From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Wed Aug 1 01:00:12 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 20:00:12 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] If You Want To Help Shape The Future Of My Internet Radio Work Please Read On In-Reply-To: <014d01cd6f64$9e47a2c0$dad6e840$@gmail.com> References: <652DDABE80434D2D97E38CA9A3C53F94@AudioAccessFM> <014d01cd6f64$9e47a2c0$dad6e840$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Amy, I think he has a show archive on the Website. Hopefully, you can listen to all the archives. Thanks, Joshua On 7/31/12, Amy Sabo wrote: > Hello all, > > Yes, david does a excellent job on his radio work. And, I believe in it and > in him too! I didn't get a chance to hear the show last night but, I have > confidence in his abilities. > > Thanks again and, I wish him all of the luck in his endeavors. > > > > Hugs, > From amy > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of David Dunphy > Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 11:50 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] If You Want To Help Shape The Future Of My Internet Radio > Work Please Read On > > Hi Everyone! > I am happy to report that after last week, my Windows XP machine that I use > for broadcasting is back up and running, which is good, cause I want to > entertain you with another musically awesome Djd Invasion show, but I need > your help too! > > Tune in at 8 PM eastern to The Djd Invasion show happening on Audio Access > FM, and I think finally JAndJFM too! > > This is going to be 120 minutes that will be rewarding, entertaining, > informative, and an opportunity for you to help shape the future of my show > and this radio project you've come to know as Audio Access FM. I'm at a > cross roads now, in my radio work and personal life. And If I'm going to > keep going on air, which I want to in a big way, then I want the work I do > to matter, which is why you need to tune in and hear what I will be saying > about what's coming for the station and more. > In addition to this serious end of things, there will be our Judge Judy > clip > of the month, upbeat and awesome songs that will leave you with a good > feeling, an eclectic mix of songs that will give something to everyone, and > more... > > And if course, you can contribute to the show through our interactions, > requests, etc. > > To participate in tonight's show, contact me in one of the following ways: > > By email at > daviddunphy at audioaccessfm.com > > Via msn or aol instant messengers at > interact at audioaccessfm.com > > Via skype at > audio.accessfm > > Or via telephone at > 1-516-324-2314 > > Get ready for a ride that will make you laugh, have you singing to the > tunes, and will give you hope and excitement about the not too distant > future, so to hear it all put out on the table, save this email, and at any > time between 8 PM and 10 PM eastern, go to > http://www.audioaccessfm.com/broadband.php > > or to > http://www.jandj.fm > > to be part of the fun! > > Hope to see you all there! > > From David Dunphy, A K A Djd, Station Manager Of Audio Access FM, and host > of The Djd Invasion Internet Radio Show http://www.audioaccessfm.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amieelsabo%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From dandrews at visi.com Thu Aug 2 02:15:46 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 21:15:46 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Assistance Needed with Math Software Message-ID: Dear fellow NFB members and Associate members: My name is Chun Chao (I go by Alan) and I am helping a good friend and member of ours in Northern Nevada with an issue regarding the mathematic program that is being used by the community college for student placement in particular levels of academic curriculum. The community college uses a math program called ALEX as its entrance exam for student placement in college curriculum as well as for many other uses by the math department. However, it is completely inaccessible to blind and visually impaired students as well as blind and visually impaired staff using screen reading technology. The community college states that the reason why they use ALEX is because of its accuracy in detecting the level of math in which students perform. Now, the community college has very much become a role model in presenting itself as a highly accessible campus for the Northern Nevada region in that all student workstations (whether it be in a classroom laboratory or in a library research center) have access via campus network to JAWS, Magic, and Open Book as well as a variety of additional resources such as NVDA and Premiere scan & read. There were potholes in getting the community college to become accessible along the way but the effort to make the campus accessible has presented itself to be successful. Nevertheless, the main roadblock that is being focused on now is finding an accessible alternative to a mathematic program such as ALEX while at the same time being able to keep the same level of reliability that ALEX offered. In addition to what the community college is doing on its own part in making the campus to become as fully accessible as possible, I am reaching out to the NFB community and associated community for aid and support in finding a possible resolution to this issue. Any suggestion or lead as to a possible resolution for implementing a college mathematic program that is accessible to all students and staff members will be appreciated as well as explored. The best way to get a hold of me is via email at zerone1683 at gmail.com. Sincerely, C.C. Alan Northern Nevada NFB From dandrews at visi.com Thu Aug 2 02:18:57 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 21:18:57 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] =?iso-8859-1?q?Accessible_World_Tek_Talk_presents_=93ALT?= =?iso-8859-1?q?=94_=96_the_first_of_U-R-Able=92s__Acceleration_Technologi?= =?iso-8859-1?q?es_with_Rob_Nevin_and_Hans_Lienert?= Message-ID: ACCESSIBLE WORLD TEK TALK PRESENTS U-R-ABLE, THE “ALT” PROGRAM, MONDAY AUGUST 6, 8 PM EDT, THE PAT PRICE TEK TALK ROOM: WWW.ACCESSIBLEWORLD.ORG NEWSWIRE: Accessible World Tek Talk presents “ALT” – the first of U-R-Able’s Acceleration Technologies with Rob Nevin and Hans Lienert Rob Nevin, from U-R-Able, has completed a 3 month deep review of their product ALT with a team of 8 from the National Federation of the Blind (NFB) Research and Development Committee. ALT – the first work-flow accelerator for blind and low-vision workers has received positive reviews as from the team as it works with all Windows based software products and converts complex and frequent tasks, into single steps with its unique semantic interface. ALT cooperates with all software, all screen readers, all screen magnification products and delivers to its users – speed, focus and silence. Speed – as complex process steps, often requiring many composite keystrokes for screen readers or magnifiers, into single tasks performed at the speed of the computer, not the user. Focus – as the user need only consider the end-state of the task (ie, I want to search for a price or a phone number or upload a file via FTP, etc.) while ALT completes the journey steps automatically. Silence – for screen reader users, all the Journey steps (the loading of the application product, the loading of the file, the completion of the searches or navigation to the final destination) is all completed silently with the full return to screen reader controls at the end of the Acceleration Job. You won’t want to miss this as the presentation will include interviews from ALT users, those who’s conversations have changed from “I am being measured against a difficult standard” to “I am exceeding the throughput of my sighted co-workers”. ALT will be demonstrated and opportunities to pose questions to Rob Nevin and Hans Lienert from the software engineering company (Drager and Lienert) from Germany, the authors of ALT. You will hear, during the course of the presentation, how ALT is used by Educators, CEO’s, Technology experts, Lawyers, Call Centre workers and more. Each with the common desire to excel in their work and be relieved of the tedium of unnecessary typing/listening/filtering for common and repeated tasks. With the latest version of ALT, announced at the National Federation of the Blind (NFB) convention, ALT now provides hundreds of screen reader functions, each available for use free-standing or for use within ALT accelerators. Changing between screen reader or screen reader versions? Not a problem as ALT manages all the back-end interactions. Presenters: Rob Nevin and Hans Liemert E-Mail: rob at u-r-able.com Date: Monday August 6, 2012 Time: 5:00 p.m. Pacific, 6:00 p.m. Mountain, 7:00 p.m. Central, 8:00 p.m. Eastern and elsewhere in the world Tuesday 12:00 GMT. Approximately 15 minutes prior to the event start time; go to The Pat Price Tek Talk Training Room at: http://conference321.com/masteradmin/room.asp?id=rsc9613dc89eb2 Or, alternatively. Select The Pat Price Tek Talk Training Room at: www.accessibleworld.org Enter your first and last names on the sign-in screen. All Tek Talk training events are recorded so if you are unable to participate live at the above times then you may download the presentation or podcast from the Tek Talk archives on our website at www.accessibleworld.org If you are a first-time user of the Talking Communities online conferencing software, there is a small, safe software program that you need to download and then run. A link to the software is available on every entry screen to the Accessible World online rooms. All online interactive programs are free of charge, and open to anyone worldwide having an Internet connection, a computer, speakers, and a sound card. Those with microphones can interact audibly with the presenters and others in the virtual audience or text chat with the attendees. To speak to us, hold down the control key and talk; then let up to listen. Accessible World uses News Wires, like this one, to inform people of the topic and times for the many Discussion Groups on Accessible World. The lists are announce only to keep the traffic to a minimum. You can join the Accessible World Announce List, the Tek Talk Announce List or the Sports Talk Announce List by completing the form at: www.accessibleworld.org/mailinglists Accessible World also provides a Tek Talk Discussion List. This list is intended to give you an opportunity to ask computer related questions, suggest topics to be used in the weekly Monday training programs, or just to interact with others interested in using assistive devices to access computers. You may sign up for this list by selecting the Tek Talk Discussion link on the same page and completing the form. Accessible World Contacts: Robert Acosta, Chair Accessible World 818-998-0044 Email: boacosta at pacbell.net Web: www.helpinghands4theblind.org Marcia Moses, Events Coordinator Accessible World 734-495-1496 Email: mgmoses at comcast.net Steve Hoffman, President Talking Communities Email: steve at talkingcommunities.com The Accessible World, a division of Helping Hands For The Blind, a 501(c)(3) not-for-profit organization, seeks to educate the general public, the disabled community and the professionals who serve them by providing highly relevant information about new products, services, and training opportunities designed specifically to eliminate geographic and access barriers that adversely affect them Robert Acosta, President Helping Hands for the Blind Email: boacosta at pacbell.net Web Site: www.helpinghands4theblind.org You can assist Helping Hands for the Blind by donating your used computers to us. If you have a blind friend in need of a computer, please mail us at the above address. From clb5590 at gmail.com Thu Aug 2 03:15:17 2012 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cynthia Bennett) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 20:15:17 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Asking a favor: vote to spread a positive view of blindness. Message-ID: I hope you are all doing well. Many of you know that I spent some time In Minneapolis at BLIND, Inc. A fellow student is a talented musician, and has since made a video for a contest that Minneapolis Metro Transit is holding. His job was to create a video and a jingle about Minneapolis Metro Transit. So, he produced the video, and it serves as a great example of a competent blind person using public transportation. During the video, he is shown using a cane and navigating a Minneapolis Metro Transit bus. If he wins, this video will be widespread, and many people will be able to see this positive portrayal of blindness. So if you don't mind, if you could take a second and click the link below, you can vote. His video is the 4th one and called Go Metro! If you click the link, you will be directed to a page with 5 check boxes for voting, and you can also watch each video in the running. I appreciate your assistance in an attempt to further spread a positive view of blindness. I think that if you close and reopen your web browser, you can vote again. So if you really want him to win, you can bookmark the page and return to it every once in a while to vote again. http://metrotransit.org/vote Thank you. Cindy -- Cynthia Bennett B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com 828.989.5383 From mysticalcharm at comcast.net Thu Aug 2 22:11:19 2012 From: mysticalcharm at comcast.net (Mystical Charm) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 18:11:19 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] questions and assistance needed for starting online college Message-ID: <015901cd70fb$be9fd360$6402a8c0@bfa617c5f939410> I have copied and pasted below an email that I sent to the VABS (Virginia Association of Blind Students) moderator but, I have not received any response so, I am writing here in hopes I can receive some assistance of some kind so that I can begin my studies. ------------------------- Greetings to you Angie Matney, I wanted to write you in hopes that you may be of some assistance to me. I was unsure if I would correctly qualify to join the list or not for the Virginia Association of Blind Students or not so, I wanted to write you directly and find out if you can give me any information or a direction to go. Now to tell you a little bit about me and my situation. My name is Melissa, I am 32 years old and I am blind; I was born with a visual impairment, Glaucoma. Over the years I did have the normal treatments; the usage of multiple eye drops and in hospital surgery as well as laser surgery but, none of these were effective so, my vision declined over time and I am left with no usable vision. I truly believe I belong in the health field however, the particular area in health is viewed by some as absurd, while others try out different methods and can take it or leave it and others still like having the option to incorporate in methods in their life's and others truly believe in the benefits. What I am talking about is natural medicine. This covers complementary methods as well as alternative therapies. It includes anything from holistic dentistry and Chiropractics to Acupuncture to Homeopathy and Massage therapy and goes into the subjects of Vitamins and Minerals and exercise/fitness to energy work and meditation and so many more other topics. The average university/College may only have a course or two in a subject named above or something similar if they offer them at all. The only colleges that I know of that deal specifically with these subjects are Naturopathy Colleges and there are only perhaps 3-5 of them in the United States. I don't desire to move to one of these states in which one of these Naturopathy Colleges are located, the only alternative I have is searching the internet for legitimate schools online so that I can do the schoolwork from home. I have found a couple of Colleges that are of interest to me with what they offer and I have checked to see if their accreditation is legitimate or not and they do seem to be so. I do know that being a doctor is possible for a person who is blind; I once went to a lecture/discussion at my local hospital and the man that was speaking had been a doctor for a number of years and he was blind. At the time, I wasn't interested in being in the health field, I was a young teenager and was still trying to have fun and be me. Later, as I explored the internet and searched for doctors, I found these articles: blind doctor sees patients in a different way http://nfb.org/legacy/bm/bm01/bm0105/bm010514.htm blind medical student earns his me.d. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7318398/ns/health-health_care/ This next article is about a woman who went to one of the Naturopathy schools I had briefly mentioned above: PAC Mate User Story: Chris Cooke, Medical Student http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_products/PAC_Mate_HQ_ChrisCooke.asp This woman does have her own practice, which I hope to have one day, and she also does have a website: http://www.healing4you.net/ I believe that Holistic Practitioner is what I am aiming for because again, the Naturopathic Colleges are just not possible for me to attend. I would eventually do what others would need to do by becoming board certified and then having a license to practice. One of the biggest challenges is the tuition for these programs/courses online and I am not sure how to go about finding out if there may be any possible scholarships I could apply for or not. Both of the Colleges that I would like to study from does not participate in any federal or state financial aid programs at this time, therefore, no federal grants are applicable (including Stafford and Pell). I would like to mention here some of the possibilities that the Admissions had told me about from one of the Colleges-- -I was told that a private loan or alternative loan is possible, most big lenders (e.g. SunTrust, Wells Fargo, Citibank) will offer such options. However, I would like to stay away from loans if possible. -Other suggestions that were mentioned to me either do not apply or that are not possible for me. One of the Colleges does have a scholarship available to students however, with the requirements to be able to apply, I do not qualify. Also, an employer tuition grant does not apply to me. -Local Community Service Organizations such as Masonic Organizations, Eastern Star(OES), Moose and Elks Lodges, or Chambers of Commerce may provide grants. I was possibly thinking about contacting one of these but, didn't know how successful I would be. What came to mind was the Lions Club since they assist with people who are blind. I am not sure if they would have a grant/scholarship or what they may be able to provide. I did notice in the list of mailing lists the NFB has available to the public is the NFB Lions so, I would like to know if you recommend me writing to that list and providing this same information that I am sending to you? -Another suggestion that was mentioned was Vocational Rehabilitation Programs for assistance. What came to mind was the Virginia Department for the Blind and Visually Impaired. I know I would need to deal with the one located in Fairfax since that is the closest to me and I have also dealt with them in the past. I am apprehensive about contacting the Virginia Department for the Blind and Visually Impaired because my experiences with them in the past were quite unpleasant and some were even unprofessional. I don't know if the Virginia Department of the Blind and Visually Impaired can be of help in assisting with expenses or what they may be able to do in my situation or if it would be willing to assist me in making my desire to help others come true. -Other suggestions were for women who have been harmed violently and again, this does not apply to me. I am willing to do what is required to earn a scholarship of some kind so that I may be able to proceed with taking these programs/courses if a scholarship's requirements apply to me. The only other thing that concerns me is, when I am enrolled into certain programs/courses, how to have certain materials more accessible or even in an alternative method like having something tactile. The doctors who are blind have had to have alternative and/or tactile materials of some kind. Whether in the Allopathic field or the Holistic field of health care, you need to study Anatomy/Physiology and reading the text book is good and all but, having something tactile to possibly go over the different areas of the body would be wonderful and also knowing where to get something like this is a question of mine as well that I need some assistance with how to find. In Holistic health care, you also have to identify the different types of herbs and the woman I had mentioned above, would have had to do so when she was going through her schooling and I would like to find out ways to be able to do this. I don't know if she had sighted assistance and someone did a very thorough job of explaining the look while she may have had the chance to examine the herbs tactily or not. So, what i would like to know is: -if the Virginia Association of Blind Students mailing list would apply to me or be of benefit. -if you have any suggestions of other lists or people I can contact to find out more about how to proceed with scholarships or finding out about certain alternative materials I will need and where to locate it so that I can have them as I move through the programs/courses. -If the Lions Club would be of help. -any other suggestions you may have for me. Thank you for your time and any help would be appreciated. Helping others in a more natural, holistic way has been a passion of mine for quite some time but, I really never knew where to begin and the more I looked into it, the more questions I had about beginning the process because of the finances as well as the materials I may need because of my disability. Thank you, Melissa Hambleton mysticalcharm at comcast.net From arielle71 at gmail.com Thu Aug 2 22:32:18 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 16:32:18 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] questions and assistance needed for starting online college In-Reply-To: <015901cd70fb$be9fd360$6402a8c0@bfa617c5f939410> References: <015901cd70fb$be9fd360$6402a8c0@bfa617c5f939410> Message-ID: Hi Melissa, Welcome to the list. You are definitely welcome to join the VABS email list, but this one will give you a lot more responses. I would suggest you apply for the National Federation of the Blind's scholarship program this winter. They award 30 scholarships each year to blind students across the country ranging from $3000 to $12000. They have given scholarships to online students in the past. You can learn about their program by going to www.nfb.org/scholarships Also, the NFB of Virginia should have a similar scholarship program that will be less competitive than the national program. The Lions Club might also be able to help. I'm sorry I don't know the answers to your questions about tactile materials. You may want to try to find out exactly what courses you will be required to take in order to figure out what kinds of tactile materials you might benefit from. Others on this list may also be able to share their experiences with massage therapy and other such fields of study. Best of luck, Arielle On 8/2/12, Mystical Charm wrote: > I have copied and pasted below an email that I sent to the VABS (Virginia > Association of Blind Students) moderator but, I have not received any > response so, I am writing here in hopes I can receive some assistance of > some kind so that I can begin my studies. > > ------------------------- > > Greetings to you Angie Matney, > > I wanted to write you in hopes that you may be of some assistance to me. I > was unsure if I would correctly qualify to join the list or not for the > Virginia Association of Blind Students or not so, I wanted to write you > directly and find out if you can give me any information or a direction to > go. > > Now to tell you a little bit about me and my situation. > > My name is Melissa, I am 32 years old and I am blind; I was born with a > visual impairment, Glaucoma. Over the years I did have the normal > treatments; the usage of multiple eye drops and in hospital surgery as well > as laser surgery but, none of these were effective so, my vision declined > over time and I am left with no usable vision. > > I truly believe I belong in the health field however, the particular area in > health is viewed by some as absurd, while others try out different methods > and can take it or leave it and others still like having the option to > incorporate in methods in their life's and others truly believe in the > benefits. What I am talking about is natural medicine. This covers > complementary methods as well as alternative therapies. It includes anything > from holistic dentistry and Chiropractics to Acupuncture to Homeopathy and > Massage therapy and goes into the subjects of Vitamins and Minerals and > exercise/fitness to energy work and meditation and so many more other > topics. > > The average university/College may only have a course or two in a subject > named above or something similar if they offer them at all. The only > colleges that I know of that deal specifically with these subjects are > Naturopathy Colleges and there are only perhaps 3-5 of them in the United > States. I don't desire to move to one of these states in which one of these > Naturopathy Colleges are located, the only alternative I have is searching > the internet for legitimate schools online so that I can do the schoolwork > from home. I have found a couple of Colleges that are of interest to me with > what they offer and I have checked to see if their accreditation is > legitimate or not and they do seem to be so. > > I do know that being a doctor is possible for a person who is blind; I once > went to a lecture/discussion at my local hospital and the man that was > speaking had been a doctor for a number of years and he was blind. At the > time, I wasn't interested in being in the health field, I was a young > teenager and was still trying to have fun and be me. Later, as I explored > the internet and searched for doctors, I found these articles: > > blind doctor sees patients in a different way > > http://nfb.org/legacy/bm/bm01/bm0105/bm010514.htm > > blind medical student earns his me.d. > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7318398/ns/health-health_care/ > > This next article is about a woman who went to one of the Naturopathy > schools I had briefly mentioned above: > > PAC Mate User Story: Chris Cooke, Medical Student > http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_products/PAC_Mate_HQ_ChrisCooke.asp > > This woman does have her own practice, which I hope to have one day, and she > also does have a website: > > http://www.healing4you.net/ > > I believe that Holistic Practitioner is what I am aiming for because again, > the Naturopathic Colleges are just not possible for me to attend. I would > eventually do what others would need to do by becoming board certified and > then having a license to practice. > > One of the biggest challenges is the tuition for these programs/courses > online and I am not sure how to go about finding out if there may be any > possible scholarships I could apply for or not. Both of the Colleges that I > would like to study from does not participate in any federal or state > financial aid programs at this time, therefore, no federal grants are > applicable (including Stafford and Pell). I would like to mention here some > of the possibilities that the Admissions had told me about from one of the > Colleges-- > > -I was told that a private loan or alternative loan is possible, most big > lenders (e.g. SunTrust, Wells Fargo, Citibank) will offer such options. > However, I would like to stay away from loans if possible. > > -Other suggestions that were mentioned to me either do not apply or that are > not possible for me. One of the Colleges does have a scholarship available > to students however, with the requirements to be able to apply, I do not > qualify. Also, an employer tuition grant does not apply to me. > > -Local Community Service Organizations such as Masonic Organizations, > > Eastern Star(OES), Moose and Elks Lodges, or Chambers of Commerce may > provide grants. > > > > I was possibly thinking about contacting one of these but, didn't know how > successful I would be. What came to mind was the Lions Club since they > assist with people who are blind. I am not sure if they would have a > grant/scholarship or what they may be able to provide. I did notice in the > list of mailing lists the NFB has available to the public is the NFB Lions > so, I would like to know if you recommend me writing to that list and > providing this same information that I am sending to you? > > > > -Another suggestion that was mentioned was > > Vocational Rehabilitation Programs > > for assistance. What came to mind was the Virginia Department for the Blind > and Visually Impaired. I know I would need to deal with the one located in > Fairfax since that is the closest to me and I have also dealt with them in > the past. I am apprehensive about contacting the Virginia Department for the > Blind and Visually Impaired because my experiences with them in the past > were quite unpleasant and some were even unprofessional. I don't know if the > Virginia Department of the Blind and Visually Impaired can be of help in > assisting with expenses or what they may be able to do in my situation or > if it would be willing to assist me in making my desire to help others come > true. > > > > -Other suggestions were for women who have been harmed violently and again, > this does not apply to me. > > > > I am willing to do what is required to earn a scholarship of some kind so > that I may be able to proceed with taking these programs/courses if a > scholarship's requirements apply to me. > > > > The only other thing that concerns me is, when I am enrolled into certain > programs/courses, how to have certain materials more accessible or even in > an alternative method like having something tactile. The doctors who are > blind have had to have alternative and/or tactile materials of some kind. > Whether in the Allopathic field or the Holistic field of health care, you > need to study Anatomy/Physiology and reading the text book is good and all > but, having something tactile to possibly go over the different areas of the > body would be wonderful and also knowing where to get something like this is > a question of mine as well that I need some assistance with how to find. In > Holistic health care, you also have to identify the different types of herbs > and the woman I had mentioned above, would have had to do so when she was > going through her schooling and I would like to find out ways to be able to > do this. I don't know if she had sighted assistance and someone did a very > thorough job of explaining the look while she may have had the chance to > examine the herbs tactily or not. > > > > So, what i would like to know is: > > > > -if the Virginia Association of Blind Students mailing list would apply to > me or be of benefit. > > -if you have any suggestions of other lists or people I can contact to find > out more about how to proceed with scholarships or finding out about certain > alternative materials I will need and where to locate it so that I can have > them as I move through the programs/courses. > > -If the Lions Club would be of help. > > -any other suggestions you may have for me. > > > > Thank you for your time and any help would be appreciated. Helping others in > a more natural, holistic way has been a passion of mine for quite some time > but, I really never knew where to begin and the more I looked into it, the > more questions I had about beginning the process because of the finances as > well as the materials I may need because of my disability. > > > > Thank you, > > Melissa Hambleton > > mysticalcharm at comcast.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From kobycox at gmail.com Thu Aug 2 22:35:36 2012 From: kobycox at gmail.com (Koby) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 17:35:36 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] questions and assistance needed for starting online college In-Reply-To: <015901cd70fb$be9fd360$6402a8c0@bfa617c5f939410> References: <015901cd70fb$be9fd360$6402a8c0@bfa617c5f939410> Message-ID: Can you email me off list? My email address Is as follows: kobycox at gmail.com Koby Sent from my iPhone On Aug 2, 2012, at 5:11 PM, "Mystical Charm" wrote: > I have copied and pasted below an email that I sent to the VABS (Virginia Association of Blind Students) moderator but, I have not received any response so, I am writing here in hopes I can receive some assistance of some kind so that I can begin my studies. > > ------------------------- > > Greetings to you Angie Matney, > > I wanted to write you in hopes that you may be of some assistance to me. I was unsure if I would correctly qualify to join the list or not for the Virginia Association of Blind Students or not so, I wanted to write you directly and find out if you can give me any information or a direction to go. > > Now to tell you a little bit about me and my situation. > > My name is Melissa, I am 32 years old and I am blind; I was born with a visual impairment, Glaucoma. Over the years I did have the normal treatments; the usage of multiple eye drops and in hospital surgery as well as laser surgery but, none of these were effective so, my vision declined over time and I am left with no usable vision. > > I truly believe I belong in the health field however, the particular area in health is viewed by some as absurd, while others try out different methods and can take it or leave it and others still like having the option to incorporate in methods in their life's and others truly believe in the benefits. What I am talking about is natural medicine. This covers complementary methods as well as alternative therapies. It includes anything from holistic dentistry and Chiropractics to Acupuncture to Homeopathy and Massage therapy and goes into the subjects of Vitamins and Minerals and exercise/fitness to energy work and meditation and so many more other topics. > > The average university/College may only have a course or two in a subject named above or something similar if they offer them at all. The only colleges that I know of that deal specifically with these subjects are Naturopathy Colleges and there are only perhaps 3-5 of them in the United States. I don't desire to move to one of these states in which one of these Naturopathy Colleges are located, the only alternative I have is searching the internet for legitimate schools online so that I can do the schoolwork from home. I have found a couple of Colleges that are of interest to me with what they offer and I have checked to see if their accreditation is legitimate or not and they do seem to be so. > > I do know that being a doctor is possible for a person who is blind; I once went to a lecture/discussion at my local hospital and the man that was speaking had been a doctor for a number of years and he was blind. At the time, I wasn't interested in being in the health field, I was a young teenager and was still trying to have fun and be me. Later, as I explored the internet and searched for doctors, I found these articles: > > blind doctor sees patients in a different way > > http://nfb.org/legacy/bm/bm01/bm0105/bm010514.htm > > blind medical student earns his me.d. > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7318398/ns/health-health_care/ > > This next article is about a woman who went to one of the Naturopathy schools I had briefly mentioned above: > > PAC Mate User Story: Chris Cooke, Medical Student > http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_products/PAC_Mate_HQ_ChrisCooke.asp > > This woman does have her own practice, which I hope to have one day, and she also does have a website: > > http://www.healing4you.net/ > > I believe that Holistic Practitioner is what I am aiming for because again, the Naturopathic Colleges are just not possible for me to attend. I would eventually do what others would need to do by becoming board certified and then having a license to practice. > > One of the biggest challenges is the tuition for these programs/courses online and I am not sure how to go about finding out if there may be any possible scholarships I could apply for or not. Both of the Colleges that I would like to study from does not participate in any federal or state financial aid programs at this time, therefore, no federal grants are applicable (including Stafford and Pell). I would like to mention here some of the possibilities that the Admissions had told me about from one of the Colleges-- > > -I was told that a private loan or alternative loan is possible, most big lenders (e.g. SunTrust, Wells Fargo, Citibank) will offer such options. However, I would like to stay away from loans if possible. > > -Other suggestions that were mentioned to me either do not apply or that are not possible for me. One of the Colleges does have a scholarship available to students however, with the requirements to be able to apply, I do not qualify. Also, an employer tuition grant does not apply to me. > > -Local Community Service Organizations such as Masonic Organizations, > > Eastern Star(OES), Moose and Elks Lodges, or Chambers of Commerce may provide grants. > > > > I was possibly thinking about contacting one of these but, didn't know how successful I would be. What came to mind was the Lions Club since they assist with people who are blind. I am not sure if they would have a grant/scholarship or what they may be able to provide. I did notice in the list of mailing lists the NFB has available to the public is the NFB Lions so, I would like to know if you recommend me writing to that list and providing this same information that I am sending to you? > > > > -Another suggestion that was mentioned was > > Vocational Rehabilitation Programs > > for assistance. What came to mind was the Virginia Department for the Blind and Visually Impaired. I know I would need to deal with the one located in Fairfax since that is the closest to me and I have also dealt with them in the past. I am apprehensive about contacting the Virginia Department for the Blind and Visually Impaired because my experiences with them in the past were quite unpleasant and some were even unprofessional. I don't know if the Virginia Department of the Blind and Visually Impaired can be of help in assisting with expenses or what they may be able to do in my situation or if it would be willing to assist me in making my desire to help others come true. > > > > -Other suggestions were for women who have been harmed violently and again, this does not apply to me. > > > > I am willing to do what is required to earn a scholarship of some kind so that I may be able to proceed with taking these programs/courses if a scholarship's requirements apply to me. > > > > The only other thing that concerns me is, when I am enrolled into certain programs/courses, how to have certain materials more accessible or even in an alternative method like having something tactile. The doctors who are blind have had to have alternative and/or tactile materials of some kind. Whether in the Allopathic field or the Holistic field of health care, you need to study Anatomy/Physiology and reading the text book is good and all but, having something tactile to possibly go over the different areas of the body would be wonderful and also knowing where to get something like this is a question of mine as well that I need some assistance with how to find. In Holistic health care, you also have to identify the different types of herbs and the woman I had mentioned above, would have had to do so when she was going through her schooling and I would like to find out ways to be able to do this. I don't know if she had sighted assistance and someone did a very thorough job of explaining the look while she may have had the chance to examine the herbs tactily or not. > > > > So, what i would like to know is: > > > > -if the Virginia Association of Blind Students mailing list would apply to me or be of benefit. > > -if you have any suggestions of other lists or people I can contact to find out more about how to proceed with scholarships or finding out about certain alternative materials I will need and where to locate it so that I can have them as I move through the programs/courses. > > -If the Lions Club would be of help. > > -any other suggestions you may have for me. > > > > Thank you for your time and any help would be appreciated. Helping others in a more natural, holistic way has been a passion of mine for quite some time but, I really never knew where to begin and the more I looked into it, the more questions I had about beginning the process because of the finances as well as the materials I may need because of my disability. > > > > Thank you, > > Melissa Hambleton > > mysticalcharm at comcast.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Aug 2 22:38:01 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 18:38:01 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] questions and assistance needed for starting online college In-Reply-To: <015901cd70fb$be9fd360$6402a8c0@bfa617c5f939410> References: <015901cd70fb$be9fd360$6402a8c0@bfa617c5f939410> Message-ID: <75B160561A694FC9B4673D69435FF562@OwnerPC> Dear Melissa, I agree completely regarding the Virginia department for the blind and especially the staff in the Fairfax office. No, I would not count on them assisting you in paying for an online school since it is not traditional. They will not believe you can do it. More importantly, they only pay the tuition of the highest Virginia school. So, you would not get full funding anyway. BTW, you do not have to be in VABS to be a member of the vabs list, but it is never active and may as well not exist. I've not gotten a message in forever and I did not participate in vabs because I felt that it was inactive and the students were not as inclusive as they could have been. You can feel free to try vabs yourself though. I think Brilley Pollard is the current president, but it did not work for me. I got support from this list and went about it on my own during college. At my first college, they had other blind students, but since it was so big, it really didn't matter. When I transferred to a private school, I was the only blind student there. I did not ask the rehab department to pay for my schooling. If you do try it, be aware of the rules about it. Regarding other financial sources, I'd also suggest lions club. Try for the NFB scholarship too. If its expensive, you may have a hard time paying without family support. You could try a general loan from Citibank; this may offer you the best solution as a scholarship from a charity will not even cover a semester. If its as expensive as a private school, you are looking at 20 thousand a year. Its an interesting field, one of which I don't think blind people have tried. Good luck. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Mystical Charm Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 6:11 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] questions and assistance needed for starting online college I have copied and pasted below an email that I sent to the VABS (Virginia Association of Blind Students) moderator but, I have not received any response so, I am writing here in hopes I can receive some assistance of some kind so that I can begin my studies. ------------------------- Greetings to you Angie Matney, I wanted to write you in hopes that you may be of some assistance to me. I was unsure if I would correctly qualify to join the list or not for the Virginia Association of Blind Students or not so, I wanted to write you directly and find out if you can give me any information or a direction to go. Now to tell you a little bit about me and my situation. My name is Melissa, I am 32 years old and I am blind; I was born with a visual impairment, Glaucoma. Over the years I did have the normal treatments; the usage of multiple eye drops and in hospital surgery as well as laser surgery but, none of these were effective so, my vision declined over time and I am left with no usable vision. I truly believe I belong in the health field however, the particular area in health is viewed by some as absurd, while others try out different methods and can take it or leave it and others still like having the option to incorporate in methods in their life's and others truly believe in the benefits. What I am talking about is natural medicine. This covers complementary methods as well as alternative therapies. It includes anything from holistic dentistry and Chiropractics to Acupuncture to Homeopathy and Massage therapy and goes into the subjects of Vitamins and Minerals and exercise/fitness to energy work and meditation and so many more other topics. The average university/College may only have a course or two in a subject named above or something similar if they offer them at all. The only colleges that I know of that deal specifically with these subjects are Naturopathy Colleges and there are only perhaps 3-5 of them in the United States. I don't desire to move to one of these states in which one of these Naturopathy Colleges are located, the only alternative I have is searching the internet for legitimate schools online so that I can do the schoolwork from home. I have found a couple of Colleges that are of interest to me with what they offer and I have checked to see if their accreditation is legitimate or not and they do seem to be so. I do know that being a doctor is possible for a person who is blind; I once went to a lecture/discussion at my local hospital and the man that was speaking had been a doctor for a number of years and he was blind. At the time, I wasn't interested in being in the health field, I was a young teenager and was still trying to have fun and be me. Later, as I explored the internet and searched for doctors, I found these articles: blind doctor sees patients in a different way http://nfb.org/legacy/bm/bm01/bm0105/bm010514.htm blind medical student earns his me.d. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7318398/ns/health-health_care/ This next article is about a woman who went to one of the Naturopathy schools I had briefly mentioned above: PAC Mate User Story: Chris Cooke, Medical Student http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_products/PAC_Mate_HQ_ChrisCooke.asp This woman does have her own practice, which I hope to have one day, and she also does have a website: http://www.healing4you.net/ I believe that Holistic Practitioner is what I am aiming for because again, the Naturopathic Colleges are just not possible for me to attend. I would eventually do what others would need to do by becoming board certified and then having a license to practice. One of the biggest challenges is the tuition for these programs/courses online and I am not sure how to go about finding out if there may be any possible scholarships I could apply for or not. Both of the Colleges that I would like to study from does not participate in any federal or state financial aid programs at this time, therefore, no federal grants are applicable (including Stafford and Pell). I would like to mention here some of the possibilities that the Admissions had told me about from one of the Colleges-- -I was told that a private loan or alternative loan is possible, most big lenders (e.g. SunTrust, Wells Fargo, Citibank) will offer such options. However, I would like to stay away from loans if possible. -Other suggestions that were mentioned to me either do not apply or that are not possible for me. One of the Colleges does have a scholarship available to students however, with the requirements to be able to apply, I do not qualify. Also, an employer tuition grant does not apply to me. -Local Community Service Organizations such as Masonic Organizations, Eastern Star(OES), Moose and Elks Lodges, or Chambers of Commerce may provide grants. I was possibly thinking about contacting one of these but, didn't know how successful I would be. What came to mind was the Lions Club since they assist with people who are blind. I am not sure if they would have a grant/scholarship or what they may be able to provide. I did notice in the list of mailing lists the NFB has available to the public is the NFB Lions so, I would like to know if you recommend me writing to that list and providing this same information that I am sending to you? -Another suggestion that was mentioned was Vocational Rehabilitation Programs for assistance. What came to mind was the Virginia Department for the Blind and Visually Impaired. I know I would need to deal with the one located in Fairfax since that is the closest to me and I have also dealt with them in the past. I am apprehensive about contacting the Virginia Department for the Blind and Visually Impaired because my experiences with them in the past were quite unpleasant and some were even unprofessional. I don't know if the Virginia Department of the Blind and Visually Impaired can be of help in assisting with expenses or what they may be able to do in my situation or if it would be willing to assist me in making my desire to help others come true. -Other suggestions were for women who have been harmed violently and again, this does not apply to me. I am willing to do what is required to earn a scholarship of some kind so that I may be able to proceed with taking these programs/courses if a scholarship's requirements apply to me. The only other thing that concerns me is, when I am enrolled into certain programs/courses, how to have certain materials more accessible or even in an alternative method like having something tactile. The doctors who are blind have had to have alternative and/or tactile materials of some kind. Whether in the Allopathic field or the Holistic field of health care, you need to study Anatomy/Physiology and reading the text book is good and all but, having something tactile to possibly go over the different areas of the body would be wonderful and also knowing where to get something like this is a question of mine as well that I need some assistance with how to find. In Holistic health care, you also have to identify the different types of herbs and the woman I had mentioned above, would have had to do so when she was going through her schooling and I would like to find out ways to be able to do this. I don't know if she had sighted assistance and someone did a very thorough job of explaining the look while she may have had the chance to examine the herbs tactily or not. So, what i would like to know is: -if the Virginia Association of Blind Students mailing list would apply to me or be of benefit. -if you have any suggestions of other lists or people I can contact to find out more about how to proceed with scholarships or finding out about certain alternative materials I will need and where to locate it so that I can have them as I move through the programs/courses. -If the Lions Club would be of help. -any other suggestions you may have for me. Thank you for your time and any help would be appreciated. Helping others in a more natural, holistic way has been a passion of mine for quite some time but, I really never knew where to begin and the more I looked into it, the more questions I had about beginning the process because of the finances as well as the materials I may need because of my disability. Thank you, Melissa Hambleton mysticalcharm at comcast.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Aug 2 23:11:31 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 19:11:31 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] questions and assistance needed for starting online college In-Reply-To: <015901cd70fb$be9fd360$6402a8c0@bfa617c5f939410> References: <015901cd70fb$be9fd360$6402a8c0@bfa617c5f939410> Message-ID: <880608315D804DCBBFE313C396367C8D@OwnerPC> Melissa, You may be in my area if you potentially deal with the fairfax regional office of DBVI. You might investigate getting readers or tutors from nearby colleges such as George Mason; tutors who took nursing or biology may help. About the accessibility, this is where IMO a face to face class comes in handy. In class, you can ask questions of the professor and go to office hours. You have labs too and you would get a description of the specimens and whatever they see from lab partners. Online would present more challenges. I think you might want to have a reader describe the pictures in the books and help you make tactile models; this can be done with wiki sticks, graphic art tape, or there are drawing kits from APH. If you can afford it, getting the atonomy book from APH may help; I think its like $120. However, these pictures of the body systems are geared towared general science and you may need more detail. They do have every system of the body though. As for herbs, ideally getting a tutor to show you may help; not sure if you could get a tutor in your area in that subject. Other ideas were community resources: - going to a nursery and asking to examine them. - finding a neighbor who grows them. - talking to someone in the fairfax park authority. I know they are knowledgeable about various plants and might be able to show you the herbs you need. I'm thinking a naturalist may help. They have many nature centers as part of fairfax park authority such as Hidden oaks and Great Falls Riverbend park and nature center. - there are many hiking trails in the county. Maybe such herbs are along these trails. I think tactile exploration is a great idea. - Frying Pan park might be a resource. It’s a great place to meet animals and all can touch them; so maybe they have herbs and other plants too. - a library might have books on these topics. I hope you get into the school. Good luck. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Mystical Charm Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 6:11 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] questions and assistance needed for starting online college I have copied and pasted below an email that I sent to the VABS (Virginia Association of Blind Students) moderator but, I have not received any response so, I am writing here in hopes I can receive some assistance of some kind so that I can begin my studies. ------------------------- Greetings to you Angie Matney, I wanted to write you in hopes that you may be of some assistance to me. I was unsure if I would correctly qualify to join the list or not for the Virginia Association of Blind Students or not so, I wanted to write you directly and find out if you can give me any information or a direction to go. Now to tell you a little bit about me and my situation. My name is Melissa, I am 32 years old and I am blind; I was born with a visual impairment, Glaucoma. Over the years I did have the normal treatments; the usage of multiple eye drops and in hospital surgery as well as laser surgery but, none of these were effective so, my vision declined over time and I am left with no usable vision. I truly believe I belong in the health field however, the particular area in health is viewed by some as absurd, while others try out different methods and can take it or leave it and others still like having the option to incorporate in methods in their life's and others truly believe in the benefits. What I am talking about is natural medicine. This covers complementary methods as well as alternative therapies. It includes anything from holistic dentistry and Chiropractics to Acupuncture to Homeopathy and Massage therapy and goes into the subjects of Vitamins and Minerals and exercise/fitness to energy work and meditation and so many more other topics. The average university/College may only have a course or two in a subject named above or something similar if they offer them at all. The only colleges that I know of that deal specifically with these subjects are Naturopathy Colleges and there are only perhaps 3-5 of them in the United States. I don't desire to move to one of these states in which one of these Naturopathy Colleges are located, the only alternative I have is searching the internet for legitimate schools online so that I can do the schoolwork from home. I have found a couple of Colleges that are of interest to me with what they offer and I have checked to see if their accreditation is legitimate or not and they do seem to be so. I do know that being a doctor is possible for a person who is blind; I once went to a lecture/discussion at my local hospital and the man that was speaking had been a doctor for a number of years and he was blind. At the time, I wasn't interested in being in the health field, I was a young teenager and was still trying to have fun and be me. Later, as I explored the internet and searched for doctors, I found these articles: blind doctor sees patients in a different way http://nfb.org/legacy/bm/bm01/bm0105/bm010514.htm blind medical student earns his me.d. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7318398/ns/health-health_care/ This next article is about a woman who went to one of the Naturopathy schools I had briefly mentioned above: PAC Mate User Story: Chris Cooke, Medical Student http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_products/PAC_Mate_HQ_ChrisCooke.asp This woman does have her own practice, which I hope to have one day, and she also does have a website: http://www.healing4you.net/ I believe that Holistic Practitioner is what I am aiming for because again, the Naturopathic Colleges are just not possible for me to attend. I would eventually do what others would need to do by becoming board certified and then having a license to practice. One of the biggest challenges is the tuition for these programs/courses online and I am not sure how to go about finding out if there may be any possible scholarships I could apply for or not. Both of the Colleges that I would like to study from does not participate in any federal or state financial aid programs at this time, therefore, no federal grants are applicable (including Stafford and Pell). I would like to mention here some of the possibilities that the Admissions had told me about from one of the Colleges-- -I was told that a private loan or alternative loan is possible, most big lenders (e.g. SunTrust, Wells Fargo, Citibank) will offer such options. However, I would like to stay away from loans if possible. -Other suggestions that were mentioned to me either do not apply or that are not possible for me. One of the Colleges does have a scholarship available to students however, with the requirements to be able to apply, I do not qualify. Also, an employer tuition grant does not apply to me. -Local Community Service Organizations such as Masonic Organizations, Eastern Star(OES), Moose and Elks Lodges, or Chambers of Commerce may provide grants. I was possibly thinking about contacting one of these but, didn't know how successful I would be. What came to mind was the Lions Club since they assist with people who are blind. I am not sure if they would have a grant/scholarship or what they may be able to provide. I did notice in the list of mailing lists the NFB has available to the public is the NFB Lions so, I would like to know if you recommend me writing to that list and providing this same information that I am sending to you? -Another suggestion that was mentioned was Vocational Rehabilitation Programs for assistance. What came to mind was the Virginia Department for the Blind and Visually Impaired. I know I would need to deal with the one located in Fairfax since that is the closest to me and I have also dealt with them in the past. I am apprehensive about contacting the Virginia Department for the Blind and Visually Impaired because my experiences with them in the past were quite unpleasant and some were even unprofessional. I don't know if the Virginia Department of the Blind and Visually Impaired can be of help in assisting with expenses or what they may be able to do in my situation or if it would be willing to assist me in making my desire to help others come true. -Other suggestions were for women who have been harmed violently and again, this does not apply to me. I am willing to do what is required to earn a scholarship of some kind so that I may be able to proceed with taking these programs/courses if a scholarship's requirements apply to me. The only other thing that concerns me is, when I am enrolled into certain programs/courses, how to have certain materials more accessible or even in an alternative method like having something tactile. The doctors who are blind have had to have alternative and/or tactile materials of some kind. Whether in the Allopathic field or the Holistic field of health care, you need to study Anatomy/Physiology and reading the text book is good and all but, having something tactile to possibly go over the different areas of the body would be wonderful and also knowing where to get something like this is a question of mine as well that I need some assistance with how to find. In Holistic health care, you also have to identify the different types of herbs and the woman I had mentioned above, would have had to do so when she was going through her schooling and I would like to find out ways to be able to do this. I don't know if she had sighted assistance and someone did a very thorough job of explaining the look while she may have had the chance to examine the herbs tactily or not. So, what i would like to know is: -if the Virginia Association of Blind Students mailing list would apply to me or be of benefit. -if you have any suggestions of other lists or people I can contact to find out more about how to proceed with scholarships or finding out about certain alternative materials I will need and where to locate it so that I can have them as I move through the programs/courses. -If the Lions Club would be of help. -any other suggestions you may have for me. Thank you for your time and any help would be appreciated. Helping others in a more natural, holistic way has been a passion of mine for quite some time but, I really never knew where to begin and the more I looked into it, the more questions I had about beginning the process because of the finances as well as the materials I may need because of my disability. Thank you, Melissa Hambleton mysticalcharm at comcast.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Thu Aug 2 22:40:25 2012 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail CMT) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 19:40:25 -0300 Subject: [nabs-l] questions and assistance needed for starting online college In-Reply-To: <015901cd70fb$be9fd360$6402a8c0@bfa617c5f939410> References: <015901cd70fb$be9fd360$6402a8c0@bfa617c5f939410> Message-ID: <03576150E3DA4360B5C90D05AC5A0AA7@userPC> Hi Welcome to the list. My name is Rania and I am a Certified massage therapist in the state of New Jersey. I had to take anatomy and physiology. I used play doe so I could get a better understand of some things. When it came to learning the bones and muscles we the class and I touched a skeleton and found the bones and muscles on our selvs and each other. Feel free to email me off list with more questions about massage therapy. I also serve as a mentor for students who are in school for massage and those who are interested in the field. I have had quite a few mentee's graduate as well! My email address is raniaismail04 at gmail.com I look forward to answering any questions you have. Rania, -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mystical Charm Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 7:11 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] questions and assistance needed for starting online college I have copied and pasted below an email that I sent to the VABS (Virginia Association of Blind Students) moderator but, I have not received any response so, I am writing here in hopes I can receive some assistance of some kind so that I can begin my studies. ------------------------- Greetings to you Angie Matney, I wanted to write you in hopes that you may be of some assistance to me. I was unsure if I would correctly qualify to join the list or not for the Virginia Association of Blind Students or not so, I wanted to write you directly and find out if you can give me any information or a direction to go. Now to tell you a little bit about me and my situation. My name is Melissa, I am 32 years old and I am blind; I was born with a visual impairment, Glaucoma. Over the years I did have the normal treatments; the usage of multiple eye drops and in hospital surgery as well as laser surgery but, none of these were effective so, my vision declined over time and I am left with no usable vision. I truly believe I belong in the health field however, the particular area in health is viewed by some as absurd, while others try out different methods and can take it or leave it and others still like having the option to incorporate in methods in their life's and others truly believe in the benefits. What I am talking about is natural medicine. This covers complementary methods as well as alternative therapies. It includes anything from holistic dentistry and Chiropractics to Acupuncture to Homeopathy and Massage therapy and goes into the subjects of Vitamins and Minerals and exercise/fitness to energy work and meditation and so many more other topics. The average university/College may only have a course or two in a subject named above or something similar if they offer them at all. The only colleges that I know of that deal specifically with these subjects are Naturopathy Colleges and there are only perhaps 3-5 of them in the United States. I don't desire to move to one of these states in which one of these Naturopathy Colleges are located, the only alternative I have is searching the internet for legitimate schools online so that I can do the schoolwork from home. I have found a couple of Colleges that are of interest to me with what they offer and I have checked to see if their accreditation is legitimate or not and they do seem to be so. I do know that being a doctor is possible for a person who is blind; I once went to a lecture/discussion at my local hospital and the man that was speaking had been a doctor for a number of years and he was blind. At the time, I wasn't interested in being in the health field, I was a young teenager and was still trying to have fun and be me. Later, as I explored the internet and searched for doctors, I found these articles: blind doctor sees patients in a different way http://nfb.org/legacy/bm/bm01/bm0105/bm010514.htm blind medical student earns his me.d. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7318398/ns/health-health_care/ This next article is about a woman who went to one of the Naturopathy schools I had briefly mentioned above: PAC Mate User Story: Chris Cooke, Medical Student http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_products/PAC_Mate_HQ_ChrisCooke.asp This woman does have her own practice, which I hope to have one day, and she also does have a website: http://www.healing4you.net/ I believe that Holistic Practitioner is what I am aiming for because again, the Naturopathic Colleges are just not possible for me to attend. I would eventually do what others would need to do by becoming board certified and then having a license to practice. One of the biggest challenges is the tuition for these programs/courses online and I am not sure how to go about finding out if there may be any possible scholarships I could apply for or not. Both of the Colleges that I would like to study from does not participate in any federal or state financial aid programs at this time, therefore, no federal grants are applicable (including Stafford and Pell). I would like to mention here some of the possibilities that the Admissions had told me about from one of the Colleges-- -I was told that a private loan or alternative loan is possible, most big lenders (e.g. SunTrust, Wells Fargo, Citibank) will offer such options. However, I would like to stay away from loans if possible. -Other suggestions that were mentioned to me either do not apply or that are not possible for me. One of the Colleges does have a scholarship available to students however, with the requirements to be able to apply, I do not qualify. Also, an employer tuition grant does not apply to me. -Local Community Service Organizations such as Masonic Organizations, Eastern Star(OES), Moose and Elks Lodges, or Chambers of Commerce may provide grants. I was possibly thinking about contacting one of these but, didn't know how successful I would be. What came to mind was the Lions Club since they assist with people who are blind. I am not sure if they would have a grant/scholarship or what they may be able to provide. I did notice in the list of mailing lists the NFB has available to the public is the NFB Lions so, I would like to know if you recommend me writing to that list and providing this same information that I am sending to you? -Another suggestion that was mentioned was Vocational Rehabilitation Programs for assistance. What came to mind was the Virginia Department for the Blind and Visually Impaired. I know I would need to deal with the one located in Fairfax since that is the closest to me and I have also dealt with them in the past. I am apprehensive about contacting the Virginia Department for the Blind and Visually Impaired because my experiences with them in the past were quite unpleasant and some were even unprofessional. I don't know if the Virginia Department of the Blind and Visually Impaired can be of help in assisting with expenses or what they may be able to do in my situation or if it would be willing to assist me in making my desire to help others come true. -Other suggestions were for women who have been harmed violently and again, this does not apply to me. I am willing to do what is required to earn a scholarship of some kind so that I may be able to proceed with taking these programs/courses if a scholarship's requirements apply to me. The only other thing that concerns me is, when I am enrolled into certain programs/courses, how to have certain materials more accessible or even in an alternative method like having something tactile. The doctors who are blind have had to have alternative and/or tactile materials of some kind. Whether in the Allopathic field or the Holistic field of health care, you need to study Anatomy/Physiology and reading the text book is good and all but, having something tactile to possibly go over the different areas of the body would be wonderful and also knowing where to get something like this is a question of mine as well that I need some assistance with how to find. In Holistic health care, you also have to identify the different types of herbs and the woman I had mentioned above, would have had to do so when she was going through her schooling and I would like to find out ways to be able to do this. I don't know if she had sighted assistance and someone did a very thorough job of explaining the look while she may have had the chance to examine the herbs tactily or not. So, what i would like to know is: -if the Virginia Association of Blind Students mailing list would apply to me or be of benefit. -if you have any suggestions of other lists or people I can contact to find out more about how to proceed with scholarships or finding out about certain alternative materials I will need and where to locate it so that I can have them as I move through the programs/courses. -If the Lions Club would be of help. -any other suggestions you may have for me. Thank you for your time and any help would be appreciated. Helping others in a more natural, holistic way has been a passion of mine for quite some time but, I really never knew where to begin and the more I looked into it, the more questions I had about beginning the process because of the finances as well as the materials I may need because of my disability. Thank you, Melissa Hambleton mysticalcharm at comcast.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co m From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Aug 3 00:02:39 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 20:02:39 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] questions and assistance needed for starting onlinecollege In-Reply-To: <03576150E3DA4360B5C90D05AC5A0AA7@userPC> References: <015901cd70fb$be9fd360$6402a8c0@bfa617c5f939410> <03576150E3DA4360B5C90D05AC5A0AA7@userPC> Message-ID: Rania, How nice of you to add advice. You had access to skeletons and other models because you were on campus. Maybe Melissa will be able to find a campus to go to as I think that would offer benefits an online school does not. Some schools have satelite campuses, especially i f you reside in the northern Virginia or DC area. If you go the online route, you could probably access such models and skeletons at a university orcommunity college. A blind friend of mine took biology at the Annandale community college campus, Nova. She got to tactially explore many models there. -----Original Message----- From: Rania Ismail CMT Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 6:40 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] questions and assistance needed for starting onlinecollege Hi Welcome to the list. My name is Rania and I am a Certified massage therapist in the state of New Jersey. I had to take anatomy and physiology. I used play doe so I could get a better understand of some things. When it came to learning the bones and muscles we the class and I touched a skeleton and found the bones and muscles on our selvs and each other. Feel free to email me off list with more questions about massage therapy. I also serve as a mentor for students who are in school for massage and those who are interested in the field. I have had quite a few mentee's graduate as well! My email address is raniaismail04 at gmail.com I look forward to answering any questions you have. Rania, -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mystical Charm Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 7:11 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] questions and assistance needed for starting online college I have copied and pasted below an email that I sent to the VABS (Virginia Association of Blind Students) moderator but, I have not received any response so, I am writing here in hopes I can receive some assistance of some kind so that I can begin my studies. ------------------------- Greetings to you Angie Matney, I wanted to write you in hopes that you may be of some assistance to me. I was unsure if I would correctly qualify to join the list or not for the Virginia Association of Blind Students or not so, I wanted to write you directly and find out if you can give me any information or a direction to go. Now to tell you a little bit about me and my situation. My name is Melissa, I am 32 years old and I am blind; I was born with a visual impairment, Glaucoma. Over the years I did have the normal treatments; the usage of multiple eye drops and in hospital surgery as well as laser surgery but, none of these were effective so, my vision declined over time and I am left with no usable vision. I truly believe I belong in the health field however, the particular area in health is viewed by some as absurd, while others try out different methods and can take it or leave it and others still like having the option to incorporate in methods in their life's and others truly believe in the benefits. What I am talking about is natural medicine. This covers complementary methods as well as alternative therapies. It includes anything from holistic dentistry and Chiropractics to Acupuncture to Homeopathy and Massage therapy and goes into the subjects of Vitamins and Minerals and exercise/fitness to energy work and meditation and so many more other topics. The average university/College may only have a course or two in a subject named above or something similar if they offer them at all. The only colleges that I know of that deal specifically with these subjects are Naturopathy Colleges and there are only perhaps 3-5 of them in the United States. I don't desire to move to one of these states in which one of these Naturopathy Colleges are located, the only alternative I have is searching the internet for legitimate schools online so that I can do the schoolwork from home. I have found a couple of Colleges that are of interest to me with what they offer and I have checked to see if their accreditation is legitimate or not and they do seem to be so. I do know that being a doctor is possible for a person who is blind; I once went to a lecture/discussion at my local hospital and the man that was speaking had been a doctor for a number of years and he was blind. At the time, I wasn't interested in being in the health field, I was a young teenager and was still trying to have fun and be me. Later, as I explored the internet and searched for doctors, I found these articles: blind doctor sees patients in a different way http://nfb.org/legacy/bm/bm01/bm0105/bm010514.htm blind medical student earns his me.d. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7318398/ns/health-health_care/ This next article is about a woman who went to one of the Naturopathy schools I had briefly mentioned above: PAC Mate User Story: Chris Cooke, Medical Student http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_products/PAC_Mate_HQ_ChrisCooke.asp This woman does have her own practice, which I hope to have one day, and she also does have a website: http://www.healing4you.net/ I believe that Holistic Practitioner is what I am aiming for because again, the Naturopathic Colleges are just not possible for me to attend. I would eventually do what others would need to do by becoming board certified and then having a license to practice. One of the biggest challenges is the tuition for these programs/courses online and I am not sure how to go about finding out if there may be any possible scholarships I could apply for or not. Both of the Colleges that I would like to study from does not participate in any federal or state financial aid programs at this time, therefore, no federal grants are applicable (including Stafford and Pell). I would like to mention here some of the possibilities that the Admissions had told me about from one of the Colleges-- -I was told that a private loan or alternative loan is possible, most big lenders (e.g. SunTrust, Wells Fargo, Citibank) will offer such options. However, I would like to stay away from loans if possible. -Other suggestions that were mentioned to me either do not apply or that are not possible for me. One of the Colleges does have a scholarship available to students however, with the requirements to be able to apply, I do not qualify. Also, an employer tuition grant does not apply to me. -Local Community Service Organizations such as Masonic Organizations, Eastern Star(OES), Moose and Elks Lodges, or Chambers of Commerce may provide grants. I was possibly thinking about contacting one of these but, didn't know how successful I would be. What came to mind was the Lions Club since they assist with people who are blind. I am not sure if they would have a grant/scholarship or what they may be able to provide. I did notice in the list of mailing lists the NFB has available to the public is the NFB Lions so, I would like to know if you recommend me writing to that list and providing this same information that I am sending to you? -Another suggestion that was mentioned was Vocational Rehabilitation Programs for assistance. What came to mind was the Virginia Department for the Blind and Visually Impaired. I know I would need to deal with the one located in Fairfax since that is the closest to me and I have also dealt with them in the past. I am apprehensive about contacting the Virginia Department for the Blind and Visually Impaired because my experiences with them in the past were quite unpleasant and some were even unprofessional. I don't know if the Virginia Department of the Blind and Visually Impaired can be of help in assisting with expenses or what they may be able to do in my situation or if it would be willing to assist me in making my desire to help others come true. -Other suggestions were for women who have been harmed violently and again, this does not apply to me. I am willing to do what is required to earn a scholarship of some kind so that I may be able to proceed with taking these programs/courses if a scholarship's requirements apply to me. The only other thing that concerns me is, when I am enrolled into certain programs/courses, how to have certain materials more accessible or even in an alternative method like having something tactile. The doctors who are blind have had to have alternative and/or tactile materials of some kind. Whether in the Allopathic field or the Holistic field of health care, you need to study Anatomy/Physiology and reading the text book is good and all but, having something tactile to possibly go over the different areas of the body would be wonderful and also knowing where to get something like this is a question of mine as well that I need some assistance with how to find. In Holistic health care, you also have to identify the different types of herbs and the woman I had mentioned above, would have had to do so when she was going through her schooling and I would like to find out ways to be able to do this. I don't know if she had sighted assistance and someone did a very thorough job of explaining the look while she may have had the chance to examine the herbs tactily or not. So, what i would like to know is: -if the Virginia Association of Blind Students mailing list would apply to me or be of benefit. -if you have any suggestions of other lists or people I can contact to find out more about how to proceed with scholarships or finding out about certain alternative materials I will need and where to locate it so that I can have them as I move through the programs/courses. -If the Lions Club would be of help. -any other suggestions you may have for me. Thank you for your time and any help would be appreciated. Helping others in a more natural, holistic way has been a passion of mine for quite some time but, I really never knew where to begin and the more I looked into it, the more questions I had about beginning the process because of the finances as well as the materials I may need because of my disability. Thank you, Melissa Hambleton mysticalcharm at comcast.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co m _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Thu Aug 2 23:16:02 2012 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail CMT) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 20:16:02 -0300 Subject: [nabs-l] questions and assistance needed for startingonlinecollege In-Reply-To: References: <015901cd70fb$be9fd360$6402a8c0@bfa617c5f939410><03576150E3DA4360B5C90D05AC5A0AA7@userPC> Message-ID: Yes if she goes for massage therapy it would be in her best interest to go to a school so she can get the hands on experience needed in order for a blind person to really understand ware the bones and muscles are on the body because as a massage therapist I work on the muscles but the bones serve as landmarks for the muscles. I have a Tiny Tim skeleton. I got it and used it when I was learning the bones. It helped me because I was able to use it to practice finding the bones when I didn't have an actual person to practice on. I got the skeleton from www.anatomywarehouse.com Rania, -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 9:03 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] questions and assistance needed for startingonlinecollege Rania, How nice of you to add advice. You had access to skeletons and other models because you were on campus. Maybe Melissa will be able to find a campus to go to as I think that would offer benefits an online school does not. Some schools have satelite campuses, especially i f you reside in the northern Virginia or DC area. If you go the online route, you could probably access such models and skeletons at a university orcommunity college. A blind friend of mine took biology at the Annandale community college campus, Nova. She got to tactially explore many models there. -----Original Message----- From: Rania Ismail CMT Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 6:40 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] questions and assistance needed for starting onlinecollege Hi Welcome to the list. My name is Rania and I am a Certified massage therapist in the state of New Jersey. I had to take anatomy and physiology. I used play doe so I could get a better understand of some things. When it came to learning the bones and muscles we the class and I touched a skeleton and found the bones and muscles on our selvs and each other. Feel free to email me off list with more questions about massage therapy. I also serve as a mentor for students who are in school for massage and those who are interested in the field. I have had quite a few mentee's graduate as well! My email address is raniaismail04 at gmail.com I look forward to answering any questions you have. Rania, -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mystical Charm Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 7:11 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] questions and assistance needed for starting online college I have copied and pasted below an email that I sent to the VABS (Virginia Association of Blind Students) moderator but, I have not received any response so, I am writing here in hopes I can receive some assistance of some kind so that I can begin my studies. ------------------------- Greetings to you Angie Matney, I wanted to write you in hopes that you may be of some assistance to me. I was unsure if I would correctly qualify to join the list or not for the Virginia Association of Blind Students or not so, I wanted to write you directly and find out if you can give me any information or a direction to go. Now to tell you a little bit about me and my situation. My name is Melissa, I am 32 years old and I am blind; I was born with a visual impairment, Glaucoma. Over the years I did have the normal treatments; the usage of multiple eye drops and in hospital surgery as well as laser surgery but, none of these were effective so, my vision declined over time and I am left with no usable vision. I truly believe I belong in the health field however, the particular area in health is viewed by some as absurd, while others try out different methods and can take it or leave it and others still like having the option to incorporate in methods in their life's and others truly believe in the benefits. What I am talking about is natural medicine. This covers complementary methods as well as alternative therapies. It includes anything from holistic dentistry and Chiropractics to Acupuncture to Homeopathy and Massage therapy and goes into the subjects of Vitamins and Minerals and exercise/fitness to energy work and meditation and so many more other topics. The average university/College may only have a course or two in a subject named above or something similar if they offer them at all. The only colleges that I know of that deal specifically with these subjects are Naturopathy Colleges and there are only perhaps 3-5 of them in the United States. I don't desire to move to one of these states in which one of these Naturopathy Colleges are located, the only alternative I have is searching the internet for legitimate schools online so that I can do the schoolwork from home. I have found a couple of Colleges that are of interest to me with what they offer and I have checked to see if their accreditation is legitimate or not and they do seem to be so. I do know that being a doctor is possible for a person who is blind; I once went to a lecture/discussion at my local hospital and the man that was speaking had been a doctor for a number of years and he was blind. At the time, I wasn't interested in being in the health field, I was a young teenager and was still trying to have fun and be me. Later, as I explored the internet and searched for doctors, I found these articles: blind doctor sees patients in a different way http://nfb.org/legacy/bm/bm01/bm0105/bm010514.htm blind medical student earns his me.d. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7318398/ns/health-health_care/ This next article is about a woman who went to one of the Naturopathy schools I had briefly mentioned above: PAC Mate User Story: Chris Cooke, Medical Student http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_products/PAC_Mate_HQ_ChrisCooke.asp This woman does have her own practice, which I hope to have one day, and she also does have a website: http://www.healing4you.net/ I believe that Holistic Practitioner is what I am aiming for because again, the Naturopathic Colleges are just not possible for me to attend. I would eventually do what others would need to do by becoming board certified and then having a license to practice. One of the biggest challenges is the tuition for these programs/courses online and I am not sure how to go about finding out if there may be any possible scholarships I could apply for or not. Both of the Colleges that I would like to study from does not participate in any federal or state financial aid programs at this time, therefore, no federal grants are applicable (including Stafford and Pell). I would like to mention here some of the possibilities that the Admissions had told me about from one of the Colleges-- -I was told that a private loan or alternative loan is possible, most big lenders (e.g. SunTrust, Wells Fargo, Citibank) will offer such options. However, I would like to stay away from loans if possible. -Other suggestions that were mentioned to me either do not apply or that are not possible for me. One of the Colleges does have a scholarship available to students however, with the requirements to be able to apply, I do not qualify. Also, an employer tuition grant does not apply to me. -Local Community Service Organizations such as Masonic Organizations, Eastern Star(OES), Moose and Elks Lodges, or Chambers of Commerce may provide grants. I was possibly thinking about contacting one of these but, didn't know how successful I would be. What came to mind was the Lions Club since they assist with people who are blind. I am not sure if they would have a grant/scholarship or what they may be able to provide. I did notice in the list of mailing lists the NFB has available to the public is the NFB Lions so, I would like to know if you recommend me writing to that list and providing this same information that I am sending to you? -Another suggestion that was mentioned was Vocational Rehabilitation Programs for assistance. What came to mind was the Virginia Department for the Blind and Visually Impaired. I know I would need to deal with the one located in Fairfax since that is the closest to me and I have also dealt with them in the past. I am apprehensive about contacting the Virginia Department for the Blind and Visually Impaired because my experiences with them in the past were quite unpleasant and some were even unprofessional. I don't know if the Virginia Department of the Blind and Visually Impaired can be of help in assisting with expenses or what they may be able to do in my situation or if it would be willing to assist me in making my desire to help others come true. -Other suggestions were for women who have been harmed violently and again, this does not apply to me. I am willing to do what is required to earn a scholarship of some kind so that I may be able to proceed with taking these programs/courses if a scholarship's requirements apply to me. The only other thing that concerns me is, when I am enrolled into certain programs/courses, how to have certain materials more accessible or even in an alternative method like having something tactile. The doctors who are blind have had to have alternative and/or tactile materials of some kind. Whether in the Allopathic field or the Holistic field of health care, you need to study Anatomy/Physiology and reading the text book is good and all but, having something tactile to possibly go over the different areas of the body would be wonderful and also knowing where to get something like this is a question of mine as well that I need some assistance with how to find. In Holistic health care, you also have to identify the different types of herbs and the woman I had mentioned above, would have had to do so when she was going through her schooling and I would like to find out ways to be able to do this. I don't know if she had sighted assistance and someone did a very thorough job of explaining the look while she may have had the chance to examine the herbs tactily or not. So, what i would like to know is: -if the Virginia Association of Blind Students mailing list would apply to me or be of benefit. -if you have any suggestions of other lists or people I can contact to find out more about how to proceed with scholarships or finding out about certain alternative materials I will need and where to locate it so that I can have them as I move through the programs/courses. -If the Lions Club would be of help. -any other suggestions you may have for me. Thank you for your time and any help would be appreciated. Helping others in a more natural, holistic way has been a passion of mine for quite some time but, I really never knew where to begin and the more I looked into it, the more questions I had about beginning the process because of the finances as well as the materials I may need because of my disability. Thank you, Melissa Hambleton mysticalcharm at comcast.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co m _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co m From brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com Fri Aug 3 00:55:00 2012 From: brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com (Brandon Keith Biggs) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 17:55:00 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] questions and assistance needed for starting online college In-Reply-To: <015901cd70fb$be9fd360$6402a8c0@bfa617c5f939410> References: <015901cd70fb$be9fd360$6402a8c0@bfa617c5f939410> Message-ID: <9A365FDD1A4948D0B870B136EE765B26@BrandonsLaptop2> Hello, If you search the archives for the word scholarship we had a huge thread a little while back on this, there were at least a hundred scholarship places that were talked about. Rehabilitation agencies do help pay for college, but they will probably be the state college rate. Does APH have tactile mottles? It may be good to get in contact with some of these doctors and talk to them. Thank you, Brandon Keith Biggs -----Original Message----- From: Mystical Charm Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 3:11 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] questions and assistance needed for starting online college I have copied and pasted below an email that I sent to the VABS (Virginia Association of Blind Students) moderator but, I have not received any response so, I am writing here in hopes I can receive some assistance of some kind so that I can begin my studies. ------------------------- Greetings to you Angie Matney, I wanted to write you in hopes that you may be of some assistance to me. I was unsure if I would correctly qualify to join the list or not for the Virginia Association of Blind Students or not so, I wanted to write you directly and find out if you can give me any information or a direction to go. Now to tell you a little bit about me and my situation. My name is Melissa, I am 32 years old and I am blind; I was born with a visual impairment, Glaucoma. Over the years I did have the normal treatments; the usage of multiple eye drops and in hospital surgery as well as laser surgery but, none of these were effective so, my vision declined over time and I am left with no usable vision. I truly believe I belong in the health field however, the particular area in health is viewed by some as absurd, while others try out different methods and can take it or leave it and others still like having the option to incorporate in methods in their life's and others truly believe in the benefits. What I am talking about is natural medicine. This covers complementary methods as well as alternative therapies. It includes anything from holistic dentistry and Chiropractics to Acupuncture to Homeopathy and Massage therapy and goes into the subjects of Vitamins and Minerals and exercise/fitness to energy work and meditation and so many more other topics. The average university/College may only have a course or two in a subject named above or something similar if they offer them at all. The only colleges that I know of that deal specifically with these subjects are Naturopathy Colleges and there are only perhaps 3-5 of them in the United States. I don't desire to move to one of these states in which one of these Naturopathy Colleges are located, the only alternative I have is searching the internet for legitimate schools online so that I can do the schoolwork from home. I have found a couple of Colleges that are of interest to me with what they offer and I have checked to see if their accreditation is legitimate or not and they do seem to be so. I do know that being a doctor is possible for a person who is blind; I once went to a lecture/discussion at my local hospital and the man that was speaking had been a doctor for a number of years and he was blind. At the time, I wasn't interested in being in the health field, I was a young teenager and was still trying to have fun and be me. Later, as I explored the internet and searched for doctors, I found these articles: blind doctor sees patients in a different way http://nfb.org/legacy/bm/bm01/bm0105/bm010514.htm blind medical student earns his me.d. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7318398/ns/health-health_care/ This next article is about a woman who went to one of the Naturopathy schools I had briefly mentioned above: PAC Mate User Story: Chris Cooke, Medical Student http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_products/PAC_Mate_HQ_ChrisCooke.asp This woman does have her own practice, which I hope to have one day, and she also does have a website: http://www.healing4you.net/ I believe that Holistic Practitioner is what I am aiming for because again, the Naturopathic Colleges are just not possible for me to attend. I would eventually do what others would need to do by becoming board certified and then having a license to practice. One of the biggest challenges is the tuition for these programs/courses online and I am not sure how to go about finding out if there may be any possible scholarships I could apply for or not. Both of the Colleges that I would like to study from does not participate in any federal or state financial aid programs at this time, therefore, no federal grants are applicable (including Stafford and Pell). I would like to mention here some of the possibilities that the Admissions had told me about from one of the Colleges-- -I was told that a private loan or alternative loan is possible, most big lenders (e.g. SunTrust, Wells Fargo, Citibank) will offer such options. However, I would like to stay away from loans if possible. -Other suggestions that were mentioned to me either do not apply or that are not possible for me. One of the Colleges does have a scholarship available to students however, with the requirements to be able to apply, I do not qualify. Also, an employer tuition grant does not apply to me. -Local Community Service Organizations such as Masonic Organizations, Eastern Star(OES), Moose and Elks Lodges, or Chambers of Commerce may provide grants. I was possibly thinking about contacting one of these but, didn't know how successful I would be. What came to mind was the Lions Club since they assist with people who are blind. I am not sure if they would have a grant/scholarship or what they may be able to provide. I did notice in the list of mailing lists the NFB has available to the public is the NFB Lions so, I would like to know if you recommend me writing to that list and providing this same information that I am sending to you? -Another suggestion that was mentioned was Vocational Rehabilitation Programs for assistance. What came to mind was the Virginia Department for the Blind and Visually Impaired. I know I would need to deal with the one located in Fairfax since that is the closest to me and I have also dealt with them in the past. I am apprehensive about contacting the Virginia Department for the Blind and Visually Impaired because my experiences with them in the past were quite unpleasant and some were even unprofessional. I don't know if the Virginia Department of the Blind and Visually Impaired can be of help in assisting with expenses or what they may be able to do in my situation or if it would be willing to assist me in making my desire to help others come true. -Other suggestions were for women who have been harmed violently and again, this does not apply to me. I am willing to do what is required to earn a scholarship of some kind so that I may be able to proceed with taking these programs/courses if a scholarship's requirements apply to me. The only other thing that concerns me is, when I am enrolled into certain programs/courses, how to have certain materials more accessible or even in an alternative method like having something tactile. The doctors who are blind have had to have alternative and/or tactile materials of some kind. Whether in the Allopathic field or the Holistic field of health care, you need to study Anatomy/Physiology and reading the text book is good and all but, having something tactile to possibly go over the different areas of the body would be wonderful and also knowing where to get something like this is a question of mine as well that I need some assistance with how to find. In Holistic health care, you also have to identify the different types of herbs and the woman I had mentioned above, would have had to do so when she was going through her schooling and I would like to find out ways to be able to do this. I don't know if she had sighted assistance and someone did a very thorough job of explaining the look while she may have had the chance to examine the herbs tactily or not. So, what i would like to know is: -if the Virginia Association of Blind Students mailing list would apply to me or be of benefit. -if you have any suggestions of other lists or people I can contact to find out more about how to proceed with scholarships or finding out about certain alternative materials I will need and where to locate it so that I can have them as I move through the programs/courses. -If the Lions Club would be of help. -any other suggestions you may have for me. Thank you for your time and any help would be appreciated. Helping others in a more natural, holistic way has been a passion of mine for quite some time but, I really never knew where to begin and the more I looked into it, the more questions I had about beginning the process because of the finances as well as the materials I may need because of my disability. Thank you, Melissa Hambleton mysticalcharm at comcast.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Aug 3 00:57:43 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 20:57:43 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] questions and assistance needed forstartingonlinecollege In-Reply-To: References: <015901cd70fb$be9fd360$6402a8c0@bfa617c5f939410><03576150E3DA4360B5C90D05AC5A0AA7@userPC> Message-ID: <6283D1F755154E3798656EE1281A8414@OwnerPC> wow, I didn't know you could buy little skeletons; thought only colleges bought them from some private vendor. -----Original Message----- From: Rania Ismail CMT Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 7:16 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] questions and assistance needed forstartingonlinecollege Yes if she goes for massage therapy it would be in her best interest to go to a school so she can get the hands on experience needed in order for a blind person to really understand ware the bones and muscles are on the body because as a massage therapist I work on the muscles but the bones serve as landmarks for the muscles. I have a Tiny Tim skeleton. I got it and used it when I was learning the bones. It helped me because I was able to use it to practice finding the bones when I didn't have an actual person to practice on. I got the skeleton from www.anatomywarehouse.com Rania, -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 9:03 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] questions and assistance needed for startingonlinecollege Rania, How nice of you to add advice. You had access to skeletons and other models because you were on campus. Maybe Melissa will be able to find a campus to go to as I think that would offer benefits an online school does not. Some schools have satelite campuses, especially i f you reside in the northern Virginia or DC area. If you go the online route, you could probably access such models and skeletons at a university orcommunity college. A blind friend of mine took biology at the Annandale community college campus, Nova. She got to tactially explore many models there. -----Original Message----- From: Rania Ismail CMT Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 6:40 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] questions and assistance needed for starting onlinecollege Hi Welcome to the list. My name is Rania and I am a Certified massage therapist in the state of New Jersey. I had to take anatomy and physiology. I used play doe so I could get a better understand of some things. When it came to learning the bones and muscles we the class and I touched a skeleton and found the bones and muscles on our selvs and each other. Feel free to email me off list with more questions about massage therapy. I also serve as a mentor for students who are in school for massage and those who are interested in the field. I have had quite a few mentee's graduate as well! My email address is raniaismail04 at gmail.com I look forward to answering any questions you have. Rania, -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mystical Charm Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 7:11 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] questions and assistance needed for starting online college I have copied and pasted below an email that I sent to the VABS (Virginia Association of Blind Students) moderator but, I have not received any response so, I am writing here in hopes I can receive some assistance of some kind so that I can begin my studies. ------------------------- Greetings to you Angie Matney, I wanted to write you in hopes that you may be of some assistance to me. I was unsure if I would correctly qualify to join the list or not for the Virginia Association of Blind Students or not so, I wanted to write you directly and find out if you can give me any information or a direction to go. Now to tell you a little bit about me and my situation. My name is Melissa, I am 32 years old and I am blind; I was born with a visual impairment, Glaucoma. Over the years I did have the normal treatments; the usage of multiple eye drops and in hospital surgery as well as laser surgery but, none of these were effective so, my vision declined over time and I am left with no usable vision. I truly believe I belong in the health field however, the particular area in health is viewed by some as absurd, while others try out different methods and can take it or leave it and others still like having the option to incorporate in methods in their life's and others truly believe in the benefits. What I am talking about is natural medicine. This covers complementary methods as well as alternative therapies. It includes anything from holistic dentistry and Chiropractics to Acupuncture to Homeopathy and Massage therapy and goes into the subjects of Vitamins and Minerals and exercise/fitness to energy work and meditation and so many more other topics. The average university/College may only have a course or two in a subject named above or something similar if they offer them at all. The only colleges that I know of that deal specifically with these subjects are Naturopathy Colleges and there are only perhaps 3-5 of them in the United States. I don't desire to move to one of these states in which one of these Naturopathy Colleges are located, the only alternative I have is searching the internet for legitimate schools online so that I can do the schoolwork from home. I have found a couple of Colleges that are of interest to me with what they offer and I have checked to see if their accreditation is legitimate or not and they do seem to be so. I do know that being a doctor is possible for a person who is blind; I once went to a lecture/discussion at my local hospital and the man that was speaking had been a doctor for a number of years and he was blind. At the time, I wasn't interested in being in the health field, I was a young teenager and was still trying to have fun and be me. Later, as I explored the internet and searched for doctors, I found these articles: blind doctor sees patients in a different way http://nfb.org/legacy/bm/bm01/bm0105/bm010514.htm blind medical student earns his me.d. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7318398/ns/health-health_care/ This next article is about a woman who went to one of the Naturopathy schools I had briefly mentioned above: PAC Mate User Story: Chris Cooke, Medical Student http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_products/PAC_Mate_HQ_ChrisCooke.asp This woman does have her own practice, which I hope to have one day, and she also does have a website: http://www.healing4you.net/ I believe that Holistic Practitioner is what I am aiming for because again, the Naturopathic Colleges are just not possible for me to attend. I would eventually do what others would need to do by becoming board certified and then having a license to practice. One of the biggest challenges is the tuition for these programs/courses online and I am not sure how to go about finding out if there may be any possible scholarships I could apply for or not. Both of the Colleges that I would like to study from does not participate in any federal or state financial aid programs at this time, therefore, no federal grants are applicable (including Stafford and Pell). I would like to mention here some of the possibilities that the Admissions had told me about from one of the Colleges-- -I was told that a private loan or alternative loan is possible, most big lenders (e.g. SunTrust, Wells Fargo, Citibank) will offer such options. However, I would like to stay away from loans if possible. -Other suggestions that were mentioned to me either do not apply or that are not possible for me. One of the Colleges does have a scholarship available to students however, with the requirements to be able to apply, I do not qualify. Also, an employer tuition grant does not apply to me. -Local Community Service Organizations such as Masonic Organizations, Eastern Star(OES), Moose and Elks Lodges, or Chambers of Commerce may provide grants. I was possibly thinking about contacting one of these but, didn't know how successful I would be. What came to mind was the Lions Club since they assist with people who are blind. I am not sure if they would have a grant/scholarship or what they may be able to provide. I did notice in the list of mailing lists the NFB has available to the public is the NFB Lions so, I would like to know if you recommend me writing to that list and providing this same information that I am sending to you? -Another suggestion that was mentioned was Vocational Rehabilitation Programs for assistance. What came to mind was the Virginia Department for the Blind and Visually Impaired. I know I would need to deal with the one located in Fairfax since that is the closest to me and I have also dealt with them in the past. I am apprehensive about contacting the Virginia Department for the Blind and Visually Impaired because my experiences with them in the past were quite unpleasant and some were even unprofessional. I don't know if the Virginia Department of the Blind and Visually Impaired can be of help in assisting with expenses or what they may be able to do in my situation or if it would be willing to assist me in making my desire to help others come true. -Other suggestions were for women who have been harmed violently and again, this does not apply to me. I am willing to do what is required to earn a scholarship of some kind so that I may be able to proceed with taking these programs/courses if a scholarship's requirements apply to me. The only other thing that concerns me is, when I am enrolled into certain programs/courses, how to have certain materials more accessible or even in an alternative method like having something tactile. The doctors who are blind have had to have alternative and/or tactile materials of some kind. Whether in the Allopathic field or the Holistic field of health care, you need to study Anatomy/Physiology and reading the text book is good and all but, having something tactile to possibly go over the different areas of the body would be wonderful and also knowing where to get something like this is a question of mine as well that I need some assistance with how to find. In Holistic health care, you also have to identify the different types of herbs and the woman I had mentioned above, would have had to do so when she was going through her schooling and I would like to find out ways to be able to do this. I don't know if she had sighted assistance and someone did a very thorough job of explaining the look while she may have had the chance to examine the herbs tactily or not. So, what i would like to know is: -if the Virginia Association of Blind Students mailing list would apply to me or be of benefit. -if you have any suggestions of other lists or people I can contact to find out more about how to proceed with scholarships or finding out about certain alternative materials I will need and where to locate it so that I can have them as I move through the programs/courses. -If the Lions Club would be of help. -any other suggestions you may have for me. Thank you for your time and any help would be appreciated. Helping others in a more natural, holistic way has been a passion of mine for quite some time but, I really never knew where to begin and the more I looked into it, the more questions I had about beginning the process because of the finances as well as the materials I may need because of my disability. Thank you, Melissa Hambleton mysticalcharm at comcast.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co m _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co m _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Fri Aug 3 00:04:43 2012 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail CMT) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 21:04:43 -0300 Subject: [nabs-l] questions and assistance neededforstartingonlinecollege In-Reply-To: <6283D1F755154E3798656EE1281A8414@OwnerPC> References: <015901cd70fb$be9fd360$6402a8c0@bfa617c5f939410><03576150E3DA4360B5C90D05AC5A0AA7@userPC> <6283D1F755154E3798656EE1281A8414@OwnerPC> Message-ID: This one is really small maybe twenty inches or something? It wasn't that much either. I know they have moddles I am not sure if they have any that you could touch but it wouldn't hurt to look in to it. Contact the people on the site and ask. Rania, -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 9:58 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] questions and assistance neededforstartingonlinecollege wow, I didn't know you could buy little skeletons; thought only colleges bought them from some private vendor. -----Original Message----- From: Rania Ismail CMT Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 7:16 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] questions and assistance needed forstartingonlinecollege Yes if she goes for massage therapy it would be in her best interest to go to a school so she can get the hands on experience needed in order for a blind person to really understand ware the bones and muscles are on the body because as a massage therapist I work on the muscles but the bones serve as landmarks for the muscles. I have a Tiny Tim skeleton. I got it and used it when I was learning the bones. It helped me because I was able to use it to practice finding the bones when I didn't have an actual person to practice on. I got the skeleton from www.anatomywarehouse.com Rania, -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 9:03 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] questions and assistance needed for startingonlinecollege Rania, How nice of you to add advice. You had access to skeletons and other models because you were on campus. Maybe Melissa will be able to find a campus to go to as I think that would offer benefits an online school does not. Some schools have satelite campuses, especially i f you reside in the northern Virginia or DC area. If you go the online route, you could probably access such models and skeletons at a university orcommunity college. A blind friend of mine took biology at the Annandale community college campus, Nova. She got to tactially explore many models there. -----Original Message----- From: Rania Ismail CMT Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 6:40 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] questions and assistance needed for starting onlinecollege Hi Welcome to the list. My name is Rania and I am a Certified massage therapist in the state of New Jersey. I had to take anatomy and physiology. I used play doe so I could get a better understand of some things. When it came to learning the bones and muscles we the class and I touched a skeleton and found the bones and muscles on our selvs and each other. Feel free to email me off list with more questions about massage therapy. I also serve as a mentor for students who are in school for massage and those who are interested in the field. I have had quite a few mentee's graduate as well! My email address is raniaismail04 at gmail.com I look forward to answering any questions you have. Rania, -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mystical Charm Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 7:11 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] questions and assistance needed for starting online college I have copied and pasted below an email that I sent to the VABS (Virginia Association of Blind Students) moderator but, I have not received any response so, I am writing here in hopes I can receive some assistance of some kind so that I can begin my studies. ------------------------- Greetings to you Angie Matney, I wanted to write you in hopes that you may be of some assistance to me. I was unsure if I would correctly qualify to join the list or not for the Virginia Association of Blind Students or not so, I wanted to write you directly and find out if you can give me any information or a direction to go. Now to tell you a little bit about me and my situation. My name is Melissa, I am 32 years old and I am blind; I was born with a visual impairment, Glaucoma. Over the years I did have the normal treatments; the usage of multiple eye drops and in hospital surgery as well as laser surgery but, none of these were effective so, my vision declined over time and I am left with no usable vision. I truly believe I belong in the health field however, the particular area in health is viewed by some as absurd, while others try out different methods and can take it or leave it and others still like having the option to incorporate in methods in their life's and others truly believe in the benefits. What I am talking about is natural medicine. This covers complementary methods as well as alternative therapies. It includes anything from holistic dentistry and Chiropractics to Acupuncture to Homeopathy and Massage therapy and goes into the subjects of Vitamins and Minerals and exercise/fitness to energy work and meditation and so many more other topics. The average university/College may only have a course or two in a subject named above or something similar if they offer them at all. The only colleges that I know of that deal specifically with these subjects are Naturopathy Colleges and there are only perhaps 3-5 of them in the United States. I don't desire to move to one of these states in which one of these Naturopathy Colleges are located, the only alternative I have is searching the internet for legitimate schools online so that I can do the schoolwork from home. I have found a couple of Colleges that are of interest to me with what they offer and I have checked to see if their accreditation is legitimate or not and they do seem to be so. I do know that being a doctor is possible for a person who is blind; I once went to a lecture/discussion at my local hospital and the man that was speaking had been a doctor for a number of years and he was blind. At the time, I wasn't interested in being in the health field, I was a young teenager and was still trying to have fun and be me. Later, as I explored the internet and searched for doctors, I found these articles: blind doctor sees patients in a different way http://nfb.org/legacy/bm/bm01/bm0105/bm010514.htm blind medical student earns his me.d. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7318398/ns/health-health_care/ This next article is about a woman who went to one of the Naturopathy schools I had briefly mentioned above: PAC Mate User Story: Chris Cooke, Medical Student http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_products/PAC_Mate_HQ_ChrisCooke.asp This woman does have her own practice, which I hope to have one day, and she also does have a website: http://www.healing4you.net/ I believe that Holistic Practitioner is what I am aiming for because again, the Naturopathic Colleges are just not possible for me to attend. I would eventually do what others would need to do by becoming board certified and then having a license to practice. One of the biggest challenges is the tuition for these programs/courses online and I am not sure how to go about finding out if there may be any possible scholarships I could apply for or not. Both of the Colleges that I would like to study from does not participate in any federal or state financial aid programs at this time, therefore, no federal grants are applicable (including Stafford and Pell). I would like to mention here some of the possibilities that the Admissions had told me about from one of the Colleges-- -I was told that a private loan or alternative loan is possible, most big lenders (e.g. SunTrust, Wells Fargo, Citibank) will offer such options. However, I would like to stay away from loans if possible. -Other suggestions that were mentioned to me either do not apply or that are not possible for me. One of the Colleges does have a scholarship available to students however, with the requirements to be able to apply, I do not qualify. Also, an employer tuition grant does not apply to me. -Local Community Service Organizations such as Masonic Organizations, Eastern Star(OES), Moose and Elks Lodges, or Chambers of Commerce may provide grants. I was possibly thinking about contacting one of these but, didn't know how successful I would be. What came to mind was the Lions Club since they assist with people who are blind. I am not sure if they would have a grant/scholarship or what they may be able to provide. I did notice in the list of mailing lists the NFB has available to the public is the NFB Lions so, I would like to know if you recommend me writing to that list and providing this same information that I am sending to you? -Another suggestion that was mentioned was Vocational Rehabilitation Programs for assistance. What came to mind was the Virginia Department for the Blind and Visually Impaired. I know I would need to deal with the one located in Fairfax since that is the closest to me and I have also dealt with them in the past. I am apprehensive about contacting the Virginia Department for the Blind and Visually Impaired because my experiences with them in the past were quite unpleasant and some were even unprofessional. I don't know if the Virginia Department of the Blind and Visually Impaired can be of help in assisting with expenses or what they may be able to do in my situation or if it would be willing to assist me in making my desire to help others come true. -Other suggestions were for women who have been harmed violently and again, this does not apply to me. I am willing to do what is required to earn a scholarship of some kind so that I may be able to proceed with taking these programs/courses if a scholarship's requirements apply to me. The only other thing that concerns me is, when I am enrolled into certain programs/courses, how to have certain materials more accessible or even in an alternative method like having something tactile. The doctors who are blind have had to have alternative and/or tactile materials of some kind. Whether in the Allopathic field or the Holistic field of health care, you need to study Anatomy/Physiology and reading the text book is good and all but, having something tactile to possibly go over the different areas of the body would be wonderful and also knowing where to get something like this is a question of mine as well that I need some assistance with how to find. In Holistic health care, you also have to identify the different types of herbs and the woman I had mentioned above, would have had to do so when she was going through her schooling and I would like to find out ways to be able to do this. I don't know if she had sighted assistance and someone did a very thorough job of explaining the look while she may have had the chance to examine the herbs tactily or not. So, what i would like to know is: -if the Virginia Association of Blind Students mailing list would apply to me or be of benefit. -if you have any suggestions of other lists or people I can contact to find out more about how to proceed with scholarships or finding out about certain alternative materials I will need and where to locate it so that I can have them as I move through the programs/courses. -If the Lions Club would be of help. -any other suggestions you may have for me. Thank you for your time and any help would be appreciated. Helping others in a more natural, holistic way has been a passion of mine for quite some time but, I really never knew where to begin and the more I looked into it, the more questions I had about beginning the process because of the finances as well as the materials I may need because of my disability. Thank you, Melissa Hambleton mysticalcharm at comcast.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co m _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co m _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co m From arielle71 at gmail.com Fri Aug 3 01:09:38 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 19:09:38 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Best OCR Apps for the iPhone? Message-ID: Hi all, I got an iPhone about two months ago and I have heard there are some good apps for reading printed text (mail, handouts etc.) Do any of you have suggestions regarding the most reliable OCR apps to get? One issue I have is that I have really bad aim when taking photos with a phone camera, so I would like to get one that is highly accurate and/or that provides viewfinder feedback. I have heard that VizWiz (an app that will send a photo of something to a human reader who will send back a translation within a few minutes) is good, but I would like to use a software app so I don't have to wait. Apologies if this is slightly off-topic, but I figured that many blind students have iPhones and could benefit from having a free or low-cost app to use when reading in-class handouts and other printed documents. Thanks for any assistance! Best, Arielle From hope.paulos at gmail.com Fri Aug 3 01:15:28 2012 From: hope.paulos at gmail.com (Hope Paulos) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 21:15:28 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Best OCR Apps for the iPhone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000c01cd7115$793c9dc0$6bb5d940$@gmail.com> People have talked a great deal about Prismo. I've never tried it. I heard that text detective is also a good app and say text, and doc scanner. Hope -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle Silverman Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 9:10 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Best OCR Apps for the iPhone? Hi all, I got an iPhone about two months ago and I have heard there are some good apps for reading printed text (mail, handouts etc.) Do any of you have suggestions regarding the most reliable OCR apps to get? One issue I have is that I have really bad aim when taking photos with a phone camera, so I would like to get one that is highly accurate and/or that provides viewfinder feedback. I have heard that VizWiz (an app that will send a photo of something to a human reader who will send back a translation within a few minutes) is good, but I would like to use a software app so I don't have to wait. Apologies if this is slightly off-topic, but I figured that many blind students have iPhones and could benefit from having a free or low-cost app to use when reading in-class handouts and other printed documents. Thanks for any assistance! Best, Arielle _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com From zerone1683 at gmail.com Fri Aug 3 01:24:36 2012 From: zerone1683 at gmail.com (zerone1683 at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 18:24:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] Best OCR Apps for the iPhone? Message-ID: <1207343752.0.1343957070201.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> You might want to try talking with the Electronics Talk mailing list. C.C. Alan From freethaught at gmail.com Fri Aug 3 01:54:03 2012 From: freethaught at gmail.com (Antonio Guimaraes) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 21:54:03 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] entitlement vs eligibility was: Re: Question AboutStudying For Math Placement Test In-Reply-To: References: <010101cd6d11$00109210$0031b630$@gmail.com> <22ED43BA42ED4F9FB4777C200CEA0585@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <501B2F3B.209@gmail.com> Anyone looking for a book in an accessible format might do themselves a big vafor by visitting the APH Louis database at the following link: http://louis.aph.org/catalog/CategoryInfo.aspx?cid=152 On 7/28/2012 7:17 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > For Josh Gregory, I didn't know anything about NBP, until I was > introduced to the NFB. > i just assumed that the school was getting all of my Braille books > from Rightsville Prison, (they used to have a Braille program.) > Blessings, Joshua > > On 7/28/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Hope, >> But Josh wanted it in braille; that is why he needed NBP. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Hope Paulos >> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 6:33 PM >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] entitlement vs eligibility was: Re: Question >> AboutStudying For Math Placement Test >> >> What about Learning Ally? They have a lot of textbooks and I'm sure they >> have ones pertaining to math. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of josh gregory >> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 6:30 PM >> To: Misty Dawn Bradley; National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] entitlement vs eligibility was: Re: Question About >> Studying For Math Placement Test >> >> For Joshua: This goes back to entitlement vs. eligibility. In high school, >> they did everything for you. You were given access to things because you >> were entitled to them. In college, advocacy is a big part of everything you >> do! You, the student are expected to advocate for what you need, and, >> therefor, you're the one that should have contacted nbp. The college has no >> such responsibility to do these things, that's your job. Sorry, but that's >> how it is, and how I'm going to explain it. >> >> On 7/28/12, josh gregory wrote: >>> Oh man, this is bad but, originally, they gave me the algebra one, but >>> they managed to find the arithmetic one. With a calculator, I got a 73 >>> so will prob. be in introduction to algebra, with college math after. >>> Well they'll give you the tests in braille if you ask, they did for >>> me. >>> >>> On 7/28/12, Misty Dawn Bradley wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> I am starting classes on August 20 at my local community college, and >>>> I was told that I need to take the Compass placement tests in >>>> reading, writing, and math. I could do well in the reading and >>>> writing, but I need to study more for the math portion in the area of >>>> Algebra, as this is not my strongest area, and it has been a while >>>> since I have done Algebra. >>>> Does anyone on this list know where I can get something that is >>>> accessible, such as a website or book, so that I can study for the >>>> math part of the test? A lot of the sites I have found are using >>>> graphics for the math problems and explanations rather than using >>>> text that is readable by JAWS. >>>> I am hoping to pass this test so I can avoid taking extra >>>> developmental courses, so any help would be appreciated. Also, have >>>> any of you taken this test before, and how advanced does the math >>>> portion get? >>>> Thank you in advance, >>>> >>>> Misty >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmai >>>> l.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Ways to Connect with me: >>> >>> facebook.com/evercuriousmasteryodo >>> >>> twitter.com/joshg93 >>> Skype: joshgregory93 >>> FaceTime, iMessage and iChat: joshkart12 at gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Ways to Connect with me: >> >> facebook.com/evercuriousmasteryodo >> >> twitter.com/joshg93 >> Skype: joshgregory93 >> FaceTime, iMessage and iChat: joshkart12 at gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freethaught%40gmail.com -- Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr. From freethaught at gmail.com Fri Aug 3 02:00:26 2012 From: freethaught at gmail.com (Antonio Guimaraes) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 22:00:26 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Best OCR Apps for the iPhone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <501B30BA.80701@gmail.com> Arielle, The best advice I can give on this subject is wait. I figure the blindness circles would be buzzing with excitement if there were a good solution currently available. Maybe the KNFB team has something up their sleeves. Kurzweil or open book may have to do it for the time being. I didn't even find the KNFB reader all that it was made out to be, but that is just me. Sincerely, And still waiting. Antonio Guimaraes On 8/2/2012 9:09 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi all, > I got an iPhone about two months ago and I have heard there are some > good apps for reading printed text (mail, handouts etc.) Do any of you > have suggestions regarding the most reliable OCR apps to get? One > issue I have is that I have really bad aim when taking photos with a > phone camera, so I would like to get one that is highly accurate > and/or that provides viewfinder feedback. > I have heard that VizWiz (an app that will send a photo of something > to a human reader who will send back a translation within a few > minutes) is good, but I would like to use a software app so I don't > have to wait. > Apologies if this is slightly off-topic, but I figured that many blind > students have iPhones and could benefit from having a free or low-cost > app to use when reading in-class handouts and other printed documents. > Thanks for any assistance! > Best, > Arielle > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freethaught%40gmail.com -- Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr. From opensesame at me.com Fri Aug 3 02:05:45 2012 From: opensesame at me.com (Bryan Jones) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 22:05:45 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Best OCR Apps for the iPhone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Arielle, I've personally had good success using Prizmo to OCR some course materials as well as, mail, business cards, etc, but I've also heard from many folks who struggle to get decent results with Prizmo or any of the IOS OCR Apps. It takes some patience and practice, and it seems to help if you have an iPhone 4 or 4S, both of which have better cameras than the iPhone 3GS. I've pasted a link to a great beginner's guide to using Prizmo from the Applevis website, which is a good resource for reviews and discussion of accessible IOS Apps. I've also pasted links below to 3 of the most popular OCR Apps, but there are many more which you can find by searching that same site. A Guide to using Prizmo: http://www.applevis.com/guides/guide-using-prizmo-scanning-and-ocr-application-iphone Prizmo review: http://www.applevis.com/ios-app-directory/lifestyle/prizmo SayText review: http://www.applevis.com/ios-app-directory/productivity/saytext TextDetective review: http://applevis.com/ios-app-directory/utilities/textdetective HTH, Cheers, Bryan On Aug 2, 2012, at 9:09 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > I got an iPhone about two months ago and I have heard there are some > good apps for reading printed text (mail, handouts etc.) Do any of you > have suggestions regarding the most reliable OCR apps to get? One > issue I have is that I have really bad aim when taking photos with a > phone camera, so I would like to get one that is highly accurate > and/or that provides viewfinder feedback. > I have heard that VizWiz (an app that will send a photo of something > to a human reader who will send back a translation within a few > minutes) is good, but I would like to use a software app so I don't > have to wait. From joshkart12 at gmail.com Fri Aug 3 02:10:57 2012 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (josh gregory) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 22:10:57 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Best OCR Apps for the iPhone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is just me. But, I personally find the iPhone quite difficult to line up properly with the paper you're trying to scan. It'll work, but it'll also take time and patience. Hth, Josh On 8/2/12, Bryan Jones wrote: > Hi Arielle, > > I've personally had good success using Prizmo to OCR some course materials > as well as, mail, business cards, etc, but I've also heard from many folks > who struggle to get decent results with Prizmo or any of the IOS OCR Apps. > It takes some patience and practice, and it seems to help if you have an > iPhone 4 or 4S, both of which have better cameras than the iPhone 3GS. I've > pasted a link to a great beginner's guide to using Prizmo from the Applevis > website, which is a good resource for reviews and discussion of accessible > IOS Apps. I've also pasted links below to 3 of the most popular OCR Apps, > but there are many more which you can find by searching that same site. > > A Guide to using Prizmo: > http://www.applevis.com/guides/guide-using-prizmo-scanning-and-ocr-application-iphone > > Prizmo review: > http://www.applevis.com/ios-app-directory/lifestyle/prizmo > > SayText review: > http://www.applevis.com/ios-app-directory/productivity/saytext > > TextDetective review: > http://applevis.com/ios-app-directory/utilities/textdetective > > HTH, > Cheers, > Bryan > > On Aug 2, 2012, at 9:09 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: >> I got an iPhone about two months ago and I have heard there are some >> good apps for reading printed text (mail, handouts etc.) Do any of you >> have suggestions regarding the most reliable OCR apps to get? One >> issue I have is that I have really bad aim when taking photos with a >> phone camera, so I would like to get one that is highly accurate >> and/or that provides viewfinder feedback. >> I have heard that VizWiz (an app that will send a photo of something >> to a human reader who will send back a translation within a few >> minutes) is good, but I would like to use a software app so I don't >> have to wait. > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com > -- Ways to Connect with me: facebook.com/evercuriousmasteryodo twitter.com/joshg93 Skype: joshgregory93 FaceTime, iMessage and iChat: joshkart12 at gmail.com From joshkart12 at gmail.com Fri Aug 3 02:11:56 2012 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (josh gregory) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 22:11:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] entitlement vs eligibility was: Re: Question AboutStudying For Math Placement Test In-Reply-To: <501B2F3B.209@gmail.com> References: <010101cd6d11$00109210$0031b630$@gmail.com> <22ED43BA42ED4F9FB4777C200CEA0585@OwnerPC> <501B2F3B.209@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hmm... are they downloadable? On 8/2/12, Antonio Guimaraes wrote: > Anyone looking for a book in an accessible format might do themselves a > big vafor by visitting the APH Louis database at the following link: > > http://louis.aph.org/catalog/CategoryInfo.aspx?cid=152 > > > On 7/28/2012 7:17 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: >> For Josh Gregory, I didn't know anything about NBP, until I was >> introduced to the NFB. >> i just assumed that the school was getting all of my Braille books >> from Rightsville Prison, (they used to have a Braille program.) >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 7/28/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> Hope, >>> But Josh wanted it in braille; that is why he needed NBP. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Hope Paulos >>> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 6:33 PM >>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] entitlement vs eligibility was: Re: Question >>> AboutStudying For Math Placement Test >>> >>> What about Learning Ally? They have a lot of textbooks and I'm sure they >>> have ones pertaining to math. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>> Behalf >>> Of josh gregory >>> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 6:30 PM >>> To: Misty Dawn Bradley; National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] entitlement vs eligibility was: Re: Question About >>> Studying For Math Placement Test >>> >>> For Joshua: This goes back to entitlement vs. eligibility. In high >>> school, >>> they did everything for you. You were given access to things because you >>> were entitled to them. In college, advocacy is a big part of everything >>> you >>> do! You, the student are expected to advocate for what you need, and, >>> therefor, you're the one that should have contacted nbp. The college has >>> no >>> such responsibility to do these things, that's your job. Sorry, but >>> that's >>> how it is, and how I'm going to explain it. >>> >>> On 7/28/12, josh gregory wrote: >>>> Oh man, this is bad but, originally, they gave me the algebra one, but >>>> they managed to find the arithmetic one. With a calculator, I got a 73 >>>> so will prob. be in introduction to algebra, with college math after. >>>> Well they'll give you the tests in braille if you ask, they did for >>>> me. >>>> >>>> On 7/28/12, Misty Dawn Bradley wrote: >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> I am starting classes on August 20 at my local community college, and >>>>> I was told that I need to take the Compass placement tests in >>>>> reading, writing, and math. I could do well in the reading and >>>>> writing, but I need to study more for the math portion in the area of >>>>> Algebra, as this is not my strongest area, and it has been a while >>>>> since I have done Algebra. >>>>> Does anyone on this list know where I can get something that is >>>>> accessible, such as a website or book, so that I can study for the >>>>> math part of the test? A lot of the sites I have found are using >>>>> graphics for the math problems and explanations rather than using >>>>> text that is readable by JAWS. >>>>> I am hoping to pass this test so I can avoid taking extra >>>>> developmental courses, so any help would be appreciated. Also, have >>>>> any of you taken this test before, and how advanced does the math >>>>> portion get? >>>>> Thank you in advance, >>>>> >>>>> Misty >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmai >>>>> l.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Ways to Connect with me: >>>> >>>> facebook.com/evercuriousmasteryodo >>>> >>>> twitter.com/joshg93 >>>> Skype: joshgregory93 >>>> FaceTime, iMessage and iChat: joshkart12 at gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Ways to Connect with me: >>> >>> facebook.com/evercuriousmasteryodo >>> >>> twitter.com/joshg93 >>> Skype: joshgregory93 >>> FaceTime, iMessage and iChat: joshkart12 at gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freethaught%40gmail.com > > > -- > Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com > -- Ways to Connect with me: facebook.com/evercuriousmasteryodo twitter.com/joshg93 Skype: joshgregory93 FaceTime, iMessage and iChat: joshkart12 at gmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Fri Aug 3 02:23:54 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 21:23:54 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] questions and assistance needed for starting online college In-Reply-To: <015901cd70fb$be9fd360$6402a8c0@bfa617c5f939410> References: <015901cd70fb$be9fd360$6402a8c0@bfa617c5f939410> Message-ID: Hi, Melissa. First of all, welcome to the list! Please put your name in the E-mails, when you post. The address shows up as mystical charm, instead of your name. Please change that. Thanks, Joshua On 8/2/12, Mystical Charm wrote: > I have copied and pasted below an email that I sent to the VABS (Virginia > Association of Blind Students) moderator but, I have not received any > response so, I am writing here in hopes I can receive some assistance of > some kind so that I can begin my studies. > > ------------------------- > > Greetings to you Angie Matney, > > I wanted to write you in hopes that you may be of some assistance to me. I > was unsure if I would correctly qualify to join the list or not for the > Virginia Association of Blind Students or not so, I wanted to write you > directly and find out if you can give me any information or a direction to > go. > > Now to tell you a little bit about me and my situation. > > My name is Melissa, I am 32 years old and I am blind; I was born with a > visual impairment, Glaucoma. Over the years I did have the normal > treatments; the usage of multiple eye drops and in hospital surgery as well > as laser surgery but, none of these were effective so, my vision declined > over time and I am left with no usable vision. > > I truly believe I belong in the health field however, the particular area in > health is viewed by some as absurd, while others try out different methods > and can take it or leave it and others still like having the option to > incorporate in methods in their life's and others truly believe in the > benefits. What I am talking about is natural medicine. This covers > complementary methods as well as alternative therapies. It includes anything > from holistic dentistry and Chiropractics to Acupuncture to Homeopathy and > Massage therapy and goes into the subjects of Vitamins and Minerals and > exercise/fitness to energy work and meditation and so many more other > topics. > > The average university/College may only have a course or two in a subject > named above or something similar if they offer them at all. The only > colleges that I know of that deal specifically with these subjects are > Naturopathy Colleges and there are only perhaps 3-5 of them in the United > States. I don't desire to move to one of these states in which one of these > Naturopathy Colleges are located, the only alternative I have is searching > the internet for legitimate schools online so that I can do the schoolwork > from home. I have found a couple of Colleges that are of interest to me with > what they offer and I have checked to see if their accreditation is > legitimate or not and they do seem to be so. > > I do know that being a doctor is possible for a person who is blind; I once > went to a lecture/discussion at my local hospital and the man that was > speaking had been a doctor for a number of years and he was blind. At the > time, I wasn't interested in being in the health field, I was a young > teenager and was still trying to have fun and be me. Later, as I explored > the internet and searched for doctors, I found these articles: > > blind doctor sees patients in a different way > > http://nfb.org/legacy/bm/bm01/bm0105/bm010514.htm > > blind medical student earns his me.d. > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7318398/ns/health-health_care/ > > This next article is about a woman who went to one of the Naturopathy > schools I had briefly mentioned above: > > PAC Mate User Story: Chris Cooke, Medical Student > http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_products/PAC_Mate_HQ_ChrisCooke.asp > > This woman does have her own practice, which I hope to have one day, and she > also does have a website: > > http://www.healing4you.net/ > > I believe that Holistic Practitioner is what I am aiming for because again, > the Naturopathic Colleges are just not possible for me to attend. I would > eventually do what others would need to do by becoming board certified and > then having a license to practice. > > One of the biggest challenges is the tuition for these programs/courses > online and I am not sure how to go about finding out if there may be any > possible scholarships I could apply for or not. Both of the Colleges that I > would like to study from does not participate in any federal or state > financial aid programs at this time, therefore, no federal grants are > applicable (including Stafford and Pell). I would like to mention here some > of the possibilities that the Admissions had told me about from one of the > Colleges-- > > -I was told that a private loan or alternative loan is possible, most big > lenders (e.g. SunTrust, Wells Fargo, Citibank) will offer such options. > However, I would like to stay away from loans if possible. > > -Other suggestions that were mentioned to me either do not apply or that are > not possible for me. One of the Colleges does have a scholarship available > to students however, with the requirements to be able to apply, I do not > qualify. Also, an employer tuition grant does not apply to me. > > -Local Community Service Organizations such as Masonic Organizations, > > Eastern Star(OES), Moose and Elks Lodges, or Chambers of Commerce may > provide grants. > > > > I was possibly thinking about contacting one of these but, didn't know how > successful I would be. What came to mind was the Lions Club since they > assist with people who are blind. I am not sure if they would have a > grant/scholarship or what they may be able to provide. I did notice in the > list of mailing lists the NFB has available to the public is the NFB Lions > so, I would like to know if you recommend me writing to that list and > providing this same information that I am sending to you? > > > > -Another suggestion that was mentioned was > > Vocational Rehabilitation Programs > > for assistance. What came to mind was the Virginia Department for the Blind > and Visually Impaired. I know I would need to deal with the one located in > Fairfax since that is the closest to me and I have also dealt with them in > the past. I am apprehensive about contacting the Virginia Department for the > Blind and Visually Impaired because my experiences with them in the past > were quite unpleasant and some were even unprofessional. I don't know if the > Virginia Department of the Blind and Visually Impaired can be of help in > assisting with expenses or what they may be able to do in my situation or > if it would be willing to assist me in making my desire to help others come > true. > > > > -Other suggestions were for women who have been harmed violently and again, > this does not apply to me. > > > > I am willing to do what is required to earn a scholarship of some kind so > that I may be able to proceed with taking these programs/courses if a > scholarship's requirements apply to me. > > > > The only other thing that concerns me is, when I am enrolled into certain > programs/courses, how to have certain materials more accessible or even in > an alternative method like having something tactile. The doctors who are > blind have had to have alternative and/or tactile materials of some kind. > Whether in the Allopathic field or the Holistic field of health care, you > need to study Anatomy/Physiology and reading the text book is good and all > but, having something tactile to possibly go over the different areas of the > body would be wonderful and also knowing where to get something like this is > a question of mine as well that I need some assistance with how to find. In > Holistic health care, you also have to identify the different types of herbs > and the woman I had mentioned above, would have had to do so when she was > going through her schooling and I would like to find out ways to be able to > do this. I don't know if she had sighted assistance and someone did a very > thorough job of explaining the look while she may have had the chance to > examine the herbs tactily or not. > > > > So, what i would like to know is: > > > > -if the Virginia Association of Blind Students mailing list would apply to > me or be of benefit. > > -if you have any suggestions of other lists or people I can contact to find > out more about how to proceed with scholarships or finding out about certain > alternative materials I will need and where to locate it so that I can have > them as I move through the programs/courses. > > -If the Lions Club would be of help. > > -any other suggestions you may have for me. > > > > Thank you for your time and any help would be appreciated. Helping others in > a more natural, holistic way has been a passion of mine for quite some time > but, I really never knew where to begin and the more I looked into it, the > more questions I had about beginning the process because of the finances as > well as the materials I may need because of my disability. > > > > Thank you, > > Melissa Hambleton > > mysticalcharm at comcast.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From dandrews at visi.com Fri Aug 3 02:33:38 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 21:33:38 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Looking for cornea specialist to treat conjunctival melanomas Message-ID: >I have been asked to circulate this. Please respond to the person >in the e-mail if you can help. Dave >Dave, > >I would appreciate if you can distribute this to the appropriate lists. > >Cindy Sheets > >Message>> >I have a friend that is looking for a cornea specialist who has experience >with conjunctival melanomas to treat her daughter. Her local doctor would >not do the surgery and an out-of-town specialist would not take her >insurance. > >Please contact me if you have any information. >Cindy Sheets >slerythema at insightbb.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Aug 3 02:37:27 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 21:37:27 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] If You Want To Help Shape The Future Of My Internet Radio Work Please Read On In-Reply-To: References: <652DDABE80434D2D97E38CA9A3C53F94@AudioAccessFM> <014d01cd6f64$9e47a2c0$dad6e840$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3444C78D-23D2-4E01-A730-0268F90A9EF0@gmail.com> He does have an archive on his station's Web site. I hope he archives this one! Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPod On Jul 31, 2012, at 8:00 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > Amy, I think he has a show archive on the Website. > Hopefully, you can listen to all the archives. > Thanks, Joshua > > On 7/31/12, Amy Sabo wrote: >> Hello all, >> >> Yes, david does a excellent job on his radio work. And, I believe in it and >> in him too! I didn't get a chance to hear the show last night but, I have >> confidence in his abilities. >> >> Thanks again and, I wish him all of the luck in his endeavors. >> >> >> >> Hugs, >> From amy >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of David Dunphy >> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 11:50 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] If You Want To Help Shape The Future Of My Internet Radio >> Work Please Read On >> >> Hi Everyone! >> I am happy to report that after last week, my Windows XP machine that I use >> for broadcasting is back up and running, which is good, cause I want to >> entertain you with another musically awesome Djd Invasion show, but I need >> your help too! >> >> Tune in at 8 PM eastern to The Djd Invasion show happening on Audio Access >> FM, and I think finally JAndJFM too! >> >> This is going to be 120 minutes that will be rewarding, entertaining, >> informative, and an opportunity for you to help shape the future of my show >> and this radio project you've come to know as Audio Access FM. I'm at a >> cross roads now, in my radio work and personal life. And If I'm going to >> keep going on air, which I want to in a big way, then I want the work I do >> to matter, which is why you need to tune in and hear what I will be saying >> about what's coming for the station and more. >> In addition to this serious end of things, there will be our Judge Judy >> clip >> of the month, upbeat and awesome songs that will leave you with a good >> feeling, an eclectic mix of songs that will give something to everyone, and >> more... >> >> And if course, you can contribute to the show through our interactions, >> requests, etc. >> >> To participate in tonight's show, contact me in one of the following ways: >> >> By email at >> daviddunphy at audioaccessfm.com >> >> Via msn or aol instant messengers at >> interact at audioaccessfm.com >> >> Via skype at >> audio.accessfm >> >> Or via telephone at >> 1-516-324-2314 >> >> Get ready for a ride that will make you laugh, have you singing to the >> tunes, and will give you hope and excitement about the not too distant >> future, so to hear it all put out on the table, save this email, and at any >> time between 8 PM and 10 PM eastern, go to >> http://www.audioaccessfm.com/broadband.php >> >> or to >> http://www.jandj.fm >> >> to be part of the fun! >> >> Hope to see you all there! >> >> From David Dunphy, A K A Djd, Station Manager Of Audio Access FM, and host >> of The Djd Invasion Internet Radio Show http://www.audioaccessfm.com >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amieelsabo%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com Fri Aug 3 02:46:44 2012 From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 20:46:44 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] If You Want To Help Shape The Future Of My Internet Radio Work Please Read On In-Reply-To: <3444C78D-23D2-4E01-A730-0268F90A9EF0@gmail.com> References: <652DDABE80434D2D97E38CA9A3C53F94@AudioAccessFM> <014d01cd6f64$9e47a2c0$dad6e840$@gmail.com> <3444C78D-23D2-4E01-A730-0268F90A9EF0@gmail.com> Message-ID: <723BF149-8393-4584-9D44-AF4F20CECD2E@gmail.com> D Sent from my iPhone On Aug 2, 2012, at 8:37 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > He does have an archive on his station's Web site. I hope he archives this one! > > Chris Nusbaum > > Sent from my iPod > > On Jul 31, 2012, at 8:00 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > >> Amy, I think he has a show archive on the Website. >> Hopefully, you can listen to all the archives. >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> On 7/31/12, Amy Sabo wrote: >>> Hello all, >>> >>> Yes, david does a excellent job on his radio work. And, I believe in it and >>> in him too! I didn't get a chance to hear the show last night but, I have >>> confidence in his abilities. >>> >>> Thanks again and, I wish him all of the luck in his endeavors. >>> >>> >>> >>> Hugs, >>> From amy >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>> Behalf >>> Of David Dunphy >>> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 11:50 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] If You Want To Help Shape The Future Of My Internet Radio >>> Work Please Read On >>> >>> Hi Everyone! >>> I am happy to report that after last week, my Windows XP machine that I use >>> for broadcasting is back up and running, which is good, cause I want to >>> entertain you with another musically awesome Djd Invasion show, but I need >>> your help too! >>> >>> Tune in at 8 PM eastern to The Djd Invasion show happening on Audio Access >>> FM, and I think finally JAndJFM too! >>> >>> This is going to be 120 minutes that will be rewarding, entertaining, >>> informative, and an opportunity for you to help shape the future of my show >>> and this radio project you've come to know as Audio Access FM. I'm at a >>> cross roads now, in my radio work and personal life. And If I'm going to >>> keep going on air, which I want to in a big way, then I want the work I do >>> to matter, which is why you need to tune in and hear what I will be saying >>> about what's coming for the station and more. >>> In addition to this serious end of things, there will be our Judge Judy >>> clip >>> of the month, upbeat and awesome songs that will leave you with a good >>> feeling, an eclectic mix of songs that will give something to everyone, and >>> more... >>> >>> And if course, you can contribute to the show through our interactions, >>> requests, etc. >>> >>> To participate in tonight's show, contact me in one of the following ways: >>> >>> By email at >>> daviddunphy at audioaccessfm.com >>> >>> Via msn or aol instant messengers at >>> interact at audioaccessfm.com >>> >>> Via skype at >>> audio.accessfm >>> >>> Or via telephone at >>> 1-516-324-2314 >>> >>> Get ready for a ride that will make you laugh, have you singing to the >>> tunes, and will give you hope and excitement about the not too distant >>> future, so to hear it all put out on the table, save this email, and at any >>> time between 8 PM and 10 PM eastern, go to >>> http://www.audioaccessfm.com/broadband.php >>> >>> or to >>> http://www.jandj.fm >>> >>> to be part of the fun! >>> >>> Hope to see you all there! >>> >>> From David Dunphy, A K A Djd, Station Manager Of Audio Access FM, and host >>> of The Djd Invasion Internet Radio Show http://www.audioaccessfm.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amieelsabo%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com From ignasicambra at gmail.com Fri Aug 3 07:26:53 2012 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 00:26:53 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Best OCR Apps for the iPhone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5188361749732754643@unknownmsgid> Once you get used to doing it the right way it really doesn't take much patience. Just keep trying and find the right way to do it. Try having the paper you are trying to scan on a flat surface such as a table, and make sure the light is on. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 2, 2012, at 7:14 PM, josh gregory wrote: > This is just me. But, I personally find the iPhone quite difficult to > line up properly with the paper you're trying to scan. It'll work, but > it'll also take time and patience. > Hth, > Josh > > On 8/2/12, Bryan Jones wrote: >> Hi Arielle, >> >> I've personally had good success using Prizmo to OCR some course materials >> as well as, mail, business cards, etc, but I've also heard from many folks >> who struggle to get decent results with Prizmo or any of the IOS OCR Apps. >> It takes some patience and practice, and it seems to help if you have an >> iPhone 4 or 4S, both of which have better cameras than the iPhone 3GS. I've >> pasted a link to a great beginner's guide to using Prizmo from the Applevis >> website, which is a good resource for reviews and discussion of accessible >> IOS Apps. I've also pasted links below to 3 of the most popular OCR Apps, >> but there are many more which you can find by searching that same site. >> >> A Guide to using Prizmo: >> http://www.applevis.com/guides/guide-using-prizmo-scanning-and-ocr-application-iphone >> >> Prizmo review: >> http://www.applevis.com/ios-app-directory/lifestyle/prizmo >> >> SayText review: >> http://www.applevis.com/ios-app-directory/productivity/saytext >> >> TextDetective review: >> http://applevis.com/ios-app-directory/utilities/textdetective >> >> HTH, >> Cheers, >> Bryan >> >> On Aug 2, 2012, at 9:09 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>> I got an iPhone about two months ago and I have heard there are some >>> good apps for reading printed text (mail, handouts etc.) Do any of you >>> have suggestions regarding the most reliable OCR apps to get? One >>> issue I have is that I have really bad aim when taking photos with a >>> phone camera, so I would like to get one that is highly accurate >>> and/or that provides viewfinder feedback. >>> I have heard that VizWiz (an app that will send a photo of something >>> to a human reader who will send back a translation within a few >>> minutes) is good, but I would like to use a software app so I don't >>> have to wait. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Ways to Connect with me: > > facebook.com/evercuriousmasteryodo > > twitter.com/joshg93 > Skype: joshgregory93 > FaceTime, iMessage and iChat: joshkart12 at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Fri Aug 3 07:32:59 2012 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 01:32:59 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Best OCR Apps for the iPhone? Message-ID: <501b7ed7.e45b320a.6af2.0a50@mx.google.com> I remember many times the lights were off and my photos came out blank! So yeah, like whuaft Ignasi says, keep a light on so you can take a photo. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: Ignasi Cambra wrote: This is just me. But, I personally find the iPhone quite difficult to line up properly with the paper you're trying to scan. It'll work, but it'll also take time and patience. Hth, Josh On 8/2/12, Bryan Jones wrote: Hi Arielle, I've personally had good success using Prizmo to OCR some course materials as well as, mail, business cards, etc, but I've also heard from many folks who struggle to get decent results with Prizmo or any of the IOS OCR Apps. It takes some patience and practice, and it seems to help if you have an iPhone 4 or 4S, both of which have better cameras than the iPhone 3GS. I've pasted a link to a great beginner's guide to using Prizmo from the Applevis website, which is a good resource for reviews and discussion of accessible IOS Apps. I've also pasted links below to 3 of the most popular OCR Apps, but there are many more which you can find by searching that same site. A Guide to using Prizmo: http://www.applevis.com/guides/guide-using-prizmo-scanning-and-oc r-application-iphone Prizmo review: http://www.applevis.com/ios-app-directory/lifestyle/prizmo SayText review: http://www.applevis.com/ios-app-directory/productivity/saytext TextDetective review: http://applevis.com/ios-app-directory/utilities/textdetective HTH, Cheers, Bryan On Aug 2, 2012, at 9:09 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: I got an iPhone about two months ago and I have heard there are some good apps for reading printed text (mail, handouts etc.) Do any of you have suggestions regarding the most reliable OCR apps to get? One issue I have is that I have really bad aim when taking photos with a phone camera, so I would like to get one that is highly accurate and/or that provides viewfinder feedback. I have heard that VizWiz (an app that will send a photo of something to a human reader who will send back a translation within a few minutes) is good, but I would like to use a software app so I don't have to wait. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40 gmail.com -- Ways to Connect with me: facebook.com/evercuriousmasteryodo twitter.com/joshg93 Skype: joshgregory93 FaceTime, iMessage and iChat: joshkart12 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra% 40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo se%40gmail.com From minh.ha927 at gmail.com Fri Aug 3 13:38:27 2012 From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 09:38:27 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Information about Italian Message-ID: Hi all, I am going to be taking an Elementary Italian course in the fall and was wondering if you guys have any experience with Italian braille. I'm super excited to learn Italian but not quite sure how I might tackle this in college. In high school, I took Spanish and always have braille books, but obtaining a copy in braille for Italian might be challenging. I am going to be using a braille note however so any information on this would be most appreciated Thank you for your assistance Minh -- "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence From ptrck.molloy at gmail.com Fri Aug 3 13:46:52 2012 From: ptrck.molloy at gmail.com (Patrick Molloy) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 09:46:52 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Information about Italian In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Minh, If you have a BrailleNote, you can set the language setting to Italian and then type like you would in English. Not knowing Italian, I don't know which letters are accented or not, but if you set your computer braille table to Italian and then set the computer braille to 8-dot, you should have no problem with the accents. For the book or books that you'll use, here's what I did with my Spanish books freshman year. Have your disabilities office scan them, then read them either on your computer or BrailleNote. Hope this helps. Patrick On 8/3/12, minh ha wrote: > Hi all, > > I am going to be taking an Elementary Italian course in the fall and > was wondering if you guys have any experience with Italian braille. > I'm super excited to learn Italian but not quite sure how I might > tackle this in college. In high school, I took Spanish and always have > braille books, but obtaining a copy in braille for Italian might be > challenging. I am going to be using a braille note however so any > information on this would be most appreciated > > Thank you for your assistance > Minh > > -- > "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty > recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: > but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on > their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com > From trillian551 at gmail.com Fri Aug 3 15:12:19 2012 From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 11:12:19 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Information about Italian In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Min, I took Italian and French in college with just a Braillenote and my laptop so it's doable. Much like you, in high school I always had my French books in Braille. For Italian, I was lucky because our text book was actually an E-Text that we bought online. Then you could download the chapters in a pdf. I'd take that pdf and run it through Kurzweil and then just convert the file into rtf and put it in my braillenote. If you're book isn't an E-text, go ahead and start working on your disability service office to scan it for you. If they don't have anyone they use for this, AMAC is a good resource. Also, you might try looking in the STEP program website to see if they have your textbook. STEP is a project between Course Smart and AMAC that allows you to rent accessible text books online. I also did homework and quizzes on my Braillenote. My professor created all of her assignment online so she would just email them to me. Actually, most students in my class did all their work online, since the E-textbook had a workbook portion that you had to type up and then print. So, go ahead and talk to your professor now about what you need, and talk to your office of disabilities. Good luck, and feel free to email me if you have further questions. Mary On 8/3/12, Patrick Molloy wrote: > Minh, > If you have a BrailleNote, you can set the language setting to Italian > and then type like you would in English. Not knowing Italian, I don't > know which letters are accented or not, but if you set your computer > braille table to Italian and then set the computer braille to 8-dot, > you should have no problem with the accents. > > For the book or books that you'll use, here's what I did with my > Spanish books freshman year. Have your disabilities office scan them, > then read them either on your computer or BrailleNote. Hope this > helps. > Patrick > > On 8/3/12, minh ha wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I am going to be taking an Elementary Italian course in the fall and >> was wondering if you guys have any experience with Italian braille. >> I'm super excited to learn Italian but not quite sure how I might >> tackle this in college. In high school, I took Spanish and always have >> braille books, but obtaining a copy in braille for Italian might be >> challenging. I am going to be using a braille note however so any >> information on this would be most appreciated >> >> Thank you for your assistance >> Minh >> >> -- >> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty >> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: >> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com > -- Mary Fernandez Emory 2012 "A pioneer is not someone who makes her own soap. She is one who takes up her burdens and walks toward the future." -- Laurel Thatcher Ulrich From brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com Fri Aug 3 15:21:46 2012 From: brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com (Brandon Keith Biggs) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 08:21:46 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Information about Italian In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7437CFCF425B49BFAADCB37C12097B02@BrandonsLaptop2> Hello, When I took Italian I just used Jaws with the Italian voice. There are symbols for I grave and what not, but I'm not very good at them. There is a website that talks about them somewhere, but I'm not sure what it is. But other than that, everything is in grade 1. Thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs -----Original Message----- From: minh ha Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 6:38 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Information about Italian Hi all, I am going to be taking an Elementary Italian course in the fall and was wondering if you guys have any experience with Italian braille. I'm super excited to learn Italian but not quite sure how I might tackle this in college. In high school, I took Spanish and always have braille books, but obtaining a copy in braille for Italian might be challenging. I am going to be using a braille note however so any information on this would be most appreciated Thank you for your assistance Minh -- "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com From ALewis at nfb.org Fri Aug 3 20:00:03 2012 From: ALewis at nfb.org (Lewis, Anil) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 20:00:03 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Goodwill Informational Protest Message-ID: <72D51A25A403F249A0FC4A94A0D9640D0FADB8D4@CH1PRD0710MB380.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> Goodwill Informational Protest Taking Our Fight for Fair Wages to the Streets Where: Goodwill Thrift Store Locations Around the Country Date: August 25, 2012 Time: 11:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. Local Time This is an informational protest. Our purpose is to promote public awareness of the unfair, discriminatory, and immoral practice of paying subminimum wages to workers with disabilities. Goodwill is a household name, but most households do not realize that Goodwill is one of the many employers that pay less than the federal minimum wage to their workers with disabilities. In order to effect a change in this policy, we are urging people not to shop at thrift stores affiliated with Goodwill Industries International and/or donate goods to Goodwill until they adopt a policy to pay at least the federal minimum wage to all of their workers with disabilities. Signs will be used to attract attention and informational flyers will be distributed to the general public. We are aware that some Goodwill-affiliated agencies pay their workers the minimum wage, and others have chosen to limit the vocational potential of these individuals by paying them pennies per hour. The agencies that value their employees with disabilities by paying at least the federal minimum wage are setting an example for the others to follow, and they can provide the technical assistance necessary for the others to adopt a similar business model that pays a competitive wage to every employee. As a result, Goodwill is in a better position than most to assist in bringing this discriminatory practice to an end. We are setting up informational protests at Goodwill Thrift Store locations across the country. The protests will occur between the hours of 11:00 a.m. and 1:00 p.m. local time. The following website can be accessed to find local Goodwill Thrift Store locations: http://locator.goodwill.org. A larger protest makes a better media presentation. More protest sites provide greater direct public awareness. One Goodwill Protest Site Location form should be completed for each protest site. A form is attached and will be available for download at: www.nfb.org/fairwages. All completed forms and emailed request should be sent to alewis at nfb.org. Protest signs will be provided when requested. All orders for signs must be submitted by August 20 to ensure they will be received in time for the protest. Remember that only the signs will be provided. Site Coordinator should obtain a four-foot length of 2-inches-wide by 1-inch-thick lumber that will be needed to support each sign. A staple gun should be used to attach the lumber between two signs so that the sign can be read from either side. Informational flyers will be available for download shortly before the protest date from www.nfb.org/fairwages. Each site will have a Media Contact responsible for dealing with inquiries from the local media. Of course, our national staff will be available to assist with this effort. A national press release about the protest will be issued prior to the event, and a template to develop a local press release will be distributed and made available upon request. We will also distribute talking points that can be used by a local spokesperson when interacting with the media. We will be taking our fight for fair wages to the cyber streets as well. We encourage everyone to take advantage of social media to spread the word about the protests. Twitter users should Use the twitter hash tag #fairwages and the Goodwill twitter handle of @goodwillintl to post about local protests, and Facebook users should Post comments to Goodwill's Facebook page at: https://www.facebook.com/GoodwillIntl. Sincerely, Mr. Anil Lewis, M.P.A. Director of Strategic Communications "Eliminating Subminimum Wages for People with Disabilities" http://www.nfb.org/fairwages NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND 200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place Baltimore, Maryland 21230 (410) 659-9314 ext. 2374 (Voice) (410) 685-5653 (FAX) Email: alewis at nfb.org Web: www.nfb.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Goodwill Protest Site Information.docx Type: application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document Size: 15543 bytes Desc: Goodwill Protest Site Information.docx URL: From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Sat Aug 4 01:34:30 2012 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 20:34:30 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] carrying case for the apex Message-ID: <501c7c57.16f4640a.2dd8.278f@mx.google.com> Hi Nabsters, I currently use an Apex QT, and I find that the case it comes with is not very sturdy. I heard that there was another, more durable case available. I have looked on the Humanware website and have not found anything like this. Could you please tell me if there really is another carrying case for the Apex? I would seriously appreciate it. Best wishes, Sophie From joshkart12 at gmail.com Sat Aug 4 03:46:11 2012 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (josh gregory) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 23:46:11 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] carrying case for the apex In-Reply-To: <501c7c57.16f4640a.2dd8.278f@mx.google.com> References: <501c7c57.16f4640a.2dd8.278f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Oh no, hw would never put anything like that on their site, lol. Yeah I think there is one by executive products. A lot more durrable than what I have that came with it, lol. On 8/3/12, Sophie Trist wrote: > Hi Nabsters, > > I currently use an Apex QT, and I find that the case it comes > with is not very sturdy. I heard that there was another, more > durable case available. I have looked on the Humanware website > and have not found anything like this. Could you please tell me > if there really is another carrying case for the Apex? I would > seriously appreciate it. > Best wishes, > Sophie > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com > -- Ways to Connect with me: facebook.com/evercuriousmasteryodo twitter.com/joshg93 Skype: joshgregory93 FaceTime, iMessage and iChat: joshkart12 at gmail.com From joshkart12 at gmail.com Sat Aug 4 03:48:30 2012 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (josh gregory) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 23:48:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] iClicker inaccessibility revisited Message-ID: Hi everyone; For one of my college classes, one of the recommendations is the iClicker. Now I think this was the one a lot of people said was inaccessible. Now, how is it not, and how can I explain it to someone who has no idea of it's non-usability for visually impaired people? Thanks! -- Ways to Connect with me: facebook.com/evercuriousmasteryodo twitter.com/joshg93 Skype: joshgregory93 FaceTime, iMessage and iChat: joshkart12 at gmail.com From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com Sat Aug 4 14:51:16 2012 From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 08:51:16 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] iClicker inaccessibility revisited In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Josh, It's perfectly accessible, if you get someone to help you set it up initially and if you have someone read you the quiz questions in class… It's very easy to tell which button goes with what answer, once you know, so you just have to have someone set up the clicker and make sure either professor or someone sitting next to you redo the quiz questions. That is all. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 3, 2012, at 9:48 PM, josh gregory wrote: > Hi everyone; > > For one of my college classes, one of the recommendations is the > iClicker. Now I think this was the one a lot of people said was > inaccessible. Now, how is it not, and how can I explain it to someone > who has no idea of it's non-usability for visually impaired people? > Thanks! > > -- > Ways to Connect with me: > > facebook.com/evercuriousmasteryodo > > twitter.com/joshg93 > Skype: joshgregory93 > FaceTime, iMessage and iChat: joshkart12 at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com Sat Aug 4 15:31:00 2012 From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 09:31:00 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] carrying case for the apex In-Reply-To: References: <501c7c57.16f4640a.2dd8.278f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Unless it was made by humanware… Or unless they had a contract with a third-party and got part of the profit from it. :-) Sent from my iPhone On Aug 3, 2012, at 9:46 PM, josh gregory wrote: > Oh no, hw would never put anything like that on their site, lol. Yeah > I think there is one by executive products. A lot more durrable than > what I have that came with it, lol. > > On 8/3/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >> Hi Nabsters, >> >> I currently use an Apex QT, and I find that the case it comes >> with is not very sturdy. I heard that there was another, more >> durable case available. I have looked on the Humanware website >> and have not found anything like this. Could you please tell me >> if there really is another carrying case for the Apex? I would >> seriously appreciate it. >> Best wishes, >> Sophie >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Ways to Connect with me: > > facebook.com/evercuriousmasteryodo > > twitter.com/joshg93 > Skype: joshgregory93 > FaceTime, iMessage and iChat: joshkart12 at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com From opensesame at me.com Sat Aug 4 15:51:30 2012 From: opensesame at me.com (Bryan Jones) Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 11:51:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] iClicker inaccessibility revisited In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <892ABDE9-E457-413B-B198-9925A308D391@me.com> This Spring I successfully completed a class where the iClicker was used to take quizzes and to answer random questions and polls taken during class. This was my first experience with a clicker and I was mostly pleased with my experience. I took the following steps to make sure this would work out. As with all of my class preparations I started this process 2 or 3 months prior to the beginning of class. This is just an outline, so please email me if you have more detailed questions. 1. Determine which model iClicker your class is expected to purchase. In my case, the "iClicker 2" was specified in the course requirements. 2. Email your Prof and ask them to provide a list of *exactly* which functions you will be expected to perform in class using the iClicker. Not all models are able to perform all functions. 3. Forward that list to the iClicker customer support email address you will find on the iClicker website and ask them to tell you which iClicker model(s) can perform those functions in a manner that is accessible to you. In my case, I was told the iClicker 2 and the Webclicker iPHone App were not yet accessible to blind Users, but that the original iClicker was accessible and could perform all of the functions required by my Prof.. Note that this took place in late 2011, so the accessibility of their other hardware and software models may have changed by now. 4. Verify and double-check this information with your Prof. 5. Purchase the iClicker. In my case I called my college bookstore and they ordered it and had it in hand a week later. 6. You will need to read or have somebody read a registration number on the back of the iClicker in order to register it online. 7. Meet with your Prof and discuss how best to use the clicker. In my case, the Prof gave a ten question multiple choice quiz via powerpoint slides every few days. I was able to take all of the quizzes right alongside the rest of my class with no special modifications or adjustments aside from having the Prof read the questions and answer choices aloud to the class as they were projected on the overhead screen. Out of eleven quizzes, i think I only needed to ask him to repeat a question two or three times during the semester. HTH, Bryan On Aug 3, 2012, at 11:48 PM, josh gregory wrote: > For one of my college classes, one of the recommendations is the > iClicker. Now I think this was the one a lot of people said was > inaccessible. Now, how is it not, and how can I explain it to someone > who has no idea of it's non-usability for visually impaired people? From trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com Sat Aug 4 15:57:38 2012 From: trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com (Winona) Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 11:57:38 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] iPod Touch Message-ID: <501d4696.0253650a.2bde.65e1@mx.google.com> Hi everyone, My vision teacher is having me do a fun little project. She got me an iPod Touch from some meeting she went too for vision teachers. And she wants me to see how well the iPod Touch will work in an educational setting. But the biggest problem is my school doesn't have Wi-Fi. So because of that, I really wonder if it's gonna even work because most Apps have to have a Wi-Fi connection. ... Any ideas? Thanks, Winona trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com "Your horn is just an amplifier for the music inside you." - Robert W. Smith From ambradner at yahoo.com Sat Aug 4 16:08:34 2012 From: ambradner at yahoo.com (Ashley Bradner) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 12:08:34 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] iPod Touch In-Reply-To: <501d4696.0253650a.2bde.65e1@mx.google.com> References: <501d4696.0253650a.2bde.65e1@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi, You should be able to record notes with voice memos. I use type in Braille application to write down assignments and make small notes in class. Hope this helps. Best, Ashley On Aug 4, 2012, at 11:57 AM, Winona wrote: > Hi everyone, > > My vision teacher is having me do a fun little project. She got me an iPod Touch from some meeting she went too for vision teachers. And she wants me to see how well the iPod Touch will work in an educational setting. But the biggest problem is my school doesn't have Wi-Fi. So because of that, I really wonder if it's gonna even work because most Apps have to have a Wi-Fi connection. ... Any ideas? > Thanks, > > Winona > > trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com > > "Your horn is just an amplifier for the music inside you." - Robert W. Smith > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ambradner%40yahoo.com From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Sat Aug 4 18:38:18 2012 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Baccchus) Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 14:38:18 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing Myself Message-ID: <501d6c21.a14dec0a.6450.ffff821e@mx.google.com> This message is for those of you who are knew to the list. Hello my name is Roanna Bacchus. I live with my family in Orlando, Florida. I am a visually impaired college stunent who is twenty-two years old. My outside interests are reading singing and listening to music. From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Sat Aug 4 19:06:53 2012 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Baccchus) Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 15:06:53 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Registering With Career Connect Message-ID: <501d72d4.1685650a.7166.4d46@mx.google.com> I am trying to register with Afb's Career Connect web site. When I click the link its telling me the server cannot be found. Can anyone please email me the link to register? From mysticalcharm at comcast.net Sat Aug 4 21:17:56 2012 From: mysticalcharm at comcast.net (Melissa Hambleton) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 17:17:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] questions and assistance needed for starting onlinecollege References: <015901cd70fb$be9fd360$6402a8c0@bfa617c5f939410> Message-ID: <00b001cd7286$9e2dacb0$6402a8c0@bfa617c5f939410> Thank you Arielle for the information. I will check into the scholarships for both national and in VA. I had looked over the archives for the VABS list but, there isn't really any conversations that take place, only announcements so, I'll probably just stick with this list. It is good to know that there have been scholarships awarded to students that had taken courses online because that was a concern of mine. Melissa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] questions and assistance needed for starting onlinecollege > Hi Melissa, > Welcome to the list. You are definitely welcome to join the VABS email > list, but this one will give you a lot more responses. I would suggest > you apply for the National Federation of the Blind's scholarship > program this winter. They award 30 scholarships each year to blind > students across the country ranging from $3000 to $12000. They have > given scholarships to online students in the past. You can learn about > their program by going to > www.nfb.org/scholarships > Also, the NFB of Virginia should have a similar scholarship program > that will be less competitive than the national program. > The Lions Club might also be able to help. > I'm sorry I don't know the answers to your questions about tactile > materials. You may want to try to find out exactly what courses you > will be required to take in order to figure out what kinds of tactile > materials you might benefit from. Others on this list may also be able > to share their experiences with massage therapy and other such fields > of study. > Best of luck, > Arielle > > On 8/2/12, Mystical Charm wrote: >> I have copied and pasted below an email that I sent to the VABS (Virginia >> Association of Blind Students) moderator but, I have not received any >> response so, I am writing here in hopes I can receive some assistance of >> some kind so that I can begin my studies. >> >> ------------------------- >> >> Greetings to you Angie Matney, >> >> I wanted to write you in hopes that you may be of some assistance to me. >> I >> was unsure if I would correctly qualify to join the list or not for the >> Virginia Association of Blind Students or not so, I wanted to write you >> directly and find out if you can give me any information or a direction >> to >> go. >> >> Now to tell you a little bit about me and my situation. >> >> My name is Melissa, I am 32 years old and I am blind; I was born with a >> visual impairment, Glaucoma. Over the years I did have the normal >> treatments; the usage of multiple eye drops and in hospital surgery as >> well >> as laser surgery but, none of these were effective so, my vision declined >> over time and I am left with no usable vision. >> >> I truly believe I belong in the health field however, the particular area >> in >> health is viewed by some as absurd, while others try out different >> methods >> and can take it or leave it and others still like having the option to >> incorporate in methods in their life's and others truly believe in the >> benefits. What I am talking about is natural medicine. This covers >> complementary methods as well as alternative therapies. It includes >> anything >> from holistic dentistry and Chiropractics to Acupuncture to Homeopathy >> and >> Massage therapy and goes into the subjects of Vitamins and Minerals and >> exercise/fitness to energy work and meditation and so many more other >> topics. >> >> The average university/College may only have a course or two in a subject >> named above or something similar if they offer them at all. The only >> colleges that I know of that deal specifically with these subjects are >> Naturopathy Colleges and there are only perhaps 3-5 of them in the United >> States. I don't desire to move to one of these states in which one of >> these >> Naturopathy Colleges are located, the only alternative I have is >> searching >> the internet for legitimate schools online so that I can do the >> schoolwork >> from home. I have found a couple of Colleges that are of interest to me >> with >> what they offer and I have checked to see if their accreditation is >> legitimate or not and they do seem to be so. >> >> I do know that being a doctor is possible for a person who is blind; I >> once >> went to a lecture/discussion at my local hospital and the man that was >> speaking had been a doctor for a number of years and he was blind. At the >> time, I wasn't interested in being in the health field, I was a young >> teenager and was still trying to have fun and be me. Later, as I explored >> the internet and searched for doctors, I found these articles: >> >> blind doctor sees patients in a different way >> >> http://nfb.org/legacy/bm/bm01/bm0105/bm010514.htm >> >> blind medical student earns his me.d. >> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7318398/ns/health-health_care/ >> >> This next article is about a woman who went to one of the Naturopathy >> schools I had briefly mentioned above: >> >> PAC Mate User Story: Chris Cooke, Medical Student >> http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_products/PAC_Mate_HQ_ChrisCooke.asp >> >> This woman does have her own practice, which I hope to have one day, and >> she >> also does have a website: >> >> http://www.healing4you.net/ >> >> I believe that Holistic Practitioner is what I am aiming for because >> again, >> the Naturopathic Colleges are just not possible for me to attend. I would >> eventually do what others would need to do by becoming board certified >> and >> then having a license to practice. >> >> One of the biggest challenges is the tuition for these programs/courses >> online and I am not sure how to go about finding out if there may be any >> possible scholarships I could apply for or not. Both of the Colleges that >> I >> would like to study from does not participate in any federal or state >> financial aid programs at this time, therefore, no federal grants are >> applicable (including Stafford and Pell). I would like to mention here >> some >> of the possibilities that the Admissions had told me about from one of >> the >> Colleges-- >> >> -I was told that a private loan or alternative loan is possible, most big >> lenders (e.g. SunTrust, Wells Fargo, Citibank) will offer such options. >> However, I would like to stay away from loans if possible. >> >> -Other suggestions that were mentioned to me either do not apply or that >> are >> not possible for me. One of the Colleges does have a scholarship >> available >> to students however, with the requirements to be able to apply, I do not >> qualify. Also, an employer tuition grant does not apply to me. >> >> -Local Community Service Organizations such as Masonic Organizations, >> >> Eastern Star(OES), Moose and Elks Lodges, or Chambers of Commerce may >> provide grants. >> >> >> >> I was possibly thinking about contacting one of these but, didn't know >> how >> successful I would be. What came to mind was the Lions Club since they >> assist with people who are blind. I am not sure if they would have a >> grant/scholarship or what they may be able to provide. I did notice in >> the >> list of mailing lists the NFB has available to the public is the NFB >> Lions >> so, I would like to know if you recommend me writing to that list and >> providing this same information that I am sending to you? >> >> >> >> -Another suggestion that was mentioned was >> >> Vocational Rehabilitation Programs >> >> for assistance. What came to mind was the Virginia Department for the >> Blind >> and Visually Impaired. I know I would need to deal with the one located >> in >> Fairfax since that is the closest to me and I have also dealt with them >> in >> the past. I am apprehensive about contacting the Virginia Department for >> the >> Blind and Visually Impaired because my experiences with them in the past >> were quite unpleasant and some were even unprofessional. I don't know if >> the >> Virginia Department of the Blind and Visually Impaired can be of help in >> assisting with expenses or what they may be able to do in my situation >> or >> if it would be willing to assist me in making my desire to help others >> come >> true. >> >> >> >> -Other suggestions were for women who have been harmed violently and >> again, >> this does not apply to me. >> >> >> >> I am willing to do what is required to earn a scholarship of some kind so >> that I may be able to proceed with taking these programs/courses if a >> scholarship's requirements apply to me. >> >> >> >> The only other thing that concerns me is, when I am enrolled into certain >> programs/courses, how to have certain materials more accessible or even >> in >> an alternative method like having something tactile. The doctors who are >> blind have had to have alternative and/or tactile materials of some kind. >> Whether in the Allopathic field or the Holistic field of health care, you >> need to study Anatomy/Physiology and reading the text book is good and >> all >> but, having something tactile to possibly go over the different areas of >> the >> body would be wonderful and also knowing where to get something like this >> is >> a question of mine as well that I need some assistance with how to find. >> In >> Holistic health care, you also have to identify the different types of >> herbs >> and the woman I had mentioned above, would have had to do so when she was >> going through her schooling and I would like to find out ways to be able >> to >> do this. I don't know if she had sighted assistance and someone did a >> very >> thorough job of explaining the look while she may have had the chance to >> examine the herbs tactily or not. >> >> >> >> So, what i would like to know is: >> >> >> >> -if the Virginia Association of Blind Students mailing list would apply >> to >> me or be of benefit. >> >> -if you have any suggestions of other lists or people I can contact to >> find >> out more about how to proceed with scholarships or finding out about >> certain >> alternative materials I will need and where to locate it so that I can >> have >> them as I move through the programs/courses. >> >> -If the Lions Club would be of help. >> >> -any other suggestions you may have for me. >> >> >> >> Thank you for your time and any help would be appreciated. Helping others >> in >> a more natural, holistic way has been a passion of mine for quite some >> time >> but, I really never knew where to begin and the more I looked into it, >> the >> more questions I had about beginning the process because of the finances >> as >> well as the materials I may need because of my disability. >> >> >> >> Thank you, >> >> Melissa Hambleton >> >> mysticalcharm at comcast.net >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mysticalcharm%40comcast.net > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5172 - Release Date: 08/02/12 > From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Sat Aug 4 21:20:50 2012 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 16:20:50 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] iPod Touch Message-ID: <501d9265.056f650a.0407.3fe2@mx.google.com> Don't IOS devices use 4G connections for most things? ----- Original Message ----- From: Winona References: <501d6c21.a14dec0a.6450.ffff821e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I am in a dance class 4 people with disabilities. I am vissually impaired and autistic. I love 2 sing dance and write. On Aug 4, 2012 2:55 PM, "Roanna Baccchus" wrote: > This message is for those of you who are knew to the list. Hello my name > is Roanna Bacchus. I live with my family in Orlando, Florida. I am a > visually impaired college stunent who is twenty-two years old. My outside > interests are reading singing and listening to music. > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > hotdancer1416%40gmail.com > From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Sat Aug 4 21:29:16 2012 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 14:29:16 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] iPod Touch In-Reply-To: <501d9265.056f650a.0407.3fe2@mx.google.com> References: <501d9265.056f650a.0407.3fe2@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <014301cd7288$342f3480$9c8d9d80$@gmail.com> IPhones do, and perhaps iPad, but not iPod touches. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sophie Trist Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 2:21 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iPod Touch Don't IOS devices use 4G connections for most things? ----- Original Message ----- From: Winona <75B160561A694FC9B4673D69435FF562@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <00c201cd728a$f3670240$6402a8c0@bfa617c5f939410> I'll be looking into how the Lions Club may be able to assist me, if at all plus, looking into the NFB scholarship. I'm not depending on the Virginia Department for the Blind too much; I'd like to see how far I can push it with them because with all the negative results or lack there of, I believe I deserve a little something for all the trouble they have caused me. I'm speaking of my own personal experience and if anyone else has had success with the Virginia Department of the Blind then, I'm glad you had a nice experience rather than the ones I have had in the past. Quite a number of years ago I initially desired to be a massage therapist (didn't know all about the complete field of holistic health back then) and there was a massage school in my city. I had ran into problems with the supervisor at the Virginia Department of the Blind at the time, which I will not go into here, and I had a technology assessment (if that is the correct name for it) to see what equipment I may need. The rehab counselor I had at the time talked to me on the phone and would not discuss the results of my assessment and told me that I needed to get a job and stop wasting tax payers money (I was, and still am, on SSI.) I had told the rehab counselor that I would be getting a job after I would complete my schooling with the massage therapy school and going to massage therapy school was going to lead me into the workfield; she didn't want to hear it and still went on about telling me to get a job. The conversation went extremely bad from there. What is incredible is that just a couple of years ago, when the Virginia Department of the Blind had a new supervisor, I had met a man who lives only a street or two away from me, who is blind and the Virginia Department for the Blind assisted this man with his schooling into massage therapy school. The massage therapy school I wanted to attend several years ago closed up more than 4-5 years ago and I wasn't sure how I would pursue this. I had found out from the man who lives near me that the one he attended was around an hour and a half away but, I had recently learned that this massage therapy school has closed now. So, the closest one now would be just too far away to travel to each day. Melissa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] questions and assistance needed for starting onlinecollege > Dear Melissa, > I agree completely regarding the Virginia department for the blind and > especially the staff in the Fairfax office. No, I would not count on them > assisting you in paying for an online school since it is not traditional. > They will not believe you can do it. More importantly, they only pay the > tuition of the highest Virginia school. So, you would not get full funding > anyway. > BTW, you do not have to be in VABS to be a member of the vabs list, but it > is never active and may as well not exist. I've not gotten a message in > forever and I did not participate in vabs because I felt that it was > inactive and the students were not as inclusive as they could have been. > You can feel free to try vabs yourself though. I think Brilley Pollard is > the current president, but it did not work for me. > I got support from this list and went about it on my own during college. > At my first college, they had other blind students, but since it was so > big, it really didn't matter. When I transferred to a private school, I > was the only blind student there. > > I did not ask the rehab department to pay for my schooling. > If you do try it, be aware of the rules about it. > > Regarding other financial sources, I'd also suggest lions club. Try for > the NFB scholarship too. > If its expensive, you may have a hard time paying without family support. > You could try a general loan from > Citibank; this may offer you the best solution as a scholarship from a > charity will not even cover a semester. If its as expensive as a private > school, you are looking at 20 thousand a year. > > Its an interesting field, one of which I don't think blind people have > tried. Good luck. > Ashley > -----Original Message----- > From: Mystical Charm > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 6:11 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] questions and assistance needed for starting online > college > > I have copied and pasted below an email that I sent to the VABS (Virginia > Association of Blind Students) moderator but, I have not received any > response so, I am writing here in hopes I can receive some assistance of > some kind so that I can begin my studies. > > ------------------------- > > Greetings to you Angie Matney, > > I wanted to write you in hopes that you may be of some assistance to me. I > was unsure if I would correctly qualify to join the list or not for the > Virginia Association of Blind Students or not so, I wanted to write you > directly and find out if you can give me any information or a direction to > go. > > Now to tell you a little bit about me and my situation. > > My name is Melissa, I am 32 years old and I am blind; I was born with a > visual impairment, Glaucoma. Over the years I did have the normal > treatments; the usage of multiple eye drops and in hospital surgery as > well as laser surgery but, none of these were effective so, my vision > declined over time and I am left with no usable vision. > > I truly believe I belong in the health field however, the particular area > in health is viewed by some as absurd, while others try out different > methods and can take it or leave it and others still like having the > option to incorporate in methods in their life's and others truly believe > in the benefits. What I am talking about is natural medicine. This covers > complementary methods as well as alternative therapies. It includes > anything from holistic dentistry and Chiropractics to Acupuncture to > Homeopathy and Massage therapy and goes into the subjects of Vitamins and > Minerals and exercise/fitness to energy work and meditation and so many > more other topics. > > The average university/College may only have a course or two in a subject > named above or something similar if they offer them at all. The only > colleges that I know of that deal specifically with these subjects are > Naturopathy Colleges and there are only perhaps 3-5 of them in the United > States. I don't desire to move to one of these states in which one of > these Naturopathy Colleges are located, the only alternative I have is > searching the internet for legitimate schools online so that I can do the > schoolwork from home. I have found a couple of Colleges that are of > interest to me with what they offer and I have checked to see if their > accreditation is legitimate or not and they do seem to be so. > > I do know that being a doctor is possible for a person who is blind; I > once went to a lecture/discussion at my local hospital and the man that > was speaking had been a doctor for a number of years and he was blind. At > the time, I wasn't interested in being in the health field, I was a young > teenager and was still trying to have fun and be me. Later, as I explored > the internet and searched for doctors, I found these articles: > > blind doctor sees patients in a different way > > http://nfb.org/legacy/bm/bm01/bm0105/bm010514.htm > > blind medical student earns his me.d. > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7318398/ns/health-health_care/ > > This next article is about a woman who went to one of the Naturopathy > schools I had briefly mentioned above: > > PAC Mate User Story: Chris Cooke, Medical Student > http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_products/PAC_Mate_HQ_ChrisCooke.asp > > This woman does have her own practice, which I hope to have one day, and > she also does have a website: > > http://www.healing4you.net/ > > I believe that Holistic Practitioner is what I am aiming for because > again, the Naturopathic Colleges are just not possible for me to attend. I > would eventually do what others would need to do by becoming board > certified and then having a license to practice. > > One of the biggest challenges is the tuition for these programs/courses > online and I am not sure how to go about finding out if there may be any > possible scholarships I could apply for or not. Both of the Colleges that > I would like to study from does not participate in any federal or state > financial aid programs at this time, therefore, no federal grants are > applicable (including Stafford and Pell). I would like to mention here > some of the possibilities that the Admissions had told me about from one > of the Colleges-- > > -I was told that a private loan or alternative loan is possible, most big > lenders (e.g. SunTrust, Wells Fargo, Citibank) will offer such options. > However, I would like to stay away from loans if possible. > > -Other suggestions that were mentioned to me either do not apply or that > are not possible for me. One of the Colleges does have a scholarship > available to students however, with the requirements to be able to apply, > I do not qualify. Also, an employer tuition grant does not apply to me. > > -Local Community Service Organizations such as Masonic Organizations, > > Eastern Star(OES), Moose and Elks Lodges, or Chambers of Commerce may > provide grants. > > > > I was possibly thinking about contacting one of these but, didn't know how > successful I would be. What came to mind was the Lions Club since they > assist with people who are blind. I am not sure if they would have a > grant/scholarship or what they may be able to provide. I did notice in the > list of mailing lists the NFB has available to the public is the NFB Lions > so, I would like to know if you recommend me writing to that list and > providing this same information that I am sending to you? > > > > -Another suggestion that was mentioned was > > Vocational Rehabilitation Programs > > for assistance. What came to mind was the Virginia Department for the > Blind and Visually Impaired. I know I would need to deal with the one > located in Fairfax since that is the closest to me and I have also dealt > with them in the past. I am apprehensive about contacting the Virginia > Department for the Blind and Visually Impaired because my experiences with > them in the past were quite unpleasant and some were even unprofessional. > I don't know if the Virginia Department of the Blind and Visually Impaired > can be of help in assisting with expenses or what they may be able to do > in my situation or if it would be willing to assist me in making my desire > to help others come true. > > > > -Other suggestions were for women who have been harmed violently and > again, this does not apply to me. > > > > I am willing to do what is required to earn a scholarship of some kind so > that I may be able to proceed with taking these programs/courses if a > scholarship's requirements apply to me. > > > > The only other thing that concerns me is, when I am enrolled into certain > programs/courses, how to have certain materials more accessible or even in > an alternative method like having something tactile. The doctors who are > blind have had to have alternative and/or tactile materials of some kind. > Whether in the Allopathic field or the Holistic field of health care, you > need to study Anatomy/Physiology and reading the text book is good and all > but, having something tactile to possibly go over the different areas of > the body would be wonderful and also knowing where to get something like > this is a question of mine as well that I need some assistance with how to > find. In Holistic health care, you also have to identify the different > types of herbs and the woman I had mentioned above, would have had to do > so when she was going through her schooling and I would like to find out > ways to be able to do this. I don't know if she had sighted assistance and > someone did a very thorough job of explaining the look while she may have > had the chance to examine the herbs tactily or not. > > > > So, what i would like to know is: > > > > -if the Virginia Association of Blind Students mailing list would apply to > me or be of benefit. > > -if you have any suggestions of other lists or people I can contact to > find out more about how to proceed with scholarships or finding out about > certain alternative materials I will need and where to locate it so that I > can have them as I move through the programs/courses. > > -If the Lions Club would be of help. > > -any other suggestions you may have for me. > > > > Thank you for your time and any help would be appreciated. Helping others > in a more natural, holistic way has been a passion of mine for quite some > time but, I really never knew where to begin and the more I looked into > it, the more questions I had about beginning the process because of the > finances as well as the materials I may need because of my disability. > > > > Thank you, > > Melissa Hambleton > > mysticalcharm at comcast.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mysticalcharm%40comcast.net > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5172 - Release Date: 08/02/12 > From mysticalcharm at comcast.net Sat Aug 4 21:57:08 2012 From: mysticalcharm at comcast.net (Melissa Hambleton) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 17:57:08 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] questions and assistance needed for starting onlinecollege References: <015901cd70fb$be9fd360$6402a8c0@bfa617c5f939410> <880608315D804DCBBFE313C396367C8D@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <00ce01cd728c$191cfb10$6402a8c0@bfa617c5f939410> Ashley, thank you for the information. Unfortunately, I'm not located in Fairfax, I live in Winchester and the Virginia Department for the Blind in Fairfax is the one I have to deal with, if I deal with them at all. Though, I will try and put some of the suggestions to use in my own area by going to a nursery or going to Shenandoah University to see if I can locate someone who is willing to be a reader/tutor to assist me. The two big subjects Shenandoah deals with is music and nursing/pharmacy students. I will contact the local parks and see if they can be of any assistance to me as well. Melissa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] questions and assistance needed for starting onlinecollege > Melissa, > You may be in my area if you potentially deal with the fairfax regional > office of DBVI. > You might investigate getting readers or tutors from nearby colleges such > as George Mason; tutors who took nursing or biology may help. > About the accessibility, this is where IMO a face to face class comes in > handy. In class, you can ask questions of the professor and go to office > hours. > You have labs too and you would get a description of the specimens and > whatever they see from lab partners. > > Online would present more challenges. I think you might want to have a > reader describe the pictures in the books and help you make tactile > models; this can be done with wiki sticks, graphic art tape, or there are > drawing kits from APH. > > If you can afford it, getting the atonomy book from APH may help; I think > its like $120. However, these pictures of the body systems are geared > towared general science and you may need more detail. They do have every > system of the body though. > As for herbs, ideally getting a tutor to show you may help; not sure if > you could get a tutor in your area in that subject. > Other ideas were community resources: > - going to a nursery and asking to examine them. > - finding a neighbor who grows them. > - talking to someone in the fairfax park authority. I know they are > knowledgeable about various plants and might be able to show you the herbs > you need. I'm thinking a naturalist may help. They have many nature > centers as part of fairfax park authority such as Hidden oaks and Great > Falls Riverbend park and nature center. > - there are many hiking trails in the county. Maybe such herbs are along > these trails. I think tactile exploration is a great idea. > > - Frying Pan park might be a resource. It’s a great place to meet animals > and all can touch them; so maybe they have herbs and other plants too. > - a library might have books on these topics. > > I hope you get into the school. Good luck. > Ashley > -----Original Message----- > From: Mystical Charm > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 6:11 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] questions and assistance needed for starting online > college > > I have copied and pasted below an email that I sent to the VABS (Virginia > Association of Blind Students) moderator but, I have not received any > response so, I am writing here in hopes I can receive some assistance of > some kind so that I can begin my studies. > > ------------------------- > > Greetings to you Angie Matney, > > I wanted to write you in hopes that you may be of some assistance to me. I > was unsure if I would correctly qualify to join the list or not for the > Virginia Association of Blind Students or not so, I wanted to write you > directly and find out if you can give me any information or a direction to > go. > > Now to tell you a little bit about me and my situation. > > My name is Melissa, I am 32 years old and I am blind; I was born with a > visual impairment, Glaucoma. Over the years I did have the normal > treatments; the usage of multiple eye drops and in hospital surgery as > well as laser surgery but, none of these were effective so, my vision > declined over time and I am left with no usable vision. > > I truly believe I belong in the health field however, the particular area > in health is viewed by some as absurd, while others try out different > methods and can take it or leave it and others still like having the > option to incorporate in methods in their life's and others truly believe > in the benefits. What I am talking about is natural medicine. This covers > complementary methods as well as alternative therapies. It includes > anything from holistic dentistry and Chiropractics to Acupuncture to > Homeopathy and Massage therapy and goes into the subjects of Vitamins and > Minerals and exercise/fitness to energy work and meditation and so many > more other topics. > > The average university/College may only have a course or two in a subject > named above or something similar if they offer them at all. The only > colleges that I know of that deal specifically with these subjects are > Naturopathy Colleges and there are only perhaps 3-5 of them in the United > States. I don't desire to move to one of these states in which one of > these Naturopathy Colleges are located, the only alternative I have is > searching the internet for legitimate schools online so that I can do the > schoolwork from home. I have found a couple of Colleges that are of > interest to me with what they offer and I have checked to see if their > accreditation is legitimate or not and they do seem to be so. > > I do know that being a doctor is possible for a person who is blind; I > once went to a lecture/discussion at my local hospital and the man that > was speaking had been a doctor for a number of years and he was blind. At > the time, I wasn't interested in being in the health field, I was a young > teenager and was still trying to have fun and be me. Later, as I explored > the internet and searched for doctors, I found these articles: > > blind doctor sees patients in a different way > > http://nfb.org/legacy/bm/bm01/bm0105/bm010514.htm > > blind medical student earns his me.d. > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7318398/ns/health-health_care/ > > This next article is about a woman who went to one of the Naturopathy > schools I had briefly mentioned above: > > PAC Mate User Story: Chris Cooke, Medical Student > http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_products/PAC_Mate_HQ_ChrisCooke.asp > > This woman does have her own practice, which I hope to have one day, and > she also does have a website: > > http://www.healing4you.net/ > > I believe that Holistic Practitioner is what I am aiming for because > again, the Naturopathic Colleges are just not possible for me to attend. I > would eventually do what others would need to do by becoming board > certified and then having a license to practice. > > One of the biggest challenges is the tuition for these programs/courses > online and I am not sure how to go about finding out if there may be any > possible scholarships I could apply for or not. Both of the Colleges that > I would like to study from does not participate in any federal or state > financial aid programs at this time, therefore, no federal grants are > applicable (including Stafford and Pell). I would like to mention here > some of the possibilities that the Admissions had told me about from one > of the Colleges-- > > -I was told that a private loan or alternative loan is possible, most big > lenders (e.g. SunTrust, Wells Fargo, Citibank) will offer such options. > However, I would like to stay away from loans if possible. > > -Other suggestions that were mentioned to me either do not apply or that > are not possible for me. One of the Colleges does have a scholarship > available to students however, with the requirements to be able to apply, > I do not qualify. Also, an employer tuition grant does not apply to me. > > -Local Community Service Organizations such as Masonic Organizations, > > Eastern Star(OES), Moose and Elks Lodges, or Chambers of Commerce may > provide grants. > > > > I was possibly thinking about contacting one of these but, didn't know how > successful I would be. What came to mind was the Lions Club since they > assist with people who are blind. I am not sure if they would have a > grant/scholarship or what they may be able to provide. I did notice in the > list of mailing lists the NFB has available to the public is the NFB Lions > so, I would like to know if you recommend me writing to that list and > providing this same information that I am sending to you? > > > > -Another suggestion that was mentioned was > > Vocational Rehabilitation Programs > > for assistance. What came to mind was the Virginia Department for the > Blind and Visually Impaired. I know I would need to deal with the one > located in Fairfax since that is the closest to me and I have also dealt > with them in the past. I am apprehensive about contacting the Virginia > Department for the Blind and Visually Impaired because my experiences with > them in the past were quite unpleasant and some were even unprofessional. > I don't know if the Virginia Department of the Blind and Visually Impaired > can be of help in assisting with expenses or what they may be able to do > in my situation or if it would be willing to assist me in making my desire > to help others come true. > > > > -Other suggestions were for women who have been harmed violently and > again, this does not apply to me. > > > > I am willing to do what is required to earn a scholarship of some kind so > that I may be able to proceed with taking these programs/courses if a > scholarship's requirements apply to me. > > > > The only other thing that concerns me is, when I am enrolled into certain > programs/courses, how to have certain materials more accessible or even in > an alternative method like having something tactile. The doctors who are > blind have had to have alternative and/or tactile materials of some kind. > Whether in the Allopathic field or the Holistic field of health care, you > need to study Anatomy/Physiology and reading the text book is good and all > but, having something tactile to possibly go over the different areas of > the body would be wonderful and also knowing where to get something like > this is a question of mine as well that I need some assistance with how to > find. In Holistic health care, you also have to identify the different > types of herbs and the woman I had mentioned above, would have had to do > so when she was going through her schooling and I would like to find out > ways to be able to do this. I don't know if she had sighted assistance and > someone did a very thorough job of explaining the look while she may have > had the chance to examine the herbs tactily or not. > > > > So, what i would like to know is: > > > > -if the Virginia Association of Blind Students mailing list would apply to > me or be of benefit. > > -if you have any suggestions of other lists or people I can contact to > find out more about how to proceed with scholarships or finding out about > certain alternative materials I will need and where to locate it so that I > can have them as I move through the programs/courses. > > -If the Lions Club would be of help. > > -any other suggestions you may have for me. > > > > Thank you for your time and any help would be appreciated. Helping others > in a more natural, holistic way has been a passion of mine for quite some > time but, I really never knew where to begin and the more I looked into > it, the more questions I had about beginning the process because of the > finances as well as the materials I may need because of my disability. > > > > Thank you, > > Melissa Hambleton > > mysticalcharm at comcast.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mysticalcharm%40comcast.net > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5172 - Release Date: 08/02/12 > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Aug 4 17:56:58 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 12:56:58 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Information about Italian In-Reply-To: <7437CFCF425B49BFAADCB37C12097B02@BrandonsLaptop2> References: <7437CFCF425B49BFAADCB37C12097B02@BrandonsLaptop2> Message-ID: <02A4B3DC-995B-4EB2-95FD-61C43EFDCC45@gmail.com> Although I've never personally taken Italian, I have taken Spanish, and found, as Brandon did, that everything except for the symbols for accented letters is in grade 1. Minh, if you have a notetaker, you can also enable the Italian language on it and your notetaker will show all accent symbols for Italian on the Braille display and everything else in grade 1 Braille. Chris Nusbaum, proud graduate of the Louisiana Center for the Blind Buddy Program Sent from my iPod On Aug 3, 2012, at 10:21 AM, "Brandon Keith Biggs" wrote: > Hello, > When I took Italian I just used Jaws with the Italian voice. > There are symbols for I grave and what not, but I'm not very good at them. There is a website that talks about them somewhere, but I'm not sure what it is. > But other than that, everything is in grade 1. > Thanks, > > Brandon Keith Biggs > -----Original Message----- From: minh ha > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 6:38 AM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Information about Italian > > Hi all, > > I am going to be taking an Elementary Italian course in the fall and > was wondering if you guys have any experience with Italian braille. > I'm super excited to learn Italian but not quite sure how I might > tackle this in college. In high school, I took Spanish and always have > braille books, but obtaining a copy in braille for Italian might be > challenging. I am going to be using a braille note however so any > information on this would be most appreciated > > Thank you for your assistance > Minh > > -- > "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty > recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: > but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on > their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Sat Aug 4 22:03:28 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonnya Gardner) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 18:03:28 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] iPod Touch In-Reply-To: <014301cd7288$342f3480$9c8d9d80$@gmail.com> References: <501d9265.056f650a.0407.3fe2@mx.google.com> <014301cd7288$342f3480$9c8d9d80$@gmail.com> Message-ID: So how does the I pod touch work, as far as y fye? On Aug 4, 2012 5:32 PM, "Humberto Avila" wrote: > IPhones do, and perhaps iPad, but not iPod touches. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Sophie Trist > Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 2:21 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iPod Touch > > Don't IOS devices use 4G connections for most things? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Winona To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date sent: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 11:57:38 -0400 > Subject: [nabs-l] iPod Touch > > Hi everyone, > > My vision teacher is having me do a fun little project. She got > me an iPod Touch from some meeting she went too for vision > teachers. And she wants me to see how well the iPod Touch will > work in an educational setting. But the biggest problem is my > school doesn't have Wi-Fi. So because of that, I really wonder > if it's gonna even work because most Apps have to have a Wi-Fi > connection. ... Any ideas? > Thanks, > > Winona > > trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com > > "Your horn is just an amplifier for the music inside you." - > Robert W. Smith > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com > From mysticalcharm at comcast.net Sat Aug 4 22:10:57 2012 From: mysticalcharm at comcast.net (Melissa Hambleton) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 18:10:57 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] questions and assistance needed forstartingonlinecollege References: <015901cd70fb$be9fd360$6402a8c0@bfa617c5f939410><03576150E3DA4360B5C90D05AC5A0AA7@userPC> Message-ID: <00dc01cd728e$06231f60$6402a8c0@bfa617c5f939410> Rania, thank you for the site and I will check it out to see what I can purchase. I still desire to be a Holistic Practitioner but, I will also would like to be certified in some specific fields so I can work more closely with a client and help them further and massage therapist may be something I will do in the future but, as I had mentioned in a message just before this one, the massage therapy schools in my area are all closed now and it is just too far to travel each day for the closest one to me so, we will see what the future holds for me. However, if I do have specific questions about massage therapy I will contact you off list as you requested. Melissa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rania Ismail CMT" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] questions and assistance needed forstartingonlinecollege > Yes if she goes for massage therapy it would be in her best interest to go > to a school so she can get the hands on experience needed in order for a > blind person to really understand ware the bones and muscles are on the > body > because as a massage therapist I work on the muscles but the bones serve > as > landmarks for the muscles. > I have a Tiny Tim skeleton. I got it and used it when I was learning the > bones. It helped me because I was able to use it to practice finding the > bones when I didn't have an actual person to practice on. I got the > skeleton > from www.anatomywarehouse.com > Rania, > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Ashley Bramlett > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 9:03 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] questions and assistance needed for > startingonlinecollege > > Rania, > How nice of you to add advice. You had access to skeletons and other > models > because you were on campus. Maybe Melissa will > be able to find a campus to go to as I think that would offer benefits an > online school does not. Some schools have satelite campuses, especially i > f > you reside in the northern Virginia or DC area. > > If you go the online route, you could probably access such models and > skeletons at a university orcommunity college. A blind friend of mine took > biology at the Annandale community college campus, Nova. She got to > tactially explore many models there. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rania Ismail CMT > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 6:40 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] questions and assistance needed for starting > onlinecollege > > Hi Welcome to the list. > My name is Rania and I am a Certified massage therapist in the state of > New > Jersey. I had to take anatomy and physiology. I used play doe so I could > get > a better understand of some things. > When it came to learning the bones and muscles we the class and I touched > a > skeleton and found the bones and muscles on our selvs and each other. > Feel free to email me off list with more questions about massage therapy. > I also serve as a mentor for students who are in school for massage and > those who are interested in the field. I have had quite a few mentee's > graduate as well! > My email address is raniaismail04 at gmail.com > I look forward to answering any questions you have. > Rania, > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Mystical Charm > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 7:11 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] questions and assistance needed for starting online > college > > I have copied and pasted below an email that I sent to the VABS (Virginia > Association of Blind Students) moderator but, I have not received any > response so, I am writing here in hopes I can receive some assistance of > some kind so that I can begin my studies. > > ------------------------- > > Greetings to you Angie Matney, > > I wanted to write you in hopes that you may be of some assistance to me. I > was unsure if I would correctly qualify to join the list or not for the > Virginia Association of Blind Students or not so, I wanted to write you > directly and find out if you can give me any information or a direction to > go. > > Now to tell you a little bit about me and my situation. > > My name is Melissa, I am 32 years old and I am blind; I was born with a > visual impairment, Glaucoma. Over the years I did have the normal > treatments; the usage of multiple eye drops and in hospital surgery as > well > as laser surgery but, none of these were effective so, my vision declined > over time and I am left with no usable vision. > > I truly believe I belong in the health field however, the particular area > in > health is viewed by some as absurd, while others try out different methods > and can take it or leave it and others still like having the option to > incorporate in methods in their life's and others truly believe in the > benefits. What I am talking about is natural medicine. This covers > complementary methods as well as alternative therapies. It includes > anything > from holistic dentistry and Chiropractics to Acupuncture to Homeopathy and > Massage therapy and goes into the subjects of Vitamins and Minerals and > exercise/fitness to energy work and meditation and so many more other > topics. > > The average university/College may only have a course or two in a subject > named above or something similar if they offer them at all. The only > colleges that I know of that deal specifically with these subjects are > Naturopathy Colleges and there are only perhaps 3-5 of them in the United > States. I don't desire to move to one of these states in which one of > these > Naturopathy Colleges are located, the only alternative I have is searching > the internet for legitimate schools online so that I can do the schoolwork > from home. I have found a couple of Colleges that are of interest to me > with > what they offer and I have checked to see if their accreditation is > legitimate or not and they do seem to be so. > > I do know that being a doctor is possible for a person who is blind; I > once > went to a lecture/discussion at my local hospital and the man that was > speaking had been a doctor for a number of years and he was blind. At the > time, I wasn't interested in being in the health field, I was a young > teenager and was still trying to have fun and be me. Later, as I explored > the internet and searched for doctors, I found these articles: > > blind doctor sees patients in a different way > > http://nfb.org/legacy/bm/bm01/bm0105/bm010514.htm > > blind medical student earns his me.d. > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7318398/ns/health-health_care/ > > This next article is about a woman who went to one of the Naturopathy > schools I had briefly mentioned above: > > PAC Mate User Story: Chris Cooke, Medical Student > http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_products/PAC_Mate_HQ_ChrisCooke.asp > > This woman does have her own practice, which I hope to have one day, and > she > also does have a website: > > http://www.healing4you.net/ > > I believe that Holistic Practitioner is what I am aiming for because > again, > the Naturopathic Colleges are just not possible for me to attend. I would > eventually do what others would need to do by becoming board certified and > then having a license to practice. > > One of the biggest challenges is the tuition for these programs/courses > online and I am not sure how to go about finding out if there may be any > possible scholarships I could apply for or not. Both of the Colleges that > I > would like to study from does not participate in any federal or state > financial aid programs at this time, therefore, no federal grants are > applicable (including Stafford and Pell). I would like to mention here > some > of the possibilities that the Admissions had told me about from one of the > Colleges-- > > -I was told that a private loan or alternative loan is possible, most big > lenders (e.g. SunTrust, Wells Fargo, Citibank) will offer such options. > However, I would like to stay away from loans if possible. > > -Other suggestions that were mentioned to me either do not apply or that > are > not possible for me. One of the Colleges does have a scholarship available > to students however, with the requirements to be able to apply, I do not > qualify. Also, an employer tuition grant does not apply to me. > > -Local Community Service Organizations such as Masonic Organizations, > > Eastern Star(OES), Moose and Elks Lodges, or Chambers of Commerce may > provide grants. > > > > I was possibly thinking about contacting one of these but, didn't know how > successful I would be. What came to mind was the Lions Club since they > assist with people who are blind. I am not sure if they would have a > grant/scholarship or what they may be able to provide. I did notice in the > list of mailing lists the NFB has available to the public is the NFB Lions > so, I would like to know if you recommend me writing to that list and > providing this same information that I am sending to you? > > > > -Another suggestion that was mentioned was > > Vocational Rehabilitation Programs > > for assistance. What came to mind was the Virginia Department for the > Blind > and Visually Impaired. I know I would need to deal with the one located in > Fairfax since that is the closest to me and I have also dealt with them in > the past. I am apprehensive about contacting the Virginia Department for > the > Blind and Visually Impaired because my experiences with them in the past > were quite unpleasant and some were even unprofessional. I don't know if > the > Virginia Department of the Blind and Visually Impaired can be of help in > assisting with expenses or what they may be able to do in my situation or > if it would be willing to assist me in making my desire to help others > come > true. > > > > -Other suggestions were for women who have been harmed violently and > again, > this does not apply to me. > > > > I am willing to do what is required to earn a scholarship of some kind so > that I may be able to proceed with taking these programs/courses if a > scholarship's requirements apply to me. > > > > The only other thing that concerns me is, when I am enrolled into certain > programs/courses, how to have certain materials more accessible or even in > an alternative method like having something tactile. The doctors who are > blind have had to have alternative and/or tactile materials of some kind. > Whether in the Allopathic field or the Holistic field of health care, you > need to study Anatomy/Physiology and reading the text book is good and all > but, having something tactile to possibly go over the different areas of > the > body would be wonderful and also knowing where to get something like this > is > a question of mine as well that I need some assistance with how to find. > In > Holistic health care, you also have to identify the different types of > herbs > and the woman I had mentioned above, would have had to do so when she was > going through her schooling and I would like to find out ways to be able > to > do this. I don't know if she had sighted assistance and someone did a very > thorough job of explaining the look while she may have had the chance to > examine the herbs tactily or not. > > > > So, what i would like to know is: > > > > -if the Virginia Association of Blind Students mailing list would apply to > me or be of benefit. > > -if you have any suggestions of other lists or people I can contact to > find > out more about how to proceed with scholarships or finding out about > certain > alternative materials I will need and where to locate it so that I can > have > them as I move through the programs/courses. > > -If the Lions Club would be of help. > > -any other suggestions you may have for me. > > > > Thank you for your time and any help would be appreciated. Helping others > in > a more natural, holistic way has been a passion of mine for quite some > time > but, I really never knew where to begin and the more I looked into it, the > more questions I had about beginning the process because of the finances > as > well as the materials I may need because of my disability. > > > > Thank you, > > Melissa Hambleton > > mysticalcharm at comcast.