120411) __________ >>>> >>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>> >>>> http://www.eset.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>>> signature >>>> database 7045 (20120411) __________ >>>> >>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>> >>>> http://www.eset.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wvucountrygirl729%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com > From cape.amanda at gmail.com Tue Apr 17 12:51:54 2012 From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (Amanda Cape) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 08:51:54 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille displays for iphone/computer Message-ID: Hi fellow listers, I am looking into getting a braille display that could work with my iphone and computer. Which one do you recommend? The brailliant or the focs 40 blue? What model of the brailliant if you recommend that one? Amanda From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Apr 17 12:54:33 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 07:54:33 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille displays for iphone/computer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It depends on what you want. I had a 40 cell, that I used on my Pac Mate, but I don't know which one it was. Blessings, Joshua On 4/17/12, Amanda Cape wrote: > Hi fellow listers, > I am looking into getting a braille display that could work with my > iphone and computer. Which one do you recommend? The brailliant or the > focs 40 blue? What model of the brailliant if you recommend that one? > Amanda > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From wvucountrygirl729 at gmail.com Tue Apr 17 14:04:13 2012 From: wvucountrygirl729 at gmail.com (keri) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:04:13 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments References: <335C74F1BC8141FC92C2DF1A3816A9F3@klhurstl1> Message-ID: <32F94B91FB1A4169B471DEA0018E6A37@klhurstl1> i can't postpone moving to NYC. I have to go to college. As for section 8 I'll get there eventually but unlike others I know and have done with out it. It just takes hardwork in dedication, but I don't have years to wait for the government to get up and help me. keri "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will speak my heart." --Robert Sexton "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it." --Ivan Panin Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wmodnl" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 8:30 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments > Good morning. First, are you on any of the federal housing programs like > section 8? On your limited income, that is the only way you both will be > able to obtain an apartment on your own. The other option would be to > look for roommates to share a place. Good luck with that, when they see > you are blind they are going to run! run! run! or never show an effort to > share the place with you. Forget the fact that there are two of you. > I apologize in advance for sounding cynical; however, I want to be > truthful and not sugar cote the truth. Landlords in NYC as well as the > rest of the USA will not want a blind person, let alone 2 b/c of liability > issues, etc. > Have a strong presentation, be ready for much rejection. Also be ready to > be offered many many scams. Have someone sighted go with you to make > shore that what you are being offered is really the offer. > I remember someone being open to me and showing no issue to my blindness. > When we saw the apartment, everything seemed great. However, the sighted > person told me later to not take it since wholes were up high in the > walls, mouse droppings were in the rugs, tiles in the bathroom and hallway > were missing with exposed pipes and wires. I called the real-estate > office later thanking them for insulting me as a person and there response > was one of shock. The representative said in many words that he/she > wanted me to be grateful for the apartment and that they were "willing to > rent to a blind person" Good luck, I hope all goes well for you, and let > me know what you come up with. You may want to wait on waiting lists for > apartments through HUD or other programs and postpone your move to NYC for > a good number of years. > > > William O'Donnell, distributor > Organo Gold Enterprises, INC. > www.willsholistics.organogold.com > Sent from my iPad > > On Apr 16, 2012, at 1:34 PM, "keri" wrote: > >> greetings, >> >> My bf and I are about to move into an apartment in the New York City >> area.... We both live on SSI for the time being... We are in need of >> apartment recommendations that we can aford... We are both college >> students. We prefer Statin Island but are open to suggestions in the city >> area. >> thanks, >> keri >> >> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want >> to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will >> speak my heart." >> --Robert Sexton >> >> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >> there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart >> somewhere to receive it." >> --Ivan Panin >> >> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put >> it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wvucountrygirl729%40gmail.com From wvucountrygirl729 at gmail.com Tue Apr 17 14:05:34 2012 From: wvucountrygirl729 at gmail.com (keri) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:05:34 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments References: <335C74F1BC8141FC92C2DF1A3816A9F3@klhurstl1><000d01cd1bfa$9af65020$1400ba43@BRIAN><3703801C627E40B0BCAD27939FE80D73@Cptr233><471261B1FE7E4FEEBB4F71FA83A64324@klhurstl1> Message-ID: <106619471FAB4B46B157BC0DA9625ACA@klhurstl1> huds resources suck. low incoming housing in ny is a joke... full or rude. just saying. I've tried that route. keri "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will speak my heart." --Robert Sexton "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it." --Ivan Panin Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wmodnl" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Cc: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments > You would go to the following link: > www.hud.gov > then find the link that says resources > Next, look for the affordable apartment search. > A crop-down box appears for the state selection. Select NY. > On the next page, you can search by zip, city, etc. > NYC zip codes start with 10, 100, 112, 104, etc. > The page is fully JFW or VO friendly. People with Zoom text also said > that it is a easy page to navigate. Have a great day, good luck. > > > William O'Donnell, distributor > Organo Gold Enterprises, INC. > www.willsholistics.organogold.com > Sent from my iPad > > On Apr 16, 2012, at 5:42 PM, "keri" wrote: > >> arielle, >> I'm trying to find out huds residency requirements for applying sense I'm >> moving to NY but i'm getting sent all over the place and keep leaving >> messages,.... I may have to go visit them in person. I've been looking at >> craigslist, but it's hard to know who to trust. :) >> keri >> >> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want >> to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will >> speak my heart." >> --Robert Sexton >> >> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >> there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart >> somewhere to receive it." >> --Ivan Panin >> >> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put >> it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" >> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 4:29 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >> >> >>> Hi all, >>> I can't overemphasize the fact that this list's discussions need to be >>> about blindness. Asking about housing options that are affordable for >>> someone on SSI is a blindness-related query, I think, but criticizing >>> someone's decision to live with her boyfriend before marriage or not >>> is not blindness-related. It's also not conducive to amicable >>> interaction, especially when religion gets involved. >>> As to the question at hand, about affordable housing, I'd suggest >>> looking at New York's Craigslist if you haven't already. New York is >>> expensive, but you may be able to find sublet or room-sharing options >>> that are in your price range. You may also qualify for Section 8 >>> low-income housing. >>> The discussion of whether or not "shacking up" before marriage leads >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wvucountrygirl729%40gmail.com From wvucountrygirl729 at gmail.com Tue Apr 17 14:06:41 2012 From: wvucountrygirl729 at gmail.com (keri) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:06:41 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments References: <335C74F1BC8141FC92C2DF1A3816A9F3@klhurstl1><000d01cd1bfa$9af65020$1400ba43@BRIAN><3703801C627E40B0BCAD27939FE80D73@Cptr233><471261B1FE7E4FEEBB4F71FA83A64324@klhurstl1> Message-ID: <5D15A2A00DB146B3BE46A16A1C8FEBB4@klhurstl1> And good luck getting someone to answer their phone at hud other than a operator.. keri "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will speak my heart." --Robert Sexton "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it." --Ivan Panin Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wmodnl" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Cc: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments > The requirements you are looking for vary depending on the project you are > applying to. > > > William O'Donnell, distributor > Organo Gold Enterprises, INC. > www.willsholistics.organogold.com > Sent from my iPad > > On Apr 16, 2012, at 5:42 PM, "keri" wrote: > >> arielle, >> I'm trying to find out huds residency requirements for applying sense I'm >> moving to NY but i'm getting sent all over the place and keep leaving >> messages,.... I may have to go visit them in person. I've been looking at >> craigslist, but it's hard to know who to trust. :) >> keri >> >> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want >> to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will >> speak my heart." >> --Robert Sexton >> >> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >> there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart >> somewhere to receive it." >> --Ivan Panin >> >> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put >> it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" >> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 4:29 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >> >> >>> Hi all, >>> I can't overemphasize the fact that this list's discussions need to be >>> about blindness. Asking about housing options that are affordable for >>> someone on SSI is a blindness-related query, I think, but criticizing >>> someone's decision to live with her boyfriend before marriage or not >>> is not blindness-related. It's also not conducive to amicable >>> interaction, especially when religion gets involved. >>> As to the question at hand, about affordable housing, I'd suggest >>> looking at New York's Craigslist if you haven't already. New York is >>> expensive, but you may be able to find sublet or room-sharing options >>> that are in your price range. You may also qualify for Section 8 >>> low-income housing. >>> The discussion of whether or not "shacking up" before marriage leads >>> to higher divorce rates is an interesting but complicated issue. As >>> stated before, it's not blindness-related, so I urge you guys to take >>> the debate off this list. >>> Respectfully, >>> Arielle Silverman, former listserv chair, NABS board member and NABS >>> president >>> >>> On 4/16/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>> The fact that he stated was about the divorce rate. >>>> I agree, that the comment shouldn't have been made here, but the >>>> reason that he gave is valid. >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>> >>>> On 4/16/12, Marsha Drenth wrote: >>>>> The fact that Bryan said, "You and your boy friend shouldn't be >>>>> "Shacking >>>>> up" or living together before you get married. That's the advice I'd >>>>> give >>>>> you two as a Christian". Is stating that this is a Christian value. >>>>> That >>>>> is >>>>> clearly what the bible says, and is a Christian value. But this is not >>>>> a >>>>> fact for a person who does not practice Christian values. None of us >>>>> have >>>>> the right to judge others, no matter what religion you are. We might >>>>> not >>>>> approve of the actions, but she was asking for information, not >>>>> judgment. >>>>> >>>>> This is a list for students, and as Elizabeth said, there plenty of >>>>> other >>>>> places that religious values can be discussed. But this list is not >>>>> one of >>>>> them. You can believe what you like, no one is telling you can't. But >>>>> the >>>>> fact is that in America we have freedom to think, do, say, what we >>>>> want. >>>>> >>>>> Marsha >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>> Behalf >>>>> Of Joshua Lester >>>>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 3:17 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>>>> >>>>> This has nothing to do with religious values. >>>>> He was just stating facts, (IMO.) >>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>> >>>>> On 4/16/12, Elizabeth wrote: >>>>>> Hello Brian, >>>>>> >>>>>> I believe the intent of this email list is to discuss issues relevant >>>>>> to >>>>>> being a blind student. Therefore, I do not believe this is the proper >>>>> place >>>>>> to judge others based upon their own religious beliefs or lack >>>>>> thereof. >>>>>> Others may not believe the same as you, and their beliefs should be >>>>>> respected. If you wish to debate religious topics, I believe there >>>>>> are >>>>> other >>>>>> forums and email lists devoted for this purpose. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Elizabeth >>>>>> >>>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> From: "Brian Hatgelakas" >>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:59 PM >>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>>> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>>>>> >>>>>>> You and your boy friend shouldn't be "Shacking up" or living >>>>>>> together >>>>>>> before you get married. That's the advice I'd give you two as a >>>>> Christian >>>>>>> >>>>>>> guy. You have a higher percent chance of divorce if you do this. >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "keri" >>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:34 PM >>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> greetings, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My bf and I are about to move into an apartment in the New York >>>>>>>> City >>>>>>>> area.... We both live on SSI for the time being... We are in need >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> apartment recommendations that we can aford... We are both college >>>>>>>> students. We prefer Statin Island but are open to suggestions in >>>>>>>> the >>>>> city >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> area. >>>>>>>> thanks, >>>>>>>> keri >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I >>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>> to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes >>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>> speak my heart." >>>>>>>> --Robert Sexton >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every >>>>>>>> truth >>>>>>>> there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a >>>>>>>> heart >>>>>>>> somewhere to receive it." >>>>>>>> --Ivan Panin >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart >>>>>>>> & >>>>> put >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brian.hatgelakas%40veriz >>>>> on.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p >>>>> ccua.edu >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co >>>>> m >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>>>> signature >>>>> database 7045 (20120411) __________ >>>>> >>>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.eset.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>>>> signature >>>>> database 7045 (20120411) __________ >>>>> >>>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.eset.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wvucountrygirl729%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wvucountrygirl729%40gmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Apr 17 14:08:21 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:08:21 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments In-Reply-To: <32F94B91FB1A4169B471DEA0018E6A37@klhurstl1> References: <335C74F1BC8141FC92C2DF1A3816A9F3@klhurstl1> <32F94B91FB1A4169B471DEA0018E6A37@klhurstl1> Message-ID: I wish you all the best. So, Keri, what's your major? Thanks, Joshua On 4/17/12, keri wrote: > i can't postpone moving to NYC. I have to go to college. > As for section 8 I'll get there eventually but unlike others I know and have > done with out it. It just takes hardwork in dedication, but I don't have > years to wait for the government to get up and help me. > keri > > "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want to > say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will speak > my heart." > --Robert Sexton > > "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there > is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to > receive it." > --Ivan Panin > > Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put it > back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wmodnl" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 8:30 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments > > >> Good morning. First, are you on any of the federal housing programs like >> section 8? On your limited income, that is the only way you both will be >> able to obtain an apartment on your own. The other option would be to >> look for roommates to share a place. Good luck with that, when they see >> you are blind they are going to run! run! run! or never show an effort to >> share the place with you. Forget the fact that there are two of you. >> I apologize in advance for sounding cynical; however, I want to be >> truthful and not sugar cote the truth. Landlords in NYC as well as the >> rest of the USA will not want a blind person, let alone 2 b/c of liability >> >> issues, etc. >> Have a strong presentation, be ready for much rejection. Also be ready to >> >> be offered many many scams. Have someone sighted go with you to make >> shore that what you are being offered is really the offer. >> I remember someone being open to me and showing no issue to my blindness. >> When we saw the apartment, everything seemed great. However, the sighted >> person told me later to not take it since wholes were up high in the >> walls, mouse droppings were in the rugs, tiles in the bathroom and hallway >> >> were missing with exposed pipes and wires. I called the real-estate >> office later thanking them for insulting me as a person and there response >> >> was one of shock. The representative said in many words that he/she >> wanted me to be grateful for the apartment and that they were "willing to >> rent to a blind person" Good luck, I hope all goes well for you, and let >> me know what you come up with. You may want to wait on waiting lists for >> apartments through HUD or other programs and postpone your move to NYC for >> >> a good number of years. >> >> >> William O'Donnell, distributor >> Organo Gold Enterprises, INC. >> www.willsholistics.organogold.com >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Apr 16, 2012, at 1:34 PM, "keri" wrote: >> >>> greetings, >>> >>> My bf and I are about to move into an apartment in the New York City >>> area.... We both live on SSI for the time being... We are in need of >>> apartment recommendations that we can aford... We are both college >>> students. We prefer Statin Island but are open to suggestions in the city >>> >>> area. >>> thanks, >>> keri >>> >>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want >>> to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will >>> speak my heart." >>> --Robert Sexton >>> >>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >>> there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart >>> somewhere to receive it." >>> --Ivan Panin >>> >>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put >>> >>> it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wvucountrygirl729%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Apr 17 14:09:25 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:09:25 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments In-Reply-To: <106619471FAB4B46B157BC0DA9625ACA@klhurstl1> References: <335C74F1BC8141FC92C2DF1A3816A9F3@klhurstl1> <000d01cd1bfa$9af65020$1400ba43@BRIAN> <3703801C627E40B0BCAD27939FE80D73@Cptr233> <471261B1FE7E4FEEBB4F71FA83A64324@klhurstl1> <106619471FAB4B46B157BC0DA9625ACA@klhurstl1> Message-ID: Hud, is just as bad, in Arkansas! Blessings, Joshua On 4/17/12, keri wrote: > huds resources suck. low incoming housing in ny is a joke... full or rude. > just saying. I've tried that route. > keri > > "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want to > say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will speak > my heart." > --Robert Sexton > > "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there > is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to > receive it." > --Ivan Panin > > Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put it > back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wmodnl" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Cc: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 8:39 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments > > >> You would go to the following link: >> www.hud.gov >> then find the link that says resources >> Next, look for the affordable apartment search. >> A crop-down box appears for the state selection. Select NY. >> On the next page, you can search by zip, city, etc. >> NYC zip codes start with 10, 100, 112, 104, etc. >> The page is fully JFW or VO friendly. People with Zoom text also said >> that it is a easy page to navigate. Have a great day, good luck. >> >> >> William O'Donnell, distributor >> Organo Gold Enterprises, INC. >> www.willsholistics.organogold.com >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Apr 16, 2012, at 5:42 PM, "keri" wrote: >> >>> arielle, >>> I'm trying to find out huds residency requirements for applying sense I'm >>> >>> moving to NY but i'm getting sent all over the place and keep leaving >>> messages,.... I may have to go visit them in person. I've been looking at >>> >>> craigslist, but it's hard to know who to trust. :) >>> keri >>> >>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want >>> to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will >>> speak my heart." >>> --Robert Sexton >>> >>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >>> there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart >>> somewhere to receive it." >>> --Ivan Panin >>> >>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put >>> >>> it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" >>> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 4:29 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>> >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> I can't overemphasize the fact that this list's discussions need to be >>>> about blindness. Asking about housing options that are affordable for >>>> someone on SSI is a blindness-related query, I think, but criticizing >>>> someone's decision to live with her boyfriend before marriage or not >>>> is not blindness-related. It's also not conducive to amicable >>>> interaction, especially when religion gets involved. >>>> As to the question at hand, about affordable housing, I'd suggest >>>> looking at New York's Craigslist if you haven't already. New York is >>>> expensive, but you may be able to find sublet or room-sharing options >>>> that are in your price range. You may also qualify for Section 8 >>>> low-income housing. >>>> The discussion of whether or not "shacking up" before marriage leads >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wvucountrygirl729%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From wvucountrygirl729 at gmail.com Tue Apr 17 14:13:36 2012 From: wvucountrygirl729 at gmail.com (keri) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:13:36 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments References: <335C74F1BC8141FC92C2DF1A3816A9F3@klhurstl1><32F94B91FB1A4169B471DEA0018E6A37@klhurstl1> Message-ID: <8E320524BA8D47BFB936291E524CB137@klhurstl1> well when i can actually get to school.... forensic psychology. keri "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will speak my heart." --Robert Sexton "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it." --Ivan Panin Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >I wish you all the best. > So, Keri, what's your major? > Thanks, Joshua > > On 4/17/12, keri wrote: >> i can't postpone moving to NYC. I have to go to college. >> As for section 8 I'll get there eventually but unlike others I know and >> have >> done with out it. It just takes hardwork in dedication, but I don't have >> years to wait for the government to get up and help me. >> keri >> >> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want >> to >> say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will >> speak >> my heart." >> --Robert Sexton >> >> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >> there >> is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere >> to >> receive it." >> --Ivan Panin >> >> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put >> it >> back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Wmodnl" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 8:30 AM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >> >> >>> Good morning. First, are you on any of the federal housing programs >>> like >>> section 8? On your limited income, that is the only way you both will >>> be >>> able to obtain an apartment on your own. The other option would be to >>> look for roommates to share a place. Good luck with that, when they see >>> you are blind they are going to run! run! run! or never show an effort >>> to >>> share the place with you. Forget the fact that there are two of you. >>> I apologize in advance for sounding cynical; however, I want to be >>> truthful and not sugar cote the truth. Landlords in NYC as well as the >>> rest of the USA will not want a blind person, let alone 2 b/c of >>> liability >>> >>> issues, etc. >>> Have a strong presentation, be ready for much rejection. Also be ready >>> to >>> >>> be offered many many scams. Have someone sighted go with you to make >>> shore that what you are being offered is really the offer. >>> I remember someone being open to me and showing no issue to my >>> blindness. >>> When we saw the apartment, everything seemed great. However, the >>> sighted >>> person told me later to not take it since wholes were up high in the >>> walls, mouse droppings were in the rugs, tiles in the bathroom and >>> hallway >>> >>> were missing with exposed pipes and wires. I called the real-estate >>> office later thanking them for insulting me as a person and there >>> response >>> >>> was one of shock. The representative said in many words that he/she >>> wanted me to be grateful for the apartment and that they were "willing >>> to >>> rent to a blind person" Good luck, I hope all goes well for you, and >>> let >>> me know what you come up with. You may want to wait on waiting lists >>> for >>> apartments through HUD or other programs and postpone your move to NYC >>> for >>> >>> a good number of years. >>> >>> >>> William O'Donnell, distributor >>> Organo Gold Enterprises, INC. >>> www.willsholistics.organogold.com >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Apr 16, 2012, at 1:34 PM, "keri" wrote: >>> >>>> greetings, >>>> >>>> My bf and I are about to move into an apartment in the New York City >>>> area.... We both live on SSI for the time being... We are in need of >>>> apartment recommendations that we can aford... We are both college >>>> students. We prefer Statin Island but are open to suggestions in the >>>> city >>>> >>>> area. >>>> thanks, >>>> keri >>>> >>>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I >>>> want >>>> to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes >>>> will >>>> speak my heart." >>>> --Robert Sexton >>>> >>>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >>>> there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart >>>> somewhere to receive it." >>>> --Ivan Panin >>>> >>>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & >>>> put >>>> >>>> it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wvucountrygirl729%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wvucountrygirl729%40gmail.com > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Apr 17 14:18:51 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:18:51 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments In-Reply-To: <8E320524BA8D47BFB936291E524CB137@klhurstl1> References: <335C74F1BC8141FC92C2DF1A3816A9F3@klhurstl1> <32F94B91FB1A4169B471DEA0018E6A37@klhurstl1> <8E320524BA8D47BFB936291E524CB137@klhurstl1> Message-ID: Sounds great! Please E-mail me, offlist. Thanks, Joshua On 4/17/12, keri wrote: > well when i can actually get to school.... forensic psychology. > keri > > "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want to > say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will speak > my heart." > --Robert Sexton > > "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there > is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to > receive it." > --Ivan Panin > > Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put it > back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:08 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments > > >>I wish you all the best. >> So, Keri, what's your major? >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> On 4/17/12, keri wrote: >>> i can't postpone moving to NYC. I have to go to college. >>> As for section 8 I'll get there eventually but unlike others I know and >>> have >>> done with out it. It just takes hardwork in dedication, but I don't have >>> years to wait for the government to get up and help me. >>> keri >>> >>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want >>> to >>> say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will >>> speak >>> my heart." >>> --Robert Sexton >>> >>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >>> there >>> is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere >>> >>> to >>> receive it." >>> --Ivan Panin >>> >>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put >>> >>> it >>> back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Wmodnl" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 8:30 AM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>> >>> >>>> Good morning. First, are you on any of the federal housing programs >>>> like >>>> section 8? On your limited income, that is the only way you both will >>>> be >>>> able to obtain an apartment on your own. The other option would be to >>>> look for roommates to share a place. Good luck with that, when they see >>>> you are blind they are going to run! run! run! or never show an effort >>>> to >>>> share the place with you. Forget the fact that there are two of you. >>>> I apologize in advance for sounding cynical; however, I want to be >>>> truthful and not sugar cote the truth. Landlords in NYC as well as the >>>> rest of the USA will not want a blind person, let alone 2 b/c of >>>> liability >>>> >>>> issues, etc. >>>> Have a strong presentation, be ready for much rejection. Also be ready >>>> to >>>> >>>> be offered many many scams. Have someone sighted go with you to make >>>> shore that what you are being offered is really the offer. >>>> I remember someone being open to me and showing no issue to my >>>> blindness. >>>> When we saw the apartment, everything seemed great. However, the >>>> sighted >>>> person told me later to not take it since wholes were up high in the >>>> walls, mouse droppings were in the rugs, tiles in the bathroom and >>>> hallway >>>> >>>> were missing with exposed pipes and wires. I called the real-estate >>>> office later thanking them for insulting me as a person and there >>>> response >>>> >>>> was one of shock. The representative said in many words that he/she >>>> wanted me to be grateful for the apartment and that they were "willing >>>> to >>>> rent to a blind person" Good luck, I hope all goes well for you, and >>>> let >>>> me know what you come up with. You may want to wait on waiting lists >>>> for >>>> apartments through HUD or other programs and postpone your move to NYC >>>> for >>>> >>>> a good number of years. >>>> >>>> >>>> William O'Donnell, distributor >>>> Organo Gold Enterprises, INC. >>>> www.willsholistics.organogold.com >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>> On Apr 16, 2012, at 1:34 PM, "keri" wrote: >>>> >>>>> greetings, >>>>> >>>>> My bf and I are about to move into an apartment in the New York City >>>>> area.... We both live on SSI for the time being... We are in need of >>>>> apartment recommendations that we can aford... We are both college >>>>> students. We prefer Statin Island but are open to suggestions in the >>>>> city >>>>> >>>>> area. >>>>> thanks, >>>>> keri >>>>> >>>>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I >>>>> want >>>>> to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes >>>>> will >>>>> speak my heart." >>>>> --Robert Sexton >>>>> >>>>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >>>>> there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart >>>>> somewhere to receive it." >>>>> --Ivan Panin >>>>> >>>>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & >>>>> put >>>>> >>>>> it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wvucountrygirl729%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wvucountrygirl729%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From gloria.graves at gmail.com Tue Apr 17 14:25:42 2012 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:25:42 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments References: <335C74F1BC8141FC92C2DF1A3816A9F3@klhurstl1> <32F94B91FB1A4169B471DEA0018E6A37@klhurstl1> Message-ID: <39C3540FFF27473D8D0239F9173A5739@Gloria> good thinking ----- Original Message ----- From: "keri" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >i can't postpone moving to NYC. I have to go to college. > As for section 8 I'll get there eventually but unlike others I know and > have done with out it. It just takes hardwork in dedication, but I don't > have years to wait for the government to get up and help me. > keri > > "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want > to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will > speak my heart." > --Robert Sexton > > "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth > there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart > somewhere to receive it." > --Ivan Panin > > Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put > it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wmodnl" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 8:30 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments > > >> Good morning. First, are you on any of the federal housing programs like >> section 8? On your limited income, that is the only way you both will be >> able to obtain an apartment on your own. The other option would be to >> look for roommates to share a place. Good luck with that, when they see >> you are blind they are going to run! run! run! or never show an effort to >> share the place with you. Forget the fact that there are two of you. >> I apologize in advance for sounding cynical; however, I want to be >> truthful and not sugar cote the truth. Landlords in NYC as well as the >> rest of the USA will not want a blind person, let alone 2 b/c of >> liability issues, etc. >> Have a strong presentation, be ready for much rejection. Also be ready >> to be offered many many scams. Have someone sighted go with you to make >> shore that what you are being offered is really the offer. >> I remember someone being open to me and showing no issue to my blindness. >> When we saw the apartment, everything seemed great. However, the sighted >> person told me later to not take it since wholes were up high in the >> walls, mouse droppings were in the rugs, tiles in the bathroom and >> hallway were missing with exposed pipes and wires. I called the >> real-estate office later thanking them for insulting me as a person and >> there response was one of shock. The representative said in many words >> that he/she wanted me to be grateful for the apartment and that they were >> "willing to rent to a blind person" Good luck, I hope all goes well for >> you, and let me know what you come up with. You may want to wait on >> waiting lists for apartments through HUD or other programs and postpone >> your move to NYC for a good number of years. >> >> >> William O'Donnell, distributor >> Organo Gold Enterprises, INC. >> www.willsholistics.organogold.com >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Apr 16, 2012, at 1:34 PM, "keri" wrote: >> >>> greetings, >>> >>> My bf and I are about to move into an apartment in the New York City >>> area.... We both live on SSI for the time being... We are in need of >>> apartment recommendations that we can aford... We are both college >>> students. We prefer Statin Island but are open to suggestions in the >>> city area. >>> thanks, >>> keri >>> >>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want >>> to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will >>> speak my heart." >>> --Robert Sexton >>> >>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >>> there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart >>> somewhere to receive it." >>> --Ivan Panin >>> >>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & >>> put it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wvucountrygirl729%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From gloria.graves at gmail.com Tue Apr 17 14:26:51 2012 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:26:51 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments References: <335C74F1BC8141FC92C2DF1A3816A9F3@klhurstl1><32F94B91FB1A4169B471DEA0018E6A37@klhurstl1> <8E320524BA8D47BFB936291E524CB137@klhurstl1> Message-ID: wow that sounds like a fun and exciting major. good luck ----- Original Message ----- From: "keri" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 9:13 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments > well when i can actually get to school.... forensic psychology. > keri > > "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want > to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will > speak my heart." > --Robert Sexton > > "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth > there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart > somewhere to receive it." > --Ivan Panin > > Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put > it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:08 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments > > >>I wish you all the best. >> So, Keri, what's your major? >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> On 4/17/12, keri wrote: >>> i can't postpone moving to NYC. I have to go to college. >>> As for section 8 I'll get there eventually but unlike others I know and >>> have >>> done with out it. It just takes hardwork in dedication, but I don't have >>> years to wait for the government to get up and help me. >>> keri >>> >>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want >>> to >>> say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will >>> speak >>> my heart." >>> --Robert Sexton >>> >>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >>> there >>> is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart >>> somewhere to >>> receive it." >>> --Ivan Panin >>> >>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & >>> put it >>> back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Wmodnl" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 8:30 AM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>> >>> >>>> Good morning. First, are you on any of the federal housing programs >>>> like >>>> section 8? On your limited income, that is the only way you both will >>>> be >>>> able to obtain an apartment on your own. The other option would be to >>>> look for roommates to share a place. Good luck with that, when they >>>> see >>>> you are blind they are going to run! run! run! or never show an effort >>>> to >>>> share the place with you. Forget the fact that there are two of you. >>>> I apologize in advance for sounding cynical; however, I want to be >>>> truthful and not sugar cote the truth. Landlords in NYC as well as the >>>> rest of the USA will not want a blind person, let alone 2 b/c of >>>> liability >>>> >>>> issues, etc. >>>> Have a strong presentation, be ready for much rejection. Also be ready >>>> to >>>> >>>> be offered many many scams. Have someone sighted go with you to make >>>> shore that what you are being offered is really the offer. >>>> I remember someone being open to me and showing no issue to my >>>> blindness. >>>> When we saw the apartment, everything seemed great. However, the >>>> sighted >>>> person told me later to not take it since wholes were up high in the >>>> walls, mouse droppings were in the rugs, tiles in the bathroom and >>>> hallway >>>> >>>> were missing with exposed pipes and wires. I called the real-estate >>>> office later thanking them for insulting me as a person and there >>>> response >>>> >>>> was one of shock. The representative said in many words that he/she >>>> wanted me to be grateful for the apartment and that they were "willing >>>> to >>>> rent to a blind person" Good luck, I hope all goes well for you, and >>>> let >>>> me know what you come up with. You may want to wait on waiting lists >>>> for >>>> apartments through HUD or other programs and postpone your move to NYC >>>> for >>>> >>>> a good number of years. >>>> >>>> >>>> William O'Donnell, distributor >>>> Organo Gold Enterprises, INC. >>>> www.willsholistics.organogold.com >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>> On Apr 16, 2012, at 1:34 PM, "keri" >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> greetings, >>>>> >>>>> My bf and I are about to move into an apartment in the New York City >>>>> area.... We both live on SSI for the time being... We are in need of >>>>> apartment recommendations that we can aford... We are both college >>>>> students. We prefer Statin Island but are open to suggestions in the >>>>> city >>>>> >>>>> area. >>>>> thanks, >>>>> keri >>>>> >>>>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I >>>>> want >>>>> to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes >>>>> will >>>>> speak my heart." >>>>> --Robert Sexton >>>>> >>>>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >>>>> there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart >>>>> somewhere to receive it." >>>>> --Ivan Panin >>>>> >>>>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & >>>>> put >>>>> >>>>> it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wvucountrygirl729%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wvucountrygirl729%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Tue Apr 17 14:35:20 2012 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 07:35:20 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Nabs Membership call: Sports and fitness Message-ID: Greettings Nabs members! We hope everyone is getting excited for summer. Because it will be here very soon. And we know you want to look your best. So NABS is happy to host a call about ways to get in to shape and stay looking good. Please join us on April 22nd at 7pm eastern. For some fun conversation with some great folks who know all about fittness including Amber Sherrard and Serena Olsen. We all need to get out of our dormrooms or apartments and feel good about ourselves, so let’s start talking about it, so you can go do it! Confrence call number is : 712-775-7100 code: 257963 Sincerely, Nabs Membership Committee From brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net Tue Apr 17 14:56:01 2012 From: brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net (Brian Hatgelakas) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:56:01 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments References: <335C74F1BC8141FC92C2DF1A3816A9F3@klhurstl1> Message-ID: <001301cd1caa$34fff4a0$1400ba43@BRIAN> Why would land lords discriminate against blind people? This discrimination is illegal. My girl friend is sighted but also is African American. If she was discriminated against their would be a tough law suit ahead. If the Blacks aren't discriminated against anymore why are these practices still enacted towards blind people? Those that discriminate against us should get in as much trouble as discriminating against a black person. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wmodnl" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 8:30 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments > Good morning. First, are you on any of the federal housing programs like > section 8? On your limited income, that is the only way you both will be > able to obtain an apartment on your own. The other option would be to > look for roommates to share a place. Good luck with that, when they see > you are blind they are going to run! run! run! or never show an effort to > share the place with you. Forget the fact that there are two of you. > I apologize in advance for sounding cynical; however, I want to be > truthful and not sugar cote the truth. Landlords in NYC as well as the > rest of the USA will not want a blind person, let alone 2 b/c of liability > issues, etc. > Have a strong presentation, be ready for much rejection. Also be ready to > be offered many many scams. Have someone sighted go with you to make > shore that what you are being offered is really the offer. > I remember someone being open to me and showing no issue to my blindness. > When we saw the apartment, everything seemed great. However, the sighted > person told me later to not take it since wholes were up high in the > walls, mouse droppings were in the rugs, tiles in the bathroom and hallway > were missing with exposed pipes and wires. I called the real-estate > office later thanking them for insulting me as a person and there response > was one of shock. The representative said in many words that he/she > wanted me to be grateful for the apartment and that they were "willing to > rent to a blind person" Good luck, I hope all goes well for you, and let > me know what you come up with. You may want to wait on waiting lists for > apartments through HUD or other programs and postpone your move to NYC for > a good number of years. > > > William O'Donnell, distributor > Organo Gold Enterprises, INC. > www.willsholistics.organogold.com > Sent from my iPad > > On Apr 16, 2012, at 1:34 PM, "keri" wrote: > >> greetings, >> >> My bf and I are about to move into an apartment in the New York City >> area.... We both live on SSI for the time being... We are in need of >> apartment recommendations that we can aford... We are both college >> students. We prefer Statin Island but are open to suggestions in the city >> area. >> thanks, >> keri >> >> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want >> to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will >> speak my heart." >> --Robert Sexton >> >> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >> there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart >> somewhere to receive it." >> --Ivan Panin >> >> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put >> it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brian.hatgelakas%40verizon.net From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Apr 17 14:59:35 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:59:35 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments In-Reply-To: <001301cd1caa$34fff4a0$1400ba43@BRIAN> References: <335C74F1BC8141FC92C2DF1A3816A9F3@klhurstl1> <001301cd1caa$34fff4a0$1400ba43@BRIAN> Message-ID: The law states, that they can't discriminate against anyone, regardless of race, orientation, or disability. What's the problem? Someone needs to ask Mr LaBarre, to sue the landlords, in question. With his experience, as a lawyer, it's an easy case to win! Blessings, Joshua On 4/17/12, Brian Hatgelakas wrote: > Why would land lords discriminate against blind people? This discrimination > is illegal. My girl friend is sighted but also is African American. If she > was discriminated against their would be a tough law suit ahead. If the > Blacks aren't discriminated against anymore why are these practices still > enacted towards blind people? Those that discriminate against us should get > in as much trouble as discriminating against a black person. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wmodnl" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 8:30 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments > > >> Good morning. First, are you on any of the federal housing programs like >> section 8? On your limited income, that is the only way you both will be >> able to obtain an apartment on your own. The other option would be to >> look for roommates to share a place. Good luck with that, when they see >> you are blind they are going to run! run! run! or never show an effort to >> share the place with you. Forget the fact that there are two of you. >> I apologize in advance for sounding cynical; however, I want to be >> truthful and not sugar cote the truth. Landlords in NYC as well as the >> rest of the USA will not want a blind person, let alone 2 b/c of liability >> >> issues, etc. >> Have a strong presentation, be ready for much rejection. Also be ready to >> >> be offered many many scams. Have someone sighted go with you to make >> shore that what you are being offered is really the offer. >> I remember someone being open to me and showing no issue to my blindness. >> When we saw the apartment, everything seemed great. However, the sighted >> person told me later to not take it since wholes were up high in the >> walls, mouse droppings were in the rugs, tiles in the bathroom and hallway >> >> were missing with exposed pipes and wires. I called the real-estate >> office later thanking them for insulting me as a person and there response >> >> was one of shock. The representative said in many words that he/she >> wanted me to be grateful for the apartment and that they were "willing to >> rent to a blind person" Good luck, I hope all goes well for you, and let >> me know what you come up with. You may want to wait on waiting lists for >> apartments through HUD or other programs and postpone your move to NYC for >> >> a good number of years. >> >> >> William O'Donnell, distributor >> Organo Gold Enterprises, INC. >> www.willsholistics.organogold.com >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Apr 16, 2012, at 1:34 PM, "keri" wrote: >> >>> greetings, >>> >>> My bf and I are about to move into an apartment in the New York City >>> area.... We both live on SSI for the time being... We are in need of >>> apartment recommendations that we can aford... We are both college >>> students. We prefer Statin Island but are open to suggestions in the city >>> >>> area. >>> thanks, >>> keri >>> >>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want >>> to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will >>> speak my heart." >>> --Robert Sexton >>> >>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >>> there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart >>> somewhere to receive it." >>> --Ivan Panin >>> >>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put >>> >>> it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brian.hatgelakas%40verizon.net >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From gloria.graves at gmail.com Tue Apr 17 15:16:18 2012 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:16:18 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments References: <335C74F1BC8141FC92C2DF1A3816A9F3@klhurstl1><001301cd1caa$34fff4a0$1400ba43@BRIAN> Message-ID: <9587D8DBA2E54298A601B86A56F37376@Gloria> I have gotten apartments on my own as a blind person and have had no issues. The landlords were really open minded and willing to change certain things in the apartment to being more accessible for me like putting in a talking thermastat. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments > The law states, that they can't discriminate against anyone, > regardless of race, orientation, or disability. > What's the problem? > Someone needs to ask Mr LaBarre, to sue the landlords, in question. > With his experience, as a lawyer, it's an easy case to win! > Blessings, Joshua > > On 4/17/12, Brian Hatgelakas wrote: >> Why would land lords discriminate against blind people? This >> discrimination >> is illegal. My girl friend is sighted but also is African American. If >> she >> was discriminated against their would be a tough law suit ahead. If the >> Blacks aren't discriminated against anymore why are these practices still >> enacted towards blind people? Those that discriminate against us should >> get >> in as much trouble as discriminating against a black person. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Wmodnl" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 8:30 AM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >> >> >>> Good morning. First, are you on any of the federal housing programs >>> like >>> section 8? On your limited income, that is the only way you both will >>> be >>> able to obtain an apartment on your own. The other option would be to >>> look for roommates to share a place. Good luck with that, when they see >>> you are blind they are going to run! run! run! or never show an effort >>> to >>> share the place with you. Forget the fact that there are two of you. >>> I apologize in advance for sounding cynical; however, I want to be >>> truthful and not sugar cote the truth. Landlords in NYC as well as the >>> rest of the USA will not want a blind person, let alone 2 b/c of >>> liability >>> >>> issues, etc. >>> Have a strong presentation, be ready for much rejection. Also be ready >>> to >>> >>> be offered many many scams. Have someone sighted go with you to make >>> shore that what you are being offered is really the offer. >>> I remember someone being open to me and showing no issue to my >>> blindness. >>> When we saw the apartment, everything seemed great. However, the >>> sighted >>> person told me later to not take it since wholes were up high in the >>> walls, mouse droppings were in the rugs, tiles in the bathroom and >>> hallway >>> >>> were missing with exposed pipes and wires. I called the real-estate >>> office later thanking them for insulting me as a person and there >>> response >>> >>> was one of shock. The representative said in many words that he/she >>> wanted me to be grateful for the apartment and that they were "willing >>> to >>> rent to a blind person" Good luck, I hope all goes well for you, and >>> let >>> me know what you come up with. You may want to wait on waiting lists >>> for >>> apartments through HUD or other programs and postpone your move to NYC >>> for >>> >>> a good number of years. >>> >>> >>> William O'Donnell, distributor >>> Organo Gold Enterprises, INC. >>> www.willsholistics.organogold.com >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Apr 16, 2012, at 1:34 PM, "keri" wrote: >>> >>>> greetings, >>>> >>>> My bf and I are about to move into an apartment in the New York City >>>> area.... We both live on SSI for the time being... We are in need of >>>> apartment recommendations that we can aford... We are both college >>>> students. We prefer Statin Island but are open to suggestions in the >>>> city >>>> >>>> area. >>>> thanks, >>>> keri >>>> >>>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I >>>> want >>>> to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes >>>> will >>>> speak my heart." >>>> --Robert Sexton >>>> >>>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >>>> there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart >>>> somewhere to receive it." >>>> --Ivan Panin >>>> >>>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & >>>> put >>>> >>>> it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brian.hatgelakas%40verizon.net >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Apr 17 15:20:11 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:20:11 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments In-Reply-To: <9587D8DBA2E54298A601B86A56F37376@Gloria> References: <335C74F1BC8141FC92C2DF1A3816A9F3@klhurstl1> <001301cd1caa$34fff4a0$1400ba43@BRIAN> <9587D8DBA2E54298A601B86A56F37376@Gloria> Message-ID: Your landlords are complying with the ADA, and I applaud them for it! These guys, aren't! Blessings, Joshua On 4/17/12, Gloria G wrote: > I have gotten apartments on my own as a blind person and have had no issues. > The landlords were really open minded and willing to change certain things > in the apartment to being more accessible for me like putting in a talking > thermastat. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 9:59 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments > > >> The law states, that they can't discriminate against anyone, >> regardless of race, orientation, or disability. >> What's the problem? >> Someone needs to ask Mr LaBarre, to sue the landlords, in question. >> With his experience, as a lawyer, it's an easy case to win! >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 4/17/12, Brian Hatgelakas wrote: >>> Why would land lords discriminate against blind people? This >>> discrimination >>> is illegal. My girl friend is sighted but also is African American. If >>> she >>> was discriminated against their would be a tough law suit ahead. If the >>> Blacks aren't discriminated against anymore why are these practices still >>> enacted towards blind people? Those that discriminate against us should >>> get >>> in as much trouble as discriminating against a black person. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Wmodnl" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 8:30 AM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>> >>> >>>> Good morning. First, are you on any of the federal housing programs >>>> like >>>> section 8? On your limited income, that is the only way you both will >>>> be >>>> able to obtain an apartment on your own. The other option would be to >>>> look for roommates to share a place. Good luck with that, when they see >>>> you are blind they are going to run! run! run! or never show an effort >>>> to >>>> share the place with you. Forget the fact that there are two of you. >>>> I apologize in advance for sounding cynical; however, I want to be >>>> truthful and not sugar cote the truth. Landlords in NYC as well as the >>>> rest of the USA will not want a blind person, let alone 2 b/c of >>>> liability >>>> >>>> issues, etc. >>>> Have a strong presentation, be ready for much rejection. Also be ready >>>> to >>>> >>>> be offered many many scams. Have someone sighted go with you to make >>>> shore that what you are being offered is really the offer. >>>> I remember someone being open to me and showing no issue to my >>>> blindness. >>>> When we saw the apartment, everything seemed great. However, the >>>> sighted >>>> person told me later to not take it since wholes were up high in the >>>> walls, mouse droppings were in the rugs, tiles in the bathroom and >>>> hallway >>>> >>>> were missing with exposed pipes and wires. I called the real-estate >>>> office later thanking them for insulting me as a person and there >>>> response >>>> >>>> was one of shock. The representative said in many words that he/she >>>> wanted me to be grateful for the apartment and that they were "willing >>>> to >>>> rent to a blind person" Good luck, I hope all goes well for you, and >>>> let >>>> me know what you come up with. You may want to wait on waiting lists >>>> for >>>> apartments through HUD or other programs and postpone your move to NYC >>>> for >>>> >>>> a good number of years. >>>> >>>> >>>> William O'Donnell, distributor >>>> Organo Gold Enterprises, INC. >>>> www.willsholistics.organogold.com >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>> On Apr 16, 2012, at 1:34 PM, "keri" wrote: >>>> >>>>> greetings, >>>>> >>>>> My bf and I are about to move into an apartment in the New York City >>>>> area.... We both live on SSI for the time being... We are in need of >>>>> apartment recommendations that we can aford... We are both college >>>>> students. We prefer Statin Island but are open to suggestions in the >>>>> city >>>>> >>>>> area. >>>>> thanks, >>>>> keri >>>>> >>>>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I >>>>> want >>>>> to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes >>>>> will >>>>> speak my heart." >>>>> --Robert Sexton >>>>> >>>>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >>>>> there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart >>>>> somewhere to receive it." >>>>> --Ivan Panin >>>>> >>>>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & >>>>> put >>>>> >>>>> it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brian.hatgelakas%40verizon.net >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com Tue Apr 17 15:36:36 2012 From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:36:36 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments References: <335C74F1BC8141FC92C2DF1A3816A9F3@klhurstl1> Message-ID: <009f01cd1caf$e0d1c1f0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Good morning everyone, Not always true. We've lived in several apartment complexes in Austin and San Antonio and were welcomed with open arms. Both of us are blind. This doesn't mean to say that housing discrimination doesn't happen it does. This is why it's helpful to know your rights should that happen. Be assured that many blind individuals and couples live on their own and have not experienced discrimination. If NYC doesn't work out couldn't he move to Morgantown? AS for living in NYC we feel the way Charlie Pride does about returning to his childhood home town when he says "It's nice to talk about it, maybe even visit, but I wonder could I live there any more." That's the way I feel about moving back to Massachusetts where I grew up. Here's hoping you can get things worked out. Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wmodnl" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 7:30 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments Good morning. First, are you on any of the federal housing programs like section 8? On your limited income, that is the only way you both will be able to obtain an apartment on your own. The other option would be to look for roommates to share a place. Good luck with that, when they see you are blind they are going to run! run! run! or never show an effort to share the place with you. Forget the fact that there are two of you. I apologize in advance for sounding cynical; however, I want to be truthful and not sugar cote the truth. Landlords in NYC as well as the rest of the USA will not want a blind person, let alone 2 b/c of liability issues, etc. Have a strong presentation, be ready for much rejection. Also be ready to be offered many many scams. Have someone sighted go with you to make shore that what you are being offered is really the offer. I remember someone being open to me and showing no issue to my blindness. When we saw the apartment, everything seemed great. However, the sighted person told me later to not take it since wholes were up high in the walls, mouse droppings were in the rugs, tiles in the bathroom and hallway were missing with exposed pipes and wires. I called the real-estate office later thanking them for insulting me as a person and there response was one of shock. The representative said in many words that he/she wanted me to be grateful for the apartment and that they were "willing to rent to a blind person" Good luck, I hope all goes well for you, and let me know what you come up with. You may want to wait on waiting lists for apartments through HUD or other programs and postpone your move to NYC for a good number of years. William O'Donnell, distributor Organo Gold Enterprises, INC. www.willsholistics.organogold.com Sent from my iPad On Apr 16, 2012, at 1:34 PM, "keri" wrote: > greetings, > > My bf and I are about to move into an apartment in the New York City > area.... We both live on SSI for the time being... We are in need of > apartment recommendations that we can aford... We are both college > students. We prefer Statin Island but are open to suggestions in the city > area. > thanks, > keri > > "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want > to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will > speak my heart." > --Robert Sexton > > "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth > there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart > somewhere to receive it." > --Ivan Panin > > Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put > it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Apr 17 15:42:09 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:42:09 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments In-Reply-To: <009f01cd1caf$e0d1c1f0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> References: <335C74F1BC8141FC92C2DF1A3816A9F3@klhurstl1> <009f01cd1caf$e0d1c1f0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: Great advice! Wow! Good to know, I'm not the only Charlie Pride fan, on here! Blessings, Joshua On 4/17/12, Peter Donahue wrote: > Good morning everyone, > > Not always true. We've lived in several apartment complexes in Austin and > San Antonio and were welcomed with open arms. Both of us are blind. This > doesn't mean to say that housing discrimination doesn't happen it does. This > is why it's helpful to know your rights should that happen. Be assured that > many blind individuals and couples live on their own and have not > experienced discrimination. If NYC doesn't work out couldn't he move to > Morgantown? > > AS for living in NYC we feel the way Charlie Pride does about returning > to his childhood home town when he says "It's nice to talk about it, maybe > even visit, but I wonder could I live there any more." That's the way I feel > about moving back to Massachusetts where I grew up. Here's hoping you can > get things worked out. > > Peter Donahue > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wmodnl" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 7:30 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments > > > Good morning. First, are you on any of the federal housing programs like > section 8? On your limited income, that is the only way you both will be > able to obtain an apartment on your own. The other option would be to look > for roommates to share a place. Good luck with that, when they see you are > blind they are going to run! run! run! or never show an effort to share the > place with you. Forget the fact that there are two of you. > I apologize in advance for sounding cynical; however, I want to be truthful > and not sugar cote the truth. Landlords in NYC as well as the rest of the > USA will not want a blind person, let alone 2 b/c of liability issues, etc. > Have a strong presentation, be ready for much rejection. Also be ready to > be offered many many scams. Have someone sighted go with you to make shore > that what you are being offered is really the offer. > I remember someone being open to me and showing no issue to my blindness. > When we saw the apartment, everything seemed great. However, the sighted > person told me later to not take it since wholes were up high in the walls, > mouse droppings were in the rugs, tiles in the bathroom and hallway were > missing with exposed pipes and wires. I called the real-estate office later > thanking them for insulting me as a person and there response was one of > shock. The representative said in many words that he/she wanted me to be > grateful for the apartment and that they were "willing to rent to a blind > person" Good luck, I hope all goes well for you, and let me know what you > come up with. You may want to wait on waiting lists for apartments through > HUD or other programs and postpone your move to NYC for a good number of > years. > > > William O'Donnell, distributor > Organo Gold Enterprises, INC. > www.willsholistics.organogold.com > Sent from my iPad > > On Apr 16, 2012, at 1:34 PM, "keri" wrote: > >> greetings, >> >> My bf and I are about to move into an apartment in the New York City >> area.... We both live on SSI for the time being... We are in need of >> apartment recommendations that we can aford... We are both college >> students. We prefer Statin Island but are open to suggestions in the city >> area. >> thanks, >> keri >> >> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want >> to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will >> speak my heart." >> --Robert Sexton >> >> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >> there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart >> somewhere to receive it." >> --Ivan Panin >> >> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put >> it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From macymcclain at yahoo.com Tue Apr 17 17:32:00 2012 From: macymcclain at yahoo.com (Macy McClain) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:32:00 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] National Convention Roommate possibility Message-ID: <800E67E7-F179-4EF2-97FB-0C3DE2CA017C@yahoo.com> Good afternoon everyone, I am looking for potential roommates for national convention. I would be flying in on the 29th of June and returning the 6th of July. Is anyone willing to room with me so we can split the hotel costs more evenly? Thanks, I hope to hear from you all soon! Sincerely, Macy McClain, Ohio Sent from my iPhone From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Apr 17 17:36:56 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 12:36:56 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] National Convention Roommate possibility In-Reply-To: <800E67E7-F179-4EF2-97FB-0C3DE2CA017C@yahoo.com> References: <800E67E7-F179-4EF2-97FB-0C3DE2CA017C@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi, Macy! Welcome to the list! I hope someone will let you room with them. Blessings, Joshua On 4/17/12, Macy McClain wrote: > Good afternoon everyone, > I am looking for potential roommates for national convention. I would be > flying in on the 29th of June and returning the 6th of July. Is anyone > willing to room with me so we can split the hotel costs more evenly? > Thanks, I hope to hear from you all soon! > Sincerely, > Macy McClain, Ohio > > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From mistydbradley at gmail.com Tue Apr 17 17:42:03 2012 From: mistydbradley at gmail.com (Misty Dawn Bradley) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:42:03 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments References: <335C74F1BC8141FC92C2DF1A3816A9F3@klhurstl1> Message-ID: <6D8DA6B1E2FD47C4AB0EE96B0F28ED40@acerd37f251f21> Hi, Another option is if you know anyone in New York who would be willing to cosign for you guys to get an apartment. This can be hard to find sometimes, but if the person knows you well enough and knows that you are responsible and pay rent and bills on time and regularly, they may be willing to cosign for you. That is what I ended up doing, because I had a long wait on the HUD and Section 8 lists and needed an apartment. I also had a sighted person check the new apartment out with me to make sure there was nothing wrong with it. As for me, I haven't had much rejection because of being blind, but most apartments simply don't accept anyone that makes less than three times the rent or more unless they have a cosigner to back them up. I've lived in apartments in Texas and North Carolina, so it may be different than living in New York, but this is just my experience with apartment living. I've also lived with sighted roommates before. HTH, Misty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wmodnl" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 8:30 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments > Good morning. First, are you on any of the federal housing programs like > section 8? On your limited income, that is the only way you both will be > able to obtain an apartment on your own. The other option would be to > look for roommates to share a place. Good luck with that, when they see > you are blind they are going to run! run! run! or never show an effort to > share the place with you. Forget the fact that there are two of you. > I apologize in advance for sounding cynical; however, I want to be > truthful and not sugar cote the truth. Landlords in NYC as well as the > rest of the USA will not want a blind person, let alone 2 b/c of liability > issues, etc. > Have a strong presentation, be ready for much rejection. Also be ready to > be offered many many scams. Have someone sighted go with you to make > shore that what you are being offered is really the offer. > I remember someone being open to me and showing no issue to my blindness. > When we saw the apartment, everything seemed great. However, the sighted > person told me later to not take it since wholes were up high in the > walls, mouse droppings were in the rugs, tiles in the bathroom and hallway > were missing with exposed pipes and wires. I called the real-estate > office later thanking them for insulting me as a person and there response > was one of shock. The representative said in many words that he/she > wanted me to be grateful for the apartment and that they were "willing to > rent to a blind person" Good luck, I hope all goes well for you, and let > me know what you come up with. You may want to wait on waiting lists for > apartments through HUD or other programs and postpone your move to NYC for > a good number of years. > > > William O'Donnell, distributor > Organo Gold Enterprises, INC. > www.willsholistics.organogold.com > Sent from my iPad > > On Apr 16, 2012, at 1:34 PM, "keri" wrote: > >> greetings, >> >> My bf and I are about to move into an apartment in the New York City >> area.... We both live on SSI for the time being... We are in need of >> apartment recommendations that we can aford... We are both college >> students. We prefer Statin Island but are open to suggestions in the city >> area. >> thanks, >> keri >> >> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want >> to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will >> speak my heart." >> --Robert Sexton >> >> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >> there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart >> somewhere to receive it." >> --Ivan Panin >> >> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put >> it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com From mistydbradley at gmail.com Tue Apr 17 17:47:05 2012 From: mistydbradley at gmail.com (Misty Dawn Bradley) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:47:05 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments References: <335C74F1BC8141FC92C2DF1A3816A9F3@klhurstl1><32F94B91FB1A4169B471DEA0018E6A37@klhurstl1> <8E320524BA8D47BFB936291E524CB137@klhurstl1> Message-ID: <286FDD91D2AB42BFADE8DBD3C9F50A43@acerd37f251f21> Hi Keri, You may also see if there are student apartments that are specifically for college students. Some of these may even include utilities in the rent. Misty ----- Original Message ----- From: "keri" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments > well when i can actually get to school.... forensic psychology. > keri > > "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want > to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will > speak my heart." > --Robert Sexton > > "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth > there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart > somewhere to receive it." > --Ivan Panin > > Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put > it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:08 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments > > >>I wish you all the best. >> So, Keri, what's your major? >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> On 4/17/12, keri wrote: >>> i can't postpone moving to NYC. I have to go to college. >>> As for section 8 I'll get there eventually but unlike others I know and >>> have >>> done with out it. It just takes hardwork in dedication, but I don't have >>> years to wait for the government to get up and help me. >>> keri >>> >>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want >>> to >>> say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will >>> speak >>> my heart." >>> --Robert Sexton >>> >>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >>> there >>> is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart >>> somewhere to >>> receive it." >>> --Ivan Panin >>> >>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & >>> put it >>> back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Wmodnl" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 8:30 AM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>> >>> >>>> Good morning. First, are you on any of the federal housing programs >>>> like >>>> section 8? On your limited income, that is the only way you both will >>>> be >>>> able to obtain an apartment on your own. The other option would be to >>>> look for roommates to share a place. Good luck with that, when they >>>> see >>>> you are blind they are going to run! run! run! or never show an effort >>>> to >>>> share the place with you. Forget the fact that there are two of you. >>>> I apologize in advance for sounding cynical; however, I want to be >>>> truthful and not sugar cote the truth. Landlords in NYC as well as the >>>> rest of the USA will not want a blind person, let alone 2 b/c of >>>> liability >>>> >>>> issues, etc. >>>> Have a strong presentation, be ready for much rejection. Also be ready >>>> to >>>> >>>> be offered many many scams. Have someone sighted go with you to make >>>> shore that what you are being offered is really the offer. >>>> I remember someone being open to me and showing no issue to my >>>> blindness. >>>> When we saw the apartment, everything seemed great. However, the >>>> sighted >>>> person told me later to not take it since wholes were up high in the >>>> walls, mouse droppings were in the rugs, tiles in the bathroom and >>>> hallway >>>> >>>> were missing with exposed pipes and wires. I called the real-estate >>>> office later thanking them for insulting me as a person and there >>>> response >>>> >>>> was one of shock. The representative said in many words that he/she >>>> wanted me to be grateful for the apartment and that they were "willing >>>> to >>>> rent to a blind person" Good luck, I hope all goes well for you, and >>>> let >>>> me know what you come up with. You may want to wait on waiting lists >>>> for >>>> apartments through HUD or other programs and postpone your move to NYC >>>> for >>>> >>>> a good number of years. >>>> >>>> >>>> William O'Donnell, distributor >>>> Organo Gold Enterprises, INC. >>>> www.willsholistics.organogold.com >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>> On Apr 16, 2012, at 1:34 PM, "keri" >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> greetings, >>>>> >>>>> My bf and I are about to move into an apartment in the New York City >>>>> area.... We both live on SSI for the time being... We are in need of >>>>> apartment recommendations that we can aford... We are both college >>>>> students. We prefer Statin Island but are open to suggestions in the >>>>> city >>>>> >>>>> area. >>>>> thanks, >>>>> keri >>>>> >>>>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I >>>>> want >>>>> to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes >>>>> will >>>>> speak my heart." >>>>> --Robert Sexton >>>>> >>>>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >>>>> there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart >>>>> somewhere to receive it." >>>>> --Ivan Panin >>>>> >>>>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & >>>>> put >>>>> >>>>> it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wvucountrygirl729%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wvucountrygirl729%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Apr 17 17:51:13 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 12:51:13 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments In-Reply-To: <286FDD91D2AB42BFADE8DBD3C9F50A43@acerd37f251f21> References: <335C74F1BC8141FC92C2DF1A3816A9F3@klhurstl1> <32F94B91FB1A4169B471DEA0018E6A37@klhurstl1> <8E320524BA8D47BFB936291E524CB137@klhurstl1> <286FDD91D2AB42BFADE8DBD3C9F50A43@acerd37f251f21> Message-ID: Also, what about living on campus? Is the boyfriend going to school, too? Thanks, Joshua On 4/17/12, Misty Dawn Bradley wrote: > Hi Keri, > You may also see if there are student apartments that are specifically for > college students. Some of these may even include utilities in the rent. > Misty > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "keri" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:13 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments > > >> well when i can actually get to school.... forensic psychology. >> keri >> >> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want >> to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will >> speak my heart." >> --Robert Sexton >> >> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >> there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart >> somewhere to receive it." >> --Ivan Panin >> >> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put >> it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joshua Lester" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:08 AM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >> >> >>>I wish you all the best. >>> So, Keri, what's your major? >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> On 4/17/12, keri wrote: >>>> i can't postpone moving to NYC. I have to go to college. >>>> As for section 8 I'll get there eventually but unlike others I know and >>>> have >>>> done with out it. It just takes hardwork in dedication, but I don't have >>>> years to wait for the government to get up and help me. >>>> keri >>>> >>>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want >>>> >>>> to >>>> say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will >>>> speak >>>> my heart." >>>> --Robert Sexton >>>> >>>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >>>> there >>>> is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart >>>> somewhere to >>>> receive it." >>>> --Ivan Panin >>>> >>>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & >>>> put it >>>> back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Wmodnl" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 8:30 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>>> >>>> >>>>> Good morning. First, are you on any of the federal housing programs >>>>> like >>>>> section 8? On your limited income, that is the only way you both will >>>>> be >>>>> able to obtain an apartment on your own. The other option would be to >>>>> look for roommates to share a place. Good luck with that, when they >>>>> see >>>>> you are blind they are going to run! run! run! or never show an effort >>>>> to >>>>> share the place with you. Forget the fact that there are two of you. >>>>> I apologize in advance for sounding cynical; however, I want to be >>>>> truthful and not sugar cote the truth. Landlords in NYC as well as the >>>>> rest of the USA will not want a blind person, let alone 2 b/c of >>>>> liability >>>>> >>>>> issues, etc. >>>>> Have a strong presentation, be ready for much rejection. Also be ready >>>>> >>>>> to >>>>> >>>>> be offered many many scams. Have someone sighted go with you to make >>>>> shore that what you are being offered is really the offer. >>>>> I remember someone being open to me and showing no issue to my >>>>> blindness. >>>>> When we saw the apartment, everything seemed great. However, the >>>>> sighted >>>>> person told me later to not take it since wholes were up high in the >>>>> walls, mouse droppings were in the rugs, tiles in the bathroom and >>>>> hallway >>>>> >>>>> were missing with exposed pipes and wires. I called the real-estate >>>>> office later thanking them for insulting me as a person and there >>>>> response >>>>> >>>>> was one of shock. The representative said in many words that he/she >>>>> wanted me to be grateful for the apartment and that they were "willing >>>>> to >>>>> rent to a blind person" Good luck, I hope all goes well for you, and >>>>> let >>>>> me know what you come up with. You may want to wait on waiting lists >>>>> for >>>>> apartments through HUD or other programs and postpone your move to NYC >>>>> for >>>>> >>>>> a good number of years. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> William O'Donnell, distributor >>>>> Organo Gold Enterprises, INC. >>>>> www.willsholistics.organogold.com >>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 16, 2012, at 1:34 PM, "keri" >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> greetings, >>>>>> >>>>>> My bf and I are about to move into an apartment in the New York City >>>>>> area.... We both live on SSI for the time being... We are in need of >>>>>> apartment recommendations that we can aford... We are both college >>>>>> students. We prefer Statin Island but are open to suggestions in the >>>>>> city >>>>>> >>>>>> area. >>>>>> thanks, >>>>>> keri >>>>>> >>>>>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I >>>>>> want >>>>>> to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes >>>>>> will >>>>>> speak my heart." >>>>>> --Robert Sexton >>>>>> >>>>>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >>>>>> there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart >>>>>> somewhere to receive it." >>>>>> --Ivan Panin >>>>>> >>>>>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & >>>>>> put >>>>>> >>>>>> it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wvucountrygirl729%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wvucountrygirl729%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From wvucountrygirl729 at gmail.com Tue Apr 17 18:10:11 2012 From: wvucountrygirl729 at gmail.com (keri) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 14:10:11 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments References: <335C74F1BC8141FC92C2DF1A3816A9F3@klhurstl1><32F94B91FB1A4169B471DEA0018E6A37@klhurstl1><8E320524BA8D47BFB936291E524CB137@klhurstl1><286FDD91D2AB42BFADE8DBD3C9F50A43@acerd37f251f21> Message-ID: my school has no dorms. living on campus isn't an option. keri "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will speak my heart." --Robert Sexton "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it." --Ivan Panin Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" To: "Misty Dawn Bradley" ; "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:51 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments > Also, what about living on campus? > Is the boyfriend going to school, too? > Thanks, Joshua > > On 4/17/12, Misty Dawn Bradley wrote: >> Hi Keri, >> You may also see if there are student apartments that are specifically >> for >> college students. Some of these may even include utilities in the rent. >> Misty >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "keri" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:13 AM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >> >> >>> well when i can actually get to school.... forensic psychology. >>> keri >>> >>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want >>> to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will >>> speak my heart." >>> --Robert Sexton >>> >>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >>> there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart >>> somewhere to receive it." >>> --Ivan Panin >>> >>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & >>> put >>> it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Joshua Lester" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:08 AM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>> >>> >>>>I wish you all the best. >>>> So, Keri, what's your major? >>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>> >>>> On 4/17/12, keri wrote: >>>>> i can't postpone moving to NYC. I have to go to college. >>>>> As for section 8 I'll get there eventually but unlike others I know >>>>> and >>>>> have >>>>> done with out it. It just takes hardwork in dedication, but I don't >>>>> have >>>>> years to wait for the government to get up and help me. >>>>> keri >>>>> >>>>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I >>>>> want >>>>> >>>>> to >>>>> say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will >>>>> speak >>>>> my heart." >>>>> --Robert Sexton >>>>> >>>>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >>>>> there >>>>> is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart >>>>> somewhere to >>>>> receive it." >>>>> --Ivan Panin >>>>> >>>>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & >>>>> put it >>>>> back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Wmodnl" >>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 8:30 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Good morning. First, are you on any of the federal housing programs >>>>>> like >>>>>> section 8? On your limited income, that is the only way you both >>>>>> will >>>>>> be >>>>>> able to obtain an apartment on your own. The other option would be >>>>>> to >>>>>> look for roommates to share a place. Good luck with that, when they >>>>>> see >>>>>> you are blind they are going to run! run! run! or never show an >>>>>> effort >>>>>> to >>>>>> share the place with you. Forget the fact that there are two of you. >>>>>> I apologize in advance for sounding cynical; however, I want to be >>>>>> truthful and not sugar cote the truth. Landlords in NYC as well as >>>>>> the >>>>>> rest of the USA will not want a blind person, let alone 2 b/c of >>>>>> liability >>>>>> >>>>>> issues, etc. >>>>>> Have a strong presentation, be ready for much rejection. Also be >>>>>> ready >>>>>> >>>>>> to >>>>>> >>>>>> be offered many many scams. Have someone sighted go with you to make >>>>>> shore that what you are being offered is really the offer. >>>>>> I remember someone being open to me and showing no issue to my >>>>>> blindness. >>>>>> When we saw the apartment, everything seemed great. However, the >>>>>> sighted >>>>>> person told me later to not take it since wholes were up high in the >>>>>> walls, mouse droppings were in the rugs, tiles in the bathroom and >>>>>> hallway >>>>>> >>>>>> were missing with exposed pipes and wires. I called the real-estate >>>>>> office later thanking them for insulting me as a person and there >>>>>> response >>>>>> >>>>>> was one of shock. The representative said in many words that he/she >>>>>> wanted me to be grateful for the apartment and that they were >>>>>> "willing >>>>>> to >>>>>> rent to a blind person" Good luck, I hope all goes well for you, and >>>>>> let >>>>>> me know what you come up with. You may want to wait on waiting lists >>>>>> for >>>>>> apartments through HUD or other programs and postpone your move to >>>>>> NYC >>>>>> for >>>>>> >>>>>> a good number of years. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> William O'Donnell, distributor >>>>>> Organo Gold Enterprises, INC. >>>>>> www.willsholistics.organogold.com >>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 16, 2012, at 1:34 PM, "keri" >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> greetings, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My bf and I are about to move into an apartment in the New York City >>>>>>> area.... We both live on SSI for the time being... We are in need of >>>>>>> apartment recommendations that we can aford... We are both college >>>>>>> students. We prefer Statin Island but are open to suggestions in the >>>>>>> city >>>>>>> >>>>>>> area. >>>>>>> thanks, >>>>>>> keri >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I >>>>>>> want >>>>>>> to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes >>>>>>> will >>>>>>> speak my heart." >>>>>>> --Robert Sexton >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every >>>>>>> truth >>>>>>> there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a >>>>>>> heart >>>>>>> somewhere to receive it." >>>>>>> --Ivan Panin >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart >>>>>>> & >>>>>>> put >>>>>>> >>>>>>> it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wvucountrygirl729%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wvucountrygirl729%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wvucountrygirl729%40gmail.com From treyman19 at gmail.com Tue Apr 17 18:14:11 2012 From: treyman19 at gmail.com (Trey Bradley) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 14:14:11 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Duxbury Question Message-ID: Hi I am wondering if there is anyone interested in Duxbury or Zoom X if you want to know about them please email or call me. treyman19 at gmail.com 219-789-7073 -- Roosevelt Bradley From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Apr 17 18:19:14 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:19:14 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments In-Reply-To: References: <335C74F1BC8141FC92C2DF1A3816A9F3@klhurstl1> <32F94B91FB1A4169B471DEA0018E6A37@klhurstl1> <8E320524BA8D47BFB936291E524CB137@klhurstl1> <286FDD91D2AB42BFADE8DBD3C9F50A43@acerd37f251f21> Message-ID: Wow! Oral Roberts University has a good Psychology program, in Tulsa, and they have great dorms! Blessings, Joshua On 4/17/12, keri wrote: > my school has no dorms. living on campus isn't an option. > keri > > "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want to > say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will speak > my heart." > --Robert Sexton > > "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there > is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to > receive it." > --Ivan Panin > > Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put it > back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" > To: "Misty Dawn Bradley" ; "National Association of > Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:51 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments > > >> Also, what about living on campus? >> Is the boyfriend going to school, too? >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> On 4/17/12, Misty Dawn Bradley wrote: >>> Hi Keri, >>> You may also see if there are student apartments that are specifically >>> for >>> college students. Some of these may even include utilities in the rent. >>> Misty >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "keri" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:13 AM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>> >>> >>>> well when i can actually get to school.... forensic psychology. >>>> keri >>>> >>>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want >>>> to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will >>>> speak my heart." >>>> --Robert Sexton >>>> >>>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >>>> there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart >>>> somewhere to receive it." >>>> --Ivan Panin >>>> >>>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & >>>> put >>>> it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Joshua Lester" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:08 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>>> >>>> >>>>>I wish you all the best. >>>>> So, Keri, what's your major? >>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>> >>>>> On 4/17/12, keri wrote: >>>>>> i can't postpone moving to NYC. I have to go to college. >>>>>> As for section 8 I'll get there eventually but unlike others I know >>>>>> and >>>>>> have >>>>>> done with out it. It just takes hardwork in dedication, but I don't >>>>>> have >>>>>> years to wait for the government to get up and help me. >>>>>> keri >>>>>> >>>>>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I >>>>>> want >>>>>> >>>>>> to >>>>>> say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will >>>>>> speak >>>>>> my heart." >>>>>> --Robert Sexton >>>>>> >>>>>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >>>>>> there >>>>>> is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart >>>>>> somewhere to >>>>>> receive it." >>>>>> --Ivan Panin >>>>>> >>>>>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & >>>>>> put it >>>>>> back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Wmodnl" >>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 8:30 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Good morning. First, are you on any of the federal housing programs >>>>>>> like >>>>>>> section 8? On your limited income, that is the only way you both >>>>>>> will >>>>>>> be >>>>>>> able to obtain an apartment on your own. The other option would be >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> look for roommates to share a place. Good luck with that, when they >>>>>>> see >>>>>>> you are blind they are going to run! run! run! or never show an >>>>>>> effort >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> share the place with you. Forget the fact that there are two of you. >>>>>>> I apologize in advance for sounding cynical; however, I want to be >>>>>>> truthful and not sugar cote the truth. Landlords in NYC as well as >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> rest of the USA will not want a blind person, let alone 2 b/c of >>>>>>> liability >>>>>>> >>>>>>> issues, etc. >>>>>>> Have a strong presentation, be ready for much rejection. Also be >>>>>>> ready >>>>>>> >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> >>>>>>> be offered many many scams. Have someone sighted go with you to make >>>>>>> shore that what you are being offered is really the offer. >>>>>>> I remember someone being open to me and showing no issue to my >>>>>>> blindness. >>>>>>> When we saw the apartment, everything seemed great. However, the >>>>>>> sighted >>>>>>> person told me later to not take it since wholes were up high in the >>>>>>> walls, mouse droppings were in the rugs, tiles in the bathroom and >>>>>>> hallway >>>>>>> >>>>>>> were missing with exposed pipes and wires. I called the real-estate >>>>>>> office later thanking them for insulting me as a person and there >>>>>>> response >>>>>>> >>>>>>> was one of shock. The representative said in many words that he/she >>>>>>> wanted me to be grateful for the apartment and that they were >>>>>>> "willing >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> rent to a blind person" Good luck, I hope all goes well for you, and >>>>>>> let >>>>>>> me know what you come up with. You may want to wait on waiting lists >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> apartments through HUD or other programs and postpone your move to >>>>>>> NYC >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> >>>>>>> a good number of years. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> William O'Donnell, distributor >>>>>>> Organo Gold Enterprises, INC. >>>>>>> www.willsholistics.organogold.com >>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 16, 2012, at 1:34 PM, "keri" >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> greetings, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My bf and I are about to move into an apartment in the New York City >>>>>>>> area.... We both live on SSI for the time being... We are in need of >>>>>>>> apartment recommendations that we can aford... We are both college >>>>>>>> students. We prefer Statin Island but are open to suggestions in the >>>>>>>> city >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> area. >>>>>>>> thanks, >>>>>>>> keri >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I >>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>> to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes >>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>> speak my heart." >>>>>>>> --Robert Sexton >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every >>>>>>>> truth >>>>>>>> there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a >>>>>>>> heart >>>>>>>> somewhere to receive it." >>>>>>>> --Ivan Panin >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart >>>>>>>> & >>>>>>>> put >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wvucountrygirl729%40gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wvucountrygirl729%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wvucountrygirl729%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Apr 17 18:20:29 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:20:29 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Duxbury Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey, Trey! I'm E-mailing you! Blessings, Joshua On 4/17/12, Trey Bradley wrote: > Hi I am wondering if there is anyone interested in Duxbury or Zoom X > if you want to know about them please email or call me. > > treyman19 at gmail.com > > 219-789-7073 > > -- > Roosevelt Bradley > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From wvucountrygirl729 at gmail.com Tue Apr 17 19:52:37 2012 From: wvucountrygirl729 at gmail.com (keri) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 15:52:37 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments References: <335C74F1BC8141FC92C2DF1A3816A9F3@klhurstl1><32F94B91FB1A4169B471DEA0018E6A37@klhurstl1><8E320524BA8D47BFB936291E524CB137@klhurstl1><286FDD91D2AB42BFADE8DBD3C9F50A43@acerd37f251f21> Message-ID: <2FBFA63F3D314F12BACDE9FAF9AA47B1@klhurstl1> this is a college in the middle of the city no room for a dorm.... And not to mention i can't just go to any college. keri "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will speak my heart." --Robert Sexton "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it." --Ivan Panin Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments > Wow! > Oral Roberts University has a good Psychology program, in Tulsa, and > they have great dorms! > Blessings, Joshua > > On 4/17/12, keri wrote: >> my school has no dorms. living on campus isn't an option. >> keri >> >> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want >> to >> say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will >> speak >> my heart." >> --Robert Sexton >> >> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >> there >> is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere >> to >> receive it." >> --Ivan Panin >> >> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put >> it >> back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joshua Lester" >> To: "Misty Dawn Bradley" ; "National Association >> of >> Blind Students mailing list" >> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:51 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >> >> >>> Also, what about living on campus? >>> Is the boyfriend going to school, too? >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> On 4/17/12, Misty Dawn Bradley wrote: >>>> Hi Keri, >>>> You may also see if there are student apartments that are specifically >>>> for >>>> college students. Some of these may even include utilities in the rent. >>>> Misty >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "keri" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:13 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>>> >>>> >>>>> well when i can actually get to school.... forensic psychology. >>>>> keri >>>>> >>>>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I >>>>> want >>>>> to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes >>>>> will >>>>> speak my heart." >>>>> --Robert Sexton >>>>> >>>>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >>>>> there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart >>>>> somewhere to receive it." >>>>> --Ivan Panin >>>>> >>>>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & >>>>> put >>>>> it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" >>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:08 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>I wish you all the best. >>>>>> So, Keri, what's your major? >>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>> >>>>>> On 4/17/12, keri wrote: >>>>>>> i can't postpone moving to NYC. I have to go to college. >>>>>>> As for section 8 I'll get there eventually but unlike others I know >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> done with out it. It just takes hardwork in dedication, but I don't >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> years to wait for the government to get up and help me. >>>>>>> keri >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I >>>>>>> want >>>>>>> >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes >>>>>>> will >>>>>>> speak >>>>>>> my heart." >>>>>>> --Robert Sexton >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every >>>>>>> truth >>>>>>> there >>>>>>> is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart >>>>>>> somewhere to >>>>>>> receive it." >>>>>>> --Ivan Panin >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart >>>>>>> & >>>>>>> put it >>>>>>> back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Wmodnl" >>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 8:30 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Good morning. First, are you on any of the federal housing >>>>>>>> programs >>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>> section 8? On your limited income, that is the only way you both >>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>> able to obtain an apartment on your own. The other option would be >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> look for roommates to share a place. Good luck with that, when >>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>> you are blind they are going to run! run! run! or never show an >>>>>>>> effort >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> share the place with you. Forget the fact that there are two of >>>>>>>> you. >>>>>>>> I apologize in advance for sounding cynical; however, I want to be >>>>>>>> truthful and not sugar cote the truth. Landlords in NYC as well as >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> rest of the USA will not want a blind person, let alone 2 b/c of >>>>>>>> liability >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> issues, etc. >>>>>>>> Have a strong presentation, be ready for much rejection. Also be >>>>>>>> ready >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> be offered many many scams. Have someone sighted go with you to >>>>>>>> make >>>>>>>> shore that what you are being offered is really the offer. >>>>>>>> I remember someone being open to me and showing no issue to my >>>>>>>> blindness. >>>>>>>> When we saw the apartment, everything seemed great. However, the >>>>>>>> sighted >>>>>>>> person told me later to not take it since wholes were up high in >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> walls, mouse droppings were in the rugs, tiles in the bathroom and >>>>>>>> hallway >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> were missing with exposed pipes and wires. I called the >>>>>>>> real-estate >>>>>>>> office later thanking them for insulting me as a person and there >>>>>>>> response >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> was one of shock. The representative said in many words that >>>>>>>> he/she >>>>>>>> wanted me to be grateful for the apartment and that they were >>>>>>>> "willing >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> rent to a blind person" Good luck, I hope all goes well for you, >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> let >>>>>>>> me know what you come up with. You may want to wait on waiting >>>>>>>> lists >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> apartments through HUD or other programs and postpone your move to >>>>>>>> NYC >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> a good number of years. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> William O'Donnell, distributor >>>>>>>> Organo Gold Enterprises, INC. >>>>>>>> www.willsholistics.organogold.com >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Apr 16, 2012, at 1:34 PM, "keri" >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> greetings, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My bf and I are about to move into an apartment in the New York >>>>>>>>> City >>>>>>>>> area.... We both live on SSI for the time being... We are in need >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> apartment recommendations that we can aford... We are both college >>>>>>>>> students. We prefer Statin Island but are open to suggestions in >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> city >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> area. >>>>>>>>> thanks, >>>>>>>>> keri >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things >>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>>> to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my >>>>>>>>> eyes >>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>> speak my heart." >>>>>>>>> --Robert Sexton >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every >>>>>>>>> truth >>>>>>>>> there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a >>>>>>>>> heart >>>>>>>>> somewhere to receive it." >>>>>>>>> --Ivan Panin >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered >>>>>>>>> heart >>>>>>>>> & >>>>>>>>> put >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wvucountrygirl729%40gmail.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wvucountrygirl729%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wvucountrygirl729%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wvucountrygirl729%40gmail.com From isaiah5719 at mchsi.com Tue Apr 17 19:56:43 2012 From: isaiah5719 at mchsi.com (Loren) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 14:56:43 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille displays for iphone/computer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <008501cd1cd4$364b9560$a2e2c020$@mchsi.com> I think I would go with the focus. It is less expensive than the brailliant. Loren Wakefield -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Amanda Cape Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 7:52 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Braille displays for iphone/computer Hi fellow listers, I am looking into getting a braille display that could work with my iphone and computer. Which one do you recommend? The brailliant or the focs 40 blue? What model of the brailliant if you recommend that one? Amanda _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/isaiah5719%40mchsi.com From chelseap08 at gmail.com Tue Apr 17 20:07:23 2012 From: chelseap08 at gmail.com (Chelsea Page) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 15:07:23 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille displays for iphone/computer In-Reply-To: <008501cd1cd4$364b9560$a2e2c020$@mchsi.com> References: <008501cd1cd4$364b9560$a2e2c020$@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <2EC42A88-F15F-4FED-85EC-DC989A024C06@gmail.com> I agree that the focus is the way to go. Its what i use and i love it! Sent from my iPhone On Apr 17, 2012, at 2:56 PM, "Loren" wrote: > I think I would go with the focus. It is less expensive than the > brailliant. > > Loren Wakefield > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Amanda Cape > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 7:52 AM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Braille displays for iphone/computer > > Hi fellow listers, > I am looking into getting a braille display that could work with my iphone > and computer. Which one do you recommend? The brailliant or the focs 40 > blue? What model of the brailliant if you recommend that one? > Amanda > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/isaiah5719%40mchsi.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/chelseap08%40gmail.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Tue Apr 17 20:21:36 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 14:21:36 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments In-Reply-To: <2FBFA63F3D314F12BACDE9FAF9AA47B1@klhurstl1> References: <335C74F1BC8141FC92C2DF1A3816A9F3@klhurstl1> <32F94B91FB1A4169B471DEA0018E6A37@klhurstl1> <8E320524BA8D47BFB936291E524CB137@klhurstl1> <286FDD91D2AB42BFADE8DBD3C9F50A43@acerd37f251f21> <2FBFA63F3D314F12BACDE9FAF9AA47B1@klhurstl1> Message-ID: Hi all, William, I'm sorry to hear you've had such awful experiences with rental discrimination. Fortunately I don't think that sort of thing is too common. In my young adult life I have rented several apartments in two states (AZ and CO) and over the course of that time, lived with four different sighted roommates whom I did not know previously. None of my roommates had any problem at all with my blindness, either when I moved in or later on. There was one girl I tried to live with once who did decide to share her place with someone else because she wasn't comfortable with blindness. It was sad, but in hindsight I was probably better off not getting into that living situation. I have also never had any issues with landlords or landladies turning me away because of blindness. If a rental company (i.e. apartment complex) does this it is illegal and you have every right to file a civil rights complaint against them. I did rent a basement apartment from a homeowner a couple years ago and I was worried that since it was an informal leasing arrangement, if she discriminated against me I might not have legal recourse. As it turned out, the landlady had no concerns about liability or safety, but she was a neat freak and initially questioned whether I would be able to keep up the cleanliness of the place without sight. This threw me for a loop at first, but I assured her that I knew how to clean and had passed my apartment inspections when I attended Louisiana Center for the Blind (I guess those inspections are actually good for something!) I also assured her that if the place became untidy or if any property was damaged, I would take responsibility for either fixing the issues myself or paying for new equipment, professional cleaning etc. This seemed to satisfy her and we ended up having a very good rental relationship, so much so that she offered to negotiate so my boyfriend and I could stay in the place when we decided to live together. Although it is sad that I had to jump through this extra hoop to get the place I wanted, I do think that most discrimination can be avoided if we convey confidence and willingness to take responsibility for any problems that may arise. I have had my mother co-sign leases for me when I wasn't earning the minimum income required by the lease, including once when I was living in CO and she was in AZ, so this should be an option even if your parents are out-of-state. Often the minimum income is much higher than the amount you actually need to be able to afford the place. For example, one place where I lived required me to be earning at least three times as much as rent was. I was only earning about twice as much as rent, but I'm not a big spender, so it was OK for me to be spending half my income on rent. So my mom co-signed the official documents but didn't actually help me pay the rent since I had enough income to spare. You should review the rental application and lease carefully to make sure you understand what is or is not required. I think using Craigslist is fine, so long as you go check the place out and meet the potential roommates, if any, in person first. You'll know if they're legit pretty easily-just use common sense. Best, Arielle On 4/17/12, keri wrote: > this is a college in the middle of the city no room for a dorm.... And not > to mention i can't just go to any college. > keri > > "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want to > say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will speak > my heart." > --Robert Sexton > > "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there > is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to > receive it." > --Ivan Panin > > Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put it > back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 2:19 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments > > >> Wow! >> Oral Roberts University has a good Psychology program, in Tulsa, and >> they have great dorms! >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 4/17/12, keri wrote: >>> my school has no dorms. living on campus isn't an option. >>> keri >>> >>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want >>> to >>> say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will >>> speak >>> my heart." >>> --Robert Sexton >>> >>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >>> there >>> is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere >>> >>> to >>> receive it." >>> --Ivan Panin >>> >>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put >>> >>> it >>> back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Joshua Lester" >>> To: "Misty Dawn Bradley" ; "National Association >>> >>> of >>> Blind Students mailing list" >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:51 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>> >>> >>>> Also, what about living on campus? >>>> Is the boyfriend going to school, too? >>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>> >>>> On 4/17/12, Misty Dawn Bradley wrote: >>>>> Hi Keri, >>>>> You may also see if there are student apartments that are specifically >>>>> for >>>>> college students. Some of these may even include utilities in the rent. >>>>> Misty >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "keri" >>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:13 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> well when i can actually get to school.... forensic psychology. >>>>>> keri >>>>>> >>>>>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I >>>>>> want >>>>>> to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes >>>>>> will >>>>>> speak my heart." >>>>>> --Robert Sexton >>>>>> >>>>>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >>>>>> there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart >>>>>> somewhere to receive it." >>>>>> --Ivan Panin >>>>>> >>>>>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & >>>>>> put >>>>>> it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" >>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:08 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>I wish you all the best. >>>>>>> So, Keri, what's your major? >>>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 4/17/12, keri wrote: >>>>>>>> i can't postpone moving to NYC. I have to go to college. >>>>>>>> As for section 8 I'll get there eventually but unlike others I know >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>> done with out it. It just takes hardwork in dedication, but I don't >>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>> years to wait for the government to get up and help me. >>>>>>>> keri >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I >>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes >>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>> speak >>>>>>>> my heart." >>>>>>>> --Robert Sexton >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every >>>>>>>> truth >>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>> is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart >>>>>>>> somewhere to >>>>>>>> receive it." >>>>>>>> --Ivan Panin >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart >>>>>>>> & >>>>>>>> put it >>>>>>>> back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: "Wmodnl" >>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 8:30 AM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Good morning. First, are you on any of the federal housing >>>>>>>>> programs >>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>> section 8? On your limited income, that is the only way you both >>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>> able to obtain an apartment on your own. The other option would be >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> look for roommates to share a place. Good luck with that, when >>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>> you are blind they are going to run! run! run! or never show an >>>>>>>>> effort >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> share the place with you. Forget the fact that there are two of >>>>>>>>> you. >>>>>>>>> I apologize in advance for sounding cynical; however, I want to be >>>>>>>>> truthful and not sugar cote the truth. Landlords in NYC as well as >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> rest of the USA will not want a blind person, let alone 2 b/c of >>>>>>>>> liability >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> issues, etc. >>>>>>>>> Have a strong presentation, be ready for much rejection. Also be >>>>>>>>> ready >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> be offered many many scams. Have someone sighted go with you to >>>>>>>>> make >>>>>>>>> shore that what you are being offered is really the offer. >>>>>>>>> I remember someone being open to me and showing no issue to my >>>>>>>>> blindness. >>>>>>>>> When we saw the apartment, everything seemed great. However, the >>>>>>>>> sighted >>>>>>>>> person told me later to not take it since wholes were up high in >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> walls, mouse droppings were in the rugs, tiles in the bathroom and >>>>>>>>> hallway >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> were missing with exposed pipes and wires. I called the >>>>>>>>> real-estate >>>>>>>>> office later thanking them for insulting me as a person and there >>>>>>>>> response >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> was one of shock. The representative said in many words that >>>>>>>>> he/she >>>>>>>>> wanted me to be grateful for the apartment and that they were >>>>>>>>> "willing >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> rent to a blind person" Good luck, I hope all goes well for you, >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> let >>>>>>>>> me know what you come up with. You may want to wait on waiting >>>>>>>>> lists >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> apartments through HUD or other programs and postpone your move to >>>>>>>>> NYC >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> a good number of years. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> William O'Donnell, distributor >>>>>>>>> Organo Gold Enterprises, INC. >>>>>>>>> www.willsholistics.organogold.com >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Apr 16, 2012, at 1:34 PM, "keri" >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> greetings, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> My bf and I are about to move into an apartment in the New York >>>>>>>>>> City >>>>>>>>>> area.... We both live on SSI for the time being... We are in need >>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> apartment recommendations that we can aford... We are both college >>>>>>>>>> students. We prefer Statin Island but are open to suggestions in >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> city >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> area. >>>>>>>>>> thanks, >>>>>>>>>> keri >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things >>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>>>> to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my >>>>>>>>>> eyes >>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>> speak my heart." >>>>>>>>>> --Robert Sexton >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every >>>>>>>>>> truth >>>>>>>>>> there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a >>>>>>>>>> heart >>>>>>>>>> somewhere to receive it." >>>>>>>>>> --Ivan Panin >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered >>>>>>>>>> heart >>>>>>>>>> & >>>>>>>>>> put >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wvucountrygirl729%40gmail.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wvucountrygirl729%40gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wvucountrygirl729%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wvucountrygirl729%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From cbuckley at pdx.edu Tue Apr 17 20:35:24 2012 From: cbuckley at pdx.edu (Chrys Buckley) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:35:24 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments In-Reply-To: <2FBFA63F3D314F12BACDE9FAF9AA47B1@klhurstl1> References: <335C74F1BC8141FC92C2DF1A3816A9F3@klhurstl1> <32F94B91FB1A4169B471DEA0018E6A37@klhurstl1> <8E320524BA8D47BFB936291E524CB137@klhurstl1> <286FDD91D2AB42BFADE8DBD3C9F50A43@acerd37f251f21> <2FBFA63F3D314F12BACDE9FAF9AA47B1@klhurstl1> Message-ID: Hi Keri, When does school start? You probably have several months to find an apartment so don't worry too much. Also, plenty of landlords and potential roommates aren't going to care that you're blind. With landlords, what they really care about is getting the rent paid on time. With roommates, if you decide to go that route (which may not be a bad idea, considering costs of NYC living) it can be a little awkward at first but plenty of blind students I know (myself included) have shared apartments with roommates and had great experiences. Of course, there are always the bad apples and if you come across that, just keep looking. Another idea might be to check with the school. Many schools have resources on off-campus housing, boards where people post about apartments or sublets or other rental options. If your school doesn't have dorms, there's an even greater chance that they do have some off-campus housing resources. Another place to check is http://www.places4students.com/ - there you will find postings specifically geared towards students and that might feel more trustworthy than craigslist. But at the same time, don't discount craigslist - it's definitely an option to investigate. Also, I don't know if NYC has this but I know here in Portland we have something called Housing Connections which has listings of low-cost apartments. A lot of them accept section 8 but don't require it. Most of them simply require proof that your income is below a certain amount. So maybe look into whether NYC has something like that. Also, if you are on any NYC area mailing lists or groups, NFB or otherwise, or part of a student group for your school like a facebook page for new students or something, these might be places to post that you're looking for housing and people might be able to give suggestions of good buildings or companies or warn you about the ones that aren't good. The more you put the question out there and let people know what you're looking for, the more likely it will be that something will come your way. Good luck! I love NYC and I hope this is the start to a great college experience there! Chrys On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 12:52 PM, keri wrote: > this is a college in the middle of the city no room for a dorm.... And not > to mention i can't just go to any college. > > keri > > "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want > to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will > speak my heart." > --Robert Sexton > > "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth > there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart > somewhere to receive it." > --Ivan Panin > > Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put > it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" < > jlester8462 at students.pccua.**edu > > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" < > nabs-l at nfbnet.org> > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 2:19 PM > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments > > > Wow! >> Oral Roberts University has a good Psychology program, in Tulsa, and >> they have great dorms! >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 4/17/12, keri wrote: >> >>> my school has no dorms. living on campus isn't an option. >>> keri >>> >>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want >>> to >>> say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will >>> speak >>> my heart." >>> --Robert Sexton >>> >>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >>> there >>> is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart >>> somewhere to >>> receive it." >>> --Ivan Panin >>> >>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & >>> put it >>> back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Joshua Lester" >>> > >>> To: "Misty Dawn Bradley" ; "National >>> Association of >>> Blind Students mailing list" >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:51 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>> >>> >>> Also, what about living on campus? >>>> Is the boyfriend going to school, too? >>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>> >>>> On 4/17/12, Misty Dawn Bradley wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Keri, >>>>> You may also see if there are student apartments that are specifically >>>>> for >>>>> college students. Some of these may even include utilities in the rent. >>>>> Misty >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "keri" >>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:13 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> well when i can actually get to school.... forensic psychology. >>>>>> keri >>>>>> >>>>>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I >>>>>> want >>>>>> to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes >>>>>> will >>>>>> speak my heart." >>>>>> --Robert Sexton >>>>>> >>>>>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >>>>>> there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart >>>>>> somewhere to receive it." >>>>>> --Ivan Panin >>>>>> >>>>>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & >>>>>> put >>>>>> it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" >>>>>> > >>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:08 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I wish you all the best. >>>>>>> So, Keri, what's your major? >>>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 4/17/12, keri wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> i can't postpone moving to NYC. I have to go to college. >>>>>>>> As for section 8 I'll get there eventually but unlike others I know >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>> done with out it. It just takes hardwork in dedication, but I don't >>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>> years to wait for the government to get up and help me. >>>>>>>> keri >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I >>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes >>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>> speak >>>>>>>> my heart." >>>>>>>> --Robert Sexton >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every >>>>>>>> truth >>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>> is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart >>>>>>>> somewhere to >>>>>>>> receive it." >>>>>>>> --Ivan Panin >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart >>>>>>>> & >>>>>>>> put it >>>>>>>> back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: "Wmodnl" >>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 8:30 AM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Good morning. First, are you on any of the federal housing >>>>>>>>> programs >>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>> section 8? On your limited income, that is the only way you both >>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>> able to obtain an apartment on your own. The other option would be >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> look for roommates to share a place. Good luck with that, when >>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>> you are blind they are going to run! run! run! or never show an >>>>>>>>> effort >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> share the place with you. Forget the fact that there are two of >>>>>>>>> you. >>>>>>>>> I apologize in advance for sounding cynical; however, I want to be >>>>>>>>> truthful and not sugar cote the truth. Landlords in NYC as well as >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> rest of the USA will not want a blind person, let alone 2 b/c of >>>>>>>>> liability >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> issues, etc. >>>>>>>>> Have a strong presentation, be ready for much rejection. Also be >>>>>>>>> ready >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> be offered many many scams. Have someone sighted go with you to >>>>>>>>> make >>>>>>>>> shore that what you are being offered is really the offer. >>>>>>>>> I remember someone being open to me and showing no issue to my >>>>>>>>> blindness. >>>>>>>>> When we saw the apartment, everything seemed great. However, the >>>>>>>>> sighted >>>>>>>>> person told me later to not take it since wholes were up high in >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> walls, mouse droppings were in the rugs, tiles in the bathroom and >>>>>>>>> hallway >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> were missing with exposed pipes and wires. I called the >>>>>>>>> real-estate >>>>>>>>> office later thanking them for insulting me as a person and there >>>>>>>>> response >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> was one of shock. The representative said in many words that >>>>>>>>> he/she >>>>>>>>> wanted me to be grateful for the apartment and that they were >>>>>>>>> "willing >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> rent to a blind person" Good luck, I hope all goes well for you, >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> let >>>>>>>>> me know what you come up with. You may want to wait on waiting >>>>>>>>> lists >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> apartments through HUD or other programs and postpone your move to >>>>>>>>> NYC >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> a good number of years. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> William O'Donnell, distributor >>>>>>>>> Organo Gold Enterprises, INC. >>>>>>>>> www.willsholistics.organogold.**com >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Apr 16, 2012, at 1:34 PM, "keri" >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> greetings, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> My bf and I are about to move into an apartment in the New York >>>>>>>>>> City >>>>>>>>>> area.... We both live on SSI for the time being... We are in need >>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> apartment recommendations that we can aford... We are both college >>>>>>>>>> students. We prefer Statin Island but are open to suggestions in >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> city >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> area. >>>>>>>>>> thanks, >>>>>>>>>> keri >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things >>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>>>> to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my >>>>>>>>>> eyes >>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>> speak my heart." >>>>>>>>>> --Robert Sexton >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every >>>>>>>>>> truth >>>>>>>>>> there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a >>>>>>>>>> heart >>>>>>>>>> somewhere to receive it." >>>>>>>>>> --Ivan Panin >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered >>>>>>>>>> heart >>>>>>>>>> & >>>>>>>>>> put >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>>>>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>>>>>>> wmodnl%40hotmail.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>>>>>> wvucountrygirl729%40gmail.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>>>>> jlester8462%40students.pccua.**edu >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>>>> wvucountrygirl729%40gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>>> mistydbradley%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>> jlester8462%40students.pccua.**edu >>>>> >>>>> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>> wvucountrygirl729%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>> jlester8462%40students.pccua.**edu >>> >>> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> wvucountrygirl729%40gmail.com >> > > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**cbuckley%40pdx.edu > -- http://chrysanthymum.blogspot.