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. > net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mysticalcharm%40comcast.net > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5172 - Release Date: 08/02/12 > From mysticalcharm at comcast.net Sat Aug 4 22:12:22 2012 From: mysticalcharm at comcast.net (Melissa Hambleton) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 18:12:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] questions and assistance needed for starting onlinecollege References: <015901cd70fb$be9fd360$6402a8c0@bfa617c5f939410> <9A365FDD1A4948D0B870B136EE765B26@BrandonsLaptop2> Message-ID: <00e401cd728e$38e274a0$6402a8c0@bfa617c5f939410> Thank you Brandon, I will check this list archives for scholarship discussions. Melissa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] questions and assistance needed for starting onlinecollege > Hello, > If you search the archives for the word > scholarship > we had a huge thread a little while back on this, there were at least a > hundred scholarship places that were talked about. > Rehabilitation agencies do help pay for college, but they will probably be > the state college rate. > Does APH have tactile mottles? > It may be good to get in contact with some of these doctors and talk to > them. > Thank you, > > Brandon Keith Biggs > -----Original Message----- > From: Mystical Charm > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 3:11 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] questions and assistance needed for starting online > college > > I have copied and pasted below an email that I sent to the VABS (Virginia > Association of Blind Students) moderator but, I have not received any > response so, I am writing here in hopes I can receive some assistance of > some kind so that I can begin my studies. > > ------------------------- > > Greetings to you Angie Matney, > > I wanted to write you in hopes that you may be of some assistance to me. I > was unsure if I would correctly qualify to join the list or not for the > Virginia Association of Blind Students or not so, I wanted to write you > directly and find out if you can give me any information or a direction to > go. > > Now to tell you a little bit about me and my situation. > > My name is Melissa, I am 32 years old and I am blind; I was born with a > visual impairment, Glaucoma. Over the years I did have the normal > treatments; the usage of multiple eye drops and in hospital surgery as > well as laser surgery but, none of these were effective so, my vision > declined over time and I am left with no usable vision. > > I truly believe I belong in the health field however, the particular area > in health is viewed by some as absurd, while others try out different > methods and can take it or leave it and others still like having the > option to incorporate in methods in their life's and others truly believe > in the benefits. What I am talking about is natural medicine. This covers > complementary methods as well as alternative therapies. It includes > anything from holistic dentistry and Chiropractics to Acupuncture to > Homeopathy and Massage therapy and goes into the subjects of Vitamins and > Minerals and exercise/fitness to energy work and meditation and so many > more other topics. > > The average university/College may only have a course or two in a subject > named above or something similar if they offer them at all. The only > colleges that I know of that deal specifically with these subjects are > Naturopathy Colleges and there are only perhaps 3-5 of them in the United > States. I don't desire to move to one of these states in which one of > these Naturopathy Colleges are located, the only alternative I have is > searching the internet for legitimate schools online so that I can do the > schoolwork from home. I have found a couple of Colleges that are of > interest to me with what they offer and I have checked to see if their > accreditation is legitimate or not and they do seem to be so. > > I do know that being a doctor is possible for a person who is blind; I > once went to a lecture/discussion at my local hospital and the man that > was speaking had been a doctor for a number of years and he was blind. At > the time, I wasn't interested in being in the health field, I was a young > teenager and was still trying to have fun and be me. Later, as I explored > the internet and searched for doctors, I found these articles: > > blind doctor sees patients in a different way > > http://nfb.org/legacy/bm/bm01/bm0105/bm010514.htm > > blind medical student earns his me.d. > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7318398/ns/health-health_care/ > > This next article is about a woman who went to one of the Naturopathy > schools I had briefly mentioned above: > > PAC Mate User Story: Chris Cooke, Medical Student > http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_products/PAC_Mate_HQ_ChrisCooke.asp > > This woman does have her own practice, which I hope to have one day, and > she also does have a website: > > http://www.healing4you.net/ > > I believe that Holistic Practitioner is what I am aiming for because > again, the Naturopathic Colleges are just not possible for me to attend. I > would eventually do what others would need to do by becoming board > certified and then having a license to practice. > > One of the biggest challenges is the tuition for these programs/courses > online and I am not sure how to go about finding out if there may be any > possible scholarships I could apply for or not. Both of the Colleges that > I would like to study from does not participate in any federal or state > financial aid programs at this time, therefore, no federal grants are > applicable (including Stafford and Pell). I would like to mention here > some of the possibilities that the Admissions had told me about from one > of the Colleges-- > > -I was told that a private loan or alternative loan is possible, most big > lenders (e.g. SunTrust, Wells Fargo, Citibank) will offer such options. > However, I would like to stay away from loans if possible. > > -Other suggestions that were mentioned to me either do not apply or that > are not possible for me. One of the Colleges does have a scholarship > available to students however, with the requirements to be able to apply, > I do not qualify. Also, an employer tuition grant does not apply to me. > > -Local Community Service Organizations such as Masonic Organizations, > > Eastern Star(OES), Moose and Elks Lodges, or Chambers of Commerce may > provide grants. > > > > I was possibly thinking about contacting one of these but, didn't know how > successful I would be. What came to mind was the Lions Club since they > assist with people who are blind. I am not sure if they would have a > grant/scholarship or what they may be able to provide. I did notice in the > list of mailing lists the NFB has available to the public is the NFB Lions > so, I would like to know if you recommend me writing to that list and > providing this same information that I am sending to you? > > > > -Another suggestion that was mentioned was > > Vocational Rehabilitation Programs > > for assistance. What came to mind was the Virginia Department for the > Blind and Visually Impaired. I know I would need to deal with the one > located in Fairfax since that is the closest to me and I have also dealt > with them in the past. I am apprehensive about contacting the Virginia > Department for the Blind and Visually Impaired because my experiences with > them in the past were quite unpleasant and some were even unprofessional. > I don't know if the Virginia Department of the Blind and Visually Impaired > can be of help in assisting with expenses or what they may be able to do > in my situation or if it would be willing to assist me in making my desire > to help others come true. > > > > -Other suggestions were for women who have been harmed violently and > again, this does not apply to me. > > > > I am willing to do what is required to earn a scholarship of some kind so > that I may be able to proceed with taking these programs/courses if a > scholarship's requirements apply to me. > > > > The only other thing that concerns me is, when I am enrolled into certain > programs/courses, how to have certain materials more accessible or even in > an alternative method like having something tactile. The doctors who are > blind have had to have alternative and/or tactile materials of some kind. > Whether in the Allopathic field or the Holistic field of health care, you > need to study Anatomy/Physiology and reading the text book is good and all > but, having something tactile to possibly go over the different areas of > the body would be wonderful and also knowing where to get something like > this is a question of mine as well that I need some assistance with how to > find. In Holistic health care, you also have to identify the different > types of herbs and the woman I had mentioned above, would have had to do > so when she was going through her schooling and I would like to find out > ways to be able to do this. I don't know if she had sighted assistance and > someone did a very thorough job of explaining the look while she may have > had the chance to examine the herbs tactily or not. > > > > So, what i would like to know is: > > > > -if the Virginia Association of Blind Students mailing list would apply to > me or be of benefit. > > -if you have any suggestions of other lists or people I can contact to > find out more about how to proceed with scholarships or finding out about > certain alternative materials I will need and where to locate it so that I > can have them as I move through the programs/courses. > > -If the Lions Club would be of help. > > -any other suggestions you may have for me. > > > > Thank you for your time and any help would be appreciated. Helping others > in a more natural, holistic way has been a passion of mine for quite some > time but, I really never knew where to begin and the more I looked into > it, the more questions I had about beginning the process because of the > finances as well as the materials I may need because of my disability. > > > > Thank you, > > Melissa Hambleton > > mysticalcharm at comcast.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mysticalcharm%40comcast.net > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5172 - Release Date: 08/02/12 > From ignasicambra at gmail.com Sat Aug 4 22:20:15 2012 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (=?windows-1252?Q?Ignasi_Cambra_D=EDaz?=) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 15:20:15 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] iPod Touch In-Reply-To: <501d4696.0253650a.2bde.65e1@mx.google.com> References: <501d4696.0253650a.2bde.65e1@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Which apps are you planning on using? You might really not need wifi to do certain things… For example if you are using iBooks you can just download the book you want at home and use it at school with no wifi. On Aug 4, 2012, at 8:57 AM, Winona wrote: > Hi everyone, > > My vision teacher is having me do a fun little project. She got me an iPod Touch from some meeting she went too for vision teachers. And she wants me to see how well the iPod Touch will work in an educational setting. But the biggest problem is my school doesn't have Wi-Fi. So because of that, I really wonder if it's gonna even work because most Apps have to have a Wi-Fi connection. ... Any ideas? > Thanks, > > Winona > > trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com > > "Your horn is just an amplifier for the music inside you." - Robert W. Smith > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From ignasicambra at gmail.com Sat Aug 4 22:20:52 2012 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ignasi_Cambra_D=EDaz?=) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 15:20:52 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] iPod Touch In-Reply-To: <501d9265.056f650a.0407.3fe2@mx.google.com> References: <501d9265.056f650a.0407.3fe2@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <50E629FE-3198-4A95-8753-35DB22D7DC57@gmail.com> The iPhone and some iPad models can use 3 or 4g, but not the iPod touch. On Aug 4, 2012, at 2:20 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: > Don't IOS devices use 4G connections for most things? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Winona To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date sent: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 11:57:38 -0400 > Subject: [nabs-l] iPod Touch > > Hi everyone, > > My vision teacher is having me do a fun little project. She got > me an iPod Touch from some meeting she went too for vision > teachers. And she wants me to see how well the iPod Touch will > work in an educational setting. But the biggest problem is my > school doesn't have Wi-Fi. So because of that, I really wonder > if it's gonna even work because most Apps have to have a Wi-Fi > connection. ... Any ideas? > Thanks, > > Winona > > trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com > > "Your horn is just an amplifier for the music inside you." - > Robert W. Smith > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From joshkart12 at gmail.com Sat Aug 4 22:20:52 2012 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (josh gregory) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 18:20:52 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] iPod Touch In-Reply-To: References: <501d9265.056f650a.0407.3fe2@mx.google.com> <014301cd7288$342f3480$9c8d9d80$@gmail.com> Message-ID: You have to have a network to join with. If not, you're limited. Winona,, pages and keynote might work for you, you'll have to download them from app store with a wifi connection. On 8/4/12, Lavonnya Gardner wrote: > So how does the I pod touch work, as far as y fye? > On Aug 4, 2012 5:32 PM, "Humberto Avila" > wrote: > >> IPhones do, and perhaps iPad, but not iPod touches. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Sophie Trist >> Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 2:21 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iPod Touch >> >> Don't IOS devices use 4G connections for most things? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Winona > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Date sent: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 11:57:38 -0400 >> Subject: [nabs-l] iPod Touch >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> My vision teacher is having me do a fun little project. She got >> me an iPod Touch from some meeting she went too for vision >> teachers. And she wants me to see how well the iPod Touch will >> work in an educational setting. But the biggest problem is my >> school doesn't have Wi-Fi. So because of that, I really wonder >> if it's gonna even work because most Apps have to have a Wi-Fi >> connection. ... Any ideas? >> Thanks, >> >> Winona >> >> trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com >> >> "Your horn is just an amplifier for the music inside you." - >> Robert W. Smith >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >> r%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g >> mail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com > -- Ways to Connect with me: facebook.com/evercuriousmasteryodo twitter.com/joshg93 Skype: joshgregory93 FaceTime, iMessage and iChat: joshkart12 at gmail.com From oliver.doug1 at gmail.com Sat Aug 4 22:28:17 2012 From: oliver.doug1 at gmail.com (oliver.doug1 at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 15:28:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] iPod Touch Message-ID: <1080553160.0.1344119291525.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> once you get it working on your network, you'll be able to install applications, set up skype and everything up etc. Sorry if I'm not of much help. From joshkart12 at gmail.com Sat Aug 4 22:28:16 2012 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (josh gregory) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 18:28:16 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] iClicker inaccessibility revisited In-Reply-To: <892ABDE9-E457-413B-B198-9925A308D391@me.com> References: <892ABDE9-E457-413B-B198-9925A308D391@me.com> Message-ID: Hmm... ok, I'll email you offlist if I have more questions. Thanks! On 8/4/12, Bryan Jones wrote: > This Spring I successfully completed a class where the iClicker was used to > take quizzes and to answer random questions and polls taken during class. > This was my first experience with a clicker and I was mostly pleased with my > experience. I took the following steps to make sure this would work out. As > with all of my class preparations I started this process 2 or 3 months prior > to the beginning of class. This is just an outline, so please email me if > you have more detailed questions. > > 1. Determine which model iClicker your class is expected to purchase. In my > case, the "iClicker 2" was specified in the course requirements. > 2. Email your Prof and ask them to provide a list of *exactly* which > functions you will be expected to perform in class using the iClicker. Not > all models are able to perform all functions. > 3. Forward that list to the iClicker customer support email address you will > find on the iClicker website and ask them to tell you which iClicker > model(s) can perform those functions in a manner that is accessible to you. > In my case, I was told the iClicker 2 and the Webclicker iPHone App were not > yet accessible to blind Users, but that the original iClicker was accessible > and could perform all of the functions required by my Prof.. Note that this > took place in late 2011, so the accessibility of their other hardware and > software models may have changed by now. > 4. Verify and double-check this information with your Prof. > 5. Purchase the iClicker. In my case I called my college bookstore and they > ordered it and had it in hand a week later. > 6. You will need to read or have somebody read a registration number on the > back of the iClicker in order to register it online. > 7. Meet with your Prof and discuss how best to use the clicker. In my case, > the Prof gave a ten question multiple choice quiz via powerpoint slides > every few days. I was able to take all of the quizzes right alongside the > rest of my class with no special modifications or adjustments aside from > having the Prof read the questions and answer choices aloud to the class as > they were projected on the overhead screen. Out of eleven quizzes, i think I > only needed to ask him to repeat a question two or three times during the > semester. > > HTH, > Bryan > > On Aug 3, 2012, at 11:48 PM, josh gregory wrote: >> For one of my college classes, one of the recommendations is the >> iClicker. Now I think this was the one a lot of people said was >> inaccessible. Now, how is it not, and how can I explain it to someone >> who has no idea of it's non-usability for visually impaired people? > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com > -- Ways to Connect with me: facebook.com/evercuriousmasteryodo twitter.com/joshg93 Skype: joshgregory93 FaceTime, iMessage and iChat: joshkart12 at gmail.com From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Sat Aug 4 22:36:19 2012 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 17:36:19 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] iPod Touch Message-ID: <501da415.27f6640a.570e.ffff8e4f@mx.google.com> Oh... sorry, I was confused because I only use an iPhone. Also, this is just my personal opiniion, but I think something like a braillenote has many more education benefits than an IOS device. It seems like it's much easier to type on a full qwerty keyboard than a touch screen. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Humberto Avila" References: <501da415.27f6640a.570e.ffff8e4f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Perhaps, but iOS is more stable, imo. But I digress. Email me privately if you want to discuss that. On 8/4/12, Sophie Trist wrote: > Oh... sorry, I was confused because I only use an iPhone. Also, > this is just my personal opiniion, but I think something like a > braillenote has many more education benefits than an IOS device. > It seems like it's much easier to type on a full qwerty keyboard > than a touch screen. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Humberto Avila" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Date sent: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 14:29:16 -0700 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iPod Touch > > IPhones do, and perhaps iPad, but not iPod touches. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Sophie Trist > Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 2:21 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iPod Touch > > Don't IOS devices use 4G connections for most things? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Winona To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date sent: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 11:57:38 -0400 > Subject: [nabs-l] iPod Touch > > Hi everyone, > > My vision teacher is having me do a fun little project. She got > me an iPod Touch from some meeting she went too for vision > teachers. And she wants me to see how well the iPod Touch will > work in an educational setting. But the biggest problem is my > school doesn't have Wi-Fi. So because of that, I really wonder > if it's gonna even work because most Apps have to have a Wi-Fi > connection. ... Any ideas? > Thanks, > > Winona > > trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com > > "Your horn is just an amplifier for the music inside you." - > Robert W. Smith > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.hu > mberto2%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com > -- Ways to Connect with me: facebook.com/evercuriousmasteryodo twitter.com/joshg93 Skype: joshgregory93 FaceTime, iMessage and iChat: joshkart12 at gmail.com From ignasicambra at gmail.com Sat Aug 4 22:53:24 2012 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ignasi_Cambra_D=EDaz?=) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 15:53:24 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] iPod Touch In-Reply-To: References: <501da415.27f6640a.570e.ffff8e4f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I think it just really depends on what you need and what you like. In my opinion using an iPhone paired with a small bluetooth keyboard is ideal for taking notes. You can also use the iPhone to download accessible books from the iBooks store. I believe textbook publishers are really starting to put their books in there, which might really be beneficial to us. Also it's important to remember that most people will take their phone with them all the time, but carrying around a Braillenote is a lot more annoying. On Aug 4, 2012, at 3:43 PM, josh gregory wrote: > Perhaps, but iOS is more stable, imo. But I digress. Email me > privately if you want to discuss that. > > On 8/4/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >> Oh... sorry, I was confused because I only use an iPhone. Also, >> this is just my personal opiniion, but I think something like a >> braillenote has many more education benefits than an IOS device. >> It seems like it's much easier to type on a full qwerty keyboard >> than a touch screen. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Humberto Avila" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >> > Date sent: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 14:29:16 -0700 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iPod Touch >> >> IPhones do, and perhaps iPad, but not iPod touches. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >> Of Sophie Trist >> Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 2:21 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iPod Touch >> >> Don't IOS devices use 4G connections for most things? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Winona > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Date sent: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 11:57:38 -0400 >> Subject: [nabs-l] iPod Touch >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> My vision teacher is having me do a fun little project. She got >> me an iPod Touch from some meeting she went too for vision >> teachers. And she wants me to see how well the iPod Touch will >> work in an educational setting. But the biggest problem is my >> school doesn't have Wi-Fi. So because of that, I really wonder >> if it's gonna even work because most Apps have to have a Wi-Fi >> connection. ... Any ideas? >> Thanks, >> >> Winona >> >> trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com >> >> "Your horn is just an amplifier for the music inside you." - >> Robert W. Smith >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >> r%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.hu >> mberto2%40g >> mail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >> r%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Ways to Connect with me: > > facebook.com/evercuriousmasteryodo > > twitter.com/joshg93 > Skype: joshgregory93 > FaceTime, iMessage and iChat: joshkart12 at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From joshkart12 at gmail.com Sat Aug 4 22:55:48 2012 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (josh gregory) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 18:55:48 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] iPod Touch In-Reply-To: References: <501da415.27f6640a.570e.ffff8e4f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: As of now, as far as I know, iPad 2 and 3 are the only devices that support iBooks textbooks. On 8/4/12, Ignasi Cambra Díaz wrote: > I think it just really depends on what you need and what you like. In my > opinion using an iPhone paired with a small bluetooth keyboard is ideal for > taking notes. You can also use the iPhone to download accessible books from > the iBooks store. I believe textbook publishers are really starting to put > their books in there, which might really be beneficial to us. > Also it's important to remember that most people will take their phone with > them all the time, but carrying around a Braillenote is a lot more > annoying. > On Aug 4, 2012, at 3:43 PM, josh gregory wrote: > >> Perhaps, but iOS is more stable, imo. But I digress. Email me >> privately if you want to discuss that. >> >> On 8/4/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >>> Oh... sorry, I was confused because I only use an iPhone. Also, >>> this is just my personal opiniion, but I think something like a >>> braillenote has many more education benefits than an IOS device. >>> It seems like it's much easier to type on a full qwerty keyboard >>> than a touch screen. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Humberto Avila" >> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>> >> Date sent: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 14:29:16 -0700 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iPod Touch >>> >>> IPhones do, and perhaps iPad, but not iPod touches. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >>> Of Sophie Trist >>> Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 2:21 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iPod Touch >>> >>> Don't IOS devices use 4G connections for most things? >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Winona >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Date sent: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 11:57:38 -0400 >>> Subject: [nabs-l] iPod Touch >>> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> My vision teacher is having me do a fun little project. She got >>> me an iPod Touch from some meeting she went too for vision >>> teachers. And she wants me to see how well the iPod Touch will >>> work in an educational setting. But the biggest problem is my >>> school doesn't have Wi-Fi. So because of that, I really wonder >>> if it's gonna even work because most Apps have to have a Wi-Fi >>> connection. ... Any ideas? >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Winona >>> >>> trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com >>> >>> "Your horn is just an amplifier for the music inside you." - >>> Robert W. Smith >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >>> r%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.hu >>> mberto2%40g >>> mail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >>> r%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Ways to Connect with me: >> >> facebook.com/evercuriousmasteryodo >> >> twitter.com/joshg93 >> Skype: joshgregory93 >> FaceTime, iMessage and iChat: joshkart12 at gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com > -- Ways to Connect with me: facebook.com/evercuriousmasteryodo twitter.com/joshg93 Skype: joshgregory93 FaceTime, iMessage and iChat: joshkart12 at gmail.com From trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com Sun Aug 5 00:37:44 2012 From: trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com (Winona) Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 20:37:44 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] iPod Touch Message-ID: <501dc07d.0a4bec0a.1306.ffffac7c@mx.google.com> I don't know what apps I want to use. That's why I sent this original message to the list to see if you guys had any ideas for educational uses. But I'll have to look into using iBooks. Winona trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com "Your horn is just an amplifier for the music inside you." - Robert W. Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: Ignasi Cambra Díaz wrote: Hi everyone, My vision teacher is having me do a fun little project. She got me an iPod Touch from some meeting she went too for vision teachers. And she wants me to see how well the iPod Touch will work in an educational setting. But the biggest problem is my school doesn't have Wi-Fi. So because of that, I really wonder if it's gonna even work because most Apps have to have a Wi-Fi connection. ... Any ideas? Thanks, Winona trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com "Your horn is just an amplifier for the music inside you." - Robert W. Smith _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra% 40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trumpetqueenw b%40gmail.com From trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com Sun Aug 5 00:37:45 2012 From: trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com (Winona) Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 20:37:45 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] iPod Touch Message-ID: <501dc07e.0a4bec0a.1306.ffffac7d@mx.google.com> Well, I have a BrailleNote also. But my vision teacher wants me to see how well an iPod touch would work at school. Winona trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com "Your horn is just an amplifier for the music inside you." - Robert W. Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: Sophie Trist References: <501dc07d.0a4bec0a.1306.ffffac7c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: What about pairing braillenote to iPod? Write me offlist if you want. On 8/4/12, Winona wrote: > I don't know what apps I want to use. That's why I sent this > original message to the list to see if you guys had any ideas for > educational uses. But I'll have to look into using iBooks. > > Winona > > trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com > > "Your horn is just an amplifier for the music inside you." - > Robert W. Smith > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ignasi Cambra Díaz To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 15:20:15 -0700 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iPod Touch > > Which apps are you planning on using? You might really not need > wifi to do certain things… For example if you are using iBooks > you can just download the book you want at home and use it at > school with no wifi. > On Aug 4, 2012, at 8:57 AM, Winona > wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > My vision teacher is having me do a fun little project. She got > me an iPod Touch from some meeting she went too for vision > teachers. And she wants me to see how well the iPod Touch will > work in an educational setting. But the biggest problem is my > school doesn't have Wi-Fi. So because of that, I really wonder > if it's gonna even work because most Apps have to have a Wi-Fi > connection. ... Any ideas? > Thanks, > > Winona > > trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com > > "Your horn is just an amplifier for the music inside you." - > Robert W. Smith > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra% > 40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trumpetqueenw > b%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com > -- Ways to Connect with me: facebook.com/evercuriousmasteryodo twitter.com/joshg93 Skype: joshgregory93 FaceTime, iMessage and iChat: joshkart12 at gmail.com From Vyingling at nfb.org Mon Aug 6 13:07:29 2012 From: Vyingling at nfb.org (Yingling, Valerie) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 13:07:29 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Looking For California Students Planning to Take the LSAT Message-ID: <2E77F7FE85FE99418761668AE1AA779E0153CF@BL2PRD0710MB375.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> Greetings, The NFB is searching for California students who are planning to take the LSAT in the near future, are legally blind, and requested (or plan to request) use of screen access software as an LSAT testing accommodation. If you happen to know of anyone meeting this description, or if you could put me in touch with someone who might, please contact me at Vyingling at nfb.org. Thank you, Valerie Yingling Paralegal National Federation of the Blind 200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place Baltimore, Maryland 21230 Telephone 410-659-9314 ext. 2440 Fax: (410) 659-5129 E-mail: Vyingling at nfb.org Web site: www.nfb.org From gloria.graves at gmail.com Mon Aug 6 23:24:29 2012 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 18:24:29 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting Message-ID: <46F7896E7B4D4E5499A195CEC5CBACBE@Gloria> Hi all, I was wondering how do you handle interviews when the talk of blindness comes up? I have had some interviews and in some cases the interviewer does not bring up my blindness, but I know it is something that is very noticable as soon as I walk in the door. I try to remain calm and answer the questions that pertain to the position I am applying for and I discuss how I would handle these tasks despite my blindness. There are those interviewers who just come right out and ask how I am going to complete the task required of me as a blind person. I answer and give examples of how I would complete the tasks. I guess I should have started out by saying I am a psychology and sociology double major and want to work with at risk youth as a counselor. Because I do not yet have my degree I am trying to gain as much experience as possible because this is what future employers will be looking for, but the problem I run into is there are many organizations that work with at risk youth in the town I live in, but there is always the question of how I am going to work with the youth as a blind person. I have also thought of doing any work that envolved providing services to youth, women, families such as, homeless shelters and things of that nature. I am just feeling defeated at this point, because every door I have opened has closed shut in my face, and it only seems to be due to me being blind. I just want someone to give me a chance because I know I can do the work. Thanks From hope.paulos at gmail.com Mon Aug 6 23:52:48 2012 From: hope.paulos at gmail.com (Hope Paulos) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 19:52:48 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting In-Reply-To: <46F7896E7B4D4E5499A195CEC5CBACBE@Gloria> References: <46F7896E7B4D4E5499A195CEC5CBACBE@Gloria> Message-ID: <032b01cd742e$95f1ecb0$c1d5c610$@gmail.com> Hi Gloria. I think you're taking the right approach. I always disclose my blindness (it's hard for them not to see that I'm blind because of my guide dog). I'd just continue to advocate for yourself as far as working with at risk youth. Hope -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gloria G Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:24 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting Hi all, I was wondering how do you handle interviews when the talk of blindness comes up? I have had some interviews and in some cases the interviewer does not bring up my blindness, but I know it is something that is very noticable as soon as I walk in the door. I try to remain calm and answer the questions that pertain to the position I am applying for and I discuss how I would handle these tasks despite my blindness. There are those interviewers who just come right out and ask how I am going to complete the task required of me as a blind person. I answer and give examples of how I would complete the tasks. I guess I should have started out by saying I am a psychology and sociology double major and want to work with at risk youth as a counselor. Because I do not yet have my degree I am trying to gain as much experience as possible because this is what future employers will be looking for, but the problem I run into is there are many organizations that work with at risk youth in the town I live in, but there is always the question of how I am going to work with the youth as a blind person. I have also thought of doing any work that envolved providing services to youth, women, families such as, homeless shelters and things of that nature. I am just feeling defeated at this point, because every door I have opened has closed shut in my face, and it only seems to be due to me being blind. I just want someone to give me a chance because I know I can do the work. Thanks _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com From gloria.graves at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 00:12:55 2012 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 19:12:55 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting References: <46F7896E7B4D4E5499A195CEC5CBACBE@Gloria> <032b01cd742e$95f1ecb0$c1d5c610$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <943949334A0D45B082C2B14DD2703CA1@Gloria> Hi Hope, Do you currently work? If so how did you get around those questions? Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting > Hi Gloria. I think you're taking the right approach. I always disclose my > blindness (it's hard for them not to see that I'm blind because of my > guide > dog). I'd just continue to advocate for yourself as far as working with at > risk youth. > Hope > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Gloria G > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:24 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting > > Hi all, > I was wondering how do you handle interviews when the talk of blindness > comes up? I have had some interviews and in some cases the interviewer > does > not bring up my blindness, but I know it is something that is very > noticable > as soon as I walk in the door. I try to remain calm and answer the > questions > that pertain to the position I am applying for and I discuss how I would > handle these tasks despite my blindness. There are those interviewers who > just come right out and ask how I am going to complete the task required > of > me as a blind person. I answer and give examples of how I would complete > the > tasks. I guess I should have started out by saying I am a psychology and > sociology double major and want to work with at risk youth as a counselor. > Because I do not yet have my degree I am trying to gain as much experience > as possible because this is what future employers will be looking for, but > the problem I run into is there are many organizations that work with at > risk youth in the town I live in, but there is always the question of how > I > am going to work with the youth as a blind person. I have also thought of > doing any work that envolved providing services to youth, women, families > such as, homeless shelters and things of that nature. I am just feeling > defeated at this point, because every door I have opened has closed shut > in > my face, and it only seems to be due to me being blind. I just want > someone > to give me a chance because I know I can do the work. > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From hope.paulos at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 00:16:57 2012 From: hope.paulos at gmail.com (Hope Paulos) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 20:16:57 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting In-Reply-To: <943949334A0D45B082C2B14DD2703CA1@Gloria> References: <46F7896E7B4D4E5499A195CEC5CBACBE@Gloria> <032b01cd742e$95f1ecb0$c1d5c610$@gmail.com> <943949334A0D45B082C2B14DD2703CA1@Gloria> Message-ID: <003001cd7431$f593b510$e0bb1f30$@gmail.com> No. I'm currently hunting for a job as well. I just answered them as you do, explaining how I would do certain things and giving examples. I applied for a vocational rehabilitation counselor I. position and I would be working with individuals with disabilities as well as mental health diagnoses. Nothing offends me so they can ask any question they want regarding my blindness. It's just a matter of overcoming the stereotypes put on us by people who don't know what we really can do. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gloria G Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:13 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting Hi Hope, Do you currently work? If so how did you get around those questions? Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting > Hi Gloria. I think you're taking the right approach. I always disclose my > blindness (it's hard for them not to see that I'm blind because of my > guide > dog). I'd just continue to advocate for yourself as far as working with at > risk youth. > Hope > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Gloria G > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:24 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting > > Hi all, > I was wondering how do you handle interviews when the talk of blindness > comes up? I have had some interviews and in some cases the interviewer > does > not bring up my blindness, but I know it is something that is very > noticable > as soon as I walk in the door. I try to remain calm and answer the > questions > that pertain to the position I am applying for and I discuss how I would > handle these tasks despite my blindness. There are those interviewers who > just come right out and ask how I am going to complete the task required > of > me as a blind person. I answer and give examples of how I would complete > the > tasks. I guess I should have started out by saying I am a psychology and > sociology double major and want to work with at risk youth as a counselor. > Because I do not yet have my degree I am trying to gain as much experience > as possible because this is what future employers will be looking for, but > the problem I run into is there are many organizations that work with at > risk youth in the town I live in, but there is always the question of how > I > am going to work with the youth as a blind person. I have also thought of > doing any work that envolved providing services to youth, women, families > such as, homeless shelters and things of that nature. I am just feeling > defeated at this point, because every door I have opened has closed shut > in > my face, and it only seems to be due to me being blind. I just want > someone > to give me a chance because I know I can do the work. > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.co m _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com From gloria.graves at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 00:28:33 2012 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 19:28:33 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting References: <46F7896E7B4D4E5499A195CEC5CBACBE@Gloria><032b01cd742e$95f1ecb0$c1d5c610$@gmail.com><943949334A0D45B082C2B14DD2703CA1@Gloria> <003001cd7431$f593b510$e0bb1f30$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <31513C28028148D1AAE62DC957F1BBC8@Gloria> Hi Hope, Did you go to get your masters in rehab counseling? I have also thought of getting a masters in rehab counseling. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting > No. I'm currently hunting for a job as well. I just answered them as you > do, > explaining how I would do certain things and giving examples. I applied > for > a vocational rehabilitation counselor I. position and I would be working > with individuals with disabilities as well as mental health diagnoses. > Nothing offends me so they can ask any question they want regarding my > blindness. It's just a matter of overcoming the stereotypes put on us by > people who don't know what we really can do. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Gloria G > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:13 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting > > Hi Hope, > Do you currently work? If so how did you get around those questions? > Thanks > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hope Paulos" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 6:52 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting > > >> Hi Gloria. I think you're taking the right approach. I always disclose my >> blindness (it's hard for them not to see that I'm blind because of my >> guide >> dog). I'd just continue to advocate for yourself as far as working with >> at >> risk youth. >> Hope >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Gloria G >> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:24 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >> >> Hi all, >> I was wondering how do you handle interviews when the talk of blindness >> comes up? I have had some interviews and in some cases the interviewer >> does >> not bring up my blindness, but I know it is something that is very >> noticable >> as soon as I walk in the door. I try to remain calm and answer the >> questions >> that pertain to the position I am applying for and I discuss how I would >> handle these tasks despite my blindness. There are those interviewers who >> just come right out and ask how I am going to complete the task required >> of >> me as a blind person. I answer and give examples of how I would complete >> the >> tasks. I guess I should have started out by saying I am a psychology and >> sociology double major and want to work with at risk youth as a >> counselor. >> Because I do not yet have my degree I am trying to gain as much >> experience >> as possible because this is what future employers will be looking for, >> but >> the problem I run into is there are many organizations that work with at >> risk youth in the town I live in, but there is always the question of how >> I >> am going to work with the youth as a blind person. I have also thought of >> doing any work that envolved providing services to youth, women, families >> such as, homeless shelters and things of that nature. I am just feeling >> defeated at this point, because every door I have opened has closed shut >> in >> my face, and it only seems to be due to me being blind. I just want >> someone >> to give me a chance because I know I can do the work. >> Thanks >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From daviddod at buffalo.edu Tue Aug 7 00:36:30 2012 From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 20:36:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting In-Reply-To: <31513C28028148D1AAE62DC957F1BBC8@Gloria> References: <46F7896E7B4D4E5499A195CEC5CBACBE@Gloria> <032b01cd742e$95f1ecb0$c1d5c610$@gmail.com> <943949334A0D45B082C2B14DD2703CA1@Gloria> <003001cd7431$f593b510$e0bb1f30$@gmail.com> <31513C28028148D1AAE62DC957F1BBC8@Gloria> Message-ID: Gloria, It definitely sounds like you are going about things the right way. I would try not to get discouraged or be concerned by the questions the interviewer is asking. It is definitely not a bad thing for a blind person to help a sighted person better understand how the employment would work. Think of it as an opportunity for you to advocate and teach the potential employer something. The best that can be done is what you are doing - honestly answering questions and explaining things. David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Gloria G wrote: > Hi Hope, > Did you go to get your masters in rehab counseling? I have also thought of > getting a masters in rehab counseling. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" < > nabs-l at nfbnet.org> > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:16 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting > > > No. I'm currently hunting for a job as well. I just answered them as you >> do, >> explaining how I would do certain things and giving examples. I applied >> for >> a vocational rehabilitation counselor I. position and I would be working >> with individuals with disabilities as well as mental health diagnoses. >> Nothing offends me so they can ask any question they want regarding my >> blindness. It's just a matter of overcoming the stereotypes put on us by >> people who don't know what we really can do. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org] >> On Behalf >> Of Gloria G >> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:13 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >> >> Hi Hope, >> Do you currently work? If so how did you get around those questions? >> Thanks >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" >> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >> >> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 6:52 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >> >> >> Hi Gloria. I think you're taking the right approach. I always disclose my >>> blindness (it's hard for them not to see that I'm blind because of my >>> guide >>> dog). I'd just continue to advocate for yourself as far as working with >>> at >>> risk youth. >>> Hope >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org] >>> On >>> Behalf >>> Of Gloria G >>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:24 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>> >>> Hi all, >>> I was wondering how do you handle interviews when the talk of blindness >>> comes up? I have had some interviews and in some cases the interviewer >>> does >>> not bring up my blindness, but I know it is something that is very >>> noticable >>> as soon as I walk in the door. I try to remain calm and answer the >>> questions >>> that pertain to the position I am applying for and I discuss how I would >>> handle these tasks despite my blindness. There are those interviewers who >>> just come right out and ask how I am going to complete the task required >>> of >>> me as a blind person. I answer and give examples of how I would complete >>> the >>> tasks. I guess I should have started out by saying I am a psychology and >>> sociology double major and want to work with at risk youth as a >>> counselor. >>> Because I do not yet have my degree I am trying to gain as much >>> experience >>> as possible because this is what future employers will be looking for, >>> but >>> the problem I run into is there are many organizations that work with at >>> risk youth in the town I live in, but there is always the question of how >>> I >>> am going to work with the youth as a blind person. I have also thought of >>> doing any work that envolved providing services to youth, women, families >>> such as, homeless shelters and things of that nature. I am just feeling >>> defeated at this point, because every door I have opened has closed shut >>> in >>> my face, and it only seems to be due to me being blind. I just want >>> someone >>> to give me a chance because I know I can do the work. >>> Thanks >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> hope.paulos%40gmail.com >> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> gloria.graves%40gmail.co >> m >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> hope.paulos%40gmail.com >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> gloria.graves%40gmail.com >> > > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > daviddod%40buffalo.edu > From gloria.graves at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 00:41:43 2012 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 19:41:43 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting References: <46F7896E7B4D4E5499A195CEC5CBACBE@Gloria><032b01cd742e$95f1ecb0$c1d5c610$@gmail.com><943949334A0D45B082C2B14DD2703CA1@Gloria><003001cd7431$f593b510$e0bb1f30$@gmail.com><31513C28028148D1AAE62DC957F1BBC8@Gloria> Message-ID: <0CD15F79C99B43468A11D866055E71A3@Gloria> Hi, I am not offended or anything by the questions that are asked. I am just upset that I am not given a chance. It is almost as if the employer has decided what I can and can not do the minute I walk in the door with my cane. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dodge" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:36 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting > Gloria, > It definitely sounds like you are going about things the right way. > > I would try not to get discouraged or be concerned by the questions the > interviewer is asking. It is definitely not a bad thing for a blind person > to help a sighted person better understand how the employment would work. > Think of it as an opportunity for you to advocate and teach the potential > employer something. > > The best that can be done is what you are doing - honestly answering > questions and explaining things. > > David > ---------------------------------- > David Dodge > Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson > English Major > University at Buffalo > 306 Clemens Hall > Buffalo, NY 14260 > daviddod at buffalo.edu > > > On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Gloria G wrote: > >> Hi Hope, >> Did you go to get your masters in rehab counseling? I have also thought >> of >> getting a masters in rehab counseling. >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" >> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" < >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:16 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >> >> >> No. I'm currently hunting for a job as well. I just answered them as you >>> do, >>> explaining how I would do certain things and giving examples. I applied >>> for >>> a vocational rehabilitation counselor I. position and I would be working >>> with individuals with disabilities as well as mental health diagnoses. >>> Nothing offends me so they can ask any question they want regarding my >>> blindness. It's just a matter of overcoming the stereotypes put on us by >>> people who don't know what we really can do. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org] >>> On Behalf >>> Of Gloria G >>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:13 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>> >>> Hi Hope, >>> Do you currently work? If so how did you get around those questions? >>> Thanks >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" >>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>> >>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 6:52 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>> >>> >>> Hi Gloria. I think you're taking the right approach. I always disclose >>> my >>>> blindness (it's hard for them not to see that I'm blind because of my >>>> guide >>>> dog). I'd just continue to advocate for yourself as far as working with >>>> at >>>> risk youth. >>>> Hope >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org] >>>> On >>>> Behalf >>>> Of Gloria G >>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:24 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> I was wondering how do you handle interviews when the talk of blindness >>>> comes up? I have had some interviews and in some cases the interviewer >>>> does >>>> not bring up my blindness, but I know it is something that is very >>>> noticable >>>> as soon as I walk in the door. I try to remain calm and answer the >>>> questions >>>> that pertain to the position I am applying for and I discuss how I >>>> would >>>> handle these tasks despite my blindness. There are those interviewers >>>> who >>>> just come right out and ask how I am going to complete the task >>>> required >>>> of >>>> me as a blind person. I answer and give examples of how I would >>>> complete >>>> the >>>> tasks. I guess I should have started out by saying I am a psychology >>>> and >>>> sociology double major and want to work with at risk youth as a >>>> counselor. >>>> Because I do not yet have my degree I am trying to gain as much >>>> experience >>>> as possible because this is what future employers will be looking for, >>>> but >>>> the problem I run into is there are many organizations that work with >>>> at >>>> risk youth in the town I live in, but there is always the question of >>>> how >>>> I >>>> am going to work with the youth as a blind person. I have also thought >>>> of >>>> doing any work that envolved providing services to youth, women, >>>> families >>>> such as, homeless shelters and things of that nature. I am just feeling >>>> defeated at this point, because every door I have opened has closed >>>> shut >>>> in >>>> my face, and it only seems to be due to me being blind. I just want >>>> someone >>>> to give me a chance because I know I can do the work. >>>> Thanks >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>> hope.paulos%40gmail.com >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>> gloria.graves%40gmail.co >>> m >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>> hope.paulos%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>> gloria.graves%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> daviddod%40buffalo.edu >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From daviddod at buffalo.edu Tue Aug 7 00:46:07 2012 From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 20:46:07 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting In-Reply-To: <0CD15F79C99B43468A11D866055E71A3@Gloria> References: <46F7896E7B4D4E5499A195CEC5CBACBE@Gloria> <032b01cd742e$95f1ecb0$c1d5c610$@gmail.com> <943949334A0D45B082C2B14DD2703CA1@Gloria> <003001cd7431$f593b510$e0bb1f30$@gmail.com> <31513C28028148D1AAE62DC957F1BBC8@Gloria> <0CD15F79C99B43468A11D866055E71A3@Gloria> Message-ID: It is unfortunate how people act and react sometimes. Soon, you will find an employer that will base his or her decision solely upon skill. That is the way it should be anyways but your right it isn't always. David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:41 PM, Gloria G wrote: > Hi, > I am not offended or anything by the questions that are asked. I am just > upset that I am not given a chance. It is almost as if the employer has > decided what I can and can not do the minute I walk in the door with my > cane. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dodge" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" < > nabs-l at nfbnet.org> > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:36 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting > > > Gloria, >> It definitely sounds like you are going about things the right way. >> >> I would try not to get discouraged or be concerned by the questions the >> interviewer is asking. It is definitely not a bad thing for a blind person >> to help a sighted person better understand how the employment would work. >> Think of it as an opportunity for you to advocate and teach the potential >> employer something. >> >> The best that can be done is what you are doing - honestly answering >> questions and explaining things. >> >> David >> ------------------------------**---- >> David Dodge >> Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson >> English Major >> University at Buffalo >> 306 Clemens Hall >> Buffalo, NY 14260 >> daviddod at buffalo.edu >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Gloria G wrote: >> >> Hi Hope, >>> Did you go to get your masters in rehab counseling? I have also thought >>> of >>> getting a masters in rehab counseling. >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" >>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" < >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:16 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>> >>> >>> No. I'm currently hunting for a job as well. I just answered them as you >>> >>>> do, >>>> explaining how I would do certain things and giving examples. I applied >>>> for >>>> a vocational rehabilitation counselor I. position and I would be working >>>> with individuals with disabilities as well as mental health diagnoses. >>>> Nothing offends me so they can ask any question they want regarding my >>>> blindness. It's just a matter of overcoming the stereotypes put on us by >>>> people who don't know what we really can do. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.****org< >>>> nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org >] >>>> On Behalf >>>> Of Gloria G >>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:13 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>> >>>> Hi Hope, >>>> Do you currently work? If so how did you get around those questions? >>>> Thanks >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" >>> > >>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>> >>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 6:52 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Gloria. I think you're taking the right approach. I always disclose >>>> my >>>> >>>>> blindness (it's hard for them not to see that I'm blind because of my >>>>> guide >>>>> dog). I'd just continue to advocate for yourself as far as working with >>>>> at >>>>> risk youth. >>>>> Hope >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.****org< >>>>> nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org >] >>>>> On >>>>> Behalf >>>>> Of Gloria G >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:24 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> I was wondering how do you handle interviews when the talk of blindness >>>>> comes up? I have had some interviews and in some cases the interviewer >>>>> does >>>>> not bring up my blindness, but I know it is something that is very >>>>> noticable >>>>> as soon as I walk in the door. I try to remain calm and answer the >>>>> questions >>>>> that pertain to the position I am applying for and I discuss how I >>>>> would >>>>> handle these tasks despite my blindness. There are those interviewers >>>>> who >>>>> just come right out and ask how I am going to complete the task >>>>> required >>>>> of >>>>> me as a blind person. I answer and give examples of how I would >>>>> complete >>>>> the >>>>> tasks. I guess I should have started out by saying I am a psychology >>>>> and >>>>> sociology double major and want to work with at risk youth as a >>>>> counselor. >>>>> Because I do not yet have my degree I am trying to gain as much >>>>> experience >>>>> as possible because this is what future employers will be looking for, >>>>> but >>>>> the problem I run into is there are many organizations that work with >>>>> at >>>>> risk youth in the town I live in, but there is always the question of >>>>> how >>>>> I >>>>> am going to work with the youth as a blind person. I have also thought >>>>> of >>>>> doing any work that envolved providing services to youth, women, >>>>> families >>>>> such as, homeless shelters and things of that nature. I am just feeling >>>>> defeated at this point, because every door I have opened has closed >>>>> shut >>>>> in >>>>> my face, and it only seems to be due to me being blind. I just want >>>>> someone >>>>> to give me a chance because I know I can do the work. >>>>> Thanks >>>>> ______________________________****_________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>> >>>> hope.paulos%40gmail.com>>> nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%**40gmail.com >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________****_________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>> >>>> gloria.graves%40gmail.co>>> nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.**graves%40gmail.co >>>> > >>>> m >>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________****_________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> >>>> > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>> hope.paulos%40gmail.com>>> nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%**40gmail.com >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________****_________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> >>>> > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>> gloria.graves%40gmail.com>>> nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.**graves%40gmail.com >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>> >>> ______________________________****_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>> > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>> daviddod%40buffalo.edu>> nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%**40buffalo.edu >>> > >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> gloria.graves%40gmail.com >> > > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > daviddod%40buffalo.edu > From gloria.graves at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 00:51:31 2012 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 19:51:31 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting References: <46F7896E7B4D4E5499A195CEC5CBACBE@Gloria><032b01cd742e$95f1ecb0$c1d5c610$@gmail.com><943949334A0D45B082C2B14DD2703CA1@Gloria><003001cd7431$f593b510$e0bb1f30$@gmail.com><31513C28028148D1AAE62DC957F1BBC8@Gloria><0CD15F79C99B43468A11D866055E71A3@Gloria> Message-ID: <3540CBA9B6044611BB2EB5E13D849D13@Gloria> Hi Dave, Are you currently looking for employment? ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dodge" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting > It is unfortunate how people act and react sometimes. Soon, you will find > an employer that will base his or her decision solely upon skill. That is > the way it should be anyways but your right it isn't always. > > David > ---------------------------------- > David Dodge > Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson > English Major > University at Buffalo > 306 Clemens Hall > Buffalo, NY 14260 > daviddod at buffalo.edu > > > On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:41 PM, Gloria G wrote: > >> Hi, >> I am not offended or anything by the questions that are asked. I am just >> upset that I am not given a chance. It is almost as if the employer has >> decided what I can and can not do the minute I walk in the door with my >> cane. >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dodge" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" < >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:36 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >> >> >> Gloria, >>> It definitely sounds like you are going about things the right way. >>> >>> I would try not to get discouraged or be concerned by the questions the >>> interviewer is asking. It is definitely not a bad thing for a blind >>> person >>> to help a sighted person better understand how the employment would >>> work. >>> Think of it as an opportunity for you to advocate and teach the >>> potential >>> employer something. >>> >>> The best that can be done is what you are doing - honestly answering >>> questions and explaining things. >>> >>> David >>> ------------------------------**---- >>> David Dodge >>> Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson >>> English Major >>> University at Buffalo >>> 306 Clemens Hall >>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Gloria G >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Hope, >>>> Did you go to get your masters in rehab counseling? I have also thought >>>> of >>>> getting a masters in rehab counseling. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" >>>> >>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" < >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:16 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>> >>>> >>>> No. I'm currently hunting for a job as well. I just answered them as >>>> you >>>> >>>>> do, >>>>> explaining how I would do certain things and giving examples. I >>>>> applied >>>>> for >>>>> a vocational rehabilitation counselor I. position and I would be >>>>> working >>>>> with individuals with disabilities as well as mental health >>>>> diagnoses. >>>>> Nothing offends me so they can ask any question they want regarding my >>>>> blindness. It's just a matter of overcoming the stereotypes put on us >>>>> by >>>>> people who don't know what we really can do. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.****org< >>>>> nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org >] >>>>> On Behalf >>>>> Of Gloria G >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:13 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>> >>>>> Hi Hope, >>>>> Do you currently work? If so how did you get around those questions? >>>>> Thanks >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>>> >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 6:52 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi Gloria. I think you're taking the right approach. I always >>>>> disclose >>>>> my >>>>> >>>>>> blindness (it's hard for them not to see that I'm blind because of >>>>>> my >>>>>> guide >>>>>> dog). I'd just continue to advocate for yourself as far as working >>>>>> with >>>>>> at >>>>>> risk youth. >>>>>> Hope >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.****org< >>>>>> nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org >] >>>>>> On >>>>>> Behalf >>>>>> Of Gloria G >>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:24 PM >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>> I was wondering how do you handle interviews when the talk of >>>>>> blindness >>>>>> comes up? I have had some interviews and in some cases the >>>>>> interviewer >>>>>> does >>>>>> not bring up my blindness, but I know it is something that is very >>>>>> noticable >>>>>> as soon as I walk in the door. I try to remain calm and answer the >>>>>> questions >>>>>> that pertain to the position I am applying for and I discuss how I >>>>>> would >>>>>> handle these tasks despite my blindness. There are those interviewers >>>>>> who >>>>>> just come right out and ask how I am going to complete the task >>>>>> required >>>>>> of >>>>>> me as a blind person. I answer and give examples of how I would >>>>>> complete >>>>>> the >>>>>> tasks. I guess I should have started out by saying I am a psychology >>>>>> and >>>>>> sociology double major and want to work with at risk youth as a >>>>>> counselor. >>>>>> Because I do not yet have my degree I am trying to gain as much >>>>>> experience >>>>>> as possible because this is what future employers will be looking >>>>>> for, >>>>>> but >>>>>> the problem I run into is there are many organizations that work with >>>>>> at >>>>>> risk youth in the town I live in, but there is always the question of >>>>>> how >>>>>> I >>>>>> am going to work with the youth as a blind person. I have also >>>>>> thought >>>>>> of >>>>>> doing any work that envolved providing services to youth, women, >>>>>> families >>>>>> such as, homeless shelters and things of that nature. I am just >>>>>> feeling >>>>>> defeated at this point, because every door I have opened has closed >>>>>> shut >>>>>> in >>>>>> my face, and it only seems to be due to me being blind. I just want >>>>>> someone >>>>>> to give me a chance because I know I can do the work. >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> ______________________________****_________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>>> >>>>> hope.paulos%40gmail.com>>>> nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%**40gmail.com >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ______________________________****_________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>>> >>>>> gloria.graves%40gmail.co>>>> nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.**graves%40gmail.co >>>>> > >>>>> m >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________****_________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>> hope.paulos%40gmail.com>>>> nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%**40gmail.com >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________****_________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>> gloria.graves%40gmail.com>>>> nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.**graves%40gmail.com >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________****_________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> >>>> > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>> daviddod%40buffalo.edu>>> nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%**40buffalo.edu >>>> > >>>> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>> gloria.graves%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> daviddod%40buffalo.edu >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From mistydbradley at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 00:49:05 2012 From: mistydbradley at gmail.com (Misty Dawn Bradley) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 20:49:05 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting References: <46F7896E7B4D4E5499A195CEC5CBACBE@Gloria><032b01cd742e$95f1ecb0$c1d5c610$@gmail.com><943949334A0D45B082C2B14DD2703CA1@Gloria><003001cd7431$f593b510$e0bb1f30$@gmail.com><31513C28028148D1AAE62DC957F1BBC8@Gloria> <0CD15F79C99B43468A11D866055E71A3@Gloria> Message-ID: <0D19AAEBB7C843DA9161953E67872631@acerd37f251f21> Hi, I also ran into the same issue when applying for a full-time position with AmeriCorps. The people conducting the interview kept emphasizing the paperwork, and I tried to explain that there are ways that I could do the paperwork, but I still did not get the position. It surprised me, because I worked in that same office and turned in all reports and paperwork on time, although I had a different supervisor and it was a different program. I think part of it was that I did not have experience in the area of the position, but I also think part of it was the paperwork, because that point was emphasized indirectly during the interview. Thanks, Misty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gloria G" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:41 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting > Hi, > I am not offended or anything by the questions that are asked. I am just > upset that I am not given a chance. It is almost as if the employer has > decided what I can and can not do the minute I walk in the door with my > cane. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Dodge" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:36 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting > > >> Gloria, >> It definitely sounds like you are going about things the right way. >> >> I would try not to get discouraged or be concerned by the questions the >> interviewer is asking. It is definitely not a bad thing for a blind >> person >> to help a sighted person better understand how the employment would work. >> Think of it as an opportunity for you to advocate and teach the potential >> employer something. >> >> The best that can be done is what you are doing - honestly answering >> questions and explaining things. >> >> David >> ---------------------------------- >> David Dodge >> Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson >> English Major >> University at Buffalo >> 306 Clemens Hall >> Buffalo, NY 14260 >> daviddod at buffalo.edu >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Gloria G wrote: >> >>> Hi Hope, >>> Did you go to get your masters in rehab counseling? I have also thought >>> of >>> getting a masters in rehab counseling. >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" >>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" < >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:16 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>> >>> >>> No. I'm currently hunting for a job as well. I just answered them as >>> you >>>> do, >>>> explaining how I would do certain things and giving examples. I applied >>>> for >>>> a vocational rehabilitation counselor I. position and I would be >>>> working >>>> with individuals with disabilities as well as mental health diagnoses. >>>> Nothing offends me so they can ask any question they want regarding my >>>> blindness. It's just a matter of overcoming the stereotypes put on us >>>> by >>>> people who don't know what we really can do. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org] >>>> On Behalf >>>> Of Gloria G >>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:13 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>> >>>> Hi Hope, >>>> Do you currently work? If so how did you get around those questions? >>>> Thanks >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" >>>> >>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>> >>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 6:52 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Gloria. I think you're taking the right approach. I always disclose >>>> my >>>>> blindness (it's hard for them not to see that I'm blind because of my >>>>> guide >>>>> dog). I'd just continue to advocate for yourself as far as working >>>>> with >>>>> at >>>>> risk youth. >>>>> Hope >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org] >>>>> On >>>>> Behalf >>>>> Of Gloria G >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:24 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> I was wondering how do you handle interviews when the talk of >>>>> blindness >>>>> comes up? I have had some interviews and in some cases the interviewer >>>>> does >>>>> not bring up my blindness, but I know it is something that is very >>>>> noticable >>>>> as soon as I walk in the door. I try to remain calm and answer the >>>>> questions >>>>> that pertain to the position I am applying for and I discuss how I >>>>> would >>>>> handle these tasks despite my blindness. There are those interviewers >>>>> who >>>>> just come right out and ask how I am going to complete the task >>>>> required >>>>> of >>>>> me as a blind person. I answer and give examples of how I would >>>>> complete >>>>> the >>>>> tasks. I guess I should have started out by saying I am a psychology >>>>> and >>>>> sociology double major and want to work with at risk youth as a >>>>> counselor. >>>>> Because I do not yet have my degree I am trying to gain as much >>>>> experience >>>>> as possible because this is what future employers will be looking for, >>>>> but >>>>> the problem I run into is there are many organizations that work with >>>>> at >>>>> risk youth in the town I live in, but there is always the question of >>>>> how >>>>> I >>>>> am going to work with the youth as a blind person. I have also thought >>>>> of >>>>> doing any work that envolved providing services to youth, women, >>>>> families >>>>> such as, homeless shelters and things of that nature. I am just >>>>> feeling >>>>> defeated at this point, because every door I have opened has closed >>>>> shut >>>>> in >>>>> my face, and it only seems to be due to me being blind. I just want >>>>> someone >>>>> to give me a chance because I know I can do the work. >>>>> Thanks >>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>> hope.paulos%40gmail.com >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>> gloria.graves%40gmail.co >>>> m >>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>> hope.paulos%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>> gloria.graves%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>> daviddod%40buffalo.edu >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com From gloria.graves at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 01:05:29 2012 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 20:05:29 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting References: <46F7896E7B4D4E5499A195CEC5CBACBE@Gloria><032b01cd742e$95f1ecb0$c1d5c610$@gmail.com><943949334A0D45B082C2B14DD2703CA1@Gloria><003001cd7431$f593b510$e0bb1f30$@gmail.com><31513C28028148D1AAE62DC957F1BBC8@Gloria><0CD15F79C99B43468A11D866055E71A3@Gloria> <0D19AAEBB7C843DA9161953E67872631@acerd37f251f21> Message-ID: <9904B75A033049CA85A9FBD3380033D6@Gloria> Hi, What I find interesting is the organizations that provide services to persons with disabilities and tell the clients they can do whatever they put their minds to as long as they work hard and advicate for themselves, turn away a blind person because they feel we are unable to complete tasks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Misty Dawn Bradley" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting > Hi, > I also ran into the same issue when applying for a full-time position with > AmeriCorps. The people conducting the interview kept emphasizing the > paperwork, and I tried to explain that there are ways that I could do the > paperwork, but I still did not get the position. It surprised me, because > I worked in that same office and turned in all reports and paperwork on > time, although I had a different supervisor and it was a different > program. I think part of it was that I did not have experience in the area > of the position, but I also think part of it was the paperwork, because > that point was emphasized indirectly during the interview. > Thanks, > Misty > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gloria G" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:41 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting > > >> Hi, >> I am not offended or anything by the questions that are asked. I am just >> upset that I am not given a chance. It is almost as if the employer has >> decided what I can and can not do the minute I walk in the door with my >> cane. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Dodge" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:36 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >> >> >>> Gloria, >>> It definitely sounds like you are going about things the right way. >>> >>> I would try not to get discouraged or be concerned by the questions the >>> interviewer is asking. It is definitely not a bad thing for a blind >>> person >>> to help a sighted person better understand how the employment would >>> work. >>> Think of it as an opportunity for you to advocate and teach the >>> potential >>> employer something. >>> >>> The best that can be done is what you are doing - honestly answering >>> questions and explaining things. >>> >>> David >>> ---------------------------------- >>> David Dodge >>> Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson >>> English Major >>> University at Buffalo >>> 306 Clemens Hall >>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Gloria G >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Hope, >>>> Did you go to get your masters in rehab counseling? I have also thought >>>> of >>>> getting a masters in rehab counseling. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" >>>> >>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" < >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:16 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>> >>>> >>>> No. I'm currently hunting for a job as well. I just answered them as >>>> you >>>>> do, >>>>> explaining how I would do certain things and giving examples. I >>>>> applied >>>>> for >>>>> a vocational rehabilitation counselor I. position and I would be >>>>> working >>>>> with individuals with disabilities as well as mental health >>>>> diagnoses. >>>>> Nothing offends me so they can ask any question they want regarding my >>>>> blindness. It's just a matter of overcoming the stereotypes put on us >>>>> by >>>>> people who don't know what we really can do. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org] >>>>> On Behalf >>>>> Of Gloria G >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:13 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>> >>>>> Hi Hope, >>>>> Do you currently work? If so how did you get around those questions? >>>>> Thanks >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" >>>>> >>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>>> >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 6:52 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi Gloria. I think you're taking the right approach. I always >>>>> disclose my >>>>>> blindness (it's hard for them not to see that I'm blind because of >>>>>> my >>>>>> guide >>>>>> dog). I'd just continue to advocate for yourself as far as working >>>>>> with >>>>>> at >>>>>> risk youth. >>>>>> Hope >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org] >>>>>> On >>>>>> Behalf >>>>>> Of Gloria G >>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:24 PM >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>> I was wondering how do you handle interviews when the talk of >>>>>> blindness >>>>>> comes up? I have had some interviews and in some cases the >>>>>> interviewer >>>>>> does >>>>>> not bring up my blindness, but I know it is something that is very >>>>>> noticable >>>>>> as soon as I walk in the door. I try to remain calm and answer the >>>>>> questions >>>>>> that pertain to the position I am applying for and I discuss how I >>>>>> would >>>>>> handle these tasks despite my blindness. There are those interviewers >>>>>> who >>>>>> just come right out and ask how I am going to complete the task >>>>>> required >>>>>> of >>>>>> me as a blind person. I answer and give examples of how I would >>>>>> complete >>>>>> the >>>>>> tasks. I guess I should have started out by saying I am a psychology >>>>>> and >>>>>> sociology double major and want to work with at risk youth as a >>>>>> counselor. >>>>>> Because I do not yet have my degree I am trying to gain as much >>>>>> experience >>>>>> as possible because this is what future employers will be looking >>>>>> for, >>>>>> but >>>>>> the problem I run into is there are many organizations that work with >>>>>> at >>>>>> risk youth in the town I live in, but there is always the question of >>>>>> how >>>>>> I >>>>>> am going to work with the youth as a blind person. I have also >>>>>> thought of >>>>>> doing any work that envolved providing services to youth, women, >>>>>> families >>>>>> such as, homeless shelters and things of that nature. I am just >>>>>> feeling >>>>>> defeated at this point, because every door I have opened has closed >>>>>> shut >>>>>> in >>>>>> my face, and it only seems to be due to me being blind. I just want >>>>>> someone >>>>>> to give me a chance because I know I can do the work. >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>> hope.paulos%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>> gloria.graves%40gmail.co >>>>> m >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>> hope.paulos%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>> gloria.graves%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>> daviddod%40buffalo.edu >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From hope.paulos at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 01:18:49 2012 From: hope.paulos at gmail.com (Hope Paulos) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 21:18:49 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting In-Reply-To: <9904B75A033049CA85A9FBD3380033D6@Gloria> References: <46F7896E7B4D4E5499A195CEC5CBACBE@Gloria><032b01cd742e$95f1ecb0$c1d5c610$@gmail.com><943949334A0D45B082C2B14DD2703CA1@Gloria><003001cd7431$f593b510$e0bb1f30$@gmail.com><31513C28028148D1AAE62DC957F1BBC8@Gloria><0CD15F79C99B43468A11D866055E71A3@Gloria> <0D19AAEBB7C843DA9161953E67872631@acerd37f251f21> <9904B75A033049CA85A9FBD3380033D6@Gloria> Message-ID: <000c01cd743a$9a46aa60$ced3ff20$@gmail.com> I couldn't agree more. Well said!!! There was an instance where I had applied for an interpreter work-at-home position and I had the skills and passed the language part of the interview with flying colors. As soon as I mentioned I was blind I was told that I couldn't use a computer to take notes, but sighted people could use pencils. I was told I wouldn't be a good fit because I had to take breaks to take my dog outside. It was blatent discrimination. Needless to say I filed a complaint with department of justice and they got called out. I don't think they'll be doing anything like that again. Just keep advocating!! Hope -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gloria G Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 9:05 PM To: Misty Dawn Bradley; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting Hi, What I find interesting is the organizations that provide services to persons with disabilities and tell the clients they can do whatever they put their minds to as long as they work hard and advicate for themselves, turn away a blind person because they feel we are unable to complete tasks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Misty Dawn Bradley" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting > Hi, > I also ran into the same issue when applying for a full-time position > with AmeriCorps. The people conducting the interview kept emphasizing > the paperwork, and I tried to explain that there are ways that I could > do the paperwork, but I still did not get the position. It surprised > me, because I worked in that same office and turned in all reports and > paperwork on time, although I had a different supervisor and it was a > different program. I think part of it was that I did not have > experience in the area of the position, but I also think part of it > was the paperwork, because that point was emphasized indirectly during the interview. > Thanks, > Misty > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gloria G" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:41 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting > > >> Hi, >> I am not offended or anything by the questions that are asked. I am >> just upset that I am not given a chance. It is almost as if the >> employer has decided what I can and can not do the minute I walk in >> the door with my cane. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Dodge" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:36 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >> >> >>> Gloria, >>> It definitely sounds like you are going about things the right way. >>> >>> I would try not to get discouraged or be concerned by the questions >>> the interviewer is asking. It is definitely not a bad thing for a >>> blind person to help a sighted person better understand how the >>> employment would work. >>> Think of it as an opportunity for you to advocate and teach the >>> potential employer something. >>> >>> The best that can be done is what you are doing - honestly answering >>> questions and explaining things. >>> >>> David >>> ---------------------------------- >>> David Dodge >>> Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson English Major >>> University at Buffalo >>> 306 Clemens Hall >>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Gloria G >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Hope, >>>> Did you go to get your masters in rehab counseling? I have also >>>> thought of getting a masters in rehab counseling. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" >>>> >>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" < >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:16 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>> >>>> >>>> No. I'm currently hunting for a job as well. I just answered them >>>> as you >>>>> do, >>>>> explaining how I would do certain things and giving examples. I >>>>> applied for a vocational rehabilitation counselor I. position and >>>>> I would be working with individuals with disabilities as well as >>>>> mental health diagnoses. >>>>> Nothing offends me so they can ask any question they want >>>>> regarding my blindness. It's just a matter of overcoming the >>>>> stereotypes put on us by people who don't know what we really can >>>>> do. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org] >>>>> On Behalf >>>>> Of Gloria G >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:13 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>> >>>>> Hi Hope, >>>>> Do you currently work? If so how did you get around those questions? >>>>> Thanks >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" >>>>> >>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>>> >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 6:52 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi Gloria. I think you're taking the right approach. I always >>>>> disclose my >>>>>> blindness (it's hard for them not to see that I'm blind because >>>>>> of my guide dog). I'd just continue to advocate for yourself as >>>>>> far as working with at risk youth. >>>>>> Hope >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org] >>>>>> On >>>>>> Behalf >>>>>> Of Gloria G >>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:24 PM >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>> I was wondering how do you handle interviews when the talk of >>>>>> blindness comes up? I have had some interviews and in some cases >>>>>> the interviewer does not bring up my blindness, but I know it is >>>>>> something that is very noticable as soon as I walk in the door. I >>>>>> try to remain calm and answer the questions that pertain to the >>>>>> position I am applying for and I discuss how I would handle these >>>>>> tasks despite my blindness. There are those interviewers who just >>>>>> come right out and ask how I am going to complete the task >>>>>> required of me as a blind person. I answer and give examples of >>>>>> how I would complete the tasks. I guess I should have started out >>>>>> by saying I am a psychology and sociology double major and want >>>>>> to work with at risk youth as a counselor. >>>>>> Because I do not yet have my degree I am trying to gain as much >>>>>> experience as possible because this is what future employers will >>>>>> be looking for, but the problem I run into is there are many >>>>>> organizations that work with at risk youth in the town I live in, >>>>>> but there is always the question of how I am going to work with >>>>>> the youth as a blind person. I have also thought of doing any >>>>>> work that envolved providing services to youth, women, families >>>>>> such as, homeless shelters and things of that nature. I am just >>>>>> feeling defeated at this point, because every door I have opened >>>>>> has closed shut in my face, and it only seems to be due to me >>>>>> being blind. I just want someone to give me a chance because I >>>>>> know I can do the work. >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org>>>>> net.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>> hope.paulos%40gmail.com>>>> fbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org>>>>> net.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>> gloria.graves%40gmail.co>>>> nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.co> >>>>> m >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org>>>> et.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>> hope.paulos%40gmail.com>>>> fbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org>>>> et.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>> gloria.graves%40gmail.com>>>> _nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org>>> t.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>> daviddod%40buffalo.edu>>> net.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40 >>> gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40g >> mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gm > ail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com From daviddod at buffalo.edu Tue Aug 7 01:26:56 2012 From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 21:26:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting In-Reply-To: <3540CBA9B6044611BB2EB5E13D849D13@Gloria> References: <46F7896E7B4D4E5499A195CEC5CBACBE@Gloria> <032b01cd742e$95f1ecb0$c1d5c610$@gmail.com> <943949334A0D45B082C2B14DD2703CA1@Gloria> <003001cd7431$f593b510$e0bb1f30$@gmail.com> <31513C28028148D1AAE62DC957F1BBC8@Gloria> <0CD15F79C99B43468A11D866055E71A3@Gloria> <3540CBA9B6044611BB2EB5E13D849D13@Gloria> Message-ID: I am not though I will be in May of next year. David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:51 PM, Gloria G wrote: > Hi Dave, > Are you currently looking for employment? > ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dodge" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" < > nabs-l at nfbnet.org> > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:46 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting > > > It is unfortunate how people act and react sometimes. Soon, you will find >> an employer that will base his or her decision solely upon skill. That is >> the way it should be anyways but your right it isn't always. >> >> David >> ------------------------------**---- >> David Dodge >> Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson >> English Major >> University at Buffalo >> 306 Clemens Hall >> Buffalo, NY 14260 >> daviddod at buffalo.edu >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:41 PM, Gloria G wrote: >> >> Hi, >>> I am not offended or anything by the questions that are asked. I am just >>> upset that I am not given a chance. It is almost as if the employer has >>> decided what I can and can not do the minute I walk in the door with my >>> cane. >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dodge" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" < >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:36 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>> >>> >>> Gloria, >>> >>>> It definitely sounds like you are going about things the right way. >>>> >>>> I would try not to get discouraged or be concerned by the questions the >>>> interviewer is asking. It is definitely not a bad thing for a blind >>>> person >>>> to help a sighted person better understand how the employment would >>>> work. >>>> Think of it as an opportunity for you to advocate and teach the >>>> potential >>>> employer something. >>>> >>>> The best that can be done is what you are doing - honestly answering >>>> questions and explaining things. >>>> >>>> David >>>> ------------------------------****---- >>>> David Dodge >>>> Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson >>>> English Major >>>> University at Buffalo >>>> 306 Clemens Hall >>>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Gloria G >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Hope, >>>> >>>>> Did you go to get your masters in rehab counseling? I have also thought >>>>> of >>>>> getting a masters in rehab counseling. >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" < >>>>> hope.paulos at gmail.com> >>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" < >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:16 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> No. I'm currently hunting for a job as well. I just answered them as >>>>> you >>>>> >>>>> do, >>>>>> explaining how I would do certain things and giving examples. I >>>>>> applied >>>>>> for >>>>>> a vocational rehabilitation counselor I. position and I would be >>>>>> working >>>>>> with individuals with disabilities as well as mental health >>>>>> diagnoses. >>>>>> Nothing offends me so they can ask any question they want regarding my >>>>>> blindness. It's just a matter of overcoming the stereotypes put on us >>>>>> by >>>>>> people who don't know what we really can do. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.** >>>>>> ****org< >>>>>> nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org >] >>>>>> On Behalf >>>>>> Of Gloria G >>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:13 PM >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Hope, >>>>>> Do you currently work? If so how did you get around those questions? >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" < >>>>>> hope.paulos at gmail.com >>>>>> > >>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 6:52 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Gloria. I think you're taking the right approach. I always >>>>>> disclose >>>>>> my >>>>>> >>>>>> blindness (it's hard for them not to see that I'm blind because of >>>>>>> my >>>>>>> guide >>>>>>> dog). I'd just continue to advocate for yourself as far as working >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> at >>>>>>> risk youth. >>>>>>> Hope >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.** >>>>>>> ****org< >>>>>>> nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org >] >>>>>>> On >>>>>>> Behalf >>>>>>> Of Gloria G >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:24 PM >>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>> I was wondering how do you handle interviews when the talk of >>>>>>> blindness >>>>>>> comes up? I have had some interviews and in some cases the >>>>>>> interviewer >>>>>>> does >>>>>>> not bring up my blindness, but I know it is something that is very >>>>>>> noticable >>>>>>> as soon as I walk in the door. I try to remain calm and answer the >>>>>>> questions >>>>>>> that pertain to the position I am applying for and I discuss how I >>>>>>> would >>>>>>> handle these tasks despite my blindness. There are those interviewers >>>>>>> who >>>>>>> just come right out and ask how I am going to complete the task >>>>>>> required >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> me as a blind person. I answer and give examples of how I would >>>>>>> complete >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> tasks. I guess I should have started out by saying I am a psychology >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> sociology double major and want to work with at risk youth as a >>>>>>> counselor. >>>>>>> Because I do not yet have my degree I am trying to gain as much >>>>>>> experience >>>>>>> as possible because this is what future employers will be looking >>>>>>> for, >>>>>>> but >>>>>>> the problem I run into is there are many organizations that work with >>>>>>> at >>>>>>> risk youth in the town I live in, but there is always the question of >>>>>>> how >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> am going to work with the youth as a blind person. I have also >>>>>>> thought >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> doing any work that envolved providing services to youth, women, >>>>>>> families >>>>>>> such as, homeless shelters and things of that nature. I am just >>>>>>> feeling >>>>>>> defeated at this point, because every door I have opened has closed >>>>>>> shut >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> my face, and it only seems to be due to me being blind. I just want >>>>>>> someone >>>>>>> to give me a chance because I know I can do the work. >>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>> ______________________________******_________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/******listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/******options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> hope.paulos%40gmail.com >>>>>> nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%****40gmail.com>>>>> org/mailman/options/nabs-l_**nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%**40gmail.com >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> ______________________________******_________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/******listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/******options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> gloria.graves%40gmail.co >>>>>> nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.****graves%40gmail.co >>>>>> >>>>> graves%40gmail.co >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> m >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ______________________________******_________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/******listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/******options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>>> hope.paulos%40gmail.com >>>>>> nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%****40gmail.com>>>>> org/mailman/options/nabs-l_**nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%**40gmail.com >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ______________________________******_________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/******listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/******options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>>> gloria.graves%40gmail.com<**http**://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/** >>>>>> nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.****graves%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>> graves%40gmail.com >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> ______________________________******_________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/******listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/******options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> daviddod%40buffalo.edu >>>>> nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%****40buffalo.edu>>>> org/mailman/options/nabs-l_**nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.**edu >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________****_________________ >>>>> >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> >>>> > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>> gloria.graves%40gmail.com>>> nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.**graves%40gmail.com >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>> >>> ______________________________****_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>> > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>> daviddod%40buffalo.edu>> nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%**40buffalo.edu >>> > >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> gloria.graves%40gmail.com >> > > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > daviddod%40buffalo.edu > From dwebster125 at comcast.net Tue Aug 7 01:41:59 2012 From: dwebster125 at comcast.net (Dave Webster) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 20:41:59 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting In-Reply-To: References: <46F7896E7B4D4E5499A195CEC5CBACBE@Gloria> <032b01cd742e$95f1ecb0$c1d5c610$@gmail.com> <943949334A0D45B082C2B14DD2703CA1@Gloria> <003001cd7431$f593b510$e0bb1f30$@gmail.com> <31513C28028148D1AAE62DC957F1BBC8@Gloria> <0CD15F79C99B43468A11D866055E71A3@Gloria> Message-ID: <002401cd743d$d7172de0$854589a0$@net> Hello my name is Dave. I thought I'd post to this thread because I myself am job hunting as well. I am from Arkansas and have never worked before. I had a job at the lighthouse for the blind out here but the job was too hard physically. One of the problems I'm havning is that division services for the blind won't help me with anything because I have bipolar. I live in a residential facility and the councilor basically thinks that I'm not stable enough to work. I believe I am and my therapist at my program that I gto during the day thinks the same as well. Basically because I live in a facility and don't live on my own division services won't help me with anything so. I don't know if any of you have ever had problems like that but some times its really really hard dealing with vocational rehab.-----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Dodge Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:46 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting It is unfortunate how people act and react sometimes. Soon, you will find an employer that will base his or her decision solely upon skill. That is the way it should be anyways but your right it isn't always. David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:41 PM, Gloria G wrote: > Hi, > I am not offended or anything by the questions that are asked. I am > just upset that I am not given a chance. It is almost as if the > employer has decided what I can and can not do the minute I walk in > the door with my cane. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dodge" > > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" < > nabs-l at nfbnet.org> > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:36 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting > > > Gloria, >> It definitely sounds like you are going about things the right way. >> >> I would try not to get discouraged or be concerned by the questions >> the interviewer is asking. It is definitely not a bad thing for a >> blind person to help a sighted person better understand how the employment would work. >> Think of it as an opportunity for you to advocate and teach the >> potential employer something. >> >> The best that can be done is what you are doing - honestly answering >> questions and explaining things. >> >> David >> ------------------------------**---- >> David Dodge >> Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson English Major >> University at Buffalo >> 306 Clemens Hall >> Buffalo, NY 14260 >> daviddod at buffalo.edu >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Gloria G wrote: >> >> Hi Hope, >>> Did you go to get your masters in rehab counseling? I have also >>> thought of getting a masters in rehab counseling. >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" >>> >>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" < >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:16 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>> >>> >>> No. I'm currently hunting for a job as well. I just answered them >>> as you >>> >>>> do, >>>> explaining how I would do certain things and giving examples. I >>>> applied for a vocational rehabilitation counselor I. position and I >>>> would be working with individuals with disabilities as well as >>>> mental health diagnoses. >>>> Nothing offends me so they can ask any question they want regarding >>>> my blindness. It's just a matter of overcoming the stereotypes put >>>> on us by people who don't know what we really can do. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.****org< >>>> nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org >] On Behalf >>>> Of Gloria G >>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:13 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>> >>>> Hi Hope, >>>> Do you currently work? If so how did you get around those questions? >>>> Thanks >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" >>>> >>> > >>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>> >>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 6:52 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Gloria. I think you're taking the right approach. I always >>>> disclose my >>>> >>>>> blindness (it's hard for them not to see that I'm blind because >>>>> of my guide dog). I'd just continue to advocate for yourself as >>>>> far as working with at risk youth. >>>>> Hope >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.****org< >>>>> nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org >] On >>>>> Behalf Of Gloria G >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:24 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> I was wondering how do you handle interviews when the talk of >>>>> blindness comes up? I have had some interviews and in some cases >>>>> the interviewer does not bring up my blindness, but I know it is >>>>> something that is very noticable as soon as I walk in the door. I >>>>> try to remain calm and answer the questions that pertain to the >>>>> position I am applying for and I discuss how I would handle these >>>>> tasks despite my blindness. There are those interviewers who just >>>>> come right out and ask how I am going to complete the task >>>>> required of me as a blind person. I answer and give examples of >>>>> how I would complete the tasks. I guess I should have started out >>>>> by saying I am a psychology and sociology double major and want to >>>>> work with at risk youth as a counselor. >>>>> Because I do not yet have my degree I am trying to gain as much >>>>> experience as possible because this is what future employers will >>>>> be looking for, but the problem I run into is there are many >>>>> organizations that work with at risk youth in the town I live in, >>>>> but there is always the question of how I am going to work with >>>>> the youth as a blind person. I have also thought of doing any work >>>>> that envolved providing services to youth, women, families such >>>>> as, homeless shelters and things of that nature. I am just feeling >>>>> defeated at this point, because every door I have opened has >>>>> closed shut in my face, and it only seems to be due to me being >>>>> blind. I just want someone to give me a chance because I know I >>>>> can do the work. >>>>> Thanks >>>>> ______________________________****_________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org>>>> bnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >>>>> >>>> fbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >>>>> > >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**>>>> nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**> >>>>> >>>> hope.paulos%40gmail.com>>> nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%**40gmail.com>>> an/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________****_________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org>>>> bnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> 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To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > daviddod%40buffalo.edu .org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu> > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dwebster125%40comcast.ne t From zerone1683 at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 02:03:07 2012 From: zerone1683 at gmail.com (Chun Chao) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 19:03:07 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting In-Reply-To: <002401cd743d$d7172de0$854589a0$@net> References: <46F7896E7B4D4E5499A195CEC5CBACBE@Gloria> <032b01cd742e$95f1ecb0$c1d5c610$@gmail.com> <943949334A0D45B082C2B14DD2703CA1@Gloria> <003001cd7431$f593b510$e0bb1f30$@gmail.com> <31513C28028148D1AAE62DC957F1BBC8@Gloria> <0CD15F79C99B43468A11D866055E71A3@Gloria> <002401cd743d$d7172de0$854589a0$@net> Message-ID: <000001cd7440$cc1946f0$644bd4d0$@com> Hello Dave: I believe just about everyone who has dealt with rehab has had some form of disgruntled treatment or another. For example, our chapter has a student who is also a mother of five (yes, 5) sighted children ranging from toddler to teenager and she is going for a degree in social work in that she wants to be able to work with children in either daycares or nurseries. Unfortunately, rehab asked her to get references from at least five or six social work related agencies to prove that she is employable as a blind social worker. Now, I do not quite understand what rehab is asking her to do when they can just visit her home and see that she has raised five healthy children as a single mother. C.C. Alan -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dave Webster Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 6:42 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting Hello my name is Dave. I thought I'd post to this thread because I myself am job hunting as well. I am from Arkansas and have never worked before. I had a job at the lighthouse for the blind out here but the job was too hard physically. One of the problems I'm havning is that division services for the blind won't help me with anything because I have bipolar. I live in a residential facility and the councilor basically thinks that I'm not stable enough to work. I believe I am and my therapist at my program that I gto during the day thinks the same as well. Basically because I live in a facility and don't live on my own division services won't help me with anything so. I don't know if any of you have ever had problems like that but some times its really really hard dealing with vocational rehab.-----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Dodge Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:46 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting It is unfortunate how people act and react sometimes. Soon, you will find an employer that will base his or her decision solely upon skill. That is the way it should be anyways but your right it isn't always. David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:41 PM, Gloria G wrote: > Hi, > I am not offended or anything by the questions that are asked. I am > just upset that I am not given a chance. It is almost as if the > employer has decided what I can and can not do the minute I walk in > the door with my cane. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dodge" > > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" < > nabs-l at nfbnet.org> > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:36 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting > > > Gloria, >> It definitely sounds like you are going about things the right way. >> >> I would try not to get discouraged or be concerned by the questions >> the interviewer is asking. It is definitely not a bad thing for a >> blind person to help a sighted person better understand how the employment would work. >> Think of it as an opportunity for you to advocate and teach the >> potential employer something. >> >> The best that can be done is what you are doing - honestly answering >> questions and explaining things. >> >> David >> ------------------------------**---- >> David Dodge >> Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson English Major >> University at Buffalo >> 306 Clemens Hall >> Buffalo, NY 14260 >> daviddod at buffalo.edu >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Gloria G wrote: >> >> Hi Hope, >>> Did you go to get your masters in rehab counseling? I have also >>> thought of getting a masters in rehab counseling. >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" >>> >>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" < >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:16 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>> >>> >>> No. I'm currently hunting for a job as well. I just answered them >>> as you >>> >>>> do, >>>> explaining how I would do certain things and giving examples. I >>>> applied for a vocational rehabilitation counselor I. position and I >>>> would be working with individuals with disabilities as well as >>>> mental health diagnoses. >>>> Nothing offends me so they can ask any question they want regarding >>>> my blindness. It's just a matter of overcoming the stereotypes put >>>> on us by people who don't know what we really can do. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.****org< >>>> nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org >] On Behalf >>>> Of Gloria G >>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:13 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>> >>>> Hi Hope, >>>> Do you currently work? If so how did you get around those questions? >>>> Thanks >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" >>>> >>> > >>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>> >>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 6:52 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Gloria. I think you're taking the right approach. I always >>>> disclose my >>>> >>>>> blindness (it's hard for them not to see that I'm blind because >>>>> of my guide dog). I'd just continue to advocate for yourself as >>>>> far as working with at risk youth. >>>>> Hope >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.****org< >>>>> nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org >] On >>>>> Behalf Of Gloria G >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:24 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> I was wondering how do you handle interviews when the talk of >>>>> blindness comes up? I have had some interviews and in some cases >>>>> the interviewer does not bring up my blindness, but I know it is >>>>> something that is very noticable as soon as I walk in the door. I >>>>> try to remain calm and answer the questions that pertain to the >>>>> position I am applying for and I discuss how I would handle these >>>>> tasks despite my blindness. There are those interviewers who just >>>>> come right out and ask how I am going to complete the task >>>>> required of me as a blind person. I answer and give examples of >>>>> how I would complete the tasks. I guess I should have started out >>>>> by saying I am a psychology and sociology double major and want to >>>>> work with at risk youth as a counselor. >>>>> Because I do not yet have my degree I am trying to gain as much >>>>> experience as possible because this is what future employers will >>>>> be looking for, but the problem I run into is there are many >>>>> organizations that work with at risk youth in the town I live in, >>>>> but there is always the question of how I am going to work with >>>>> the youth as a blind person. I have also thought of doing any work >>>>> that envolved providing services to youth, women, families such >>>>> as, homeless shelters and things of that nature. I am just feeling >>>>> defeated at this point, because every door I have opened has >>>>> closed shut in my face, and it only seems to be due to me being >>>>> blind. I just want someone to give me a chance because I know I >>>>> can do the work. >>>>> Thanks >>>>> ______________________________****_________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org>>>> bnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >>>>> >>>> fbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >>>>> > >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**>>>> nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**> >>>>> >>>> hope.paulos%40gmail.com>>> nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%**40gmail.com>>> an/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________****_________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org>>>> bnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >>>>> >>>> fbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >>>>> > >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**>>>> nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**> >>>>> >>>> gloria.graves%40gmail.co>>> nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.**graves%40gmail.co>>> man/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.co> >>>> > >>>> m >>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________****_________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org>>> net.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >>>> >>> bnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >>>> > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**>>> fbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**> >>>> hope.paulos%40gmail.com>>> nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%**40gmail.com>>> an/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________****_________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org>>> net.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >>>> >>> bnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >>>> > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**>>> fbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**> >>>> gloria.graves%40gmail.com>>> nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.**graves%40gmail.com>>> lman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>> >>> ______________________________****_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org>> et.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >>> >> net.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >>> > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**>> bnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**> >>> daviddod%40buffalo.edu>> nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%**40buffalo.edu>> /options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu> >>> > >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> gloria.graves%40gmail.com> bnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com> >> > > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org rg/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > daviddod%40buffalo.edu .org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu> > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dwebster125%40comcast.ne t _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zerone1683%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue Aug 7 02:10:05 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 22:10:05 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting In-Reply-To: <46F7896E7B4D4E5499A195CEC5CBACBE@Gloria> References: <46F7896E7B4D4E5499A195CEC5CBACBE@Gloria> Message-ID: <5BF1E3FA4B1C423AB937C157261A201C@OwnerPC> Gloria, I think you should answer the questions focusing on strengths like anyone else. If it’s a job task, you can talk about how you'd do the work when answering the question. What are you seeking to do and for how long? Are these volunteer positions? I would guess so if you do not have a degree. Keep trying. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Gloria G Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:24 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting Hi all, I was wondering how do you handle interviews when the talk of blindness comes up? I have had some interviews and in some cases the interviewer does not bring up my blindness, but I know it is something that is very noticable as soon as I walk in the door. I try to remain calm and answer the questions that pertain to the position I am applying for and I discuss how I would handle these tasks despite my blindness. There are those interviewers who just come right out and ask how I am going to complete the task required of me as a blind person. I answer and give examples of how I would complete the tasks. I guess I should have started out by saying I am a psychology and sociology double major and want to work with at risk youth as a counselor. Because I do not yet have my degree I am trying to gain as much experience as possible because this is what future employers will be looking for, but the problem I run into is there are many organizations that work with at risk youth in the town I live in, but there is always the question of how I am going to work with the youth as a blind person. I have also thought of doing any work that envolved providing services to youth, women, families such as, homeless shelters and things of that nature. I am just feeling defeated at this point, because every door I have opened has closed shut in my face, and it only seems to be due to me being blind. I just want someone to give me a chance because I know I can do the work. Thanks _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From freethaught at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 02:11:14 2012 From: freethaught at gmail.com (Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr.) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 22:11:14 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting In-Reply-To: <0CD15F79C99B43468A11D866055E71A3@Gloria> References: <46F7896E7B4D4E5499A195CEC5CBACBE@Gloria><032b01cd742e$95f1ecb0$c1d5c610$@gmail.com><943949334A0D45B082C2B14DD2703CA1@Gloria><003001cd7431$f593b510$e0bb1f30$@gmail.com><31513C28028148D1AAE62DC957F1BBC8@Gloria> <0CD15F79C99B43468A11D866055E71A3@Gloria> Message-ID: I realize discrimination is more more common than any of us would like it to be. However, I would hate to work with ill-intentioned, ill-informed, ignorant people who choose to have an attitude of discrimination all together. If a company, or manager is not going to look on me as a fully capable candidate the minute they see my cane, they are likely not going to be converted over to being reasonable to have as the co-worker of another blind person. Antonio On Aug 6, 2012, at 8:41 PM, Gloria G wrote: > Hi, > I am not offended or anything by the questions that are asked. I am just upset that I am not given a chance. It is almost as if the employer has decided what I can and can not do the minute I walk in the door with my cane. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dodge" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:36 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting > > >> Gloria, >> It definitely sounds like you are going about things the right way. >> >> I would try not to get discouraged or be concerned by the questions the >> interviewer is asking. It is definitely not a bad thing for a blind person >> to help a sighted person better understand how the employment would work. >> Think of it as an opportunity for you to advocate and teach the potential >> employer something. >> >> The best that can be done is what you are doing - honestly answering >> questions and explaining things. >> >> David >> ---------------------------------- >> David Dodge >> Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson >> English Major >> University at Buffalo >> 306 Clemens Hall >> Buffalo, NY 14260 >> daviddod at buffalo.edu >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Gloria G wrote: >> >>> Hi Hope, >>> Did you go to get your masters in rehab counseling? I have also thought of >>> getting a masters in rehab counseling. >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" >>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" < >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:16 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>> >>> >>> No. I'm currently hunting for a job as well. I just answered them as you >>>> do, >>>> explaining how I would do certain things and giving examples. I applied >>>> for >>>> a vocational rehabilitation counselor I. position and I would be working >>>> with individuals with disabilities as well as mental health diagnoses. >>>> Nothing offends me so they can ask any question they want regarding my >>>> blindness. It's just a matter of overcoming the stereotypes put on us by >>>> people who don't know what we really can do. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org] >>>> On Behalf >>>> Of Gloria G >>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:13 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>> >>>> Hi Hope, >>>> Do you currently work? If so how did you get around those questions? >>>> Thanks >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" >>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>> >>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 6:52 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Gloria. I think you're taking the right approach. I always disclose my >>>>> blindness (it's hard for them not to see that I'm blind because of my >>>>> guide >>>>> dog). I'd just continue to advocate for yourself as far as working with >>>>> at >>>>> risk youth. >>>>> Hope >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org] >>>>> On >>>>> Behalf >>>>> Of Gloria G >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:24 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> I was wondering how do you handle interviews when the talk of blindness >>>>> comes up? I have had some interviews and in some cases the interviewer >>>>> does >>>>> not bring up my blindness, but I know it is something that is very >>>>> noticable >>>>> as soon as I walk in the door. I try to remain calm and answer the >>>>> questions >>>>> that pertain to the position I am applying for and I discuss how I would >>>>> handle these tasks despite my blindness. There are those interviewers who >>>>> just come right out and ask how I am going to complete the task required >>>>> of >>>>> me as a blind person. I answer and give examples of how I would complete >>>>> the >>>>> tasks. I guess I should have started out by saying I am a psychology and >>>>> sociology double major and want to work with at risk youth as a >>>>> counselor. >>>>> Because I do not yet have my degree I am trying to gain as much >>>>> experience >>>>> as possible because this is what future employers will be looking for, >>>>> but >>>>> the problem I run into is there are many organizations that work with at >>>>> risk youth in the town I live in, but there is always the question of how >>>>> I >>>>> am going to work with the youth as a blind person. I have also thought of >>>>> doing any work that envolved providing services to youth, women, families >>>>> such as, homeless shelters and things of that nature. I am just feeling >>>>> defeated at this point, because every door I have opened has closed shut >>>>> in >>>>> my face, and it only seems to be due to me being blind. I just want >>>>> someone >>>>> to give me a chance because I know I can do the work. >>>>> Thanks >>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>> hope.paulos%40gmail.com >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>> gloria.graves%40gmail.co >>>> m >>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>> hope.paulos%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>> gloria.graves%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>> daviddod%40buffalo.edu >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freethaught%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue Aug 7 02:12:32 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 22:12:32 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting In-Reply-To: <31513C28028148D1AAE62DC957F1BBC8@Gloria> References: <46F7896E7B4D4E5499A195CEC5CBACBE@Gloria><032b01cd742e$95f1ecb0$c1d5c610$@gmail.com><943949334A0D45B082C2B14DD2703CA1@Gloria><003001cd7431$f593b510$e0bb1f30$@gmail.com> <31513C28028148D1AAE62DC957F1BBC8@Gloria> Message-ID: <2EEF8DE9E5594448B690AD2AA7075DB2@OwnerPC> Gloria, If you want to work with youth, you don't need a MA in counseling; rehab counselors work with mainly adults with disabilities seeking work. As you know, some work with blind people in blindness agencies. You'd want a MA in social work if you go for a masters. -----Original Message----- From: Gloria G Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:28 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting Hi Hope, Did you go to get your masters in rehab counseling? I have also thought of getting a masters in rehab counseling. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting > No. I'm currently hunting for a job as well. I just answered them as you > do, > explaining how I would do certain things and giving examples. I applied > for > a vocational rehabilitation counselor I. position and I would be working > with individuals with disabilities as well as mental health diagnoses. > Nothing offends me so they can ask any question they want regarding my > blindness. It's just a matter of overcoming the stereotypes put on us by > people who don't know what we really can do. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Gloria G > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:13 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting > > Hi Hope, > Do you currently work? If so how did you get around those questions? > Thanks > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hope Paulos" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 6:52 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting > > >> Hi Gloria. I think you're taking the right approach. I always disclose my >> blindness (it's hard for them not to see that I'm blind because of my >> guide >> dog). I'd just continue to advocate for yourself as far as working with >> at >> risk youth. >> Hope >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Gloria G >> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:24 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >> >> Hi all, >> I was wondering how do you handle interviews when the talk of blindness >> comes up? I have had some interviews and in some cases the interviewer >> does >> not bring up my blindness, but I know it is something that is very >> noticable >> as soon as I walk in the door. I try to remain calm and answer the >> questions >> that pertain to the position I am applying for and I discuss how I would >> handle these tasks despite my blindness. There are those interviewers who >> just come right out and ask how I am going to complete the task required >> of >> me as a blind person. I answer and give examples of how I would complete >> the >> tasks. I guess I should have started out by saying I am a psychology and >> sociology double major and want to work with at risk youth as a >> counselor. >> Because I do not yet have my degree I am trying to gain as much >> experience >> as possible because this is what future employers will be looking for, >> but >> the problem I run into is there are many organizations that work with at >> risk youth in the town I live in, but there is always the question of how >> I >> am going to work with the youth as a blind person. I have also thought of >> doing any work that envolved providing services to youth, women, families >> such as, homeless shelters and things of that nature. I am just feeling >> defeated at this point, because every door I have opened has closed shut >> in >> my face, and it only seems to be due to me being blind. I just want >> someone >> to give me a chance because I know I can do the work. >> Thanks >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue Aug 7 02:15:31 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 22:15:31 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting In-Reply-To: <0CD15F79C99B43468A11D866055E71A3@Gloria> References: <46F7896E7B4D4E5499A195CEC5CBACBE@Gloria><032b01cd742e$95f1ecb0$c1d5c610$@gmail.com><943949334A0D45B082C2B14DD2703CA1@Gloria><003001cd7431$f593b510$e0bb1f30$@gmail.com><31513C28028148D1AAE62DC957F1BBC8@Gloria> <0CD15F79C99B43468A11D866055E71A3@Gloria> Message-ID: Gloria, if this is not a volunteer position, you may want to volunteer first to prove you can handle it all. If you already did that, use past experience in the interview to prove you can and have handled past issues. What exactly do they ask that are concerns? You might want to ask blind social workers who did this. -----Original Message----- From: Gloria G Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:41 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting Hi, I am not offended or anything by the questions that are asked. I am just upset that I am not given a chance. It is almost as if the employer has decided what I can and can not do the minute I walk in the door with my cane. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dodge" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:36 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting > Gloria, > It definitely sounds like you are going about things the right way. > > I would try not to get discouraged or be concerned by the questions the > interviewer is asking. It is definitely not a bad thing for a blind person > to help a sighted person better understand how the employment would work. > Think of it as an opportunity for you to advocate and teach the potential > employer something. > > The best that can be done is what you are doing - honestly answering > questions and explaining things. > > David > ---------------------------------- > David Dodge > Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson > English Major > University at Buffalo > 306 Clemens Hall > Buffalo, NY 14260 > daviddod at buffalo.edu > > > On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Gloria G wrote: > >> Hi Hope, >> Did you go to get your masters in rehab counseling? I have also thought >> of >> getting a masters in rehab counseling. >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" >> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" < >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:16 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >> >> >> No. I'm currently hunting for a job as well. I just answered them as you >>> do, >>> explaining how I would do certain things and giving examples. I applied >>> for >>> a vocational rehabilitation counselor I. position and I would be working >>> with individuals with disabilities as well as mental health diagnoses. >>> Nothing offends me so they can ask any question they want regarding my >>> blindness. It's just a matter of overcoming the stereotypes put on us by >>> people who don't know what we really can do. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org] >>> On Behalf >>> Of Gloria G >>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:13 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>> >>> Hi Hope, >>> Do you currently work? If so how did you get around those questions? >>> Thanks >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" >>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>> >>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 6:52 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>> >>> >>> Hi Gloria. I think you're taking the right approach. I always disclose >>> my >>>> blindness (it's hard for them not to see that I'm blind because of my >>>> guide >>>> dog). I'd just continue to advocate for yourself as far as working with >>>> at >>>> risk youth. >>>> Hope >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org] >>>> On >>>> Behalf >>>> Of Gloria G >>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:24 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> I was wondering how do you handle interviews when the talk of blindness >>>> comes up? I have had some interviews and in some cases the interviewer >>>> does >>>> not bring up my blindness, but I know it is something that is very >>>> noticable >>>> as soon as I walk in the door. I try to remain calm and answer the >>>> questions >>>> that pertain to the position I am applying for and I discuss how I >>>> would >>>> handle these tasks despite my blindness. There are those interviewers >>>> who >>>> just come right out and ask how I am going to complete the task >>>> required >>>> of >>>> me as a blind person. I answer and give examples of how I would >>>> complete >>>> the >>>> tasks. I guess I should have started out by saying I am a psychology >>>> and >>>> sociology double major and want to work with at risk youth as a >>>> counselor. >>>> Because I do not yet have my degree I am trying to gain as much >>>> experience >>>> as possible because this is what future employers will be looking for, >>>> but >>>> the problem I run into is there are many organizations that work with >>>> at >>>> risk youth in the town I live in, but there is always the question of >>>> how >>>> I >>>> am going to work with the youth as a blind person. I have also thought >>>> of >>>> doing any work that envolved providing services to youth, women, >>>> families >>>> such as, homeless shelters and things of that nature. I am just feeling >>>> defeated at this point, because every door I have opened has closed >>>> shut >>>> in >>>> my face, and it only seems to be due to me being blind. I just want >>>> someone >>>> to give me a chance because I know I can do the work. >>>> Thanks >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>> hope.paulos%40gmail.com >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>> gloria.graves%40gmail.co >>> m >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>> hope.paulos%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>> gloria.graves%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> daviddod%40buffalo.edu >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue Aug 7 02:19:52 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 22:19:52 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting In-Reply-To: <000c01cd743a$9a46aa60$ced3ff20$@gmail.com> References: <46F7896E7B4D4E5499A195CEC5CBACBE@Gloria><032b01cd742e$95f1ecb0$c1d5c610$@gmail.com><943949334A0D45B082C2B14DD2703CA1@Gloria><003001cd7431$f593b510$e0bb1f30$@gmail.com><31513C28028148D1AAE62DC957F1BBC8@Gloria><0CD15F79C99B43468A11D866055E71A3@Gloria><0D19AAEBB7C843DA9161953E67872631@acerd37f251f21><9904B75A033049CA85A9FBD3380033D6@Gloria> <000c01cd743a$9a46aa60$ced3ff20$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hope, Are you working? If not, what is your area of study? I thought you were studying to be a Spanish teacher or something. I saw you on the nobe list, so I know you want to teach. Its too bad they did what they did to you. Discrimination is live and well around here. -----Original Message----- From: Hope Paulos Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 9:18 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting I couldn't agree more. Well said!!! There was an instance where I had applied for an interpreter work-at-home position and I had the skills and passed the language part of the interview with flying colors. As soon as I mentioned I was blind I was told that I couldn't use a computer to take notes, but sighted people could use pencils. I was told I wouldn't be a good fit because I had to take breaks to take my dog outside. It was blatent discrimination. Needless to say I filed a complaint with department of justice and they got called out. I don't think they'll be doing anything like that again. Just keep advocating!! Hope -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gloria G Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 9:05 PM To: Misty Dawn Bradley; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting Hi, What I find interesting is the organizations that provide services to persons with disabilities and tell the clients they can do whatever they put their minds to as long as they work hard and advicate for themselves, turn away a blind person because they feel we are unable to complete tasks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Misty Dawn Bradley" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting > Hi, > I also ran into the same issue when applying for a full-time position > with AmeriCorps. The people conducting the interview kept emphasizing > the paperwork, and I tried to explain that there are ways that I could > do the paperwork, but I still did not get the position. It surprised > me, because I worked in that same office and turned in all reports and > paperwork on time, although I had a different supervisor and it was a > different program. I think part of it was that I did not have > experience in the area of the position, but I also think part of it > was the paperwork, because that point was emphasized indirectly during the interview. > Thanks, > Misty > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gloria G" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:41 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting > > >> Hi, >> I am not offended or anything by the questions that are asked. I am >> just upset that I am not given a chance. It is almost as if the >> employer has decided what I can and can not do the minute I walk in >> the door with my cane. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Dodge" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:36 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >> >> >>> Gloria, >>> It definitely sounds like you are going about things the right way. >>> >>> I would try not to get discouraged or be concerned by the questions >>> the interviewer is asking. It is definitely not a bad thing for a >>> blind person to help a sighted person better understand how the >>> employment would work. >>> Think of it as an opportunity for you to advocate and teach the >>> potential employer something. >>> >>> The best that can be done is what you are doing - honestly answering >>> questions and explaining things. >>> >>> David >>> ---------------------------------- >>> David Dodge >>> Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson English Major >>> University at Buffalo >>> 306 Clemens Hall >>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Gloria G >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Hope, >>>> Did you go to get your masters in rehab counseling? I have also >>>> thought of getting a masters in rehab counseling. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" >>>> >>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" < >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:16 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>> >>>> >>>> No. I'm currently hunting for a job as well. I just answered them >>>> as you >>>>> do, >>>>> explaining how I would do certain things and giving examples. I >>>>> applied for a vocational rehabilitation counselor I. position and >>>>> I would be working with individuals with disabilities as well as >>>>> mental health diagnoses. >>>>> Nothing offends me so they can ask any question they want >>>>> regarding my blindness. It's just a matter of overcoming the >>>>> stereotypes put on us by people who don't know what we really can >>>>> do. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org] >>>>> On Behalf >>>>> Of Gloria G >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:13 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>> >>>>> Hi Hope, >>>>> Do you currently work? If so how did you get around those questions? >>>>> Thanks >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" >>>>> >>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>>> >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 6:52 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi Gloria. I think you're taking the right approach. I always >>>>> disclose my >>>>>> blindness (it's hard for them not to see that I'm blind because >>>>>> of my guide dog). I'd just continue to advocate for yourself as >>>>>> far as working with at risk youth. >>>>>> Hope >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org] >>>>>> On >>>>>> Behalf >>>>>> Of Gloria G >>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:24 PM >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>> I was wondering how do you handle interviews when the talk of >>>>>> blindness comes up? I have had some interviews and in some cases >>>>>> the interviewer does not bring up my blindness, but I know it is >>>>>> something that is very noticable as soon as I walk in the door. I >>>>>> try to remain calm and answer the questions that pertain to the >>>>>> position I am applying for and I discuss how I would handle these >>>>>> tasks despite my blindness. There are those interviewers who just >>>>>> come right out and ask how I am going to complete the task >>>>>> required of me as a blind person. I answer and give examples of >>>>>> how I would complete the tasks. I guess I should have started out >>>>>> by saying I am a psychology and sociology double major and want >>>>>> to work with at risk youth as a counselor. >>>>>> Because I do not yet have my degree I am trying to gain as much >>>>>> experience as possible because this is what future employers will >>>>>> be looking for, but the problem I run into is there are many >>>>>> organizations that work with at risk youth in the town I live in, >>>>>> but there is always the question of how I am going to work with >>>>>> the youth as a blind person. I have also thought of doing any >>>>>> work that envolved providing services to youth, women, families >>>>>> such as, homeless shelters and things of that nature. I am just >>>>>> feeling defeated at this point, because every door I have opened >>>>>> has closed shut in my face, and it only seems to be due to me >>>>>> being blind. I just want someone to give me a chance because I >>>>>> know I can do the work. >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org>>>>> net.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>> hope.paulos%40gmail.com>>>> fbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org>>>>> net.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>> gloria.graves%40gmail.co>>>> nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.co> >>>>> m >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org>>>> et.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>> hope.paulos%40gmail.com>>>> fbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org>>>> et.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>> gloria.graves%40gmail.com>>>> _nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org>>> t.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>> daviddod%40buffalo.edu>>> net.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40 >>> gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40g >> mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gm > ail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From hope.paulos at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 02:25:04 2012 From: hope.paulos at gmail.com (Hope Paulos) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 22:25:04 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting In-Reply-To: <002401cd743d$d7172de0$854589a0$@net> References: <46F7896E7B4D4E5499A195CEC5CBACBE@Gloria> <032b01cd742e$95f1ecb0$c1d5c610$@gmail.com> <943949334A0D45B082C2B14DD2703CA1@Gloria> <003001cd7431$f593b510$e0bb1f30$@gmail.com> <31513C28028148D1AAE62DC957F1BBC8@Gloria> <0CD15F79C99B43468A11D866055E71A3@Gloria> <002401cd743d$d7172de0$854589a0$@net> Message-ID: <8A648D4F-CCE0-4A39-9D42-438C8B38C6E7@gmail.com> Hi there. I am not a vocational rehabilitation counselor, but would you be able to work with general VR? Rather than working through the department of for the blind? I know they work with individuals with other disabilities besides blindness. Bipolar I know is one of the mental health diagnoses that was listed on my job description if I were to get the job that I was applying for. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 6, 2012, at 9:41 PM, "Dave Webster" wrote: > Hello my name is Dave. I thought I'd post to this thread because I > myself am job hunting as well. I am from Arkansas and have never worked > before. I had a job at the lighthouse for the blind out here but the job > was too hard physically. One of the problems I'm havning is that division > services for the blind won't help me with anything because I have bipolar. > I live in a residential facility and the councilor basically thinks that I'm > not stable enough to work. I believe I am and my therapist at my program > that I gto during the day thinks the same as well. Basically because I live > in a facility and don't live on my own division services won't help me with > anything so. I don't know if any of you have ever had problems like that > but some times its really really hard dealing with vocational > rehab.-----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of David Dodge > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:46 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting > > It is unfortunate how people act and react sometimes. Soon, you will find an > employer that will base his or her decision solely upon skill. That is the > way it should be anyways but your right it isn't always. > > David > ---------------------------------- > David Dodge > Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson English Major > University at Buffalo > 306 Clemens Hall > Buffalo, NY 14260 > daviddod at buffalo.edu > > > On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:41 PM, Gloria G wrote: > >> Hi, >> I am not offended or anything by the questions that are asked. I am >> just upset that I am not given a chance. It is almost as if the >> employer has decided what I can and can not do the minute I walk in >> the door with my cane. >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dodge" >> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" < >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:36 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >> >> >> Gloria, >>> It definitely sounds like you are going about things the right way. >>> >>> I would try not to get discouraged or be concerned by the questions >>> the interviewer is asking. It is definitely not a bad thing for a >>> blind person to help a sighted person better understand how the > employment would work. >>> Think of it as an opportunity for you to advocate and teach the >>> potential employer something. >>> >>> The best that can be done is what you are doing - honestly answering >>> questions and explaining things. >>> >>> David >>> ------------------------------**---- >>> David Dodge >>> Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson English Major >>> University at Buffalo >>> 306 Clemens Hall >>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Gloria G wrote: >>> >>> Hi Hope, >>>> Did you go to get your masters in rehab counseling? I have also >>>> thought of getting a masters in rehab counseling. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" >>>> >>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" < >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:16 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>> >>>> >>>> No. I'm currently hunting for a job as well. I just answered them >>>> as you >>>> >>>>> do, >>>>> explaining how I would do certain things and giving examples. I >>>>> applied for a vocational rehabilitation counselor I. position and I >>>>> would be working with individuals with disabilities as well as >>>>> mental health diagnoses. >>>>> Nothing offends me so they can ask any question they want regarding >>>>> my blindness. It's just a matter of overcoming the stereotypes put >>>>> on us by people who don't know what we really can do. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.****org< >>>>> nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org >] On Behalf >>>>> Of Gloria G >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:13 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>> >>>>> Hi Hope, >>>>> Do you currently work? If so how did you get around those questions? >>>>> Thanks >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>>> >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 6:52 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi Gloria. I think you're taking the right approach. I always >>>>> disclose my >>>>> >>>>>> blindness (it's hard for them not to see that I'm blind because >>>>>> of my guide dog). I'd just continue to advocate for yourself as >>>>>> far as working with at risk youth. >>>>>> Hope >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.****org< >>>>>> nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org >] On >>>>>> Behalf Of Gloria G >>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:24 PM >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>> I was wondering how do you handle interviews when the talk of >>>>>> blindness comes up? I have had some interviews and in some cases >>>>>> the interviewer does not bring up my blindness, but I know it is >>>>>> something that is very noticable as soon as I walk in the door. I >>>>>> try to remain calm and answer the questions that pertain to the >>>>>> position I am applying for and I discuss how I would handle these >>>>>> tasks despite my blindness. There are those interviewers who just >>>>>> come right out and ask how I am going to complete the task >>>>>> required of me as a blind person. I answer and give examples of >>>>>> how I would complete the tasks. I guess I should have started out >>>>>> by saying I am a psychology and sociology double major and want to >>>>>> work with at risk youth as a counselor. >>>>>> Because I do not yet have my degree I am trying to gain as much >>>>>> experience as possible because this is what future employers will >>>>>> be looking for, but the problem I run into is there are many >>>>>> organizations that work with at risk youth in the town I live in, >>>>>> but there is always the question of how I am going to work with >>>>>> the youth as a blind person. I have also thought of doing any work >>>>>> that envolved providing services to youth, women, families such >>>>>> as, homeless shelters and things of that nature. I am just feeling >>>>>> defeated at this point, because every door I have opened has >>>>>> closed shut in my face, and it only seems to be due to me being >>>>>> blind. I just want someone to give me a chance because I know I >>>>>> can do the work. >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> ______________________________****_________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org>>>>> bnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >>>>>> >>>>> fbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >>>>>>> >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**>>>>> nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**> >>>>>> >>>>> hope.paulos%40gmail.com>>>> nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%**40gmail.com>>>> an/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ______________________________****_________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org>>>>> bnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >>>>>> >>>>> fbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >>>>>>> >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**>>>>> nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**> >>>>>> >>>>> gloria.graves%40gmail.co>>>> nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.**graves%40gmail.co>>>> man/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.co> >>>>>> >>>>> m >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________****_________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org>>>> net.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >>>>> >>>> bnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >>>>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**>>>> fbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**> >>>>> hope.paulos%40gmail.com>>>> nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%**40gmail.com>>>> an/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________****_________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org>>>> net.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >>>>> >>>> bnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >>>>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**>>>> fbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**> >>>>> gloria.graves%40gmail.com>>>> nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.**graves%40gmail.com>>>> lman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________****_________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org>>> et.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >>>> >>> net.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >>>>> >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**>>> bnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**> >>>> daviddod%40buffalo.edu>>> nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%**40buffalo.edu>>> /options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu> >>>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org>> org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>> gloria.graves%40gmail.com>> bnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com> >>> >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> rg/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> daviddod%40buffalo.edu> .org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu> >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dwebster125%40comcast.ne > t > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com From dwebster125 at comcast.net Tue Aug 7 02:52:36 2012 From: dwebster125 at comcast.net (Dave Webster) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 21:52:36 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting In-Reply-To: <8A648D4F-CCE0-4A39-9D42-438C8B38C6E7@gmail.com> References: <46F7896E7B4D4E5499A195CEC5CBACBE@Gloria> <032b01cd742e$95f1ecb0$c1d5c610$@gmail.com> <943949334A0D45B082C2B14DD2703CA1@Gloria> <003001cd7431$f593b510$e0bb1f30$@gmail.com> <31513C28028148D1AAE62DC957F1BBC8@Gloria> <0CD15F79C99B43468A11D866055E71A3@Gloria> <002401cd743d$d7172de0$854589a0$@net> <8A648D4F-CCE0-4A39-9D42-438C8B38C6E7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001cd7447$b4129870$1c37c950$@net> I hope. I actually today talked to someone at goodwill because I was thinking about getting into one of their programs and in order to do that I'd have to be hooked up with services for the blind or arkansas rehab services and when I asked the person I was talking to if I could just go through rehab services she tole me that they'd probably just reffer me right back to services for the blind. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Hope Paulos Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 9:25 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting Hi there. I am not a vocational rehabilitation counselor, but would you be able to work with general VR? Rather than working through the department of for the blind? I know they work with individuals with other disabilities besides blindness. Bipolar I know is one of the mental health diagnoses that was listed on my job description if I were to get the job that I was applying for. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 6, 2012, at 9:41 PM, "Dave Webster" wrote: > Hello my name is Dave. I thought I'd post to this thread because I > myself am job hunting as well. I am from Arkansas and have never > worked before. I had a job at the lighthouse for the blind out here > but the job was too hard physically. One of the problems I'm havning > is that division services for the blind won't help me with anything because I have bipolar. > I live in a residential facility and the councilor basically thinks > that I'm not stable enough to work. I believe I am and my therapist > at my program that I gto during the day thinks the same as well. > Basically because I live in a facility and don't live on my own > division services won't help me with anything so. I don't know if any > of you have ever had problems like that but some times its really > really hard dealing with vocational rehab.-----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of David Dodge > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:46 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting > > It is unfortunate how people act and react sometimes. Soon, you will > find an employer that will base his or her decision solely upon skill. > That is the way it should be anyways but your right it isn't always. > > David > ---------------------------------- > David Dodge > Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson English Major > University at Buffalo > 306 Clemens Hall > Buffalo, NY 14260 > daviddod at buffalo.edu > > > On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:41 PM, Gloria G wrote: > >> Hi, >> I am not offended or anything by the questions that are asked. I am >> just upset that I am not given a chance. It is almost as if the >> employer has decided what I can and can not do the minute I walk in >> the door with my cane. >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dodge" >> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" < >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:36 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >> >> >> Gloria, >>> It definitely sounds like you are going about things the right way. >>> >>> I would try not to get discouraged or be concerned by the questions >>> the interviewer is asking. It is definitely not a bad thing for a >>> blind person to help a sighted person better understand how the > employment would work. >>> Think of it as an opportunity for you to advocate and teach the >>> potential employer something. >>> >>> The best that can be done is what you are doing - honestly answering >>> questions and explaining things. >>> >>> David >>> ------------------------------**---- >>> David Dodge >>> Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson English Major >>> University at Buffalo >>> 306 Clemens Hall >>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Gloria G wrote: >>> >>> Hi Hope, >>>> Did you go to get your masters in rehab counseling? I have also >>>> thought of getting a masters in rehab counseling. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" >>>> >>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" < >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:16 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>> >>>> >>>> No. I'm currently hunting for a job as well. I just answered them >>>> as you >>>> >>>>> do, >>>>> explaining how I would do certain things and giving examples. I >>>>> applied for a vocational rehabilitation counselor I. position and >>>>> I would be working with individuals with disabilities as well as >>>>> mental health diagnoses. >>>>> Nothing offends me so they can ask any question they want >>>>> regarding my blindness. It's just a matter of overcoming the >>>>> stereotypes put on us by people who don't know what we really can do. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.****org< >>>>> nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org >] On >>>>> Behalf Of Gloria G >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:13 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>> >>>>> Hi Hope, >>>>> Do you currently work? If so how did you get around those questions? >>>>> Thanks >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>>> >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 6:52 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi Gloria. I think you're taking the right approach. I always >>>>> disclose my >>>>> >>>>>> blindness (it's hard for them not to see that I'm blind because >>>>>> of my guide dog). I'd just continue to advocate for yourself as >>>>>> far as working with at risk youth. >>>>>> Hope >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.****org< >>>>>> nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org >] On >>>>>> Behalf Of Gloria G >>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:24 PM >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>> I was wondering how do you handle interviews when the talk of >>>>>> blindness comes up? I have had some interviews and in some cases >>>>>> the interviewer does not bring up my blindness, but I know it is >>>>>> something that is very noticable as soon as I walk in the door. I >>>>>> try to remain calm and answer the questions that pertain to the >>>>>> position I am applying for and I discuss how I would handle these >>>>>> tasks despite my blindness. There are those interviewers who just >>>>>> come right out and ask how I am going to complete the task >>>>>> required of me as a blind person. I answer and give examples of >>>>>> how I would complete the tasks. I guess I should have started out >>>>>> by saying I am a psychology and sociology double major and want >>>>>> to work with at risk youth as a counselor. >>>>>> Because I do not yet have my degree I am trying to gain as much >>>>>> experience as possible because this is what future employers will >>>>>> be looking for, but the problem I run into is there are many >>>>>> organizations that work with at risk youth in the town I live in, >>>>>> but there is always the question of how I am going to work with >>>>>> the youth as a blind person. I have also thought of doing any >>>>>> work that envolved providing services to youth, women, families >>>>>> such as, homeless shelters and things of that nature. I am just >>>>>> feeling defeated at this point, because every door I have opened >>>>>> has closed shut in my face, and it only seems to be due to me >>>>>> being blind. I just want someone to give me a chance because I >>>>>> know I can do the work. >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> ______________________________****_________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org>>>>> f bnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >>>>>> >>>>> n fbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >>>>>>> >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**>>>>> / nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**> >>>>>> >>>>> hope.paulos%40gmail.com>>>> nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%**40gmail.com>>>> m an/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ______________________________****_________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org>>>>> f 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______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> o rg/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> daviddod%40buffalo.edu> t >> .org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu> >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dwebster125%40comc > ast.ne > t > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmai > l.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dwebster125%40comcast.ne t From dwebster125 at comcast.net Tue Aug 7 03:01:25 2012 From: dwebster125 at comcast.net (Dave Webster) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 22:01:25 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting In-Reply-To: <000001cd7440$cc1946f0$644bd4d0$@com> References: <46F7896E7B4D4E5499A195CEC5CBACBE@Gloria> <032b01cd742e$95f1ecb0$c1d5c610$@gmail.com> <943949334A0D45B082C2B14DD2703CA1@Gloria> <003001cd7431$f593b510$e0bb1f30$@gmail.com> <31513C28028148D1AAE62DC957F1BBC8@Gloria> <0CD15F79C99B43468A11D866055E71A3@Gloria> <002401cd743d$d7172de0$854589a0$@net> <000001cd7440$cc1946f0$644bd4d0$@com> Message-ID: <000101cd7448$ef6d56c0$ce480440$@net> yea they want something from my therapist and my psychiatrist telling them that I'm stable enough to work. She won't send it because not only am I stable enough to work but whether or not I live in a residential facility or live on my own is not relivant to whether or not I am able to do a job. so she's not sending them anything. Anything what so ever.riginal Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chun Chao Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 9:03 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting Hello Dave: I believe just about everyone who has dealt with rehab has had some form of disgruntled treatment or another. For example, our chapter has a student who is also a mother of five (yes, 5) sighted children ranging from toddler to teenager and she is going for a degree in social work in that she wants to be able to work with children in either daycares or nurseries. Unfortunately, rehab asked her to get references from at least five or six social work related agencies to prove that she is employable as a blind social worker. Now, I do not quite understand what rehab is asking her to do when they can just visit her home and see that she has raised five healthy children as a single mother. C.C. Alan -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dave Webster Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 6:42 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting Hello my name is Dave. I thought I'd post to this thread because I myself am job hunting as well. I am from Arkansas and have never worked before. I had a job at the lighthouse for the blind out here but the job was too hard physically. One of the problems I'm havning is that division services for the blind won't help me with anything because I have bipolar. I live in a residential facility and the councilor basically thinks that I'm not stable enough to work. I believe I am and my therapist at my program that I gto during the day thinks the same as well. Basically because I live in a facility and don't live on my own division services won't help me with anything so. I don't know if any of you have ever had problems like that but some times its really really hard dealing with vocational rehab.-----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Dodge Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:46 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting It is unfortunate how people act and react sometimes. Soon, you will find an employer that will base his or her decision solely upon skill. That is the way it should be anyways but your right it isn't always. David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:41 PM, Gloria G wrote: > Hi, > I am not offended or anything by the questions that are asked. I am > just upset that I am not given a chance. It is almost as if the > employer has decided what I can and can not do the minute I walk in > the door with my cane. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dodge" > > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" < > nabs-l at nfbnet.org> > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:36 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting > > > Gloria, >> It definitely sounds like you are going about things the right way. >> >> I would try not to get discouraged or be concerned by the questions >> the interviewer is asking. It is definitely not a bad thing for a >> blind person to help a sighted person better understand how the employment would work. >> Think of it as an opportunity for you to advocate and teach the >> potential employer something. >> >> The best that can be done is what you are doing - honestly answering >> questions and explaining things. >> >> David >> ------------------------------**---- >> David Dodge >> Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson English Major >> University at Buffalo >> 306 Clemens Hall >> Buffalo, NY 14260 >> daviddod at buffalo.edu >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Gloria G wrote: >> >> Hi Hope, >>> Did you go to get your masters in rehab counseling? I have also >>> thought of getting a masters in rehab counseling. >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" >>> >>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" < >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:16 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>> >>> >>> No. I'm currently hunting for a job as well. I just answered them >>> as you >>> >>>> do, >>>> explaining how I would do certain things and giving examples. I >>>> applied for a vocational rehabilitation counselor I. position and I >>>> would be working with individuals with disabilities as well as >>>> mental health diagnoses. >>>> Nothing offends me so they can ask any question they want regarding >>>> my blindness. It's just a matter of overcoming the stereotypes put >>>> on us by people who don't know what we really can do. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.****org< >>>> nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org >] On Behalf >>>> Of Gloria G >>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:13 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>> >>>> Hi Hope, >>>> Do you currently work? If so how did you get around those questions? >>>> Thanks >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" >>>> >>> > >>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>> >>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 6:52 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Gloria. I think you're taking the right approach. I always >>>> disclose my >>>> >>>>> blindness (it's hard for them not to see that I'm blind because >>>>> of my guide dog). I'd just continue to advocate for yourself as >>>>> far as working with at risk youth. >>>>> Hope >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.****org< >>>>> nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org >] On >>>>> Behalf Of Gloria G >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:24 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> I was wondering how do you handle interviews when the talk of >>>>> blindness comes up? I have had some interviews and in some cases >>>>> the interviewer does not bring up my blindness, but I know it is >>>>> something that is very noticable as soon as I walk in the door. I >>>>> try to remain calm and answer the questions that pertain to the >>>>> position I am applying for and I discuss how I would handle these >>>>> tasks despite my blindness. There are those interviewers who just >>>>> come right out and ask how I am going to complete the task >>>>> required of me as a blind person. I answer and give examples of >>>>> how I would complete the tasks. I guess I should have started out >>>>> by saying I am a psychology and sociology double major and want to >>>>> work with at risk youth as a counselor. >>>>> Because I do not yet have my degree I am trying to gain as much >>>>> experience as possible because this is what future employers will >>>>> be looking for, but the problem I run into is there are many >>>>> organizations that work with at risk youth in the town I live in, >>>>> but there is always the question of how I am going to work with >>>>> the youth as a blind person. I have also thought of doing any work >>>>> that envolved providing services to youth, women, families such >>>>> as, homeless shelters and things of that nature. I am just feeling >>>>> defeated at this point, because every door I have opened has >>>>> closed shut in my face, and it only seems to be due to me being >>>>> blind. I just want someone to give me a chance because I know I >>>>> can do the work. >>>>> Thanks >>>>> ______________________________****_________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org>>>> bnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >>>>> >>>> fbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >>>>> > >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**>>>> nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**> >>>>> >>>> hope.paulos%40gmail.com>>> nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%**40gmail.com>>> an/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________****_________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org>>>> bnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> 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To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > daviddod%40buffalo.edu .org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu> > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dwebster125%40comcast.ne t _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zerone1683%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dwebster125%40comcast.ne t From dwebster125 at comcast.net Tue Aug 7 03:03:21 2012 From: dwebster125 at comcast.net (Dave Webster) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 22:03:21 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting In-Reply-To: References: <46F7896E7B4D4E5499A195CEC5CBACBE@Gloria> <032b01cd742e$95f1ecb0$c1d5c610$@gmail.com> <943949334A0D45B082C2B14DD2703CA1@Gloria> <003001cd7431$f593b510$e0bb1f30$@gmail.com> <31513C28028148D1AAE62DC957F1BBC8@Gloria> <0CD15F79C99B43468A11D866055E71A3@Gloria> <3540CBA9B6044611BB2EB5E13D849D13@Gloria> Message-ID: <000201cd7449$3490ec80$9db2c580$@net> yea I am looking for some type of employment like answering phones at one of the local hospitals or whereever. It doesn't really matter just so as I can get my foot in the door. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Dodge Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:27 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting I am not though I will be in May of next year. David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:51 PM, Gloria G wrote: > Hi Dave, > Are you currently looking for employment? > ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dodge" > > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" < > nabs-l at nfbnet.org> > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:46 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting > > > It is unfortunate how people act and react sometimes. Soon, you will > find >> an employer that will base his or her decision solely upon skill. >> That is the way it should be anyways but your right it isn't always. >> >> David >> ------------------------------**---- >> David Dodge >> Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson English Major >> University at Buffalo >> 306 Clemens Hall >> Buffalo, NY 14260 >> daviddod at buffalo.edu >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:41 PM, Gloria G wrote: >> >> Hi, >>> I am not offended or anything by the questions that are asked. I am >>> just upset that I am not given a chance. It is almost as if the >>> employer has decided what I can and can not do the minute I walk in >>> the door with my cane. >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dodge" >>> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" < >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:36 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>> >>> >>> Gloria, >>> >>>> It definitely sounds like you are going about things the right way. >>>> >>>> I would try not to get discouraged or be concerned by the questions >>>> the interviewer is asking. It is definitely not a bad thing for a >>>> blind person to help a sighted person better understand how the >>>> employment would work. >>>> Think of it as an opportunity for you to advocate and teach the >>>> potential employer something. >>>> >>>> The best that can be done is what you are doing - honestly >>>> answering questions and explaining things. >>>> >>>> David >>>> ------------------------------****---- >>>> David Dodge >>>> Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson English >>>> Major University at Buffalo >>>> 306 Clemens Hall >>>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Gloria G >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Hope, >>>> >>>>> Did you go to get your masters in rehab counseling? I have also >>>>> thought of getting a masters in rehab counseling. >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" < >>>>> hope.paulos at gmail.com> >>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" < >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:16 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> No. I'm currently hunting for a job as well. I just answered them >>>>> as you >>>>> >>>>> do, >>>>>> explaining how I would do certain things and giving examples. I >>>>>> applied for a vocational rehabilitation counselor I. position and >>>>>> I would be working with individuals with disabilities as well as >>>>>> mental health diagnoses. >>>>>> Nothing offends me so they can ask any question they want >>>>>> regarding my blindness. It's just a matter of overcoming the >>>>>> stereotypes put on us by people who don't know what we really can >>>>>> do. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.** >>>>>> ****org< nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org >>>>>> >] On Behalf Of Gloria G >>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:13 PM >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Hope, >>>>>> Do you currently work? If so how did you get around those questions? >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" < >>>>>> hope.paulos at gmail.com >>>>>> > >>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 6:52 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Gloria. I think you're taking the right approach. I always >>>>>> disclose my >>>>>> >>>>>> blindness (it's hard for them not to see that I'm blind because >>>>>> of >>>>>>> my >>>>>>> guide >>>>>>> dog). I'd just continue to advocate for yourself as far as >>>>>>> working with at risk youth. >>>>>>> Hope >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.** >>>>>>> ****org< nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org >>>>>>> >] On Behalf Of Gloria G >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:24 PM >>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>> I was wondering how do you handle interviews when the talk of >>>>>>> blindness comes up? I have had some interviews and in some cases >>>>>>> the interviewer does not bring up my blindness, but I know it is >>>>>>> something that is very noticable as soon as I walk in the door. >>>>>>> I try to remain calm and answer the questions that pertain to >>>>>>> the position I am applying for and I discuss how I would handle >>>>>>> these tasks despite my blindness. There are those interviewers >>>>>>> who just come right out and ask how I am going to complete the >>>>>>> task required of me as a blind person. I answer and give >>>>>>> examples of how I would complete the tasks. I guess I should >>>>>>> have started out by saying I am a psychology and sociology >>>>>>> double major and want to work with at risk youth as a counselor. >>>>>>> Because I do not yet have my degree I am trying to gain as much >>>>>>> experience as possible because this is what future employers >>>>>>> will be looking for, but the problem I run into is there are >>>>>>> many organizations that work with at risk youth in the town I >>>>>>> live in, but there is always the question of how I am going to >>>>>>> work with the youth as a blind person. I have also thought of >>>>>>> doing any work that envolved providing services to youth, women, >>>>>>> families such as, homeless shelters and things of that nature. I >>>>>>> am just feeling defeated at this point, because every door I >>>>>>> have opened has closed shut in my face, and it only seems to be >>>>>>> due to me being blind. 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nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.**graves%40gmail.com>>> lman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>> >>> ______________________________****_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org>> et.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >>> >> net.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >>> > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**>> bnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**> >>> daviddod%40buffalo.edu>> nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%**40buffalo.edu>> /options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu> >>> > >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> gloria.graves%40gmail.com> bnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com> >> > > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org rg/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > daviddod%40buffalo.edu .org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu> > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dwebster125%40comcast.ne t From wmodnl at hotmail.com Tue Aug 7 03:09:57 2012 From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (wmodnl wmodnl) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 23:09:57 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting In-Reply-To: <46F7896E7B4D4E5499A195CEC5CBACBE@Gloria> References: <46F7896E7B4D4E5499A195CEC5CBACBE@Gloria> Message-ID: Welcome to America's Job market for disabled employees. You should reconsider and work for yourself. I think that most would agree that people who work and are successful in mainstream corporate America as blind people are lucky as a small minority. I work for myself because I do not want to be bothered educating a close-minded population. People should not think twice why we have such poor standards since our people in political power fail to realize that bad education from the start creates much of these problems. Look abroad, you do not see such degrading attitudes and poor standards in education, class, race, and disability. Some would argue that our system is good, yet, it still trails the world. We are living in a nation transforming itself into third-world status. Sorry for the rant. Sent from my iPad On Aug 6, 2012, at 7:25 PM, "Gloria G" wrote: > Hi all, > I was wondering how do you handle interviews when the talk of blindness comes up? I have had some interviews and in some cases the interviewer does not bring up my blindness, but I know it is something that is very noticable as soon as I walk in the door. I try to remain calm and answer the questions that pertain to the position I am applying for and I discuss how I would handle these tasks despite my blindness. There are those interviewers who just come right out and ask how I am going to complete the task required of me as a blind person. I answer and give examples of how I would complete the tasks. I guess I should have started out by saying I am a psychology and sociology double major and want to work with at risk youth as a counselor. Because I do not yet have my degree I am trying to gain as much experience as possible because this is what future employers will be looking for, but the problem I run into is there are many organizations that work with at risk youth in the town I live in, but there is always the question of how I am going to work with the youth as a blind person. I have also thought of doing any work that envolved providing services to youth, women, families such as, homeless shelters and things of that nature. I am just feeling defeated at this point, because every door I have opened has closed shut in my face, and it only seems to be due to me being blind. I just want someone to give me a chance because I know I can do the work. > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com From ignasicambra at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 08:54:47 2012 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 01:54:47 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting In-Reply-To: <0CD15F79C99B43468A11D866055E71A3@Gloria> References: <46F7896E7B4D4E5499A195CEC5CBACBE@Gloria> <032b01cd742e$95f1ecb0$c1d5c610$@gmail.com> <943949334A0D45B082C2B14DD2703CA1@Gloria> <003001cd7431$f593b510$e0bb1f30$@gmail.com> <31513C28028148D1AAE62DC957F1BBC8@Gloria> <0CD15F79C99B43468A11D866055E71A3@Gloria> Message-ID: <-1078582959448587144@unknownmsgid> Gloria, Has any employer told you that they don't want to hire you because you're blind? I'm asking this because finding a job is always hard, and maybe there was another person that fitted their needs better than you. It really sounds like you're doing everything the right way, so I'm pretty sure things will eventually work out for you. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 6, 2012, at 5:45 PM, Gloria G wrote: > Hi, > I am not offended or anything by the questions that are asked. I am just upset that I am not given a chance. It is almost as if the employer has decided what I can and can not do the minute I walk in the door with my cane. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dodge" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:36 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting > > >> Gloria, >> It definitely sounds like you are going about things the right way. >> >> I would try not to get discouraged or be concerned by the questions the >> interviewer is asking. It is definitely not a bad thing for a blind person >> to help a sighted person better understand how the employment would work. >> Think of it as an opportunity for you to advocate and teach the potential >> employer something. >> >> The best that can be done is what you are doing - honestly answering >> questions and explaining things. >> >> David >> ---------------------------------- >> David Dodge >> Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson >> English Major >> University at Buffalo >> 306 Clemens Hall >> Buffalo, NY 14260 >> daviddod at buffalo.edu >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Gloria G wrote: >> >>> Hi Hope, >>> Did you go to get your masters in rehab counseling? I have also thought of >>> getting a masters in rehab counseling. >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" >>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" < >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:16 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>> >>> >>> No. I'm currently hunting for a job as well. I just answered them as you >>>> do, >>>> explaining how I would do certain things and giving examples. I applied >>>> for >>>> a vocational rehabilitation counselor I. position and I would be working >>>> with individuals with disabilities as well as mental health diagnoses. >>>> Nothing offends me so they can ask any question they want regarding my >>>> blindness. It's just a matter of overcoming the stereotypes put on us by >>>> people who don't know what we really can do. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org] >>>> On Behalf >>>> Of Gloria G >>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:13 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>> >>>> Hi Hope, >>>> Do you currently work? If so how did you get around those questions? >>>> Thanks >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" >>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>> >>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 6:52 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Gloria. I think you're taking the right approach. I always disclose my >>>>> blindness (it's hard for them not to see that I'm blind because of my >>>>> guide >>>>> dog). I'd just continue to advocate for yourself as far as working with >>>>> at >>>>> risk youth. >>>>> Hope >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org] >>>>> On >>>>> Behalf >>>>> Of Gloria G >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:24 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> I was wondering how do you handle interviews when the talk of blindness >>>>> comes up? I have had some interviews and in some cases the interviewer >>>>> does >>>>> not bring up my blindness, but I know it is something that is very >>>>> noticable >>>>> as soon as I walk in the door. I try to remain calm and answer the >>>>> questions >>>>> that pertain to the position I am applying for and I discuss how I would >>>>> handle these tasks despite my blindness. There are those interviewers who >>>>> just come right out and ask how I am going to complete the task required >>>>> of >>>>> me as a blind person. I answer and give examples of how I would complete >>>>> the >>>>> tasks. I guess I should have started out by saying I am a psychology and >>>>> sociology double major and want to work with at risk youth as a >>>>> counselor. >>>>> Because I do not yet have my degree I am trying to gain as much >>>>> experience >>>>> as possible because this is what future employers will be looking for, >>>>> but >>>>> the problem I run into is there are many organizations that work with at >>>>> risk youth in the town I live in, but there is always the question of how >>>>> I >>>>> am going to work with the youth as a blind person. I have also thought of >>>>> doing any work that envolved providing services to youth, women, families >>>>> such as, homeless shelters and things of that nature. I am just feeling >>>>> defeated at this point, because every door I have opened has closed shut >>>>> in >>>>> my face, and it only seems to be due to me being blind. I just want >>>>> someone >>>>> to give me a chance because I know I can do the work. >>>>> Thanks >>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>> hope.paulos%40gmail.com >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>> gloria.graves%40gmail.co >>>> m >>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>> hope.paulos%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>> gloria.graves%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>> daviddod%40buffalo.edu >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From hope.paulos at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 13:04:38 2012 From: hope.paulos at gmail.com (Hope Paulos) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 09:04:38 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting In-Reply-To: References: <46F7896E7B4D4E5499A195CEC5CBACBE@Gloria> <032b01cd742e$95f1ecb0$c1d5c610$@gmail.com> <943949334A0D45B082C2B14DD2703CA1@Gloria> <003001cd7431$f593b510$e0bb1f30$@gmail.com> <31513C28028148D1AAE62DC957F1BBC8@Gloria> <0CD15F79C99B43468A11D866055E71A3@Gloria> <0D19AAEBB7C843DA9161953E67872631@acerd37f251f21> <9904B75A033049CA85A9FBD3380033D6@Gloria> <000c01cd743a$9a46aa60$ced3ff20$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <93E41118-0A40-4D53-9E17-C74277FDAC4F@gmail.com> Hi there. I received my degree in secondary education with concentration in Spanish and another in modern languages focusing in Spanish and German. I've decided though, that I do not want to teach. I would rather be a vocational rehabilitation counselor. I know that if I work at my state agency, I can receive funding assistance with the grant provided by our essay. I'm hoping to go that route and obtain my masters degree. Unfortunately, public schools are also places of discrimination. It is very unlikely that they would hire totally blind individual to teach a high school Spanish class without concerns. They would need to hire an Ed Tech and also there are some specific assistive to technology that I would need that is very expensive. For example, Braille display, et cetera. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 6, 2012, at 10:19 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: > Hope, > Are you working? If not, what is your area of study? I thought you were studying to be a Spanish teacher or something. > I saw you on the nobe list, so I know you want to teach. > Its too bad they did what they did to you. Discrimination is live and well around here. > > -----Original Message----- From: Hope Paulos > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 9:18 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting > > I couldn't agree more. Well said!!! There was an instance where I had > applied for an interpreter work-at-home position and I had the skills and > passed the language part of the interview with flying colors. As soon as I > mentioned I was blind I was told that I couldn't use a computer to take > notes, but sighted people could use pencils. I was told I wouldn't be a good > fit because I had to take breaks to take my dog outside. It was blatent > discrimination. Needless to say I filed a complaint with department of > justice and they got called out. I don't think they'll be doing anything > like that again. Just keep advocating!! > Hope > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Gloria G > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 9:05 PM > To: Misty Dawn Bradley; National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting > > Hi, > What I find interesting is the organizations that provide services to > persons with disabilities and tell the clients they can do whatever they put > their minds to as long as they work hard and advicate for themselves, turn > away a blind person because they feel we are unable to complete tasks. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Misty Dawn Bradley" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:49 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting > > >> Hi, >> I also ran into the same issue when applying for a full-time position >> with AmeriCorps. The people conducting the interview kept emphasizing >> the paperwork, and I tried to explain that there are ways that I could >> do the paperwork, but I still did not get the position. It surprised >> me, because I worked in that same office and turned in all reports and >> paperwork on time, although I had a different supervisor and it was a >> different program. I think part of it was that I did not have >> experience in the area of the position, but I also think part of it >> was the paperwork, because that point was emphasized indirectly during the > interview. >> Thanks, >> Misty >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Gloria G" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:41 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >> >> >>> Hi, >>> I am not offended or anything by the questions that are asked. I am >>> just upset that I am not given a chance. It is almost as if the >>> employer has decided what I can and can not do the minute I walk in >>> the door with my cane. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "David Dodge" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:36 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>> >>> >>>> Gloria, >>>> It definitely sounds like you are going about things the right way. >>>> >>>> I would try not to get discouraged or be concerned by the questions >>>> the interviewer is asking. It is definitely not a bad thing for a >>>> blind person to help a sighted person better understand how the >>>> employment would work. >>>> Think of it as an opportunity for you to advocate and teach the >>>> potential employer something. >>>> >>>> The best that can be done is what you are doing - honestly answering >>>> questions and explaining things. >>>> >>>> David >>>> ---------------------------------- >>>> David Dodge >>>> Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson English Major >>>> University at Buffalo >>>> 306 Clemens Hall >>>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Gloria G >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Hope, >>>>> Did you go to get your masters in rehab counseling? I have also >>>>> thought of getting a masters in rehab counseling. >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" >>>>> >>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" < >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:16 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> No. I'm currently hunting for a job as well. I just answered them >>>>> as you >>>>>> do, >>>>>> explaining how I would do certain things and giving examples. I >>>>>> applied for a vocational rehabilitation counselor I. position and >>>>>> I would be working with individuals with disabilities as well as >>>>>> mental health diagnoses. >>>>>> Nothing offends me so they can ask any question they want >>>>>> regarding my blindness. It's just a matter of overcoming the >>>>>> stereotypes put on us by people who don't know what we really can >>>>>> do. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org] >>>>>> On Behalf >>>>>> Of Gloria G >>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:13 PM >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Hope, >>>>>> Do you currently work? If so how did you get around those questions? >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" >>>>>> >>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 6:52 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Gloria. I think you're taking the right approach. I always >>>>>> disclose my >>>>>>> blindness (it's hard for them not to see that I'm blind because >>>>>>> of my guide dog). I'd just continue to advocate for yourself as >>>>>>> far as working with at risk youth. >>>>>>> Hope >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org] >>>>>>> On >>>>>>> Behalf >>>>>>> Of Gloria G >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:24 PM >>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>> I was wondering how do you handle interviews when the talk of >>>>>>> blindness comes up? I have had some interviews and in some cases >>>>>>> the interviewer does not bring up my blindness, but I know it is >>>>>>> something that is very noticable as soon as I walk in the door. I >>>>>>> try to remain calm and answer the questions that pertain to the >>>>>>> position I am applying for and I discuss how I would handle these >>>>>>> tasks despite my blindness. There are those interviewers who just >>>>>>> come right out and ask how I am going to complete the task >>>>>>> required of me as a blind person. I answer and give examples of >>>>>>> how I would complete the tasks. I guess I should have started out >>>>>>> by saying I am a psychology and sociology double major and want >>>>>>> to work with at risk youth as a counselor. >>>>>>> Because I do not yet have my degree I am trying to gain as much >>>>>>> experience as possible because this is what future employers will >>>>>>> be looking for, but the problem I run into is there are many >>>>>>> organizations that work with at risk youth in the town I live in, >>>>>>> but there is always the question of how I am going to work with >>>>>>> the youth as a blind person. I have also thought of doing any >>>>>>> work that envolved providing services to youth, women, families >>>>>>> such as, homeless shelters and things of that nature. I am just >>>>>>> feeling defeated at this point, because every door I have opened >>>>>>> has closed shut in my face, and it only seems to be due to me >>>>>>> being blind. I just want someone to give me a chance because I >>>>>>> know I can do the work. >>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org>>>>>> net.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>>> hope.paulos%40gmail.com>>>>> fbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org>>>>>> net.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>>> gloria.graves%40gmail.co>>>>> nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.co> >>>>>> m >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org>>>>> et.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>>> hope.paulos%40gmail.com>>>>> fbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org>>>>> et.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>>> gloria.graves%40gmail.com>>>>> _nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org>>>> t.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>> daviddod%40buffalo.edu>>>> net.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40 >>>> gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40g >>> mail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gm >> ail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com From gloria.graves at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 13:43:14 2012 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 08:43:14 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting References: <46F7896E7B4D4E5499A195CEC5CBACBE@Gloria><032b01cd742e$95f1ecb0$c1d5c610$@gmail.com><943949334A0D45B082C2B14DD2703CA1@Gloria><003001cd7431$f593b510$e0bb1f30$@gmail.com><31513C28028148D1AAE62DC957F1BBC8@Gloria><0CD15F79C99B43468A11D866055E71A3@Gloria> Message-ID: <1CFA346543CD420497AC673C6FA4DFCD@Gloria> The positions that I have been applying for are volinteer intern positions. I am going this rouot because I know employers want to see that a person has experience. I made mintion of the masters in Rehab Counseling because this is what I have been exploring. The positions I have been applying for are with organizations that provide services to youth with behavioral and mental challenges. I will just continue to put myself out there and see what happens. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting > Gloria, > if this is not a volunteer position, you may want to volunteer first to > prove you can handle it all. > If you already did that, use past experience in the interview to prove you > can and have handled past issues. > What exactly do they ask that are concerns? You might want to ask blind > social workers who did this. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gloria G > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:41 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting > > Hi, > I am not offended or anything by the questions that are asked. I am just > upset that I am not given a chance. It is almost as if the employer has > decided what I can and can not do the minute I walk in the door with my > cane. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Dodge" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:36 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting > > >> Gloria, >> It definitely sounds like you are going about things the right way. >> >> I would try not to get discouraged or be concerned by the questions the >> interviewer is asking. It is definitely not a bad thing for a blind >> person >> to help a sighted person better understand how the employment would work. >> Think of it as an opportunity for you to advocate and teach the potential >> employer something. >> >> The best that can be done is what you are doing - honestly answering >> questions and explaining things. >> >> David >> ---------------------------------- >> David Dodge >> Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson >> English Major >> University at Buffalo >> 306 Clemens Hall >> Buffalo, NY 14260 >> daviddod at buffalo.edu >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Gloria G wrote: >> >>> Hi Hope, >>> Did you go to get your masters in rehab counseling? I have also thought >>> of >>> getting a masters in rehab counseling. >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" >>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" < >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:16 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>> >>> >>> No. I'm currently hunting for a job as well. I just answered them as >>> you >>>> do, >>>> explaining how I would do certain things and giving examples. I applied >>>> for >>>> a vocational rehabilitation counselor I. position and I would be >>>> working >>>> with individuals with disabilities as well as mental health diagnoses. >>>> Nothing offends me so they can ask any question they want regarding my >>>> blindness. It's just a matter of overcoming the stereotypes put on us >>>> by >>>> people who don't know what we really can do. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org] >>>> On Behalf >>>> Of Gloria G >>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:13 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>> >>>> Hi Hope, >>>> Do you currently work? If so how did you get around those questions? >>>> Thanks >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" >>>> >>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>> >>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 6:52 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Gloria. I think you're taking the right approach. I always disclose >>>> my >>>>> blindness (it's hard for them not to see that I'm blind because of my >>>>> guide >>>>> dog). I'd just continue to advocate for yourself as far as working >>>>> with >>>>> at >>>>> risk youth. >>>>> Hope >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org] >>>>> On >>>>> Behalf >>>>> Of Gloria G >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:24 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> I was wondering how do you handle interviews when the talk of >>>>> blindness >>>>> comes up? I have had some interviews and in some cases the interviewer >>>>> does >>>>> not bring up my blindness, but I know it is something that is very >>>>> noticable >>>>> as soon as I walk in the door. I try to remain calm and answer the >>>>> questions >>>>> that pertain to the position I am applying for and I discuss how I >>>>> would >>>>> handle these tasks despite my blindness. There are those interviewers >>>>> who >>>>> just come right out and ask how I am going to complete the task >>>>> required >>>>> of >>>>> me as a blind person. I answer and give examples of how I would >>>>> complete >>>>> the >>>>> tasks. I guess I should have started out by saying I am a psychology >>>>> and >>>>> sociology double major and want to work with at risk youth as a >>>>> counselor. >>>>> Because I do not yet have my degree I am trying to gain as much >>>>> experience >>>>> as possible because this is what future employers will be looking for, >>>>> but >>>>> the problem I run into is there are many organizations that work with >>>>> at >>>>> risk youth in the town I live in, but there is always the question of >>>>> how >>>>> I >>>>> am going to work with the youth as a blind person. I have also thought >>>>> of >>>>> doing any work that envolved providing services to youth, women, >>>>> families >>>>> such as, homeless shelters and things of that nature. I am just >>>>> feeling >>>>> defeated at this point, because every door I have opened has closed >>>>> shut >>>>> in >>>>> my face, and it only seems to be due to me being blind. I just want >>>>> someone >>>>> to give me a chance because I know I can do the work. >>>>> Thanks >>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>> hope.paulos%40gmail.com >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>> gloria.graves%40gmail.co >>>> m >>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>> hope.paulos%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>> gloria.graves%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>> daviddod%40buffalo.edu >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Aug 7 13:43:20 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 08:43:20 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting In-Reply-To: <93E41118-0A40-4D53-9E17-C74277FDAC4F@gmail.com> References: <46F7896E7B4D4E5499A195CEC5CBACBE@Gloria> <032b01cd742e$95f1ecb0$c1d5c610$@gmail.com> <943949334A0D45B082C2B14DD2703CA1@Gloria> <003001cd7431$f593b510$e0bb1f30$@gmail.com> <31513C28028148D1AAE62DC957F1BBC8@Gloria> <0CD15F79C99B43468A11D866055E71A3@Gloria> <0D19AAEBB7C843DA9161953E67872631@acerd37f251f21> <9904B75A033049CA85A9FBD3380033D6@Gloria> <000c01cd743a$9a46aa60$ced3ff20$@gmail.com> <93E41118-0A40-4D53-9E17-C74277FDAC4F@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, Hope. What assistive technology would you need, that would be expensive? Who needs Jaws, when there's NVDA, which is free? Just a suggestion. Thanks, Joshua On 8/7/12, Hope Paulos wrote: > Hi there. I received my degree in secondary education with concentration in > Spanish and another in modern languages focusing in Spanish and German. I've > decided though, that I do not want to teach. I would rather be a vocational > rehabilitation counselor. I know that if I work at my state agency, I can > receive funding assistance with the grant provided by our essay. I'm hoping > to go that route and obtain my masters degree. Unfortunately, public schools > are also places of discrimination. It is very unlikely that they would hire > totally blind individual to teach a high school Spanish class without > concerns. They would need to hire an Ed Tech and also there are some > specific assistive to technology that I would need that is very expensive. > For example, Braille display, et cetera. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 6, 2012, at 10:19 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" > wrote: > >> Hope, >> Are you working? If not, what is your area of study? I thought you were >> studying to be a Spanish teacher or something. >> I saw you on the nobe list, so I know you want to teach. >> Its too bad they did what they did to you. Discrimination is live and well >> around here. >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Hope Paulos >> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 9:18 PM >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >> >> I couldn't agree more. Well said!!! There was an instance where I had >> applied for an interpreter work-at-home position and I had the skills and >> passed the language part of the interview with flying colors. As soon as >> I >> mentioned I was blind I was told that I couldn't use a computer to take >> notes, but sighted people could use pencils. I was told I wouldn't be a >> good >> fit because I had to take breaks to take my dog outside. It was blatent >> discrimination. Needless to say I filed a complaint with department of >> justice and they got called out. I don't think they'll be doing anything >> like that again. Just keep advocating!! >> Hope >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Gloria G >> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 9:05 PM >> To: Misty Dawn Bradley; National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >> >> Hi, >> What I find interesting is the organizations that provide services to >> persons with disabilities and tell the clients they can do whatever they >> put >> their minds to as long as they work hard and advicate for themselves, >> turn >> away a blind person because they feel we are unable to complete tasks. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Misty Dawn Bradley" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:49 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >> >> >>> Hi, >>> I also ran into the same issue when applying for a full-time position >>> with AmeriCorps. The people conducting the interview kept emphasizing >>> the paperwork, and I tried to explain that there are ways that I could >>> do the paperwork, but I still did not get the position. It surprised >>> me, because I worked in that same office and turned in all reports and >>> paperwork on time, although I had a different supervisor and it was a >>> different program. I think part of it was that I did not have >>> experience in the area of the position, but I also think part of it >>> was the paperwork, because that point was emphasized indirectly during >>> the >> interview. >>> Thanks, >>> Misty >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Gloria G" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:41 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>> >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> I am not offended or anything by the questions that are asked. I am >>>> just upset that I am not given a chance. It is almost as if the >>>> employer has decided what I can and can not do the minute I walk in >>>> the door with my cane. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "David Dodge" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:36 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>> >>>> >>>>> Gloria, >>>>> It definitely sounds like you are going about things the right way. >>>>> >>>>> I would try not to get discouraged or be concerned by the questions >>>>> the interviewer is asking. It is definitely not a bad thing for a >>>>> blind person to help a sighted person better understand how the >>>>> employment would work. >>>>> Think of it as an opportunity for you to advocate and teach the >>>>> potential employer something. >>>>> >>>>> The best that can be done is what you are doing - honestly answering >>>>> questions and explaining things. >>>>> >>>>> David >>>>> ---------------------------------- >>>>> David Dodge >>>>> Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson English Major >>>>> University at Buffalo >>>>> 306 Clemens Hall >>>>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>>>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Gloria G >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Hope, >>>>>> Did you go to get your masters in rehab counseling? I have also >>>>>> thought of getting a masters in rehab counseling. >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" >>>>>> >>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" < >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:16 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> No. I'm currently hunting for a job as well. I just answered them >>>>>> as you >>>>>>> do, >>>>>>> explaining how I would do certain things and giving examples. I >>>>>>> applied for a vocational rehabilitation counselor I. position and >>>>>>> I would be working with individuals with disabilities as well as >>>>>>> mental health diagnoses. >>>>>>> Nothing offends me so they can ask any question they want >>>>>>> regarding my blindness. It's just a matter of overcoming the >>>>>>> stereotypes put on us by people who don't know what we really can >>>>>>> do. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org] >>>>>>> On Behalf >>>>>>> Of Gloria G >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:13 PM >>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Hope, >>>>>>> Do you currently work? If so how did you get around those questions? >>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 6:52 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Gloria. I think you're taking the right approach. I always >>>>>>> disclose my >>>>>>>> blindness (it's hard for them not to see that I'm blind because >>>>>>>> of my guide dog). I'd just continue to advocate for yourself as >>>>>>>> far as working with at risk youth. >>>>>>>> Hope >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org] >>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>> Behalf >>>>>>>> Of Gloria G >>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:24 PM >>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>> I was wondering how do you handle interviews when the talk of >>>>>>>> blindness comes up? I have had some interviews and in some cases >>>>>>>> the interviewer does not bring up my blindness, but I know it is >>>>>>>> something that is very noticable as soon as I walk in the door. I >>>>>>>> try to remain calm and answer the questions that pertain to the >>>>>>>> position I am applying for and I discuss how I would handle these >>>>>>>> tasks despite my blindness. There are those interviewers who just >>>>>>>> come right out and ask how I am going to complete the task >>>>>>>> required of me as a blind person. I answer and give examples of >>>>>>>> how I would complete the tasks. I guess I should have started out >>>>>>>> by saying I am a psychology and sociology double major and want >>>>>>>> to work with at risk youth as a counselor. >>>>>>>> Because I do not yet have my degree I am trying to gain as much >>>>>>>> experience as possible because this is what future employers will >>>>>>>> be looking for, but the problem I run into is there are many >>>>>>>> organizations that work with at risk youth in the town I live in, >>>>>>>> but there is always the question of how I am going to work with >>>>>>>> the youth as a blind person. I have also thought of doing any >>>>>>>> work that envolved providing services to youth, women, families >>>>>>>> such as, homeless shelters and things of that nature. I am just >>>>>>>> feeling defeated at this point, because every door I have opened >>>>>>>> has closed shut in my face, and it only seems to be due to me >>>>>>>> being blind. I just want someone to give me a chance because I >>>>>>>> know I can do the work. >>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org>>>>>>> net.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>>>> hope.paulos%40gmail.com>>>>>> fbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org>>>>>>> net.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 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gmail.com Tue Aug 7 13:45:27 2012 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 08:45:27 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting References: <46F7896E7B4D4E5499A195CEC5CBACBE@Gloria> Message-ID: Hi, You said you work for yourself. What is it that you do, if you don't mind my asking. ----- Original Message ----- From: "wmodnl wmodnl" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Cc: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 10:09 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting > Welcome to America's Job market for disabled employees. You should > reconsider and work for yourself. I think that most would agree that > people who work and are successful in mainstream corporate America as > blind people are lucky as a small minority. I work for myself because I > do not want to be bothered educating a close-minded population. People > should not think twice why we have such poor standards since our people in > political power fail to realize that bad education from the start creates > much of these problems. Look abroad, you do not see such degrading > attitudes and poor standards in education, class, race, and disability. > Some would argue that our system is good, yet, it still trails the world. > We are living in a nation transforming itself into third-world status. > Sorry for the rant. > > > Sent from my iPad > > On Aug 6, 2012, at 7:25 PM, "Gloria G" wrote: > >> Hi all, >> I was wondering how do you handle interviews when the talk of blindness >> comes up? I have had some interviews and in some cases the interviewer >> does not bring up my blindness, but I know it is something that is very >> noticable as soon as I walk in the door. I try to remain calm and answer >> the questions that pertain to the position I am applying for and I >> discuss how I would handle these tasks despite my blindness. There are >> those interviewers who just come right out and ask how I am going to >> complete the task required of me as a blind person. I answer and give >> examples of how I would complete the tasks. I guess I should have started >> out by saying I am a psychology and sociology double major and want to >> work with at risk youth as a counselor. Because I do not yet have my >> degree I am trying to gain as much experience as possible because this is >> what future employers will be looking for, but the problem I run into is >> there are many organizations that work with at risk youth in the town I >> live in, but there is always the question of how I am going to work with >> the youth as a blind person. I have also thought of doing any work that >> envolved providing services to youth, women, families such as, homeless >> shelters and things of that nature. I am just feeling defeated at this >> point, because every door I have opened has closed shut in my face, and >> it only seems to be due to me being blind. I just want someone to give me >> a chance because I know I can do the work. >> Thanks >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From gloria.graves at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 13:46:59 2012 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 08:46:59 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting References: <46F7896E7B4D4E5499A195CEC5CBACBE@Gloria><032b01cd742e$95f1ecb0$c1d5c610$@gmail.com><943949334A0D45B082C2B14DD2703CA1@Gloria><003001cd7431$f593b510$e0bb1f30$@gmail.com><31513C28028148D1AAE62DC957F1BBC8@Gloria><0CD15F79C99B43468A11D866055E71A3@Gloria> <-1078582959448587144@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <3ECB64C88BF247E0AC8BB29DA3929CF4@Gloria> I have had employers say my blindness makes me a liability and I have had another employer tell me with no shame that I am blind so I would not be able to do the work and she didn't know what else she could tell me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ignasi Cambra" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 3:54 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting > Gloria, > Has any employer told you that they don't want to hire you because > you're blind? I'm asking this because finding a job is always hard, > and maybe there was another person that fitted their needs better than > you. It really sounds like you're doing everything the right way, so > I'm pretty sure things will eventually work out for you. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 6, 2012, at 5:45 PM, Gloria G wrote: > >> Hi, >> I am not offended or anything by the questions that are asked. I am just >> upset that I am not given a chance. It is almost as if the employer has >> decided what I can and can not do the minute I walk in the door with my >> cane. >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dodge" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:36 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >> >> >>> Gloria, >>> It definitely sounds like you are going about things the right way. >>> >>> I would try not to get discouraged or be concerned by the questions the >>> interviewer is asking. It is definitely not a bad thing for a blind >>> person >>> to help a sighted person better understand how the employment would >>> work. >>> Think of it as an opportunity for you to advocate and teach the >>> potential >>> employer something. >>> >>> The best that can be done is what you are doing - honestly answering >>> questions and explaining things. >>> >>> David >>> ---------------------------------- >>> David Dodge >>> Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson >>> English Major >>> University at Buffalo >>> 306 Clemens Hall >>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Gloria G >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Hope, >>>> Did you go to get your masters in rehab counseling? I have also thought >>>> of >>>> getting a masters in rehab counseling. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" >>>> >>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" < >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:16 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>> >>>> >>>> No. I'm currently hunting for a job as well. I just answered them as >>>> you >>>>> do, >>>>> explaining how I would do certain things and giving examples. I >>>>> applied >>>>> for >>>>> a vocational rehabilitation counselor I. position and I would be >>>>> working >>>>> with individuals with disabilities as well as mental health >>>>> diagnoses. >>>>> Nothing offends me so they can ask any question they want regarding my >>>>> blindness. It's just a matter of overcoming the stereotypes put on us >>>>> by >>>>> people who don't know what we really can do. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org] >>>>> On Behalf >>>>> Of Gloria G >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:13 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>> >>>>> Hi Hope, >>>>> Do you currently work? If so how did you get around those questions? >>>>> Thanks >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" >>>>> >>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>>> >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 6:52 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi Gloria. I think you're taking the right approach. I always disclose >>>>> my >>>>>> blindness (it's hard for them not to see that I'm blind because of >>>>>> my >>>>>> guide >>>>>> dog). I'd just continue to advocate for yourself as far as working >>>>>> with >>>>>> at >>>>>> risk youth. >>>>>> Hope >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org] >>>>>> On >>>>>> Behalf >>>>>> Of Gloria G >>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:24 PM >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>> I was wondering how do you handle interviews when the talk of >>>>>> blindness >>>>>> comes up? I have had some interviews and in some cases the >>>>>> interviewer >>>>>> does >>>>>> not bring up my blindness, but I know it is something that is very >>>>>> noticable >>>>>> as soon as I walk in the door. I try to remain calm and answer the >>>>>> questions >>>>>> that pertain to the position I am applying for and I discuss how I >>>>>> would >>>>>> handle these tasks despite my blindness. There are those interviewers >>>>>> who >>>>>> just come right out and ask how I am going to complete the task >>>>>> required >>>>>> of >>>>>> me as a blind person. I answer and give examples of how I would >>>>>> complete >>>>>> the >>>>>> tasks. I guess I should have started out by saying I am a psychology >>>>>> and >>>>>> sociology double major and want to work with at risk youth as a >>>>>> counselor. >>>>>> Because I do not yet have my degree I am trying to gain as much >>>>>> experience >>>>>> as possible because this is what future employers will be looking >>>>>> for, >>>>>> but >>>>>> the problem I run into is there are many organizations that work with >>>>>> at >>>>>> risk youth in the town I live in, but there is always the question of >>>>>> how >>>>>> I >>>>>> am going to work with the youth as a blind person. I have also >>>>>> thought of >>>>>> doing any work that envolved providing services to youth, women, >>>>>> families >>>>>> such as, homeless shelters and things of that nature. I am just >>>>>> feeling >>>>>> defeated at this point, because every door I have opened has closed >>>>>> shut >>>>>> in >>>>>> my face, and it only seems to be due to me being blind. I just want >>>>>> someone >>>>>> to give me a chance because I know I can do the work. >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>> hope.paulos%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>> gloria.graves%40gmail.co >>>>> m >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>> hope.paulos%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>> gloria.graves%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>> daviddod%40buffalo.edu >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Aug 7 13:52:11 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 08:52:11 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting In-Reply-To: <3ECB64C88BF247E0AC8BB29DA3929CF4@Gloria> References: <46F7896E7B4D4E5499A195CEC5CBACBE@Gloria> <032b01cd742e$95f1ecb0$c1d5c610$@gmail.com> <943949334A0D45B082C2B14DD2703CA1@Gloria> <003001cd7431$f593b510$e0bb1f30$@gmail.com> <31513C28028148D1AAE62DC957F1BBC8@Gloria> <0CD15F79C99B43468A11D866055E71A3@Gloria> <-1078582959448587144@unknownmsgid> <3ECB64C88BF247E0AC8BB29DA3929CF4@Gloria> Message-ID: Wow! You need to seriously talk to Mr LaBarre! He'll find someone to represent you. Discrimination based on disability must stop! Blessings, Joshua On 8/7/12, Gloria G wrote: > I have had employers say my blindness makes me a liability and I have had > another employer tell me with no shame that I am blind so I would not be > able to do the work and she didn't know what else she could tell me. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ignasi Cambra" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 3:54 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting > > >> Gloria, >> Has any employer told you that they don't want to hire you because >> you're blind? I'm asking this because finding a job is always hard, >> and maybe there was another person that fitted their needs better than >> you. It really sounds like you're doing everything the right way, so >> I'm pretty sure things will eventually work out for you. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Aug 6, 2012, at 5:45 PM, Gloria G wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> I am not offended or anything by the questions that are asked. I am just >>> >>> upset that I am not given a chance. It is almost as if the employer has >>> decided what I can and can not do the minute I walk in the door with my >>> cane. >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dodge" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:36 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>> >>> >>>> Gloria, >>>> It definitely sounds like you are going about things the right way. >>>> >>>> I would try not to get discouraged or be concerned by the questions the >>>> interviewer is asking. It is definitely not a bad thing for a blind >>>> person >>>> to help a sighted person better understand how the employment would >>>> work. >>>> Think of it as an opportunity for you to advocate and teach the >>>> potential >>>> employer something. >>>> >>>> The best that can be done is what you are doing - honestly answering >>>> questions and explaining things. >>>> >>>> David >>>> ---------------------------------- >>>> David Dodge >>>> Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson >>>> English Major >>>> University at Buffalo >>>> 306 Clemens Hall >>>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Gloria G >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Hope, >>>>> Did you go to get your masters in rehab counseling? I have also thought >>>>> >>>>> of >>>>> getting a masters in rehab counseling. >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" >>>>> >>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" < >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:16 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> No. I'm currently hunting for a job as well. I just answered them as >>>>> you >>>>>> do, >>>>>> explaining how I would do certain things and giving examples. I >>>>>> applied >>>>>> for >>>>>> a vocational rehabilitation counselor I. position and I would be >>>>>> working >>>>>> with individuals with disabilities as well as mental health >>>>>> diagnoses. >>>>>> Nothing offends me so they can ask any question they want regarding >>>>>> my >>>>>> blindness. It's just a matter of overcoming the stereotypes put on us >>>>>> >>>>>> by >>>>>> people who don't know what we really can do. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org] >>>>>> On Behalf >>>>>> Of Gloria G >>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:13 PM >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Hope, >>>>>> Do you currently work? If so how did you get around those questions? >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" >>>>>> >>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 6:52 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Gloria. I think you're taking the right approach. I always disclose >>>>>> >>>>>> my >>>>>>> blindness (it's hard for them not to see that I'm blind because of >>>>>>> my >>>>>>> guide >>>>>>> dog). I'd just continue to advocate for yourself as far as working >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> at >>>>>>> risk youth. >>>>>>> Hope >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org] >>>>>>> On >>>>>>> Behalf >>>>>>> Of Gloria G >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:24 PM >>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>> I was wondering how do you handle interviews when the talk of >>>>>>> blindness >>>>>>> comes up? I have had some interviews and in some cases the >>>>>>> interviewer >>>>>>> does >>>>>>> not bring up my blindness, but I know it is something that is very >>>>>>> noticable >>>>>>> as soon as I walk in the door. I try to remain calm and answer the >>>>>>> questions >>>>>>> that pertain to the position I am applying for and I discuss how I >>>>>>> would >>>>>>> handle these tasks despite my blindness. There are those interviewers >>>>>>> >>>>>>> who >>>>>>> just come right out and ask how I am going to complete the task >>>>>>> required >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> me as a blind person. I answer and give examples of how I would >>>>>>> complete >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> tasks. I guess I should have started out by saying I am a psychology >>>>>>> >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> sociology double major and want to work with at risk youth as a >>>>>>> counselor. >>>>>>> Because I do not yet have my degree I am trying to gain as much >>>>>>> experience >>>>>>> as possible because this is what future employers will be looking >>>>>>> for, >>>>>>> but >>>>>>> the problem I run into is there are many organizations that work with >>>>>>> >>>>>>> at >>>>>>> risk youth in the town I live in, but there is always the question of >>>>>>> >>>>>>> how >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> am going to work with the youth as a blind person. I have also >>>>>>> thought of >>>>>>> doing any work that envolved providing services to youth, women, >>>>>>> families >>>>>>> such as, homeless shelters and things of that nature. I am just >>>>>>> feeling >>>>>>> defeated at this point, because every door I have opened has closed >>>>>>> shut >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> my face, and it only seems to be due to me being blind. I just want >>>>>>> someone >>>>>>> to give me a chance because I know I can do the work. >>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>>> hope.paulos%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>>> gloria.graves%40gmail.co >>>>>> m >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>>> hope.paulos%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>>> gloria.graves%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>> daviddod%40buffalo.edu >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From ptrck.molloy at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 15:26:55 2012 From: ptrck.molloy at gmail.com (Patrick Molloy) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 11:26:55 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] files in protected view Message-ID: Hey NABS: I'm really not sure where to go with this one. I have word 2010. When I get files as e-mail attachments and try to open them, they open in protected view. This means I can't work with them in any way. Is there a way to turn off protected view, so that it doesn't happen every time I get an e-mail with an attachment I want to read? Thanks, Patrick From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Aug 7 15:30:08 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 10:30:08 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] files in protected view In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes. All you have to do, is instead of hitting view as HTML, just open the document, and it will save to Microsoft Word. Then, just open the document up in Word, and you can work with it. You can't deal with it in an E-mail, though. Blessings, Joshua On 8/7/12, Patrick Molloy wrote: > Hey NABS: > I'm really not sure where to go with this one. I have word 2010. When > I get files as e-mail attachments and try to open them, they open in > protected view. This means I can't work with them in any way. Is there > a way to turn off protected view, so that it doesn't happen every time > I get an e-mail with an attachment I want to read? > Thanks, > Patrick > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 15:45:17 2012 From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 11:45:17 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] files in protected view In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2A9E98E7-6119-4F0F-81D8-19F666E5291D@gmail.com> Actually, if a document opens in protected mode, that means that the document has already opened in word. To disable it, press f6 and you will find options to turn it off. Once that is done, you should be able to edit the document. Since this is off topic for this list, feel free to email me off list if you have any questions. Aleeha Dudley President, Ohio Association of Blind Students Changing what it means to be blind On Aug 7, 2012, at 11:30 AM, Joshua Lester wrote: > Yes. > All you have to do, is instead of hitting view as HTML, just open the > document, and it will save to Microsoft Word. > Then, just open the document up in Word, and you can work with it. > You can't deal with it in an E-mail, though. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 8/7/12, Patrick Molloy wrote: >> Hey NABS: >> I'm really not sure where to go with this one. I have word 2010. When >> I get files as e-mail attachments and try to open them, they open in >> protected view. This means I can't work with them in any way. Is there >> a way to turn off protected view, so that it doesn't happen every time >> I get an e-mail with an attachment I want to read? >> Thanks, >> Patrick >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com From kaybaycar at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 15:46:55 2012 From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 10:46:55 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] files in protected view In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Patric, I have had to deal with the same problem. Unfortunately, I don't think there is any way to turn it off entirely. You'll just have to go into the ribbon and then control tab to where the status bar tool bar would be and then press tab. Then there will be a button to take it out of protected view. I am curious to see though if anyone else has found a short cut for this or a way to turn it off completely. On 8/7/12, Joshua Lester wrote: > Yes. > All you have to do, is instead of hitting view as HTML, just open the > document, and it will save to Microsoft Word. > Then, just open the document up in Word, and you can work with it. > You can't deal with it in an E-mail, though. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 8/7/12, Patrick Molloy wrote: >> Hey NABS: >> I'm really not sure where to go with this one. I have word 2010. When >> I get files as e-mail attachments and try to open them, they open in >> protected view. This means I can't work with them in any way. Is there >> a way to turn off protected view, so that it doesn't happen every time >> I get an e-mail with an attachment I want to read? >> Thanks, >> Patrick >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > -- Julie McG Lindbergh High School class of 2009, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri recording secretary, Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, and proud graduate of Guiding Eyes for the Blind "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life." John 3:16 From clb5590 at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 17:40:12 2012 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cynthia Bennett) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 10:40:12 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] files in protected view In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey. This is definitely on topic since students have to work with Microsoft Word all the time. Saving as also does the trick. You will have to "enable saving," when the window pops up, but after you do this, you can save as just as you would any other file. But I do like that you can turn it off without saving, because I have found that even navigating a document in protected view can be difficult, and I get sick of saving attachments I only want to read and then close. Cindy On 8/7/12, Julie McGinnity wrote: > Hi Patric, > > I have had to deal with the same problem. Unfortunately, I don't > think there is any way to turn it off entirely. You'll just have to > go into the ribbon and then control tab to where the status bar tool > bar would be and then press tab. Then there will be a button to take > it out of protected view. I am curious to see though if anyone else > has found a short cut for this or a way to turn it off completely. > > On 8/7/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >> Yes. >> All you have to do, is instead of hitting view as HTML, just open the >> document, and it will save to Microsoft Word. >> Then, just open the document up in Word, and you can work with it. >> You can't deal with it in an E-mail, though. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 8/7/12, Patrick Molloy wrote: >>> Hey NABS: >>> I'm really not sure where to go with this one. I have word 2010. When >>> I get files as e-mail attachments and try to open them, they open in >>> protected view. This means I can't work with them in any way. Is there >>> a way to turn off protected view, so that it doesn't happen every time >>> I get an e-mail with an attachment I want to read? >>> Thanks, >>> Patrick >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Julie McG > Lindbergh High School class of 2009, National Federation of the Blind > of Missouri recording secretary, > Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, > and proud graduate of Guiding Eyes for the Blind > > "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that > everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal > life." > John 3:16 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com > -- Cynthia Bennett B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com 828.989.5383 From anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com Tue Aug 7 18:13:40 2012 From: anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com (Anmol Bhatia) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 11:13:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] coupon shopping and looking for sales Message-ID: <1344363220.71968.YahooMailClassic@web162002.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Does anyone looking for coupons and sales when shopping? I am wondering how to looking for coupons that are usually published in the newspapers as well as the sales. I really need to start using coupons and look for sales and try to save some money. Most sighted people are able to find coupons and sales in the newspaper, but since this is not available on the NFB Newsline, besides target sales, I am just wondering how to go about doing this. thanks Anmol I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers. Hellen Keller From zerone1683 at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 18:19:42 2012 From: zerone1683 at gmail.com (Chun Chao) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 11:19:42 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] files in protected view In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Are you checking your email via Outlook or are you doing it logged in online?? If you are checking your email via Outlook, what you might want to do is go into the preferences/settings to disable the protected view permanently. Another way to access an attachment via Outlook is to continuously tab around the message window until you get to the attachments field, then arrow left or right to the attachment that you want. Use the applications key to open a submenu and arrow down to the option Save As. The one important thing that you want to check for once the file is saved into your computer is to go to the saved file, use applications key for the submenu, and select the option Properties. Make sure that there is no Unblock button below the Advanced button in the properties dialogue box. If there is a Unblock button, activate the button and the file should be workable. The annoying thing about having to unblock the file manually through the properties dialogue box is that the properties dialogue box becomes unavailable whenever the Unblock button is activated. In order to apply change, use Alt+Tab as if navigating between windows until the properties dialogue box comes up, afterwards, tab down to activate the apply button and then the OK button. This is the only work around I know of and have always used. C.C. Alan On 8/7/12, Cynthia Bennett wrote: > Hey. This is definitely on topic since students have to work with > Microsoft Word all the time. Saving as also does the trick. You will > have to "enable saving," when the window pops up, but after you do > this, you can save as just as you would any other file. But I do like > that you can turn it off without saving, because I have found that > even navigating a document in protected view can be difficult, and I > get sick of saving attachments I only want to read and then close. > > Cindy > > On 8/7/12, Julie McGinnity wrote: >> Hi Patric, >> >> I have had to deal with the same problem. Unfortunately, I don't >> think there is any way to turn it off entirely. You'll just have to >> go into the ribbon and then control tab to where the status bar tool >> bar would be and then press tab. Then there will be a button to take >> it out of protected view. I am curious to see though if anyone else >> has found a short cut for this or a way to turn it off completely. >> >> On 8/7/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> Yes. >>> All you have to do, is instead of hitting view as HTML, just open the >>> document, and it will save to Microsoft Word. >>> Then, just open the document up in Word, and you can work with it. >>> You can't deal with it in an E-mail, though. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 8/7/12, Patrick Molloy wrote: >>>> Hey NABS: >>>> I'm really not sure where to go with this one. I have word 2010. When >>>> I get files as e-mail attachments and try to open them, they open in >>>> protected view. This means I can't work with them in any way. Is there >>>> a way to turn off protected view, so that it doesn't happen every time >>>> I get an e-mail with an attachment I want to read? >>>> Thanks, >>>> Patrick >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Julie McG >> Lindbergh High School class of 2009, National Federation of the Blind >> of Missouri recording secretary, >> Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, >> and proud graduate of Guiding Eyes for the Blind >> >> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that >> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal >> life." >> John 3:16 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Cynthia Bennett > B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington > > clb5590 at gmail.com > 828.989.5383 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zerone1683%40gmail.com > From joshkart12 at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 18:24:56 2012 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (josh gregory) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 14:24:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] coupon shopping and looking for sales In-Reply-To: <1344363220.71968.YahooMailClassic@web162002.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1344363220.71968.YahooMailClassic@web162002.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: There are sites that give them to you and you just print them, I think one may be couponbug.com. On 8/7/12, Anmol Bhatia wrote: > Does anyone looking for coupons and sales when shopping? I am wondering how > to looking for coupons that are usually published in the newspapers as well > as the sales. I really need to start using coupons and look for sales and > try to save some money. Most sighted people are able to find coupons and > sales in the newspaper, but since this is not available on the NFB Newsline, > besides target sales, I am just wondering how to go about doing this. > thanks > Anmol > I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps > there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze > among flowers. > Hellen Keller > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com > -- Ways to Connect with me: facebook.com/evercuriousmasteryodo twitter.com/joshg93 Skype: joshgregory93 FaceTime, iMessage and iChat: joshkart12 at gmail.com From zerone1683 at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 18:33:00 2012 From: zerone1683 at gmail.com (Chun Chao) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 11:33:00 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] coupon shopping and looking for sales In-Reply-To: <1344363220.71968.YahooMailClassic@web162002.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1344363220.71968.YahooMailClassic@web162002.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Try going into the website of stores that you often shop at. For example, you can go to www.walmart.com and find the link "printable coupons" as well as look at "local ads" or "specials". Also, most if not all store websites have a "find a store" feature that can help you find the store(s) in your area and show sales that might be taking place in those stores. As for larger items like devices or electronics, ordering them online can save you more than getting them at the store. C.C. Alan On 8/7/12, Anmol Bhatia wrote: > Does anyone looking for coupons and sales when shopping? I am wondering how > to looking for coupons that are usually published in the newspapers as well > as the sales. I really need to start using coupons and look for sales and > try to save some money. Most sighted people are able to find coupons and > sales in the newspaper, but since this is not available on the NFB Newsline, > besides target sales, I am just wondering how to go about doing this. > thanks > Anmol > I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps > there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze > among flowers. > Hellen Keller > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zerone1683%40gmail.com > From anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com Tue Aug 7 18:38:51 2012 From: anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com (Anmol Bhatia) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 11:38:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] coupon shopping and looking for sales In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1344364731.17258.YahooMailClassic@web162002.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Thats all good suggestions, but what I am wondering the local newspapers I believe it mostly is the Sunday newspaper have sales for the local stores and I am wondering if there is a way a blind person can access that information. Sometimes the stores that you do not shop at have some really good sales and the only way to find out about them is through the newspaper. Anmol I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers. Hellen Keller --- On Tue, 8/7/12, Chun Chao wrote: > From: Chun Chao > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] coupon shopping and looking for sales > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date: Tuesday, August 7, 2012, 1:33 PM > Try going into the website of stores > that you often shop at. > For example, you can go to www.walmart.com and find the > link > "printable coupons" as well as look at "local ads" or > "specials". > Also, most if not all store websites have a "find a store" > feature > that can help you find the store(s) in your area and show > sales that > might be taking place in those stores. > As for larger items like devices or electronics, ordering > them online > can save you more than getting them at the store. > > C.C. Alan > > On 8/7/12, Anmol Bhatia > wrote: > > Does anyone looking for coupons and sales when > shopping? I am wondering how > > to looking for coupons that are usually published in > the newspapers as well > > as the sales. I really need to start using coupons and > look for sales and > > try to save some money. Most sighted people are able to > find coupons and > > sales in the newspaper, but since this is not available > on the NFB Newsline, > > besides target sales, I am just wondering how to go > about doing this. > > thanks > > Anmol > > I seldom think about my limitations, and they never > make me sad. Perhaps > > there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is > vague, like a breeze > > among flowers. > > Hellen Keller > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for > > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zerone1683%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbhatia%40yahoo.com > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue Aug 7 18:49:25 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 14:49:25 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting In-Reply-To: References: <46F7896E7B4D4E5499A195CEC5CBACBE@Gloria><032b01cd742e$95f1ecb0$c1d5c610$@gmail.com><943949334A0D45B082C2B14DD2703CA1@Gloria><003001cd7431$f593b510$e0bb1f30$@gmail.com><31513C28028148D1AAE62DC957F1BBC8@Gloria><0CD15F79C99B43468A11D866055E71A3@Gloria><0D19AAEBB7C843DA9161953E67872631@acerd37f251f21><9904B75A033049CA85A9FBD3380033D6@Gloria><000c01cd743a$9a46aa60$ced3ff20$@gmail.com><93E41118-0A40-4D53-9E17-C74277FDAC4F@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1A698C134F9A4EA99DE8CB418FF6C8BC@OwnerPC> Joshua, Most people need more than jaws on the job; a braille display and a notetaker are often needed. When you look for work, you will find how expensive technology is and that your employer is hesitant to hire you and buy it when they can hire sighted people with no accomodation purchases. -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 9:43 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting Hi, Hope. What assistive technology would you need, that would be expensive? Who needs Jaws, when there's NVDA, which is free? Just a suggestion. Thanks, Joshua On 8/7/12, Hope Paulos wrote: > Hi there. I received my degree in secondary education with concentration > in > Spanish and another in modern languages focusing in Spanish and German. > I've > decided though, that I do not want to teach. I would rather be a > vocational > rehabilitation counselor. I know that if I work at my state agency, I can > receive funding assistance with the grant provided by our essay. I'm > hoping > to go that route and obtain my masters degree. Unfortunately, public > schools > are also places of discrimination. It is very unlikely that they would > hire > totally blind individual to teach a high school Spanish class without > concerns. They would need to hire an Ed Tech and also there are some > specific assistive to technology that I would need that is very expensive. > For example, Braille display, et cetera. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 6, 2012, at 10:19 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" > wrote: > >> Hope, >> Are you working? If not, what is your area of study? I thought you were >> studying to be a Spanish teacher or something. >> I saw you on the nobe list, so I know you want to teach. >> Its too bad they did what they did to you. Discrimination is live and >> well >> around here. >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Hope Paulos >> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 9:18 PM >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >> >> I couldn't agree more. Well said!!! There was an instance where I had >> applied for an interpreter work-at-home position and I had the skills and >> passed the language part of the interview with flying colors. As soon as >> I >> mentioned I was blind I was told that I couldn't use a computer to take >> notes, but sighted people could use pencils. I was told I wouldn't be a >> good >> fit because I had to take breaks to take my dog outside. It was blatent >> discrimination. Needless to say I filed a complaint with department of >> justice and they got called out. I don't think they'll be doing anything >> like that again. Just keep advocating!! >> Hope >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Gloria G >> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 9:05 PM >> To: Misty Dawn Bradley; National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >> >> Hi, >> What I find interesting is the organizations that provide services to >> persons with disabilities and tell the clients they can do whatever they >> put >> their minds to as long as they work hard and advicate for themselves, >> turn >> away a blind person because they feel we are unable to complete tasks. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Misty Dawn Bradley" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:49 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >> >> >>> Hi, >>> I also ran into the same issue when applying for a full-time position >>> with AmeriCorps. The people conducting the interview kept emphasizing >>> the paperwork, and I tried to explain that there are ways that I could >>> do the paperwork, but I still did not get the position. It surprised >>> me, because I worked in that same office and turned in all reports and >>> paperwork on time, although I had a different supervisor and it was a >>> different program. I think part of it was that I did not have >>> experience in the area of the position, but I also think part of it >>> was the paperwork, because that point was emphasized indirectly during >>> the >> interview. >>> Thanks, >>> Misty >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Gloria G" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:41 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>> >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> I am not offended or anything by the questions that are asked. I am >>>> just upset that I am not given a chance. It is almost as if the >>>> employer has decided what I can and can not do the minute I walk in >>>> the door with my cane. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "David Dodge" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:36 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>> >>>> >>>>> Gloria, >>>>> It definitely sounds like you are going about things the right way. >>>>> >>>>> I would try not to get discouraged or be concerned by the questions >>>>> the interviewer is asking. It is definitely not a bad thing for a >>>>> blind person to help a sighted person better understand how the >>>>> employment would work. >>>>> Think of it as an opportunity for you to advocate and teach the >>>>> potential employer something. >>>>> >>>>> The best that can be done is what you are doing - honestly answering >>>>> questions and explaining things. >>>>> >>>>> David >>>>> ---------------------------------- >>>>> David Dodge >>>>> Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson English Major >>>>> University at Buffalo >>>>> 306 Clemens Hall >>>>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>>>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Gloria G >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Hope, >>>>>> Did you go to get your masters in rehab counseling? I have also >>>>>> thought of getting a masters in rehab counseling. >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" >>>>>> >>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" < >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:16 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> No. I'm currently hunting for a job as well. I just answered them >>>>>> as you >>>>>>> do, >>>>>>> explaining how I would do certain things and giving examples. I >>>>>>> applied for a vocational rehabilitation counselor I. position and >>>>>>> I would be working with individuals with disabilities as well as >>>>>>> mental health diagnoses. >>>>>>> Nothing offends me so they can ask any question they want >>>>>>> regarding my blindness. It's just a matter of overcoming the >>>>>>> stereotypes put on us by people who don't know what we really can >>>>>>> do. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org] >>>>>>> On Behalf >>>>>>> Of Gloria G >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:13 PM >>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Hope, >>>>>>> Do you currently work? If so how did you get around those questions? >>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 6:52 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Gloria. I think you're taking the right approach. I always >>>>>>> disclose my >>>>>>>> blindness (it's hard for them not to see that I'm blind because >>>>>>>> of my guide dog). I'd just continue to advocate for yourself as >>>>>>>> far as working with at risk youth. >>>>>>>> Hope >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org] >>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>> Behalf >>>>>>>> Of Gloria G >>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:24 PM >>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>> I was wondering how do you handle interviews when the talk of >>>>>>>> blindness comes up? I have had some interviews and in some cases >>>>>>>> the interviewer does not bring up my blindness, but I know it is >>>>>>>> something that is very noticable as soon as I walk in the door. I >>>>>>>> try to remain calm and answer the questions that pertain to the >>>>>>>> position I am applying for and I discuss how I would handle these >>>>>>>> tasks despite my blindness. There are those interviewers who just >>>>>>>> come right out and ask how I am going to complete the task >>>>>>>> required of me as a blind person. I answer and give examples of >>>>>>>> how I would complete the tasks. I guess I should have started out >>>>>>>> by saying I am a psychology and sociology double major and want >>>>>>>> to work with at risk youth as a counselor. >>>>>>>> Because I do not yet have my degree I am trying to gain as much >>>>>>>> experience as possible because this is what future employers will >>>>>>>> be looking for, but the problem I run into is there are many >>>>>>>> organizations that work with at risk youth in the town I live in, >>>>>>>> but there is always the question of how I am going to work with >>>>>>>> the youth as a blind person. I have also thought of doing any >>>>>>>> work that envolved providing services to youth, women, families >>>>>>>> such as, homeless shelters and things of that nature. I am just >>>>>>>> feeling defeated at this point, because every door I have opened >>>>>>>> has closed shut in my face, and it only seems to be due to me >>>>>>>> being blind. I just want someone to give me a chance because I >>>>>>>> know I can do the work. >>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org>>>>>>> net.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>>>> hope.paulos%40gmail.com>>>>>> fbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org>>>>>>> net.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 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_______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From zerone1683 at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 18:54:57 2012 From: zerone1683 at gmail.com (zerone1683 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 11:54:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] coupon shopping and looking for sales Message-ID: <1211126400.0.1344365692407.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> What are the newspapers in your area? visit the websites of the newspapers in your area and you will be able to access all their ads. C.C. Alan From gloria.graves at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 19:12:09 2012 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 14:12:09 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Downloading Books Message-ID: Hi all, Can anyone walk me through how to download books from the learning ali cite? Thanks From trillian551 at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 19:24:28 2012 From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 15:24:28 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] files in protected view In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi all, The easiest way to do this is to open the doc, hit ctrl+s for save, tab to enable saving, hit enter and just hit escape once you are in the save file dialogue. That way the protected mode is turned off but you didn't save it again. Sincerely, Mary On 8/7/12, Chun Chao wrote: > Are you checking your email via Outlook or are you doing it logged in > online?? > If you are checking your email via Outlook, what you might want to do > is go into the preferences/settings to disable the protected view > permanently. > > Another way to access an attachment via Outlook is to continuously tab > around the message window until you get to the attachments field, then > arrow left or right to the attachment that you want. > Use the applications key to open a submenu and arrow down to the option Save > As. > The one important thing that you want to check for once the file is > saved into your computer is to go to the saved file, use applications > key for the submenu, and select the option Properties. > Make sure that there is no Unblock button below the Advanced button in > the properties dialogue box. > If there is a Unblock button, activate the button and the file should > be workable. > The annoying thing about having to unblock the file manually through > the properties dialogue box is that the properties dialogue box > becomes unavailable whenever the Unblock button is activated. > In order to apply change, use Alt+Tab as if navigating between windows > until the properties dialogue box comes up, afterwards, tab down to > activate the apply button and then the OK button. > This is the only work around I know of and have always used. > > C.C. Alan > > On 8/7/12, Cynthia Bennett wrote: >> Hey. This is definitely on topic since students have to work with >> Microsoft Word all the time. Saving as also does the trick. You will >> have to "enable saving," when the window pops up, but after you do >> this, you can save as just as you would any other file. But I do like >> that you can turn it off without saving, because I have found that >> even navigating a document in protected view can be difficult, and I >> get sick of saving attachments I only want to read and then close. >> >> Cindy >> >> On 8/7/12, Julie McGinnity wrote: >>> Hi Patric, >>> >>> I have had to deal with the same problem. Unfortunately, I don't >>> think there is any way to turn it off entirely. You'll just have to >>> go into the ribbon and then control tab to where the status bar tool >>> bar would be and then press tab. Then there will be a button to take >>> it out of protected view. I am curious to see though if anyone else >>> has found a short cut for this or a way to turn it off completely. >>> >>> On 8/7/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>> Yes. >>>> All you have to do, is instead of hitting view as HTML, just open the >>>> document, and it will save to Microsoft Word. >>>> Then, just open the document up in Word, and you can work with it. >>>> You can't deal with it in an E-mail, though. >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>> >>>> On 8/7/12, Patrick Molloy wrote: >>>>> Hey NABS: >>>>> I'm really not sure where to go with this one. I have word 2010. When >>>>> I get files as e-mail attachments and try to open them, they open in >>>>> protected view. This means I can't work with them in any way. Is there >>>>> a way to turn off protected view, so that it doesn't happen every time >>>>> I get an e-mail with an attachment I want to read? >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Patrick >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Julie McG >>> Lindbergh High School class of 2009, National Federation of the Blind >>> of Missouri recording secretary, >>> Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, >>> and proud graduate of Guiding Eyes for the Blind >>> >>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that >>> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal >>> life." >>> John 3:16 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Cynthia Bennett >> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >> >> clb5590 at gmail.com >> 828.989.5383 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zerone1683%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com > -- Mary Fernandez Emory 2012 "A pioneer is not someone who makes her own soap. She is one who takes up her burdens and walks toward the future." -- Laurel Thatcher Ulrich From jty727 at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 19:25:02 2012 From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 15:25:02 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Downloading Books In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: When you go to the Learning Alley site first find the book you need. Once you find it, select the book to your book shelf. Then go to your book shelf. Once in your book shelf find the book you've added, then go to the combo box which has two selections(WMA or DAISY). Once you select which one you want it should download automatically. I'm not sure if you're using a PC cuz this is the way I use it on mine. If it doesn't download to the download manager hit Alt+n which will go to a menu bar of some sort which is kind of like a security feature(this is the best way I can describe it cuz I don't know the technical terms). If you have to do the Alt+n route, use the down arrow key until you get to Download and hit and then it should work. Hope this helps, Justin On 8/7/12, Gloria G wrote: > Hi all, > Can anyone walk me through how to download books from the learning ali cite? > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > From gloria.graves at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 19:37:38 2012 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 14:37:38 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Downloading Books References: Message-ID: <1BCF856F5E144801A8A529D5780A80BA@Gloria> thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Young" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Downloading Books > When you go to the Learning Alley site first find the book you need. > Once you find it, select the book to your book shelf. Then go to your > book shelf. Once in your book shelf find the book you've added, then > go to the combo box which has two selections(WMA or DAISY). Once you > select which one you want it should download automatically. I'm not > sure if you're using a PC cuz this is the way I use it on mine. If it > doesn't download to the download manager hit Alt+n which will go to a > menu bar of some sort which is kind of like a security feature(this is > the best way I can describe it cuz I don't know the technical terms). > If you have to do the Alt+n route, use the down arrow key until you > get to Download and hit and then it should work. > > Hope this helps, > > Justin > > On 8/7/12, Gloria G wrote: >> Hi all, >> Can anyone walk me through how to download books from the learning ali >> cite? >> Thanks >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From jty727 at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 19:38:50 2012 From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 15:38:50 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Downloading Books In-Reply-To: <1BCF856F5E144801A8A529D5780A80BA@Gloria> References: <1BCF856F5E144801A8A529D5780A80BA@Gloria> Message-ID: Not a problem On 8/7/12, Gloria G wrote: > thanks > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Justin Young" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 2:25 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Downloading Books > > >> When you go to the Learning Alley site first find the book you need. >> Once you find it, select the book to your book shelf. Then go to your >> book shelf. Once in your book shelf find the book you've added, then >> go to the combo box which has two selections(WMA or DAISY). Once you >> select which one you want it should download automatically. I'm not >> sure if you're using a PC cuz this is the way I use it on mine. If it >> doesn't download to the download manager hit Alt+n which will go to a >> menu bar of some sort which is kind of like a security feature(this is >> the best way I can describe it cuz I don't know the technical terms). >> If you have to do the Alt+n route, use the down arrow key until you >> get to Download and hit and then it should work. >> >> Hope this helps, >> >> Justin >> >> On 8/7/12, Gloria G wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> Can anyone walk me through how to download books from the learning ali >>> cite? >>> Thanks >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 20:20:36 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 16:20:36 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] files in protected view In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005601cd74da$1cef26a0$56cd73e0$@gmail.com> Hi Julie, That's what I do. Since I use Outlook for email, all files sent as email attachments show up in protected view when I open them in Word, so I have to do this sometimes. It would be nice, though, if there was a shortcut key to toggle between protected view and whatever the view is called that allows you to edit the document. Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie McGinnity Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 11:47 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] files in protected view Hi Patric, I have had to deal with the same problem. Unfortunately, I don't think there is any way to turn it off entirely. You'll just have to go into the ribbon and then control tab to where the status bar tool bar would be and then press tab. Then there will be a button to take it out of protected view. I am curious to see though if anyone else has found a short cut for this or a way to turn it off completely. On 8/7/12, Joshua Lester wrote: > Yes. > All you have to do, is instead of hitting view as HTML, just open the > document, and it will save to Microsoft Word. > Then, just open the document up in Word, and you can work with it. > You can't deal with it in an E-mail, though. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 8/7/12, Patrick Molloy wrote: >> Hey NABS: >> I'm really not sure where to go with this one. I have word 2010. When >> I get files as e-mail attachments and try to open them, they open in >> protected view. This means I can't work with them in any way. Is >> there a way to turn off protected view, so that it doesn't happen >> every time I get an e-mail with an attachment I want to read? >> Thanks, >> Patrick >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40stu >> dents.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail. > com > -- Julie McG Lindbergh High School class of 2009, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri recording secretary, Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, and proud graduate of Guiding Eyes for the Blind "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life." John 3:16 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 20:25:48 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 16:25:48 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] files in protected view In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005701cd74da$d72b63d0$85822b70$@gmail.com> Hi Joshua, Your procedure will work assuming that the person doing it is checking their email using the Gmail Web interface. If you are opening the attachment using Microsoft Outlook or a similar email client, the attached file will open in protected view once Microsoft Word is launched. Hope this helps, Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 11:30 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] files in protected view Yes. All you have to do, is instead of hitting view as HTML, just open the document, and it will save to Microsoft Word. Then, just open the document up in Word, and you can work with it. You can't deal with it in an E-mail, though. Blessings, Joshua On 8/7/12, Patrick Molloy wrote: > Hey NABS: > I'm really not sure where to go with this one. I have word 2010. When > I get files as e-mail attachments and try to open them, they open in > protected view. This means I can't work with them in any way. Is there > a way to turn off protected view, so that it doesn't happen every time > I get an e-mail with an attachment I want to read? > Thanks, > Patrick > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40stud > ents.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Aug 7 21:08:39 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 16:08:39 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting In-Reply-To: <1A698C134F9A4EA99DE8CB418FF6C8BC@OwnerPC> References: <46F7896E7B4D4E5499A195CEC5CBACBE@Gloria> <032b01cd742e$95f1ecb0$c1d5c610$@gmail.com> <943949334A0D45B082C2B14DD2703CA1@Gloria> <003001cd7431$f593b510$e0bb1f30$@gmail.com> <31513C28028148D1AAE62DC957F1BBC8@Gloria> <0CD15F79C99B43468A11D866055E71A3@Gloria> <0D19AAEBB7C843DA9161953E67872631@acerd37f251f21> <9904B75A033049CA85A9FBD3380033D6@Gloria> <000c01cd743a$9a46aa60$ced3ff20$@gmail.com> <93E41118-0A40-4D53-9E17-C74277FDAC4F@gmail.com> <1A698C134F9A4EA99DE8CB418FF6C8BC@OwnerPC> Message-ID: I talked to HumanWare about the Braille Note Apex. They said, since Rehab wouldn't buy anything over $6000, that if you bought a Braille Note Apex, with an 18 cell display, for $4000, you could then upgrade to a 32 cell, for $1600. That's Rehab's job. They should help you, if you're either in school, or working. Blessings, Joshua On 8/7/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Joshua, > Most people need more than jaws on the job; a braille display and a > notetaker are often needed. > When you look for work, you will find how expensive technology is and that > your employer is hesitant to hire you and buy it when they can hire sighted > > people with no accomodation purchases. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 9:43 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting > > Hi, Hope. > What assistive technology would you need, that would be expensive? > Who needs Jaws, when there's NVDA, which is free? > Just a suggestion. > Thanks, Joshua > > On 8/7/12, Hope Paulos wrote: >> Hi there. I received my degree in secondary education with concentration >> in >> Spanish and another in modern languages focusing in Spanish and German. >> I've >> decided though, that I do not want to teach. I would rather be a >> vocational >> rehabilitation counselor. I know that if I work at my state agency, I can >> receive funding assistance with the grant provided by our essay. I'm >> hoping >> to go that route and obtain my masters degree. Unfortunately, public >> schools >> are also places of discrimination. It is very unlikely that they would >> hire >> totally blind individual to teach a high school Spanish class without >> concerns. They would need to hire an Ed Tech and also there are some >> specific assistive to technology that I would need that is very >> expensive. >> For example, Braille display, et cetera. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Aug 6, 2012, at 10:19 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" >> >> wrote: >> >>> Hope, >>> Are you working? If not, what is your area of study? I thought you were >>> studying to be a Spanish teacher or something. >>> I saw you on the nobe list, so I know you want to teach. >>> Its too bad they did what they did to you. Discrimination is live and >>> well >>> around here. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Hope Paulos >>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 9:18 PM >>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>> >>> I couldn't agree more. Well said!!! There was an instance where I had >>> applied for an interpreter work-at-home position and I had the skills >>> and >>> passed the language part of the interview with flying colors. As soon as >>> I >>> mentioned I was blind I was told that I couldn't use a computer to take >>> notes, but sighted people could use pencils. I was told I wouldn't be a >>> good >>> fit because I had to take breaks to take my dog outside. It was blatent >>> discrimination. Needless to say I filed a complaint with department of >>> justice and they got called out. I don't think they'll be doing >>> anything >>> like that again. Just keep advocating!! >>> Hope >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Gloria G >>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 9:05 PM >>> To: Misty Dawn Bradley; National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>> >>> Hi, >>> What I find interesting is the organizations that provide services to >>> persons with disabilities and tell the clients they can do whatever they >>> put >>> their minds to as long as they work hard and advicate for themselves, >>> turn >>> away a blind person because they feel we are unable to complete tasks. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Misty Dawn Bradley" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:49 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>> >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> I also ran into the same issue when applying for a full-time position >>>> with AmeriCorps. The people conducting the interview kept emphasizing >>>> the paperwork, and I tried to explain that there are ways that I could >>>> do the paperwork, but I still did not get the position. It surprised >>>> me, because I worked in that same office and turned in all reports and >>>> paperwork on time, although I had a different supervisor and it was a >>>> different program. I think part of it was that I did not have >>>> experience in the area of the position, but I also think part of it >>>> was the paperwork, because that point was emphasized indirectly during >>>> the >>> interview. >>>> Thanks, >>>> Misty >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Gloria G" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:41 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> I am not offended or anything by the questions that are asked. I am >>>>> just upset that I am not given a chance. It is almost as if the >>>>> employer has decided what I can and can not do the minute I walk in >>>>> the door with my cane. >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "David Dodge" >>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>> >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:36 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Gloria, >>>>>> It definitely sounds like you are going about things the right way. >>>>>> >>>>>> I would try not to get discouraged or be concerned by the questions >>>>>> the interviewer is asking. It is definitely not a bad thing for a >>>>>> blind person to help a sighted person better understand how the >>>>>> employment would work. >>>>>> Think of it as an opportunity for you to advocate and teach the >>>>>> potential employer something. >>>>>> >>>>>> The best that can be done is what you are doing - honestly answering >>>>>> questions and explaining things. >>>>>> >>>>>> David >>>>>> ---------------------------------- >>>>>> David Dodge >>>>>> Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson English Major >>>>>> University at Buffalo >>>>>> 306 Clemens Hall >>>>>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>>>>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Gloria G >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Hope, >>>>>>> Did you go to get your masters in rehab counseling? I have also >>>>>>> thought of getting a masters in rehab counseling. >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" < >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:16 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No. I'm currently hunting for a job as well. I just answered them >>>>>>> as you >>>>>>>> do, >>>>>>>> explaining how I would do certain things and giving examples. I >>>>>>>> applied for a vocational rehabilitation counselor I. position and >>>>>>>> I would be working with individuals with disabilities as well as >>>>>>>> mental health diagnoses. >>>>>>>> Nothing offends me so they can ask any question they want >>>>>>>> regarding my blindness. It's just a matter of overcoming the >>>>>>>> stereotypes put on us by people who don't know what we really can >>>>>>>> do. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org] >>>>>>>> On Behalf >>>>>>>> Of Gloria G >>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:13 PM >>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Hope, >>>>>>>> Do you currently work? If so how did you get around those >>>>>>>> questions? >>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 6:52 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Gloria. I think you're taking the right approach. I always >>>>>>>> disclose my >>>>>>>>> blindness (it's hard for them not to see that I'm blind because >>>>>>>>> of my guide dog). I'd just continue to advocate for yourself as >>>>>>>>> far as working with at risk youth. >>>>>>>>> Hope >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org] >>>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>>> Behalf >>>>>>>>> Of Gloria G >>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:24 PM >>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>>> I was wondering how do you handle interviews when the talk of >>>>>>>>> blindness comes up? I have had some interviews and in some cases >>>>>>>>> the interviewer does not bring up my blindness, but I know it is >>>>>>>>> something that is very noticable as soon as I walk in the door. I >>>>>>>>> try to remain calm and answer the questions that pertain to the >>>>>>>>> position I am applying for and I discuss how I would handle these >>>>>>>>> tasks despite my blindness. There are those interviewers who just >>>>>>>>> come right out and ask how I am going to complete the task >>>>>>>>> required of me as a blind person. I answer and give examples of >>>>>>>>> how I would complete the tasks. I guess I should have started out >>>>>>>>> by saying I am a psychology and sociology double major and want >>>>>>>>> to work with at risk youth as a counselor. >>>>>>>>> Because I do not yet have my degree I am trying to gain as much >>>>>>>>> experience as possible because this is what future employers will >>>>>>>>> be looking for, but the problem I run into is there are many >>>>>>>>> organizations that work with at risk youth in the town I live in, >>>>>>>>> but there is always the question of how I am going to work with >>>>>>>>> the youth as a blind person. I have also thought of doing any >>>>>>>>> work that envolved providing services to youth, women, families >>>>>>>>> such as, homeless shelters and things of that nature. I am just >>>>>>>>> feeling defeated at this point, because every door I have opened >>>>>>>>> has closed shut in my face, and it only seems to be due to me >>>>>>>>> being blind. I just want someone to give me a chance because I >>>>>>>>> know I can do the work. >>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org>>>>>>>> net.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>>>>> hope.paulos%40gmail.com>>>>>>> fbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org>>>>>>>> net.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 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http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From clb5590 at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 21:11:22 2012 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cynthia Bennett) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 14:11:22 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] coupon shopping and looking for sales In-Reply-To: <1211126400.0.1344365692407.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> References: <1211126400.0.1344365692407.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Message-ID: I have found that a reader can be helpful for coupon cutting. It is hard though. Often you don't really save money unless you have a store and a manufacturer's coupon. I know people who consider couponing a fulltime job. There are websites dedicated to coupon finding, but I have found that a lot of times you will have to like something on Facebook, receive emails, etc. and that annoys me more than the happiness I receive from saving a few cents. I have found that a lot of the convenience stores like CVS and Rite Aid have great sales, but if you don't get something on sale, then it is way more expensive. So I try to stock up on personal items like toothpaste or laundry detergent when they are on sale at the convenience stores. One way to do this is to just ask a shopping assistant when you drop in. A lot of times, these super sales are located on the fronts of aisles. You can also look online for the weekly papers that are in each store. If you are a dedicated customer to a super local place, and if their online presence just isn't that strong, then you can ask management if they can send you a spreadsheet of sales. This sounds crazy, but my boyfriend and I actually tried it for a local store downtown, and they were completely accommidating. This store is usually more expensive, but it is more walkable, and again, when things are on sale, they are cheaper than many chain stores. So, whenever we ask for the sales, they send us an Excel sheet. Sometimes we have to ask them again, but chances are that the information is documented somewhere and all they have to do is send it which doesn't take much time. I know that asking shopping assistants can be tedious and often annoying, but I am picky. When I ask for what is on sale, then I expect them to tell me. I get to know stores and their patterns and their typical prices for things that I buy frequently. And, when you get to know these things, you can better determine if the shopping assistant is really informing you correctly, or even if the items you determinedly coupon for really are that much discounted when you do find coupons. I like to shop at stores that have rewards cards, because then I can get all of the store sales without coupons. But for those local store's ads in the local paper, I think that a reader is the best way. You can have your slate ready and you can write shorthand as the reader clips coupons. You can write a list of things you frequently buy to give to the reader beforehand, so they don't waste time reading coupons for items you don't buy. Or, they can read them all and you can try some new things discounted. I might be a cynic, but I feel like dedicating a couple of hours a week to coupon clipping was an average amount of time, and it really only saved me a few dollars per shopping trip. But if you are determined, you can save a lot of money. They even have TV shows dedicated to couponning. One specific store that comes to mind is Bed, Bath, and Beyond. Before I shopped there a lot, I assumed that it would always be more expensive than a store such as Target, but they mail out 20% off coupons every month. You can even take a receipt for an item you previously bought with a 20% off coupon, and they will refund 20% of the item's value to you. They also accept expired coupons. So, what I am saying is that sometimes stores are more expensive on the outside, but if you can get on their email alert or coupon mailing list, then you can make a rule for yourself that you will only buy things when you have a coupon, and you actually save money. Also, sometimes if you just ask, you can learn information. I bet that tons of people never use their Bed, Bath, and Beyond coupons because they are expired, but it just took me simply asking once, and I learned something new. I know we all think of the obnoxious customer rudely demanding that a casheer take an expired coupon, but if you ask nicely, they usually give a nice answer. You can also take your reader to the recycling bin in your apartment building. My friend does this, and when she gets a Bed, Bath, and Beyond coupon, she usually finds at least 3 more in the recycling bin that people just didn't want. Cindy On 8/7/12, zerone1683 at gmail.com wrote: > What are the newspapers in your area? > visit the websites of the newspapers in your area and you will be able to > access all their ads. > > C.C. Alan > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com > -- Cynthia Bennett B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com 828.989.5383 From brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 21:18:24 2012 From: brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com (Brandon Keith Biggs) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 14:18:24 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] coupon shopping and looking for sales In-Reply-To: References: <1211126400.0.1344365692407.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Message-ID: <08ADE99BF826432E957A0EE6E24EFABC@BrandonsLaptop2> Wow! This is a great idea! I wonder if Trader Joes has a coupon list. I do find it sad that the companies spend all this money on advertisement and most people throw the advertisements away, but we have a whole thread dedicated to trying to get the advertisements! Thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs -----Original Message----- From: Cynthia Bennett Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 2:11 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] coupon shopping and looking for sales I have found that a reader can be helpful for coupon cutting. It is hard though. Often you don't really save money unless you have a store and a manufacturer's coupon. I know people who consider couponing a fulltime job. There are websites dedicated to coupon finding, but I have found that a lot of times you will have to like something on Facebook, receive emails, etc. and that annoys me more than the happiness I receive from saving a few cents. I have found that a lot of the convenience stores like CVS and Rite Aid have great sales, but if you don't get something on sale, then it is way more expensive. So I try to stock up on personal items like toothpaste or laundry detergent when they are on sale at the convenience stores. One way to do this is to just ask a shopping assistant when you drop in. A lot of times, these super sales are located on the fronts of aisles. You can also look online for the weekly papers that are in each store. If you are a dedicated customer to a super local place, and if their online presence just isn't that strong, then you can ask management if they can send you a spreadsheet of sales. This sounds crazy, but my boyfriend and I actually tried it for a local store downtown, and they were completely accommidating. This store is usually more expensive, but it is more walkable, and again, when things are on sale, they are cheaper than many chain stores. So, whenever we ask for the sales, they send us an Excel sheet. Sometimes we have to ask them again, but chances are that the information is documented somewhere and all they have to do is send it which doesn't take much time. I know that asking shopping assistants can be tedious and often annoying, but I am picky. When I ask for what is on sale, then I expect them to tell me. I get to know stores and their patterns and their typical prices for things that I buy frequently. And, when you get to know these things, you can better determine if the shopping assistant is really informing you correctly, or even if the items you determinedly coupon for really are that much discounted when you do find coupons. I like to shop at stores that have rewards cards, because then I can get all of the store sales without coupons. But for those local store's ads in the local paper, I think that a reader is the best way. You can have your slate ready and you can write shorthand as the reader clips coupons. You can write a list of things you frequently buy to give to the reader beforehand, so they don't waste time reading coupons for items you don't buy. Or, they can read them all and you can try some new things discounted. I might be a cynic, but I feel like dedicating a couple of hours a week to coupon clipping was an average amount of time, and it really only saved me a few dollars per shopping trip. But if you are determined, you can save a lot of money. They even have TV shows dedicated to couponning. One specific store that comes to mind is Bed, Bath, and Beyond. Before I shopped there a lot, I assumed that it would always be more expensive than a store such as Target, but they mail out 20% off coupons every month. You can even take a receipt for an item you previously bought with a 20% off coupon, and they will refund 20% of the item's value to you. They also accept expired coupons. So, what I am saying is that sometimes stores are more expensive on the outside, but if you can get on their email alert or coupon mailing list, then you can make a rule for yourself that you will only buy things when you have a coupon, and you actually save money. Also, sometimes if you just ask, you can learn information. I bet that tons of people never use their Bed, Bath, and Beyond coupons because they are expired, but it just took me simply asking once, and I learned something new. I know we all think of the obnoxious customer rudely demanding that a casheer take an expired coupon, but if you ask nicely, they usually give a nice answer. You can also take your reader to the recycling bin in your apartment building. My friend does this, and when she gets a Bed, Bath, and Beyond coupon, she usually finds at least 3 more in the recycling bin that people just didn't want. Cindy On 8/7/12, zerone1683 at gmail.com wrote: > What are the newspapers in your area? > visit the websites of the newspapers in your area and you will be able to > access all their ads. > > C.C. Alan > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com > -- Cynthia Bennett B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com 828.989.5383 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com From clb5590 at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 22:13:40 2012 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cynthia Bennett) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 15:13:40 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] coupon shopping and looking for sales In-Reply-To: <08ADE99BF826432E957A0EE6E24EFABC@BrandonsLaptop2> References: <1211126400.0.1344365692407.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> <08ADE99BF826432E957A0EE6E24EFABC@BrandonsLaptop2> Message-ID: Does Trader Joe's have coupons? To my knowledge, I have never seen them. I also haven't seen things on sale although everything is very reasonably priced. Cindy On 8/7/12, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: > Wow! This is a great idea! > I wonder if Trader Joes has a coupon list. > I do find it sad that the companies spend all this money on advertisement > and most people throw the advertisements away, but we have a whole thread > dedicated to trying to get the advertisements! > Thanks, > > Brandon Keith Biggs > -----Original Message----- > From: Cynthia Bennett > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 2:11 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] coupon shopping and looking for sales > > I have found that a reader can be helpful for coupon cutting. It is > hard though. Often you don't really save money unless you have a store > and a manufacturer's coupon. I know people who consider couponing a > fulltime job. There are websites dedicated to coupon finding, but I > have found that a lot of times you will have to like something on > Facebook, receive emails, etc. and that annoys me more than the > happiness I receive from saving a few cents. I have found that a lot > of the convenience stores like CVS and Rite Aid have great sales, but > if you don't get something on sale, then it is way more expensive. So > I try to stock up on personal items like toothpaste or laundry > detergent when they are on sale at the convenience stores. One way to > do this is to just ask a shopping assistant when you drop in. A lot of > times, these super sales are located on the fronts of aisles. You can > also look online for the weekly papers that are in each store. If you > are a dedicated customer to a super local place, and if their online > presence just isn't that strong, then you can ask management if they > can send you a spreadsheet of sales. This sounds crazy, but my > boyfriend and I actually tried it for a local store downtown, and they > were completely accommidating. This store is usually more expensive, > but it is more walkable, and again, when things are on sale, they are > cheaper than many chain stores. So, whenever we ask for the sales, > they send us an Excel sheet. Sometimes we have to ask them again, but > chances are that the information is documented somewhere and all they > have to do is send it which doesn't take much time. I know that asking > shopping assistants can be tedious and often annoying, but I am picky. > When I ask for what is on sale, then I expect them to tell me. I get > to know stores and their patterns and their typical prices for things > that I buy frequently. And, when you get to know these things, you can > better determine if the shopping assistant is really informing you > correctly, or even if the items you determinedly coupon for really are > that much discounted when you do find coupons. I like to shop at > stores that have rewards cards, because then I can get all of the > store sales without coupons. But for those local store's ads in the > local paper, I think that a reader is the best way. You can have your > slate ready and you can write shorthand as the reader clips coupons. > You can write a list of things you frequently buy to give to the > reader beforehand, so they don't waste time reading coupons for items > you don't buy. Or, they can read them all and you can try some new > things discounted. I might be a cynic, but I feel like dedicating a > couple of hours a week to coupon clipping was an average amount of > time, and it really only saved me a few dollars per shopping trip. But > if you are determined, you can save a lot of money. They even have TV > shows dedicated to couponning. > > One specific store that comes to mind is Bed, Bath, and Beyond. Before > I shopped there a lot, I assumed that it would always be more > expensive than a store such as Target, but they mail out 20% off > coupons every month. You can even take a receipt for an item you > previously bought with a 20% off coupon, and they will refund 20% of > the item's value to you. They also accept expired coupons. So, what I > am saying is that sometimes stores are more expensive on the outside, > but if you can get on their email alert or coupon mailing list, then > you can make a rule for yourself that you will only buy things when > you have a coupon, and you actually save money. Also, sometimes if you > just ask, you can learn information. I bet that tons of people never > use their Bed, Bath, and Beyond coupons because they are expired, but > it just took me simply asking once, and I learned something new. I > know we all think of the obnoxious customer rudely demanding that a > casheer take an expired coupon, but if you ask nicely, they usually > give a nice answer. > > You can also take your reader to the recycling bin in your apartment > building. My friend does this, and when she gets a Bed, Bath, and > Beyond coupon, she usually finds at least 3 more in the recycling bin > that people just didn't want. > > Cindy > > On 8/7/12, zerone1683 at gmail.com wrote: >> What are the newspapers in your area? >> visit the websites of the newspapers in your area and you will be able to >> access all their ads. >> >> C.C. Alan >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Cynthia Bennett > B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington > > clb5590 at gmail.com > 828.989.5383 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com > -- Cynthia Bennett B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com 828.989.5383 From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 22:25:04 2012 From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 18:25:04 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting In-Reply-To: References: <46F7896E7B4D4E5499A195CEC5CBACBE@Gloria> <032b01cd742e$95f1ecb0$c1d5c610$@gmail.com> <943949334A0D45B082C2B14DD2703CA1@Gloria> <003001cd7431$f593b510$e0bb1f30$@gmail.com> <31513C28028148D1AAE62DC957F1BBC8@Gloria> <0CD15F79C99B43468A11D866055E71A3@Gloria> <0D19AAEBB7C843DA9161953E67872631@acerd37f251f21> <9904B75A033049CA85A9FBD3380033D6@Gloria> <000c01cd743a$9a46aa60$ced3ff20$@gmail.com> <93E41118-0A40-4D53-9E17-C74277FDAC4F@gmail.com> <1A698C134F9A4EA99DE8CB418FF6C8BC@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <5A29FB4E-E28C-444A-86F8-DFCD79463836@gmail.com> Strange. My vr got my apex bt32 for me with no complaints. Aleeha Dudley President, Ohio Association of Blind Students Changing what it means to be blind On Aug 7, 2012, at 5:08 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > I talked to HumanWare about the Braille Note Apex. > They said, since Rehab wouldn't buy anything over $6000, that if you > bought a Braille Note Apex, with an 18 cell display, for $4000, you > could then upgrade to a 32 cell, for $1600. > That's Rehab's job. > They should help you, if you're either in school, or working. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 8/7/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Joshua, >> Most people need more than jaws on the job; a braille display and a >> notetaker are often needed. >> When you look for work, you will find how expensive technology is and that >> your employer is hesitant to hire you and buy it when they can hire sighted >> >> people with no accomodation purchases. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joshua Lester >> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 9:43 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >> >> Hi, Hope. >> What assistive technology would you need, that would be expensive? >> Who needs Jaws, when there's NVDA, which is free? >> Just a suggestion. >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> On 8/7/12, Hope Paulos wrote: >>> Hi there. I received my degree in secondary education with concentration >>> in >>> Spanish and another in modern languages focusing in Spanish and German. >>> I've >>> decided though, that I do not want to teach. I would rather be a >>> vocational >>> rehabilitation counselor. I know that if I work at my state agency, I can >>> receive funding assistance with the grant provided by our essay. I'm >>> hoping >>> to go that route and obtain my masters degree. Unfortunately, public >>> schools >>> are also places of discrimination. It is very unlikely that they would >>> hire >>> totally blind individual to teach a high school Spanish class without >>> concerns. They would need to hire an Ed Tech and also there are some >>> specific assistive to technology that I would need that is very >>> expensive. >>> For example, Braille display, et cetera. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Aug 6, 2012, at 10:19 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hope, >>>> Are you working? If not, what is your area of study? I thought you were >>>> studying to be a Spanish teacher or something. >>>> I saw you on the nobe list, so I know you want to teach. >>>> Its too bad they did what they did to you. Discrimination is live and >>>> well >>>> around here. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- From: Hope Paulos >>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 9:18 PM >>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>> >>>> I couldn't agree more. Well said!!! There was an instance where I had >>>> applied for an interpreter work-at-home position and I had the skills >>>> and >>>> passed the language part of the interview with flying colors. As soon as >>>> I >>>> mentioned I was blind I was told that I couldn't use a computer to take >>>> notes, but sighted people could use pencils. I was told I wouldn't be a >>>> good >>>> fit because I had to take breaks to take my dog outside. It was blatent >>>> discrimination. Needless to say I filed a complaint with department of >>>> justice and they got called out. I don't think they'll be doing >>>> anything >>>> like that again. Just keep advocating!! >>>> Hope >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>> Behalf >>>> Of Gloria G >>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 9:05 PM >>>> To: Misty Dawn Bradley; National Association of Blind Students mailing >>>> list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> What I find interesting is the organizations that provide services to >>>> persons with disabilities and tell the clients they can do whatever they >>>> put >>>> their minds to as long as they work hard and advicate for themselves, >>>> turn >>>> away a blind person because they feel we are unable to complete tasks. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Misty Dawn Bradley" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:49 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> I also ran into the same issue when applying for a full-time position >>>>> with AmeriCorps. The people conducting the interview kept emphasizing >>>>> the paperwork, and I tried to explain that there are ways that I could >>>>> do the paperwork, but I still did not get the position. It surprised >>>>> me, because I worked in that same office and turned in all reports and >>>>> paperwork on time, although I had a different supervisor and it was a >>>>> different program. I think part of it was that I did not have >>>>> experience in the area of the position, but I also think part of it >>>>> was the paperwork, because that point was emphasized indirectly during >>>>> the >>>> interview. >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Misty >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Gloria G" >>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>> >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:41 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> I am not offended or anything by the questions that are asked. I am >>>>>> just upset that I am not given a chance. It is almost as if the >>>>>> employer has decided what I can and can not do the minute I walk in >>>>>> the door with my cane. >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "David Dodge" >>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:36 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Gloria, >>>>>>> It definitely sounds like you are going about things the right way. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would try not to get discouraged or be concerned by the questions >>>>>>> the interviewer is asking. It is definitely not a bad thing for a >>>>>>> blind person to help a sighted person better understand how the >>>>>>> employment would work. >>>>>>> Think of it as an opportunity for you to advocate and teach the >>>>>>> potential employer something. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The best that can be done is what you are doing - honestly answering >>>>>>> questions and explaining things. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> David >>>>>>> ---------------------------------- >>>>>>> David Dodge >>>>>>> Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson English Major >>>>>>> University at Buffalo >>>>>>> 306 Clemens Hall >>>>>>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>>>>>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Gloria G >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Hope, >>>>>>>> Did you go to get your masters in rehab counseling? I have also >>>>>>>> thought of getting a masters in rehab counseling. >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" < >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:16 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No. I'm currently hunting for a job as well. I just answered them >>>>>>>> as you >>>>>>>>> do, >>>>>>>>> explaining how I would do certain things and giving examples. I >>>>>>>>> applied for a vocational rehabilitation counselor I. position and >>>>>>>>> I would be working with individuals with disabilities as well as >>>>>>>>> mental health diagnoses. >>>>>>>>> Nothing offends me so they can ask any question they want >>>>>>>>> regarding my blindness. It's just a matter of overcoming the >>>>>>>>> stereotypes put on us by people who don't know what we really can >>>>>>>>> do. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org] >>>>>>>>> On Behalf >>>>>>>>> Of Gloria G >>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:13 PM >>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Hope, >>>>>>>>> Do you currently work? If so how did you get around those >>>>>>>>> questions? >>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 6:52 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Gloria. I think you're taking the right approach. I always >>>>>>>>> disclose my >>>>>>>>>> blindness (it's hard for them not to see that I'm blind because >>>>>>>>>> of my guide dog). I'd just continue to advocate for yourself as >>>>>>>>>> far as working with at risk youth. >>>>>>>>>> Hope >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org] >>>>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>>>> Behalf >>>>>>>>>> Of Gloria G >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:24 PM >>>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>>>> I was wondering how do you handle interviews when the talk of >>>>>>>>>> blindness comes up? I have had some interviews and in some cases >>>>>>>>>> the interviewer does not bring up my blindness, but I know it is >>>>>>>>>> something that is very noticable as soon as I walk in the door. I >>>>>>>>>> try to remain calm and answer the questions that pertain to the >>>>>>>>>> position I am applying for and I discuss how I would handle these >>>>>>>>>> tasks despite my blindness. There are those interviewers who just >>>>>>>>>> come right out and ask how I am going to complete the task >>>>>>>>>> required of me as a blind person. I answer and give examples of >>>>>>>>>> how I would complete the tasks. I guess I should have started out >>>>>>>>>> by saying I am a psychology and sociology double major and want >>>>>>>>>> to work with at risk youth as a counselor. >>>>>>>>>> Because I do not yet have my degree I am trying to gain as much >>>>>>>>>> experience as possible because this is what future employers will >>>>>>>>>> be looking for, but the problem I run into is there are many >>>>>>>>>> organizations that work with at risk youth in the town I live in, >>>>>>>>>> but there is always the question of how I am going to work with >>>>>>>>>> the youth as a blind person. I have also thought of doing any >>>>>>>>>> work that envolved providing services to youth, women, families >>>>>>>>>> such as, homeless shelters and things of that nature. I am just >>>>>>>>>> feeling defeated at this point, because every door I have opened >>>>>>>>>> has closed shut in my face, and it only seems to be due to me >>>>>>>>>> being blind. I just want someone to give me a chance because I >>>>>>>>>> know I can do the work. >>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org>>>>>>>>> net.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>>>>>> hope.paulos%40gmail.com>>>>>>>> fbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org>>>>>>>>> net.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l: 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Message-ID: I think it depends on the job; I have had a few different summer jobs and internships where a Braille notetaker was not required, just access to a PC. Braille displays are important devices and they definitely assist with certain types of work, but there are plenty of jobs we can do with merely a computer with speech output. Also, when I was in high school I worked two different summer internships using JAWS in demo mode, which meant neither my employer nor I had to pay a dime. I'm not sure if this is an option anymore or if JAWS only allows demo mode for a few days, but if it is an option to run JAWS in demo mode for a month or two, it may be a viable option. I would just add that in this economy it is tough for everyone, not just blind folks, to find work. I know at least a few sighted people who have spent months or even years looking for work, so if you're not hired, it may not be due to blindness. Gloria, if you'd be willing to share some of the specific issues your potential employers raised about how you would do the work, I might have some suggestions for ways to get around any barriers although it sounds like you are going about things the right way. What kinds of activities are you hoping to do with the at-risk youth and what specific things are the employers worried about? Arielle On 8/7/12, Aleeha Dudley wrote: > Strange. My vr got my apex bt32 for me with no complaints. > > Aleeha Dudley > President, Ohio Association of Blind Students > Changing what it means to be blind > > On Aug 7, 2012, at 5:08 PM, Joshua Lester > wrote: > >> I talked to HumanWare about the Braille Note Apex. >> They said, since Rehab wouldn't buy anything over $6000, that if you >> bought a Braille Note Apex, with an 18 cell display, for $4000, you >> could then upgrade to a 32 cell, for $1600. >> That's Rehab's job. >> They should help you, if you're either in school, or working. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 8/7/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> Joshua, >>> Most people need more than jaws on the job; a braille display and a >>> notetaker are often needed. >>> When you look for work, you will find how expensive technology is and >>> that >>> your employer is hesitant to hire you and buy it when they can hire >>> sighted >>> >>> people with no accomodation purchases. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Joshua Lester >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 9:43 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>> >>> Hi, Hope. >>> What assistive technology would you need, that would be expensive? >>> Who needs Jaws, when there's NVDA, which is free? >>> Just a suggestion. >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> On 8/7/12, Hope Paulos wrote: >>>> Hi there. I received my degree in secondary education with >>>> concentration >>>> in >>>> Spanish and another in modern languages focusing in Spanish and German. >>>> I've >>>> decided though, that I do not want to teach. I would rather be a >>>> vocational >>>> rehabilitation counselor. I know that if I work at my state agency, I >>>> can >>>> receive funding assistance with the grant provided by our essay. I'm >>>> hoping >>>> to go that route and obtain my masters degree. Unfortunately, public >>>> schools >>>> are also places of discrimination. It is very unlikely that they would >>>> hire >>>> totally blind individual to teach a high school Spanish class without >>>> concerns. They would need to hire an Ed Tech and also there are some >>>> specific assistive to technology that I would need that is very >>>> expensive. >>>> For example, Braille display, et cetera. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Aug 6, 2012, at 10:19 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hope, >>>>> Are you working? If not, what is your area of study? I thought you >>>>> were >>>>> studying to be a Spanish teacher or something. >>>>> I saw you on the nobe list, so I know you want to teach. >>>>> Its too bad they did what they did to you. Discrimination is live and >>>>> well >>>>> around here. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Hope Paulos >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 9:18 PM >>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>> >>>>> I couldn't agree more. Well said!!! There was an instance where I had >>>>> applied for an interpreter work-at-home position and I had the skills >>>>> and >>>>> passed the language part of the interview with flying colors. As soon >>>>> as >>>>> I >>>>> mentioned I was blind I was told that I couldn't use a computer to >>>>> take >>>>> notes, but sighted people could use pencils. I was told I wouldn't be >>>>> a >>>>> good >>>>> fit because I had to take breaks to take my dog outside. It was >>>>> blatent >>>>> discrimination. Needless to say I filed a complaint with department of >>>>> justice and they got called out. I don't think they'll be doing >>>>> anything >>>>> like that again. Just keep advocating!! >>>>> Hope >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>> Behalf >>>>> Of Gloria G >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 9:05 PM >>>>> To: Misty Dawn Bradley; National Association of Blind Students mailing >>>>> list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> What I find interesting is the organizations that provide services to >>>>> persons with disabilities and tell the clients they can do whatever >>>>> they >>>>> put >>>>> their minds to as long as they work hard and advicate for themselves, >>>>> turn >>>>> away a blind person because they feel we are unable to complete tasks. >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Misty Dawn Bradley" >>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>> >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:49 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> I also ran into the same issue when applying for a full-time position >>>>>> with AmeriCorps. The people conducting the interview kept emphasizing >>>>>> the paperwork, and I tried to explain that there are ways that I >>>>>> could >>>>>> do the paperwork, but I still did not get the position. It surprised >>>>>> me, because I worked in that same office and turned in all reports >>>>>> and >>>>>> paperwork on time, although I had a different supervisor and it was a >>>>>> different program. I think part of it was that I did not have >>>>>> experience in the area of the position, but I also think part of it >>>>>> was the paperwork, because that point was emphasized indirectly >>>>>> during >>>>>> the >>>>> interview. >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Misty >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Gloria G" >>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:41 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> I am not offended or anything by the questions that are asked. I am >>>>>>> just upset that I am not given a chance. It is almost as if the >>>>>>> employer has decided what I can and can not do the minute I walk in >>>>>>> the door with my cane. >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "David Dodge" >>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:36 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Gloria, >>>>>>>> It definitely sounds like you are going about things the right way. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would try not to get discouraged or be concerned by the questions >>>>>>>> the interviewer is asking. It is definitely not a bad thing for a >>>>>>>> blind person to help a sighted person better understand how the >>>>>>>> employment would work. >>>>>>>> Think of it as an opportunity for you to advocate and teach the >>>>>>>> potential employer something. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The best that can be done is what you are doing - honestly >>>>>>>> answering >>>>>>>> questions and explaining things. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> David >>>>>>>> ---------------------------------- >>>>>>>> David Dodge >>>>>>>> Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson English >>>>>>>> Major >>>>>>>> University at Buffalo >>>>>>>> 306 Clemens Hall >>>>>>>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>>>>>>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Gloria G >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Hope, >>>>>>>>> Did you go to get your masters in rehab counseling? I have also >>>>>>>>> thought of getting a masters in rehab counseling. >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" < >>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:16 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> No. I'm currently hunting for a job as well. I just answered them >>>>>>>>> as you >>>>>>>>>> do, >>>>>>>>>> explaining how I would do certain things and giving examples. I >>>>>>>>>> applied for a vocational rehabilitation counselor I. position and >>>>>>>>>> I would be working with individuals with disabilities as well as >>>>>>>>>> mental health diagnoses. >>>>>>>>>> Nothing offends me so they can ask any question they want >>>>>>>>>> regarding my blindness. It's just a matter of overcoming the >>>>>>>>>> stereotypes put on us by people who don't know what we really can >>>>>>>>>> do. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org] >>>>>>>>>> On Behalf >>>>>>>>>> Of Gloria G >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:13 PM >>>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Hope, >>>>>>>>>> Do you currently work? If so how did you get around those >>>>>>>>>> questions? >>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 6:52 PM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Gloria. I think you're taking the right approach. I always >>>>>>>>>> disclose my >>>>>>>>>>> blindness (it's hard for them not to see that I'm blind because >>>>>>>>>>> of my guide dog). I'd just continue to advocate for yourself as >>>>>>>>>>> far as working with at risk youth. >>>>>>>>>>> Hope >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org] >>>>>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>>>>> Behalf >>>>>>>>>>> Of Gloria G >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:24 PM >>>>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>>>>> I was wondering how do you handle interviews when the talk of >>>>>>>>>>> blindness comes up? I have had some interviews and in some cases >>>>>>>>>>> the interviewer does not bring up my blindness, but I know it is >>>>>>>>>>> something that is very noticable as soon as I walk in the door. >>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>> try to remain calm and answer the questions that pertain to the >>>>>>>>>>> position I am applying for and I discuss how I would handle >>>>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>> tasks despite my blindness. There are those interviewers who >>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>> come right out and ask how I am going to complete the task >>>>>>>>>>> required of me as a blind person. I answer and give examples of >>>>>>>>>>> how I would complete the tasks. I guess I should have started >>>>>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>>>> by saying I am a psychology and sociology double major and want >>>>>>>>>>> to work with at risk youth as a counselor. >>>>>>>>>>> Because I do not yet have my degree I am trying to gain as much >>>>>>>>>>> experience as possible because this is what future employers >>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>> be looking for, but the problem I run into is there are many >>>>>>>>>>> organizations that work with at risk youth in the town I live >>>>>>>>>>> in, >>>>>>>>>>> but there is always the question of how I am going to work with >>>>>>>>>>> the youth as a blind person. I have also thought of doing any >>>>>>>>>>> work that envolved providing services to youth, women, families >>>>>>>>>>> such as, homeless shelters and things of that nature. I am just >>>>>>>>>>> feeling defeated at this point, because every door I have opened >>>>>>>>>>> has closed shut in my face, and it only seems to be due to me >>>>>>>>>>> being blind. I just want someone to give me a chance because I >>>>>>>>>>> know I can do the work. >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org>>>>>>>>>> net.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>>>>>>>> info >>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>>>>>>> hope.paulos%40gmail.com>>>>>>>>> fbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org>>>>>>>>>> net.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account 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for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From arielle71 at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 22:53:44 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 16:53:44 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] coupon shopping and looking for sales In-Reply-To: References: <1211126400.0.1344365692407.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> <08ADE99BF826432E957A0EE6E24EFABC@BrandonsLaptop2> Message-ID: I will often ask a shopping assistant to tell me what is on sale in a particular aisle, i.e. "What vegetables are on sale?" at the grocery store. I also find that buying personal items and electronics from Amazon.com is often cheaper and easier than buying them in person, especially if the store isn't accessible by public transportation and/or the item is too big for me to carry home without the help of a taxi. Arielle On 8/7/12, Cynthia Bennett wrote: > Does Trader Joe's have coupons? To my knowledge, I have never seen > them. I also haven't seen things on sale although everything is very > reasonably priced. > > Cindy > > On 8/7/12, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: >> Wow! This is a great idea! >> I wonder if Trader Joes has a coupon list. >> I do find it sad that the companies spend all this money on advertisement >> and most people throw the advertisements away, but we have a whole thread >> dedicated to trying to get the advertisements! >> Thanks, >> >> Brandon Keith Biggs >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Cynthia Bennett >> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 2:11 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] coupon shopping and looking for sales >> >> I have found that a reader can be helpful for coupon cutting. It is >> hard though. Often you don't really save money unless you have a store >> and a manufacturer's coupon. I know people who consider couponing a >> fulltime job. There are websites dedicated to coupon finding, but I >> have found that a lot of times you will have to like something on >> Facebook, receive emails, etc. and that annoys me more than the >> happiness I receive from saving a few cents. I have found that a lot >> of the convenience stores like CVS and Rite Aid have great sales, but >> if you don't get something on sale, then it is way more expensive. So >> I try to stock up on personal items like toothpaste or laundry >> detergent when they are on sale at the convenience stores. One way to >> do this is to just ask a shopping assistant when you drop in. A lot of >> times, these super sales are located on the fronts of aisles. You can >> also look online for the weekly papers that are in each store. If you >> are a dedicated customer to a super local place, and if their online >> presence just isn't that strong, then you can ask management if they >> can send you a spreadsheet of sales. This sounds crazy, but my >> boyfriend and I actually tried it for a local store downtown, and they >> were completely accommidating. This store is usually more expensive, >> but it is more walkable, and again, when things are on sale, they are >> cheaper than many chain stores. So, whenever we ask for the sales, >> they send us an Excel sheet. Sometimes we have to ask them again, but >> chances are that the information is documented somewhere and all they >> have to do is send it which doesn't take much time. I know that asking >> shopping assistants can be tedious and often annoying, but I am picky. >> When I ask for what is on sale, then I expect them to tell me. I get >> to know stores and their patterns and their typical prices for things >> that I buy frequently. And, when you get to know these things, you can >> better determine if the shopping assistant is really informing you >> correctly, or even if the items you determinedly coupon for really are >> that much discounted when you do find coupons. I like to shop at >> stores that have rewards cards, because then I can get all of the >> store sales without coupons. But for those local store's ads in the >> local paper, I think that a reader is the best way. You can have your >> slate ready and you can write shorthand as the reader clips coupons. >> You can write a list of things you frequently buy to give to the >> reader beforehand, so they don't waste time reading coupons for items >> you don't buy. Or, they can read them all and you can try some new >> things discounted. I might be a cynic, but I feel like dedicating a >> couple of hours a week to coupon clipping was an average amount of >> time, and it really only saved me a few dollars per shopping trip. But >> if you are determined, you can save a lot of money. They even have TV >> shows dedicated to couponning. >> >> One specific store that comes to mind is Bed, Bath, and Beyond. Before >> I shopped there a lot, I assumed that it would always be more >> expensive than a store such as Target, but they mail out 20% off >> coupons every month. You can even take a receipt for an item you >> previously bought with a 20% off coupon, and they will refund 20% of >> the item's value to you. They also accept expired coupons. So, what I >> am saying is that sometimes stores are more expensive on the outside, >> but if you can get on their email alert or coupon mailing list, then >> you can make a rule for yourself that you will only buy things when >> you have a coupon, and you actually save money. Also, sometimes if you >> just ask, you can learn information. I bet that tons of people never >> use their Bed, Bath, and Beyond coupons because they are expired, but >> it just took me simply asking once, and I learned something new. I >> know we all think of the obnoxious customer rudely demanding that a >> casheer take an expired coupon, but if you ask nicely, they usually >> give a nice answer. >> >> You can also take your reader to the recycling bin in your apartment >> building. My friend does this, and when she gets a Bed, Bath, and >> Beyond coupon, she usually finds at least 3 more in the recycling bin >> that people just didn't want. >> >> Cindy >> >> On 8/7/12, zerone1683 at gmail.com wrote: >>> What are the newspapers in your area? >>> visit the websites of the newspapers in your area and you will be able >>> to >>> access all their ads. >>> >>> C.C. Alan >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Cynthia Bennett >> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >> >> clb5590 at gmail.com >> 828.989.5383 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Cynthia Bennett > B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington > > clb5590 at gmail.com > 828.989.5383 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From mistydbradley at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 23:02:15 2012 From: mistydbradley at gmail.com (Misty Dawn Bradley) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 19:02:15 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting References: <46F7896E7B4D4E5499A195CEC5CBACBE@Gloria><032b01cd742e$95f1ecb0$c1d5c610$@gmail.com><943949334A0D45B082C2B14DD2703CA1@Gloria><003001cd7431$f593b510$e0bb1f30$@gmail.com><31513C28028148D1AAE62DC957F1BBC8@Gloria><0CD15F79C99B43468A11D866055E71A3@Gloria><0D19AAEBB7C843DA9161953E67872631@acerd37f251f21><9904B75A033049CA85A9FBD3380033D6@Gloria><000c01cd743a$9a46aa60$ced3ff20$@gmail.com><93E41118-0A40-4D53-9E17-C74277FDAC4F@gmail.com><1A698C134F9A4EA99DE8CB418FF6C8BC@OwnerPC><5A29FB4E-E28C-444A-86F8-DFCD79463836@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, I think that JAWS in demo mode can be used, although you would have to restart the computer every 40 minutes. There is also NVDA now, however, that would be a free option and can also be used on a flash drive so that it will not have to be directly installed on the computers in the workplace. I agree with Arielle that a lot of jobs don't require having a Braille display. When I served with AmeriCorps working with immigrants to help them learn English and Health Literacy, the only thing I used was my netbook with Windows XP and JAWS 10 on it, so I did everything with just speech. I also have done some grammatical proofreading using just speech without a Braille display. Thanks, Misty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >I think it depends on the job; I have had a few different summer jobs > and internships where a Braille notetaker was not required, just > access to a PC. Braille displays are important devices and they > definitely assist with certain types of work, but there are plenty of > jobs we can do with merely a computer with speech output. > Also, when I was in high school I worked two different summer > internships using JAWS in demo mode, which meant neither my employer > nor I had to pay a dime. I'm not sure if this is an option anymore or > if JAWS only allows demo mode for a few days, but if it is an option > to run JAWS in demo mode for a month or two, it may be a viable > option. > I would just add that in this economy it is tough for everyone, not > just blind folks, to find work. I know at least a few sighted people > who have spent months or even years looking for work, so if you're not > hired, it may not be due to blindness. Gloria, if you'd be willing to > share some of the specific issues your potential employers raised > about how you would do the work, I might have some suggestions for > ways to get around any barriers although it sounds like you are going > about things the right way. What kinds of activities are you hoping to > do with the at-risk youth and what specific things are the employers > worried about? > Arielle > > On 8/7/12, Aleeha Dudley wrote: >> Strange. My vr got my apex bt32 for me with no complaints. >> >> Aleeha Dudley >> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students >> Changing what it means to be blind >> >> On Aug 7, 2012, at 5:08 PM, Joshua Lester >> >> wrote: >> >>> I talked to HumanWare about the Braille Note Apex. >>> They said, since Rehab wouldn't buy anything over $6000, that if you >>> bought a Braille Note Apex, with an 18 cell display, for $4000, you >>> could then upgrade to a 32 cell, for $1600. >>> That's Rehab's job. >>> They should help you, if you're either in school, or working. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 8/7/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>> Joshua, >>>> Most people need more than jaws on the job; a braille display and a >>>> notetaker are often needed. >>>> When you look for work, you will find how expensive technology is and >>>> that >>>> your employer is hesitant to hire you and buy it when they can hire >>>> sighted >>>> >>>> people with no accomodation purchases. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 9:43 AM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>> >>>> Hi, Hope. >>>> What assistive technology would you need, that would be expensive? >>>> Who needs Jaws, when there's NVDA, which is free? >>>> Just a suggestion. >>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>> >>>> On 8/7/12, Hope Paulos wrote: >>>>> Hi there. I received my degree in secondary education with >>>>> concentration >>>>> in >>>>> Spanish and another in modern languages focusing in Spanish and >>>>> German. >>>>> I've >>>>> decided though, that I do not want to teach. I would rather be a >>>>> vocational >>>>> rehabilitation counselor. I know that if I work at my state agency, I >>>>> can >>>>> receive funding assistance with the grant provided by our essay. I'm >>>>> hoping >>>>> to go that route and obtain my masters degree. Unfortunately, public >>>>> schools >>>>> are also places of discrimination. It is very unlikely that they would >>>>> hire >>>>> totally blind individual to teach a high school Spanish class without >>>>> concerns. They would need to hire an Ed Tech and also there are some >>>>> specific assistive to technology that I would need that is very >>>>> expensive. >>>>> For example, Braille display, et cetera. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 6, 2012, at 10:19 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hope, >>>>>> Are you working? If not, what is your area of study? I thought you >>>>>> were >>>>>> studying to be a Spanish teacher or something. >>>>>> I saw you on the nobe list, so I know you want to teach. >>>>>> Its too bad they did what they did to you. Discrimination is live and >>>>>> well >>>>>> around here. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Hope Paulos >>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 9:18 PM >>>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>> >>>>>> I couldn't agree more. Well said!!! There was an instance where I had >>>>>> applied for an interpreter work-at-home position and I had the skills >>>>>> and >>>>>> passed the language part of the interview with flying colors. As soon >>>>>> as >>>>>> I >>>>>> mentioned I was blind I was told that I couldn't use a computer to >>>>>> take >>>>>> notes, but sighted people could use pencils. I was told I wouldn't be >>>>>> a >>>>>> good >>>>>> fit because I had to take breaks to take my dog outside. It was >>>>>> blatent >>>>>> discrimination. Needless to say I filed a complaint with department >>>>>> of >>>>>> justice and they got called out. I don't think they'll be doing >>>>>> anything >>>>>> like that again. Just keep advocating!! >>>>>> Hope >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>>> Behalf >>>>>> Of Gloria G >>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 9:05 PM >>>>>> To: Misty Dawn Bradley; National Association of Blind Students >>>>>> mailing >>>>>> list >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> What I find interesting is the organizations that provide services to >>>>>> persons with disabilities and tell the clients they can do whatever >>>>>> they >>>>>> put >>>>>> their minds to as long as they work hard and advicate for themselves, >>>>>> turn >>>>>> away a blind person because they feel we are unable to complete >>>>>> tasks. >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Misty Dawn Bradley" >>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:49 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> I also ran into the same issue when applying for a full-time >>>>>>> position >>>>>>> with AmeriCorps. The people conducting the interview kept >>>>>>> emphasizing >>>>>>> the paperwork, and I tried to explain that there are ways that I >>>>>>> could >>>>>>> do the paperwork, but I still did not get the position. It surprised >>>>>>> me, because I worked in that same office and turned in all reports >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> paperwork on time, although I had a different supervisor and it was >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> different program. I think part of it was that I did not have >>>>>>> experience in the area of the position, but I also think part of it >>>>>>> was the paperwork, because that point was emphasized indirectly >>>>>>> during >>>>>>> the >>>>>> interview. >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Misty >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Gloria G" >>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:41 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> I am not offended or anything by the questions that are asked. I am >>>>>>>> just upset that I am not given a chance. It is almost as if the >>>>>>>> employer has decided what I can and can not do the minute I walk in >>>>>>>> the door with my cane. >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: "David Dodge" >>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:36 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Gloria, >>>>>>>>> It definitely sounds like you are going about things the right >>>>>>>>> way. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I would try not to get discouraged or be concerned by the >>>>>>>>> questions >>>>>>>>> the interviewer is asking. It is definitely not a bad thing for a >>>>>>>>> blind person to help a sighted person better understand how the >>>>>>>>> employment would work. >>>>>>>>> Think of it as an opportunity for you to advocate and teach the >>>>>>>>> potential employer something. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The best that can be done is what you are doing - honestly >>>>>>>>> answering >>>>>>>>> questions and explaining things. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> David >>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------- >>>>>>>>> David Dodge >>>>>>>>> Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson English >>>>>>>>> Major >>>>>>>>> University at Buffalo >>>>>>>>> 306 Clemens Hall >>>>>>>>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>>>>>>>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Gloria G >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Hope, >>>>>>>>>> Did you go to get your masters in rehab counseling? I have also >>>>>>>>>> thought of getting a masters in rehab counseling. >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" < >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:16 PM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> No. I'm currently hunting for a job as well. I just answered them >>>>>>>>>> as you >>>>>>>>>>> do, >>>>>>>>>>> explaining how I would do certain things and giving examples. I >>>>>>>>>>> applied for a vocational rehabilitation counselor I. position >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> I would be working with individuals with disabilities as well as >>>>>>>>>>> mental health diagnoses. >>>>>>>>>>> Nothing offends me so they can ask any question they want >>>>>>>>>>> regarding my blindness. It's just a matter of overcoming the >>>>>>>>>>> stereotypes put on us by people who don't know what we really >>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>> do. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org] >>>>>>>>>>> On Behalf >>>>>>>>>>> Of Gloria G >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:13 PM >>>>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Hope, >>>>>>>>>>> Do you currently work? If so how did you get around those >>>>>>>>>>> questions? >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 6:52 PM >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Gloria. I think you're taking the right approach. I always >>>>>>>>>>> disclose my >>>>>>>>>>>> blindness (it's hard for them not to see that I'm blind >>>>>>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>>>>>> of my guide dog). I'd just continue to advocate for yourself as >>>>>>>>>>>> far as working with at risk youth. >>>>>>>>>>>> Hope >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org] >>>>>>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf >>>>>>>>>>>> Of Gloria G >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:24 PM >>>>>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>>>>>> I was wondering how do you handle interviews when the talk of >>>>>>>>>>>> blindness comes up? I have had some interviews and in some >>>>>>>>>>>> cases >>>>>>>>>>>> the interviewer does not bring up my blindness, but I know it >>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>> something that is very noticable as soon as I walk in the door. >>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>> try to remain calm and answer the questions that pertain to the >>>>>>>>>>>> position I am applying for and I discuss how I would handle >>>>>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>>> tasks despite my blindness. There are those interviewers who >>>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>>> come right out and ask how I am going to complete the task >>>>>>>>>>>> required of me as a blind person. I answer and give examples of >>>>>>>>>>>> how I would complete the tasks. I guess I should have started >>>>>>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>>>>> by saying I am a psychology and sociology double major and want >>>>>>>>>>>> to work with at risk youth as a counselor. >>>>>>>>>>>> Because I do not yet have my degree I am trying to gain as much >>>>>>>>>>>> experience as possible because this is what future employers >>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>> be looking for, but the problem I run into is there are many >>>>>>>>>>>> organizations that work with at risk youth in the town I live >>>>>>>>>>>> in, >>>>>>>>>>>> but there is always the question of how I am going to work with >>>>>>>>>>>> the youth as a blind person. I have also thought of doing any >>>>>>>>>>>> work that envolved providing services to youth, women, families >>>>>>>>>>>> such as, homeless shelters and things of that nature. I am just >>>>>>>>>>>> feeling defeated at this point, because every door I have >>>>>>>>>>>> opened >>>>>>>>>>>> has closed shut in my face, and it only seems to be due to me >>>>>>>>>>>> being blind. 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nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue Aug 7 23:04:52 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 19:04:52 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting In-Reply-To: References: <46F7896E7B4D4E5499A195CEC5CBACBE@Gloria><032b01cd742e$95f1ecb0$c1d5c610$@gmail.com><943949334A0D45B082C2B14DD2703CA1@Gloria><003001cd7431$f593b510$e0bb1f30$@gmail.com><31513C28028148D1AAE62DC957F1BBC8@Gloria><0CD15F79C99B43468A11D866055E71A3@Gloria><0D19AAEBB7C843DA9161953E67872631@acerd37f251f21><9904B75A033049CA85A9FBD3380033D6@Gloria><000c01cd743a$9a46aa60$ced3ff20$@gmail.com><93E41118-0A40-4D53-9E17-C74277FDAC4F@gmail.com><1A698C134F9A4EA99DE8CB418FF6C8BC@OwnerPC><5A29FB4E-E28C-444A-86F8-DFCD79463836@gmail.com> Message-ID: <25BDF914932A465C9409353B534784FA@OwnerPC> Hi, I want to use the demo mode for a volunteer position. However, will I be able to restart the computer independently? If I restart before jaws runs out of demo mode, will it come on in demo mode and run automatically? I would need to log in and tab to okay to get into the system. I would rather have jaws speak this to me, but I suppose I could memorize it if needed and click on jaws on the desktop when the pc is booted. I thought about getting a jaws key from FS but unless my time expands there, I may not want to use limited authorization keys on their pc. Yep, good question, can you run demo mode for an extended time on one pc? Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Arielle Silverman Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 6:45 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting I think it depends on the job; I have had a few different summer jobs and internships where a Braille notetaker was not required, just access to a PC. Braille displays are important devices and they definitely assist with certain types of work, but there are plenty of jobs we can do with merely a computer with speech output. Also, when I was in high school I worked two different summer internships using JAWS in demo mode, which meant neither my employer nor I had to pay a dime. I'm not sure if this is an option anymore or if JAWS only allows demo mode for a few days, but if it is an option to run JAWS in demo mode for a month or two, it may be a viable option. I would just add that in this economy it is tough for everyone, not just blind folks, to find work. I know at least a few sighted people who have spent months or even years looking for work, so if you're not hired, it may not be due to blindness. Gloria, if you'd be willing to share some of the specific issues your potential employers raised about how you would do the work, I might have some suggestions for ways to get around any barriers although it sounds like you are going about things the right way. What kinds of activities are you hoping to do with the at-risk youth and what specific things are the employers worried about? Arielle On 8/7/12, Aleeha Dudley wrote: > Strange. My vr got my apex bt32 for me with no complaints. > > Aleeha Dudley > President, Ohio Association of Blind Students > Changing what it means to be blind > > On Aug 7, 2012, at 5:08 PM, Joshua Lester > wrote: > >> I talked to HumanWare about the Braille Note Apex. >> They said, since Rehab wouldn't buy anything over $6000, that if you >> bought a Braille Note Apex, with an 18 cell display, for $4000, you >> could then upgrade to a 32 cell, for $1600. >> That's Rehab's job. >> They should help you, if you're either in school, or working. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 8/7/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> Joshua, >>> Most people need more than jaws on the job; a braille display and a >>> notetaker are often needed. >>> When you look for work, you will find how expensive technology is and >>> that >>> your employer is hesitant to hire you and buy it when they can hire >>> sighted >>> >>> people with no accomodation purchases. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Joshua Lester >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 9:43 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>> >>> Hi, Hope. >>> What assistive technology would you need, that would be expensive? >>> Who needs Jaws, when there's NVDA, which is free? >>> Just a suggestion. >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> On 8/7/12, Hope Paulos wrote: >>>> Hi there. I received my degree in secondary education with >>>> concentration >>>> in >>>> Spanish and another in modern languages focusing in Spanish and German. >>>> I've >>>> decided though, that I do not want to teach. I would rather be a >>>> vocational >>>> rehabilitation counselor. I know that if I work at my state agency, I >>>> can >>>> receive funding assistance with the grant provided by our essay. I'm >>>> hoping >>>> to go that route and obtain my masters degree. Unfortunately, public >>>> schools >>>> are also places of discrimination. It is very unlikely that they would >>>> hire >>>> totally blind individual to teach a high school Spanish class without >>>> concerns. They would need to hire an Ed Tech and also there are some >>>> specific assistive to technology that I would need that is very >>>> expensive. >>>> For example, Braille display, et cetera. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Aug 6, 2012, at 10:19 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hope, >>>>> Are you working? If not, what is your area of study? I thought you >>>>> were >>>>> studying to be a Spanish teacher or something. >>>>> I saw you on the nobe list, so I know you want to teach. >>>>> Its too bad they did what they did to you. Discrimination is live and >>>>> well >>>>> around here. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Hope Paulos >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 9:18 PM >>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>> >>>>> I couldn't agree more. Well said!!! There was an instance where I had >>>>> applied for an interpreter work-at-home position and I had the skills >>>>> and >>>>> passed the language part of the interview with flying colors. As soon >>>>> as >>>>> I >>>>> mentioned I was blind I was told that I couldn't use a computer to >>>>> take >>>>> notes, but sighted people could use pencils. I was told I wouldn't be >>>>> a >>>>> good >>>>> fit because I had to take breaks to take my dog outside. It was >>>>> blatent >>>>> discrimination. Needless to say I filed a complaint with department of >>>>> justice and they got called out. I don't think they'll be doing >>>>> anything >>>>> like that again. Just keep advocating!! >>>>> Hope >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>> Behalf >>>>> Of Gloria G >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 9:05 PM >>>>> To: Misty Dawn Bradley; National Association of Blind Students mailing >>>>> list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> What I find interesting is the organizations that provide services to >>>>> persons with disabilities and tell the clients they can do whatever >>>>> they >>>>> put >>>>> their minds to as long as they work hard and advicate for themselves, >>>>> turn >>>>> away a blind person because they feel we are unable to complete tasks. >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Misty Dawn Bradley" >>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>> >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:49 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> I also ran into the same issue when applying for a full-time position >>>>>> with AmeriCorps. The people conducting the interview kept emphasizing >>>>>> the paperwork, and I tried to explain that there are ways that I >>>>>> could >>>>>> do the paperwork, but I still did not get the position. It surprised >>>>>> me, because I worked in that same office and turned in all reports >>>>>> and >>>>>> paperwork on time, although I had a different supervisor and it was a >>>>>> different program. I think part of it was that I did not have >>>>>> experience in the area of the position, but I also think part of it >>>>>> was the paperwork, because that point was emphasized indirectly >>>>>> during >>>>>> the >>>>> interview. >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Misty >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Gloria G" >>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:41 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> I am not offended or anything by the questions that are asked. I am >>>>>>> just upset that I am not given a chance. It is almost as if the >>>>>>> employer has decided what I can and can not do the minute I walk in >>>>>>> the door with my cane. >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "David Dodge" >>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:36 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Gloria, >>>>>>>> It definitely sounds like you are going about things the right way. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would try not to get discouraged or be concerned by the questions >>>>>>>> the interviewer is asking. It is definitely not a bad thing for a >>>>>>>> blind person to help a sighted person better understand how the >>>>>>>> employment would work. >>>>>>>> Think of it as an opportunity for you to advocate and teach the >>>>>>>> potential employer something. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The best that can be done is what you are doing - honestly >>>>>>>> answering >>>>>>>> questions and explaining things. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> David >>>>>>>> ---------------------------------- >>>>>>>> David Dodge >>>>>>>> Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson English >>>>>>>> Major >>>>>>>> University at Buffalo >>>>>>>> 306 Clemens Hall >>>>>>>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>>>>>>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Gloria G >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Hope, >>>>>>>>> Did you go to get your masters in rehab counseling? I have also >>>>>>>>> thought of getting a masters in rehab counseling. >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" < >>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:16 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> No. I'm currently hunting for a job as well. I just answered them >>>>>>>>> as you >>>>>>>>>> do, >>>>>>>>>> explaining how I would do certain things and giving examples. I >>>>>>>>>> applied for a vocational rehabilitation counselor I. position and >>>>>>>>>> I would be working with individuals with disabilities as well as >>>>>>>>>> mental health diagnoses. >>>>>>>>>> Nothing offends me so they can ask any question they want >>>>>>>>>> regarding my blindness. It's just a matter of overcoming the >>>>>>>>>> stereotypes put on us by people who don't know what we really can >>>>>>>>>> do. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org] >>>>>>>>>> On Behalf >>>>>>>>>> Of Gloria G >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:13 PM >>>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Hope, >>>>>>>>>> Do you currently work? If so how did you get around those >>>>>>>>>> questions? >>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 6:52 PM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Gloria. I think you're taking the right approach. I always >>>>>>>>>> disclose my >>>>>>>>>>> blindness (it's hard for them not to see that I'm blind because >>>>>>>>>>> of my guide dog). I'd just continue to advocate for yourself as >>>>>>>>>>> far as working with at risk youth. >>>>>>>>>>> Hope >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org] >>>>>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>>>>> Behalf >>>>>>>>>>> Of Gloria G >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:24 PM >>>>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>>>>> I was wondering how do you handle interviews when the talk of >>>>>>>>>>> blindness comes up? I have had some interviews and in some cases >>>>>>>>>>> the interviewer does not bring up my blindness, but I know it is >>>>>>>>>>> something that is very noticable as soon as I walk in the door. >>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>> try to remain calm and answer the questions that pertain to the >>>>>>>>>>> position I am applying for and I discuss how I would handle >>>>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>> tasks despite my blindness. There are those interviewers who >>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>> come right out and ask how I am going to complete the task >>>>>>>>>>> required of me as a blind person. I answer and give examples of >>>>>>>>>>> how I would complete the tasks. I guess I should have started >>>>>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>>>> by saying I am a psychology and sociology double major and want >>>>>>>>>>> to work with at risk youth as a counselor. >>>>>>>>>>> Because I do not yet have my degree I am trying to gain as much >>>>>>>>>>> experience as possible because this is what future employers >>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>> be looking for, but the problem I run into is there are many >>>>>>>>>>> organizations that work with at risk youth in the town I live >>>>>>>>>>> in, >>>>>>>>>>> but there is always the question of how I am going to work with >>>>>>>>>>> the youth as a blind person. I have also thought of doing any >>>>>>>>>>> work that envolved providing services to youth, women, families >>>>>>>>>>> such as, homeless shelters and things of that nature. I am just >>>>>>>>>>> feeling defeated at this point, because every door I have opened >>>>>>>>>>> has closed shut in my face, and it only seems to be due to me >>>>>>>>>>> being blind. I just want someone to give me a chance because I >>>>>>>>>>> know I can do the work. >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org>>>>>>>>>> net.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>>>>>>>> info >>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>>>>>>> hope.paulos%40gmail.com>>>>>>>>> fbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org>>>>>>>>>> net.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account 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for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From dsykora29 at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 23:07:47 2012 From: dsykora29 at gmail.com (Danielle Sykora) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 19:07:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] files in protected view In-Reply-To: <005701cd74da$d72b63d0$85822b70$@gmail.com> References: <005701cd74da$d72b63d0$85822b70$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello everyone, If you open a file in microsoft word and it is in protected view, all you have to do is hit F6 and tab to the enable editing button. Hope this helps, Danielle On 8/7/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi Joshua, > > Your procedure will work assuming that the person doing it is checking > their > email using the Gmail Web interface. If you are opening the attachment > using > Microsoft Outlook or a similar email client, the attached file will open in > protected view once Microsoft Word is launched. > > Hope this helps, > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 11:30 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] files in protected view > > Yes. > All you have to do, is instead of hitting view as HTML, just open the > document, and it will save to Microsoft Word. > Then, just open the document up in Word, and you can work with it. > You can't deal with it in an E-mail, though. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 8/7/12, Patrick Molloy wrote: >> Hey NABS: >> I'm really not sure where to go with this one. I have word 2010. When >> I get files as e-mail attachments and try to open them, they open in >> protected view. This means I can't work with them in any way. Is there >> a way to turn off protected view, so that it doesn't happen every time >> I get an e-mail with an attachment I want to read? >> Thanks, >> Patrick >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40stud >> ents.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40gmail.com > From arielle71 at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 23:25:12 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 17:25:12 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting In-Reply-To: <25BDF914932A465C9409353B534784FA@OwnerPC> References: <46F7896E7B4D4E5499A195CEC5CBACBE@Gloria> <032b01cd742e$95f1ecb0$c1d5c610$@gmail.com> <943949334A0D45B082C2B14DD2703CA1@Gloria> <003001cd7431$f593b510$e0bb1f30$@gmail.com> <31513C28028148D1AAE62DC957F1BBC8@Gloria> <0CD15F79C99B43468A11D866055E71A3@Gloria> <0D19AAEBB7C843DA9161953E67872631@acerd37f251f21> <9904B75A033049CA85A9FBD3380033D6@Gloria> <000c01cd743a$9a46aa60$ced3ff20$@gmail.com> <93E41118-0A40-4D53-9E17-C74277FDAC4F@gmail.com> <1A698C134F9A4EA99DE8CB418FF6C8BC@OwnerPC> <5A29FB4E-E28C-444A-86F8-DFCD79463836@gmail.com> <25BDF914932A465C9409353B534784FA@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Yes, I believe you can configure JAWS to automatically start up when you boot the PC, even if it is in demo mode, and you can shut it down and restart independently as long as the 40-minute demo period hasn't expired. In my experience the need to restart was a nuisance but didn't affect my productivity on the job much. Arielle On 8/7/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi, > I want to use the demo mode for a volunteer position. However, will I be > able to restart the computer independently? If I restart before jaws runs > out of demo mode, will it come on in demo mode and run automatically? I > would need to log in and tab to okay to get into the system. > I would rather have jaws speak this to me, but I suppose I could memorize it > > if needed and click on jaws on the desktop when the pc is booted. > I thought about getting a jaws key from FS but unless my time expands there, > > I may not want to use limited authorization keys on their pc. > > Yep, good question, can you run demo mode for an extended time on one pc? > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Arielle Silverman > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 6:45 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting > > I think it depends on the job; I have had a few different summer jobs > and internships where a Braille notetaker was not required, just > access to a PC. Braille displays are important devices and they > definitely assist with certain types of work, but there are plenty of > jobs we can do with merely a computer with speech output. > Also, when I was in high school I worked two different summer > internships using JAWS in demo mode, which meant neither my employer > nor I had to pay a dime. I'm not sure if this is an option anymore or > if JAWS only allows demo mode for a few days, but if it is an option > to run JAWS in demo mode for a month or two, it may be a viable > option. > I would just add that in this economy it is tough for everyone, not > just blind folks, to find work. I know at least a few sighted people > who have spent months or even years looking for work, so if you're not > hired, it may not be due to blindness. Gloria, if you'd be willing to > share some of the specific issues your potential employers raised > about how you would do the work, I might have some suggestions for > ways to get around any barriers although it sounds like you are going > about things the right way. What kinds of activities are you hoping to > do with the at-risk youth and what specific things are the employers > worried about? > Arielle > > On 8/7/12, Aleeha Dudley wrote: >> Strange. My vr got my apex bt32 for me with no complaints. >> >> Aleeha Dudley >> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students >> Changing what it means to be blind >> >> On Aug 7, 2012, at 5:08 PM, Joshua Lester >> >> wrote: >> >>> I talked to HumanWare about the Braille Note Apex. >>> They said, since Rehab wouldn't buy anything over $6000, that if you >>> bought a Braille Note Apex, with an 18 cell display, for $4000, you >>> could then upgrade to a 32 cell, for $1600. >>> That's Rehab's job. >>> They should help you, if you're either in school, or working. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 8/7/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>> Joshua, >>>> Most people need more than jaws on the job; a braille display and a >>>> notetaker are often needed. >>>> When you look for work, you will find how expensive technology is and >>>> that >>>> your employer is hesitant to hire you and buy it when they can hire >>>> sighted >>>> >>>> people with no accomodation purchases. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 9:43 AM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>> >>>> Hi, Hope. >>>> What assistive technology would you need, that would be expensive? >>>> Who needs Jaws, when there's NVDA, which is free? >>>> Just a suggestion. >>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>> >>>> On 8/7/12, Hope Paulos wrote: >>>>> Hi there. I received my degree in secondary education with >>>>> concentration >>>>> in >>>>> Spanish and another in modern languages focusing in Spanish and >>>>> German. >>>>> I've >>>>> decided though, that I do not want to teach. I would rather be a >>>>> vocational >>>>> rehabilitation counselor. I know that if I work at my state agency, I >>>>> can >>>>> receive funding assistance with the grant provided by our essay. I'm >>>>> hoping >>>>> to go that route and obtain my masters degree. Unfortunately, public >>>>> schools >>>>> are also places of discrimination. It is very unlikely that they would >>>>> hire >>>>> totally blind individual to teach a high school Spanish class without >>>>> concerns. They would need to hire an Ed Tech and also there are some >>>>> specific assistive to technology that I would need that is very >>>>> expensive. >>>>> For example, Braille display, et cetera. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 6, 2012, at 10:19 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hope, >>>>>> Are you working? If not, what is your area of study? I thought you >>>>>> were >>>>>> studying to be a Spanish teacher or something. >>>>>> I saw you on the nobe list, so I know you want to teach. >>>>>> Its too bad they did what they did to you. Discrimination is live and >>>>>> well >>>>>> around here. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Hope Paulos >>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 9:18 PM >>>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>> >>>>>> I couldn't agree more. Well said!!! There was an instance where I had >>>>>> applied for an interpreter work-at-home position and I had the skills >>>>>> and >>>>>> passed the language part of the interview with flying colors. As soon >>>>>> as >>>>>> I >>>>>> mentioned I was blind I was told that I couldn't use a computer to >>>>>> take >>>>>> notes, but sighted people could use pencils. I was told I wouldn't be >>>>>> a >>>>>> good >>>>>> fit because I had to take breaks to take my dog outside. It was >>>>>> blatent >>>>>> discrimination. Needless to say I filed a complaint with department >>>>>> of >>>>>> justice and they got called out. I don't think they'll be doing >>>>>> anything >>>>>> like that again. Just keep advocating!! >>>>>> Hope >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>>> Behalf >>>>>> Of Gloria G >>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 9:05 PM >>>>>> To: Misty Dawn Bradley; National Association of Blind Students >>>>>> mailing >>>>>> list >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> What I find interesting is the organizations that provide services to >>>>>> persons with disabilities and tell the clients they can do whatever >>>>>> they >>>>>> put >>>>>> their minds to as long as they work hard and advicate for themselves, >>>>>> turn >>>>>> away a blind person because they feel we are unable to complete >>>>>> tasks. >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Misty Dawn Bradley" >>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:49 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> I also ran into the same issue when applying for a full-time >>>>>>> position >>>>>>> with AmeriCorps. The people conducting the interview kept >>>>>>> emphasizing >>>>>>> the paperwork, and I tried to explain that there are ways that I >>>>>>> could >>>>>>> do the paperwork, but I still did not get the position. It surprised >>>>>>> me, because I worked in that same office and turned in all reports >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> paperwork on time, although I had a different supervisor and it was >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> different program. I think part of it was that I did not have >>>>>>> experience in the area of the position, but I also think part of it >>>>>>> was the paperwork, because that point was emphasized indirectly >>>>>>> during >>>>>>> the >>>>>> interview. >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Misty >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Gloria G" >>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:41 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> I am not offended or anything by the questions that are asked. I am >>>>>>>> just upset that I am not given a chance. It is almost as if the >>>>>>>> employer has decided what I can and can not do the minute I walk in >>>>>>>> the door with my cane. >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: "David Dodge" >>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:36 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Gloria, >>>>>>>>> It definitely sounds like you are going about things the right >>>>>>>>> way. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I would try not to get discouraged or be concerned by the >>>>>>>>> questions >>>>>>>>> the interviewer is asking. It is definitely not a bad thing for a >>>>>>>>> blind person to help a sighted person better understand how the >>>>>>>>> employment would work. >>>>>>>>> Think of it as an opportunity for you to advocate and teach the >>>>>>>>> potential employer something. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The best that can be done is what you are doing - honestly >>>>>>>>> answering >>>>>>>>> questions and explaining things. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> David >>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------- >>>>>>>>> David Dodge >>>>>>>>> Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson English >>>>>>>>> Major >>>>>>>>> University at Buffalo >>>>>>>>> 306 Clemens Hall >>>>>>>>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>>>>>>>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Gloria G >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Hope, >>>>>>>>>> Did you go to get your masters in rehab counseling? I have also >>>>>>>>>> thought of getting a masters in rehab counseling. >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" < >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:16 PM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> No. I'm currently hunting for a job as well. I just answered them >>>>>>>>>> as you >>>>>>>>>>> do, >>>>>>>>>>> explaining how I would do certain things and giving examples. I >>>>>>>>>>> applied for a vocational rehabilitation counselor I. position >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> I would be working with individuals with disabilities as well as >>>>>>>>>>> mental health diagnoses. >>>>>>>>>>> Nothing offends me so they can ask any question they want >>>>>>>>>>> regarding my blindness. It's just a matter of overcoming the >>>>>>>>>>> stereotypes put on us by people who don't know what we really >>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>> do. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org] >>>>>>>>>>> On Behalf >>>>>>>>>>> Of Gloria G >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:13 PM >>>>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Hope, >>>>>>>>>>> Do you currently work? If so how did you get around those >>>>>>>>>>> questions? >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 6:52 PM >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Gloria. I think you're taking the right approach. I always >>>>>>>>>>> disclose my >>>>>>>>>>>> blindness (it's hard for them not to see that I'm blind >>>>>>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>>>>>> of my guide dog). I'd just continue to advocate for yourself as >>>>>>>>>>>> far as working with at risk youth. >>>>>>>>>>>> Hope >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org] >>>>>>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf >>>>>>>>>>>> Of Gloria G >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:24 PM >>>>>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>>>>>> I was wondering how do you handle interviews when the talk of >>>>>>>>>>>> blindness comes up? I have had some interviews and in some >>>>>>>>>>>> cases >>>>>>>>>>>> the interviewer does not bring up my blindness, but I know it >>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>> something that is very noticable as soon as I walk in the door. >>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>> try to remain calm and answer the questions that pertain to the >>>>>>>>>>>> position I am applying for and I discuss how I would handle >>>>>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>>> tasks despite my blindness. There are those interviewers who >>>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>>> come right out and ask how I am going to complete the task >>>>>>>>>>>> required of me as a blind person. I answer and give examples of >>>>>>>>>>>> how I would complete the tasks. I guess I should have started >>>>>>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>>>>> by saying I am a psychology and sociology double major and want >>>>>>>>>>>> to work with at risk youth as a counselor. >>>>>>>>>>>> Because I do not yet have my degree I am trying to gain as much >>>>>>>>>>>> experience as possible because this is what future employers >>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>> be looking for, but the problem I run into is there are many >>>>>>>>>>>> organizations that work with at risk youth in the town I live >>>>>>>>>>>> in, >>>>>>>>>>>> but there is always the question of how I am going to work with >>>>>>>>>>>> the youth as a blind person. I have also thought of doing any >>>>>>>>>>>> work that envolved providing services to youth, women, families >>>>>>>>>>>> such as, homeless shelters and things of that nature. I am just >>>>>>>>>>>> feeling defeated at this point, because every door I have >>>>>>>>>>>> opened >>>>>>>>>>>> has closed shut in my face, and it only seems to be due to me >>>>>>>>>>>> being blind. I just want someone to give me a chance because I >>>>>>>>>>>> know I can do the work. >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org>>>>>>>>>>> net.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>>>>>>>>> info >>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>>>>>>>> hope.paulos%40gmail.com>>>>>>>>>> fbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org>>>>>>>>>>> net.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options 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nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From arielle71 at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 23:30:17 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 17:30:17 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] files in protected view In-Reply-To: References: <005701cd74da$d72b63d0$85822b70$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi all, If you do use the Gmail web interface, viewing documents as HTML is a great quick way to view an attachment. I find that searching is much easier in HTML than it is in Word and it is also a very efficient and accessible way to view PDF files and PowerPoint presentations. In fact, when I have a PDF article, I will often email it to myself as an attachment and then view it in HTML just to take advantage of the navigational ease. However, note that this does not work with scanned PDF's. If you want to read a scanned PDF quickly, and have Gmail, what I would recommend is to send the PDF to convert at robobraille.org with the word "doc" in the subject line and nothing in the message body. RoboBraille will send the file back to you in Word format and you can then view it in HTML. Best, Arielle On 8/7/12, Danielle Sykora wrote: > Hello everyone, > If you open a file in microsoft word and it is in protected view, all > you have to do is hit F6 and tab to the enable editing button. > Hope this helps, > Danielle > > On 8/7/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> Hi Joshua, >> >> Your procedure will work assuming that the person doing it is checking >> their >> email using the Gmail Web interface. If you are opening the attachment >> using >> Microsoft Outlook or a similar email client, the attached file will open >> in >> protected view once Microsoft Word is launched. >> >> Hope this helps, >> >> Chris >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Joshua Lester >> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 11:30 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] files in protected view >> >> Yes. >> All you have to do, is instead of hitting view as HTML, just open the >> document, and it will save to Microsoft Word. >> Then, just open the document up in Word, and you can work with it. >> You can't deal with it in an E-mail, though. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 8/7/12, Patrick Molloy wrote: >>> Hey NABS: >>> I'm really not sure where to go with this one. I have word 2010. When >>> I get files as e-mail attachments and try to open them, they open in >>> protected view. This means I can't work with them in any way. Is there >>> a way to turn off protected view, so that it doesn't happen every time >>> I get an e-mail with an attachment I want to read? >>> Thanks, >>> Patrick >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40stud >>> ents.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c >> om >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Wed Aug 8 01:09:42 2012 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 20:09:42 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Downloading Books In-Reply-To: References: <1BCF856F5E144801A8A529D5780A80BA@Gloria> Message-ID: <35C12AA2-4274-478E-8708-0AA7B8F5D9FE@gmail.com> Does Learning Ally work with the braillenote? Sent from my iPhone On Aug 7, 2012, at 2:38 PM, Justin Young wrote: > Not a problem > > On 8/7/12, Gloria G wrote: >> thanks >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Justin Young" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 2:25 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Downloading Books >> >> >>> When you go to the Learning Alley site first find the book you need. >>> Once you find it, select the book to your book shelf. Then go to your >>> book shelf. Once in your book shelf find the book you've added, then >>> go to the combo box which has two selections(WMA or DAISY). Once you >>> select which one you want it should download automatically. I'm not >>> sure if you're using a PC cuz this is the way I use it on mine. If it >>> doesn't download to the download manager hit Alt+n which will go to a >>> menu bar of some sort which is kind of like a security feature(this is >>> the best way I can describe it cuz I don't know the technical terms). >>> If you have to do the Alt+n route, use the down arrow key until you >>> get to Download and hit and then it should work. >>> >>> Hope this helps, >>> >>> Justin >>> >>> On 8/7/12, Gloria G wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> Can anyone walk me through how to download books from the learning ali >>>> cite? >>>> Thanks >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareader%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Wed Aug 8 01:18:47 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 21:18:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Downloading Books In-Reply-To: <35C12AA2-4274-478E-8708-0AA7B8F5D9FE@gmail.com> References: <1BCF856F5E144801A8A529D5780A80BA@Gloria> <35C12AA2-4274-478E-8708-0AA7B8F5D9FE@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47008AD10DA8486989B036526795FE92@OwnerPC> Sophie, yes it will if you get a user authorization key for it -----Original Message----- From: Sophie Trist Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 9:09 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Downloading Books Does Learning Ally work with the braillenote? Sent from my iPhone On Aug 7, 2012, at 2:38 PM, Justin Young wrote: > Not a problem > > On 8/7/12, Gloria G wrote: >> thanks >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Justin Young" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 2:25 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Downloading Books >> >> >>> When you go to the Learning Alley site first find the book you need. >>> Once you find it, select the book to your book shelf. Then go to your >>> book shelf. Once in your book shelf find the book you've added, then >>> go to the combo box which has two selections(WMA or DAISY). Once you >>> select which one you want it should download automatically. I'm not >>> sure if you're using a PC cuz this is the way I use it on mine. If it >>> doesn't download to the download manager hit Alt+n which will go to a >>> menu bar of some sort which is kind of like a security feature(this is >>> the best way I can describe it cuz I don't know the technical terms). >>> If you have to do the Alt+n route, use the down arrow key until you >>> get to Download and hit and then it should work. >>> >>> Hope this helps, >>> >>> Justin >>> >>> On 8/7/12, Gloria G wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> Can anyone walk me through how to download books from the learning ali >>>> cite? >>>> Thanks >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareader%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From dandrews at visi.com Wed Aug 8 01:31:44 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 20:31:44 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] coupon shopping and looking for sales In-Reply-To: <1344364731.17258.YahooMailClassic@web162002.mail.bf1.yahoo .com> References: <1344364731.17258.YahooMailClassic@web162002.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Our local radio reading service reads the ads. They are also read on our Dial-In News telephone-accessed newspaper reading service like Newsline. Depending on where you live there might be other options. Dave At 01:38 PM 8/7/2012, you wrote: >Thats all good suggestions, but what I am wondering the local >newspapers I believe it mostly is the Sunday newspaper have sales >for the local stores and I am wondering if there is a way a blind >person can access that information. Sometimes the stores that you do >not shop at have some really good sales and the only way to find out >about them is through the newspaper. >Anmol >I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. >Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, >like a breeze among flowers. >Hellen Keller > > >--- On Tue, 8/7/12, Chun Chao wrote: > > > From: Chun Chao > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] coupon shopping and looking for sales > > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > > Date: Tuesday, August 7, 2012, 1:33 PM > > Try going into the website of stores > > that you often shop at. > > For example, you can go to www.walmart.com and find the > > link > > "printable coupons" as well as look at "local ads" or > > "specials". > > Also, most if not all store websites have a "find a store" > > feature > > that can help you find the store(s) in your area and show > > sales that > > might be taking place in those stores. > > As for larger items like devices or electronics, ordering > > them online > > can save you more than getting them at the store. > > > > C.C. Alan > > > > On 8/7/12, Anmol Bhatia > > wrote: > > > Does anyone looking for coupons and sales when > > shopping? I am wondering how > > > to looking for coupons that are usually published in > > the newspapers as well > > > as the sales. I really need to start using coupons and > > look for sales and > > > try to save some money. Most sighted people are able to > > find coupons and > > > sales in the newspaper, but since this is not available > > on the NFB Newsline, > > > besides target sales, I am just wondering how to go > > about doing this. > > > thanks > > > Anmol From anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com Wed Aug 8 03:08:55 2012 From: anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com (Anmol Bhatia) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 20:08:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] coupon shopping and looking for sales In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1344395335.33508.YahooMailClassic@web162003.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Is there such service in Minnesota? Is there a way to get a copy of the cupon that are published and can be clipped out from the newspapers? Anmol I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers. Hellen Keller --- On Tue, 8/7/12, David Andrews wrote: > From: David Andrews > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] coupon shopping and looking for sales > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date: Tuesday, August 7, 2012, 8:31 PM > Our local radio reading service reads > the ads.  They are also read on our Dial-In News > telephone-accessed newspaper reading service like > Newsline.  Depending on where you live there might be > other options. > > Dave > > At 01:38 PM 8/7/2012, you wrote: > > Thats all good suggestions, but what I am wondering the > local newspapers I believe it mostly is the Sunday newspaper > have sales for the local stores and I am wondering if there > is a way a blind person can access that information. > Sometimes the stores that you do not shop at have some > really good sales and the only way to find out about them is > through the newspaper. > > Anmol > > I seldom think about my limitations, and they never > make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at > times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers. > > Hellen Keller > > > > > > --- On Tue, 8/7/12, Chun Chao > wrote: > > > > > From: Chun Chao > > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] coupon shopping and looking > for sales > > > To: "National Association of Blind Students > mailing list" > > > Date: Tuesday, August 7, 2012, 1:33 PM > > > Try going into the website of stores > > > that you often shop at. > > > For example, you can go to www.walmart.com and > find the > > > link > > > "printable coupons" as well as look at "local ads" > or > > > "specials". > > > Also, most if not all store websites have a "find > a store" > > > feature > > > that can help you find the store(s) in your area > and show > > > sales that > > > might be taking place in those stores. > > > As for larger items like devices or electronics, > ordering > > > them online > > > can save you more than getting them at the store. > > > > > > C.C. Alan > > > > > > On 8/7/12, Anmol Bhatia > > > wrote: > > > > Does anyone looking for coupons and sales > when > > > shopping? I am wondering how > > > > to looking for coupons that are usually > published in > > > the newspapers as well > > > > as the sales. I really need to start using > coupons and > > > look for sales and > > > > try to save some money. Most sighted people > are able to > > > find coupons and > > > > sales in the newspaper, but since this is not > available > > > on the NFB Newsline, > > > > besides target sales, I am just wondering how > to go > > > about doing this. > > > > thanks > > > > Anmol > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbhatia%40yahoo.com > From wmodnl at hotmail.com Wed Aug 8 04:39:22 2012 From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (wmodnl wmodnl) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 00:39:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] coupon shopping and looking for sales In-Reply-To: <1344363220.71968.YahooMailClassic@web162002.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1344363220.71968.YahooMailClassic@web162002.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I do not know how late I am joining this thread. However, store circulars are a good start. Shops such as riteaid, target, walgreens, and stop-and-shop all have search fields for searching the weekly add. CVS used to have a good one until 2009. You may also want to try searching manufacturers websites or calling directly. They can sometimes send you coupon books. There are other online coupon services; albeit, time consuming though since you have to respond and print them out within a period of time after receiving the email. they do that to avoid people from reusing duplicates. Finally, regarding food shopping, you may want to search your area for a food coop. This allows one to have a membership and buy at cheeper rates. Often, you are buying specialized products at rates cheeper than wholesale. Hope this helps. Sent from my iPad On Aug 7, 2012, at 2:17 PM, "Anmol Bhatia" wrote: > Does anyone looking for coupons and sales when shopping? I am wondering how to looking for coupons that are usually published in the newspapers as well as the sales. I really need to start using coupons and look for sales and try to save some money. Most sighted people are able to find coupons and sales in the newspaper, but since this is not available on the NFB Newsline, besides target sales, I am just wondering how to go about doing this. > thanks > Anmol > I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers. > Hellen Keller > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com Wed Aug 8 16:37:04 2012 From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 12:37:04 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] files in protected view In-Reply-To: References: <005701cd74da$d72b63d0$85822b70$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Patrick and all, The Protected View is a feature of MS Word, rather than Outlook, 2010, and there is actually a way to turn it off permanently. Assuming that you have Virtual Ribbons enabled, open MS Word, navigate to the File tab by pressing Alt plus f, then arrow down to select Options. In the Categories combo box, select Trust Center, then tab over to the Trust Center Settings button and press Enter. Select Protected View in the Category combo box, then press Tab. Uncheck the box next to Email Attachments and you should be set to go. Note that if you regularly work with files saved in web sharing services such as Dropbox, you may want to uncheck the box next to Files From The Internet too, as MS Word would otherwise open any web-based documents in Protected View. Feel free to ask for clarifications if you have any problems following these instructions. I was very frustrated with the Protected View when first switching to MS Office 2010 as well and was glad that I found a permanent solution via a Google Search. Hope this helps! Katie On 8/7/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi all, > If you do use the Gmail web interface, viewing documents as HTML is a > great quick way to view an attachment. I find that searching is much > easier in HTML than it is in Word and it is also a very efficient and > accessible way to view PDF files and PowerPoint presentations. In > fact, when I have a PDF article, I will often email it to myself as an > attachment and then view it in HTML just to take advantage of the > navigational ease. However, note that this does not work with scanned > PDF's. If you want to read a scanned PDF quickly, and have Gmail, what > I would recommend is to send the PDF to > convert at robobraille.org > with the word "doc" in the subject line and nothing in the message > body. RoboBraille will send the file back to you in Word format and > you can then view it in HTML. > Best, > Arielle > > On 8/7/12, Danielle Sykora wrote: >> Hello everyone, >> If you open a file in microsoft word and it is in protected view, all >> you have to do is hit F6 and tab to the enable editing button. >> Hope this helps, >> Danielle >> >> On 8/7/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>> Hi Joshua, >>> >>> Your procedure will work assuming that the person doing it is checking >>> their >>> email using the Gmail Web interface. If you are opening the attachment >>> using >>> Microsoft Outlook or a similar email client, the attached file will open >>> in >>> protected view once Microsoft Word is launched. >>> >>> Hope this helps, >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Joshua Lester >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 11:30 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] files in protected view >>> >>> Yes. >>> All you have to do, is instead of hitting view as HTML, just open the >>> document, and it will save to Microsoft Word. >>> Then, just open the document up in Word, and you can work with it. >>> You can't deal with it in an E-mail, though. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 8/7/12, Patrick Molloy wrote: >>>> Hey NABS: >>>> I'm really not sure where to go with this one. I have word 2010. When >>>> I get files as e-mail attachments and try to open them, they open in >>>> protected view. This means I can't work with them in any way. Is there >>>> a way to turn off protected view, so that it doesn't happen every time >>>> I get an e-mail with an attachment I want to read? >>>> Thanks, >>>> Patrick >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40stud >>>> ents.pccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c >>> om >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com > From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Wed Aug 8 17:35:33 2012 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 13:35:33 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] coupon shopping and looking for sales In-Reply-To: References: <1344363220.71968.YahooMailClassic@web162002.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: No one has mentioned iPhone apps, so I would like to mention Savings Star. You link it to your rewards card for stores like Food Lion. Then you select oupons you want to use. When you go shopping, just use that rewards card and the savings goes into your Savings Star account. After saving at least five dollars, you can have a check sent for that amount. There is also a website, but i havent used it. My two cents, Jewelc Sent from my iPhone On Aug 8, 2012, at 12:39 AM, wmodnl wmodnl wrote: > I do not know how late I am joining this thread. However, store circulars are a good start. Shops such as riteaid, target, walgreens, and stop-and-shop all have search fields for searching the weekly add. CVS used to have a good one until 2009. You may also want to try searching manufacturers websites or calling directly. They can sometimes send you coupon books. There are other online coupon services; albeit, time consuming though since you have to respond and print them out within a period of time after receiving the email. they do that to avoid people from reusing duplicates. Finally, regarding food shopping, you may want to search your area for a food coop. This allows one to have a membership and buy at cheeper rates. Often, you are buying specialized products at rates cheeper than wholesale. Hope this helps. > > > Sent from my iPad > > On Aug 7, 2012, at 2:17 PM, "Anmol Bhatia" wrote: > >> Does anyone looking for coupons and sales when shopping? I am wondering how to looking for coupons that are usually published in the newspapers as well as the sales. I really need to start using coupons and look for sales and try to save some money. Most sighted people are able to find coupons and sales in the newspaper, but since this is not available on the NFB Newsline, besides target sales, I am just wondering how to go about doing this. >> thanks >> Anmol >> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers. >> Hellen Keller >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com From gpaikens at gmail.com Wed Aug 8 18:28:19 2012 From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 13:28:19 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting In-Reply-To: References: <46F7896E7B4D4E5499A195CEC5CBACBE@Gloria> <032b01cd742e$95f1ecb0$c1d5c610$@gmail.com> <943949334A0D45B082C2B14DD2703CA1@Gloria> <003001cd7431$f593b510$e0bb1f30$@gmail.com> <31513C28028148D1AAE62DC957F1BBC8@Gloria> <0CD15F79C99B43468A11D866055E71A3@Gloria> <0D19AAEBB7C843DA9161953E67872631@acerd37f251f21> <9904B75A033049CA85A9FBD3380033D6@Gloria> <000c01cd743a$9a46aa60$ced3ff20$@gmail.com> <93E41118-0A40-4D53-9E17-C74277FDAC4F@gmail.com> <1A698C134F9A4EA99DE8CB418FF6C8BC@OwnerPC> <5A29FB4E-E28C-444A-86F8-DFCD79463836@gmail.com> <25BDF914932A465C9409353B534784FA@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Gloria, It does sound like you are handling things well. I would only add a couple of things to the advice already given. First, be sure to emphasize any experience you do have in the area. You talked about explaining how you would do something (future tense) but hearing you explain how you have already done something would be more powerful to a potential employer. Second, if you can find a way to portray your blindness as a strength instead of a disadvantage, liability, etc., it could really turn things around for you in an interview. For example, I have been applying for jobs as a teacher of students who are blind and visually impaired and have been able to use my experiences as a blind student as a selling point in my interviews. I realize that not every position lends itself as easily to this kind of thing, but if you can draw from unique personal experiences you have had related to being blind that have shaped your approach to your field of study, it could be a powerful tool for changing perceptions. I hope this helps and I wish you the best of luck. Try not to be discouraged. Your blindness does not impact your ability to work with youth. -Greg On Aug 7, 2012, at 6:25 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Yes, I believe you can configure JAWS to automatically start up when > you boot the PC, even if it is in demo mode, and you can shut it down > and restart independently as long as the 40-minute demo period hasn't > expired. In my experience the need to restart was a nuisance but > didn't affect my productivity on the job much. > Arielle > > On 8/7/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Hi, >> I want to use the demo mode for a volunteer position. However, will I be >> able to restart the computer independently? If I restart before jaws runs >> out of demo mode, will it come on in demo mode and run automatically? I >> would need to log in and tab to okay to get into the system. >> I would rather have jaws speak this to me, but I suppose I could memorize it >> >> if needed and click on jaws on the desktop when the pc is booted. >> I thought about getting a jaws key from FS but unless my time expands there, >> >> I may not want to use limited authorization keys on their pc. >> >> Yep, good question, can you run demo mode for an extended time on one pc? >> >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Arielle Silverman >> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 6:45 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >> >> I think it depends on the job; I have had a few different summer jobs >> and internships where a Braille notetaker was not required, just >> access to a PC. Braille displays are important devices and they >> definitely assist with certain types of work, but there are plenty of >> jobs we can do with merely a computer with speech output. >> Also, when I was in high school I worked two different summer >> internships using JAWS in demo mode, which meant neither my employer >> nor I had to pay a dime. I'm not sure if this is an option anymore or >> if JAWS only allows demo mode for a few days, but if it is an option >> to run JAWS in demo mode for a month or two, it may be a viable >> option. >> I would just add that in this economy it is tough for everyone, not >> just blind folks, to find work. I know at least a few sighted people >> who have spent months or even years looking for work, so if you're not >> hired, it may not be due to blindness. Gloria, if you'd be willing to >> share some of the specific issues your potential employers raised >> about how you would do the work, I might have some suggestions for >> ways to get around any barriers although it sounds like you are going >> about things the right way. What kinds of activities are you hoping to >> do with the at-risk youth and what specific things are the employers >> worried about? >> Arielle >> >> On 8/7/12, Aleeha Dudley wrote: >>> Strange. My vr got my apex bt32 for me with no complaints. >>> >>> Aleeha Dudley >>> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students >>> Changing what it means to be blind >>> >>> On Aug 7, 2012, at 5:08 PM, Joshua Lester >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I talked to HumanWare about the Braille Note Apex. >>>> They said, since Rehab wouldn't buy anything over $6000, that if you >>>> bought a Braille Note Apex, with an 18 cell display, for $4000, you >>>> could then upgrade to a 32 cell, for $1600. >>>> That's Rehab's job. >>>> They should help you, if you're either in school, or working. >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>> >>>> On 8/7/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>>> Joshua, >>>>> Most people need more than jaws on the job; a braille display and a >>>>> notetaker are often needed. >>>>> When you look for work, you will find how expensive technology is and >>>>> that >>>>> your employer is hesitant to hire you and buy it when they can hire >>>>> sighted >>>>> >>>>> people with no accomodation purchases. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 9:43 AM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>> >>>>> Hi, Hope. >>>>> What assistive technology would you need, that would be expensive? >>>>> Who needs Jaws, when there's NVDA, which is free? >>>>> Just a suggestion. >>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>> >>>>> On 8/7/12, Hope Paulos wrote: >>>>>> Hi there. I received my degree in secondary education with >>>>>> concentration >>>>>> in >>>>>> Spanish and another in modern languages focusing in Spanish and >>>>>> German. >>>>>> I've >>>>>> decided though, that I do not want to teach. I would rather be a >>>>>> vocational >>>>>> rehabilitation counselor. I know that if I work at my state agency, I >>>>>> can >>>>>> receive funding assistance with the grant provided by our essay. I'm >>>>>> hoping >>>>>> to go that route and obtain my masters degree. Unfortunately, public >>>>>> schools >>>>>> are also places of discrimination. It is very unlikely that they would >>>>>> hire >>>>>> totally blind individual to teach a high school Spanish class without >>>>>> concerns. They would need to hire an Ed Tech and also there are some >>>>>> specific assistive to technology that I would need that is very >>>>>> expensive. >>>>>> For example, Braille display, et cetera. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 6, 2012, at 10:19 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" >>>>>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hope, >>>>>>> Are you working? If not, what is your area of study? I thought you >>>>>>> were >>>>>>> studying to be a Spanish teacher or something. >>>>>>> I saw you on the nobe list, so I know you want to teach. >>>>>>> Its too bad they did what they did to you. Discrimination is live and >>>>>>> well >>>>>>> around here. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Hope Paulos >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 9:18 PM >>>>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I couldn't agree more. Well said!!! There was an instance where I had >>>>>>> applied for an interpreter work-at-home position and I had the skills >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> passed the language part of the interview with flying colors. As soon >>>>>>> as >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> mentioned I was blind I was told that I couldn't use a computer to >>>>>>> take >>>>>>> notes, but sighted people could use pencils. I was told I wouldn't be >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> good >>>>>>> fit because I had to take breaks to take my dog outside. It was >>>>>>> blatent >>>>>>> discrimination. Needless to say I filed a complaint with department >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> justice and they got called out. I don't think they'll be doing >>>>>>> anything >>>>>>> like that again. Just keep advocating!! >>>>>>> Hope >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>>>> Behalf >>>>>>> Of Gloria G >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 9:05 PM >>>>>>> To: Misty Dawn Bradley; National Association of Blind Students >>>>>>> mailing >>>>>>> list >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> What I find interesting is the organizations that provide services to >>>>>>> persons with disabilities and tell the clients they can do whatever >>>>>>> they >>>>>>> put >>>>>>> their minds to as long as they work hard and advicate for themselves, >>>>>>> turn >>>>>>> away a blind person because they feel we are unable to complete >>>>>>> tasks. >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Misty Dawn Bradley" >>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:49 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> I also ran into the same issue when applying for a full-time >>>>>>>> position >>>>>>>> with AmeriCorps. The people conducting the interview kept >>>>>>>> emphasizing >>>>>>>> the paperwork, and I tried to explain that there are ways that I >>>>>>>> could >>>>>>>> do the paperwork, but I still did not get the position. It surprised >>>>>>>> me, because I worked in that same office and turned in all reports >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> paperwork on time, although I had a different supervisor and it was >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> different program. I think part of it was that I did not have >>>>>>>> experience in the area of the position, but I also think part of it >>>>>>>> was the paperwork, because that point was emphasized indirectly >>>>>>>> during >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>> interview. >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> Misty >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: "Gloria G" >>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:41 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>> I am not offended or anything by the questions that are asked. I am >>>>>>>>> just upset that I am not given a chance. It is almost as if the >>>>>>>>> employer has decided what I can and can not do the minute I walk in >>>>>>>>> the door with my cane. >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>> From: "David Dodge" >>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:36 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Gloria, >>>>>>>>>> It definitely sounds like you are going about things the right >>>>>>>>>> way. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I would try not to get discouraged or be concerned by the >>>>>>>>>> questions >>>>>>>>>> the interviewer is asking. It is definitely not a bad thing for a >>>>>>>>>> blind person to help a sighted person better understand how the >>>>>>>>>> employment would work. >>>>>>>>>> Think of it as an opportunity for you to advocate and teach the >>>>>>>>>> potential employer something. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The best that can be done is what you are doing - honestly >>>>>>>>>> answering >>>>>>>>>> questions and explaining things. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> David >>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>> David Dodge >>>>>>>>>> Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson English >>>>>>>>>> Major >>>>>>>>>> University at Buffalo >>>>>>>>>> 306 Clemens Hall >>>>>>>>>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>>>>>>>>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Gloria G >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Hope, >>>>>>>>>>> Did you go to get your masters in rehab counseling? I have also >>>>>>>>>>> thought of getting a masters in rehab counseling. >>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" < >>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:16 PM >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> No. I'm currently hunting for a job as well. I just answered them >>>>>>>>>>> as you >>>>>>>>>>>> do, >>>>>>>>>>>> explaining how I would do certain things and giving examples. I >>>>>>>>>>>> applied for a vocational rehabilitation counselor I. position >>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> I would be working with individuals with disabilities as well as >>>>>>>>>>>> mental health diagnoses. >>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing offends me so they can ask any question they want >>>>>>>>>>>> regarding my blindness. It's just a matter of overcoming the >>>>>>>>>>>> stereotypes put on us by people who don't know what we really >>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>> do. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org] >>>>>>>>>>>> On Behalf >>>>>>>>>>>> Of Gloria G >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:13 PM >>>>>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Hope, >>>>>>>>>>>> Do you currently work? If so how did you get around those >>>>>>>>>>>> questions? >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 6:52 PM >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Gloria. I think you're taking the right approach. I always >>>>>>>>>>>> disclose my >>>>>>>>>>>>> blindness (it's hard for them not to see that I'm blind >>>>>>>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>>>>>>> of my guide dog). I'd just continue to advocate for yourself as >>>>>>>>>>>>> far as working with at risk youth. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hope >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org] >>>>>>>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf >>>>>>>>>>>>> Of Gloria G >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:24 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>>>>>>> I was wondering how do you handle interviews when the talk of >>>>>>>>>>>>> blindness comes up? I have had some interviews and in some >>>>>>>>>>>>> cases >>>>>>>>>>>>> the interviewer does not bring up my blindness, but I know it >>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>> something that is very noticable as soon as I walk in the door. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>> try to remain calm and answer the questions that pertain to the >>>>>>>>>>>>> position I am applying for and I discuss how I would handle >>>>>>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>>>> tasks despite my blindness. There are those interviewers who >>>>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>>>> come right out and ask how I am going to complete the task >>>>>>>>>>>>> required of me as a blind person. I answer and give examples of >>>>>>>>>>>>> how I would complete the tasks. I guess I should have started >>>>>>>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>>>>>> by saying I am a psychology and sociology double major and want >>>>>>>>>>>>> to work with at risk youth as a counselor. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Because I do not yet have my degree I am trying to gain as much >>>>>>>>>>>>> experience as possible because this is what future employers >>>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>>> be looking for, but the problem I run into is there are many >>>>>>>>>>>>> organizations that work with at risk youth in the town I live >>>>>>>>>>>>> in, >>>>>>>>>>>>> but there is always the question of how I am going to work with >>>>>>>>>>>>> the youth as a blind person. I have also thought of doing any >>>>>>>>>>>>> work that envolved providing services to youth, women, families >>>>>>>>>>>>> such as, homeless shelters and things of that nature. I am just >>>>>>>>>>>>> feeling defeated at this point, because every door I have >>>>>>>>>>>>> opened >>>>>>>>>>>>> has closed shut in my face, and it only seems to be due to me >>>>>>>>>>>>> being blind. 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nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com From dandrews at visi.com Wed Aug 8 20:27:59 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 15:27:59 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] coupon shopping and looking for sales In-Reply-To: <1344395335.33508.YahooMailClassic@web162003.mail.bf1.yahoo .com> References: <1344395335.33508.YahooMailClassic@web162003.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: For Minnesota residents we read the grocery ads on our Dial-In News system. If you live in MN call 651-642-0885 to register. Dave At 10:08 PM 8/7/2012, you wrote: >Is there such service in Minnesota? Is there a way to get a copy of >the cupon that are published and can be clipped out from the newspapers? >Anmol >I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. >Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, >like a breeze among flowers. >Hellen Keller > > >--- On Tue, 8/7/12, David Andrews wrote: > > > From: David Andrews > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] coupon shopping and looking for sales > > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > > Date: Tuesday, August 7, 2012, 8:31 PM > > Our local radio reading service reads > > the ads. They are also read on our Dial-In News > > telephone-accessed newspaper reading service like > > Newsline. Depending on where you live there might be > > other options. > > > > Dave > > > > At 01:38 PM 8/7/2012, you wrote: > > > Thats all good suggestions, but what I am wondering the > > local newspapers I believe it mostly is the Sunday newspaper > > have sales for the local stores and I am wondering if there > > is a way a blind person can access that information. > > Sometimes the stores that you do not shop at have some > > really good sales and the only way to find out about them is > > through the newspaper. > > > Anmol > > > I seldom think about my limitations, and they never > > make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at > > times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers. > > > Hellen Keller > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 8/7/12, Chun Chao > > wrote: > > > > > > > From: Chun Chao > > > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] coupon shopping and looking > > for sales > > > > To: "National Association of Blind Students > > mailing list" > > > > Date: Tuesday, August 7, 2012, 1:33 PM > > > > Try going into the website of stores > > > > that you often shop at. > > > > For example, you can go to www.walmart.com and > > find the > > > > link > > > > "printable coupons" as well as look at "local ads" > > or > > > > "specials". > > > > Also, most if not all store websites have a "find > > a store" > > > > feature > > > > that can help you find the store(s) in your area > > and show > > > > sales that > > > > might be taking place in those stores. > > > > As for larger items like devices or electronics, > > ordering > > > > them online > > > > can save you more than getting them at the store. > > > > > > > > C.C. Alan > > > > > > > > On 8/7/12, Anmol Bhatia > > > > wrote: > > > > > Does anyone looking for coupons and sales > > when > > > > shopping? I am wondering how > > > > > to looking for coupons that are usually > > published in > > > > the newspapers as well > > > > > as the sales. I really need to start using > > coupons and > > > > look for sales and > > > > > try to save some money. Most sighted people > > are able to > > > > find coupons and > > > > > sales in the newspaper, but since this is not > > available > > > > on the NFB Newsline, > > > > > besides target sales, I am just wondering how > > to go > > > > about doing this. > > > > > thanks > > > > > Anmol From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Wed Aug 8 21:09:24 2012 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 15:09:24 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Downloading Books Message-ID: <5022d587.a5b6ec0a.5aaf.ffff90d9@mx.google.com> Does Learning Ally work with the braillenote? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gloria G" wrote: Hi all, Can anyone walk me through how to download books from the learning ali cite? Thanks _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmai l.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves %40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com From anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com Thu Aug 9 00:41:57 2012 From: anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com (Anmol Bhatia) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 17:41:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: [rehab] Better Federal Coordination Could Lessen Challenges in the Transition from High School, GAO-12-594, July 12 2012 Message-ID: <1344472917.78671.YahooMailClassic@web162005.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 8/8/12, Nightingale, Noel wrote: > From: Nightingale, Noel > Subject: [rehab] Better Federal Coordination Could Lessen Challenges in the Transition from High School, GAO-12-594, July 12 2012 > To: "rehab at nfbnet.org" > Date: Wednesday, August 8, 2012, 6:29 PM > > > Link: > http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-12-594 > > Text: > Students with Disabilities > Better Federal Coordination Could Lessen Challenges in the > Transition from High School > GAO-12-594, Jul 12, 2012 > *         Highlights > View Report (PDF, 71 pages) > Additional Materials: > *         Podcast: > o    Assisting Students with Disabilities > Transitioning from High School > *         Highlights Page > (PDF, 1 page) > *         Accessible > Text > Contact: > Revae E. Moran > (202) 512-7215 > moranr at gao.gov > > Office of Public Affairs > (202) 512-4800 > youngc1 at gao.gov > What GAO Found > Students with disabilities face several longstanding > challenges accessing services that may assist them as they > transition from high school into postsecondary education or > the workforce-services such as tutoring, vocational > training, and assistive technology. Eligible students with > disabilities are entitled to transition planning services > during high school, but after leaving high school, to > receive services that facilitate their transition they must > apply as adults and establish eligibility for programs > administered by multiple federal agencies. Students with > disabilities may face delays in service and end up on > waitlists if these programs are full. In addition, while all > five states GAO contacted have taken steps to coordinate > their transition services and assist families with the > transition process, officials said that it is still > difficult for students and their parents to navigate and for > providers to coordinate services across different programs. > Officials and parents GAO spoke with also noted a lack of > sufficient information or awareness of the full range of > service options available after high school on the part of > students with disabilities, parents, and service providers. > In addition, state and local officials said students with > disabilities may not be adequately prepared to successfully > transition to life after high school. This may be due, in > part, to limited opportunities to engage in vocational and > life skills training or obtain work experience while in > school. > The Departments of Education (Education), Health and Human > Services (HHS), and Labor (Labor), and the Social Security > Administration (SSA) coordinate transition activities to > some degree, but their coordination has limitations and they > do not assess the effectiveness of their efforts. One > coordinating body involves all four agencies and focuses on > transition services. However, that group's primary > coordination activity is information sharing among > staff-level representatives rather than developing common > outcome goals and establishing compatible policies for > operating across agencies. Agency officials told GAO that a > lack of compatible outcome goals for transitioning students > and differences in statutory eligibility criteria are among > the barriers that hinder interagency coordination for this > population. While agencies collaborate to some extent, their > efforts represent a patchwork approach and there is no > single, formal, government-wide strategy for coordinating > transition services for students with disabilities. > Moreover, it is unclear what impact coordination has on > service provision because agencies do not assess the > effectiveness of their coordination activities. > Why GAO Did This Study > The transition out of high school to postsecondary education > or the workforce can be a challenging time, especially for > students with disabilities. Multiple federal agencies fund > programs to support these students during their transition. > In 2003, GAO reported that limited coordination among these > programs can hinder a successful transition. GAO was asked > to provide information on the (1) challenges students with > disabilities may face accessing federally funded transition > services; and (2) extent to which federal agencies > coordinate their transition activities. GAO reviewed > relevant federal laws, regulations, and agency documents > from Education, HHS, Labor, and SSA, which administer the > key programs that provide transition services. GAO also > administered a data collection instrument to gather program > information from these agencies. Finally, GAO interviewed > various stakeholders, including state and local officials, > service providers, parents, and students with disabilities, > in five states selected based on the number of federal > grants they received to fund transition services. > What GAO Recommends > To improve the provision of transition services for students > with disabilities, GAO recommends that Education, HHS, > Labor, and SSA develop an interagency transition strategy > that addresses (1) operating toward common outcome goals for > transitioning youth; (2) increasing awareness of available > transition services; and (3) assessing the effectiveness of > their coordination efforts. All four agencies agreed with > the recommendation. > For more information, contact Revae E. Moran at (202) > 512-7215 or moran at gao.gov. > Recommendations for Executive Action > GAO is currently experiencing technical difficulties and is > temporarily not displaying recommendation status and > comments information. > Recommendation: To improve the provision of transition > services to students with disabilities through enhanced > coordination among the multiple federal programs that > support this population, the Secretaries of Education, HHS, > and Labor, and the Commissioner of SSA should direct the > appropriate program offices to work collaboratively to > develop a federal interagency transition strategy. This > strategy should address: 1. compatible policies, procedures, > and other means to operate across agency boundaries towards > common outcomes for transitioning youth and their families; > 2. methods to increase awareness among students, families, > high school teachers, and other service providers on the > range of available transition services; and 3. ways to > assess the effectiveness of federal coordination efforts in > providing transition services. To the extent that > legislative changes are needed to facilitate the > implementation of this transition strategy, agencies should > identify and communicate them to the Congress. > Agency Affected: Department of Education > Recommendation: To improve the provision of transition > services to students with disabilities through enhanced > coordination among the multiple federal programs that > support this population, the Secretaries of Education, HHS, > and Labor, and the Commissioner of SSA should direct the > appropriate program offices to work collaboratively to > develop a federal interagency transition strategy. This > strategy should address: 1. compatible policies, procedures, > and other means to operate across agency boundaries towards > common outcomes for transitioning youth and their families; > 2. methods to increase awareness among students, families, > high school teachers, and other service providers on the > range of available transition services; and 3. ways to > assess the effectiveness of federal coordination efforts in > providing transition services. To the extent that > legislative changes are needed to facilitate the > implementation of this transition strategy, agencies should > identify and communicate them to the Congress. > Agency Affected: Department of Health and Human Services > Recommendation: To improve the provision of transition > services to students with disabilities through enhanced > coordination among the multiple federal programs that > support this population, the Secretaries of Education, HHS, > and Labor, and the Commissioner of SSA should direct the > appropriate program offices to work collaboratively to > develop a federal interagency transition strategy. This > strategy should address: 1. compatible policies, procedures, > and other means to operate across agency boundaries towards > common outcomes for transitioning youth and their families; > 2. methods to increase awareness among students, families, > high school teachers, and other service providers on the > range of available transition services; and 3. ways to > assess the effectiveness of federal coordination efforts in > providing transition services. To the extent that > legislative changes are needed to facilitate the > implementation of this transition strategy, agencies should > identify and communicate them to the Congress. > Agency Affected: Department of Labor > Recommendation: To improve the provision of transition > services to students with disabilities through enhanced > coordination among the multiple federal programs that > support this population, the Secretaries of Education, HHS, > and Labor, and the Commissioner of SSA should direct the > appropriate program offices to work collaboratively to > develop a federal interagency transition strategy. This > strategy should address: 1. compatible policies, procedures, > and other means to operate across agency boundaries towards > common outcomes for transitioning youth and their families; > 2. methods to increase awareness among students, families, > high school teachers, and other service providers on the > range of available transition services; and 3. ways to > assess the effectiveness of federal coordination efforts in > providing transition services. To the extent that > legislative changes are needed to facilitate the > implementation of this transition strategy, agencies should > identify and communicate them to the Congress. > Agency Affected: Social Security Administration > > _______________________________________________ > rehab mailing list > rehab at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/rehab_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for rehab: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/rehab_nfbnet.org/anmolpbhatia%40yahoo.com > From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Thu Aug 9 01:17:56 2012 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 18:17:56 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] coupon shopping and looking for sales In-Reply-To: References: <1344395335.33508.YahooMailClassic@web162003.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <009501cd75cc$d02cfd80$7086f880$@gmail.com> Is there such service in Washington? -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Andrews Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 1:28 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] coupon shopping and looking for sales For Minnesota residents we read the grocery ads on our Dial-In News system. If you live in MN call 651-642-0885 to register. Dave At 10:08 PM 8/7/2012, you wrote: >Is there such service in Minnesota? Is there a way to get a copy of >the cupon that are published and can be clipped out from the newspapers? >Anmol >I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. >Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, >like a breeze among flowers. >Hellen Keller > > >--- On Tue, 8/7/12, David Andrews wrote: > > > From: David Andrews > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] coupon shopping and looking for sales > > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > > Date: Tuesday, August 7, 2012, 8:31 PM > > Our local radio reading service reads > > the ads. They are also read on our Dial-In News > > telephone-accessed newspaper reading service like > > Newsline. Depending on where you live there might be > > other options. > > > > Dave > > > > At 01:38 PM 8/7/2012, you wrote: > > > Thats all good suggestions, but what I am wondering the > > local newspapers I believe it mostly is the Sunday newspaper > > have sales for the local stores and I am wondering if there > > is a way a blind person can access that information. > > Sometimes the stores that you do not shop at have some > > really good sales and the only way to find out about them is > > through the newspaper. > > > Anmol > > > I seldom think about my limitations, and they never > > make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at > > times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers. > > > Hellen Keller > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 8/7/12, Chun Chao > > wrote: > > > > > > > From: Chun Chao > > > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] coupon shopping and looking > > for sales > > > > To: "National Association of Blind Students > > mailing list" > > > > Date: Tuesday, August 7, 2012, 1:33 PM > > > > Try going into the website of stores > > > > that you often shop at. > > > > For example, you can go to www.walmart.com and > > find the > > > > link > > > > "printable coupons" as well as look at "local ads" > > or > > > > "specials". > > > > Also, most if not all store websites have a "find > > a store" > > > > feature > > > > that can help you find the store(s) in your area > > and show > > > > sales that > > > > might be taking place in those stores. > > > > As for larger items like devices or electronics, > > ordering > > > > them online > > > > can save you more than getting them at the store. > > > > > > > > C.C. Alan > > > > > > > > On 8/7/12, Anmol Bhatia > > > > wrote: > > > > > Does anyone looking for coupons and sales > > when > > > > shopping? I am wondering how > > > > > to looking for coupons that are usually > > published in > > > > the newspapers as well > > > > > as the sales. I really need to start using > > coupons and > > > > look for sales and > > > > > try to save some money. Most sighted people > > are able to > > > > find coupons and > > > > > sales in the newspaper, but since this is not > > available > > > > on the NFB Newsline, > > > > > besides target sales, I am just wondering how > > to go > > > > about doing this. > > > > > thanks > > > > > Anmol _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g mail.com From dandrews at visi.com Thu Aug 9 01:45:45 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 20:45:45 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] My Observations About the Braille Edge 40 From HIMS Message-ID: > >From: "Michael D. Barber" >To: "List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology" > >Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 20:35:35 -0500 >Subject: [Trainer-talk] My Observations About the Braille Edge 40 From HIMS > >Good evening: I wanted to share with the List my observations about the >above subject unit I was privileged to test just before our national >convention. > >BrailleEdge 40: The Newest Offering by HIMS-Inc. > >Presented by > >Michael D. Barber, President >NFB Assistive Technology Trainers Division > > >My very first introduction to the world of refreshable Braille was in 1991 >during my employment as the first totally blind customer service >representative at then Norwest Card Services (later to become Wells Fargo >Card Services.) My job was to help customers understand their monthly >statements, assist with replacing lost or stolen cards, make necessary >monetary adjustments to their statements, give balances, etc. > >At that time, I was using Artic Business Vision, but because of unresolved >conflicts between Norwest's system and the screen reading technology, it was >clear my short stay at Norwest was in jeopardy. Enter Humanware and the >Alva 280 braille display. > >I had never seen a braille display and was totally unfamiliar with what they >could do. This Alva display was a job saver for me, because now I could, >without any conflicts at all, do all the things my sighted coworkers were >doing. > >Since then, I've seen many different displays, ranging from the 80-cell >display all the way down to the 12-cell display offered by the Braille Pen >12 display. Some of these displays are simply that; braille displays, >while others offer the ability to actually take notes using their >Perkins-style or QWERTY keyboards as seen with the Braillenote and >Braillesense and other devices. The most recent offering I've seen is the >BrailleEdge 40 from HIMS-Inc. > >The BrailleEdge 40 is a very basic notetaking device manufactured by >Hims-Inc. It features a 40-cell braille display, an nine-key Perkins style >keyboard, 8 function keys, eight navigation buttons, four scroll buttons and >40 cursor-routing keys. Additionally, it operates using the Windows CE 5.0 >operating system and has a Lithium polymer battery which will last >approximately 20 hours before it needs recharging. The package will include >a USB cable, an AC power adapter, a CD containing the manual, as well as a >2GB SD card. The unit measures approximately 12 inches long and about 4 >inches deep and weighs about 2 pounds. Its primary function is that of a >Braille display, either for the JAWS, Window-Eyes and NVDA screen readers, >or for IOS devices. At present, it does not work with the 5.11 IOS >software; however, it did work with the prior build, according to HIMS. >They are hopeful that Apple will fix the problem in the next software >release. > >With this unit, you can open BRF files such as those found on Web Braille, >create new BRL files and edit text files. It also has a calculator, >planner, stopwatch, countdown timer, and an alarm. Its price is slightly >under $3,000, which is about half the price of other popular note taking >devices on the market. > >While this unit provides a nice ergonomic design for the keyboard, and The >keys are easy to push and very responsive, I experienced a problem in >getting one particular setting to hold in the Options menu. I wanted the >unit to start in a new document and it would not. HIMS indicates this is a >known problem. I did note that when I pressed the reset button on the rear >panel of the unit that the unit would start up and I was placed in a new >document. Powering down and then back up produced the same result as >before, and I was in the main menu once again. I also noted that when you >edit a text document and use contracted braille, it's best to read the saved >file on a computer using a braille display because at present there is no >reverse translation and the speech synthesizer will not read properly. >HIMS officials indicated they would pass on this concern with hopes this >would be fixed in future updates. > >I was able to successfully install the needed drivers so the unit would work >nicely with JAWS. When you connect the unit to the computer using the USB >cable, the BrailleEdge automatically powers up and you're immediately placed >in Terminal mode. I then had to unload and reload JAWS so that the braille >display became active. > >The manual which accompanies the unit was easy enough to follow and the >steps to perform various functions were written in an easy-to-follow style. > > > >My conclusions are these: > >1. Hims has developed an excellent product which is principally for use >as a Braille display or taking notes. >2. With the price being about half of what other known note taking >devices, this will be attractive to individuals and rehabilitation agencies >alike. >3. The unit is very comfortable to write on. >4. The braille on the display is very firm and easy to read. >5. This unit will accommodate up to a 32-gigabyte SD card allowing for >a vast amount of storage. >6. Although this is a very functional unit, I fear that because of the >small percentage of people reading or writing braille, it may not sell as >well as it could otherwise. >7. I could live with a unit half its size using a 20-cell display which >would add improved portability. > > >Cordially, >Michael D. Barber >(515) 771-8348 From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Aug 9 03:05:07 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 23:05:07 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] files in protected view In-Reply-To: References: <005701cd74da$d72b63d0$85822b70$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Katie, Thanks. Wow, I did not know there was a way to disable it. I also find this new feature annoying. -----Original Message----- From: Katie Wang Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 12:37 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] files in protected view Hi Patrick and all, The Protected View is a feature of MS Word, rather than Outlook, 2010, and there is actually a way to turn it off permanently. Assuming that you have Virtual Ribbons enabled, open MS Word, navigate to the File tab by pressing Alt plus f, then arrow down to select Options. In the Categories combo box, select Trust Center, then tab over to the Trust Center Settings button and press Enter. Select Protected View in the Category combo box, then press Tab. Uncheck the box next to Email Attachments and you should be set to go. Note that if you regularly work with files saved in web sharing services such as Dropbox, you may want to uncheck the box next to Files From The Internet too, as MS Word would otherwise open any web-based documents in Protected View. Feel free to ask for clarifications if you have any problems following these instructions. I was very frustrated with the Protected View when first switching to MS Office 2010 as well and was glad that I found a permanent solution via a Google Search. Hope this helps! Katie On 8/7/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi all, > If you do use the Gmail web interface, viewing documents as HTML is a > great quick way to view an attachment. I find that searching is much > easier in HTML than it is in Word and it is also a very efficient and > accessible way to view PDF files and PowerPoint presentations. In > fact, when I have a PDF article, I will often email it to myself as an > attachment and then view it in HTML just to take advantage of the > navigational ease. However, note that this does not work with scanned > PDF's. If you want to read a scanned PDF quickly, and have Gmail, what > I would recommend is to send the PDF to > convert at robobraille.org > with the word "doc" in the subject line and nothing in the message > body. RoboBraille will send the file back to you in Word format and > you can then view it in HTML. > Best, > Arielle > > On 8/7/12, Danielle Sykora wrote: >> Hello everyone, >> If you open a file in microsoft word and it is in protected view, all >> you have to do is hit F6 and tab to the enable editing button. >> Hope this helps, >> Danielle >> >> On 8/7/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>> Hi Joshua, >>> >>> Your procedure will work assuming that the person doing it is checking >>> their >>> email using the Gmail Web interface. If you are opening the attachment >>> using >>> Microsoft Outlook or a similar email client, the attached file will open >>> in >>> protected view once Microsoft Word is launched. >>> >>> Hope this helps, >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Joshua Lester >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 11:30 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] files in protected view >>> >>> Yes. >>> All you have to do, is instead of hitting view as HTML, just open the >>> document, and it will save to Microsoft Word. >>> Then, just open the document up in Word, and you can work with it. >>> You can't deal with it in an E-mail, though. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 8/7/12, Patrick Molloy wrote: >>>> Hey NABS: >>>> I'm really not sure where to go with this one. I have word 2010. When >>>> I get files as e-mail attachments and try to open them, they open in >>>> protected view. This means I can't work with them in any way. Is there >>>> a way to turn off protected view, so that it doesn't happen every time >>>> I get an e-mail with an attachment I want to read? >>>> Thanks, >>>> Patrick >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40stud >>>> ents.pccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c >>> om >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From kolby12091988 at gmail.com Thu Aug 9 11:52:19 2012 From: kolby12091988 at gmail.com (Kolby) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 07:52:19 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] files in protected view In-Reply-To: References: <005701cd74da$d72b63d0$85822b70$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <016201cd7625$6ef3a060$4cdae120$@gmail.com> Thank you Katie for the instructions on permanently disabling protected view. I was previously pressing F6 and tabbing to the enable editing button every time I opened a word document from the internet or an email attachment. Having protected view permanently off makes things easier for sure. Kolby From ptrck.molloy at gmail.com Thu Aug 9 13:27:22 2012 From: ptrck.molloy at gmail.com (Patrick Molloy) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 09:27:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] files in protected view In-Reply-To: <016201cd7625$6ef3a060$4cdae120$@gmail.com> References: <005701cd74da$d72b63d0$85822b70$@gmail.com> <016201cd7625$6ef3a060$4cdae120$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yeah, thanks for the tip about turning it off. I did that right away, because I'm tired of having documents open that way. Patrick On 8/9/12, Kolby wrote: > Thank you Katie for the instructions on permanently disabling protected > view. I was previously pressing F6 and tabbing to the enable editing button > every time I opened a word document from the internet or an email > attachment. Having protected view permanently off makes things easier for > sure. > Kolby > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Thu Aug 9 13:40:11 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 08:40:11 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Ah HA! I found the culperate! Message-ID: I asked about Flash Websites, and why Jaws couldn't read them, in an earlier thread! Well: I've found the main culperate in inaccessible Websites! www.wix.com Wix has made all of their Websites, including this one, inaccessible with screenreaders! http://www.bibleway.ca The site that I used in the earlier thread, www.altitudeworship.com is also powered by Wix! We need to do something about this! You may think this is off topic for the list, because these two sites are for churches, but I know of some colleges, that use this same company, to make their Websites inaccessible. Blessings, Joshua From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com Thu Aug 9 13:54:53 2012 From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 09:54:53 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Ah HA! I found the culperate! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40766E96-FBA2-4734-9120-06E767EB7F2E@gmail.com> Keep in mind that this may not be the only sight that is causing this inaccessibility. Also, you make it sound as though these people are causing their sites to be inaccessible on purpose, just to spite us. Have you tried contacting any of the people responsible for these sites? It is entirely possible that they do not realize that their sites are inaccessible. Education is a large part of changing the environment. Yes, those individuals may say that they do not wish to change their sites, but we cannot know this until we try. The same is true with colleges and universities. If you contact the disability services coordinator, they can help you to fix these problems or get in touch with someone else who may be able to fix the problems so that this part of your education is as accessible as possible. Aleeha Dudley President, Ohio Association of Blind Students Changing what it means to be blind On Aug 9, 2012, at 9:40 AM, Joshua Lester wrote: > I asked about Flash Websites, and why Jaws couldn't read them, in an > earlier thread! > Well: I've found the main culperate in inaccessible Websites! > www.wix.com > Wix has made all of their Websites, including this one, inaccessible > with screenreaders! > http://www.bibleway.ca > The site that I used in the earlier thread, www.altitudeworship.com is > also powered by Wix! > We need to do something about this! > You may think this is off topic for the list, because these two sites > are for churches, but I know of some colleges, that use this same > company, to make their Websites inaccessible. > Blessings, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Thu Aug 9 14:20:05 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 09:20:05 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Ah HA! I found the culperate! In-Reply-To: <40766E96-FBA2-4734-9120-06E767EB7F2E@gmail.com> References: <40766E96-FBA2-4734-9120-06E767EB7F2E@gmail.com> Message-ID: I went to Wix's contact page, and although the main homepage is in HTML, the contact page is in Flash, so I can't access it. This is illegal, because of the ruling by the Department of Justice, in 2010. This ruling has been mentioned by me, on other threads. It states, that the ADA applies to Websites. Blessings, Joshua On 8/9/12, Aleeha Dudley wrote: > Keep in mind that this may not be the only sight that is causing this > inaccessibility. Also, you make it sound as though these people are causing > their sites to be inaccessible on purpose, just to spite us. Have you tried > contacting any of the people responsible for these sites? It is entirely > possible that they do not realize that their sites are inaccessible. > Education is a large part of changing the environment. Yes, those > individuals may say that they do not wish to change their sites, but we > cannot know this until we try. The same is true with colleges and > universities. If you contact the disability services coordinator, they can > help you to fix these problems or get in touch with someone else who may be > able to fix the problems so that this part of your education is as > accessible as possible. > > Aleeha Dudley > President, Ohio Association of Blind Students > Changing what it means to be blind > > On Aug 9, 2012, at 9:40 AM, Joshua Lester > wrote: > >> I asked about Flash Websites, and why Jaws couldn't read them, in an >> earlier thread! >> Well: I've found the main culperate in inaccessible Websites! >> www.wix.com >> Wix has made all of their Websites, including this one, inaccessible >> with screenreaders! >> http://www.bibleway.ca >> The site that I used in the earlier thread, www.altitudeworship.com is >> also powered by Wix! >> We need to do something about this! >> You may think this is off topic for the list, because these two sites >> are for churches, but I know of some colleges, that use this same >> company, to make their Websites inaccessible. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com Thu Aug 9 14:38:25 2012 From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 10:38:25 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Ah HA! I found the culperate! In-Reply-To: References: <40766E96-FBA2-4734-9120-06E767EB7F2E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <56F648BB-DB8C-4F34-8498-2D0AD48C6FD8@gmail.com> Look on the bibleway.ca site. Press enter on contact and you will find an email address. This isNot a flash object because I just accessed it with my iPhone and it read fine. The iPhone cannot access flash, so it should be accessible with jaws as well. Ask them to give you the contact info for their site developers so that you can talk to them about accessibility. Aleeha Dudley President, Ohio Association of Blind Students Changing what it means to be blind On Aug 9, 2012, at 10:20 AM, Joshua Lester wrote: > I went to Wix's contact page, and although the main homepage is in > HTML, the contact page is in Flash, so I can't access it. > This is illegal, because of the ruling by the Department of Justice, in 2010. > This ruling has been mentioned by me, on other threads. > It states, that the ADA applies to Websites. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 8/9/12, Aleeha Dudley wrote: >> Keep in mind that this may not be the only sight that is causing this >> inaccessibility. Also, you make it sound as though these people are causing >> their sites to be inaccessible on purpose, just to spite us. Have you tried >> contacting any of the people responsible for these sites? It is entirely >> possible that they do not realize that their sites are inaccessible. >> Education is a large part of changing the environment. Yes, those >> individuals may say that they do not wish to change their sites, but we >> cannot know this until we try. The same is true with colleges and >> universities. If you contact the disability services coordinator, they can >> help you to fix these problems or get in touch with someone else who may be >> able to fix the problems so that this part of your education is as >> accessible as possible. >> >> Aleeha Dudley >> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students >> Changing what it means to be blind >> >> On Aug 9, 2012, at 9:40 AM, Joshua Lester >> wrote: >> >>> I asked about Flash Websites, and why Jaws couldn't read them, in an >>> earlier thread! >>> Well: I've found the main culperate in inaccessible Websites! >>> www.wix.com >>> Wix has made all of their Websites, including this one, inaccessible >>> with screenreaders! >>> http://www.bibleway.ca >>> The site that I used in the earlier thread, www.altitudeworship.com is >>> also powered by Wix! >>> We need to do something about this! >>> You may think this is off topic for the list, because these two sites >>> are for churches, but I know of some colleges, that use this same >>> company, to make their Websites inaccessible. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Thu Aug 9 14:47:20 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 09:47:20 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Ah HA! I found the culperate! In-Reply-To: <56F648BB-DB8C-4F34-8498-2D0AD48C6FD8@gmail.com> References: <40766E96-FBA2-4734-9120-06E767EB7F2E@gmail.com> <56F648BB-DB8C-4F34-8498-2D0AD48C6FD8@gmail.com> Message-ID: I can't access it with my Lap top,and I don't have an IFone. I sent them an E-mail, because their E-mail address is on the UPCI's Website, (that's the denomination they're affiliated with.) BTW, the Altitude Worship site is powered by another company. Blue Host. http://www.bluehost.com Their pastor didn't want to change the site, but he gave me the information I needed to know, but the Bible Way site is a different story. No response. Blessings, Joshua On 8/9/12, Aleeha Dudley wrote: > Look on the bibleway.ca site. Press enter on contact and you will find an > email address. This isNot a flash object because I just accessed it with my > iPhone and it read fine. The iPhone cannot access flash, so it should be > accessible with jaws as well. Ask them to give you the contact info for > their site developers so that you can talk to them about accessibility. > > Aleeha Dudley > President, Ohio Association of Blind Students > Changing what it means to be blind > > On Aug 9, 2012, at 10:20 AM, Joshua Lester > wrote: > >> I went to Wix's contact page, and although the main homepage is in >> HTML, the contact page is in Flash, so I can't access it. >> This is illegal, because of the ruling by the Department of Justice, in >> 2010. >> This ruling has been mentioned by me, on other threads. >> It states, that the ADA applies to Websites. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 8/9/12, Aleeha Dudley wrote: >>> Keep in mind that this may not be the only sight that is causing this >>> inaccessibility. Also, you make it sound as though these people are >>> causing >>> their sites to be inaccessible on purpose, just to spite us. Have you >>> tried >>> contacting any of the people responsible for these sites? It is entirely >>> possible that they do not realize that their sites are inaccessible. >>> Education is a large part of changing the environment. Yes, those >>> individuals may say that they do not wish to change their sites, but we >>> cannot know this until we try. The same is true with colleges and >>> universities. If you contact the disability services coordinator, they >>> can >>> help you to fix these problems or get in touch with someone else who may >>> be >>> able to fix the problems so that this part of your education is as >>> accessible as possible. >>> >>> Aleeha Dudley >>> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students >>> Changing what it means to be blind >>> >>> On Aug 9, 2012, at 9:40 AM, Joshua Lester >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I asked about Flash Websites, and why Jaws couldn't read them, in an >>>> earlier thread! >>>> Well: I've found the main culperate in inaccessible Websites! >>>> www.wix.com >>>> Wix has made all of their Websites, including this one, inaccessible >>>> with screenreaders! >>>> http://www.bibleway.ca >>>> The site that I used in the earlier thread, www.altitudeworship.com is >>>> also powered by Wix! >>>> We need to do something about this! >>>> You may think this is off topic for the list, because these two sites >>>> are for churches, but I know of some colleges, that use this same >>>> company, to make their Websites inaccessible. >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From lilrichie411 at gmail.com Thu Aug 9 16:24:06 2012 From: lilrichie411 at gmail.com (Jordan Richardson) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 11:24:06 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] LSAT Question Message-ID: Hi, I am planning on registering for the LSAT in October. I was wondering if there was any advice anyone on this list could give me. Either about the test or the accommodations process. I will take the LSAT in Minnesota. Thank you very much, Jordan Richardson Mn-abs president Sent from my iPod From zerone1683 at gmail.com Thu Aug 9 16:24:25 2012 From: zerone1683 at gmail.com (Chun Chao) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 09:24:25 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Ah HA! I found the culperate! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000501cd764b$71eee9c0$55ccbd40$@com> Dear Joshua: During shopping season of last year between Thanksgiving and Christmas when I was looking for laundry appliances because mine had worn out, I came across an inaccessible website with one of the larger home improvement companies as well Namely, it was www.lowes.com and I reported the issue to the National Center to have the issue looked into. I have not revisited the website since the incident and as a result Lowes lost me as a potential customer. Thought I share the experience of running into an inaccessible website. Regards, C.C. Alan Northern Nevada NFB -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 6:40 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Ah HA! I found the culperate! I asked about Flash Websites, and why Jaws couldn't read them, in an earlier thread! Well: I've found the main culperate in inaccessible Websites! www.wix.com Wix has made all of their Websites, including this one, inaccessible with screenreaders! http://www.bibleway.ca The site that I used in the earlier thread, www.altitudeworship.com is also powered by Wix! We need to do something about this! You may think this is off topic for the list, because these two sites are for churches, but I know of some colleges, that use this same company, to make their Websites inaccessible. Blessings, Joshua _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zerone1683%40gmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Thu Aug 9 16:34:09 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 11:34:09 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Ah HA! I found the culperate! In-Reply-To: <000501cd764b$71eee9c0$55ccbd40$@com> References: <000501cd764b$71eee9c0$55ccbd40$@com> Message-ID: Wow! That's terrible! Blessings, Joshua On 8/9/12, Chun Chao wrote: > Dear Joshua: > > During shopping season of last year between Thanksgiving and Christmas when > I was looking for laundry appliances because mine had worn out, I came > across an inaccessible website with one of the larger home improvement > companies as well > Namely, it was www.lowes.com and I reported the issue to the National > Center > to have the issue looked into. > I have not revisited the website since the incident and as a result Lowes > lost me as a potential customer. > Thought I share the experience of running into an inaccessible website. > > Regards, > C.C. Alan > Northern Nevada NFB > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 6:40 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Ah HA! I found the culperate! > > I asked about Flash Websites, and why Jaws couldn't read them, in an > earlier > thread! > Well: I've found the main culperate in inaccessible Websites! > www.wix.com > Wix has made all of their Websites, including this one, inaccessible with > screenreaders! > http://www.bibleway.ca > The site that I used in the earlier thread, www.altitudeworship.com is also > powered by Wix! > We need to do something about this! > You may think this is off topic for the list, because these two sites are > for churches, but I know of some colleges, that use this same company, to > make their Websites inaccessible. > Blessings, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zerone1683%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From zerone1683 at gmail.com Thu Aug 9 16:54:47 2012 From: zerone1683 at gmail.com (Chun Chao) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 09:54:47 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Ah HA! I found the cooperate! In-Reply-To: References: <000501cd764b$71eee9c0$55ccbd40$@com> Message-ID: <000301cd764f$afa67c70$0ef37550$@com> Despite the setback, I am glad to say that Best Buy, Home Depot, and Sears are all very accessible when shopping for home appliances. I ended up going with Sears in that when I visited the stores in addition to looking up the appliances online, the Sears staff treated me with courtesy as a client and not react otherwise because I am a blind person. C.C. Alan -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 9:34 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Ah HA! I found the culperate! Wow! That's terrible! Blessings, Joshua On 8/9/12, Chun Chao wrote: > Dear Joshua: > > During shopping season of last year between Thanksgiving and Christmas > when I was looking for laundry appliances because mine had worn out, I > came across an inaccessible website with one of the larger home > improvement companies as well Namely, it was www.lowes.com and I > reported the issue to the National Center to have the issue looked > into. > I have not revisited the website since the incident and as a result > Lowes lost me as a potential customer. > Thought I share the experience of running into an inaccessible website. > > Regards, > C.C. Alan > Northern Nevada NFB > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 6:40 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Ah HA! I found the culperate! > > I asked about Flash Websites, and why Jaws couldn't read them, in an > earlier thread! > Well: I've found the main culperate in inaccessible Websites! > www.wix.com > Wix has made all of their Websites, including this one, inaccessible > with screenreaders! > http://www.bibleway.ca > The site that I used in the earlier thread, www.altitudeworship.com is > also powered by Wix! > We need to do something about this! > You may think this is off topic for the list, because these two sites > are for churches, but I know of some colleges, that use this same > company, to make their Websites inaccessible. > Blessings, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zerone1683%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40stud > ents.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zerone1683%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Aug 9 20:44:03 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 16:44:03 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Ah HA! I found the cooperate! In-Reply-To: <000301cd764f$afa67c70$0ef37550$@com> References: <000501cd764b$71eee9c0$55ccbd40$@com> <000301cd764f$afa67c70$0ef37550$@com> Message-ID: Hi, So you shopped in the store; I like this better because you can chat with a sales rep then. Did they let you touch the appliances? Sometimes they are in boxes which doesn't help us as we cannot see the pictures. Glad they were nice to you. -----Original Message----- From: Chun Chao Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 12:54 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Ah HA! I found the cooperate! Despite the setback, I am glad to say that Best Buy, Home Depot, and Sears are all very accessible when shopping for home appliances. I ended up going with Sears in that when I visited the stores in addition to looking up the appliances online, the Sears staff treated me with courtesy as a client and not react otherwise because I am a blind person. C.C. Alan -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 9:34 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Ah HA! I found the culperate! Wow! That's terrible! Blessings, Joshua On 8/9/12, Chun Chao wrote: > Dear Joshua: > > During shopping season of last year between Thanksgiving and Christmas > when I was looking for laundry appliances because mine had worn out, I > came across an inaccessible website with one of the larger home > improvement companies as well Namely, it was www.lowes.com and I > reported the issue to the National Center to have the issue looked > into. > I have not revisited the website since the incident and as a result > Lowes lost me as a potential customer. > Thought I share the experience of running into an inaccessible website. > > Regards, > C.C. Alan > Northern Nevada NFB > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 6:40 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Ah HA! I found the culperate! > > I asked about Flash Websites, and why Jaws couldn't read them, in an > earlier thread! > Well: I've found the main culperate in inaccessible Websites! > www.wix.com > Wix has made all of their Websites, including this one, inaccessible > with screenreaders! > http://www.bibleway.ca > The site that I used in the earlier thread, www.altitudeworship.com is > also powered by Wix! > We need to do something about this! > You may think this is off topic for the list, because these two sites > are for churches, but I know of some colleges, that use this same > company, to make their Websites inaccessible. > Blessings, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zerone1683%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40stud > ents.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zerone1683%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Thu Aug 9 21:46:09 2012 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2012 16:46:09 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Ah HA! I found the culperate! Message-ID: <50242fa6.3053ec0a.79b5.ffffb415@mx.google.com> Joshua, it is not off topic. Though the sites are religious, they are inaccessible with screen readers. This makes it our problem, no matter what the material is. It's not only educational sites that should be accessible, but recreational ones as well. Blind people deserve to have fun just like the sighted. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester Hi Jordan, What kind of accommodations are you considering requesting, and have you started the process? While definitely doable, it is a bit late in the game to start the process for October. That said, as long as what you request is conventional, you should be ok. If you are wanting to take the exam with a screen reader, you may encounter pushback that requires appeals, etc. I'd be glad to talk with you about this off list. I could give you some thoughts on the logic games section of the test as well. Just write to me off list or give me a call if I can be of assistance. Sean 608 332-4147 From zerone1683 at gmail.com Thu Aug 9 22:55:35 2012 From: zerone1683 at gmail.com (Chun Chao) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 15:55:35 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Ah HA! I found the cooperate! In-Reply-To: References: <000501cd764b$71eee9c0$55ccbd40$@com> <000301cd764f$afa67c70$0ef37550$@com> Message-ID: <001101cd7682$17123e30$4536ba90$@com> I usually do a little of both whenever I shop for electronics or appliances. By first looking it up online allows me to at least get an idea of what best fits my needs. That way, I know what to look for when I physically go to the store and can "get right to the point" with the sales person on particular devices or models that I want to take a look at. More often than not retailers have floor models on display that you can tactilely explore. If the particular floor model is unavailable, the sales person is usually good with letting me know that what I saw online is an internet special only. My favorites are Sears, Office Depot, Best Buy, and Costco depending on the kind of electronic or appliance that I am looking for as well as which store is offering the best deal at the time. C.C. Alan -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 1:44 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Ah HA! I found the cooperate! Hi, So you shopped in the store; I like this better because you can chat with a sales rep then. Did they let you touch the appliances? Sometimes they are in boxes which doesn't help us as we cannot see the pictures. Glad they were nice to you. -----Original Message----- From: Chun Chao Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 12:54 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Ah HA! I found the cooperate! Despite the setback, I am glad to say that Best Buy, Home Depot, and Sears are all very accessible when shopping for home appliances. I ended up going with Sears in that when I visited the stores in addition to looking up the appliances online, the Sears staff treated me with courtesy as a client and not react otherwise because I am a blind person. C.C. Alan -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 9:34 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Ah HA! I found the culperate! Wow! That's terrible! Blessings, Joshua On 8/9/12, Chun Chao wrote: > Dear Joshua: > > During shopping season of last year between Thanksgiving and Christmas > when I was looking for laundry appliances because mine had worn out, I > came across an inaccessible website with one of the larger home > improvement companies as well Namely, it was www.lowes.com and I > reported the issue to the National Center to have the issue looked > into. > I have not revisited the website since the incident and as a result > Lowes lost me as a potential customer. > Thought I share the experience of running into an inaccessible website. > > Regards, > C.C. Alan > Northern Nevada NFB > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 6:40 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Ah HA! I found the culperate! > > I asked about Flash Websites, and why Jaws couldn't read them, in an > earlier thread! > Well: I've found the main culperate in inaccessible Websites! > www.wix.com > Wix has made all of their Websites, including this one, inaccessible > with screenreaders! > http://www.bibleway.ca > The site that I used in the earlier thread, www.altitudeworship.com is > also powered by Wix! > We need to do something about this! > You may think this is off topic for the list, because these two sites > are for churches, but I know of some colleges, that use this same > company, to make their Websites inaccessible. > Blessings, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zerone1683%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40stud > ents.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zerone1683%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zerone1683%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Aug 9 22:14:06 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 18:14:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Ah HA! I found the culperate! In-Reply-To: <000501cd764b$71eee9c0$55ccbd40$@com> References: <000501cd764b$71eee9c0$55ccbd40$@com> Message-ID: <7320648D-419D-4831-BA15-2AE5558A4413@gmail.com> Did you report the issue to Loes? Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPod On Aug 9, 2012, at 12:24 PM, "Chun Chao" wrote: > Dear Joshua: > > During shopping season of last year between Thanksgiving and Christmas when > I was looking for laundry appliances because mine had worn out, I came > across an inaccessible website with one of the larger home improvement > companies as well > Namely, it was www.lowes.com and I reported the issue to the National Center > to have the issue looked into. > I have not revisited the website since the incident and as a result Lowes > lost me as a potential customer. > Thought I share the experience of running into an inaccessible website. > > Regards, > C.C. Alan > Northern Nevada NFB > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 6:40 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Ah HA! I found the culperate! > > I asked about Flash Websites, and why Jaws couldn't read them, in an earlier > thread! > Well: I've found the main culperate in inaccessible Websites! > www.wix.com > Wix has made all of their Websites, including this one, inaccessible with > screenreaders! > http://www.bibleway.ca > The site that I used in the earlier thread, www.altitudeworship.com is also > powered by Wix! > We need to do something about this! > You may think this is off topic for the list, because these two sites are > for churches, but I know of some colleges, that use this same company, to > make their Websites inaccessible. > Blessings, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zerone1683%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From nabs.president at gmail.com Fri Aug 10 00:54:03 2012 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (nabs.president at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 20:54:03 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Notes for July Message-ID: <02c001cd7692$a4e18bc0$eea4a340$@gmail.com> With apologies for the tardiness, here attached, as well as pasted below, is the monthly update for July. Thanks, Sean NABS Notes July 2012 In this edition of NABS’ monthly bulletin: 1. NABS Annual Meeting a Huge Success 2. Welcoming New Blood to the Board 3. So, You Wanna Help Out? 4. State Updates 5. No Meeting Minutes NABS Annual Meeting a Huge Success Thanks to all of you who came out to the NABS meeting on July first in Dallas. With 225 students paying to register, this is the largest crowd we have had at a NABS meeting in a long time. Big thanks also to all of the individuals who took the time to share their stories with us and present on the agenda. We thought it was a fun and informative meeting, and hope you all thought so, too. If you have any feedback (positive or negative) about the meeting, or suggestions of how we might improve in the future, please just send an email to Sean Whalen at nabs.president at gmail.com and let him know. Welcoming New Blood to the Board Congratulations to Gabe Cazares of Texas and Justin Salisbury of Connecticut for being elected to the positions of Board Member 2 and Board Member 4, respectively, at our annual business meeting. The whole board is excited by the skills and talents that they bring to the table, and looks forward to a successful year. With these two additions, the current board lineup stands as follows: President, Sean Whalen (VA) First Vice President, Karen Anderson (NE) Second Vice President, Darian Smith (CA) Treasurer, Shelby Ball (GA) Secretary, Cindy Bennett (WA) Board Member 1, Candice Chapman (MS) Board Member 2, Gabe Cazares (TX) Board Member 3, Briley Pollard (VA) Board Member 4, Justin Salisbury (CT) So, You Wanna Help Out? As you likely know, the majority of the work of NABS is carried out through committees. Getting involved on one of these committees can be a great way to use your passion and talents to further the work of NABS, an also to develop new skills and meet new people. If you would be interested in helping out with our website, fundraising, planning events, or anything else that we haven’t even thought of doing yet, please contact Sean Whalen at (608) 332-4147 or nabs.president at gmail.com. Or, just reach out to any member of the board and let us know what you have in mind. All questions, as well as suggestions, are always welcome. So, come on! Let’s work together to build a brighter future for blind students all over the country! State Updates Connecticut The Connecticut Association of Blind Students will be founded on November 3, 2012, in Hartford, CT, at the National Federation of the Blind of Connecticut State Convention. The national rep for our state convention will be Alpidio Rolón. Trevor Attenberg and Justin Salisbury, two blind students from Connecticut, are organizing a group of ambitious blind students to form our new student division. The convention will be held at the Ramada Plaza Hotel. We will have a student track separate from the general session during the afternoon. Interested students should contact Justin Salisbury at justin.salisbury at earthlink.net and make plans today to attend our state convention! North Carolina The North Carolina Association of Blind Students is excited to be having its second annual student track at the 2012 National Federation of the Blind of North Carolina State Convention. Our state convention will run from Thursday, September 06, to Sunday, September 09, at Camp Dogwood in Sherrils Ford, NC. Our student track will run from 2:00 pm to 5:00 pm on Saturday, September 08. The first 2.5 hours will feature a GPS technology demonstration, gender group breakout discussions, a para-transit presentation, a disability rights discussion, and an Apple product showcase. We will conclude with our annual business meeting. We are most grateful to our state affiliate for allowing a generously discounted, all-inclusive student rate of $50, which covers lodging, meals, registration, and banquet. We hope to continue our tradition of great success with our snack pack fundraiser. We welcome students from across the nation to join us for a great time! Visit www.ncabs.org for more information. No Meeting Minutes The NABS board did not hold a meeting in the month of July. The next meeting is scheduled for August 19, and minutes from that meeting will be distributed with the NABS Notes for August. As always, please do not hesitate to contact me with any questions, concerns or suggestions. The NABS Board works for you, and we want to know how we’re doing! Thanks for reading, and we’ll be back in July. Sean Whalen President, National Association of Blind Students (608) 332-4147 Nabs.president at gmail.com Sean Whalen President, National Association of Blind Students (608) 332-4147 Nabs.president at gmail.com www.nabslink.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: NABS Notes July 2012.docx Type: application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document Size: 18404 bytes Desc: not available URL: From zerone1683 at gmail.com Fri Aug 10 00:59:32 2012 From: zerone1683 at gmail.com (Chun Chao) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 17:59:32 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Ah HA! I found the cooperate! In-Reply-To: <7320648D-419D-4831-BA15-2AE5558A4413@gmail.com> References: <000501cd764b$71eee9c0$55ccbd40$@com> <7320648D-419D-4831-BA15-2AE5558A4413@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001cd7693$6794af80$36be0e80$@com> I could not find their contact because I could not navigate their website at all. It was as if I was using the arrow keys with Microsoft Narrator on Internet Explorer. Even tabbing around the website and using the JAWS and NVDA hot keys proved futile. That was why I reported it to the National Center where they would have the resource to notify Lowes regarding the issue. C.C. Alan -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 3:14 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Ah HA! I found the culperate! Did you report the issue to Loes? Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPod On Aug 9, 2012, at 12:24 PM, "Chun Chao" wrote: > Dear Joshua: > > During shopping season of last year between Thanksgiving and Christmas > when I was looking for laundry appliances because mine had worn out, I > came across an inaccessible website with one of the larger home > improvement companies as well Namely, it was www.lowes.com and I > reported the issue to the National Center to have the issue looked > into. > I have not revisited the website since the incident and as a result > Lowes lost me as a potential customer. > Thought I share the experience of running into an inaccessible website. > > Regards, > C.C. Alan > Northern Nevada NFB > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 6:40 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Ah HA! I found the culperate! > > I asked about Flash Websites, and why Jaws couldn't read them, in an > earlier thread! > Well: I've found the main culperate in inaccessible Websites! > www.wix.com > Wix has made all of their Websites, including this one, inaccessible > with screenreaders! > http://www.bibleway.ca > The site that I used in the earlier thread, www.altitudeworship.com is > also powered by Wix! > We need to do something about this! > You may think this is off topic for the list, because these two sites > are for churches, but I know of some colleges, that use this same > company, to make their Websites inaccessible. > Blessings, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zerone1683%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40g > mail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zerone1683%40gmail.com From gpaikens at gmail.com Fri Aug 10 01:20:02 2012 From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 20:20:02 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Ah HA! I found the culperate! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1471C68E-086E-4A28-AED0-AB41E49223D2@gmail.com> Ok Joshua, this line really made me giggle: "but I know of some colleges, that use this same company, to make their Websites inaccessible" As others have pointed out, I doubt colleges and companies hire this web designer with the express purpose of making their websites inaccessible. And I think if you're looking for a main culprit as to why flash material is inaccessible, you should look to the designers of flash, your web browser and your screen reader as well. Sorry you have had a hard time accessing these sites though. I know that is an extremely frustrating experience. -Greg On Aug 9, 2012, at 8:40 AM, Joshua Lester wrote: > but I know of some colleges, that use this same > company, to make their Websites inaccessible From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Aug 10 01:21:46 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 21:21:46 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Notes for July In-Reply-To: <02c001cd7692$a4e18bc0$eea4a340$@gmail.com> References: <02c001cd7692$a4e18bc0$eea4a340$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4490DB40-86F6-43DB-954F-C3F92B33CA36@gmail.com> I would like to add that the Maryland student division is now on Facebook! Look for Maryland Association of Blind Students on FB and join our group if you're interested! Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPod On Aug 9, 2012, at 8:54 PM, wrote: > With apologies for the tardiness, here attached, as well as pasted below, is > the monthly update for July. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Sean > > > > NABS Notes > > > > July 2012 > > > > > > In this edition of NABS’ monthly bulletin: > > > > 1. NABS Annual Meeting a Huge Success > > 2. Welcoming New Blood to the Board > > 3. So, You Wanna Help Out? > > 4. State Updates > > 5. No Meeting Minutes > > > > NABS Annual Meeting a Huge Success > > > > Thanks to all of you who came out to the NABS meeting on July first in > Dallas. With 225 students paying to register, this is the largest crowd we > have had at a NABS meeting in a long time. Big thanks also to all of the > individuals who took the time to share their stories with us and present on > the agenda. We thought it was a fun and informative meeting, and hope you > all thought so, too. If you have any feedback (positive or negative) about > the meeting, or suggestions of how we might improve in the future, please > just send an email to Sean Whalen at nabs.president at gmail.com and let him > know. > > > > Welcoming New Blood to the Board > > > > Congratulations to Gabe Cazares of Texas and Justin Salisbury of Connecticut > for being elected to the positions of Board Member 2 and Board Member 4, > respectively, at our annual business meeting. The whole board is excited by > the skills and talents that they bring to the table, and looks forward to a > successful year. With these two additions, the current board lineup stands > as follows: > > > > President, Sean Whalen (VA) > > First Vice President, Karen Anderson (NE) > > Second Vice President, Darian Smith (CA) > > Treasurer, Shelby Ball (GA) > > Secretary, Cindy Bennett (WA) > > Board Member 1, Candice Chapman (MS) > > Board Member 2, Gabe Cazares (TX) > > Board Member 3, Briley Pollard (VA) > > Board Member 4, Justin Salisbury (CT) > > > > So, You Wanna Help Out? > > > > As you likely know, the majority of the work of NABS is carried out through > committees. Getting involved on one of these committees can be a great way > to use your passion and talents to further the work of NABS, an also to > develop new skills and meet new people. If you would be interested in > helping out with our website, fundraising, planning events, or anything else > that we haven’t even thought of doing yet, please contact Sean Whalen at > (608) 332-4147 or nabs.president at gmail.com. Or, just reach out to any member > of the board and let us know what you have in mind. All questions, as well > as suggestions, are always welcome. So, come on! Let’s work together to > build a brighter future for blind students all over the country! > > > > State Updates > > > > Connecticut > > > > The Connecticut Association of Blind Students will be founded on November 3, > 2012, in Hartford, CT, at the National Federation of the Blind of > Connecticut State Convention. The national rep for our state convention > will be Alpidio Rolón. > > Trevor Attenberg and Justin Salisbury, two blind students from Connecticut, > are organizing a group of ambitious blind students to form our new student > division. The convention will be held at the Ramada Plaza Hotel. We will > have a student track separate from the general session during the afternoon. > > Interested students should contact Justin Salisbury at > justin.salisbury at earthlink.net and make plans today to attend our state > convention! > > > > North Carolina > > > > The North Carolina Association of Blind Students is excited to be having its > second annual student track at the 2012 National Federation of the Blind of > North Carolina State Convention. Our state convention will run from > Thursday, September 06, to Sunday, September 09, at Camp Dogwood in Sherrils > Ford, NC. Our student track will run from 2:00 pm to 5:00 pm on Saturday, > September 08. The first 2.5 hours will feature a GPS technology > demonstration, gender group breakout discussions, a para-transit > presentation, a disability rights discussion, and an Apple product showcase. > We will conclude with our annual business meeting. > > We are most grateful to our state affiliate for allowing a generously > discounted, all-inclusive student rate of $50, which covers lodging, meals, > registration, and banquet. > > We hope to continue our tradition of great success with our snack pack > fundraiser. > > We welcome students from across the nation to join us for a great time! > > Visit www.ncabs.org for more information. > > > > No Meeting Minutes > > > > The NABS board did not hold a meeting in the month of July. The next meeting > is scheduled for August 19, and minutes from that meeting will be > distributed with the NABS Notes for August. As always, please do not > hesitate to contact me with any questions, concerns or suggestions. The NABS > Board works for you, and we want to know how we’re doing! Thanks for > reading, and we’ll be back in July. > > > > Sean Whalen > > President, National Association of Blind Students > > (608) 332-4147 > > Nabs.president at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > Sean Whalen > > President, National Association of Blind Students > > (608) 332-4147 > > Nabs.president at gmail.com > > www.nabslink.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Aug 10 02:01:18 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 22:01:18 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Ah HA! I found the cooperate! In-Reply-To: <000001cd7693$6794af80$36be0e80$@com> References: <000501cd764b$71eee9c0$55ccbd40$@com> <7320648D-419D-4831-BA15-2AE5558A4413@gmail.com> <000001cd7693$6794af80$36be0e80$@com> Message-ID: <000801cd769c$088bfc60$19a3f520$@gmail.com> Hi Alan, I see. Very frustrating! I know how you feel, as I've tried to use Narrator in Internet Explorer, and frankly, it sucked! Anyway, who did you talk to at the national center? I only ask because I know a lot of people down there and could probably help you get in touch with the right people. Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chun Chao Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 9:00 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Ah HA! I found the cooperate! I could not find their contact because I could not navigate their website at all. It was as if I was using the arrow keys with Microsoft Narrator on Internet Explorer. Even tabbing around the website and using the JAWS and NVDA hot keys proved futile. That was why I reported it to the National Center where they would have the resource to notify Lowes regarding the issue. C.C. Alan -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 3:14 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Ah HA! I found the culperate! Did you report the issue to Loes? Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPod On Aug 9, 2012, at 12:24 PM, "Chun Chao" wrote: > Dear Joshua: > > During shopping season of last year between Thanksgiving and Christmas > when I was looking for laundry appliances because mine had worn out, I > came across an inaccessible website with one of the larger home > improvement companies as well Namely, it was www.lowes.com and I > reported the issue to the National Center to have the issue looked > into. > I have not revisited the website since the incident and as a result > Lowes lost me as a potential customer. > Thought I share the experience of running into an inaccessible website. > > Regards, > C.C. Alan > Northern Nevada NFB > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 6:40 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Ah HA! I found the culperate! > > I asked about Flash Websites, and why Jaws couldn't read them, in an > earlier thread! > Well: I've found the main culperate in inaccessible Websites! > www.wix.com > Wix has made all of their Websites, including this one, inaccessible > with screenreaders! > http://www.bibleway.ca > The site that I used in the earlier thread, www.altitudeworship.com is > also powered by Wix! > We need to do something about this! > You may think this is off topic for the list, because these two sites > are for churches, but I know of some colleges, that use this same > company, to make their Websites inaccessible. > Blessings, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zerone1683%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40g > mail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zerone1683%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From zerone1683 at gmail.com Fri Aug 10 06:02:00 2012 From: zerone1683 at gmail.com (Chun Chao) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 23:02:00 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Ah HA! I found the cooperate! In-Reply-To: <000801cd769c$088bfc60$19a3f520$@gmail.com> References: <000501cd764b$71eee9c0$55ccbd40$@com> <7320648D-419D-4831-BA15-2AE5558A4413@gmail.com> <000001cd7693$6794af80$36be0e80$@com> <000801cd769c$088bfc60$19a3f520$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001cd76bd$a8eeef20$facccd60$@com> Hello Chris: I do not remember by now since the report was made in November of 2011. >From what I can recall is that the National Center told me a "work ticket" was initiated to contact and notify Lowes regarding the inaccessibility of their website. The way I see it is that once I find retailer(s) who is (are) willing to cooperate with me as a client then I will pretty much stick with that (or those) retailer(s) unless the retailer(s) either close shop or show signs of faltering service. Often times, I research products that I am looking for ahead of time so that when I visit the stores I can be straight forward with finding that product and witness it in its physical form. I find it that store personnel are easy to cooperate with once I have "done my shopping homework", figuratively speaking, which usually leads to a very informational conversation with the store personnel; not to impress them by any means but rather to see if a clientele relationship can be established or not with the store in spite of my blindness. It does not always work, however, with every place that I go to, but the more places that I have a clientele relationship with the more options I have in case things do not work out. C.C. Alan -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 7:01 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Ah HA! I found the cooperate! Hi Alan, I see. Very frustrating! I know how you feel, as I've tried to use Narrator in Internet Explorer, and frankly, it sucked! Anyway, who did you talk to at the national center? I only ask because I know a lot of people down there and could probably help you get in touch with the right people. Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chun Chao Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 9:00 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Ah HA! I found the cooperate! I could not find their contact because I could not navigate their website at all. It was as if I was using the arrow keys with Microsoft Narrator on Internet Explorer. Even tabbing around the website and using the JAWS and NVDA hot keys proved futile. That was why I reported it to the National Center where they would have the resource to notify Lowes regarding the issue. C.C. Alan -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 3:14 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Ah HA! I found the culperate! Did you report the issue to Loes? Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPod On Aug 9, 2012, at 12:24 PM, "Chun Chao" wrote: > Dear Joshua: > > During shopping season of last year between Thanksgiving and Christmas > when I was looking for laundry appliances because mine had worn out, I > came across an inaccessible website with one of the larger home > improvement companies as well Namely, it was www.lowes.com and I > reported the issue to the National Center to have the issue looked > into. > I have not revisited the website since the incident and as a result > Lowes lost me as a potential customer. > Thought I share the experience of running into an inaccessible website. > > Regards, > C.C. Alan > Northern Nevada NFB > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 6:40 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Ah HA! I found the culperate! > > I asked about Flash Websites, and why Jaws couldn't read them, in an > earlier thread! > Well: I've found the main culperate in inaccessible Websites! > www.wix.com > Wix has made all of their Websites, including this one, inaccessible > with screenreaders! > http://www.bibleway.ca > The site that I used in the earlier thread, www.altitudeworship.com is > also powered by Wix! > We need to do something about this! > You may think this is off topic for the list, because these two sites > are for churches, but I know of some colleges, that use this same > company, to make their Websites inaccessible. > Blessings, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zerone1683%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40g > mail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zerone1683%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zerone1683%40gmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Fri Aug 10 06:51:35 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 01:51:35 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Ah HA! I found the culperate! In-Reply-To: <1471C68E-086E-4A28-AED0-AB41E49223D2@gmail.com> References: <1471C68E-086E-4A28-AED0-AB41E49223D2@gmail.com> Message-ID: Why do Web design companies do this, though? I also don't understand why certain Websites won't work with IE8, but they'll work with Firefox. Speaking of IE8, I'm about to start a thread on my problems upgrading to IE9. Thanks, Joshua On 8/9/12, Greg Aikens wrote: > Ok Joshua, this line really made me giggle: > > "but I know of some colleges, that use this same > company, to make their Websites inaccessible" > > As others have pointed out, I doubt colleges and companies hire this web > designer with the express purpose of making their websites inaccessible. > > And I think if you're looking for a main culprit as to why flash material is > inaccessible, you should look to the designers of flash, your web browser > and your screen reader as well. Sorry you have had a hard time accessing > these sites though. I know that is an extremely frustrating experience. > > -Greg > On Aug 9, 2012, at 8:40 AM, Joshua Lester > wrote: > >> but I know of some colleges, that use this same >> company, to make their Websites inaccessible > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Fri Aug 10 06:54:16 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 01:54:16 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Internet Explorer problems Message-ID: Every time I try to upgrade to IE9, I get this message that the service pack has not been installed. What's a service pack? Does that mean, that it won't let me upgrade, until I get Windows 7? Thanks, Joshua From trillian551 at gmail.com Fri Aug 10 11:04:18 2012 From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 07:04:18 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting In-Reply-To: References: <46F7896E7B4D4E5499A195CEC5CBACBE@Gloria> <032b01cd742e$95f1ecb0$c1d5c610$@gmail.com> <943949334A0D45B082C2B14DD2703CA1@Gloria> <003001cd7431$f593b510$e0bb1f30$@gmail.com> <31513C28028148D1AAE62DC957F1BBC8@Gloria> <0CD15F79C99B43468A11D866055E71A3@Gloria> <0D19AAEBB7C843DA9161953E67872631@acerd37f251f21> <9904B75A033049CA85A9FBD3380033D6@Gloria> <000c01cd743a$9a46aa60$ced3ff20$@gmail.com> <93E41118-0A40-4D53-9E17-C74277FDAC4F@gmail.com> <1A698C134F9A4EA99DE8CB418FF6C8BC@OwnerPC> <5A29FB4E-E28C-444A-86F8-DFCD79463836@gmail.com> <25BDF914932A465C9409353B534784FA@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hi Gloria and all, I am sorry I am late posting to this thread, but it is so incredibly important that I want to add some more thoughts. First, Gloria everyone has written that you should not be discouraged. And I can't emphasize that enough; job hunting for everyone, as we all know is just so incredibly discouraging in this economy. In my experience, I knew this fact on an intellectual level, but it wasn't until February however, when I started looking for a job in earnest that I realized just how difficult, frustrating and depressing it is to find a job. It took me five months to find a job, and I am one of the lucky ones, since I only graduated in May. So, yes it's hard. Which ironically makes it all the more important for us to get work experience while still in college. Thus, I would just like to add a few thoughts here. I graduated with a BA in psychology and music. Originally, I wanted to go into a PHD program in psychology, until I realized that there are few things I like less than doing psychological research. However, during my time in college I was fortunate enough to have internships during the summer. One of them was working for the Atlanta Harm Reduction Center or AHRC. AHRC is a combination of a day shelter and service provider for marginalized communities, i.e. homeless individuals, severe drug users, etc. So, yes, as a totally blind person you can do the job! I think part of why I was successful in attaining the position was that I emphasized how passionate I felt about the job and AHRC's mission. I know that seems pretty self-evident, but seriously, if a certain organization simply lights you up from the inside, let it be known! Furthermore, many people don't realize that when you are homeless, shunned from society, sometimes it is easier to identify with people who are similarly viewed by society. In other words, as blind people we know that many sighted individuals judge us instantly because we are using a cane. Their judgment calls range from, "oh, they must have all other kinds of sensory trouble"; to "that poor blind person, how can they possibly do anything". Please, don't get me wrong, I know that this is not the view of all sighted individuals, but I think most people in this list know exactly what I am talking about. And sadly, this is how many people view homeless individuals, except that it is a hundred times worse. We are judgmental creatures, and the more and more we are exposed to homelessness the more desensitized we become to it. Thus, society often blames the homeless for falling into that situation. They don't see the person they just see a homeless person, a representative of a greater group that is branded with negative characteristics. All of this is to say that many homeless individuals, youths at risk, etc. actually find it, at least in my personal experience, easier to identify with people who have disabilities and who are trying to work with them. You will always have to gain their respect, people who have lived in the streets aren't an easy crowd, but if you do, you can get a lot of good things done. When you are interviewing with closed minded individuals, never ever shy away from the fact that you are blind. If I am sensing that an interviewer is uncomfortable, I will say something like "So, I am blind. And I'm sure you have many many questions on how I can do the job and be an asset to you. So feel free to ask." Throughout the interview I often emphasize the fact that that being blind has forced me to think outside the box and use alternative methods to accomplish my goals. Which in life often translates to being able to see alternative solutions to other problems, just because I have been forced to think sideways instead of just forward and backwards. Aside from these philosophy type thoughts, I would also recommend that you look into programs sponsored by your college to work for the types of places you want to. Even if there aren't official programs, professors and faculty often have affiliations with community based organizations for at risk youth etc. Furthermore, make sure you have an excellent resume! Contact your career center and see how they can help you. And don't give up! You will have many many doors shut on you, but one day one of them will stay open. Promise. Sincerely, Mary On 8/8/12, Greg Aikens wrote: > Gloria, > It does sound like you are handling things well. I would only add a couple > of things to the advice already given. > > First, be sure to emphasize any experience you do have in the area. You > talked about explaining how you would do something (future tense) but > hearing you explain how you have already done something would be more > powerful to a potential employer. > > Second, if you can find a way to portray your blindness as a strength > instead of a disadvantage, liability, etc., it could really turn things > around for you in an interview. For example, I have been applying for jobs > as a teacher of students who are blind and visually impaired and have been > able to use my experiences as a blind student as a selling point in my > interviews. I realize that not every position lends itself as easily to > this kind of thing, but if you can draw from unique personal experiences you > have had related to being blind that have shaped your approach to your field > of study, it could be a powerful tool for changing perceptions. > > I hope this helps and I wish you the best of luck. Try not to be > discouraged. Your blindness does not impact your ability to work with > youth. > > -Greg > > On Aug 7, 2012, at 6:25 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > >> Yes, I believe you can configure JAWS to automatically start up when >> you boot the PC, even if it is in demo mode, and you can shut it down >> and restart independently as long as the 40-minute demo period hasn't >> expired. In my experience the need to restart was a nuisance but >> didn't affect my productivity on the job much. >> Arielle >> >> On 8/7/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> Hi, >>> I want to use the demo mode for a volunteer position. However, will I be >>> able to restart the computer independently? If I restart before jaws >>> runs >>> out of demo mode, will it come on in demo mode and run automatically? I >>> would need to log in and tab to okay to get into the system. >>> I would rather have jaws speak this to me, but I suppose I could memorize >>> it >>> >>> if needed and click on jaws on the desktop when the pc is booted. >>> I thought about getting a jaws key from FS but unless my time expands >>> there, >>> >>> I may not want to use limited authorization keys on their pc. >>> >>> Yep, good question, can you run demo mode for an extended time on one >>> pc? >>> >>> Ashley >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Arielle Silverman >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 6:45 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>> >>> I think it depends on the job; I have had a few different summer jobs >>> and internships where a Braille notetaker was not required, just >>> access to a PC. Braille displays are important devices and they >>> definitely assist with certain types of work, but there are plenty of >>> jobs we can do with merely a computer with speech output. >>> Also, when I was in high school I worked two different summer >>> internships using JAWS in demo mode, which meant neither my employer >>> nor I had to pay a dime. I'm not sure if this is an option anymore or >>> if JAWS only allows demo mode for a few days, but if it is an option >>> to run JAWS in demo mode for a month or two, it may be a viable >>> option. >>> I would just add that in this economy it is tough for everyone, not >>> just blind folks, to find work. I know at least a few sighted people >>> who have spent months or even years looking for work, so if you're not >>> hired, it may not be due to blindness. Gloria, if you'd be willing to >>> share some of the specific issues your potential employers raised >>> about how you would do the work, I might have some suggestions for >>> ways to get around any barriers although it sounds like you are going >>> about things the right way. What kinds of activities are you hoping to >>> do with the at-risk youth and what specific things are the employers >>> worried about? >>> Arielle >>> >>> On 8/7/12, Aleeha Dudley wrote: >>>> Strange. My vr got my apex bt32 for me with no complaints. >>>> >>>> Aleeha Dudley >>>> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students >>>> Changing what it means to be blind >>>> >>>> On Aug 7, 2012, at 5:08 PM, Joshua Lester >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I talked to HumanWare about the Braille Note Apex. >>>>> They said, since Rehab wouldn't buy anything over $6000, that if you >>>>> bought a Braille Note Apex, with an 18 cell display, for $4000, you >>>>> could then upgrade to a 32 cell, for $1600. >>>>> That's Rehab's job. >>>>> They should help you, if you're either in school, or working. >>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>> >>>>> On 8/7/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>>>> Joshua, >>>>>> Most people need more than jaws on the job; a braille display and a >>>>>> notetaker are often needed. >>>>>> When you look for work, you will find how expensive technology is and >>>>>> that >>>>>> your employer is hesitant to hire you and buy it when they can hire >>>>>> sighted >>>>>> >>>>>> people with no accomodation purchases. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 9:43 AM >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, Hope. >>>>>> What assistive technology would you need, that would be expensive? >>>>>> Who needs Jaws, when there's NVDA, which is free? >>>>>> Just a suggestion. >>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>> >>>>>> On 8/7/12, Hope Paulos wrote: >>>>>>> Hi there. I received my degree in secondary education with >>>>>>> concentration >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> Spanish and another in modern languages focusing in Spanish and >>>>>>> German. >>>>>>> I've >>>>>>> decided though, that I do not want to teach. I would rather be a >>>>>>> vocational >>>>>>> rehabilitation counselor. I know that if I work at my state agency, >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> can >>>>>>> receive funding assistance with the grant provided by our essay. I'm >>>>>>> hoping >>>>>>> to go that route and obtain my masters degree. Unfortunately, public >>>>>>> schools >>>>>>> are also places of discrimination. It is very unlikely that they >>>>>>> would >>>>>>> hire >>>>>>> totally blind individual to teach a high school Spanish class >>>>>>> without >>>>>>> concerns. They would need to hire an Ed Tech and also there are some >>>>>>> specific assistive to technology that I would need that is very >>>>>>> expensive. >>>>>>> For example, Braille display, et cetera. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Aug 6, 2012, at 10:19 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hope, >>>>>>>> Are you working? If not, what is your area of study? I thought you >>>>>>>> were >>>>>>>> studying to be a Spanish teacher or something. >>>>>>>> I saw you on the nobe list, so I know you want to teach. >>>>>>>> Its too bad they did what they did to you. Discrimination is live >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> well >>>>>>>> around here. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Hope Paulos >>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 9:18 PM >>>>>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I couldn't agree more. Well said!!! There was an instance where I >>>>>>>> had >>>>>>>> applied for an interpreter work-at-home position and I had the >>>>>>>> skills >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> passed the language part of the interview with flying colors. As >>>>>>>> soon >>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> mentioned I was blind I was told that I couldn't use a computer to >>>>>>>> take >>>>>>>> notes, but sighted people could use pencils. I was told I wouldn't >>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>> fit because I had to take breaks to take my dog outside. It was >>>>>>>> blatent >>>>>>>> discrimination. Needless to say I filed a complaint with department >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> justice and they got called out. I don't think they'll be doing >>>>>>>> anything >>>>>>>> like that again. Just keep advocating!! >>>>>>>> Hope >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] >>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>> Behalf >>>>>>>> Of Gloria G >>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 9:05 PM >>>>>>>> To: Misty Dawn Bradley; National Association of Blind Students >>>>>>>> mailing >>>>>>>> list >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> What I find interesting is the organizations that provide services >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> persons with disabilities and tell the clients they can do whatever >>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>> put >>>>>>>> their minds to as long as they work hard and advicate for >>>>>>>> themselves, >>>>>>>> turn >>>>>>>> away a blind person because they feel we are unable to complete >>>>>>>> tasks. >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: "Misty Dawn Bradley" >>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:49 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>> I also ran into the same issue when applying for a full-time >>>>>>>>> position >>>>>>>>> with AmeriCorps. The people conducting the interview kept >>>>>>>>> emphasizing >>>>>>>>> the paperwork, and I tried to explain that there are ways that I >>>>>>>>> could >>>>>>>>> do the paperwork, but I still did not get the position. It >>>>>>>>> surprised >>>>>>>>> me, because I worked in that same office and turned in all reports >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> paperwork on time, although I had a different supervisor and it >>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> different program. I think part of it was that I did not have >>>>>>>>> experience in the area of the position, but I also think part of >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> was the paperwork, because that point was emphasized indirectly >>>>>>>>> during >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> interview. >>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>> Misty >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>> From: "Gloria G" >>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:41 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>> I am not offended or anything by the questions that are asked. I >>>>>>>>>> am >>>>>>>>>> just upset that I am not given a chance. It is almost as if the >>>>>>>>>> employer has decided what I can and can not do the minute I walk >>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>> the door with my cane. >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>> From: "David Dodge" >>>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:36 PM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Gloria, >>>>>>>>>>> It definitely sounds like you are going about things the right >>>>>>>>>>> way. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I would try not to get discouraged or be concerned by the >>>>>>>>>>> questions >>>>>>>>>>> the interviewer is asking. It is definitely not a bad thing for >>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>> blind person to help a sighted person better understand how the >>>>>>>>>>> employment would work. >>>>>>>>>>> Think of it as an opportunity for you to advocate and teach the >>>>>>>>>>> potential employer something. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The best that can be done is what you are doing - honestly >>>>>>>>>>> answering >>>>>>>>>>> questions and explaining things. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> David >>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>>> David Dodge >>>>>>>>>>> Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson English >>>>>>>>>>> Major >>>>>>>>>>> University at Buffalo >>>>>>>>>>> 306 Clemens Hall >>>>>>>>>>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>>>>>>>>>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Gloria G >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Hope, >>>>>>>>>>>> Did you go to get your masters in rehab counseling? I have also >>>>>>>>>>>> thought of getting a masters in rehab counseling. >>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" < >>>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:16 PM >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> No. I'm currently hunting for a job as well. I just answered >>>>>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>>>>> as you >>>>>>>>>>>>> do, >>>>>>>>>>>>> explaining how I would do certain things and giving examples. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>> applied for a vocational rehabilitation counselor I. position >>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>> I would be working with individuals with disabilities as well >>>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>>> mental health diagnoses. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing offends me so they can ask any question they want >>>>>>>>>>>>> regarding my blindness. It's just a matter of overcoming the >>>>>>>>>>>>> stereotypes put on us by people who don't know what we really >>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>> do. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org] >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Behalf >>>>>>>>>>>>> Of Gloria G >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:13 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Hope, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you currently work? If so how did you get around those >>>>>>>>>>>>> questions? >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 6:52 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Gloria. I think you're taking the right approach. I always >>>>>>>>>>>>> disclose my >>>>>>>>>>>>>> blindness (it's hard for them not to see that I'm blind >>>>>>>>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of my guide dog). I'd just continue to advocate for yourself >>>>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>>>> far as working with at risk youth. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hope >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of Gloria G >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:24 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was wondering how do you handle interviews when the talk of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> blindness comes up? I have had some interviews and in some >>>>>>>>>>>>>> cases >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the interviewer does not bring up my blindness, but I know it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> something that is very noticable as soon as I walk in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> door. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> try to remain calm and answer the questions that pertain to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> position I am applying for and I discuss how I would handle >>>>>>>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>>>>> tasks despite my blindness. There are those interviewers who >>>>>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>>>>> come right out and ask how I am going to complete the task >>>>>>>>>>>>>> required of me as a blind person. I answer and give examples >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> how I would complete the tasks. I guess I should have started >>>>>>>>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>>>>>>> by saying I am a psychology and sociology double major and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to work with at risk youth as a counselor. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because I do not yet have my degree I am trying to gain as >>>>>>>>>>>>>> much >>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience as possible because this is what future employers >>>>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>>>> be looking for, but the problem I run into is there are many >>>>>>>>>>>>>> organizations that work with at risk youth in the town I live >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but there is always the question of how I am going to work >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the youth as a blind person. I have also thought of doing any >>>>>>>>>>>>>> work that envolved providing services to youth, women, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> families >>>>>>>>>>>>>> such as, homeless shelters and things of that nature. I am >>>>>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>>>>> feeling defeated at this point, because every door I have >>>>>>>>>>>>>> opened >>>>>>>>>>>>>> has closed shut in my face, and it only seems to be due to me >>>>>>>>>>>>>> being blind. 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nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com > -- Mary Fernandez Emory 2012 "A pioneer is not someone who makes her own soap. She is one who takes up her burdens and walks toward the future." -- Laurel Thatcher Ulrich From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Fri Aug 10 12:50:38 2012 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail CMT) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 09:50:38 -0300 Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting In-Reply-To: References: <46F7896E7B4D4E5499A195CEC5CBACBE@Gloria><032b01cd742e$95f1ecb0$c1d5c610$@gmail.com><943949334A0D45B082C2B14DD2703CA1@Gloria><003001cd7431$f593b510$e0bb1f30$@gmail.com><31513C28028148D1AAE62DC957F1BBC8@Gloria><0CD15F79C99B43468A11D866055E71A3@Gloria><0D19AAEBB7C843DA9161953E67872631@acerd37f251f21><9904B75A033049CA85A9FBD3380033D6@Gloria><000c01cd743a$9a46aa60$ced3ff20$@gmail.com><93E41118-0A40-4D53-9E17-C74277FDAC4F@gmail.com><1A698C134F9A4EA99DE8CB418FF6C8BC@OwnerPC><5A29FB4E-E28C-444A-86F8-DFCD79463836@gmail.com><25BDF914932A465C9409353B534784FA@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <5DE80636A5F44503837B3CB24BE7A0AE@userPC> I also wanted to add something as well. When I graduated from massage school in 2010 I graduated in July but didn't find a job until October four months later. I will have been at the salon for 2 years this October. I also showed how much I was interested in working at the salon as a massage therapist and I was hyered. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mary Fernandez Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 8:04 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting Hi Gloria and all, I am sorry I am late posting to this thread, but it is so incredibly important that I want to add some more thoughts. You have to try to stay positive and keep looking. I know that is hard but also see if you can find a few friends who can let you know when they come across something in your field and go for it! Rania, First, Gloria everyone has written that you should not be discouraged. And I can't emphasize that enough; job hunting for everyone, as we all know is just so incredibly discouraging in this economy. In my experience, I knew this fact on an intellectual level, but it wasn't until February however, when I started looking for a job in earnest that I realized just how difficult, frustrating and depressing it is to find a job. It took me five months to find a job, and I am one of the lucky ones, since I only graduated in May. So, yes it's hard. Which ironically makes it all the more important for us to get work experience while still in college. Thus, I would just like to add a few thoughts here. I graduated with a BA in psychology and music. Originally, I wanted to go into a PHD program in psychology, until I realized that there are few things I like less than doing psychological research. However, during my time in college I was fortunate enough to have internships during the summer. One of them was working for the Atlanta Harm Reduction Center or AHRC. AHRC is a combination of a day shelter and service provider for marginalized communities, i.e. homeless individuals, severe drug users, etc. So, yes, as a totally blind person you can do the job! I think part of why I was successful in attaining the position was that I emphasized how passionate I felt about the job and AHRC's mission. I know that seems pretty self-evident, but seriously, if a certain organization simply lights you up from the inside, let it be known! Furthermore, many people don't realize that when you are homeless, shunned from society, sometimes it is easier to identify with people who are similarly viewed by society. In other words, as blind people we know that many sighted individuals judge us instantly because we are using a cane. Their judgment calls range from, "oh, they must have all other kinds of sensory trouble"; to "that poor blind person, how can they possibly do anything". Please, don't get me wrong, I know that this is not the view of all sighted individuals, but I think most people in this list know exactly what I am talking about. And sadly, this is how many people view homeless individuals, except that it is a hundred times worse. We are judgmental creatures, and the more and more we are exposed to homelessness the more desensitized we become to it. Thus, society often blames the homeless for falling into that situation. They don't see the person they just see a homeless person, a representative of a greater group that is branded with negative characteristics. All of this is to say that many homeless individuals, youths at risk, etc. actually find it, at least in my personal experience, easier to identify with people who have disabilities and who are trying to work with them. You will always have to gain their respect, people who have lived in the streets aren't an easy crowd, but if you do, you can get a lot of good things done. When you are interviewing with closed minded individuals, never ever shy away from the fact that you are blind. If I am sensing that an interviewer is uncomfortable, I will say something like "So, I am blind. And I'm sure you have many many questions on how I can do the job and be an asset to you. So feel free to ask." Throughout the interview I often emphasize the fact that that being blind has forced me to think outside the box and use alternative methods to accomplish my goals. Which in life often translates to being able to see alternative solutions to other problems, just because I have been forced to think sideways instead of just forward and backwards. Aside from these philosophy type thoughts, I would also recommend that you look into programs sponsored by your college to work for the types of places you want to. Even if there aren't official programs, professors and faculty often have affiliations with community based organizations for at risk youth etc. Furthermore, make sure you have an excellent resume! Contact your career center and see how they can help you. And don't give up! You will have many many doors shut on you, but one day one of them will stay open. Promise. Sincerely, Mary On 8/8/12, Greg Aikens wrote: > Gloria, > It does sound like you are handling things well. I would only add a couple > of things to the advice already given. > > First, be sure to emphasize any experience you do have in the area. You > talked about explaining how you would do something (future tense) but > hearing you explain how you have already done something would be more > powerful to a potential employer. > > Second, if you can find a way to portray your blindness as a strength > instead of a disadvantage, liability, etc., it could really turn things > around for you in an interview. For example, I have been applying for jobs > as a teacher of students who are blind and visually impaired and have been > able to use my experiences as a blind student as a selling point in my > interviews. I realize that not every position lends itself as easily to > this kind of thing, but if you can draw from unique personal experiences you > have had related to being blind that have shaped your approach to your field > of study, it could be a powerful tool for changing perceptions. > > I hope this helps and I wish you the best of luck. Try not to be > discouraged. Your blindness does not impact your ability to work with > youth. > > -Greg > > On Aug 7, 2012, at 6:25 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > >> Yes, I believe you can configure JAWS to automatically start up when >> you boot the PC, even if it is in demo mode, and you can shut it down >> and restart independently as long as the 40-minute demo period hasn't >> expired. In my experience the need to restart was a nuisance but >> didn't affect my productivity on the job much. >> Arielle >> >> On 8/7/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> Hi, >>> I want to use the demo mode for a volunteer position. However, will I be >>> able to restart the computer independently? If I restart before jaws >>> runs >>> out of demo mode, will it come on in demo mode and run automatically? I >>> would need to log in and tab to okay to get into the system. >>> I would rather have jaws speak this to me, but I suppose I could memorize >>> it >>> >>> if needed and click on jaws on the desktop when the pc is booted. >>> I thought about getting a jaws key from FS but unless my time expands >>> there, >>> >>> I may not want to use limited authorization keys on their pc. >>> >>> Yep, good question, can you run demo mode for an extended time on one >>> pc? >>> >>> Ashley >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Arielle Silverman >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 6:45 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>> >>> I think it depends on the job; I have had a few different summer jobs >>> and internships where a Braille notetaker was not required, just >>> access to a PC. Braille displays are important devices and they >>> definitely assist with certain types of work, but there are plenty of >>> jobs we can do with merely a computer with speech output. >>> Also, when I was in high school I worked two different summer >>> internships using JAWS in demo mode, which meant neither my employer >>> nor I had to pay a dime. I'm not sure if this is an option anymore or >>> if JAWS only allows demo mode for a few days, but if it is an option >>> to run JAWS in demo mode for a month or two, it may be a viable >>> option. >>> I would just add that in this economy it is tough for everyone, not >>> just blind folks, to find work. I know at least a few sighted people >>> who have spent months or even years looking for work, so if you're not >>> hired, it may not be due to blindness. Gloria, if you'd be willing to >>> share some of the specific issues your potential employers raised >>> about how you would do the work, I might have some suggestions for >>> ways to get around any barriers although it sounds like you are going >>> about things the right way. What kinds of activities are you hoping to >>> do with the at-risk youth and what specific things are the employers >>> worried about? >>> Arielle >>> >>> On 8/7/12, Aleeha Dudley wrote: >>>> Strange. My vr got my apex bt32 for me with no complaints. >>>> >>>> Aleeha Dudley >>>> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students >>>> Changing what it means to be blind >>>> >>>> On Aug 7, 2012, at 5:08 PM, Joshua Lester >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I talked to HumanWare about the Braille Note Apex. >>>>> They said, since Rehab wouldn't buy anything over $6000, that if you >>>>> bought a Braille Note Apex, with an 18 cell display, for $4000, you >>>>> could then upgrade to a 32 cell, for $1600. >>>>> That's Rehab's job. >>>>> They should help you, if you're either in school, or working. >>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>> >>>>> On 8/7/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>>>> Joshua, >>>>>> Most people need more than jaws on the job; a braille display and a >>>>>> notetaker are often needed. >>>>>> When you look for work, you will find how expensive technology is and >>>>>> that >>>>>> your employer is hesitant to hire you and buy it when they can hire >>>>>> sighted >>>>>> >>>>>> people with no accomodation purchases. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 9:43 AM >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, Hope. >>>>>> What assistive technology would you need, that would be expensive? >>>>>> Who needs Jaws, when there's NVDA, which is free? >>>>>> Just a suggestion. >>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>> >>>>>> On 8/7/12, Hope Paulos wrote: >>>>>>> Hi there. I received my degree in secondary education with >>>>>>> concentration >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> Spanish and another in modern languages focusing in Spanish and >>>>>>> German. >>>>>>> I've >>>>>>> decided though, that I do not want to teach. I would rather be a >>>>>>> vocational >>>>>>> rehabilitation counselor. I know that if I work at my state agency, >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> can >>>>>>> receive funding assistance with the grant provided by our essay. I'm >>>>>>> hoping >>>>>>> to go that route and obtain my masters degree. Unfortunately, public >>>>>>> schools >>>>>>> are also places of discrimination. It is very unlikely that they >>>>>>> would >>>>>>> hire >>>>>>> totally blind individual to teach a high school Spanish class >>>>>>> without >>>>>>> concerns. They would need to hire an Ed Tech and also there are some >>>>>>> specific assistive to technology that I would need that is very >>>>>>> expensive. >>>>>>> For example, Braille display, et cetera. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Aug 6, 2012, at 10:19 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hope, >>>>>>>> Are you working? If not, what is your area of study? I thought you >>>>>>>> were >>>>>>>> studying to be a Spanish teacher or something. >>>>>>>> I saw you on the nobe list, so I know you want to teach. >>>>>>>> Its too bad they did what they did to you. Discrimination is live >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> well >>>>>>>> around here. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Hope Paulos >>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 9:18 PM >>>>>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I couldn't agree more. Well said!!! There was an instance where I >>>>>>>> had >>>>>>>> applied for an interpreter work-at-home position and I had the >>>>>>>> skills >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> passed the language part of the interview with flying colors. As >>>>>>>> soon >>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> mentioned I was blind I was told that I couldn't use a computer to >>>>>>>> take >>>>>>>> notes, but sighted people could use pencils. I was told I wouldn't >>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>> fit because I had to take breaks to take my dog outside. It was >>>>>>>> blatent >>>>>>>> discrimination. Needless to say I filed a complaint with department >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> justice and they got called out. I don't think they'll be doing >>>>>>>> anything >>>>>>>> like that again. Just keep advocating!! >>>>>>>> Hope >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] >>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>> Behalf >>>>>>>> Of Gloria G >>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 9:05 PM >>>>>>>> To: Misty Dawn Bradley; National Association of Blind Students >>>>>>>> mailing >>>>>>>> list >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> What I find interesting is the organizations that provide services >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> persons with disabilities and tell the clients they can do whatever >>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>> put >>>>>>>> their minds to as long as they work hard and advicate for >>>>>>>> themselves, >>>>>>>> turn >>>>>>>> away a blind person because they feel we are unable to complete >>>>>>>> tasks. >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: "Misty Dawn Bradley" >>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:49 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>> I also ran into the same issue when applying for a full-time >>>>>>>>> position >>>>>>>>> with AmeriCorps. The people conducting the interview kept >>>>>>>>> emphasizing >>>>>>>>> the paperwork, and I tried to explain that there are ways that I >>>>>>>>> could >>>>>>>>> do the paperwork, but I still did not get the position. It >>>>>>>>> surprised >>>>>>>>> me, because I worked in that same office and turned in all reports >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> paperwork on time, although I had a different supervisor and it >>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> different program. I think part of it was that I did not have >>>>>>>>> experience in the area of the position, but I also think part of >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> was the paperwork, because that point was emphasized indirectly >>>>>>>>> during >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> interview. >>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>> Misty >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>> From: "Gloria G" >>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:41 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>> I am not offended or anything by the questions that are asked. I >>>>>>>>>> am >>>>>>>>>> just upset that I am not given a chance. It is almost as if the >>>>>>>>>> employer has decided what I can and can not do the minute I walk >>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>> the door with my cane. >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>> From: "David Dodge" >>>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:36 PM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Gloria, >>>>>>>>>>> It definitely sounds like you are going about things the right >>>>>>>>>>> way. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I would try not to get discouraged or be concerned by the >>>>>>>>>>> questions >>>>>>>>>>> the interviewer is asking. It is definitely not a bad thing for >>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>> blind person to help a sighted person better understand how the >>>>>>>>>>> employment would work. >>>>>>>>>>> Think of it as an opportunity for you to advocate and teach the >>>>>>>>>>> potential employer something. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The best that can be done is what you are doing - honestly >>>>>>>>>>> answering >>>>>>>>>>> questions and explaining things. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> David >>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>>> David Dodge >>>>>>>>>>> Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson English >>>>>>>>>>> Major >>>>>>>>>>> University at Buffalo >>>>>>>>>>> 306 Clemens Hall >>>>>>>>>>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>>>>>>>>>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Gloria G >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Hope, >>>>>>>>>>>> Did you go to get your masters in rehab counseling? I have also >>>>>>>>>>>> thought of getting a masters in rehab counseling. >>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" < >>>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:16 PM >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> No. I'm currently hunting for a job as well. I just answered >>>>>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>>>>> as you >>>>>>>>>>>>> do, >>>>>>>>>>>>> explaining how I would do certain things and giving examples. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>> applied for a vocational rehabilitation counselor I. position >>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>> I would be working with individuals with disabilities as well >>>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>>> mental health diagnoses. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing offends me so they can ask any question they want >>>>>>>>>>>>> regarding my blindness. It's just a matter of overcoming the >>>>>>>>>>>>> stereotypes put on us by people who don't know what we really >>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>> do. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org] >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Behalf >>>>>>>>>>>>> Of Gloria G >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:13 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Hope, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you currently work? If so how did you get around those >>>>>>>>>>>>> questions? >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 6:52 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Gloria. I think you're taking the right approach. I always >>>>>>>>>>>>> disclose my >>>>>>>>>>>>>> blindness (it's hard for them not to see that I'm blind >>>>>>>>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of my guide dog). I'd just continue to advocate for yourself >>>>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>>>> far as working with at risk youth. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hope >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of Gloria G >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:24 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was wondering how do you handle interviews when the talk of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> blindness comes up? I have had some interviews and in some >>>>>>>>>>>>>> cases >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the interviewer does not bring up my blindness, but I know it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> something that is very noticable as soon as I walk in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> door. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> try to remain calm and answer the questions that pertain to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> position I am applying for and I discuss how I would handle >>>>>>>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>>>>> tasks despite my blindness. There are those interviewers who >>>>>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>>>>> come right out and ask how I am going to complete the task >>>>>>>>>>>>>> required of me as a blind person. I answer and give examples >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> how I would complete the tasks. I guess I should have started >>>>>>>>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>>>>>>> by saying I am a psychology and sociology double major and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to work with at risk youth as a counselor. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because I do not yet have my degree I am trying to gain as >>>>>>>>>>>>>> much >>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience as possible because this is what future employers >>>>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>>>> be looking for, but the problem I run into is there are many >>>>>>>>>>>>>> organizations that work with at risk youth in the town I live >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but there is always the question of how I am going to work >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the youth as a blind person. I have also thought of doing any >>>>>>>>>>>>>> work that envolved providing services to youth, women, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> families >>>>>>>>>>>>>> such as, homeless shelters and things of that nature. I am >>>>>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>>>>> feeling defeated at this point, because every door I have >>>>>>>>>>>>>> opened >>>>>>>>>>>>>> has closed shut in my face, and it only seems to be due to me >>>>>>>>>>>>>> being blind. 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>>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com > -- Mary Fernandez Emory 2012 "A pioneer is not someone who makes her own soap. She is one who takes up her burdens and walks toward the future." -- Laurel Thatcher Ulrich _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co m From steve.jacobson at visi.com Fri Aug 10 14:08:36 2012 From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 09:08:36 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Internet Explorer problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Joshua, First, there are both good and bad things about Internet Explorer 9. Are you certain you want or need to upgrade? Second, Service Packs are sort of groups of updates for Windows that you can apply all at once. Sometimes service packs also include some enhancements. The message should be telling you which service pack is required. Internet Explorer 9 won't run on Windows XP. If you have Vista, the Microsoft web site should tell you for certain what you need. Best regards, Steve Jacobson On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 01:54:16 -0500, Joshua Lester wrote: >Every time I try to upgrade to IE9, I get this message that the >service pack has not been installed. >What's a service pack? >Does that mean, that it won't let me upgrade, until I get Windows 7? >Thanks, Joshua >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Fri Aug 10 14:17:09 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 09:17:09 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Internet Explorer problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'll need to upgrade, because my tests will be in Blackboard, which won't work with IE8. I use Vista, but the Website isn't telling me anything. It just says, that the service pack isn't installed. Thanks, Joshua On 8/10/12, Steve Jacobson wrote: > Joshua, > > First, there are both good and bad things about Internet Explorer 9. Are > you certain you want or need > to upgrade? > > Second, Service Packs are sort of groups of updates for Windows that you can > apply all at once. > Sometimes service packs also include some enhancements. The message should > be telling you which service > pack is required. Internet Explorer 9 won't run on Windows XP. If you have > Vista, the Microsoft web > site should tell you for certain what you need. > > Best regards, > > Steve Jacobson > > On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 01:54:16 -0500, Joshua Lester wrote: > >>Every time I try to upgrade to IE9, I get this message that the >>service pack has not been installed. >>What's a service pack? >>Does that mean, that it won't let me upgrade, until I get Windows 7? >>Thanks, Joshua > >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com Fri Aug 10 15:41:31 2012 From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 11:41:31 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Ah HA! I found the culperate! In-Reply-To: References: <1471C68E-086E-4A28-AED0-AB41E49223D2@gmail.com> Message-ID: The answer to both of those questions is design. Website developers focus on what looks good to the consumer. They don't necessarily think about accessibility for those of us with visual impairments or blindness. That's why we need to educate them on how to make sure their website is both visually appealing and accessible. There are coding issues that make some sites break with ie8 or 9 but yet work with other browsers. Aleeha Dudley President, Ohio Association of Blind Students Changing what it means to be blind On Aug 10, 2012, at 2:51 AM, Joshua Lester wrote: > Why do Web design companies do this, though? > I also don't understand why certain Websites won't work with IE8, but > they'll work with Firefox. > Speaking of IE8, I'm about to start a thread on my problems upgrading to IE9. > Thanks, Joshua > > On 8/9/12, Greg Aikens wrote: >> Ok Joshua, this line really made me giggle: >> >> "but I know of some colleges, that use this same >> company, to make their Websites inaccessible" >> >> As others have pointed out, I doubt colleges and companies hire this web >> designer with the express purpose of making their websites inaccessible. >> >> And I think if you're looking for a main culprit as to why flash material is >> inaccessible, you should look to the designers of flash, your web browser >> and your screen reader as well. Sorry you have had a hard time accessing >> these sites though. I know that is an extremely frustrating experience. >> >> -Greg >> On Aug 9, 2012, at 8:40 AM, Joshua Lester >> wrote: >> >>> but I know of some colleges, that use this same >>> company, to make their Websites inaccessible >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Fri Aug 10 15:47:16 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 10:47:16 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Ah HA! I found the culperate! In-Reply-To: References: <1471C68E-086E-4A28-AED0-AB41E49223D2@gmail.com> Message-ID: You're right. Here's what bothers me the most. Youtube only works with Internet Explorer, but on Firefox, it causes my computer to quit working! It just freezes up! Thanks, Joshua On 8/10/12, Aleeha Dudley wrote: > The answer to both of those questions is design. Website developers focus on > what looks good to the consumer. They don't necessarily think about > accessibility for those of us with visual impairments or blindness. That's > why we need to educate them on how to make sure their website is both > visually appealing and accessible. There are coding issues that make some > sites break with ie8 or 9 but yet work with other browsers. > > Aleeha Dudley > President, Ohio Association of Blind Students > Changing what it means to be blind > > On Aug 10, 2012, at 2:51 AM, Joshua Lester > wrote: > >> Why do Web design companies do this, though? >> I also don't understand why certain Websites won't work with IE8, but >> they'll work with Firefox. >> Speaking of IE8, I'm about to start a thread on my problems upgrading to >> IE9. >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> On 8/9/12, Greg Aikens wrote: >>> Ok Joshua, this line really made me giggle: >>> >>> "but I know of some colleges, that use this same >>> company, to make their Websites inaccessible" >>> >>> As others have pointed out, I doubt colleges and companies hire this web >>> designer with the express purpose of making their websites inaccessible. >>> >>> And I think if you're looking for a main culprit as to why flash material >>> is >>> inaccessible, you should look to the designers of flash, your web >>> browser >>> and your screen reader as well. Sorry you have had a hard time >>> accessing >>> these sites though. I know that is an extremely frustrating experience. >>> >>> -Greg >>> On Aug 9, 2012, at 8:40 AM, Joshua Lester >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> but I know of some colleges, that use this same >>>> company, to make their Websites inaccessible >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Aug 10 16:29:15 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 12:29:15 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Ah HA! I found the culperate! In-Reply-To: References: <1471C68E-086E-4A28-AED0-AB41E49223D2@gmail.com> Message-ID: joshua, use IE then. I don't see why that would be a problem. -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 11:47 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Ah HA! I found the culperate! You're right. Here's what bothers me the most. Youtube only works with Internet Explorer, but on Firefox, it causes my computer to quit working! It just freezes up! Thanks, Joshua On 8/10/12, Aleeha Dudley wrote: > The answer to both of those questions is design. Website developers focus > on > what looks good to the consumer. They don't necessarily think about > accessibility for those of us with visual impairments or blindness. That's > why we need to educate them on how to make sure their website is both > visually appealing and accessible. There are coding issues that make some > sites break with ie8 or 9 but yet work with other browsers. > > Aleeha Dudley > President, Ohio Association of Blind Students > Changing what it means to be blind > > On Aug 10, 2012, at 2:51 AM, Joshua Lester > > wrote: > >> Why do Web design companies do this, though? >> I also don't understand why certain Websites won't work with IE8, but >> they'll work with Firefox. >> Speaking of IE8, I'm about to start a thread on my problems upgrading to >> IE9. >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> On 8/9/12, Greg Aikens wrote: >>> Ok Joshua, this line really made me giggle: >>> >>> "but I know of some colleges, that use this same >>> company, to make their Websites inaccessible" >>> >>> As others have pointed out, I doubt colleges and companies hire this web >>> designer with the express purpose of making their websites inaccessible. >>> >>> And I think if you're looking for a main culprit as to why flash >>> material >>> is >>> inaccessible, you should look to the designers of flash, your web >>> browser >>> and your screen reader as well. Sorry you have had a hard time >>> accessing >>> these sites though. I know that is an extremely frustrating experience. >>> >>> -Greg >>> On Aug 9, 2012, at 8:40 AM, Joshua Lester >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> but I know of some colleges, that use this same >>>> company, to make their Websites inaccessible >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Fri Aug 10 21:34:46 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 14:34:46 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Ah HA! I found the culperate! In-Reply-To: References: <1471C68E-086E-4A28-AED0-AB41E49223D2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <875ACE33-F022-454F-AEF0-C4A997B660CC@gmail.com> Really? I was thinking Sent from my iPad On Aug 10, 2012, at 8:47 AM, Joshua Lester wrote: > You're right. > Here's what bothers me the most. > Youtube only works with Internet Explorer, but on Firefox, it causes > my computer to quit working! > It just freezes up! > Thanks, Joshua > > On 8/10/12, Aleeha Dudley wrote: >> The answer to both of those questions is design. Website developers focus on >> what looks good to the consumer. They don't necessarily think about >> accessibility for those of us with visual impairments or blindness. That's >> why we need to educate them on how to make sure their website is both >> visually appealing and accessible. There are coding issues that make some >> sites break with ie8 or 9 but yet work with other browsers. >> >> Aleeha Dudley >> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students >> Changing what it means to be blind >> >> On Aug 10, 2012, at 2:51 AM, Joshua Lester >> wrote: >> >>> Why do Web design companies do this, though? >>> I also don't understand why certain Websites won't work with IE8, but >>> they'll work with Firefox. >>> Speaking of IE8, I'm about to start a thread on my problems upgrading to >>> IE9. >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> On 8/9/12, Greg Aikens wrote: >>>> Ok Joshua, this line really made me giggle: >>>> >>>> "but I know of some colleges, that use this same >>>> company, to make their Websites inaccessible" >>>> >>>> As others have pointed out, I doubt colleges and companies hire this web >>>> designer with the express purpose of making their websites inaccessible. >>>> >>>> And I think if you're looking for a main culprit as to why flash material >>>> is >>>> inaccessible, you should look to the designers of flash, your web >>>> browser >>>> and your screen reader as well. Sorry you have had a hard time >>>> accessing >>>> these sites though. I know that is an extremely frustrating experience. >>>> >>>> -Greg >>>> On Aug 9, 2012, at 8:40 AM, Joshua Lester >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> but I know of some colleges, that use this same >>>>> company, to make their Websites inaccessible >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.comof From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Fri Aug 10 21:39:13 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 14:39:13 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Ah HA! I found the culperate! In-Reply-To: References: <1471C68E-086E-4A28-AED0-AB41E49223D2@gmail.com> Message-ID: I agre. Sent from my iPad On Aug 10, 2012, at 8:41 AM, Aleeha Dudley wrote: > The answer to both of those questions is design. Website developers focus on what looks good to the consumer. They don't necessarily think about accessibility for those of us with visual impairments or blindness. That's why we need to educate them on how to make sure their website is both visually appealing and accessible. There are coding issues that make some sites break with ie8 or 9 but yet work with other browsers. > > Aleeha Dudley > President, Ohio Association of Blind Students > Changing what it means to be blind > > On Aug 10, 2012, at 2:51 AM, Joshua Lester wrote: > >> Why do Web design companies do this, though? >> I also don't understand why certain Websites won't work with IE8, but >> they'll work with Firefox. >> Speaking of IE8, I'm about to start a thread on my problems upgrading to IE9. >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> On 8/9/12, Greg Aikens wrote: >>> Ok Joshua, this line really made me giggle: >>> >>> "but I know of some colleges, that use this same >>> company, to make their Websites inaccessible" >>> >>> As others have pointed out, I doubt colleges and companies hire this web >>> designer with the express purpose of making their websites inaccessible. >>> >>> And I think if you're looking for a main culprit as to why flash material is >>> inaccessible, you should look to the designers of flash, your web browser >>> and your screen reader as well. Sorry you have had a hard time accessing >>> these sites though. I know that is an extremely frustrating experience. >>> >>> -Greg >>> On Aug 9, 2012, at 8:40 AM, Joshua Lester >>> wrote: >>> >>>> but I know of some colleges, that use this same >>>> company, to make their Websites inaccessible >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From steve.jacobson at visi.com Sat Aug 11 02:28:55 2012 From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 21:28:55 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Internet Explorer problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Josh, If you do a google search for "Internet Explorer 9 Requirements", one of the results points you to a microsoft page which states that for Vista, you must have Service Pack 2 installed. I'm not sure if you get that as an optional update through Windows Update or not, but it is worth doing a check for updates through Windows update and then checking to see if it is in the optional updates. If you can't get it through Windows Update, you can probably search for it on google and find the web site that has it. I would only get it from Microsoft, though, and be sure you know if your system is a 32-bit or a 64- bit system. Good luck. Best regards, Steve Jacobson On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 09:17:09 -0500, Joshua Lester wrote: >I'll need to upgrade, because my tests will be in Blackboard, which >won't work with IE8. >I use Vista, but the Website isn't telling me anything. >It just says, that the service pack isn't installed. >Thanks, Joshua >On 8/10/12, Steve Jacobson wrote: >> Joshua, >> >> First, there are both good and bad things about Internet Explorer 9. Are >> you certain you want or need >> to upgrade? >> >> Second, Service Packs are sort of groups of updates for Windows that you can >> apply all at once. >> Sometimes service packs also include some enhancements. The message should >> be telling you which service >> pack is required. Internet Explorer 9 won't run on Windows XP. If you have >> Vista, the Microsoft web >> site should tell you for certain what you need. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Steve Jacobson >> >> On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 01:54:16 -0500, Joshua Lester wrote: >> >>>Every time I try to upgrade to IE9, I get this message that the >>>service pack has not been installed. >>>What's a service pack? >>>Does that mean, that it won't let me upgrade, until I get Windows 7? >>>Thanks, Joshua >> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sat Aug 11 07:26:26 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 02:26:26 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Internet Explorer problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks alot! My system is a 64 bit. Blessings, Joshua On 8/10/12, Steve Jacobson wrote: > Josh, > > If you do a google search for "Internet Explorer 9 Requirements", one of the > results points you to a microsoft page which states that for Vista, you must > > have Service Pack 2 installed. I'm not sure if you get that as an optional > update through Windows Update or not, but it is worth doing a check for > updates through Windows update and then checking to see if it is in the > optional updates. If you can't get it through Windows Update, you can > probably > search for it on google and find the web site that has it. I would only get > it from Microsoft, though, and be sure you know if your system is a 32-bit > or a 64- > bit system. > > Good luck. > > Best regards, > > Steve Jacobson > > > On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 09:17:09 -0500, Joshua Lester wrote: > >>I'll need to upgrade, because my tests will be in Blackboard, which >>won't work with IE8. >>I use Vista, but the Website isn't telling me anything. >>It just says, that the service pack isn't installed. >>Thanks, Joshua > >>On 8/10/12, Steve Jacobson wrote: >>> Joshua, >>> >>> First, there are both good and bad things about Internet Explorer 9. >>> Are >>> you certain you want or need >>> to upgrade? >>> >>> Second, Service Packs are sort of groups of updates for Windows that you >>> can >>> apply all at once. >>> Sometimes service packs also include some enhancements. The message >>> should >>> be telling you which service >>> pack is required. Internet Explorer 9 won't run on Windows XP. If you >>> have >>> Vista, the Microsoft web >>> site should tell you for certain what you need. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Steve Jacobson >>> >>> On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 01:54:16 -0500, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> >>>>Every time I try to upgrade to IE9, I get this message that the >>>>service pack has not been installed. >>>>What's a service pack? >>>>Does that mean, that it won't let me upgrade, until I get Windows 7? >>>>Thanks, Joshua >>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> > >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Sat Aug 11 17:39:55 2012 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Baccchus) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 13:39:55 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Gps Serial Number and Password Message-ID: <502698f0.0680650a.2995.7a94@mx.google.com> Hello everyone I have a question. Where can I obtain my serial number and password to log into the Sendero web site? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Feel free to email me offlist. From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sat Aug 11 18:32:47 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 14:32:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Gps Serial Number and Password In-Reply-To: <502698f0.0680650a.2995.7a94@mx.google.com> References: <502698f0.0680650a.2995.7a94@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Maybe if you call them they could tell you. -----Original Message----- From: Roanna Baccchus Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 1:39 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Gps Serial Number and Password Hello everyone I have a question. Where can I obtain my serial number and password to log into the Sendero web site? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Feel free to email me offlist. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From troubleclark at gmail.com Sat Aug 11 20:48:13 2012 From: troubleclark at gmail.com (Nathan Clark) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 16:48:13 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Note Apex issue Message-ID: Dear Nabs, My Braille Note Apex seems to not totally charge at 100 percent. I plug it in for a couple of hours and I will check it and it says that it is at 98 percent. I let it continue charging for a while and check it for a second time but it will still be at 98 percent. Does this mean my battery in the Apex is bad or is the cord the problem? Sincerely, Nathan Clark From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sat Aug 11 20:54:06 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 15:54:06 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Note Apex issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wow! My Pac Mate would do the same thing, but when I'd remove the charger, it would say 100%. Blessings, Joshua On 8/11/12, Nathan Clark wrote: > Dear Nabs, > > My Braille Note Apex seems to not totally charge at 100 percent. I > plug it in for a couple of hours and I will check it and it says that > it is at 98 percent. I let it continue charging for a while and check > it for a second time but it will still be at 98 percent. Does this > mean my battery in the Apex is bad or is the cord the problem? > Sincerely, > Nathan Clark > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com Sat Aug 11 21:15:03 2012 From: brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com (Brandon Keith Biggs) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 14:15:03 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Note Apex issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello, This means that your battery meter is a little off. It isn't a big deal, but it does mean that you will get the 98% when it is really 100%. There is probably a way to reset your battery meter, but if there is nothing, you can drain your unit to 0% battery life and charge it up again. Thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 1:54 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Note Apex issue Wow! My Pac Mate would do the same thing, but when I'd remove the charger, it would say 100%. Blessings, Joshua On 8/11/12, Nathan Clark wrote: > Dear Nabs, > > My Braille Note Apex seems to not totally charge at 100 percent. I > plug it in for a couple of hours and I will check it and it says that > it is at 98 percent. I let it continue charging for a while and check > it for a second time but it will still be at 98 percent. Does this > mean my battery in the Apex is bad or is the cord the problem? > Sincerely, > Nathan Clark > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com From amieelsabo at gmail.com Sat Aug 11 21:20:15 2012 From: amieelsabo at gmail.com (Amy Sabo) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 15:20:15 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting In-Reply-To: <46F7896E7B4D4E5499A195CEC5CBACBE@Gloria> References: <46F7896E7B4D4E5499A195CEC5CBACBE@Gloria> Message-ID: <058a01cd7807$1a0c2480$4e246d80$@gmail.com> Hello Gloria and all, This is a very good thread and, I am now dealing with this topic since I have decided to look for a job now instead of finishing school since I think that school isn't for me. When I have had interviews I usually tell them of my blindness but, they usually know that when they see my cane. As for obtaining a job I don't have the right answer for that question. But, I believe that all work experience paid or not is beneficial for obtaining work. Most of my work experience hasn't been paid but, some of it is... Just keep on pursuing like we are all including myself too and, don't give up! Good luck, amy -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gloria G Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 5:24 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting Hi all, I was wondering how do you handle interviews when the talk of blindness comes up? I have had some interviews and in some cases the interviewer does not bring up my blindness, but I know it is something that is very noticeable as soon as I walk in the door. I try to remain calm and answer the questions that pertain to the position I am applying for and I discuss how I would handle these tasks despite my blindness. There are those interviewers who just come right out and ask how I am going to complete the task required of me as a blind person. I answer and give examples of how I would complete the tasks. I guess I should have started out by saying I am a psychology and sociology double major and want to work with at risk youth as a counselor. Because I do not yet have my degree I am trying to gain as much experience as possible because this is what future employers will be looking for, but the problem I run into is there are many organizations that work with at risk youth in the town I live in, but there is always the question of how I am going to work with the youth as a blind person. I have also thought of doing any work that involved providing services to youth, women, families such as, homeless shelters and things of that nature. I am just feeling defeated at this point, because every door I have opened has closed shut in my face, and it only seems to be due to me being blind. I just want someone to give me a chance because I know I can do the work. Thanks _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amieelsabo%40gmail.com From troubleclark at gmail.com Sat Aug 11 22:52:17 2012 From: troubleclark at gmail.com (Nathan Clark) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 18:52:17 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Note Apex issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Brandon, If I were to drain the battery to 0 percent will I lose any of my files on the Apex? I have two huge college textbooks on their so I don't want to lose those just before the semester starts. Sincerely, Nathan Clark On 8/11/12, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: > Hello, > This means that your battery meter is a little off. It isn't a big deal, but > > it does mean that you will get the 98% when it is really 100%. > There is probably a way to reset your battery meter, but if there is > nothing, you can drain your unit to 0% battery life and charge it up again. > Thanks, > > Brandon Keith Biggs > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 1:54 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Note Apex issue > > Wow! > My Pac Mate would do the same thing, but when I'd remove the charger, > it would say 100%. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 8/11/12, Nathan Clark wrote: >> Dear Nabs, >> >> My Braille Note Apex seems to not totally charge at 100 percent. I >> plug it in for a couple of hours and I will check it and it says that >> it is at 98 percent. I let it continue charging for a while and check >> it for a second time but it will still be at 98 percent. Does this >> mean my battery in the Apex is bad or is the cord the problem? >> Sincerely, >> Nathan Clark >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark%40gmail.com > From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Sat Aug 11 23:32:51 2012 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 18:32:51 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Note Apex issue Message-ID: <5026ebaa.7397ec0a.0a9e.ffffa46f@mx.google.com> It's probably the battery. It's designed to charge 300 times before starting to lose charge. ----- Original Message ----- From: Nathan Clark References: <5026ebaa.7397ec0a.0a9e.ffffa46f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4DD22203-B05F-4BE4-8248-999A50878108@gmail.com> Can you email me of list? My email address Is as follows: kobycox at gmail.com Koby Sent from my iPhone On Aug 11, 2012, at 6:32 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: > It's probably the battery. It's designed to charge 300 times before starting to lose charge. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Nathan Clark To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 16:48:13 -0400 > Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Note Apex issue > > Dear Nabs, > > My Braille Note Apex seems to not totally charge at 100 percent. I > plug it in for a couple of hours and I will check it and it says that > it is at 98 percent. I let it continue charging for a while and check > it for a second time but it will still be at 98 percent. Does this > mean my battery in the Apex is bad or is the cord the problem? > Sincerely, > Nathan Clark > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com From aubielynn at gmail.com Sun Aug 12 00:06:20 2012 From: aubielynn at gmail.com (Aubrie Lucas) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 16:06:20 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Note Apex issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001cd781e$4f50a690$edf1f3b0$@com> No, you won't lose anything, unless you're working on something at the time the battery loses its charge. Honestly, I don't think draining the battery will make a difference. Both the Apexes I've had have had inaccurate battery gauges, and they remained inaccurate no matter how many times I let the battery go flat. Aubrie -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nathan Clark Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 2:52 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Note Apex issue Dear Brandon, If I were to drain the battery to 0 percent will I lose any of my files on the Apex? I have two huge college textbooks on their so I don't want to lose those just before the semester starts. Sincerely, Nathan Clark On 8/11/12, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: > Hello, > This means that your battery meter is a little off. It isn't a big > deal, but > > it does mean that you will get the 98% when it is really 100%. > There is probably a way to reset your battery meter, but if there is > nothing, you can drain your unit to 0% battery life and charge it up again. > Thanks, > > Brandon Keith Biggs > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 1:54 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Note Apex issue > > Wow! > My Pac Mate would do the same thing, but when I'd remove the charger, > it would say 100%. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 8/11/12, Nathan Clark wrote: >> Dear Nabs, >> >> My Braille Note Apex seems to not totally charge at 100 percent. I >> plug it in for a couple of hours and I will check it and it says that >> it is at 98 percent. I let it continue charging for a while and check >> it for a second time but it will still be at 98 percent. Does this >> mean my battery in the Apex is bad or is the cord the problem? >> Sincerely, >> Nathan Clark >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40stu >> dents.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs% > 40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark%40gma > il.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aubielynn%40gmail.com From joshkart12 at gmail.com Sun Aug 12 00:10:42 2012 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (josh gregory) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 20:10:42 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Note Apex issue In-Reply-To: <4DD22203-B05F-4BE4-8248-999A50878108@gmail.com> References: <5026ebaa.7397ec0a.0a9e.ffffa46f@mx.google.com> <4DD22203-B05F-4BE4-8248-999A50878108@gmail.com> Message-ID: Nate; No, you won't lose files with battery drain. The apex is designed with flash, so you won't lose data from this. I'm going to suggest that you subscribe to the braillenote list, for, while this is a list for college stuff, and the apex is indeed used in college, a forum dedicated to the braillenote family of products may be more appropriate for this sort of thing. If anyone wants subscription info, email me off list. Thanks, Josh On 8/11/12, Koby wrote: > Can you email me of list? My email address Is as follows: > kobycox at gmail.com > Koby > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 11, 2012, at 6:32 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: > >> It's probably the battery. It's designed to charge 300 times before >> starting to lose charge. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Nathan Clark > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 16:48:13 -0400 >> Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Note Apex issue >> >> Dear Nabs, >> >> My Braille Note Apex seems to not totally charge at 100 percent. I >> plug it in for a couple of hours and I will check it and it says that >> it is at 98 percent. I let it continue charging for a while and check >> it for a second time but it will still be at 98 percent. Does this >> mean my battery in the Apex is bad or is the cord the problem? >> Sincerely, >> Nathan Clark >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >> r%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com > -- Ways to Connect with me: facebook.com/evercuriousmasteryodo twitter.com/joshg93 Skype: joshgregory93 FaceTime, iMessage and iChat: joshkart12 at gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Aug 12 02:06:32 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 22:06:32 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Note Apex issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <91916824315444C7B643225EDBBDA1BD@OwnerPC> Hi, I don't think you'd lose files; but why not back them up just in case. Use an external storage device such as a USB drive or sd card for this. Go to utilities from the main menu to find back up option,. -----Original Message----- From: Nathan Clark Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 6:52 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Note Apex issue Dear Brandon, If I were to drain the battery to 0 percent will I lose any of my files on the Apex? I have two huge college textbooks on their so I don't want to lose those just before the semester starts. Sincerely, Nathan Clark On 8/11/12, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: > Hello, > This means that your battery meter is a little off. It isn't a big deal, > but > > it does mean that you will get the 98% when it is really 100%. > There is probably a way to reset your battery meter, but if there is > nothing, you can drain your unit to 0% battery life and charge it up > again. > Thanks, > > Brandon Keith Biggs > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 1:54 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Note Apex issue > > Wow! > My Pac Mate would do the same thing, but when I'd remove the charger, > it would say 100%. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 8/11/12, Nathan Clark wrote: >> Dear Nabs, >> >> My Braille Note Apex seems to not totally charge at 100 percent. I >> plug it in for a couple of hours and I will check it and it says that >> it is at 98 percent. I let it continue charging for a while and check >> it for a second time but it will still be at 98 percent. Does this >> mean my battery in the Apex is bad or is the cord the problem? >> Sincerely, >> Nathan Clark >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Aug 12 02:10:26 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 22:10:26 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Note Apex issue In-Reply-To: <5026ebaa.7397ec0a.0a9e.ffffa46f@mx.google.com> References: <5026ebaa.7397ec0a.0a9e.ffffa46f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Sophie, Oh my. Where did you hear that? if only three hundred times, well I charge it about every week. That explains why my battery loses charge faster now. I have had the battery replaced but that was a few years ago. -----Original Message----- From: Sophie Trist Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 7:32 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Note Apex issue It's probably the battery. It's designed to charge 300 times before starting to lose charge. ----- Original Message ----- From: Nathan Clark Dear List, Hi this is Alexander Kaiser. I am starting an nfb division for blind people with cerebral Palsy. The division meets on the first Monday of the month August through June. Call 218-632-3715 passcode: 999999#. If anyone who has cerebral Palsy and who is blind who is interested email me at alexander.kaiser at myacc.net. Sincerely, Alex From dandrews at visi.com Sun Aug 12 03:34:23 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 22:34:23 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] [4alabama] Starting a cerebral Palsy division of the NFB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Are you actually a member of the NFB. If so which chapter and state affiliate? You just don't go off and start a division because you want to do so! David Andrews At 10:04 PM 8/11/2012, Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser wrote: >Dear List, >Hi this is Alexander Kaiser. I am starting an nfb division for blind >people with cerebral Palsy. The division meets on the first Monday >of the month August through June. Call 218-632-3715 passcode: >999999#. If anyone who has cerebral Palsy and who is blind who is >interested email me at alexander.kaiser at myacc.net. >Sincerely, >Alex >_______________________________________________ >4alabama mailing list >4alabama at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/4alabama_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >for 4alabama: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/4alabama_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Sun Aug 12 03:45:51 2012 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 22:45:51 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Note Apex issue Message-ID: <502726f7.a473ec0a.7c86.ffffc0e5@mx.google.com> I read it in the user mannual. I've charged mine over 300 times, and it still works fine, so I'm not entirely sure this information is accurate. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" References: Message-ID: Hi Alex and all, You can't start an official NFB division without being a member and without getting permission from the NFB national office. However, I see nothing wrong with starting a conference call support group for blind people who have cerebral palsy and announcing it on our lists. Just don't call it an NFB group without permission from NFB national, but instead call it an informal interest group for people who are blind and have CP. Anyone can start an informal phone or email group related to blindness if they want to without putting NFB's name on it. Best, Arielle On 8/11/12, David Andrews wrote: > Are you actually a member of the NFB. If so which chapter and state > affiliate? You just don't go off and start a division because you > want to do so! > > David Andrews > > At 10:04 PM 8/11/2012, Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser wrote: >>Dear List, >>Hi this is Alexander Kaiser. I am starting an nfb division for blind >>people with cerebral Palsy. The division meets on the first Monday >>of the month August through June. Call 218-632-3715 passcode: >>999999#. If anyone who has cerebral Palsy and who is blind who is >>interested email me at alexander.kaiser at myacc.net. >>Sincerely, >>Alex >>_______________________________________________ >>4alabama mailing list >>4alabama at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/4alabama_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>for 4alabama: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/4alabama_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sun Aug 12 10:28:32 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 05:28:32 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] [4alabama] Starting a cerebral Palsy division of the NFB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At least, he's finally coming up with a good idea, this time, instead of spamming us! BTW, Arielle, great post as usual. Blessings, Joshua On 8/11/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi Alex and all, > You can't start an official NFB division without being a member and > without getting permission from the NFB national office. However, I > see nothing wrong with starting a conference call support group for > blind people who have cerebral palsy and announcing it on our lists. > Just don't call it an NFB group without permission from NFB national, > but instead call it an informal interest group for people who are > blind and have CP. Anyone can start an informal phone or email group > related to blindness if they want to without putting NFB's name on it. > Best, > Arielle > > On 8/11/12, David Andrews wrote: >> Are you actually a member of the NFB. If so which chapter and state >> affiliate? You just don't go off and start a division because you >> want to do so! >> >> David Andrews >> >> At 10:04 PM 8/11/2012, Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser wrote: >>>Dear List, >>>Hi this is Alexander Kaiser. I am starting an nfb division for blind >>>people with cerebral Palsy. The division meets on the first Monday >>>of the month August through June. Call 218-632-3715 passcode: >>>999999#. If anyone who has cerebral Palsy and who is blind who is >>>interested email me at alexander.kaiser at myacc.net. >>>Sincerely, >>>Alex >>>_______________________________________________ >>>4alabama mailing list >>>4alabama at nfbnet.org >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/4alabama_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>for 4alabama: >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/4alabama_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Aug 12 14:35:28 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 10:35:28 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] [4alabama] Starting a cerebral Palsy division of theNFB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <38D6F9B49B634F70AF8E99FF8173639C@OwnerPC> I think his message is spam. I wouldn't call any number unless I thought the intention was real and legitimate. -----Original Message----- From: David Andrews Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 11:34 PM To: NFB of Alabama List ; nfb-talk at nfbnett.org ; nfbf-l at nfbnet.org ; nfb-new-hampshire at nfbnet.org ; colorado-talk at nfbnett.org ; home-on-the-range at nfbnet.org ; nabs-l at nfbnet.org ; fabs at nfbnet.org ; ct-nfb at nfbnet.org ; 4alabama at nfbnet.org ; ohio-talk at nfbnet.org ; nfb-hi at nfbnet.org ; nfb-idaho at nfbnet.org ; il-talk at nfbnet.org ; mt-blind at nfbnet.org ; nfb-announce at nfbnet.org ; nfb-editors at nfbnet.org ; nfb-utah at nfbnet.org ; nfbc-info at nfbnet.org ; nfbaz-talk at nfbnet.org ; nfbmd at nfbnet.org ; nfbk at nfbnet.org ; nfbwv-talk at nfbnet.org ; nfbwatlk at nfbnet.org ; nfbmo at nfbnet.org ; NFBOKTalk at nfbnet.org ; sd-talk at nfbnet.org ; tn-talk at nfbnet.org Cc: officeofthepresident at nfb.org ; nfbaffiliatepresidents at nfbnet.org ; chapter-presidents at nfbnet.org Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [4alabama] Starting a cerebral Palsy division of theNFB Are you actually a member of the NFB. If so which chapter and state affiliate? You just don't go off and start a division because you want to do so! David Andrews At 10:04 PM 8/11/2012, Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser wrote: >Dear List, >Hi this is Alexander Kaiser. I am starting an nfb division for blind people >with cerebral Palsy. The division meets on the first Monday of the month >August through June. Call 218-632-3715 passcode: 999999#. If anyone who has >cerebral Palsy and who is blind who is interested email me at >alexander.kaiser at myacc.net. >Sincerely, >Alex >_______________________________________________ >4alabama mailing list >4alabama at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/4alabama_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >4alabama: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/4alabama_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From k7uij at panix.com Sun Aug 12 14:36:59 2012 From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 07:36:59 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] [Nfb-announce] [4alabama] Starting a cerebral Palsy division of the NFB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004101cd7897$f04c27d0$d0e47770$@panix.com> Moreover, have you been to a national convention? Although procedures for starting a division aren't set in stone, it's a good idea to ascertain the level of interest in forming a new division by holding a meeting at the national convention. Once a division is established, meetings at each national convention will have to be held in any event. Additionally, proposed new divisions must garner the approval of Dr. Maurer and the nFB board of directors in a formal vote. Bottom line: if you are a member of NFB, you're going at this backward. If you're *not* in the NFB, you don't have the right nor will you have a prayer of a chance to form such a division. Mike Freeman, Member Board of direcgtors National Federation of the blind -----Original Message----- From: nfb-announce-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-announce-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Andrews Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 8:34 PM To: NFB of Alabama List; nfb-talk at nfbnett.org; nfbf-l at nfbnet.org; nfb-new-hampshire at nfbnet.org; colorado-talk at nfbnett.org; home-on-the-range at nfbnet.org; nabs-l at nfbnet.org; fabs at nfbnet.org; ct-nfb at nfbnet.org; 4alabama at nfbnet.org; ohio-talk at nfbnet.org; nfb-hi at nfbnet.org; nfb-idaho at nfbnet.org; il-talk at nfbnet.org; mt-blind at nfbnet.org; nfb-announce at nfbnet.org; nfb-editors at nfbnet.org; nfb-utah at nfbnet.org; nfbc-info at nfbnet.org; nfbaz-talk at nfbnet.org; nfbmd at nfbnet.org; nfbk at nfbnet.org; nfbwv-talk at nfbnet.org; nfbwatlk at nfbnet.org; nfbmo at nfbnet.org; NFBOKTalk at nfbnet.org; sd-talk at nfbnet.org; tn-talk at nfbnet.org Cc: officeofthepresident at nfb.org; nfbaffiliatepresidents at nfbnet.org; chapter-presidents at nfbnet.org Subject: Re: [Nfb-announce] [4alabama] Starting a cerebral Palsy division of the NFB Are you actually a member of the NFB. If so which chapter and state affiliate? You just don't go off and start a division because you want to do so! David Andrews At 10:04 PM 8/11/2012, Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser wrote: >Dear List, >Hi this is Alexander Kaiser. I am starting an nfb division for blind >people with cerebral Palsy. The division meets on the first Monday >of the month August through June. Call 218-632-3715 passcode: >999999#. If anyone who has cerebral Palsy and who is blind who is >interested email me at alexander.kaiser at myacc.net. >Sincerely, >Alex >_______________________________________________ >4alabama mailing list >4alabama at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/4alabama_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >for 4alabama: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/4alabama_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com _______________________________________________ Nfb-announce mailing list Nfb-announce at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-announce_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Nfb-announce: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfb-announce_nfbnet.org/k7uij%40panix.com From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Sun Aug 12 18:47:00 2012 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Baccchus) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 14:47:00 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A Gps Update Message-ID: <5027fa2c.e64dec0a.407e.05b2@mx.google.com> Last night I emailed Sendero about the password and serial number for my Gps receiver. I'll let you know when I get a response. From djdrocks22180 at audioaccessfm.com Sun Aug 12 20:19:38 2012 From: djdrocks22180 at audioaccessfm.com (David Dunphy) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 16:19:38 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A 200 Dollar Prize Up For Grabs And A Party Invitation Just For You Tonight Message-ID: Hi Everyone! Believe it or not, Audio Access FM has been around for almost one year, which means our birthday is coming soon! And what would be a birthday party without people to party with? But most people want party details with their invitations. They want to know where to go, how to get there, etc. Tonight, consider our pre birthday special at 8 PM eastern your audio invitation. Learn everything from... How to win 200 dollars in cold hard cash, and how you could qualify tonight! Learn about the changes we'll be making at Audio Access FM Find out about just some of the events of the birthday party And more... During tonight's show, you'll be able to make your requests via the following methods: Via aol instant messenger or msn messenger at the address interact at audioaccessfm.com Via skype at audio.accessfm Via twitter at either djdrocks or audioaccessfm Or by phone at 516 324 2314 Consider this your invitation to be at one of the coolest parties ever, so to learn more about it, save this email, and at 8 PM eastern, log on to http://www.audioaccessfm.com/broadband.php to tune in. Hope to see you there! >From David Dunphy, host of THe Djd Invasion and station manager, Audio Access FM http://www.audioaccessfm.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Aug 12 22:51:19 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 18:51:19 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants Message-ID: <9EEEB32F499840C5BD5DAE001B2C42C3@OwnerPC> Hi all, Food courts are crowded noisy places. They hand you the food on a tray. But often the customer has to get their own drink from a row of drink spickits. I am talking about the row of them where the cups are at the end and the drinks are gotten by pressing something to release the liquid. So any tips on them? How do you deal with these drink areas? Does someone help you? I suppose you could memorize it if you went there before. How do you find an empty table since your hands are full with the tray, unless you ask someone to carry it for you. Then, how do you find the trashcan? Do you explore where the trashcans are before you get your food? Do you ask someone to read the menu to you while in line, or do it beforehand? Some venues have their menu online which I use if possible; other times they don’t. Next, how do you deal with restaurants requiring you to order at the counter and pick it up at the counter? A fast food place usually gives you the food right there at the counter. You do not sit and wait. So that isn’t an issue. If I have to say, wait for fries, I do so right at the counter, as anyone else would. Restaurants where you do this include: Johnny Rockets in some locations deli places such as Philadelphia mikes Fudruckers Corner Bakery How do you find the counter and locate your seat? For me, I’m not good at reversing routes, and all tables look the same! I’m asking since I may order at such a restaurant with a blind friend and could use some tips on this. Thanks. Ashley From carlymih at comcast.net Sun Aug 12 23:02:06 2012 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 16:02:06 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants In-Reply-To: <9EEEB32F499840C5BD5DAE001B2C42C3@OwnerPC> References: <9EEEB32F499840C5BD5DAE001B2C42C3@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20120812155653.01e15378@comcast.net> Hi, Ashley, If I know I will be visiting a particular restaurant who has their menu Online, I definitely read it, selecting what sounds good ahead of time. If such a menu is not available I just ask the folks behind the counter, or on the floor to read it. As for the food court, the host personnel who seat me, are usually more than happy to help out by carrying, even getting the drink. After all, that's what there there for right? CarHi all, Food courts are crowded noisy places. They hand you the food on a tray. But often the customer has to get their own drink from a row of drink spickits. I am talking about the row of them where the cups are at the end and the drinks are gotten by pressing something to release the liquid. So any tips on them? How do you deal with these drink areas? Does someone help you? I suppose you could memorize it if you went there before. How do you find an empty table since your hands are full with the tray, unless you ask someone to carry it for you. Then, how do you find the trashcan? Do you explore where the trashcans are before you get your food? Do you ask someone to read the menu to you while in line, or do it beforehand? Some venues have their menu online which I use if possible; other times they don’t. Next, how do you deal with restaurants requiring you to order at the counter and pick it up at the counter? A fast food place usually gives you the food right there at the counter. You do not sit and wait. So that isn’t an issue. If I have to say, wait for fries, I do so right at the counter, as anyone else would. Restaurants where you do this include: Johnny Rockets in some locations deli places such as Philadelphia mikes Fudruckers Corner Bakery How do you find the counter and locate your seat? For me, I’m not good at reversing routes, and all tables look the same! I’m asking since I may order at such a restaurant with a blind friend and could use some tips on this. Thanks. Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Aug 12 23:09:31 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 19:09:31 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20120812155653.01e15378@comcast.net> References: <9EEEB32F499840C5BD5DAE001B2C42C3@OwnerPC> <7.0.1.0.2.20120812155653.01e15378@comcast.net> Message-ID: <170E9219C2164E71A3675D408B1467EC@OwnerPC> Hi carley, In food courts, that is not always my experience. Perhaps its where I live. Like you, I may plan ahead about the menu thing. For the drinks thing, they do help me if I ask for it, but they seem busy and I may have to wait a few minutes. The staff are busy taking orders, filling them, and taking money from customers. Often, they just seem too busy to help out; so, a friendly customer in line offers to assist me and I take it. They read the drink options and I pick one I want. Some places have bottle drinks and I find these easier. In this case, they can just hand me the bottle as they hand me the food too. I'm glad you have found the staff helpful because they should be as an accomodation. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Carly Mihalakis Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 7:02 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants Hi, Ashley, If I know I will be visiting a particular restaurant who has their menu Online, I definitely read it, selecting what sounds good ahead of time. If such a menu is not available I just ask the folks behind the counter, or on the floor to read it. As for the food court, the host personnel who seat me, are usually more than happy to help out by carrying, even getting the drink. After all, that's what there there for right? CarHi all, Food courts are crowded noisy places. They hand you the food on a tray. But often the customer has to get their own drink from a row of drink spickits. I am talking about the row of them where the cups are at the end and the drinks are gotten by pressing something to release the liquid. So any tips on them? How do you deal with these drink areas? Does someone help you? I suppose you could memorize it if you went there before. How do you find an empty table since your hands are full with the tray, unless you ask someone to carry it for you. Then, how do you find the trashcan? Do you explore where the trashcans are before you get your food? Do you ask someone to read the menu to you while in line, or do it beforehand? Some venues have their menu online which I use if possible; other times they don’t. Next, how do you deal with restaurants requiring you to order at the counter and pick it up at the counter? A fast food place usually gives you the food right there at the counter. You do not sit and wait. So that isn’t an issue. If I have to say, wait for fries, I do so right at the counter, as anyone else would. Restaurants where you do this include: Johnny Rockets in some locations deli places such as Philadelphia mikes Fudruckers Corner Bakery How do you find the counter and locate your seat? For me, I’m not good at reversing routes, and all tables look the same! I’m asking since I may order at such a restaurant with a blind friend and could use some tips on this. Thanks. Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From carlymih at comcast.net Sun Aug 12 23:23:35 2012 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 16:23:35 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants In-Reply-To: <170E9219C2164E71A3675D408B1467EC@OwnerPC> References: <9EEEB32F499840C5BD5DAE001B2C42C3@OwnerPC> <7.0.1.0.2.20120812155653.01e15378@comcast.net> <170E9219C2164E71A3675D408B1467EC@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20120812162219.01dcf628@comcast.net> Hi, Ashley, If the personel behind the counter are too busy to help, other customers are often also more than happy to grab you a napkin or throw away your garbage./12/2012, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >Hi carley, In food courts, that is not always my >experience. Perhaps its where I live. Like you, >I may plan ahead about the menu thing. For the >drinks thing, they do help me if I ask for it, >but they seem busy and I may have to wait a few >minutes. The staff are busy taking orders, >filling them, and taking money from customers. >Often, they just seem too busy to help out; so, >a friendly customer in line offers to assist me >and I take it. They read the drink options and I >pick one I want. Some places have bottle drinks >and I find these easier. In this case, they can >just hand me the bottle as they hand me the food >too. I'm glad you have found the staff helpful >because they should be as an accomodation. >Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Carly >Mihalakis Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 7:02 PM >To: National Association of Blind Students >mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] food courts >and counter restaurants Hi, Ashley, If I know I >will be visiting a particular restaurant who has >their menu Online, I definitely read it, >selecting what sounds good ahead of time. If >such a menu is not available I just ask the >folks behind the counter, or on the floor to >read it. As for the food court, the host >personnel who seat me, are usually more than >happy to help out by carrying, even getting the >drink. After all, that's what there there for >right? CarHi all, Food courts are crowded noisy >places. They hand you the food on a tray. But >often the customer has to get their own drink >from a row of drink spickits. I am talking about >the row of them where the cups are at the end >and the drinks are gotten by pressing something >to release the liquid. So any tips on them? How >do you deal with these drink areas? Does someone >help you? I suppose you could memorize it if you >went there before. How do you find an empty >table since your hands are full with the tray, >unless you ask someone to carry it for you. >Then, how do you find the trashcan? Do you >explore where the trashcans are before you get >your food? Do you ask someone to read the menu >to you while in line, or do it beforehand? Some >venues have their menu online which I use if >possible; other times they don’t. Next, how >do you deal with restestaurants requiring you to >order at the counter and pick it up at the >counter? A fast food place usually gives you the >food right there at the counter. You do not sit >and wait. So that isn’t an issue. If I have >to say, waiwait for fries, I do so right at the >counter, as anyone else would. Restaurants where >you do this include: Johnny Rockets in some >locations deli places such as Philadelphia mikes >Fudruckers Corner Bakery How do you find the >counter and locate your seat? For me, I’m not >good at revreversing routes, and all tables look >the same! I’m am asking since I may order at >such a restaurant with a blind friend and could >use some tips on this. Thanks. Ashley >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Aug 12 23:33:12 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 19:33:12 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20120812162219.01dcf628@comcast.net> References: <9EEEB32F499840C5BD5DAE001B2C42C3@OwnerPC><7.0.1.0.2.20120812155653.01e15378@comcast.net><170E9219C2164E71A3675D408B1467EC@OwnerPC> <7.0.1.0.2.20120812162219.01dcf628@comcast.net> Message-ID: <89714D9EB0C4417892E9707D9C3D1420@OwnerPC> true, I find other customers help me. I kind of feel bad about asking though and like it when they ask me first. I feel by asking, I'm kind of obligating them to help before going to their table or carrying their food away. Oh, well, I need the help. -----Original Message----- From: Carly Mihalakis Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 7:23 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants Hi, Ashley, If the personel behind the counter are too busy to help, other customers are often also more than happy to grab you a napkin or throw away your garbage./12/2012, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >Hi carley, In food courts, that is not always my experience. Perhaps its >where I live. Like you, I may plan ahead about the menu thing. For the >drinks thing, they do help me if I ask for it, but they seem busy and I may >have to wait a few minutes. The staff are busy taking orders, filling them, >and taking money from customers. Often, they just seem too busy to help >out; so, a friendly customer in line offers to assist me and I take it. >They read the drink options and I pick one I want. Some places have bottle >drinks and I find these easier. In this case, they can just hand me the >bottle as they hand me the food too. I'm glad you have found the staff >helpful because they should be as an accomodation. Ashley -----Original >Message----- From: Carly Mihalakis Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 7:02 PM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: >[nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants Hi, Ashley, If I know I will >be visiting a particular restaurant who has their menu Online, I definitely >read it, selecting what sounds good ahead of time. If such a menu is not >available I just ask the folks behind the counter, or on the floor to read >it. As for the food court, the host personnel who seat me, are usually more >than happy to help out by carrying, even getting the drink. After all, >that's what there there for right? CarHi all, Food courts are crowded noisy >places. They hand you the food on a tray. But often the customer has to get >their own drink from a row of drink spickits. I am talking about the row of >them where the cups are at the end and the drinks are gotten by pressing >something to release the liquid. So any tips on them? How do you deal with >these drink areas? Does someone help you? I suppose you could memorize it >if you went there before. How do you find an empty table since your hands >are full with the tray, unless you ask someone to carry it for you. Then, >how do you find the trashcan? Do you explore where the trashcans are before >you get your food? Do you ask someone to read the menu to you while in >line, or do it beforehand? Some venues have their menu online which I use >if possible; other times they don’t. Next, how do you deal with >restestaurants requiring you to order at the counter and pick it up at the >counter? A fast food place usually gives you the food right there at the >counter. You do not sit and wait. So that isn’t an issue. If I have to >say, waiwait for fries, I do so right at the counter, as anyone else would. >Restaurants where you do this include: Johnny Rockets in some locations >deli places such as Philadelphia mikes Fudruckers Corner Bakery How do you >find the counter and locate your seat? For me, I’m not good at >revreversing routes, and all tables look the same! I’m am asking since I >may order at such a restaurant with a blind friend and could use some tips >on this. Thanks. Ashley _______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change >your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net >_______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To >unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >_______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To >unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From carlymih at comcast.net Sun Aug 12 23:55:44 2012 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 16:55:44 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants In-Reply-To: <89714D9EB0C4417892E9707D9C3D1420@OwnerPC> References: <9EEEB32F499840C5BD5DAE001B2C42C3@OwnerPC> <7.0.1.0.2.20120812155653.01e15378@comcast.net> <170E9219C2164E71A3675D408B1467EC@OwnerPC> <7.0.1.0.2.20120812162219.01dcf628@comcast.net> <89714D9EB0C4417892E9707D9C3D1420@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20120812165443.01c7cba0@comcast.net> Hi, Ashley, Well, If ya didn't need the help in a first place, you'd be able to do it, without it, right?At 04:33 PM 8/12/2012, you wrote: >true, I find other customers help me. I kind of >feel bad about asking though and like it when >they ask me first. I feel by asking, I'm kind of >obligating them to help before going to their >table or carrying their food away. Oh, well, I >need the help. -----Original Message----- From: >Carly Mihalakis Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 >7:23 PM To: National Association of Blind >Students mailing list ; National Association of >Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: >[nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants Hi, >Ashley, If the personel behind the >counter are too busy to help, other customers >are often also more than happy to grab you a >napkin or throw away your garbage./12/2012, >Ashley Bramlett wrote: >Hi carley, In food >courts, that is not always my experience. >Perhaps its >where I live. Like you, I may plan >ahead about the menu thing. For the >drinks >thing, they do help me if I ask for it, but they >seem busy and I may >have to wait a few minutes. >The staff are busy taking orders, filling >them, >and taking money from customers. Often, >they just seem too busy to help >out; so, a >friendly customer in line offers to assist me >and I take it. >They read the drink options and >I pick one I want. Some places have >bottle >drinks and I find these easier. In this >case, they can just hand me the >bottle as they >hand me the food too. I'm glad you have found >the staff >helpful because they should be as an >accomodation. Ashley -----Original >Message----- >From: Carly Mihalakis Sent: Sunday, August 12, >2012 7:02 PM >To: National Association of Blind >Students mailing list Subject: Re: >[nabs-l] >food courts and counter restaurants Hi, Ashley, >If I know I will >be visiting a particular >restaurant who has their menu Online, I >definitely >read it, selecting what sounds good >ahead of time. If such a menu is not >available >I just ask the folks behind the counter, or on >the floor to read >it. As for the food court, >the host personnel who seat me, are usually >more >than happy to help out by carrying, even >getting the drink. After all, >that's what there >there for right? CarHi all, Food courts are >crowded noisy >places. They hand you the food on >a tray. But often the customer has to get >their >own drink from a row of drink spickits. I am >talking about the row of >them where the cups >are at the end and the drinks are gotten by >pressing >something to release the liquid. So >any tips on them? How do you deal with >these >drink areas? Does someone help you? I suppose >you could memorize it >if you went there before. >How do you find an empty table since your >hands >are full with the tray, unless you ask >someone to carry it for you. Then, >how do you >find the trashcan? Do you explore where the >trashcans are before >you get your food? Do you >ask someone to read the menu to you while >in >line, or do it beforehand? Some venues have >their menu online which I use >if possible; >other times they don’t. Ne Next, how do you >deal with >restestaurants requiring you to order >at the counter and pick it up at the >counter? A >fast food place usually gives you the food right >there at the >counter. You do not sit and wait. >So that isn’t an issue. If I have to >say, >waiwait for fries,es, I do so right at the >counter, as anyone else would. >Restaurants >where you do this include: Johnny Rockets in >some locations >deli places such as Philadelphia >mikes Fudruckers Corner Bakery How do you >find >the counter and locate your seat? For me, >I’m not good at >revrevreversing routes, >and all tables look the same! I’™m am >asking since I >may order at such a restaurant >with a blind friend and could use some tips >on >this. Thanks. Ashley >_______________________________________________ > >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/list >info/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, >change >your list options or get your account >info for >nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l >_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net >_____________ >__________________________________ nabs-l >mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To >unsubscribe, change your list options or get >your account info for >nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l >_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >________ >_______________________________________ nabs-l >mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To >unsubscribe, change your list options or get >your account info for >nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l >_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net > From daviddod at buffalo.edu Sun Aug 12 23:56:44 2012 From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 19:56:44 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants In-Reply-To: <89714D9EB0C4417892E9707D9C3D1420@OwnerPC> References: <9EEEB32F499840C5BD5DAE001B2C42C3@OwnerPC> <7.0.1.0.2.20120812155653.01e15378@comcast.net> <170E9219C2164E71A3675D408B1467EC@OwnerPC> <7.0.1.0.2.20120812162219.01dcf628@comcast.net> <89714D9EB0C4417892E9707D9C3D1420@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Try to feel grateful and not bad about asking people for help when they give it to you. After all, people ask you for help in different situations and you kindly give it to them too right? David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > true, I find other customers help me. I kind of feel bad about asking > though and like it when they ask me first. > I feel by asking, I'm kind of obligating them to help before going to > their table or carrying their food away. > Oh, well, I need the help. > > > -----Original Message----- From: Carly Mihalakis > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 7:23 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; National > Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants > > Hi, Ashley, > > If the personel behind the counter are > too busy to help, other customers are often also > more than happy to grab you a napkin or throw > away your garbage./12/2012, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > >> Hi carley, In food courts, that is not always my experience. Perhaps its >> where I live. Like you, I may plan ahead about the menu thing. For the >> drinks thing, they do help me if I ask for it, but they seem busy and I may >> have to wait a few minutes. The staff are busy taking orders, filling them, >> and taking money from customers. Often, they just seem too busy to help >> out; so, a friendly customer in line offers to assist me and I take it. >> They read the drink options and I pick one I want. Some places have bottle >> drinks and I find these easier. In this case, they can just hand me the >> bottle as they hand me the food too. I'm glad you have found the staff >> helpful because they should be as an accomodation. Ashley -----Original >> Message----- From: Carly Mihalakis Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 7:02 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: >> [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants Hi, Ashley, If I know I will >> be visiting a particular restaurant who has their menu Online, I definitely >> read it, selecting what sounds good ahead of time. If such a menu is not >> available I just ask the folks behind the counter, or on the floor to read >> it. As for the food court, the host personnel who seat me, are usually more >> than happy to help out by carrying, even getting the drink. After all, >> that's what there there for right? CarHi all, Food courts are crowded noisy >> places. They hand you the food on a tray. But often the customer has to get >> their own drink from a row of drink spickits. I am talking about the row of >> them where the cups are at the end and the drinks are gotten by pressing >> something to release the liquid. So any tips on them? How do you deal with >> these drink areas? Does someone help you? I suppose you could memorize it >> if you went there before. How do you find an empty table since your hands >> are full with the tray, unless you ask someone to carry it for you. Then, >> how do you find the trashcan? Do you explore where the trashcans are before >> you get your food? Do you ask someone to read the menu to you while in >> line, or do it beforehand? Some venues have their menu online which I use >> if possible; other times they don’t. Next, how do you deal with >> restestaurants requiring you to order at the counter and pick it up at the >> counter? A fast food place usually gives you the food right there at the >> counter. You do not sit and wait. So that isn’t an issue. If I have to >> say, waiwait for fries, I do so right at the counter, as anyone else would. >> Restaurants where you do this include: Johnny Rockets in some locations >> deli places such as Philadelphia mikes Fudruckers Corner Bakery How do you >> find the counter and locate your seat? For me, I’m not good at >> revreversing routes, and all tables look the same! I’m am asking since I >> may order at such a restaurant with a blind friend and could use some tips >> on this. Thanks. Ashley ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/** >> listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.orgTo unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> carlymih%40comcast.net______________________________ >> **_________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.orgTo unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> bookwormahb%40earthlink.net______________________________ >> **_________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.orgTo unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> carlymih%40comcast.net >> > > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > daviddod%40buffalo.edu > From carlymih at comcast.net Mon Aug 13 00:00:38 2012 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 17:00:38 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20120812165443.01c7cba0@comcast.net> References: <9EEEB32F499840C5BD5DAE001B2C42C3@OwnerPC> <7.0.1.0.2.20120812155653.01e15378@comcast.net> <170E9219C2164E71A3675D408B1467EC@OwnerPC> <7.0.1.0.2.20120812162219.01dcf628@comcast.net> <89714D9EB0C4417892E9707D9C3D1420@OwnerPC> <7.0.1.0.2.20120812165443.01c7cba0@comcast.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20120812165837.01c6b098@comcast.net> Ashley, stop apologizing for your blindness, by saying you have qualms about soliciting help. There is room for everyone, even blind folks. Get over it! Just sayin':55 PM 8/12/2012, you wrote: >Hi, Ashley, > >Well, If ya didn't need the help in a first >place, you'd be able to do it, without it, >right?At 04:33 PM 8/12/2012, you wrote: >>true, I find other customers help me. I kind of >>feel bad about asking though and like it when >>they ask me first. I feel by asking, I'm kind >>of obligating them to help before going to >>their table or carrying their food away. Oh, >>well, I need the help. -----Original >>Message----- From: Carly Mihalakis Sent: >>Sunday, August 12, 2012 7:23 PM To: National >>Association of Blind Students mailing list ; >>National Association of Blind Students mailing >>list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] food courts and >>counter restaurants Hi, Ashley, If the >>personel behind the counter are too busy to >>help, other customers are often also more than >>happy to grab you a napkin or throw away your >>garbage./12/2012, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >Hi >>carley, In food courts, that is not always my >>experience. Perhaps its >where I live. Like >>you, I may plan ahead about the menu thing. For >>the >drinks thing, they do help me if I ask for >>it, but they seem busy and I may >have to wait >>a few minutes. The staff are busy taking >>orders, filling them, >and taking money from >>customers. Often, they just seem too busy to >>help >out; so, a friendly customer in line >>offers to assist me and I take it. >They read >>the drink options and I pick one I want. Some >>places have bottle >drinks and I find these >>easier. In this case, they can just hand me >>the >bottle as they hand me the food too. I'm >>glad you have found the staff >helpful because >>they should be as an accomodation. Ashley >>-----Original >Message----- From: Carly >>Mihalakis Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 7:02 >>PM >To: National Association of Blind Students >>mailing list Subject: Re: >[nabs-l] food courts >>and counter restaurants Hi, Ashley, If I know I >>will >be visiting a particular restaurant who >>has their menu Online, I definitely >read it, >>selecting what sounds good ahead of time. If >>such a menu is not >available I just ask the >>folks behind the counter, or on the floor to >>read >it. As for the food court, the host >>personnel who seat me, are usually more >than >>happy to help out by carrying, even getting the >>drink. After all, >that's what there there for >>right? CarHi all, Food courts are crowded >>noisy >places. They hand you the food on a >>tray. But often the customer has to get >their >>own drink from a row of drink spickits. I am >>talking about the row of >them where the cups >>are at the end and the drinks are gotten by >>pressing >something to release the liquid. So >>any tips on them? How do you deal with >these >>drink areas? Does someone help you? I suppose >>you could memorize it >if you went there >>before. How do you find an empty table since >>your hands >are full with the tray, unless you >>ask someone to carry it for you. Then, >how do >>you find the trashcan? Do you explore where the >>trashcans are before >you get your food? Do you >>ask someone to read the menu to you while >>in >line, or do it beforehand? Some venues have >>their menu online which I use >if possible; >>other times they don’t. Ne Next, how do >>you deal with >restestaurants requiring you to >>order at the counter and pick it up at >>the >counter? A fast food place usually gives >>you the food right there at the >counter. You >>do not sit and wait. So that isn’t an >>issue. If I have to >say, waiwait for fries,es, >>I do so right at the counter, as anyone else >>would. >Restaurants where you do this include: >>Johnny Rockets in some locations >deli places >>such as Philadelphia mikes Fudruckers Corner >>Bakery How do you >find the counter and locate >>your seat? For me, I’m not good >>at >revrevreversing routes, and all tables look >>the same! I’™m am asking since I >may >>order at such a restaurant with a blind friend >>and could use some tips >on this. Thanks. >>Ashley >>_______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/lis >>t info/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, >>change >your list options or get your account >>info for >>nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs- >>l >>_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net >____________ >>_ __________________________________ nabs-l >>mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To >unsubscribe, change your list options or >>get your account info for >>nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs- >>l >>_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >_______ >>_ _______________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To >unsubscribe, change your list options or >>get your account info for >>nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs- >>l >>_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net > >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >>your account info for nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >>your account info for nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net >> > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com Mon Aug 13 00:04:07 2012 From: trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com (Winona) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 20:04:07 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A 200 Dollar Prize Up For Grabs And A Party InvitationJust For You Tonight Message-ID: <502844ad.145b650a.6842.1cc4@mx.google.com> Does this work with the Brationete Apex? Winona trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com "Work more hard then you ever worked. Sweat more then you have ever sweat. Be much more intense then you have ever been. BREATHE much more then you ever have. GET BETTER EVERY DAY. When you feel like you have put out everything. There is always one more ounce more you can give. PUSH." - Nick Barsuglia "Your horn is just an amplifier for the music inside you." - Robert W. Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dunphy" From David Dunphy, host of THe Djd Invasion and station manager, Audio Access FM http://www.audioaccessfm.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trumpetqueenw b%40gmail.com From carlymih at comcast.net Mon Aug 13 00:10:13 2012 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 17:10:13 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants In-Reply-To: References: <9EEEB32F499840C5BD5DAE001B2C42C3@OwnerPC> <7.0.1.0.2.20120812155653.01e15378@comcast.net> <170E9219C2164E71A3675D408B1467EC@OwnerPC> <7.0.1.0.2.20120812162219.01dcf628@comcast.net> <89714D9EB0C4417892E9707D9C3D1420@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20120812170119.01c728f0@comcast.net> Glad to see David's approach to giving, and receiving, assistance seems a bit healthier. Because, it is true, Ashley, in cases in which we are able to help which granted, are few, we do it gladly. When sighted people see the blind person struggling o do what he routinely takes for granted, instinctively, a first thing they wanna do is lend a hand. It's part of being a member of society. Fact is, you are lacking same access to the senses as everyone else, that's a fact. So, one would argue, there's nothing whatsoever wrong with accepting help, once in a while. Remember, ol' Sighty cares not about your motives for proving yourself by being completely, solo in this here world. Dodge wrote: >Try to feel grateful and not bad about asking people for help when they >give it to you. After all, people ask you for help in different situations >and you kindly give it to them too right? > >David >---------------------------------- >David Dodge >Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson >English Major >University at Buffalo >306 Clemens Hall >Buffalo, NY 14260 >daviddod at buffalo.edu > > >On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Ashley Bramlett >wrote: > > > true, I find other customers help me. I kind of feel bad about asking > > though and like it when they ask me first. > > I feel by asking, I'm kind of obligating them to help before going to > > their table or carrying their food away. > > Oh, well, I need the help. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Carly Mihalakis > > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 7:23 PM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; National > > Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants > > > > Hi, Ashley, > > > > If the personel behind the counter are > > too busy to help, other customers are often also > > more than happy to grab you a napkin or throw > > away your garbage./12/2012, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > > > >> Hi carley, In food courts, that is not always my experience. Perhaps its > >> where I live. Like you, I may plan ahead about the menu thing. For the > >> drinks thing, they do help me if I ask for > it, but they seem busy and I may > >> have to wait a few minutes. The staff are > busy taking orders, filling them, > >> and taking money from customers. Often, they just seem too busy to help > >> out; so, a friendly customer in line offers to assist me and I take it. > >> They read the drink options and I pick one I want. Some places have bottle > >> drinks and I find these easier. In this case, they can just hand me the > >> bottle as they hand me the food too. I'm glad you have found the staff > >> helpful because they should be as an accomodation. Ashley -----Original > >> Message----- From: Carly Mihalakis Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 7:02 PM > >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: > >> [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants Hi, Ashley, If I know I will > >> be visiting a particular restaurant who has > their menu Online, I definitely > >> read it, selecting what sounds good ahead of time. If such a menu is not > >> available I just ask the folks behind the counter, or on the floor to read > >> it. As for the food court, the host > personnel who seat me, are usually more > >> than happy to help out by carrying, even getting the drink. After all, > >> that's what there there for right? CarHi > all, Food courts are crowded noisy > >> places. They hand you the food on a tray. > But often the customer has to get > >> their own drink from a row of drink > spickits. I am talking about the row of > >> them where the cups are at the end and the drinks are gotten by pressing > >> something to release the liquid. So any tips > on them? How do you deal with > >> these drink areas? Does someone help you? I suppose you could memorize it > >> if you went there before. How do you find an empty table since your hands > >> are full with the tray, unless you ask someone to carry it for you. Then, > >> how do you find the trashcan? Do you explore > where the trashcans are before > >> you get your food? Do you ask someone to read the menu to you while in > >> line, or do it beforehand? Some venues have their menu online which I use > >> if possible; other times they don’t. Next, how do you deal with > >> restestaurants requiring you to order at the counter and pick it up at the > >> counter? A fast food place usually gives you the food right there at the > >> counter. You do not sit and wait. So that isn’t an issue. If I have to > >> say, waiwait for fries, I do so right at the > counter, as anyone else would. > >> Restaurants where you do this include: Johnny Rockets in some locations > >> deli places such as Philadelphia mikes Fudruckers Corner Bakery How do you > >> find the counter and locate your seat? For me, I’m not good at > >> revreversing routes, and all tables look the > same! I’m am asking since I > >> may order at such a restaurant with a blind friend and could use some tips > >> on this. Thanks. Ashley ______________________________**_________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/** > >> > listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.orgTo > unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > >> > carlymih%40comcast.net______________________________ > >> **_________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.orgTo > unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > >> > bookwormahb%40earthlink.net______________________________ > >> **_________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.orgTo > unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > >> > carlymih%40comcast.net > >> > > > > > > ______________________________**_________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > > > bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > ______________________________**_________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > > > daviddod%40buffalo.edu > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From member at linkedin.com Mon Aug 13 00:15:39 2012 From: member at linkedin.com (Kirt Manwaring via LinkedIn) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 00:15:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [nabs-l] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn Message-ID: <1931689734.8420896.1344816939432.JavaMail.app@ela4-app0133.prod> LinkedIn ------------ Kirt Manwaring requested to add you as a connection on LinkedIn: ------------------------------------------ Eric, I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. - Kirt Accept invitation from Kirt Manwaring http://www.linkedin.com/e/-qot5zu-h5sta7j7-63/2LScsQM0ZAGW3fi7AMe09Fk_pJsa/blk/I347169349_11/0UcDpKqiRzolZKqiRybmRSrCBvrmRLoORIrmkZt5YCpnlOt3RApnhMpmdzgmhxrSNBszYNclYVd3cVdz4Td3d9bPlJt3xgjkJbbPcTejkMcjcMczwLrCBxbOYWrSlI/eml-comm_invm-b-in_ac-inv28/?hs=false&tok=0kXC_u-usL0lo1 View profile of Kirt Manwaring http://www.linkedin.com/e/-qot5zu-h5sta7j7-63/rso/198614058/pQB_/name/85813888_I347169349_11/?hs=false&tok=1eWyIp-kYL0lo1 ------------------------------------------ You are receiving Invitation emails. 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Everyone has talents and knowledge and we are responsible for using them to help ourselves and others just like anyone else. David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 8:10 PM, Carly Mihalakis wrote: > Glad to see David's approach to giving, and receiving, assistance seems a > bit healthier. Because, it is true, Ashley, in cases in which we are able > to help which granted, are few, we do it gladly. When sighted people see > the blind person struggling o do what he routinely takes for granted, > instinctively, a first thing they wanna do is lend a hand. It's part of > being a member of society. > Fact is, you are lacking same access to the senses as everyone else, > that's a fact. So, one would argue, there's nothing whatsoever wrong with > accepting help, once in a while. Remember, ol' Sighty cares not about your > motives for proving yourself by being completely, solo in this here world. > Dodge wrote: > >> Try to feel grateful and not bad about asking people for help when they >> give it to you. After all, people ask you for help in different situations >> and you kindly give it to them too right? >> >> David >> ------------------------------**---- >> David Dodge >> Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson >> English Major >> University at Buffalo >> 306 Clemens Hall >> Buffalo, NY 14260 >> daviddod at buffalo.edu >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Ashley Bramlett >> **wrote: >> >> > true, I find other customers help me. I kind of feel bad about asking >> > though and like it when they ask me first. >> > I feel by asking, I'm kind of obligating them to help before going to >> > their table or carrying their food away. >> > Oh, well, I need the help. >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- From: Carly Mihalakis >> > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 7:23 PM >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; National >> > Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants >> > >> > Hi, Ashley, >> > >> > If the personel behind the counter are >> > too busy to help, other customers are often also >> > more than happy to grab you a napkin or throw >> > away your garbage./12/2012, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> > >> >> Hi carley, In food courts, that is not always my experience. Perhaps >> its >> >> where I live. Like you, I may plan ahead about the menu thing. For the >> >> drinks thing, they do help me if I ask for it, but they seem busy and >> I may >> >> have to wait a few minutes. The staff are busy taking orders, filling >> them, >> >> and taking money from customers. Often, they just seem too busy to help >> >> out; so, a friendly customer in line offers to assist me and I take it. >> >> They read the drink options and I pick one I want. Some places have >> bottle >> >> drinks and I find these easier. In this case, they can just hand me the >> >> bottle as they hand me the food too. I'm glad you have found the staff >> >> helpful because they should be as an accomodation. Ashley -----Original >> >> Message----- From: Carly Mihalakis Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 7:02 >> PM >> >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: >> >> [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants Hi, Ashley, If I know I >> will >> >> be visiting a particular restaurant who has their menu Online, I >> definitely >> >> read it, selecting what sounds good ahead of time. If such a menu is >> not >> >> available I just ask the folks behind the counter, or on the floor to >> read >> >> it. As for the food court, the host personnel who seat me, are usually >> more >> >> than happy to help out by carrying, even getting the drink. After all, >> >> that's what there there for right? CarHi all, Food courts are crowded >> noisy >> >> places. They hand you the food on a tray. But often the customer has >> to get >> >> their own drink from a row of drink spickits. I am talking about the >> row of >> >> them where the cups are at the end and the drinks are gotten by >> pressing >> >> something to release the liquid. So any tips on them? How do you deal >> with >> >> these drink areas? Does someone help you? I suppose you could memorize >> it >> >> if you went there before. How do you find an empty table since your >> hands >> >> are full with the tray, unless you ask someone to carry it for you. >> Then, >> >> how do you find the trashcan? Do you explore where the trashcans are >> before >> >> you get your food? Do you ask someone to read the menu to you while in >> >> line, or do it beforehand? Some venues have their menu online which I >> use >> >> if possible; other times they don’t. Next, how do you deal with >> >> restestaurants requiring you to order at the counter and pick it up at >> the >> >> counter? A fast food place usually gives you the food right there at >> the >> >> counter. You do not sit and wait. So that isn’t an issue. If I >> have to >> >> say, waiwait for fries, I do so right at the counter, as anyone else >> would. >> >> Restaurants where you do this include: Johnny Rockets in some locations >> >> deli places such as Philadelphia mikes Fudruckers Corner Bakery How do >> you >> >> find the counter and locate your seat? For me, I’m not good at >> >> revreversing routes, and all tables look the same! I’m am asking >> since I >> >> may order at such a restaurant with a blind friend and could use some >> tips >> >> on this. Thanks. Ashley ______________________________** >> **_________________ >> >> nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/** >> >> listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org>To >> unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> >> carlymih%40comcast.net> nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%**40comcast.net >> >________________**______________ >> >> **_________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >To >> unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> >> bookwormahb%40earthlink.net> options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >__**____________________________ >> >> **_________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >To >> unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> >> carlymih%40comcast.net> nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%**40comcast.net >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> > ______________________________****_________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> > >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> > bookwormahb%40earthlink.net> options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> > >> > >> > ______________________________****_________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> > >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> > daviddod%40buffalo.edu> nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%**40buffalo.edu >> > >> > >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> carlymih%40comcast.net >> > > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > daviddod%40buffalo.edu > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Aug 13 00:30:41 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 20:30:41 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants In-Reply-To: References: <9EEEB32F499840C5BD5DAE001B2C42C3@OwnerPC><7.0.1.0.2.20120812155653.01e15378@comcast.net><170E9219C2164E71A3675D408B1467EC@OwnerPC><7.0.1.0.2.20120812162219.01dcf628@comcast.net><89714D9EB0C4417892E9707D9C3D1420@OwnerPC> Message-ID: true, I help out too and I volunteer in the community. -----Original Message----- From: David Dodge Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 7:56 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants Try to feel grateful and not bad about asking people for help when they give it to you. After all, people ask you for help in different situations and you kindly give it to them too right? David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > true, I find other customers help me. I kind of feel bad about asking > though and like it when they ask me first. > I feel by asking, I'm kind of obligating them to help before going to > their table or carrying their food away. > Oh, well, I need the help. > > > -----Original Message----- From: Carly Mihalakis > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 7:23 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; National > Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants > > Hi, Ashley, > > If the personel behind the counter are > too busy to help, other customers are often also > more than happy to grab you a napkin or throw > away your garbage./12/2012, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > >> Hi carley, In food courts, that is not always my experience. Perhaps its >> where I live. Like you, I may plan ahead about the menu thing. For the >> drinks thing, they do help me if I ask for it, but they seem busy and I >> may >> have to wait a few minutes. The staff are busy taking orders, filling >> them, >> and taking money from customers. Often, they just seem too busy to help >> out; so, a friendly customer in line offers to assist me and I take it. >> They read the drink options and I pick one I want. Some places have >> bottle >> drinks and I find these easier. In this case, they can just hand me the >> bottle as they hand me the food too. I'm glad you have found the staff >> helpful because they should be as an accomodation. Ashley -----Original >> Message----- From: Carly Mihalakis Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 7:02 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: >> [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants Hi, Ashley, If I know I will >> be visiting a particular restaurant who has their menu Online, I >> definitely >> read it, selecting what sounds good ahead of time. If such a menu is not >> available I just ask the folks behind the counter, or on the floor to >> read >> it. As for the food court, the host personnel who seat me, are usually >> more >> than happy to help out by carrying, even getting the drink. After all, >> that's what there there for right? CarHi all, Food courts are crowded >> noisy >> places. They hand you the food on a tray. But often the customer has to >> get >> their own drink from a row of drink spickits. I am talking about the row >> of >> them where the cups are at the end and the drinks are gotten by pressing >> something to release the liquid. So any tips on them? How do you deal >> with >> these drink areas? Does someone help you? I suppose you could memorize it >> if you went there before. How do you find an empty table since your hands >> are full with the tray, unless you ask someone to carry it for you. Then, >> how do you find the trashcan? Do you explore where the trashcans are >> before >> you get your food? Do you ask someone to read the menu to you while in >> line, or do it beforehand? Some venues have their menu online which I use >> if possible; other times they don’t. Next, how do you deal with >> restestaurants requiring you to order at the counter and pick it up at >> the >> counter? A fast food place usually gives you the food right there at the >> counter. You do not sit and wait. So that isn’t an issue. If I have >> to >> say, waiwait for fries, I do so right at the counter, as anyone else >> would. >> Restaurants where you do this include: Johnny Rockets in some locations >> deli places such as Philadelphia mikes Fudruckers Corner Bakery How do >> you >> find the counter and locate your seat? For me, I’m not good at >> revreversing routes, and all tables look the same! I’m am asking since >> I >> may order at such a restaurant with a blind friend and could use some >> tips >> on this. Thanks. Ashley ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/** >> listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.orgTo >> unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> carlymih%40comcast.net______________________________ >> **_________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.orgTo >> unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> bookwormahb%40earthlink.net______________________________ >> **_________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.orgTo >> unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> carlymih%40comcast.net >> > > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > daviddod%40buffalo.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From carlymih at comcast.net Mon Aug 13 00:37:21 2012 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 17:37:21 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants In-Reply-To: References: <9EEEB32F499840C5BD5DAE001B2C42C3@OwnerPC> <7.0.1.0.2.20120812155653.01e15378@comcast.net> <170E9219C2164E71A3675D408B1467EC@OwnerPC> <7.0.1.0.2.20120812162219.01dcf628@comcast.net> <89714D9EB0C4417892E9707D9C3D1420@OwnerPC> <7.0.1.0.2.20120812170119.01c728f0@comcast.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20120812173055.01c912b8@comcast.net> Hi, David, It is true, we do help when we are able, like by widening people's threshholds, and convictions, and expanding what is believed to be possible, yet, the ways in which we are able to help, often are not as immediate as the kind of momentary, on-the-spot,help from which we are likely to benefit. Does that happened to make any kind of sense?wrote: >Thanks, Carly. But, I would even say our chances to help others are more >than just few. Everyone has talents and knowledge and we are responsible >for using them to help ourselves and others just like anyone else. > >David >---------------------------------- >David Dodge >Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson >English Major >University at Buffalo >306 Clemens Hall >Buffalo, NY 14260 >daviddod at buffalo.edu > > >On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 8:10 PM, Carly Mihalakis wrote: > > > Glad to see David's approach to giving, and receiving, assistance seems a > > bit healthier. Because, it is true, Ashley, in cases in which we are able > > to help which granted, are few, we do it gladly. When sighted people see > > the blind person struggling o do what he routinely takes for granted, > > instinctively, a first thing they wanna do is lend a hand. It's part of > > being a member of society. > > Fact is, you are lacking same access to the senses as everyone else, > > that's a fact. So, one would argue, there's nothing whatsoever wrong with > > accepting help, once in a while. Remember, ol' Sighty cares not about your > > motives for proving yourself by being completely, solo in this here world. > > Dodge wrote: > > > >> Try to feel grateful and not bad about asking people for help when they > >> give it to you. After all, people ask you for help in different situations > >> and you kindly give it to them too right? > >> > >> David > >> ------------------------------**---- > >> David Dodge > >> Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson > >> English Major > >> University at Buffalo > >> 306 Clemens Hall > >> Buffalo, NY 14260 > >> daviddod at buffalo.edu > >> > >> > >> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Ashley Bramlett > >> **wrote: > >> > >> > true, I find other customers help me. I kind of feel bad about asking > >> > though and like it when they ask me first. > >> > I feel by asking, I'm kind of obligating them to help before going to > >> > their table or carrying their food away. > >> > Oh, well, I need the help. > >> > > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- From: Carly Mihalakis > >> > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 7:23 PM > >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; National > >> > Association of Blind Students mailing list > >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants > >> > > >> > Hi, Ashley, > >> > > >> > If the personel behind the counter are > >> > too busy to help, other customers are often also > >> > more than happy to grab you a napkin or throw > >> > away your garbage./12/2012, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > >> > > >> >> Hi carley, In food courts, that is not always my experience. Perhaps > >> its > >> >> where I live. Like you, I may plan ahead about the menu thing. For the > >> >> drinks thing, they do help me if I ask for it, but they seem busy and > >> I may > >> >> have to wait a few minutes. The staff are busy taking orders, filling > >> them, > >> >> and taking money from customers. Often, they just seem too busy to help > >> >> out; so, a friendly customer in line offers to assist me and I take it. > >> >> They read the drink options and I pick one I want. Some places have > >> bottle > >> >> drinks and I find these easier. In this case, they can just hand me the > >> >> bottle as they hand me the food too. I'm glad you have found the staff > >> >> helpful because they should be as an accomodation. Ashley -----Original > >> >> Message----- From: Carly Mihalakis Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 7:02 > >> PM > >> >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: > >> >> [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants Hi, Ashley, If I know I > >> will > >> >> be visiting a particular restaurant who has their menu Online, I > >> definitely > >> >> read it, selecting what sounds good ahead of time. If such a menu is > >> not > >> >> available I just ask the folks behind the counter, or on the floor to > >> read > >> >> it. As for the food court, the host personnel who seat me, are usually > >> more > >> >> than happy to help out by carrying, even getting the drink. After all, > >> >> that's what there there for right? CarHi all, Food courts are crowded > >> noisy > >> >> places. They hand you the food on a tray. But often the customer has > >> to get > >> >> their own drink from a row of drink spickits. I am talking about the > >> row of > >> >> them where the cups are at the end and the drinks are gotten by > >> pressing > >> >> something to release the liquid. So any tips on them? How do you deal > >> with > >> >> these drink areas? Does someone help you? I suppose you could memorize > >> it > >> >> if you went there before. How do you find an empty table since your > >> hands > >> >> are full with the tray, unless you ask someone to carry it for you. > >> Then, > >> >> how do you find the trashcan? Do you explore where the trashcans are > >> before > >> >> you get your food? Do you ask someone to read the menu to you while in > >> >> line, or do it beforehand? Some venues have their menu online which I > >> use > >> >> if possible; other times they don’t. Next, how do you deal with > >> >> restestaurants requiring you to order at the counter and pick it up at > >> the > >> >> counter? A fast food place usually gives you the food right there at > >> the > >> >> counter. You do not sit and wait. So that isn’t an issue. If I > >> have to > >> >> say, waiwait for fries, I do so right at the counter, as anyone else > >> would. > >> >> Restaurants where you do this include: Johnny Rockets in some locations > >> >> deli places such as Philadelphia mikes Fudruckers Corner Bakery How do > >> you > >> >> find the counter and locate your seat? For me, I’m not good at > >> >> revreversing routes, and all tables look the same! I’m am asking > >> since I > >> >> may order at such a restaurant with a blind friend and could use some > >> tips > >> >> on this. Thanks. Ashley ______________________________** > >> **_________________ > >> >> nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/** > >> >> listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org>To > >> unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> >> nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > >> >> > carlymih%40comcast.net> > nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%**40comcast.net > >> >________________**______________ > >> >> **_________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> > >To > >> unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> >> nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > >> >> bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> > options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > >> >__**____________________________ > >> >> **_________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> > >To > >> unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> >> nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > >> >> > carlymih%40comcast.net> > nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%**40comcast.net > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > ______________________________****_________________ > >> > nabs-l mailing list > >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> > > >> > > >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> > nabs-l: > >> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > >> > bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> > options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > >> > > >> > > >> > ______________________________****_________________ > >> > nabs-l mailing list > >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> > > >> > > >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> > nabs-l: > >> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > >> > > daviddod%40buffalo.edu> > nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%**40buffalo.edu > >> > > >> > > >> ______________________________**_________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > >> > carlymih%40comcast.net > >> > > > > > > ______________________________**_________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > > > daviddod%40buffalo.edu > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Aug 13 00:39:24 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 20:39:24 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants In-Reply-To: References: <9EEEB32F499840C5BD5DAE001B2C42C3@OwnerPC><7.0.1.0.2.20120812155653.01e15378@comcast.net><170E9219C2164E71A3675D408B1467EC@OwnerPC><7.0.1.0.2.20120812162219.01dcf628@comcast.net><89714D9EB0C4417892E9707D9C3D1420@OwnerPC><7.0.1.0.2.20120812170119.01c728f0@comcast.net> Message-ID: While I do help in other ways, I still feel awkward about going up to a busy stranger asking for help although I do it. Keep in mind what they are doing. They are ordering their food probably on a lunch break and if they are not working, they probably want a quick bite to go elsewhere. After all, if they're not in a hurry, they may as well have gone to a sit down restaurant. They have kids or husbands to meet at the table; if eating there, they want to run to a table just as everyone else does as space is limited. So, its just that I feel I'm intruding; sometimes they say they are in a hurry or turn to someone else and say "can you help that girl?" I don't mind; after all, they need to get on to eat and cannot help me but find someone who can. One thing I try to do is listen for the drink area and move to this counter and get help there. After all everyone is filling their cups there and might be able to help me more easily. After people pay, they are running off to a table. Any tips on finding seats? I usually just look for them and listen for people; if I hear people at a table, I do not head there. If someone wants to either carry my tray or guide me to a table, I gladly take it since I just want to sit down, not wander around looking for a seat while my food gets cold. How do you find your table if you have to fetch your food at the counter when its ready? I guess I'd use a landmark to find my table and count tables. -----Original Message----- From: David Dodge Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 8:18 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants Thanks, Carly. But, I would even say our chances to help others are more than just few. Everyone has talents and knowledge and we are responsible for using them to help ourselves and others just like anyone else. David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 8:10 PM, Carly Mihalakis wrote: > Glad to see David's approach to giving, and receiving, assistance seems a > bit healthier. Because, it is true, Ashley, in cases in which we are able > to help which granted, are few, we do it gladly. When sighted people see > the blind person struggling o do what he routinely takes for granted, > instinctively, a first thing they wanna do is lend a hand. It's part of > being a member of society. > Fact is, you are lacking same access to the senses as everyone else, > that's a fact. So, one would argue, there's nothing whatsoever wrong with > accepting help, once in a while. Remember, ol' Sighty cares not about your > motives for proving yourself by being completely, solo in this here world. > Dodge wrote: > >> Try to feel grateful and not bad about asking people for help when they >> give it to you. After all, people ask you for help in different >> situations >> and you kindly give it to them too right? >> >> David >> ------------------------------**---- >> David Dodge >> Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson >> English Major >> University at Buffalo >> 306 Clemens Hall >> Buffalo, NY 14260 >> daviddod at buffalo.edu >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Ashley Bramlett >> **wrote: >> >> > true, I find other customers help me. I kind of feel bad about asking >> > though and like it when they ask me first. >> > I feel by asking, I'm kind of obligating them to help before going to >> > their table or carrying their food away. >> > Oh, well, I need the help. >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- From: Carly Mihalakis >> > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 7:23 PM >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; National >> > Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants >> > >> > Hi, Ashley, >> > >> > If the personel behind the counter are >> > too busy to help, other customers are often also >> > more than happy to grab you a napkin or throw >> > away your garbage./12/2012, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> > >> >> Hi carley, In food courts, that is not always my experience. Perhaps >> its >> >> where I live. Like you, I may plan ahead about the menu thing. For the >> >> drinks thing, they do help me if I ask for it, but they seem busy and >> I may >> >> have to wait a few minutes. The staff are busy taking orders, filling >> them, >> >> and taking money from customers. Often, they just seem too busy to >> >> help >> >> out; so, a friendly customer in line offers to assist me and I take >> >> it. >> >> They read the drink options and I pick one I want. Some places have >> bottle >> >> drinks and I find these easier. In this case, they can just hand me >> >> the >> >> bottle as they hand me the food too. I'm glad you have found the staff >> >> helpful because they should be as an accomodation. >> >> Ashley -----Original >> >> Message----- From: Carly Mihalakis Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 7:02 >> PM >> >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: >> >> [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants Hi, Ashley, If I know I >> will >> >> be visiting a particular restaurant who has their menu Online, I >> definitely >> >> read it, selecting what sounds good ahead of time. If such a menu is >> not >> >> available I just ask the folks behind the counter, or on the floor to >> read >> >> it. As for the food court, the host personnel who seat me, are usually >> more >> >> than happy to help out by carrying, even getting the drink. After all, >> >> that's what there there for right? CarHi all, Food courts are crowded >> noisy >> >> places. They hand you the food on a tray. But often the customer has >> to get >> >> their own drink from a row of drink spickits. I am talking about the >> row of >> >> them where the cups are at the end and the drinks are gotten by >> pressing >> >> something to release the liquid. So any tips on them? How do you deal >> with >> >> these drink areas? Does someone help you? I suppose you could memorize >> it >> >> if you went there before. How do you find an empty table since your >> hands >> >> are full with the tray, unless you ask someone to carry it for you. >> Then, >> >> how do you find the trashcan? Do you explore where the trashcans are >> before >> >> you get your food? Do you ask someone to read the menu to you while in >> >> line, or do it beforehand? Some venues have their menu online which I >> use >> >> if possible; other times they don’t. Next, how do you deal with >> >> restestaurants requiring you to order at the counter and pick it up at >> the >> >> counter? A fast food place usually gives you the food right there at >> the >> >> counter. You do not sit and wait. So that isn’t an issue. If I >> have to >> >> say, waiwait for fries, I do so right at the counter, as anyone else >> would. >> >> Restaurants where you do this include: Johnny Rockets in some >> >> locations >> >> deli places such as Philadelphia mikes Fudruckers Corner Bakery How do >> you >> >> find the counter and locate your seat? For me, I’m not good at >> >> revreversing routes, and all tables look the same! I’m am asking >> since I >> >> may order at such a restaurant with a blind friend and could use some >> tips >> >> on this. Thanks. 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However, I would argue that immediate help is rarely as valuable or enduring as that help which takes time. David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 8:37 PM, Carly Mihalakis wrote: > Hi, David, > > It is true, we do help when we are able, like by widening people's > threshholds, and convictions, and expanding what is believed to be > possible, yet, the ways in which we are able to help, often are not as > immediate as the kind of momentary, on-the-spot,help from which we are > likely to benefit. Does that happened to make any kind of sense?wrote: > >> Thanks, Carly. But, I would even say our chances to help others are more >> than just few. Everyone has talents and knowledge and we are responsible >> for using them to help ourselves and others just like anyone else. >> >> David >> ------------------------------**---- >> David Dodge >> Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson >> English Major >> University at Buffalo >> 306 Clemens Hall >> Buffalo, NY 14260 >> daviddod at buffalo.edu >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 8:10 PM, Carly Mihalakis > >wrote: >> >> > Glad to see David's approach to giving, and receiving, assistance seems >> a >> > bit healthier. Because, it is true, Ashley, in cases in which we are >> able >> > to help which granted, are few, we do it gladly. When sighted people see >> > the blind person struggling o do what he routinely takes for granted, >> > instinctively, a first thing they wanna do is lend a hand. It's part of >> > being a member of society. >> > Fact is, you are lacking same access to the senses as everyone else, >> > that's a fact. So, one would argue, there's nothing whatsoever wrong >> with >> > accepting help, once in a while. Remember, ol' Sighty cares not about >> your >> > motives for proving yourself by being completely, solo in this here >> world. >> > Dodge wrote: >> > >> >> Try to feel grateful and not bad about asking people for help when they >> >> give it to you. After all, people ask you for help in different >> situations >> >> and you kindly give it to them too right? >> >> >> >> David >> >> ------------------------------****---- >> >> David Dodge >> >> Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson >> >> English Major >> >> University at Buffalo >> >> 306 Clemens Hall >> >> Buffalo, NY 14260 >> >> daviddod at buffalo.edu >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Ashley Bramlett >> >> ****wrote: >> >> >> >> > true, I find other customers help me. I kind of feel bad about asking >> >> > though and like it when they ask me first. >> >> > I feel by asking, I'm kind of obligating them to help before going to >> >> > their table or carrying their food away. >> >> > Oh, well, I need the help. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -----Original Message----- From: Carly Mihalakis >> >> > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 7:23 PM >> >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; National >> >> > Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants >> >> > >> >> > Hi, Ashley, >> >> > >> >> > If the personel behind the counter are >> >> > too busy to help, other customers are often also >> >> > more than happy to grab you a napkin or throw >> >> > away your garbage./12/2012, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> Hi carley, In food courts, that is not always my experience. Perhaps >> >> its >> >> >> where I live. Like you, I may plan ahead about the menu thing. For >> the >> >> >> drinks thing, they do help me if I ask for it, but they seem busy >> and >> >> I may >> >> >> have to wait a few minutes. The staff are busy taking orders, >> filling >> >> them, >> >> >> and taking money from customers. Often, they just seem too busy to >> help >> >> >> out; so, a friendly customer in line offers to assist me and I take >> it. >> >> >> They read the drink options and I pick one I want. Some places have >> >> bottle >> >> >> drinks and I find these easier. In this case, they can just hand me >> the >> >> >> bottle as they hand me the food too. I'm glad you have found the >> staff >> >> >> helpful because they should be as an accomodation. Ashley >> -----Original >> >> >> Message----- From: Carly Mihalakis Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 >> 7:02 >> >> PM >> >> >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: >> >> >> [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants Hi, Ashley, If I know I >> >> will >> >> >> be visiting a particular restaurant who has their menu Online, I >> >> definitely >> >> >> read it, selecting what sounds good ahead of time. If such a menu is >> >> not >> >> >> available I just ask the folks behind the counter, or on the floor >> to >> >> read >> >> >> it. As for the food court, the host personnel who seat me, are >> usually >> >> more >> >> >> than happy to help out by carrying, even getting the drink. After >> all, >> >> >> that's what there there for right? CarHi all, Food courts are >> crowded >> >> noisy >> >> >> places. They hand you the food on a tray. But often the customer has >> >> to get >> >> >> their own drink from a row of drink spickits. I am talking about the >> >> row of >> >> >> them where the cups are at the end and the drinks are gotten by >> >> pressing >> >> >> something to release the liquid. So any tips on them? How do you >> deal >> >> with >> >> >> these drink areas? Does someone help you? I suppose you could >> memorize >> >> it >> >> >> if you went there before. How do you find an empty table since your >> >> hands >> >> >> are full with the tray, unless you ask someone to carry it for you. >> >> Then, >> >> >> how do you find the trashcan? Do you explore where the trashcans are >> >> before >> >> >> you get your food? Do you ask someone to read the menu to you while >> in >> >> >> line, or do it beforehand? Some venues have their menu online which >> I >> >> use >> >> >> if possible; other times they don’t. Next, how do you deal with >> >> >> restestaurants requiring you to order at the counter and pick it up >> at >> >> the >> >> >> counter? A fast food place usually gives you the food right there at >> >> the >> >> >> counter. You do not sit and wait. So that isn’t an issue. If I >> >> have to >> >> >> say, waiwait for fries, I do so right at the counter, as anyone else >> >> would. >> >> >> Restaurants where you do this include: Johnny Rockets in some >> locations >> >> >> deli places such as Philadelphia mikes Fudruckers Corner Bakery How >> do >> >> you >> >> >> find the counter and locate your seat? For me, I’m not good at >> >> >> revreversing routes, and all tables look the same! I’m am asking >> >> since I >> >> >> may order at such a restaurant with a blind friend and could use >> some >> >> tips >> >> >> on this. Thanks. 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That is, I'm not alone I'm going with one other person or a group of other people. This way, I can ask them for some guidance if I need it. If this isn't the case and I am alone I definitely do use any landmarks or really just say to someone can you assist me in finding a seat. Not sure there is any better way. David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 8:39 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > While I do help in other ways, I still feel awkward about going up to a > busy stranger asking for help although I do it. > Keep in mind what they are doing. They are ordering their food probably > on a lunch break and if they are not working, they probably want a quick > bite to go elsewhere. After all, if they're not in a hurry, they may as > well have gone to a sit down restaurant. > They have kids or husbands to meet at the table; if eating there, they > want to run to a table just as everyone else does as space is limited. > So, its just that I feel I'm intruding; sometimes they say they are in a > hurry or turn to someone else and say "can you help that girl?" I don't > mind; after all, they need to get on to eat and cannot help me but find > someone who can. One thing I try to do is listen for the drink area and > move to this counter and get help there. After all everyone is filling > their cups there and might be able to help me more easily. After people > pay, they are running off to a table. > > Any tips on finding seats? I usually just look for them and listen for > people; if I hear people at a table, I do not head there. If someone wants > to either carry my tray or guide me to a table, I gladly take it since I > just want to sit down, not wander around looking for a seat while my food > gets cold. > How do you find your table if you have to fetch your food at the counter > when its ready? I guess I'd use a landmark to find my table and count > tables. > > -----Original Message----- From: David Dodge > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 8:18 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants > > Thanks, Carly. But, I would even say our chances to help others are more > than just few. Everyone has talents and knowledge and we are responsible > for using them to help ourselves and others just like anyone else. > > David > ------------------------------**---- > David Dodge > Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson > English Major > University at Buffalo > 306 Clemens Hall > Buffalo, NY 14260 > daviddod at buffalo.edu > > > On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 8:10 PM, Carly Mihalakis >wrote: > > Glad to see David's approach to giving, and receiving, assistance seems a >> bit healthier. Because, it is true, Ashley, in cases in which we are able >> to help which granted, are few, we do it gladly. When sighted people see >> the blind person struggling o do what he routinely takes for granted, >> instinctively, a first thing they wanna do is lend a hand. It's part of >> being a member of society. >> Fact is, you are lacking same access to the senses as everyone else, >> that's a fact. So, one would argue, there's nothing whatsoever wrong with >> accepting help, once in a while. Remember, ol' Sighty cares not about your >> motives for proving yourself by being completely, solo in this here world. >> Dodge wrote: >> >> Try to feel grateful and not bad about asking people for help when they >>> give it to you. After all, people ask you for help in different >>> situations >>> and you kindly give it to them too right? >>> >>> David >>> ------------------------------****---- >>> David Dodge >>> Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson >>> English Major >>> University at Buffalo >>> 306 Clemens Hall >>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Ashley Bramlett >>> ****wrote: >>> >>> > true, I find other customers help me. I kind of feel bad about asking >>> > though and like it when they ask me first. >>> > I feel by asking, I'm kind of obligating them to help before going to >>> > their table or carrying their food away. >>> > Oh, well, I need the help. >>> > >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- From: Carly Mihalakis >>> > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 7:23 PM >>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; National >>> > Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants >>> > >>> > Hi, Ashley, >>> > >>> > If the personel behind the counter are >>> > too busy to help, other customers are often also >>> > more than happy to grab you a napkin or throw >>> > away your garbage./12/2012, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> > >>> >> Hi carley, In food courts, that is not always my experience. Perhaps >>> its >>> >> where I live. Like you, I may plan ahead about the menu thing. For the >>> >> drinks thing, they do help me if I ask for it, but they seem busy and >>> I may >>> >> have to wait a few minutes. The staff are busy taking orders, filling >>> them, >>> >> and taking money from customers. Often, they just seem too busy to >> >>> help >>> >> out; so, a friendly customer in line offers to assist me and I take >>> >> it. >>> >> They read the drink options and I pick one I want. Some places have >>> bottle >>> >> drinks and I find these easier. In this case, they can just hand me >>> >> the >>> >> bottle as they hand me the food too. I'm glad you have found the staff >>> >> helpful because they should be as an accomodation. >> Ashley >>> -----Original >>> >> Message----- From: Carly Mihalakis Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 7:02 >>> PM >>> >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: >>> >> [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants Hi, Ashley, If I know I >>> will >>> >> be visiting a particular restaurant who has their menu Online, I >>> definitely >>> >> read it, selecting what sounds good ahead of time. If such a menu is >>> not >>> >> available I just ask the folks behind the counter, or on the floor to >>> read >>> >> it. As for the food court, the host personnel who seat me, are usually >>> more >>> >> than happy to help out by carrying, even getting the drink. After all, >>> >> that's what there there for right? CarHi all, Food courts are crowded >>> noisy >>> >> places. They hand you the food on a tray. But often the customer has >>> to get >>> >> their own drink from a row of drink spickits. I am talking about the >>> row of >>> >> them where the cups are at the end and the drinks are gotten by >>> pressing >>> >> something to release the liquid. So any tips on them? How do you deal >>> with >>> >> these drink areas? Does someone help you? I suppose you could memorize >>> it >>> >> if you went there before. How do you find an empty table since your >>> hands >>> >> are full with the tray, unless you ask someone to carry it for you. >>> Then, >>> >> how do you find the trashcan? Do you explore where the trashcans are >>> before >>> >> you get your food? Do you ask someone to read the menu to you while in >>> >> line, or do it beforehand? Some venues have their menu online which I >>> use >>> >> if possible; other times they don’t. Next, how do you deal with >>> >> restestaurants requiring you to order at the counter and pick it up at >>> the >>> >> counter? A fast food place usually gives you the food right there at >>> the >>> >> counter. You do not sit and wait. So that isn’t an issue. If I >>> have to >>> >> say, waiwait for fries, I do so right at the counter, as anyone else >>> would. >>> >> Restaurants where you do this include: Johnny Rockets in some >> >>> locations >>> >> deli places such as Philadelphia mikes Fudruckers Corner Bakery How do >>> you >>> >> find the counter and locate your seat? For me, I’m not good at >>> >> revreversing routes, and all tables look the same! I’m am asking >>> since I >>> >> may order at such a restaurant with a blind friend and could use some >>> tips >>> >> on this. Thanks. 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mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > daviddod%40buffalo.edu > From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Mon Aug 13 00:52:49 2012 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 18:52:49 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants Message-ID: <50284fe3.d110320a.2983.ffffb873@mx.google.com> If=20the=20menu=20is=20not=20available=20online,=20one=20tip=20I'd=20recomm= end=20is=20to=20 have=20the=20customer=20service=20people=20read=20it=20for=20you.=20=20IF=20= it's=20not=20 available=20to=20you=20in=20an=20accessible=20format,=20the=20customer=20se= rvice=20 people,=20according=20to=20a=20besft=20frind=20of=20mine,=20should=20read=20= it=20out.=20=20 I'm=20becoming=20impressed=20with=20some=20Chinese=20food=20places=20becaus= e=20 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Beth =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20"Ashley=20Bramlett"=20 Have=20you=20checked=20out=20Panda=20Express?=20=20Man,=20they=20are=20so=20= good,=20and=20I=20 want=20to=20say=20their=20customer=20service=20is=20excellent,=20the=20ones= =20in=20 Colorado=20that=20is.=20=20They=20speak=20English=20fluently=20and=20are=20= really=20 happy=20to=20help=20you=20any=20time. Beth =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20Carly=20Mihalakis=20 Hi everyone, I have recently joined the list and wanted to introduce myself. My name is Danielle and I live in New Jersey. I am a sophomore in high school. I look forward to taking part in future discussions. Danielle From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com Mon Aug 13 01:16:43 2012 From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt Manwaring) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 19:16:43 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants In-Reply-To: References: <9EEEB32F499840C5BD5DAE001B2C42C3@OwnerPC> <7.0.1.0.2.20120812155653.01e15378@comcast.net> <170E9219C2164E71A3675D408B1467EC@OwnerPC> <7.0.1.0.2.20120812162219.01dcf628@comcast.net> <89714D9EB0C4417892E9707D9C3D1420@OwnerPC> <7.0.1.0.2.20120812170119.01c728f0@comcast.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20120812173055.01c912b8@comcast.net> Message-ID: Ashley, I think most of us have experienced this frustration, to a certain degree. We all have our own ways of dealing with it; I'll tell you what I try and do because, mostly, it works for me. I'm not trying to shove "rebellious independence" down your throat, I'm not saying what works for me will necessarily work for you, but I am saying that I've learned I don't need to have someone there every step of the way guiding me. First, I like to hold my tray in one hand and my cane in the other. This takes practice, I'm still not a pro at it, but after learning and trying the technique for a while I've figured out how to hold a tray, a drink, and a cane all fairly comfortably. LIke I said, it takes some getting used to and it doesn't come over night; it took months at a training center for me to become halfway competent doing it, but it works for me. This does, however, mean I'm not taking somebody's arm if I'm doing it that way. Of course I have someone help me get my dang drink when I order (I suppose I could just randomly test all the drinks until I stumbled upon the right one, but I'm having a hard time fathoming why the hell anybody would want to do that), but I don't really have to go that far out of the way. In fact, most of the time, the person behind the counter offers to just take my drink and fill it for me; I usually politely refuse and ask the kindhearted worker to show me what button I have to push to get the drink I want. In the rare event the cashier just hands me my cup without offering to help (very rare indeed), I listen to where I hear ice clinking in to cups and walk over that way. Nine times out of ten, (maybe even nineteen out of twenty) someone is there and I can just ask that person to help me know what drink is what. As for finding a table, I often just walk around until I bump in to one with my cane. I can usually hear where people are sitting and eating, so I'm not just wandering aimlessly. If I can't find one (or if someone finds me first), I'll ask to be pointed towards an empty table and I'll walk in the direction I'm pointed until I find a place to sit. If someone decides to grab me and take me to an open seat, I'll either make a fool of myself telling the person I'm really ok and I can find it or, sometimes, I just ask them to walk a couple steps in front of me and guide me that way. I usually don't like someone taking my arm unless that person is a close friend who I know I can trust; there are, however, a few acceptions to this rule. (I just showed up to the airport with minutes to spare before my flight home; I had no problem taking the arm of a stranger because I didn't know the area and I didn't have the time to figure it out.) As far as asking for help goes, I do it all the time! Usually, if I'm eating a meal in a food court by myself and I'm done, I'll try and find somebody if I couldn't hear people throwing things away. (most of the time I can't; I'm not that skilled yet! :)) Anyways, that person could either be someone I hear talking at a table or someone behind the counter at a restaurant. I'll say something like "would you mind pointing me to the nearest garbage?" If they offer to take my trash for me, I usually thank them and let them take it. If they do what I asked and point me, then off I go, usually with people giving me directions as I go if I can't find the dang thing. (which is happening less and less, thanks to some fantastic training.) But, most importantly, don't stress about it! If you feel really awkward, chances are it'll show and the people around you will feel even more awkward in kind. If, however, you are confident and enjoying yourself, however you choose to do it, people will generally be more responsive and helpful. Oh, one last thing that I learned in training. (I feel like an idiot for not thinking of this before) If you aren't sure where someone is directing you, point to where you think it is. That way people will be able to confirm that you are right or just move your hand so you're pointing in the right way. That also works, sometimes, when people seem to not feel comfortable giving you directions. Simply point somewhere (even somewhere random if you have no clue) and ask, with a smile, "you mean that way?" Then, all of a sudden, people know how to explain it to you. I hope I'm not coming off as dedactic or self-rightious. I don't intend to. I guess alll I'm trying to say is I've found a way that works for me, find one that works for you (whatever it is)and enjoy yourself! That is, after all, the point. Right? Best, Kirt On 8/12/12, David Dodge wrote: > It makes a great deal of sense. However, I would argue that immediate help > is rarely as valuable or enduring as that help which takes time. > > David > ---------------------------------- > David Dodge > Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson > English Major > University at Buffalo > 306 Clemens Hall > Buffalo, NY 14260 > daviddod at buffalo.edu > > > On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 8:37 PM, Carly Mihalakis > wrote: > >> Hi, David, >> >> It is true, we do help when we are able, like by widening people's >> threshholds, and convictions, and expanding what is believed to be >> possible, yet, the ways in which we are able to help, often are not as >> immediate as the kind of momentary, on-the-spot,help from which we are >> likely to benefit. Does that happened to make any kind of sense?wrote: >> >>> Thanks, Carly. But, I would even say our chances to help others are more >>> than just few. Everyone has talents and knowledge and we are responsible >>> for using them to help ourselves and others just like anyone else. >>> >>> David >>> ------------------------------**---- >>> David Dodge >>> Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson >>> English Major >>> University at Buffalo >>> 306 Clemens Hall >>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 8:10 PM, Carly Mihalakis >> >wrote: >>> >>> > Glad to see David's approach to giving, and receiving, assistance >>> > seems >>> a >>> > bit healthier. Because, it is true, Ashley, in cases in which we are >>> able >>> > to help which granted, are few, we do it gladly. When sighted people >>> > see >>> > the blind person struggling o do what he routinely takes for granted, >>> > instinctively, a first thing they wanna do is lend a hand. It's part >>> > of >>> > being a member of society. >>> > Fact is, you are lacking same access to the senses as everyone else, >>> > that's a fact. So, one would argue, there's nothing whatsoever wrong >>> with >>> > accepting help, once in a while. Remember, ol' Sighty cares not about >>> your >>> > motives for proving yourself by being completely, solo in this here >>> world. >>> > Dodge wrote: >>> > >>> >> Try to feel grateful and not bad about asking people for help when >>> >> they >>> >> give it to you. After all, people ask you for help in different >>> situations >>> >> and you kindly give it to them too right? >>> >> >>> >> David >>> >> ------------------------------****---- >>> >> David Dodge >>> >> Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson >>> >> English Major >>> >> University at Buffalo >>> >> 306 Clemens Hall >>> >> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>> >> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Ashley Bramlett >>> >> ****wrote: >>> >> >>> >> > true, I find other customers help me. I kind of feel bad about >>> >> > asking >>> >> > though and like it when they ask me first. >>> >> > I feel by asking, I'm kind of obligating them to help before going >>> >> > to >>> >> > their table or carrying their food away. >>> >> > Oh, well, I need the help. >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > -----Original Message----- From: Carly Mihalakis >>> >> > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 7:23 PM >>> >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; National >>> >> > Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants >>> >> > >>> >> > Hi, Ashley, >>> >> > >>> >> > If the personel behind the counter are >>> >> > too busy to help, other customers are often also >>> >> > more than happy to grab you a napkin or throw >>> >> > away your garbage./12/2012, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> >> > >>> >> >> Hi carley, In food courts, that is not always my experience. >>> >> >> Perhaps >>> >> its >>> >> >> where I live. Like you, I may plan ahead about the menu thing. For >>> the >>> >> >> drinks thing, they do help me if I ask for it, but they seem busy >>> and >>> >> I may >>> >> >> have to wait a few minutes. The staff are busy taking orders, >>> filling >>> >> them, >>> >> >> and taking money from customers. Often, they just seem too busy to >>> help >>> >> >> out; so, a friendly customer in line offers to assist me and I >>> >> >> take >>> it. >>> >> >> They read the drink options and I pick one I want. Some places >>> >> >> have >>> >> bottle >>> >> >> drinks and I find these easier. In this case, they can just hand >>> >> >> me >>> the >>> >> >> bottle as they hand me the food too. I'm glad you have found the >>> staff >>> >> >> helpful because they should be as an accomodation. Ashley >>> -----Original >>> >> >> Message----- From: Carly Mihalakis Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 >>> 7:02 >>> >> PM >>> >> >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: >>> >> >> Re: >>> >> >> [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants Hi, Ashley, If I know >>> >> >> I >>> >> will >>> >> >> be visiting a particular restaurant who has their menu Online, I >>> >> definitely >>> >> >> read it, selecting what sounds good ahead of time. If such a menu >>> >> >> is >>> >> not >>> >> >> available I just ask the folks behind the counter, or on the floor >>> to >>> >> read >>> >> >> it. As for the food court, the host personnel who seat me, are >>> usually >>> >> more >>> >> >> than happy to help out by carrying, even getting the drink. After >>> all, >>> >> >> that's what there there for right? CarHi all, Food courts are >>> crowded >>> >> noisy >>> >> >> places. They hand you the food on a tray. But often the customer >>> >> >> has >>> >> to get >>> >> >> their own drink from a row of drink spickits. I am talking about >>> >> >> the >>> >> row of >>> >> >> them where the cups are at the end and the drinks are gotten by >>> >> pressing >>> >> >> something to release the liquid. So any tips on them? How do you >>> deal >>> >> with >>> >> >> these drink areas? Does someone help you? I suppose you could >>> memorize >>> >> it >>> >> >> if you went there before. How do you find an empty table since >>> >> >> your >>> >> hands >>> >> >> are full with the tray, unless you ask someone to carry it for >>> >> >> you. >>> >> Then, >>> >> >> how do you find the trashcan? Do you explore where the trashcans >>> >> >> are >>> >> before >>> >> >> you get your food? Do you ask someone to read the menu to you >>> >> >> while >>> in >>> >> >> line, or do it beforehand? Some venues have their menu online >>> >> >> which >>> I >>> >> use >>> >> >> if possible; other times they don’t. Next, how do you deal with >>> >> >> restestaurants requiring you to order at the counter and pick it >>> >> >> up >>> at >>> >> the >>> >> >> counter? A fast food place usually gives you the food right there >>> >> >> at >>> >> the >>> >> >> counter. You do not sit and wait. So that isn’t an issue. If I >>> >> have to >>> >> >> say, waiwait for fries, I do so right at the counter, as anyone >>> >> >> else >>> >> would. >>> >> >> Restaurants where you do this include: Johnny Rockets in some >>> locations >>> >> >> deli places such as Philadelphia mikes Fudruckers Corner Bakery >>> >> >> How >>> do >>> >> you >>> >> >> find the counter and locate your seat? For me, I’m not good at >>> >> >> revreversing routes, and all tables look the same! I’m am >>> >> >> asking >>> >> since I >>> >> >> may order at such a restaurant with a blind friend and could use >>> some >>> >> tips >>> >> >> on this. Thanks. 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your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>> carlymih%40comcast.net >>> >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> daviddod%40buffalo.edu >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com > From daviddod at buffalo.edu Mon Aug 13 01:22:50 2012 From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 21:22:50 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] (nabs-l) introduction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Welcome to the list! :) David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 9:13 PM, Danielle Sykora wrote: > Hi everyone, > I have recently joined the list and wanted to introduce myself. My > name is Danielle and I live in New Jersey. I am a sophomore in high > school. I look forward to taking part in future discussions. > Danielle > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu > From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Mon Aug 13 01:28:06 2012 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 20:28:06 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] (nabs-l) introduction Message-ID: <50285830.145b650a.6842.25eb@mx.google.com> Oh cool I'm a sophmore in high school too! Welcome to the list, Danielle. ----- Original Message ----- From: Danielle Sykora References: Message-ID: <497FDC648931466B8DD68AD7F4745A54@userPC> Hi Danielle, it's Rania, I wanted to welcome you to the list. Feel free to ask any questions you have. This list is really helpful. Rania, -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Danielle Sykora Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 10:14 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] (nabs-l) introduction Hi everyone, I have recently joined the list and wanted to introduce myself. My name is Danielle and I live in New Jersey. I am a sophomore in high school. I look forward to taking part in future discussions. Danielle _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co m From daviddod at buffalo.edu Mon Aug 13 01:30:13 2012 From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 21:30:13 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] (nabs-l) introduction In-Reply-To: <50285830.145b650a.6842.25eb@mx.google.com> References: <50285830.145b650a.6842.25eb@mx.google.com> Message-ID: What do those of you that are in high school want to do once you graduate? David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 9:28 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: > Oh cool I'm a sophmore in high school too! Welcome to the list, Danielle. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Danielle Sykora To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 21:13:50 -0400 > Subject: [nabs-l] (nabs-l) introduction > > Hi everyone, > I have recently joined the list and wanted to introduce myself. My > name is Danielle and I live in New Jersey. I am a sophomore in high > school. I look forward to taking part in future discussions. > Danielle > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > daviddod%40buffalo.edu > From arielle71 at gmail.com Mon Aug 13 01:31:37 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 19:31:37 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants In-Reply-To: <50284fe5.d110320a.2983.ffffb875@mx.google.com> References: <50284fe5.d110320a.2983.ffffb875@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi all, While I don't see anything wrong with requesting help when it is truly necessary, I do think there are ways to get help that are less burdensome to fellow customers and staff. For example, at a drink fountain, we can do the actual cup-filling ourselves; the only thing we need help with is finding the dispenser we want. If I need to fill my drink, I will find the fountain myself, get a cup, ask a passer-by which dispenser the drink I want is coming from, then fill the cup myself. I think this is much less burdensome on a stranger who is already by the fountain anyway to read the dispenser for me than it is for them to get my drink. Same with finding a table; I don't ask someone to "take me to a seat". Instead I walk up to a table that has people already at it, ask "Is there room at this table?" or "Is there an empty table next to you?" Oftentimes the seated customers can give me verbal directions to an empty table without getting up themselves. There is a technique for holding a tray with one hand against your hip. It's a little clunky to learn, but it works. Another strategy is to order your food "to go" in a paper bag that can be easily carried in your hand or backpack. You can put silverware in your pocket or under your plate or on your tray. If I go to a restaurant where you sit down and then get called up to get your food, and I am by myself, I will often stand off to the side so that I can find my table after getting my food. If I am with other people (blind or sighted) I will sit with them, get up and grab my food when it is ready, then call out to them to find my table again. Some blind people are good enough travelers to keep track of where their table is but I'm not quite good enough to be able to do it reliably. Food courts and cafeterias can be a little intimidating but they are definitely something we can manage independently. Best, Arielle On 8/12/12, Beth wrote: > Have you checked out Panda Express? Man, they are so good, and I > want to say their customer service is excellent, the ones in > Colorado that is. They speak English fluently and are really > happy to help you any time. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Carly Mihalakis To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 16:02:06 -0700 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants > > Hi, Ashley, > > If I know I will be visiting a particular > restaurant who has their menu Online, I > definitely read it, selecting what sounds good > ahead of time. If such a menu is not available I > just ask the folks behind the counter, or on the floor to read > it. > As for the food court, the host personnel who > seat me, are usually more than happy to help out > by carrying, even getting the drink. After all, > that's what there there for right? > CarHi all, Food courts are crowded noisy places. > They hand you the food on a tray. But often the > customer has to get their own drink from a row of > drink spickits. I am talking about the row of > them where the cups are at the end and the drinks > are gotten by pressing something to release the > liquid. So any tips on them? How do you deal > with these drink areas? Does someone help you? I > suppose you could memorize it if you went there > before. How do you find an empty table since your > hands are full with the tray, unless you ask > someone to carry it for you. Then, how do you > find the trashcan? Do you explore where the > trashcans are before you get your food? Do you > ask someone to read the menu to you while in > line, or do it beforehand? Some venues have their > menu online which I use if possible; other times > they don’t. Next, how do you deal with > restaurants requiring you to order at the counter > and pick it up at the counter? A fast food place > usually gives you the food right there at the > counter. You do not sit and wait. So that > isn’t an issue. If I have to say, wait for > fries, I do so right at the counter, as anyone > else would. Restaurants where you do this > include: Johnny Rockets in some locations deli > places such as Philadelphia mikes Fudruckers > Corner Bakery How do you find the counter and > locate your seat? For me, I’m not good at > reversing routes, and all tables look the same! > I’m asking since I may order at such a > restaurant with a blind friend and could use some > tips on this. Thanks. Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40co > mcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo > se%40gmail..com > > > From deb.mendelsohn at gmail.com Mon Aug 13 01:36:52 2012 From: deb.mendelsohn at gmail.com (Deb Mendelsohn) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 18:36:52 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants In-Reply-To: References: <9EEEB32F499840C5BD5DAE001B2C42C3@OwnerPC> <7.0.1.0.2.20120812155653.01e15378@comcast.net> <170E9219C2164E71A3675D408B1467EC@OwnerPC> <7.0.1.0.2.20120812162219.01dcf628@comcast.net> <89714D9EB0C4417892E9707D9C3D1420@OwnerPC> <7.0.1.0.2.20120812170119.01c728f0@comcast.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20120812173055.01c912b8@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hi all, I always ask for my food to go simply because I will drop the tray. Handling a bag is much easier. McDonald's will fill my ice tea unsweetened from the drive through area. Most places I think will fill drinks for you. Deb On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 5:42 PM, David Dodge wrote: > It makes a great deal of sense. However, I would argue that immediate help > is rarely as valuable or enduring as that help which takes time. > > David > ---------------------------------- > David Dodge > Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson > English Major > University at Buffalo > 306 Clemens Hall > Buffalo, NY 14260 > daviddod at buffalo.edu > > > On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 8:37 PM, Carly Mihalakis >wrote: > > > Hi, David, > > > > It is true, we do help when we are able, like by widening people's > > threshholds, and convictions, and expanding what is believed to be > > possible, yet, the ways in which we are able to help, often are not as > > immediate as the kind of momentary, on-the-spot,help from which we are > > likely to benefit. Does that happened to make any kind of sense?wrote: > > > >> Thanks, Carly. But, I would even say our chances to help others are more > >> than just few. Everyone has talents and knowledge and we are responsible > >> for using them to help ourselves and others just like anyone else. > >> > >> David > >> ------------------------------**---- > >> David Dodge > >> Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson > >> English Major > >> University at Buffalo > >> 306 Clemens Hall > >> Buffalo, NY 14260 > >> daviddod at buffalo.edu > >> > >> > >> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 8:10 PM, Carly Mihalakis >> >wrote: > >> > >> > Glad to see David's approach to giving, and receiving, assistance > seems > >> a > >> > bit healthier. Because, it is true, Ashley, in cases in which we are > >> able > >> > to help which granted, are few, we do it gladly. When sighted people > see > >> > the blind person struggling o do what he routinely takes for granted, > >> > instinctively, a first thing they wanna do is lend a hand. It's part > of > >> > being a member of society. > >> > Fact is, you are lacking same access to the senses as everyone else, > >> > that's a fact. So, one would argue, there's nothing whatsoever wrong > >> with > >> > accepting help, once in a while. Remember, ol' Sighty cares not about > >> your > >> > motives for proving yourself by being completely, solo in this here > >> world. > >> > Dodge wrote: > >> > > >> >> Try to feel grateful and not bad about asking people for help when > they > >> >> give it to you. After all, people ask you for help in different > >> situations > >> >> and you kindly give it to them too right? > >> >> > >> >> David > >> >> ------------------------------****---- > >> >> David Dodge > >> >> Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson > >> >> English Major > >> >> University at Buffalo > >> >> 306 Clemens Hall > >> >> Buffalo, NY 14260 > >> >> daviddod at buffalo.edu > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Ashley Bramlett > >> >> ****wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > true, I find other customers help me. I kind of feel bad about > asking > >> >> > though and like it when they ask me first. > >> >> > I feel by asking, I'm kind of obligating them to help before going > to > >> >> > their table or carrying their food away. > >> >> > Oh, well, I need the help. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > -----Original Message----- From: Carly Mihalakis > >> >> > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 7:23 PM > >> >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; National > >> >> > Association of Blind Students mailing list > >> >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants > >> >> > > >> >> > Hi, Ashley, > >> >> > > >> >> > If the personel behind the counter are > >> >> > too busy to help, other customers are often also > >> >> > more than happy to grab you a napkin or throw > >> >> > away your garbage./12/2012, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> Hi carley, In food courts, that is not always my experience. > Perhaps > >> >> its > >> >> >> where I live. Like you, I may plan ahead about the menu thing. For > >> the > >> >> >> drinks thing, they do help me if I ask for it, but they seem busy > >> and > >> >> I may > >> >> >> have to wait a few minutes. The staff are busy taking orders, > >> filling > >> >> them, > >> >> >> and taking money from customers. Often, they just seem too busy to > >> help > >> >> >> out; so, a friendly customer in line offers to assist me and I > take > >> it. > >> >> >> They read the drink options and I pick one I want. Some places > have > >> >> bottle > >> >> >> drinks and I find these easier. In this case, they can just hand > me > >> the > >> >> >> bottle as they hand me the food too. I'm glad you have found the > >> staff > >> >> >> helpful because they should be as an accomodation. Ashley > >> -----Original > >> >> >> Message----- From: Carly Mihalakis Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 > >> 7:02 > >> >> PM > >> >> >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: > Re: > >> >> >> [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants Hi, Ashley, If I > know I > >> >> will > >> >> >> be visiting a particular restaurant who has their menu Online, I > >> >> definitely > >> >> >> read it, selecting what sounds good ahead of time. If such a menu > is > >> >> not > >> >> >> available I just ask the folks behind the counter, or on the floor > >> to > >> >> read > >> >> >> it. As for the food court, the host personnel who seat me, are > >> usually > >> >> more > >> >> >> than happy to help out by carrying, even getting the drink. After > >> all, > >> >> >> that's what there there for right? CarHi all, Food courts are > >> crowded > >> >> noisy > >> >> >> places. They hand you the food on a tray. But often the customer > has > >> >> to get > >> >> >> their own drink from a row of drink spickits. I am talking about > the > >> >> row of > >> >> >> them where the cups are at the end and the drinks are gotten by > >> >> pressing > >> >> >> something to release the liquid. So any tips on them? How do you > >> deal > >> >> with > >> >> >> these drink areas? Does someone help you? I suppose you could > >> memorize > >> >> it > >> >> >> if you went there before. How do you find an empty table since > your > >> >> hands > >> >> >> are full with the tray, unless you ask someone to carry it for > you. > >> >> Then, > >> >> >> how do you find the trashcan? Do you explore where the trashcans > are > >> >> before > >> >> >> you get your food? Do you ask someone to read the menu to you > while > >> in > >> >> >> line, or do it beforehand? Some venues have their menu online > which > >> I > >> >> use > >> >> >> if possible; other times they don’t. Next, how do you deal with > >> >> >> restestaurants requiring you to order at the counter and pick it > up > >> at > >> >> the > >> >> >> counter? A fast food place usually gives you the food right there > at > >> >> the > >> >> >> counter. You do not sit and wait. So that isn’t an issue. If I > >> >> have to > >> >> >> say, waiwait for fries, I do so right at the counter, as anyone > else > >> >> would. > >> >> >> Restaurants where you do this include: Johnny Rockets in some > >> locations > >> >> >> deli places such as Philadelphia mikes Fudruckers Corner Bakery > How > >> do > >> >> you > >> >> >> find the counter and locate your seat? For me, I’m not good at > >> >> >> revreversing routes, and all tables look the same! I’m am > asking > >> >> since I > >> >> >> may order at such a restaurant with a blind friend and could use > >> some > >> >> tips > >> >> >> on this. Thanks. 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gmail.com Mon Aug 13 01:38:32 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 19:38:32 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants In-Reply-To: References: <50284fe5.d110320a.2983.ffffb875@mx.google.com> Message-ID: If someone offers to take my trash for me, I will accept their offer, unless I am at a place I think I am likely to come back to (i.e. coffee shop). If this is the case, I will politely ask if I can follow the person to the trash so that I can learn where it is and hopefully be able to toss my own trash in the future. Best, Arielle On 8/12/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi all, > While I don't see anything wrong with requesting help when it is truly > necessary, I do think there are ways to get help that are less > burdensome to fellow customers and staff. For example, at a drink > fountain, we can do the actual cup-filling ourselves; the only thing > we need help with is finding the dispenser we want. If I need to fill > my drink, I will find the fountain myself, get a cup, ask a passer-by > which dispenser the drink I want is coming from, then fill the cup > myself. I think this is much less burdensome on a stranger who is > already by the fountain anyway to read the dispenser for me than it is > for them to get my drink. Same with finding a table; I don't ask > someone to "take me to a seat". Instead I walk up to a table that has > people already at it, ask "Is there room at this table?" or "Is there > an empty table next to you?" Oftentimes the seated customers can give > me verbal directions to an empty table without getting up themselves. > There is a technique for holding a tray with one hand against your > hip. It's a little clunky to learn, but it works. Another strategy is > to order your food "to go" in a paper bag that can be easily carried > in your hand or backpack. You can put silverware in your pocket or > under your plate or on your tray. > If I go to a restaurant where you sit down and then get called up to > get your food, and I am by myself, I will often stand off to the side > so that I can find my table after getting my food. If I am with other > people (blind or sighted) I will sit with them, get up and grab my > food when it is ready, then call out to them to find my table again. > Some blind people are good enough travelers to keep track of where > their table is but I'm not quite good enough to be able to do it > reliably. > Food courts and cafeterias can be a little intimidating but they are > definitely something we can manage independently. > Best, > Arielle > > On 8/12/12, Beth wrote: >> Have you checked out Panda Express? Man, they are so good, and I >> want to say their customer service is excellent, the ones in >> Colorado that is. They speak English fluently and are really >> happy to help you any time. >> Beth >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Carly Mihalakis > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 16:02:06 -0700 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants >> >> Hi, Ashley, >> >> If I know I will be visiting a particular >> restaurant who has their menu Online, I >> definitely read it, selecting what sounds good >> ahead of time. If such a menu is not available I >> just ask the folks behind the counter, or on the floor to read >> it. >> As for the food court, the host personnel who >> seat me, are usually more than happy to help out >> by carrying, even getting the drink. After all, >> that's what there there for right? >> CarHi all, Food courts are crowded noisy places. >> They hand you the food on a tray. But often the >> customer has to get their own drink from a row of >> drink spickits. I am talking about the row of >> them where the cups are at the end and the drinks >> are gotten by pressing something to release the >> liquid. So any tips on them? How do you deal >> with these drink areas? Does someone help you? I >> suppose you could memorize it if you went there >> before. How do you find an empty table since your >> hands are full with the tray, unless you ask >> someone to carry it for you. Then, how do you >> find the trashcan? Do you explore where the >> trashcans are before you get your food? Do you >> ask someone to read the menu to you while in >> line, or do it beforehand? Some venues have their >> menu online which I use if possible; other times >> they don’t. Next, how do you deal with >> restaurants requiring you to order at the counter >> and pick it up at the counter? A fast food place >> usually gives you the food right there at the >> counter. You do not sit and wait. So that >> isn’t an issue. If I have to say, wait for >> fries, I do so right at the counter, as anyone >> else would. Restaurants where you do this >> include: Johnny Rockets in some locations deli >> places such as Philadelphia mikes Fudruckers >> Corner Bakery How do you find the counter and >> locate your seat? For me, I’m not good at >> reversing routes, and all tables look the same! >> I’m asking since I may order at such a >> restaurant with a blind friend and could use some >> tips on this. Thanks. Ashley >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >> your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40co >> mcast.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo >> se%40gmail..com >> >> >> > From carlymih at comcast.net Mon Aug 13 01:51:09 2012 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 18:51:09 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants In-Reply-To: References: <9EEEB32F499840C5BD5DAE001B2C42C3@OwnerPC> <7.0.1.0.2.20120812155653.01e15378@comcast.net> <170E9219C2164E71A3675D408B1467EC@OwnerPC> <7.0.1.0.2.20120812162219.01dcf628@comcast.net> <89714D9EB0C4417892E9707D9C3D1420@OwnerPC> <7.0.1.0.2.20120812170119.01c728f0@comcast.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20120812184248.01c6d0c8@comcast.net> Hi, All, There are some places in which it simply makes sense to go with a sighted person. A food court, along with a movie theatr and a mall are some examples I can think of where having sighted people along simply makes more sense and, it is a way of taking care cthat , without sighted people it just is impractical, thinking you will get the most out of a sighted centric, experience. Of course, that is not to say that these things are impossible, in solo but in order to preserve the having of the richest, experience possible you need ol' Sighty. : >Honestly, and this may not be the best advice, but as far as food court >type situations go I always try to frequent them when I'm going with people >already. That is, I'm not alone I'm going with one other person or a group >of other people. This way, I can ask them for some guidance if I need it. > >If this isn't the case and I am alone I definitely do use any landmarks or >really just say to someone can you assist me in finding a seat. > >Not sure there is any better way. > >David >---------------------------------- >David Dodge >Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson >English Major >University at Buffalo >306 Clemens Hall >Buffalo, NY 14260 >daviddod at buffalo.edu > > >On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 8:39 PM, Ashley Bramlett >wrote: > > > While I do help in other ways, I still feel awkward about going up to a > > busy stranger asking for help although I do it. > > Keep in mind what they are doing. They are ordering their food probably > > on a lunch break and if they are not working, they probably want a quick > > bite to go elsewhere. After all, if they're not in a hurry, they may as > > well have gone to a sit down restaurant. > > They have kids or husbands to meet at the table; if eating there, they > > want to run to a table just as everyone else does as space is limited. > > So, its just that I feel I'm intruding; sometimes they say they are in a > > hurry or turn to someone else and say "can you help that girl?" I don't > > mind; after all, they need to get on to eat and cannot help me but find > > someone who can. One thing I try to do is listen for the drink area and > > move to this counter and get help there. After all everyone is filling > > their cups there and might be able to help me more easily. After people > > pay, they are running off to a table. > > > > Any tips on finding seats? I usually just look for them and listen for > > people; if I hear people at a table, I do not head there. If someone wants > > to either carry my tray or guide me to a table, I gladly take it since I > > just want to sit down, not wander around looking for a seat while my food > > gets cold. > > How do you find your table if you have to fetch your food at the counter > > when its ready? I guess I'd use a landmark to find my table and count > > tables. > > > > -----Original Message----- From: David Dodge > > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 8:18 PM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants > > > > Thanks, Carly. But, I would even say our chances to help others are more > > than just few. Everyone has talents and knowledge and we are responsible > > for using them to help ourselves and others just like anyone else. > > > > David > > ------------------------------**---- > > David Dodge > > Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson > > English Major > > University at Buffalo > > 306 Clemens Hall > > Buffalo, NY 14260 > > daviddod at buffalo.edu > > > > > > On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 8:10 PM, Carly Mihalakis > >wrote: > > > > Glad to see David's approach to giving, and receiving, assistance seems a > >> bit healthier. Because, it is true, Ashley, in cases in which we are able > >> to help which granted, are few, we do it gladly. When sighted people see > >> the blind person struggling o do what he routinely takes for granted, > >> instinctively, a first thing they wanna do is lend a hand. It's part of > >> being a member of society. > >> Fact is, you are lacking same access to the senses as everyone else, > >> that's a fact. So, one would argue, there's nothing whatsoever wrong with > >> accepting help, once in a while. Remember, ol' Sighty cares not about your > >> motives for proving yourself by being completely, solo in this here world. > >> Dodge wrote: > >> > >> Try to feel grateful and not bad about asking people for help when they > >>> give it to you. After all, people ask you for help in different > >>> situations > >>> and you kindly give it to them too right? > >>> > >>> David > >>> ------------------------------****---- > >>> David Dodge > >>> Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson > >>> English Major > >>> University at Buffalo > >>> 306 Clemens Hall > >>> Buffalo, NY 14260 > >>> daviddod at buffalo.edu > >>> > >>> > >>> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Ashley Bramlett > >>> ****wrote: > >>> > >>> > true, I find other customers help me. I kind of feel bad about asking > >>> > though and like it when they ask me first. > >>> > I feel by asking, I'm kind of obligating them to help before going to > >>> > their table or carrying their food away. > >>> > Oh, well, I need the help. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > -----Original Message----- From: Carly Mihalakis > >>> > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 7:23 PM > >>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; National > >>> > Association of Blind Students mailing list > >>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants > >>> > > >>> > Hi, Ashley, > >>> > > >>> > If the personel behind the counter are > >>> > too busy to help, other customers are often also > >>> > more than happy to grab you a napkin or throw > >>> > away your garbage./12/2012, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > >>> > > >>> >> Hi carley, In food courts, that is not always my experience. Perhaps > >>> its > >>> >> where I live. Like you, I may plan ahead about the menu thing. For the > >>> >> drinks thing, they do help me if I ask for it, but they seem busy and > >>> I may > >>> >> have to wait a few minutes. The staff are busy taking orders, filling > >>> them, > >>> >> and taking money from customers. Often, they just seem too busy to >> > >>> help > >>> >> out; so, a friendly customer in line offers to assist me and I take > >>> >> it. > >>> >> They read the drink options and I pick one I want. Some places have > >>> bottle > >>> >> drinks and I find these easier. In this case, they can just hand me > >>> >> the > >>> >> bottle as they hand me the food too. I'm glad you have found the staff > >>> >> helpful because they should be as an accomodation. >> Ashley > >>> -----Original > >>> >> Message----- From: Carly Mihalakis Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 7:02 > >>> PM > >>> >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: > >>> >> [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants Hi, Ashley, If I know I > >>> will > >>> >> be visiting a particular restaurant who has their menu Online, I > >>> definitely > >>> >> read it, selecting what sounds good ahead of time. If such a menu is > >>> not > >>> >> available I just ask the folks behind the counter, or on the floor to > >>> read > >>> >> it. As for the food court, the host personnel who seat me, are usually > >>> more > >>> >> than happy to help out by carrying, even getting the drink. After all, > >>> >> that's what there there for right? CarHi all, Food courts are crowded > >>> noisy > >>> >> places. They hand you the food on a tray. But often the customer has > >>> to get > >>> >> their own drink from a row of drink spickits. I am talking about the > >>> row of > >>> >> them where the cups are at the end and the drinks are gotten by > >>> pressing > >>> >> something to release the liquid. So any tips on them? How do you deal > >>> with > >>> >> these drink areas? Does someone help you? I suppose you could memorize > >>> it > >>> >> if you went there before. How do you find an empty table since your > >>> hands > >>> >> are full with the tray, unless you ask someone to carry it for you. > >>> Then, > >>> >> how do you find the trashcan? Do you explore where the trashcans are > >>> before > >>> >> you get your food? Do you ask someone to read the menu to you while in > >>> >> line, or do it beforehand? Some venues have their menu online which I > >>> use > >>> >> if possible; other times they don’t. Next, how do you deal with > >>> >> restestaurants requiring you to order at the counter and pick it up at > >>> the > >>> >> counter? A fast food place usually gives you the food right there at > >>> the > >>> >> counter. You do not sit and wait. So that isn’t an issue. If I > >>> have to > >>> >> say, waiwait for fries, I do so right at the counter, as anyone else > >>> would. > >>> >> Restaurants where you do this include: Johnny Rockets in some >> > >>> locations > >>> >> deli places such as Philadelphia mikes Fudruckers Corner Bakery How do > >>> you > >>> >> find the counter and locate your seat? For me, I’m not good at > >>> >> revreversing routes, and all tables look the same! I’m am asking > >>> since I > >>> >> may order at such a restaurant with a blind friend and could use some > >>> tips > >>> >> on this. Thanks. 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deb.mendelsohn at gmail.com Mon Aug 13 01:51:43 2012 From: deb.mendelsohn at gmail.com (Deb Mendelsohn) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 18:51:43 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] (nabs-l) introduction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Danielle, Nice to meet you. I'm Deb in AZ attending Library School at UA come spring as that grad school does NOT have a fall admission. Deb On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Danielle Sykora wrote: > Hi everyone, > I have recently joined the list and wanted to introduce myself. My > name is Danielle and I live in New Jersey. I am a sophomore in high > school. I look forward to taking part in future discussions. > Danielle > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/deb.mendelsohn%40gmail.com > From dsykora29 at gmail.com Mon Aug 13 01:53:34 2012 From: dsykora29 at gmail.com (Danielle Sykora) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 21:53:34 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants In-Reply-To: References: <50284fe5.d110320a.2983.ffffb875@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi everyone, I agree with Arielle. There is nothing wrong with asking for assistance if it is truely needed but we should try to make ourselves as least of a burden as possible. If it is possible that you will return to a restaurant, try to remember as much about it as possible (I.E. the layout, menu, and order of drinks). Danielle On 8/12/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: > If someone offers to take my trash for me, I will accept their offer, > unless I am at a place I think I am likely to come back to (i.e. > coffee shop). If this is the case, I will politely ask if I can follow > the person to the trash so that I can learn where it is and hopefully > be able to toss my own trash in the future. > Best, > Arielle > > On 8/12/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: >> Hi all, >> While I don't see anything wrong with requesting help when it is truly >> necessary, I do think there are ways to get help that are less >> burdensome to fellow customers and staff. For example, at a drink >> fountain, we can do the actual cup-filling ourselves; the only thing >> we need help with is finding the dispenser we want. If I need to fill >> my drink, I will find the fountain myself, get a cup, ask a passer-by >> which dispenser the drink I want is coming from, then fill the cup >> myself. I think this is much less burdensome on a stranger who is >> already by the fountain anyway to read the dispenser for me than it is >> for them to get my drink. Same with finding a table; I don't ask >> someone to "take me to a seat". Instead I walk up to a table that has >> people already at it, ask "Is there room at this table?" or "Is there >> an empty table next to you?" Oftentimes the seated customers can give >> me verbal directions to an empty table without getting up themselves. >> There is a technique for holding a tray with one hand against your >> hip. It's a little clunky to learn, but it works. Another strategy is >> to order your food "to go" in a paper bag that can be easily carried >> in your hand or backpack. You can put silverware in your pocket or >> under your plate or on your tray. >> If I go to a restaurant where you sit down and then get called up to >> get your food, and I am by myself, I will often stand off to the side >> so that I can find my table after getting my food. If I am with other >> people (blind or sighted) I will sit with them, get up and grab my >> food when it is ready, then call out to them to find my table again. >> Some blind people are good enough travelers to keep track of where >> their table is but I'm not quite good enough to be able to do it >> reliably. >> Food courts and cafeterias can be a little intimidating but they are >> definitely something we can manage independently. >> Best, >> Arielle >> >> On 8/12/12, Beth wrote: >>> Have you checked out Panda Express? Man, they are so good, and I >>> want to say their customer service is excellent, the ones in >>> Colorado that is. They speak English fluently and are really >>> happy to help you any time. >>> Beth >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Carly Mihalakis >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 16:02:06 -0700 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants >>> >>> Hi, Ashley, >>> >>> If I know I will be visiting a particular >>> restaurant who has their menu Online, I >>> definitely read it, selecting what sounds good >>> ahead of time. If such a menu is not available I >>> just ask the folks behind the counter, or on the floor to read >>> it. >>> As for the food court, the host personnel who >>> seat me, are usually more than happy to help out >>> by carrying, even getting the drink. After all, >>> that's what there there for right? >>> CarHi all, Food courts are crowded noisy places. >>> They hand you the food on a tray. But often the >>> customer has to get their own drink from a row of >>> drink spickits. I am talking about the row of >>> them where the cups are at the end and the drinks >>> are gotten by pressing something to release the >>> liquid. So any tips on them? How do you deal >>> with these drink areas? Does someone help you? I >>> suppose you could memorize it if you went there >>> before. How do you find an empty table since your >>> hands are full with the tray, unless you ask >>> someone to carry it for you. Then, how do you >>> find the trashcan? Do you explore where the >>> trashcans are before you get your food? Do you >>> ask someone to read the menu to you while in >>> line, or do it beforehand? Some venues have their >>> menu online which I use if possible; other times >>> they don’t. Next, how do you deal with >>> restaurants requiring you to order at the counter >>> and pick it up at the counter? A fast food place >>> usually gives you the food right there at the >>> counter. You do not sit and wait. So that >>> isn’t an issue. If I have to say, wait for >>> fries, I do so right at the counter, as anyone >>> else would. Restaurants where you do this >>> include: Johnny Rockets in some locations deli >>> places such as Philadelphia mikes Fudruckers >>> Corner Bakery How do you find the counter and >>> locate your seat? For me, I’m not good at >>> reversing routes, and all tables look the same! >>> I’m asking since I may order at such a >>> restaurant with a blind friend and could use some >>> tips on this. Thanks. Ashley >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >>> your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40co >>> mcast.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo >>> se%40gmail..com >>> >>> >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40gmail.com > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Aug 13 01:55:02 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 21:55:02 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants In-Reply-To: <50284fe3.d110320a.2983.ffffb873@mx.google.com> References: <50284fe3.d110320a.2983.ffffb873@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Beth, I agree; stirofoam trays are wobbly and plastic ones are more sturdy. I will get someone to carry the tray if possible and if I have to carry the drink on the tray, I use a lid. I'll wrap two fingers around the cup to stabilize it and the lid prevents it from spilling usually. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Beth Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 8:52 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants If the menu is not available online, one tip I'd recommend is to have the customer service people read it for you. IF it's not available to you in an accessible format, the customer service people, according to a besft frind of mine, should read it out. I'm becoming impressed with some Chinese food places because they're actually using American customer service people. I've been to places where the guys don't speak a word of English, so when you go to a food court thingy, make sure the place has staff that speak English fluently so you can actually get an idea of what's on the menu. Also, when I go by myself to counter-only places like Einstein Brothers' Bagels, sommeone is usually very happy to fill my drink since I can't read the fountain and can't make a selection as to what's on the fountain and can't read whuat's there. Plus I'm a bit nerve wracked about carrying drinks because of spillage. Trays? There coulod be ways to arry one with a cane, but man, I hate doing that because the tray is extra large. I see tras as large and unwieldy with a cane if it's a styrofoam thing, but plastic ones I see a a better selectoin. That's all I can say for now. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" References: <50284fe5.d110320a.2983.ffffb875@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <7D0A7BF183994D96AD040F01DFAF7BE7@OwnerPC> Panda express is too fancy for me though; but yes they do speak english. Beth, I know the frustration of the language barrier at fast food places; that occurs even without a food court; any fast food place has foreigners who may or may not understand you well. This is when I'm thankful for other customers reading the menu to me. Around my area, many spanish immigrants work these fast food places; nothing agains them working there, but the language issue is a problem. I'd pick a place with understable people if I can. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Beth Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 8:52 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants Have you checked out Panda Express? Man, they are so good, and I want to say their customer service is excellent, the ones in Colorado that is. They speak English fluently and are really happy to help you any time. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: Carly Mihalakis References: <9EEEB32F499840C5BD5DAE001B2C42C3@OwnerPC><7.0.1.0.2.20120812155653.01e15378@comcast.net><170E9219C2164E71A3675D408B1467EC@OwnerPC><7.0.1.0.2.20120812162219.01dcf628@comcast.net><89714D9EB0C4417892E9707D9C3D1420@OwnerPC><7.0.1.0.2.20120812170119.01c728f0@comcast.net><7.0.1.0.2.20120812173055.01c912b8@comcast.net> Message-ID: Kirt, Well, I've had a cashier just hand me a cup without offering to help; happens at two places I've been. I'll still go there, but I do have to advocate more. Like you, I listen for the sounds of people getting drinks and the other customers then assist me; if no one is there, I do ask where the drink stand is. How do you carry your tray? I was taught by an o&m instructor to carry it on my forearm and wrap my fingers around the edge; I also carry it by grabbing it overhand, not underhand, so my forearm is above the tray and I grib the side with my fingers while the tray is close to my body for support. I guess in these situations we just need to get assistance and thank them for it and go to an empty seat. I just ask where the trash can is if I don't see it already or if I don't hear people throwing trash away. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Kirt Manwaring Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 9:16 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants Ashley, I think most of us have experienced this frustration, to a certain degree. We all have our own ways of dealing with it; I'll tell you what I try and do because, mostly, it works for me. I'm not trying to shove "rebellious independence" down your throat, I