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Apr 17 21:07:41 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:07:41 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] National Convention Roommate possibility In-Reply-To: <800E67E7-F179-4EF2-97FB-0C3DE2CA017C@yahoo.com> References: <800E67E7-F179-4EF2-97FB-0C3DE2CA017C@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001f01cd1cde$2174c2b0$645e4810$@gmail.com> Hi Macy, Welcome to the list! I am going to convention with the Louisiana Center for the Blind (LCB's) STEP summer program, so I think we have to room with the other LCB students; sorry. Again, welcome to the list! Chris Nusbaum -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Macy McClain Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:32 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] National Convention Roommate possibility Good afternoon everyone, I am looking for potential roommates for national convention. I would be flying in on the 29th of June and returning the 6th of July. Is anyone willing to room with me so we can split the hotel costs more evenly? Thanks, I hope to hear from you all soon! Sincerely, Macy McClain, Ohio Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From cassonw at gmail.com Tue Apr 17 21:52:30 2012 From: cassonw at gmail.com (Bill) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 15:52:30 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments In-Reply-To: References: <335C74F1BC8141FC92C2DF1A3816A9F3@klhurstl1> <32F94B91FB1A4169B471DEA0018E6A37@klhurstl1> <8E320524BA8D47BFB936291E524CB137@klhurstl1> <286FDD91D2AB42BFADE8DBD3C9F50A43@acerd37f251f21> <2FBFA63F3D314F12BACDE9FAF9AA47B1@klhurstl1> Message-ID: Someone mentioned suing landlords who discriminate against blind tenets. The thing is with any discrimination case including employment or housing is proving that you were discriminated against. Most employers/landlords would be able to make a possibly convincing argument in court about why you were not given a lease or position and it makes it hard to prove conclusively that the reason you were denied was due to a disability. I imagine that most discrimination cases never even make it to court and a majority of those never make it to an actual verdict in favor of the prosecution. Maybe I am just being cenacle, but that is how I feel about our system. Bill On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Chrys Buckley wrote: > Hi Keri, > > When does school start? You probably have several months to find an > apartment so don't worry too much. Also, plenty of landlords and potential > roommates aren't going to care that you're blind. With landlords, what they > really care about is getting the rent paid on time. With roommates, if you > decide to go that route (which may not be a bad idea, considering costs of > NYC living) it can be a little awkward at first but plenty of blind > students I know (myself included) have shared apartments with roommates and > had great experiences. Of course, there are always the bad apples and if > you come across that, just keep looking. > > Another idea might be to check with the school. Many schools have resources > on off-campus housing, boards where people post about apartments or sublets > or other rental options. If your school doesn't have dorms, there's an even > greater chance that they do have some off-campus housing resources. Another > place to check is http://www.places4students.com/ - there you will find > postings specifically geared towards students and that might feel more > trustworthy than craigslist. > > But at the same time, don't discount craigslist - it's definitely an option > to investigate. Also, I don't know if NYC has this but I know here in > Portland we have something called Housing Connections which has listings of > low-cost apartments. A lot of them accept section 8 but don't require it. > Most of them simply require proof that your income is below a certain > amount. So maybe look into whether NYC has something like that. > > Also, if you are on any NYC area mailing lists or groups, NFB or otherwise, > or part of a student group for your school like a facebook page for new > students or something, these might be places to post that you're looking > for housing and people might be able to give suggestions of good buildings > or companies or warn you about the ones that aren't good. The more you put > the question out there and let people know what you're looking for, the > more likely it will be that something will come your way. > > Good luck! I love NYC and I hope this is the start to a great college > experience there! > > Chrys > > > On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 12:52 PM, keri wrote: > >> this is a college in the middle of the city no room for a dorm.... And not >> to mention i can't just go to any college. >> >> keri >> >> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want >> to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will >> speak my heart." >> --Robert Sexton >> >> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >> there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart >> somewhere to receive it." >> --Ivan Panin >> >> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put >> it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" < >> jlester8462 at students.pccua.**edu > >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" < >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 2:19 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >> >> >>  Wow! >>> Oral Roberts University has a good Psychology program, in Tulsa, and >>> they have great dorms! >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 4/17/12, keri wrote: >>> >>>> my school has no dorms. living on campus isn't an option. >>>> keri >>>> >>>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want >>>> to >>>> say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will >>>> speak >>>> my heart." >>>> --Robert Sexton >>>> >>>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >>>> there >>>> is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart >>>> somewhere to >>>> receive it." >>>> --Ivan Panin >>>> >>>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & >>>> put it >>>> back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Joshua Lester" >>>> > >>>> To: "Misty Dawn Bradley" ; "National >>>> Association of >>>> Blind Students mailing list" >>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:51 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>>> >>>> >>>>  Also, what about living on campus? >>>>> Is the boyfriend going to school, too? >>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>> >>>>> On 4/17/12, Misty Dawn Bradley wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Keri, >>>>>> You may also see if there are student apartments that are specifically >>>>>> for >>>>>> college students. Some of these may even include utilities in the rent. >>>>>> Misty >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "keri" >>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:13 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>  well when i can actually get to school.... forensic psychology. >>>>>>> keri >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I >>>>>>> want >>>>>>> to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes >>>>>>> will >>>>>>> speak my heart." >>>>>>> --Robert Sexton >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >>>>>>> there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart >>>>>>> somewhere to receive it." >>>>>>> --Ivan Panin >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & >>>>>>> put >>>>>>> it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:08 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>  I wish you all the best. >>>>>>>> So, Keri, what's your major? >>>>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 4/17/12, keri wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> i can't postpone moving to NYC. I have to go to college. >>>>>>>>> As for section 8 I'll get there eventually but unlike others I know >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>> done with out it. It just takes hardwork in dedication, but I don't >>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>> years to wait for the government to get up and help me. >>>>>>>>> keri >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I >>>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes >>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>> speak >>>>>>>>> my heart." >>>>>>>>> --Robert Sexton >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every >>>>>>>>> truth >>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>> is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart >>>>>>>>> somewhere to >>>>>>>>> receive it." >>>>>>>>> --Ivan Panin >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart >>>>>>>>> & >>>>>>>>> put it >>>>>>>>> back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>> From: "Wmodnl" >>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 8:30 AM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>  Good morning.  First, are you on any of the federal housing >>>>>>>>>> programs >>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>> section 8?  On your limited income, that is the only way you both >>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>> able to obtain an apartment on your own.  The other option would be >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> look for roommates to share a place.  Good luck with that, when >>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>>> you are blind they are going to run! run! run! or never show an >>>>>>>>>> effort >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> share the place with you.  Forget the fact that there are two of >>>>>>>>>> you. >>>>>>>>>> I apologize in advance for sounding cynical; however, I want to be >>>>>>>>>> truthful and not sugar cote the truth.  Landlords in NYC as well as >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> rest of the USA will not want a blind person, let alone 2 b/c of >>>>>>>>>> liability >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> issues, etc. >>>>>>>>>> Have a strong presentation, be ready for much rejection.  Also be >>>>>>>>>> ready >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> be offered many many scams.  Have someone sighted go with you to >>>>>>>>>> make >>>>>>>>>> shore that what you are being offered is really the offer. >>>>>>>>>> I remember someone being open to me and showing no issue to my >>>>>>>>>> blindness. >>>>>>>>>> When we saw the apartment, everything seemed great.  However, the >>>>>>>>>> sighted >>>>>>>>>> person told me later to not take it since wholes were up high in >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> walls, mouse droppings were in the rugs, tiles in the bathroom and >>>>>>>>>> hallway >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> were missing with exposed pipes and wires.  I called the >>>>>>>>>> real-estate >>>>>>>>>> office later thanking them for insulting me as a person and there >>>>>>>>>> response >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> was one of shock.  The representative said in many words that >>>>>>>>>> he/she >>>>>>>>>> wanted me to be grateful for the apartment and that they were >>>>>>>>>> "willing >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> rent to a blind person"  Good luck, I hope all goes well for you, >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> let >>>>>>>>>> me know what you come up with.  You may want to wait on waiting >>>>>>>>>> lists >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> apartments through HUD or other programs and postpone your move to >>>>>>>>>> NYC >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> a good number of years. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> William O'Donnell, distributor >>>>>>>>>> Organo Gold Enterprises, INC. >>>>>>>>>> www.willsholistics.organogold.**com >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Apr 16, 2012, at 1:34 PM, "keri" >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>  greetings, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> My bf and I are about to move into an apartment in the New York >>>>>>>>>>> City >>>>>>>>>>> area.... We both live on SSI for the time being... We are in need >>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>> apartment recommendations that we can aford... We are both college >>>>>>>>>>> students. We prefer Statin Island but are open to suggestions in >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> city >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> area. >>>>>>>>>>> thanks, >>>>>>>>>>> keri >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things >>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>>>>> to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my >>>>>>>>>>> eyes >>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>> speak my heart." >>>>>>>>>>> --Robert Sexton >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every >>>>>>>>>>> truth >>>>>>>>>>> there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a >>>>>>>>>>> heart >>>>>>>>>>> somewhere to receive it." >>>>>>>>>>> --Ivan Panin >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered >>>>>>>>>>> heart >>>>>>>>>>> & >>>>>>>>>>> put >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>>>>>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>>>>>>>> wmodnl%40hotmail.com >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>>>>>>> wvucountrygirl729%40gmail.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>>>>>> jlester8462%40students.pccua.**edu >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>>>>> wvucountrygirl729%40gmail.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>>>> mistydbradley%40gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>>> jlester8462%40students.pccua.**edu >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>> wvucountrygirl729%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>> jlester8462%40students.pccua.**edu >>>> >>>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>> wvucountrygirl729%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**cbuckley%40pdx.edu >> > > > > -- > http://chrysanthymum.blogspot.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cassonw%40gmail.com -- Bill Casson University of New Mexico M.S. Computer Science Lewis & Clark Alumnus '11 B.A. Physics and Math/Comp Sci. (505) 695-1374 cassonw at gmail.com From nikkij84 at gmail.com Wed Apr 18 00:16:42 2012 From: nikkij84 at gmail.com (Nikki Jackson) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 20:16:42 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] National Convention Roommate possibility In-Reply-To: <800E67E7-F179-4EF2-97FB-0C3DE2CA017C@yahoo.com> References: <800E67E7-F179-4EF2-97FB-0C3DE2CA017C@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6DA50D38-E3ED-446E-AB4C-D71F6DF944D6@gmail.com> Hi, I do know of one young lady from Georgia who is currently looking for a room mate. Email me off list so that I can give you her contact info. My email address is dnjackson22 at gmail.com. Nikki Sent from my iPhone On Apr 17, 2012, at 1:32 PM, Macy McClain wrote: > Good afternoon everyone, > I am looking for potential roommates for national convention. I would be flying in on the 29th of June and returning the 6th of July. Is anyone willing to room with me so we can split the hotel costs more evenly? > Thanks, I hope to hear from you all soon! > Sincerely, > Macy McClain, Ohio > > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nikkij84%40gmail.com From wvucountrygirl729 at gmail.com Wed Apr 18 00:26:57 2012 From: wvucountrygirl729 at gmail.com (keri) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 20:26:57 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments References: <335C74F1BC8141FC92C2DF1A3816A9F3@klhurstl1><32F94B91FB1A4169B471DEA0018E6A37@klhurstl1><8E320524BA8D47BFB936291E524CB137@klhurstl1><286FDD91D2AB42BFADE8DBD3C9F50A43@acerd37f251f21><2FBFA63F3D314F12BACDE9FAF9AA47B1@klhurstl1> Message-ID: <4470EE7E83C34A69BABF69A3F486B19F@klhurstl1> thanks for the link. I'll take a look. I do have a small list of places to go check out on craigslist. keri "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will speak my heart." --Robert Sexton "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it." --Ivan Panin Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chrys Buckley" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments > Hi Keri, > > When does school start? You probably have several months to find an > apartment so don't worry too much. Also, plenty of landlords and potential > roommates aren't going to care that you're blind. With landlords, what > they > really care about is getting the rent paid on time. With roommates, if you > decide to go that route (which may not be a bad idea, considering costs of > NYC living) it can be a little awkward at first but plenty of blind > students I know (myself included) have shared apartments with roommates > and > had great experiences. Of course, there are always the bad apples and if > you come across that, just keep looking. > > Another idea might be to check with the school. Many schools have > resources > on off-campus housing, boards where people post about apartments or > sublets > or other rental options. If your school doesn't have dorms, there's an > even > greater chance that they do have some off-campus housing resources. > Another > place to check is http://www.places4students.com/ - there you will find > postings specifically geared towards students and that might feel more > trustworthy than craigslist. > > But at the same time, don't discount craigslist - it's definitely an > option > to investigate. Also, I don't know if NYC has this but I know here in > Portland we have something called Housing Connections which has listings > of > low-cost apartments. A lot of them accept section 8 but don't require it. > Most of them simply require proof that your income is below a certain > amount. So maybe look into whether NYC has something like that. > > Also, if you are on any NYC area mailing lists or groups, NFB or > otherwise, > or part of a student group for your school like a facebook page for new > students or something, these might be places to post that you're looking > for housing and people might be able to give suggestions of good buildings > or companies or warn you about the ones that aren't good. The more you put > the question out there and let people know what you're looking for, the > more likely it will be that something will come your way. > > Good luck! I love NYC and I hope this is the start to a great college > experience there! > > Chrys > > > On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 12:52 PM, keri > wrote: > >> this is a college in the middle of the city no room for a dorm.... And >> not >> to mention i can't just go to any college. >> >> keri >> >> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want >> to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will >> speak my heart." >> --Robert Sexton >> >> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >> there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart >> somewhere to receive it." >> --Ivan Panin >> >> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put >> it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" < >> jlester8462 at students.pccua.**edu > >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" < >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 2:19 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >> >> >> Wow! >>> Oral Roberts University has a good Psychology program, in Tulsa, and >>> they have great dorms! >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 4/17/12, keri wrote: >>> >>>> my school has no dorms. living on campus isn't an option. >>>> keri >>>> >>>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I >>>> want >>>> to >>>> say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will >>>> speak >>>> my heart." >>>> --Robert Sexton >>>> >>>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >>>> there >>>> is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart >>>> somewhere to >>>> receive it." >>>> --Ivan Panin >>>> >>>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & >>>> put it >>>> back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Joshua Lester" >>>> >>>> > >>>> To: "Misty Dawn Bradley" ; "National >>>> Association of >>>> Blind Students mailing list" >>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:51 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>>> >>>> >>>> Also, what about living on campus? >>>>> Is the boyfriend going to school, too? >>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>> >>>>> On 4/17/12, Misty Dawn Bradley wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Keri, >>>>>> You may also see if there are student apartments that are >>>>>> specifically >>>>>> for >>>>>> college students. Some of these may even include utilities in the >>>>>> rent. >>>>>> Misty >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "keri" >>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:13 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> well when i can actually get to school.... forensic psychology. >>>>>>> keri >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I >>>>>>> want >>>>>>> to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes >>>>>>> will >>>>>>> speak my heart." >>>>>>> --Robert Sexton >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every >>>>>>> truth >>>>>>> there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a >>>>>>> heart >>>>>>> somewhere to receive it." >>>>>>> --Ivan Panin >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart >>>>>>> & >>>>>>> put >>>>>>> it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:08 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I wish you all the best. >>>>>>>> So, Keri, what's your major? >>>>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 4/17/12, keri wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> i can't postpone moving to NYC. I have to go to college. >>>>>>>>> As for section 8 I'll get there eventually but unlike others I >>>>>>>>> know >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>> done with out it. It just takes hardwork in dedication, but I >>>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>> years to wait for the government to get up and help me. >>>>>>>>> keri >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things >>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes >>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>> speak >>>>>>>>> my heart." >>>>>>>>> --Robert Sexton >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every >>>>>>>>> truth >>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>> is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart >>>>>>>>> somewhere to >>>>>>>>> receive it." >>>>>>>>> --Ivan Panin >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered >>>>>>>>> heart >>>>>>>>> & >>>>>>>>> put it >>>>>>>>> back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>> From: "Wmodnl" >>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 8:30 AM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Good morning. First, are you on any of the federal housing >>>>>>>>>> programs >>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>> section 8? On your limited income, that is the only way you both >>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>> able to obtain an apartment on your own. The other option would >>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> look for roommates to share a place. Good luck with that, when >>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>>> you are blind they are going to run! run! run! or never show an >>>>>>>>>> effort >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> share the place with you. Forget the fact that there are two of >>>>>>>>>> you. >>>>>>>>>> I apologize in advance for sounding cynical; however, I want to >>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>> truthful and not sugar cote the truth. Landlords in NYC as well >>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> rest of the USA will not want a blind person, let alone 2 b/c of >>>>>>>>>> liability >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> issues, etc. >>>>>>>>>> Have a strong presentation, be ready for much rejection. Also be >>>>>>>>>> ready >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> be offered many many scams. Have someone sighted go with you to >>>>>>>>>> make >>>>>>>>>> shore that what you are being offered is really the offer. >>>>>>>>>> I remember someone being open to me and showing no issue to my >>>>>>>>>> blindness. >>>>>>>>>> When we saw the apartment, everything seemed great. However, the >>>>>>>>>> sighted >>>>>>>>>> person told me later to not take it since wholes were up high in >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> walls, mouse droppings were in the rugs, tiles in the bathroom >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> hallway >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> were missing with exposed pipes and wires. I called the >>>>>>>>>> real-estate >>>>>>>>>> office later thanking them for insulting me as a person and there >>>>>>>>>> response >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> was one of shock. The representative said in many words that >>>>>>>>>> he/she >>>>>>>>>> wanted me to be grateful for the apartment and that they were >>>>>>>>>> "willing >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> rent to a blind person" Good luck, I hope all goes well for you, >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> let >>>>>>>>>> me know what you come up with. You may want to wait on waiting >>>>>>>>>> lists >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> apartments through HUD or other programs and postpone your move >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> NYC >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> a good number of years. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> William O'Donnell, distributor >>>>>>>>>> Organo Gold Enterprises, INC. >>>>>>>>>> www.willsholistics.organogold.**com >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Apr 16, 2012, at 1:34 PM, "keri" >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> greetings, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> My bf and I are about to move into an apartment in the New York >>>>>>>>>>> City >>>>>>>>>>> area.... We both live on SSI for the time being... We are in >>>>>>>>>>> need >>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>> apartment recommendations that we can aford... We are both >>>>>>>>>>> college >>>>>>>>>>> students. We prefer Statin Island but are open to suggestions in >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> city >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> area. >>>>>>>>>>> thanks, >>>>>>>>>>> keri >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the >>>>>>>>>>> things >>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>>>>> to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my >>>>>>>>>>> eyes >>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>> speak my heart." >>>>>>>>>>> --Robert Sexton >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every >>>>>>>>>>> truth >>>>>>>>>>> there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a >>>>>>>>>>> heart >>>>>>>>>>> somewhere to receive it." >>>>>>>>>>> --Ivan Panin >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered >>>>>>>>>>> heart >>>>>>>>>>> & >>>>>>>>>>> put >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>>>>>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>>>>>>>> info >>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>>>>>>>> wmodnl%40hotmail.com >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>>>>>>> wvucountrygirl729%40gmail.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>>>>>> jlester8462%40students.pccua.**edu >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>>>>> wvucountrygirl729%40gmail.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>>>> mistydbradley%40gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>>> jlester8462%40students.pccua.**edu >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>> wvucountrygirl729%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>> jlester8462%40students.pccua.**edu >>>> >>>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>> wvucountrygirl729%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**cbuckley%40pdx.edu >> > > > > -- > http://chrysanthymum.blogspot.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wvucountrygirl729%40gmail.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Wed Apr 18 01:50:20 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 19:50:20 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments In-Reply-To: <4470EE7E83C34A69BABF69A3F486B19F@klhurstl1> References: <335C74F1BC8141FC92C2DF1A3816A9F3@klhurstl1> <32F94B91FB1A4169B471DEA0018E6A37@klhurstl1> <8E320524BA8D47BFB936291E524CB137@klhurstl1> <286FDD91D2AB42BFADE8DBD3C9F50A43@acerd37f251f21> <2FBFA63F3D314F12BACDE9FAF9AA47B1@klhurstl1> <4470EE7E83C34A69BABF69A3F486B19F@klhurstl1> Message-ID: Hi Bill and all, In general, I've learned that the best weapon against discriminatory statements is to ask them to put it in writing. If they say "we won't accept you because you're blind" ask them to put it in writing and tell them you won't abide by their policy, whatever it is, unless it's in writing. This may not work if they're smart about the risk of litigation and refuse to give their statement to you in writing, but if they really believe that what they are doing is justified and OK, they may not mind putting it in writing. Of course if you have their language in writing and it spells out clearly discriminatory reasoning, you can potentially raise a complaint. Along similar lines, outside the housing domain, if you are being discriminated against it's important to document in your own written form what is going on. If teachers or professors aren't giving you alternative format or other accommodations, keep a journal of when it happens and what is said and done, from your perspective. If a professor tells you you can't take their course, even if they won't put it in writing, keep a written record yourself. Same goes for overly pushy DSS offices making what you feel are inappropriate or unsolicited accommodations. If a DSS office insists it's "their policy" to do things a certain way, ask for the written policy. But if they won't provide it, again, still write down what they said to you verbally. This will help inform advocates or other officials helping you out about what exactly is going on, how often it's happening, etc. I learned about this long ago when I was in the fourth grade, believe it or not, and a bus driver told me that I had to sit in the very front of the bus for alleged safety reasons. He said it was "against the law" for me to sit anywhere but in the very front row. This may not sound like a big deal, but in elementary school (at least at my school) there was an unspoken bus hierarchy. The cool kids sat in the back and the "losers" or the kindergarten kids sat up front. This "law" had serious social ramifications for me. Luckily when I brought the situation to my dad's attention, he decided it worthwhile to investigate the supposed law further. After months of (pre-Internet) research, my dad discovered a written policy of my school district and from what I can remember, the policy gently suggested that "handicapped" kids be encouraged to sit "near the front of the bus" but it did not demand that all "handicapped" kids *must* sit there. More critically, it was just a local policy, not a law passed by a legislative body. My dad and I talked to the driver and he did ultimately back down and let me sit wherever I wished on the bus. My point in telling this whole tale is that oftentimes powerful people may try to intimidate us by overstating their authority to discriminate (i.e. by claiming discrimination is built into the law). Getting written copies of these kinds of statements will help us be savvy about where discriminatory policies come from and whether they actually hold up under the law. We can use this information to make informed decisions about whether, or how, to take formal action. Best, Arielle On 4/17/12, keri wrote: > thanks for the link. I'll take a look. I do have a small list of places to > go check out on craigslist. > keri > > "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want to > say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will speak > my heart." > --Robert Sexton > > "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there > is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to > receive it." > --Ivan Panin > > Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put it > back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chrys Buckley" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 4:35 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments > > >> Hi Keri, >> >> When does school start? You probably have several months to find an >> apartment so don't worry too much. Also, plenty of landlords and potential >> roommates aren't going to care that you're blind. With landlords, what >> they >> really care about is getting the rent paid on time. With roommates, if you >> decide to go that route (which may not be a bad idea, considering costs of >> NYC living) it can be a little awkward at first but plenty of blind >> students I know (myself included) have shared apartments with roommates >> and >> had great experiences. Of course, there are always the bad apples and if >> you come across that, just keep looking. >> >> Another idea might be to check with the school. Many schools have >> resources >> on off-campus housing, boards where people post about apartments or >> sublets >> or other rental options. If your school doesn't have dorms, there's an >> even >> greater chance that they do have some off-campus housing resources. >> Another >> place to check is http://www.places4students.com/ - there you will find >> postings specifically geared towards students and that might feel more >> trustworthy than craigslist. >> >> But at the same time, don't discount craigslist - it's definitely an >> option >> to investigate. Also, I don't know if NYC has this but I know here in >> Portland we have something called Housing Connections which has listings >> of >> low-cost apartments. A lot of them accept section 8 but don't require it. >> Most of them simply require proof that your income is below a certain >> amount. So maybe look into whether NYC has something like that. >> >> Also, if you are on any NYC area mailing lists or groups, NFB or >> otherwise, >> or part of a student group for your school like a facebook page for new >> students or something, these might be places to post that you're looking >> for housing and people might be able to give suggestions of good buildings >> or companies or warn you about the ones that aren't good. The more you put >> the question out there and let people know what you're looking for, the >> more likely it will be that something will come your way. >> >> Good luck! I love NYC and I hope this is the start to a great college >> experience there! >> >> Chrys >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 12:52 PM, keri >> wrote: >> >>> this is a college in the middle of the city no room for a dorm.... And >>> not >>> to mention i can't just go to any college. >>> >>> keri >>> >>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want >>> to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will >>> speak my heart." >>> --Robert Sexton >>> >>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >>> there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart >>> somewhere to receive it." >>> --Ivan Panin >>> >>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put >>> it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" < >>> jlester8462 at students.pccua.**edu > >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" < >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 2:19 PM >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>> >>> >>> Wow! >>>> Oral Roberts University has a good Psychology program, in Tulsa, and >>>> they have great dorms! >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>> >>>> On 4/17/12, keri wrote: >>>> >>>>> my school has no dorms. living on campus isn't an option. >>>>> keri >>>>> >>>>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I >>>>> want >>>>> to >>>>> say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will >>>>> speak >>>>> my heart." >>>>> --Robert Sexton >>>>> >>>>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >>>>> there >>>>> is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart >>>>> somewhere to >>>>> receive it." >>>>> --Ivan Panin >>>>> >>>>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & >>>>> put it >>>>> back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> To: "Misty Dawn Bradley" ; "National >>>>> Association of >>>>> Blind Students mailing list" >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:51 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Also, what about living on campus? >>>>>> Is the boyfriend going to school, too? >>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>> >>>>>> On 4/17/12, Misty Dawn Bradley wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Keri, >>>>>>> You may also see if there are student apartments that are >>>>>>> specifically >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> college students. Some of these may even include utilities in the >>>>>>> rent. >>>>>>> Misty >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "keri" >>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:13 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> well when i can actually get to school.... forensic psychology. >>>>>>>> keri >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I >>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>> to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes >>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>> speak my heart." >>>>>>>> --Robert Sexton >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every >>>>>>>> truth >>>>>>>> there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a >>>>>>>> heart >>>>>>>> somewhere to receive it." >>>>>>>> --Ivan Panin >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart >>>>>>>> & >>>>>>>> put >>>>>>>> it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:08 AM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I wish you all the best. >>>>>>>>> So, Keri, what's your major? >>>>>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 4/17/12, keri wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> i can't postpone moving to NYC. I have to go to college. >>>>>>>>>> As for section 8 I'll get there eventually but unlike others I >>>>>>>>>> know >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>> done with out it. It just takes hardwork in dedication, but I >>>>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>> years to wait for the government to get up and help me. >>>>>>>>>> keri >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things >>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes >>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>> speak >>>>>>>>>> my heart." >>>>>>>>>> --Robert Sexton >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every >>>>>>>>>> truth >>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>> is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart >>>>>>>>>> somewhere to >>>>>>>>>> receive it." >>>>>>>>>> --Ivan Panin >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered >>>>>>>>>> heart >>>>>>>>>> & >>>>>>>>>> put it >>>>>>>>>> back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>> From: "Wmodnl" >>>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 8:30 AM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Good morning. First, are you on any of the federal housing >>>>>>>>>>> programs >>>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>> section 8? On your limited income, that is the only way you both >>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>> able to obtain an apartment on your own. The other option would >>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> look for roommates to share a place. Good luck with that, when >>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>>>> you are blind they are going to run! run! run! or never show an >>>>>>>>>>> effort >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> share the place with you. Forget the fact that there are two of >>>>>>>>>>> you. >>>>>>>>>>> I apologize in advance for sounding cynical; however, I want to >>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>> truthful and not sugar cote the truth. Landlords in NYC as well >>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> rest of the USA will not want a blind person, let alone 2 b/c of >>>>>>>>>>> liability >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> issues, etc. >>>>>>>>>>> Have a strong presentation, be ready for much rejection. Also be >>>>>>>>>>> ready >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> be offered many many scams. Have someone sighted go with you to >>>>>>>>>>> make >>>>>>>>>>> shore that what you are being offered is really the offer. >>>>>>>>>>> I remember someone being open to me and showing no issue to my >>>>>>>>>>> blindness. >>>>>>>>>>> When we saw the apartment, everything seemed great. However, the >>>>>>>>>>> sighted >>>>>>>>>>> person told me later to not take it since wholes were up high in >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> walls, mouse droppings were in the rugs, tiles in the bathroom >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> hallway >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> were missing with exposed pipes and wires. I called the >>>>>>>>>>> real-estate >>>>>>>>>>> office later thanking them for insulting me as a person and there >>>>>>>>>>> response >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> was one of shock. The representative said in many words that >>>>>>>>>>> he/she >>>>>>>>>>> wanted me to be grateful for the apartment and that they were >>>>>>>>>>> "willing >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> rent to a blind person" Good luck, I hope all goes well for you, >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> let >>>>>>>>>>> me know what you come up with. You may want to wait on waiting >>>>>>>>>>> lists >>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>> apartments through HUD or other programs and postpone your move >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> NYC >>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> a good number of years. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> William O'Donnell, distributor >>>>>>>>>>> Organo Gold Enterprises, INC. >>>>>>>>>>> www.willsholistics.organogold.**com >>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 16, 2012, at 1:34 PM, "keri" >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> greetings, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> My bf and I are about to move into an apartment in the New York >>>>>>>>>>>> City >>>>>>>>>>>> area.... We both live on SSI for the time being... We are in >>>>>>>>>>>> need >>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>> apartment recommendations that we can aford... We are both >>>>>>>>>>>> college >>>>>>>>>>>> students. We prefer Statin Island but are open to suggestions in >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> city >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> area. >>>>>>>>>>>> thanks, >>>>>>>>>>>> keri >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the >>>>>>>>>>>> things >>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>>>>>> to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my >>>>>>>>>>>> eyes >>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>> speak my heart." >>>>>>>>>>>> --Robert Sexton >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every >>>>>>>>>>>> truth >>>>>>>>>>>> there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a >>>>>>>>>>>> heart >>>>>>>>>>>> somewhere to receive it." >>>>>>>>>>>> --Ivan Panin >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered >>>>>>>>>>>> heart >>>>>>>>>>>> & >>>>>>>>>>>> put >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>>>>>>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>>>>>>>>> info >>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>>>>>>>>> wmodnl%40hotmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>> To 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http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>> wvucountrygirl729%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**cbuckley%40pdx.edu >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> http://chrysanthymum.blogspot.com >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wvucountrygirl729%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From arielle71 at gmail.com Wed Apr 18 01:54:03 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 19:54:03 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Sharing Study-Abroad Experiences Message-ID: Hi all, I am helping to organize a conference call for the Colorado Association of Blind Students this weekend addressing study-abroad. If any of you have done study-abroad (or gone on another kind of student trip abroad, like for a summer) and would like to speak about your experience, please write me off-list at arielle71 at gmail.com Best, Arielle From dandrews at visi.com Wed Apr 18 02:13:50 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 21:13:50 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] new York advice on apartments In-Reply-To: <001301cd1caa$34fff4a0$1400ba43@BRIAN> References: <335C74F1BC8141FC92C2DF1A3816A9F3@klhurstl1> <001301cd1caa$34fff4a0$1400ba43@BRIAN> Message-ID: Simply put, fear and ignorance. If a landlord thinks blind people are more dangerous, a fire risk etc., he/she is not going to rent to you -- and I can tell you from experience that some people do think that. Dave At 09:56 AM 4/17/2012, you wrote: >Why would land lords discriminate against blind people? This >discrimination is illegal. My girl friend is sighted but also is >African American. If she was discriminated against their would be a >tough law suit ahead. If the Blacks aren't discriminated against >anymore why are these practices still enacted towards blind >people? Those that discriminate against us should get in as much >trouble as discriminating against a black person. From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Wed Apr 18 02:18:25 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 21:18:25 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] new York advice on apartments In-Reply-To: References: <335C74F1BC8141FC92C2DF1A3816A9F3@klhurstl1> <001301cd1caa$34fff4a0$1400ba43@BRIAN> Message-ID: Well: they need a good dose of NFB philosophy, to get rid of the ignorance, and as far as the fear is concerned, they better get over it! Blessings, Joshua On 4/17/12, David Andrews wrote: > Simply put, fear and ignorance. If a landlord thinks blind people > are more dangerous, a fire risk etc., he/she is not going to rent to > you -- and I can tell you from experience that some people do think that. > > Dave > > At 09:56 AM 4/17/2012, you wrote: >>Why would land lords discriminate against blind people? This >>discrimination is illegal. My girl friend is sighted but also is >>African American. If she was discriminated against their would be a >>tough law suit ahead. If the Blacks aren't discriminated against >>anymore why are these practices still enacted towards blind >>people? Those that discriminate against us should get in as much >>trouble as discriminating against a black person. > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From beckyasabo at gmail.com Wed Apr 18 03:47:16 2012 From: beckyasabo at gmail.com (Becky Sabo) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 21:47:16 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] need some help Please let me know . Message-ID: <8DB7AB3FD9384F82880AB05F7C0D022D@RebeccaPC> Hello all I need some help and also some advice. I need a new computer because my net book is not working well and it is a long story. What should I be looking for? Is there a user guide or reference for a Mack some where for the different commands? I tried out a Mack tonight and I like the voice over on it but I was getting over whelm and the people did not know for sure how to help me because I am blind. Again would a pc be in my favor or a Mack? Becky Sabo From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Wed Apr 18 03:50:06 2012 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 21:50:06 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] need some help Please let me know . Message-ID: <4f8e3a0a.2227b60a.1817.2b83@mx.google.com> I'm struggling to become one of the fellow Mack converts on this list. Macks are awsesome, and remember, QuickNav is your friend. Want more info? Just try pressing the two arrow keys right and left together, and you get QuickNav on and off. It helps a bunch like a mouse you know. Hope this helps. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Becky Sabo" References: <8DB7AB3FD9384F82880AB05F7C0D022D@RebeccaPC> Message-ID: Get a Del PC, because it's more compatible with Jaws! Blessings, Joshua On 4/17/12, Becky Sabo wrote: > Hello all > > I need some help and also some advice. I need a new computer because my net > book is not working well and it is a long story. What should I be looking > for? Is there a user guide or reference for a Mack some where for the > different commands? I tried out a Mack tonight and I like the voice over on > it but I was getting over whelm and the people did not know for sure how to > help me because I am blind. > > Again would a pc be in my favor or a Mack? > > Becky Sabo > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From chelseap08 at gmail.com Wed Apr 18 03:54:48 2012 From: chelseap08 at gmail.com (Chelsea Page) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 22:54:48 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] need some help Please let me know . In-Reply-To: References: <8DB7AB3FD9384F82880AB05F7C0D022D@RebeccaPC> Message-ID: <003701cd1d17$00e95f40$02bc1dc0$@gmail.com> I second that! I have had two of them and they are great computers! -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:53 PM To: beckyasabo at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] need some help Please let me know . Get a Del PC, because it's more compatible with Jaws! Blessings, Joshua On 4/17/12, Becky Sabo wrote: > Hello all > > I need some help and also some advice. I need a new computer because > my net book is not working well and it is a long story. What should I > be looking for? Is there a user guide or reference for a Mack some > where for the different commands? I tried out a Mack tonight and I > like the voice over on it but I was getting over whelm and the people > did not know for sure how to help me because I am blind. > > Again would a pc be in my favor or a Mack? > > Becky Sabo > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40stud > ents.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/chelseap08%40gmail.com From priscillagarces1987 at hotmail.com Wed Apr 18 09:38:14 2012 From: priscillagarces1987 at hotmail.com (priscilla garces) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 05:38:14 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] I DID IT! Message-ID: Single moms and teenagers are making big money from home.http://ple-on.com/secpart13.php?ivgoogleid=12w3 From laurel.stockard at gmail.com Wed Apr 18 14:30:40 2012 From: laurel.stockard at gmail.com (Laurel) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:30:40 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] hello Message-ID: Hi all, I just joined this list so I wanted to take a moment to introduce myself. My name is Laurel. I am a 20 year old college student in the Dallas, TX area. I study French and Russian. I have a working guide dog named Stockard. Stockard is a female yellow lab from Guide Dogs for the Blind and she will turn 4 in September. We have been a team for 2 years. I hope to get to know all of you well. Laurel and Stockard From gloria.graves at gmail.com Wed Apr 18 14:32:10 2012 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:32:10 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] hello References: Message-ID: <7B7FF64FED3D42D28BAAED57BB3756A9@Gloria> hello! It is nice to meet you. I hope you enjoy what this list has to offer. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurel" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 9:30 AM Subject: [nabs-l] hello > Hi all, > I just joined this list so I wanted to take a moment to introduce > myself. My name is Laurel. I am a 20 year old college student in the > Dallas, TX area. I study French and Russian. I have a working guide > dog named Stockard. Stockard is a female yellow lab from Guide Dogs > for the Blind and she will turn 4 in September. We have been a team > for 2 years. I hope to get to know all of you well. > Laurel and Stockard > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Wed Apr 18 14:40:19 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:40:19 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] hello In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Welcome, Laurel! Will you be at the convention, this year? Thanks, Joshua On 4/18/12, Laurel wrote: > Hi all, > I just joined this list so I wanted to take a moment to introduce > myself. My name is Laurel. I am a 20 year old college student in the > Dallas, TX area. I study French and Russian. I have a working guide > dog named Stockard. Stockard is a female yellow lab from Guide Dogs > for the Blind and she will turn 4 in September. We have been a team > for 2 years. I hope to get to know all of you well. > Laurel and Stockard > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com Wed Apr 18 14:55:17 2012 From: anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com (Anmol Bhatia) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 07:55:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] Sharing Study-Abroad Experiences In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1334760917.13354.YahooMailClassic@web162003.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Arielle, You should contact MIUSA to see if they would be interested in participating in the conference call. MIUSA is a international clearing house for people with disabilities and they hoste study abroad programs for pwd as well as doing international development projects to help pwd in developing countries. Their webcite is www.miusa.org Perhaps this could be a good topic for NABS membership call one month. Anmol I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers. Hellen Keller --- On Tue, 4/17/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: > From: Arielle Silverman > Subject: [nabs-l] Sharing Study-Abroad Experiences > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date: Tuesday, April 17, 2012, 8:54 PM > Hi all, > I am helping to organize a conference call for the Colorado > Association of Blind Students this weekend addressing > study-abroad. If > any of you have done study-abroad (or gone on another kind > of student > trip abroad, like for a summer) and would like to speak > about your > experience, please write me off-list at > arielle71 at gmail.com > Best, > Arielle > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbhatia%40yahoo.com > From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Wed Apr 18 14:07:19 2012 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail CMT) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 11:07:19 -0300 Subject: [nabs-l] hello In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi nice to meet you. My name is Rania, I live in nj and am a Certified Massage Therapist in the state of nj. Rania, -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Laurel Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 11:31 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] hello Hi all, I just joined this list so I wanted to take a moment to introduce myself. My name is Laurel. I am a 20 year old college student in the Dallas, TX area. I study French and Russian. I have a working guide dog named Stockard. Stockard is a female yellow lab from Guide Dogs for the Blind and she will turn 4 in September. We have been a team for 2 years. I hope to get to know all of you well. Laurel and Stockard _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co m From laurel.stockard at gmail.com Wed Apr 18 15:39:17 2012 From: laurel.stockard at gmail.com (Laurel) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 10:39:17 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] hello In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Joshua, yes I will. I would love to meet you there hopefully. Laurel and Stockard On 4/18/12, Rania Ismail CMT wrote: > Hi nice to meet you. My name is Rania, I live in nj and am a Certified > Massage Therapist in the state of nj. > Rania, > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Laurel > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 11:31 AM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] hello > > Hi all, > I just joined this list so I wanted to take a moment to introduce > myself. My name is Laurel. I am a 20 year old college student in the > Dallas, TX area. I study French and Russian. I have a working guide > dog named Stockard. Stockard is a female yellow lab from Guide Dogs > for the Blind and she will turn 4 in September. We have been a team > for 2 years. I hope to get to know all of you well. > Laurel and Stockard > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stockard%40gmail.com > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Wed Apr 18 15:41:21 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 10:41:21 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] hello In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'll E-mail you offlist. Blessings, Joshua On 4/18/12, Laurel wrote: > Hi Joshua, yes I will. I would love to meet you there hopefully. > Laurel and Stockard > > On 4/18/12, Rania Ismail CMT wrote: >> Hi nice to meet you. My name is Rania, I live in nj and am a Certified >> Massage Therapist in the state of nj. >> Rania, >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Laurel >> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 11:31 AM >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] hello >> >> Hi all, >> I just joined this list so I wanted to take a moment to introduce >> myself. My name is Laurel. I am a 20 year old college student in the >> Dallas, TX area. I study French and Russian. I have a working guide >> dog named Stockard. Stockard is a female yellow lab from Guide Dogs >> for the Blind and she will turn 4 in September. We have been a team >> for 2 years. I hope to get to know all of you well. >> Laurel and Stockard >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co >> m >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stockard%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From laurel.stockard at gmail.com Wed Apr 18 15:44:22 2012 From: laurel.stockard at gmail.com (Laurel) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 10:44:22 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] hello In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: cool. Is anybody else gonna be there too? Laurel and Stockard On 4/18/12, Joshua Lester wrote: > I'll E-mail you offlist. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 4/18/12, Laurel wrote: >> Hi Joshua, yes I will. I would love to meet you there hopefully. >> Laurel and Stockard >> >> On 4/18/12, Rania Ismail CMT wrote: >>> Hi nice to meet you. My name is Rania, I live in nj and am a Certified >>> Massage Therapist in the state of nj. >>> Rania, >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Laurel >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 11:31 AM >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Subject: [nabs-l] hello >>> >>> Hi all, >>> I just joined this list so I wanted to take a moment to introduce >>> myself. My name is Laurel. I am a 20 year old college student in the >>> Dallas, TX area. I study French and Russian. I have a working guide >>> dog named Stockard. Stockard is a female yellow lab from Guide Dogs >>> for the Blind and she will turn 4 in September. We have been a team >>> for 2 years. I hope to get to know all of you well. >>> Laurel and Stockard >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co >>> m >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stockard%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stockard%40gmail.com > From nimerjaber1 at gmail.com Wed Apr 18 15:45:53 2012 From: nimerjaber1 at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Nimer_M=2E_Jaber=2C_IC=B3?=) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 11:45:53 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] hello In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Joshua, I don't care that you're going to email her off list. Why don't you just freaking do it? What's up with these lists and meaningless messages anyways? Laurel, that's awesome about the French and Russian. I too speak Russian, as well as Arabic and Hebrew. And I have a wacky black lab named Abbie. If you want to know more, please email me off list. On 18.04.2012, Joshua Lester wrote: > I'll E-mail you offlist. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 4/18/12, Laurel wrote: >> Hi Joshua, yes I will. I would love to meet you there hopefully. >> Laurel and Stockard >> >> On 4/18/12, Rania Ismail CMT wrote: >>> Hi nice to meet you. My name is Rania, I live in nj and am a Certified >>> Massage Therapist in the state of nj. >>> Rania, >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Laurel >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 11:31 AM >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Subject: [nabs-l] hello >>> >>> Hi all, >>> I just joined this list so I wanted to take a moment to introduce >>> myself. My name is Laurel. I am a 20 year old college student in the >>> Dallas, TX area. I study French and Russian. I have a working guide >>> dog named Stockard. Stockard is a female yellow lab from Guide Dogs >>> for the Blind and she will turn 4 in September. We have been a team >>> for 2 years. I hope to get to know all of you well. >>> Laurel and Stockard >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co >>> m >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stockard%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%40gmail.com > -- Nimer Jaber, IC³ and Freedom Scientific JAWS Certifications The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient, please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents by anyone other than the intended recipient may result in civil or criminal action. I have checked this email and all corresponding attachments for security threats. However, security of your machine is up to you. Thanks. Registered Linux User 529141. http://counter.li.org/ Vinux testing and documentation coordinator To get more information about a free and accessible operating system, please click here: http://www.vinuxproject.org To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP and above, please click here: http://www.nvda-project.org You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news. Check out my blog related to technology by clicking here: http://nimertech.blogspot.com To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at (720) (251-4530) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly. From isaiah5719 at mchsi.com Wed Apr 18 15:51:57 2012 From: isaiah5719 at mchsi.com (Loren) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 10:51:57 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] need some help Please let me know . In-Reply-To: <003701cd1d17$00e95f40$02bc1dc0$@gmail.com> References: <8DB7AB3FD9384F82880AB05F7C0D022D@RebeccaPC> <003701cd1d17$00e95f40$02bc1dc0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <001201cd1d7b$2f64a3c0$8e2deb40$@mchsi.com> There are pros and cons for each. The mac does have out-of-the-box speech, and thus will be ready to do when you purchase it off the shelf. Also, the upgrade will be extremely less expensive, sincre it will come with the next system operating upgrade that Apple puts out. The last one ran around 30 bucks. Also, many of the different drivers one needs for a braille display are already there. A pc is more common and more people can share with you. Your initial cost for the machine is less, but then, you will have to spend the money for the screen reading software. These days, the screen reading software is several times what a reasonably priced computer will cost. Also, as the windows upgrades ome out, you must first pay for them. The last upgrade from vista to windows 7 was around 120 buvcks. Then, you will have to keep up with the new versions of the screen reading software. Those who habve macs swear by them. So it will be up to you. Also, if you are use to a pc, there will be a steep learning curve for the mac. I wish you well in your purchasing of a new machine. Loren Wakefield -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chelsea Page Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:55 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] need some help Please let me know . I second that! I have had two of them and they are great computers! -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:53 PM To: beckyasabo at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] need some help Please let me know . Get a Del PC, because it's more compatible with Jaws! Blessings, Joshua On 4/17/12, Becky Sabo wrote: > Hello all > > I need some help and also some advice. I need a new computer because > my net book is not working well and it is a long story. What should I > be looking for? Is there a user guide or reference for a Mack some > where for the different commands? I tried out a Mack tonight and I > like the voice over on it but I was getting over whelm and the people > did not know for sure how to help me because I am blind. > > Again would a pc be in my favor or a Mack? > > Becky Sabo > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40stud > ents.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/chelseap08%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/isaiah5719%40mchsi.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Wed Apr 18 15:58:54 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 10:58:54 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] hello In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'll stop posting on this list, altogether, then. This is a method, to make sure they get my E-mails, because I had an issue with someone, on another list, who told me, that for some reason, my E-mails showed up in their spam, and they had to remedy that. I do this, to make sure, they get the E-mails. Blessings, Joshua On 4/18/12, Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ wrote: > Joshua, I don't care that you're going to email her off list. Why > don't you just freaking do it? What's up with these lists and > meaningless messages anyways? > > Laurel, that's awesome about the French and Russian. I too speak > Russian, as well as Arabic and Hebrew. And I have a wacky black lab > named Abbie. If you want to know more, please email me off list. > > On 18.04.2012, Joshua Lester wrote: >> I'll E-mail you offlist. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 4/18/12, Laurel wrote: >>> Hi Joshua, yes I will. I would love to meet you there hopefully. >>> Laurel and Stockard >>> >>> On 4/18/12, Rania Ismail CMT wrote: >>>> Hi nice to meet you. My name is Rania, I live in nj and am a Certified >>>> Massage Therapist in the state of nj. >>>> Rania, >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>> Behalf >>>> Of Laurel >>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 11:31 AM >>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] hello >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> I just joined this list so I wanted to take a moment to introduce >>>> myself. My name is Laurel. I am a 20 year old college student in the >>>> Dallas, TX area. I study French and Russian. I have a working guide >>>> dog named Stockard. Stockard is a female yellow lab from Guide Dogs >>>> for the Blind and she will turn 4 in September. We have been a team >>>> for 2 years. I hope to get to know all of you well. >>>> Laurel and Stockard >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co >>>> m >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stockard%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Nimer Jaber, IC³ and Freedom Scientific JAWS Certifications > > The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was > addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient, > please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this > correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents > by anyone other than the intended recipient may result in civil or > criminal action. I have checked this email and all corresponding > attachments for security threats. However, security of your machine is > up to you. Thanks. > > Registered Linux User 529141. > http://counter.li.org/ > Vinux testing and documentation coordinator > To get more information about a free and accessible operating system, > please click here: > http://www.vinuxproject.org > > To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP > and above, please click here: > http://www.nvda-project.org > > You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news. > > Check out my blog related to technology by clicking here: > http://nimertech.blogspot.com > > To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at (720) > (251-4530) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Wed Apr 18 15:58:56 2012 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:58:56 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] hello Message-ID: <4f8ee4dd.226cb60a.6932.6b3a@mx.google.com> Aww, the dog must be really cute. GDB is famous for Roselle, the American Hero Dog award winner. I might consider getting a dog from there too. My name is Beth, and I recently as two years ago to Denver, Colorado. I love the city and I wish I were always walking around the city more often. have fun! Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: Laurel References: Message-ID: Please be aware Priscilla that your account is spamming our list Sent from my iPhone On 18 Apr 2012, at 04:38, priscilla garces wrote: > Single moms and teenagers are making big money from home.http://ple-on.com/secpart13.php?ivgoogleid=12w3 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/todd.orlowski%40yahoo.co.uk From nimerjaber1 at gmail.com Wed Apr 18 17:12:21 2012 From: nimerjaber1 at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Nimer_M=2E_Jaber=2C_IC=B3?=) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 13:12:21 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] hello In-Reply-To: <4f8ee4dd.226cb60a.6932.6b3a@mx.google.com> References: <4f8ee4dd.226cb60a.6932.6b3a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Joshua, ther is no need to be overdramatic. I didn't and wouldn't ever tell someone they can't post to a list, and even if I wanted to I'm not the moderator of this list. It's just that pointless one-line messages add up, especially for some of us that follow or try to follow multiple lists. Thanks. On 18.04.2012, Beth wrote: > Aww, the dog must be really cute. GDB is famous for Roselle, the > American Hero Dog award winner. I might consider getting a dog > from there too. > My name is Beth, and I recently as two years ago to Denver, > Colorado. I love the city and I wish I were always walking > around the city more often. have fun! > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Laurel To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date sent: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:30:40 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] hello > > Hi all, > I just joined this list so I wanted to take a moment to introduce > myself. My name is Laurel. I am a 20 year old college student in > the > Dallas, TX area. I study French and Russian. I have a working > guide > dog named Stockard. Stockard is a female yellow lab from Guide > Dogs > for the Blind and she will turn 4 in September. We have been a > team > for 2 years. I hope to get to know all of you well. > Laurel and Stockard > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo > se%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%40gmail.com > -- Nimer Jaber, IC³ and Freedom Scientific JAWS Certifications The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient, please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents by anyone other than the intended recipient may result in civil or criminal action. I have checked this email and all corresponding attachments for security threats. However, security of your machine is up to you. Thanks. Registered Linux User 529141. http://counter.li.org/ Vinux testing and documentation coordinator To get more information about a free and accessible operating system, please click here: http://www.vinuxproject.org To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP and above, please click here: http://www.nvda-project.org You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news. Check out my blog related to technology by clicking here: http://nimertech.blogspot.com To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at (720) (251-4530) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly. From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Wed Apr 18 17:34:02 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 12:34:02 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] hello In-Reply-To: References: <4f8ee4dd.226cb60a.6932.6b3a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I'm tired of alot of things, that go on, on these lists, as well, but I've learned to live with them. Kaiser's spam, that other spammer we had, today, and things like that make me mad, but I just ignore them. Blessings, Joshua On 4/18/12, Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ wrote: > Joshua, ther is no need to be overdramatic. I didn't and wouldn't ever > tell someone they can't post to a list, and even if I wanted to I'm > not the moderator of this list. It's just that pointless one-line > messages add up, especially for some of us that follow or try to > follow multiple lists. > > Thanks. > > On 18.04.2012, Beth wrote: >> Aww, the dog must be really cute. GDB is famous for Roselle, the >> American Hero Dog award winner. I might consider getting a dog >> from there too. >> My name is Beth, and I recently as two years ago to Denver, >> Colorado. I love the city and I wish I were always walking >> around the city more often. have fun! >> Beth >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Laurel > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Date sent: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:30:40 -0500 >> Subject: [nabs-l] hello >> >> Hi all, >> I just joined this list so I wanted to take a moment to introduce >> myself. My name is Laurel. I am a 20 year old college student in >> the >> Dallas, TX area. I study French and Russian. I have a working >> guide >> dog named Stockard. Stockard is a female yellow lab from Guide >> Dogs >> for the Blind and she will turn 4 in September. We have been a >> team >> for 2 years. I hope to get to know all of you well. >> Laurel and Stockard >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo >> se%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Nimer Jaber, IC³ and Freedom Scientific JAWS Certifications > > The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was > addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient, > please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this > correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents > by anyone other than the intended recipient may result in civil or > criminal action. I have checked this email and all corresponding > attachments for security threats. However, security of your machine is > up to you. Thanks. > > Registered Linux User 529141. > http://counter.li.org/ > Vinux testing and documentation coordinator > To get more information about a free and accessible operating system, > please click here: > http://www.vinuxproject.org > > To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP > and above, please click here: > http://www.nvda-project.org > > You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news. > > Check out my blog related to technology by clicking here: > http://nimertech.blogspot.com > > To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at (720) > (251-4530) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Wed Apr 18 17:38:45 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 13:38:45 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] I DID IT! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: yes, but I'm sure she did not mean to -----Original Message----- From: Todd Orlowski Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 10:53 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: ; ; ; ; ; ; Subject: Re: [nabs-l] I DID IT! Please be aware Priscilla that your account is spamming our list Sent from my iPhone On 18 Apr 2012, at 04:38, priscilla garces wrote: > Single moms and teenagers are making big money from > home.http://ple-on.com/secpart13.php?ivgoogleid=12w3 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/todd.orlowski%40yahoo.co.uk _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Wed Apr 18 17:46:12 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 12:46:12 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] I DID IT! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Has she posted a legitimate post on here, before? I'm just wondering. Thanks, Joshua On 4/18/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > yes, but I'm sure she did not mean to > > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Orlowski > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 10:53 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: ; ; > ; ; ; > ; > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] I DID IT! > > Please be aware Priscilla that your account is spamming our list > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 18 Apr 2012, at 04:38, priscilla garces > wrote: > >> Single moms and teenagers are making big money from >> home.http://ple-on.com/secpart13.php?ivgoogleid=12w3 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/todd.orlowski%40yahoo.co.uk > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Wed Apr 18 18:20:11 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 14:20:11 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] I DID IT! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: she did. -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 1:46 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] I DID IT! Has she posted a legitimate post on here, before? I'm just wondering. Thanks, Joshua On 4/18/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > yes, but I'm sure she did not mean to > > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Orlowski > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 10:53 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: ; ; > ; ; ; > ; > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] I DID IT! > > Please be aware Priscilla that your account is spamming our list > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 18 Apr 2012, at 04:38, priscilla garces > > wrote: > >> Single moms and teenagers are making big money from >> home.http://ple-on.com/secpart13.php?ivgoogleid=12w3 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/todd.orlowski%40yahoo.co.uk > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Wed Apr 18 20:13:48 2012 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 13:13:48 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] hello References: Message-ID: Hey, Great to see you here. It's Nicole from the NAGDU list. Nicole and Lexia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurel" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 7:30 AM Subject: [nabs-l] hello > Hi all, > I just joined this list so I wanted to take a moment to introduce > myself. My name is Laurel. I am a 20 year old college student in the > Dallas, TX area. I study French and Russian. I have a working guide > dog named Stockard. Stockard is a female yellow lab from Guide Dogs > for the Blind and she will turn 4 in September. We have been a team > for 2 years. I hope to get to know all of you well. > Laurel and Stockard > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Wed Apr 18 20:16:02 2012 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 13:16:02 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Emails was Re: hello References: Message-ID: Then try it first and check later. You are starting to drive some of us on this list crazy with this and some of your other tactics. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" To: ; "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] hello I'll stop posting on this list, altogether, then. This is a method, to make sure they get my E-mails, because I had an issue with someone, on another list, who told me, that for some reason, my E-mails showed up in their spam, and they had to remedy that. I do this, to make sure, they get the E-mails. Blessings, Joshua On 4/18/12, Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ wrote: > Joshua, I don't care that you're going to email her off list. Why > don't you just freaking do it? What's up with these lists and > meaningless messages anyways? > > Laurel, that's awesome about the French and Russian. I too speak > Russian, as well as Arabic and Hebrew. And I have a wacky black lab > named Abbie. If you want to know more, please email me off list. > > On 18.04.2012, Joshua Lester wrote: >> I'll E-mail you offlist. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 4/18/12, Laurel wrote: >>> Hi Joshua, yes I will. I would love to meet you there hopefully. >>> Laurel and Stockard >>> >>> On 4/18/12, Rania Ismail CMT wrote: >>>> Hi nice to meet you. My name is Rania, I live in nj and am a Certified >>>> Massage Therapist in the state of nj. >>>> Rania, >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>> Behalf >>>> Of Laurel >>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 11:31 AM >>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] hello >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> I just joined this list so I wanted to take a moment to introduce >>>> myself. My name is Laurel. I am a 20 year old college student in the >>>> Dallas, TX area. I study French and Russian. I have a working guide >>>> dog named Stockard. Stockard is a female yellow lab from Guide Dogs >>>> for the Blind and she will turn 4 in September. We have been a team >>>> for 2 years. I hope to get to know all of you well. >>>> Laurel and Stockard >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co >>>> m >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stockard%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Nimer Jaber, IC³ and Freedom Scientific JAWS Certifications > > The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was > addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient, > please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this > correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents > by anyone other than the intended recipient may result in civil or > criminal action. I have checked this email and all corresponding > attachments for security threats. However, security of your machine is > up to you. Thanks. > > Registered Linux User 529141. > http://counter.li.org/ > Vinux testing and documentation coordinator > To get more information about a free and accessible operating system, > please click here: > http://www.vinuxproject.org > > To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP > and above, please click here: > http://www.nvda-project.org > > You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news. > > Check out my blog related to technology by clicking here: > http://nimertech.blogspot.com > > To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at (720) > (251-4530) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com From laurel.stockard at gmail.com Wed Apr 18 21:06:21 2012 From: laurel.stockard at gmail.com (Laurel) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 16:06:21 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] hello In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ok, before I begin, I'm sorry if this is the second message in a row you get from me. I accidentally hit a button and I think maybe the last email got cut off previously to the end and sent before I actually wanted to send it. I was trying to say: Beth, my gdb dog is awesome, I know several teams in your area, and please feel free to privately message me if you wanna know anything about GDB or guides I really appreciate y'all's welcoming messages. For the record, I'm glad Joshua posted here that he was gonna email me, because I don't open emails from people I don't know unless they are list emails so I appreciate that. Cory, I don't think I'm your facebook friend, but you can find me there if you want. Go find my guide dog, add her and then I'll add you there. Her name is Stockard Wheeler. You can search me directly by looking up the name Laurel Wheeler andd the UT Arlington network. Anybody who wishes to may add me on facebook. Please make sure if you do add me, that you send me a message either on facebook or privately through email, and tell me who you are so I know. I don't add people who I don't know, but if you explain who you are and that I know you from this list, I'll be happy to add ya. Nicole, glad to see you on here too :) Laurel and Stockard On 4/18/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: > Hey, > > Great to see you here. It's Nicole from the NAGDU list. > > Nicole and Lexia > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Laurel" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 7:30 AM > Subject: [nabs-l] hello > > >> Hi all, >> I just joined this list so I wanted to take a moment to introduce >> myself. My name is Laurel. I am a 20 year old college student in the >> Dallas, TX area. I study French and Russian. I have a working guide >> dog named Stockard. Stockard is a female yellow lab from Guide Dogs >> for the Blind and she will turn 4 in September. We have been a team >> for 2 years. I hope to get to know all of you well. >> Laurel and Stockard >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stockard%40gmail.com > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Wed Apr 18 21:12:30 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 16:12:30 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] hello In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Laurel. This was the only message, I received. Blessings, Joshua On 4/18/12, Laurel wrote: > ok, before I begin, I'm sorry if this is the second message in a row > you get from me. I accidentally hit a button and I think maybe the > last email got cut off previously to the end and sent before I > actually wanted to send it. > > I was trying to say: > Beth, my gdb dog is awesome, I know several teams in your area, and > please feel free to privately message me if you wanna know anything > about GDB or guides > > I really appreciate y'all's welcoming messages. For the record, I'm > glad Joshua posted here that he was gonna email me, because I don't > open emails from people I don't know unless they are list emails so I > appreciate that. > Cory, I don't think I'm your facebook friend, but you can find me > there if you want. Go find my guide dog, add her and then I'll add you > there. Her name is Stockard Wheeler. You can search me directly by > looking up the name Laurel Wheeler andd the UT Arlington network. > Anybody who wishes to may add me on facebook. Please make sure if you > do add me, that you send me a message either on facebook or privately > through email, and tell me who you are so I know. I don't add people > who I don't know, but if you explain who you are and that I know you > from this list, I'll be happy to add ya. > Nicole, glad to see you on here too :) > > Laurel and Stockard > > On 4/18/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: >> Hey, >> >> Great to see you here. It's Nicole from the NAGDU list. >> >> Nicole and Lexia >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Laurel" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 7:30 AM >> Subject: [nabs-l] hello >> >> >>> Hi all, >>> I just joined this list so I wanted to take a moment to introduce >>> myself. My name is Laurel. I am a 20 year old college student in the >>> Dallas, TX area. I study French and Russian. I have a working guide >>> dog named Stockard. Stockard is a female yellow lab from Guide Dogs >>> for the Blind and she will turn 4 in September. We have been a team >>> for 2 years. I hope to get to know all of you well. >>> Laurel and Stockard >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stockard%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From laurel.stockard at gmail.com Wed Apr 18 21:16:57 2012 From: laurel.stockard at gmail.com (Laurel) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 16:16:57 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] hello In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oh good. Dumb computer, lol. I just didn't wanna send y'all the same thing twice. I can't stand when people do that, but I understand sometimes if it happens by accident. /grins/ Laurel and Stockard On 4/18/12, Joshua Lester wrote: > Hi, Laurel. > This was the only message, I received. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 4/18/12, Laurel wrote: >> ok, before I begin, I'm sorry if this is the second message in a row >> you get from me. I accidentally hit a button and I think maybe the >> last email got cut off previously to the end and sent before I >> actually wanted to send it. >> >> I was trying to say: >> Beth, my gdb dog is awesome, I know several teams in your area, and >> please feel free to privately message me if you wanna know anything >> about GDB or guides >> >> I really appreciate y'all's welcoming messages. For the record, I'm >> glad Joshua posted here that he was gonna email me, because I don't >> open emails from people I don't know unless they are list emails so I >> appreciate that. >> Cory, I don't think I'm your facebook friend, but you can find me >> there if you want. Go find my guide dog, add her and then I'll add you >> there. Her name is Stockard Wheeler. You can search me directly by >> looking up the name Laurel Wheeler andd the UT Arlington network. >> Anybody who wishes to may add me on facebook. Please make sure if you >> do add me, that you send me a message either on facebook or privately >> through email, and tell me who you are so I know. I don't add people >> who I don't know, but if you explain who you are and that I know you >> from this list, I'll be happy to add ya. >> Nicole, glad to see you on here too :) >> >> Laurel and Stockard >> >> On 4/18/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: >>> Hey, >>> >>> Great to see you here. It's Nicole from the NAGDU list. >>> >>> Nicole and Lexia >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Laurel" >>> To: >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 7:30 AM >>> Subject: [nabs-l] hello >>> >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> I just joined this list so I wanted to take a moment to introduce >>>> myself. My name is Laurel. I am a 20 year old college student in the >>>> Dallas, TX area. I study French and Russian. I have a working guide >>>> dog named Stockard. Stockard is a female yellow lab from Guide Dogs >>>> for the Blind and she will turn 4 in September. We have been a team >>>> for 2 years. I hope to get to know all of you well. >>>> Laurel and Stockard >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stockard%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stockard%40gmail.com > From leanicole1988 at gmail.com Wed Apr 18 21:53:28 2012 From: leanicole1988 at gmail.com (Lea williams) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 17:53:28 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Emails was Re: hello In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Laurel, wear is it that you got your dog? I am going to go to gebs in seven weeks. On 4/18/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: > Then try it first and check later. You are starting to drive some of us on > this list crazy with this and some of your other tactics. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" > To: ; "National Association of Blind Students mailing > list" > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 8:58 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] hello > > > I'll stop posting on this list, altogether, then. > This is a method, to make sure they get my E-mails, because I had an > issue with someone, on another list, who told me, that for some > reason, my E-mails showed up in their spam, and they had to remedy > that. > I do this, to make sure, they get the E-mails. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 4/18/12, Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ wrote: >> Joshua, I don't care that you're going to email her off list. Why >> don't you just freaking do it? What's up with these lists and >> meaningless messages anyways? >> >> Laurel, that's awesome about the French and Russian. I too speak >> Russian, as well as Arabic and Hebrew. And I have a wacky black lab >> named Abbie. If you want to know more, please email me off list. >> >> On 18.04.2012, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> I'll E-mail you offlist. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 4/18/12, Laurel wrote: >>>> Hi Joshua, yes I will. I would love to meet you there hopefully. >>>> Laurel and Stockard >>>> >>>> On 4/18/12, Rania Ismail CMT wrote: >>>>> Hi nice to meet you. My name is Rania, I live in nj and am a Certified >>>>> Massage Therapist in the state of nj. >>>>> Rania, >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>> Behalf >>>>> Of Laurel >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 11:31 AM >>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] hello >>>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> I just joined this list so I wanted to take a moment to introduce >>>>> myself. My name is Laurel. I am a 20 year old college student in the >>>>> Dallas, TX area. I study French and Russian. I have a working guide >>>>> dog named Stockard. Stockard is a female yellow lab from Guide Dogs >>>>> for the Blind and she will turn 4 in September. We have been a team >>>>> for 2 years. I hope to get to know all of you well. >>>>> Laurel and Stockard >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co >>>>> m >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stockard%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Nimer Jaber, IC³ and Freedom Scientific JAWS Certifications >> >> The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was >> addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient, >> please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this >> correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents >> by anyone other than the intended recipient may result in civil or >> criminal action. I have checked this email and all corresponding >> attachments for security threats. However, security of your machine is >> up to you. Thanks. >> >> Registered Linux User 529141. >> http://counter.li.org/ >> Vinux testing and documentation coordinator >> To get more information about a free and accessible operating system, >> please click here: >> http://www.vinuxproject.org >> >> To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP >> and above, please click here: >> http://www.nvda-project.org >> >> You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news. >> >> Check out my blog related to technology by clicking here: >> http://nimertech.blogspot.com >> >> To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at (720) >> (251-4530) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com > -- Lea Williams Phone; 704-732-4470 Skipe; Lea.williams738 Facebook http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 Twitter http://twitter.com/LeaNicole1988 From dandrews at visi.com Thu Apr 19 00:34:17 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 19:34:17 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Nonvisual Access to Peachtree Complete Accounting Message-ID: > >Greetings: > >For some time, many blind people have been searching for an >"accessible" accounting package that would work well with screen >access technology for the blind. I cannot count the number of times >I have had to tell someone that for all practical purposes, there >was no really good way to use a business-oriented accounting package >(such as Quick books) with JAWS for Windows. At best, I have had to >recommend nonvisually-accessible financial programs that were more >appropriate for the home user. > >I am pleased to tell you that a company called Virtual Vision >Technologies has developed JAWS scripts for the Peachtree Complete >Accounting system. Although this is not a solution for people using >Quick Books, this can be a solution for that small business person >who needs a well-reputed and powerful commercial accounting program >and who needs to use that program with JAWS for Windows. The >complete package--that is, JAWS scripts and the Peachtree Complete >Accounting program--is available from Scripts for JAWS. Quoting >from the Scripts for JAWS home page: > >"With Jaws Scripts for Peachtree, the two best solutions available >for the visually impaired are united: Jaws and Peachtree! This means >that everything from simply maintaining your own personal checkbook >through running your own business (of virtually any sort or size) is >now open to you! Even becoming an accountant yourself is now accessible!" > >There is a lot of promise here and, I admit, no real-world >experience. I myself have not had a chance to evaluate this >offering. Nevertheless, given what I know about Virtual Vision >Technologies, I am optimistic that an extremely viable solution >exists here and for only $169 (i.e., $100 for Peachtree Complete >Accounting and $69 for the JAWS scripts--an introductory price) at that. > >One of the challenges that has made nonvisual access even more >difficult is that once extensive scripting has been done for a >specific version of an accounting program, the scripting falls apart >when the next version is released. When I raised this issue with >the folks who developed the Peachtree Complete Accounting scripts >for JAWS, this is the response I received: > >"allow me to point out one great thing right off the top: Peachtree >(unlike other applications such as QuickBooks) has no constant >requirement to upgrade. Thousands upon thousands (actually, >literally millions) of Peachtree users never upgrade. Peachtree >Complete Accounting is and will be available for purchase for years >to come. For example, PCA 2006 is still widely available. Real >users of accounting applications rarely upgrade unless there is a >business need to do so. Compare to QuickBooks; which requires at >least one upgrade every other year. This very stability issue to >which you point is perhaps the primary reason Peachtree was chosen >(to be scripted)." > >If you want to learn more about Peachtree Complete Accounting and >the JAWS scripts that have been developed for this software, point >your browser to http://www.scriptsforjaws.com/index.php. > >Best regards, > >Curtis Chong From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Apr 19 01:32:18 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 21:32:18 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] need some help Please let me know . Message-ID: <4f8f6b4d.036be00a.1539.359c@mx.google.com> Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the maker of the computer itself (Dell, HP, etc) has anything to do with the software's accessibility with JAWS or any other screen reader. Chris Nusbaum "For we walk by faith, not by sight." 2 Corinthians 5:7 Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chelsea Page" wrote: Hello all I need some help and also some advice. I need a new computer because my net book is not working well and it is a long story. What should I be looking for? Is there a user guide or reference for a Mack some where for the different commands? I tried out a Mack tonight and I like the voice over on it but I was getting over whelm and the people did not know for sure how to help me because I am blind. Again would a pc be in my favor or a Mack? Becky Sabo _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0stud ents.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/chelseap08%40 gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Apr 19 01:32:22 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 21:32:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [Blindtlk] {Disarmed} Fw: Accessible APP Camp Message-ID: <4f8f6b50.036be00a.1539.35a1@mx.google.com> This seems very cool! From: "Beverly Hunter" ,"nfb blind talk" ,"Georgia" I've seen this before; it looks like your email account has been hacked. You might want to check into that, and in the meantime, unsubscribe from the list so spam emails aren't sent out beyond your control. Chris Nusbaum "For we walk by faith, not by sight." 2 Corinthians 5:7 Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: priscilla garces , , ,, ,, References: Message-ID: <6F6C07B02A374B8583E3A05E6E09026A@Cptr233> Hi Laurel, I am also on this list too. Marsha, from NAGDU. Take care, Marsha -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Laurel Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 5:06 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] hello ok, before I begin, I'm sorry if this is the second message in a row you get from me. I accidentally hit a button and I think maybe the last email got cut off previously to the end and sent before I actually wanted to send it. I was trying to say: Beth, my gdb dog is awesome, I know several teams in your area, and please feel free to privately message me if you wanna know anything about GDB or guides I really appreciate y'all's welcoming messages. For the record, I'm glad Joshua posted here that he was gonna email me, because I don't open emails from people I don't know unless they are list emails so I appreciate that. Cory, I don't think I'm your facebook friend, but you can find me there if you want. Go find my guide dog, add her and then I'll add you there. Her name is Stockard Wheeler. You can search me directly by looking up the name Laurel Wheeler andd the UT Arlington network. Anybody who wishes to may add me on facebook. Please make sure if you do add me, that you send me a message either on facebook or privately through email, and tell me who you are so I know. I don't add people who I don't know, but if you explain who you are and that I know you from this list, I'll be happy to add ya. Nicole, glad to see you on here too :) Laurel and Stockard On 4/18/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: > Hey, > > Great to see you here. It's Nicole from the NAGDU list. > > Nicole and Lexia > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Laurel" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 7:30 AM > Subject: [nabs-l] hello > > >> Hi all, >> I just joined this list so I wanted to take a moment to introduce >> myself. My name is Laurel. I am a 20 year old college student in the >> Dallas, TX area. I study French and Russian. I have a working guide >> dog named Stockard. Stockard is a female yellow lab from Guide Dogs >> for the Blind and she will turn 4 in September. We have been a team >> for 2 years. I hope to get to know all of you well. >> Laurel and Stockard >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.c om >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stockard%40gmail. com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co m __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7045 (20120411) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7045 (20120411) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From wmodnl at hotmail.com Wed Apr 18 12:39:53 2012 From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (Wmodnl) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 08:39:53 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments In-Reply-To: References: <335C74F1BC8141FC92C2DF1A3816A9F3@klhurstl1> <32F94B91FB1A4169B471DEA0018E6A37@klhurstl1> <8E320524BA8D47BFB936291E524CB137@klhurstl1> <286FDD91D2AB42BFADE8DBD3C9F50A43@acerd37f251f21> <2FBFA63F3D314F12BACDE9FAF9AA47B1@klhurstl1> Message-ID: What college are you attending? Thanks William O'Donnell, distributor Organo Gold Enterprises, INC. www.willsholistics.organogold.com Sent from my iPad On Apr 17, 2012, at 4:35 PM, Chrys Buckley wrote: > Hi Keri, > > When does school start? You probably have several months to find an > apartment so don't worry too much. Also, plenty of landlords and potential > roommates aren't going to care that you're blind. With landlords, what they > really care about is getting the rent paid on time. With roommates, if you > decide to go that route (which may not be a bad idea, considering costs of > NYC living) it can be a little awkward at first but plenty of blind > students I know (myself included) have shared apartments with roommates and > had great experiences. Of course, there are always the bad apples and if > you come across that, just keep looking. > > Another idea might be to check with the school. Many schools have resources > on off-campus housing, boards where people post about apartments or sublets > or other rental options. If your school doesn't have dorms, there's an even > greater chance that they do have some off-campus housing resources. Another > place to check is http://www.places4students.com/ - there you will find > postings specifically geared towards students and that might feel more > trustworthy than craigslist. > > But at the same time, don't discount craigslist - it's definitely an option > to investigate. Also, I don't know if NYC has this but I know here in > Portland we have something called Housing Connections which has listings of > low-cost apartments. A lot of them accept section 8 but don't require it. > Most of them simply require proof that your income is below a certain > amount. So maybe look into whether NYC has something like that. > > Also, if you are on any NYC area mailing lists or groups, NFB or otherwise, > or part of a student group for your school like a facebook page for new > students or something, these might be places to post that you're looking > for housing and people might be able to give suggestions of good buildings > or companies or warn you about the ones that aren't good. The more you put > the question out there and let people know what you're looking for, the > more likely it will be that something will come your way. > > Good luck! I love NYC and I hope this is the start to a great college > experience there! > > Chrys > > From wmodnl at hotmail.com Thu Apr 19 04:50:05 2012 From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (Wmodnl) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 00:50:05 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments In-Reply-To: <286FDD91D2AB42BFADE8DBD3C9F50A43@acerd37f251f21> References: <335C74F1BC8141FC92C2DF1A3816A9F3@klhurstl1> <32F94B91FB1A4169B471DEA0018E6A37@klhurstl1> <8E320524BA8D47BFB936291E524CB137@klhurstl1> <286FDD91D2AB42BFADE8DBD3C9F50A43@acerd37f251f21> Message-ID: Good morning. Regarding student housing, check out the following place: nystudenthousing.org. If that website is not correct, then google this physical address: 31 Lexington Avenue, New York, NY 10010. Just do not go there if you have a guide dog, they will kick you out and not talk to you. I went in to that office to obtain information last summer for a friend and no one would give me information, not even the director since they "do not have housing for you people and that they do not want dogs." Good luck. William O'Donnell, distributor Organo Gold Enterprises, INC. www.willsholistics.organogold.com Sent from my iPad On Apr 17, 2012, at 1:47 PM, Misty Dawn Bradley wrote: > Hi Keri, > You may also see if there are student apartments that are specifically for college students. Some of these may even include utilities in the rent. > Misty > ----- Original Message ----- From: "keri" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:13 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments > > >> well when i can actually get to school.... forensic psychology. >> keri >> >> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will speak my heart." >> --Robert Sexton >> >> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it." >> --Ivan Panin >> >> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:08 AM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >> >> >>> I wish you all the best. >>> So, Keri, what's your major? >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> On 4/17/12, keri wrote: > From wmodnl at hotmail.com Thu Apr 19 04:50:24 2012 From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (Wmodnl) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 00:50:24 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments In-Reply-To: <001301cd1caa$34fff4a0$1400ba43@BRIAN> References: <335C74F1BC8141FC92C2DF1A3816A9F3@klhurstl1> <001301cd1caa$34fff4a0$1400ba43@BRIAN> Message-ID: WOW, not to fully go off topic here:Last I checked, blacks and other minorities face horrible discrimination. Sadly, this and other discrimination will never go away in America. Landlords and especially the police departments will always have a bias towards "different" people. I would not sound shocked that it still goes on. People will say that you are a bit out-of-touch with reality when you give off that impression. William O'Donnell, distributor Organo Gold Enterprises, INC. www.willsholistics.organogold.com Sent from my iPad On Apr 17, 2012, at 10:56 AM, "Brian Hatgelakas" wrote: > Why would land lords discriminate against blind people? This discrimination is illegal. My girl friend is sighted but also is African American. If she was discriminated against their would be a tough law suit ahead. If the Blacks aren't discriminated against anymore why are these practices still enacted towards blind people? Those that discriminate against us should get in as much trouble as discriminating against a black person. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wmodnl" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 8:30 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments > > >> Good morning. First, are you on any of the federal housing programs like section 8? On your limited income, that is the only way you both will be able to obtain an apartment on your own. The other option would be to look for roommates to share a place. Good luck with that, when they see you are blind they are going to run! run! run! or never show an effort to share the place with you. Forget the fact that there are two of you. >> I apologize in advance for sounding cynical; however, I want to be truthful and not sugar cote the truth. Landlords in NYC as well as the rest of the USA will not want a blind person, let alone 2 b/c of liability issues, etc. >> Have a strong presentation, be ready for much rejection. Also be ready to be offered many many scams. Have someone sighted go with you to make shore that what you are being offered is really the offer. >> I remember someone being open to me and showing no issue to my blindness. When we saw the apartment, everything seemed great. However, the sighted person told me later to not take it since wholes were up high in the walls, mouse droppings were in the rugs, tiles in the bathroom and hallway were missing with exposed pipes and wires. I called the real-estate office later thanking them for insulting me as a person and there response was one of shock. The representative said in many words that he/she wanted me to be grateful for the apartment and that they were "willing to rent to a blind person" Good luck, I hope all goes well for you, and let me know what you come up with. You may want to wait on waiting lists for apartments through HUD or other programs and postpone your move to NYC for a good number of years. >> >> >> William O'Donnell, distributor >> Organo Gold Enterprises, INC. >> www.willsholistics.organogold.com >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Apr 16, 2012, at 1:34 PM, "keri" wrote: >> >>> greetings, >>> >>> My bf and I are about to move into an apartment in the New York City area.... We both live on SSI for the time being... We are in need of apartment recommendations that we can aford... We are both college students. We prefer Statin Island but are open to suggestions in the city area. >>> thanks, >>> keri >>> >>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will speak my heart." >>> --Robert Sexton >>> >>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it." >>> --Ivan Panin >>> >>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brian.hatgelakas%40verizon.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com > From wmodnl at hotmail.com Thu Apr 19 04:50:45 2012 From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (Wmodnl) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 00:50:45 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments In-Reply-To: <9587D8DBA2E54298A601B86A56F37376@Gloria> References: <335C74F1BC8141FC92C2DF1A3816A9F3@klhurstl1> <001301cd1caa$34fff4a0$1400ba43@BRIAN> <9587D8DBA2E54298A601B86A56F37376@Gloria> Message-ID: WOW! That is sheer luck. Good for you. They must have felt sorry for your or whatever. Anyway, who cares, they went the extra mile and should be commended since they can be considered the "minority" not majority. Sad but true. They must have been down-to-earth people not levitated by money as those in the 1%. Those out-of-touch people will always look at us and say: Yes, I am all for inclusion, but not in my backyard b/c they will "bring down my neighborhood." Glad to here that it was a success. William O'Donnell, distributor Organo Gold Enterprises, INC. www.willsholistics.organogold.com Sent from my iPad On Apr 17, 2012, at 11:16 AM, "Gloria G" wrote: > I have gotten apartments on my own as a blind person and have had no issues. The landlords were really open minded and willing to change certain things in the apartment to being more accessible for me like putting in a talking thermastat. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 9:59 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments > > >> The law states, that they can't discriminate against anyone, >> regardless of race, orientation, or disability. >> What's the problem? >> Someone needs to ask Mr LaBarre, to sue the landlords, in question. >> With his experience, as a lawyer, it's an easy case to win! >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 4/17/12, Brian Hatgelakas wrote: >>> Why would land lords discriminate against blind people? This discrimination >>> is illegal. My girl friend is sighted but also is African American. If she >>> was discriminated against their would be a tough law suit ahead. If the >>> Blacks aren't discriminated against anymore why are these practices still >>> enacted towards blind people? Those that discriminate against us should get >>> in as much trouble as discriminating against a black person. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Wmodnl" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 8:30 AM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments >>> >>> >>>> Good morning. First, are you on any of the federal housing programs like >>>> section 8? On your limited income, that is the only way you both will > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Apr 19 05:30:35 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 01:30:35 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] need some help Please let me know . In-Reply-To: <4f8f6b4d.036be00a.1539.359c@mx.google.com> References: <4f8f6b4d.036be00a.1539.359c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <42E9F38104A24D9BBC2EFE9E5A9B3802@OwnerPC> Chris, that is right; the maker of the computer doesn't make a computer more accessible; rather it’s the operating system and what is on it that does it. I've heard that any brand of pc from dell to Sony are usable, all have windows. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 9:32 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] need some help Please let me know . Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the maker of the computer itself (Dell, HP, etc) has anything to do with the software's accessibility with JAWS or any other screen reader. Chris Nusbaum "For we walk by faith, not by sight." 2 Corinthians 5:7 Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chelsea Page" wrote: Hello all I need some help and also some advice. I need a new computer because my net book is not working well and it is a long story. What should I be looking for? Is there a user guide or reference for a Mack some where for the different commands? I tried out a Mack tonight and I like the voice over on it but I was getting over whelm and the people did not know for sure how to help me because I am blind. Again would a pc be in my favor or a Mack? Becky Sabo _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0stud ents.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/chelseap08%40 gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From jeffanel at gmail.com Thu Apr 19 14:22:29 2012 From: jeffanel at gmail.com (jeff crouch) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 10:22:29 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Emails was Re: hello In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: HI all, I would love to meet up with many of you guys at National convention. On 4/18/12, Lea williams wrote: > Laurel, wear is it that you got your dog? I am going to go to gebs in > seven weeks. > > On 4/18/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: >> Then try it first and check later. You are starting to drive some of us on >> this list crazy with this and some of your other tactics. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joshua Lester" >> To: ; "National Association of Blind Students >> mailing >> list" >> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 8:58 AM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] hello >> >> >> I'll stop posting on this list, altogether, then. >> This is a method, to make sure they get my E-mails, because I had an >> issue with someone, on another list, who told me, that for some >> reason, my E-mails showed up in their spam, and they had to remedy >> that. >> I do this, to make sure, they get the E-mails. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 4/18/12, Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ wrote: >>> Joshua, I don't care that you're going to email her off list. Why >>> don't you just freaking do it? What's up with these lists and >>> meaningless messages anyways? >>> >>> Laurel, that's awesome about the French and Russian. I too speak >>> Russian, as well as Arabic and Hebrew. And I have a wacky black lab >>> named Abbie. If you want to know more, please email me off list. >>> >>> On 18.04.2012, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>> I'll E-mail you offlist. >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>> >>>> On 4/18/12, Laurel wrote: >>>>> Hi Joshua, yes I will. I would love to meet you there hopefully. >>>>> Laurel and Stockard >>>>> >>>>> On 4/18/12, Rania Ismail CMT wrote: >>>>>> Hi nice to meet you. My name is Rania, I live in nj and am a Certified >>>>>> Massage Therapist in the state of nj. >>>>>> Rania, >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>>> Behalf >>>>>> Of Laurel >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 11:31 AM >>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] hello >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>> I just joined this list so I wanted to take a moment to introduce >>>>>> myself. My name is Laurel. I am a 20 year old college student in the >>>>>> Dallas, TX area. I study French and Russian. I have a working guide >>>>>> dog named Stockard. Stockard is a female yellow lab from Guide Dogs >>>>>> for the Blind and she will turn 4 in September. We have been a team >>>>>> for 2 years. I hope to get to know all of you well. >>>>>> Laurel and Stockard >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co >>>>>> m >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stockard%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Nimer Jaber, IC³ and Freedom Scientific JAWS Certifications >>> >>> The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was >>> addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient, >>> please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this >>> correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents >>> by anyone other than the intended recipient may result in civil or >>> criminal action. I have checked this email and all corresponding >>> attachments for security threats. However, security of your machine is >>> up to you. Thanks. >>> >>> Registered Linux User 529141. >>> http://counter.li.org/ >>> Vinux testing and documentation coordinator >>> To get more information about a free and accessible operating system, >>> please click here: >>> http://www.vinuxproject.org >>> >>> To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP >>> and above, please click here: >>> http://www.nvda-project.org >>> >>> You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news. >>> >>> Check out my blog related to technology by clicking here: >>> http://nimertech.blogspot.com >>> >>> To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at (720) >>> (251-4530) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > > Lea Williams > > Phone; > 704-732-4470 > Skipe; > Lea.williams738 > Facebook > http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 > Twitter > http://twitter.com/LeaNicole1988 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jeffanel%40gmail.com > -- 73 kd8qiq jeff crouch From ignasicambra at gmail.com Thu Apr 19 15:46:30 2012 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 11:46:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] need some help Please let me know . In-Reply-To: <8DB7AB3FD9384F82880AB05F7C0D022D@RebeccaPC> References: <8DB7AB3FD9384F82880AB05F7C0D022D@RebeccaPC> Message-ID: <1968394677309670528@unknownmsgid> If you are willing to learn something that's not JAWS and is not trying to work similarly to JAWS in any way, then I strongly recommend a mac. Email me off list if you need any info or help. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 17, 2012, at 11:47 PM, Becky Sabo wrote: > Hello all > > I need some help and also some advice. I need a new computer because my net > book is not working well and it is a long story. What should I be looking > for? Is there a user guide or reference for a Mack some where for the > different commands? I tried out a Mack tonight and I like the voice over on > it but I was getting over whelm and the people did not know for sure how to > help me because I am blind. > > Again would a pc be in my favor or a Mack? > > Becky Sabo > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Thu Apr 19 16:34:58 2012 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:34:58 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] need some help Please let me know . References: <8DB7AB3FD9384F82880AB05F7C0D022D@RebeccaPC> <1968394677309670528@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <93E75696762E44518F569CA7069EF281@stanford.edu> Before buying a Mac, I would use one for at least a week if it is possible to do so. Navigating on the Mac with voiceover is very different from using JAWS or other screen readers on windows. Some people can adjust to it, but, personally, it drives me crazy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ignasi Cambra" To: ; "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] need some help Please let me know . > If you are willing to learn something that's not JAWS and is not > trying to work similarly to JAWS in any way, then I strongly recommend > a mac. Email me off list if you need any info or help. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 17, 2012, at 11:47 PM, Becky Sabo wrote: > >> Hello all >> >> I need some help and also some advice. I need a new computer because my >> net >> book is not working well and it is a long story. What should I be >> looking >> for? Is there a user guide or reference for a Mack some where for the >> different commands? I tried out a Mack tonight and I like the voice over >> on >> it but I was getting over whelm and the people did not know for sure how >> to >> help me because I am blind. >> >> Again would a pc be in my favor or a Mack? >> >> Becky Sabo >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com From laurel.stockard at gmail.com Thu Apr 19 16:48:40 2012 From: laurel.stockard at gmail.com (Laurel) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 11:48:40 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Emails was Re: hello In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Lee, I went to GDB. GEB is a good school, I've heard good things about it. I would love to meet y'all at the national convention too! Laurel and Stockard On 4/19/12, jeff crouch wrote: > HI all, I would love to meet up with many of you guys at National > convention. > > On 4/18/12, Lea williams wrote: >> Laurel, wear is it that you got your dog? I am going to go to gebs in >> seven weeks. >> >> On 4/18/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: >>> Then try it first and check later. You are starting to drive some of us >>> on >>> this list crazy with this and some of your other tactics. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Joshua Lester" >>> To: ; "National Association of Blind Students >>> mailing >>> list" >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 8:58 AM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] hello >>> >>> >>> I'll stop posting on this list, altogether, then. >>> This is a method, to make sure they get my E-mails, because I had an >>> issue with someone, on another list, who told me, that for some >>> reason, my E-mails showed up in their spam, and they had to remedy >>> that. >>> I do this, to make sure, they get the E-mails. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 4/18/12, Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ wrote: >>>> Joshua, I don't care that you're going to email her off list. Why >>>> don't you just freaking do it? What's up with these lists and >>>> meaningless messages anyways? >>>> >>>> Laurel, that's awesome about the French and Russian. I too speak >>>> Russian, as well as Arabic and Hebrew. And I have a wacky black lab >>>> named Abbie. If you want to know more, please email me off list. >>>> >>>> On 18.04.2012, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>>> I'll E-mail you offlist. >>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>> >>>>> On 4/18/12, Laurel wrote: >>>>>> Hi Joshua, yes I will. I would love to meet you there hopefully. >>>>>> Laurel and Stockard >>>>>> >>>>>> On 4/18/12, Rania Ismail CMT wrote: >>>>>>> Hi nice to meet you. My name is Rania, I live in nj and am a >>>>>>> Certified >>>>>>> Massage Therapist in the state of nj. >>>>>>> Rania, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>>>> Behalf >>>>>>> Of Laurel >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 11:31 AM >>>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] hello >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>> I just joined this list so I wanted to take a moment to introduce >>>>>>> myself. My name is Laurel. I am a 20 year old college student in the >>>>>>> Dallas, TX area. I study French and Russian. I have a working guide >>>>>>> dog named Stockard. Stockard is a female yellow lab from Guide Dogs >>>>>>> for the Blind and she will turn 4 in September. We have been a team >>>>>>> for 2 years. I hope to get to know all of you well. >>>>>>> Laurel and Stockard >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co >>>>>>> m >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stockard%40gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Nimer Jaber, IC³ and Freedom Scientific JAWS Certifications >>>> >>>> The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was >>>> addressed. 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I am the only sight impaired student represented. I wanted to ask those on the list if you could share some challenges you face on campus and in the classroom that faculty and administrators should know. Thanks, Osmond From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Thu Apr 19 17:48:08 2012 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 13:48:08 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Question for blind students In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: A big challenge I face is the accessibility of worksheets. some teachers put electronic versions of worksheets and hand-outs on Blackboard, but others don't and the papers don't scan well, and others put them on Blackboard but they are in a pdf file that is not accessible. Convincing them to take the extra effort to make hand-outs and worksheets accessible is a major issue for me. Another challenge is getting around the campus. Most of the rooms are labelled in Braille, but a few are not, and there are few landmarks to find my way from building to building. Maybe I just need better O&M, but I get lost going from building to building at least once a week and have to rely on the help of others to get me where I need to go. A further challenge is powerpoint presentations. Many professors use powerpoints, and some are fully accessible to me, but there are others that the text is in a picture that is pasted intot hte slide, and this makes the entire slide inaccessible to the blind. There was also the professor who had the text in the notes section so that I had to go back and forth between the slide and the notes section, using three or four extra keystrokes per slide. This may not seem like much, but three or four key strokes times thirty slides really makes a difference. Then there are the simple things. The cafeteria has no Braille menus, the soda machines don't have Braille (yet!), and some of the bathrooms are even without Braille markings. Those are just a few of the challenges I face as a blind student on a college campus, but I hope that helps you! ~Jewel On 4/19/12, Osmond Kwan wrote: > Dear All, > > I was just invited to give a ten minute presentation to an audience of > faculty and administrators about the challenges sight impaired > individuals face in the classroom and on campus. I am the only sight > impaired student represented. I wanted to ask those on the list if you > could share some challenges you face on campus and in the classroom > that faculty and administrators should know. > > Thanks, > Osmond > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > From zach2012 at chickerland.com Thu Apr 19 19:26:52 2012 From: zach2012 at chickerland.com (Zach) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 13:26:52 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Question for blind students In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: mobility and getting access to some documents. Zach Griego-Dreicer Email: zach2012 at chickerland.com Skype and Twitter: Chickerland Facebook profile: http://www.facebook.com/chickerland or find me using this email address. -----Original Message----- From: Osmond Kwan Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 11:36 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Question for blind students Dear All, I was just invited to give a ten minute presentation to an audience of faculty and administrators about the challenges sight impaired individuals face in the classroom and on campus. I am the only sight impaired student represented. I wanted to ask those on the list if you could share some challenges you face on campus and in the classroom that faculty and administrators should know. Thanks, Osmond _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zach2012%40chickerland.com From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Thu Apr 19 19:42:42 2012 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 12:42:42 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Question for blind students References: Message-ID: When are you giving the presentation? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Osmond Kwan" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 10:36 AM Subject: [nabs-l] Question for blind students > Dear All, > > I was just invited to give a ten minute presentation to an audience of > faculty and administrators about the challenges sight impaired > individuals face in the classroom and on campus. I am the only sight > impaired student represented. I wanted to ask those on the list if you > could share some challenges you face on campus and in the classroom > that faculty and administrators should know. > > Thanks, > Osmond > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com From mistydbradley at gmail.com Thu Apr 19 19:45:18 2012 From: mistydbradley at gmail.com (Misty Dawn Bradley) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 15:45:18 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Question for blind students References: Message-ID: <1369A11F7CD74ABFA6F7F39E050E8698@acerd37f251f21> Hi, I think the biggest challenge is getting things, such as books, assignments, and exams in accessible format. This includes online materials, because some instructors use software or websites that are not accessible with screen readers. An example of this is the Pearson Education site. I took an economics course one time in college where the instructor used this site, and I ended up dropping out of the class, because all assignments and quizzes were on this site and used Flash Player, so it was completely inaccessible. Also, the instructor did not try to make it more accessible and kept telling me to do all of the assignments and quizzes at the disability services office, although I specifically was taking online classes due to my schedule and family obligations. Thanks, Misty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zach" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question for blind students > mobility and getting access to some documents. > > > > Zach Griego-Dreicer > Email: zach2012 at chickerland.com > Skype and Twitter: Chickerland > Facebook profile: http://www.facebook.com/chickerland or find me using > this email address. > -----Original Message----- > From: Osmond Kwan > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 11:36 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Question for blind students > > Dear All, > > I was just invited to give a ten minute presentation to an audience of > faculty and administrators about the challenges sight impaired > individuals face in the classroom and on campus. I am the only sight > impaired student represented. I wanted to ask those on the list if you > could share some challenges you face on campus and in the classroom > that faculty and administrators should know. > > Thanks, > Osmond > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zach2012%40chickerland.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com From osmond81 at gmail.com Thu Apr 19 21:54:19 2012 From: osmond81 at gmail.com (Osmond Kwan) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 17:54:19 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Question for blind students In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks to those who have responded so far. My presentation is tomorrow morning during the 9:00 hour. Other disabilities are also represented. It is primarily a personal sharing about our experiences, but I want to also get some feedback from the list. I agree with the campus layout being somewhat hard to navigate and challenges with handouts and online material. I meant to ask this in my original e-mail, but has anyone had positive experiences with faculty, staff, classroom and campus? Thanks, Osmond On 4/19/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: > When are you giving the presentation? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Osmond Kwan" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 10:36 AM > Subject: [nabs-l] Question for blind students > > >> Dear All, >> >> I was just invited to give a ten minute presentation to an audience of >> faculty and administrators about the challenges sight impaired >> individuals face in the classroom and on campus. I am the only sight >> impaired student represented. I wanted to ask those on the list if you >> could share some challenges you face on campus and in the classroom >> that faculty and administrators should know. >> >> Thanks, >> Osmond >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/osmond81%40gmail.com > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Thu Apr 19 22:00:10 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 17:00:10 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Question for blind students In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Faculty and staff have never given me problems, at my college. The layout, and the fact that the Braille on the signs, for each class, isn't informative enough, have been my main problems. The rooms are labeled, "Classroom," and "Office," but the room number is labeled, in Print. Why not label the room numbers, in Braille? This makes my traveling on campus, difficult! Blessings, Joshua On 4/19/12, Osmond Kwan wrote: > Thanks to those who have responded so far. > > My presentation is tomorrow morning during the 9:00 hour. Other > disabilities are also represented. > > It is primarily a personal sharing about our experiences, but I want > to also get some feedback from the list. > > I agree with the campus layout being somewhat hard to navigate and > challenges with handouts and online material. > > I meant to ask this in my original e-mail, but has anyone had positive > experiences with faculty, staff, classroom and campus? > > Thanks, > Osmond > > > > > > On 4/19/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: >> When are you giving the presentation? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Osmond Kwan" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 10:36 AM >> Subject: [nabs-l] Question for blind students >> >> >>> Dear All, >>> >>> I was just invited to give a ten minute presentation to an audience of >>> faculty and administrators about the challenges sight impaired >>> individuals face in the classroom and on campus. I am the only sight >>> impaired student represented. I wanted to ask those on the list if you >>> could share some challenges you face on campus and in the classroom >>> that faculty and administrators should know. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Osmond >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/osmond81%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From gloria.graves at gmail.com Thu Apr 19 22:40:09 2012 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 17:40:09 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Question for blind students References: Message-ID: <1BA5340518B4411985006C59385A0316@Gloria> hows it going? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 5:00 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question for blind students > Faculty and staff have never given me problems, at my college. > The layout, and the fact that the Braille on the signs, for each > class, isn't informative enough, have been my main problems. > The rooms are labeled, "Classroom," and "Office," but the room number > is labeled, in Print. > Why not label the room numbers, in Braille? > This makes my traveling on campus, difficult! > Blessings, Joshua > > On 4/19/12, Osmond Kwan wrote: >> Thanks to those who have responded so far. >> >> My presentation is tomorrow morning during the 9:00 hour. Other >> disabilities are also represented. >> >> It is primarily a personal sharing about our experiences, but I want >> to also get some feedback from the list. >> >> I agree with the campus layout being somewhat hard to navigate and >> challenges with handouts and online material. >> >> I meant to ask this in my original e-mail, but has anyone had positive >> experiences with faculty, staff, classroom and campus? >> >> Thanks, >> Osmond >> >> >> >> >> >> On 4/19/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: >>> When are you giving the presentation? >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Osmond Kwan" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 10:36 AM >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Question for blind students >>> >>> >>>> Dear All, >>>> >>>> I was just invited to give a ten minute presentation to an audience of >>>> faculty and administrators about the challenges sight impaired >>>> individuals face in the classroom and on campus. I am the only sight >>>> impaired student represented. I wanted to ask those on the list if you >>>> could share some challenges you face on campus and in the classroom >>>> that faculty and administrators should know. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Osmond >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/osmond81%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Thu Apr 19 22:44:22 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 17:44:22 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Question for blind students In-Reply-To: <1BA5340518B4411985006C59385A0316@Gloria> References: <1BA5340518B4411985006C59385A0316@Gloria> Message-ID: It's going great! I'm glad finals will be over, and I get to be home, instead of constantly leaving for school! I've finally won a huge victory with my Rehab, which was the only problem I was having in college, (putting this message back on topic.) I'll have my books in Braille, and I'll also have a notetaker, so some of my challenges will be alleviated. Blessings, Joshua On 4/19/12, Gloria G wrote: > hows it going? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 5:00 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question for blind students > > >> Faculty and staff have never given me problems, at my college. >> The layout, and the fact that the Braille on the signs, for each >> class, isn't informative enough, have been my main problems. >> The rooms are labeled, "Classroom," and "Office," but the room number >> is labeled, in Print. >> Why not label the room numbers, in Braille? >> This makes my traveling on campus, difficult! >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 4/19/12, Osmond Kwan wrote: >>> Thanks to those who have responded so far. >>> >>> My presentation is tomorrow morning during the 9:00 hour. Other >>> disabilities are also represented. >>> >>> It is primarily a personal sharing about our experiences, but I want >>> to also get some feedback from the list. >>> >>> I agree with the campus layout being somewhat hard to navigate and >>> challenges with handouts and online material. >>> >>> I meant to ask this in my original e-mail, but has anyone had positive >>> experiences with faculty, staff, classroom and campus? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Osmond >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 4/19/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: >>>> When are you giving the presentation? >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Osmond Kwan" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 10:36 AM >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Question for blind students >>>> >>>> >>>>> Dear All, >>>>> >>>>> I was just invited to give a ten minute presentation to an audience of >>>>> faculty and administrators about the challenges sight impaired >>>>> individuals face in the classroom and on campus. I am the only sight >>>>> impaired student represented. I wanted to ask those on the list if you >>>>> could share some challenges you face on campus and in the classroom >>>>> that faculty and administrators should know. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Osmond >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/osmond81%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Apr 19 22:48:31 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 18:48:31 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] hello Message-ID: <4f90966b.c4c0e00a.6c9a.fffff85a@mx.google.com> Just because Nimer made that comment doesn't mean you have to stop posting to the list altogether! As to your spam folder issue, try sending the email, and if they reply to you, that means they got it. Chris Nusbaum "For we walk by faith, not by sight." 2 Corinthians 5:7 Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Joshua, I don't care that you're going to email her off list. Why don't you just freaking do it? What's up with these lists and meaningless messages anyways? Laurel, that's awesome about the French and Russian. I too speak Russian, as well as Arabic and Hebrew. And I have a wacky black lab named Abbie. If you want to know more, please email me off list. On 18.04.2012, Joshua Lester wrote: I'll E-mail you offlist. Blessings, Joshua On 4/18/12, Laurel wrote: Hi Joshua, yes I will. I would love to meet you there hopefully. Laurel and Stockard On 4/18/12, Rania Ismail CMT wrote: Hi nice to meet you. My name is Rania, I live in nj and am a Certified Massage Therapist in the state of nj. Rania, -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Laurel Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 11:31 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] hello Hi all, I just joined this list so I wanted to take a moment to introduce myself. My name is Laurel. I am a 20 year old college student in the Dallas, TX area. I study French and Russian. I have a working guide dog named Stockard. Stockard is a female yellow lab from Guide Dogs for the Blind and she will turn 4 in September. We have been a team for 2 years. I hope to get to know all of you well. Laurel and Stockard _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04 %40gmail.co m _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stocka rd%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%4 0gmail.com -- Nimer Jaber, IC³ and Freedom Scientific JAWS Certifications The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient, please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents by anyone other than the intended recipient may result in civil or criminal action. I have checked this email and all corresponding attachments for security threats. However, security of your machine is up to you. Thanks. Registered Linux User 529141. http://counter.li.org/ Vinux testing and documentation coordinator To get more information about a free and accessible operating system, please click here: http://www.vinuxproject.org To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP and above, please click here: http://www.nvda-project.org You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news. Check out my blog related to technology by clicking here: http://nimertech.blogspot.com To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at (720) (251-4530) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Apr 19 22:48:15 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 18:48:15 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] hello Message-ID: <4f90965c.c4c0e00a.6c9a.fffff847@mx.google.com> Hi Laurel, Welcome to the list!! I hope you enjoy this list, and find it useful, as I have! Please feel free to ask any questions here that you might have about blindness! This list is a great network of resources, so I encourage you to use it to your advantage! I see that you live in the Dallas area! If you will be going to our national convention this summer, I'd love to meet you; I will be in the MD delegation! Again, welcome to the list! Chris Nusbaum "For we walk by faith, not by sight." 2 Corinthians 5:7 Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Laurel Hey Joshua, Just a request. If you're going to email someone off-list, please just email them off-list instead of writing a separate email to the list announcing you're going to email somebody off-list. This list is already pretty high-traffic, and you're reducing the traffic by emailing somebody off-list, but you could easily reduce it further by just emailing the person off-list without the reply to their on-list email saying simply, "I'll email you off-list." Don't worry about them seeing your email off-list if you don't previously announce on-list that you will email them; if they see your message saying you're going to email them off-list, they're checking their email and they'll see any email you send to them, whether it be on-list or off. Just a request. Thanks, Chris Chris Nusbaum "For we walk by faith, not by sight." 2 Corinthians 5:7 Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Hi Joshua, yes I will. I would love to meet you there hopefully. Laurel and Stockard On 4/18/12, Rania Ismail CMT wrote: Hi nice to meet you. My name is Rania, I live in nj and am a Certified Massage Therapist in the state of nj. Rania, -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Laurel Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 11:31 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] hello Hi all, I just joined this list so I wanted to take a moment to introduce myself. My name is Laurel. I am a 20 year old college student in the Dallas, TX area. I study French and Russian. I have a working guide dog named Stockard. Stockard is a female yellow lab from Guide Dogs for the Blind and she will turn 4 in September. We have been a team for 2 years. I hope to get to know all of you well. Laurel and Stockard _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04 %40gmail.co m _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stocka rd%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Apr 19 22:48:33 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 18:48:33 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] NATIONAL CONVENTION DELEGATIONS AND nfb training centers was Re: hello Message-ID: <4f90966d.c4c0e00a.6c9a.fffff85d@mx.google.com> This thread got me thinking. I'm going to national convention with the Louisiana Center of the Blind (LCB.) So, will I still be able to sit in the Maryland delegation (I'm from Maryled,) or will I need to be in the LA delegation? Chris Nusbaum "For we walk by faith, not by sight." 2 Corinthians 5:7 Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Laurel wrote: Hi nice to meet you. My name is Rania, I live in nj and am a Certified Massage Therapist in the state of nj. Rania, -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Laurel Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 11:31 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] hello Hi all, I just joined this list so I wanted to take a moment to introduce myself. My name is Laurel. I am a 20 year old college student in the Dallas, TX area. I study French and Russian. I have a working guide dog named Stockard. Stockard is a female yellow lab from Guide Dogs for the Blind and she will turn 4 in September. We have been a team for 2 years. I hope to get to know all of you well. Laurel and Stockard _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04 %40gmail.co m _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stocka rd%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Apr 19 22:48:20 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 18:48:20 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] hello Message-ID: <4f909660.c4c0e00a.6c9a.fffff84e@mx.google.com> Hi Nimer, I think what happens sometimes is this. This list and all other NFB lists, as well as most other lists, is set up so that when a person replies to an email from the list, it goes to the list by default unless the sender of the email goes back in and changes the "to" email address. So they reply to the email, hit send, and don't think about whether their email will be of any meaning to the list as a whole. It's very easy to do; I do it a lot, especially when I'm using Outlook on my PC. All I have to do is hit control r, write the message body, and hit alt s, and it's sent. A lot of times, I forget to go back in and change the recipient email address. That's why you see so many emails from me sometimes, apart from the fact that I'm just an opinionated and talkative person who finds myself with a lot to say, and sometimes I just don't shut up! * Smile! Chris Nusbaum "For we walk by faith, not by sight." 2 Corinthians 5:7 Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ wrote: I'll E-mail you offlist. Blessings, Joshua On 4/18/12, Laurel wrote: Hi Joshua, yes I will. I would love to meet you there hopefully. Laurel and Stockard On 4/18/12, Rania Ismail CMT wrote: Hi nice to meet you. My name is Rania, I live in nj and am a Certified Massage Therapist in the state of nj. Rania, -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Laurel Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 11:31 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] hello Hi all, I just joined this list so I wanted to take a moment to introduce myself. My name is Laurel. I am a 20 year old college student in the Dallas, TX area. I study French and Russian. I have a working guide dog named Stockard. Stockard is a female yellow lab from Guide Dogs for the Blind and she will turn 4 in September. We have been a team for 2 years. I hope to get to know all of you well. Laurel and Stockard _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04 %40gmail.co m _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stocka rd%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%4 0gmail.com -- Nimer Jaber, IC³ and Freedom Scientific JAWS Certifications The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient, please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents by anyone other than the intended recipient may result in civil or criminal action. I have checked this email and all corresponding attachments for security threats. However, security of your machine is up to you. Thanks. Registered Linux User 529141. http://counter.li.org/ Vinux testing and documentation coordinator To get more information about a free and accessible operating system, please click here: http://www.vinuxproject.org To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP and above, please click here: http://www.nvda-project.org You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news. Check out my blog related to technology by clicking here: http://nimertech.blogspot.com To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at (720) (251-4530) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Apr 19 22:48:23 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 18:48:23 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] hello Message-ID: <4f909663.c4c0e00a.6c9a.fffff851@mx.google.com> I've seen this same spam email that got posted to this list yesterday before. Every time, it came from friends of mine who would never spam people, especially people they know. This email is generated by some hacker who hacks people's email accounts then sends spam emails to everybody in the victim's address book in the hopes that the recipients will click on the link, which will probably make your computer get a virus. Prescilla had no control over this! Kaiser's spam, however, was different; he clearly wrote the emails, and manually sent them to the lists he wanted to send them to. A hacker or a hacker's computer wouldn't probably know to send some spam email which also had something to do with blindness to NFB lists, so Kaiser did write those emails, in my estimation. There's also a member of this list and a friend of mine who can confirm that Alex Kaiser is, in fact, real and a blind person, as they both went to CCB twice. Chris Nusbaum "For we walk by faith, not by sight." 2 Corinthians 5:7 Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Joshua, ther is no need to be overdramatic. I didn't and wouldn't ever tell someone they can't post to a list, and even if I wanted to I'm not the moderator of this list. It's just that pointless one-line messages add up, especially for some of us that follow or try to follow multiple lists. Thanks. On 18.04.2012, Beth wrote: Aww, the dog must be really cute. GDB is famous for Roselle, the American Hero Dog award winner. I might consider getting a dog from there too. My name is Beth, and I recently as two years ago to Denver, Colorado. I love the city and I wish I were always walking around the city more often. have fun! Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: Laurel References: <4f90966b.c4c0e00a.6c9a.fffff85a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Chris: It was sarchasm, to kind of explain the method, that I mentioned in that same post, to make sure someone got my E-mail. Blessings, Joshua It's all okay. Blessings, Joshua On 4/19/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Just because Nimer made that comment doesn't mean you have to > stop posting to the list altogether! As to your spam folder > issue, try sending the email, and if they reply to you, that > means they got it. > Chris Nusbaum > > "For we walk by faith, not by sight." > 2 Corinthians 5:7 > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: nimerjaber1 at gmail.com, National Association of Blind Students > mailing list sent: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 10:58:54 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] hello > > I'll stop posting on this list, altogether, then. > This is a method, to make sure they get my E-mails, because I had > an > issue with someone, on another list, who told me, that for some > reason, my E-mails showed up in their spam, and they had to > remedy > that. > I do this, to make sure, they get the E-mails. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 4/18/12, Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ wrote: > Joshua, I don't care that you're going to email her off list. > Why > don't you just freaking do it? What's up with these lists and > meaningless messages anyways? > > Laurel, that's awesome about the French and Russian. I too > speak > Russian, as well as Arabic and Hebrew. And I have a wacky black > lab > named Abbie. If you want to know more, please email me off > list. > > On 18.04.2012, Joshua Lester > wrote: > I'll E-mail you offlist. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 4/18/12, Laurel wrote: > Hi Joshua, yes I will. I would love to meet you there > hopefully. > Laurel and Stockard > > On 4/18/12, Rania Ismail CMT wrote: > Hi nice to meet you. My name is Rania, I live in nj and am a > Certified > Massage Therapist in the state of nj. > Rania, > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Laurel > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 11:31 AM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] hello > > Hi all, > I just joined this list so I wanted to take a moment to > introduce > myself. My name is Laurel. I am a 20 year old college student > in the > Dallas, TX area. I study French and Russian. I have a working > guide > dog named Stockard. Stockard is a female yellow lab from Guide > Dogs > for the Blind and she will turn 4 in September. We have been a > team > for 2 years. I hope to get to know all of you well. > Laurel and Stockard > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04 > %40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stocka > rd%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%4 > 0gmail.com > > > > -- > Nimer Jaber, IC³ and Freedom Scientific JAWS Certifications > > The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was > addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended > recipient, > please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this > correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its > contents > by anyone other than the intended recipient may result in civil > or > criminal action. I have checked this email and all > corresponding > attachments for security threats. However, security of your > machine is > up to you. Thanks. > > Registered Linux User 529141. > http://counter.li.org/ > Vinux testing and documentation coordinator > To get more information about a free and accessible operating > system, > please click here: > http://www.vinuxproject.org > > To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows > XP > and above, please click here: > http://www.nvda-project.org > > You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology > news. > > Check out my blog related to technology by clicking here: > http://nimertech.blogspot.com > > To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at > (720) > (251-4530) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Thu Apr 19 22:55:45 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 17:55:45 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] hello In-Reply-To: <4f909660.c4c0e00a.6c9a.fffff84e@mx.google.com> References: <4f909660.c4c0e00a.6c9a.fffff84e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Also, I send them a notice on the list, so they'll know, that when I E-mail them, it's someone from the list. Blessings, Joshua On 4/19/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi Nimer, > > I think what happens sometimes is this. This list and all other > NFB lists, as well as most other lists, is set up so that when a > person replies to an email from the list, it goes to the list by > default unless the sender of the email goes back in and changes > the "to" email address. So they reply to the email, hit send, > and don't think about whether their email will be of any meaning > to the list as a whole. It's very easy to do; I do it a lot, > especially when I'm using Outlook on my PC. All I have to do is > hit control r, write the message body, and hit alt s, and it's > sent. A lot of times, I forget to go back in and change the > recipient email address. That's why you see so many emails from > me sometimes, apart from the fact that I'm just an opinionated > and talkative person who finds myself with a lot to say, and > sometimes I just don't shut up! * Smile! > > Chris Nusbaum > > "For we walk by faith, not by sight." > 2 Corinthians 5:7 > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > sent: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 11:45:53 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] hello > > Joshua, I don't care that you're going to email her off list. > Why > don't you just freaking do it? What's up with these lists and > meaningless messages anyways? > > Laurel, that's awesome about the French and Russian. I too speak > Russian, as well as Arabic and Hebrew. And I have a wacky black > lab > named Abbie. If you want to know more, please email me off list. > > On 18.04.2012, Joshua Lester > wrote: > I'll E-mail you offlist. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 4/18/12, Laurel wrote: > Hi Joshua, yes I will. I would love to meet you there > hopefully. > Laurel and Stockard > > On 4/18/12, Rania Ismail CMT wrote: > Hi nice to meet you. My name is Rania, I live in nj and am a > Certified > Massage Therapist in the state of nj. > Rania, > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Laurel > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 11:31 AM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] hello > > Hi all, > I just joined this list so I wanted to take a moment to > introduce > myself. My name is Laurel. I am a 20 year old college student > in the > Dallas, TX area. I study French and Russian. I have a working > guide > dog named Stockard. Stockard is a female yellow lab from Guide > Dogs > for the Blind and she will turn 4 in September. We have been a > team > for 2 years. I hope to get to know all of you well. > Laurel and Stockard > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04 > %40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stocka > rd%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%4 > 0gmail.com > > > > -- > Nimer Jaber, IC³ and Freedom Scientific JAWS Certifications > > The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was > addressed. 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Thanks. > > Registered Linux User 529141. > http://counter.li.org/ > Vinux testing and documentation coordinator > To get more information about a free and accessible operating > system, > please click here: > http://www.vinuxproject.org > > To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows > XP > and above, please click here: > http://www.nvda-project.org > > You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology > news. > > Check out my blog related to technology by clicking here: > http://nimertech.blogspot.com > > To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at > (720) > (251-4530) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From arielle71 at gmail.com Fri Apr 20 00:29:43 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 18:29:43 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] hello In-Reply-To: References: <4f909660.c4c0e00a.6c9a.fffff84e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Laurel, Welcome to the list. My name is Arielle Silverman and I'm a blind psychology doctoral student in Boulder, CO. I have also been around the National Association of Blind Students (NABS) for many years and have served as a member of the NABS board of directors, vice-president and president of NABS. I am not sure if you have been in contact with anyone from the NABS leadership or if you are connected with the Texas Association of Blind Students, but if not, I would encourage you to go to www.nabslink.org to check out what NABS is up to and www.nfb-texas.org to find out how to get in touch with the Texas student division and/or your local NFB chapter. I am also available if you have any questions about NABS in general; you can email me at arielle71 at gmail.com or email the current NABS president, Sean Whalen, at nabs.president at gmail.com I'm very glad you will be joining us at the national convention, and there should be several student-oriented events throughout the week which will be announced on this listserv. Welcome! Arielle On 4/19/12, Joshua Lester wrote: > Also, I send them a notice on the list, so they'll know, that when I > E-mail them, it's someone from the list. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 4/19/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> Hi Nimer, >> >> I think what happens sometimes is this. This list and all other >> NFB lists, as well as most other lists, is set up so that when a >> person replies to an email from the list, it goes to the list by >> default unless the sender of the email goes back in and changes >> the "to" email address. So they reply to the email, hit send, >> and don't think about whether their email will be of any meaning >> to the list as a whole. It's very easy to do; I do it a lot, >> especially when I'm using Outlook on my PC. All I have to do is >> hit control r, write the message body, and hit alt s, and it's >> sent. A lot of times, I forget to go back in and change the >> recipient email address. That's why you see so many emails from >> me sometimes, apart from the fact that I'm just an opinionated >> and talkative person who finds myself with a lot to say, and >> sometimes I just don't shut up! * Smile! >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> "For we walk by faith, not by sight." >> 2 Corinthians 5:7 >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > sent: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 11:45:53 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] hello >> >> Joshua, I don't care that you're going to email her off list. >> Why >> don't you just freaking do it? What's up with these lists and >> meaningless messages anyways? >> >> Laurel, that's awesome about the French and Russian. I too speak >> Russian, as well as Arabic and Hebrew. And I have a wacky black >> lab >> named Abbie. If you want to know more, please email me off list. >> >> On 18.04.2012, Joshua Lester >> wrote: >> I'll E-mail you offlist. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 4/18/12, Laurel wrote: >> Hi Joshua, yes I will. I would love to meet you there >> hopefully. >> Laurel and Stockard >> >> On 4/18/12, Rania Ismail CMT wrote: >> Hi nice to meet you. My name is Rania, I live in nj and am a >> Certified >> Massage Therapist in the state of nj. >> Rania, >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Laurel >> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 11:31 AM >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] hello >> >> Hi all, >> I just joined this list so I wanted to take a moment to >> introduce >> myself. My name is Laurel. I am a 20 year old college student >> in the >> Dallas, TX area. I study French and Russian. I have a working >> guide >> dog named Stockard. Stockard is a female yellow lab from Guide >> Dogs >> for the Blind and she will turn 4 in September. We have been a >> team >> for 2 years. I hope to get to know all of you well. >> Laurel and Stockard >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04 >> %40gmail.co >> m >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stocka >> rd%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >> 0students.pccua.edu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%4 >> 0gmail.com >> >> >> >> -- >> Nimer Jaber, IC³ and Freedom Scientific JAWS Certifications >> >> The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was >> addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended >> recipient, >> please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this >> correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its >> contents >> by anyone other than the intended recipient may result in civil >> or >> criminal action. I have checked this email and all corresponding >> attachments for security threats. However, security of your >> machine is >> up to you. Thanks. >> >> Registered Linux User 529141. >> http://counter.li.org/ >> Vinux testing and documentation coordinator >> To get more information about a free and accessible operating >> system, >> please click here: >> http://www.vinuxproject.org >> >> To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows >> XP >> and above, please click here: >> http://www.nvda-project.org >> >> You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology >> news. >> >> Check out my blog related to technology by clicking here: >> http://nimertech.blogspot.com >> >> To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at >> (720) >> (251-4530) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >> m%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From arielle71 at gmail.com Fri Apr 20 01:17:27 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 19:17:27 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] NATIONAL CONVENTION DELEGATIONS AND nfb training centers was Re: hello In-Reply-To: <4f90966d.c4c0e00a.6c9a.fffff85d@mx.google.com> References: <4f90966d.c4c0e00a.6c9a.fffff85d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Chris, Generally when students attend the summer programs at centers like LCB, they are required to all sit together in the center's delegation (Louisiana in your case) during sessions. You may, however, be able to make plans to meet up with people you know in Maryland, if you discuss it beforehand with your counselors. Best, Arielle On 4/19/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > This thread got me thinking. I'm going to national convention > with the Louisiana Center of the Blind (LCB.) So, will I still be > able to sit in the Maryland delegation (I'm from Maryled,) or > will I need to be in the LA delegation? > > Chris Nusbaum > > "For we walk by faith, not by sight." > 2 Corinthians 5:7 > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Laurel To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > sent: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 10:39:17 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] hello > > Hi Joshua, yes I will. I would love to meet you there hopefully. > Laurel and Stockard > > On 4/18/12, Rania Ismail CMT wrote: > Hi nice to meet you. My name is Rania, I live in nj and am a > Certified > Massage Therapist in the state of nj. > Rania, > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Laurel > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 11:31 AM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] hello > > Hi all, > I just joined this list so I wanted to take a moment to > introduce > myself. My name is Laurel. I am a 20 year old college student > in the > Dallas, TX area. I study French and Russian. I have a working > guide > dog named Stockard. Stockard is a female yellow lab from Guide > Dogs > for the Blind and she will turn 4 in September. We have been a > team > for 2 years. I hope to get to know all of you well. > Laurel and Stockard > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04 > %40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stocka > rd%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From arielle71 at gmail.com Fri Apr 20 01:40:11 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 19:40:11 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Question for blind students In-Reply-To: References: <1BA5340518B4411985006C59385A0316@Gloria> Message-ID: Hi Osmond, Good question. I think in general when giving these presentations, it's important to try and be balanced and share both good experiences we have in school and challenging experiences we would like to ask faculty and administrators to help us make easier for all. Sometimes the people who request presentations about disability want to focus on the challenges, but that really only gives half the picture. I can share one particular positive experience I had with an instructor. This was in my biology undergrad program when I took organic chemistry. All students were required to buy and use three-dimensional modeling sets to model molecules. However, my professor went above and beyond by meeting with me during his office hours to show me 3-D models of the 2-D pictures he was showing in his lecture slides. He even gave me exams with 3-D models instead of pictures; handing me a model and asking me to name the molecule, for example. Because of this simple accommodation and my prof's willingness to work with me a little bit outside of class, I earned an A- in the course and actually enjoyed it. It was such a simple accommodation and something many professors could implement on their own. I would talk about things like that, and for negative things, just pick one or two that the faculty can work with you to improve. I'd be most inclined to complain about course website inaccessibility if that's an issue, because instructors do have power to choose what course platforms they use and to boycott inaccessible ones. Some other simple things might be providing emailed handouts when requested and installing or fixing Braille signage in classroom buildings. Tricky campus layouts and construction, though irritating, are much harder for a campus to fix, and unfortunately these things are kind of just part of life. Best, Arielle On 4/19/12, Joshua Lester wrote: > It's going great! > I'm glad finals will be over, and I get to be home, instead of > constantly leaving for school! > I've finally won a huge victory with my Rehab, which was the only > problem I was having in college, (putting this message back on topic.) > I'll have my books in Braille, and I'll also have a notetaker, so some > of my challenges will be alleviated. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 4/19/12, Gloria G wrote: >> hows it going? >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joshua Lester" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 5:00 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question for blind students >> >> >>> Faculty and staff have never given me problems, at my college. >>> The layout, and the fact that the Braille on the signs, for each >>> class, isn't informative enough, have been my main problems. >>> The rooms are labeled, "Classroom," and "Office," but the room number >>> is labeled, in Print. >>> Why not label the room numbers, in Braille? >>> This makes my traveling on campus, difficult! >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 4/19/12, Osmond Kwan wrote: >>>> Thanks to those who have responded so far. >>>> >>>> My presentation is tomorrow morning during the 9:00 hour. Other >>>> disabilities are also represented. >>>> >>>> It is primarily a personal sharing about our experiences, but I want >>>> to also get some feedback from the list. >>>> >>>> I agree with the campus layout being somewhat hard to navigate and >>>> challenges with handouts and online material. >>>> >>>> I meant to ask this in my original e-mail, but has anyone had positive >>>> experiences with faculty, staff, classroom and campus? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Osmond >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 4/19/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home >>>> wrote: >>>>> When are you giving the presentation? >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Osmond Kwan" >>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 10:36 AM >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Question for blind students >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Dear All, >>>>>> >>>>>> I was just invited to give a ten minute presentation to an audience of >>>>>> faculty and administrators about the challenges sight impaired >>>>>> individuals face in the classroom and on campus. I am the only sight >>>>>> impaired student represented. I wanted to ask those on the list if you >>>>>> could share some challenges you face on campus and in the classroom >>>>>> that faculty and administrators should know. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Osmond >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/osmond81%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From anjelinac26 at gmail.com Fri Apr 20 02:52:37 2012 From: anjelinac26 at gmail.com (Anjelina) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 22:52:37 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Attempting to locate a book Message-ID: Good evening list, Would anyone have access to the following book: I’ve tried to locate it on Bookshare and Learning Ally with no success. Thanks for any assistance. the dialectical behavior therapy skills workbook Anjelina From laurel.stockard at gmail.com Fri Apr 20 02:59:37 2012 From: laurel.stockard at gmail.com (Laurel) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 21:59:37 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] hello In-Reply-To: References: <4f909660.c4c0e00a.6c9a.fffff84e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Chris and Arielle Thanks for the greetings. Arielle, I'm involved in the Arlington, TX chapter of the NFB. This if my first year being part of any NFB group, and this summer will be my first convention so I'm excited. I am part of NAGDU. I would love to meet all of y'all at the convention. :) Laurel and Stockard On 4/19/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi Laurel, > Welcome to the list. My name is Arielle Silverman and I'm a blind > psychology doctoral student in Boulder, CO. I have also been around > the National Association of Blind Students (NABS) for many years and > have served as a member of the NABS board of directors, vice-president > and president of NABS. I am not sure if you have been in contact with > anyone from the NABS leadership or if you are connected with the Texas > Association of Blind Students, but if not, I would encourage you to go > to > www.nabslink.org > to check out what NABS is up to and > www.nfb-texas.org > to find out how to get in touch with the Texas student division > and/or your local NFB chapter. I am also available if you have any > questions about NABS in general; you can email me at > arielle71 at gmail.com > or email the current NABS president, Sean Whalen, at > nabs.president at gmail.com > I'm very glad you will be joining us at the national convention, and > there should be several student-oriented events throughout the week > which will be announced on this listserv. Welcome! > Arielle > > On 4/19/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >> Also, I send them a notice on the list, so they'll know, that when I >> E-mail them, it's someone from the list. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 4/19/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>> Hi Nimer, >>> >>> I think what happens sometimes is this. This list and all other >>> NFB lists, as well as most other lists, is set up so that when a >>> person replies to an email from the list, it goes to the list by >>> default unless the sender of the email goes back in and changes >>> the "to" email address. So they reply to the email, hit send, >>> and don't think about whether their email will be of any meaning >>> to the list as a whole. It's very easy to do; I do it a lot, >>> especially when I'm using Outlook on my PC. All I have to do is >>> hit control r, write the message body, and hit alt s, and it's >>> sent. A lot of times, I forget to go back in and change the >>> recipient email address. That's why you see so many emails from >>> me sometimes, apart from the fact that I'm just an opinionated >>> and talkative person who finds myself with a lot to say, and >>> sometimes I just don't shut up! * Smile! >>> >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> "For we walk by faith, not by sight." >>> 2 Corinthians 5:7 >>> >>> Sent from my BrailleNote >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> sent: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 11:45:53 -0400 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] hello >>> >>> Joshua, I don't care that you're going to email her off list. >>> Why >>> don't you just freaking do it? What's up with these lists and >>> meaningless messages anyways? >>> >>> Laurel, that's awesome about the French and Russian. I too speak >>> Russian, as well as Arabic and Hebrew. And I have a wacky black >>> lab >>> named Abbie. If you want to know more, please email me off list. >>> >>> On 18.04.2012, Joshua Lester >>> wrote: >>> I'll E-mail you offlist. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 4/18/12, Laurel wrote: >>> Hi Joshua, yes I will. I would love to meet you there >>> hopefully. >>> Laurel and Stockard >>> >>> On 4/18/12, Rania Ismail CMT wrote: >>> Hi nice to meet you. My name is Rania, I live in nj and am a >>> Certified >>> Massage Therapist in the state of nj. >>> Rania, >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Laurel >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 11:31 AM >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Subject: [nabs-l] hello >>> >>> Hi all, >>> I just joined this list so I wanted to take a moment to >>> introduce >>> myself. My name is Laurel. I am a 20 year old college student >>> in the >>> Dallas, TX area. I study French and Russian. I have a working >>> guide >>> dog named Stockard. Stockard is a female yellow lab from Guide >>> Dogs >>> for the Blind and she will turn 4 in September. We have been a >>> team >>> for 2 years. 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You can try and place a request on bookshare for them to scan it for you. Your school can also Contact, AMAC which is a company that scan books. How this helps. Mary On 4/19/12, Anjelina wrote: > Good evening list, > Would anyone have access to the following book: > I've tried to locate it on Bookshare and Learning Ally with no success. > Thanks for any assistance. > the dialectical behavior therapy skills workbook > > Anjelina > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com > -- Mary Fernandez Emory 2012 "Do I dare Disturb the universe? In a minute there is time For decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse." -- T.S. Eliot From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Fri Apr 20 03:22:33 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 22:22:33 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Attempting to locate a book In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Also, if you have Blio, you could probably ask your school to find it in EBook format, so you can buy, and download it. Blessings, Joshua On 4/19/12, Anjelina wrote: > Good evening list, > Would anyone have access to the following book: > I’ve tried to locate it on Bookshare and Learning Ally with no success. > Thanks for any assistance. > the dialectical behavior therapy skills workbook > > Anjelina > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From cassonw at gmail.com Fri Apr 20 03:28:05 2012 From: cassonw at gmail.com (Bill) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 21:28:05 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] need some help Please let me know . In-Reply-To: <93E75696762E44518F569CA7069EF281@stanford.edu> References: <8DB7AB3FD9384F82880AB05F7C0D022D@RebeccaPC> <1968394677309670528@unknownmsgid> <93E75696762E44518F569CA7069EF281@stanford.edu> Message-ID: Also remember if you are buying a Mac, you are muying into the whole ecosystem. The screen reader on mac, granted it is included, works mostly only with apple applications. From what I have heard, it works poorly with other vendors products such as Firefox from Mozilla. It works with Microsoft office but is a much better experience with the apple word processor. I personally have not worked with Macs but these are the general notions I get from those who do. Bill On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: > Before buying a Mac, I would use one for at least a week if it is possible > to do so. Navigating on the Mac with voiceover is very different from using > JAWS or other screen readers on windows. Some people can adjust to it, but, > personally, it drives me crazy. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ignasi Cambra" > To: ; "National Association of Blind Students mailing > list" > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 8:46 AM > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] need some help Please let me know . > > >> If you are willing to learn something that's not JAWS and is not >> trying to work similarly to JAWS in any way, then I strongly recommend >> a mac. Email me off list if you need any info or help. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Apr 17, 2012, at 11:47 PM, Becky Sabo wrote: >> >>> Hello all >>> >>> I need some help and also some advice.  I need a new computer because my >>> net >>> book is not working well and it is a long story.  What should I be >>> looking >>> for?  Is there a user guide or reference for a Mack some where for the >>> different commands?  I tried out a Mack tonight and I like the voice over >>> on >>> it but I was getting over whelm and the people did not know for sure how >>> to >>> help me because I am blind. >>> >>> Again would a pc be in my favor or a Mack? >>> >>> Becky Sabo >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cassonw%40gmail.com -- Bill Casson University of New Mexico M.S. Computer Science Lewis & Clark Alumnus '11 B.A. Physics and Math/Comp Sci. (505) 695-1374 cassonw at gmail.com From coasterfreak88 at mac.com Fri Apr 20 04:41:18 2012 From: coasterfreak88 at mac.com (John Moore) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 23:41:18 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] New to the list. Message-ID: Hi everyone. I'm John Moore; I'm sure a lot of you know me from Facebook. I am currently doing core curriculum classes at a community college in Fort Worth, Tx, with an eye to becoming an organ performance major at the University of North Texas or another school. I choose to be neutral and not join either organization of the blind for personal reasons that I do not want to disclose. You all will be about 45 minutes away from me when you come to national convention. I've thought about coming for a student-oriented event, but I do not know yet. I am very severely hearing-impaired as well, to the point where I can do very little independent travel. I can't cross roads by myself anymore, and I use paratransit to get places I need to go if I can't get driven. I am on this list mainly for networking purposes. I hope to get to know all of you better. From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Apr 20 05:01:07 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 01:01:07 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Question for blind students In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Osmond, Good luck with the presentation. Is this a department wide thing or what? I wish I had such an opportunity because I feel I have to educate one professor every time I have a class and an overview of accomodations beforehand would help their awareness. Let them know the challenges and solutions. I'd echo everyone else. A huge challenge is handouts / lecture outlines in accessible format. Sending them ahead of time before class would help; often these are in powerpoint or word. Also, during class, not knowing what is on the board is a challenge. Professors need to read aloud what they write on the board. Finally, access to electronic material that increasingly is out there, even though its not an online class is a challenge. Things like PDF images, images with no description which is called alt text. The use of inaccessible website features whether on blackboard or a course website is a problem. Flash content is one. So is adobe flash; and not to mention google docs. Good luck. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Osmond Kwan Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:36 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Question for blind students Dear All, I was just invited to give a ten minute presentation to an audience of faculty and administrators about the challenges sight impaired individuals face in the classroom and on campus. I am the only sight impaired student represented. I wanted to ask those on the list if you could share some challenges you face on campus and in the classroom that faculty and administrators should know. Thanks, Osmond _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From todd.orlowski at yahoo.co.uk Fri Apr 20 05:08:00 2012 From: todd.orlowski at yahoo.co.uk (Todd Orlowski) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 00:08:00 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Legislative Alert - Urgent Action Needed Regarding Braille Instruction for Blind Students References: Message-ID: <9BBC7054-7846-4CAE-A1B8-DA47EC9A3D21@yahoo.co.uk> Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: "Kuhnke, Kristian" (by way of David Andrews ) > Date: 19 April 2012 20:08:40 CDT > To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org > Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] Legislative Alert - Urgent Action Needed Regarding Braille Instruction for Blind Students > > > Fellow Federationists: > > I am writing to inform you of a Dear Colleague letter that was circulated yesterday by Senators Murray, Boozman, and Harkin related to the instruction of Braille for blind students. > > We have been working with Senator Murray on this issue, and are excited that the letter was released for other Senators to sign onto in support. As you know many blind students are not receiving Braille instruction today, despite the language contained in the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA), which states that Braille will be the primary reading media for blind students. Senator Murray will hold her letter open through Friday, April 27, for other senators to sign onto, and then she will send the letter to the Secretary of Education Arne Duncan. > > Attached is a copy of the Dear Colleague letter that was circulated. We are asking you to contact your senators and urge them to join with Senators Murray and Boozman in support of instruction of Braille for blind students. Also attached is a state-by-state list of contacts for this issue. Please note that Republican offices should contact Ian Prince in Senator Boozman�s office, while Democrats should be directed to Jake Cornett in Senator Murray�s office. We are pleased that Chairman Harkin of the Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions, and Senator Mikulski of Maryland have already joined as cosigners of the Dear Colleague letter. > > Please contact me with any questions you may have. Thank you all in advance for your work on this important issue for blind students. > > Jesse > > Jesse Hartle > National Federation of the Blind > Government Programs Specialist > Phone: 410-659-9314, Ext. 2233 > Email: jhartle at nfb.org > > > Content-Type: application/msword; name="Dear Colleague - Cosign Bipartisan" > Braille Literacy Letter to Duncan.doc" > Content-Description: Dear Colleague - Cosign Bipartisan Braille Literacy > Letter to Duncan.doc > Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Dear Colleague - Cosign" > Bipartisan Braille Literacy Letter to Duncan.doc"; size=27648; > creation-date="Thu, 19 Apr 2012 19:58:38 GMT"; > modification-date="Thu, 19 Apr 2012 19:59:16 GMT" > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Nfbnet-members-list mailing list > Nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Fri Apr 20 05:24:49 2012 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 22:24:49 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Forwarding Messages from the Members List Re: Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Legislative Alert - UrgentAction Needed Regarding Braille Instruction for Blind Students References: <9BBC7054-7846-4CAE-A1B8-DA47EC9A3D21@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: Please be mindful to which lists you forward emails from the members list. For some of the lists, if you are on a list, then you are on the members list, this one included. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Orlowski" To: ; Cc: Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 10:08 PM Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Legislative Alert - UrgentAction Needed Regarding Braille Instruction for Blind Students > > > Sent from my iPhone > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: "Kuhnke, Kristian" (by way of David Andrews >> ) >> Date: 19 April 2012 20:08:40 CDT >> To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] Legislative Alert - Urgent Action Needed >> Regarding Braille Instruction for Blind Students >> >> >> Fellow Federationists: >> >> I am writing to inform you of a Dear Colleague letter that was circulated >> yesterday by Senators Murray, Boozman, and Harkin related to the >> instruction of Braille for blind students. >> >> We have been working with Senator Murray on this issue, and are excited >> that the letter was released for other Senators to sign onto in support. >> As you know many blind students are not receiving Braille instruction >> today, despite the language contained in the Individuals with >> Disabilities Education Act (IDEA), which states that Braille will be the >> primary reading media for blind students. Senator Murray will hold her >> letter open through Friday, April 27, for other senators to sign onto, >> and then she will send the letter to the Secretary of Education Arne >> Duncan. >> >> Attached is a copy of the Dear Colleague letter that was circulated. We >> are asking you to contact your senators and urge them to join with >> Senators Murray and Boozman in support of instruction of Braille for >> blind students. Also attached is a state-by-state list of contacts for >> this issue. Please note that Republican offices should contact Ian >> Prince in Senator Boozman�s office, while Democrats should be directed to >> Jake Cornett in Senator Murray�s office. We are pleased that Chairman >> Harkin of the Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions, >> and Senator Mikulski of Maryland have already joined as cosigners of the >> Dear Colleague letter. >> >> Please contact me with any questions you may have. Thank you all in >> advance for your work on this important issue for blind students. >> >> Jesse >> >> Jesse Hartle >> National Federation of the Blind >> Government Programs Specialist >> Phone: 410-659-9314, Ext. 2233 >> Email: jhartle at nfb.org >> >> >> Content-Type: application/msword; name="Dear Colleague - Cosign >> Bipartisan" >> Braille Literacy Letter to Duncan.doc" >> Content-Description: Dear Colleague - Cosign Bipartisan Braille Literacy >> Letter to Duncan.doc >> Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Dear Colleague - Cosign" >> Bipartisan Braille Literacy Letter to Duncan.doc"; size=27648; >> creation-date="Thu, 19 Apr 2012 19:58:38 GMT"; >> modification-date="Thu, 19 Apr 2012 19:59:16 GMT" >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Nfbnet-members-list mailing list >> Nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com > From treyman19 at gmail.com Fri Apr 20 07:34:55 2012 From: treyman19 at gmail.com (Trey Bradley) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 03:34:55 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] New to the list. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi John remember me this is Roosevelt Bradley we were in the ATI Program. at LWSB you can email me at treyman19 at gmail.com On 4/20/12, John Moore wrote: > Hi everyone. I'm John Moore; I'm sure a lot of you know me from Facebook. I > am currently doing core curriculum classes at a community college in Fort > Worth, Tx, with an eye to becoming an organ performance major at the > University of North Texas or another school. I choose to be neutral and not > join either organization of the blind for personal reasons that I do not > want to disclose. You all will be about 45 minutes away from me when you > come to national convention. I've thought about coming for a > student-oriented event, but I do not know yet. I am very severely > hearing-impaired as well, to the point where I can do very little > independent travel. I can't cross roads by myself anymore, and I use > paratransit to get places I need to go if I can't get driven. I am on this > list mainly for networking purposes. I hope to get to know all of you > better. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/treyman19%40gmail.com > -- Roosevelt Bradley From readtobuild at gmail.com Fri Apr 20 08:25:05 2012 From: readtobuild at gmail.com (Lanie) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 03:25:05 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] College Message-ID: <4f911d7b.6232b60a.4ab3.fffff170@mx.google.com> Hi all. I was wondering if anyone could give me advice on this. I'm taking Calculus 2 in college and have to carry around several Braille volumes so that I can keep up, a Brailler, my BrailleNote, Braille paper, and an APH Graphing Aid for Mathematics, all in a huge rolling bag. I have reason to think that all this is messing up my back. I don't know how to lighten the load, but I can't keep carrxing it. I've already talked with the Office for Students with Disabilities coordinator, but they don't have any Braillers. How do any others on this list who are taking classes with huge Braille books and other things like this do it? Do you use a large bag like I do? Any advice here would be great! Thanks. From anjelinac26 at gmail.com Fri Apr 20 10:53:49 2012 From: anjelinac26 at gmail.com (Anjelina) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 06:53:49 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Attempting to locate a book In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Mary for the tips. I have free access to the print text, so I'm considering scanning the book myself since it'll be quicker than trying to track down an electronic copy. Anjelina -----Original Message----- From: Mary Fernandez Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 11:03 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Attempting to locate a book Hi Angelina, When do you need it? You can try and place a request on bookshare for them to scan it for you. Your school can also Contact, AMAC which is a company that scan books. How this helps. Mary On 4/19/12, Anjelina wrote: > Good evening list, > Would anyone have access to the following book: > I've tried to locate it on Bookshare and Learning Ally with no success. > Thanks for any assistance. > the dialectical behavior therapy skills workbook > > Anjelina > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com > -- Mary Fernandez Emory 2012 "Do I dare Disturb the universe? In a minute there is time For decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse." -- T.S. Eliot _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com Anjelina From anjelinac26 at gmail.com Fri Apr 20 10:55:54 2012 From: anjelinac26 at gmail.com (Anjelina) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 06:55:54 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] New to the list. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Welcome to the list John. I hope you are able to gain a lot of helpful information as well as network with this list of fellow students. Anjelina -----Original Message----- From: John Moore Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 12:41 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] New to the list. Hi everyone. I'm John Moore; I'm sure a lot of you know me from Facebook. I am currently doing core curriculum classes at a community college in Fort Worth, Tx, with an eye to becoming an organ performance major at the University of North Texas or another school. I choose to be neutral and not join either organization of the blind for personal reasons that I do not want to disclose. You all will be about 45 minutes away from me when you come to national convention. I've thought about coming for a student-oriented event, but I do not know yet. I am very severely hearing-impaired as well, to the point where I can do very little independent travel. I can't cross roads by myself anymore, and I use paratransit to get places I need to go if I can't get driven. I am on this list mainly for networking purposes. I hope to get to know all of you better. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com Anjelina From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Fri Apr 20 11:29:48 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 06:29:48 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] College In-Reply-To: <4f911d7b.6232b60a.4ab3.fffff170@mx.google.com> References: <4f911d7b.6232b60a.4ab3.fffff170@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Just use the Braille note. Leave the Brailler alone. Blessings, Joshua On 4/20/12, Lanie wrote: > Hi all. I was wondering if anyone could give me advice on this. > I'm taking Calculus 2 in college and have to carry around several > Braille volumes so that I can keep up, a Brailler, my > BrailleNote, Braille paper, and an APH Graphing Aid for > Mathematics, all in a huge rolling bag. I have reason to think > that all this is messing up my back. I don't know how to lighten > the load, but I can't keep carrxing it. I've already talked with > the Office for Students with Disabilities coordinator, but they > don't have any Braillers. How do any others on this list who are > taking classes with huge Braille books and other things like this > do it? Do you use a large bag like I do? Any advice here would be > great! Thanks. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Fri Apr 20 11:38:02 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 06:38:02 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] New to the list. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, John! I thought, that was you! You made fun of me, because I was a Pac Mate user! How are you doing? Welcome to the list! Please come to convention! Thanks, Joshua On 4/20/12, Trey Bradley wrote: > Hi John remember me this is Roosevelt Bradley we were in the ATI > Program. at LWSB you can email me at treyman19 at gmail.com > > On 4/20/12, John Moore wrote: >> Hi everyone. I'm John Moore; I'm sure a lot of you know me from Facebook. >> I >> am currently doing core curriculum classes at a community college in Fort >> Worth, Tx, with an eye to becoming an organ performance major at the >> University of North Texas or another school. I choose to be neutral and >> not >> join either organization of the blind for personal reasons that I do not >> want to disclose. You all will be about 45 minutes away from me when you >> come to national convention. I've thought about coming for a >> student-oriented event, but I do not know yet. I am very severely >> hearing-impaired as well, to the point where I can do very little >> independent travel. I can't cross roads by myself anymore, and I use >> paratransit to get places I need to go if I can't get driven. I am on this >> list mainly for networking purposes. I hope to get to know all of you >> better. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/treyman19%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Roosevelt Bradley > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From todd.orlowski at yahoo.co.uk Fri Apr 20 12:10:53 2012 From: todd.orlowski at yahoo.co.uk (Todd Orlowski) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 07:10:53 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Attempting to locate a book In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <09AA7CC2-1BD7-4208-B76E-537BF5E1D937@yahoo.co.uk> Also try access text Sent from my iPhone On 20 Apr 2012, at 05:53, "Anjelina" wrote: > Thanks Mary for the tips. I have free access to the print text, so I'm considering scanning the book myself since it'll be quicker than trying to track down an electronic copy. > > Anjelina > -----Original Message----- From: Mary Fernandez > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 11:03 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Attempting to locate a book > > Hi Angelina, > When do you need it? > You can try and place a request on bookshare for them to scan it for > you. Your school can also Contact, AMAC which is a company that scan > books. How this helps. > Mary > > > On 4/19/12, Anjelina wrote: >> Good evening list, >> Would anyone have access to the following book: >> I've tried to locate it on Bookshare and Learning Ally with no success. >> Thanks for any assistance. >> the dialectical behavior therapy skills workbook >> >> Anjelina >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Mary Fernandez > Emory 2012 > "Do I dare > Disturb the universe? > In a minute there is time > For decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse." > -- > T.S. Eliot > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com > > > Anjelina > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/todd.orlowski%40yahoo.co.uk From coasterfreak88 at mac.com Fri Apr 20 12:57:49 2012 From: coasterfreak88 at mac.com (John Moore) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 07:57:49 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] New to the list. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7C62AD5E-DFB6-4810-ABC2-51B050EA918B@mac.com> I did not make fun of you. How did I make fun of you? I'm just curious as I don't remember hearing about you. From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Fri Apr 20 13:12:01 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 08:12:01 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] New to the list. In-Reply-To: <7C62AD5E-DFB6-4810-ABC2-51B050EA918B@mac.com> References: <7C62AD5E-DFB6-4810-ABC2-51B050EA918B@mac.com> Message-ID: At the cafeteria, you'd joke with me, about how the Braille Note was better, and you'd talk about how bad the PM was. I was kidding about that comment, earlier, but I thought by reminding you of that, you'd remember me. Again, welcome to the list! How are you doing? Thanks, Joshua On 4/20/12, John Moore wrote: > I did not make fun of you. How did I make fun of you? I'm just curious as I > don't remember hearing about you. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Apr 20 13:27:47 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 09:27:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Attempting to locate a book In-Reply-To: <09AA7CC2-1BD7-4208-B76E-537BF5E1D937@yahoo.co.uk> References: <09AA7CC2-1BD7-4208-B76E-537BF5E1D937@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <56E5270976144EC09A45C6BD373E6645@OwnerPC> but you cannot access it as a student; your dss has to and to do so they have to be a member. Not all schools belong to access texts. -----Original Message----- From: Todd Orlowski Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 8:10 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Attempting to locate a book Also try access text Sent from my iPhone On 20 Apr 2012, at 05:53, "Anjelina" wrote: > Thanks Mary for the tips. I have free access to the print text, so I'm > considering scanning the book myself since it'll be quicker than trying to > track down an electronic copy. > > Anjelina > -----Original Message----- From: Mary Fernandez > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 11:03 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Attempting to locate a book > > Hi Angelina, > When do you need it? > You can try and place a request on bookshare for them to scan it for > you. Your school can also Contact, AMAC which is a company that scan > books. How this helps. > Mary > > > On 4/19/12, Anjelina wrote: >> Good evening list, >> Would anyone have access to the following book: >> I've tried to locate it on Bookshare and Learning Ally with no success. >> Thanks for any assistance. >> the dialectical behavior therapy skills workbook >> >> Anjelina >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Mary Fernandez > Emory 2012 > "Do I dare > Disturb the universe? > In a minute there is time > For decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse." > -- > T.S. Eliot > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com > > > Anjelina > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/todd.orlowski%40yahoo.co.uk _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net Fri Apr 20 13:59:22 2012 From: brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net (Brian Hatgelakas) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 09:59:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] College References: <4f911d7b.6232b60a.4ab3.fffff170@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <001801cd1efd$ca62e390$1400ba43@BRIAN> In college I never took classes with huge braille books. Everything was sent electronically to me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lanie" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 4:25 AM Subject: [nabs-l] College > Hi all. I was wondering if anyone could give me advice on this. I'm > taking Calculus 2 in college and have to carry around several Braille > volumes so that I can keep up, a Brailler, my BrailleNote, Braille paper, > and an APH Graphing Aid for Mathematics, all in a huge rolling bag. I > have reason to think that all this is messing up my back. I don't know > how to lighten the load, but I can't keep carrxing it. I've already > talked with the Office for Students with Disabilities coordinator, but > they don't have any Braillers. How do any others on this list who are > taking classes with huge Braille books and other things like this do it? > Do you use a large bag like I do? Any advice here would be great! Thanks. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brian.hatgelakas%40verizon.net From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Fri Apr 20 14:18:22 2012 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 07:18:22 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] College References: <4f911d7b.6232b60a.4ab3.fffff170@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <11D4F68834064D9B8CBF7F96CE3FD7FA@stanford.edu> Joshua, You really could rephrase that as, "If possible, you could leave the Brailler." As has been stated, this does not seem to be an option. What works for you does not work for everyone. I know from experience that it is necessary to have a Brailler for certain types of math. Nicole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 4:29 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College > Just use the Braille note. > Leave the Brailler alone. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 4/20/12, Lanie wrote: >> Hi all. I was wondering if anyone could give me advice on this. >> I'm taking Calculus 2 in college and have to carry around several >> Braille volumes so that I can keep up, a Brailler, my >> BrailleNote, Braille paper, and an APH Graphing Aid for >> Mathematics, all in a huge rolling bag. I have reason to think >> that all this is messing up my back. I don't know how to lighten >> the load, but I can't keep carrxing it. I've already talked with >> the Office for Students with Disabilities coordinator, but they >> don't have any Braillers. How do any others on this list who are >> taking classes with huge Braille books and other things like this >> do it? Do you use a large bag like I do? Any advice here would be >> great! Thanks. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Fri Apr 20 14:24:15 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 09:24:15 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] College In-Reply-To: <11D4F68834064D9B8CBF7F96CE3FD7FA@stanford.edu> References: <4f911d7b.6232b60a.4ab3.fffff170@mx.google.com> <11D4F68834064D9B8CBF7F96CE3FD7FA@stanford.edu> Message-ID: I'm just concerned, because she mentioned her back being affected by this constant use of the rolling backpack, with that heavy Brailler in it. That Brailler is extremely heavy, plus with a backpack, with huge Braille books, it will hurt your back, because I had similar problems! For my Math classes, to alleviate the problem, in high school, I was fortunate, to have a Brailler, in every classroom, (thanks to my VR Counselors,) (this was when they were cooperating.) I have an old Perkins, that I'm willing to get rid of, by the Fall, of this year, because I won't need it again. Lanie, will you be at convention, this year? Also, I'm still hoping, that David can market that new lightweight Brailler, that he showed me, 2 years ago. Thanks, Joshua On 4/20/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: > Joshua, > > You really could rephrase that as, "If possible, you could leave the > Brailler." As has been stated, this does not seem to be an option. What > works for you does not work for everyone. I know from experience that it is > necessary to have a Brailler for certain types of math. > > Nicole > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 4:29 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College > > >> Just use the Braille note. >> Leave the Brailler alone. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 4/20/12, Lanie wrote: >>> Hi all. I was wondering if anyone could give me advice on this. >>> I'm taking Calculus 2 in college and have to carry around several >>> Braille volumes so that I can keep up, a Brailler, my >>> BrailleNote, Braille paper, and an APH Graphing Aid for >>> Mathematics, all in a huge rolling bag. I have reason to think >>> that all this is messing up my back. I don't know how to lighten >>> the load, but I can't keep carrxing it. I've already talked with >>> the Office for Students with Disabilities coordinator, but they >>> don't have any Braillers. How do any others on this list who are >>> taking classes with huge Braille books and other things like this >>> do it? Do you use a large bag like I do? Any advice here would be >>> great! Thanks. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From laurel.stockard at gmail.com Fri Apr 20 14:29:10 2012 From: laurel.stockard at gmail.com (Laurel) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 09:29:10 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] questions about a mac bok pro Message-ID: Hi all, I have to confess, I haven't been watching the recent thread where people were talking about mac vs. pc. I wanted to buy a mac but I didn't have the money so I was putting it off. This week I got some very unexpected money from somewhere (I don't wanna go into all the details) but I have enough to buy a mac. I plan to do so but I wanted to ask some questions about the mac that maybe some of y'all could answer for me. 1. Do you all prefer the Mac Book Pro (lap top) or the iMac (desk top). 2, those of you who use JAWS and switched to voice over on the mac, how hard/easy was the switch? I already use voice over on the iPad/iPhone but I'm not used to it on the mac yet. 3, Do any of you use Kurzweil for scanning? I have Kurzweil 1000 for windows, and I don't know what to do for my scanning program on a mac. Should I use my Kurzweil, I know you can use mac to run programs that run on windows, or should I switch to another program. What other scanning programs out there work well with voice over? 4, is there anything else, accessibility related as far as softwear goes, that I should know before I make the switch? I plan on keeping my pc at least for the summer so I can slowly switch over and have time to get used to a mac. I know this is a long email, but for you mac users out there, thanks for the help. It's appreciated. Laurel and Stockard From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Fri Apr 20 14:50:05 2012 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 07:50:05 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] questions about a mac bok pro References: Message-ID: <03B69501E95C4FF099CB32F377FC4DA0@stanford.edu> I tied a Mac for a while because I needed it for a class that I was taking. I found it very hard to use. When ever there is a control, such as a combo box, you have to press a certain key combination to start using it. There are ways to make it automatically start working, but that throws off other things. Also, most VO commands have you hold down at least four keys at a time. I, too, have an iPhone. Although I like VO on the iPhone, I generally don't care for it on the Mac. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurel" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 7:29 AM Subject: [nabs-l] questions about a mac bok pro > Hi all, > I have to confess, I haven't been watching the recent thread where > people were talking about mac vs. pc. I wanted to buy a mac but I > didn't have the money so I was putting it off. This week I got some > very unexpected money from somewhere (I don't wanna go into all the > details) but I have enough to buy a mac. I plan to do so but I wanted > to ask some questions about the mac that maybe some of y'all could > answer for me. > > 1. Do you all prefer the Mac Book Pro (lap top) or the iMac (desk top). > 2, those of you who use JAWS and switched to voice over on the mac, > how hard/easy was the switch? I already use voice over on the > iPad/iPhone but I'm not used to it on the mac yet. > 3, Do any of you use Kurzweil for scanning? I have Kurzweil 1000 for > windows, and I don't know what to do for my scanning program on a mac. > Should I use my Kurzweil, I know you can use mac to run programs that > run on windows, or should I switch to another program. What other > scanning programs out there work well with voice over? > > 4, is there anything else, accessibility related as far as softwear > goes, that I should know before I make the switch? > > I plan on keeping my pc at least for the summer so I can slowly switch > over and have time to get used to a mac. I know this is a long email, > but for you mac users out there, thanks for the help. It's > appreciated. > Laurel and Stockard > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com From coasterfreak88 at mac.com Fri Apr 20 15:17:36 2012 From: coasterfreak88 at mac.com (John Moore) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 10:17:36 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] questions about a mac bok pro In-Reply-To: <03B69501E95C4FF099CB32F377FC4DA0@stanford.edu> References: <03B69501E95C4FF099CB32F377FC4DA0@stanford.edu> Message-ID: <9A86AF26-E156-4179-BB4B-11959BA7F038@mac.com> I have been using a Mac for about 6 years now. VO on the Mac is a learning curve; I will say that. But I'd rather have something that has built-in accessibility than pay a lot for a screen reader. I love my Mac and I do everything with it now. From marsha.drenth at gmail.com Fri Apr 20 15:20:22 2012 From: marsha.drenth at gmail.com (Marsha Drenth) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 11:20:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] New to the list. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi John, I'm Marsha, a student at Temple University in Philadelphia PA. I am going for my BSW and will be a Junior this coming fall. I too am hard of hearing, traveling is very difficult at best. I use a guide dog for this reason. Originally I am from Dallas Texas, lived there for 30plus years. All of my family still is there. Convention is an awesome experience if you haven't ever been. The NFB has a deafblind division, a guide dog division, and of course the students, among many many other special interest groups and divisions. If your so close you should make the trip over, our convention won't be in dallas for another few years. Thus why you should come over this year. Take care, Marsha -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of John Moore Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 12:41 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] New to the list. Hi everyone. I'm John Moore; I'm sure a lot of you know me from Facebook. I am currently doing core curriculum classes at a community college in Fort Worth, Tx, with an eye to becoming an organ performance major at the University of North Texas or another school. I choose to be neutral and not join either organization of the blind for personal reasons that I do not want to disclose. You all will be about 45 minutes away from me when you come to national convention. I've thought about coming for a student-oriented event, but I do not know yet. I am very severely hearing-impaired as well, to the point where I can do very little independent travel. I can't cross roads by myself anymore, and I use paratransit to get places I need to go if I can't get driven. I am on this list mainly for networking purposes. I hope to get to know all of you better. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co m __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7045 (20120411) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7045 (20120411) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From lholmes at gabstudents.org Fri Apr 20 16:14:59 2012 From: lholmes at gabstudents.org (LaKeisha Holmes) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 12:14:59 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] "U Improving U" Seminar 2012 Message-ID: <34DCC343-2C2C-46AE-9616-6EF0F2A31766@gabstudents.org> Hello all, The Georgia association of Blind Students will be hosting the second regional U Improving U seminar. This seminar is designed to bring students from various regions together for an educational and fun-filled weekend with sessions ranging from college preparation and career building to creating your own sense of fashion and building social networks across the country. The 2009 seminar was a huge success and we hope to make this year’s seminar even bigger and better, and we need your help to do it! If you are interested in participating in the planning of this event, please join one of our committees. The contact information for each chairman is provided below. Let’s work together to make this seminar one we won’t soon forget!!! President: Lakeisha Holmes lholmes at gabstudents.org Hospitality: Shelby Ball sball at nfbga.org Transportation: Rashi Goel rashig21 at gmail.com Public Relations: Nikki Jackson njackson at nfbga.org Fund raising: Wilkens Eugene wilkens_e at hotmail.com Isaiah Wilcox iwilcox at nfbga.org LaKeisha Holmes President Georgia Association of Blind Students (404) 580-3040 lholmes at gabstudents.org GABStudents.org "Success is to be measured not so much by the position that one has reached in life as by the obstacles which he has overcome." -Booker T. Washington From readtobuild at gmail.com Fri Apr 20 16:40:18 2012 From: readtobuild at gmail.com (Lanie) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 11:40:18 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] College Message-ID: <4f91918e.86033c0a.7fc1.1a6f@mx.google.com> I'm not sure. I may be there, but I don't really know yet. I'll let you know if I will be. Thanks for the offer. I've tried to work the math on the BrailleNote, but even though you can do it, it's extremely slow and not good for taking notes. As for getting my book electronically, I would if I could find it and if it's readable. Most math isn't readable with a screen reader. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Joshua, You really could rephrase that as, "If possible, you could leave the Brailler." As has been stated, this does not seem to be an option. What works for you does not work for everyone. I know from experience that it is necessary to have a Brailler for certain types of math. Nicole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" wrote: Hi all. I was wondering if anyone could give me advice on this. I'm taking Calculus 2 in college and have to carry around several Braille volumes so that I can keep up, a Brailler, my BrailleNote, Braille paper, and an APH Graphing Aid for Mathematics, all in a huge rolling bag. I have reason to think that all this is messing up my back. I don't know how to lighten the load, but I can't keep carrxing it. I've already talked with the Office for Students with Disabilities coordinator, but they don't have any Braillers. How do any others on this list who are taking classes with huge Braille books and other things like this do it? Do you use a large bag like I do? Any advice here would be great! Thanks. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40 wavecable.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/readtobuild%4 0gmail.com From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Fri Apr 20 16:51:52 2012 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 09:51:52 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] College References: <4f91918e.86033c0a.7fc1.1a6f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hmm, can you give more information about working the math on the BrailleNote? I did not take college level calc, but I did take AP Calc in high school using my BrailleNote. Nicole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lanie" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 9:40 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College > I'm not sure. I may be there, but I don't really know yet. I'll let you > know if I will be. Thanks for the offer. I've tried to work the math on > the BrailleNote, but even though you can do it, it's extremely slow and > not good for taking notes. As for getting my book electronically, I would > if I could find it and if it's readable. Most math isn't readable with a > screen reader. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 09:24:15 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College > > I'm just concerned, because she mentioned her back being affected by > this constant use of the rolling backpack, with that heavy Brailler in > it. > That Brailler is extremely heavy, plus with a backpack, with huge > Braille books, it will hurt your back, because I had similar problems! > For my Math classes, to alleviate the problem, in high school, I was > fortunate, to have a Brailler, in every classroom, (thanks to my VR > Counselors,) (this was when they were cooperating.) > I have an old Perkins, that I'm willing to get rid of, by the Fall, of > this year, because I won't need it again. > Lanie, will you be at convention, this year? > Also, I'm still hoping, that David can market that new lightweight > Brailler, that he showed me, 2 years ago. > Thanks, Joshua > > On 4/20/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: > Joshua, > > You really could rephrase that as, "If possible, you could leave the > Brailler." As has been stated, this does not seem to be an option. What > works for you does not work for everyone. I know from experience that it > is > necessary to have a Brailler for certain types of math. > > Nicole > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 4:29 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College > > > Just use the Braille note. > Leave the Brailler alone. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 4/20/12, Lanie wrote: > Hi all. I was wondering if anyone could give me advice on this. > I'm taking Calculus 2 in college and have to carry around several > Braille volumes so that I can keep up, a Brailler, my > BrailleNote, Braille paper, and an APH Graphing Aid for > Mathematics, all in a huge rolling bag. I have reason to think > that all this is messing up my back. I don't know how to lighten > the load, but I can't keep carrxing it. I've already talked with > the Office for Students with Disabilities coordinator, but they > don't have any Braillers. How do any others on this list who are > taking classes with huge Braille books and other things like this > do it? Do you use a large bag like I do? Any advice here would be > great! Thanks. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40 > wavecable.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/readtobuild%4 > 0gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Fri Apr 20 16:51:56 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 11:51:56 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] College In-Reply-To: <4f91918e.86033c0a.7fc1.1a6f@mx.google.com> References: <4f91918e.86033c0a.7fc1.1a6f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Braille Textbooks are needed for most Math. The Pac Mate isn't as slow, as the BN, though. Blessings, Joshua On 4/20/12, Lanie wrote: > I'm not sure. I may be there, but I don't really know yet. I'll > let you know if I will be. Thanks for the offer. I've tried to > work the math on the BrailleNote, but even though you can do it, > it's extremely slow and not good for taking notes. As for > getting my book electronically, I would if I could find it and if > it's readable. Most math isn't readable with a screen reader. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 09:24:15 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College > > I'm just concerned, because she mentioned her back being affected > by > this constant use of the rolling backpack, with that heavy > Brailler in > it. > That Brailler is extremely heavy, plus with a backpack, with huge > Braille books, it will hurt your back, because I had similar > problems! > For my Math classes, to alleviate the problem, in high school, I > was > fortunate, to have a Brailler, in every classroom, (thanks to my > VR > Counselors,) (this was when they were cooperating.) > I have an old Perkins, that I'm willing to get rid of, by the > Fall, of > this year, because I won't need it again. > Lanie, will you be at convention, this year? > Also, I'm still hoping, that David can market that new > lightweight > Brailler, that he showed me, 2 years ago. > Thanks, Joshua > > On 4/20/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home > wrote: > Joshua, > > You really could rephrase that as, "If possible, you could > leave the > Brailler." As has been stated, this does not seem to be an > option. What > works for you does not work for everyone. I know from > experience that it is > necessary to have a Brailler for certain types of math. > > Nicole > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 4:29 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College > > > Just use the Braille note. > Leave the Brailler alone. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 4/20/12, Lanie wrote: > Hi all. I was wondering if anyone could give me advice on this. > I'm taking Calculus 2 in college and have to carry around > several > Braille volumes so that I can keep up, a Brailler, my > BrailleNote, Braille paper, and an APH Graphing Aid for > Mathematics, all in a huge rolling bag. I have reason to think > that all this is messing up my back. I don't know how to > lighten > the load, but I can't keep carrxing it. I've already talked > with > the Office for Students with Disabilities coordinator, but they > don't have any Braillers. How do any others on this list who > are > taking classes with huge Braille books and other things like > this > do it? Do you use a large bag like I do? Any advice here would > be > great! Thanks. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40 > wavecable.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/readtobuild%4 > 0gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Fri Apr 20 17:08:30 2012 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 10:08:30 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Slowness of Notetakers was Re: College References: <4f91918e.86033c0a.7fc1.1a6f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Please define what you mean by slow. Have you used a BrailleNote? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College > Braille Textbooks are needed for most Math. > The Pac Mate isn't as slow, as the BN, though. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 4/20/12, Lanie wrote: >> I'm not sure. I may be there, but I don't really know yet. I'll >> let you know if I will be. Thanks for the offer. I've tried to >> work the math on the BrailleNote, but even though you can do it, >> it's extremely slow and not good for taking notes. As for >> getting my book electronically, I would if I could find it and if >> it's readable. Most math isn't readable with a screen reader. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 09:24:15 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College >> >> I'm just concerned, because she mentioned her back being affected >> by >> this constant use of the rolling backpack, with that heavy >> Brailler in >> it. >> That Brailler is extremely heavy, plus with a backpack, with huge >> Braille books, it will hurt your back, because I had similar >> problems! >> For my Math classes, to alleviate the problem, in high school, I >> was >> fortunate, to have a Brailler, in every classroom, (thanks to my >> VR >> Counselors,) (this was when they were cooperating.) >> I have an old Perkins, that I'm willing to get rid of, by the >> Fall, of >> this year, because I won't need it again. >> Lanie, will you be at convention, this year? >> Also, I'm still hoping, that David can market that new >> lightweight >> Brailler, that he showed me, 2 years ago. >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> On 4/20/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home >> wrote: >> Joshua, >> >> You really could rephrase that as, "If possible, you could >> leave the >> Brailler." As has been stated, this does not seem to be an >> option. What >> works for you does not work for everyone. I know from >> experience that it is >> necessary to have a Brailler for certain types of math. >> >> Nicole >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joshua Lester" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 4:29 AM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College >> >> >> Just use the Braille note. >> Leave the Brailler alone. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 4/20/12, Lanie wrote: >> Hi all. I was wondering if anyone could give me advice on this. >> I'm taking Calculus 2 in college and have to carry around >> several >> Braille volumes so that I can keep up, a Brailler, my >> BrailleNote, Braille paper, and an APH Graphing Aid for >> Mathematics, all in a huge rolling bag. I have reason to think >> that all this is messing up my back. I don't know how to >> lighten >> the load, but I can't keep carrxing it. I've already talked >> with >> the Office for Students with Disabilities coordinator, but they >> don't have any Braillers. How do any others on this list who >> are >> taking classes with huge Braille books and other things like >> this >> do it? Do you use a large bag like I do? Any advice here would >> be >> great! Thanks. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >> 0students.pccua.edu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40 >> wavecable.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >> 0students.pccua.edu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/readtobuild%4 >> 0gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Fri Apr 20 17:14:29 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 12:14:29 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Slowness of Notetakers was Re: College In-Reply-To: References: <4f91918e.86033c0a.7fc1.1a6f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I've experemented with a Braille Note, (one of the older models,) at the 2010 convention. It took a few seconds, for what I was Brailling, to show up on the Braille display. I haven't ever had that problem, with the Pac Mate, I used in High School. I'd say, the slowness, depends on the model. I'm interested in the Apex! Blessings, Joshua On 4/20/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: > Please define what you mean by slow. Have you used a BrailleNote? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 9:51 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College > > >> Braille Textbooks are needed for most Math. >> The Pac Mate isn't as slow, as the BN, though. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 4/20/12, Lanie wrote: >>> I'm not sure. I may be there, but I don't really know yet. I'll >>> let you know if I will be. Thanks for the offer. I've tried to >>> work the math on the BrailleNote, but even though you can do it, >>> it's extremely slow and not good for taking notes. As for >>> getting my book electronically, I would if I could find it and if >>> it's readable. Most math isn't readable with a screen reader. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Joshua Lester >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 09:24:15 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College >>> >>> I'm just concerned, because she mentioned her back being affected >>> by >>> this constant use of the rolling backpack, with that heavy >>> Brailler in >>> it. >>> That Brailler is extremely heavy, plus with a backpack, with huge >>> Braille books, it will hurt your back, because I had similar >>> problems! >>> For my Math classes, to alleviate the problem, in high school, I >>> was >>> fortunate, to have a Brailler, in every classroom, (thanks to my >>> VR >>> Counselors,) (this was when they were cooperating.) >>> I have an old Perkins, that I'm willing to get rid of, by the >>> Fall, of >>> this year, because I won't need it again. >>> Lanie, will you be at convention, this year? >>> Also, I'm still hoping, that David can market that new >>> lightweight >>> Brailler, that he showed me, 2 years ago. >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> On 4/20/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home >>> wrote: >>> Joshua, >>> >>> You really could rephrase that as, "If possible, you could >>> leave the >>> Brailler." As has been stated, this does not seem to be an >>> option. What >>> works for you does not work for everyone. I know from >>> experience that it is >>> necessary to have a Brailler for certain types of math. >>> >>> Nicole >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Joshua Lester" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 4:29 AM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College >>> >>> >>> Just use the Braille note. >>> Leave the Brailler alone. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 4/20/12, Lanie wrote: >>> Hi all. I was wondering if anyone could give me advice on this. >>> I'm taking Calculus 2 in college and have to carry around >>> several >>> Braille volumes so that I can keep up, a Brailler, my >>> BrailleNote, Braille paper, and an APH Graphing Aid for >>> Mathematics, all in a huge rolling bag. I have reason to think >>> that all this is messing up my back. I don't know how to >>> lighten >>> the load, but I can't keep carrxing it. I've already talked >>> with >>> the Office for Students with Disabilities coordinator, but they >>> don't have any Braillers. How do any others on this list who >>> are >>> taking classes with huge Braille books and other things like >>> this >>> do it? Do you use a large bag like I do? Any advice here would >>> be >>> great! Thanks. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >>> 0students.pccua.edu >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40 >>> wavecable.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >>> 0students.pccua.edu >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/readtobuild%4 >>> 0gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From readtobuild at gmail.com Fri Apr 20 17:35:49 2012 From: readtobuild at gmail.com (Lanie) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 12:35:49 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Slowness of Notetakers was Re: College Message-ID: <4f919e91.2613b60a.6134.3733@mx.google.com> I just mean it's slow to write the math. The BrailleNote itself isn't slow. It just takes a while to write out the math. If anyone's curious about doing math on the BrailleNote, here's what you do. You start with a text document. Once you have that created, use shorthand for some symbols. You can come up with your own as long as you explin what it means to the teacher. Also, check out the unicode tables, where you can find lots of the symbols you need. To get to these, pres backspace with dots 3 and 5. Hope this helps. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" wrote: I'm not sure. I may be there, but I don't really know yet. I'll let you know if I will be. Thanks for the offer. I've tried to work the math on the BrailleNote, but even though you can do it, it's extremely slow and not good for taking notes. As for getting my book electronically, I would if I could find it and if it's readable. Most math isn't readable with a screen reader. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Joshua, You really could rephrase that as, "If possible, you could leave the Brailler." As has been stated, this does not seem to be an option. What works for you does not work for everyone. I know from experience that it is necessary to have a Brailler for certain types of math. Nicole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" wrote: Hi all. I was wondering if anyone could give me advice on this. I'm taking Calculus 2 in college and have to carry around several Braille volumes so that I can keep up, a Brailler, my BrailleNote, Braille paper, and an APH Graphing Aid for Mathematics, all in a huge rolling bag. I have reason to think that all this is messing up my back. I don't know how to lighten the load, but I can't keep carrxing it. I've already talked with the Office for Students with Disabilities coordinator, but they don't have any Braillers. How do any others on this list who are taking classes with huge Braille books and other things like this do it? Do you use a large bag like I do? Any advice here would be great! Thanks. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40 wavecable.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/readtobuild%4 0gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40 wavecable.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/readtobuild%4 0gmail.com From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Fri Apr 20 18:53:21 2012 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 14:53:21 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] New to the list. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear John, Welocme to the list! We have a very diverse group of students and professionals here, and I'm sure you'll find your place in the group in no time. My name is Jewel. I am also attending community college, in Raleigh, NC. I'm working on a transfer Associat of Arts, hoping to transfer to Louisiana Tech University for a degree in Special Education, toward getting a Master's degree in Special Education of the Blind. I hope to become a TVI, specializing in Braille. I am not hearing impaired myself, but I know someone who is deafblind, and she's going to get a guide dog to help in travel. Have you considered this route? I bet a guide dog would help you in your travels immensely. You might consider it! What courses are you taking (and probably about done with, since this is the end of the semester for most people)? What kind of courses do you have to take to become an organ performer? I imagine music appreciation and classes like that, but I wouldn't know what else. Please tell us more about your degree program! Again, welcome to the list, and I look forward to hearing more about your studies and yourself. ~Jewel On 4/20/12, Marsha Drenth wrote: > Hi John, > > I'm Marsha, a student at Temple University in Philadelphia PA. I am going > for my BSW and will be a Junior this coming fall. I too am hard of hearing, > traveling is very difficult at best. I use a guide dog for this reason. > Originally I am from Dallas Texas, lived there for 30plus years. All of my > family still is there. > > Convention is an awesome experience if you haven't ever been. The NFB has a > deafblind division, a guide dog division, and of course the students, among > many many other special interest groups and divisions. If your so close you > should make the trip over, our convention won't be in dallas for another few > years. Thus why you should come over this year. > > Take care, > Marsha > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of John Moore > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 12:41 AM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] New to the list. > > Hi everyone. I'm John Moore; I'm sure a lot of you know me from Facebook. I > am currently doing core curriculum classes at a community college in Fort > Worth, Tx, with an eye to becoming an organ performance major at the > University of North Texas or another school. I choose to be neutral and not > join either organization of the blind for personal reasons that I do not > want to disclose. You all will be about 45 minutes away from me when you > come to national convention. I've thought about coming for a > student-oriented event, but I do not know yet. I am very severely > hearing-impaired as well, to the point where I can do very little > independent travel. I can't cross roads by myself anymore, and I use > paratransit to get places I need to go if I can't get driven. I am on this > list mainly for networking purposes. I hope to get to know all of you > better. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co > m > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 7045 (20120411) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 7045 (20120411) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > From opensesame at me.com Fri Apr 20 19:35:03 2012 From: opensesame at me.com (Bryan Jones) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 15:35:03 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] questions about a mac bok pro In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1AE4C7F2-F123-43D9-B117-43C36A7AE018@me.com> Hello Laurel, My perspective is as someone who has never used a Windows screen reader, so I can't offer much in terms of comparing VoiceOver to Jaws or Window-Eyes or NVDA, but I can provide a bit of input to a few of your other questions. > 1. Macbook Pro vs iMac. I've used a variety of Mac desktops and laptops in the past 5 or 6 years and my personal favorite is the current 11 inch Macbook Air. Portability is a high priority for me, and the Air also offers good performance and a decent, though notperfect, keyboard. If you are set on choosing between an MBP and an iMac, you might consider waiting another month or two as rumor has it Apple will soon be introducing updated versions of the MBP. > 3, Kurzweil / OCR options. I use Abbyy FineReader Express for OCR. It's been able to handle most of the jobs I've thrown at it, including PDF conversions and multi-language documents. Again, I've never used Kurzweil, so can't offer a comparison. > 4, anything else. > 4a. MS Office for Mac is not accessible using VO. In fact, if you expect to be editing or creating documents that include tables and several other key elements, there is currently no word processor that smoothly allows VO access to these functions. Pages and Nissus Writer are close and getting better, but are not there yet. That said, if you do not expect to be working with complex documents, you might be OK just using the Mac's very good built-in word processor called Textedit. It opens Word documents and can save in a variety of formats. 4b. Web browser options are still limited on the Mac. Safari and it's cousins Webkit and Chrome work OK with VO, but FIrefox and Opera aren't there yet and there is no version of IE on the Mac. 4c. Generally, when folks ask me if I think they should switch to a Mac, my answer is "No, unless you really have a desire to learn something different or you just want a new toy." For most Users and functions, the Mac OS is no better than Windows. You'll still crash sometimes, you'll still be vulnerable to malware and other security threats, and you'll find plenty of hardware and software that does not play well with VO. Plus if you've already invested in an expensive windows screen reader, and expensive Windows office suite, and if they're working OK for you, you'll lose that investment when moving too the Mac unless you decide to go through the hassle of installing Windows on your Mac. More than anything else, I strongly suggest spending time in an Apple Store, Best Buy or other place where you can get your hands on the Macs and spend a bit of time trying them out. If you want to actively learn how to use VO while sitting in front of any current Mac, you can turn on VO by pressing Command+F5. The Command key is the key immediately to the left of the spacebar, and the F5 key is the sixth key from the left in the top row (the first key being the escape key). When you press Command+F5, you should hear the announcement, "VoiceOver On." Once VoiceOver is running, you can access a quick VoiceOver tutorial by pressing and holding the three keys located immediately to the left of the Spacebar and then pressing the F8 key, which is the ninth key from the left in the top row. You should hear VoiceOver announce, "VoiceOver Quick Start." The quick start tutorial will introduce you to the "VO" keys and will point you in the right direction for learning more about the Mac and VO. Consider bringing a pair of headphones or earbuds when you try this out. It can get pretty noisy in an Apple store. If you haven't already joined, there are a number of active email lists and forums for blind and low-vision Mac Users. A quick google will turn up a list of them. One last note: I personally think the best way to purchase a Mac is through Apple's own refurb store, which can be found from their main shopping site at store dot apple dot com. Macs purchased there usually cost a couple hundred dollars less, come with the exact same 1 year warranty as new Macs and can be covered under the same extended Applecare warranty plans. The only Macs I've had to take in for service were ones I purchased new. My refurbs have never needed service. HTH, Bryan On Apr 20, 2012, at 10:29 AM, Laurel wrote: > Hi all, > I have to confess, I haven't been watching the recent thread where > people were talking about mac vs. pc. I wanted to buy a mac but I > didn't have the money so I was putting it off. This week I got some > very unexpected money from somewhere (I don't wanna go into all the > details) but I have enough to buy a mac. I plan to do so but I wanted > to ask some questions about the mac that maybe some of y'all could > answer for me. > > 1. Do you all prefer the Mac Book Pro (lap top) or the iMac (desk top). > 2, those of you who use JAWS and switched to voice over on the mac, > how hard/easy was the switch? I already use voice over on the > iPad/iPhone but I'm not used to it on the mac yet. > 3, Do any of you use Kurzweil for scanning? I have Kurzweil 1000 for > windows, and I don't know what to do for my scanning program on a mac. > Should I use my Kurzweil, I know you can use mac to run programs that > run on windows, or should I switch to another program. What other > scanning programs out there work well with voice over? > > 4, is there anything else, accessibility related as far as softwear > goes, that I should know before I make the switch? > > I plan on keeping my pc at least for the summer so I can slowly switch > over and have time to get used to a mac. I know this is a long email, > but for you mac users out there, thanks for the help. It's > appreciated. > Laurel and Stockard > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/opensesame%40me.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Apr 20 22:49:38 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 18:49:38 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Question for blind students Message-ID: <4f91e82f.88d8e00a.459b.ffffb4c2@mx.google.com> Hi Osmond, The first big challenge that I can think of is accessibility, accessibility, accessibility! As a lot of blind students here can probably attest, one of our biggest problems as blind students is not being able to access important Web sites, documents, and computer programs used in the classroom with our screen readers or other screen access technology. It is sad that this problem is so common, because it is easy to fix. Just ask the makers of Blackboard! Another big problem that blind students face, and that all independent blind people face, is the negative attitudes and misconceptions about blindness which are widely believed by the general public. Most of the time, there are just minor little incidents (which we usually come on this and other NFB lists and laugh about, swapping funny stories) of these misconceptions in our interactions with the public. The difference with students is sometimes, these misconceptions about blindness effect our success, or stop us from taking certain classes or studying certain fields that we want to take or study. A prime example of this happened to a good friend of mine who is currently going to our local community college here in Maryland. He wanted to take an arobic fitness class for his PE credit. However, the teacher of this class said she couldn't let him take the class because he was blind, and she "wouldn't be able to accommodate (him).)" What she didn't understand was that he could participate in the class on the same level as everyone else. All she thought of was that she couldn't imagine doing the things that she was teaching in her class without her vision, and couldn't imagine how he, as a totally blind person, could do them, so she just assumed that he needed a lot of special accommodations to participate in her class, which she thought she couldn't provide. People who do these kinds of things don't mean to be discriminatory or unfair; they're just ignorant about blindness! So, I would emphasize to the teachers you talk to in your presentation that it is important for them to keep a positive attitude about blindness, and to not assume that a blind person can't do some task in their classrooms without asking the blind person first. If they have any questions, I'm sure you would be very open to answering them. But the bottom line here is this: Don't stop a blind person from taking a class or doing anything else in the classroom just because he/she is blind! For more on this second challenge, I would encourage reading Dr. Kenneth Jernigan's speech called Blindness: Concepts and Misconceptions. You can read this article here: ?nfb.org/images/nfb/publications/convent/blndnesc.htmI also encourage everyone else on this list, especially college students, to post your experiences with both of these challenges and any others you have experienced to this list. Osmond, I think it would be good to have some good stories to tell as examples of some of these challenges for your presentation. These are just my thoughts. Good luck! Chris Nusbaum "For we walk by faith, not by sight." 2 Corinthians 5:7? Sent from my BrailleNote? ----- Original Message ----- From: Osmond Kwan I definitely have! In fact, most faculty and staff are very helpful and understanding; it just depends on the person. I think sometimes we get so caught up in the negative things that happen to us when it comes to our interactions with other people, especially about blindness, that we forget about the positive majority of things that happen to us. Chris Nusbaum "For we walk by faith, not by sight." 2 Corinthians 5:7 Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Osmond Kwan wrote: When are you giving the presentation? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Osmond Kwan" Hi Joshua, Well, what's funny is your problem with the rooms being only labelled "classroom" or "office" in Braille is the same problem that I sometimes have in my middle school! If you want me to, I can email you off-list and tell you some of my methods for finding classrooms in my school. I will tell you now that in my school, the room numbers are written in Braille and in print above the "classroom" or "office" label. Most of the time, these numbers follow an order in the hallways, so I have learned to use the room numbers to know where the room I'm looking for is. I'll email you with more details off-list if you'd like to know them. Chris Nusbaum "For we walk by faith, not by sight." 2 Corinthians 5:7 Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Thanks to those who have responded so far. My presentation is tomorrow morning during the 9:00 hour. Other disabilities are also represented. It is primarily a personal sharing about our experiences, but I want to also get some feedback from the list. I agree with the campus layout being somewhat hard to navigate and challenges with handouts and online material. I meant to ask this in my original e-mail, but has anyone had positive experiences with faculty, staff, classroom and campus? Thanks, Osmond On 4/19/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: When are you giving the presentation? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Osmond Kwan" Maybe you could try putting that you're on the list in the subject line of the email you send to the person off-list. For example, you might write a subject like this one: "from Joshua from the NABS list: national convention," if your email was about national convention. What do you think of this idea? Chris Nusbaum "For we walk by faith, not by sight." 2 Corinthians 5:7 Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Hi Nimer, I think what happens sometimes is this. This list and all other NFB lists, as well as most other lists, is set up so that when a person replies to an email from the list, it goes to the list by default unless the sender of the email goes back in and changes the "to" email address. So they reply to the email, hit send, and don't think about whether their email will be of any meaning to the list as a whole. It's very easy to do; I do it a lot, especially when I'm using Outlook on my PC. All I have to do is hit control r, write the message body, and hit alt s, and it's sent. A lot of times, I forget to go back in and change the recipient email address. That's why you see so many emails from me sometimes, apart from the fact that I'm just an opinionated and talkative person who finds myself with a lot to say, and sometimes I just don't shut up! * Smile! Chris Nusbaum "For we walk by faith, not by sight." 2 Corinthians 5:7 Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ wrote: Hi Joshua, yes I will. I would love to meet you there hopefully. Laurel and Stockard On 4/18/12, Rania Ismail CMT wrote: Hi nice to meet you. My name is Rania, I live in nj and am a Certified Massage Therapist in the state of nj. Rania, -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Laurel Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 11:31 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] hello Hi all, I just joined this list so I wanted to take a moment to introduce myself. My name is Laurel. I am a 20 year old college student in the Dallas, TX area. I study French and Russian. I have a working guide dog named Stockard. Stockard is a female yellow lab from Guide Dogs for the Blind and she will turn 4 in September. We have been a team for 2 years. I hope to get to know all of you well. 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That's a great victory! Chris Nusbaum "For we walk by faith, not by sight." 2 Corinthians 5:7 Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: hows it going? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" wrote: Thanks to those who have responded so far. My presentation is tomorrow morning during the 9:00 hour. Other disabilities are also represented. It is primarily a personal sharing about our experiences, but I want to also get some feedback from the list. I agree with the campus layout being somewhat hard to navigate and challenges with handouts and online material. I meant to ask this in my original e-mail, but has anyone had positive experiences with faculty, staff, classroom and campus? Thanks, Osmond On 4/19/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: When are you giving the presentation? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Osmond Kwan" References: <4f91e836.88d8e00a.459b.ffffb4c8@mx.google.com> Message-ID: That's awesome! That's the kind of thing I have asked the college to do, but they won't cooperate! Thanks, Joshua On 4/20/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi Joshua, > > Well, what's funny is your problem with the rooms being only > labelled "classroom" or "office" in Braille is the same problem > that I sometimes have in my middle school! If you want me to, I > can email you off-list and tell you some of my methods for > finding classrooms in my school. I will tell you now that in my > school, the room numbers are written in Braille and in print > above the "classroom" or "office" label. Most of the time, these > numbers follow an order in the hallways, so I have learned to use > the room numbers to know where the room I'm looking for is. I'll > email you with more details off-list if you'd like to know them. > > Chris Nusbaum > > "For we walk by faith, not by sight." > 2 Corinthians 5:7 > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > sent: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 17:00:10 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question for blind students > > Faculty and staff have never given me problems, at my college. > The layout, and the fact that the Braille on the signs, for each > class, isn't informative enough, have been my main problems. > The rooms are labeled, "Classroom," and "Office," but the room > number > is labeled, in Print. > Why not label the room numbers, in Braille? > This makes my traveling on campus, difficult! > Blessings, Joshua > > On 4/19/12, Osmond Kwan wrote: > Thanks to those who have responded so far. > > My presentation is tomorrow morning during the 9:00 hour. Other > disabilities are also represented. > > It is primarily a personal sharing about our experiences, but I > want > to also get some feedback from the list. > > I agree with the campus layout being somewhat hard to navigate > and > challenges with handouts and online material. > > I meant to ask this in my original e-mail, but has anyone had > positive > experiences with faculty, staff, classroom and campus? > > Thanks, > Osmond > > > > > > On 4/19/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home > wrote: > When are you giving the presentation? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Osmond Kwan" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 10:36 AM > Subject: [nabs-l] Question for blind students > > > Dear All, > > I was just invited to give a ten minute presentation to an > audience of > faculty and administrators about the challenges sight impaired > individuals face in the classroom and on campus. I am the only > sight > impaired student represented. I wanted to ask those on the list > if you > could share some challenges you face on campus and in the > classroom > that faculty and administrators should know. > > Thanks, > Osmond > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40 > wavecable.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/osmond81%40gm > ail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Fri Apr 20 22:58:53 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 17:58:53 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] hello In-Reply-To: <4f91e83c.88d8e00a.459b.ffffb4cc@mx.google.com> References: <4f91e83c.88d8e00a.459b.ffffb4cc@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I've been doing that, today. For some, it's effective, but for others, it isn't. Blessings, Joshua On 4/20/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Maybe you could try putting that you're on the list in the > subject line of the email you send to the person off-list. For > example, you might write a subject like this one: "from Joshua > from the NABS list: national convention," if your email was about > national convention. What do you think of this idea? > > Chris Nusbaum > > "For we walk by faith, not by sight." > 2 Corinthians 5:7 > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > sent: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 17:55:45 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] hello > > Also, I send them a notice on the list, so they'll know, that > when I > E-mail them, it's someone from the list. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 4/19/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi Nimer, > > I think what happens sometimes is this. This list and all other > NFB lists, as well as most other lists, is set up so that when a > person replies to an email from the list, it goes to the list by > default unless the sender of the email goes back in and changes > the "to" email address. So they reply to the email, hit send, > and don't think about whether their email will be of any meaning > to the list as a whole. It's very easy to do; I do it a lot, > especially when I'm using Outlook on my PC. All I have to do is > hit control r, write the message body, and hit alt s, and it's > sent. A lot of times, I forget to go back in and change the > recipient email address. That's why you see so many emails from > me sometimes, apart from the fact that I'm just an opinionated > and talkative person who finds myself with a lot to say, and > sometimes I just don't shut up! * Smile! > > Chris Nusbaum > > "For we walk by faith, not by sight." > 2 Corinthians 5:7 > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > sent: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 11:45:53 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] hello > > Joshua, I don't care that you're going to email her off list. > Why > don't you just freaking do it? What's up with these lists and > meaningless messages anyways? > > Laurel, that's awesome about the French and Russian. I too > speak > Russian, as well as Arabic and Hebrew. And I have a wacky black > lab > named Abbie. If you want to know more, please email me off > list. > > On 18.04.2012, Joshua Lester wrote: > I'll E-mail you offlist. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 4/18/12, Laurel wrote: > Hi Joshua, yes I will. I would love to meet you there > hopefully. > Laurel and Stockard > > On 4/18/12, Rania Ismail CMT wrote: > Hi nice to meet you. My name is Rania, I live in nj and am a > Certified > Massage Therapist in the state of nj. > Rania, > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Laurel > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 11:31 AM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] hello > > Hi all, > I just joined this list so I wanted to take a moment to > introduce > myself. My name is Laurel. I am a 20 year old college student > in the > Dallas, TX area. I study French and Russian. I have a working > guide > dog named Stockard. Stockard is a female yellow lab from Guide > Dogs > for the Blind and she will turn 4 in September. We have been a > team > for 2 years. I hope to get to know all of you well. > Laurel and Stockard > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04 > %40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stocka > rd%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%4 > 0gmail.com > > > > -- > Nimer Jaber, IC³ and Freedom Scientific JAWS Certifications > > The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was > addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended > recipient, > please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this > correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its > contents > by anyone other than the intended recipient may result in civil > or > criminal action. I have checked this email and all > corresponding > attachments for security threats. However, security of your > machine is > up to you. Thanks. > > Registered Linux User 529141. > http://counter.li.org/ > Vinux testing and documentation coordinator > To get more information about a free and accessible operating > system, > please click here: > http://www.vinuxproject.org > > To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows > XP > and above, please click here: > http://www.nvda-project.org > > You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology > news. > > Check out my blog related to technology by clicking here: > http://nimertech.blogspot.com > > To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at > (720) > (251-4530) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From clb5590 at gmail.com Sat Apr 21 00:16:36 2012 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 17:16:36 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] questions about a mac bok pro In-Reply-To: <1AE4C7F2-F123-43D9-B117-43C36A7AE018@me.com> References: <1AE4C7F2-F123-43D9-B117-43C36A7AE018@me.com> Message-ID: Laurel: I think that Bryan gave you a lot of good information. I can enlighten you on the switch though. I have a MacBook pro and I split it with bootcamp, and I use the PC side of my computer way more. Like anything, if I had started with Macs, I think that I would have trouble switching to a PC, and I think that is the main reason I haven't switched. Because of the MS Word problems Bryan talked about, I will never fully switch, because I plan to go back to school, and unless you are majoring in something in the arts or graphic design, you absolutely have to have access to the Microsoft Suite while in school. I love VoiceOver though. You'll pick up the track pad quickly because of using an iPhone, and it is amazing. There are a lot of 3 and 4 key combinations. Basically, if I could mix the advantages of PC's and Macs when it comes to accessibility, I would. i like and dislike them both for different reasons. One thing to know about VoiceOver is that it gives you an idea of the layout of pages much better than screen readers on PC's. While it's great to know that, I have found that it sometimes slows me down when I just need to navigate to one specific thing. I love Textedit. Numbers is pretty similar to Excel, but you'll have to get used to the fact that Macs are more artsy and eye appealing. Programs are going to automatically look nice. While this takes some pressure off of a blind person when it comes to printing spreadsheets without graphs on top of them, they are sometimes cumbersome to navigate. I found the same thing in Keynote. In some ways, it is much more accessible than JAWS and PowerPoint, but again, you can insert a picture and you won't be able to get feedback about whether you put it in the right place, and text boxes aren't very navigacable especially when you arrange multiple columns. In any case, if you are curious, and if you learn more and really want to switch, just know that you can always split your Mac with Bootcamp. Even though I do use Windows too much, I think that Apple products are made better, and the warrantee is great. I also second getting the refirbished products. I got a 13-inch pro with 3 years of Apple care for $50 less than the New 13-inch pro with only the standard 1 year warrantee. I got the 3 years of Apple care, because it was my first time buying a refirbished Apple product, so I wanted to be safe, and Apple care is much more inclusive than the regular warrantee. There are basically no questions asked if something happens to your product. I do disagree about the air though. Your decision should be made on what you need to do with your computer, but the Pro has more memory, and is not much bigger. It also has more ports to plug things in and an SD card slot which is great if you take a lot of pictures. Good luck in your decision, and I hope I was able to provide some good information for you. Cindy On 4/20/12, Bryan Jones wrote: > Hello Laurel, > > My perspective is as someone who has never used a Windows screen reader, so > I can't offer much in terms of comparing VoiceOver to Jaws or Window-Eyes or > NVDA, but I can provide a bit of input to a few of your other questions. > >> 1. Macbook Pro vs iMac. > I've used a variety of Mac desktops and laptops in the past 5 or 6 years and > my personal favorite is the current 11 inch Macbook Air. Portability is a > high priority for me, and the Air also offers good performance and a decent, > though notperfect, keyboard. If you are set on choosing between an MBP and > an iMac, you might consider waiting another month or two as rumor has it > Apple will soon be introducing updated versions of the MBP. > >> 3, Kurzweil / OCR options. > I use Abbyy FineReader Express for OCR. It's been able to handle most of the > jobs I've thrown at it, including PDF conversions and multi-language > documents. Again, I've never used Kurzweil, so can't offer a comparison. > >> 4, anything else. >> 4a. MS Office for Mac is not accessible using VO. In fact, if you expect >> to be editing or creating documents that include tables and several other >> key elements, there is currently no word processor that smoothly allows VO >> access to these functions. Pages and Nissus Writer are close and getting >> better, but are not there yet. That said, if you do not expect to be >> working with complex documents, you might be OK just using the Mac's very >> good built-in word processor called Textedit. It opens Word documents and >> can save in a variety of formats. > > 4b. Web browser options are still limited on the Mac. Safari and it's > cousins Webkit and Chrome work OK with VO, but FIrefox and Opera aren't > there yet and there is no version of IE on the Mac. > 4c. Generally, when folks ask me if I think they should switch to a Mac, my > answer is "No, unless you really have a desire to learn something different > or you just want a new toy." For most Users and functions, the Mac OS is no > better than Windows. You'll still crash sometimes, you'll still be > vulnerable to malware and other security threats, and you'll find plenty of > hardware and software that does not play well with VO. > Plus if you've already invested in an expensive windows screen reader, and > expensive Windows office suite, and if they're working OK for you, you'll > lose that investment when moving too the Mac unless you decide to go through > the hassle of installing Windows on your Mac. > > More than anything else, I strongly suggest spending time in an Apple Store, > Best Buy or other place where you can get your hands on the Macs and spend a > bit of time trying them out. If you want to actively learn how to use VO > while sitting in front of any current Mac, you can turn on VO by pressing > Command+F5. The Command key is the key immediately to the left of the > spacebar, and the F5 key is the sixth key from the left in the top row (the > first key being the escape key). When you press Command+F5, you should hear > the announcement, "VoiceOver On." Once VoiceOver is running, you can access > a quick VoiceOver tutorial by pressing and holding the three keys located > immediately to the left of the Spacebar and then pressing the F8 key, which > is the ninth key from the left in the top row. You should hear VoiceOver > announce, "VoiceOver Quick Start." The quick start tutorial will introduce > you to the "VO" keys and will point you in the right direction for learning > more about the Mac and VO. Consider bringing a pair of headphones or earbuds > when you try this out. It can get pretty noisy in an Apple store. > > If you haven't already joined, there are a number of active email lists and > forums for blind and low-vision Mac Users. A quick google will turn up a > list of them. > > One last note: I personally think the best way to purchase a Mac is through > Apple's own refurb store, which can be found from their main shopping site > at store dot apple dot com. Macs purchased there usually cost a couple > hundred dollars less, come with the exact same 1 year warranty as new Macs > and can be covered under the same extended Applecare warranty plans. The > only Macs I've had to take in for service were ones I purchased new. My > refurbs have never needed service. > > HTH, > Bryan > > On Apr 20, 2012, at 10:29 AM, Laurel wrote: > >> Hi all, >> I have to confess, I haven't been watching the recent thread where >> people were talking about mac vs. pc. I wanted to buy a mac but I >> didn't have the money so I was putting it off. This week I got some >> very unexpected money from somewhere (I don't wanna go into all the >> details) but I have enough to buy a mac. I plan to do so but I wanted >> to ask some questions about the mac that maybe some of y'all could >> answer for me. >> >> 1. Do you all prefer the Mac Book Pro (lap top) or the iMac (desk top). >> 2, those of you who use JAWS and switched to voice over on the mac, >> how hard/easy was the switch? I already use voice over on the >> iPad/iPhone but I'm not used to it on the mac yet. >> 3, Do any of you use Kurzweil for scanning? I have Kurzweil 1000 for >> windows, and I don't know what to do for my scanning program on a mac. >> Should I use my Kurzweil, I know you can use mac to run programs that >> run on windows, or should I switch to another program. What other >> scanning programs out there work well with voice over? >> >> 4, is there anything else, accessibility related as far as softwear >> goes, that I should know before I make the switch? >> >> I plan on keeping my pc at least for the summer so I can slowly switch >> over and have time to get used to a mac. I know this is a long email, >> but for you mac users out there, thanks for the help. It's >> appreciated. >> Laurel and Stockard >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/opensesame%40me.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com > -- Cindy Bennett B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com 828.989.5383 From arielle71 at gmail.com Sat Apr 21 21:11:01 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 15:11:01 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Techniques for Doing Math in Braille Message-ID: Hi Laney and all, As we know, when choosing alternative techniques to get our work done we often have to make trade-offs. In this case there is a trade-off between the amount of stuff we carry around and the extra clarity provided by doing math using Braille writing equipment. Everyone will come to a different opinion about what works best for them, and that is fine. For some of us it is worth the back pain and hassle to carry a Perkins Brailler between home and class; for others of us working on the Braille Note is efficient and clear enough that we decide not to bother with the heavy Braille books and equipment. I can definitely see some compromises, though. For example could you use your Braille Note for taking notes in class but use your Perkins for doing homework assignments at home? Also, do you need your calc textbook with you in class every day or is it mostly used for working homework problems? I have not taken calculus since high school, but when I did I did all my notetaking and homework assignments on a Braille notetaker (Braille Lite was the best device at that time). I have also taken four statistics classes in college and grad school and in all cases, I took notes on a Braille Note or laptop and completed homework using my laptop, with my Braille Note as a calculator and way to write down equations and formulas for my own reference. While reading long equations on a small Braille display can be a nuisance, and isn't the best method for everyone, it might be worthwhile to practice notetaking on your Braille Note to build up your speed and confidence. When taking notes, it is not necessary to write in perfect Nemeth code or computer Braille. I often did my notes in a combination of Nemeth, literary Braille and other shorthand I made up that would only make sense to me. Your notes only need to make sense to you and they don't have to be exhaustive--they just need to capture the main ideas. Again, I think the best way to lighten your load would be to try using your Braillewriter only outside of class, and also see if you are able to forgo your Braille text while you are in class. Best of luck, Arielle From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Sat Apr 21 21:14:27 2012 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 14:14:27 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Techniques for Doing Math in Braille References: Message-ID: <92957DEE3B394068B2A1FFC81B470BD1@stanford.edu> Also, depending on what level of calc you are doing and if you are willing to take a little extra time, there is a way to convert Nemeth written on an electronic Braille notetaker into LaTex and then into PDF. Nicole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 2:11 PM Subject: [nabs-l] Techniques for Doing Math in Braille > Hi Laney and all, > As we know, when choosing alternative techniques to get our work done > we often have to make trade-offs. In this case there is a trade-off > between the amount of stuff we carry around and the extra clarity > provided by doing math using Braille writing equipment. Everyone will > come to a different opinion about what works best for them, and that > is fine. For some of us it is worth the back pain and hassle to carry > a Perkins Brailler between home and class; for others of us working on > the Braille Note is efficient and clear enough that we decide not to > bother with the heavy Braille books and equipment. I can definitely > see some compromises, though. For example could you use your Braille > Note for taking notes in class but use your Perkins for doing homework > assignments at home? Also, do you need your calc textbook with you in > class every day or is it mostly used for working homework problems? > I have not taken calculus since high school, but when I did I did all > my notetaking and homework assignments on a Braille notetaker (Braille > Lite was the best device at that time). I have also taken four > statistics classes in college and grad school and in all cases, I took > notes on a Braille Note or laptop and completed homework using my > laptop, with my Braille Note as a calculator and way to write down > equations and formulas for my own reference. While reading long > equations on a small Braille display can be a nuisance, and isn't the > best method for everyone, it might be worthwhile to practice > notetaking on your Braille Note to build up your speed and confidence. > When taking notes, it is not necessary to write in perfect Nemeth code > or computer Braille. I often did my notes in a combination of Nemeth, > literary Braille and other shorthand I made up that would only make > sense to me. Your notes only need to make sense to you and they don't > have to be exhaustive--they just need to capture the main ideas. > Again, I think the best way to lighten your load would be to try using > your Braillewriter only outside of class, and also see if you are able > to forgo your Braille text while you are in class. > Best of luck, > Arielle > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com From leanicole1988 at gmail.com Sat Apr 21 21:16:10 2012 From: leanicole1988 at gmail.com (Lea williams) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 17:16:10 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Attempting to locate a book In-Reply-To: <56E5270976144EC09A45C6BD373E6645@OwnerPC> References: <09AA7CC2-1BD7-4208-B76E-537BF5E1D937@yahoo.co.uk> <56E5270976144EC09A45C6BD373E6645@OwnerPC> Message-ID: When I had a book I was not able to find, I had the school get the PDF file of it sent to us or even my teachers would give me a copy that they would have already, and if I had bot the book itself, I would just turn around and sell it a bit cheeper to another student. On 4/20/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > but you cannot access it as a student; your dss has to and to do so they > have to be a member. Not all schools belong to access texts. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Orlowski > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 8:10 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Attempting to locate a book > > Also try access text > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 20 Apr 2012, at 05:53, "Anjelina" wrote: > >> Thanks Mary for the tips. I have free access to the print text, so I'm >> considering scanning the book myself since it'll be quicker than trying to >> >> track down an electronic copy. >> >> Anjelina >> -----Original Message----- From: Mary Fernandez >> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 11:03 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Attempting to locate a book >> >> Hi Angelina, >> When do you need it? >> You can try and place a request on bookshare for them to scan it for >> you. Your school can also Contact, AMAC which is a company that scan >> books. How this helps. >> Mary >> >> >> On 4/19/12, Anjelina wrote: >>> Good evening list, >>> Would anyone have access to the following book: >>> I've tried to locate it on Bookshare and Learning Ally with no success. >>> Thanks for any assistance. >>> the dialectical behavior therapy skills workbook >>> >>> Anjelina >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Mary Fernandez >> Emory 2012 >> "Do I dare >> Disturb the universe? >> In a minute there is time >> For decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse." >> -- >> T.S. 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One need not be a Colorado resident to apply. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jean McAllister Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 14:32:05 -0600 Subject: Fwd: 04/17/12 JOB ANNOUNCEMENTS To: MChacon at adams50.org, Kara Hanson , Peter Home , Nalin Mehta , Silverman Arielle , Penn Street , lbonderson at labarrelaw.com, slabarre at labarrelaw.com, Lucie Kiwimagi , mchacon at msn.com, Evelyn Tileston , Laverne DELL , Jean.McAllister at state.co.us, Mary.Mcghee at state.co.us, Lucie Kiwimagi , Peter Link , boyerbarbara at yahoo.com, cokereese at yahoo.com Good Afternoon Commissioners, This is a rehabilitation counselor position with the State. Please forward to your networks. And enjoy the sunshine while you are at it. Jean Jean G. McAllister, Administrator Colorado Commission for Individuals Who Are Blind or Visually Impaired Division of Boards and Commissions Colorado Department of Human Services 1575 Sherman Street, First Floor Denver, CO 80203 303-866-5867 Jean.McAllister at state.co.us ***CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT*** This email and any attachments from the Colorado Department of Human Services are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. The information contained herein may include protected or otherwise privileged information. Unauthorized review, forwarding, printing, copying, distributing, or using such information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender by replying to this message and delete the email without further disclosure. >>> Karen Chavez 4/17/2012 3:52 PM >>> CO-Jobs is the STATE OF COLORADO Job Announcement System CO-Jobs now accepts applications online. 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Name: 0417 DHSJobAnnouncements.DOC Type: application/msword Size: 355840 bytes Desc: not available URL: From readtobuild at gmail.com Sat Apr 21 23:15:53 2012 From: readtobuild at gmail.com (Lanie) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 18:15:53 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Techniques for Doing Math in Braille Message-ID: <4f933fc6.c3c1320a.4857.fffff1a7@mx.google.com> Thanks for the advice everyone. I already use my BrailleNote for homework, but I do need to try to get faster at taking notes with it. This is tough because I've always had trouble taking notes. I have trouble coming up with shorthand and figuring out the main idea of stuff to write it down. As for the textbooks, I only need one for class, but the rest are for homework between classes. I'm often on campus doing homework for about 4-5 hours before and between classes. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" References: <4f933fc6.c3c1320a.4857.fffff1a7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Lenie, so you don't live on campus? Is this a 4 year or community college? I think I have some ideas; will write later. -----Original Message----- From: Lanie Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 7:15 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Techniques for Doing Math in Braille Thanks for the advice everyone. I already use my BrailleNote for homework, but I do need to try to get faster at taking notes with it. This is tough because I've always had trouble taking notes. I have trouble coming up with shorthand and figuring out the main idea of stuff to write it down. As for the textbooks, I only need one for class, but the rest are for homework between classes. I'm often on campus doing homework for about 4-5 hours before and between classes. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" Hi All, I’ll be getting an IPhone, and am thinking about getting a completely accessible GPS, which closely resembles HumanWare’s Trekker. What GPS applications have you used, and do they work well? I just want to make sure that I get the most accessible and user-friendly GPS app out there. Ian From readtobuild at gmail.com Sun Apr 22 00:09:17 2012 From: readtobuild at gmail.com (Lanie) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 19:09:17 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Techniques for Doing Math in Braille Message-ID: <4f934c4c.30aa3c0a.38bb.ffffc8b6@mx.google.com> No. I don't live on campus. It's a community college. That's why I take my books with me so I can work when I'm not in class. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" References: <4f934c4c.30aa3c0a.38bb.ffffc8b6@mx.google.com> Message-ID: So, this community college lets you take classes, while you're attending the school for the Blind? Just wondering. Thanks, Joshua On 4/21/12, Lanie wrote: > No. I don't live on campus. It's a community college. That's > why I take my books with me so I can work when I'm not in class. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 19:34:04 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Techniques for Doing Math in Braille > > Lenie, > so you don't live on campus? Is this a 4 year or community > college? > I think I have some ideas; will write later. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lanie > Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 7:15 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Techniques for Doing Math in Braille > > Thanks for the advice everyone. I already use my BrailleNote for > homework, but I do need to try to get faster at taking notes with > it. This is tough because I've always had trouble taking notes. > I have trouble > coming up with shorthand and figuring out the main idea of stuff > to write it down. As for the textbooks, I only need one for > class, but the rest are for homework between classes. I'm often > on campus doing homework for about 4-5 hours before and between > classes. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 14:14:27 -0700 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Techniques for Doing Math in Braille > > Also, depending on what level of calc you are doing and if you > are willing > to take a little extra time, there is a way to convert Nemeth > written on an > electronic Braille notetaker into LaTex and then into PDF. > > Nicole > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arielle Silverman" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 2:11 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] Techniques for Doing Math in Braille > > > Hi Laney and all, > As we know, when choosing alternative techniques to get our work > done > we often have to make trade-offs. In this case there is a > trade-off > between the amount of stuff we carry around and the extra > clarity > provided by doing math using Braille writing equipment. > Everyone will > come to a different opinion about what works best for them, and > that > is fine. For some of us it is worth the back pain and hassle to > carry > a Perkins Brailler between home and class; for others of us > working on > the Braille Note is efficient and clear enough that we decide > not to > bother with the heavy Braille books and equipment. I can > definitely > see some compromises, though. For example could you use your > Braille > Note for taking notes in class but use your Perkins for doing > homework > assignments at home? Also, do you need your calc textbook with > you in > class every day or is it mostly used for working homework > problems? > I have not taken calculus since high school, but when I did I > did all > my notetaking and homework assignments on a Braille notetaker > (Braille > Lite was the best device at that time). I have also taken four > statistics classes in college and grad school and in all cases, > I took > notes on a Braille Note or laptop and completed homework using > my > laptop, with my Braille Note as a calculator and way to write > down > equations and formulas for my own reference. While reading long > equations on a small Braille display can be a nuisance, and > isn't the > best method for everyone, it might be worthwhile to practice > notetaking on your Braille Note to build up your speed and > confidence. > When taking notes, it is not necessary to write in perfect > Nemeth code > or computer Braille. I often did my notes in a combination of > Nemeth, > literary Braille and other shorthand I made up that would only > make > sense to me. Your notes only need to make sense to you and they > don't > have to be exhaustive--they just need to capture the main ideas. > Again, I think the best way to lighten your load would be to try > using > your Braillewriter only outside of class, and also see if you > are able > to forgo your Braille text while you are in class. > Best of luck, > Arielle > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40 > wavecable.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/readtobuild%4 > 0gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > 0earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/readtobuild%4 > 0gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com Sun Apr 22 00:17:33 2012 From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 20:17:33 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Techniques for Doing Math in Braille In-Reply-To: References: <4f933fc6.c3c1320a.4857.fffff1a7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Lanie, I double majored in psychology and statistics as an undergrad and took quite a few college-level math classes. Like you, I have always preferred the Perkins braille writer over electronic notetakers when it comes to doing math problems. I was, however, able to find a way to take notes efficiently in class using my Braille Note and only used the Perkins for homework assignments. In some instances where I had trouble taking down all the formulas and equations, I recorded the lectures using a digital voice recorder (after getting the instructor's permission) so that I can go back and review the details later. I lived on campus as an undergrad so was able to return to my dorm between classes to study and work on homework, but in your case, I'm wondering whether you could coordinate your study schedule a bit so that you could work on your assignments for other non-math classes (which probably only require a laptop or your braille notetaker) on campus and do the calculus problem sets while you are at home? I know that such adjustments can be a little annoying, but they may be worthwhile if carrying around all the heavy equipment and braille texts is really getting to you. Hope this helps! Katie On 4/21/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Lenie, > so you don't live on campus? Is this a 4 year or community college? > I think I have some ideas; will write later. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lanie > Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 7:15 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Techniques for Doing Math in Braille > > Thanks for the advice everyone. I already use my BrailleNote for > homework, but I do need to try to get faster at taking notes with > it. This is tough because I've always had trouble taking notes. > I have trouble > coming up with shorthand and figuring out the main idea of stuff > to write it down. As for the textbooks, I only need one for > class, but the rest are for homework between classes. I'm often > on campus doing homework for about 4-5 hours before and between > classes. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 14:14:27 -0700 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Techniques for Doing Math in Braille > > Also, depending on what level of calc you are doing and if you > are willing > to take a little extra time, there is a way to convert Nemeth > written on an > electronic Braille notetaker into LaTex and then into PDF. > > Nicole > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arielle Silverman" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 2:11 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] Techniques for Doing Math in Braille > > > Hi Laney and all, > As we know, when choosing alternative techniques to get our work > done > we often have to make trade-offs. In this case there is a > trade-off > between the amount of stuff we carry around and the extra > clarity > provided by doing math using Braille writing equipment. > Everyone will > come to a different opinion about what works best for them, and > that > is fine. For some of us it is worth the back pain and hassle to > carry > a Perkins Brailler between home and class; for others of us > working on > the Braille Note is efficient and clear enough that we decide > not to > bother with the heavy Braille books and equipment. I can > definitely > see some compromises, though. For example could you use your > Braille > Note for taking notes in class but use your Perkins for doing > homework > assignments at home? Also, do you need your calc textbook with > you in > class every day or is it mostly used for working homework > problems? > I have not taken calculus since high school, but when I did I > did all > my notetaking and homework assignments on a Braille notetaker > (Braille > Lite was the best device at that time). I have also taken four > statistics classes in college and grad school and in all cases, > I took > notes on a Braille Note or laptop and completed homework using > my > laptop, with my Braille Note as a calculator and way to write > down > equations and formulas for my own reference. While reading long > equations on a small Braille display can be a nuisance, and > isn't the > best method for everyone, it might be worthwhile to practice > notetaking on your Braille Note to build up your speed and > confidence. > When taking notes, it is not necessary to write in perfect > Nemeth code > or computer Braille. I often did my notes in a combination of > Nemeth, > literary Braille and other shorthand I made up that would only > make > sense to me. Your notes only need to make sense to you and they > don't > have to be exhaustive--they just need to capture the main ideas. > Again, I think the best way to lighten your load would be to try > using > your Braillewriter only outside of class, and also see if you > are able > to forgo your Braille text while you are in class. > Best of luck, > Arielle > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40 > wavecable.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/readtobuild%4 > 0gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com > From lholmes at gabstudents.org Sun Apr 22 01:00:06 2012 From: lholmes at gabstudents.org (LaKeisha Holmes) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 21:00:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] GPS IPhone Applications In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Ian, Navigon is a good GPS app. it costs about $50 but it is worth it! LaKeisha On Apr 21, 2012, at 8:04 PM, Ian Perrault wrote: > Hi All, > I’ll be getting an IPhone, and am thinking about getting a completely accessible GPS, which closely resembles HumanWare’s Trekker. What GPS applications have you used, and do they work well? I just want to make sure that I get the most accessible and user-friendly GPS app out there. > > Ian > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lakeisha.renee%40gmail.com LaKeisha Holmes President Georgia Association of Blind Students (404) 580-3040 lholmes at gabstudents.org GABStudents.org "Success is to be measured not so much by the position that one has reached in life as by the obstacles which he has overcome." -Booker T. Washington From coasterfreak88 at mac.com Sun Apr 22 01:42:06 2012 From: coasterfreak88 at mac.com (John Moore) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 20:42:06 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] GPS IPhone Applications In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50996A5A-548E-433A-AAA6-C9A29FCFF5F1@mac.com> Hi Ian. I recommend either Garmin Street Pilot or GPS by Telenav, also known as GPS Plus. THey are cheaper, there maps are updated in real-time, and they calculate routes based on traffic patterns. Navigon has some serious issues with VO at this point. From anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com Sun Apr 22 02:38:09 2012 From: anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com (Anmol Bhatia) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 19:38:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] newsline question Message-ID: <1335062289.65942.YahooMailClassic@web162005.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hello, What is the command on NFB newsline to email the article? I thought it was star 1, but when I do that it takes me to the main minue of the newspaper. Anmol I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers. Hellen Keller From SALISBURYJ08 at students.ecu.edu Sun Apr 22 02:48:18 2012 From: SALISBURYJ08 at students.ecu.edu (Salisbury, Justin Mark) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 02:48:18 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Job Listing - Rehab Teacher in CT Message-ID: <88680D55F430CF4593F993CADE7B0EDA3F7E945B@SN2PRD0102MB127.prod.exchangelabs.com> Job seekers: We, the NFB of Connecticut, would love to have a Federationist take this position in Connecticut! Please read the attached job listing if you are interested. Justin Salisbury Justin M. Salisbury Undergraduate Student The Honors College East Carolina University salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu “Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.” —MARGARET MEAD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: RehabilitationTeacher 1 Job Listing.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 103769 bytes Desc: RehabilitationTeacher 1 Job Listing.pdf URL: From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com Sun Apr 22 05:22:01 2012 From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 01:22:01 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Calling Out To All Students On This List Who Love To Read Talking Books Message-ID: Greetings Everyone! If you love to read a good book, then take a break from your studies, for Audio Access FM is going to give you the chance to get up close and personal with an A P H narrator who has read over 1500 digital talking books. If you've been reading talking books for awhile, I imagine the name Mitzi Friedlander rings a bell for you. Well, tonight, you all get the opportunity to spend an evening with her, as Jonathan Matte presents Anything Entertainment: An Evening WIth MItzi Friedlander tonight on Audio Access FM!!! Imagine that you're on vacation. It's a warm summer's day. The temperature is high enough to be warm and pleasant, but not too high to be terribly hot or uncomfortable. The sky is a bright blue; the grass is a perfect green; and the sun combined with a gentle cooling breeze creates for you that picture perfect day. Sun tan oil rubbed on, a nice cool glass of lemonade on the table beside you, the latest book from your favorite author purchased and loaded into your mp3 player, you're about to settle down for a quiet afternoon of reading in the sun. And there's nothing that enhances an audio book more than when it's read by a narrator that has an unforgettable voice combined with the ability to captivate the listener. And if there's one narrator who has managed to secure a place in the minds and hearts of countless readers it's none other than Mitzi Friedlander! If you're an avid talking book reader, and have read many of the books put together by The American Printing House For The Blind, the name Mitzi Friedlander is as well known to you as Louis Armstrong would be to a lover of jazz! But if you don't know the name Mitzi Friedlander, you have the opportunity to learn just why so many readers of all ages are unable to forget this incredible lady! That opportunity will come your way this Sunday, April 22 2012, at 6 PM eastern time, as Jonathan Matte, host of Anything Entertainment on the internet radio station Audio Access FM, presents An Evening With Mitzi Friedlander." Join Jonathan as he tells Mitzi's story through a live interview with her. You'll learn about Mitzi's career, the books she's read, and so much more. Why is she so famous to talking book readers? You'll just have to tune in Sunday night to find out! To hear the show live, tune in starting at 6 PM eastern (5 PM central, 4 PM mountain, 3 PM pacific) by going to either http://www.audioaccessfm.com/listen_live.php or if that link gives you trouble, go to http://www.audioaccessfm.com/broadband.php Can't listen with your PC? No problem. The interview can be heard by picking up your cell or lan line phone and dialing 1-712-432-3900 and when prompted, enter in access code 135845 followed by the pound sign. This is a presentation you're sure not to forget, delivered by a young man with a conversational style that will make you feel like you've known Mitzi for years by the time he's done. So, at least for this Sunday, turn off the TV, grab your favorite meal, pull up a chair, and tell your friends to either join us by phone or pc for Anything Entertainment: An Evening With Mitzi Friedlander" this Sunday, April 22, 2012 beginning at 6 PM eastern on Audio Access FM, Stretching The Boundaries Of Sound Entertainment And Filling Your Life With Sweet Ear Candy! http://www.audioaccessfm.com Can't make the live presentation? If for some reason you can't be there live, send an email to daviddunphy at audioaccessfm.com letting him know you'd like a link to download a recording of the show, and you'll receive the link as soon as it becomes available, which will be shortly after the interview has finished. For all other inquiries about the interview, or if you have any questions about the Anything Entertainment Program, contact the show host, Jonathan Matte at jmatte28 at audioaccessfm.com See You On Sunday!!! >From Jonathan Matte> From gloria.graves at gmail.com Sun Apr 22 12:59:32 2012 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 07:59:32 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] newsline question References: <1335062289.65942.YahooMailClassic@web162005.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi, sorry this has nothing to do with this particular post, but I for some reason have issues making new posts. when I send a new post I get an email back saying it didn't go through. I am not sure what is going on. My question is to those who are or who have used the victor reader classic x plus. I have the necessary keys programed to used the learning ali books on cd, but now my reader is saying something about creating a new profile and I am not able to read the book. did I press a button or something and is there a way to reset the machine so I can continue to read my books? Please let me know as soon as possible. I was in the middle of doing reading for a class assignment. Thanks and sorry again about interupting this post. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anmol Bhatia" To: Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 9:38 PM Subject: [nabs-l] newsline question > Hello, > What is the command on NFB newsline to email the article? I thought it was > star 1, but when I do that it takes me to the main minue of the newspaper. > > Anmol > I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps > there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze > among flowers. > Hellen Keller > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From gloria.graves at gmail.com Sun Apr 22 13:32:50 2012 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 08:32:50 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] victor reader classic x Plus Message-ID: <7A3A9991157F4263B1419EB4F728EAAA@Gloria> Hello All, I am using the victor reader classic x plus to read textbooks on cd from learning ali. I know this is a older machine, but I like using it even though I have a newer audio book reader. I have had this reader for about five years and purchased the keys needed to read the learning ali books on cd. I am trying to use it now and when I turn it on it says something about creating a new profile. I am not sure if I hit a button and held it for to long without realizing it or waht, but I was wondering if there was a reset button that I could press to get rid of this issue or if anyone could help. Thanks I was in the middle of working on an assignment for a psychology class. if anyone could help that would be great. Thanks From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sun Apr 22 14:21:02 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 09:21:02 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] victor reader classic x Plus In-Reply-To: <7A3A9991157F4263B1419EB4F728EAAA@Gloria> References: <7A3A9991157F4263B1419EB4F728EAAA@Gloria> Message-ID: Hi, Gloria. I have a Daizy player, that plays Learning Ally CD's. I don't know if they still have the old Daizy players, but if not, someone might be willing to sell you one. Blessings, Joshua On 4/22/12, Gloria G wrote: > Hello All, > I am using the victor reader classic x plus to read textbooks on cd from > learning ali. I know this is a older machine, but I like using it even > though I have a newer audio book reader. I have had this reader for about > five years and purchased the keys needed to read the learning ali books on > cd. I am trying to use it now and when I turn it on it says something about > creating a new profile. I am not sure if I hit a button and held it for to > long without realizing it or waht, but I was wondering if there was a reset > button that I could press to get rid of this issue or if anyone could help. > Thanks I was in the middle of working on an assignment for a psychology > class. if anyone could help that would be great. Thanks > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From brlsurfer at gmail.com Sun Apr 22 17:43:45 2012 From: brlsurfer at gmail.com (vejas) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 09:43:45 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] need a book of shakespeare's sonnets Message-ID: <4f943542.e41c340a.0358.ffff8518@mx.google.com> Hi, I need a book of William Shakespeare's sonnets for English class. Do you know of any good ones on Bookshare, or at least can I just have a list of the ones you had to use? Thanks so much. Vejas From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sun Apr 22 16:48:46 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 11:48:46 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] need a book of shakespeare's sonnets In-Reply-To: <4f943542.e41c340a.0358.ffff8518@mx.google.com> References: <4f943542.e41c340a.0358.ffff8518@mx.google.com> Message-ID: If it isn't on Bookshare, contact these people, if you'd rather have Braille texts. http://www.mbvol.org Also, Learning Ally may have them in audio. Depending on your state's VR, they might pay for the books, from Midwestern Braille. Blessings, Joshua On 4/22/12, vejas wrote: > Hi, > I need a book of William Shakespeare's sonnets for English class. > Do you know of any good ones on Bookshare, or at least can I just > have a list of the ones you had to use? > Thanks so much. > Vejas > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Sun Apr 22 17:14:22 2012 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 10:14:22 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Nabs Membership call: Sports and fitness In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Greettings Nabs members! We hope everyone is getting excited for summer. Because it will be here very soon. And we know you want to look your best. So NABS is happy to host a call about ways to get in to shape and stay looking good. Please join us on April 22nd at 7pm eastern. For some fun conversation with some great folks who know all about fittness including Amber Sherrard and Serena Olsen. We all need to get out of our dormrooms or apartments and feel good about ourselves, so let’s start talking about it, so you can go do it! Confrence call number is : 712-775-7100 code: 257963 Sincerely, Nabs Membership Committee From dandrews at visi.com Sun Apr 22 18:16:31 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 13:16:31 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] newsline question In-Reply-To: References: <1335062289.65942.YahooMailClassic@web162005.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: To create a new profile turn your machine off. Then hold down the book mark key, and the five key, at the same time you turn the machine back on. Dave At 07:59 AM 4/22/2012, you wrote: >Hi, >sorry this has nothing to do with this particular post, but I for >some reason have issues making new posts. when I send a new post I >get an email back saying it didn't go through. I am not sure what is >going on. My question is to those who are or who have used the >victor reader classic x plus. I have the necessary keys programed to >used the learning ali books on cd, but now my reader is saying >something about creating a new profile and I am not able to read the >book. did I press a button or something and is there a way to reset >the machine so I can continue to read my books? Please let me know >as soon as possible. I was in the middle of doing reading for a >class assignment. Thanks and sorry again about interupting this post. > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Anmol Bhatia" >To: >Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 9:38 PM >Subject: [nabs-l] newsline question > > >>Hello, >>What is the command on NFB newsline to email the article? I thought >>it was star 1, but when I do that it takes me to the main minue of >>the newspaper. >> >>Anmol >>I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. >>Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is >>vague, like a breeze among flowers. >>Hellen Keller From lizmohnke at hotmail.com Sun Apr 22 18:18:17 2012 From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 14:18:17 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] victor reader classic x Plus In-Reply-To: <7A3A9991157F4263B1419EB4F728EAAA@Gloria> References: <7A3A9991157F4263B1419EB4F728EAAA@Gloria> Message-ID: Hello Gloria, I use the Victor Reader Stream, so I am not familiar with the specific machine you are using. However, I know you can reset the profile on the Victor Stream by simultaneously pressing the power button with the five button which is also the button in the middle of the machine with a raised dot on it. I am not sure if your machine has the same kind of button set up as the Victor Reader, but if it does, perhaps you could give this a try to see if it helps. If not, then I would suggest contacting Humanware so they can walk you through the process of resetting the profile on your specific machine. Good luck, Elizabeth ------------------------------------------------- From: "Gloria G" Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 9:32 AM To: Subject: [nabs-l] victor reader classic x Plus > Hello All, > I am using the victor reader classic x plus to read textbooks on cd from > learning ali. I know this is a older machine, but I like using it even > though I have a newer audio book reader. I have had this reader for about > five years and purchased the keys needed to read the learning ali books on > cd. I am trying to use it now and when I turn it on it says something > about creating a new profile. I am not sure if I hit a button and held it > for to long without realizing it or waht, but I was wondering if there was > a reset button that I could press to get rid of this issue or if anyone > could help. Thanks I was in the middle of working on an assignment for a > psychology class. if anyone could help that would be great. Thanks > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > From lizmohnke at hotmail.com Sun Apr 22 18:21:52 2012 From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 14:21:52 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] newsline question In-Reply-To: References: <1335062289.65942.YahooMailClassic@web162005.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Oh yeah, the bookmark key with the five key. I thought I was forgetting something. Thanks for the reminder. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------------- From: "David Andrews" Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 2:16 PM To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Subject: Re: [nabs-l] newsline question > To create a new profile turn your machine off. Then hold down the book > mark key, and the five key, at the same time you turn the machine back on. > > Dave > > At 07:59 AM 4/22/2012, you wrote: >>Hi, >>sorry this has nothing to do with this particular post, but I for some >>reason have issues making new posts. when I send a new post I get an email >>back saying it didn't go through. I am not sure what is going on. My >>question is to those who are or who have used the victor reader classic x >>plus. I have the necessary keys programed to used the learning ali books >>on cd, but now my reader is saying something about creating a new profile >>and I am not able to read the book. did I press a button or something and >>is there a way to reset the machine so I can continue to read my books? >>Please let me know as soon as possible. I was in the middle of doing >>reading for a class assignment. Thanks and sorry again about interupting >>this post. >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Anmol Bhatia" >>To: >>Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 9:38 PM >>Subject: [nabs-l] newsline question >> >> >>>Hello, >>>What is the command on NFB newsline to email the article? I thought it >>>was star 1, but when I do that it takes me to the main minue of the >>>newspaper. >>> >>>Anmol >>>I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps >>>there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a >>>breeze among flowers. >>>Hellen Keller > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > From gloria.graves at gmail.com Sun Apr 22 18:52:59 2012 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 13:52:59 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] newsline question References: <1335062289.65942.YahooMailClassic@web162005.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <29A3398172E74A6A98E50BF3A26DAAE5@Gloria> i do not want to create a new profile. i want to be able to use the machine with the keys I already had to play the books on cd. if i do this comand will it require me to purchase new keys? I have already purchased keys needed to read the RFBD books on cd. thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Andrews" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] newsline question > To create a new profile turn your machine off. Then hold down the book > mark key, and the five key, at the same time you turn the machine back on. > > Dave > > At 07:59 AM 4/22/2012, you wrote: >>Hi, >>sorry this has nothing to do with this particular post, but I for some >>reason have issues making new posts. when I send a new post I get an email >>back saying it didn't go through. I am not sure what is going on. My >>question is to those who are or who have used the victor reader classic x >>plus. I have the necessary keys programed to used the learning ali books >>on cd, but now my reader is saying something about creating a new profile >>and I am not able to read the book. did I press a button or something and >>is there a way to reset the machine so I can continue to read my books? >>Please let me know as soon as possible. I was in the middle of doing >>reading for a class assignment. Thanks and sorry again about interupting >>this post. >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Anmol Bhatia" >>To: >>Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 9:38 PM >>Subject: [nabs-l] newsline question >> >> >>>Hello, >>>What is the command on NFB newsline to email the article? I thought it >>>was star 1, but when I do that it takes me to the main minue of the >>>newspaper. >>> >>>Anmol >>>I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps >>>there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a >>>breeze among flowers. >>>Hellen Keller > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From gloria.graves at gmail.com Sun Apr 22 18:53:38 2012 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 13:53:38 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] victor reader classic x Plus References: <7A3A9991157F4263B1419EB4F728EAAA@Gloria> Message-ID: <298555BA61B64BD5ABDF4B5C0C98827B@Gloria> thank you very much for this suggestion. i will try it and see what happens thanks again ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] victor reader classic x Plus > Hello Gloria, > > I use the Victor Reader Stream, so I am not familiar with the specific > machine you are using. However, I know you can reset the profile on the > Victor Stream by simultaneously pressing the power button with the five > button which is also the button in the middle of the machine with a raised > dot on it. I am not sure if your machine has the same kind of button set > up as the Victor Reader, but if it does, perhaps you could give this a try > to see if it helps. If not, then I would suggest contacting Humanware so > they can walk you through the process of resetting the profile on your > specific machine. > > Good luck, > Elizabeth > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > From: "Gloria G" > Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 9:32 AM > To: > Subject: [nabs-l] victor reader classic x Plus > >> Hello All, >> I am using the victor reader classic x plus to read textbooks on cd from >> learning ali. I know this is a older machine, but I like using it even >> though I have a newer audio book reader. I have had this reader for about >> five years and purchased the keys needed to read the learning ali books >> on cd. I am trying to use it now and when I turn it on it says something >> about creating a new profile. I am not sure if I hit a button and held it >> for to long without realizing it or waht, but I was wondering if there >> was a reset button that I could press to get rid of this issue or if >> anyone could help. Thanks I was in the middle of working on an assignment >> for a psychology class. if anyone could help that would be great. Thanks >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From dandrews at visi.com Sun Apr 22 18:58:20 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 13:58:20 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] newsline question In-Reply-To: <29A3398172E74A6A98E50BF3A26DAAE5@Gloria> References: <1335062289.65942.YahooMailClassic@web162005.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <29A3398172E74A6A98E50BF3A26DAAE5@Gloria> Message-ID: A new profile will not wipe out your keys. Dave At 01:52 PM 4/22/2012, you wrote: >i do not want to create a new profile. i want to be able to use the >machine with the keys I already had to play the books on cd. if i do >this comand will it require me to purchase new keys? I have already >purchased keys needed to read the RFBD books on cd. thanks >----- Original Message ----- From: "David Andrews" >To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 1:16 PM >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] newsline question > > >>To create a new profile turn your machine off. Then hold down the >>book mark key, and the five key, at the same time you turn the machine back on. >> >>Dave >> >>At 07:59 AM 4/22/2012, you wrote: >>>Hi, >>>sorry this has nothing to do with this particular post, but I for >>>some reason have issues making new posts. when I send a new post I >>>get an email back saying it didn't go through. I am not sure what >>>is going on. My question is to those who are or who have used the >>>victor reader classic x plus. I have the necessary keys programed >>>to used the learning ali books on cd, but now my reader is saying >>>something about creating a new profile and I am not able to read >>>the book. did I press a button or something and is there a way to >>>reset the machine so I can continue to read my books? Please let >>>me know as soon as possible. I was in the middle of doing reading >>>for a class assignment. Thanks and sorry again about interupting this post. >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Anmol Bhatia" >>>To: >>>Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 9:38 PM >>>Subject: [nabs-l] newsline question >>> >>> >>>>Hello, >>>>What is the command on NFB newsline to email the article? I >>>>thought it was star 1, but when I do that it takes me to the main >>>>minue of the newspaper. >>>> >>>>Anmol >>>>I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. >>>>Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is >>>>vague, like a breeze among flowers. >>>>Hellen Keller From gloria.graves at gmail.com Sun Apr 22 19:02:11 2012 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 14:02:11 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] newsline question References: <1335062289.65942.YahooMailClassic@web162005.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8E8C854889DF45789F4B5A7EA291B58B@Gloria> Hi I have tried this and nothing happens. Is there a reset button? thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Andrews" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] newsline question > To create a new profile turn your machine off. Then hold down the book > mark key, and the five key, at the same time you turn the machine back on. > > Dave > > At 07:59 AM 4/22/2012, you wrote: >>Hi, >>sorry this has nothing to do with this particular post, but I for some >>reason have issues making new posts. when I send a new post I get an email >>back saying it didn't go through. I am not sure what is going on. My >>question is to those who are or who have used the victor reader classic x >>plus. I have the necessary keys programed to used the learning ali books >>on cd, but now my reader is saying something about creating a new profile >>and I am not able to read the book. did I press a button or something and >>is there a way to reset the machine so I can continue to read my books? >>Please let me know as soon as possible. I was in the middle of doing >>reading for a class assignment. Thanks and sorry again about interupting >>this post. >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Anmol Bhatia" >>To: >>Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 9:38 PM >>Subject: [nabs-l] newsline question >> >> >>>Hello, >>>What is the command on NFB newsline to email the article? I thought it >>>was star 1, but when I do that it takes me to the main minue of the >>>newspaper. >>> >>>Anmol >>>I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps >>>there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a >>>breeze among flowers. >>>Hellen Keller > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From gloria.graves at gmail.com Sun Apr 22 19:17:51 2012 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 14:17:51 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] newsline question References: <1335062289.65942.YahooMailClassic@web162005.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><29A3398172E74A6A98E50BF3A26DAAE5@Gloria> Message-ID: i tried that and it doesn't work thanks for your help ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Andrews" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] newsline question >A new profile will not wipe out your keys. > > Dave > > At 01:52 PM 4/22/2012, you wrote: >>i do not want to create a new profile. i want to be able to use the >>machine with the keys I already had to play the books on cd. if i do this >>comand will it require me to purchase new keys? I have already purchased >>keys needed to read the RFBD books on cd. thanks >>----- Original Message ----- From: "David Andrews" >>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >>Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 1:16 PM >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] newsline question >> >> >>>To create a new profile turn your machine off. Then hold down the book >>>mark key, and the five key, at the same time you turn the machine back >>>on. >>> >>>Dave >>> >>>At 07:59 AM 4/22/2012, you wrote: >>>>Hi, >>>>sorry this has nothing to do with this particular post, but I for some >>>>reason have issues making new posts. when I send a new post I get an >>>>email back saying it didn't go through. I am not sure what is going on. >>>>My question is to those who are or who have used the victor reader >>>>classic x plus. I have the necessary keys programed to used the learning >>>>ali books on cd, but now my reader is saying something about creating a >>>>new profile and I am not able to read the book. did I press a button or >>>>something and is there a way to reset the machine so I can continue to >>>>read my books? Please let me know as soon as possible. I was in the >>>>middle of doing reading for a class assignment. Thanks and sorry again >>>>about interupting this post. >>>> >>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Anmol Bhatia" >>>> >>>>To: >>>>Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 9:38 PM >>>>Subject: [nabs-l] newsline question >>>> >>>> >>>>>Hello, >>>>>What is the command on NFB newsline to email the article? I thought it >>>>>was star 1, but when I do that it takes me to the main minue of the >>>>>newspaper. >>>>> >>>>>Anmol >>>>>I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. >>>>>Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, >>>>>like a breeze among flowers. >>>>>Hellen Keller > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Sun Apr 22 19:27:05 2012 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 12:27:05 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Page Number in Microsoft Word Message-ID: Is there a way to find out what page you are on in MSWord 2003? Nicole From dandrews at visi.com Sun Apr 22 19:30:59 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 14:30:59 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Newsline Command Message-ID: Someone asked how to e-mail them self an article from newsline on the phone, it is pound 9 that is #9. The pound sing then 9. Dave From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sun Apr 22 19:31:30 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 14:31:30 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Page Number in Microsoft Word In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I use 2007, and it always tells you the page numbers. I'd recommend the upgrade. Blessings, Joshua On 4/22/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: > Is there a way to find out what page you are on in MSWord 2003? > > Nicole > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Sun Apr 22 19:32:32 2012 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 15:32:32 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Page Number in Microsoft Word In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This works for Word 2010 and Word 2007, but I'm not sure it works for earlier versions. The worst that could happen is that it doesn't work, but you can try pressing F6. This should bring you to the page number thingie, and it'll say Page 1 of 6 or whatever. Good luck, Jewel On 4/22/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: > Is there a way to find out what page you are on in MSWord 2003? > > Nicole > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > From dandrews at visi.com Sun Apr 22 19:32:00 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 14:32:00 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] newsline question In-Reply-To: <8E8C854889DF45789F4B5A7EA291B58B@Gloria> References: <1335062289.65942.YahooMailClassic@web162005.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <8E8C854889DF45789F4B5A7EA291B58B@Gloria> Message-ID: I just realized you don't have a stream. The command may be different -- look it up in manual, or call humanware. The new profile command is essentially the reset button. Dave At 02:02 PM 4/22/2012, you wrote: >Hi I have tried this and nothing happens. Is there a reset button? thanks >----- Original Message ----- From: "David Andrews" >To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 1:16 PM >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] newsline question > > >>To create a new profile turn your machine off. Then hold down the >>book mark key, and the five key, at the same time you turn the machine back on. >> >>Dave >> >>At 07:59 AM 4/22/2012, you wrote: >>>Hi, >>>sorry this has nothing to do with this particular post, but I for >>>some reason have issues making new posts. when I send a new post I >>>get an email back saying it didn't go through. I am not sure what >>>is going on. My question is to those who are or who have used the >>>victor reader classic x plus. I have the necessary keys programed >>>to used the learning ali books on cd, but now my reader is saying >>>something about creating a new profile and I am not able to read >>>the book. did I press a button or something and is there a way to >>>reset the machine so I can continue to read my books? Please let >>>me know as soon as possible. I was in the middle of doing reading >>>for a class assignment. Thanks and sorry again about interupting this post. >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Anmol Bhatia" >>>To: >>>Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 9:38 PM >>>Subject: [nabs-l] newsline question >>> >>> >>>>Hello, >>>>What is the command on NFB newsline to email the article? I >>>>thought it was star 1, but when I do that it takes me to the main >>>>minue of the newspaper. >>>> >>>>Anmol >>>>I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. >>>>Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is >>>>vague, like a breeze among flowers. >>>>Hellen Keller From treyman19 at gmail.com Sun Apr 22 19:33:58 2012 From: treyman19 at gmail.com (Trey Bradley) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 15:33:58 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] newsline question In-Reply-To: <1335062289.65942.YahooMailClassic@web162005.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1335062289.65942.YahooMailClassic@web162005.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi I was wondering what is the phone number to News line the national number? On 4/21/12, Anmol Bhatia wrote: > Hello, > What is the command on NFB newsline to email the article? I thought it was > star 1, but when I do that it takes me to the main minue of the newspaper. > > Anmol > I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps > there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze > among flowers. > Hellen Keller > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/treyman19%40gmail.com > -- Roosevelt Bradley From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Sun Apr 22 19:46:23 2012 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 12:46:23 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Page Number in Microsoft Word References: Message-ID: <36640105008C4FFFA8B4616E1A5ECD96@stanford.edu> I have not upgraded because I do not care for the ribbon toolbar. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Page Number in Microsoft Word >I use 2007, and it always tells you the page numbers. > I'd recommend the upgrade. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 4/22/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: >> Is there a way to find out what page you are on in MSWord 2003? >> >> Nicole >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Sun Apr 22 20:39:22 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 14:39:22 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Page Number in Microsoft Word In-Reply-To: <36640105008C4FFFA8B4616E1A5ECD96@stanford.edu> References: <36640105008C4FFFA8B4616E1A5ECD96@stanford.edu> Message-ID: Have you tried Alt+Delete? Should tell you the page number your cursor is on, as well as the distance from the top of the page and from the left margin. Very useful for checking paragraph indentation as well as page numbers. I know it works in Word 2007 or later, and I think it works in Word 2003 as well, but check and make sure. Arielle On 4/22/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: > I have not upgraded because I do not care for the ribbon toolbar. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 12:31 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Page Number in Microsoft Word > > >>I use 2007, and it always tells you the page numbers. >> I'd recommend the upgrade. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 4/22/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: >>> Is there a way to find out what page you are on in MSWord 2003? >>> >>> Nicole >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From nfbcsoutreach at gmail.com Mon Apr 23 00:40:06 2012 From: nfbcsoutreach at gmail.com (community service Outreach) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 19:40:06 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Community Service membership call April 29th! Message-ID: Hi, everyone! It's time once again for the Community Service Group Membership call! This month Darian Smith, the chair of the group, will be speaking about his experiences with service: why he serves, how he got involved with service, his first service project. and his experiences with Americorps, The call-in information is below, as well as included in the flyer attached to this message. Call: 1-218-339-3600 When: Sunday, April 29th at 6 ET. Hope to see you there! Julie -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Torcolini at Home wrote: >Is there a way to find out what page you are on in MSWord 2003? >Nicole >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com From aubielynn at gmail.com Mon Apr 23 00:59:35 2012 From: aubielynn at gmail.com (Aubrie Lucas) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 16:59:35 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] need a book of shakespeare's sonnets In-Reply-To: References: <4f943542.e41c340a.0358.ffff8518@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <002501cd20ec$5d89e020$189da060$@com> There is a complete collection on Bookshare, called simply "The Sonnets". -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 8:49 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] need a book of shakespeare's sonnets If it isn't on Bookshare, contact these people, if you'd rather have Braille texts. http://www.mbvol.org Also, Learning Ally may have them in audio. Depending on your state's VR, they might pay for the books, from Midwestern Braille. Blessings, Joshua On 4/22/12, vejas wrote: > Hi, > I need a book of William Shakespeare's sonnets for English class. > Do you know of any good ones on Bookshare, or at least can I just have > a list of the ones you had to use? > Thanks so much. > Vejas > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40stud > ents.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aubielynn%40gmail.com From laurel.stockard at gmail.com Mon Apr 23 02:40:25 2012 From: laurel.stockard at gmail.com (Laurel) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 21:40:25 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] questions about a mac bok pro In-Reply-To: References: <1AE4C7F2-F123-43D9-B117-43C36A7AE018@me.com> Message-ID: Cindy, What is boot camp, and how can I get it? Does it automatically come or do I have to buy it, and if I have to buy it, how much does it cost? I know I'm asking alot of general broad questions, but I appreciate you all helping me out. Laurel and Stockard P.S. I am a foreign language major and will be doing alot of interpreting and translating. One of the reasons I love vo is it's good support for alot of languages, where I don't hafta download extra voices or buy extra languages. Thanks On 4/20/12, Cindy Bennett wrote: > Laurel: > > I think that Bryan gave you a lot of good information. I can enlighten > you on the switch though. I have a MacBook pro and I split it with > bootcamp, and I use the PC side of my computer way more. Like > anything, if I had started with Macs, I think that I would have > trouble switching to a PC, and I think that is the main reason I > haven't switched. Because of the MS Word problems Bryan talked about, > I will never fully switch, because I plan to go back to school, and > unless you are majoring in something in the arts or graphic design, > you absolutely have to have access to the Microsoft Suite while in > school. I love VoiceOver though. You'll pick up the track pad quickly > because of using an iPhone, and it is amazing. There are a lot of 3 > and 4 key combinations. Basically, if I could mix the advantages of > PC's and Macs when it comes to accessibility, I would. i like and > dislike them both for different reasons. > > One thing to know about VoiceOver is that it gives you an idea of the > layout of pages much better than screen readers on PC's. While it's > great to know that, I have found that it sometimes slows me down when > I just need to navigate to one specific thing. > > I love Textedit. Numbers is pretty similar to Excel, but you'll have > to get used to the fact that Macs are more artsy and eye appealing. > Programs are going to automatically look nice. While this takes some > pressure off of a blind person when it comes to printing spreadsheets > without graphs on top of them, they are sometimes cumbersome to > navigate. I found the same thing in Keynote. In some ways, it is much > more accessible than JAWS and PowerPoint, but again, you can insert a > picture and you won't be able to get feedback about whether you put it > in the right place, and text boxes aren't very navigacable especially > when you arrange multiple columns. > > In any case, if you are curious, and if you learn more and really want > to switch, just know that you can always split your Mac with Bootcamp. > Even though I do use Windows too much, I think that Apple products are > made better, and the warrantee is great. > > I also second getting the refirbished products. I got a 13-inch pro > with 3 years of Apple care for $50 less than the New 13-inch pro with > only the standard 1 year warrantee. I got the 3 years of Apple care, > because it was my first time buying a refirbished Apple product, so I > wanted to be safe, and Apple care is much more inclusive than the > regular warrantee. There are basically no questions asked if something > happens to your product. I do disagree about the air though. Your > decision should be made on what you need to do with your computer, but > the Pro has more memory, and is not much bigger. It also has more > ports to plug things in and an SD card slot which is great if you take > a lot of pictures. > > Good luck in your decision, and I hope I was able to provide some good > information for you. > > Cindy > > On 4/20/12, Bryan Jones wrote: >> Hello Laurel, >> >> My perspective is as someone who has never used a Windows screen reader, >> so >> I can't offer much in terms of comparing VoiceOver to Jaws or Window-Eyes >> or >> NVDA, but I can provide a bit of input to a few of your other questions. >> >>> 1. Macbook Pro vs iMac. >> I've used a variety of Mac desktops and laptops in the past 5 or 6 years >> and >> my personal favorite is the current 11 inch Macbook Air. Portability is a >> high priority for me, and the Air also offers good performance and a >> decent, >> though notperfect, keyboard. If you are set on choosing between an MBP >> and >> an iMac, you might consider waiting another month or two as rumor has it >> Apple will soon be introducing updated versions of the MBP. >> >>> 3, Kurzweil / OCR options. >> I use Abbyy FineReader Express for OCR. It's been able to handle most of >> the >> jobs I've thrown at it, including PDF conversions and multi-language >> documents. Again, I've never used Kurzweil, so can't offer a comparison. >> >>> 4, anything else. >>> 4a. MS Office for Mac is not accessible using VO. In fact, if you expect >>> to be editing or creating documents that include tables and several >>> other >>> key elements, there is currently no word processor that smoothly allows >>> VO >>> access to these functions. Pages and Nissus Writer are close and getting >>> better, but are not there yet. That said, if you do not expect to be >>> working with complex documents, you might be OK just using the Mac's >>> very >>> good built-in word processor called Textedit. It opens Word documents >>> and >>> can save in a variety of formats. >> >> 4b. Web browser options are still limited on the Mac. Safari and it's >> cousins Webkit and Chrome work OK with VO, but FIrefox and Opera aren't >> there yet and there is no version of IE on the Mac. >> 4c. Generally, when folks ask me if I think they should switch to a Mac, >> my >> answer is "No, unless you really have a desire to learn something >> different >> or you just want a new toy." For most Users and functions, the Mac OS is >> no >> better than Windows. You'll still crash sometimes, you'll still be >> vulnerable to malware and other security threats, and you'll find plenty >> of >> hardware and software that does not play well with VO. >> Plus if you've already invested in an expensive windows screen reader, >> and >> expensive Windows office suite, and if they're working OK for you, you'll >> lose that investment when moving too the Mac unless you decide to go >> through >> the hassle of installing Windows on your Mac. >> >> More than anything else, I strongly suggest spending time in an Apple >> Store, >> Best Buy or other place where you can get your hands on the Macs and spend >> a >> bit of time trying them out. If you want to actively learn how to use VO >> while sitting in front of any current Mac, you can turn on VO by pressing >> Command+F5. The Command key is the key immediately to the left of the >> spacebar, and the F5 key is the sixth key from the left in the top row >> (the >> first key being the escape key). When you press Command+F5, you should >> hear >> the announcement, "VoiceOver On." Once VoiceOver is running, you can >> access >> a quick VoiceOver tutorial by pressing and holding the three keys located >> immediately to the left of the Spacebar and then pressing the F8 key, >> which >> is the ninth key from the left in the top row. You should hear VoiceOver >> announce, "VoiceOver Quick Start." The quick start tutorial will >> introduce >> you to the "VO" keys and will point you in the right direction for >> learning >> more about the Mac and VO. Consider bringing a pair of headphones or >> earbuds >> when you try this out. It can get pretty noisy in an Apple store. >> >> If you haven't already joined, there are a number of active email lists >> and >> forums for blind and low-vision Mac Users. A quick google will turn up a >> list of them. >> >> One last note: I personally think the best way to purchase a Mac is >> through >> Apple's own refurb store, which can be found from their main shopping >> site >> at store dot apple dot com. Macs purchased there usually cost a couple >> hundred dollars less, come with the exact same 1 year warranty as new >> Macs >> and can be covered under the same extended Applecare warranty plans. The >> only Macs I've had to take in for service were ones I purchased new. My >> refurbs have never needed service. >> >> HTH, >> Bryan >> >> On Apr 20, 2012, at 10:29 AM, Laurel wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> I have to confess, I haven't been watching the recent thread where >>> people were talking about mac vs. pc. I wanted to buy a mac but I >>> didn't have the money so I was putting it off. This week I got some >>> very unexpected money from somewhere (I don't wanna go into all the >>> details) but I have enough to buy a mac. I plan to do so but I wanted >>> to ask some questions about the mac that maybe some of y'all could >>> answer for me. >>> >>> 1. Do you all prefer the Mac Book Pro (lap top) or the iMac (desk top). >>> 2, those of you who use JAWS and switched to voice over on the mac, >>> how hard/easy was the switch? I already use voice over on the >>> iPad/iPhone but I'm not used to it on the mac yet. >>> 3, Do any of you use Kurzweil for scanning? I have Kurzweil 1000 for >>> windows, and I don't know what to do for my scanning program on a mac. >>> Should I use my Kurzweil, I know you can use mac to run programs that >>> run on windows, or should I switch to another program. What other >>> scanning programs out there work well with voice over? >>> >>> 4, is there anything else, accessibility related as far as softwear >>> goes, that I should know before I make the switch? >>> >>> I plan on keeping my pc at least for the summer so I can slowly switch >>> over and have time to get used to a mac. I know this is a long email, >>> but for you mac users out there, thanks for the help. It's >>> appreciated. >>> Laurel and Stockard >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/opensesame%40me.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Cindy Bennett > B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington > > clb5590 at gmail.com > 828.989.5383 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stockard%40gmail.com > From coasterfreak88 at mac.com Mon Apr 23 02:51:47 2012 From: coasterfreak88 at mac.com (John Moore) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 21:51:47 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] questions about a mac bok pro In-Reply-To: References: <1AE4C7F2-F123-43D9-B117-43C36A7AE018@me.com> Message-ID: <6B31F0C8-AEDF-4B7A-A3BA-FFB289CE034A@mac.com> Hi Laurel. Do you have Skype? I have used a Mac for 6 years and can answer a lot of questions for you. Bootcamp comes on every Mac btw. From ignasicambra at gmail.com Mon Apr 23 04:31:50 2012 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ignasi_Cambra_D=EDaz?=) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 00:31:50 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] questions about a mac bok pro In-Reply-To: References: <1AE4C7F2-F123-43D9-B117-43C36A7AE018@me.com> Message-ID: <2EB2B236-F2A8-40AF-80D3-58660A6C4A85@gmail.com> Bootcamp comes with your Mac, but Windows doesn't. Setting up a bootcamp partition takes just a couple of minutes, but unless you have an automated Windows installation dvd you won't be able to install Windows independently. That's one of the things I love about Mac OS X, I can do everything by myself. On Apr 22, 2012, at 10:40 PM, Laurel wrote: > Cindy, > What is boot camp, and how can I get it? Does it automatically come or > do I have to buy it, and if I have to buy it, how much does it cost? > I know I'm asking alot of general broad questions, but I appreciate > you all helping me out. > Laurel and Stockard > > P.S. > I am a foreign language major and will be doing alot of interpreting > and translating. One of the reasons I love vo is it's good support for > alot of languages, where I don't hafta download extra voices or buy > extra languages. > Thanks > > On 4/20/12, Cindy Bennett wrote: >> Laurel: >> >> I think that Bryan gave you a lot of good information. I can enlighten >> you on the switch though. I have a MacBook pro and I split it with >> bootcamp, and I use the PC side of my computer way more. Like >> anything, if I had started with Macs, I think that I would have >> trouble switching to a PC, and I think that is the main reason I >> haven't switched. Because of the MS Word problems Bryan talked about, >> I will never fully switch, because I plan to go back to school, and >> unless you are majoring in something in the arts or graphic design, >> you absolutely have to have access to the Microsoft Suite while in >> school. I love VoiceOver though. You'll pick up the track pad quickly >> because of using an iPhone, and it is amazing. There are a lot of 3 >> and 4 key combinations. Basically, if I could mix the advantages of >> PC's and Macs when it comes to accessibility, I would. i like and >> dislike them both for different reasons. >> >> One thing to know about VoiceOver is that it gives you an idea of the >> layout of pages much better than screen readers on PC's. While it's >> great to know that, I have found that it sometimes slows me down when >> I just need to navigate to one specific thing. >> >> I love Textedit. Numbers is pretty similar to Excel, but you'll have >> to get used to the fact that Macs are more artsy and eye appealing. >> Programs are going to automatically look nice. While this takes some >> pressure off of a blind person when it comes to printing spreadsheets >> without graphs on top of them, they are sometimes cumbersome to >> navigate. I found the same thing in Keynote. In some ways, it is much >> more accessible than JAWS and PowerPoint, but again, you can insert a >> picture and you won't be able to get feedback about whether you put it >> in the right place, and text boxes aren't very navigacable especially >> when you arrange multiple columns. >> >> In any case, if you are curious, and if you learn more and really want >> to switch, just know that you can always split your Mac with Bootcamp. >> Even though I do use Windows too much, I think that Apple products are >> made better, and the warrantee is great. >> >> I also second getting the refirbished products. I got a 13-inch pro >> with 3 years of Apple care for $50 less than the New 13-inch pro with >> only the standard 1 year warrantee. I got the 3 years of Apple care, >> because it was my first time buying a refirbished Apple product, so I >> wanted to be safe, and Apple care is much more inclusive than the >> regular warrantee. There are basically no questions asked if something >> happens to your product. I do disagree about the air though. Your >> decision should be made on what you need to do with your computer, but >> the Pro has more memory, and is not much bigger. It also has more >> ports to plug things in and an SD card slot which is great if you take >> a lot of pictures. >> >> Good luck in your decision, and I hope I was able to provide some good >> information for you. >> >> Cindy >> >> On 4/20/12, Bryan Jones wrote: >>> Hello Laurel, >>> >>> My perspective is as someone who has never used a Windows screen reader, >>> so >>> I can't offer much in terms of comparing VoiceOver to Jaws or Window-Eyes >>> or >>> NVDA, but I can provide a bit of input to a few of your other questions. >>> >>>> 1. Macbook Pro vs iMac. >>> I've used a variety of Mac desktops and laptops in the past 5 or 6 years >>> and >>> my personal favorite is the current 11 inch Macbook Air. Portability is a >>> high priority for me, and the Air also offers good performance and a >>> decent, >>> though notperfect, keyboard. If you are set on choosing between an MBP >>> and >>> an iMac, you might consider waiting another month or two as rumor has it >>> Apple will soon be introducing updated versions of the MBP. >>> >>>> 3, Kurzweil / OCR options. >>> I use Abbyy FineReader Express for OCR. It's been able to handle most of >>> the >>> jobs I've thrown at it, including PDF conversions and multi-language >>> documents. Again, I've never used Kurzweil, so can't offer a comparison. >>> >>>> 4, anything else. >>>> 4a. MS Office for Mac is not accessible using VO. In fact, if you expect >>>> to be editing or creating documents that include tables and several >>>> other >>>> key elements, there is currently no word processor that smoothly allows >>>> VO >>>> access to these functions. Pages and Nissus Writer are close and getting >>>> better, but are not there yet. That said, if you do not expect to be >>>> working with complex documents, you might be OK just using the Mac's >>>> very >>>> good built-in word processor called Textedit. It opens Word documents >>>> and >>>> can save in a variety of formats. >>> >>> 4b. Web browser options are still limited on the Mac. Safari and it's >>> cousins Webkit and Chrome work OK with VO, but FIrefox and Opera aren't >>> there yet and there is no version of IE on the Mac. >>> 4c. Generally, when folks ask me if I think they should switch to a Mac, >>> my >>> answer is "No, unless you really have a desire to learn something >>> different >>> or you just want a new toy." For most Users and functions, the Mac OS is >>> no >>> better than Windows. You'll still crash sometimes, you'll still be >>> vulnerable to malware and other security threats, and you'll find plenty >>> of >>> hardware and software that does not play well with VO. >>> Plus if you've already invested in an expensive windows screen reader, >>> and >>> expensive Windows office suite, and if they're working OK for you, you'll >>> lose that investment when moving too the Mac unless you decide to go >>> through >>> the hassle of installing Windows on your Mac. >>> >>> More than anything else, I strongly suggest spending time in an Apple >>> Store, >>> Best Buy or other place where you can get your hands on the Macs and spend >>> a >>> bit of time trying them out. If you want to actively learn how to use VO >>> while sitting in front of any current Mac, you can turn on VO by pressing >>> Command+F5. The Command key is the key immediately to the left of the >>> spacebar, and the F5 key is the sixth key from the left in the top row >>> (the >>> first key being the escape key). When you press Command+F5, you should >>> hear >>> the announcement, "VoiceOver On." Once VoiceOver is running, you can >>> access >>> a quick VoiceOver tutorial by pressing and holding the three keys located >>> immediately to the left of the Spacebar and then pressing the F8 key, >>> which >>> is the ninth key from the left in the top row. You should hear VoiceOver >>> announce, "VoiceOver Quick Start." The quick start tutorial will >>> introduce >>> you to the "VO" keys and will point you in the right direction for >>> learning >>> more about the Mac and VO. Consider bringing a pair of headphones or >>> earbuds >>> when you try this out. It can get pretty noisy in an Apple store. >>> >>> If you haven't already joined, there are a number of active email lists >>> and >>> forums for blind and low-vision Mac Users. A quick google will turn up a >>> list of them. >>> >>> One last note: I personally think the best way to purchase a Mac is >>> through >>> Apple's own refurb store, which can be found from their main shopping >>> site >>> at store dot apple dot com. Macs purchased there usually cost a couple >>> hundred dollars less, come with the exact same 1 year warranty as new >>> Macs >>> and can be covered under the same extended Applecare warranty plans. The >>> only Macs I've had to take in for service were ones I purchased new. My >>> refurbs have never needed service. >>> >>> HTH, >>> Bryan >>> >>> On Apr 20, 2012, at 10:29 AM, Laurel wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> I have to confess, I haven't been watching the recent thread where >>>> people were talking about mac vs. pc. I wanted to buy a mac but I >>>> didn't have the money so I was putting it off. This week I got some >>>> very unexpected money from somewhere (I don't wanna go into all the >>>> details) but I have enough to buy a mac. I plan to do so but I wanted >>>> to ask some questions about the mac that maybe some of y'all could >>>> answer for me. >>>> >>>> 1. Do you all prefer the Mac Book Pro (lap top) or the iMac (desk top). >>>> 2, those of you who use JAWS and switched to voice over on the mac, >>>> how hard/easy was the switch? I already use voice over on the >>>> iPad/iPhone but I'm not used to it on the mac yet. >>>> 3, Do any of you use Kurzweil for scanning? I have Kurzweil 1000 for >>>> windows, and I don't know what to do for my scanning program on a mac. >>>> Should I use my Kurzweil, I know you can use mac to run programs that >>>> run on windows, or should I switch to another program. What other >>>> scanning programs out there work well with voice over? >>>> >>>> 4, is there anything else, accessibility related as far as softwear >>>> goes, that I should know before I make the switch? >>>> >>>> I plan on keeping my pc at least for the summer so I can slowly switch >>>> over and have time to get used to a mac. I know this is a long email, >>>> but for you mac users out there, thanks for the help. It's >>>> appreciated. >>>> Laurel and Stockard >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/opensesame%40me.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Cindy Bennett >> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >> >> clb5590 at gmail.com >> 828.989.5383 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stockard%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From ignasicambra at gmail.com Mon Apr 23 04:49:36 2012 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ignasi_Cambra_D=EDaz?=) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 00:49:36 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Duxbury Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3501E436-2E2F-4962-9503-440099DF4544@gmail.com> Joshua, Please stop announcing that you are going to email someone off list to the rest of the world. I know why you are doing it and I understand you, but it's annoying. At least email the person off list and if you don't get an answer for two or three days then use your methods… IC On Apr 17, 2012, at 2:20 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > Hey, Trey! > I'm E-mailing you! > Blessings, Joshua > > On 4/17/12, Trey Bradley wrote: >> Hi I am wondering if there is anyone interested in Duxbury or Zoom X >> if you want to know about them please email or call me. >> >> treyman19 at gmail.com >> >> 219-789-7073 >> >> -- >> Roosevelt Bradley >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From nfbcsoutreach at gmail.com Mon Apr 23 05:41:42 2012 From: nfbcsoutreach at gmail.com (community service Outreach) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 00:41:42 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Forgot a very important piece of information.... Message-ID: Hi, all, I forgot to include the passcode for the membership call on the 29th. It is 808277. Hope to see you there! Julie From jorge.paez1994 at gmail.com Mon Apr 23 11:04:57 2012 From: jorge.paez1994 at gmail.com (Jorge Paez) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 07:04:57 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] questions about a mac bok pro In-Reply-To: <2EB2B236-F2A8-40AF-80D3-58660A6C4A85@gmail.com> References: <1AE4C7F2-F123-43D9-B117-43C36A7AE018@me.com> <2EB2B236-F2A8-40AF-80D3-58660A6C4A85@gmail.com> Message-ID: >> Laurel: The only thing I would add to this is be careful with certain windows and Bootcamp versions, for example, I had a huge problem installing Windows XP on my Macbook Pro. It worked, but there was a really annoying volume issue which I never figured out. On Apr 23, 2012, at 12:31 AM, Ignasi Cambra Díaz wrote: > Bootcamp comes with your Mac, but Windows doesn't. Setting up a bootcamp partition takes just a couple of minutes, but unless you have an automated Windows installation dvd you won't be able to install Windows independently. That's one of the things I love about Mac OS X, I can do everything by myself. > On Apr 22, 2012, at 10:40 PM, Laurel wrote: > >> Cindy, >> What is boot camp, and how can I get it? Does it automatically come or >> do I have to buy it, and if I have to buy it, how much does it cost? >> I know I'm asking alot of general broad questions, but I appreciate >> you all helping me out. >> Laurel and Stockard >> >> P.S. >> I am a foreign language major and will be doing alot of interpreting >> and translating. One of the reasons I love vo is it's good support for >> alot of languages, where I don't hafta download extra voices or buy >> extra languages. >> Thanks >> >> On 4/20/12, Cindy Bennett wrote: >>> Laurel: >>> >>> I think that Bryan gave you a lot of good information. I can enlighten >>> you on the switch though. I have a MacBook pro and I split it with >>> bootcamp, and I use the PC side of my computer way more. Like >>> anything, if I had started with Macs, I think that I would have >>> trouble switching to a PC, and I think that is the main reason I >>> haven't switched. Because of the MS Word problems Bryan talked about, >>> I will never fully switch, because I plan to go back to school, and >>> unless you are majoring in something in the arts or graphic design, >>> you absolutely have to have access to the Microsoft Suite while in >>> school. I love VoiceOver though. You'll pick up the track pad quickly >>> because of using an iPhone, and it is amazing. There are a lot of 3 >>> and 4 key combinations. Basically, if I could mix the advantages of >>> PC's and Macs when it comes to accessibility, I would. i like and >>> dislike them both for different reasons. >>> >>> One thing to know about VoiceOver is that it gives you an idea of the >>> layout of pages much better than screen readers on PC's. While it's >>> great to know that, I have found that it sometimes slows me down when >>> I just need to navigate to one specific thing. >>> >>> I love Textedit. Numbers is pretty similar to Excel, but you'll have >>> to get used to the fact that Macs are more artsy and eye appealing. >>> Programs are going to automatically look nice. While this takes some >>> pressure off of a blind person when it comes to printing spreadsheets >>> without graphs on top of them, they are sometimes cumbersome to >>> navigate. I found the same thing in Keynote. In some ways, it is much >>> more accessible than JAWS and PowerPoint, but again, you can insert a >>> picture and you won't be able to get feedback about whether you put it >>> in the right place, and text boxes aren't very navigacable especially >>> when you arrange multiple columns. >>> >>> In any case, if you are curious, and if you learn more and really want >>> to switch, just know that you can always split your Mac with Bootcamp. >>> Even though I do use Windows too much, I think that Apple products are >>> made better, and the warrantee is great. >>> >>> I also second getting the refirbished products. I got a 13-inch pro >>> with 3 years of Apple care for $50 less than the New 13-inch pro with >>> only the standard 1 year warrantee. I got the 3 years of Apple care, >>> because it was my first time buying a refirbished Apple product, so I >>> wanted to be safe, and Apple care is much more inclusive than the >>> regular warrantee. There are basically no questions asked if something >>> happens to your product. I do disagree about the air though. Your >>> decision should be made on what you need to do with your computer, but >>> the Pro has more memory, and is not much bigger. It also has more >>> ports to plug things in and an SD card slot which is great if you take >>> a lot of pictures. >>> >>> Good luck in your decision, and I hope I was able to provide some good >>> information for you. >>> >>> Cindy >>> >>> On 4/20/12, Bryan Jones wrote: >>>> Hello Laurel, >>>> >>>> My perspective is as someone who has never used a Windows screen reader, >>>> so >>>> I can't offer much in terms of comparing VoiceOver to Jaws or Window-Eyes >>>> or >>>> NVDA, but I can provide a bit of input to a few of your other questions. >>>> >>>>> 1. Macbook Pro vs iMac. >>>> I've used a variety of Mac desktops and laptops in the past 5 or 6 years >>>> and >>>> my personal favorite is the current 11 inch Macbook Air. Portability is a >>>> high priority for me, and the Air also offers good performance and a >>>> decent, >>>> though notperfect, keyboard. If you are set on choosing between an MBP >>>> and >>>> an iMac, you might consider waiting another month or two as rumor has it >>>> Apple will soon be introducing updated versions of the MBP. >>>> >>>>> 3, Kurzweil / OCR options. >>>> I use Abbyy FineReader Express for OCR. It's been able to handle most of >>>> the >>>> jobs I've thrown at it, including PDF conversions and multi-language >>>> documents. Again, I've never used Kurzweil, so can't offer a comparison. >>>> >>>>> 4, anything else. >>>>> 4a. MS Office for Mac is not accessible using VO. In fact, if you expect >>>>> to be editing or creating documents that include tables and several >>>>> other >>>>> key elements, there is currently no word processor that smoothly allows >>>>> VO >>>>> access to these functions. Pages and Nissus Writer are close and getting >>>>> better, but are not there yet. That said, if you do not expect to be >>>>> working with complex documents, you might be OK just using the Mac's >>>>> very >>>>> good built-in word processor called Textedit. It opens Word documents >>>>> and >>>>> can save in a variety of formats. >>>> >>>> 4b. Web browser options are still limited on the Mac. Safari and it's >>>> cousins Webkit and Chrome work OK with VO, but FIrefox and Opera aren't >>>> there yet and there is no version of IE on the Mac. >>>> 4c. Generally, when folks ask me if I think they should switch to a Mac, >>>> my >>>> answer is "No, unless you really have a desire to learn something >>>> different >>>> or you just want a new toy." For most Users and functions, the Mac OS is >>>> no >>>> better than Windows. You'll still crash sometimes, you'll still be >>>> vulnerable to malware and other security threats, and you'll find plenty >>>> of >>>> hardware and software that does not play well with VO. >>>> Plus if you've already invested in an expensive windows screen reader, >>>> and >>>> expensive Windows office suite, and if they're working OK for you, you'll >>>> lose that investment when moving too the Mac unless you decide to go >>>> through >>>> the hassle of installing Windows on your Mac. >>>> >>>> More than anything else, I strongly suggest spending time in an Apple >>>> Store, >>>> Best Buy or other place where you can get your hands on the Macs and spend >>>> a >>>> bit of time trying them out. If you want to actively learn how to use VO >>>> while sitting in front of any current Mac, you can turn on VO by pressing >>>> Command+F5. The Command key is the key immediately to the left of the >>>> spacebar, and the F5 key is the sixth key from the left in the top row >>>> (the >>>> first key being the escape key). When you press Command+F5, you should >>>> hear >>>> the announcement, "VoiceOver On." Once VoiceOver is running, you can >>>> access >>>> a quick VoiceOver tutorial by pressing and holding the three keys located >>>> immediately to the left of the Spacebar and then pressing the F8 key, >>>> which >>>> is the ninth key from the left in the top row. You should hear VoiceOver >>>> announce, "VoiceOver Quick Start." The quick start tutorial will >>>> introduce >>>> you to the "VO" keys and will point you in the right direction for >>>> learning >>>> more about the Mac and VO. Consider bringing a pair of headphones or >>>> earbuds >>>> when you try this out. It can get pretty noisy in an Apple store. >>>> >>>> If you haven't already joined, there are a number of active email lists >>>> and >>>> forums for blind and low-vision Mac Users. A quick google will turn up a >>>> list of them. >>>> >>>> One last note: I personally think the best way to purchase a Mac is >>>> through >>>> Apple's own refurb store, which can be found from their main shopping >>>> site >>>> at store dot apple dot com. Macs purchased there usually cost a couple >>>> hundred dollars less, come with the exact same 1 year warranty as new >>>> Macs >>>> and can be covered under the same extended Applecare warranty plans. The >>>> only Macs I've had to take in for service were ones I purchased new. My >>>> refurbs have never needed service. >>>> >>>> HTH, >>>> Bryan >>>> >>>> On Apr 20, 2012, at 10:29 AM, Laurel wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> I have to confess, I haven't been watching the recent thread where >>>>> people were talking about mac vs. pc. I wanted to buy a mac but I >>>>> didn't have the money so I was putting it off. This week I got some >>>>> very unexpected money from somewhere (I don't wanna go into all the >>>>> details) but I have enough to buy a mac. I plan to do so but I wanted >>>>> to ask some questions about the mac that maybe some of y'all could >>>>> answer for me. >>>>> >>>>> 1. Do you all prefer the Mac Book Pro (lap top) or the iMac (desk top). >>>>> 2, those of you who use JAWS and switched to voice over on the mac, >>>>> how hard/easy was the switch? I already use voice over on the >>>>> iPad/iPhone but I'm not used to it on the mac yet. >>>>> 3, Do any of you use Kurzweil for scanning? I have Kurzweil 1000 for >>>>> windows, and I don't know what to do for my scanning program on a mac. >>>>> Should I use my Kurzweil, I know you can use mac to run programs that >>>>> run on windows, or should I switch to another program. What other >>>>> scanning programs out there work well with voice over? >>>>> >>>>> 4, is there anything else, accessibility related as far as softwear >>>>> goes, that I should know before I make the switch? >>>>> >>>>> I plan on keeping my pc at least for the summer so I can slowly switch >>>>> over and have time to get used to a mac. I know this is a long email, >>>>> but for you mac users out there, thanks for the help. It's >>>>> appreciated. >>>>> Laurel and Stockard >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/opensesame%40me.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Cindy Bennett >>> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >>> >>> clb5590 at gmail.com >>> 828.989.5383 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stockard%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorge.paez1994%40gmail.com From cassonw at gmail.com Mon Apr 23 14:08:56 2012 From: cassonw at gmail.com (Bill) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 08:08:56 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] questions about a mac bok pro In-Reply-To: References: <1AE4C7F2-F123-43D9-B117-43C36A7AE018@me.com> <2EB2B236-F2A8-40AF-80D3-58660A6C4A85@gmail.com> Message-ID: Also remember you must purchase a license if you are going to legally bootcamp with windows. They are somewhere between 120 and 250 I think depending on which version you buy and if you buy an OEM or student license. Bill > On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 5:04 AM, Jorge Paez wrote: >>>> Laurel: >> The only thing I would add to this is be careful with certain windows and Bootcamp versions, for example, I had a huge problem installing Windows XP on my Macbook Pro. >> It worked, but there was a really annoying volume issue which I never figured out. >> >> >> >> On Apr 23, 2012, at 12:31 AM, Ignasi Cambra Díaz wrote: >> >>> Bootcamp comes with your Mac, but Windows doesn't. Setting up a bootcamp partition takes just a couple of minutes, but unless you have an automated Windows installation dvd you won't be able to install Windows independently. That's one of the things I love about Mac OS X, I can do everything by myself. >>> On Apr 22, 2012, at 10:40 PM, Laurel wrote: >>> >>>> Cindy, >>>> What is boot camp, and how can I get it? Does it automatically come or >>>> do I have to buy it, and if I have to buy it, how much does it cost? >>>> I know I'm asking alot of general broad questions, but I appreciate >>>> you all helping me out. >>>> Laurel and Stockard >>>> >>>> P.S. >>>> I am a foreign language major and will be doing alot of interpreting >>>> and translating. One of the reasons I love vo is it's good support for >>>> alot of languages, where I don't hafta download extra voices or buy >>>> extra languages. >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> On 4/20/12, Cindy Bennett wrote: >>>>> Laurel: >>>>> >>>>> I think that Bryan gave you a lot of good information. I can enlighten >>>>> you on the switch though. I have a MacBook pro and I split it with >>>>> bootcamp, and I use the PC side of my computer way more. Like >>>>> anything, if I had started with Macs, I think that I would have >>>>> trouble switching to a PC, and I think that is the main reason I >>>>> haven't switched. Because of the MS Word problems Bryan talked about, >>>>> I will never fully switch, because I plan to go back to school, and >>>>> unless you are majoring in something in the arts or graphic design, >>>>> you absolutely have to have access to the Microsoft Suite while in >>>>> school. I love VoiceOver though. You'll pick up the track pad quickly >>>>> because of using an iPhone, and it is amazing. There are a lot of 3 >>>>> and 4 key combinations. Basically, if I could mix the advantages of >>>>> PC's and Macs when it comes to accessibility, I would. i like and >>>>> dislike them both for different reasons. >>>>> >>>>> One thing to know about VoiceOver is that it gives you an idea of the >>>>> layout of pages much better than screen readers on PC's. While it's >>>>> great to know that, I have found that it sometimes slows me down when >>>>> I just need to navigate to one specific thing. >>>>> >>>>> I love Textedit. Numbers is pretty similar to Excel, but you'll have >>>>> to get used to the fact that Macs are more artsy and eye appealing. >>>>> Programs are going to automatically look nice. While this takes some >>>>> pressure off of a blind person when it comes to printing spreadsheets >>>>> without graphs on top of them, they are sometimes cumbersome to >>>>> navigate. I found the same thing in Keynote. In some ways, it is much >>>>> more accessible than JAWS and PowerPoint, but again, you can insert a >>>>> picture and you won't be able to get feedback about whether you put it >>>>> in the right place, and text boxes aren't very navigacable especially >>>>> when you arrange multiple columns. >>>>> >>>>> In any case, if you are curious, and if you learn more and really want >>>>> to switch, just know that you can always split your Mac with Bootcamp. >>>>> Even though I do use Windows too much, I think that Apple products are >>>>> made better, and the warrantee is great. >>>>> >>>>> I also second getting the refirbished products. I got a 13-inch pro >>>>> with 3 years of Apple care for $50 less than the New 13-inch pro with >>>>> only the standard 1 year warrantee. I got the 3 years of Apple care, >>>>> because it was my first time buying a refirbished Apple product, so I >>>>> wanted to be safe, and Apple care is much more inclusive than the >>>>> regular warrantee. There are basically no questions asked if something >>>>> happens to your product. I do disagree about the air though. Your >>>>> decision should be made on what you need to do with your computer, but >>>>> the Pro has more memory, and is not much bigger. It also has more >>>>> ports to plug things in and an SD card slot which is great if you take >>>>> a lot of pictures. >>>>> >>>>> Good luck in your decision, and I hope I was able to provide some good >>>>> information for you. >>>>> >>>>> Cindy >>>>> >>>>> On 4/20/12, Bryan Jones wrote: >>>>>> Hello Laurel, >>>>>> >>>>>> My perspective is as someone who has never used a Windows screen reader, >>>>>> so >>>>>> I can't offer much in terms of comparing VoiceOver to Jaws or Window-Eyes >>>>>> or >>>>>> NVDA, but I can provide a bit of input to a few of your other questions. >>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. Macbook Pro vs iMac. >>>>>> I've used a variety of Mac desktops and laptops in the past 5 or 6 years >>>>>> and >>>>>> my personal favorite is the current 11 inch Macbook Air. Portability is a >>>>>> high priority for me, and the Air also offers good performance and a >>>>>> decent, >>>>>> though notperfect, keyboard. If you are set on choosing between an MBP >>>>>> and >>>>>> an iMac, you might consider waiting another month or two as rumor has it >>>>>> Apple will soon be introducing updated versions of the MBP. >>>>>> >>>>>>> 3, Kurzweil / OCR options. >>>>>> I use Abbyy FineReader Express for OCR. It's been able to handle most of >>>>>> the >>>>>> jobs I've thrown at it, including PDF conversions and multi-language >>>>>> documents. Again, I've never used Kurzweil, so can't offer a comparison. >>>>>> >>>>>>> 4, anything else. >>>>>>> 4a. MS Office for Mac is not accessible using VO. In fact, if you expect >>>>>>> to be editing or creating documents that include tables and several >>>>>>> other >>>>>>> key elements, there is currently no word processor that smoothly allows >>>>>>> VO >>>>>>> access to these functions. Pages and Nissus Writer are close and getting >>>>>>> better, but are not there yet. That said, if you do not expect to be >>>>>>> working with complex documents, you might be OK just using  the Mac's >>>>>>> very >>>>>>> good built-in word processor called Textedit. It opens Word documents >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> can save in a variety of formats. >>>>>> >>>>>> 4b. Web browser options are still limited on the Mac. Safari and it's >>>>>> cousins Webkit and Chrome work OK with VO, but FIrefox  and Opera aren't >>>>>> there yet and there is no version of IE on the Mac. >>>>>> 4c. Generally, when folks ask me if I think they should switch to a Mac, >>>>>> my >>>>>> answer is "No, unless you really have a desire to learn something >>>>>> different >>>>>> or you just want a new toy." For most Users and functions, the Mac OS is >>>>>> no >>>>>> better than Windows. You'll still crash sometimes, you'll still be >>>>>> vulnerable to malware and other security threats, and you'll find plenty >>>>>> of >>>>>> hardware and software that does not play well with VO. >>>>>> Plus if you've already invested in an expensive windows screen reader, >>>>>> and >>>>>> expensive Windows office suite, and if they're working OK for you, you'll >>>>>> lose that investment when moving too the Mac unless you decide to go >>>>>> through >>>>>> the hassle of installing Windows on your Mac. >>>>>> >>>>>> More than anything else, I strongly suggest spending time in an Apple >>>>>> Store, >>>>>> Best Buy or other place where you can get your hands on the Macs and spend >>>>>> a >>>>>> bit of time trying them out. If you want to actively learn how to use VO >>>>>> while sitting in front of any current Mac, you can turn on VO by pressing >>>>>> Command+F5. The Command key is the key immediately to the left of the >>>>>> spacebar, and the F5 key is the sixth key from the left in the top row >>>>>> (the >>>>>> first key being the escape key). When you press Command+F5, you should >>>>>> hear >>>>>> the announcement, "VoiceOver On." Once VoiceOver is running, you can >>>>>> access >>>>>> a quick VoiceOver tutorial by pressing and holding the three keys located >>>>>> immediately to the left of the Spacebar and then pressing the F8 key, >>>>>> which >>>>>> is the ninth key from the left in the top row. You should hear VoiceOver >>>>>> announce, "VoiceOver Quick Start." The quick start tutorial will >>>>>> introduce >>>>>> you to the "VO" keys and will point you in the right direction for >>>>>> learning >>>>>> more about the Mac and VO. Consider bringing a pair of headphones or >>>>>> earbuds >>>>>> when you try this out. It can get pretty noisy in an Apple store. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you haven't already joined, there are a number of active email lists >>>>>> and >>>>>> forums for blind and low-vision Mac Users. A quick google will turn up a >>>>>> list of them. >>>>>> >>>>>> One last note: I personally think the best way to purchase a Mac is >>>>>> through >>>>>> Apple's own refurb store, which can be found from their main shopping >>>>>> site >>>>>> at store dot apple dot com. Macs purchased there usually cost a couple >>>>>> hundred dollars less, come with the exact same 1 year warranty as new >>>>>> Macs >>>>>> and can be covered under the same extended Applecare warranty plans. The >>>>>> only Macs I've had to take in for service were ones I purchased new. My >>>>>> refurbs have never needed service. >>>>>> >>>>>> HTH, >>>>>> Bryan >>>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 20, 2012, at 10:29 AM, Laurel wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>> I have to confess, I haven't been watching the recent thread where >>>>>>> people were talking about mac vs. pc. I wanted to buy a mac but I >>>>>>> didn't have the money so I was putting it off. This week I got some >>>>>>> very unexpected money from somewhere (I don't wanna go into all the >>>>>>> details) but I have enough to buy a mac. I plan to do so but I wanted >>>>>>> to ask some questions about the mac that maybe some of y'all could >>>>>>> answer for me. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. Do you all prefer the Mac Book Pro (lap top) or the iMac (desk top). >>>>>>> 2, those of you who use JAWS and switched to voice over on the mac, >>>>>>> how hard/easy was the switch? I already use voice over on the >>>>>>> iPad/iPhone but I'm not used to it on the mac yet. >>>>>>> 3, Do any of you use Kurzweil for scanning? I have Kurzweil 1000 for >>>>>>> windows, and I don't know what to do for my scanning program on a mac. >>>>>>> Should I use my Kurzweil, I know you can use mac to run programs that >>>>>>> run on windows, or should I switch to another program. What other >>>>>>> scanning programs out there work well with voice over? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 4, is there anything else, accessibility related as far as softwear >>>>>>> goes, that I should know before I make the switch? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I plan on keeping my pc at least for the summer so I can slowly switch >>>>>>> over and have time to get used to a mac. I know this is a long email, >>>>>>> but for you mac users out there, thanks for the help. It's >>>>>>> appreciated. >>>>>>> Laurel and Stockard >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/opensesame%40me.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Cindy Bennett >>>>> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >>>>> >>>>> clb5590 at gmail.com >>>>> 828.989.5383 >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stockard%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorge.paez1994%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cassonw%40gmail.com > > > > -- > Bill Casson > University of New Mexico > M.S. Computer Science > (505) 695-1374 > cassonw at unm.edu -- Bill Casson University of New Mexico M.S. Computer Science Lewis & Clark Alumnus '11 B.A. Physics and Math/Comp Sci. (505) 695-1374 cassonw at gmail.com From slabarre at labarrelaw.com Mon Apr 23 15:30:02 2012 From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 09:30:02 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: job opening In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001901cd2165$f4fa24a0$deee6de0$@labarrelaw.com> Greetings, please see the attached job opening at our Colorado Center. For any additional information, you should contact Carol at the information posted below. Best, Scott From: Carol Sprague [mailto:celzi at cocenter.org] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 1:49 PM To: slabarre at labarrelaw.com Subject: job opening Hi Scott, I'm sure you know that Wes Majerus is leaving to go to a new job in Nebraska so we are looking for a new technology instructor. Julie suggested that I contact you regarding getting our job description up on the President's list. Are you able to do this if I attach the job description? I'm not sure how it works. Thanks, Carol Carol Sprague Administrative Coordinator Colorado Center for the Blind 2233 W. Shepperd Ave. Littleton, CO 80120 303-778-1130 303-778-1598 fax www.cocenter.org Take charge with confidence and self-reliance -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Technology Instructor.doc Type: application/msword Size: 29184 bytes Desc: not available URL: From laurel.stockard at gmail.com Mon Apr 23 15:27:18 2012 From: laurel.stockard at gmail.com (Laurel) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 10:27:18 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] questions about a mac bok pro In-Reply-To: References: <1AE4C7F2-F123-43D9-B117-43C36A7AE018@me.com> <2EB2B236-F2A8-40AF-80D3-58660A6C4A85@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi all, I hope you all don't mind, but I have yet another question. Can I run any windows based programs on my mac without boot camp? For example, my Kurzweil program I have Kurzweil 1000 for windows, can I find a way to still run that on my mac? Or do you hafta have boot camp, and or windows for mac, in order to run your windows based programs. Sorry, I know this might seem like a dumb question, but I'm just trying to make sure I understand all the ins and outs of a mac. /smiles/ Laurel and Stockard On 4/23/12, Bill wrote: > Also remember you must purchase a license if you are going to legally > bootcamp with windows. They are somewhere between 120 and 250 I think > depending on which version you buy and if you buy an OEM or student > license. > Bill > > > >> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 5:04 AM, Jorge Paez >> wrote: >>>>> Laurel: >>> The only thing I would add to this is be careful with certain windows and >>> Bootcamp versions, for example, I had a huge problem installing Windows >>> XP on my Macbook Pro. >>> It worked, but there was a really annoying volume issue which I never >>> figured out. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Apr 23, 2012, at 12:31 AM, Ignasi Cambra Díaz wrote: >>> >>>> Bootcamp comes with your Mac, but Windows doesn't. Setting up a bootcamp >>>> partition takes just a couple of minutes, but unless you have an >>>> automated Windows installation dvd you won't be able to install Windows >>>> independently. That's one of the things I love about Mac OS X, I can do >>>> everything by myself. >>>> On Apr 22, 2012, at 10:40 PM, Laurel wrote: >>>> >>>>> Cindy, >>>>> What is boot camp, and how can I get it? Does it automatically come or >>>>> do I have to buy it, and if I have to buy it, how much does it cost? >>>>> I know I'm asking alot of general broad questions, but I appreciate >>>>> you all helping me out. >>>>> Laurel and Stockard >>>>> >>>>> P.S. >>>>> I am a foreign language major and will be doing alot of interpreting >>>>> and translating. One of the reasons I love vo is it's good support for >>>>> alot of languages, where I don't hafta download extra voices or buy >>>>> extra languages. >>>>> Thanks >>>>> >>>>> On 4/20/12, Cindy Bennett wrote: >>>>>> Laurel: >>>>>> >>>>>> I think that Bryan gave you a lot of good information. I can enlighten >>>>>> you on the switch though. I have a MacBook pro and I split it with >>>>>> bootcamp, and I use the PC side of my computer way more. Like >>>>>> anything, if I had started with Macs, I think that I would have >>>>>> trouble switching to a PC, and I think that is the main reason I >>>>>> haven't switched. Because of the MS Word problems Bryan talked about, >>>>>> I will never fully switch, because I plan to go back to school, and >>>>>> unless you are majoring in something in the arts or graphic design, >>>>>> you absolutely have to have access to the Microsoft Suite while in >>>>>> school. I love VoiceOver though. You'll pick up the track pad quickly >>>>>> because of using an iPhone, and it is amazing. There are a lot of 3 >>>>>> and 4 key combinations. Basically, if I could mix the advantages of >>>>>> PC's and Macs when it comes to accessibility, I would. i like and >>>>>> dislike them both for different reasons. >>>>>> >>>>>> One thing to know about VoiceOver is that it gives you an idea of the >>>>>> layout of pages much better than screen readers on PC's. While it's >>>>>> great to know that, I have found that it sometimes slows me down when >>>>>> I just need to navigate to one specific thing. >>>>>> >>>>>> I love Textedit. Numbers is pretty similar to Excel, but you'll have >>>>>> to get used to the fact that Macs are more artsy and eye appealing. >>>>>> Programs are going to automatically look nice. While this takes some >>>>>> pressure off of a blind person when it comes to printing spreadsheets >>>>>> without graphs on top of them, they are sometimes cumbersome to >>>>>> navigate. I found the same thing in Keynote. In some ways, it is much >>>>>> more accessible than JAWS and PowerPoint, but again, you can insert a >>>>>> picture and you won't be able to get feedback about whether you put it >>>>>> in the right place, and text boxes aren't very navigacable especially >>>>>> when you arrange multiple columns. >>>>>> >>>>>> In any case, if you are curious, and if you learn more and really want >>>>>> to switch, just know that you can always split your Mac with Bootcamp. >>>>>> Even though I do use Windows too much, I think that Apple products are >>>>>> made better, and the warrantee is great. >>>>>> >>>>>> I also second getting the refirbished products. I got a 13-inch pro >>>>>> with 3 years of Apple care for $50 less than the New 13-inch pro with >>>>>> only the standard 1 year warrantee. I got the 3 years of Apple care, >>>>>> because it was my first time buying a refirbished Apple product, so I >>>>>> wanted to be safe, and Apple care is much more inclusive than the >>>>>> regular warrantee. There are basically no questions asked if something >>>>>> happens to your product. I do disagree about the air though. Your >>>>>> decision should be made on what you need to do with your computer, but >>>>>> the Pro has more memory, and is not much bigger. It also has more >>>>>> ports to plug things in and an SD card slot which is great if you take >>>>>> a lot of pictures. >>>>>> >>>>>> Good luck in your decision, and I hope I was able to provide some good >>>>>> information for you. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cindy >>>>>> >>>>>> On 4/20/12, Bryan Jones wrote: >>>>>>> Hello Laurel, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My perspective is as someone who has never used a Windows screen >>>>>>> reader, >>>>>>> so >>>>>>> I can't offer much in terms of comparing VoiceOver to Jaws or >>>>>>> Window-Eyes >>>>>>> or >>>>>>> NVDA, but I can provide a bit of input to a few of your other >>>>>>> questions. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1. Macbook Pro vs iMac. >>>>>>> I've used a variety of Mac desktops and laptops in the past 5 or 6 >>>>>>> years >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> my personal favorite is the current 11 inch Macbook Air. Portability >>>>>>> is a >>>>>>> high priority for me, and the Air also offers good performance and a >>>>>>> decent, >>>>>>> though notperfect, keyboard. If you are set on choosing between an >>>>>>> MBP >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> an iMac, you might consider waiting another month or two as rumor has >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> Apple will soon be introducing updated versions of the MBP. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 3, Kurzweil / OCR options. >>>>>>> I use Abbyy FineReader Express for OCR. It's been able to handle most >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> jobs I've thrown at it, including PDF conversions and multi-language >>>>>>> documents. Again, I've never used Kurzweil, so can't offer a >>>>>>> comparison. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 4, anything else. >>>>>>>> 4a. MS Office for Mac is not accessible using VO. In fact, if you >>>>>>>> expect >>>>>>>> to be editing or creating documents that include tables and several >>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>> key elements, there is currently no word processor that smoothly >>>>>>>> allows >>>>>>>> VO >>>>>>>> access to these functions. Pages and Nissus Writer are close and >>>>>>>> getting >>>>>>>> better, but are not there yet. That said, if you do not expect to be >>>>>>>> working with complex documents, you might be OK just using  the >>>>>>>> Mac's >>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>> good built-in word processor called Textedit. It opens Word >>>>>>>> documents >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> can save in a variety of formats. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 4b. Web browser options are still limited on the Mac. Safari and it's >>>>>>> cousins Webkit and Chrome work OK with VO, but FIrefox  and Opera >>>>>>> aren't >>>>>>> there yet and there is no version of IE on the Mac. >>>>>>> 4c. Generally, when folks ask me if I think they should switch to a >>>>>>> Mac, >>>>>>> my >>>>>>> answer is "No, unless you really have a desire to learn something >>>>>>> different >>>>>>> or you just want a new toy." For most Users and functions, the Mac OS >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> no >>>>>>> better than Windows. You'll still crash sometimes, you'll still be >>>>>>> vulnerable to malware and other security threats, and you'll find >>>>>>> plenty >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> hardware and software that does not play well with VO. >>>>>>> Plus if you've already invested in an expensive windows screen >>>>>>> reader, >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> expensive Windows office suite, and if they're working OK for you, >>>>>>> you'll >>>>>>> lose that investment when moving too the Mac unless you decide to go >>>>>>> through >>>>>>> the hassle of installing Windows on your Mac. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> More than anything else, I strongly suggest spending time in an Apple >>>>>>> Store, >>>>>>> Best Buy or other place where you can get your hands on the Macs and >>>>>>> spend >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> bit of time trying them out. If you want to actively learn how to use >>>>>>> VO >>>>>>> while sitting in front of any current Mac, you can turn on VO by >>>>>>> pressing >>>>>>> Command+F5. The Command key is the key immediately to the left of the >>>>>>> spacebar, and the F5 key is the sixth key from the left in the top >>>>>>> row >>>>>>> (the >>>>>>> first key being the escape key). When you press Command+F5, you >>>>>>> should >>>>>>> hear >>>>>>> the announcement, "VoiceOver On." Once VoiceOver is running, you can >>>>>>> access >>>>>>> a quick VoiceOver tutorial by pressing and holding the three keys >>>>>>> located >>>>>>> immediately to the left of the Spacebar and then pressing the F8 key, >>>>>>> which >>>>>>> is the ninth key from the left in the top row. You should hear >>>>>>> VoiceOver >>>>>>> announce, "VoiceOver Quick Start." The quick start tutorial will >>>>>>> introduce >>>>>>> you to the "VO" keys and will point you in the right direction for >>>>>>> learning >>>>>>> more about the Mac and VO. Consider bringing a pair of headphones or >>>>>>> earbuds >>>>>>> when you try this out. It can get pretty noisy in an Apple store. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you haven't already joined, there are a number of active email >>>>>>> lists >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> forums for blind and low-vision Mac Users. A quick google will turn >>>>>>> up a >>>>>>> list of them. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> One last note: I personally think the best way to purchase a Mac is >>>>>>> through >>>>>>> Apple's own refurb store, which can be found from their main shopping >>>>>>> site >>>>>>> at store dot apple dot com. Macs purchased there usually cost a >>>>>>> couple >>>>>>> hundred dollars less, come with the exact same 1 year warranty as new >>>>>>> Macs >>>>>>> and can be covered under the same extended Applecare warranty plans. >>>>>>> The >>>>>>> only Macs I've had to take in for service were ones I purchased new. >>>>>>> My >>>>>>> refurbs have never needed service. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> HTH, >>>>>>> Bryan >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 20, 2012, at 10:29 AM, Laurel wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>> I have to confess, I haven't been watching the recent thread where >>>>>>>> people were talking about mac vs. pc. I wanted to buy a mac but I >>>>>>>> didn't have the money so I was putting it off. This week I got some >>>>>>>> very unexpected money from somewhere (I don't wanna go into all the >>>>>>>> details) but I have enough to buy a mac. I plan to do so but I >>>>>>>> wanted >>>>>>>> to ask some questions about the mac that maybe some of y'all could >>>>>>>> answer for me. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1. Do you all prefer the Mac Book Pro (lap top) or the iMac (desk >>>>>>>> top). >>>>>>>> 2, those of you who use JAWS and switched to voice over on the mac, >>>>>>>> how hard/easy was the switch? I already use voice over on the >>>>>>>> iPad/iPhone but I'm not used to it on the mac yet. >>>>>>>> 3, Do any of you use Kurzweil for scanning? I have Kurzweil 1000 for >>>>>>>> windows, and I don't know what to do for my scanning program on a >>>>>>>> mac. >>>>>>>> Should I use my Kurzweil, I know you can use mac to run programs >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> run on windows, or should I switch to another program. What other >>>>>>>> scanning programs out there work well with voice over? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 4, is there anything else, accessibility related as far as softwear >>>>>>>> goes, that I should know before I make the switch? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I plan on keeping my pc at least for the summer so I can slowly >>>>>>>> switch >>>>>>>> over and have time to get used to a mac. I know this is a long >>>>>>>> email, >>>>>>>> but for you mac users out there, thanks for the help. It's >>>>>>>> appreciated. >>>>>>>> Laurel and Stockard >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/opensesame%40me.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Cindy Bennett >>>>>> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >>>>>> >>>>>> clb5590 at gmail.com >>>>>> 828.989.5383 >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stockard%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorge.paez1994%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cassonw%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> -- >> Bill Casson >> University of New Mexico >> M.S. Computer Science >> (505) 695-1374 >> cassonw at unm.edu > > > > -- > Bill Casson > University of New Mexico > M.S. Computer Science > Lewis & Clark Alumnus '11 > B.A. Physics and Math/Comp Sci. > (505) 695-1374 > cassonw at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stockard%40gmail.com > From ignasicambra at gmail.com Mon Apr 23 15:48:03 2012 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 11:48:03 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] questions about a mac bok pro In-Reply-To: References: <1AE4C7F2-F123-43D9-B117-43C36A7AE018@me.com> <2EB2B236-F2A8-40AF-80D3-58660A6C4A85@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2152872424394392069@unknownmsgid> Obviously Windows apps won't run natively on Mac OS X. There are some tools available that can make certain things run, but accessibility related programs will most likely not work. If you don't want to use bootcamp you can use a virtualization solution such as VmWare fusion, Virtualbox or Parallels. This runs a full installation of Windows on top of OS X in a virtual machine. All your Windows applications will work just fine, and you won't have to reboot every time you need to use them. By the way, Serotek offers a great OCR solution for the Mac, in case you are interested. Ignasi Sent from my iPhone On Apr 23, 2012, at 11:37 AM, Laurel wrote: > Hi all, > I hope you all don't mind, but I have yet another question. Can I run > any windows based programs on my mac without boot camp? For example, > my Kurzweil program I have Kurzweil 1000 for windows, can I find a way > to still run that on my mac? Or do you hafta have boot camp, and or > windows for mac, in order to run your windows based programs. > Sorry, I know this might seem like a dumb question, but I'm just > trying to make sure I understand all the ins and outs of a mac. > /smiles/ > Laurel and Stockard > > On 4/23/12, Bill wrote: >> Also remember you must purchase a license if you are going to legally >> bootcamp with windows. They are somewhere between 120 and 250 I think >> depending on which version you buy and if you buy an OEM or student >> license. >> Bill >> >> >> >>> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 5:04 AM, Jorge Paez >>> wrote: >>>>>> Laurel: >>>> The only thing I would add to this is be careful with certain windows and >>>> Bootcamp versions, for example, I had a huge problem installing Windows >>>> XP on my Macbook Pro. >>>> It worked, but there was a really annoying volume issue which I never >>>> figured out. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Apr 23, 2012, at 12:31 AM, Ignasi Cambra Díaz wrote: >>>> >>>>> Bootcamp comes with your Mac, but Windows doesn't. Setting up a bootcamp >>>>> partition takes just a couple of minutes, but unless you have an >>>>> automated Windows installation dvd you won't be able to install Windows >>>>> independently. That's one of the things I love about Mac OS X, I can do >>>>> everything by myself. >>>>> On Apr 22, 2012, at 10:40 PM, Laurel wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Cindy, >>>>>> What is boot camp, and how can I get it? Does it automatically come or >>>>>> do I have to buy it, and if I have to buy it, how much does it cost? >>>>>> I know I'm asking alot of general broad questions, but I appreciate >>>>>> you all helping me out. >>>>>> Laurel and Stockard >>>>>> >>>>>> P.S. >>>>>> I am a foreign language major and will be doing alot of interpreting >>>>>> and translating. One of the reasons I love vo is it's good support for >>>>>> alot of languages, where I don't hafta download extra voices or buy >>>>>> extra languages. >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> >>>>>> On 4/20/12, Cindy Bennett wrote: >>>>>>> Laurel: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think that Bryan gave you a lot of good information. I can enlighten >>>>>>> you on the switch though. I have a MacBook pro and I split it with >>>>>>> bootcamp, and I use the PC side of my computer way more. Like >>>>>>> anything, if I had started with Macs, I think that I would have >>>>>>> trouble switching to a PC, and I think that is the main reason I >>>>>>> haven't switched. Because of the MS Word problems Bryan talked about, >>>>>>> I will never fully switch, because I plan to go back to school, and >>>>>>> unless you are majoring in something in the arts or graphic design, >>>>>>> you absolutely have to have access to the Microsoft Suite while in >>>>>>> school. I love VoiceOver though. You'll pick up the track pad quickly >>>>>>> because of using an iPhone, and it is amazing. There are a lot of 3 >>>>>>> and 4 key combinations. Basically, if I could mix the advantages of >>>>>>> PC's and Macs when it comes to accessibility, I would. i like and >>>>>>> dislike them both for different reasons. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> One thing to know about VoiceOver is that it gives you an idea of the >>>>>>> layout of pages much better than screen readers on PC's. While it's >>>>>>> great to know that, I have found that it sometimes slows me down when >>>>>>> I just need to navigate to one specific thing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I love Textedit. Numbers is pretty similar to Excel, but you'll have >>>>>>> to get used to the fact that Macs are more artsy and eye appealing. >>>>>>> Programs are going to automatically look nice. While this takes some >>>>>>> pressure off of a blind person when it comes to printing spreadsheets >>>>>>> without graphs on top of them, they are sometimes cumbersome to >>>>>>> navigate. I found the same thing in Keynote. In some ways, it is much >>>>>>> more accessible than JAWS and PowerPoint, but again, you can insert a >>>>>>> picture and you won't be able to get feedback about whether you put it >>>>>>> in the right place, and text boxes aren't very navigacable especially >>>>>>> when you arrange multiple columns. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In any case, if you are curious, and if you learn more and really want >>>>>>> to switch, just know that you can always split your Mac with Bootcamp. >>>>>>> Even though I do use Windows too much, I think that Apple products are >>>>>>> made better, and the warrantee is great. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I also second getting the refirbished products. I got a 13-inch pro >>>>>>> with 3 years of Apple care for $50 less than the New 13-inch pro with >>>>>>> only the standard 1 year warrantee. I got the 3 years of Apple care, >>>>>>> because it was my first time buying a refirbished Apple product, so I >>>>>>> wanted to be safe, and Apple care is much more inclusive than the >>>>>>> regular warrantee. There are basically no questions asked if something >>>>>>> happens to your product. I do disagree about the air though. Your >>>>>>> decision should be made on what you need to do with your computer, but >>>>>>> the Pro has more memory, and is not much bigger. It also has more >>>>>>> ports to plug things in and an SD card slot which is great if you take >>>>>>> a lot of pictures. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Good luck in your decision, and I hope I was able to provide some good >>>>>>> information for you. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cindy >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 4/20/12, Bryan Jones wrote: >>>>>>>> Hello Laurel, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My perspective is as someone who has never used a Windows screen >>>>>>>> reader, >>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>> I can't offer much in terms of comparing VoiceOver to Jaws or >>>>>>>> Window-Eyes >>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>> NVDA, but I can provide a bit of input to a few of your other >>>>>>>> questions. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 1. Macbook Pro vs iMac. >>>>>>>> I've used a variety of Mac desktops and laptops in the past 5 or 6 >>>>>>>> years >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> my personal favorite is the current 11 inch Macbook Air. Portability >>>>>>>> is a >>>>>>>> high priority for me, and the Air also offers good performance and a >>>>>>>> decent, >>>>>>>> though notperfect, keyboard. If you are set on choosing between an >>>>>>>> MBP >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> an iMac, you might consider waiting another month or two as rumor has >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>> Apple will soon be introducing updated versions of the MBP. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 3, Kurzweil / OCR options. >>>>>>>> I use Abbyy FineReader Express for OCR. It's been able to handle most >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> jobs I've thrown at it, including PDF conversions and multi-language >>>>>>>> documents. Again, I've never used Kurzweil, so can't offer a >>>>>>>> comparison. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 4, anything else. >>>>>>>>> 4a. MS Office for Mac is not accessible using VO. In fact, if you >>>>>>>>> expect >>>>>>>>> to be editing or creating documents that include tables and several >>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>> key elements, there is currently no word processor that smoothly >>>>>>>>> allows >>>>>>>>> VO >>>>>>>>> access to these functions. Pages and Nissus Writer are close and >>>>>>>>> getting >>>>>>>>> better, but are not there yet. That said, if you do not expect to be >>>>>>>>> working with complex documents, you might be OK just using the >>>>>>>>> Mac's >>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>> good built-in word processor called Textedit. It opens Word >>>>>>>>> documents >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> can save in a variety of formats. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 4b. Web browser options are still limited on the Mac. Safari and it's >>>>>>>> cousins Webkit and Chrome work OK with VO, but FIrefox and Opera >>>>>>>> aren't >>>>>>>> there yet and there is no version of IE on the Mac. >>>>>>>> 4c. Generally, when folks ask me if I think they should switch to a >>>>>>>> Mac, >>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>> answer is "No, unless you really have a desire to learn something >>>>>>>> different >>>>>>>> or you just want a new toy." For most Users and functions, the Mac OS >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>> better than Windows. You'll still crash sometimes, you'll still be >>>>>>>> vulnerable to malware and other security threats, and you'll find >>>>>>>> plenty >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> hardware and software that does not play well with VO. >>>>>>>> Plus if you've already invested in an expensive windows screen >>>>>>>> reader, >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> expensive Windows office suite, and if they're working OK for you, >>>>>>>> you'll >>>>>>>> lose that investment when moving too the Mac unless you decide to go >>>>>>>> through >>>>>>>> the hassle of installing Windows on your Mac. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> More than anything else, I strongly suggest spending time in an Apple >>>>>>>> Store, >>>>>>>> Best Buy or other place where you can get your hands on the Macs and >>>>>>>> spend >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> bit of time trying them out. If you want to actively learn how to use >>>>>>>> VO >>>>>>>> while sitting in front of any current Mac, you can turn on VO by >>>>>>>> pressing >>>>>>>> Command+F5. The Command key is the key immediately to the left of the >>>>>>>> spacebar, and the F5 key is the sixth key from the left in the top >>>>>>>> row >>>>>>>> (the >>>>>>>> first key being the escape key). When you press Command+F5, you >>>>>>>> should >>>>>>>> hear >>>>>>>> the announcement, "VoiceOver On." Once VoiceOver is running, you can >>>>>>>> access >>>>>>>> a quick VoiceOver tutorial by pressing and holding the three keys >>>>>>>> located >>>>>>>> immediately to the left of the Spacebar and then pressing the F8 key, >>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>> is the ninth key from the left in the top row. You should hear >>>>>>>> VoiceOver >>>>>>>> announce, "VoiceOver Quick Start." The quick start tutorial will >>>>>>>> introduce >>>>>>>> you to the "VO" keys and will point you in the right direction for >>>>>>>> learning >>>>>>>> more about the Mac and VO. Consider bringing a pair of headphones or >>>>>>>> earbuds >>>>>>>> when you try this out. It can get pretty noisy in an Apple store. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you haven't already joined, there are a number of active email >>>>>>>> lists >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> forums for blind and low-vision Mac Users. A quick google will turn >>>>>>>> up a >>>>>>>> list of them. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> One last note: I personally think the best way to purchase a Mac is >>>>>>>> through >>>>>>>> Apple's own refurb store, which can be found from their main shopping >>>>>>>> site >>>>>>>> at store dot apple dot com. Macs purchased there usually cost a >>>>>>>> couple >>>>>>>> hundred dollars less, come with the exact same 1 year warranty as new >>>>>>>> Macs >>>>>>>> and can be covered under the same extended Applecare warranty plans. >>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>> only Macs I've had to take in for service were ones I purchased new. >>>>>>>> My >>>>>>>> refurbs have never needed service. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> HTH, >>>>>>>> Bryan >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Apr 20, 2012, at 10:29 AM, Laurel wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>>> I have to confess, I haven't been watching the recent thread where >>>>>>>>> people were talking about mac vs. pc. I wanted to buy a mac but I >>>>>>>>> didn't have the money so I was putting it off. This week I got some >>>>>>>>> very unexpected money from somewhere (I don't wanna go into all the >>>>>>>>> details) but I have enough to buy a mac. I plan to do so but I >>>>>>>>> wanted >>>>>>>>> to ask some questions about the mac that maybe some of y'all could >>>>>>>>> answer for me. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 1. Do you all prefer the Mac Book Pro (lap top) or the iMac (desk >>>>>>>>> top). >>>>>>>>> 2, those of you who use JAWS and switched to voice over on the mac, >>>>>>>>> how hard/easy was the switch? I already use voice over on the >>>>>>>>> iPad/iPhone but I'm not used to it on the mac yet. >>>>>>>>> 3, Do any of you use Kurzweil for scanning? I have Kurzweil 1000 for >>>>>>>>> windows, and I don't know what to do for my scanning program on a >>>>>>>>> mac. >>>>>>>>> Should I use my Kurzweil, I know you can use mac to run programs >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> run on windows, or should I switch to another program. What other >>>>>>>>> scanning programs out there work well with voice over? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 4, is there anything else, accessibility related as far as softwear >>>>>>>>> goes, that I should know before I make the switch? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I plan on keeping my pc at least for the summer so I can slowly >>>>>>>>> switch >>>>>>>>> over and have time to get used to a mac. I know this is a long >>>>>>>>> email, >>>>>>>>> but for you mac users out there, thanks for the help. It's >>>>>>>>> appreciated. >>>>>>>>> Laurel and Stockard >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/opensesame%40me.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Cindy Bennett >>>>>>> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >>>>>>> >>>>>>> clb5590 at gmail.com >>>>>>> 828.989.5383 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stockard%40gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorge.paez1994%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cassonw%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Bill Casson >>> University of New Mexico >>> M.S. Computer Science >>> (505) 695-1374 >>> cassonw at unm.edu >> >> >> >> -- >> Bill Casson >> University of New Mexico >> M.S. Computer Science >> Lewis & Clark Alumnus '11 >> B.A. Physics and Math/Comp Sci. >> (505) 695-1374 >> cassonw at gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stockard%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Mon Apr 23 16:29:05 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 11:29:05 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] The Blio Website Message-ID: For some reason, when I go to Blio's Website, it opens a new tab, and Jaws doesn't say anything! What's going on? Thanks, Joshua From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Apr 23 19:44:26 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 15:44:26 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] citing APA style Message-ID: <9ABE6B0F31414ED28C789579CA4FDAB0@OwnerPC> Hi all, I’m struggling with the citation style as usual. Jaws doesn’t tell me the formatting of the words and I went word by word to hear punctuation in the sample reference entry I looked up. I do have to alphabetize them, right? I know you do in MLA. How Do I format the Journal title and title of article? Do I put italics or anything on it? Before there were quotes around the title of article, but when I looked online now, there are none. How do I site the volume number and issue? The sample says number and a parenthese number. I’m confused. I know I site the page number range after this. Like do I write Journal of Adolescent psychology, 3 (24) and the 3 is volume number and 24 is issue number? Thanks. Ashley From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Mon Apr 23 19:52:16 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 14:52:16 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] citing APA style In-Reply-To: <9ABE6B0F31414ED28C789579CA4FDAB0@OwnerPC> References: <9ABE6B0F31414ED28C789579CA4FDAB0@OwnerPC> Message-ID: I've always hated APA format! It's very confusing! My Freshmen English instructor made us use it, so I had a sighted work-study help me format it. I'd recommend this, as well. Blessings, Joshua On 4/23/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi all, > > I’m struggling with the citation style as usual. Jaws doesn’t tell me the > formatting of the words and I went word by word to hear punctuation in the > sample reference entry I looked up. I do have to alphabetize them, right? I > know you do in MLA. > > How Do I format the Journal title and title of article? Do I put italics or > anything on it? Before there were quotes around the title of article, but > when I looked online now, there are none. > How do I site the volume number and issue? The sample says number and a > parenthese number. I’m confused. I know I site the page number range after > this. Like do I write Journal of Adolescent psychology, 3 (24) and the 3 is > volume number and 24 is issue number? > > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From jorge.paez1994 at gmail.com Mon Apr 23 20:04:14 2012 From: jorge.paez1994 at gmail.com (Jorge Paez) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 16:04:14 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] questions about a mac bok pro In-Reply-To: <2152872424394392069@unknownmsgid> References: <1AE4C7F2-F123-43D9-B117-43C36A7AE018@me.com> <2EB2B236-F2A8-40AF-80D3-58660A6C4A85@gmail.com> <2152872424394392069@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Interesting. What is it called? On Apr 23, 2012, at 11:48 AM, Ignasi Cambra wrote: > Obviously Windows apps won't run natively on Mac OS X. There are some > tools available that can make certain things run, but accessibility > related programs will most likely not work. If you don't want to use > bootcamp you can use a virtualization solution such as VmWare fusion, > Virtualbox or Parallels. This runs a full installation of Windows on > top of OS X in a virtual machine. All your Windows applications will > work just fine, and you won't have to reboot every time you need to > use them. By the way, Serotek offers a great OCR solution for the Mac, > in case you are interested. > > Ignasi > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 23, 2012, at 11:37 AM, Laurel wrote: > >> Hi all, >> I hope you all don't mind, but I have yet another question. Can I run >> any windows based programs on my mac without boot camp? For example, >> my Kurzweil program I have Kurzweil 1000 for windows, can I find a way >> to still run that on my mac? Or do you hafta have boot camp, and or >> windows for mac, in order to run your windows based programs. >> Sorry, I know this might seem like a dumb question, but I'm just >> trying to make sure I understand all the ins and outs of a mac. >> /smiles/ >> Laurel and Stockard >> >> On 4/23/12, Bill wrote: >>> Also remember you must purchase a license if you are going to legally >>> bootcamp with windows. They are somewhere between 120 and 250 I think >>> depending on which version you buy and if you buy an OEM or student >>> license. >>> Bill >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 5:04 AM, Jorge Paez >>>> wrote: >>>>>>> Laurel: >>>>> The only thing I would add to this is be careful with certain windows and >>>>> Bootcamp versions, for example, I had a huge problem installing Windows >>>>> XP on my Macbook Pro. >>>>> It worked, but there was a really annoying volume issue which I never >>>>> figured out. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 23, 2012, at 12:31 AM, Ignasi Cambra Díaz wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Bootcamp comes with your Mac, but Windows doesn't. Setting up a bootcamp >>>>>> partition takes just a couple of minutes, but unless you have an >>>>>> automated Windows installation dvd you won't be able to install Windows >>>>>> independently. That's one of the things I love about Mac OS X, I can do >>>>>> everything by myself. >>>>>> On Apr 22, 2012, at 10:40 PM, Laurel wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Cindy, >>>>>>> What is boot camp, and how can I get it? Does it automatically come or >>>>>>> do I have to buy it, and if I have to buy it, how much does it cost? >>>>>>> I know I'm asking alot of general broad questions, but I appreciate >>>>>>> you all helping me out. >>>>>>> Laurel and Stockard >>>>>>> >>>>>>> P.S. >>>>>>> I am a foreign language major and will be doing alot of interpreting >>>>>>> and translating. One of the reasons I love vo is it's good support for >>>>>>> alot of languages, where I don't hafta download extra voices or buy >>>>>>> extra languages. >>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 4/20/12, Cindy Bennett wrote: >>>>>>>> Laurel: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think that Bryan gave you a lot of good information. I can enlighten >>>>>>>> you on the switch though. I have a MacBook pro and I split it with >>>>>>>> bootcamp, and I use the PC side of my computer way more. Like >>>>>>>> anything, if I had started with Macs, I think that I would have >>>>>>>> trouble switching to a PC, and I think that is the main reason I >>>>>>>> haven't switched. Because of the MS Word problems Bryan talked about, >>>>>>>> I will never fully switch, because I plan to go back to school, and >>>>>>>> unless you are majoring in something in the arts or graphic design, >>>>>>>> you absolutely have to have access to the Microsoft Suite while in >>>>>>>> school. I love VoiceOver though. You'll pick up the track pad quickly >>>>>>>> because of using an iPhone, and it is amazing. There are a lot of 3 >>>>>>>> and 4 key combinations. Basically, if I could mix the advantages of >>>>>>>> PC's and Macs when it comes to accessibility, I would. i like and >>>>>>>> dislike them both for different reasons. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> One thing to know about VoiceOver is that it gives you an idea of the >>>>>>>> layout of pages much better than screen readers on PC's. While it's >>>>>>>> great to know that, I have found that it sometimes slows me down when >>>>>>>> I just need to navigate to one specific thing. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I love Textedit. Numbers is pretty similar to Excel, but you'll have >>>>>>>> to get used to the fact that Macs are more artsy and eye appealing. >>>>>>>> Programs are going to automatically look nice. While this takes some >>>>>>>> pressure off of a blind person when it comes to printing spreadsheets >>>>>>>> without graphs on top of them, they are sometimes cumbersome to >>>>>>>> navigate. I found the same thing in Keynote. In some ways, it is much >>>>>>>> more accessible than JAWS and PowerPoint, but again, you can insert a >>>>>>>> picture and you won't be able to get feedback about whether you put it >>>>>>>> in the right place, and text boxes aren't very navigacable especially >>>>>>>> when you arrange multiple columns. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In any case, if you are curious, and if you learn more and really want >>>>>>>> to switch, just know that you can always split your Mac with Bootcamp. >>>>>>>> Even though I do use Windows too much, I think that Apple products are >>>>>>>> made better, and the warrantee is great. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I also second getting the refirbished products. I got a 13-inch pro >>>>>>>> with 3 years of Apple care for $50 less than the New 13-inch pro with >>>>>>>> only the standard 1 year warrantee. I got the 3 years of Apple care, >>>>>>>> because it was my first time buying a refirbished Apple product, so I >>>>>>>> wanted to be safe, and Apple care is much more inclusive than the >>>>>>>> regular warrantee. There are basically no questions asked if something >>>>>>>> happens to your product. I do disagree about the air though. Your >>>>>>>> decision should be made on what you need to do with your computer, but >>>>>>>> the Pro has more memory, and is not much bigger. It also has more >>>>>>>> ports to plug things in and an SD card slot which is great if you take >>>>>>>> a lot of pictures. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Good luck in your decision, and I hope I was able to provide some good >>>>>>>> information for you. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cindy >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 4/20/12, Bryan Jones wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hello Laurel, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My perspective is as someone who has never used a Windows screen >>>>>>>>> reader, >>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>> I can't offer much in terms of comparing VoiceOver to Jaws or >>>>>>>>> Window-Eyes >>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>> NVDA, but I can provide a bit of input to a few of your other >>>>>>>>> questions. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 1. Macbook Pro vs iMac. >>>>>>>>> I've used a variety of Mac desktops and laptops in the past 5 or 6 >>>>>>>>> years >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> my personal favorite is the current 11 inch Macbook Air. Portability >>>>>>>>> is a >>>>>>>>> high priority for me, and the Air also offers good performance and a >>>>>>>>> decent, >>>>>>>>> though notperfect, keyboard. If you are set on choosing between an >>>>>>>>> MBP >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> an iMac, you might consider waiting another month or two as rumor has >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> Apple will soon be introducing updated versions of the MBP. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 3, Kurzweil / OCR options. >>>>>>>>> I use Abbyy FineReader Express for OCR. It's been able to handle most >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> jobs I've thrown at it, including PDF conversions and multi-language >>>>>>>>> documents. Again, I've never used Kurzweil, so can't offer a >>>>>>>>> comparison. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 4, anything else. >>>>>>>>>> 4a. MS Office for Mac is not accessible using VO. In fact, if you >>>>>>>>>> expect >>>>>>>>>> to be editing or creating documents that include tables and several >>>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>>> key elements, there is currently no word processor that smoothly >>>>>>>>>> allows >>>>>>>>>> VO >>>>>>>>>> access to these functions. Pages and Nissus Writer are close and >>>>>>>>>> getting >>>>>>>>>> better, but are not there yet. That said, if you do not expect to be >>>>>>>>>> working with complex documents, you might be OK just using the >>>>>>>>>> Mac's >>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>> good built-in word processor called Textedit. It opens Word >>>>>>>>>> documents >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> can save in a variety of formats. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 4b. Web browser options are still limited on the Mac. Safari and it's >>>>>>>>> cousins Webkit and Chrome work OK with VO, but FIrefox and Opera >>>>>>>>> aren't >>>>>>>>> there yet and there is no version of IE on the Mac. >>>>>>>>> 4c. Generally, when folks ask me if I think they should switch to a >>>>>>>>> Mac, >>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>> answer is "No, unless you really have a desire to learn something >>>>>>>>> different >>>>>>>>> or you just want a new toy." For most Users and functions, the Mac OS >>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>>> better than Windows. You'll still crash sometimes, you'll still be >>>>>>>>> vulnerable to malware and other security threats, and you'll find >>>>>>>>> plenty >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> hardware and software that does not play well with VO. >>>>>>>>> Plus if you've already invested in an expensive windows screen >>>>>>>>> reader, >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> expensive Windows office suite, and if they're working OK for you, >>>>>>>>> you'll >>>>>>>>> lose that investment when moving too the Mac unless you decide to go >>>>>>>>> through >>>>>>>>> the hassle of installing Windows on your Mac. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> More than anything else, I strongly suggest spending time in an Apple >>>>>>>>> Store, >>>>>>>>> Best Buy or other place where you can get your hands on the Macs and >>>>>>>>> spend >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> bit of time trying them out. If you want to actively learn how to use >>>>>>>>> VO >>>>>>>>> while sitting in front of any current Mac, you can turn on VO by >>>>>>>>> pressing >>>>>>>>> Command+F5. The Command key is the key immediately to the left of the >>>>>>>>> spacebar, and the F5 key is the sixth key from the left in the top >>>>>>>>> row >>>>>>>>> (the >>>>>>>>> first key being the escape key). When you press Command+F5, you >>>>>>>>> should >>>>>>>>> hear >>>>>>>>> the announcement, "VoiceOver On." Once VoiceOver is running, you can >>>>>>>>> access >>>>>>>>> a quick VoiceOver tutorial by pressing and holding the three keys >>>>>>>>> located >>>>>>>>> immediately to the left of the Spacebar and then pressing the F8 key, >>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>> is the ninth key from the left in the top row. You should hear >>>>>>>>> VoiceOver >>>>>>>>> announce, "VoiceOver Quick Start." The quick start tutorial will >>>>>>>>> introduce >>>>>>>>> you to the "VO" keys and will point you in the right direction for >>>>>>>>> learning >>>>>>>>> more about the Mac and VO. Consider bringing a pair of headphones or >>>>>>>>> earbuds >>>>>>>>> when you try this out. It can get pretty noisy in an Apple store. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If you haven't already joined, there are a number of active email >>>>>>>>> lists >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> forums for blind and low-vision Mac Users. A quick google will turn >>>>>>>>> up a >>>>>>>>> list of them. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> One last note: I personally think the best way to purchase a Mac is >>>>>>>>> through >>>>>>>>> Apple's own refurb store, which can be found from their main shopping >>>>>>>>> site >>>>>>>>> at store dot apple dot com. Macs purchased there usually cost a >>>>>>>>> couple >>>>>>>>> hundred dollars less, come with the exact same 1 year warranty as new >>>>>>>>> Macs >>>>>>>>> and can be covered under the same extended Applecare warranty plans. >>>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>> only Macs I've had to take in for service were ones I purchased new. >>>>>>>>> My >>>>>>>>> refurbs have never needed service. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> HTH, >>>>>>>>> Bryan >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Apr 20, 2012, at 10:29 AM, Laurel wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>>>> I have to confess, I haven't been watching the recent thread where >>>>>>>>>> people were talking about mac vs. pc. I wanted to buy a mac but I >>>>>>>>>> didn't have the money so I was putting it off. This week I got some >>>>>>>>>> very unexpected money from somewhere (I don't wanna go into all the >>>>>>>>>> details) but I have enough to buy a mac. I plan to do so but I >>>>>>>>>> wanted >>>>>>>>>> to ask some questions about the mac that maybe some of y'all could >>>>>>>>>> answer for me. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 1. Do you all prefer the Mac Book Pro (lap top) or the iMac (desk >>>>>>>>>> top). >>>>>>>>>> 2, those of you who use JAWS and switched to voice over on the mac, >>>>>>>>>> how hard/easy was the switch? I already use voice over on the >>>>>>>>>> iPad/iPhone but I'm not used to it on the mac yet. >>>>>>>>>> 3, Do any of you use Kurzweil for scanning? I have Kurzweil 1000 for >>>>>>>>>> windows, and I don't know what to do for my scanning program on a >>>>>>>>>> mac. >>>>>>>>>> Should I use my Kurzweil, I know you can use mac to run programs >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> run on windows, or should I switch to another program. What other >>>>>>>>>> scanning programs out there work well with voice over? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 4, is there anything else, accessibility related as far as softwear >>>>>>>>>> goes, that I should know before I make the switch? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I plan on keeping my pc at least for the summer so I can slowly >>>>>>>>>> switch >>>>>>>>>> over and have time to get used to a mac. I know this is a long >>>>>>>>>> email, >>>>>>>>>> but for you mac users out there, thanks for the help. It's >>>>>>>>>> appreciated. >>>>>>>>>> Laurel and Stockard >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/opensesame%40me.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Cindy Bennett >>>>>>>> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> clb5590 at gmail.com >>>>>>>> 828.989.5383 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stockard%40gmail.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorge.paez1994%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cassonw%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Bill Casson >>>> University of New Mexico >>>> M.S. Computer Science >>>> (505) 695-1374 >>>> cassonw at unm.edu >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Bill Casson >>> University of New Mexico >>> M.S. Computer Science >>> Lewis & Clark Alumnus '11 >>> B.A. Physics and Math/Comp Sci. >>> (505) 695-1374 >>> cassonw at gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stockard%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorge.paez1994%40gmail.com From icewolf2011 at gtwebdesign.us Mon Apr 23 20:12:33 2012 From: icewolf2011 at gtwebdesign.us (Greg Wocher) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 16:12:33 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] citing APA style In-Reply-To: <9ABE6B0F31414ED28C789579CA4FDAB0@OwnerPC> References: <9ABE6B0F31414ED28C789579CA4FDAB0@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <4F95B7B1.60805@gtwebdesign.us> Hello Ashley, Try this website out. All you need to do is make a few selections, type in the info from your source, and it will display the correct style for the citation. http://citationmachine.net/index2.php?start=&reqstyleid=2&newstyle=2&stylebox=2 Hope this helps, Greg W. On 4/23/2012 3:44 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi all, > > I’m struggling with the citation style as usual. Jaws doesn’t tell me the formatting of the words and I went word by word to hear punctuation in the sample reference entry I looked up. I do have to alphabetize them, right? I know you do in MLA. > > How Do I format the Journal title and title of article? Do I put italics or anything on it? Before there were quotes around the title of article, but when I looked online now, there are none. > How do I site the volume number and issue? The sample says number and a parenthese number. I’m confused. I know I site the page number range after this. Like do I write Journal of Adolescent psychology, 3 (24) and the 3 is volume number and 24 is issue number? > > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/icewolf2011%40gtwebdesign.us From jeffanel at gmail.com Mon Apr 23 20:32:20 2012 From: jeffanel at gmail.com (jeff crouch) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 16:32:20 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] questions about a mac bok pro In-Reply-To: <2152872424394392069@unknownmsgid> References: <1AE4C7F2-F123-43D9-B117-43C36A7AE018@me.com> <2EB2B236-F2A8-40AF-80D3-58660A6C4A85@gmail.com> <2152872424394392069@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Hi all, i am a mac user, and have been for almost a year. I use windows more offin on the mac via v-mware fusion, but i really want to start using the mac for other things, i was wanting to know, what kind of apps can you get for the mac, and can you use the same apps on a i pod, can thoughs be used on the mac? I have the mac book pro, and love it, just don't know how to use it all that well. if anyone wants to talk to me, add me on skype magic2127 thanks 73 kd8qiq jeff crouch On 4/23/12, Ignasi Cambra wrote: > Obviously Windows apps won't run natively on Mac OS X. There are some > tools available that can make certain things run, but accessibility > related programs will most likely not work. If you don't want to use > bootcamp you can use a virtualization solution such as VmWare fusion, > Virtualbox or Parallels. This runs a full installation of Windows on > top of OS X in a virtual machine. All your Windows applications will > work just fine, and you won't have to reboot every time you need to > use them. By the way, Serotek offers a great OCR solution for the Mac, > in case you are interested. > > Ignasi > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 23, 2012, at 11:37 AM, Laurel wrote: > >> Hi all, >> I hope you all don't mind, but I have yet another question. Can I run >> any windows based programs on my mac without boot camp? For example, >> my Kurzweil program I have Kurzweil 1000 for windows, can I find a way >> to still run that on my mac? Or do you hafta have boot camp, and or >> windows for mac, in order to run your windows based programs. >> Sorry, I know this might seem like a dumb question, but I'm just >> trying to make sure I understand all the ins and outs of a mac. >> /smiles/ >> Laurel and Stockard >> >> On 4/23/12, Bill wrote: >>> Also remember you must purchase a license if you are going to legally >>> bootcamp with windows. They are somewhere between 120 and 250 I think >>> depending on which version you buy and if you buy an OEM or student >>> license. >>> Bill >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 5:04 AM, Jorge Paez >>>> wrote: >>>>>>> Laurel: >>>>> The only thing I would add to this is be careful with certain windows >>>>> and >>>>> Bootcamp versions, for example, I had a huge problem installing Windows >>>>> XP on my Macbook Pro. >>>>> It worked, but there was a really annoying volume issue which I never >>>>> figured out. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 23, 2012, at 12:31 AM, Ignasi Cambra Díaz wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Bootcamp comes with your Mac, but Windows doesn't. Setting up a >>>>>> bootcamp >>>>>> partition takes just a couple of minutes, but unless you have an >>>>>> automated Windows installation dvd you won't be able to install >>>>>> Windows >>>>>> independently. That's one of the things I love about Mac OS X, I can >>>>>> do >>>>>> everything by myself. >>>>>> On Apr 22, 2012, at 10:40 PM, Laurel wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Cindy, >>>>>>> What is boot camp, and how can I get it? Does it automatically come >>>>>>> or >>>>>>> do I have to buy it, and if I have to buy it, how much does it cost? >>>>>>> I know I'm asking alot of general broad questions, but I appreciate >>>>>>> you all helping me out. >>>>>>> Laurel and Stockard >>>>>>> >>>>>>> P.S. >>>>>>> I am a foreign language major and will be doing alot of interpreting >>>>>>> and translating. One of the reasons I love vo is it's good support >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> alot of languages, where I don't hafta download extra voices or buy >>>>>>> extra languages. >>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 4/20/12, Cindy Bennett wrote: >>>>>>>> Laurel: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think that Bryan gave you a lot of good information. I can >>>>>>>> enlighten >>>>>>>> you on the switch though. I have a MacBook pro and I split it with >>>>>>>> bootcamp, and I use the PC side of my computer way more. Like >>>>>>>> anything, if I had started with Macs, I think that I would have >>>>>>>> trouble switching to a PC, and I think that is the main reason I >>>>>>>> haven't switched. Because of the MS Word problems Bryan talked >>>>>>>> about, >>>>>>>> I will never fully switch, because I plan to go back to school, and >>>>>>>> unless you are majoring in something in the arts or graphic design, >>>>>>>> you absolutely have to have access to the Microsoft Suite while in >>>>>>>> school. I love VoiceOver though. You'll pick up the track pad >>>>>>>> quickly >>>>>>>> because of using an iPhone, and it is amazing. There are a lot of 3 >>>>>>>> and 4 key combinations. Basically, if I could mix the advantages of >>>>>>>> PC's and Macs when it comes to accessibility, I would. i like and >>>>>>>> dislike them both for different reasons. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> One thing to know about VoiceOver is that it gives you an idea of >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> layout of pages much better than screen readers on PC's. While it's >>>>>>>> great to know that, I have found that it sometimes slows me down >>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>> I just need to navigate to one specific thing. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I love Textedit. Numbers is pretty similar to Excel, but you'll have >>>>>>>> to get used to the fact that Macs are more artsy and eye appealing. >>>>>>>> Programs are going to automatically look nice. While this takes some >>>>>>>> pressure off of a blind person when it comes to printing >>>>>>>> spreadsheets >>>>>>>> without graphs on top of them, they are sometimes cumbersome to >>>>>>>> navigate. I found the same thing in Keynote. In some ways, it is >>>>>>>> much >>>>>>>> more accessible than JAWS and PowerPoint, but again, you can insert >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> picture and you won't be able to get feedback about whether you put >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>> in the right place, and text boxes aren't very navigacable >>>>>>>> especially >>>>>>>> when you arrange multiple columns. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In any case, if you are curious, and if you learn more and really >>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>> to switch, just know that you can always split your Mac with >>>>>>>> Bootcamp. >>>>>>>> Even though I do use Windows too much, I think that Apple products >>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>> made better, and the warrantee is great. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I also second getting the refirbished products. I got a 13-inch pro >>>>>>>> with 3 years of Apple care for $50 less than the New 13-inch pro >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>> only the standard 1 year warrantee. I got the 3 years of Apple care, >>>>>>>> because it was my first time buying a refirbished Apple product, so >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> wanted to be safe, and Apple care is much more inclusive than the >>>>>>>> regular warrantee. There are basically no questions asked if >>>>>>>> something >>>>>>>> happens to your product. I do disagree about the air though. Your >>>>>>>> decision should be made on what you need to do with your computer, >>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>> the Pro has more memory, and is not much bigger. It also has more >>>>>>>> ports to plug things in and an SD card slot which is great if you >>>>>>>> take >>>>>>>> a lot of pictures. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Good luck in your decision, and I hope I was able to provide some >>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>> information for you. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cindy >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 4/20/12, Bryan Jones wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hello Laurel, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My perspective is as someone who has never used a Windows screen >>>>>>>>> reader, >>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>> I can't offer much in terms of comparing VoiceOver to Jaws or >>>>>>>>> Window-Eyes >>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>> NVDA, but I can provide a bit of input to a few of your other >>>>>>>>> questions. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 1. Macbook Pro vs iMac. >>>>>>>>> I've used a variety of Mac desktops and laptops in the past 5 or 6 >>>>>>>>> years >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> my personal favorite is the current 11 inch Macbook Air. >>>>>>>>> Portability >>>>>>>>> is a >>>>>>>>> high priority for me, and the Air also offers good performance and >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> decent, >>>>>>>>> though notperfect, keyboard. If you are set on choosing between an >>>>>>>>> MBP >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> an iMac, you might consider waiting another month or two as rumor >>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> Apple will soon be introducing updated versions of the MBP. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 3, Kurzweil / OCR options. >>>>>>>>> I use Abbyy FineReader Express for OCR. It's been able to handle >>>>>>>>> most >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> jobs I've thrown at it, including PDF conversions and >>>>>>>>> multi-language >>>>>>>>> documents. Again, I've never used Kurzweil, so can't offer a >>>>>>>>> comparison. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 4, anything else. >>>>>>>>>> 4a. MS Office for Mac is not accessible using VO. In fact, if you >>>>>>>>>> expect >>>>>>>>>> to be editing or creating documents that include tables and >>>>>>>>>> several >>>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>>> key elements, there is currently no word processor that smoothly >>>>>>>>>> allows >>>>>>>>>> VO >>>>>>>>>> access to these functions. Pages and Nissus Writer are close and >>>>>>>>>> getting >>>>>>>>>> better, but are not there yet. That said, if you do not expect to >>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>> working with complex documents, you might be OK just using the >>>>>>>>>> Mac's >>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>> good built-in word processor called Textedit. It opens Word >>>>>>>>>> documents >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> can save in a variety of formats. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 4b. Web browser options are still limited on the Mac. Safari and >>>>>>>>> it's >>>>>>>>> cousins Webkit and Chrome work OK with VO, but FIrefox and Opera >>>>>>>>> aren't >>>>>>>>> there yet and there is no version of IE on the Mac. >>>>>>>>> 4c. Generally, when folks ask me if I think they should switch to a >>>>>>>>> Mac, >>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>> answer is "No, unless you really have a desire to learn something >>>>>>>>> different >>>>>>>>> or you just want a new toy." For most Users and functions, the Mac >>>>>>>>> OS >>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>>> better than Windows. You'll still crash sometimes, you'll still be >>>>>>>>> vulnerable to malware and other security threats, and you'll find >>>>>>>>> plenty >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> hardware and software that does not play well with VO. >>>>>>>>> Plus if you've already invested in an expensive windows screen >>>>>>>>> reader, >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> expensive Windows office suite, and if they're working OK for you, >>>>>>>>> you'll >>>>>>>>> lose that investment when moving too the Mac unless you decide to >>>>>>>>> go >>>>>>>>> through >>>>>>>>> the hassle of installing Windows on your Mac. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> More than anything else, I strongly suggest spending time in an >>>>>>>>> Apple >>>>>>>>> Store, >>>>>>>>> Best Buy or other place where you can get your hands on the Macs >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> spend >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> bit of time trying them out. If you want to actively learn how to >>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>> VO >>>>>>>>> while sitting in front of any current Mac, you can turn on VO by >>>>>>>>> pressing >>>>>>>>> Command+F5. The Command key is the key immediately to the left of >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> spacebar, and the F5 key is the sixth key from the left in the top >>>>>>>>> row >>>>>>>>> (the >>>>>>>>> first key being the escape key). When you press Command+F5, you >>>>>>>>> should >>>>>>>>> hear >>>>>>>>> the announcement, "VoiceOver On." Once VoiceOver is running, you >>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>> access >>>>>>>>> a quick VoiceOver tutorial by pressing and holding the three keys >>>>>>>>> located >>>>>>>>> immediately to the left of the Spacebar and then pressing the F8 >>>>>>>>> key, >>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>> is the ninth key from the left in the top row. You should hear >>>>>>>>> VoiceOver >>>>>>>>> announce, "VoiceOver Quick Start." The quick start tutorial will >>>>>>>>> introduce >>>>>>>>> you to the "VO" keys and will point you in the right direction for >>>>>>>>> learning >>>>>>>>> more about the Mac and VO. Consider bringing a pair of headphones >>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>> earbuds >>>>>>>>> when you try this out. It can get pretty noisy in an Apple store. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If you haven't already joined, there are a number of active email >>>>>>>>> lists >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> forums for blind and low-vision Mac Users. A quick google will turn >>>>>>>>> up a >>>>>>>>> list of them. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> One last note: I personally think the best way to purchase a Mac is >>>>>>>>> through >>>>>>>>> Apple's own refurb store, which can be found from their main >>>>>>>>> shopping >>>>>>>>> site >>>>>>>>> at store dot apple dot com. Macs purchased there usually cost a >>>>>>>>> couple >>>>>>>>> hundred dollars less, come with the exact same 1 year warranty as >>>>>>>>> new >>>>>>>>> Macs >>>>>>>>> and can be covered under the same extended Applecare warranty >>>>>>>>> plans. >>>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>> only Macs I've had to take in for service were ones I purchased >>>>>>>>> new. >>>>>>>>> My >>>>>>>>> refurbs have never needed service. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> HTH, >>>>>>>>> Bryan >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Apr 20, 2012, at 10:29 AM, Laurel wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>>>> I have to confess, I haven't been watching the recent thread where >>>>>>>>>> people were talking about mac vs. pc. I wanted to buy a mac but I >>>>>>>>>> didn't have the money so I was putting it off. This week I got >>>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>>> very unexpected money from somewhere (I don't wanna go into all >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> details) but I have enough to buy a mac. I plan to do so but I >>>>>>>>>> wanted >>>>>>>>>> to ask some questions about the mac that maybe some of y'all could >>>>>>>>>> answer for me. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 1. Do you all prefer the Mac Book Pro (lap top) or the iMac (desk >>>>>>>>>> top). >>>>>>>>>> 2, those of you who use JAWS and switched to voice over on the >>>>>>>>>> mac, >>>>>>>>>> how hard/easy was the switch? I already use voice over on the >>>>>>>>>> iPad/iPhone but I'm not used to it on the mac yet. >>>>>>>>>> 3, Do any of you use Kurzweil for scanning? I have Kurzweil 1000 >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> windows, and I don't know what to do for my scanning program on a >>>>>>>>>> mac. >>>>>>>>>> Should I use my Kurzweil, I know you can use mac to run programs >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> run on windows, or should I switch to another program. What other >>>>>>>>>> scanning programs out there work well with voice over? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 4, is there anything else, accessibility related as far as >>>>>>>>>> softwear >>>>>>>>>> goes, that I should know before I make the switch? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I plan on keeping my pc at least for the summer so I can slowly >>>>>>>>>> switch >>>>>>>>>> over and have time to get used to a mac. I know this is a long >>>>>>>>>> email, >>>>>>>>>> but for you mac users out there, thanks for the help. It's >>>>>>>>>> appreciated. >>>>>>>>>> Laurel and Stockard >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/opensesame%40me.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Cindy Bennett >>>>>>>> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> clb5590 at gmail.com >>>>>>>> 828.989.5383 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stockard%40gmail.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorge.paez1994%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cassonw%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Bill Casson >>>> University of New Mexico >>>> M.S. Computer Science >>>> (505) 695-1374 >>>> cassonw at unm.edu >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Bill Casson >>> University of New Mexico >>> M.S. Computer Science >>> Lewis & Clark Alumnus '11 >>> B.A. Physics and Math/Comp Sci. >>> (505) 695-1374 >>> cassonw at gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stockard%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jeffanel%40gmail.com > -- 73 kd8qiq jeff crouch From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Apr 23 20:27:41 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 16:27:41 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] citing APA style In-Reply-To: References: <9ABE6B0F31414ED28C789579CA4FDAB0@OwnerPC> Message-ID: gee, Josh, lots of people hate formatting. Its just a little harder for us since we cannot see it so someone has to tell us. It used to be that you put the article in quotes and underlined book or chapter titles.From what I can see so far, this is no longer the case. You start it the same though. Just do not put quotes or underlines; its still author's name, date in parenthesis, title of article or book, title of journal. then not sure. I'll ask someone sighted yeah, but I need to learn. I can certainly bold or italic something if I know what need to be bolded/italiacized. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 3:52 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style I've always hated APA format! It's very confusing! My Freshmen English instructor made us use it, so I had a sighted work-study help me format it. I'd recommend this, as well. Blessings, Joshua On 4/23/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi all, > > I’m struggling with the citation style as usual. Jaws doesn’t tell me the > formatting of the words and I went word by word to hear punctuation in the > sample reference entry I looked up. I do have to alphabetize them, right? > I > know you do in MLA. > > How Do I format the Journal title and title of article? Do I put italics > or > anything on it? Before there were quotes around the title of article, but > when I looked online now, there are none. > How do I site the volume number and issue? The sample says number and a > parenthese number. I’m confused. I know I site the page number range after > this. Like do I write Journal of Adolescent psychology, 3 (24) and the 3 > is > volume number and 24 is issue number? > > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Apr 23 21:24:18 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 17:24:18 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] College Message-ID: <4f95c8b2.c8bde00a.3951.ffffea26@mx.google.com> Lanie, If you're a member of Learning Ally (formerly RFBD,) you may be able to get the book from there; I know RFBD does some math books. You might be able to get it from Bookshare, but I'm not sure how you would handle the graphics. Chris Nusbaum "For we walk by faith, not by sight." 2 Corinthians 5:7 Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Lanie wrote: Joshua, You really could rephrase that as, "If possible, you could leave the Brailler." As has been stated, this does not seem to be an option. What works for you does not work for everyone. I know from experience that it is necessary to have a Brailler for certain types of math. Nicole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" wrote: Hi all. I was wondering if anyone could give me advice on this. I'm taking Calculus 2 in college and have to carry around several Braille volumes so that I can keep up, a Brailler, my BrailleNote, Braille paper, and an APH Graphing Aid for Mathematics, all in a huge rolling bag. I have reason to think that all this is messing up my back. I don't know how to lighten the load, but I can't keep carrxing it. I've already talked with the Office for Students with Disabilities coordinator, but they don't have any Braillers. How do any others on this list who are taking classes with huge Braille books and other things like this do it? Do you use a large bag like I do? Any advice here would be great! Thanks. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40 wavecable.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/readtobuild%4 0gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Apr 23 21:24:21 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 17:24:21 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Slowness of Notetakers was Re: College Message-ID: <4f95c8b6.c8bde00a.3951.ffffea27@mx.google.com> That's why it was slow, then; it was probably an mPower. I have never had the problem you describe on my Apex, although I did on my mPower. If you can afford an Apex or can get funding from rehab or another nonprofit (the Lions Club, for example,) I think it is a good investment. I don't have a lot of hands-on experience with the PacMate, although I did play around with one a little at the Braille Challenge conpetition in Los Angeles and have heard some podcast demos of it, and I think the BrailleNote is generally easier to navigate than the PacMate. That's just my personal opinion; if you are comfortable with the PacMate's layout and like it better than the BrailleNote, don't let me discourage you! Chris Nusbaum "For we walk by faith, not by sight." 2 Corinthians 5:7 Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Please define what you mean by slow. Have you used a BrailleNote? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" wrote: I'm not sure. I may be there, but I don't really know yet. I'll let you know if I will be. Thanks for the offer. I've tried to work the math on the BrailleNote, but even though you can do it, it's extremely slow and not good for taking notes. As for getting my book electronically, I would if I could find it and if it's readable. Most math isn't readable with a screen reader. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Joshua, You really could rephrase that as, "If possible, you could leave the Brailler." As has been stated, this does not seem to be an option. What works for you does not work for everyone. I know from experience that it is necessary to have a Brailler for certain types of math. Nicole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" wrote: Hi all. I was wondering if anyone could give me advice on this. I'm taking Calculus 2 in college and have to carry around several Braille volumes so that I can keep up, a Brailler, my BrailleNote, Braille paper, and an APH Graphing Aid for Mathematics, all in a huge rolling bag. I have reason to think that all this is messing up my back. I don't know how to lighten the load, but I can't keep carrxing it. I've already talked with the Office for Students with Disabilities coordinator, but they don't have any Braillers. How do any others on this list who are taking classes with huge Braille books and other things like this do it? Do you use a large bag like I do? Any advice here would be great! Thanks. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40 wavecable.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/readtobuild%4 0gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40 wavecable.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Apr 23 21:24:12 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 17:24:12 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] College Message-ID: <4f95c8ac.c8bde00a.3951.ffffea1d@mx.google.com> As a BrailleNote user, I see a few problems with that suggestion. Firstly, I don't know about calculus, but I do know that in my Algebra 1 class, I am unable to do some things on my BrailleNote's scientific calculator that the sighted students use their graphing calculators for, such as calculating line of best fit. Secondly, since the BrailleNote doesn't support the Nemeth code directly, it's hard to show work and do math calculations using Keyword, the word-processing program for the BrailleNote. You can do limited math using computer Braille, although there are some math symbols that are only in Nemeth, and can't be done using computer Braille; for example, geometry symbols and symbols for lines. Other than that, the BrailleNote's calculator is great. Chris Nusbaum "For we walk by faith, not by sight." 2 Corinthians 5:7 Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Hi all. I was wondering if anyone could give me advice on this. I'm taking Calculus 2 in college and have to carry around several Braille volumes so that I can keep up, a Brailler, my BrailleNote, Braille paper, and an APH Graphing Aid for Mathematics, all in a huge rolling bag. I have reason to think that all this is messing up my back. I don't know how to lighten the load, but I can't keep carrxing it. I've already talked with the Office for Students with Disabilities coordinator, but they don't have any Braillers. How do any others on this list who are taking classes with huge Braille books and other things like this do it? Do you use a large bag like I do? Any advice here would be great! Thanks. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Apr 23 21:24:10 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 17:24:10 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] New to the list. Message-ID: <4f95c8aa.c8bde00a.3951.ffffea1a@mx.google.com> Hi John, Welcome to the list!! This is a great place for networking, and I hope you will find it useful! My name is Chris, and I'm an 8th grade student here in Maryland. I'm probably the youngest, or one of the youngest, people on this list, but I still enjoy reading and contributing to the list. I'm very active in the NFB and in NABS, but I don't have any problem with you staying neutral; that decision is up to you. If you are able to make it to convention, that would be great! NABS has a lot of events at convention which you might be interested in, including our annual business meeting and Monte Carlo night, a fund raiser for NABS where participants have fun playing table games such as Poker and Blackjack! There's usually a NABS membership conference call sometime in June about national convention and the NABS events at the convention, so you might want to join that call if you are interested! Again, welcome to the list! Chris Chris Nusbaum "For we walk by faith, not by sight." 2 Corinthians 5:7 Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: John Moore Thanks, Arielle! Well, it looks like I'm going to the Buddy Program at LCB instead of the STEP Program, so I won't be going to convention anyway. Kind of disappointed about not being able to go to convention, but I think I'll still learn a lot from the Buddy program. Chris Nusbaum "For we walk by faith, not by sight." 2 Corinthians 5:7 Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Arielle Silverman wrote: This thread got me thinking. I'm going to national convention with the Louisiana Center of the Blind (LCB.) So, will I still be able to sit in the Maryland delegation (I'm from Maryled,) or will I need to be in the LA delegation? Chris Nusbaum "For we walk by faith, not by sight." 2 Corinthians 5:7 Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Laurel wrote: Hi nice to meet you. My name is Rania, I live in nj and am a Certified Massage Therapist in the state of nj. Rania, -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Laurel Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 11:31 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] hello Hi all, I just joined this list so I wanted to take a moment to introduce myself. My name is Laurel. I am a 20 year old college student in the Dallas, TX area. I study French and Russian. I have a working guide dog named Stockard. Stockard is a female yellow lab from Guide Dogs for the Blind and she will turn 4 in September. We have been a team for 2 years. I hope to get to know all of you well. Laurel and Stockard _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04 %40gmail.co m _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stocka rd%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g mail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Apr 23 21:24:16 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 17:24:16 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] College Message-ID: <4f95c8b0.c8bde00a.3951.ffffea23@mx.google.com> If possible, maybe Lanie can keep the Brailler and get her books electronically. If she can get the books electronically, I think the Brailler would be more necessary to carry than the even heavier Braille books. Chris Nusbaum "For we walk by faith, not by sight." 2 Corinthians 5:7 Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Joshua, You really could rephrase that as, "If possible, you could leave the Brailler." As has been stated, this does not seem to be an option. What works for you does not work for everyone. I know from experience that it is necessary to have a Brailler for certain types of math. Nicole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" wrote: Hi all. I was wondering if anyone could give me advice on this. I'm taking Calculus 2 in college and have to carry around several Braille volumes so that I can keep up, a Brailler, my BrailleNote, Braille paper, and an APH Graphing Aid for Mathematics, all in a huge rolling bag. I have reason to think that all this is messing up my back. I don't know how to lighten the load, but I can't keep carrxing it. I've already talked with the Office for Students with Disabilities coordinator, but they don't have any Braillers. How do any others on this list who are taking classes with huge Braille books and other things like this do it? Do you use a large bag like I do? Any advice here would be great! Thanks. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40 wavecable.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Apr 23 21:24:08 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 17:24:08 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Attempting to locate a book Message-ID: <4f95c8a8.c8bde00a.3951.ffffea17@mx.google.com> Just=20a=20clarification:=20your=20school=20doesn't=20need=20to=20find=20it= =20in=20 eBook=20format=20if=20you=20plan=20to=20read=20it=20on=20Blio;=20you=20coul= d=20just=20look=20 in=20the=20Blio=20bookstore.=20=20I=20don't=20think=20they=20do=20textbooks= ,=20though. Chris=20Nusbaum "For=20we=20walk=20by=20faith,=20not=20by=20sight." 2=20Corinthians=205:7 Sent=20from=20my=20BrailleNote =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20Joshua=20Lester=20=20wrote: =20Good=20evening=20list, =20Would=20anyone=20have=20access=20to=20the=20following=20book: =20I=92ve=20tried=20to=20locate=20it=20on=20Bookshare=20and=20Learning=20Al= ly=20with=20no=20 success. =20Thanks=20for=20any=20assistance. =20the=20dialectical=20behavior=20therapy=20skills=20workbook =20Anjelina =20_______________________________________________ =20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info=20for =20nabs-l: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco= unt=20info=20 for=20nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Mon Apr 23 22:10:52 2012 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 15:10:52 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] citing APA style In-Reply-To: <9ABE6B0F31414ED28C789579CA4FDAB0@OwnerPC> References: <9ABE6B0F31414ED28C789579CA4FDAB0@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <3DD3F10AF6B3456395B652C521F61D3C@HUMBERTOAVILA> Hello Ashley, If you want you can download this book from www.bookshare.org. The book is called: "A Pocket Style Manual, 5th edition, 2009 MLA updates and 2010 APA updates by Diana Hacker." I used this book last quarter in my English class and sounds pretty good about explaining APA style and formatting. So if you have some time you can download, otherwise, just research on the internet to find how you do that. There is also a web site whose URL is http://www.EasyBib.com/, which will do any kind of citation you want for you, but you might not want to stick with it all the time as you may be caught cheating or "addicted" to it and making you not learn the citation format yourself. Just check it out, like if you want to know how you can cite in APA style and look at a sample. Also, talk to your instructor. If you are in an English class higher up, like let's say, English 201, the instructor will look at you weird when you ask him, assuming that you would know already how to cite, however if you are like in English 101, you can ask him or her with more confidence knowing that he or she can help you. Cheers, Humberto -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 12:44 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] citing APA style Hi all, I'm struggling with the citation style as usual. Jaws doesn't tell me the formatting of the words and I went word by word to hear punctuation in the sample reference entry I looked up. I do have to alphabetize them, right? I know you do in MLA. How Do I format the Journal title and title of article? Do I put italics or anything on it? Before there were quotes around the title of article, but when I looked online now, there are none. How do I site the volume number and issue? The sample says number and a parenthese number. I'm confused. I know I site the page number range after this. Like do I write Journal of Adolescent psychology, 3 (24) and the 3 is volume number and 24 is issue number? Thanks. Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g mail.com From aubielynn at gmail.com Mon Apr 23 22:26:12 2012 From: aubielynn at gmail.com (Aubrie Lucas) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 14:26:12 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] citing APA style In-Reply-To: <9ABE6B0F31414ED28C789579CA4FDAB0@OwnerPC> References: <9ABE6B0F31414ED28C789579CA4FDAB0@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <003501cd21a0$193cee80$4bb6cb80$@com> To get JAWS to tell you the formatting, you can use Insert F. It tells you the color, font, and whether or not something is bolded or italicized. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 11:44 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] citing APA style Hi all, I’m struggling with the citation style as usual. Jaws doesn’t tell me the formatting of the words and I went word by word to hear punctuation in the sample reference entry I looked up. I do have to alphabetize them, right? I know you do in MLA. How Do I format the Journal title and title of article? Do I put italics or anything on it? Before there were quotes around the title of article, but when I looked online now, there are none. How do I site the volume number and issue? The sample says number and a parenthese number. I’m confused. I know I site the page number range after this. Like do I write Journal of Adolescent psychology, 3 (24) and the 3 is volume number and 24 is issue number? Thanks. Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aubielynn%40gmail.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Mon Apr 23 22:28:43 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 16:28:43 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] citing APA style In-Reply-To: <3DD3F10AF6B3456395B652C521F61D3C@HUMBERTOAVILA> References: <9ABE6B0F31414ED28C789579CA4FDAB0@OwnerPC> <3DD3F10AF6B3456395B652C521F61D3C@HUMBERTOAVILA> Message-ID: Hi Ashley, Do the following: 1. Write the authors' names, last name and then first initials for each author, i.e. "Sherman, D. & Cohen, G." Use an ampersand rather than the word "and". 2. Put the publication year in parentheses with a period after it. 3. Write the article title in plain format (no quotes or italics) and only capitalize the first word of the title and the first word after the colon if there is a colon in the middle of the title. Put a period after the article title. 4. Write the journal title in italics and follow it with a comma. 5. Write the volume number in italics, then put either a colon or parentheses (but no space) after the volume number and put the issue number in regular font (no italics). 6. Put the page numbers last, in regular font and follow with a period. Hope this helps, Arielle On 4/23/12, Humberto Avila wrote: > Hello Ashley, > > If you want you can download this book from www.bookshare.org. The book is > called: "A Pocket Style Manual, 5th edition, 2009 MLA updates and 2010 APA > updates by Diana Hacker." I used this book last quarter in my English class > and sounds pretty good about explaining APA style and formatting. So if you > have some time you can download, otherwise, just research on the internet to > find how you do that. There is also a web site whose URL is > http://www.EasyBib.com/, which will do any kind of citation you want for > you, but you might not want to stick with it all the time as you may be > caught cheating or "addicted" to it and making you not learn the citation > format yourself. Just check it out, like if you want to know how you can > cite in APA style and look at a sample. > > Also, talk to your instructor. If you are in an English class higher up, > like let's say, English 201, the instructor will look at you weird when you > ask him, assuming that you would know already how to cite, however if you > are like in English 101, you can ask him or her with more confidence knowing > that he or she can help you. > > Cheers, > Humberto > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Ashley Bramlett > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 12:44 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] citing APA style > > Hi all, > > I'm struggling with the citation style as usual. Jaws doesn't tell me the > formatting of the words and I went word by word to hear punctuation in the > sample reference entry I looked up. I do have to alphabetize them, right? I > know you do in MLA. > > How Do I format the Journal title and title of article? Do I put italics or > anything on it? Before there were quotes around the title of article, but > when I looked online now, there are none. > How do I site the volume number and issue? The sample says number and a > parenthese number. I'm confused. I know I site the page number range after > this. Like do I write Journal of Adolescent psychology, 3 (24) and the 3 is > volume number and 24 is issue number? > > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Mon Apr 23 22:31:45 2012 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 15:31:45 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] citing APA style In-Reply-To: References: <9ABE6B0F31414ED28C789579CA4FDAB0@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <02947F1A81D845309A638A6B065C729E@HUMBERTOAVILA> Hello Ashley and all. I'm not trying to criticize your screen reader usage. But can't you use your screen reader's specific commands to read font information and the like? Isn't there a way to tell colors and at least attempt to format them yourselves? I know I can do that with JAWS. The command for telling me the font information using JAWS is insert+F, and the command to tell me what color I am working with is insert+5, 5 meaning the number row on the keyboard. I'm not sure you can do that in NVDA, but there are also settings in NVDA that allow you to describe the font or text attributes. In the settings center (for jaws 12 and over) / configuration manager (jaws 11 and under), there are settings that tell JAWS how to do all sorts of things. Like there is a dialog box called the "speech and sounds scheme" where you can specify what you want JAWS to speak. In NVDA, you can go to the NVDA preferences menu and choose the "document formatting" dialog box in which you can specify the settings that you want, like what attributes you want NVDA to speak to you. My point is, yes you can request a reader, but don't just request a reader for these things that a screen reader can do for you. It might take you just a few seconds of your homework / study / testing time when you hear that extra information coming out of your speakers or headphones and deciphering into your brain for reading, but it is feasible. Besides some of you crank that voice rate on your screen readers pretty high. At least for me. I don't' want to rely so much on a reader just to tell me, "hey this text is displaying in italics, red, and underlined." while my screen reader can be my own reader for that. Isn't why such software is called "screen reader"? Because it reads to you. [smile!] Hope this helps you, and I am sorry if I'm starting a hot debate in here about using real readers Vs. JAWS for editing font attributes. Cheers, Humberto -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 1:28 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style gee, Josh, lots of people hate formatting. Its just a little harder for us since we cannot see it so someone has to tell us. It used to be that you put the article in quotes and underlined book or chapter titles.From what I can see so far, this is no longer the case. You start it the same though. Just do not put quotes or underlines; its still author's name, date in parenthesis, title of article or book, title of journal. then not sure. I'll ask someone sighted yeah, but I need to learn. I can certainly bold or italic something if I know what need to be bolded/italiacized. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 3:52 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style I've always hated APA format! It's very confusing! My Freshmen English instructor made us use it, so I had a sighted work-study help me format it. I'd recommend this, as well. Blessings, Joshua On 4/23/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm struggling with the citation style as usual. Jaws doesn't tell me the > formatting of the words and I went word by word to hear punctuation in the > sample reference entry I looked up. I do have to alphabetize them, right? > I > know you do in MLA. > > How Do I format the Journal title and title of article? Do I put italics > or > anything on it? Before there were quotes around the title of article, but > when I looked online now, there are none. > How do I site the volume number and issue? The sample says number and a > parenthese number. I'm confused. I know I site the page number range after > this. Like do I write Journal of Adolescent psychology, 3 (24) and the 3 > is > volume number and 24 is issue number? > > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p ccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g mail.com From gpaikens at gmail.com Mon Apr 23 22:36:32 2012 From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 17:36:32 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] citing APA style In-Reply-To: <9ABE6B0F31414ED28C789579CA4FDAB0@OwnerPC> References: <9ABE6B0F31414ED28C789579CA4FDAB0@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <31103B0D-19BD-48E6-9662-DBADC820C013@gmail.com> Hi Ashley, Sometimes the screen reader reporting changes in font on the internet is unreliable. You are correct that you alphabetize entries by the last name of the first author for each work. I will paste a sample journal entry with correct formatting and will then include a description in case the format doesn't survive through email. Wright, T., Wormsley, D. P., & Kamei-Hannan, C. (2009). Hand movements and braille reading efficiency: Data from the Alphabetic Braille and Contracted Braille Study. Journal of Visual Impairment and Blindness, 103, 649-661. Also, according to the latest version of APA, you technically don't need the issue numbers in your citations, but if you want to include them, here is a second example: Ryles, R., & Bell, E. (2009). Participation of parents in the early exploration of tactile graphics by children who are visually impaired. Journal of Visual Impairment & Blindness, 103(10), 625-634. Now for a description. • The citation starts with the author(s) names, last comma first and middle initials. Note that the & symbol and not the word and is used before the name of the last author. • Next is the year of publication, surrounded by parentheses with a period after the closing parenthesis. • Next comes the title of the article, no quotation marks or italics, just plain text. The title should be followed by a period. • Next is the title of the journal, which is in italics. • The journal title is followed by the volume number, which is also in italics. The issue number (optional) comes next and is in parentheses. The parentheses and issue number are not in italics. • Immediately after the volume/issue is a comma and a space, followed by the page numbers for the article. Page numbers are also in plain text and followed by a period. I hope this was helpful. I know how much of a pain this stuff can be. It took me a few months to get it all ironed out after switching from the Turabian citation style. Best of luck. -Greg On Apr 23, 2012, at 2:44 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi all, > > I’m struggling with the citation style as usual. Jaws doesn’t tell me the formatting of the words and I went word by word to hear punctuation in the sample reference entry I looked up. I do have to alphabetize them, right? I know you do in MLA. > > How Do I format the Journal title and title of article? Do I put italics or anything on it? Before there were quotes around the title of article, but when I looked online now, there are none. > How do I site the volume number and issue? The sample says number and a parenthese number. I’m confused. I know I site the page number range after this. Like do I write Journal of Adolescent psychology, 3 (24) and the 3 is volume number and 24 is issue number? > > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com Mon Apr 23 22:37:11 2012 From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 18:37:11 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] citing APA style In-Reply-To: References: <9ABE6B0F31414ED28C789579CA4FDAB0@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hi Ashley, I understand that formatting citations can be a little annoying at first, but after you learn the conventions you should be able to format all your APA references independently. I'm not sure if you know this already, but you can get JAWS to read you the formatting of any selected section of the text by pressing Insert plus f. To answer your specific questions, the journal title and volume number need to be italicized, and issue number should come in parentheses after the volume number. Also note that you should apply a hanging indent to your reference list-- In other words, the second and subsequent lines of each reference should be indented from the left margin by the width of a tab. Hope this helps and feel free to let me know if you have any other questions about APA style-- I'm a Psychology graduate student and have been doing this for a while. Katie On 4/23/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > gee, Josh, lots of people hate formatting. Its just a little harder for us > since we cannot see it so someone has to tell us. > It used to be that you put the article in quotes and underlined book or > chapter titles.From what I can see so far, this is no longer the case. > You start it the same though. Just do not put quotes or underlines; its > still author's name, date in parenthesis, title of article or book, title of > > journal. then not sure. > > I'll ask someone sighted yeah, but I need to learn. I can certainly bold or > > italic something if I know what need to be bolded/italiacized. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 3:52 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style > > I've always hated APA format! > It's very confusing! > My Freshmen English instructor made us use it, so I had a sighted > work-study help me format it. > I'd recommend this, as well. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 4/23/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I’m struggling with the citation style as usual. Jaws doesn’t tell me the >> formatting of the words and I went word by word to hear punctuation in >> the >> sample reference entry I looked up. I do have to alphabetize them, right? >> >> I >> know you do in MLA. >> >> How Do I format the Journal title and title of article? Do I put italics >> or >> anything on it? Before there were quotes around the title of article, but >> when I looked online now, there are none. >> How do I site the volume number and issue? The sample says number and a >> parenthese number. I’m confused. I know I site the page number range >> after >> this. Like do I write Journal of Adolescent psychology, 3 (24) and the 3 >> is >> volume number and 24 is issue number? >> >> Thanks. >> Ashley >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Apr 24 00:09:17 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:09:17 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Slowness of Notetakers was Re: College In-Reply-To: <4f95c8b6.c8bde00a.3951.ffffea27@mx.google.com> References: <4f95c8b6.c8bde00a.3951.ffffea27@mx.google.com> Message-ID: It was a Classic. Blessings, Joshua On 4/23/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > That's why it was slow, then; it was probably an mPower. I have > never had the problem you describe on my Apex, although I did on > my mPower. If you can afford an Apex or can get funding from > rehab or another nonprofit (the Lions Club, for example,) I think > it is a good investment. I don't have a lot of hands-on > experience with the PacMate, although I did play around with one > a little at the Braille Challenge conpetition in Los Angeles and > have heard some podcast demos of it, and I think the BrailleNote > is generally easier to navigate than the PacMate. That's just my > personal opinion; if you are comfortable with the PacMate's > layout and like it better than the BrailleNote, don't let me > discourage you! > > Chris Nusbaum > > "For we walk by faith, not by sight." > 2 Corinthians 5:7 > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > sent: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 12:14:29 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Slowness of Notetakers was Re: College > > I've experemented with a Braille Note, (one of the older models,) > at > the 2010 convention. > It took a few seconds, for what I was Brailling, to show up on > the > Braille display. > I haven't ever had that problem, with the Pac Mate, I used in > High School. > I'd say, the slowness, depends on the model. > I'm interested in the Apex! > Blessings, Joshua > > On 4/20/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home > wrote: > Please define what you mean by slow. Have you used a > BrailleNote? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 9:51 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College > > > Braille Textbooks are needed for most Math. > The Pac Mate isn't as slow, as the BN, though. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 4/20/12, Lanie wrote: > I'm not sure. I may be there, but I don't really know yet. > I'll > let you know if I will be. Thanks for the offer. I've tried to > work the math on the BrailleNote, but even though you can do it, > it's extremely slow and not good for taking notes. As for > getting my book electronically, I would if I could find it and > if > it's readable. Most math isn't readable with a screen reader. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 09:24:15 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College > > I'm just concerned, because she mentioned her back being > affected > by > this constant use of the rolling backpack, with that heavy > Brailler in > it. > That Brailler is extremely heavy, plus with a backpack, with > huge > Braille books, it will hurt your back, because I had similar > problems! > For my Math classes, to alleviate the problem, in high school, I > was > fortunate, to have a Brailler, in every classroom, (thanks to my > VR > Counselors,) (this was when they were cooperating.) > I have an old Perkins, that I'm willing to get rid of, by the > Fall, of > this year, because I won't need it again. > Lanie, will you be at convention, this year? > Also, I'm still hoping, that David can market that new > lightweight > Brailler, that he showed me, 2 years ago. > Thanks, Joshua > > On 4/20/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home > wrote: > Joshua, > > You really could rephrase that as, "If possible, you could > leave the > Brailler." As has been stated, this does not seem to be an > option. What > works for you does not work for everyone. I know from > experience that it is > necessary to have a Brailler for certain types of math. > > Nicole > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 4:29 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College > > > Just use the Braille note. > Leave the Brailler alone. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 4/20/12, Lanie wrote: > Hi all. I was wondering if anyone could give me advice on > this. > I'm taking Calculus 2 in college and have to carry around > several > Braille volumes so that I can keep up, a Brailler, my > BrailleNote, Braille paper, and an APH Graphing Aid for > Mathematics, all in a huge rolling bag. I have reason to think > that all this is messing up my back. I don't know how to > lighten > the load, but I can't keep carrxing it. I've already talked > with > the Office for Students with Disabilities coordinator, but they > don't have any Braillers. How do any others on this list who > are > taking classes with huge Braille books and other things like > this > do it? Do you use a large bag like I do? Any advice here would > be > great! Thanks. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40 > wavecable.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/readtobuild%4 > 0gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40 > wavecable.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue Apr 24 01:07:36 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 21:07:36 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] citing APA style In-Reply-To: <02947F1A81D845309A638A6B065C729E@HUMBERTOAVILA> References: <9ABE6B0F31414ED28C789579CA4FDAB0@OwnerPC> <02947F1A81D845309A638A6B065C729E@HUMBERTOAVILA> Message-ID: <1A402974157848EBB70434427163D1AB@OwnerPC> Humberto, Jaws hase limitations where as a sighted person reads the whole liine and knows that say Sociology is italicized and Smith is not. You do not get this info unles you look for it and I don't always know where to look for it. Insert f is limiting because it tells you info relevant to that word only. I need to know where periods, commas, italics, etc are within the whole line in this case. The way to learn is to have it explained or see it brailled; braille is not an option in college; no braille reference book, so I have to learn by someone telling me. Also, I think I get it based on good explanations here; but having someone look over this stuff is not a bad idea, time permitting. After all, that is what tutoring is for in college. Most schools offer this. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Humberto Avila Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 6:31 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style Hello Ashley and all. I'm not trying to criticize your screen reader usage. But can't you use your screen reader's specific commands to read font information and the like? Isn't there a way to tell colors and at least attempt to format them yourselves? I know I can do that with JAWS. The command for telling me the font information using JAWS is insert+F, and the command to tell me what color I am working with is insert+5, 5 meaning the number row on the keyboard. I'm not sure you can do that in NVDA, but there are also settings in NVDA that allow you to describe the font or text attributes. In the settings center (for jaws 12 and over) / configuration manager (jaws 11 and under), there are settings that tell JAWS how to do all sorts of things. Like there is a dialog box called the "speech and sounds scheme" where you can specify what you want JAWS to speak. In NVDA, you can go to the NVDA preferences menu and choose the "document formatting" dialog box in which you can specify the settings that you want, like what attributes you want NVDA to speak to you. My point is, yes you can request a reader, but don't just request a reader for these things that a screen reader can do for you. It might take you just a few seconds of your homework / study / testing time when you hear that extra information coming out of your speakers or headphones and deciphering into your brain for reading, but it is feasible. Besides some of you crank that voice rate on your screen readers pretty high. At least for me. I don't' want to rely so much on a reader just to tell me, "hey this text is displaying in italics, red, and underlined." while my screen reader can be my own reader for that. Isn't why such software is called "screen reader"? Because it reads to you. [smile!] Hope this helps you, and I am sorry if I'm starting a hot debate in here about using real readers Vs. JAWS for editing font attributes. Cheers, Humberto -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 1:28 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style gee, Josh, lots of people hate formatting. Its just a little harder for us since we cannot see it so someone has to tell us. It used to be that you put the article in quotes and underlined book or chapter titles.From what I can see so far, this is no longer the case. You start it the same though. Just do not put quotes or underlines; its still author's name, date in parenthesis, title of article or book, title of journal. then not sure. I'll ask someone sighted yeah, but I need to learn. I can certainly bold or italic something if I know what need to be bolded/italiacized. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 3:52 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style I've always hated APA format! It's very confusing! My Freshmen English instructor made us use it, so I had a sighted work-study help me format it. I'd recommend this, as well. Blessings, Joshua On 4/23/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm struggling with the citation style as usual. Jaws doesn't tell me the > formatting of the words and I went word by word to hear punctuation in the > sample reference entry I looked up. I do have to alphabetize them, right? > I > know you do in MLA. > > How Do I format the Journal title and title of article? Do I put italics > or > anything on it? Before there were quotes around the title of article, but > when I looked online now, there are none. > How do I site the volume number and issue? The sample says number and a > parenthese number. I'm confused. I know I site the page number range after > this. Like do I write Journal of Adolescent psychology, 3 (24) and the 3 > is > volume number and 24 is issue number? > > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p ccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g mail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Apr 24 01:13:49 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 20:13:49 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] citing APA style In-Reply-To: <1A402974157848EBB70434427163D1AB@OwnerPC> References: <9ABE6B0F31414ED28C789579CA4FDAB0@OwnerPC> <02947F1A81D845309A638A6B065C729E@HUMBERTOAVILA> <1A402974157848EBB70434427163D1AB@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hi, Ashley. In the future, if you want Braille, because your college may make you use APA, more offten, you can get your books Brailled, through this resource. http://www.mbvol.org I'm going to keep promoting them, because they're going to Braille my books, this Fall! Blessings, Joshua On 4/23/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Humberto, > Jaws hase limitations where as a sighted person reads the whole liine and > knows that say Sociology is italicized and Smith is not. > You do not get this info unles you look for it and I don't always know where > to look for it. Insert f is limiting because it tells you info relevant to > that word only. I need to know where periods, commas, italics, etc are > within the whole line in this case. The way to learn is to have it explained > or see it brailled; braille is not an option in college; no braille > reference book, so I have to learn by someone telling me. > > Also, I think I get it based on good explanations here; but having someone > look over this stuff is not a bad idea, time permitting. After all, that is > what tutoring is for in college. Most schools offer this. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Humberto Avila > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 6:31 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style > > Hello Ashley and all. > > I'm not trying to criticize your screen reader usage. But can't you use your > screen reader's specific commands to read font information and the like? > Isn't there a way to tell colors and at least attempt to format them > yourselves? I know I can do that with JAWS. The command for telling me the > font information using JAWS is insert+F, and the command to tell me what > color I am working with is insert+5, 5 meaning the number row on the > keyboard. I'm not sure you can do that in NVDA, but there are also settings > in NVDA that allow you to describe the font or text attributes. > In the settings center (for jaws 12 and over) / configuration manager (jaws > 11 and under), there are settings that tell JAWS how to do all sorts of > things. Like there is a dialog box called the "speech and sounds scheme" > where you can specify what you want JAWS to speak. In NVDA, you can go to > the NVDA preferences menu and choose the "document formatting" dialog box in > which you can specify the settings that you want, like what attributes you > want NVDA to speak to you. My point is, yes you can request a reader, but > don't just request a reader for these things that a screen reader can do for > you. It might take you just a few seconds of your homework / study / testing > time when you hear that extra information coming out of your speakers or > headphones and deciphering into your brain for reading, but it is feasible. > Besides some of you crank that voice rate on your screen readers pretty > high. At least for me. I don't' want to rely so much on a reader just to > tell me, "hey this text is displaying in italics, red, and underlined." > while my screen reader can be my own reader for that. Isn't why such > software is called "screen reader"? Because it reads to you. [smile!] > > Hope this helps you, and I am sorry if I'm starting a hot debate in here > about using real readers Vs. JAWS for editing font attributes. > > Cheers, > Humberto > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Ashley Bramlett > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 1:28 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style > > gee, Josh, lots of people hate formatting. Its just a little harder for us > since we cannot see it so someone has to tell us. > It used to be that you put the article in quotes and underlined book or > chapter titles.From what I can see so far, this is no longer the case. > You start it the same though. Just do not put quotes or underlines; its > still author's name, date in parenthesis, title of article or book, title of > > journal. then not sure. > > I'll ask someone sighted yeah, but I need to learn. I can certainly bold or > italic something if I know what need to be bolded/italiacized. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 3:52 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style > > I've always hated APA format! > It's very confusing! > My Freshmen English instructor made us use it, so I had a sighted > work-study help me format it. > I'd recommend this, as well. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 4/23/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I'm struggling with the citation style as usual. Jaws doesn't tell me the >> formatting of the words and I went word by word to hear punctuation in the >> sample reference entry I looked up. I do have to alphabetize them, right? > >> I >> know you do in MLA. >> >> How Do I format the Journal title and title of article? Do I put italics >> or >> anything on it? Before there were quotes around the title of article, but >> when I looked online now, there are none. >> How do I site the volume number and issue? The sample says number and a >> parenthese number. I'm confused. I know I site the page number range after >> this. Like do I write Journal of Adolescent psychology, 3 (24) and the 3 >> is >> volume number and 24 is issue number? >> >> Thanks. >> Ashley >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p > ccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. > net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From dandrews at visi.com Tue Apr 24 01:33:12 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 20:33:12 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] questions about a mac book pro In-Reply-To: References: <1AE4C7F2-F123-43D9-B117-43C36A7AE018@me.com> <2EB2B236-F2A8-40AF-80D3-58660A6C4A85@gmail.com> Message-ID: You either need to run Boot Camp, and install Windows, or install a Virtual Machine like VMWare's Fusion, and install Windows. The Mac can not natively, or directly run Windows programs. Dave At 10:27 AM 4/23/2012, you wrote: >Hi all, >I hope you all don't mind, but I have yet another question. Can I run >any windows based programs on my mac without boot camp? For example, >my Kurzweil program I have Kurzweil 1000 for windows, can I find a way >to still run that on my mac? Or do you hafta have boot camp, and or >windows for mac, in order to run your windows based programs. >Sorry, I know this might seem like a dumb question, but I'm just >trying to make sure I understand all the ins and outs of a mac. >/smiles/ >Laurel and Stockard > >On 4/23/12, Bill wrote: > > Also remember you must purchase a license if you are going to legally > > bootcamp with windows. They are somewhere between 120 and 250 I think > > depending on which version you buy and if you buy an OEM or student > > license. > > Bill > > > > > > > >> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 5:04 AM, Jorge Paez > >> wrote: > >>>>> Laurel: > >>> The only thing I would add to this is be careful with certain windows and > >>> Bootcamp versions, for example, I had a huge problem installing Windows > >>> XP on my Macbook Pro. > >>> It worked, but there was a really annoying volume issue which I never > >>> figured out. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Apr 23, 2012, at 12:31 AM, Ignasi Cambra Díaz wrote: > >>> > >>>> Bootcamp comes with your Mac, but Windows doesn't. Setting up a bootcamp > >>>> partition takes just a couple of minutes, but unless you have an > >>>> automated Windows installation dvd you won't be able to install Windows > >>>> independently. That's one of the things I love about Mac OS X, I can do > >>>> everything by myself. > >>>> On Apr 22, 2012, at 10:40 PM, Laurel wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Cindy, > >>>>> What is boot camp, and how can I get it? Does it automatically come or > >>>>> do I have to buy it, and if I have to buy it, how much does it cost? > >>>>> I know I'm asking alot of general broad questions, but I appreciate > >>>>> you all helping me out. > >>>>> Laurel and Stockard > >>>>> > >>>>> P.S. > >>>>> I am a foreign language major and will be doing alot of interpreting > >>>>> and translating. One of the reasons I love vo is it's good support for > >>>>> alot of languages, where I don't hafta download extra voices or buy > >>>>> extra languages. > >>>>> Thanks > >>>>> > >>>>> On 4/20/12, Cindy Bennett wrote: > >>>>>> Laurel: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I think that Bryan gave you a lot of good information. I can enlighten > >>>>>> you on the switch though. I have a MacBook pro and I split it with > >>>>>> bootcamp, and I use the PC side of my computer way more. Like > >>>>>> anything, if I had started with Macs, I think that I would have > >>>>>> trouble switching to a PC, and I think that is the main reason I > >>>>>> haven't switched. Because of the MS Word problems Bryan talked about, > >>>>>> I will never fully switch, because I plan to go back to school, and > >>>>>> unless you are majoring in something in the arts or graphic design, > >>>>>> you absolutely have to have access to the Microsoft Suite while in > >>>>>> school. I love VoiceOver though. You'll pick up the track pad quickly > >>>>>> because of using an iPhone, and it is amazing. There are a lot of 3 > >>>>>> and 4 key combinations. Basically, if I could mix the advantages of > >>>>>> PC's and Macs when it comes to accessibility, I would. i like and > >>>>>> dislike them both for different reasons. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> One thing to know about VoiceOver is that it gives you an idea of the > >>>>>> layout of pages much better than screen readers on PC's. While it's > >>>>>> great to know that, I have found that it sometimes slows me down when > >>>>>> I just need to navigate to one specific thing. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I love Textedit. Numbers is pretty similar to Excel, but you'll have > >>>>>> to get used to the fact that Macs are more artsy and eye appealing. > >>>>>> Programs are going to automatically look nice. While this takes some > >>>>>> pressure off of a blind person when it comes to printing spreadsheets > >>>>>> without graphs on top of them, they are sometimes cumbersome to > >>>>>> navigate. I found the same thing in Keynote. In some ways, it is much > >>>>>> more accessible than JAWS and PowerPoint, but again, you can insert a > >>>>>> picture and you won't be able to get feedback about whether you put it > >>>>>> in the right place, and text boxes aren't very navigacable especially > >>>>>> when you arrange multiple columns. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> In any case, if you are curious, and if you learn more and really want > >>>>>> to switch, just know that you can always split your Mac with Bootcamp. > >>>>>> Even though I do use Windows too much, I think that Apple products are > >>>>>> made better, and the warrantee is great. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I also second getting the refirbished products. I got a 13-inch pro > >>>>>> with 3 years of Apple care for $50 less than the New 13-inch pro with > >>>>>> only the standard 1 year warrantee. I got the 3 years of Apple care, > >>>>>> because it was my first time buying a refirbished Apple product, so I > >>>>>> wanted to be safe, and Apple care is much more inclusive than the > >>>>>> regular warrantee. There are basically no questions asked if something > >>>>>> happens to your product. I do disagree about the air though. Your > >>>>>> decision should be made on what you need to do with your computer, but > >>>>>> the Pro has more memory, and is not much bigger. It also has more > >>>>>> ports to plug things in and an SD card slot which is great if you take > >>>>>> a lot of pictures. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Good luck in your decision, and I hope I was able to provide some good > >>>>>> information for you. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Cindy > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 4/20/12, Bryan Jones wrote: > >>>>>>> Hello Laurel, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> My perspective is as someone who has never used a Windows screen > >>>>>>> reader, > >>>>>>> so > >>>>>>> I can't offer much in terms of comparing VoiceOver to Jaws or > >>>>>>> Window-Eyes > >>>>>>> or > >>>>>>> NVDA, but I can provide a bit of input to a few of your other > >>>>>>> questions. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> 1. Macbook Pro vs iMac. > >>>>>>> I've used a variety of Mac desktops and laptops in the past 5 or 6 > >>>>>>> years > >>>>>>> and > >>>>>>> my personal favorite is the current 11 inch Macbook Air. Portability > >>>>>>> is a > >>>>>>> high priority for me, and the Air also offers good performance and a > >>>>>>> decent, > >>>>>>> though notperfect, keyboard. If you are set on choosing between an > >>>>>>> MBP > >>>>>>> and > >>>>>>> an iMac, you might consider waiting another month or two as rumor has > >>>>>>> it > >>>>>>> Apple will soon be introducing updated versions of the MBP. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> 3, Kurzweil / OCR options. > >>>>>>> I use Abbyy FineReader Express for OCR. It's been able to handle most > >>>>>>> of > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>> jobs I've thrown at it, including PDF conversions and multi-language > >>>>>>> documents. Again, I've never used Kurzweil, so can't offer a > >>>>>>> comparison. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> 4, anything else. > >>>>>>>> 4a. MS Office for Mac is not accessible using VO. In fact, if you > >>>>>>>> expect > >>>>>>>> to be editing or creating documents that include tables and several > >>>>>>>> other > >>>>>>>> key elements, there is currently no word processor that smoothly > >>>>>>>> allows > >>>>>>>> VO > >>>>>>>> access to these functions. Pages and Nissus Writer are close and > >>>>>>>> getting > >>>>>>>> better, but are not there yet. That said, if you do not expect to be > >>>>>>>> working with complex documents, you might be OK just using the > >>>>>>>> Mac's > >>>>>>>> very > >>>>>>>> good built-in word processor called Textedit. It opens Word > >>>>>>>> documents > >>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>> can save in a variety of formats. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 4b. Web browser options are still limited on the Mac. Safari and it's > >>>>>>> cousins Webkit and Chrome work OK with VO, but FIrefox and Opera > >>>>>>> aren't > >>>>>>> there yet and there is no version of IE on the Mac. > >>>>>>> 4c. Generally, when folks ask me if I think they should switch to a > >>>>>>> Mac, > >>>>>>> my > >>>>>>> answer is "No, unless you really have a desire to learn something > >>>>>>> different > >>>>>>> or you just want a new toy." For most Users and functions, the Mac OS > >>>>>>> is > >>>>>>> no > >>>>>>> better than Windows. You'll still crash sometimes, you'll still be > >>>>>>> vulnerable to malware and other security threats, and you'll find > >>>>>>> plenty > >>>>>>> of > >>>>>>> hardware and software that does not play well with VO. > >>>>>>> Plus if you've already invested in an expensive windows screen > >>>>>>> reader, > >>>>>>> and > >>>>>>> expensive Windows office suite, and if they're working OK for you, > >>>>>>> you'll > >>>>>>> lose that investment when moving too the Mac unless you decide to go > >>>>>>> through > >>>>>>> the hassle of installing Windows on your Mac. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> More than anything else, I strongly suggest spending time in an Apple > >>>>>>> Store, > >>>>>>> Best Buy or other place where you can get your hands on the Macs and > >>>>>>> spend > >>>>>>> a > >>>>>>> bit of time trying them out. If you want to actively learn how to use > >>>>>>> VO > >>>>>>> while sitting in front of any current Mac, you can turn on VO by > >>>>>>> pressing > >>>>>>> Command+F5. The Command key is the key immediately to the left of the > >>>>>>> spacebar, and the F5 key is the sixth key from the left in the top > >>>>>>> row > >>>>>>> (the > >>>>>>> first key being the escape key). When you press Command+F5, you > >>>>>>> should > >>>>>>> hear > >>>>>>> the announcement, "VoiceOver On." Once VoiceOver is running, you can > >>>>>>> access > >>>>>>> a quick VoiceOver tutorial by pressing and holding the three keys > >>>>>>> located > >>>>>>> immediately to the left of the Spacebar and then pressing the F8 key, > >>>>>>> which > >>>>>>> is the ninth key from the left in the top row. You should hear > >>>>>>> VoiceOver > >>>>>>> announce, "VoiceOver Quick Start." The quick start tutorial will > >>>>>>> introduce > >>>>>>> you to the "VO" keys and will point you in the right direction for > >>>>>>> learning > >>>>>>> more about the Mac and VO. Consider bringing a pair of headphones or > >>>>>>> earbuds > >>>>>>> when you try this out. It can get pretty noisy in an Apple store. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> If you haven't already joined, there are a number of active email > >>>>>>> lists > >>>>>>> and > >>>>>>> forums for blind and low-vision Mac Users. A quick google will turn > >>>>>>> up a > >>>>>>> list of them. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> One last note: I personally think the best way to purchase a Mac is > >>>>>>> through > >>>>>>> Apple's own refurb store, which can be found from their main shopping > >>>>>>> site > >>>>>>> at store dot apple dot com. Macs purchased there usually cost a > >>>>>>> couple > >>>>>>> hundred dollars less, come with the exact same 1 year warranty as new > >>>>>>> Macs > >>>>>>> and can be covered under the same extended Applecare warranty plans. > >>>>>>> The > >>>>>>> only Macs I've had to take in for service were ones I purchased new. > >>>>>>> My > >>>>>>> refurbs have never needed service. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> HTH, > >>>>>>> Bryan > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Apr 20, 2012, at 10:29 AM, Laurel wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Hi all, > >>>>>>>> I have to confess, I haven't been watching the recent thread where > >>>>>>>> people were talking about mac vs. pc. I wanted to buy a mac but I > >>>>>>>> didn't have the money so I was putting it off. This week I got some > >>>>>>>> very unexpected money from somewhere (I don't wanna go into all the > >>>>>>>> details) but I have enough to buy a mac. I plan to do so but I > >>>>>>>> wanted > >>>>>>>> to ask some questions about the mac that maybe some of y'all could > >>>>>>>> answer for me. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> 1. Do you all prefer the Mac Book Pro (lap top) or the iMac (desk > >>>>>>>> top). > >>>>>>>> 2, those of you who use JAWS and switched to voice over on the mac, > >>>>>>>> how hard/easy was the switch? I already use voice over on the > >>>>>>>> iPad/iPhone but I'm not used to it on the mac yet. > >>>>>>>> 3, Do any of you use Kurzweil for scanning? I have Kurzweil 1000 for > >>>>>>>> windows, and I don't know what to do for my scanning program on a > >>>>>>>> mac. > >>>>>>>> Should I use my Kurzweil, I know you can use mac to run programs > >>>>>>>> that > >>>>>>>> run on windows, or should I switch to another program. What other > >>>>>>>> scanning programs out there work well with voice over? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> 4, is there anything else, accessibility related as far as softwear > >>>>>>>> goes, that I should know before I make the switch? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I plan on keeping my pc at least for the summer so I can slowly > >>>>>>>> switch > >>>>>>>> over and have time to get used to a mac. I know this is a long > >>>>>>>> email, > >>>>>>>> but for you mac users out there, thanks for the help. It's > >>>>>>>> appreciated. > >>>>>>>> Laurel and Stockard > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >>>>>>>> for > >>>>>>>> nabs-l: > >>>>>>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/opensesame%40me.com > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>>>>> nabs-l: > >>>>>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> Cindy Bennett > >>>>>> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington > >>>>>> > >>>>>> clb5590 at gmail.com > >>>>>> 828.989.5383 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>>>> nabs-l: > >>>>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stockard%40gmail.com > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>>> nabs-l: > >>>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>> nabs-l: > >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorge.paez1994%40gmail.com > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> nabs-l: > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cassonw%40gmail.com > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Bill Casson > >> University of New Mexico > >> M.S. Computer Science > >> (505) 695-1374 > >> cassonw at unm.edu > > > > > > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue Apr 24 02:20:59 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 22:20:59 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] citing APA style In-Reply-To: References: <9ABE6B0F31414ED28C789579CA4FDAB0@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <4EAF143D8C9149209B7B23D017C16402@OwnerPC> Hi, thanks Katie and Gret; great descriptions. I have trouble learning this because of the punctuation and formatting and the fact that citation style changes. As you get used to some rules, they change it again! Before title of articles were in quotes. So the parentheses is for issue number in this latest APA style. One more thing, if you get the article from a database that is also a print source, what do you say? Do you put retrieved from psychinfo or something. I do not have urls since the articles are pdfs so they look like the original journal article. I'm citing the articles like print sources since that is what the description says; I've also looked at the Purdue OWL site, but you add something for electronic sources. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Katie Wang Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 6:37 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style Hi Ashley, I understand that formatting citations can be a little annoying at first, but after you learn the conventions you should be able to format all your APA references independently. I'm not sure if you know this already, but you can get JAWS to read you the formatting of any selected section of the text by pressing Insert plus f. To answer your specific questions, the journal title and volume number need to be italicized, and issue number should come in parentheses after the volume number. Also note that you should apply a hanging indent to your reference list-- In other words, the second and subsequent lines of each reference should be indented from the left margin by the width of a tab. Hope this helps and feel free to let me know if you have any other questions about APA style-- I'm a Psychology graduate student and have been doing this for a while. Katie On 4/23/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > gee, Josh, lots of people hate formatting. Its just a little harder for us > since we cannot see it so someone has to tell us. > It used to be that you put the article in quotes and underlined book or > chapter titles.From what I can see so far, this is no longer the case. > You start it the same though. Just do not put quotes or underlines; its > still author's name, date in parenthesis, title of article or book, title > of > > journal. then not sure. > > I'll ask someone sighted yeah, but I need to learn. I can certainly bold > or > > italic something if I know what need to be bolded/italiacized. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 3:52 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style > > I've always hated APA format! > It's very confusing! > My Freshmen English instructor made us use it, so I had a sighted > work-study help me format it. > I'd recommend this, as well. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 4/23/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I’m struggling with the citation style as usual. Jaws doesn’t tell me the >> formatting of the words and I went word by word to hear punctuation in >> the >> sample reference entry I looked up. I do have to alphabetize them, >> right? >> >> I >> know you do in MLA. >> >> How Do I format the Journal title and title of article? Do I put italics >> or >> anything on it? Before there were quotes around the title of article, but >> when I looked online now, there are none. >> How do I site the volume number and issue? The sample says number and a >> parenthese number. I’m confused. I know I site the page number range >> after >> this. Like do I write Journal of Adolescent psychology, 3 (24) and the 3 >> is >> volume number and 24 is issue number? >> >> Thanks. >> Ashley >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From arielle71 at gmail.com Tue Apr 24 02:33:39 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 20:33:39 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] citing APA style In-Reply-To: <4EAF143D8C9149209B7B23D017C16402@OwnerPC> References: <9ABE6B0F31414ED28C789579CA4FDAB0@OwnerPC> <4EAF143D8C9149209B7B23D017C16402@OwnerPC> Message-ID: I always cite journal articles the same way regardless of how I found them. The only time I use the "retrieved from" is if I am citing a website that has no print equivalent, i.e. "Disability Compendium 2012". While you are learning APA format, you may want to change your JAWS voice settings so your punctuation is on most or total. Just do it while you are looking at examples, then switch it back. Since I am a psychology student, I switched completely from MLA to APA style during college and overall I like APA much better. I think that's mostly because with APA style you don't have to include an exact page number in your in-text citation, just the author's name and year. This works much better especially when reading sources electronically.. The only time you need to use a page number is when citing an exact quote. Best, Arielle On 4/23/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi, thanks Katie and Gret; great descriptions. > I have trouble learning this because of the punctuation and formatting and > the fact that citation style changes. As you get used to some rules, they > change it again! Before title of articles were in quotes. So the > parentheses is for > issue number in this latest APA style. > > One more thing, if you get the article from a database that is also a print > source, what do you say? Do you put retrieved from psychinfo or something. I > do not have urls since the articles are pdfs so they look like the original > journal article. > I'm citing the articles like print sources since that is what the > description says; I've also looked at the Purdue OWL site, but you add > something for electronic sources. > > Ashley > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Katie Wang > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 6:37 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style > > Hi Ashley, > > I understand that formatting citations can be a little annoying at > first, but after you learn the conventions you should be able to > format all your APA references independently. I'm not sure if you know > this already, but you can get JAWS to read you the formatting of any > selected section of the text by pressing Insert plus f. > > To answer your specific questions, the journal title and volume number > need to be italicized, and issue number should come in parentheses > after the volume number. Also note that you should apply a hanging > indent to your reference list-- In other words, the second and > subsequent lines of each reference should be indented from the left > margin by the width of a tab. Hope this helps and feel free to let me > know if you have any other questions about APA style-- I'm a > Psychology graduate student and have been doing this for a while. > Katie > > > > On 4/23/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> gee, Josh, lots of people hate formatting. Its just a little harder for us >> since we cannot see it so someone has to tell us. >> It used to be that you put the article in quotes and underlined book or >> chapter titles.From what I can see so far, this is no longer the case. >> You start it the same though. Just do not put quotes or underlines; its >> still author's name, date in parenthesis, title of article or book, title >> of >> >> journal. then not sure. >> >> I'll ask someone sighted yeah, but I need to learn. I can certainly bold >> or >> >> italic something if I know what need to be bolded/italiacized. >> >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joshua Lester >> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 3:52 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style >> >> I've always hated APA format! >> It's very confusing! >> My Freshmen English instructor made us use it, so I had a sighted >> work-study help me format it. >> I'd recommend this, as well. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 4/23/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I’m struggling with the citation style as usual. Jaws doesn’t tell me the >>> formatting of the words and I went word by word to hear punctuation in >>> the >>> sample reference entry I looked up. I do have to alphabetize them, >>> right? >>> >>> I >>> know you do in MLA. >>> >>> How Do I format the Journal title and title of article? Do I put italics >>> or >>> anything on it? Before there were quotes around the title of article, but >>> when I looked online now, there are none. >>> How do I site the volume number and issue? The sample says number and a >>> parenthese number. I’m confused. I know I site the page number range >>> after >>> this. Like do I write Journal of Adolescent psychology, 3 (24) and the 3 >>> is >>> volume number and 24 is issue number? >>> >>> Thanks. >>> Ashley >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue Apr 24 03:28:12 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 23:28:12 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] citing APA style In-Reply-To: References: <9ABE6B0F31414ED28C789579CA4FDAB0@OwnerPC><4EAF143D8C9149209B7B23D017C16402@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <73D7E053979840579A88479CDC4C291C@OwnerPC> Arielle, Well then I'm alright then; I've cited journal articles the same way I do a real print source. Thing is the electronic example said retrieved from some url; but I'm not going to worry about it; after all, I gave credit to the source and it technically is a print source. I, too, like APA better because you don't have to give first and last names, and as you said no page numbers where you got the exact info. This is nicer to deal with when writing the paper. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Arielle Silverman Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 10:33 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style I always cite journal articles the same way regardless of how I found them. The only time I use the "retrieved from" is if I am citing a website that has no print equivalent, i.e. "Disability Compendium 2012". While you are learning APA format, you may want to change your JAWS voice settings so your punctuation is on most or total. Just do it while you are looking at examples, then switch it back. Since I am a psychology student, I switched completely from MLA to APA style during college and overall I like APA much better. I think that's mostly because with APA style you don't have to include an exact page number in your in-text citation, just the author's name and year. This works much better especially when reading sources electronically.. The only time you need to use a page number is when citing an exact quote. Best, Arielle On 4/23/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi, thanks Katie and Gret; great descriptions. > I have trouble learning this because of the punctuation and formatting and > the fact that citation style changes. As you get used to some rules, they > change it again! Before title of articles were in quotes. So the > parentheses is for > issue number in this latest APA style. > > One more thing, if you get the article from a database that is also a > print > source, what do you say? Do you put retrieved from psychinfo or something. > I > do not have urls since the articles are pdfs so they look like the > original > journal article. > I'm citing the articles like print sources since that is what the > description says; I've also looked at the Purdue OWL site, but you add > something for electronic sources. > > Ashley > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Katie Wang > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 6:37 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style > > Hi Ashley, > > I understand that formatting citations can be a little annoying at > first, but after you learn the conventions you should be able to > format all your APA references independently. I'm not sure if you know > this already, but you can get JAWS to read you the formatting of any > selected section of the text by pressing Insert plus f. > > To answer your specific questions, the journal title and volume number > need to be italicized, and issue number should come in parentheses > after the volume number. Also note that you should apply a hanging > indent to your reference list-- In other words, the second and > subsequent lines of each reference should be indented from the left > margin by the width of a tab. Hope this helps and feel free to let me > know if you have any other questions about APA style-- I'm a > Psychology graduate student and have been doing this for a while. > Katie > > > > On 4/23/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> gee, Josh, lots of people hate formatting. Its just a little harder for >> us >> since we cannot see it so someone has to tell us. >> It used to be that you put the article in quotes and underlined book or >> chapter titles.From what I can see so far, this is no longer the case. >> You start it the same though. Just do not put quotes or underlines; its >> still author's name, date in parenthesis, title of article or book, title >> of >> >> journal. then not sure. >> >> I'll ask someone sighted yeah, but I need to learn. I can certainly bold >> or >> >> italic something if I know what need to be bolded/italiacized. >> >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joshua Lester >> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 3:52 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style >> >> I've always hated APA format! >> It's very confusing! >> My Freshmen English instructor made us use it, so I had a sighted >> work-study help me format it. >> I'd recommend this, as well. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 4/23/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I’m struggling with the citation style as usual. Jaws doesn’t tell me >>> the >>> formatting of the words and I went word by word to hear punctuation in >>> the >>> sample reference entry I looked up. I do have to alphabetize them, >>> right? >>> >>> I >>> know you do in MLA. >>> >>> How Do I format the Journal title and title of article? Do I put italics >>> or >>> anything on it? Before there were quotes around the title of article, >>> but >>> when I looked online now, there are none. >>> How do I site the volume number and issue? The sample says number and a >>> parenthese number. I’m confused. I know I site the page number range >>> after >>> this. Like do I write Journal of Adolescent psychology, 3 (24) and the 3 >>> is >>> volume number and 24 is issue number? >>> >>> Thanks. >>> Ashley >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Apr 24 03:32:08 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 22:32:08 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] citing APA style In-Reply-To: <73D7E053979840579A88479CDC4C291C@OwnerPC> References: <9ABE6B0F31414ED28C789579CA4FDAB0@OwnerPC> <4EAF143D8C9149209B7B23D017C16402@OwnerPC> <73D7E053979840579A88479CDC4C291C@OwnerPC> Message-ID: I like the instructor, at my college, now. He doesn't care, if a paper is done, in APA, or MLA, just as long as it gets done. He's very laid back, and he's very accomidating! Blessings, Joshua On 4/23/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Arielle, > Well then I'm alright then; I've cited journal articles the same way I do a > real print source. Thing is the electronic example said retrieved from some > url; but I'm not going to worry about it; after all, I gave credit to the > source and it technically is a print source. > I, too, like APA better because you don't have to give first and last names, > and as you said no page numbers where you got the exact info. This is nicer > to deal with when writing the paper. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Arielle Silverman > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 10:33 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style > > I always cite journal articles the same way regardless of how I found > them. The only time I use the "retrieved from" is if I am citing a > website that has no print equivalent, i.e. "Disability Compendium > 2012". > While you are learning APA format, you may want to change your JAWS > voice settings so your punctuation is on most or total. Just do it > while you are looking at examples, then switch it back. > Since I am a psychology student, I switched completely from MLA to APA > style during college and overall I like APA much better. I think > that's mostly because with APA style you don't have to include an > exact page number in your in-text citation, just the author's name and > year. This works much better especially when reading sources > electronically.. The only time you need to use a page number is when > citing an exact quote. > Best, > Arielle > > On 4/23/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Hi, thanks Katie and Gret; great descriptions. >> I have trouble learning this because of the punctuation and formatting and >> the fact that citation style changes. As you get used to some rules, they >> change it again! Before title of articles were in quotes. So the >> parentheses is for >> issue number in this latest APA style. >> >> One more thing, if you get the article from a database that is also a >> print >> source, what do you say? Do you put retrieved from psychinfo or something. >> >> I >> do not have urls since the articles are pdfs so they look like the >> original >> journal article. >> I'm citing the articles like print sources since that is what the >> description says; I've also looked at the Purdue OWL site, but you add >> something for electronic sources. >> >> Ashley >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Katie Wang >> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 6:37 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style >> >> Hi Ashley, >> >> I understand that formatting citations can be a little annoying at >> first, but after you learn the conventions you should be able to >> format all your APA references independently. I'm not sure if you know >> this already, but you can get JAWS to read you the formatting of any >> selected section of the text by pressing Insert plus f. >> >> To answer your specific questions, the journal title and volume number >> need to be italicized, and issue number should come in parentheses >> after the volume number. Also note that you should apply a hanging >> indent to your reference list-- In other words, the second and >> subsequent lines of each reference should be indented from the left >> margin by the width of a tab. Hope this helps and feel free to let me >> know if you have any other questions about APA style-- I'm a >> Psychology graduate student and have been doing this for a while. >> Katie >> >> >> >> On 4/23/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> gee, Josh, lots of people hate formatting. Its just a little harder for >>> us >>> since we cannot see it so someone has to tell us. >>> It used to be that you put the article in quotes and underlined book or >>> chapter titles.From what I can see so far, this is no longer the case. >>> You start it the same though. Just do not put quotes or underlines; its >>> still author's name, date in parenthesis, title of article or book, title >>> of >>> >>> journal. then not sure. >>> >>> I'll ask someone sighted yeah, but I need to learn. I can certainly bold >>> or >>> >>> italic something if I know what need to be bolded/italiacized. >>> >>> Ashley >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Joshua Lester >>> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 3:52 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style >>> >>> I've always hated APA format! >>> It's very confusing! >>> My Freshmen English instructor made us use it, so I had a sighted >>> work-study help me format it. >>> I'd recommend this, as well. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 4/23/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I’m struggling with the citation style as usual. Jaws doesn’t tell me >>>> the >>>> formatting of the words and I went word by word to hear punctuation in >>>> the >>>> sample reference entry I looked up. I do have to alphabetize them, >>>> right? >>>> >>>> I >>>> know you do in MLA. >>>> >>>> How Do I format the Journal title and title of article? Do I put italics >>>> or >>>> anything on it? Before there were quotes around the title of article, >>>> but >>>> when I looked online now, there are none. >>>> How do I site the volume number and issue? The sample says number and a >>>> parenthese number. I’m confused. I know I site the page number range >>>> after >>>> this. Like do I write Journal of Adolescent psychology, 3 (24) and the 3 >>>> is >>>> volume number and 24 is issue number? >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> Ashley >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From clb5590 at gmail.com Tue Apr 24 03:34:34 2012 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 20:34:34 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] citing APA style In-Reply-To: <73D7E053979840579A88479CDC4C291C@OwnerPC> References: <9ABE6B0F31414ED28C789579CA4FDAB0@OwnerPC> <4EAF143D8C9149209B7B23D017C16402@OwnerPC> <73D7E053979840579A88479CDC4C291C@OwnerPC> Message-ID: These descriptions seem pretty comprehensive, but the keystroke for a hanging indent is control t. Cindy On 4/23/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Arielle, > Well then I'm alright then; I've cited journal articles the same way I do a > real print source. Thing is the electronic example said retrieved from some > url; but I'm not going to worry about it; after all, I gave credit to the > source and it technically is a print source. > I, too, like APA better because you don't have to give first and last names, > and as you said no page numbers where you got the exact info. This is nicer > to deal with when writing the paper. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Arielle Silverman > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 10:33 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style > > I always cite journal articles the same way regardless of how I found > them. The only time I use the "retrieved from" is if I am citing a > website that has no print equivalent, i.e. "Disability Compendium > 2012". > While you are learning APA format, you may want to change your JAWS > voice settings so your punctuation is on most or total. Just do it > while you are looking at examples, then switch it back. > Since I am a psychology student, I switched completely from MLA to APA > style during college and overall I like APA much better. I think > that's mostly because with APA style you don't have to include an > exact page number in your in-text citation, just the author's name and > year. This works much better especially when reading sources > electronically.. The only time you need to use a page number is when > citing an exact quote. > Best, > Arielle > > On 4/23/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Hi, thanks Katie and Gret; great descriptions. >> I have trouble learning this because of the punctuation and formatting and >> the fact that citation style changes. As you get used to some rules, they >> change it again! Before title of articles were in quotes. So the >> parentheses is for >> issue number in this latest APA style. >> >> One more thing, if you get the article from a database that is also a >> print >> source, what do you say? Do you put retrieved from psychinfo or something. >> >> I >> do not have urls since the articles are pdfs so they look like the >> original >> journal article. >> I'm citing the articles like print sources since that is what the >> description says; I've also looked at the Purdue OWL site, but you add >> something for electronic sources. >> >> Ashley >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Katie Wang >> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 6:37 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style >> >> Hi Ashley, >> >> I understand that formatting citations can be a little annoying at >> first, but after you learn the conventions you should be able to >> format all your APA references independently. I'm not sure if you know >> this already, but you can get JAWS to read you the formatting of any >> selected section of the text by pressing Insert plus f. >> >> To answer your specific questions, the journal title and volume number >> need to be italicized, and issue number should come in parentheses >> after the volume number. Also note that you should apply a hanging >> indent to your reference list-- In other words, the second and >> subsequent lines of each reference should be indented from the left >> margin by the width of a tab. Hope this helps and feel free to let me >> know if you have any other questions about APA style-- I'm a >> Psychology graduate student and have been doing this for a while. >> Katie >> >> >> >> On 4/23/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> gee, Josh, lots of people hate formatting. Its just a little harder for >>> us >>> since we cannot see it so someone has to tell us. >>> It used to be that you put the article in quotes and underlined book or >>> chapter titles.From what I can see so far, this is no longer the case. >>> You start it the same though. Just do not put quotes or underlines; its >>> still author's name, date in parenthesis, title of article or book, title >>> of >>> >>> journal. then not sure. >>> >>> I'll ask someone sighted yeah, but I need to learn. I can certainly bold >>> or >>> >>> italic something if I know what need to be bolded/italiacized. >>> >>> Ashley >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Joshua Lester >>> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 3:52 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style >>> >>> I've always hated APA format! >>> It's very confusing! >>> My Freshmen English instructor made us use it, so I had a sighted >>> work-study help me format it. >>> I'd recommend this, as well. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 4/23/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I’m struggling with the citation style as usual. Jaws doesn’t tell me >>>> the >>>> formatting of the words and I went word by word to hear punctuation in >>>> the >>>> sample reference entry I looked up. I do have to alphabetize them, >>>> right? >>>> >>>> I >>>> know you do in MLA. >>>> >>>> How Do I format the Journal title and title of article? Do I put italics >>>> or >>>> anything on it? Before there were quotes around the title of article, >>>> but >>>> when I looked online now, there are none. >>>> How do I site the volume number and issue? The sample says number and a >>>> parenthese number. I’m confused. I know I site the page number range >>>> after >>>> this. Like do I write Journal of Adolescent psychology, 3 (24) and the 3 >>>> is >>>> volume number and 24 is issue number? >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> Ashley >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com > -- Cindy Bennett B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com 828.989.5383 From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue Apr 24 05:00:25 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 01:00:25 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] citing APA style In-Reply-To: References: <9ABE6B0F31414ED28C789579CA4FDAB0@OwnerPC><4EAF143D8C9149209B7B23D017C16402@OwnerPC><73D7E053979840579A88479CDC4C291C@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <4822B863D7164DEA93E7E87475916316@OwnerPC> Cindy, thanks for the shortcut key. You can either do that or press tab on each line; control t is shorter though. -----Original Message----- From: Cindy Bennett Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 11:34 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style These descriptions seem pretty comprehensive, but the keystroke for a hanging indent is control t. Cindy On 4/23/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Arielle, > Well then I'm alright then; I've cited journal articles the same way I do > a > real print source. Thing is the electronic example said retrieved from > some > url; but I'm not going to worry about it; after all, I gave credit to the > source and it technically is a print source. > I, too, like APA better because you don't have to give first and last > names, > and as you said no page numbers where you got the exact info. This is > nicer > to deal with when writing the paper. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Arielle Silverman > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 10:33 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style > > I always cite journal articles the same way regardless of how I found > them. The only time I use the "retrieved from" is if I am citing a > website that has no print equivalent, i.e. "Disability Compendium > 2012". > While you are learning APA format, you may want to change your JAWS > voice settings so your punctuation is on most or total. Just do it > while you are looking at examples, then switch it back. > Since I am a psychology student, I switched completely from MLA to APA > style during college and overall I like APA much better. I think > that's mostly because with APA style you don't have to include an > exact page number in your in-text citation, just the author's name and > year. This works much better especially when reading sources > electronically.. The only time you need to use a page number is when > citing an exact quote. > Best, > Arielle > > On 4/23/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Hi, thanks Katie and Gret; great descriptions. >> I have trouble learning this because of the punctuation and formatting >> and >> the fact that citation style changes. As you get used to some rules, they >> change it again! Before title of articles were in quotes. So the >> parentheses is for >> issue number in this latest APA style. >> >> One more thing, if you get the article from a database that is also a >> print >> source, what do you say? Do you put retrieved from psychinfo or >> something. >> >> I >> do not have urls since the articles are pdfs so they look like the >> original >> journal article. >> I'm citing the articles like print sources since that is what the >> description says; I've also looked at the Purdue OWL site, but you add >> something for electronic sources. >> >> Ashley >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Katie Wang >> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 6:37 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style >> >> Hi Ashley, >> >> I understand that formatting citations can be a little annoying at >> first, but after you learn the conventions you should be able to >> format all your APA references independently. I'm not sure if you know >> this already, but you can get JAWS to read you the formatting of any >> selected section of the text by pressing Insert plus f. >> >> To answer your specific questions, the journal title and volume number >> need to be italicized, and issue number should come in parentheses >> after the volume number. Also note that you should apply a hanging >> indent to your reference list-- In other words, the second and >> subsequent lines of each reference should be indented from the left >> margin by the width of a tab. Hope this helps and feel free to let me >> know if you have any other questions about APA style-- I'm a >> Psychology graduate student and have been doing this for a while. >> Katie >> >> >> >> On 4/23/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> gee, Josh, lots of people hate formatting. Its just a little harder for >>> us >>> since we cannot see it so someone has to tell us. >>> It used to be that you put the article in quotes and underlined book or >>> chapter titles.From what I can see so far, this is no longer the case. >>> You start it the same though. Just do not put quotes or underlines; its >>> still author's name, date in parenthesis, title of article or book, >>> title >>> of >>> >>> journal. then not sure. >>> >>> I'll ask someone sighted yeah, but I need to learn. I can certainly bold >>> or >>> >>> italic something if I know what need to be bolded/italiacized. >>> >>> Ashley >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Joshua Lester >>> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 3:52 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style >>> >>> I've always hated APA format! >>> It's very confusing! >>> My Freshmen English instructor made us use it, so I had a sighted >>> work-study help me format it. >>> I'd recommend this, as well. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 4/23/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I’m struggling with the citation style as usual. Jaws doesn’t tell me >>>> the >>>> formatting of the words and I went word by word to hear punctuation in >>>> the >>>> sample reference entry I looked up. I do have to alphabetize them, >>>> right? >>>> >>>> I >>>> know you do in MLA. >>>> >>>> How Do I format the Journal title and title of article? Do I put >>>> italics >>>> or >>>> anything on it? Before there were quotes around the title of article, >>>> but >>>> when I looked online now, there are none. >>>> How do I site the volume number and issue? The sample says number and a >>>> parenthese number. I’m confused. I know I site the page number range >>>> after >>>> this. Like do I write Journal of Adolescent psychology, 3 (24) and the >>>> 3 >>>> is >>>> volume number and 24 is issue number? >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> Ashley >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com > -- Cindy Bennett B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com 828.989.5383 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue Apr 24 05:05:39 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 01:05:39 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] citing APA style In-Reply-To: References: <9ABE6B0F31414ED28C789579CA4FDAB0@OwnerPC><4EAF143D8C9149209B7B23D017C16402@OwnerPC><73D7E053979840579A88479CDC4C291C@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <17444E4A2F694008AC6C9C3E63F31013@OwnerPC> Josh, sometimes my professors let us choose as well. But either method, you still have to format and use the periods and italics correctly; that is what my original question was about. So whether I had APA or MLA this question would still stand. Some things are just a bit visual and precise; its important to know them otherwise it is hard to unlearn mistakes and sometime down the road we will be told the correct way by a professor or someone, but then its too hard to correct if you have done it the wrong way for a long time. So I'm glad those people that know it took the time to explain the structure including where to italicize. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 11:32 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style I like the instructor, at my college, now. He doesn't care, if a paper is done, in APA, or MLA, just as long as it gets done. He's very laid back, and he's very accomidating! Blessings, Joshua On 4/23/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Arielle, > Well then I'm alright then; I've cited journal articles the same way I do > a > real print source. Thing is the electronic example said retrieved from > some > url; but I'm not going to worry about it; after all, I gave credit to the > source and it technically is a print source. > I, too, like APA better because you don't have to give first and last > names, > and as you said no page numbers where you got the exact info. This is > nicer > to deal with when writing the paper. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Arielle Silverman > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 10:33 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style > > I always cite journal articles the same way regardless of how I found > them. The only time I use the "retrieved from" is if I am citing a > website that has no print equivalent, i.e. "Disability Compendium > 2012". > While you are learning APA format, you may want to change your JAWS > voice settings so your punctuation is on most or total. Just do it > while you are looking at examples, then switch it back. > Since I am a psychology student, I switched completely from MLA to APA > style during college and overall I like APA much better. I think > that's mostly because with APA style you don't have to include an > exact page number in your in-text citation, just the author's name and > year. This works much better especially when reading sources > electronically.. The only time you need to use a page number is when > citing an exact quote. > Best, > Arielle > > On 4/23/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Hi, thanks Katie and Gret; great descriptions. >> I have trouble learning this because of the punctuation and formatting >> and >> the fact that citation style changes. As you get used to some rules, they >> change it again! Before title of articles were in quotes. So the >> parentheses is for >> issue number in this latest APA style. >> >> One more thing, if you get the article from a database that is also a >> print >> source, what do you say? Do you put retrieved from psychinfo or >> something. >> >> I >> do not have urls since the articles are pdfs so they look like the >> original >> journal article. >> I'm citing the articles like print sources since that is what the >> description says; I've also looked at the Purdue OWL site, but you add >> something for electronic sources. >> >> Ashley >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Katie Wang >> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 6:37 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style >> >> Hi Ashley, >> >> I understand that formatting citations can be a little annoying at >> first, but after you learn the conventions you should be able to >> format all your APA references independently. I'm not sure if you know >> this already, but you can get JAWS to read you the formatting of any >> selected section of the text by pressing Insert plus f. >> >> To answer your specific questions, the journal title and volume number >> need to be italicized, and issue number should come in parentheses >> after the volume number. Also note that you should apply a hanging >> indent to your reference list-- In other words, the second and >> subsequent lines of each reference should be indented from the left >> margin by the width of a tab. Hope this helps and feel free to let me >> know if you have any other questions about APA style-- I'm a >> Psychology graduate student and have been doing this for a while. >> Katie >> >> >> >> On 4/23/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> gee, Josh, lots of people hate formatting. Its just a little harder for >>> us >>> since we cannot see it so someone has to tell us. >>> It used to be that you put the article in quotes and underlined book or >>> chapter titles.From what I can see so far, this is no longer the case. >>> You start it the same though. Just do not put quotes or underlines; its >>> still author's name, date in parenthesis, title of article or book, >>> title >>> of >>> >>> journal. then not sure. >>> >>> I'll ask someone sighted yeah, but I need to learn. I can certainly bold >>> or >>> >>> italic something if I know what need to be bolded/italiacized. >>> >>> Ashley >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Joshua Lester >>> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 3:52 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style >>> >>> I've always hated APA format! >>> It's very confusing! >>> My Freshmen English instructor made us use it, so I had a sighted >>> work-study help me format it. >>> I'd recommend this, as well. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 4/23/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I’m struggling with the citation style as usual. Jaws doesn’t tell me >>>> the >>>> formatting of the words and I went word by word to hear punctuation in >>>> the >>>> sample reference entry I looked up. I do have to alphabetize them, >>>> right? >>>> >>>> I >>>> know you do in MLA. >>>> >>>> How Do I format the Journal title and title of article? Do I put >>>> italics >>>> or >>>> anything on it? Before there were quotes around the title of article, >>>> but >>>> when I looked online now, there are none. >>>> How do I site the volume number and issue? The sample says number and a >>>> parenthese number. I’m confused. I know I site the page number range >>>> after >>>> this. Like do I write Journal of Adolescent psychology, 3 (24) and the >>>> 3 >>>> is >>>> volume number and 24 is issue number? >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> Ashley >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From tinadt at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 24 05:18:46 2012 From: tinadt at sbcglobal.net (Tina Thomas) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 22:18:46 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] citing APA style In-Reply-To: References: <9ABE6B0F31414ED28C789579CA4FDAB0@OwnerPC> <4EAF143D8C9149209B7B23D017C16402@OwnerPC> <73D7E053979840579A88479CDC4C291C@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <013401cd21d9$ba4c12e0$2ee438a0$@net> Does your professor afford everyone in the class this practice? Or is it only afforded to you? Tina -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 8:32 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style I like the instructor, at my college, now. He doesn't care, if a paper is done, in APA, or MLA, just as long as it gets done. He's very laid back, and he's very accomidating! Blessings, Joshua On 4/23/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Arielle, > Well then I'm alright then; I've cited journal articles the same way I > do a real print source. Thing is the electronic example said retrieved > from some url; but I'm not going to worry about it; after all, I gave > credit to the source and it technically is a print source. > I, too, like APA better because you don't have to give first and last > names, and as you said no page numbers where you got the exact info. > This is nicer to deal with when writing the paper. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Arielle Silverman > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 10:33 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style > > I always cite journal articles the same way regardless of how I found > them. The only time I use the "retrieved from" is if I am citing a > website that has no print equivalent, i.e. "Disability Compendium > 2012". > While you are learning APA format, you may want to change your JAWS > voice settings so your punctuation is on most or total. Just do it > while you are looking at examples, then switch it back. > Since I am a psychology student, I switched completely from MLA to APA > style during college and overall I like APA much better. I think > that's mostly because with APA style you don't have to include an > exact page number in your in-text citation, just the author's name and > year. This works much better especially when reading sources > electronically.. The only time you need to use a page number is when > citing an exact quote. > Best, > Arielle > > On 4/23/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Hi, thanks Katie and Gret; great descriptions. >> I have trouble learning this because of the punctuation and >> formatting and the fact that citation style changes. As you get used >> to some rules, they change it again! Before title of articles were in >> quotes. So the parentheses is for issue number in this latest APA >> style. >> >> One more thing, if you get the article from a database that is also a >> print source, what do you say? Do you put retrieved from psychinfo or >> something. >> >> I >> do not have urls since the articles are pdfs so they look like the >> original journal article. >> I'm citing the articles like print sources since that is what the >> description says; I've also looked at the Purdue OWL site, but you >> add something for electronic sources. >> >> Ashley >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Katie Wang >> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 6:37 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style >> >> Hi Ashley, >> >> I understand that formatting citations can be a little annoying at >> first, but after you learn the conventions you should be able to >> format all your APA references independently. I'm not sure if you >> know this already, but you can get JAWS to read you the formatting of >> any selected section of the text by pressing Insert plus f. >> >> To answer your specific questions, the journal title and volume >> number need to be italicized, and issue number should come in >> parentheses after the volume number. Also note that you should apply >> a hanging indent to your reference list-- In other words, the second >> and subsequent lines of each reference should be indented from the >> left margin by the width of a tab. Hope this helps and feel free to >> let me know if you have any other questions about APA style-- I'm a >> Psychology graduate student and have been doing this for a while. >> Katie >> >> >> >> On 4/23/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> gee, Josh, lots of people hate formatting. Its just a little harder >>> for us since we cannot see it so someone has to tell us. >>> It used to be that you put the article in quotes and underlined book >>> or chapter titles.From what I can see so far, this is no longer the case. >>> You start it the same though. Just do not put quotes or underlines; >>> its still author's name, date in parenthesis, title of article or >>> book, title of >>> >>> journal. then not sure. >>> >>> I'll ask someone sighted yeah, but I need to learn. I can certainly >>> bold or >>> >>> italic something if I know what need to be bolded/italiacized. >>> >>> Ashley >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Joshua Lester >>> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 3:52 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style >>> >>> I've always hated APA format! >>> It's very confusing! >>> My Freshmen English instructor made us use it, so I had a sighted >>> work-study help me format it. >>> I'd recommend this, as well. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 4/23/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I'm struggling with the citation style as usual. Jaws doesn't tell >>>> me the formatting of the words and I went word by word to hear >>>> punctuation in the sample reference entry I looked up. I do have >>>> to alphabetize them, right? >>>> >>>> I >>>> know you do in MLA. >>>> >>>> How Do I format the Journal title and title of article? Do I put italics >>>> or >>>> anything on it? Before there were quotes around the title of article, >>>> but >>>> when I looked online now, there are none. >>>> How do I site the volume number and issue? The sample says number and a >>>> parenthese number. I'm confused. I know I site the page number range >>>> after >>>> this. Like do I write Journal of Adolescent psychology, 3 (24) and the 3 >>>> is >>>> volume number and 24 is issue number? >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> Ashley >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p ccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p ccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tinadt%40sbcglobal.net From clb5590 at gmail.com Tue Apr 24 06:16:46 2012 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 23:16:46 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] citing APA style In-Reply-To: <013401cd21d9$ba4c12e0$2ee438a0$@net> References: <9ABE6B0F31414ED28C789579CA4FDAB0@OwnerPC> <4EAF143D8C9149209B7B23D017C16402@OwnerPC> <73D7E053979840579A88479CDC4C291C@OwnerPC> <013401cd21d9$ba4c12e0$2ee438a0$@net> Message-ID: Oh, I just use control t a lot, because I have found that often times, ms word automatically formats documents to tab further and further in as you indent consecutive lines. Cindy On 4/23/12, Tina Thomas wrote: > Does your professor afford everyone in the class this practice? Or is it > only afforded to you? > Tina > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 8:32 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style > > I like the instructor, at my college, now. > He doesn't care, if a paper is done, in APA, or MLA, just as long as it gets > done. > He's very laid back, and he's very accomidating! > Blessings, Joshua > On 4/23/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Arielle, >> Well then I'm alright then; I've cited journal articles the same way I >> do a real print source. Thing is the electronic example said retrieved >> from some url; but I'm not going to worry about it; after all, I gave >> credit to the source and it technically is a print source. >> I, too, like APA better because you don't have to give first and last >> names, and as you said no page numbers where you got the exact info. >> This is nicer to deal with when writing the paper. >> >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Arielle Silverman >> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 10:33 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style >> >> I always cite journal articles the same way regardless of how I found >> them. The only time I use the "retrieved from" is if I am citing a >> website that has no print equivalent, i.e. "Disability Compendium >> 2012". >> While you are learning APA format, you may want to change your JAWS >> voice settings so your punctuation is on most or total. Just do it >> while you are looking at examples, then switch it back. >> Since I am a psychology student, I switched completely from MLA to APA >> style during college and overall I like APA much better. I think >> that's mostly because with APA style you don't have to include an >> exact page number in your in-text citation, just the author's name and >> year. This works much better especially when reading sources >> electronically.. The only time you need to use a page number is when >> citing an exact quote. >> Best, >> Arielle >> >> On 4/23/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> Hi, thanks Katie and Gret; great descriptions. >>> I have trouble learning this because of the punctuation and >>> formatting and the fact that citation style changes. As you get used >>> to some rules, they change it again! Before title of articles were in >>> quotes. So the parentheses is for issue number in this latest APA >>> style. >>> >>> One more thing, if you get the article from a database that is also a >>> print source, what do you say? Do you put retrieved from psychinfo or >>> something. >>> >>> I >>> do not have urls since the articles are pdfs so they look like the >>> original journal article. >>> I'm citing the articles like print sources since that is what the >>> description says; I've also looked at the Purdue OWL site, but you >>> add something for electronic sources. >>> >>> Ashley >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Katie Wang >>> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 6:37 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style >>> >>> Hi Ashley, >>> >>> I understand that formatting citations can be a little annoying at >>> first, but after you learn the conventions you should be able to >>> format all your APA references independently. I'm not sure if you >>> know this already, but you can get JAWS to read you the formatting of >>> any selected section of the text by pressing Insert plus f. >>> >>> To answer your specific questions, the journal title and volume >>> number need to be italicized, and issue number should come in >>> parentheses after the volume number. Also note that you should apply >>> a hanging indent to your reference list-- In other words, the second >>> and subsequent lines of each reference should be indented from the >>> left margin by the width of a tab. Hope this helps and feel free to >>> let me know if you have any other questions about APA style-- I'm a >>> Psychology graduate student and have been doing this for a while. >>> Katie >>> >>> >>> >>> On 4/23/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>> gee, Josh, lots of people hate formatting. Its just a little harder >>>> for us since we cannot see it so someone has to tell us. >>>> It used to be that you put the article in quotes and underlined book >>>> or chapter titles.From what I can see so far, this is no longer the > case. >>>> You start it the same though. Just do not put quotes or underlines; >>>> its still author's name, date in parenthesis, title of article or >>>> book, title of >>>> >>>> journal. then not sure. >>>> >>>> I'll ask someone sighted yeah, but I need to learn. I can certainly >>>> bold or >>>> >>>> italic something if I know what need to be bolded/italiacized. >>>> >>>> Ashley >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 3:52 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style >>>> >>>> I've always hated APA format! >>>> It's very confusing! >>>> My Freshmen English instructor made us use it, so I had a sighted >>>> work-study help me format it. >>>> I'd recommend this, as well. >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>> >>>> On 4/23/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> I'm struggling with the citation style as usual. Jaws doesn't tell >>>>> me the formatting of the words and I went word by word to hear >>>>> punctuation in the sample reference entry I looked up. I do have >>>>> to alphabetize them, right? >>>>> >>>>> I >>>>> know you do in MLA. >>>>> >>>>> How Do I format the Journal title and title of article? Do I put > italics >>>>> or >>>>> anything on it? Before there were quotes around the title of article, >>>>> but >>>>> when I looked online now, there are none. >>>>> How do I site the volume number and issue? The sample says number and a >>>>> parenthese number. I'm confused. I know I site the page number range >>>>> after >>>>> this. Like do I write Journal of Adolescent psychology, 3 (24) and the > 3 >>>>> is >>>>> volume number and 24 is issue number? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> Ashley >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p > ccua.edu >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. > net >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. > net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. > net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p > ccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tinadt%40sbcglobal.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com > -- Cindy Bennett B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com 828.989.5383 From isaiah5719 at mchsi.com Tue Apr 24 13:18:03 2012 From: isaiah5719 at mchsi.com (Loren) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 08:18:03 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] citing APA style In-Reply-To: <1A402974157848EBB70434427163D1AB@OwnerPC> References: <9ABE6B0F31414ED28C789579CA4FDAB0@OwnerPC> <02947F1A81D845309A638A6B065C729E@HUMBERTOAVILA> <1A402974157848EBB70434427163D1AB@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <008f01cd221c$ae722fc0$0b568f40$@mchsi.com> Also it is a good thing to have someone else check your work, if you have the time. Others will pick up things you missed, and that is in no way a bad reflection on you. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 8:08 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style Humberto, Jaws hase limitations where as a sighted person reads the whole liine and knows that say Sociology is italicized and Smith is not. You do not get this info unles you look for it and I don't always know where to look for it. Insert f is limiting because it tells you info relevant to that word only. I need to know where periods, commas, italics, etc are within the whole line in this case. The way to learn is to have it explained or see it brailled; braille is not an option in college; no braille reference book, so I have to learn by someone telling me. Also, I think I get it based on good explanations here; but having someone look over this stuff is not a bad idea, time permitting. After all, that is what tutoring is for in college. Most schools offer this. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Humberto Avila Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 6:31 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style Hello Ashley and all. I'm not trying to criticize your screen reader usage. But can't you use your screen reader's specific commands to read font information and the like? Isn't there a way to tell colors and at least attempt to format them yourselves? I know I can do that with JAWS. The command for telling me the font information using JAWS is insert+F, and the command to tell me what color I am working with is insert+5, 5 meaning the number row on the keyboard. I'm not sure you can do that in NVDA, but there are also settings in NVDA that allow you to describe the font or text attributes. In the settings center (for jaws 12 and over) / configuration manager (jaws 11 and under), there are settings that tell JAWS how to do all sorts of things. Like there is a dialog box called the "speech and sounds scheme" where you can specify what you want JAWS to speak. In NVDA, you can go to the NVDA preferences menu and choose the "document formatting" dialog box in which you can specify the settings that you want, like what attributes you want NVDA to speak to you. My point is, yes you can request a reader, but don't just request a reader for these things that a screen reader can do for you. It might take you just a few seconds of your homework / study / testing time when you hear that extra information coming out of your speakers or headphones and deciphering into your brain for reading, but it is feasible. Besides some of you crank that voice rate on your screen readers pretty high. At least for me. I don't' want to rely so much on a reader just to tell me, "hey this text is displaying in italics, red, and underlined." while my screen reader can be my own reader for that. Isn't why such software is called "screen reader"? Because it reads to you. [smile!] Hope this helps you, and I am sorry if I'm starting a hot debate in here about using real readers Vs. JAWS for editing font attributes. Cheers, Humberto -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 1:28 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style gee, Josh, lots of people hate formatting. Its just a little harder for us since we cannot see it so someone has to tell us. It used to be that you put the article in quotes and underlined book or chapter titles.From what I can see so far, this is no longer the case. You start it the same though. Just do not put quotes or underlines; its still author's name, date in parenthesis, title of article or book, title of journal. then not sure. I'll ask someone sighted yeah, but I need to learn. I can certainly bold or italic something if I know what need to be bolded/italiacized. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 3:52 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style I've always hated APA format! It's very confusing! My Freshmen English instructor made us use it, so I had a sighted work-study help me format it. I'd recommend this, as well. Blessings, Joshua On 4/23/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm struggling with the citation style as usual. Jaws doesn't tell me > the formatting of the words and I went word by word to hear > punctuation in the sample reference entry I looked up. I do have to alphabetize them, right? > I > know you do in MLA. > > How Do I format the Journal title and title of article? Do I put > italics or anything on it? Before there were quotes around the title > of article, but when I looked online now, there are none. > How do I site the volume number and issue? The sample says number and > a parenthese number. I'm confused. I know I site the page number range > after this. Like do I write Journal of Adolescent psychology, 3 (24) > and the 3 is volume number and 24 is issue number? > > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p ccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g mail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/isaiah5719%40mchsi.com From gloria.graves at gmail.com Tue Apr 24 13:41:26 2012 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 08:41:26 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] citing APA style References: <9ABE6B0F31414ED28C789579CA4FDAB0@OwnerPC> <02947F1A81D845309A638A6B065C729E@HUMBERTOAVILA><1A402974157848EBB70434427163D1AB@OwnerPC> <008f01cd221c$ae722fc0$0b568f40$@mchsi.com> Message-ID: Hey, I only got have of your message I believe. Can you please send this again. I think the beginning of the message was cut off. Gloria ----- Original Message ----- From: "Loren" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 8:18 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style > Also it is a good thing to have someone else check your work, if you have > the time. Others will pick up things you missed, and that is in no way a > bad reflection on you. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Ashley Bramlett > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 8:08 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style > > Humberto, > Jaws hase limitations where as a sighted person reads the whole liine and > knows that say Sociology is italicized and Smith is not. > You do not get this info unles you look for it and I don't always know > where > to look for it. Insert f is limiting because it tells you info relevant to > that word only. I need to know where periods, commas, italics, etc are > within the whole line in this case. The way to learn is to have it > explained > or see it brailled; braille is not an option in college; no braille > reference book, so I have to learn by someone telling me. > > Also, I think I get it based on good explanations here; but having someone > look over this stuff is not a bad idea, time permitting. After all, that > is > what tutoring is for in college. Most schools offer this. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Humberto Avila > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 6:31 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style > > Hello Ashley and all. > > I'm not trying to criticize your screen reader usage. But can't you use > your > screen reader's specific commands to read font information and the like? > Isn't there a way to tell colors and at least attempt to format them > yourselves? I know I can do that with JAWS. The command for telling me the > font information using JAWS is insert+F, and the command to tell me what > color I am working with is insert+5, 5 meaning the number row on the > keyboard. I'm not sure you can do that in NVDA, but there are also > settings > in NVDA that allow you to describe the font or text attributes. > In the settings center (for jaws 12 and over) / configuration manager > (jaws > 11 and under), there are settings that tell JAWS how to do all sorts of > things. Like there is a dialog box called the "speech and sounds scheme" > where you can specify what you want JAWS to speak. In NVDA, you can go to > the NVDA preferences menu and choose the "document formatting" dialog box > in > which you can specify the settings that you want, like what attributes you > want NVDA to speak to you. My point is, yes you can request a reader, but > don't just request a reader for these things that a screen reader can do > for > you. It might take you just a few seconds of your homework / study / > testing > time when you hear that extra information coming out of your speakers or > headphones and deciphering into your brain for reading, but it is > feasible. > Besides some of you crank that voice rate on your screen readers pretty > high. At least for me. I don't' want to rely so much on a reader just to > tell me, "hey this text is displaying in italics, red, and underlined." > while my screen reader can be my own reader for that. Isn't why such > software is called "screen reader"? Because it reads to you. [smile!] > > Hope this helps you, and I am sorry if I'm starting a hot debate in here > about using real readers Vs. JAWS for editing font attributes. > > Cheers, > Humberto > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Ashley Bramlett > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 1:28 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style > > gee, Josh, lots of people hate formatting. Its just a little harder for us > since we cannot see it so someone has to tell us. > It used to be that you put the article in quotes and underlined book or > chapter titles.From what I can see so far, this is no longer the case. > You start it the same though. Just do not put quotes or underlines; its > still author's name, date in parenthesis, title of article or book, title > of > > journal. then not sure. > > I'll ask someone sighted yeah, but I need to learn. I can certainly bold > or > italic something if I know what need to be bolded/italiacized. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 3:52 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style > > I've always hated APA format! > It's very confusing! > My Freshmen English instructor made us use it, so I had a sighted > work-study > help me format it. > I'd recommend this, as well. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 4/23/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I'm struggling with the citation style as usual. Jaws doesn't tell me >> the formatting of the words and I went word by word to hear >> punctuation in the sample reference entry I looked up. I do have to > alphabetize them, right? > >> I >> know you do in MLA. >> >> How Do I format the Journal title and title of article? Do I put >> italics or anything on it? Before there were quotes around the title >> of article, but when I looked online now, there are none. >> How do I site the volume number and issue? The sample says number and >> a parenthese number. I'm confused. I know I site the page number range >> after this. Like do I write Journal of Adolescent psychology, 3 (24) >> and the 3 is volume number and 24 is issue number? >> >> Thanks. >> Ashley >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p > ccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. > net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. > net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/isaiah5719%40mchsi.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From gloria.graves at gmail.com Tue Apr 24 13:42:02 2012 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 08:42:02 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] citing APA style References: <9ABE6B0F31414ED28C789579CA4FDAB0@OwnerPC> <02947F1A81D845309A638A6B065C729E@HUMBERTOAVILA><1A402974157848EBB70434427163D1AB@OwnerPC> <008f01cd221c$ae722fc0$0b568f40$@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <57F94895D3404386BC8A4A2DA906563E@Gloria> oops! I replied to the wrong message. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Loren" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 8:18 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style > Also it is a good thing to have someone else check your work, if you have > the time. Others will pick up things you missed, and that is in no way a > bad reflection on you. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Ashley Bramlett > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 8:08 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style > > Humberto, > Jaws hase limitations where as a sighted person reads the whole liine and > knows that say Sociology is italicized and Smith is not. > You do not get this info unles you look for it and I don't always know > where > to look for it. Insert f is limiting because it tells you info relevant to > that word only. I need to know where periods, commas, italics, etc are > within the whole line in this case. The way to learn is to have it > explained > or see it brailled; braille is not an option in college; no braille > reference book, so I have to learn by someone telling me. > > Also, I think I get it based on good explanations here; but having someone > look over this stuff is not a bad idea, time permitting. After all, that > is > what tutoring is for in college. Most schools offer this. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Humberto Avila > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 6:31 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style > > Hello Ashley and all. > > I'm not trying to criticize your screen reader usage. But can't you use > your > screen reader's specific commands to read font information and the like? > Isn't there a way to tell colors and at least attempt to format them > yourselves? I know I can do that with JAWS. The command for telling me the > font information using JAWS is insert+F, and the command to tell me what > color I am working with is insert+5, 5 meaning the number row on the > keyboard. I'm not sure you can do that in NVDA, but there are also > settings > in NVDA that allow you to describe the font or text attributes. > In the settings center (for jaws 12 and over) / configuration manager > (jaws > 11 and under), there are settings that tell JAWS how to do all sorts of > things. Like there is a dialog box called the "speech and sounds scheme" > where you can specify what you want JAWS to speak. In NVDA, you can go to > the NVDA preferences menu and choose the "document formatting" dialog box > in > which you can specify the settings that you want, like what attributes you > want NVDA to speak to you. My point is, yes you can request a reader, but > don't just request a reader for these things that a screen reader can do > for > you. It might take you just a few seconds of your homework / study / > testing > time when you hear that extra information coming out of your speakers or > headphones and deciphering into your brain for reading, but it is > feasible. > Besides some of you crank that voice rate on your screen readers pretty > high. At least for me. I don't' want to rely so much on a reader just to > tell me, "hey this text is displaying in italics, red, and underlined." > while my screen reader can be my own reader for that. Isn't why such > software is called "screen reader"? Because it reads to you. [smile!] > > Hope this helps you, and I am sorry if I'm starting a hot debate in here > about using real readers Vs. JAWS for editing font attributes. > > Cheers, > Humberto > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Ashley Bramlett > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 1:28 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style > > gee, Josh, lots of people hate formatting. Its just a little harder for us > since we cannot see it so someone has to tell us. > It used to be that you put the article in quotes and underlined book or > chapter titles.From what I can see so far, this is no longer the case. > You start it the same though. Just do not put quotes or underlines; its > still author's name, date in parenthesis, title of article or book, title > of > > journal. then not sure. > > I'll ask someone sighted yeah, but I need to learn. I can certainly bold > or > italic something if I know what need to be bolded/italiacized. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 3:52 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style > > I've always hated APA format! > It's very confusing! > My Freshmen English instructor made us use it, so I had a sighted > work-study > help me format it. > I'd recommend this, as well. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 4/23/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I'm struggling with the citation style as usual. Jaws doesn't tell me >> the formatting of the words and I went word by word to hear >> punctuation in the sample reference entry I looked up. I do have to > alphabetize them, right? > >> I >> know you do in MLA. >> >> How Do I format the Journal title and title of article? Do I put >> italics or anything on it? Before there were quotes around the title >> of article, but when I looked online now, there are none. >> How do I site the volume number and issue? The sample says number and >> a parenthese number. I'm confused. I know I site the page number range >> after this. Like do I write Journal of Adolescent psychology, 3 (24) >> and the 3 is volume number and 24 is issue number? >> >> Thanks. >> Ashley >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p > ccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. > net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. > net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/isaiah5719%40mchsi.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From vaneesssa.s at gmail.com Tue Apr 24 21:07:37 2012 From: vaneesssa.s at gmail.com (Vanessa Soares) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 22:07:37 +0100 Subject: [nabs-l] Help with masters degree dissertation Message-ID: Hi everyone, Apologies in advance for the wide distribution. I am a post-graduate student in Trinity College Dublin, Ireland, and as part of my Masters degree dissertation I am conducting an online survey to understand how social networking sites have impacted on the day-to-day lives of people with visual impairments. I am visually impaired myself and would really appreciate if you take part. The survey takes approximately 10 minutes, and you can opt to enter a draw to win an Amazon voucher of 50 Euro (or equivalent). The survey is anonymous and available on https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/soares If you have any questions, please feel free to email me directly. Kind regards, Vanessa Soares Trinity College Dublin, Ireland School of Computer Science and Statistics Department of Computer Science From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Apr 24 21:12:37 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 17:12:37 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] newsline question Message-ID: <4f971776.c8bde00a.3951.ffffb328@mx.google.com> The toll-free Newsline number is 1-888-882-1629. Chris Nusbaum "For we walk by faith, not by sight." 2 Corinthians 5:7 Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Trey Bradley wrote: Hello, What is the command on NFB newsline to email the article? I thought it was star 1, but when I do that it takes me to the main minue of the newspaper. Anmol I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers. Hellen Keller _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/treyman19%40g mail.com -- Roosevelt Bradley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Tue Apr 24 22:28:30 2012 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 15:28:30 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [nfbwatlk] {Disarmed} defend public transit Message-ID: <1928AAADE354444A924DCE7F151FF3BA@HUMBERTOAVILA> Attention students, workers, and everybody who uses public transportation: Below is a very important FYI for you. Please read carefully and pass it along to other networks and people. Thank you. Message follows: -----Original Message----- From: nfbwatlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfbwatlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of goldbeckjm at comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 3:17 PM To: nfbwatlk at nfbnet.org Subject: [nfbwatlk] {Disarmed} defend public transit This is from www.defendpublictransit.com Don't Let Funding End for Public Transportation! Contact Your Elected Official Contact Your Elected Official Tell Congress: "Act now to preserve Public Transportation funding!" Public transportation funding is in jeopardy and we need you to take action. Write your members of Congress today and tell them: "Don't let funding end for public transportation!" Without Congressional action in the next two months, funding for public transportation will lapse. In fact, federal funding for all surface transportation will lapse unless the House and the Senate can agree on a funding level. Without action, funding will end. This could lead to massive cutbacks of service and result in an unprecedented nightmare for commuters across the nation. We need you to write your members and ask them to pass a bill funding public transportation immediately. Take action today, spread the word and keep up the pressure! _______________________________________________ nfbwatlk mailing list nfbwatlk at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbwatlk_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nfbwatlk: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbwatlk_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%4 0gmail.com From pgradioman at hotmail.com Tue Apr 24 23:42:20 2012 From: pgradioman at hotmail.com (Preston Gaylor) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 18:42:20 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] New to the list. In-Reply-To: <4f95c8aa.c8bde00a.3951.ffffea1a@mx.google.com> References: <4f95c8aa.c8bde00a.3951.ffffea1a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hey John! Welcome! I am preston Gaylor and I am currently a junior. I am from PA. I love to meet new folks as well so if you need anything relating to blindness, you're at the right list. Have a good day and great to meet you! > Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 17:24:10 -0400 > From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New to the list. > > Hi John, > > Welcome to the list!! This is a great place for networking, and I > hope you will find it useful! My name is Chris, and I'm an 8th > grade student here in Maryland. I'm probably the youngest, or > one of the youngest, people on this list, but I still enjoy > reading and contributing to the list. I'm very active in the NFB > and in NABS, but I don't have any problem with you staying > neutral; that decision is up to you. If you are able to make it > to convention, that would be great! NABS has a lot of events at > convention which you might be interested in, including our annual > business meeting and Monte Carlo night, a fund raiser for NABS > where participants have fun playing table games such as Poker and > Blackjack! There's usually a NABS membership conference call > sometime in June about national convention and the NABS events at > the convention, so you might want to join that call if you are > interested! Again, welcome to the list! > > Chris > > Chris Nusbaum > > "For we walk by faith, not by sight." > 2 Corinthians 5:7 > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Moore To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > sent: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 23:41:18 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] New to the list. > > Hi everyone. I'm John Moore; I'm sure a lot of you know me from > Facebook. I am currently doing core curriculum classes at a > community college in Fort Worth, Tx, with an eye to becoming an > organ performance major at the University of North Texas or > another school. I choose to be neutral and not join either > organization of the blind for personal reasons that I do not want > to disclose. You all will be about 45 minutes away from me when > you come to national convention. I've thought about coming for a > student-oriented event, but I do not know yet. I am very > severely hearing-impaired as well, to the point where I can do > very little independent travel. I can't cross roads by myself > anymore, and I use paratransit to get places I need to go if I > can't get driven. I am on this list mainly for networking > purposes. I hope to get to know all of you better. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pgradioman%40hotmail.com From jorge.paez1994 at gmail.com Tue Apr 24 23:56:06 2012 From: jorge.paez1994 at gmail.com (Jorge Paez) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 19:56:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Community Service options In-Reply-To: References: <4f95c8aa.c8bde00a.3951.ffffea1a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <3D6B2DAE-1AA3-4E13-918C-4D356DF82356@gmail.com> Hello all: Sorry I haven't been on the list in a while, but its been a crazy year academically speaking. A few days ago, I was made aware of an issue with my current graduation requirements, which is the Community Service part of my school's graduation standards. Up to then I had no idea that Community Service was required, but according to my guidance councilor I believe they require about a hundred hours of community service before graduation. Does anyone have any experience in Community Service? If so, what are the possibilities and the adaptions or modifications required? Thanks, Jorge From dandrews at visi.com Wed Apr 25 00:17:29 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 19:17:29 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] DBT 11.1 SR4 is Now Available to Download Message-ID: Subject: [duxnews] DBT 11.1 SR4 is Now Available to Download DBT 11.1 SR4 is primarily a maintenance release. This fixes an issue that created problems while editing documents for a small number of users. We now add support for A4 paper for the Index Basic-D V4 embosser. We now support contracted braille for Croatian. To download DBT 11.1 SR4, open DBT and go to Help/Check for Updates (Alt-H-U). Or you can download it from our web site: www.duxburysystems.com All the best, Anne Ronco email: info at duxsys.com Duxbury Systems, Inc. 270 Littleton Road, #6; Westford, MA 01886-3523 USA TEL: + 978-692-3000 FAX: + 978-692-7912 Email (general): info at duxsys.com Web site: http://www.DuxburySystems.com Duxbury Systems, the first name in software for Braille - since 1975. From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Wed Apr 25 00:22:37 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 20:22:37 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] [Blindtlk] FW: [nfbwatlk] {Disarmed} defend public transit In-Reply-To: <1928AAADE354444A924DCE7F151FF3BA@HUMBERTOAVILA> References: <1928AAADE354444A924DCE7F151FF3BA@HUMBERTOAVILA> Message-ID: <002f01cd2279$85ec3750$91c4a5f0$@gmail.com> Humberto, I'm afraid we don't have enough information here. For example, what is the bill number and the bill name? All that was in the email was "a bill" which would allow funding to continue for public transportation. One thing I have learned in my advocacy efforts with Congress and with our state legislature is the more specific you are in your advocacy, the more seriously they will take your purpose. In other words, if you don't even know the exact name of the bill or its bill number, they're not going to take you seriously. That's one of the first things they told us at the NFB's Leadership and Advocacy in Washington (LAW) Program. So, if you can provide us with some more specific information on this bill and how exactly funding for public transportation is in jeopardy, I would be more than willing to write my Congressman as well as to circulate this email, as I think it is a very important issue for blind people if it is in fact true. I'm not saying that you're not telling the truth or that you don't know what you're talking about, as you only forwarded the email to us. I'm not trying to "shoot the messenger!" I just think we need a little more information before we go ahead with our advocacy efforts, especially contacting Congress. Also, once you have gotten this information, I would notify our national office about this, as I think this would be an issue the Federation as a whole, or at least our national leaders, should know about and that the Federation should advocate for if this bill and petition is a valid one. For this issue, I would contact the governmental affairs team at our national office, mainly John Par'e and/or Jesse Hartle. John is the executive director for strategic initiatives for the NFB, and Jesse is a government program specialist. John's email address is jpare at nfb.org, and Jesse's is jhartle at nfb.org. Thanks, Chris Nusbaum P.S. FYI, messages sent by somebody who isn't the list owner to the NFBNet Members list won't get posted. In other words, Dave Andrews is the only person who can post to the members or the master list. -----Original Message----- From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Humberto Avila Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 6:28 PM To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org; nfb-talk at nfbnet.org; nabs-l at nfbnet.org Cc: deniserob at gmail.com; jessBrl at fastmail.fm; ssWyatt91 at gmail.com; shaneRead at fastmail.fm; nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org; villagers at gmail.com Subject: [Blindtlk] FW: [nfbwatlk] {Disarmed} defend public transit Attention students, workers, and everybody who uses public transportation: Below is a very important FYI for you. Please read carefully and pass it along to other networks and people. Thank you. Message follows: -----Original Message----- From: nfbwatlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfbwatlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of goldbeckjm at comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 3:17 PM To: nfbwatlk at nfbnet.org Subject: [nfbwatlk] {Disarmed} defend public transit This is from www.defendpublictransit.com Don't Let Funding End for Public Transportation! Contact Your Elected Official Contact Your Elected Official Tell Congress: "Act now to preserve Public Transportation funding!" Public transportation funding is in jeopardy and we need you to take action. Write your members of Congress today and tell them: "Don't let funding end for public transportation!" Without Congressional action in the next two months, funding for public transportation will lapse. In fact, federal funding for all surface transportation will lapse unless the House and the Senate can agree on a funding level. Without action, funding will end. This could lead to massive cutbacks of service and result in an unprecedented nightmare for commuters across the nation. We need you to write your members and ask them to pass a bill funding public transportation immediately. Take action today, spread the word and keep up the pressure! _______________________________________________ nfbwatlk mailing list nfbwatlk at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbwatlk_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nfbwatlk: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbwatlk_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%4 0gmail.com _______________________________________________ blindtlk mailing list blindtlk at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindtlk: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail .com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Wed Apr 25 00:31:41 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 20:31:41 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Community Service options In-Reply-To: <3D6B2DAE-1AA3-4E13-918C-4D356DF82356@gmail.com> References: <4f95c8aa.c8bde00a.3951.ffffea1a@mx.google.com> <3D6B2DAE-1AA3-4E13-918C-4D356DF82356@gmail.com> Message-ID: <003001cd227a$c9f00fc0$5dd02f40$@gmail.com> Jorge, Welcome back to the list! Actually, we have a whole division of and for blind people interested in community service. I would recommend checking them out by joining their list, which is at www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/comunity-service. They are also having a conference call on Sunday, April 29, which you might be interested in. I believe the announcement email said Darian Smith was going to be their guest speaker. Good luck, Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jorge Paez Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 7:56 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Community Service options Hello all: Sorry I haven't been on the list in a while, but its been a crazy year academically speaking. A few days ago, I was made aware of an issue with my current graduation requirements, which is the Community Service part of my school's graduation standards. Up to then I had no idea that Community Service was required, but according to my guidance councilor I believe they require about a hundred hours of community service before graduation. Does anyone have any experience in Community Service? If so, what are the possibilities and the adaptions or modifications required? Thanks, Jorge _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From gpaikens at gmail.com Wed Apr 25 01:15:49 2012 From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 20:15:49 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Community Service options In-Reply-To: <3D6B2DAE-1AA3-4E13-918C-4D356DF82356@gmail.com> References: <4f95c8aa.c8bde00a.3951.ffffea1a@mx.google.com> <3D6B2DAE-1AA3-4E13-918C-4D356DF82356@gmail.com> Message-ID: <416CBB22-535F-43C0-99C1-C56523D21CDE@gmail.com> Hi Jorge, There are all kinds of opportunities for a person who is blind to participate in community service. The adaptations that need to be made will of course depend on what projects you choose to participate in. A good place to start would be getting a list of suggested projects in your area from your school or by asking around to find out what other students are doing for their community service. This will get you brainstorming about what kinds of things you might be interested in doing and then what possible modifications you might need to make. One thing to remember is that doing service can be fun to do with others, and since everyone has to complete the requirement, its a good opportunity to work with friends on projects you might not feel confident tackling alone. Some pretty standard service project ideas are: After school tutoring at an elementary school/community program etc. You may not be able to read the student's assignments to them, but depending on how old the students are, they may be able to read enough for you to know how to help. Tutoring a younger blind student in blindness skills such as braille might work too, but I encourage you to at least try some things out of your comfort zone. Serving food at a homeless shelter/soup kitchen etc: Serving the food might be difficult, but you can always wash dishes. That's usually where I ended up because its where I was most comfortable, but you can really try anything you feel comfortable with. Playing bingo/cards at a local nursing home: Even if you don't have braille bingo sheets, the point of these activities is generally to give the residents a chance to relax. Many would be just as happy to have a nice person to talk to as have someone to play against them in bingo. And you can always bring a deck of braille playing cards. Sorting food/clothes at a local food bank/homeless shelter: Depending on how specifically they need stuff sorted, this could be a pretty easy job to do solo. Sometimes it is as simple as pulling all the cans out from a load of mixed groceries. You could also spend time volunteering for your local NFB chapter. I'm sure there are things your local chapter president could use help with, whether its technology, proofreading braille agendas for the next meeting, etc. Presidents are generally good at finding stuff for people to do :) Find stuff you are interested in and start thinking of ways you might be able to serve others in those areas. And definitely try to work with friends. It always makes the experience more enjoyable and it might help you feel comfortable trying more. Anyway, I hope some of these suggestions got you thinking. Feel free to ask more questions on here or on the community service list. There are lots of us who get into this stuff. Best of luck, -Greg On Apr 24, 2012, at 6:56 PM, Jorge Paez wrote: > Hello all: > Sorry I haven't been on the list in a while, but its been a crazy year academically speaking. > A few days ago, I was made aware of an issue with my current graduation requirements, which is the Community Service part of my school's graduation standards. > Up to then I had no idea that Community Service was required, > but according to my guidance councilor I believe they require about a hundred hours of community service before graduation. > > Does anyone have any experience in Community Service? > If so, what are the possibilities and the adaptions or modifications required? > > Thanks, > > Jorge > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Wed Apr 25 01:27:29 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 19:27:29 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] citing APA style In-Reply-To: <57F94895D3404386BC8A4A2DA906563E@Gloria> References: <9ABE6B0F31414ED28C789579CA4FDAB0@OwnerPC> <02947F1A81D845309A638A6B065C729E@HUMBERTOAVILA> <1A402974157848EBB70434427163D1AB@OwnerPC> <008f01cd221c$ae722fc0$0b568f40$@mchsi.com> <57F94895D3404386BC8A4A2DA906563E@Gloria> Message-ID: I think it's common for professors to allow all students to use whichever formatting system they prefer as long as they are consistent. Many of my professors did this even in upper-level courses. I think it makes sense because students in different majors will be trained in different formatting systems and it's not really helpful in the long term to keep switching back and forth. Another handy feature is Alt+Delete, which will tell you what page you are on and how far your cursor is from the top and left margins. This is good for checking to see how far your paragraph is indented. Arielle On 4/24/12, Gloria G wrote: > oops! I replied to the wrong message. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Loren" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 8:18 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style > > >> Also it is a good thing to have someone else check your work, if you have >> the time. Others will pick up things you missed, and that is in no way a >> bad reflection on you. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Ashley Bramlett >> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 8:08 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style >> >> Humberto, >> Jaws hase limitations where as a sighted person reads the whole liine and >> knows that say Sociology is italicized and Smith is not. >> You do not get this info unles you look for it and I don't always know >> where >> to look for it. Insert f is limiting because it tells you info relevant >> to >> that word only. I need to know where periods, commas, italics, etc are >> within the whole line in this case. The way to learn is to have it >> explained >> or see it brailled; braille is not an option in college; no braille >> reference book, so I have to learn by someone telling me. >> >> Also, I think I get it based on good explanations here; but having >> someone >> look over this stuff is not a bad idea, time permitting. After all, that >> is >> what tutoring is for in college. Most schools offer this. >> >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Humberto Avila >> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 6:31 PM >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style >> >> Hello Ashley and all. >> >> I'm not trying to criticize your screen reader usage. But can't you use >> your >> screen reader's specific commands to read font information and the like? >> Isn't there a way to tell colors and at least attempt to format them >> yourselves? I know I can do that with JAWS. The command for telling me >> the >> font information using JAWS is insert+F, and the command to tell me what >> color I am working with is insert+5, 5 meaning the number row on the >> keyboard. I'm not sure you can do that in NVDA, but there are also >> settings >> in NVDA that allow you to describe the font or text attributes. >> In the settings center (for jaws 12 and over) / configuration manager >> (jaws >> 11 and under), there are settings that tell JAWS how to do all sorts of >> things. Like there is a dialog box called the "speech and sounds scheme" >> where you can specify what you want JAWS to speak. In NVDA, you can go to >> the NVDA preferences menu and choose the "document formatting" dialog box >> >> in >> which you can specify the settings that you want, like what attributes >> you >> want NVDA to speak to you. My point is, yes you can request a reader, but >> don't just request a reader for these things that a screen reader can do >> for >> you. It might take you just a few seconds of your homework / study / >> testing >> time when you hear that extra information coming out of your speakers or >> headphones and deciphering into your brain for reading, but it is >> feasible. >> Besides some of you crank that voice rate on your screen readers pretty >> high. At least for me. I don't' want to rely so much on a reader just to >> tell me, "hey this text is displaying in italics, red, and underlined." >> while my screen reader can be my own reader for that. Isn't why such >> software is called "screen reader"? Because it reads to you. [smile!] >> >> Hope this helps you, and I am sorry if I'm starting a hot debate in here >> about using real readers Vs. JAWS for editing font attributes. >> >> Cheers, >> Humberto >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Ashley Bramlett >> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 1:28 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style >> >> gee, Josh, lots of people hate formatting. Its just a little harder for >> us >> since we cannot see it so someone has to tell us. >> It used to be that you put the article in quotes and underlined book or >> chapter titles.From what I can see so far, this is no longer the case. >> You start it the same though. Just do not put quotes or underlines; its >> still author's name, date in parenthesis, title of article or book, title >> >> of >> >> journal. then not sure. >> >> I'll ask someone sighted yeah, but I need to learn. I can certainly bold >> or >> italic something if I know what need to be bolded/italiacized. >> >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joshua Lester >> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 3:52 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style >> >> I've always hated APA format! >> It's very confusing! >> My Freshmen English instructor made us use it, so I had a sighted >> work-study >> help me format it. >> I'd recommend this, as well. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 4/23/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I'm struggling with the citation style as usual. Jaws doesn't tell me >>> the formatting of the words and I went word by word to hear >>> punctuation in the sample reference entry I looked up. I do have to >> alphabetize them, right? >> >>> I >>> know you do in MLA. >>> >>> How Do I format the Journal title and title of article? Do I put >>> italics or anything on it? Before there were quotes around the title >>> of article, but when I looked online now, there are none. >>> How do I site the volume number and issue? The sample says number and >>> a parenthese number. I'm confused. I know I site the page number range >>> after this. Like do I write Journal of Adolescent psychology, 3 (24) >>> and the 3 is volume number and 24 is issue number? >>> >>> Thanks. >>> Ashley >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p >> ccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. >> net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g >> mail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. >> net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/isaiah5719%40mchsi.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From mistydbradley at gmail.com Wed Apr 25 01:29:15 2012 From: mistydbradley at gmail.com (Misty Dawn Bradley) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 21:29:15 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Community Service options References: <4f95c8aa.c8bde00a.3951.ffffea1a@mx.google.com><3D6B2DAE-1AA3-4E13-918C-4D356DF82356@gmail.com> <416CBB22-535F-43C0-99C1-C56523D21CDE@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi George, You may also be able to look up nonprofit organizations in your area. Many of them look for volunteers. I myself am volunteering with a local adult literacy nonprofit that teaches and tutors adults and also teaches English to immigrants. There are many different types of nonprofit organizations, so there may be some in the area in which you are interested. Also, you could check with hospitals in your area to see if they have programs for volunteering. You could find a cause or area that you are passionate about as far as helping the community and go from there. Hth, Misty Original Message ----- From: "Greg Aikens" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Community Service options > Hi Jorge, > There are all kinds of opportunities for a person who is blind to > participate in community service. The adaptations that need to be made > will of course depend on what projects you choose to participate in. A > good place to start would be getting a list of suggested projects in your > area from your school or by asking around to find out what other students > are doing for their community service. This will get you brainstorming > about what kinds of things you might be interested in doing and then what > possible modifications you might need to make. One thing to remember is > that doing service can be fun to do with others, and since everyone has to > complete the requirement, its a good opportunity to work with friends on > projects you might not feel confident tackling alone. > > Some pretty standard service project ideas are: > After school tutoring at an elementary school/community program etc. You > may not be able to read the student's assignments to them, but depending > on how old the students are, they may be able to read enough for you to > know how to help. Tutoring a younger blind student in blindness skills > such as braille might work too, but I encourage you to at least try some > things out of your comfort zone. > Serving food at a homeless shelter/soup kitchen etc: Serving the food > might be difficult, but you can always wash dishes. That's usually where > I ended up because its where I was most comfortable, but you can really > try anything you feel comfortable with. > Playing bingo/cards at a local nursing home: Even if you don't have > braille bingo sheets, the point of these activities is generally to give > the residents a chance to relax. Many would be just as happy to have a > nice person to talk to as have someone to play against them in bingo. And > you can always bring a deck of braille playing cards. > Sorting food/clothes at a local food bank/homeless shelter: Depending on > how specifically they need stuff sorted, this could be a pretty easy job > to do solo. Sometimes it is as simple as pulling all the cans out from a > load of mixed groceries. > > You could also spend time volunteering for your local NFB chapter. I'm > sure there are things your local chapter president could use help with, > whether its technology, proofreading braille agendas for the next meeting, > etc. Presidents are generally good at finding stuff for people to do :) > > Find stuff you are interested in and start thinking of ways you might be > able to serve others in those areas. And definitely try to work with > friends. It always makes the experience more enjoyable and it might help > you feel comfortable trying more. > > Anyway, I hope some of these suggestions got you thinking. Feel free to > ask more questions on here or on the community service list. There are > lots of us who get into this stuff. > > Best of luck, > > -Greg > On Apr 24, 2012, at 6:56 PM, Jorge Paez wrote: > >> Hello all: >> Sorry I haven't been on the list in a while, but its been a crazy year >> academically speaking. >> A few days ago, I was made aware of an issue with my current graduation >> requirements, which is the Community Service part of my school's >> graduation standards. >> Up to then I had no idea that Community Service was required, >> but according to my guidance councilor I believe they require about a >> hundred hours of community service before graduation. >> >> Does anyone have any experience in Community Service? >> If so, what are the possibilities and the adaptions or modifications >> required? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Jorge >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Wed Apr 25 01:45:55 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 20:45:55 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] citing APA style In-Reply-To: References: <9ABE6B0F31414ED28C789579CA4FDAB0@OwnerPC> <02947F1A81D845309A638A6B065C729E@HUMBERTOAVILA> <1A402974157848EBB70434427163D1AB@OwnerPC> <008f01cd221c$ae722fc0$0b568f40$@mchsi.com> <57F94895D3404386BC8A4A2DA906563E@Gloria> Message-ID: Hi, Arielle! Tell that to my Freshmen English 1 instructor, who insisted, that all of our work, be done, in APA format! I'm glad, she's gone! Blessings, Joshua On 4/24/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: > I think it's common for professors to allow all students to use > whichever formatting system they prefer as long as they are > consistent. Many of my professors did this even in upper-level > courses. I think it makes sense because students in different majors > will be trained in different formatting systems and it's not really > helpful in the long term to keep switching back and forth. > Another handy feature is Alt+Delete, which will tell you what page you > are on and how far your cursor is from the top and left margins. This > is good for checking to see how far your paragraph is indented. > Arielle > > On 4/24/12, Gloria G wrote: >> oops! I replied to the wrong message. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Loren" >> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 8:18 AM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style >> >> >>> Also it is a good thing to have someone else check your work, if you >>> have >>> the time. Others will pick up things you missed, and that is in no way >>> a >>> bad reflection on you. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Ashley Bramlett >>> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 8:08 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style >>> >>> Humberto, >>> Jaws hase limitations where as a sighted person reads the whole liine >>> and >>> knows that say Sociology is italicized and Smith is not. >>> You do not get this info unles you look for it and I don't always know >>> where >>> to look for it. Insert f is limiting because it tells you info relevant >>> to >>> that word only. I need to know where periods, commas, italics, etc are >>> within the whole line in this case. The way to learn is to have it >>> explained >>> or see it brailled; braille is not an option in college; no braille >>> reference book, so I have to learn by someone telling me. >>> >>> Also, I think I get it based on good explanations here; but having >>> someone >>> look over this stuff is not a bad idea, time permitting. After all, that >>> is >>> what tutoring is for in college. Most schools offer this. >>> >>> Ashley >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Humberto Avila >>> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 6:31 PM >>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style >>> >>> Hello Ashley and all. >>> >>> I'm not trying to criticize your screen reader usage. But can't you use >>> your >>> screen reader's specific commands to read font information and the like? >>> Isn't there a way to tell colors and at least attempt to format them >>> yourselves? I know I can do that with JAWS. The command for telling me >>> the >>> font information using JAWS is insert+F, and the command to tell me what >>> color I am working with is insert+5, 5 meaning the number row on the >>> keyboard. I'm not sure you can do that in NVDA, but there are also >>> settings >>> in NVDA that allow you to describe the font or text attributes. >>> In the settings center (for jaws 12 and over) / configuration manager >>> (jaws >>> 11 and under), there are settings that tell JAWS how to do all sorts of >>> things. Like there is a dialog box called the "speech and sounds scheme" >>> where you can specify what you want JAWS to speak. In NVDA, you can go >>> to >>> the NVDA preferences menu and choose the "document formatting" dialog >>> box >>> >>> in >>> which you can specify the settings that you want, like what attributes >>> you >>> want NVDA to speak to you. My point is, yes you can request a reader, >>> but >>> don't just request a reader for these things that a screen reader can do >>> for >>> you. It might take you just a few seconds of your homework / study / >>> testing >>> time when you hear that extra information coming out of your speakers or >>> headphones and deciphering into your brain for reading, but it is >>> feasible. >>> Besides some of you crank that voice rate on your screen readers pretty >>> high. At least for me. I don't' want to rely so much on a reader just to >>> tell me, "hey this text is displaying in italics, red, and underlined." >>> while my screen reader can be my own reader for that. Isn't why such >>> software is called "screen reader"? Because it reads to you. [smile!] >>> >>> Hope this helps you, and I am sorry if I'm starting a hot debate in here >>> about using real readers Vs. JAWS for editing font attributes. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Humberto >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Ashley Bramlett >>> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 1:28 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style >>> >>> gee, Josh, lots of people hate formatting. Its just a little harder for >>> us >>> since we cannot see it so someone has to tell us. >>> It used to be that you put the article in quotes and underlined book or >>> chapter titles.From what I can see so far, this is no longer the case. >>> You start it the same though. Just do not put quotes or underlines; its >>> still author's name, date in parenthesis, title of article or book, >>> title >>> >>> of >>> >>> journal. then not sure. >>> >>> I'll ask someone sighted yeah, but I need to learn. I can certainly bold >>> or >>> italic something if I know what need to be bolded/italiacized. >>> >>> Ashley >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Joshua Lester >>> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 3:52 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style >>> >>> I've always hated APA format! >>> It's very confusing! >>> My Freshmen English instructor made us use it, so I had a sighted >>> work-study >>> help me format it. >>> I'd recommend this, as well. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 4/23/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I'm struggling with the citation style as usual. Jaws doesn't tell me >>>> the formatting of the words and I went word by word to hear >>>> punctuation in the sample reference entry I looked up. I do have to >>> alphabetize them, right? >>> >>>> I >>>> know you do in MLA. >>>> >>>> How Do I format the Journal title and title of article? Do I put >>>> italics or anything on it? Before there were quotes around the title >>>> of article, but when I looked online now, there are none. >>>> How do I site the volume number and issue? The sample says number and >>>> a parenthese number. I'm confused. I know I site the page number range >>>> after this. Like do I write Journal of Adolescent psychology, 3 (24) >>>> and the 3 is volume number and 24 is issue number? >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> Ashley >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p >>> ccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. >>> net >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g >>> mail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. >>> net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/isaiah5719%40mchsi.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From jorge.paez1994 at gmail.com Wed Apr 25 02:02:22 2012 From: jorge.paez1994 at gmail.com (Jorge Paez) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 22:02:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Community Service options In-Reply-To: References: <4f95c8aa.c8bde00a.3951.ffffea1a@mx.google.com><3D6B2DAE-1AA3-4E13-918C-4D356DF82356@gmail.com> <416CBB22-535F-43C0-99C1-C56523D21CDE@gmail.com> Message-ID: OK. Thanks for all your advice. :) Can anyone give me the link to the community service mailing list? The link that was posted earlier didn't work. On Apr 24, 2012, at 9:29 PM, Misty Dawn Bradley wrote: > Hi George, > You may also be able to look up nonprofit organizations in your area. Many of them look for volunteers. I myself am volunteering with a local adult literacy nonprofit that teaches and tutors adults and also teaches English to immigrants. There are many different types of nonprofit organizations, so there may be some in the area in which you are interested. Also, you could check with hospitals in your area to see if they have programs for volunteering. You could find a cause or area that you are passionate about as far as helping the community and go from there. > > Hth, > > Misty > > Original Message ----- From: "Greg Aikens" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 9:15 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Community Service options > > >> Hi Jorge, >> There are all kinds of opportunities for a person who is blind to participate in community service. The adaptations that need to be made will of course depend on what projects you choose to participate in. A good place to start would be getting a list of suggested projects in your area from your school or by asking around to find out what other students are doing for their community service. This will get you brainstorming about what kinds of things you might be interested in doing and then what possible modifications you might need to make. One thing to remember is that doing service can be fun to do with others, and since everyone has to complete the requirement, its a good opportunity to work with friends on projects you might not feel confident tackling alone. >> >> Some pretty standard service project ideas are: >> After school tutoring at an elementary school/community program etc. You may not be able to read the student's assignments to them, but depending on how old the students are, they may be able to read enough for you to know how to help. Tutoring a younger blind student in blindness skills such as braille might work too, but I encourage you to at least try some things out of your comfort zone. >> Serving food at a homeless shelter/soup kitchen etc: Serving the food might be difficult, but you can always wash dishes. That's usually where I ended up because its where I was most comfortable, but you can really try anything you feel comfortable with. >> Playing bingo/cards at a local nursing home: Even if you don't have braille bingo sheets, the point of these activities is generally to give the residents a chance to relax. Many would be just as happy to have a nice person to talk to as have someone to play against them in bingo. And you can always bring a deck of braille playing cards. >> Sorting food/clothes at a local food bank/homeless shelter: Depending on how specifically they need stuff sorted, this could be a pretty easy job to do solo. Sometimes it is as simple as pulling all the cans out from a load of mixed groceries. >> >> You could also spend time volunteering for your local NFB chapter. I'm sure there are things your local chapter president could use help with, whether its technology, proofreading braille agendas for the next meeting, etc. Presidents are generally good at finding stuff for people to do :) >> >> Find stuff you are interested in and start thinking of ways you might be able to serve others in those areas. And definitely try to work with friends. It always makes the experience more enjoyable and it might help you feel comfortable trying more. >> >> Anyway, I hope some of these suggestions got you thinking. Feel free to ask more questions on here or on the community service list. There are lots of us who get into this stuff. >> >> Best of luck, >> >> -Greg >> On Apr 24, 2012, at 6:56 PM, Jorge Paez wrote: >> >>> Hello all: >>> Sorry I haven't been on the list in a while, but its been a crazy year academically speaking. >>> A few days ago, I was made aware of an issue with my current graduation requirements, which is the Community Service part of my school's graduation standards. >>> Up to then I had no idea that Community Service was required, >>> but according to my guidance councilor I believe they require about a hundred hours of community service before graduation. >>> >>> Does anyone have any experience in Community Service? >>> If so, what are the possibilities and the adaptions or modifications required? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Jorge >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorge.paez1994%40gmail.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Wed Apr 25 03:17:03 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 21:17:03 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Community Service Call Info Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Gabe Cazares Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 15:46:47 -0500 Subject: [Txabs] FW: [Community-service] Community Service membership call April 29th! To: members at nfbtx.org, txabs at nfbnet.org Hi Everyone, Please see the message below from the Community Service Outreach committee, and consider attending this very informative conference call. ...Gabe Gabriel M. Cazares, 1st Vice President Texas Association of Blind Students - TABS (A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas) www.nfbtx.org/tabs Phone: 713-581-0619 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: community service Outreach Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 19:40:06 -0500 Subject: [Community-service] Community Service membership call April 29th! Hi, everyone! It's time once again for the Community Service Group Membership call! This month Darian Smith, the chair of the group, will be speaking about his experiences with service: why he serves, how he got involved with service, his first service project. and his experiences with Americorps, The call-in information is below, as well as included in the flyer attached to this message. Call: 1-218-339-3600 When: Sunday, April 29th at 6 ET. Hope to see you there! Julie -- Darian Smith "To dream what is possible and to put oneself in service of that dream is the formula for a life well lived." - Dr. Peter Benson ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1424 / Virus Database: 2411/4956 - Release Date: 04/24/12 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: april CS flyer.doc Type: application/msword Size: 24064 bytes Desc: not available URL: From freethaught at gmail.com Wed Apr 25 14:49:56 2012 From: freethaught at gmail.com (Antonio Guimaraes) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 10:49:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] citing APA style In-Reply-To: References: <9ABE6B0F31414ED28C789579CA4FDAB0@OwnerPC> <4EAF143D8C9149209B7B23D017C16402@OwnerPC> <73D7E053979840579A88479CDC4C291C@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <4F980F14.5080305@gmail.com> Hello Jush, I hate to break it to you but your laid back professor is doing more harm than good. If you are writing academic papers, you will be required to cite your sources, and format properly. I suspect the class does not require research, and therefore does not call for formatting. Turn in a paper full of misspelled words, and poorly written sentenses, and you may find out how much this professor does care. If he does not, he's the one that should be gone from teaching. Now, I hate taxes, I hate polution, I hate discrimination, I hate many things I guess. Dislike is more accurate. One of the things on the list of dislikes is citing work in my papers. But this is a required skill of college work. We must learn to cite either from memory or from referring to a style book. There is no getting around it, and no excuse for getting away with not doing it. That is not to say we don't use a variety of ways toaccomplish the task. One strategy I use is to write out a sheet in braille listing and giving examples of how to cite correctly. In this way I need not learn the skill from some web source each time I write a paper. I simply review my notes on it. I write my papers. I put my parenthetical notations in, and write my works cited page. I do not format the final draft. I pay a reader to spend 10 minutes with me and the paper, and format the thing. The reader does things I probably could learn to do myself, like hang indent entries on the works cited page. 10 minutes. Email the paper to the reader, call her up on the phone, ask how the paper looks, and instruct her to make minor tweaks, save, and send it back to me. This works for me, and I find it time and money well-spent. Not to mention I can run the work by another reader, and get some feedback like Ashley suggested. I would call this a short cut, and it is one I will likely take through most of my paper-writing career. I hate to break the news, but many presentations given by academics have been assembled by an administrative assistants. After all, the professor, researcher, or presenter's job it to think and communicate the message, not to be fussing with powerpoint, Word, or some other tool. These are just my thoughts, so I am not citing any other source in this message. Now cite often, and cite well. Antonio On 4/23/2012 11:32 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > I like the instructor, at my college, now. > He doesn't care, if a paper is done, in APA, or MLA, just as long as > it gets done. > He's very laid back, and he's very accomidating! > Blessings, Joshua > On 4/23/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > >> Arielle, >> Well then I'm alright then; I've cited journal articles the same way I do a >> real print source. Thing is the electronic example said retrieved from some >> url; but I'm not going to worry about it; after all, I gave credit to the >> source and it technically is a print source. >> I, too, like APA better because you don't have to give first and last names, >> and as you said no page numbers where you got the exact info. This is nicer >> to deal with when writing the paper. >> >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Arielle Silverman >> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 10:33 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style >> >> I always cite journal articles the same way regardless of how I found >> them. The only time I use the "retrieved from" is if I am citing a >> website that has no print equivalent, i.e. "Disability Compendium >> 2012". >> While you are learning APA format, you may want to change your JAWS >> voice settings so your punctuation is on most or total. Just do it >> while you are looking at examples, then switch it back. >> Since I am a psychology student, I switched completely from MLA to APA >> style during college and overall I like APA much better. I think >> that's mostly because with APA style you don't have to include an >> exact page number in your in-text citation, just the author's name and >> year. This works much better especially when reading sources >> electronically.. The only time you need to use a page number is when >> citing an exact quote. >> Best, >> Arielle >> >> On 4/23/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> >>> Hi, thanks Katie and Gret; great descriptions. >>> I have trouble learning this because of the punctuation and formatting and >>> the fact that citation style changes. As you get used to some rules, they >>> change it again! Before title of articles were in quotes. So the >>> parentheses is for >>> issue number in this latest APA style. >>> >>> One more thing, if you get the article from a database that is also a >>> print >>> source, what do you say? Do you put retrieved from psychinfo or something. >>> >>> I >>> do not have urls since the articles are pdfs so they look like the >>> original >>> journal article. >>> I'm citing the articles like print sources since that is what the >>> description says; I've also looked at the Purdue OWL site, but you add >>> something for electronic sources. >>> >>> Ashley >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Katie Wang >>> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 6:37 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style >>> >>> Hi Ashley, >>> >>> I understand that formatting citations can be a little annoying at >>> first, but after you learn the conventions you should be able to >>> format all your APA references independently. I'm not sure if you know >>> this already, but you can get JAWS to read you the formatting of any >>> selected section of the text by pressing Insert plus f. >>> >>> To answer your specific questions, the journal title and volume number >>> need to be italicized, and issue number should come in parentheses >>> after the volume number. Also note that you should apply a hanging >>> indent to your reference list-- In other words, the second and >>> subsequent lines of each reference should be indented from the left >>> margin by the width of a tab. Hope this helps and feel free to let me >>> know if you have any other questions about APA style-- I'm a >>> Psychology graduate student and have been doing this for a while. >>> Katie >>> >>> >>> >>> On 4/23/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> >>>> gee, Josh, lots of people hate formatting. Its just a little harder for >>>> us >>>> since we cannot see it so someone has to tell us. >>>> It used to be that you put the article in quotes and underlined book or >>>> chapter titles.From what I can see so far, this is no longer the case. >>>> You start it the same though. Just do not put quotes or underlines; its >>>> still author's name, date in parenthesis, title of article or book, title >>>> of >>>> >>>> journal. then not sure. >>>> >>>> I'll ask someone sighted yeah, but I need to learn. I can certainly bold >>>> or >>>> >>>> italic something if I know what need to be bolded/italiacized. >>>> >>>> Ashley >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 3:52 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style >>>> >>>> I've always hated APA format! >>>> It's very confusing! >>>> My Freshmen English instructor made us use it, so I had a sighted >>>> work-study help me format it. >>>> I'd recommend this, as well. >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>> >>>> On 4/23/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> I’m struggling with the citation style as usual. Jaws doesn’t tell me >>>>> the >>>>> formatting of the words and I went word by word to hear punctuation in >>>>> the >>>>> sample reference entry I looked up. I do have to alphabetize them, >>>>> right? >>>>> >>>>> I >>>>> know you do in MLA. >>>>> >>>>> How Do I format the Journal title and title of article? Do I put italics >>>>> or >>>>> anything on it? Before there were quotes around the title of article, >>>>> but >>>>> when I looked online now, there are none. >>>>> How do I site the volume number and issue? The sample says number and a >>>>> parenthese number. I’m confused. I know I site the page number range >>>>> after >>>>> this. Like do I write Journal of Adolescent psychology, 3 (24) and the 3 >>>>> is >>>>> volume number and 24 is issue number? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> Ashley >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freethaught%40gmail.com > From freethaught at gmail.com Wed Apr 25 15:10:23 2012 From: freethaught at gmail.com (Antonio Guimaraes) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 11:10:23 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Scholarships and their deadlines Message-ID: <4F9813DF.1010504@gmail.com> I attend an unconventional online school with rolling semesters. When my semester ended March 31, a new one began on the very next day. This means I am in school all year long, and need to pay attention to scholarship season around winter and spring. I have a few questions: 1. What are some scholarship databases available? 2. How would I find scholarships with deadlines on other times of the year, outside the December to ma range. 3. Are there scholarships you know of that we students should keep in mind? A list of blindness-related ones is good. A directory, or subject-related source or two will help. Sincerely, Antonio From freethaught at gmail.com Wed Apr 25 15:13:39 2012 From: freethaught at gmail.com (Antonio Guimaraes) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 11:13:39 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Student Slate, Finance Edition Message-ID: <4F9814A3.6050203@gmail.com> I don't know if this is something NABS would want to undertake, but here is an idea that came from writing my last message on scholarships. A comprehensive Student Slate article dealing with this and other student issues beyond blindness would be welcome. Perhaps a Student Slate, student finances edition to cover student loans, financial aid, fraud, saving, salary negotiation, earning expectations? There's a table of contents. NABS just needs to find the financial bright minds of the organization to write the stories. I'm not one of them. Prefer the arts myself. Yes, I did just sidestep writing a piece, but would love to read such an issue. Sincerely, Antonio Guimaraes From marsha.drenth at gmail.com Wed Apr 25 17:13:24 2012 From: marsha.drenth at gmail.com (Marsha Drenth) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 13:13:24 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Student Slate, Finance Edition In-Reply-To: <4F9814A3.6050203@gmail.com> References: <4F9814A3.6050203@gmail.com> Message-ID: <855EAEAADF8D4D37A50B32A1119B9685@Cptr233> Great idea! As a student at a major university, knowing how to navigate the scholarships, financial aid, grants, and loans has been overwhelming. Marsha -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Antonio Guimaraes Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 11:14 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Student Slate, Finance Edition I don't know if this is something NABS would want to undertake, but here is an idea that came from writing my last message on scholarships. A comprehensive Student Slate article dealing with this and other student issues beyond blindness would be welcome. Perhaps a Student Slate, student finances edition to cover student loans, financial aid, fraud, saving, salary negotiation, earning expectations? There's a table of contents. NABS just needs to find the financial bright minds of the organization to write the stories. I'm not one of them. Prefer the arts myself. Yes, I did just sidestep writing a piece, but would love to read such an issue. Sincerely, Antonio Guimaraes _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co m __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7045 (20120411) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7045 (20120411) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From missheather at comcast.net Wed Apr 25 17:38:13 2012 From: missheather at comcast.net (Heather Field) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 12:38:13 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Survey - RoboBraille in Education Message-ID: <3F24F7BC33DC4A2D93F7384DD6DE6492@HeatherAcer> This is a really great service and I encourage everyone who has used RoboBraille to let them know how useful it is to blind users. This survey is only a few questions and won’t take long to complete. This is a great opportunity to tell people how helpful it is when projects designed to help the blind actually get it right. They ask for our personal stories of how we use it. Best, Heather From: RoboBraille Users International 2012 Survey - RoboBraille in Education Dear RoboBraille user, As part of our EU Leonardo project (RoboBraille in Education) we have made a questionnaire for teachers and students, to find out how RoboBraille is used in educational context. The objective of the project is to collect new knowledge, as how RoboBraille can be used to teach reading to people with visual impairment. You will be a great deal of help if you answered the questionnaire. Answer the questionnaire here. Best regards, The RoboBraille Team To unsubscribe click here and send the mail. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Provide instruction to several students in a classroom lecture format. > >3. Provide instruction through exploratory learning. Find >practical uses for technology, such as being able to access bank >information, looking up books in a library, recipes, etc. > >4. Plan and develop a formalized curriculum in all areas of technology. > >5. Conduct a thorough written evaluation on each student in the >area of technical skills. > >6. Write comprehensive monthly reports on each student >describing progress made and goals to be completed. > >7. Assist in providing instruction and technical support to >staff and students. > >8. Employee is expected to facilitate classes and seminars where >all aspects of blindness are discussed. In addition, employee will >fully participate and assist in all center activities including rock >climbing, skiing, camping and other vital activities, promote the >positive philosophy of the Colorado Center for the Blind to >co-workers, students, and others, and provide support and guidance >to students throughout their program. > > > > >Requirements: Technology Instructor > >1. College degree in adaptive technology field and/or 2 years work >experience teaching all aspects of adaptive technology for the blind. > >3. Ability to plan, organize and develop curriculum and lessons. > >4. Must possess excellent written and verbal communication skills. > >5. Must demonstrate the ability to work with a variety of people in >all types of situations effectively. > >6. Must possess knowledge in the use of all adaptive technology for >the blind. > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Technology Instructor2.doc Type: application/msword Size: 29184 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Wed Apr 25 21:54:51 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 17:54:51 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Slowness of Notetakers was Re: College Message-ID: <4f9872dd.091be00a.388c.722f@mx.google.com> Even worse, then. Chris Nusbaum "For we walk by faith, not by sight." 2 Corinthians 5:7 Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: That's why it was slow, then; it was probably an mPower. I have never had the problem you describe on my Apex, although I did on my mPower. If you can afford an Apex or can get funding from rehab or another nonprofit (the Lions Club, for example,) I think it is a good investment. I don't have a lot of hands-on experience with the PacMate, although I did play around with one a little at the Braille Challenge conpetition in Los Angeles and have heard some podcast demos of it, and I think the BrailleNote is generally easier to navigate than the PacMate. That's just my personal opinion; if you are comfortable with the PacMate's layout and like it better than the BrailleNote, don't let me discourage you! Chris Nusbaum "For we walk by faith, not by sight." 2 Corinthians 5:7 Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Please define what you mean by slow. Have you used a BrailleNote? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" wrote: I'm not sure. I may be there, but I don't really know yet. I'll let you know if I will be. Thanks for the offer. I've tried to work the math on the BrailleNote, but even though you can do it, it's extremely slow and not good for taking notes. As for getting my book electronically, I would if I could find it and if it's readable. Most math isn't readable with a screen reader. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Joshua, You really could rephrase that as, "If possible, you could leave the Brailler." As has been stated, this does not seem to be an option. What works for you does not work for everyone. I know from experience that it is necessary to have a Brailler for certain types of math. Nicole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" wrote: Hi all. I was wondering if anyone could give me advice on this. I'm taking Calculus 2 in college and have to carry around several Braille volumes so that I can keep up, a Brailler, my BrailleNote, Braille paper, and an APH Graphing Aid for Mathematics, all in a huge rolling bag. I have reason to think that all this is messing up my back. I don't know how to lighten the load, but I can't keep carrxing it. I've already talked with the Office for Students with Disabilities coordinator, but they don't have any Braillers. How do any others on this list who are taking classes with huge Braille books and other things like this do it? Do you use a large bag like I do? Any advice here would be great! Thanks. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40 wavecable.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/readtobuild%4 0gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40 wavecable.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Wed Apr 25 22:08:50 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 18:08:50 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Student Slate, Finance Edition In-Reply-To: <4F9814A3.6050203@gmail.com> References: <4F9814A3.6050203@gmail.com> Message-ID: <646578647CFA476F8DAB20F2CE0C9131@OwnerPC> good idea -----Original Message----- From: Antonio Guimaraes Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 11:13 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Student Slate, Finance Edition I don't know if this is something NABS would want to undertake, but here is an idea that came from writing my last message on scholarships. A comprehensive Student Slate article dealing with this and other student issues beyond blindness would be welcome. Perhaps a Student Slate, student finances edition to cover student loans, financial aid, fraud, saving, salary negotiation, earning expectations? There's a table of contents. NABS just needs to find the financial bright minds of the organization to write the stories. I'm not one of them. Prefer the arts myself. Yes, I did just sidestep writing a piece, but would love to read such an issue. Sincerely, Antonio Guimaraes _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Wed Apr 25 22:16:26 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 18:16:26 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] citing APA style In-Reply-To: <4F980F14.5080305@gmail.com> References: <9ABE6B0F31414ED28C789579CA4FDAB0@OwnerPC> <4EAF143D8C9149209B7B23D017C16402@OwnerPC> <73D7E053979840579A88479CDC4C291C@OwnerPC> <4F980F14.5080305@gmail.com> Message-ID: Antonio, Actually, I don't think the professor is laid back. Josh said he had to cite, but he could choose APA or MLA; either, as long as it was done. So IMO this attitude was uncalled for. People have preferences and Josh was voicing his. Some professors let us pick the citation style. So its not something unique to Josh's professor. Citations with all their requirements like comma after volume number and period here and there are precise. So it’s a good idea to ask a reader to look at it or someone else. Many students do this if they are unsure how to cite or just need help. My school offers a tutoring service free for students; the tutors are students themselves who are in excellent academic standing. I have not done this. I use a reader instead usually in addition to reviewing the format with jaws. In my case, I'm pretty good with italicizing the right stuff but just need to learn where it goes since as I said APA rules keep changing. The directions many of you gave were great so now I know more about formatting citations. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Antonio Guimaraes Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:49 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style Hello Jush, I hate to break it to you but your laid back professor is doing more harm than good. If you are writing academic papers, you will be required to cite your sources, and format properly. I suspect the class does not require research, and therefore does not call for formatting. Turn in a paper full of misspelled words, and poorly written sentenses, and you may find out how much this professor does care. If he does not, he's the one that should be gone from teaching. Now, I hate taxes, I hate polution, I hate discrimination, I hate many things I guess. Dislike is more accurate. One of the things on the list of dislikes is citing work in my papers. But this is a required skill of college work. We must learn to cite either from memory or from referring to a style book. There is no getting around it, and no excuse for getting away with not doing it. That is not to say we don't use a variety of ways toaccomplish the task. One strategy I use is to write out a sheet in braille listing and giving examples of how to cite correctly. In this way I need not learn the skill from some web source each time I write a paper. I simply review my notes on it. I write my papers. I put my parenthetical notations in, and write my works cited page. I do not format the final draft. I pay a reader to spend 10 minutes with me and the paper, and format the thing. The reader does things I probably could learn to do myself, like hang indent entries on the works cited page. 10 minutes. Email the paper to the reader, call her up on the phone, ask how the paper looks, and instruct her to make minor tweaks, save, and send it back to me. This works for me, and I find it time and money well-spent. Not to mention I can run the work by another reader, and get some feedback like Ashley suggested. I would call this a short cut, and it is one I will likely take through most of my paper-writing career. I hate to break the news, but many presentations given by academics have been assembled by an administrative assistants. After all, the professor, researcher, or presenter's job it to think and communicate the message, not to be fussing with powerpoint, Word, or some other tool. These are just my thoughts, so I am not citing any other source in this message. Now cite often, and cite well. Antonio On 4/23/2012 11:32 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > I like the instructor, at my college, now. > He doesn't care, if a paper is done, in APA, or MLA, just as long as > it gets done. > He's very laid back, and he's very accomidating! > Blessings, Joshua > On 4/23/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > >> Arielle, >> Well then I'm alright then; I've cited journal articles the same way I do >> a >> real print source. Thing is the electronic example said retrieved from >> some >> url; but I'm not going to worry about it; after all, I gave credit to the >> source and it technically is a print source. >> I, too, like APA better because you don't have to give first and last >> names, >> and as you said no page numbers where you got the exact info. This is >> nicer >> to deal with when writing the paper. >> >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Arielle Silverman >> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 10:33 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style >> >> I always cite journal articles the same way regardless of how I found >> them. The only time I use the "retrieved from" is if I am citing a >> website that has no print equivalent, i.e. "Disability Compendium >> 2012". >> While you are learning APA format, you may want to change your JAWS >> voice settings so your punctuation is on most or total. Just do it >> while you are looking at examples, then switch it back. >> Since I am a psychology student, I switched completely from MLA to APA >> style during college and overall I like APA much better. I think >> that's mostly because with APA style you don't have to include an >> exact page number in your in-text citation, just the author's name and >> year. This works much better especially when reading sources >> electronically.. The only time you need to use a page number is when >> citing an exact quote. >> Best, >> Arielle >> >> On 4/23/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> >>> Hi, thanks Katie and Gret; great descriptions. >>> I have trouble learning this because of the punctuation and formatting >>> and >>> the fact that citation style changes. As you get used to some rules, >>> they >>> change it again! Before title of articles were in quotes. So the >>> parentheses is for >>> issue number in this latest APA style. >>> >>> One more thing, if you get the article from a database that is also a >>> print >>> source, what do you say? Do you put retrieved from psychinfo or >>> something. >>> >>> I >>> do not have urls since the articles are pdfs so they look like the >>> original >>> journal article. >>> I'm citing the articles like print sources since that is what the >>> description says; I've also looked at the Purdue OWL site, but you add >>> something for electronic sources. >>> >>> Ashley >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Katie Wang >>> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 6:37 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style >>> >>> Hi Ashley, >>> >>> I understand that formatting citations can be a little annoying at >>> first, but after you learn the conventions you should be able to >>> format all your APA references independently. I'm not sure if you know >>> this already, but you can get JAWS to read you the formatting of any >>> selected section of the text by pressing Insert plus f. >>> >>> To answer your specific questions, the journal title and volume number >>> need to be italicized, and issue number should come in parentheses >>> after the volume number. Also note that you should apply a hanging >>> indent to your reference list-- In other words, the second and >>> subsequent lines of each reference should be indented from the left >>> margin by the width of a tab. Hope this helps and feel free to let me >>> know if you have any other questions about APA style-- I'm a >>> Psychology graduate student and have been doing this for a while. >>> Katie >>> >>> >>> >>> On 4/23/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> >>>> gee, Josh, lots of people hate formatting. Its just a little harder for >>>> us >>>> since we cannot see it so someone has to tell us. >>>> It used to be that you put the article in quotes and underlined book or >>>> chapter titles.From what I can see so far, this is no longer the case. >>>> You start it the same though. Just do not put quotes or underlines; its >>>> still author's name, date in parenthesis, title of article or book, >>>> title >>>> of >>>> >>>> journal. then not sure. >>>> >>>> I'll ask someone sighted yeah, but I need to learn. I can certainly >>>> bold >>>> or >>>> >>>> italic something if I know what need to be bolded/italiacized. >>>> >>>> Ashley >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 3:52 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style >>>> >>>> I've always hated APA format! >>>> It's very confusing! >>>> My Freshmen English instructor made us use it, so I had a sighted >>>> work-study help me format it. >>>> I'd recommend this, as well. >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>> >>>> On 4/23/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> I’m struggling with the citation style as usual. Jaws doesn’t tell me >>>>> the >>>>> formatting of the words and I went word by word to hear punctuation in >>>>> the >>>>> sample reference entry I looked up. I do have to alphabetize them, >>>>> right? >>>>> >>>>> I >>>>> know you do in MLA. >>>>> >>>>> How Do I format the Journal title and title of article? Do I put >>>>> italics >>>>> or >>>>> anything on it? Before there were quotes around the title of article, >>>>> but >>>>> when I looked online now, there are none. >>>>> How do I site the volume number and issue? The sample says number and >>>>> a >>>>> parenthese number. I’m confused. I know I site the page number range >>>>> after >>>>> this. Like do I write Journal of Adolescent psychology, 3 (24) and the >>>>> 3 >>>>> is >>>>> volume number and 24 is issue number? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> Ashley >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freethaught%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Wed Apr 25 22:23:02 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 18:23:02 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] learning ally change with WMA Message-ID: <848A744B55644E7A80DF7FFCE361C37E@OwnerPC> Hi all, Do any of you use the WMA, windows media audio, to play books? How does it work? Do you navigate from chapter to chapter? If so how? I’d like to try it as it’s a convenient free way to do it before this change is taking place. Did you all know that in May Learning ally is no longer supporting WMA? They say due to industry standards they cannot offer WMA format anymore and are urging members to get a daisy player. I don’t know why they are taking away options. But this doesn’t sound good. Before I believe you could play their books in WMA format on any computer; now this won’t be the case. What do you all think? How do you play your learning ally books? And many daisy players humanware discontinued; like the victor reader classic and wave. Ashley From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Wed Apr 25 22:32:18 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 17:32:18 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] citing APA style In-Reply-To: References: <9ABE6B0F31414ED28C789579CA4FDAB0@OwnerPC> <4EAF143D8C9149209B7B23D017C16402@OwnerPC> <73D7E053979840579A88479CDC4C291C@OwnerPC> <4F980F14.5080305@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes! Citing sources is part of MLA, but all of the other stuff, that I'd have to get a reader for, in APA, was a problem, because I've set up different meetings, and they weren't very reliable! My professor, for Freshmen English 1, was APA only, and she helped me with it, because of my unreliable reader. Mr Forester, (my current professor,) who teaches all of the English, and Literature classes, doesn't care if the work is in APA, or MLA, but he does emphasize citing sources! Also, one reason why I like MLA, is because it stays the same. Ashley brought up a good down side, to APA. Blessings, Joshua On 4/25/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Antonio, > Actually, I don't think the professor is laid back. Josh said he had to > cite, but he could choose APA or MLA; either, as long as it was done. > So IMO this attitude was uncalled for. People have preferences and Josh was > > voicing his. Some professors let us pick the citation style. So its not > something unique to Josh's professor. Citations with all their requirements > > like comma after volume number and period here and there are precise. So > it’s > a good idea to ask a reader to look at it or someone else. Many students do > > this if they are unsure how to cite or just need help. My school offers a > tutoring service free for students; the tutors are students themselves who > are in excellent academic standing. > I have not done this. I use a reader instead usually in addition to > reviewing the format with jaws. In my case, I'm pretty good with > italicizing the right stuff but just need to learn where it goes since as I > > said APA rules keep changing. The directions many of you gave were great so > > now I know more about formatting citations. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Antonio Guimaraes > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:49 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style > > Hello Jush, > > I hate to break it to you but your laid back professor is doing more > harm than good. > > If you are writing academic papers, you will be required to cite your > sources, and format properly. I suspect the class does not require > research, and therefore does not call for formatting. > > Turn in a paper full of misspelled words, and poorly written sentenses, > and you may find out how much this professor does care. If he does not, > he's the one that should be gone from teaching. > > Now, I hate taxes, I hate polution, I hate discrimination, I hate many > things I guess. Dislike is more accurate. One of the things on the list > of dislikes is citing work in my papers. But this is a required skill of > college work. We must learn to cite either from memory or from referring > to a style book. There is no getting around it, and no excuse for > getting away with not doing it. > > That is not to say we don't use a variety of ways toaccomplish the task. > One strategy I use is to write out a sheet in braille listing and giving > examples of how to cite correctly. In this way I need not learn the > skill from some web source each time I write a paper. I simply review my > notes on it. > > I write my papers. I put my parenthetical notations in, and write my > works cited page. I do not format the final draft. I pay a reader to > spend 10 minutes with me and the paper, and format the thing. The reader > does things I probably could learn to do myself, like hang indent > entries on the works cited page. > > 10 minutes. Email the paper to the reader, call her up on the phone, ask > how the paper looks, and instruct her to make minor tweaks, save, and > send it back to me. > > This works for me, and I find it time and money well-spent. Not to > mention I can run the work by another reader, and get some feedback like > Ashley suggested. > > I would call this a short cut, and it is one I will likely take through > most of my paper-writing career. > > I hate to break the news, but many presentations given by academics have > been assembled by an administrative assistants. > > After all, the professor, researcher, or presenter's job it to think and > communicate the message, not to be fussing with powerpoint, Word, or > some other tool. > > These are just my thoughts, so I am not citing any other source in this > message. > > Now cite often, and cite well. > > Antonio > > > On 4/23/2012 11:32 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: >> I like the instructor, at my college, now. >> He doesn't care, if a paper is done, in APA, or MLA, just as long as >> it gets done. >> He's very laid back, and he's very accomidating! >> Blessings, Joshua >> On 4/23/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> >>> Arielle, >>> Well then I'm alright then; I've cited journal articles the same way I do >>> >>> a >>> real print source. Thing is the electronic example said retrieved from >>> some >>> url; but I'm not going to worry about it; after all, I gave credit to >>> the >>> source and it technically is a print source. >>> I, too, like APA better because you don't have to give first and last >>> names, >>> and as you said no page numbers where you got the exact info. This is >>> nicer >>> to deal with when writing the paper. >>> >>> Ashley >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Arielle Silverman >>> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 10:33 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style >>> >>> I always cite journal articles the same way regardless of how I found >>> them. The only time I use the "retrieved from" is if I am citing a >>> website that has no print equivalent, i.e. "Disability Compendium >>> 2012". >>> While you are learning APA format, you may want to change your JAWS >>> voice settings so your punctuation is on most or total. Just do it >>> while you are looking at examples, then switch it back. >>> Since I am a psychology student, I switched completely from MLA to APA >>> style during college and overall I like APA much better. I think >>> that's mostly because with APA style you don't have to include an >>> exact page number in your in-text citation, just the author's name and >>> year. This works much better especially when reading sources >>> electronically.. The only time you need to use a page number is when >>> citing an exact quote. >>> Best, >>> Arielle >>> >>> On 4/23/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, thanks Katie and Gret; great descriptions. >>>> I have trouble learning this because of the punctuation and formatting >>>> and >>>> the fact that citation style changes. As you get used to some rules, >>>> they >>>> change it again! Before title of articles were in quotes. So the >>>> parentheses is for >>>> issue number in this latest APA style. >>>> >>>> One more thing, if you get the article from a database that is also a >>>> print >>>> source, what do you say? Do you put retrieved from psychinfo or >>>> something. >>>> >>>> I >>>> do not have urls since the articles are pdfs so they look like the >>>> original >>>> journal article. >>>> I'm citing the articles like print sources since that is what the >>>> description says; I've also looked at the Purdue OWL site, but you add >>>> something for electronic sources. >>>> >>>> Ashley >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Katie Wang >>>> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 6:37 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style >>>> >>>> Hi Ashley, >>>> >>>> I understand that formatting citations can be a little annoying at >>>> first, but after you learn the conventions you should be able to >>>> format all your APA references independently. I'm not sure if you know >>>> this already, but you can get JAWS to read you the formatting of any >>>> selected section of the text by pressing Insert plus f. >>>> >>>> To answer your specific questions, the journal title and volume number >>>> need to be italicized, and issue number should come in parentheses >>>> after the volume number. Also note that you should apply a hanging >>>> indent to your reference list-- In other words, the second and >>>> subsequent lines of each reference should be indented from the left >>>> margin by the width of a tab. Hope this helps and feel free to let me >>>> know if you have any other questions about APA style-- I'm a >>>> Psychology graduate student and have been doing this for a while. >>>> Katie >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 4/23/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>> >>>>> gee, Josh, lots of people hate formatting. Its just a little harder >>>>> for >>>>> us >>>>> since we cannot see it so someone has to tell us. >>>>> It used to be that you put the article in quotes and underlined book >>>>> or >>>>> chapter titles.From what I can see so far, this is no longer the case. >>>>> You start it the same though. Just do not put quotes or underlines; >>>>> its >>>>> still author's name, date in parenthesis, title of article or book, >>>>> title >>>>> of >>>>> >>>>> journal. then not sure. >>>>> >>>>> I'll ask someone sighted yeah, but I need to learn. I can certainly >>>>> bold >>>>> or >>>>> >>>>> italic something if I know what need to be bolded/italiacized. >>>>> >>>>> Ashley >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>>> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 3:52 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style >>>>> >>>>> I've always hated APA format! >>>>> It's very confusing! >>>>> My Freshmen English instructor made us use it, so I had a sighted >>>>> work-study help me format it. >>>>> I'd recommend this, as well. >>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>> >>>>> On 4/23/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>> >>>>>> I’m struggling with the citation style as usual. Jaws doesn’t tell me >>>>>> the >>>>>> formatting of the words and I went word by word to hear punctuation >>>>>> in >>>>>> the >>>>>> sample reference entry I looked up. I do have to alphabetize them, >>>>>> right? >>>>>> >>>>>> I >>>>>> know you do in MLA. >>>>>> >>>>>> How Do I format the Journal title and title of article? Do I put >>>>>> italics >>>>>> or >>>>>> anything on it? Before there were quotes around the title of article, >>>>>> but >>>>>> when I looked online now, there are none. >>>>>> How do I site the volume number and issue? The sample says number and >>>>>> >>>>>> a >>>>>> parenthese number. I’m confused. I know I site the page number range >>>>>> after >>>>>> this. Like do I write Journal of Adolescent psychology, 3 (24) and the >>>>>> >>>>>> 3 >>>>>> is >>>>>> volume number and 24 is issue number? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>> Ashley >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freethaught%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From niall.j.gallagher.91 at gmail.com Wed Apr 25 22:32:40 2012 From: niall.j.gallagher.91 at gmail.com (Niall Gallagher) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 23:32:40 +0100 Subject: [nabs-l] Designing Promotional Material Message-ID: <5874B184-C53B-4FA0-94F2-B3C84D54FBD2@gmail.com> Hey Guys, I am on work placement at college and one of my future tasks is to design some promotional material for the night courses the institute offers. Would anyone have any tips on how they approached this task in the past? Are there some publishing packages which would be particularly accessible? Any information is greatly appreciated. Kindest regards, Niall Sent from my iPhone From anjelinac26 at gmail.com Wed Apr 25 22:39:54 2012 From: anjelinac26 at gmail.com (Anjelina) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 18:39:54 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] learning ally change with WMA In-Reply-To: <848A744B55644E7A80DF7FFCE361C37E@OwnerPC> References: <848A744B55644E7A80DF7FFCE361C37E@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <209C22766FF14438A29FB10640A0D015@AnjelinaPC> Since I have not learned how to play books on the computer, I use my Victor Stream to play Learning Ally books. -----Original Message----- From: Ashley Bramlett Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 6:23 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] learning ally change with WMA Hi all, Do any of you use the WMA, windows media audio, to play books? How does it work? Do you navigate from chapter to chapter? If so how? I’d like to try it as it’s a convenient free way to do it before this change is taking place. Did you all know that in May Learning ally is no longer supporting WMA? They say due to industry standards they cannot offer WMA format anymore and are urging members to get a daisy player. I don’t know why they are taking away options. But this doesn’t sound good. Before I believe you could play their books in WMA format on any computer; now this won’t be the case. What do you all think? How do you play your learning ally books? And many daisy players humanware discontinued; like the victor reader classic and wave. Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com Anjelina From debbiewunder at earthlink.net Wed Apr 25 22:45:44 2012 From: debbiewunder at earthlink.net (Debbie Wunder) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 17:45:44 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Community Service options References: <4f95c8aa.c8bde00a.3951.ffffea1a@mx.google.com><3D6B2DAE-1AA3-4E13-918C-4D356DF82356@gmail.com><416CBB22-535F-43C0-99C1-C56523D21CDE@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, if you enjoy reading, itis always fun to read to a group of children either at your public library, childrens hospital or an elementary school ----- Original Message ----- From: "Misty Dawn Bradley" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Community Service options > Hi George, > You may also be able to look up nonprofit organizations in your area. Many > of them look for volunteers. I myself am volunteering with a local adult > literacy nonprofit that teaches and tutors adults and also teaches English > to immigrants. There are many different types of nonprofit organizations, > so there may be some in the area in which you are interested. Also, you > could check with hospitals in your area to see if they have programs for > volunteering. You could find a cause or area that you are passionate about > as far as helping the community and go from there. > > Hth, > > Misty > > Original Message ----- > From: "Greg Aikens" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 9:15 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Community Service options > > >> Hi Jorge, >> There are all kinds of opportunities for a person who is blind to >> participate in community service. The adaptations that need to be made >> will of course depend on what projects you choose to participate in. A >> good place to start would be getting a list of suggested projects in your >> area from your school or by asking around to find out what other students >> are doing for their community service. This will get you brainstorming >> about what kinds of things you might be interested in doing and then what >> possible modifications you might need to make. One thing to remember is >> that doing service can be fun to do with others, and since everyone has >> to complete the requirement, its a good opportunity to work with friends >> on projects you might not feel confident tackling alone. >> >> Some pretty standard service project ideas are: >> After school tutoring at an elementary school/community program etc. You >> may not be able to read the student's assignments to them, but depending >> on how old the students are, they may be able to read enough for you to >> know how to help. Tutoring a younger blind student in blindness skills >> such as braille might work too, but I encourage you to at least try some >> things out of your comfort zone. >> Serving food at a homeless shelter/soup kitchen etc: Serving the food >> might be difficult, but you can always wash dishes. That's usually where >> I ended up because its where I was most comfortable, but you can really >> try anything you feel comfortable with. >> Playing bingo/cards at a local nursing home: Even if you don't have >> braille bingo sheets, the point of these activities is generally to give >> the residents a chance to relax. Many would be just as happy to have a >> nice person to talk to as have someone to play against them in bingo. >> And you can always bring a deck of braille playing cards. >> Sorting food/clothes at a local food bank/homeless shelter: Depending on >> how specifically they need stuff sorted, this could be a pretty easy job >> to do solo. Sometimes it is as simple as pulling all the cans out from a >> load of mixed groceries. >> >> You could also spend time volunteering for your local NFB chapter. I'm >> sure there are things your local chapter president could use help with, >> whether its technology, proofreading braille agendas for the next >> meeting, etc. Presidents are generally good at finding stuff for people >> to do :) >> >> Find stuff you are interested in and start thinking of ways you might be >> able to serve others in those areas. And definitely try to work with >> friends. It always makes the experience more enjoyable and it might help >> you feel comfortable trying more. >> >> Anyway, I hope some of these suggestions got you thinking. Feel free to >> ask more questions on here or on the community service list. There are >> lots of us who get into this stuff. >> >> Best of luck, >> >> -Greg >> On Apr 24, 2012, at 6:56 PM, Jorge Paez wrote: >> >>> Hello all: >>> Sorry I haven't been on the list in a while, but its been a crazy year >>> academically speaking. >>> A few days ago, I was made aware of an issue with my current graduation >>> requirements, which is the Community Service part of my school's >>> graduation standards. >>> Up to then I had no idea that Community Service was required, >>> but according to my guidance councilor I believe they require about a >>> hundred hours of community service before graduation. >>> >>> Does anyone have any experience in Community Service? >>> If so, what are the possibilities and the adaptions or modifications >>> required? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Jorge >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/debbiewunder%40earthlink.net From jorge.paez1994 at gmail.com Wed Apr 25 23:04:30 2012 From: jorge.paez1994 at gmail.com (Jorge Paez) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 19:04:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Student Slate, Finance Edition In-Reply-To: <646578647CFA476F8DAB20F2CE0C9131@OwnerPC> References: <4F9814A3.6050203@gmail.com> <646578647CFA476F8DAB20F2CE0C9131@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <42ABB58C-FF72-475B-9540-C3813B30CA84@gmail.com> Certainly. I think this would be very helpful. On Apr 25, 2012, at 6:08 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > good idea > > -----Original Message----- From: Antonio Guimaraes > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 11:13 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Student Slate, Finance Edition > > I don't know if this is something NABS would want to undertake, but here > is an idea that came from writing my last message on scholarships. > > A comprehensive Student Slate article dealing with this and other > student issues beyond blindness would be welcome. > > Perhaps a Student Slate, student finances edition to cover student > loans, financial aid, fraud, saving, salary negotiation, earning > expectations? There's a table of contents. NABS just needs to find the > financial bright minds of the organization to write the stories. I'm not > one of them. Prefer the arts myself. > > Yes, I did just sidestep writing a piece, but would love to read such an > issue. > > Sincerely, > > Antonio Guimaraes > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorge.paez1994%40gmail.com From anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com Wed Apr 25 23:10:30 2012 From: anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com (Anmol Bhatia) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:10:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] Scholarships and their deadlines In-Reply-To: <4F9813DF.1010504@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1335395430.1099.YahooMailClassic@web162006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> If you go to www.miusa.org there is a link somewhere with database all of the scholarships that are blind students. MIUSA is Mobility International USA (a clearing house which promotes international development projects and study opportunities for people with disabilities) and they also help international students with disabilities studying in US. The scholarship data base has a list of scholarships that international students with disability qualify for, but US students can also apply for those. The NFB, ACB, AFB scholarships are included in the data base. However, there will scholarships that you can apply for which will not be in the data base because international students do not qualify for them. Anmol I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers. Hellen Keller --- On Wed, 4/25/12, Antonio Guimaraes wrote: > From: Antonio Guimaraes > Subject: [nabs-l] Scholarships and their deadlines > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date: Wednesday, April 25, 2012, 10:10 AM > I attend an unconventional online > school with rolling semesters. When my semester ended March > 31, a new one began on the very next day. > > This means I am in school all year long, and need to pay > attention to scholarship season around winter and spring. > > I have a few questions: > > 1. What are some scholarship databases available? > > 2. How would I find scholarships with deadlines on other > times of the year, outside the December to ma range. > > 3. Are there scholarships you know of that we students > should keep in mind? A list of blindness-related ones is > good. A directory, or subject-related source or two will > help. > > Sincerely, > > Antonio > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbhatia%40yahoo.com > From anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com Wed Apr 25 23:20:38 2012 From: anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com (Anmol Bhatia) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:20:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] Student Slate, Finance Edition In-Reply-To: <42ABB58C-FF72-475B-9540-C3813B30CA84@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1335396038.42854.YahooMailClassic@web162003.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Another idea that NABS may want to consider is maybe writing a good sample essay so that students can see what a good essay looks like. Another idea since find a job is a big focus for blind students and blind people in general, is to write a good sample resume and a good sample cover-letter. Anmol I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers. Hellen Keller --- On Wed, 4/25/12, Jorge Paez wrote: > From: Jorge Paez > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Student Slate, Finance Edition > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date: Wednesday, April 25, 2012, 6:04 PM > Certainly. > I think this would be very helpful. > > > On Apr 25, 2012, at 6:08 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > > > good idea > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Antonio Guimaraes > > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 11:13 AM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > > Subject: [nabs-l] Student Slate, Finance Edition > > > > I don't know if this is something NABS would want to > undertake, but here > > is an idea that came from writing my last message on > scholarships. > > > > A comprehensive Student Slate article dealing with this > and other > > student issues beyond blindness would be welcome. > > > > Perhaps a Student Slate, student finances edition to > cover student > > loans, financial aid, fraud, saving, salary > negotiation, earning > > expectations? There's a table of contents. NABS just > needs to find the > > financial bright minds of the organization to write the > stories. I'm not > > one of them. Prefer the arts myself. > > > > Yes, I did just sidestep writing a piece, but would > love to read such an > > issue. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Antonio Guimaraes > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorge.paez1994%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbhatia%40yahoo.com > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Wed Apr 25 23:46:38 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 19:46:38 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [BANA-Announce] New Braille Formats Publication Is Now Available In-Reply-To: <26403A4D987A9E48813E69BF7B8EC27B1760C859@PERK-VMBX01.Perkins.org> References: <26403A4D987A9E48813E69BF7B8EC27B1760C859@PERK-VMBX01.Perkins.org> Message-ID: <003c01cd233d$a9702a50$fc507ef0$@gmail.com> FYI: From: bana-announce-bounces at brailleauthority.org [mailto:bana-announce-bounces at brailleauthority.org] On Behalf Of Kim.Charlson at Perkins.org Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 8:46 PM To: BANA-Announce at Brailleauthority.org Subject: [BANA-Announce] New Braille Formats Publication Is Now Available EXCITING NEW RELEASE OF BRAILLE FORMATS IN THREE ACCESSIBLE VERSIONS! BANA is pleased to announce the immediate release of the new Braille Formats: Principles of Print-to-Braille Transcription, 2011. This completely revised publication is available in three accessible electronic versions: enhanced PDF, BRF, and online HTML. These are available at www.brailleauthority.org and are offered without charge. This is an extensive revision of the previous formats publication. Appendix A of the new publication provides a quick reference of changes and additions. BANA wishes to thank the tireless members of the Braille Formats Technical Committee and their Chair Lynnette Taylor for their decade of work and commitment that made this publication possible. -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ BANA-Announce mailing list BANA-Announce at brailleauthority.org http://www.brailleauthority.org/mailman/listinfo/bana-announce From clb5590 at gmail.com Wed Apr 25 23:50:21 2012 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:50:21 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Designing Promotional Material In-Reply-To: <5874B184-C53B-4FA0-94F2-B3C84D54FBD2@gmail.com> References: <5874B184-C53B-4FA0-94F2-B3C84D54FBD2@gmail.com> Message-ID: I do not have a ton of experience with promotional material making, but I will say that this is an instance in which familiarizing yourself with a Mac would be helpful. If one is available, that is. Macs are good at placing things so they are presentable and has a lot more color schemes and formatting options that PC's do not have. Unfortunately, Pages is not the easiest to work with, but I know Keynote is. What I do with anything that needs to be presentable is to enter all of the text first and then make the formatting decisions that I think are best. Sometimes if you format as you type, formatting will get messed up as you type more, or you might keep typing in a certain font or color that you did not want to continue with. Then I have a reader look over it. If this is a group situation, you could take responsibilities that may not be as visual, but I think it is important to make sure that you do the same amount of work. You could look online or ask a sighted friend what colors go together and get an idea of a few fonts that work in certain situations, aka fun and eye-catching or professional. So I guess what I have to say is that readers are a definite must. You always want to make sure your promotional materials are visually appealing since they are meant to promote, but as a blind person, you can definitely educate yourself on what fonts, colors, and page setups work in which situations. Sometimes, basic computer classes offered at colleges or even in the community can be helpful. And as it was discussed in the posts about APA formatting, you can use insert f and insert 5 to find out font and color information if you want to double-check your work. If you do a lot of the same promotional materials, you can gain more confidence, and in some situations the necesity for a reader to check can go away. For example, unless I am turning in an essay for an application, I don't need a reader to look at any papers or flyers. I have enough experience and confidence with MS word to usually get things right, and I have never gotten negative feedback about incorrect formatting. So it definitely depends on the intricacy and importance of the assignment at hand as to whether a reader is worth it. Cindy On 4/25/12, Niall Gallagher wrote: > Hey Guys, > > I am on work placement at college and one of my future tasks is to design > some promotional material for the night courses the institute offers. > Would anyone have any tips on how they approached this task in the past? > Are there some publishing packages which would be particularly accessible? > > Any information is greatly appreciated. > > Kindest regards, > > Niall > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com > -- Cindy Bennett B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com 828.989.5383 From clb5590 at gmail.com Thu Apr 26 00:04:56 2012 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 17:04:56 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Student Slate Suggestions Message-ID: On behalf of the Slate committee, I would like to thank you for the suggestions. We will definitely take note of them and discuss them on our conference calls and see what we can do to make these happen. I could definitely see the perks of a FAFSA and scholarship finding article at the beginning of next year and perhaps an article about navigating financial aid offices at schools for the beginning of the next school year. I know from experience this process can be tedious. The only problem I run into is that each school's rules and procedures in regard to financial aid are different. But I can see the advantages of compiling an article with some commonalities that can hopefully give people a place to start. If anyone has experience with this or knows someone who perhaps works in a school's financial aid office that wouldn't mind writing an overview that could be transferrable to other schools than the one they work at, the committee would love to have their contact information. We love NABS members to share their insight and experiences with the group via the Slate, so please continue to give your suggestions to us. You can always post them to the list, or you can get in touch with Karen Anderson, Sean Whalen or myself directly. We are all NABS board members, and our contact information can be found here. http://www.nabslink.org/contact-us/index.php We would also love to have you write an article for us if you feel that you are particularly versed on an issue that you think readers would enjoy learning about, or if you have endured a unique experience. Please get in touch with us, so we can discuss your ideas. In each issue of the Slate, we also like to highlight what a student division is doing in more depth than the more frequent and shorter NABS bulletins. So, f your state student division has learned some strategies on being a division or running an event, other states would love to hear about these strategies and what you are doing. Those are just some ideas of the types of articles we search for. We look forward to hearing your suggestions and to continuing to publish a newsletter that is interesting and relevant to the NABS community. -- Cindy Bennett B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com 828.989.5383 From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Apr 26 00:09:00 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 20:09:00 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] learning ally change with WMA In-Reply-To: <848A744B55644E7A80DF7FFCE361C37E@OwnerPC> References: <848A744B55644E7A80DF7FFCE361C37E@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <004301cd2340$c9381f70$5ba85e50$@gmail.com> Ashley, I'm not sure about the WMA thing. Did RFB&D send that announcement out in an email to all of its members? If so, I haven't seen it, unless I missed it. To answer your question about how we play our RFBD books, I play mine on my Victor Reader Stream. My school's stupid firewall blocks the download of large files, including books, so I have to order the book in DAISY CD format, which I wish wasn't the case. I then use the Humanware Companion software on my computer to transfer the content on the DAISY CD onto my Stream. If you are interested in upgrading from the Classic to the Stream, I and most of my blind friends found the Stream to be very easy to learn. If you have any questions about using the Stream, feel free to email me off-list and I will try to help. I say the same to any other people on this list who might be having issues with your Streams or are interested in upgrading to the Stream, but have some questions. Also, if you ordered a DAISY copy of the book you need, I believe it can be played on a computer if you don't want a DAISY player such as the Stream. These DAISY CD's can be ordered from RFBD's Web site and mailed to you. By the way, to be honest, I find myself using RFBD less and less, and Bookshare more and more. There's just something I like about reading a book, especially one for school, in Braille, even if it is on a Braille display. Hope this helps, Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 6:23 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] learning ally change with WMA Hi all, Do any of you use the WMA, windows media audio, to play books? How does it work? Do you navigate from chapter to chapter? If so how? I’d like to try it as it’s a convenient free way to do it before this change is taking place. Did you all know that in May Learning ally is no longer supporting WMA? They say due to industry standards they cannot offer WMA format anymore and are urging members to get a daisy player. I don’t know why they are taking away options. But this doesn’t sound good. Before I believe you could play their books in WMA format on any computer; now this won’t be the case. What do you all think? How do you play your learning ally books? And many daisy players humanware discontinued; like the victor reader classic and wave. Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Apr 26 00:15:42 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 20:15:42 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [BANA-Announce] BANA Launches Blog - Welcomes Your Comments In-Reply-To: <26403A4D987A9E48813E69BF7B8EC27B1760D632@PERK-VMBX01.Perkins.org> References: <26403A4D987A9E48813E69BF7B8EC27B1760D632@PERK-VMBX01.Perkins.org> Message-ID: <004e01cd2341$b8f6f090$2ae4d1b0$@gmail.com> From: bana-announce-bounces at brailleauthority.org [mailto:bana-announce-bounces at brailleauthority.org] On Behalf Of Kim.Charlson at Perkins.org Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 5:38 PM To: BANA-Announce at brailleauthority.org Subject: [BANA-Announce] BANA Launches Blog - Welcomes Your Comments Press Release April 2012 For Immediate Release CONTACT: Frances Mary D'Andrea, Chair Braille Authority of North America Phone: 412-521-5797 Email: literacy2 at mindspring.com BANA Blog Welcomes Your Comments Expanding its social media contact points, BANA has added a blog to its website. The blog gives all those interested in the work of BANA a chance to read about and comment on BANA's current and ongoing activities. Just follow the "BANA Blog" link on the BANA website-www.brailleauthority.org -and you will be able to read posts by the Braille Authority of North America as well as by readers who respond. You can leave a comment by clicking on the title of the post, which serves as a link to the comment form. You can also reach the comment form by clicking on the speech balloon icon. You do not have to register on the blog site to be able to post comments. You can also follow the work of BANA by signing up for BANA-Announce, a one-way email list that disseminates news and information from the BANA Board and its 18 working committees. To join this news list, send a blank email message to bana-announce-subscribe at brailleauthority.org and follow the directions in the confirmation email that will be sent in response. You can also follow BANA on Facebook and Twitter! 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It's $20.00, but well worth it, in my opinion. There are human sounding voices, and standalone braille support if you turn the bookshare audio off so that it can only read with voiceover, and turn speech off. There is a download option in the app as well, and finally, I think it can play daisy books other than Bookshare, because it says it can in the app store description. Oh, and if anyone has this app and needs help on it, do feel free to let me know! :) Hth and thanks, Josh On 4/25/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Ashley, > > I'm not sure about the WMA thing. Did RFB&D send that announcement out in an > email to all of its members? If so, I haven't seen it, unless I missed it. > > To answer your question about how we play our RFBD books, I play mine on my > Victor Reader Stream. My school's stupid firewall blocks the download of > large files, including books, so I have to order the book in DAISY CD > format, which I wish wasn't the case. I then use the Humanware Companion > software on my computer to transfer the content on the DAISY CD onto my > Stream. If you are interested in upgrading from the Classic to the Stream, I > and most of my blind friends found the Stream to be very easy to learn. If > you have any questions about using the Stream, feel free to email me > off-list and I will try to help. I say the same to any other people on this > list who might be having issues with your Streams or are interested in > upgrading to the Stream, but have some questions. > > Also, if you ordered a DAISY copy of the book you need, I believe it can be > played on a computer if you don't want a DAISY player such as the Stream. > These DAISY CD's can be ordered from RFBD's Web site and mailed to you. By > the way, to be honest, I find myself using RFBD less and less, and Bookshare > more and more. There's just something I like about reading a book, > especially one for school, in Braille, even if it is on a Braille display. > > Hope this helps, > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Ashley Bramlett > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 6:23 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] learning ally change with WMA > > Hi all, > > Do any of you use the WMA, windows media audio, to play books? How does it > work? Do you navigate from chapter to chapter? If so how? > I’d like to try it as it’s a convenient free way to do it before this change > is taking place. > > Did you all know that in May Learning ally is no longer supporting WMA? They > say due to industry standards they cannot offer WMA format anymore and are > urging members to get a daisy player. I don’t know why they are taking away > options. But this doesn’t sound good. Before I believe you could play their > books in WMA format on any computer; now this won’t be the case. > > What do you all think? How do you play your learning ally books? And many > daisy players humanware discontinued; like the victor reader classic and > wave. > > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com > -- Sent via gmail.com Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com Skype: joshgregory93 twitter: JoshG93 From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Apr 26 00:25:51 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 20:25:51 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Survey - RoboBraille in Education In-Reply-To: <3F24F7BC33DC4A2D93F7384DD6DE6492@HeatherAcer> References: <3F24F7BC33DC4A2D93F7384DD6DE6492@HeatherAcer> Message-ID: <005a01cd2343$23a30680$6ae91380$@gmail.com> Heather, I don't see the questionnaire or a link to it. Where do we fill this survey out? Thanks, Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Heather Field Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 1:38 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Survey - RoboBraille in Education This is a really great service and I encourage everyone who has used RoboBraille to let them know how useful it is to blind users. This survey is only a few questions and won’t take long to complete. This is a great opportunity to tell people how helpful it is when projects designed to help the blind actually get it right. They ask for our personal stories of how we use it. Best, Heather From: RoboBraille Users International 2012 Survey - RoboBraille in Education Dear RoboBraille user, As part of our EU Leonardo project (RoboBraille in Education) we have made a questionnaire for teachers and students, to find out how RoboBraille is used in educational context. The objective of the project is to collect new knowledge, as how RoboBraille can be used to teach reading to people with visual impairment. You will be a great deal of help if you answered the questionnaire. Answer the questionnaire here. Best regards, The RoboBraille Team To unsubscribe click here and send the mail. From joshkart12 at gmail.com Thu Apr 26 00:31:30 2012 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (josh gregory) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 20:31:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Survey - RoboBraille in Education In-Reply-To: <005a01cd2343$23a30680$6ae91380$@gmail.com> References: <3F24F7BC33DC4A2D93F7384DD6DE6492@HeatherAcer> <005a01cd2343$23a30680$6ae91380$@gmail.com> Message-ID: If you have your iPod, try it with that. This is where apex falls short, not offering proper functionality. Hth. On 4/25/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Heather, > > I don't see the questionnaire or a link to it. Where do we fill this survey > out? > > Thanks, > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Heather Field > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 1:38 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Survey - RoboBraille in Education > > This is a really great service and I encourage everyone who has used > RoboBraille to let them know how useful it is to blind users. This survey is > only a few questions and won’t take long to complete. This is a great > opportunity to tell people how helpful it is when projects designed to help > the blind actually get it right. They ask for our personal stories of how we > use it. > Best, > Heather > > From: RoboBraille Users International 2012 > > > > Survey - RoboBraille in Education > Dear RoboBraille user, > > As part of our EU Leonardo project (RoboBraille in Education) we have made a > questionnaire for teachers and students, to find out how RoboBraille is used > in educational context. > > The objective of the project is to collect new knowledge, as how RoboBraille > can be used to teach reading to people with visual impairment. > > You will be a great deal of help if you answered the questionnaire. > > Answer the questionnaire here. > > Best regards, > The RoboBraille Team > > To unsubscribe click here and send the mail. > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com > -- Sent via gmail.com Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com Skype: joshgregory93 twitter: JoshG93 From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Apr 26 00:32:19 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 20:32:19 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Student Slate, Finance Edition In-Reply-To: <4F9814A3.6050203@gmail.com> References: <4F9814A3.6050203@gmail.com> Message-ID: <006001cd2344$0ad6f3e0$2084dba0$@gmail.com> Antonio, Great idea!! I think this would be useful for a lot of students! By the way, if you'd like to contact the Slate editors about this, you can email slate at nabslink.org or Karen Anderson at kea.anderson at gmail.com. This could also be the topic of a future NABS membership call. Thanks, Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Antonio Guimaraes Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 11:14 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Student Slate, Finance Edition I don't know if this is something NABS would want to undertake, but here is an idea that came from writing my last message on scholarships. A comprehensive Student Slate article dealing with this and other student issues beyond blindness would be welcome. Perhaps a Student Slate, student finances edition to cover student loans, financial aid, fraud, saving, salary negotiation, earning expectations? There's a table of contents. NABS just needs to find the financial bright minds of the organization to write the stories. I'm not one of them. Prefer the arts myself. Yes, I did just sidestep writing a piece, but would love to read such an issue. Sincerely, Antonio Guimaraes _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Wed Apr 25 23:31:45 2012 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail CMT) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 20:31:45 -0300 Subject: [nabs-l] Student Slate, Finance Edition In-Reply-To: <42ABB58C-FF72-475B-9540-C3813B30CA84@gmail.com> References: <4F9814A3.6050203@gmail.com><646578647CFA476F8DAB20F2CE0C9131@OwnerPC> <42ABB58C-FF72-475B-9540-C3813B30CA84@gmail.com> Message-ID: I agree. Rania, -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jorge Paez Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 8:05 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Student Slate, Finance Edition Certainly. I think this would be very helpful. On Apr 25, 2012, at 6:08 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > good idea > > -----Original Message----- From: Antonio Guimaraes > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 11:13 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Student Slate, Finance Edition > > I don't know if this is something NABS would want to undertake, but here > is an idea that came from writing my last message on scholarships. > > A comprehensive Student Slate article dealing with this and other > student issues beyond blindness would be welcome. > > Perhaps a Student Slate, student finances edition to cover student > loans, financial aid, fraud, saving, salary negotiation, earning > expectations? There's a table of contents. NABS just needs to find the > financial bright minds of the organization to write the stories. I'm not > one of them. Prefer the arts myself. > > Yes, I did just sidestep writing a piece, but would love to read such an > issue. > > Sincerely, > > Antonio Guimaraes > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorge.paez1994%40gmail.c om _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co m From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Apr 26 00:36:07 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 20:36:07 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Scholarships and their deadlines In-Reply-To: <4F9813DF.1010504@gmail.com> References: <4F9813DF.1010504@gmail.com> Message-ID: <006101cd2344$93026b50$b90741f0$@gmail.com> Antonio, There was an announcement sent out a while ago by Loraine Rovig at our national office to many of our lists about a 32-page listing of all scholarships available to the blind compiled by the Jewish Guild for the Blind. I'm sorry, I don't have the direct link, but a Google search for scholarships for the blind or something like that should give you some idea of the scholarships available. Thanks, Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Antonio Guimaraes Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 11:10 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Scholarships and their deadlines I attend an unconventional online school with rolling semesters. When my semester ended March 31, a new one began on the very next day. This means I am in school all year long, and need to pay attention to scholarship season around winter and spring. I have a few questions: 1. What are some scholarship databases available? 2. How would I find scholarships with deadlines on other times of the year, outside the December to ma range. 3. Are there scholarships you know of that we students should keep in mind? A list of blindness-related ones is good. A directory, or subject-related source or two will help. Sincerely, Antonio _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Apr 26 01:04:11 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 21:04:11 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Designing Promotional Material In-Reply-To: <5874B184-C53B-4FA0-94F2-B3C84D54FBD2@gmail.com> References: <5874B184-C53B-4FA0-94F2-B3C84D54FBD2@gmail.com> Message-ID: Nile, Great question! You could design basic flyers in word. Write the information up and choose a fancy font and add color to it. You will need sighted assistance to position the pictures; you can copy those from online and paste them in your document. Bullet lists and bold key words are good tips. If I write up something for an event I might say. Who: What: When: Where: Why? I explain the info after each W word and bold the W words: who, what, when, where and why. I think we could design better flyers if there was some accessible software! Adobe End design and microsoft publisher should be accessible at least somewhat. There is no excuse for microsoft publisher being inaccessible. I t could be tagged to describe the images and we then could create basic cards, flyers, and callendars with it. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Niall Gallagher Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 6:32 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Designing Promotional Material Hey Guys, I am on work placement at college and one of my future tasks is to design some promotional material for the night courses the institute offers. Would anyone have any tips on how they approached this task in the past? Are there some publishing packages which would be particularly accessible? Any information is greatly appreciated. Kindest regards, Niall Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Apr 26 01:14:30 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 21:14:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Designing Promotional Material In-Reply-To: References: <5874B184-C53B-4FA0-94F2-B3C84D54FBD2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3E61C2F5A83F4D0F853B0FC46EF79ECC@OwnerPC> Hi, Also, when you change colors and fonts, jaws announces the colors. As long as you don't have a dark color on dark background or light color on light background, you should be okay. Pick a nuetral color that stands out; I'd say blue or red would be fine. You will want help inserting and sizing images; but you can label them. Have the image under the text; usually putting it in the center of the page is eye-catching. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Cindy Bennett Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 7:50 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Designing Promotional Material I do not have a ton of experience with promotional material making, but I will say that this is an instance in which familiarizing yourself with a Mac would be helpful. If one is available, that is. Macs are good at placing things so they are presentable and has a lot more color schemes and formatting options that PC's do not have. Unfortunately, Pages is not the easiest to work with, but I know Keynote is. What I do with anything that needs to be presentable is to enter all of the text first and then make the formatting decisions that I think are best. Sometimes if you format as you type, formatting will get messed up as you type more, or you might keep typing in a certain font or color that you did not want to continue with. Then I have a reader look over it. If this is a group situation, you could take responsibilities that may not be as visual, but I think it is important to make sure that you do the same amount of work. You could look online or ask a sighted friend what colors go together and get an idea of a few fonts that work in certain situations, aka fun and eye-catching or professional. So I guess what I have to say is that readers are a definite must. You always want to make sure your promotional materials are visually appealing since they are meant to promote, but as a blind person, you can definitely educate yourself on what fonts, colors, and page setups work in which situations. Sometimes, basic computer classes offered at colleges or even in the community can be helpful. And as it was discussed in the posts about APA formatting, you can use insert f and insert 5 to find out font and color information if you want to double-check your work. If you do a lot of the same promotional materials, you can gain more confidence, and in some situations the necesity for a reader to check can go away. For example, unless I am turning in an essay for an application, I don't need a reader to look at any papers or flyers. I have enough experience and confidence with MS word to usually get things right, and I have never gotten negative feedback about incorrect formatting. So it definitely depends on the intricacy and importance of the assignment at hand as to whether a reader is worth it. Cindy On 4/25/12, Niall Gallagher wrote: > Hey Guys, > > I am on work placement at college and one of my future tasks is to design > some promotional material for the night courses the institute offers. > Would anyone have any tips on how they approached this task in the past? > Are there some publishing packages which would be particularly accessible? > > Any information is greatly appreciated. > > Kindest regards, > > Niall > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com > -- Cindy Bennett B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com 828.989.5383 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Apr 26 01:15:20 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 21:15:20 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] learning ally change with WMA In-Reply-To: References: <848A744B55644E7A80DF7FFCE361C37E@OwnerPC> <004301cd2340$c9381f70$5ba85e50$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <007101cd234a$0d4c51f0$27e4f5d0$@gmail.com> Yeah, you're right, dude! I think RFB&D also has an app. Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of josh gregory Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 8:26 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] learning ally change with WMA Reading in braille is much of a requirement in school nowadays, and it's weird to have a voice read it, no matter how human-sounding it may be. iOS has advantages here. I know some people may say iPod/iPhone/iPad is too expensive, and how is it relevant to this? Well, it is. Benetech has an app known as read2go. It's $20.00, but well worth it, in my opinion. There are human sounding voices, and standalone braille support if you turn the bookshare audio off so that it can only read with voiceover, and turn speech off. There is a download option in the app as well, and finally, I think it can play daisy books other than Bookshare, because it says it can in the app store description. Oh, and if anyone has this app and needs help on it, do feel free to let me know! :) Hth and thanks, Josh On 4/25/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Ashley, > > I'm not sure about the WMA thing. Did RFB&D send that announcement out > in an email to all of its members? If so, I haven't seen it, unless I missed it. > > To answer your question about how we play our RFBD books, I play mine > on my Victor Reader Stream. My school's stupid firewall blocks the > download of large files, including books, so I have to order the book > in DAISY CD format, which I wish wasn't the case. I then use the > Humanware Companion software on my computer to transfer the content on > the DAISY CD onto my Stream. If you are interested in upgrading from > the Classic to the Stream, I and most of my blind friends found the > Stream to be very easy to learn. If you have any questions about using > the Stream, feel free to email me off-list and I will try to help. I > say the same to any other people on this list who might be having > issues with your Streams or are interested in upgrading to the Stream, but have some questions. > > Also, if you ordered a DAISY copy of the book you need, I believe it > can be played on a computer if you don't want a DAISY player such as the Stream. > These DAISY CD's can be ordered from RFBD's Web site and mailed to > you. By the way, to be honest, I find myself using RFBD less and less, > and Bookshare more and more. There's just something I like about > reading a book, especially one for school, in Braille, even if it is on a Braille display. > > Hope this helps, > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 6:23 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] learning ally change with WMA > > Hi all, > > Do any of you use the WMA, windows media audio, to play books? How > does it work? Do you navigate from chapter to chapter? If so how? > I'd like to try it as it's a convenient free way to do it before this > change is taking place. > > Did you all know that in May Learning ally is no longer supporting > WMA? They say due to industry standards they cannot offer WMA format > anymore and are urging members to get a daisy player. I don't know why > they are taking away options. But this doesn't sound good. Before I > believe you could play their books in WMA format on any computer; now this won't be the case. > > What do you all think? How do you play your learning ally books? And > many daisy players humanware discontinued; like the victor reader > classic and wave. > > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail > .com > -- Sent via gmail.com Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com Skype: joshgregory93 twitter: JoshG93 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Apr 26 01:16:09 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 21:16:09 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Survey - RoboBraille in Education In-Reply-To: References: <3F24F7BC33DC4A2D93F7384DD6DE6492@HeatherAcer> <005a01cd2343$23a30680$6ae91380$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <007201cd234a$2aa6f7f0$7ff4e7d0$@gmail.com> I wasn't using my Apex; I'm using the PC and Microsoft Outlook. Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of josh gregory Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 8:32 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Survey - RoboBraille in Education If you have your iPod, try it with that. This is where apex falls short, not offering proper functionality. Hth. On 4/25/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Heather, > > I don't see the questionnaire or a link to it. Where do we fill this > survey out? > > Thanks, > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Heather Field > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 1:38 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Survey - RoboBraille in Education > > This is a really great service and I encourage everyone who has used > RoboBraille to let them know how useful it is to blind users. This > survey is only a few questions and won't take long to complete. This > is a great opportunity to tell people how helpful it is when projects > designed to help the blind actually get it right. They ask for our > personal stories of how we use it. > Best, > Heather > > From: RoboBraille Users International 2012 > > > > Survey - RoboBraille in Education > Dear RoboBraille user, > > As part of our EU Leonardo project (RoboBraille in Education) we have > made a questionnaire for teachers and students, to find out how > RoboBraille is used in educational context. > > The objective of the project is to collect new knowledge, as how > RoboBraille can be used to teach reading to people with visual impairment. > > You will be a great deal of help if you answered the questionnaire. > > Answer the questionnaire here. > > Best regards, > The RoboBraille Team > > To unsubscribe click here and send the mail. > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail > .com > -- Sent via gmail.com Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com Skype: joshgregory93 twitter: JoshG93 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Apr 26 01:17:22 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 21:17:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] learning ally change with WMA In-Reply-To: <004301cd2340$c9381f70$5ba85e50$@gmail.com> References: <848A744B55644E7A80DF7FFCE361C37E@OwnerPC> <004301cd2340$c9381f70$5ba85e50$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <789EAB5559E34D688D07B0D446D86567@OwnerPC> Chris, Yes it was announced in their emails to members. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 8:09 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] learning ally change with WMA Ashley, I'm not sure about the WMA thing. Did RFB&D send that announcement out in an email to all of its members? If so, I haven't seen it, unless I missed it. To answer your question about how we play our RFBD books, I play mine on my Victor Reader Stream. My school's stupid firewall blocks the download of large files, including books, so I have to order the book in DAISY CD format, which I wish wasn't the case. I then use the Humanware Companion software on my computer to transfer the content on the DAISY CD onto my Stream. If you are interested in upgrading from the Classic to the Stream, I and most of my blind friends found the Stream to be very easy to learn. If you have any questions about using the Stream, feel free to email me off-list and I will try to help. I say the same to any other people on this list who might be having issues with your Streams or are interested in upgrading to the Stream, but have some questions. Also, if you ordered a DAISY copy of the book you need, I believe it can be played on a computer if you don't want a DAISY player such as the Stream. These DAISY CD's can be ordered from RFBD's Web site and mailed to you. By the way, to be honest, I find myself using RFBD less and less, and Bookshare more and more. There's just something I like about reading a book, especially one for school, in Braille, even if it is on a Braille display. Hope this helps, Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 6:23 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] learning ally change with WMA Hi all, Do any of you use the WMA, windows media audio, to play books? How does it work? Do you navigate from chapter to chapter? If so how? I’d like to try it as it’s a convenient free way to do it before this change is taking place. Did you all know that in May Learning ally is no longer supporting WMA? They say due to industry standards they cannot offer WMA format anymore and are urging members to get a daisy player. I don’t know why they are taking away options. But this doesn’t sound good. Before I believe you could play their books in WMA format on any computer; now this won’t be the case. What do you all think? How do you play your learning ally books? And many daisy players humanware discontinued; like the victor reader classic and wave. Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From opensesame at me.com Thu Apr 26 01:21:36 2012 From: opensesame at me.com (Bryan Jones) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 21:21:36 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] learning ally change with WMA In-Reply-To: <848A744B55644E7A80DF7FFCE361C37E@OwnerPC> References: <848A744B55644E7A80DF7FFCE361C37E@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hi Ashley, I listen to LearningAlly books via the LearningAlly App on my iPhone. The latest version of the App, released just last week I believe, allows you to download books directly to the IOS device without needing to tether to a Mac or PC. HTH, Bryan On Apr 25, 2012, at 6:23 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > What do you all think? How do you play your learning ally books? And many daisy players humanware discontinued; like the victor reader classic and wave. From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Apr 26 01:23:08 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 21:23:08 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] learning ally change with WMA In-Reply-To: <004301cd2340$c9381f70$5ba85e50$@gmail.com> References: <848A744B55644E7A80DF7FFCE361C37E@OwnerPC> <004301cd2340$c9381f70$5ba85e50$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Chris, I do already order the daisy cds and they are mailed to me. I don't think they are playable on the computer. If so, how do you do that? I thought you had to play them in a daisy player. As I said the daisy players are no longer made such as the victor reader wave. My wave is dying; it is old so I cannot play the daisy cds in them. playing a daisy cd on the pc would be great though if its doable. I also like reading braille betterand I assume you read on a braille display; those are very expensive and they wear out. my braille note display is wearing out and its pins of certain cells are weak. So consider yourself lucky to have a display if you daily use it. What format are bookshare books in anyway? Not audio? Its .brf right? If .brf, that is how you read them on your display I suppose. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 8:09 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] learning ally change with WMA Ashley, I'm not sure about the WMA thing. Did RFB&D send that announcement out in an email to all of its members? If so, I haven't seen it, unless I missed it. To answer your question about how we play our RFBD books, I play mine on my Victor Reader Stream. My school's stupid firewall blocks the download of large files, including books, so I have to order the book in DAISY CD format, which I wish wasn't the case. I then use the Humanware Companion software on my computer to transfer the content on the DAISY CD onto my Stream. If you are interested in upgrading from the Classic to the Stream, I and most of my blind friends found the Stream to be very easy to learn. If you have any questions about using the Stream, feel free to email me off-list and I will try to help. I say the same to any other people on this list who might be having issues with your Streams or are interested in upgrading to the Stream, but have some questions. Also, if you ordered a DAISY copy of the book you need, I believe it can be played on a computer if you don't want a DAISY player such as the Stream. These DAISY CD's can be ordered from RFBD's Web site and mailed to you. By the way, to be honest, I find myself using RFBD less and less, and Bookshare more and more. There's just something I like about reading a book, especially one for school, in Braille, even if it is on a Braille display. Hope this helps, Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 6:23 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] learning ally change with WMA Hi all, Do any of you use the WMA, windows media audio, to play books? How does it work? Do you navigate from chapter to chapter? If so how? I’d like to try it as it’s a convenient free way to do it before this change is taking place. Did you all know that in May Learning ally is no longer supporting WMA? They say due to industry standards they cannot offer WMA format anymore and are urging members to get a daisy player. I don’t know why they are taking away options. But this doesn’t sound good. Before I believe you could play their books in WMA format on any computer; now this won’t be the case. What do you all think? How do you play your learning ally books? And many daisy players humanware discontinued; like the victor reader classic and wave. Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Apr 26 01:29:50 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 21:29:50 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] learning ally change with WMA In-Reply-To: References: <848A744B55644E7A80DF7FFCE361C37E@OwnerPC> <004301cd2340$c9381f70$5ba85e50$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <007401cd234c$13e517c0$3baf4740$@gmail.com> Ashley, You can download Bookshare books in either DAISY audio, BRF, or now MP3 audio. Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 9:23 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] learning ally change with WMA Chris, I do already order the daisy cds and they are mailed to me. I don't think they are playable on the computer. If so, how do you do that? I thought you had to play them in a daisy player. As I said the daisy players are no longer made such as the victor reader wave. My wave is dying; it is old so I cannot play the daisy cds in them. playing a daisy cd on the pc would be great though if its doable. I also like reading braille betterand I assume you read on a braille display; those are very expensive and they wear out. my braille note display is wearing out and its pins of certain cells are weak. So consider yourself lucky to have a display if you daily use it. What format are bookshare books in anyway? Not audio? Its .brf right? If .brf, that is how you read them on your display I suppose. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 8:09 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] learning ally change with WMA Ashley, I'm not sure about the WMA thing. Did RFB&D send that announcement out in an email to all of its members? If so, I haven't seen it, unless I missed it. To answer your question about how we play our RFBD books, I play mine on my Victor Reader Stream. My school's stupid firewall blocks the download of large files, including books, so I have to order the book in DAISY CD format, which I wish wasn't the case. I then use the Humanware Companion software on my computer to transfer the content on the DAISY CD onto my Stream. If you are interested in upgrading from the Classic to the Stream, I and most of my blind friends found the Stream to be very easy to learn. If you have any questions about using the Stream, feel free to email me off-list and I will try to help. I say the same to any other people on this list who might be having issues with your Streams or are interested in upgrading to the Stream, but have some questions. Also, if you ordered a DAISY copy of the book you need, I believe it can be played on a computer if you don't want a DAISY player such as the Stream. These DAISY CD's can be ordered from RFBD's Web site and mailed to you. By the way, to be honest, I find myself using RFBD less and less, and Bookshare more and more. There's just something I like about reading a book, especially one for school, in Braille, even if it is on a Braille display. Hope this helps, Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 6:23 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] learning ally change with WMA Hi all, Do any of you use the WMA, windows media audio, to play books? How does it work? Do you navigate from chapter to chapter? If so how? I’d like to try it as it’s a convenient free way to do it before this change is taking place. Did you all know that in May Learning ally is no longer supporting WMA? They say due to industry standards they cannot offer WMA format anymore and are urging members to get a daisy player. I don’t know why they are taking away options. But this doesn’t sound good. Before I believe you could play their books in WMA format on any computer; now this won’t be the case. What do you all think? How do you play your learning ally books? And many daisy players humanware discontinued; like the victor reader classic and wave. Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Apr 26 01:30:34 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 21:30:34 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] learning ally change with WMA In-Reply-To: <789EAB5559E34D688D07B0D446D86567@OwnerPC> References: <848A744B55644E7A80DF7FFCE361C37E@OwnerPC> <004301cd2340$c9381f70$5ba85e50$@gmail.com> <789EAB5559E34D688D07B0D446D86567@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <007501cd234c$2dd9af60$898d0e20$@gmail.com> That's weird; I didn't get it. Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 9:17 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] learning ally change with WMA Chris, Yes it was announced in their emails to members. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 8:09 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] learning ally change with WMA Ashley, I'm not sure about the WMA thing. Did RFB&D send that announcement out in an email to all of its members? If so, I haven't seen it, unless I missed it. To answer your question about how we play our RFBD books, I play mine on my Victor Reader Stream. My school's stupid firewall blocks the download of large files, including books, so I have to order the book in DAISY CD format, which I wish wasn't the case. I then use the Humanware Companion software on my computer to transfer the content on the DAISY CD onto my Stream. If you are interested in upgrading from the Classic to the Stream, I and most of my blind friends found the Stream to be very easy to learn. If you have any questions about using the Stream, feel free to email me off-list and I will try to help. I say the same to any other people on this list who might be having issues with your Streams or are interested in upgrading to the Stream, but have some questions. Also, if you ordered a DAISY copy of the book you need, I believe it can be played on a computer if you don't want a DAISY player such as the Stream. These DAISY CD's can be ordered from RFBD's Web site and mailed to you. By the way, to be honest, I find myself using RFBD less and less, and Bookshare more and more. There's just something I like about reading a book, especially one for school, in Braille, even if it is on a Braille display. Hope this helps, Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 6:23 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] learning ally change with WMA Hi all, Do any of you use the WMA, windows media audio, to play books? How does it work? Do you navigate from chapter to chapter? If so how? I’d like to try it as it’s a convenient free way to do it before this change is taking place. Did you all know that in May Learning ally is no longer supporting WMA? They say due to industry standards they cannot offer WMA format anymore and are urging members to get a daisy player. I don’t know why they are taking away options. But this doesn’t sound good. Before I believe you could play their books in WMA format on any computer; now this won’t be the case. What do you all think? How do you play your learning ally books? And many daisy players humanware discontinued; like the victor reader classic and wave. Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From jorge.paez1994 at gmail.com Thu Apr 26 01:41:40 2012 From: jorge.paez1994 at gmail.com (Jorge Paez) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 21:41:40 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Designing Promotional Material In-Reply-To: References: <5874B184-C53B-4FA0-94F2-B3C84D54FBD2@gmail.com> Message-ID: Also, if you're printing these out, you could write up html, which has a lot of easy tags to use for formatting, and then print it out like you would any other document. Jorge On Apr 25, 2012, at 9:04 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Nile, > Great question! You could design basic flyers in word. Write the information up and choose a fancy font and add color to it. > You will need sighted assistance to position the pictures; you can copy those from online and paste them in your document. Bullet lists and bold key words are good tips. If I write up something for an event I might say. > Who: > What: > When: > Where: > Why? > > I explain the info after each W word and bold the W words: who, what, when, where and why. > > I think we could design better flyers if there was some accessible software! Adobe End design and microsoft publisher should be accessible at least somewhat. There is no excuse for microsoft publisher being inaccessible. I t could be tagged to describe the images and we then could create basic cards, flyers, and callendars with it. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- From: Niall Gallagher > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 6:32 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Designing Promotional Material > > Hey Guys, > > I am on work placement at college and one of my future tasks is to design some promotional material for the night courses the institute offers. > Would anyone have any tips on how they approached this task in the past? > Are there some publishing packages which would be particularly accessible? > > Any information is greatly appreciated. > > Kindest regards, > > Niall > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorge.paez1994%40gmail.com From cassonw at gmail.com Thu Apr 26 01:54:49 2012 From: cassonw at gmail.com (Bill) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 19:54:49 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] learning ally change with WMA In-Reply-To: References: <848A744B55644E7A80DF7FFCE361C37E@OwnerPC> <004301cd2340$c9381f70$5ba85e50$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, I use the FSReader program on my computer for both reding downloaded and for reading cds. It is a free program you can get from Freedom Scientific. You have to authorize it to play the Learning Ally books but if you are a member, it is easy to do and is also free. Bill On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 7:23 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Chris, > I do already order the daisy cds and they are mailed to me. I don't think > they are playable on the computer. If so, how do you do that? I thought you > had to play them in  a daisy player. As I said the daisy players are no > longer made such as the victor reader wave. > My wave is dying; it is old so I cannot play the daisy cds in them. playing > a daisy cd on the pc would be great though if its doable. > > I also like reading braille betterand I assume you read on a braille > display; those are very expensive and they wear out. my braille note display > is wearing out and its pins of certain cells are weak. So consider yourself > lucky to have a display if you daily use it. > What format are bookshare books in anyway? Not audio? Its .brf right? > If .brf, that is how you read them on your display I suppose. > Ashley > > > -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 8:09 PM > > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] learning ally change with WMA > > > Ashley, > > I'm not sure about the WMA thing. Did RFB&D send that announcement out in an > email to all of its members? If so, I haven't seen it, unless I missed it. > > To answer your question about how we play our RFBD books, I play mine on my > Victor Reader Stream. My school's stupid firewall blocks the download of > large files, including books, so I have to order the book in DAISY CD > format, which I wish wasn't the case. I then use the Humanware Companion > software on my computer to transfer the content on the DAISY CD onto my > Stream. If you are interested in upgrading from the Classic to the Stream, I > and most of my blind friends found the Stream to be very easy to learn. If > you have any questions about using the Stream, feel free to email me > off-list and I will try to help. I say the same to any other people on this > list who might be having issues with your Streams or are interested in > upgrading to the Stream, but have some questions. > > Also, if you ordered a DAISY copy of the book you need, I believe it can be > played on a computer if you don't want a DAISY player such as the Stream. > These DAISY CD's can be ordered from RFBD's Web site and mailed to you. By > the way, to be honest, I find myself using RFBD less and less, and Bookshare > more and more. There's just something I like about reading a book, > especially one for school, in Braille, even if it is on a Braille display. > > Hope this helps, > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Ashley Bramlett > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 6:23 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] learning ally change with WMA > > Hi all, > > Do any of you use the WMA, windows media audio, to play books? How does it > work? Do you navigate from chapter to chapter? If so how? > I’d like to try it as it’s a convenient free way to do it before this change > is taking place. > > Did you all know that in May Learning ally is no longer supporting WMA? They > say due to industry standards they cannot offer WMA format anymore and are > urging members to get a daisy player. I don’t know why they are taking away > options. But this doesn’t sound good.  Before I believe you could play their > books in WMA format on any computer; now this won’t be the case. > > What do you all think? How do you play your learning ally books? And many > daisy players humanware discontinued; like the victor reader classic and > wave. > > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cassonw%40gmail.com -- Bill Casson University of New Mexico M.S. Computer Science Lewis & Clark Alumnus '11 B.A. Physics and Math/Comp Sci. (505) 695-1374 cassonw at gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Apr 26 02:06:00 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 22:06:00 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] powerpoint questions Message-ID: <9D594943CF904534A915CF3BB84B0325@OwnerPC> Hi all, Well, I know how to create some basic powerpoint slides now. However, I’m not sure there are ways to do some of the visual stuff with the keyboard. Some questions: 1. I can apply the animations and transitions to different slides and place holders. I have to have someone sighted describe what each effect does unless I can see it well enough. Is there a way to tell where they are? Also does it say on the screen what the name of the animation or transition is? Maybe that is just something visual that is seen. I’m hoping jaws can tell you what animations and transitions you’ve applied; if I apply a glitter transition to slide 3 and checkerboard to slide 4, its easy to forget what I’ve done. Same with animations. Can jaws state what animations are what? In this way, you’d be abble to review where you applied them. 2. I can insert clip art and images. They are placed in the corner of the body place holder. Is there a way to resize them so they’re smaller? IS there a way to move the picture? This is normally done by dragging with the mouse. 3. Inserting smart art is a way to be more fancy. You can type on its images. Like if you insert a flow chart thing, you can write on each box. This was done in my intro to computer concepts class. However someone clicked on the boxes with the mouse for me to type. Is there a way to get into the image and type in it with the keyboard? 4. Is there a way to resize the place holders? I only heard of a way to do this with the mouse so far. 5. If I have an mp3 recording, can that be inserted in the presentation and played with some keyboard command? Thanks From nimerjaber1 at gmail.com Thu Apr 26 03:41:23 2012 From: nimerjaber1 at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Nimer_M=2E_Jaber=2C_IC=B3?=) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 23:41:23 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] powerpoint questions In-Reply-To: <9D594943CF904534A915CF3BB84B0325@OwnerPC> References: <9D594943CF904534A915CF3BB84B0325@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hello Ash, I try to hel you out with a couple of your questions, but I need to know which version of powerpoint you're using. I'm sorry if you've already mentioned this on list. Thanks. On 25.04.2012, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi all, > > Well, I know how to create some basic powerpoint slides now. > However, I’m not sure there are ways to do some of the visual stuff with the > keyboard. > > Some questions: > 1. I can apply the animations and transitions to different slides and place > holders. I have to have someone sighted describe what each effect does > unless I can see it well enough. Is there a way to tell where they are? Also > does it say on the screen what the name of the animation or transition is? > Maybe that is just something visual that is seen. I’m hoping jaws can tell > you what animations and transitions you’ve applied; if I apply a glitter > transition to slide 3 and checkerboard to slide 4, its easy to forget what > I’ve done. Same with animations. Can jaws state what animations are what? In > this way, you’d be abble to review where you applied them. > > 2. I can insert clip art and images. They are placed in the corner of the > body place holder. Is there a way to resize them so they’re smaller? IS > there a way to move the picture? This is normally done by dragging with the > mouse. > > 3. Inserting smart art is a way to be more fancy. You can type on its > images. Like if you insert a flow chart thing, you can write on each box. > This was done in my intro to computer concepts class. However someone > clicked on the boxes with the mouse for me to type. Is there a way to get > into the image and type in it with the keyboard? > > 4. Is there a way to resize the place holders? I only heard of a way to do > this with the mouse so far. > 5. If I have an mp3 recording, can that be inserted in the presentation and > played with some keyboard command? > > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%40gmail.com > -- Cordially, Nimer Jaber Please take the time to read this signature completely as it contains some information about the email you have just read and all attachments contained within as well as some valuable resources and methods for contacting me if you have any questions or wish to talk. The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient, please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents by anyone other than the intended recipient may result in civil or criminal action. I have checked this email and all corresponding attachments for security threats. However, security of your machine is up to you. Thanks. Registered Linux User 529141. http://counter.li.org/ Vinux testing and documentation coordinator To get more information about a free and accessible operating system, please click here: http://www.vinuxproject.org To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP and above, please click here: http://www.nvda-project.org You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news. Check out my blog related to technology by clicking here: http://nimertech.blogspot.com To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at (720) (251-4530) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly. Thank you, and have a great day! From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Apr 26 04:30:47 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 00:30:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] powerpoint questions In-Reply-To: References: <9D594943CF904534A915CF3BB84B0325@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <3A679B7B82C14BBD92B241796705D92C@OwnerPC> Nimer, it’s the latest. Its 2010. I noticed jaws will state some names like names of animations as you pick them in the ribbon. But it doesn't really say what backgrounds they have. It says background 1, 2, etc. So, I'm not sure some of powerpoint is accessible. I can definitely apply animations and transitions, but I'd like to know where they are and which ones I chose. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 11:41 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] powerpoint questions Hello Ash, I try to hel you out with a couple of your questions, but I need to know which version of powerpoint you're using. I'm sorry if you've already mentioned this on list. Thanks. On 25.04.2012, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi all, > > Well, I know how to create some basic powerpoint slides now. > However, I’m not sure there are ways to do some of the visual stuff with > the > keyboard. > > Some questions: > 1. I can apply the animations and transitions to different slides and > place > holders. I have to have someone sighted describe what each effect does > unless I can see it well enough. Is there a way to tell where they are? > Also > does it say on the screen what the name of the animation or transition is? > Maybe that is just something visual that is seen. I’m hoping jaws can tell > you what animations and transitions you’ve applied; if I apply a glitter > transition to slide 3 and checkerboard to slide 4, its easy to forget what > I’ve done. Same with animations. Can jaws state what animations are what? > In > this way, you’d be abble to review where you applied them. > > 2. I can insert clip art and images. They are placed in the corner of the > body place holder. Is there a way to resize them so they’re smaller? IS > there a way to move the picture? This is normally done by dragging with > the > mouse. > > 3. Inserting smart art is a way to be more fancy. You can type on its > images. Like if you insert a flow chart thing, you can write on each box. > This was done in my intro to computer concepts class. However someone > clicked on the boxes with the mouse for me to type. Is there a way to get > into the image and type in it with the keyboard? > > 4. Is there a way to resize the place holders? I only heard of a way to do > this with the mouse so far. > 5. If I have an mp3 recording, can that be inserted in the presentation > and > played with some keyboard command? > > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%40gmail.com > -- Cordially, Nimer Jaber Please take the time to read this signature completely as it contains some information about the email you have just read and all attachments contained within as well as some valuable resources and methods for contacting me if you have any questions or wish to talk. The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient, please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents by anyone other than the intended recipient may result in civil or criminal action. I have checked this email and all corresponding attachments for security threats. However, security of your machine is up to you. Thanks. Registered Linux User 529141. http://counter.li.org/ Vinux testing and documentation coordinator To get more information about a free and accessible operating system, please click here: http://www.vinuxproject.org To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP and above, please click here: http://www.nvda-project.org You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news. Check out my blog related to technology by clicking here: http://nimertech.blogspot.com To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at (720) (251-4530) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly. Thank you, and have a great day! _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From agrima at nbp.org Thu Apr 26 13:27:25 2012 From: agrima at nbp.org (Tony Grima) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 09:27:25 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] It's here: Our iPhone guide for iOS5! Message-ID: <006501cd23b0$52100410$f6300c30$@org> The update you've been waiting for... Getting Started with the iPhone and iOS5 for Blind Users by Anna Dresner with Dean Martineau In braille (3 volumes), eBraille, Word, ePUB, and DAISY formats, $22 The iPhone keeps getting better! This second edition contains new information since the release of iOS5 in October 2011, including the remarkable voice assistant Siri. Getting Started with the iPhone walks you through exploring and learning to use your iPhone in detail. You will learn how to set up your phone, load and back up music, contacts, etc., use the built-in apps and buy more! It includes an extensive reference sheet and the appendices include all the gestures used to operate the phone, as well as troubleshooting tips and a list of resources to help you learn more. Most of the book is also relevant for iPod Touch users. iPad screen layouts, on the other hand, are different enough that many of the details described will not apply, but information about configuring the iPhone and using the gestures will still be helpful. Look for our new book on the iPad this summer. Read the full table of contents - or place your order - at: http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/IPHONE-IOS5.html And don't miss these helpful iPhone books: Twenty-six Useful Apps for Blind iPhone Users, $9 http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/APPS.html iPhone Tactile Screenshot Quick Reference Guide, $27 http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/IPHONE-TACTILES.html ****** To order any books, send payment to: NBP, 88 St. Stephen Street, Boston, MA 02115-4302 Or call and charge it: toll-free (800) 548-7323 or (617) 266-6160 ext 520. Or order any of our books online at http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/publications/index.html. From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Thu Apr 26 14:29:32 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 09:29:32 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Smart Phone for Blind users Message-ID: This link was sent to me, by my college advisor. http://inhabitat.com/the-drawbraille-mobile-phone-by-shikun-sun-is-a-super-smartphone-for-the-blind/ From kwitucki at Learningally.org Thu Apr 26 16:20:21 2012 From: kwitucki at Learningally.org (Witucki, Kristen) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:20:21 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally and WMA Message-ID: Hello, list, I am one of the Product Support coordinators at Learning Ally. I'm also congenitally totally blind and use Jaws, a BrailleNote and a Stream for personal use as well as the tools of Learning Ally/RFBD. Without getting too lengthy, I'll try to generally answer the questions asked here about WMA and playback options going forward. If you have questions, definitely email me at kwitucki at learningally.org, and I'll answer them. First of all, WMA is a pretty standard format in Windows Media Player, and that format itself is not disappearing. But Learning Ally used WMA with DRM (digital rights management), which allowed us to keep our agreements with the publishers. This WMA/DRM format became harder and harder to support for a variety of reasons, ranging from changes in Windows operating systems and Media Player to issues with MP3 players changing, so the format was becoming unwieldy. So we're discontinuing the format. At best, though, the format offered very linear navigation of a book. You couldn't go directly to a page, adjust the speed of the human narration, or insert bookmarks. People can play their books back through a variety of options. I'll describe them very briefly. Apple App: Through the ITunes store, you can get an app called Learning Ally, which allows you to download books right to your IDevice. Right now, these books are audio only (meaning they are read by humans, and there is no text in them). However, the app does have the capability to display text so that when we have text, that will be an option. Note that the app was updated recently, so those of you who remember that you had to connect your device to your computer should know that's no longer the case. You can now download right from your device. The app costs $20 and that is a one-time cost which includes any subsequent updates we make to the app. Daisy Players: These include the CD players as well as the Victor Reader Stream and Plextor Pocket, but they also include devices such as the BrailleNote, Pacmate, BookSense and APH devices. You can either order books on CD, or you can download them from our site. If you have questions about these processes, let me know. ReadHear: This is a Daisy program which is free for the first computer to individual members, and it works on both Windows and Mac platforms. (Additional computers cost $20 per year). Basically, this allows members to play Daisy books right on their computers if they don't use a stand-alone Daisy player. I hope this helps, and again, please let me know on or off list if you have any questions. Kristen Witucki Product Support Coordinator, Member Services Learning Ally, Formerly Recording for the Blind & Dyslexic 20 Roszel Rd Princeton, NJ 08540 (800) 221-4792 Fax: (609) 987-8116 kwitucki at learningally.org Please visit our training and support center: http://www.learningally.org/help From ptrck.molloy at gmail.com Thu Apr 26 16:21:21 2012 From: ptrck.molloy at gmail.com (Patrick Molloy) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:21:21 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Smart Phone for Blind users In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If it works, and if it's at the right price, they might have something here. Patrick On 4/26/12, Joshua Lester wrote: > This link was sent to me, by my college advisor. > http://inhabitat.com/the-drawbraille-mobile-phone-by-shikun-sun-is-a-super-smartphone-for-the-blind/ > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Thu Apr 26 16:24:26 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:24:26 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Smart Phone for Blind users In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Who needs a Smart Phone, when we already have the IPhone? Just curious! Blessings, Joshua On 4/26/12, Patrick Molloy wrote: > If it works, and if it's at the right price, they might have something > here. > Patrick > > On 4/26/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >> This link was sent to me, by my college advisor. >> http://inhabitat.com/the-drawbraille-mobile-phone-by-shikun-sun-is-a-super-smartphone-for-the-blind/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From coasterfreak88 at mac.com Thu Apr 26 16:32:00 2012 From: coasterfreak88 at mac.com (John Moore) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:32:00 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Smart Phone for Blind users In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <35B6AE54-27F4-442C-96BF-084F7074E11A@mac.com> I totally agree. THis will probably not do as well as they think it will. From ptrck.molloy at gmail.com Thu Apr 26 16:38:06 2012 From: ptrck.molloy at gmail.com (Patrick Molloy) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:38:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Smart Phone for Blind users In-Reply-To: <35B6AE54-27F4-442C-96BF-084F7074E11A@mac.com> References: <35B6AE54-27F4-442C-96BF-084F7074E11A@mac.com> Message-ID: It's a cool idea, but it's a little late. From what I've heard, the iPhone is really accessible. If this smart phone had come out a couple of years ago, it would be a different story. Patrick On 4/26/12, John Moore wrote: > I totally agree. THis will probably not do as well as they think it will. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com > From aec732 at msn.com Thu Apr 26 16:39:00 2012 From: aec732 at msn.com (Annemarie Cooke) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:39:00 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] WMA and Learning Ally In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Ashley and NABSlist: WMA was a format Learning Ally launched at the onset of downloadaable audio books and long before there was an app for playback on IOS devices and long before the ReadHear software (which is free). As you are quite aware, technology changes constantly and the phase-out of WMA is simply another example of this. The DAISY format is far superior when it comes to locating a specific page, chapter, heading, etc. So, Ashley,.....ReadHear comes with your membership and you can read the books from LA on your computer that way as well. Personally, I use my iPhone or Victor Stream to read LA digital audio books. Please let me know if you have additional questions. Many thanks, NABSters! Annemarie Cooke for Learning Ally From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Thu Apr 26 16:42:18 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:42:18 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Smart Phone for Blind users In-Reply-To: References: <35B6AE54-27F4-442C-96BF-084F7074E11A@mac.com> Message-ID: You know how they do things! Something comes out, and then, when something else becomes accessible, they slowly want to compete, and it takes a while for them to make it accessible! Why can't they do things at the same speed, and at the same time? Technology changes, so fast, but it takes the companies a while to make the new technology accessible. What's up with that? Blessings, Joshua On 4/26/12, Patrick Molloy wrote: > It's a cool idea, but it's a little late. From what I've heard, the > iPhone is really accessible. If this smart phone had come out a couple > of years ago, it would be a different story. > Patrick > > On 4/26/12, John Moore wrote: >> I totally agree. THis will probably not do as well as they think it will. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Thu Apr 26 16:43:02 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:43:02 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] WMA and Learning Ally In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Kristen already told us. Blessings, Joshua On 4/26/12, Annemarie Cooke wrote: > > Dear Ashley and NABSlist: > > WMA was a format Learning Ally launched at the onset of downloadaable audio > books and long before there was an app for playback on IOS devices and long > before the ReadHear software (which is free). As you are quite aware, > technology changes constantly and the phase-out of WMA is simply another > example of this. > > The DAISY format is far superior when it comes to locating a specific page, > chapter, heading, etc. So, Ashley,.....ReadHear comes with your membership > and you can read the books from LA on your computer that way as well. > > Personally, I use my iPhone or Victor Stream to read LA digital audio > books. > > Please let me know if you have additional questions. > > Many thanks, NABSters! > > Annemarie Cooke > for Learning Ally > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From bpollpeter at hotmail.com Thu Apr 26 17:28:12 2012 From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:28:12 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Please read my blog In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello, Please read my blog at: http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/2012/04/26/changing-diapers-not-so-dif ferent-for-blind-parents/ As always, thank you for the support. Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog at: http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ "History is not what happened; history is what was written down." The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan From valandkayla at gmail.com Thu Apr 26 19:16:54 2012 From: valandkayla at gmail.com (Valerie Gibson) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:16:54 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] books recommendations In-Reply-To: References: <4f1ba1c4.c6a1320a.1b02.ffffa339@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1B80B1F3-A6FF-4AEC-98B5-864D6B224B91@gmail.com> Hi, So one of the features of the kendle from what i hear is that it will recommend books to you based on what you've read on kendle. I gather the Kendle is not accessible. True? if so, does anyone know of a mac ap or IOS ap that will recommend books to you based on …i don't know, something you've read? also, does anyone know of anything that will read or translate epub or mobi format books? thanks From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Thu Apr 26 19:21:13 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:21:13 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] books recommendations In-Reply-To: <1B80B1F3-A6FF-4AEC-98B5-864D6B224B91@gmail.com> References: <4f1ba1c4.c6a1320a.1b02.ffffa339@mx.google.com> <1B80B1F3-A6FF-4AEC-98B5-864D6B224B91@gmail.com> Message-ID: Valerie, have you heard of the Blio? http://www.blio.com This is the online version of the KNFB reader, which is the accessible Kendall, for the blind. Thanks, Joshua On 4/26/12, Valerie Gibson wrote: > Hi, > > So one of the features of the kendle from what i hear is that it will > recommend books to you based on what you've read on kendle. > I gather the Kendle is not accessible. True? > if so, does anyone know of a mac ap or IOS ap that will recommend books to > you based on …i don't know, something you've read? > > also, does anyone know of anything that will read or translate epub or mobi > format books? > > thanks > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Thu Apr 26 22:04:12 2012 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:04:12 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Smart Phone for Blind users Message-ID: <4f99c66d.e88aec0a.35e9.ffffc54d@mx.google.com> I agree. It doesn't sound like it has as much potential as the iPhone. And it didn't mention anything about audio. Few if any apps would be accessible using this phone. Besides, most of us are so used to typing on Qwerty-style keyboards now tha we would actually be a little slower on braille-style keyboards. I do, however, think it would be a good beginner phone for younger blind children. Sophie Trist ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: It's a cool idea, but it's a little late. From what I've heard, the iPhone is really accessible. If this smart phone had come out a couple of years ago, it would be a different story. Patrick On 4/26/12, John Moore wrote: I totally agree. THis will probably not do as well as they think it will. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% 40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Thu Apr 26 22:07:09 2012 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:07:09 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] books recommendations Message-ID: <4f99c71e.038e640a.096f.ffffc492@mx.google.com> Blio=20works=20really=20well.=20It's=20online,=20but=20it's=20also=20an=20A= pp=20you=20can=20 download=20on=20your=20iPhone. =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20Joshua=20Lester=20=20wrote: =20Hi, =20So=20one=20of=20the=20features=20of=20the=20kendle=20from=20what=20i=20h= ear=20is=20that=20it=20 will =20recommend=20books=20to=20you=20based=20on=20what=20you've=20read=20on=20= kendle. =20I=20gather=20the=20Kendle=20is=20not=20accessible.=20True? =20if=20so,=20does=20anyone=20know=20of=20a=20mac=20ap=20or=20IOS=20ap=20th= at=20will=20 recommend=20books=20to =20you=20based=20on=20=85i=20don't=20know,=20something=20you've=20read? =20also,=20does=20anyone=20know=20of=20anything=20that=20will=20read=20or=20= translate=20 epub=20or=20mobi =20format=20books? =20thanks =20_______________________________________________ =20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info=20for =20nabs-l: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco= unt=20info=20 for=20nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Apr 26 22:09:42 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:09:42 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally and WMA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003601cd23f9$48eb2010$dac16030$@gmail.com> Hi Kristen, Thank you for the information! I'm glad we have some representatives from both Bookshare and Learning Ally on this list, so they can read opinions about and suggestions for these 2 organizations from their customers which you can take back to your organizations. Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Witucki, Kristen Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 12:20 PM To: 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org' Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally and WMA Hello, list, I am one of the Product Support coordinators at Learning Ally. I'm also congenitally totally blind and use Jaws, a BrailleNote and a Stream for personal use as well as the tools of Learning Ally/RFBD. Without getting too lengthy, I'll try to generally answer the questions asked here about WMA and playback options going forward. If you have questions, definitely email me at kwitucki at learningally.org, and I'll answer them. First of all, WMA is a pretty standard format in Windows Media Player, and that format itself is not disappearing. But Learning Ally used WMA with DRM (digital rights management), which allowed us to keep our agreements with the publishers. This WMA/DRM format became harder and harder to support for a variety of reasons, ranging from changes in Windows operating systems and Media Player to issues with MP3 players changing, so the format was becoming unwieldy. So we're discontinuing the format. At best, though, the format offered very linear navigation of a book. You couldn't go directly to a page, adjust the speed of the human narration, or insert bookmarks. People can play their books back through a variety of options. I'll describe them very briefly. Apple App: Through the ITunes store, you can get an app called Learning Ally, which allows you to download books right to your IDevice. Right now, these books are audio only (meaning they are read by humans, and there is no text in them). However, the app does have the capability to display text so that when we have text, that will be an option. Note that the app was updated recently, so those of you who remember that you had to connect your device to your computer should know that's no longer the case. You can now download right from your device. The app costs $20 and that is a one-time cost which includes any subsequent updates we make to the app. Daisy Players: These include the CD players as well as the Victor Reader Stream and Plextor Pocket, but they also include devices such as the BrailleNote, Pacmate, BookSense and APH devices. You can either order books on CD, or you can download them from our site. If you have questions about these processes, let me know. ReadHear: This is a Daisy program which is free for the first computer to individual members, and it works on both Windows and Mac platforms. (Additional computers cost $20 per year). Basically, this allows members to play Daisy books right on their computers if they don't use a stand-alone Daisy player. I hope this helps, and again, please let me know on or off list if you have any questions. Kristen Witucki Product Support Coordinator, Member Services Learning Ally, Formerly Recording for the Blind & Dyslexic 20 Roszel Rd Princeton, NJ 08540 (800) 221-4792 Fax: (609) 987-8116 kwitucki at learningally.org Please visit our training and support center: http://www.learningally.org/help _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From jorge.paez1994 at gmail.com Thu Apr 26 22:13:03 2012 From: jorge.paez1994 at gmail.com (Jorge Paez) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:13:03 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] books recommendations In-Reply-To: <4f99c71e.038e640a.096f.ffffc492@mx.google.com> References: <4f99c71e.038e640a.096f.ffffc492@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Is Blio only ebooks or also audio? On Apr 26, 2012, at 6:07 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: > Blio works really well. It's online, but it's also an App you can download on your iPhone. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:21:13 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Valerie, have you heard of the Blio? > http://www.blio.com > This is the online version of the KNFB reader, which is the accessible > Kendall, for the blind. > Thanks, Joshua > > On 4/26/12, Valerie Gibson wrote: > Hi, > > So one of the features of the kendle from what i hear is that it will > recommend books to you based on what you've read on kendle. > I gather the Kendle is not accessible. True? > if so, does anyone know of a mac ap or IOS ap that will recommend books to > you based on ∑i don't know, something you've read? > > also, does anyone know of anything that will read or translate epub or mobi > format books? > > thanks > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorge.paez1994%40gmail.com From jorge.paez1994 at gmail.com Thu Apr 26 22:19:11 2012 From: jorge.paez1994 at gmail.com (Jorge Paez) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:19:11 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Smart Phone for Blind users In-Reply-To: <4f99c66d.e88aec0a.35e9.ffffc54d@mx.google.com> References: <4f99c66d.e88aec0a.35e9.ffffc54d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <23B78CA6-93F8-477D-A63A-AC37A8E85111@gmail.com> Agreed Sophie: If this smartphone has any market it'd be for younger children. Its a good idea, but it would have to have something really unique to compete against the IOS world. And, now that Android is getting to be somewhat accessible, we have at least the start of an alternative for people who are not IOS users. On Apr 26, 2012, at 6:04 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: > I agree. It doesn't sound like it has as much potential as the iPhone. And it didn't mention anything about audio. Few if any apps would be accessible using this phone. Besides, most of us are so used to typing on Qwerty-style keyboards now tha we would actually be a little slower on braille-style keyboards. I do, however, think it would be a good beginner phone for younger blind children. > Sophie Trist > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:42:18 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Smart Phone for Blind users > > You know how they do things! > Something comes out, and then, when something else becomes accessible, > they slowly want to compete, and it takes a while for them to make it > accessible! > Why can't they do things at the same speed, and at the same time? > Technology changes, so fast, but it takes the companies a while to > make the new technology accessible. > What's up with that? > Blessings, Joshua > > On 4/26/12, Patrick Molloy wrote: > It's a cool idea, but it's a little late. From what I've heard, the > iPhone is really accessible. If this smart phone had come out a couple > of years ago, it would be a different story. > Patrick > > On 4/26/12, John Moore wrote: > I totally agree. THis will probably not do as well as they think it will. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% > 40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorge.paez1994%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Apr 26 21:58:26 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:58:26 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Smart Phone for Blind users In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003501cd23f7$b5bd2aa0$21377fe0$@gmail.com> The iPhone *is* a smartphone! Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 12:24 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Smart Phone for Blind users Who needs a Smart Phone, when we already have the IPhone? Just curious! Blessings, Joshua On 4/26/12, Patrick Molloy wrote: > If it works, and if it's at the right price, they might have something > here. > Patrick > > On 4/26/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >> This link was sent to me, by my college advisor. >> http://inhabitat.com/the-drawbraille-mobile-phone-by-shikun-sun-is-a- >> super-smartphone-for-the-blind/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gm >> ail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40stud > ents.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Apr 26 21:50:14 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:50:14 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] books recommendations In-Reply-To: <1B80B1F3-A6FF-4AEC-98B5-864D6B224B91@gmail.com> References: <4f1ba1c4.c6a1320a.1b02.ffffa339@mx.google.com> <1B80B1F3-A6FF-4AEC-98B5-864D6B224B91@gmail.com> Message-ID: <003301cd23f6$9102a8d0$b307fa70$@gmail.com> Valerie, You're correct; unfortunately, neither the Kindle nor the Nook is accessible. I'm not sure of any accessible eBook device that would recommend books to you; I didn't even know that was a feature of the Kindle. Blio might do it, but I don't know. There also might be Web sites that do this. Try Googling something like "book recommender" or something like that, and see what you come up with. As to your question about books in EPUB format, you can read them using iBooks on an iOS device, a Victor Reader Stream from Humanware, or a BrailleNote Apex. These are just the devices that I can think of that support EPUB and are accessible. As far as converting EPUB books, you can do this free and online using www.online-convert.com. One more thing: for more information about the accessibility of many eBook reading platforms, I would strongly recommend reading 2 articles which recently appeared in the Braille Monitor. The first is eBooks: What Works, What Doesn't, and What is Still Unclear written by Amy Mason, which appeared in the January 2012 Monitor. The second is Mainstream Access to eBooks: My Perspective, by James Gashel, which appeared in the February 2012 issue. If you haven't read these articles, they are a great source of information for the blind eBook reader! You can read these articles on the NFB Web site, www.nfb.org. Click on Publications from the home page, then on Braille Monitor, then on 2000-Present, then under the 2012 heading, January and February respectively. Once on the contents page for the magazine, you can click on the link with the article's title to read it and the Listen Now (MP3) link under each article to listen to it in MP3 format. Hope this helps, Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Valerie Gibson Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 3:17 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] books recommendations Hi, So one of the features of the kendle from what i hear is that it will recommend books to you based on what you've read on kendle. I gather the Kendle is not accessible. True? if so, does anyone know of a mac ap or IOS ap that will recommend books to you based on .i don't know, something you've read? also, does anyone know of anything that will read or translate epub or mobi format books? thanks _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From valandkayla at gmail.com Thu Apr 26 19:42:17 2012 From: valandkayla at gmail.com (Valerie Gibson) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:42:17 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] books recommendations In-Reply-To: References: <4f1ba1c4.c6a1320a.1b02.ffffa339@mx.google.com> <1B80B1F3-A6FF-4AEC-98B5-864D6B224B91@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes, but can it read kendle format books, and will it recommend books to you based on what you've read? On Apr 26, 2012, at 2:21 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > Valerie, have you heard of the Blio? > http://www.blio.com > This is the online version of the KNFB reader, which is the accessible > Kendall, for the blind. > Thanks, Joshua > > On 4/26/12, Valerie Gibson wrote: >> Hi, >> >> So one of the features of the kendle from what i hear is that it will >> recommend books to you based on what you've read on kendle. >> I gather the Kendle is not accessible. True? >> if so, does anyone know of a mac ap or IOS ap that will recommend books to >> you based on …i don't know, something you've read? >> >> also, does anyone know of anything that will read or translate epub or mobi >> format books? >> >> thanks >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/valandkayla%40gmail.com From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com Thu Apr 26 20:37:59 2012 From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 15:37:59 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] books recommendations References: <4f1ba1c4.c6a1320a.1b02.ffffa339@mx.google.com> <1B80B1F3-A6FF-4AEC-98B5-864D6B224B91@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000701cd23ec$78f37e90$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Hello Valerie and everyone, First of all it's pronounced Kindle not Kendle. Check out Blio. This product was developed by the NFB in partnership with Kurzweil and is a main-stream product. Get more information at: http://www.blio.com Hope this helps. Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valerie Gibson" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 2:16 PM Subject: [nabs-l] books recommendations Hi, So one of the features of the kendle from what i hear is that it will recommend books to you based on what you've read on kendle. I gather the Kendle is not accessible. True? if so, does anyone know of a mac ap or IOS ap that will recommend books to you based on …i don't know, something you've read? also, does anyone know of anything that will read or translate epub or mobi format books? thanks _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Apr 26 21:55:11 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:55:11 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Smart Phone for Blind users In-Reply-To: References: <35B6AE54-27F4-442C-96BF-084F7074E11A@mac.com> Message-ID: <003401cd23f7$41d031f0$c57095d0$@gmail.com> Joshua, It's all because accessibility is an afterthought. It's sad, but it's true. That's what the NFB is trying to change. Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 12:42 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Smart Phone for Blind users You know how they do things! Something comes out, and then, when something else becomes accessible, they slowly want to compete, and it takes a while for them to make it accessible! Why can't they do things at the same speed, and at the same time? Technology changes, so fast, but it takes the companies a while to make the new technology accessible. What's up with that? Blessings, Joshua On 4/26/12, Patrick Molloy wrote: > It's a cool idea, but it's a little late. From what I've heard, the > iPhone is really accessible. If this smart phone had come out a couple > of years ago, it would be a different story. > Patrick > > On 4/26/12, John Moore wrote: >> I totally agree. THis will probably not do as well as they think it will. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gm >> ail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40stud > ents.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com Thu Apr 26 22:40:53 2012 From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:40:53 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] books recommendations References: <4f1ba1c4.c6a1320a.1b02.ffffa339@mx.google.com><1B80B1F3-A6FF-4AEC-98B5-864D6B224B91@gmail.com> Message-ID: <002601cd23fd$a3c50ab0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Hello Valerie, Blio uses its own format. Chances are that some of the Kindle (Not Kendle) formatted books are all ready available through Blio. There's only one way to find out. Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valerie Gibson" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations Yes, but can it read kendle format books, and will it recommend books to you based on what you've read? On Apr 26, 2012, at 2:21 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > Valerie, have you heard of the Blio? > http://www.blio.com > This is the online version of the KNFB reader, which is the accessible > Kendall, for the blind. > Thanks, Joshua > > On 4/26/12, Valerie Gibson wrote: >> Hi, >> >> So one of the features of the kendle from what i hear is that it will >> recommend books to you based on what you've read on kendle. >> I gather the Kendle is not accessible. True? >> if so, does anyone know of a mac ap or IOS ap that will recommend books >> to >> you based on …i don't know, something you've read? >> >> also, does anyone know of anything that will read or translate epub or >> mobi >> format books? >> >> thanks >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/valandkayla%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Thu Apr 26 22:48:43 2012 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 15:48:43 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Survey - RoboBraille in Education References: <3F24F7BC33DC4A2D93F7384DD6DE6492@HeatherAcer> <005a01cd2343$23a30680$6ae91380$@gmail.com> <007201cd234a$2aa6f7f0$7ff4e7d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8A1CEF38BC8E46EEA88192DE61B18925@stanford.edu> There is no text in the email; it is in the attachment that has the txt ending. This happens when certain people send to the list. I do not know why it happens, but I wish that people would work on figuring out why and do what they can to keep it from happening. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 6:16 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Survey - RoboBraille in Education >I wasn't using my Apex; I'm using the PC and Microsoft Outlook. > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of josh gregory > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 8:32 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Survey - RoboBraille in Education > > If you have your iPod, try it with that. This is where apex falls short, > not > offering proper functionality. Hth. > > On 4/25/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> Heather, >> >> I don't see the questionnaire or a link to it. Where do we fill this >> survey out? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Chris >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf Of Heather Field >> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 1:38 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] Survey - RoboBraille in Education >> >> This is a really great service and I encourage everyone who has used >> RoboBraille to let them know how useful it is to blind users. This >> survey is only a few questions and won't take long to complete. This >> is a great opportunity to tell people how helpful it is when projects >> designed to help the blind actually get it right. They ask for our >> personal stories of how we use it. >> Best, >> Heather >> >> From: RoboBraille Users International 2012 >> >> >> >> Survey - RoboBraille in Education >> Dear RoboBraille user, >> >> As part of our EU Leonardo project (RoboBraille in Education) we have >> made a questionnaire for teachers and students, to find out how >> RoboBraille is used in educational context. >> >> The objective of the project is to collect new knowledge, as how >> RoboBraille can be used to teach reading to people with visual >> impairment. >> >> You will be a great deal of help if you answered the questionnaire. >> >> Answer the questionnaire here. >> >> Best regards, >> The RoboBraille Team >> >> To unsubscribe click here and send the mail. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail >> .com >> > > > -- > Sent via gmail.com > Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com > Skype: joshgregory93 > twitter: JoshG93 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Thu Apr 26 22:58:28 2012 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 15:58:28 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Leaving List Message-ID: <8534A4320DC749B19D8C9B836968F1CD@stanford.edu> I have decided to leave the list. I was going to wait until after I graduated, but I have decided to leave now. I am not going to go into my reasons. I am still here, of course, if anyone ever wants to email me. Best, Nicole From valandkayla at gmail.com Thu Apr 26 23:03:01 2012 From: valandkayla at gmail.com (Valerie Gibson) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:03:01 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] books recommendations In-Reply-To: <003301cd23f6$9102a8d0$b307fa70$@gmail.com> References: <4f1ba1c4.c6a1320a.1b02.ffffa339@mx.google.com> <1B80B1F3-A6FF-4AEC-98B5-864D6B224B91@gmail.com> <003301cd23f6$9102a8d0$b307fa70$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7F7DC5D4-AB71-482E-A28B-74676BDC0879@gmail.com> wow, didn't know the brailenote could read pubs…awesome. thanks On Apr 26, 2012, at 4:50 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Valerie, > > You're correct; unfortunately, neither the Kindle nor the Nook is > accessible. I'm not sure of any accessible eBook device that would recommend > books to you; I didn't even know that was a feature of the Kindle. Blio > might do it, but I don't know. There also might be Web sites that do this. > Try Googling something like "book recommender" or something like that, and > see what you come up with. > > As to your question about books in EPUB format, you can read them using > iBooks on an iOS device, a Victor Reader Stream from Humanware, or a > BrailleNote Apex. These are just the devices that I can think of that > support EPUB and are accessible. As far as converting EPUB books, you can do > this free and online using www.online-convert.com. > > One more thing: for more information about the accessibility of many eBook > reading platforms, I would strongly recommend reading 2 articles which > recently appeared in the Braille Monitor. The first is eBooks: What Works, > What Doesn't, and What is Still Unclear written by Amy Mason, which appeared > in the January 2012 Monitor. The second is Mainstream Access to eBooks: My > Perspective, by James Gashel, which appeared in the February 2012 issue. If > you haven't read these articles, they are a great source of information for > the blind eBook reader! You can read these articles on the NFB Web site, > www.nfb.org. Click on Publications from the home page, then on Braille > Monitor, then on 2000-Present, then under the 2012 heading, January and > February respectively. Once on the contents page for the magazine, you can > click on the link with the article's title to read it and the Listen Now > (MP3) link under each article to listen to it in MP3 format. > > Hope this helps, > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Valerie Gibson > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 3:17 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Hi, > > So one of the features of the kendle from what i hear is that it will > recommend books to you based on what you've read on kendle. > I gather the Kendle is not accessible. True? > if so, does anyone know of a mac ap or IOS ap that will recommend books to > you based on .i don't know, something you've read? > > also, does anyone know of anything that will read or translate epub or mobi > format books? > > thanks > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/valandkayla%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Apr 26 23:52:38 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 19:52:38 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Smart Phone for Blind users In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005001cd2407$aa02be90$fe083bb0$@gmail.com> That's very interesting! If this idea even comes to fruition and gets put out on the market, I wonder if it will be a decent competitor to, or even outdo the accessible iPhone with VoiceOver? This may be a good alternative smartphone for blind people who don't want to deal with the learning curve of learning the touch-screen interface. I like the fact that it would have Braille input and output supported out-of-the-box. Well, only time will tell! Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 10:30 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Smart Phone for Blind users This link was sent to me, by my college advisor. http://inhabitat.com/the-drawbraille-mobile-phone-by-shikun-sun-is-a-super-s martphone-for-the-blind/ _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Fri Apr 27 00:52:54 2012 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 19:52:54 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] books recommendations Message-ID: <4f99edf7.e88aec0a.35e9.ffffd65b@mx.google.com> It's E-books, but the app allows you to purchase a voice that will read the E-book aloud. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jorge Paez wrote: Hi, So one of the features of the kendle from what i hear is that it will recommend books to you based on what you've read on kendle. I gather the Kendle is not accessible. True? if so, does anyone know of a mac ap or IOS ap that will recommend books to you based on ∑i don't know, something you've read? also, does anyone know of anything that will read or translate epub or mobi format books? thanks _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorge.paez199 4%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Fri Apr 27 00:56:47 2012 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 19:56:47 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Smart Phone for Blind users Message-ID: <4f99eee0.181b640a.50e9.ffffd6f9@mx.google.com> But they're the smartest smart phone. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" wrote: If it works, and if it's at the right price, they might have something here. Patrick On 4/26/12, Joshua Lester wrote: This link was sent to me, by my college advisor. http://inhabitat.com/the-drawbraille-mobile-phone-by-shikun-sun-i s-a- super-smartphone-for-the-blind/ _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% 40gm ail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0stud ents.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.c om _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Fri Apr 27 00:57:44 2012 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 19:57:44 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] books recommendations Message-ID: <4f99ef1a.2a23ec0a.411f.ffffd99b@mx.google.com> It=20does=20not=20recommend=20books=20to=20you=20based=20on=20what=20you=20= read=20I'm=20 sorry=20to=20say.=20And=20I'll=20admit=20I'm=20not=20that=20tech=20savvy,=20= so=20I=20don't=20 know=20if=20it=20reads=20Kendle=20format. =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20Valerie=20Gibson=20=20wrote: =20Hi, =20So=20one=20of=20the=20features=20of=20the=20kendle=20from=20what=20i=20h= ear=20is=20that=20it=20 will =20recommend=20books=20to=20you=20based=20on=20what=20you've=20read=20on=20= kendle. =20I=20gather=20the=20Kendle=20is=20not=20accessible.=20True? =20if=20so,=20does=20anyone=20know=20of=20a=20mac=20ap=20or=20IOS=20ap=20th= at=20will=20 recommend=20books=20to =20you=20based=20on=20=85i=20don't=20know,=20something=20you've=20read? =20also,=20does=20anyone=20know=20of=20anything=20that=20will=20read=20or=20= translate=20 epub=20or=20mobi =20format=20books? =20thanks =20_______________________________________________ =20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info=20for =20nabs-l: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu =20_______________________________________________ =20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info=20for=20nabs-l: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/valandkayla%4 0gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco= unt=20info=20 for=20nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com From ptrck.molloy at gmail.com Fri Apr 27 01:22:15 2012 From: ptrck.molloy at gmail.com (Patrick Molloy) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:22:15 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Smart Phone for Blind users In-Reply-To: <4f99eee0.181b640a.50e9.ffffd6f9@mx.google.com> References: <4f99eee0.181b640a.50e9.ffffd6f9@mx.google.com> Message-ID: As others have said, this phone might serve as a good starting point for beginners/younger people who don't want to learn the finer points of a touch screen just yet. That's the only way I can see this having a niche in the market. Also, if it does come out, price will probably be an issue. If the thing is too expensive, then few people will buy it. Patrick On 4/26/12, Sophie Trist wrote: > But they're the smartest smart phone. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Nusbaum" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:58:26 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Smart Phone for Blind users > > The iPhone *is* a smartphone! > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 12:24 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Smart Phone for Blind users > > Who needs a Smart Phone, when we already have the IPhone? > Just curious! > Blessings, Joshua > > On 4/26/12, Patrick Molloy wrote: > If it works, and if it's at the right price, they might have > something > here. > Patrick > > On 4/26/12, Joshua Lester > wrote: > This link was sent to me, by my college advisor. > > http://inhabitat.com/the-drawbraille-mobile-phone-by-shikun-sun-i > s-a- > super-smartphone-for-the-blind/ > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% > 40gm > ail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0stud > ents.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.c > om > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com > From jorge.paez1994 at gmail.com Fri Apr 27 01:45:55 2012 From: jorge.paez1994 at gmail.com (Jorge Paez) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:45:55 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] books recommendations In-Reply-To: <4f99edf7.e88aec0a.35e9.ffffd65b@mx.google.com> References: <4f99edf7.e88aec0a.35e9.ffffd65b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <135A2CE4-396C-4313-A37A-B18E540FBA7D@gmail.com> Nice. And its 100% accessible on the iPhone? On Apr 26, 2012, at 8:52 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: > It's E-books, but the app allows you to purchase a voice that will read the E-book aloud. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jorge Paez To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:13:03 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Is Blio only ebooks or also audio? > > > > On Apr 26, 2012, at 6:07 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: > > Blio works really well. It's online, but it's also an App you can download on your iPhone. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:21:13 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Valerie, have you heard of the Blio? > http://www.blio.com > This is the online version of the KNFB reader, which is the accessible > Kendall, for the blind. > Thanks, Joshua > > On 4/26/12, Valerie Gibson wrote: > Hi, > > So one of the features of the kendle from what i hear is that it will > recommend books to you based on what you've read on kendle. > I gather the Kendle is not accessible. True? > if so, does anyone know of a mac ap or IOS ap that will recommend books to > you based on ∑i don't know, something you've read? > > also, does anyone know of anything that will read or translate epub or mobi > format books? > > thanks > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorge.paez199 > 4%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorge.paez1994%40gmail.com From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Fri Apr 27 01:57:27 2012 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 20:57:27 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] books recommendations Message-ID: <4f99fd19.a54dec0a.47ed.ffffdaa5@mx.google.com> Yep. As someone else said, it was created by NFB and some other company that I can't remember off the top of my head. The App is free, and it's totally iPhone accessible. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jorge Paez wrote: Hi, So one of the features of the kendle from what i hear is that it will recommend books to you based on what you've read on kendle. I gather the Kendle is not accessible. True? if so, does anyone know of a mac ap or IOS ap that will recommend books to you based on ∑i don't know, something you've read? also, does anyone know of anything that will read or translate epub or mobi format books? thanks _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorge.paez199 4%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorge.paez199 4%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Fri Apr 27 02:02:13 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:02:13 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] books recommendations In-Reply-To: <4f99fd19.a54dec0a.47ed.ffffdaa5@mx.google.com> References: <4f99fd19.a54dec0a.47ed.ffffdaa5@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Sophie, it's Kurzweil! Hey! Weren't you the one that sang, at the showcase of talent, last year? Just curious, (I know I'm off topic.) Thanks, Joshua On 4/26/12, Sophie Trist wrote: > Yep. As someone else said, it was created by NFB and some other > company that I can't remember off the top of my head. The App is > free, and it's totally iPhone accessible. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jorge Paez To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:45:55 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Nice. > And its 100% accessible on the iPhone? > > > On Apr 26, 2012, at 8:52 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: > > It's E-books, but the app allows you to purchase a voice that > will read the E-book aloud. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jorge Paez To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:13:03 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Is Blio only ebooks or also audio? > > > > On Apr 26, 2012, at 6:07 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: > > Blio works really well. It's online, but it's also an App you > can download on your iPhone. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:21:13 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Valerie, have you heard of the Blio? > http://www.blio.com > This is the online version of the KNFB reader, which is the > accessible > Kendall, for the blind. > Thanks, Joshua > > On 4/26/12, Valerie Gibson wrote: > Hi, > > So one of the features of the kendle from what i hear is that it > will > recommend books to you based on what you've read on kendle. > I gather the Kendle is not accessible. True? > if so, does anyone know of a mac ap or IOS ap that will > recommend books to > you based on ∑i don't know, something you've read? > > also, does anyone know of anything that will read or translate > epub or mobi > format books? > > thanks > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorge.paez199 > 4%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorge.paez199 > 4%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com Fri Apr 27 02:54:16 2012 From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:54:16 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: [Txabs] Summer Merit Programs: brief course description and contactlist Message-ID: <003501cd2421$09cef050$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> From: "Gabe Cazares" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 7:48 PM Subject: [Txabs] Summer Merit Programs: brief course description and contactlist TABSters, Please see below a message from our state affiliate President regarding STEM summer camps. As we all know, the fields of Science, Technology, Engineering, and Math are rapidly growing, and the Texas Workforce Commission has done some research with regards to in-state STEM summer camps for us, the blind students. Please read over the message, as well as the enclosed spreadsheet and feel free to contact our President, Kimberly Flores, if you have any further questions. ...Gabe Gabriel M. Cazares, 1st Vice President Texas Association of Blind Students - TABS (A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas) www.nfbtx.org/tabs Phone: 713-581-0619 -----Original Message----- From: Kimberly Aguillard Flores [mailto:kimberly.aguillard at gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 9:20 AM Subject: Fwd: FW: Summer Merit Program: brief course description and contact list Hello All, I am excited to share the enclosed information with you about cutting edge programs for blind students in Texas. The Texas Workforce Commission has provided the attached spreadsheet of Summer Merit Programs TWC is funding. They included in their assessment questions to identify if programs were available for blind students. The programs that are not are "hidden" columns. Some programs have indicated "maybe". I want to get students enrolled in these programs. As you know STEM subjects and increased access to these fields is critical. This is an incredible opportunity for enrichment right here in Texas that our very own state agency has worked hard to share with our membership and contacts. Programs range from one week to two weeks. Some programs are "day" programs and others are "residential" meaning students reside in dorms while attending. The NFB of Texas is committing to making this opportunity available to blind students, so we will work with families to overcome transportation barriers, etc. If students or parents are interested, please contact me directly so I can assist you to make arrangements with the specific program and facilitate the application process. Please circulate widely! This is an important first step for our youth to compete equally with their peers in the STEM subjects, while gaining hands-on experience, building a network and improving their resume all in one great experience. Please consider giving one of these programs a chance. I assure you, the grant recipients for the Summer Merit Programs are top-notch, innovative programs. I look forward to talking with you soon about your interest and applications! Best, Kimberly Flores President, NFB of Texas kflores at nfbtx.org Kimberly ----- No virus found in this message. 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The one at Buddy Camp? ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Yep. As someone else said, it was created by NFB and some other company that I can't remember off the top of my head. The App is free, and it's totally iPhone accessible. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jorge Paez wrote: Hi, So one of the features of the kendle from what i hear is that it will recommend books to you based on what you've read on kendle. I gather the Kendle is not accessible. True? if so, does anyone know of a mac ap or IOS ap that will recommend books to you based on ∑i don't know, something you've read? also, does anyone know of anything that will read or translate epub or mobi format books? thanks _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorge.paez199 4%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorge.paez199 4%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Fri Apr 27 13:57:02 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 08:57:02 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] books recommendations In-Reply-To: <4f9a87d0.0f24650a.4ccd.fffff4ae@mx.google.com> References: <4f9a87d0.0f24650a.4ccd.fffff4ae@mx.google.com> Message-ID: There was a girl named Sophie, that sang a song from Glee, last year, in Orlando, at convention. Thanks, Joshua On 4/27/12, Sophie Trist wrote: > What showcase of talent? The one at Buddy Camp? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:02:13 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Sophie, it's Kurzweil! > Hey! > Weren't you the one that sang, at the showcase of talent, last > year? > Just curious, (I know I'm off topic.) > Thanks, Joshua > > On 4/26/12, Sophie Trist wrote: > Yep. As someone else said, it was created by NFB and some other > company that I can't remember off the top of my head. The App is > free, and it's totally iPhone accessible. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jorge Paez To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:45:55 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Nice. > And its 100% accessible on the iPhone? > > > On Apr 26, 2012, at 8:52 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: > > It's E-books, but the app allows you to purchase a voice that > will read the E-book aloud. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jorge Paez To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:13:03 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Is Blio only ebooks or also audio? > > > > On Apr 26, 2012, at 6:07 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: > > Blio works really well. It's online, but it's also an App you > can download on your iPhone. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:21:13 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Valerie, have you heard of the Blio? > http://www.blio.com > This is the online version of the KNFB reader, which is the > accessible > Kendall, for the blind. > Thanks, Joshua > > On 4/26/12, Valerie Gibson wrote: > Hi, > > So one of the features of the kendle from what i hear is that > it > will > recommend books to you based on what you've read on kendle. > I gather the Kendle is not accessible. True? > if so, does anyone know of a mac ap or IOS ap that will > recommend books to > you based on ∑i don't know, something you've read? > > also, does anyone know of anything that will read or translate > epub or mobi > format books? > > thanks > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorge.paez199 > 4%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorge.paez199 > 4%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Fri Apr 27 20:55:15 2012 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:55:15 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] books recommendations Message-ID: <4f9b07c6.2215640a.24b4.4194@mx.google.com> wish I could claim that, but sadly, it wasn't me. I'm not a big Glee fan, and besides, I doubt they let ninth graders do cool stuff like that. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: What showcase of talent? The one at Buddy Camp? ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Yep. As someone else said, it was created by NFB and some other company that I can't remember off the top of my head. The App is free, and it's totally iPhone accessible. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jorge Paez wrote: Hi, So one of the features of the kendle from what i hear is that it will recommend books to you based on what you've read on kendle. I gather the Kendle is not accessible. True? if so, does anyone know of a mac ap or IOS ap that will recommend books to you based on ∑i don't know, something you've read? also, does anyone know of anything that will read or translate epub or mobi format books? thanks _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorge.paez199 4%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorge.paez199 4%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Fri Apr 27 20:58:44 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:58:44 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] books recommendations In-Reply-To: <4f9b07c6.2215640a.24b4.4194@mx.google.com> References: <4f9b07c6.2215640a.24b4.4194@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Wow! BTW, welcome to the list. Blessings, Joshua On 4/27/12, Sophie Trist wrote: > wish I could claim that, but sadly, it wasn't me. I'm not a big > Glee fan, and besides, I doubt they let ninth graders do cool > stuff like that. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 08:57:02 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > There was a girl named Sophie, that sang a song from Glee, last > year, > in Orlando, at convention. > Thanks, Joshua > > On 4/27/12, Sophie Trist wrote: > What showcase of talent? The one at Buddy Camp? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:02:13 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Sophie, it's Kurzweil! > Hey! > Weren't you the one that sang, at the showcase of talent, last > year? > Just curious, (I know I'm off topic.) > Thanks, Joshua > > On 4/26/12, Sophie Trist wrote: > Yep. As someone else said, it was created by NFB and some other > company that I can't remember off the top of my head. The App > is > free, and it's totally iPhone accessible. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jorge Paez To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:45:55 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Nice. > And its 100% accessible on the iPhone? > > > On Apr 26, 2012, at 8:52 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: > > It's E-books, but the app allows you to purchase a voice that > will read the E-book aloud. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jorge Paez To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:13:03 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Is Blio only ebooks or also audio? > > > > On Apr 26, 2012, at 6:07 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: > > Blio works really well. It's online, but it's also an App you > can download on your iPhone. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:21:13 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Valerie, have you heard of the Blio? > http://www.blio.com > This is the online version of the KNFB reader, which is the > accessible > Kendall, for the blind. > Thanks, Joshua > > On 4/26/12, Valerie Gibson wrote: > Hi, > > So one of the features of the kendle from what i hear is that > it > will > recommend books to you based on what you've read on kendle. > I gather the Kendle is not accessible. True? > if so, does anyone know of a mac ap or IOS ap that will > recommend books to > you based on ∑i don't know, something you've read? > > also, does anyone know of anything that will read or translate > epub or mobi > format books? > > thanks > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorge.paez199 > 4%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorge.paez199 > 4%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Fri Apr 27 21:28:18 2012 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:28:18 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] books recommendations Message-ID: <4f9b0f85.046a650a.42b1.440d@mx.google.com> Thanks. Bre Brown helped me subscribe. I live in Louisiana and met at the Louisiana State Convention. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: wish I could claim that, but sadly, it wasn't me. I'm not a big Glee fan, and besides, I doubt they let ninth graders do cool stuff like that. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: What showcase of talent? The one at Buddy Camp? ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Yep. As someone else said, it was created by NFB and some other company that I can't remember off the top of my head. The App is free, and it's totally iPhone accessible. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jorge Paez wrote: Hi, So one of the features of the kendle from what i hear is that it will recommend books to you based on what you've read on kendle. I gather the Kendle is not accessible. True? if so, does anyone know of a mac ap or IOS ap that will recommend books to you based on ∑i don't know, something you've read? also, does anyone know of anything that will read or translate epub or mobi format books? thanks _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorge.paez199 4%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorge.paez199 4%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Fri Apr 27 21:32:51 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:32:51 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] books recommendations In-Reply-To: <4f9b0f85.046a650a.42b1.440d@mx.google.com> References: <4f9b0f85.046a650a.42b1.440d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hmmm! Back to the topic of books! I haven't followed this thread, so I have to ask about a book, and how I could find it. I'm looking for the book, "1984," by George Orwell. I don't know, if it's where I can download it from Bookshare, or not. Does anyone know? Thanks, Joshua On 4/27/12, Sophie Trist wrote: > Thanks. Bre Brown helped me subscribe. I live in Louisiana and > met at the Louisiana State Convention. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:58:44 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Wow! > BTW, welcome to the list. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 4/27/12, Sophie Trist wrote: > wish I could claim that, but sadly, it wasn't me. I'm not a big > Glee fan, and besides, I doubt they let ninth graders do cool > stuff like that. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 08:57:02 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > There was a girl named Sophie, that sang a song from Glee, last > year, > in Orlando, at convention. > Thanks, Joshua > > On 4/27/12, Sophie Trist wrote: > What showcase of talent? The one at Buddy Camp? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:02:13 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Sophie, it's Kurzweil! > Hey! > Weren't you the one that sang, at the showcase of talent, last > year? > Just curious, (I know I'm off topic.) > Thanks, Joshua > > On 4/26/12, Sophie Trist wrote: > Yep. As someone else said, it was created by NFB and some > other > company that I can't remember off the top of my head. The App > is > free, and it's totally iPhone accessible. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jorge Paez To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:45:55 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Nice. > And its 100% accessible on the iPhone? > > > On Apr 26, 2012, at 8:52 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: > > It's E-books, but the app allows you to purchase a voice that > will read the E-book aloud. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jorge Paez To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:13:03 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Is Blio only ebooks or also audio? > > > > On Apr 26, 2012, at 6:07 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: > > Blio works really well. It's online, but it's also an App you > can download on your iPhone. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:21:13 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Valerie, have you heard of the Blio? > http://www.blio.com > This is the online version of the KNFB reader, which is the > accessible > Kendall, for the blind. > Thanks, Joshua > > On 4/26/12, Valerie Gibson wrote: > Hi, > > So one of the features of the kendle from what i hear is that > it > will > recommend books to you based on what you've read on kendle. > I gather the Kendle is not accessible. True? > if so, does anyone know of a mac ap or IOS ap that will > recommend books to > you based on ∑i don't know, something you've read? > > also, does anyone know of anything that will read or > translate > epub or mobi > format books? > > thanks > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorge.paez199 > 4%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorge.paez199 > 4%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Fri Apr 27 23:41:27 2012 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 18:41:27 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] books recommendations Message-ID: <4f9b2eba.1323640a.66d4.56d6@mx.google.com> I know it's on iTunes. Really good book. I've listened to it. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Thanks. Bre Brown helped me subscribe. I live in Louisiana and met at the Louisiana State Convention. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: wish I could claim that, but sadly, it wasn't me. I'm not a big Glee fan, and besides, I doubt they let ninth graders do cool stuff like that. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: What showcase of talent? The one at Buddy Camp? ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Yep. As someone else said, it was created by NFB and some other company that I can't remember off the top of my head. The App is free, and it's totally iPhone accessible. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jorge Paez wrote: Hi, So one of the features of the kendle from what i hear is that it will recommend books to you based on what you've read on kendle. I gather the Kendle is not accessible. True? if so, does anyone know of a mac ap or IOS ap that will recommend books to you based on ∑i don't know, something you've read? also, does anyone know of anything that will read or translate epub or mobi format books? thanks _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorge.paez199 4%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorge.paez199 4%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Sat Apr 28 00:24:36 2012 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:24:36 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] *For High School Students Only* Nabs High School Committee Presents: Bullies and Blindness. Message-ID: To All High School Students list of 3 items • Have you been bullied because of your blindness? • Do you ever worry about what would happen if you were to be bullied? • Would you like to seek advice from other blind students? list end Join the NABS high school group to discuss these situations and ways to handle them on Sunday April 29th at 7:00 p.m eastern. Call: 712-775-7100 Pass code: 257963 We look forward to talking to you: NABS High School Committee From zach2012 at chickerland.com Sat Apr 28 00:45:40 2012 From: zach2012 at chickerland.com (Zach) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 18:45:40 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [Nmabs] *For High School Students Only* Nabs High School CommitteePresents: Bullies and Blindness. Message-ID: Sent from my BRAILLENOTE Apex ---- Original Message ------ From: Darian Smith References: <4f9b0f85.046a650a.42b1.440d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <005c01cd24dc$50f32710$f2d97530$@com> It's absolutely on Bookshare. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 1:33 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations Hmmm! Back to the topic of books! I haven't followed this thread, so I have to ask about a book, and how I could find it. I'm looking for the book, "1984," by George Orwell. I don't know, if it's where I can download it from Bookshare, or not. Does anyone know? Thanks, Joshua On 4/27/12, Sophie Trist wrote: > Thanks. Bre Brown helped me subscribe. I live in Louisiana and met at > the Louisiana State Convention. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Wow! > BTW, welcome to the list. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 4/27/12, Sophie Trist wrote: > wish I could claim that, but sadly, it wasn't me. I'm not a big Glee > fan, and besides, I doubt they let ninth graders do cool stuff like > that. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > There was a girl named Sophie, that sang a song from Glee, last > year, in Orlando, at convention. > Thanks, Joshua > > On 4/27/12, Sophie Trist wrote: > What showcase of talent? The one at Buddy Camp? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:02:13 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Sophie, it's Kurzweil! > Hey! > Weren't you the one that sang, at the showcase of talent, last > year? > Just curious, (I know I'm off topic.) > Thanks, Joshua > > On 4/26/12, Sophie Trist wrote: > Yep. As someone else said, it was created by NFB and some other > company that I can't remember off the top of my head. The App is > free, and it's totally iPhone accessible. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jorge Paez To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:45:55 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Nice. > And its 100% accessible on the iPhone? > > > On Apr 26, 2012, at 8:52 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: > > It's E-books, but the app allows you to purchase a voice that > will read the E-book aloud. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jorge Paez To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:13:03 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Is Blio only ebooks or also audio? > > > > On Apr 26, 2012, at 6:07 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: > > Blio works really well. It's online, but it's also an App you > can download on your iPhone. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:21:13 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Valerie, have you heard of the Blio? > http://www.blio.com > This is the online version of the KNFB reader, which is the > accessible > Kendall, for the blind. > Thanks, Joshua > > On 4/26/12, Valerie Gibson wrote: > Hi, > > So one of the features of the kendle from what i hear is that > it > will > recommend books to you based on what you've read on kendle. > I gather the Kendle is not accessible. True? > if so, does anyone know of a mac ap or IOS ap that will > recommend books to > you based on $B-t(Bi don't know, something you've read? > > also, does anyone know of anything that will read or translate > epub or mobi > format books? > > thanks > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at 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http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p ccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aubielynn%40gmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sat Apr 28 03:50:11 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 22:50:11 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Problems with Yahoo Groups! Message-ID: My Yahoo Group is giving me problems! It won't let anyone post new topics! I thought, it was too full, but that wasn't the problem. What's going on? A friend of mine is having problems with her group, as well, in accessing the archives. Thanks, Joshua From jenandnixon at gmail.com Sat Apr 28 04:40:50 2012 From: jenandnixon at gmail.com (Jen And Nixon) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:40:50 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Problems with Yahoo Groups! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7F2999DA-80E9-45BE-8D0B-1F207D11B4BD@gmail.com> The server is completely down. It isn't you that is the problem. It has been down since early this morning. Normally, since I moderate a number of lists there as well, we get notified via moderator central of any scheduled maintenance. There is a huge server glitch right now. Just hold off sending mail for the time being as you will only get a delivery failure. I don't even know if they are working on resolving the problem since there is no indication on the site. The web site works; however, mail delivery is the problem. I'm not sure how long this will get resolved as customer care only work Monday through Friday. Hope this information helps! Jen Sent from my iPhone On 2012-04-27, at 8:50 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > My Yahoo Group is giving me problems! > It won't let anyone post new topics! > I thought, it was too full, but that wasn't the problem. > What's going on? > A friend of mine is having problems with her group, as well, in > accessing the archives. > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jenandnixon%40gmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sat Apr 28 04:55:04 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 23:55:04 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Problems with Yahoo Groups! In-Reply-To: <7F2999DA-80E9-45BE-8D0B-1F207D11B4BD@gmail.com> References: <7F2999DA-80E9-45BE-8D0B-1F207D11B4BD@gmail.com> Message-ID: Wow! Okay! So, why didn't I get the notification? Also, I've sent mail, and didn't get a delivery failure! It's been acting up, since yesterday. Hmmm! Thanks, Joshua On 4/27/12, Jen And Nixon wrote: > The server is completely down. It isn't you that is the problem. It has been > down since early this morning. Normally, since I moderate a number of lists > there as well, we get notified via moderator central of any scheduled > maintenance. There is a huge server glitch right now. Just hold off sending > mail for the time being as you will only get a delivery failure. I don't > even know if they are working on resolving the problem since there is no > indication on the site. The web site works; however, mail delivery is the > problem. I'm not sure how long this will get resolved as customer care only > work Monday through Friday. > > Hope this information helps! > > Jen > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2012-04-27, at 8:50 PM, Joshua Lester > wrote: > >> My Yahoo Group is giving me problems! >> It won't let anyone post new topics! >> I thought, it was too full, but that wasn't the problem. >> What's going on? >> A friend of mine is having problems with her group, as well, in >> accessing the archives. >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jenandnixon%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sat Apr 28 12:01:16 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:01:16 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Ypdate on Yahoo Groups! Message-ID: The server is back up, and my group is up, and running, again! Thanks, to the one who responded, last night, when I was having problems. Blessings, Joshua From isaac.hebert at gmail.com Sat Apr 28 18:53:59 2012 From: isaac.hebert at gmail.com (Isaac Hebert) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 13:53:59 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] nabs-l Digest, Vol 66, Issue 35 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: audible from audible.com is a great app. On 4/28/12, nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org wrote: > Send nabs-l mailing list submissions to > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of nabs-l digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: books recommendations (Sophie Trist) > 2. Re: books recommendations (Joshua Lester) > 3. Re: books recommendations (Sophie Trist) > 4. Re: books recommendations (Joshua Lester) > 5. Re: books recommendations (Sophie Trist) > 6. *For High School Students Only* Nabs High School Committee > Presents: Bullies and Blindness. (Darian Smith) > 7. FW: [Nmabs] *For High School Students Only* Nabs High School > CommitteePresents: Bullies and Blindness. (Zach) > 8. Re: books recommendations (Aubrie Lucas) > 9. Problems with Yahoo Groups! (Joshua Lester) > 10. Re: Problems with Yahoo Groups! (Jen And Nixon) > 11. Re: Problems with Yahoo Groups! (Joshua Lester) > 12. Ypdate on Yahoo Groups! (Joshua Lester) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:55:15 -0500 > From: Sophie Trist > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > Message-ID: <4f9b07c6.2215640a.24b4.4194 at mx.google.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=EUC-KR; format=flowed > > wish I could claim that, but sadly, it wasn't me. I'm not a big > Glee fan, and besides, I doubt they let ninth graders do cool > stuff like that. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 08:57:02 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > There was a girl named Sophie, that sang a song from Glee, last > year, > in Orlando, at convention. > Thanks, Joshua > > On 4/27/12, Sophie Trist wrote: > What showcase of talent? The one at Buddy Camp? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:02:13 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Sophie, it's Kurzweil! > Hey! > Weren't you the one that sang, at the showcase of talent, last > year? > Just curious, (I know I'm off topic.) > Thanks, Joshua > > On 4/26/12, Sophie Trist wrote: > Yep. As someone else said, it was created by NFB and some other > company that I can't remember off the top of my head. The App > is > free, and it's totally iPhone accessible. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jorge Paez To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:45:55 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Nice. > And its 100% accessible on the iPhone? > > > On Apr 26, 2012, at 8:52 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: > > It's E-books, but the app allows you to purchase a voice that > will read the E-book aloud. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jorge Paez To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:13:03 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Is Blio only ebooks or also audio? > > > > On Apr 26, 2012, at 6:07 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: > > Blio works really well. It's online, but it's also an App you > can download on your iPhone. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:21:13 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Valerie, have you heard of the Blio? > http://www.blio.com > This is the online version of the KNFB reader, which is the > accessible > Kendall, for the blind. > Thanks, Joshua > > On 4/26/12, Valerie Gibson wrote: > Hi, > > So one of the features of the kendle from what i hear is that > it > will > recommend books to you based on what you've read on kendle. > I gather the Kendle is not accessible. True? > if so, does anyone know of a mac ap or IOS ap that will > recommend books to > you based on ?i don't know, something you've read? > > also, does anyone know of anything that will read or translate > epub or mobi > format books? > > thanks > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorge.paez199 > 4%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorge.paez199 > 4%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:58:44 -0500 > From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=EUC-KR > > Wow! > BTW, welcome to the list. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 4/27/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >> wish I could claim that, but sadly, it wasn't me. I'm not a big >> Glee fan, and besides, I doubt they let ninth graders do cool >> stuff like that. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 08:57:02 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >> >> There was a girl named Sophie, that sang a song from Glee, last >> year, >> in Orlando, at convention. >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> On 4/27/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >> What showcase of talent? The one at Buddy Camp? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:02:13 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >> >> Sophie, it's Kurzweil! >> Hey! >> Weren't you the one that sang, at the showcase of talent, last >> year? >> Just curious, (I know I'm off topic.) >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> On 4/26/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >> Yep. As someone else said, it was created by NFB and some other >> company that I can't remember off the top of my head. The App >> is >> free, and it's totally iPhone accessible. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Jorge Paez > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:45:55 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >> >> Nice. >> And its 100% accessible on the iPhone? >> >> >> On Apr 26, 2012, at 8:52 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: >> >> It's E-books, but the app allows you to purchase a voice that >> will read the E-book aloud. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Jorge Paez > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:13:03 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >> >> Is Blio only ebooks or also audio? >> >> >> >> On Apr 26, 2012, at 6:07 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: >> >> Blio works really well. It's online, but it's also an App you >> can download on your iPhone. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:21:13 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >> >> Valerie, have you heard of the Blio? >> http://www.blio.com >> This is the online version of the KNFB reader, which is the >> accessible >> Kendall, for the blind. >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> On 4/26/12, Valerie Gibson wrote: >> Hi, >> >> So one of the features of the kendle from what i hear is that >> it >> will >> recommend books to you based on what you've read on kendle. >> I gather the Kendle is not accessible. True? >> if so, does anyone know of a mac ap or IOS ap that will >> recommend books to >> you based on ?i don't know, something you've read? >> >> also, does anyone know of anything that will read or translate >> epub or mobi >> format books? >> >> thanks >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >> 0students.pccua.edu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for nabs-l: >> >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >> r%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for nabs-l: >> >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorge.paez199 >> 4%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for nabs-l: >> >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >> r%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for nabs-l: >> >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorge.paez199 >> 4%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info >> for nabs-l: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >> r%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >> 0students.pccua.edu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info >> for nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >> r%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >> 0students.pccua.edu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >> r%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:28:18 -0500 > From: Sophie Trist > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > Message-ID: <4f9b0f85.046a650a.42b1.440d at mx.google.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=EUC-KR; format=flowed > > Thanks. Bre Brown helped me subscribe. I live in Louisiana and > met at the Louisiana State Convention. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:58:44 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Wow! > BTW, welcome to the list. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 4/27/12, Sophie Trist wrote: > wish I could claim that, but sadly, it wasn't me. I'm not a big > Glee fan, and besides, I doubt they let ninth graders do cool > stuff like that. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 08:57:02 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > There was a girl named Sophie, that sang a song from Glee, last > year, > in Orlando, at convention. > Thanks, Joshua > > On 4/27/12, Sophie Trist wrote: > What showcase of talent? The one at Buddy Camp? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:02:13 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Sophie, it's Kurzweil! > Hey! > Weren't you the one that sang, at the showcase of talent, last > year? > Just curious, (I know I'm off topic.) > Thanks, Joshua > > On 4/26/12, Sophie Trist wrote: > Yep. As someone else said, it was created by NFB and some > other > company that I can't remember off the top of my head. The App > is > free, and it's totally iPhone accessible. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jorge Paez To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:45:55 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Nice. > And its 100% accessible on the iPhone? > > > On Apr 26, 2012, at 8:52 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: > > It's E-books, but the app allows you to purchase a voice that > will read the E-book aloud. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jorge Paez To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:13:03 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Is Blio only ebooks or also audio? > > > > On Apr 26, 2012, at 6:07 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: > > Blio works really well. It's online, but it's also an App you > can download on your iPhone. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:21:13 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Valerie, have you heard of the Blio? > http://www.blio.com > This is the online version of the KNFB reader, which is the > accessible > Kendall, for the blind. > Thanks, Joshua > > On 4/26/12, Valerie Gibson wrote: > Hi, > > So one of the features of the kendle from what i hear is that > it > will > recommend books to you based on what you've read on kendle. > I gather the Kendle is not accessible. True? > if so, does anyone know of a mac ap or IOS ap that will > recommend books to > you based on ?i don't know, something you've read? > > also, does anyone know of anything that will read or > translate > epub or mobi > format books? > > thanks > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorge.paez199 > 4%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorge.paez199 > 4%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:32:51 -0500 > From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=EUC-KR > > Hmmm! > Back to the topic of books! > I haven't followed this thread, so I have to ask about a book, and how > I could find it. > I'm looking for the book, "1984," by George Orwell. > I don't know, if it's where I can download it from Bookshare, or not. > Does anyone know? > Thanks, Joshua > > On 4/27/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >> Thanks. Bre Brown helped me subscribe. I live in Louisiana and >> met at the Louisiana State Convention. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:58:44 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >> >> Wow! >> BTW, welcome to the list. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 4/27/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >> wish I could claim that, but sadly, it wasn't me. I'm not a big >> Glee fan, and besides, I doubt they let ninth graders do cool >> stuff like that. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 08:57:02 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >> >> There was a girl named Sophie, that sang a song from Glee, last >> year, >> in Orlando, at convention. >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> On 4/27/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >> What showcase of talent? The one at Buddy Camp? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:02:13 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >> >> Sophie, it's Kurzweil! >> Hey! >> Weren't you the one that sang, at the showcase of talent, last >> year? >> Just curious, (I know I'm off topic.) >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> On 4/26/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >> Yep. As someone else said, it was created by NFB and some >> other >> company that I can't remember off the top of my head. The App >> is >> free, and it's totally iPhone accessible. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Jorge Paez > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:45:55 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >> >> Nice. >> And its 100% accessible on the iPhone? >> >> >> On Apr 26, 2012, at 8:52 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: >> >> It's E-books, but the app allows you to purchase a voice that >> will read the E-book aloud. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Jorge Paez > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:13:03 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >> >> Is Blio only ebooks or also audio? >> >> >> >> On Apr 26, 2012, at 6:07 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: >> >> Blio works really well. It's online, but it's also an App you >> can download on your iPhone. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:21:13 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >> >> Valerie, have you heard of the Blio? >> http://www.blio.com >> This is the online version of the KNFB reader, which is the >> accessible >> Kendall, for the blind. >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> On 4/26/12, Valerie Gibson wrote: >> Hi, >> >> So one of the features of the kendle from what i hear is that >> it >> will >> recommend books to you based on what you've read on kendle. >> I gather the Kendle is not accessible. True? >> if so, does anyone know of a mac ap or IOS ap that will >> recommend books to >> you based on ?i don't know, something you've read? >> >> also, does anyone know of anything that will read or >> translate >> epub or mobi >> format books? >> >> thanks >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >> 0students.pccua.edu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for nabs-l: >> >> >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >> r%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for nabs-l: >> >> >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorge.paez199 >> 4%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for nabs-l: >> >> >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >> r%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for nabs-l: >> >> >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorge.paez199 >> 4%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info >> for nabs-l: >> >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >> r%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >> 0students.pccua.edu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info >> for nabs-l: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >> r%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >> 0students.pccua.edu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info >> for nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >> r%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >> 0students.pccua.edu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >> r%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 18:41:27 -0500 > From: Sophie Trist > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > Message-ID: <4f9b2eba.1323640a.66d4.56d6 at mx.google.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=EUC-KR; format=flowed > > I know it's on iTunes. Really good book. I've listened to it. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:32:51 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Hmmm! > Back to the topic of books! > I haven't followed this thread, so I have to ask about a book, > and how > I could find it. > I'm looking for the book, "1984," by George Orwell. > I don't know, if it's where I can download it from Bookshare, or > not. > Does anyone know? > Thanks, Joshua > > On 4/27/12, Sophie Trist wrote: > Thanks. Bre Brown helped me subscribe. I live in Louisiana and > met at the Louisiana State Convention. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:58:44 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Wow! > BTW, welcome to the list. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 4/27/12, Sophie Trist wrote: > wish I could claim that, but sadly, it wasn't me. I'm not a big > Glee fan, and besides, I doubt they let ninth graders do cool > stuff like that. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 08:57:02 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > There was a girl named Sophie, that sang a song from Glee, last > year, > in Orlando, at convention. > Thanks, Joshua > > On 4/27/12, Sophie Trist wrote: > What showcase of talent? The one at Buddy Camp? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:02:13 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Sophie, it's Kurzweil! > Hey! > Weren't you the one that sang, at the showcase of talent, last > year? > Just curious, (I know I'm off topic.) > Thanks, Joshua > > On 4/26/12, Sophie Trist wrote: > Yep. As someone else said, it was created by NFB and some > other > company that I can't remember off the top of my head. The App > is > free, and it's totally iPhone accessible. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jorge Paez To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:45:55 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Nice. > And its 100% accessible on the iPhone? > > > On Apr 26, 2012, at 8:52 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: > > It's E-books, but the app allows you to purchase a voice > that > will read the E-book aloud. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jorge Paez To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:13:03 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Is Blio only ebooks or also audio? > > > > On Apr 26, 2012, at 6:07 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: > > Blio works really well. It's online, but it's also an App > you > can download on your iPhone. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:21:13 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Valerie, have you heard of the Blio? > http://www.blio.com > This is the online version of the KNFB reader, which is the > accessible > Kendall, for the blind. > Thanks, Joshua > > On 4/26/12, Valerie Gibson wrote: > Hi, > > So one of the features of the kendle from what i hear is > that > it > will > recommend books to you based on what you've read on kendle. > I gather the Kendle is not accessible. True? > if so, does anyone know of a mac ap or IOS ap that will > recommend books to > you based on ?i don't know, something you've read? > > also, does anyone know of anything that will read or > translate > epub or mobi > format books? > > thanks > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at 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Nfbwvabs at nfbnet.org, Minnesota Students , > Kentucky Students , massabs at nfbnet.org, cabs-talk > , aabs-forum at nfbnet.org, New Jersey Students > , mabs , Florida Students > , wabs at nfbwis.org, Utah Students , > kansas-blind-students at nfbnet.org, Nebraska > , National Association of Blind > Students mailing list , Tennessee Students > , Illinois Students , Nyabs > , Oabs at nfbnet.org, New Hampshire Students > , Louisiana Students > , New Mexico Association of Blind Students > , Gabs at nfbnet.org, Virginia Students > , North Carolina Students , > mi-abs at nfbnet.org, List for NABS State Presidents > , cabs at nfbnet.org, Texas Association of > Blind Students , mdabs > Subject: [nabs-l] *For High School Students Only* Nabs High School > Committee Presents: Bullies and Blindness. > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > To All High School Students > > list of 3 items > ? Have you been bullied because of your blindness? > ? Do you ever worry about what would happen if you were to be bullied? > ? Would you like to seek advice from other blind students? > list end > > > Join the NABS high school group to discuss these situations and ways > to handle them on Sunday April 29th at 7:00 p.m eastern. > > Call: 712-775-7100 > > Pass code: 257963 > > We look forward to talking to you: > > NABS High School Committee > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 18:45:40 -0600 > From: Zach > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org, blindtlk at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [Nmabs] *For High School Students Only* Nabs > High School CommitteePresents: Bullies and Blindness. > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed > > Sent from my BRAILLENOTE Apex > > ---- Original Message ------ > From: Darian Smith Subject: [Nmabs] *For High School Students Only* Nabs High School > CommitteePresents: Bullies and Blindness. > Date sent: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:24:36 -0700 > > To All High School Students > > ? Have you been bullied because of your blindness? > ? Do you ever worry about what would happen if you were to be > bullied? > ? Would you like to seek advice from other blind students? > > Join the NABS high school group to discuss these situations and > ways > to handle them on Sunday April 29th at 7:00 p.m eastern > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:14:50 -0800 > From: "Aubrie Lucas" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > Message-ID: <005c01cd24dc$50f32710$f2d97530$@com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" > > It's absolutely on Bookshare. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 1:33 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Hmmm! > Back to the topic of books! > I haven't followed this thread, so I have to ask about a book, and how I > could find it. > I'm looking for the book, "1984," by George Orwell. > I don't know, if it's where I can download it from Bookshare, or not. > Does anyone know? > Thanks, Joshua > > On 4/27/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >> Thanks. Bre Brown helped me subscribe. I live in Louisiana and met at >> the Louisiana State Convention. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >> >> Wow! >> BTW, welcome to the list. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 4/27/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >> wish I could claim that, but sadly, it wasn't me. I'm not a big Glee >> fan, and besides, I doubt they let ninth graders do cool stuff like >> that. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >> >> There was a girl named Sophie, that sang a song from Glee, last >> year, in Orlando, at convention. >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> On 4/27/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >> What showcase of talent? The one at Buddy Camp? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:02:13 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >> >> Sophie, it's Kurzweil! >> Hey! >> Weren't you the one that sang, at the showcase of talent, last >> year? >> Just curious, (I know I'm off topic.) >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> On 4/26/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >> Yep. As someone else said, it was created by NFB and some other >> company that I can't remember off the top of my head. The App is >> free, and it's totally iPhone accessible. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Jorge Paez > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:45:55 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >> >> Nice. >> And its 100% accessible on the iPhone? >> >> >> On Apr 26, 2012, at 8:52 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: >> >> It's E-books, but the app allows you to purchase a voice that >> will read the E-book aloud. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Jorge Paez > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:13:03 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >> >> Is Blio only ebooks or also audio? >> >> >> >> On Apr 26, 2012, at 6:07 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: >> >> Blio works really well. It's online, but it's also an App you >> can download on your iPhone. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:21:13 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >> >> Valerie, have you heard of the Blio? >> http://www.blio.com >> This is the online version of the KNFB reader, which is the >> accessible >> Kendall, for the blind. >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> On 4/26/12, Valerie Gibson wrote: >> Hi, >> >> So one of the features of the kendle from what i hear is that >> it >> will >> recommend books to you based on what you've read on kendle. >> I gather the Kendle is not accessible. True? >> if so, does anyone know of a mac ap or IOS ap that will >> recommend books to >> you based on ?i don't know, something you've read? >> >> also, does anyone know of anything that will read or translate >> epub or mobi >> format books? >> >> thanks >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >> 0students.pccua.edu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for nabs-l: >> >> >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >> r%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ 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http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aubielynn%40gmail.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 22:50:11 -0500 > From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: [nabs-l] Problems with Yahoo Groups! > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > My Yahoo Group is giving me problems! > It won't let anyone post new topics! > I thought, it was too full, but that wasn't the problem. > What's going on? > A friend of mine is having problems with her group, as well, in > accessing the archives. > Thanks, Joshua > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:40:50 -0700 > From: Jen And Nixon > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Cc: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Problems with Yahoo Groups! > Message-ID: <7F2999DA-80E9-45BE-8D0B-1F207D11B4BD at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > The server is completely down. It isn't you that is the problem. It has been > down since early this morning. Normally, since I moderate a number of lists > there as well, we get notified via moderator central of any scheduled > maintenance. There is a huge server glitch right now. Just hold off sending > mail for the time being as you will only get a delivery failure. I don't > even know if they are working on resolving the problem since there is no > indication on the site. The web site works; however, mail delivery is the > problem. I'm not sure how long this will get resolved as customer care only > work Monday through Friday. > > Hope this information helps! > > Jen > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2012-04-27, at 8:50 PM, Joshua Lester > wrote: > >> My Yahoo Group is giving me problems! >> It won't let anyone post new topics! >> I thought, it was too full, but that wasn't the problem. >> What's going on? >> A friend of mine is having problems with her group, as well, in >> accessing the archives. >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jenandnixon%40gmail.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 23:55:04 -0500 > From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Problems with Yahoo Groups! > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Wow! > Okay! > So, why didn't I get the notification? > Also, I've sent mail, and didn't get a delivery failure! > It's been acting up, since yesterday. > Hmmm! > Thanks, Joshua > > On 4/27/12, Jen And Nixon wrote: >> The server is completely down. It isn't you that is the problem. It has >> been >> down since early this morning. Normally, since I moderate a number of >> lists >> there as well, we get notified via moderator central of any scheduled >> maintenance. There is a huge server glitch right now. Just hold off >> sending >> mail for the time being as you will only get a delivery failure. I don't >> even know if they are working on resolving the problem since there is no >> indication on the site. The web site works; however, mail delivery is the >> problem. I'm not sure how long this will get resolved as customer care >> only >> work Monday through Friday. >> >> Hope this information helps! >> >> Jen >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 2012-04-27, at 8:50 PM, Joshua Lester >> wrote: >> >>> My Yahoo Group is giving me problems! >>> It won't let anyone post new topics! >>> I thought, it was too full, but that wasn't the problem. >>> What's going on? >>> A friend of mine is having problems with her group, as well, in >>> accessing the archives. >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jenandnixon%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:01:16 -0500 > From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: [nabs-l] Ypdate on Yahoo Groups! > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > The server is back up, and my group is up, and running, again! > Thanks, to the one who responded, last night, when I was having problems. > Blessings, Joshua > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > End of nabs-l Digest, Vol 66, Issue 35 > ************************************** > From gloria.graves at gmail.com Sat Apr 28 21:01:38 2012 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 16:01:38 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] downloadable webster dictionary Message-ID: Hello All, I was wondering if anyone knew where I could download a dictionary to keep on my computer? I would like to be able to have it in a document and be able to go and search for a word. Please let me know. Thanks From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sat Apr 28 21:05:57 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 16:05:57 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] downloadable webster dictionary In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Gloria. Can you download it from Bookshare? Thanks, Joshua On 4/28/12, Gloria G wrote: > Hello All, > I was wondering if anyone knew where I could download a dictionary to keep > on my computer? I would like to be able to have it in a document and be able > to go and search for a word. Please let me know. > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From gloria.graves at gmail.com Sat Apr 28 21:57:39 2012 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 16:57:39 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] downloadable webster dictionary References: Message-ID: Hey, Thanks for that idea. I didn't think of that. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] downloadable webster dictionary > Hi, Gloria. > Can you download it from Bookshare? > Thanks, Joshua > > On 4/28/12, Gloria G wrote: >> Hello All, >> I was wondering if anyone knew where I could download a dictionary to >> keep >> on my computer? I would like to be able to have it in a document and be >> able >> to go and search for a word. Please let me know. >> Thanks >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From trising at sbcglobal.net Sat Apr 28 22:43:08 2012 From: trising at sbcglobal.net (trising) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 18:43:08 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] downloadable webster dictionary In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I remember that in the late 1980s or 90s you could get one on floppy disks from RFB I will check to see if I still have it. Nick From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sat Apr 28 22:54:07 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 17:54:07 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] downloadable webster dictionary In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wow! That's going way back! Floppy disks were something else! I remembered certain computer games, that were blind accessible, and my former TVI got them for me. We'd play them, if I did my work, like I was supposed to, every Friday, when I was in Kindergarten, and First Grade! Wow! Brings back memories. Blessings, Joshua On 4/28/12, trising wrote: > I remember that in the late 1980s or 90s you could get one on floppy disks > from RFB I will check to see if I still have it. > > Nick > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Apr 28 23:00:11 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 19:00:11 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] books recommendations Message-ID: <4f9c76b2.451b340a.683b.4fa9@mx.google.com> Hi Sophie, If you're new to the list, as I'm guessing you are since I haven't seen your name on here before, welcome to the list!! If you're talking about Blio, yes it is totally accessible both on the iPhone and on the PC; in fact, it was developed with accessibility in mind, not as an afterthought like most programs. It was developed by KNFB Reading Technologies, which is a partnership between the NFB and Kurzweil Technologies, Ray Kurzweil's company. Thanks, Chris Chris Nusbaum "For we walk by faith, not by sight." 2 Corinthians 5:7 Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Sophie Trist wrote: Hi, So one of the features of the kendle from what i hear is that it will recommend books to you based on what you've read on kendle. I gather the Kendle is not accessible. True? if so, does anyone know of a mac ap or IOS ap that will recommend books to you based on ∑i don't know, something you've read? also, does anyone know of anything that will read or translate epub or mobi format books? thanks _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorge.paez199 4%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorge.paez199 4%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Apr 28 23:00:24 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 19:00:24 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] books recommendations Message-ID: <4f9c76be.451b340a.683b.4fb3@mx.google.com> I don't think there's an age limit; in fact, at our state convention here in Maryland, most of the Showcase of Talent participants are young kids and students. BTW, I'm in 8th grade, so having a 9th grader on here is awesome! Finally have someone on here about my age! Chris Nusbaum "For we walk by faith, not by sight." 2 Corinthians 5:7 Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Sophie Trist wrote: What showcase of talent? The one at Buddy Camp? ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Yep. As someone else said, it was created by NFB and some other company that I can't remember off the top of my head. The App is free, and it's totally iPhone accessible. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jorge Paez wrote: Hi, So one of the features of the kendle from what i hear is that it will recommend books to you based on what you've read on kendle. I gather the Kendle is not accessible. True? if so, does anyone know of a mac ap or IOS ap that will recommend books to you based on ∑i don't know, something you've read? also, does anyone know of anything that will read or translate epub or mobi format books? thanks _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorge.paez199 4%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorge.paez199 4%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Apr 28 23:00:30 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 19:00:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] books recommendations Message-ID: <4f9c76c4.451b340a.683b.4fbb@mx.google.com> Hey Sophie, have you been to LCB? Chris Nusbaum "For we walk by faith, not by sight." 2 Corinthians 5:7 Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Sophie Trist wrote: wish I could claim that, but sadly, it wasn't me. I'm not a big Glee fan, and besides, I doubt they let ninth graders do cool stuff like that. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: What showcase of talent? The one at Buddy Camp? ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Yep. As someone else said, it was created by NFB and some other company that I can't remember off the top of my head. The App is free, and it's totally iPhone accessible. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jorge Paez wrote: Hi, So one of the features of the kendle from what i hear is that it will recommend books to you based on what you've read on kendle. I gather the Kendle is not accessible. True? if so, does anyone know of a mac ap or IOS ap that will recommend books to you based on ∑i don't know, something you've read? also, does anyone know of anything that will read or translate epub or mobi format books? thanks _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorge.paez199 4%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorge.paez199 4%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Apr 28 23:00:33 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 19:00:33 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] books recommendations Message-ID: <4f9c76c8.451b340a.683b.4fbf@mx.google.com> Try looking it up on Bookshare. Chris Nusbaum "For we walk by faith, not by sight." 2 Corinthians 5:7 Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Thanks. Bre Brown helped me subscribe. I live in Louisiana and met at the Louisiana State Convention. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: wish I could claim that, but sadly, it wasn't me. I'm not a big Glee fan, and besides, I doubt they let ninth graders do cool stuff like that. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: What showcase of talent? The one at Buddy Camp? ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Yep. As someone else said, it was created by NFB and some other company that I can't remember off the top of my head. The App is free, and it's totally iPhone accessible. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jorge Paez wrote: Hi, So one of the features of the kendle from what i hear is that it will recommend books to you based on what you've read on kendle. I gather the Kendle is not accessible. True? if so, does anyone know of a mac ap or IOS ap that will recommend books to you based on ∑i don't know, something you've read? also, does anyone know of anything that will read or translate epub or mobi format books? thanks _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorge.paez199 4%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorge.paez199 4%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From niall.j.gallagher.91 at gmail.com Sat Apr 28 23:48:51 2012 From: niall.j.gallagher.91 at gmail.com (Niall Gallagher) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 00:48:51 +0100 Subject: [nabs-l] Designing Promotional Material In-Reply-To: References: <5874B184-C53B-4FA0-94F2-B3C84D54FBD2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3CD45E21-5917-483C-8AD2-87EBBBD8BB74@gmail.com> Thank you very much Cindy, Ashley, and Jorge for your helpful advice and suggestions. I have conducted some research on the internet, and I think I will use Microsoft Word with a three column page layout. I will have access to a reader at all times during this activity. I have seen some designs online which I will have my reader describe, and I will take inspiration from those. Also, seeing as I will be promoting an existing service in my college, I will analyze some common trends in other designs used in the college's promotional material. Thank you once again, and any further information is always welcome. Kindest regards, Niall Sent from my iPhone On Apr 26, 2012, at 2:41 AM, Jorge Paez wrote: > Also, > if you're printing these out, > you could write up html, which has a lot of easy tags to use for formatting, > and then print it out like you would any other document. > > Jorge > > > > On Apr 25, 2012, at 9:04 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > >> Nile, >> Great question! You could design basic flyers in word. Write the information up and choose a fancy font and add color to it. >> You will need sighted assistance to position the pictures; you can copy those from online and paste them in your document. Bullet lists and bold key words are good tips. If I write up something for an event I might say. >> Who: >> What: >> When: >> Where: >> Why? >> >> I explain the info after each W word and bold the W words: who, what, when, where and why. >> >> I think we could design better flyers if there was some accessible software! Adobe End design and microsoft publisher should be accessible at least somewhat. There is no excuse for microsoft publisher being inaccessible. I t could be tagged to describe the images and we then could create basic cards, flyers, and callendars with it. >> >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Niall Gallagher >> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 6:32 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] Designing Promotional Material >> >> Hey Guys, >> >> I am on work placement at college and one of my future tasks is to design some promotional material for the night courses the institute offers. >> Would anyone have any tips on how they approached this task in the past? >> Are there some publishing packages which would be particularly accessible? >> >> Any information is greatly appreciated. >> >> Kindest regards, >> >> Niall >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorge.paez1994%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/niall.j.gallagher.91%40gmail.com From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Sun Apr 29 00:30:17 2012 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 19:30:17 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] downloadable webster dictionary Message-ID: <4f9c8bae.0f61640a.7b19.ffffb156@mx.google.com> Do you have a braillenote, Gloria? Because if so, the Apex has a dictionary built into it and any other braillenote has a dictionary card you can buy from Humanware. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gloria G" Yeah. I went to camp there last summer. Have you ever been? ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Nusbaum wrote: wish I could claim that, but sadly, it wasn't me. I'm not a big Glee fan, and besides, I doubt they let ninth graders do cool stuff like that. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: What showcase of talent? The one at Buddy Camp? ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Yep. As someone else said, it was created by NFB and some other company that I can't remember off the top of my head. The App is free, and it's totally iPhone accessible. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jorge Paez wrote: Hi, So one of the features of the kendle from what i hear is that it will recommend books to you based on what you've read on kendle. I gather the Kendle is not accessible. True? if so, does anyone know of a mac ap or IOS ap that will recommend books to you based on ∑i don't know, something you've read? also, does anyone know of anything that will read or translate epub or mobi format books? thanks _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorge.paez199 4%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorge.paez199 4%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sun Apr 29 00:37:44 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 19:37:44 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] books recommendations In-Reply-To: <4f9c8cd1.0e55650a.5a73.ffffc9c9@mx.google.com> References: <4f9c8cd1.0e55650a.5a73.ffffc9c9@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Please move this off list. Thanks, Joshua On 4/28/12, Sophie Trist wrote: > Yeah. I went to camp there last summer. Have you ever been? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris Nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list Date sent: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 19:00:30 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Hey Sophie, have you been to LCB? > > Chris Nusbaum > > "For we walk by faith, not by sight." > 2 Corinthians 5:7 > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sophie Trist To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list sent: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:28:18 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Thanks. Bre Brown helped me subscribe. I live in Louisiana and > met at the Louisiana State Convention. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:58:44 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Wow! > BTW, welcome to the list. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 4/27/12, Sophie Trist wrote: > wish I could claim that, but sadly, it wasn't me. I'm not a big > Glee fan, and besides, I doubt they let ninth graders do cool > stuff like that. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 08:57:02 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > There was a girl named Sophie, that sang a song from Glee, last > year, > in Orlando, at convention. > Thanks, Joshua > > On 4/27/12, Sophie Trist wrote: > What showcase of talent? The one at Buddy Camp? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:02:13 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Sophie, it's Kurzweil! > Hey! > Weren't you the one that sang, at the showcase of talent, last > year? > Just curious, (I know I'm off topic.) > Thanks, Joshua > > On 4/26/12, Sophie Trist wrote: > Yep. As someone else said, it was created by NFB and some > other > company that I can't remember off the top of my head. The App > is > free, and it's totally iPhone accessible. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jorge Paez To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:45:55 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Nice. > And its 100% accessible on the iPhone? > > > On Apr 26, 2012, at 8:52 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: > > It's E-books, but the app allows you to purchase a voice that > will read the E-book aloud. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jorge Paez To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:13:03 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Is Blio only ebooks or also audio? > > > > On Apr 26, 2012, at 6:07 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: > > Blio works really well. It's online, but it's also an App > you > can download on your iPhone. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:21:13 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Valerie, have you heard of the Blio? > http://www.blio.com > This is the online version of the KNFB reader, which is the > accessible > Kendall, for the blind. > Thanks, Joshua > > On 4/26/12, Valerie Gibson wrote: > Hi, > > So one of the features of the kendle from what i hear is that > it > will > recommend books to you based on what you've read on kendle. > I gather the Kendle is not accessible. True? > if so, does anyone know of a mac ap or IOS ap that will > recommend books to > you based on ∑i don't know, something you've read? > > also, does anyone know of anything that will read or > translate > epub or mobi > format books? > > thanks > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at 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http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com Sun Apr 29 10:03:56 2012 From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 06:03:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Failure Has Turned Into Success And Our Interview With Mitzi Friedlander Will Take Place Tonight Message-ID: <2E29C8906CA34664BB833A2E7DABEEED@AudioShockWave> Hello Everyone! Life was looking pretty grim around here last week. The folks at Audio Access FM, an online radio station, were prepared to give you an evening with a very popular talking book narrator Mitzi Friedlander. Unfortunately, the technology gremlins decided that they didn't want to chill with a cool talking book narrator. So our technology failed, and many were left with disapointed looks on their faces. But we've been working hard over here. Many sleepless nights were had, and a few of us thought we'd be driven to the funny farm by the men in the white coats, but I'm happy to say that the technology appears to be back on track, and Mitzi Friedlander was good enough to agree to meet with us tonight instead! So our special Evening With Mitzi Friedlander will take place after all! Now, if the name Mitzi Friedlander is unfamiliar to you, you have the opportunity to learn just why so many readers of all ages are unable to forget this incredible lady! That opportunity will come your way tonight at 6 PM eastern time, as Jonathan Matte, host of Anything Entertainment on the internet radio station Audio Access FM, presents An Evening With Mitzi Friedlander." Join Jonathan as he tells Mitzi's story through a live interview with her. You'll learn about Mitzi's career, the books she's read, and so much more. Why is she so famous to talking book readers? You'll just have to tune in tonight to find out! To hear the show live, tune in starting at 6 PM eastern (5 PM central, 4 PM mountain, 3 PM pacific) by going to either http://www.audioaccessfm.com/listen_live.php or if that link gives you trouble, go to http://www.audioaccessfm.com/broadband.php Can't listen with your PC? No problem. The interview can be heard by picking up your cell or lan line phone and dialing 1-712-432-3900 and when prompted, enter in access code 135845 followed by the pound sign. This is a presentation you're sure not to forget, delivered by a young man with a conversational style that will make you feel like you've known Mitzi for years by the time he's done. So, at least for this Sunday, turn off the TV, grab your favorite meal, pull up a chair, and tell your friends to either join us by phone or pc for Anything Entertainment: An Evening With Mitzi Friedlander" tonight, April 29, 2012 beginning at 6 PM eastern on Audio Access FM, Stretching The Boundaries Of Sound Entertainment And Filling Your Life With Sweet Ear Candy! http://www.audioaccessfm.com Can't make the live presentation? If for some reason you can't be there live, send an email to daviddunphy at audioaccessfm.com letting him know you'd like a link to download a recording of the show, and you'll receive the link as soon as it becomes available, which will be shortly after the interview has finished. For all other inquiries about the interview, or if you have any questions about the Anything Entertainment Program, contact the show host, Jonathan Matte at jmatte28 at audioaccessfm.com See You tonight!!! From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Apr 29 13:47:53 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 09:47:53 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] books recommendations In-Reply-To: References: <4f9c8cd1.0e55650a.5a73.ffffc9c9@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <47D5F778A5314175AB149C65325523E8@OwnerPC> josh, you are not the moderator. But I'll say, if you're going to discuss a blindness camp or something else, do change subject lines. -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 8:37 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations Please move this off list. Thanks, Joshua On 4/28/12, Sophie Trist wrote: > Yeah. I went to camp there last summer. Have you ever been? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris Nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list Date sent: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 19:00:30 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Hey Sophie, have you been to LCB? > > Chris Nusbaum > > "For we walk by faith, not by sight." > 2 Corinthians 5:7 > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sophie Trist To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list sent: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:28:18 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Thanks. Bre Brown helped me subscribe. I live in Louisiana and > met at the Louisiana State Convention. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:58:44 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Wow! > BTW, welcome to the list. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 4/27/12, Sophie Trist wrote: > wish I could claim that, but sadly, it wasn't me. I'm not a big > Glee fan, and besides, I doubt they let ninth graders do cool > stuff like that. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 08:57:02 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > There was a girl named Sophie, that sang a song from Glee, last > year, > in Orlando, at convention. > Thanks, Joshua > > On 4/27/12, Sophie Trist wrote: > What showcase of talent? The one at Buddy Camp? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:02:13 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Sophie, it's Kurzweil! > Hey! > Weren't you the one that sang, at the showcase of talent, last > year? > Just curious, (I know I'm off topic.) > Thanks, Joshua > > On 4/26/12, Sophie Trist wrote: > Yep. As someone else said, it was created by NFB and some > other > company that I can't remember off the top of my head. The App > is > free, and it's totally iPhone accessible. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jorge Paez To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:45:55 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Nice. > And its 100% accessible on the iPhone? > > > On Apr 26, 2012, at 8:52 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: > > It's E-books, but the app allows you to purchase a voice that > will read the E-book aloud. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jorge Paez To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:13:03 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Is Blio only ebooks or also audio? > > > > On Apr 26, 2012, at 6:07 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: > > Blio works really well. It's online, but it's also an App > you > can download on your iPhone. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:21:13 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Valerie, have you heard of the Blio? > http://www.blio.com > This is the online version of the KNFB reader, which is the > accessible > Kendall, for the blind. > Thanks, Joshua > > On 4/26/12, Valerie Gibson wrote: > Hi, > > So one of the features of the kendle from what i hear is that > it > will > recommend books to you based on what you've read on kendle. > I gather the Kendle is not accessible. True? > if so, does anyone know of a mac ap or IOS ap that will > recommend books to > you based on ∑i don't know, something you've read? > > also, does anyone know of anything that will read or > translate > epub or mobi > format books? > > thanks > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at 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http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sun Apr 29 14:17:32 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 09:17:32 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] NFB camps Message-ID: I wasn't trying to be the moderator. I was just asking them to take it off list, because my endbox is getting crowded with E-mails. Now, to the camps. The only Summer camps I attended, were at the Arkansas School for the Blind, so I'd like to hear more about these NFB camps, so I can compare them, to the camps I attended, at ASB. Thanks, Joshua On 4/29/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > josh, you are not the moderator. But I'll say, if you're going to discuss a > blindness camp or something else, do change subject lines. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 8:37 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Please move this off list. > Thanks, Joshua > > On 4/28/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >> Yeah. I went to camp there last summer. Have you ever been? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Chris Nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list> Date sent: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 19:00:30 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >> >> Hey Sophie, have you been to LCB? >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> "For we walk by faith, not by sight." >> 2 Corinthians 5:7 >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Sophie Trist > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list> sent: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:28:18 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >> >> Thanks. Bre Brown helped me subscribe. I live in Louisiana and >> met at the Louisiana State Convention. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:58:44 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >> >> Wow! >> BTW, welcome to the list. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 4/27/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >> wish I could claim that, but sadly, it wasn't me. I'm not a big >> Glee fan, and besides, I doubt they let ninth graders do cool >> stuff like that. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 08:57:02 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >> >> There was a girl named Sophie, that sang a song from Glee, last >> year, >> in Orlando, at convention. >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> On 4/27/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >> What showcase of talent? The one at Buddy Camp? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:02:13 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >> >> Sophie, it's Kurzweil! >> Hey! >> Weren't you the one that sang, at the showcase of talent, last >> year? >> Just curious, (I know I'm off topic.) >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> On 4/26/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >> Yep. As someone else said, it was created by NFB and some >> other >> company that I can't remember off the top of my head. The App >> is >> free, and it's totally iPhone accessible. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Jorge Paez > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:45:55 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >> >> Nice. >> And its 100% accessible on the iPhone? >> >> >> On Apr 26, 2012, at 8:52 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: >> >> It's E-books, but the app allows you to purchase a voice that >> will read the E-book aloud. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Jorge Paez > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:13:03 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >> >> Is Blio only ebooks or also audio? >> >> >> >> On Apr 26, 2012, at 6:07 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: >> >> Blio works really well. It's online, but it's also an App >> you >> can download on your iPhone. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:21:13 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >> >> Valerie, have you heard of the Blio? >> http://www.blio.com >> This is the online version of the KNFB reader, which is the >> accessible >> Kendall, for the blind. >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> On 4/26/12, Valerie Gibson wrote: >> Hi, >> >> So one of the features of the kendle from what i hear is that >> it >> will >> recommend books to you based on what you've read on kendle. >> I gather the Kendle is not accessible. True? >> if so, does anyone know of a mac ap or IOS ap that will >> recommend books to >> you based on ∑i don't know, something you've read? >> >> also, does anyone know of anything that will read or >> translate >> epub or mobi >> format books? >> >> thanks >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >> 0students.pccua.edu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for nabs-l: >> >> >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >> r%40gmail.com >> >> >> 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for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >> r%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Sun Apr 29 16:09:39 2012 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 11:09:39 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] NFB camps Message-ID: <4f9d67d9.8255ec0a.6527.ffffda76@mx.google.com> There's=20a=20reeeeeeeeeally=20great=20camp=20at=20Louisiana=20Center=20for= =20the=20 Blind.=20It's=20probably=20a=20lot=20like=20the=20ones=20you=20attended,=20= Joshua,=20 with=20four=20classes=20in=20the=20morning=20(OandM,=20braille,=20home=20ec= ,=20and=20 tech)=20and=20fun=20activitie=20in=20the=20evening. =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20Joshua=20Lester=20=20wrote: =20josh,=20you=20are=20not=20the=20moderator.=20But=20I'll=20say,=20if=20yo= u're=20going=20 to=20discuss=20a =20blindness=20camp=20or=20something=20else,=20do=20change=20subject=20line= s. =20-----Original=20Message----- =20From:=20Joshua=20Lester =20Sent:=20Saturday,=20April=2028,=202012=208:37=20PM =20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list =20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20books=20recommendations =20Please=20move=20this=20off=20list. =20Thanks,=20Joshua =20On=204/28/12,=20Sophie=20Trist=20=20wrote: =20Yeah.=20I=20went=20to=20camp=20there=20last=20summer.=20Have=20you=20eve= r=20been? =20=20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- =20From:=20Chris=20Nusbaum=20=20wrote: =20=20wish=20I=20could=20claim=20that,=20but=20sadly,=20it=20wasn't=20me.=20= =20I'm=20not=20a=20 big =20=20Glee=20fan,=20and=20besides,=20I=20doubt=20they=20let=20ninth=20grade= rs=20do=20cool =20=20stuff=20like=20that. =20=20=20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- =20=20From:=20Joshua=20Lester=20=20wrote: =20=20=20What=20showcase=20of=20talent?=20The=20one=20at=20Buddy=20Camp? =20=20=20=20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- =20=20=20From:=20Joshua=20Lester=20=20wrot= e: =20=20=20=20Yep.=20=20As=20someone=20else=20said,=20it=20was=20created=20by= =20NFB=20and=20some =20other =20=20=20=20company=20that=20I=20can't=20remember=20off=20the=20top=20of=20= my=20head.=20=20The=20 App =20=20is =20=20=20=20free,=20and=20it's=20totally=20iPhone=20accessible. =20=20=20=20=20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- =20=20=20=20From:=20Jorge=20Paez=20=20= wrote: =20=20=20=20=20Hi, =20=20=20=20=20So=20one=20of=20the=20features=20of=20the=20kendle=20from=20= what=20i=20hear=20is=20 that =20=20=20it =20=20=20=20will =20=20=20=20=20recommend=20books=20to=20you=20based=20on=20what=20you've=20= read=20on=20kendle. =20=20=20=20=20I=20gather=20the=20Kendle=20is=20not=20accessible.=20=20True= ? =20=20=20=20=20if=20so,=20does=20anyone=20know=20of=20a=20mac=20ap=20or=20I= OS=20ap=20that=20will =20=20=20=20recommend=20books=20to =20=20=20=20=20you=20based=20on=20=E2=88=91i=20don't=20know,=20something=20= you've=20read? 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http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco= unt=20info=20 for=20nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sun Apr 29 18:05:27 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 13:05:27 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] NFB camps In-Reply-To: <4f9d67d9.8255ec0a.6527.ffffda76@mx.google.com> References: <4f9d67d9.8255ec0a.6527.ffffda76@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hmmm! Yes. We'd always go to different places, as well. Of course, your dorms were better, than the living quarters at the school for the blind. Blessings, Joshua On 4/29/12, Sophie Trist wrote: > There's a reeeeeeeeeally great camp at Louisiana Center for the > Blind. It's probably a lot like the ones you attended, Joshua, > with four classes in the morning (OandM, braille, home ec, and > tech) and fun activitie in the evening. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 09:17:32 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] NFB camps > > I wasn't trying to be the moderator. > I was just asking them to take it off list, because my endbox is > getting crowded with E-mails. > Now, to the camps. > The only Summer camps I attended, were at the Arkansas School for > the > Blind, so I'd like to hear more about these NFB camps, so I can > compare them, to the camps I attended, at ASB. > Thanks, Joshua > > On 4/29/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > josh, you are not the moderator. But I'll say, if you're going > to discuss a > blindness camp or something else, do change subject lines. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 8:37 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Please move this off list. > Thanks, Joshua > > On 4/28/12, Sophie Trist wrote: > Yeah. I went to camp there last summer. Have you ever been? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris Nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list Date sent: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 19:00:30 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Hey Sophie, have you been to LCB? > > Chris Nusbaum > > "For we walk by faith, not by sight." > 2 Corinthians 5:7 > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sophie Trist To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list sent: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:28:18 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Thanks. Bre Brown helped me subscribe. I live in Louisiana and > met at the Louisiana State Convention. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:58:44 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Wow! > BTW, welcome to the list. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 4/27/12, Sophie Trist wrote: > wish I could claim that, but sadly, it wasn't me. I'm not a > big > Glee fan, and besides, I doubt they let ninth graders do cool > stuff like that. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 08:57:02 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > There was a girl named Sophie, that sang a song from Glee, last > year, > in Orlando, at convention. > Thanks, Joshua > > On 4/27/12, Sophie Trist wrote: > What showcase of talent? The one at Buddy Camp? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:02:13 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Sophie, it's Kurzweil! > Hey! > Weren't you the one that sang, at the showcase of talent, last > year? > Just curious, (I know I'm off topic.) > Thanks, Joshua > > On 4/26/12, Sophie Trist wrote: > Yep. As someone else said, it was created by NFB and some > other > company that I can't remember off the top of my head. The > App > is > free, and it's totally iPhone accessible. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jorge Paez To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:45:55 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Nice. > And its 100% accessible on the iPhone? > > > On Apr 26, 2012, at 8:52 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: > > It's E-books, but the app allows you to purchase a voice > that > will read the E-book aloud. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jorge Paez To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:13:03 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Is Blio only ebooks or also audio? > > > > On Apr 26, 2012, at 6:07 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: > > Blio works really well. It's online, but it's also an App > you > can download on your iPhone. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:21:13 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations > > Valerie, have you heard of the Blio? > http://www.blio.com > This is the online version of the KNFB reader, which is the > accessible > Kendall, for the blind. > Thanks, Joshua > > On 4/26/12, Valerie Gibson wrote: > Hi, > > So one of the features of the kendle from what i hear is > that > it > will > recommend books to you based on what you've read on kendle. > I gather the Kendle is not accessible. True? > if so, does anyone know of a mac ap or IOS ap that will > recommend books to > you based on ∑i don't know, something you've read? > > also, does anyone know of anything that will read or > translate > epub or mobi > format books? > > thanks > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at 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Its similar to LCB, but they don't have their own apartments, which I think LCB does. Usually the adults stay in a complex which is somewhere more towards the center of the city if I'm not mistaken. As far as activities, its basically the same thing Sophie described, but for the adult program includes 3 drop off routs and a "graduation" walk which I think is like 5 miles. (I'm guessing LCB does something similar but I've never been there.) Jorge On Apr 29, 2012, at 2:05 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > Hmmm! > Yes. > We'd always go to different places, as well. > Of course, your dorms were better, than the living quarters at the > school for the blind. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 4/29/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >> There's a reeeeeeeeeally great camp at Louisiana Center for the >> Blind. It's probably a lot like the ones you attended, Joshua, >> with four classes in the morning (OandM, braille, home ec, and >> tech) and fun activitie in the evening. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 09:17:32 -0500 >> Subject: [nabs-l] NFB camps >> >> I wasn't trying to be the moderator. >> I was just asking them to take it off list, because my endbox is >> getting crowded with E-mails. >> Now, to the camps. >> The only Summer camps I attended, were at the Arkansas School for >> the >> Blind, so I'd like to hear more about these NFB camps, so I can >> compare them, to the camps I attended, at ASB. >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> On 4/29/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> josh, you are not the moderator. But I'll say, if you're going >> to discuss a >> blindness camp or something else, do change subject lines. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joshua Lester >> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 8:37 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >> >> Please move this off list. >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> On 4/28/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >> Yeah. I went to camp there last summer. Have you ever been? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Chris Nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list> Date sent: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 19:00:30 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >> >> Hey Sophie, have you been to LCB? >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> "For we walk by faith, not by sight." >> 2 Corinthians 5:7 >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Sophie Trist > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list> sent: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:28:18 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >> >> Thanks. Bre Brown helped me subscribe. I live in Louisiana and >> met at the Louisiana State Convention. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:58:44 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >> >> Wow! >> BTW, welcome to the list. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 4/27/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >> wish I could claim that, but sadly, it wasn't me. I'm not a >> big >> Glee fan, and besides, I doubt they let ninth graders do cool >> stuff like that. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 08:57:02 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >> >> There was a girl named Sophie, that sang a song from Glee, last >> year, >> in Orlando, at convention. >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> On 4/27/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >> What showcase of talent? The one at Buddy Camp? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:02:13 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >> >> Sophie, it's Kurzweil! >> Hey! >> Weren't you the one that sang, at the showcase of talent, last >> year? >> Just curious, (I know I'm off topic.) >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> On 4/26/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >> Yep. As someone else said, it was created by NFB and some >> other >> company that I can't remember off the top of my head. The >> App >> is >> free, and it's totally iPhone accessible. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Jorge Paez > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:45:55 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >> >> Nice. >> And its 100% accessible on the iPhone? >> >> >> On Apr 26, 2012, at 8:52 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: >> >> It's E-books, but the app allows you to purchase a voice >> that >> will read the E-book aloud. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Jorge Paez > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:13:03 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >> >> Is Blio only ebooks or also audio? >> >> >> >> On Apr 26, 2012, at 6:07 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: >> >> Blio works really well. It's online, but it's also an App >> you >> can download on your iPhone. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:21:13 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >> >> Valerie, have you heard of the Blio? >> http://www.blio.com >> This is the online version of the KNFB reader, which is the >> accessible >> Kendall, for the blind. >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> On 4/26/12, Valerie Gibson wrote: >> Hi, >> >> So one of the features of the kendle from what i hear is >> that >> it >> will >> recommend books to you based on what you've read on kendle. >> I gather the Kendle is not accessible. True? >> if so, does anyone know of a mac ap or IOS ap that will >> recommend books to >> you based on ∑i don't know, something you've read? >> >> also, does anyone know of anything that will read or >> translate >> epub or mobi >> format books? >> >> thanks >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >> 0students.pccua.edu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for nabs-l: >> >> >> >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >> r%40gmail.com >> >> >> 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Lester) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 14:15:18 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] NFB camps In-Reply-To: <939C7A2B-4D64-4B77-988A-C40CA8A60C4A@gmail.com> References: <4f9d67d9.8255ec0a.6527.ffffda76@mx.google.com> <939C7A2B-4D64-4B77-988A-C40CA8A60C4A@gmail.com> Message-ID: Blind Inc had a song, that they sang at the karioke, two years ago, at convention. I wish I could find the lyrics, somewhere. Blessings, Joshua On 4/29/12, Jorge Paez wrote: > There is also BLIND Inc., which is another great option for NFB camps. > Its similar to LCB, but they don't have their own apartments, which I think > LCB does. > Usually the adults stay in a complex which is somewhere more towards the > center of the city if I'm not mistaken. > As far as activities, > its basically the same thing Sophie described, > but for the adult program includes 3 drop off routs and a "graduation" walk > which I think is like 5 miles. > (I'm guessing LCB does something similar but I've never been there.) > Jorge > > > On Apr 29, 2012, at 2:05 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > >> Hmmm! >> Yes. >> We'd always go to different places, as well. >> Of course, your dorms were better, than the living quarters at the >> school for the blind. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 4/29/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >>> There's a reeeeeeeeeally great camp at Louisiana Center for the >>> Blind. It's probably a lot like the ones you attended, Joshua, >>> with four classes in the morning (OandM, braille, home ec, and >>> tech) and fun activitie in the evening. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Joshua Lester >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 09:17:32 -0500 >>> Subject: [nabs-l] NFB camps >>> >>> I wasn't trying to be the moderator. >>> I was just asking them to take it off list, because my endbox is >>> getting crowded with E-mails. >>> Now, to the camps. >>> The only Summer camps I attended, were at the Arkansas School for >>> the >>> Blind, so I'd like to hear more about these NFB camps, so I can >>> compare them, to the camps I attended, at ASB. >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> On 4/29/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> josh, you are not the moderator. But I'll say, if you're going >>> to discuss a >>> blindness camp or something else, do change subject lines. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Joshua Lester >>> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 8:37 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >>> >>> Please move this off list. >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> On 4/28/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >>> Yeah. I went to camp there last summer. Have you ever been? >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Chris Nusbaum >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> list>> Date sent: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 19:00:30 -0400 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >>> >>> Hey Sophie, have you been to LCB? >>> >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> "For we walk by faith, not by sight." >>> 2 Corinthians 5:7 >>> >>> Sent from my BrailleNote >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Sophie Trist >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> list>> sent: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:28:18 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >>> >>> Thanks. Bre Brown helped me subscribe. I live in Louisiana and >>> met at the Louisiana State Convention. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Joshua Lester >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:58:44 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >>> >>> Wow! >>> BTW, welcome to the list. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 4/27/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >>> wish I could claim that, but sadly, it wasn't me. I'm not a >>> big >>> Glee fan, and besides, I doubt they let ninth graders do cool >>> stuff like that. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Joshua Lester >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 08:57:02 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >>> >>> There was a girl named Sophie, that sang a song from Glee, last >>> year, >>> in Orlando, at convention. >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> On 4/27/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >>> What showcase of talent? The one at Buddy Camp? >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Joshua Lester >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:02:13 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >>> >>> Sophie, it's Kurzweil! >>> Hey! >>> Weren't you the one that sang, at the showcase of talent, last >>> year? >>> Just curious, (I know I'm off topic.) >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> On 4/26/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >>> Yep. As someone else said, it was created by NFB and some >>> other >>> company that I can't remember off the top of my head. The >>> App >>> is >>> free, and it's totally iPhone accessible. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Jorge Paez >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:45:55 -0400 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >>> >>> Nice. >>> And its 100% accessible on the iPhone? >>> >>> >>> On Apr 26, 2012, at 8:52 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: >>> >>> It's E-books, but the app allows you to purchase a voice >>> that >>> will read the E-book aloud. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Jorge Paez >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:13:03 -0400 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >>> >>> Is Blio only ebooks or also audio? >>> >>> >>> >>> On Apr 26, 2012, at 6:07 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: >>> >>> Blio works really well. It's online, but it's also an App >>> you >>> can download on your iPhone. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Joshua Lester >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:21:13 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >>> >>> Valerie, have you heard of the Blio? >>> http://www.blio.com >>> This is the online version of the KNFB reader, which is the >>> accessible >>> Kendall, for the blind. >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> On 4/26/12, Valerie Gibson wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> So one of the features of the kendle from what i hear is >>> that >>> it >>> will >>> recommend books to you based on what you've read on kendle. >>> I gather the Kendle is not accessible. 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http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorge.paez1994%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From amylsabo at comcast.net Sun Apr 29 19:53:45 2012 From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 13:53:45 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] downloadable webster dictionary In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01e501cd2641$ca113ef0$5e33bcd0$@comcast.net> Hello Gloria, As for using a dictionary to put on your computer there is a webster's dictionary on the internet. Just go to www.websters.com And, that's where you will find it! You can then bookmark the site under your favorites so, you have it handy there for your use. Take care and, I will talk to you soon. Hugs, amy -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gloria G Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 3:02 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] downloadable webster dictionary Hello All, I was wondering if anyone knew where I could download a dictionary to keep on my computer? I would like to be able to have it in a document and be able to go and search for a word. Please let me know. Thanks _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40comcast.net From nfbcsoutreach at gmail.com Sun Apr 29 21:22:46 2012 From: nfbcsoutreach at gmail.com (community service Outreach) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 16:22:46 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Cocmmunity service call tonight! Message-ID: Hi, everyone! This is just a reminder that the community service group willl have our membership call tonight. Darian Smith will be speaking about his experiences with community service, his first service project, and why he serves. The call-in information is below. Call: 1-218-339-3600 passcode 808277 When: Sunday, April 29th at 6 ET. Hope to see you there! Julie april CS flyer.doc 24K From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Sun Apr 29 20:27:46 2012 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail CMT) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 17:27:46 -0300 Subject: [nabs-l] NFB camps In-Reply-To: <939C7A2B-4D64-4B77-988A-C40CA8A60C4A@gmail.com> References: <4f9d67d9.8255ec0a.6527.ffffda76@mx.google.com> <939C7A2B-4D64-4B77-988A-C40CA8A60C4A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4DA1B5F2B74342E4AA7B7F86E3E9CF99@userPC> Bism also does that in their adult program. Rania, -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jorge Paez Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 4:07 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NFB camps There is also BLIND Inc., which is another great option for NFB camps. Its similar to LCB, but they don't have their own apartments, which I think LCB does. Usually the adults stay in a complex which is somewhere more towards the center of the city if I'm not mistaken. As far as activities, its basically the same thing Sophie described, but for the adult program includes 3 drop off routs and a "graduation" walk which I think is like 5 miles. (I'm guessing LCB does something similar but I've never been there.) Jorge On Apr 29, 2012, at 2:05 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > Hmmm! > Yes. > We'd always go to different places, as well. > Of course, your dorms were better, than the living quarters at the > school for the blind. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 4/29/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >> There's a reeeeeeeeeally great camp at Louisiana Center for the >> Blind. It's probably a lot like the ones you attended, Joshua, >> with four classes in the morning (OandM, braille, home ec, and >> tech) and fun activitie in the evening. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 09:17:32 -0500 >> Subject: [nabs-l] NFB camps >> >> I wasn't trying to be the moderator. >> I was just asking them to take it off list, because my endbox is >> getting crowded with E-mails. >> Now, to the camps. >> The only Summer camps I attended, were at the Arkansas School for >> the >> Blind, so I'd like to hear more about these NFB camps, so I can >> compare them, to the camps I attended, at ASB. >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> On 4/29/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> josh, you are not the moderator. But I'll say, if you're going >> to discuss a >> blindness camp or something else, do change subject lines. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joshua Lester >> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 8:37 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >> >> Please move this off list. >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> On 4/28/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >> Yeah. I went to camp there last summer. Have you ever been? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Chris Nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list> Date sent: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 19:00:30 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >> >> Hey Sophie, have you been to LCB? >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> "For we walk by faith, not by sight." >> 2 Corinthians 5:7 >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Sophie Trist > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list> sent: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:28:18 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >> >> Thanks. Bre Brown helped me subscribe. I live in Louisiana and >> met at the Louisiana State Convention. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:58:44 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >> >> Wow! >> BTW, welcome to the list. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 4/27/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >> wish I could claim that, but sadly, it wasn't me. I'm not a >> big >> Glee fan, and besides, I doubt they let ninth graders do cool >> stuff like that. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 08:57:02 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >> >> There was a girl named Sophie, that sang a song from Glee, last >> year, >> in Orlando, at convention. >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> On 4/27/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >> What showcase of talent? The one at Buddy Camp? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:02:13 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >> >> Sophie, it's Kurzweil! >> Hey! >> Weren't you the one that sang, at the showcase of talent, last >> year? >> Just curious, (I know I'm off topic.) >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> On 4/26/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >> Yep. As someone else said, it was created by NFB and some >> other >> company that I can't remember off the top of my head. The >> App >> is >> free, and it's totally iPhone accessible. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Jorge Paez > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:45:55 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >> >> Nice. >> And its 100% accessible on the iPhone? >> >> >> On Apr 26, 2012, at 8:52 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: >> >> It's E-books, but the app allows you to purchase a voice >> that >> will read the E-book aloud. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Jorge Paez > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:13:03 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >> >> Is Blio only ebooks or also audio? >> >> >> >> On Apr 26, 2012, at 6:07 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: >> >> Blio works really well. It's online, but it's also an App >> you >> can download on your iPhone. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:21:13 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >> >> Valerie, have you heard of the Blio? >> http://www.blio.com >> This is the online version of the KNFB reader, which is the >> accessible >> Kendall, for the blind. >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> On 4/26/12, Valerie Gibson wrote: >> Hi, >> >> So one of the features of the kendle from what i hear is >> that >> it >> will >> recommend books to you based on what you've read on kendle. >> I gather the Kendle is not accessible. True? >> if so, does anyone know of a mac ap or IOS ap that will >> recommend books to >> you based on $B-t(Bi don't know, something you've read? >> >> also, does anyone know of anything that will read or >> translate >> epub or mobi >> format books? >> >> thanks >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >> 0students.pccua.edu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for nabs-l: >> >> >> >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >> r%40gmail.com >> >> >> 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http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co m From dandrews at visi.com Sun Apr 29 21:44:13 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 16:44:13 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Problems with Yahoo Groups! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is off topic for this list-- and isn't the place to ask. David Andrews, List Owner At 10:50 PM 4/27/2012, you wrote: >My Yahoo Group is giving me problems! >It won't let anyone post new topics! >I thought, it was too full, but that wasn't the problem. >What's going on? >A friend of mine is having problems with her group, as well, in >accessing the archives. >Thanks, Joshua From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Apr 29 21:53:51 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 17:53:51 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] downloadable webster dictionary Message-ID: <4f9db8a5.a371340a.1dc6.fffff1d1@mx.google.com> FYI, the dictionary for the BrailleNote is the Oxford dictionary, not the Webster. Chris Nusbaum "For we walk by faith, not by sight." 2 Corinthians 5:7 Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Sophie Trist References: <4f9d67d9.8255ec0a.6527.ffffda76@mx.google.com> <939C7A2B-4D64-4B77-988A-C40CA8A60C4A@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes, we did. *smile* "You have to fight, for your right, to Blind Inc." That's all I remember of it. On Apr 29, 2012, at 3:15 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > Blind Inc had a song, that they sang at the karioke, two years ago, at > convention. > I wish I could find the lyrics, somewhere. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 4/29/12, Jorge Paez wrote: >> There is also BLIND Inc., which is another great option for NFB camps. >> Its similar to LCB, but they don't have their own apartments, which I think >> LCB does. >> Usually the adults stay in a complex which is somewhere more towards the >> center of the city if I'm not mistaken. >> As far as activities, >> its basically the same thing Sophie described, >> but for the adult program includes 3 drop off routs and a "graduation" walk >> which I think is like 5 miles. >> (I'm guessing LCB does something similar but I've never been there.) >> Jorge >> >> >> On Apr 29, 2012, at 2:05 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: >> >>> Hmmm! >>> Yes. >>> We'd always go to different places, as well. >>> Of course, your dorms were better, than the living quarters at the >>> school for the blind. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 4/29/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >>>> There's a reeeeeeeeeally great camp at Louisiana Center for the >>>> Blind. It's probably a lot like the ones you attended, Joshua, >>>> with four classes in the morning (OandM, braille, home ec, and >>>> tech) and fun activitie in the evening. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Joshua Lester >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>> Date sent: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 09:17:32 -0500 >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] NFB camps >>>> >>>> I wasn't trying to be the moderator. >>>> I was just asking them to take it off list, because my endbox is >>>> getting crowded with E-mails. >>>> Now, to the camps. >>>> The only Summer camps I attended, were at the Arkansas School for >>>> the >>>> Blind, so I'd like to hear more about these NFB camps, so I can >>>> compare them, to the camps I attended, at ASB. >>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>> >>>> On 4/29/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>> josh, you are not the moderator. But I'll say, if you're going >>>> to discuss a >>>> blindness camp or something else, do change subject lines. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 8:37 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >>>> >>>> Please move this off list. >>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>> >>>> On 4/28/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >>>> Yeah. I went to camp there last summer. Have you ever been? >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Chris Nusbaum >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >>>> list>>> Date sent: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 19:00:30 -0400 >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >>>> >>>> Hey Sophie, have you been to LCB? >>>> >>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>> >>>> "For we walk by faith, not by sight." >>>> 2 Corinthians 5:7 >>>> >>>> Sent from my BrailleNote >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Sophie Trist >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >>>> list>>> sent: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:28:18 -0500 >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >>>> >>>> Thanks. Bre Brown helped me subscribe. I live in Louisiana and >>>> met at the Louisiana State Convention. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Joshua Lester >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>> Date sent: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:58:44 -0500 >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >>>> >>>> Wow! >>>> BTW, welcome to the list. >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>> >>>> On 4/27/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >>>> wish I could claim that, but sadly, it wasn't me. I'm not a >>>> big >>>> Glee fan, and besides, I doubt they let ninth graders do cool >>>> stuff like that. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Joshua Lester >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>> Date sent: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 08:57:02 -0500 >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >>>> >>>> There was a girl named Sophie, that sang a song from Glee, last >>>> year, >>>> in Orlando, at convention. >>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>> >>>> On 4/27/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >>>> What showcase of talent? The one at Buddy Camp? >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Joshua Lester >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>> Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:02:13 -0500 >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >>>> >>>> Sophie, it's Kurzweil! >>>> Hey! >>>> Weren't you the one that sang, at the showcase of talent, last >>>> year? >>>> Just curious, (I know I'm off topic.) >>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>> >>>> On 4/26/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >>>> Yep. As someone else said, it was created by NFB and some >>>> other >>>> company that I can't remember off the top of my head. The >>>> App >>>> is >>>> free, and it's totally iPhone accessible. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Jorge Paez >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>> Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:45:55 -0400 >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >>>> >>>> Nice. >>>> And its 100% accessible on the iPhone? >>>> >>>> >>>> On Apr 26, 2012, at 8:52 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: >>>> >>>> It's E-books, but the app allows you to purchase a voice >>>> that >>>> will read the E-book aloud. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Jorge Paez >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>> Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:13:03 -0400 >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >>>> >>>> Is Blio only ebooks or also audio? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Apr 26, 2012, at 6:07 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: >>>> >>>> Blio works really well. It's online, but it's also an App >>>> you >>>> can download on your iPhone. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Joshua Lester >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>> Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:21:13 -0500 >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >>>> >>>> Valerie, have you heard of the Blio? >>>> http://www.blio.com >>>> This is the online version of the KNFB reader, which is the >>>> accessible >>>> Kendall, for the blind. >>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>> >>>> On 4/26/12, Valerie Gibson wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> So one of the features of the kendle from what i hear is >>>> that >>>> it >>>> will >>>> recommend books to you based on what you've read on kendle. >>>> I gather the Kendle is not accessible. True? >>>> if so, does anyone know of a mac ap or IOS ap that will >>>> recommend books to >>>> you based on ∑i don't know, something you've read? >>>> >>>> also, does anyone know of anything that will read or >>>> translate >>>> epub or mobi >>>> format books? >>>> >>>> thanks >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >>>> 0students.pccua.edu >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> info for nabs-l: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 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http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorge.paez1994%40gmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sun Apr 29 22:20:48 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 17:20:48 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] NFB camps In-Reply-To: References: <4f9d67d9.8255ec0a.6527.ffffda76@mx.google.com> <939C7A2B-4D64-4B77-988A-C40CA8A60C4A@gmail.com> Message-ID: LOL! That's all I can remember, too! What bothered me, was that they had all of the lyrics in Braille, for the other songs, but I never had the lyrics to that one. Rania mentioned Bisom, and everyone else talked about LCB, CCB, and Blind Inc. I'd like to see something, closer to Arkansas, for high school kids, in my state. We just need funding. That's what it amounts to. Blessings, Joshua On 4/29/12, Jorge Paez wrote: > Yes, we did. *smile* > "You have to fight, > for your right, > to Blind Inc." > That's all I remember of it. > > > On Apr 29, 2012, at 3:15 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > >> Blind Inc had a song, that they sang at the karioke, two years ago, at >> convention. >> I wish I could find the lyrics, somewhere. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 4/29/12, Jorge Paez wrote: >>> There is also BLIND Inc., which is another great option for NFB camps. >>> Its similar to LCB, but they don't have their own apartments, which I >>> think >>> LCB does. >>> Usually the adults stay in a complex which is somewhere more towards the >>> center of the city if I'm not mistaken. >>> As far as activities, >>> its basically the same thing Sophie described, >>> but for the adult program includes 3 drop off routs and a "graduation" >>> walk >>> which I think is like 5 miles. >>> (I'm guessing LCB does something similar but I've never been there.) >>> Jorge >>> >>> >>> On Apr 29, 2012, at 2:05 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> >>>> Hmmm! >>>> Yes. >>>> We'd always go to different places, as well. >>>> Of course, your dorms were better, than the living quarters at the >>>> school for the blind. >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>> >>>> On 4/29/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >>>>> There's a reeeeeeeeeally great camp at Louisiana Center for the >>>>> Blind. It's probably a lot like the ones you attended, Joshua, >>>>> with four classes in the morning (OandM, braille, home ec, and >>>>> tech) and fun activitie in the evening. >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> >>>> Date sent: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 09:17:32 -0500 >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] NFB camps >>>>> >>>>> I wasn't trying to be the moderator. >>>>> I was just asking them to take it off list, because my endbox is >>>>> getting crowded with E-mails. >>>>> Now, to the camps. >>>>> The only Summer camps I attended, were at the Arkansas School for >>>>> the >>>>> Blind, so I'd like to hear more about these NFB camps, so I can >>>>> compare them, to the camps I attended, at ASB. >>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>> >>>>> On 4/29/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>>> josh, you are not the moderator. But I'll say, if you're going >>>>> to discuss a >>>>> blindness camp or something else, do change subject lines. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 8:37 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >>>>> >>>>> Please move this off list. >>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>> >>>>> On 4/28/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >>>>> Yeah. I went to camp there last summer. Have you ever been? >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Chris Nusbaum >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >>>>> list>>>> Date sent: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 19:00:30 -0400 >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >>>>> >>>>> Hey Sophie, have you been to LCB? >>>>> >>>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>>> >>>>> "For we walk by faith, not by sight." >>>>> 2 Corinthians 5:7 >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my BrailleNote >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Sophie Trist >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >>>>> list>>>> sent: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:28:18 -0500 >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. Bre Brown helped me subscribe. I live in Louisiana and >>>>> met at the Louisiana State Convention. >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> >>>> Date sent: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:58:44 -0500 >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >>>>> >>>>> Wow! >>>>> BTW, welcome to the list. >>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>> >>>>> On 4/27/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >>>>> wish I could claim that, but sadly, it wasn't me. I'm not a >>>>> big >>>>> Glee fan, and besides, I doubt they let ninth graders do cool >>>>> stuff like that. >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> >>>> Date sent: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 08:57:02 -0500 >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >>>>> >>>>> There was a girl named Sophie, that sang a song from Glee, last >>>>> year, >>>>> in Orlando, at convention. >>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>> >>>>> On 4/27/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >>>>> What showcase of talent? The one at Buddy Camp? >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> >>>> Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:02:13 -0500 >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >>>>> >>>>> Sophie, it's Kurzweil! >>>>> Hey! >>>>> Weren't you the one that sang, at the showcase of talent, last >>>>> year? >>>>> Just curious, (I know I'm off topic.) >>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>> >>>>> On 4/26/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >>>>> Yep. As someone else said, it was created by NFB and some >>>>> other >>>>> company that I can't remember off the top of my head. The >>>>> App >>>>> is >>>>> free, and it's totally iPhone accessible. >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Jorge Paez >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> >>>> Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:45:55 -0400 >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >>>>> >>>>> Nice. >>>>> And its 100% accessible on the iPhone? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 26, 2012, at 8:52 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: >>>>> >>>>> It's E-books, but the app allows you to purchase a voice >>>>> that >>>>> will read the E-book aloud. >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Jorge Paez >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> >>>> Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:13:03 -0400 >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >>>>> >>>>> Is Blio only ebooks or also audio? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 26, 2012, at 6:07 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Blio works really well. It's online, but it's also an App >>>>> you >>>>> can download on your iPhone. >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> >>>> Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:21:13 -0500 >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >>>>> >>>>> Valerie, have you heard of the Blio? >>>>> http://www.blio.com >>>>> This is the online version of the KNFB reader, which is the >>>>> accessible >>>>> Kendall, for the blind. >>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>> >>>>> On 4/26/12, Valerie Gibson wrote: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> So one of the features of the kendle from what i hear is >>>>> that >>>>> it >>>>> will >>>>> recommend books to you based on what you've read on kendle. >>>>> I gather the Kendle is not accessible. True? >>>>> if so, does anyone know of a mac ap or IOS ap that will >>>>> recommend books to >>>>> you based on ∑i don't know, something you've read? >>>>> >>>>> also, does anyone know of anything that will read or >>>>> translate >>>>> epub or mobi >>>>> format books? >>>>> >>>>> thanks >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>> info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >>>>> 0students.pccua.edu >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>> info for nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 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_______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorge.paez1994%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Apr 30 00:44:51 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 20:44:51 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] NFB camps Message-ID: <4f9de0b9.c63be00a.4ff6.7775@mx.google.com> Cool! Sophie, did you go to Buddy camp at LCB? If so, please email me off-list so we can chat about the program since I'm going there this summer! Chris Nusbaum "For we walk by faith, not by sight." 2 Corinthians 5:7 Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Sophie Trist wrote: josh, you are not the moderator. But I'll say, if you're going to discuss a blindness camp or something else, do change subject lines. -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 8:37 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations Please move this off list. Thanks, Joshua On 4/28/12, Sophie Trist wrote: Yeah. I went to camp there last summer. Have you ever been? ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Nusbaum wrote: wish I could claim that, but sadly, it wasn't me. I'm not a big Glee fan, and besides, I doubt they let ninth graders do cool stuff like that. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: What showcase of talent? The one at Buddy Camp? ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Yep. As someone else said, it was created by NFB and some other company that I can't remember off the top of my head. The App is free, and it's totally iPhone accessible. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jorge Paez wrote: Hi, So one of the features of the kendle from what i hear is that it will recommend books to you based on what you've read on kendle. I gather the Kendle is not accessible. 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But I'll say, if you're going to discuss a blindness camp or something else, do change subject lines. -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 8:37 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations Please move this off list. Thanks, Joshua On 4/28/12, Sophie Trist wrote: Yeah. I went to camp there last summer. Have you ever been? ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Nusbaum wrote: wish I could claim that, but sadly, it wasn't me. I'm not a big Glee fan, and besides, I doubt they let ninth graders do cool stuff like that. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: What showcase of talent? The one at Buddy Camp? ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Yep. As someone else said, it was created by NFB and some other company that I can't remember off the top of my head. 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I'm not a big Glee fan, and besides, I doubt they let ninth graders do cool stuff like that. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: What showcase of talent? The one at Buddy Camp? ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Yep. As someone else said, it was created by NFB and some other company that I can't remember off the top of my head. The App is free, and it's totally iPhone accessible. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jorge Paez wrote: Hi, So one of the features of the kendle from what i hear is that it will recommend books to you based on what you've read on kendle. I gather the Kendle is not accessible. 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http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Mon Apr 30 01:31:27 2012 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 20:31:27 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] downloadable webster dictionary Message-ID: <4f9deb86.c474ec0a.5fc1.ffffc60a@mx.google.com> Oopsies. By the way, Chris, I like that quote at the bottom of your email signature. ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Nusbaum Hi all, I’m in an I T class and need to learn a database. Access seems inaccessible. Anyone used My SQL? If so, how do you read it with jaws and is it accessible? I’ve never seen it so have no clue what might work; I imagine you would tab to the fields to input data. Thanks. Ashley From jorge.paez1994 at gmail.com Mon Apr 30 11:20:29 2012 From: jorge.paez1994 at gmail.com (Jorge Paez) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 07:20:29 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] NFB camps In-Reply-To: References: <4f9d67d9.8255ec0a.6527.ffffda76@mx.google.com> <939C7A2B-4D64-4B77-988A-C40CA8A60C4A@gmail.com> Message-ID: Same here. It'd be awesome to see something in NYC too. And, I know they had it in braille for Blind Inc. students. On Apr 29, 2012, at 6:20 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > LOL! > That's all I can remember, too! > What bothered me, was that they had all of the lyrics in Braille, for > the other songs, but I never had the lyrics to that one. > Rania mentioned Bisom, and everyone else talked about LCB, CCB, and Blind Inc. > I'd like to see something, closer to Arkansas, for high school kids, > in my state. > We just need funding. > That's what it amounts to. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 4/29/12, Jorge Paez wrote: >> Yes, we did. *smile* >> "You have to fight, >> for your right, >> to Blind Inc." >> That's all I remember of it. >> >> >> On Apr 29, 2012, at 3:15 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: >> >>> Blind Inc had a song, that they sang at the karioke, two years ago, at >>> convention. >>> I wish I could find the lyrics, somewhere. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 4/29/12, Jorge Paez wrote: >>>> There is also BLIND Inc., which is another great option for NFB camps. >>>> Its similar to LCB, but they don't have their own apartments, which I >>>> think >>>> LCB does. >>>> Usually the adults stay in a complex which is somewhere more towards the >>>> center of the city if I'm not mistaken. >>>> As far as activities, >>>> its basically the same thing Sophie described, >>>> but for the adult program includes 3 drop off routs and a "graduation" >>>> walk >>>> which I think is like 5 miles. >>>> (I'm guessing LCB does something similar but I've never been there.) >>>> Jorge >>>> >>>> >>>> On Apr 29, 2012, at 2:05 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hmmm! >>>>> Yes. >>>>> We'd always go to different places, as well. >>>>> Of course, your dorms were better, than the living quarters at the >>>>> school for the blind. >>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>> >>>>> On 4/29/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >>>>>> There's a reeeeeeeeeally great camp at Louisiana Center for the >>>>>> Blind. It's probably a lot like the ones you attended, Joshua, >>>>>> with four classes in the morning (OandM, braille, home ec, and >>>>>> tech) and fun activitie in the evening. >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> >>>>> Date sent: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 09:17:32 -0500 >>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] NFB camps >>>>>> >>>>>> I wasn't trying to be the moderator. >>>>>> I was just asking them to take it off list, because my endbox is >>>>>> getting crowded with E-mails. >>>>>> Now, to the camps. >>>>>> The only Summer camps I attended, were at the Arkansas School for >>>>>> the >>>>>> Blind, so I'd like to hear more about these NFB camps, so I can >>>>>> compare them, to the camps I attended, at ASB. >>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>> >>>>>> On 4/29/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>>>> josh, you are not the moderator. But I'll say, if you're going >>>>>> to discuss a >>>>>> blindness camp or something else, do change subject lines. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 8:37 PM >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >>>>>> >>>>>> Please move this off list. >>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>> >>>>>> On 4/28/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >>>>>> Yeah. I went to camp there last summer. Have you ever been? >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: Chris Nusbaum >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >>>>>> list>>>>> Date sent: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 19:00:30 -0400 >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >>>>>> >>>>>> Hey Sophie, have you been to LCB? >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>>>> >>>>>> "For we walk by faith, not by sight." >>>>>> 2 Corinthians 5:7 >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my BrailleNote >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: Sophie Trist >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >>>>>> list>>>>> sent: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:28:18 -0500 >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks. Bre Brown helped me subscribe. I live in Louisiana and >>>>>> met at the Louisiana State Convention. >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> >>>>> Date sent: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:58:44 -0500 >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >>>>>> >>>>>> Wow! >>>>>> BTW, welcome to the list. >>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>> >>>>>> On 4/27/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >>>>>> wish I could claim that, but sadly, it wasn't me. I'm not a >>>>>> big >>>>>> Glee fan, and besides, I doubt they let ninth graders do cool >>>>>> stuff like that. >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> >>>>> Date sent: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 08:57:02 -0500 >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >>>>>> >>>>>> There was a girl named Sophie, that sang a song from Glee, last >>>>>> year, >>>>>> in Orlando, at convention. >>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>> >>>>>> On 4/27/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >>>>>> What showcase of talent? The one at Buddy Camp? >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> >>>>> Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:02:13 -0500 >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >>>>>> >>>>>> Sophie, it's Kurzweil! >>>>>> Hey! >>>>>> Weren't you the one that sang, at the showcase of talent, last >>>>>> year? >>>>>> Just curious, (I know I'm off topic.) >>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>> >>>>>> On 4/26/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >>>>>> Yep. As someone else said, it was created by NFB and some >>>>>> other >>>>>> company that I can't remember off the top of my head. The >>>>>> App >>>>>> is >>>>>> free, and it's totally iPhone accessible. >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: Jorge Paez >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> >>>>> Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:45:55 -0400 >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >>>>>> >>>>>> Nice. >>>>>> And its 100% accessible on the iPhone? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 26, 2012, at 8:52 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> It's E-books, but the app allows you to purchase a voice >>>>>> that >>>>>> will read the E-book aloud. >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: Jorge Paez >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> >>>>> Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:13:03 -0400 >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >>>>>> >>>>>> Is Blio only ebooks or also audio? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 26, 2012, at 6:07 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Blio works really well. It's online, but it's also an App >>>>>> you >>>>>> can download on your iPhone. >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> >>>>> Date sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:21:13 -0500 >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books recommendations >>>>>> >>>>>> Valerie, have you heard of the Blio? >>>>>> http://www.blio.com >>>>>> This is the online version of the KNFB reader, which is the >>>>>> accessible >>>>>> Kendall, for the blind. >>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>> >>>>>> On 4/26/12, Valerie Gibson wrote: >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> So one of the features of the kendle from what i hear is >>>>>> that >>>>>> it >>>>>> will >>>>>> recommend books to you based on what you've read on kendle. >>>>>> I gather the Kendle is not accessible. 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http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorge.paez1994%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorge.paez1994%40gmail.com From niall.j.gallagher.91 at gmail.com Mon Apr 30 11:44:07 2012 From: niall.j.gallagher.91 at gmail.com (Niall Gallagher) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 12:44:07 +0100 Subject: [nabs-l] Problems using JAWS and columns Message-ID: <8EBB799E-4CAC-49DD-85D7-F1B280FF064B@gmail.com> Hi, I'm trying to use three columns in word 2007 to design a brochure. But I am finding it impossible to move from one column to the next. using tab just puts in a regular tab. I'm not using tables, just the columns option under page layout. Help!! Niall Sent from my iPhone From cassonw at gmail.com Mon Apr 30 14:03:25 2012 From: cassonw at gmail.com (Bill) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 08:03:25 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] using my sql In-Reply-To: <2C24B825F1924782AF023080ECDE5BA2@OwnerPC> References: <2C24B825F1924782AF023080ECDE5BA2@OwnerPC> Message-ID: I would recommend getting on the nfb-cs mailing list and asking this. You can find it on the nfbnet.org mailing list list. Bill On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 1:28 AM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi all, > I’m in an I T class and need to learn a database. Access seems inaccessible. > Anyone used My SQL? If so, how do you read it with jaws and is it accessible? I’ve never seen it so have no clue what might work; I imagine you would tab to the fields to input data. > > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cassonw%40gmail.com -- Bill Casson University of New Mexico M.S. Computer Science Lewis & Clark Alumnus '11 B.A. Physics and Math/Comp Sci. (505) 695-1374 cassonw at gmail.com From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Mon Apr 30 16:54:15 2012 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 12:54:15 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS reading font colour and style... Message-ID: Dear all, This is just a quick question. II have just forgotten how to do this. If I want JAWS to read colour style (such as bold or italics) and colour, what hotkeys do I press? I need this for a final exam...I have it set up on my laptop but I'm using school computer for the exam, and I need to be able to recognize the difference betweeen purple and red and green and such, as well as italics and bold. Thanks, Jewel From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com Mon Apr 30 19:03:55 2012 From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:03:55 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS reading font colour and style... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Jewel, Pressing Insert plus f should give you all the necessary formatting information. Hope that helps! Katie On 4/30/12, Jewel wrote: > Dear all, > This is just a quick question. II have just forgotten how to do this. > If I want JAWS to read colour style (such as bold or italics) and > colour, what hotkeys do I press? I need this for a final exam...I have > it set up on my laptop but I'm using school computer for the exam, and > I need to be able to recognize the difference betweeen purple and red > and green and such, as well as italics and bold. > > Thanks, > Jewel > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com > From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Mon Apr 30 19:12:14 2012 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:12:14 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS reading font colour and style... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oh, I remember that trick. It's the automatic announcement of change that I'm looking for. For example, if I write a little girl, and little is bolded, JAWS will say a bold little normal girl. Does that make sense? Or if an essay has a chunk in purple and a chunk in red (which is only the beginning of what I have), then I want JAWS to say blah blah red . I know it can be done, I just have forgotten how to do it! On 4/30/12, Katie Wang wrote: > Hi Jewel, > Pressing Insert plus f should give you all the necessary formatting > information. Hope that helps! > Katie > > > On 4/30/12, Jewel wrote: >> Dear all, >> This is just a quick question. II have just forgotten how to do this. >> If I want JAWS to read colour style (such as bold or italics) and >> colour, what hotkeys do I press? I need this for a final exam...I have >> it set up on my laptop but I'm using school computer for the exam, and >> I need to be able to recognize the difference betweeen purple and red >> and green and such, as well as italics and bold. >> >> Thanks, >> Jewel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Mon Apr 30 21:56:34 2012 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 14:56:34 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS reading font colour and style... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Juel I know how to do this. All you have to do is press insert+6, number 6 on the number row on your keyboard. Then search for "speech and Sounds Schemes." if you are using JAWS 12 and later, you will land on an edit box where you can just type the search query I specified above, but if you are using JAWS 11 and earlier, once you invoke the command insert+6, you will get a standard app with a menu bar. In this case, you press alt+s to get to the set options menu, then look for the speech and sounds scheme. Once you are in the speech and sounds schemes, you need to down arrow, or spacebar (if you are using JAWS 12 or 13), till you hear "attributes and colors" or "attributes, colors and font info". Then press alt+A to apply your change and then press enter to confirm the settings. Hope this helps you! -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jewel Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 12:12 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS reading font colour and style... Oh, I remember that trick. It's the automatic announcement of change that I'm looking for. For example, if I write a little girl, and little is bolded, JAWS will say a bold little normal girl. Does that make sense? Or if an essay has a chunk in purple and a chunk in red (which is only the beginning of what I have), then I want JAWS to say blah blah red . I know it can be done, I just have forgotten how to do it! On 4/30/12, Katie Wang wrote: > Hi Jewel, > Pressing Insert plus f should give you all the necessary formatting > information. Hope that helps! > Katie > > > On 4/30/12, Jewel wrote: >> Dear all, >> This is just a quick question. II have just forgotten how to do this. >> If I want JAWS to read colour style (such as bold or italics) and >> colour, what hotkeys do I press? I need this for a final exam...I have >> it set up on my laptop but I'm using school computer for the exam, and >> I need to be able to recognize the difference betweeen purple and red >> and green and such, as well as italics and bold. >> >> Thanks, >> Jewel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.co m > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g mail.com From AllisonH at benetech.org Mon Apr 30 22:38:26 2012 From: AllisonH at benetech.org (Allison Hilliker) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 22:38:26 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS reading font colour and style... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, You can also press insert, alt, s. This lets you set a number of font reading options. Allison -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Humberto Avila Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 2:57 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS reading font colour and style... Hello Juel I know how to do this. All you have to do is press insert+6, number 6 on the number row on your keyboard. Then search for "speech and Sounds Schemes." if you are using JAWS 12 and later, you will land on an edit box where you can just type the search query I specified above, but if you are using JAWS 11 and earlier, once you invoke the command insert+6, you will get a standard app with a menu bar. In this case, you press alt+s to get to the set options menu, then look for the speech and sounds scheme. Once you are in the speech and sounds schemes, you need to down arrow, or spacebar (if you are using JAWS 12 or 13), till you hear "attributes and colors" or "attributes, colors and font info". Then press alt+A to apply your change and then press enter to confirm the settings. Hope this helps you! -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jewel Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 12:12 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS reading font colour and style... Oh, I remember that trick. It's the automatic announcement of change that I'm looking for. For example, if I write a little girl, and little is bolded, JAWS will say a bold little normal girl. Does that make sense? Or if an essay has a chunk in purple and a chunk in red (which is only the beginning of what I have), then I want JAWS to say blah blah red . I know it can be done, I just have forgotten how to do it! On 4/30/12, Katie Wang wrote: > Hi Jewel, > Pressing Insert plus f should give you all the necessary formatting > information. Hope that helps! > Katie > > > On 4/30/12, Jewel wrote: >> Dear all, >> This is just a quick question. II have just forgotten how to do this. >> If I want JAWS to read colour style (such as bold or italics) and >> colour, what hotkeys do I press? I need this for a final exam...I have >> it set up on my laptop but I'm using school computer for the exam, and >> I need to be able to recognize the difference betweeen purple and red >> and green and such, as well as italics and bold. >> >> Thanks, >> Jewel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.co m > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g mail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/allisonh%40benetech.org From osmond81 at gmail.com Mon Apr 30 22:52:35 2012 From: osmond81 at gmail.com (Osmond Kwan) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:52:35 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] question about purchasing a scanner to scan class texts Message-ID: Hi All, The last time I got a new system was in 2005. My scanner which I use to scan books for classes is about six years old and rather slow. I am looking to upgrade both my system and my scanner. I am wondering what type of scanner people use to do mass scanning e.g. 25-30 books a school term. Thanks, Osmond From gloria.graves at gmail.com Mon Apr 30 23:01:47 2012 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 18:01:47 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Embosers Message-ID: <82E921D8E50D4A58A18FA5E04B62379C@Gloria> Hi all, I use a lot of electronic materials but would like to be able to print out notes for myself in a way that is easier and more portable for me. I use a slate and stylus sometimes, but as we all know that can take a lot of time. What type of braille embosser would you guys recommend? Or is there another rout I should take? Thanks From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Mon Apr 30 23:06:10 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 18:06:10 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Embosers In-Reply-To: <82E921D8E50D4A58A18FA5E04B62379C@Gloria> References: <82E921D8E50D4A58A18FA5E04B62379C@Gloria> Message-ID: Get an IPad, and a focus 40 Braille display, and you'll be good to go. That, or a Pac Mate, or Braille Note. Blessings, Joshua On 4/30/12, Gloria G wrote: > Hi all, > I use a lot of electronic materials but would like to be able to print out > notes for myself in a way that is easier and more portable for me. I use a > slate and stylus sometimes, but as we all know that can take a lot of time. > What type of braille embosser would you guys recommend? Or is there another > rout I should take? > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From gloria.graves at gmail.com Mon Apr 30 23:13:25 2012 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 18:13:25 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Embosers References: <82E921D8E50D4A58A18FA5E04B62379C@Gloria> Message-ID: <68504316D95D404EAC908579875CAB0D@Gloria> how much is te braille display you suggested? how does tis work do you have one? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Embosers > Get an IPad, and a focus 40 Braille display, and you'll be good to go. > That, or a Pac Mate, or Braille Note. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 4/30/12, Gloria G wrote: >> Hi all, >> I use a lot of electronic materials but would like to be able to print >> out >> notes for myself in a way that is easier and more portable for me. I use >> a >> slate and stylus sometimes, but as we all know that can take a lot of >> time. >> What type of braille embosser would you guys recommend? Or is there >> another >> rout I should take? >> Thanks >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From gloria.graves at gmail.com Mon Apr 30 23:13:55 2012 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 18:13:55 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Embosers References: <82E921D8E50D4A58A18FA5E04B62379C@Gloria> Message-ID: I have a braille note, but there is only so much you can do with a braille note ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Embosers > Get an IPad, and a focus 40 Braille display, and you'll be good to go. > That, or a Pac Mate, or Braille Note. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 4/30/12, Gloria G wrote: >> Hi all, >> I use a lot of electronic materials but would like to be able to print >> out >> notes for myself in a way that is easier and more portable for me. I use >> a >> slate and stylus sometimes, but as we all know that can take a lot of >> time. >> What type of braille embosser would you guys recommend? Or is there >> another >> rout I should take? >> Thanks >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Mon Apr 30 23:17:29 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 18:17:29 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Embosers In-Reply-To: <68504316D95D404EAC908579875CAB0D@Gloria> References: <82E921D8E50D4A58A18FA5E04B62379C@Gloria> <68504316D95D404EAC908579875CAB0D@Gloria> Message-ID: I don't have a Braille display, or an IPad but I'm getting that stuff. I think the Braille display is around $40.00, but I might be mistaken. You'll type something on the keyboard, (I'd recommend that you get one, because the IPad has a touchscreen,) and what you type, pops up in refreshable Braille, like on a notetaker. Blessings, Joshua On 4/30/12, Gloria G wrote: > how much is te braille display you suggested? how does tis work do you have > > one? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 6:06 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Embosers > > >> Get an IPad, and a focus 40 Braille display, and you'll be good to go. >> That, or a Pac Mate, or Braille Note. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 4/30/12, Gloria G wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> I use a lot of electronic materials but would like to be able to print >>> out >>> notes for myself in a way that is easier and more portable for me. I use >>> >>> a >>> slate and stylus sometimes, but as we all know that can take a lot of >>> time. >>> What type of braille embosser would you guys recommend? Or is there >>> another >>> rout I should take? >>> Thanks >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Mon Apr 30 23:18:45 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 18:18:45 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Embosers In-Reply-To: References: <82E921D8E50D4A58A18FA5E04B62379C@Gloria> Message-ID: Well, the IPad would be the same. There is no portable Braille imbosser, so that's what you'll have to deal with. Blessings, Joshua On 4/30/12, Gloria G wrote: > I have a braille note, but there is only so much you can do with a braille > note > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 6:06 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Embosers > > >> Get an IPad, and a focus 40 Braille display, and you'll be good to go. >> That, or a Pac Mate, or Braille Note. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 4/30/12, Gloria G wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> I use a lot of electronic materials but would like to be able to print >>> out >>> notes for myself in a way that is easier and more portable for me. I use >>> >>> a >>> slate and stylus sometimes, but as we all know that can take a lot of >>> time. >>> What type of braille embosser would you guys recommend? Or is there >>> another >>> rout I should take? >>> Thanks >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >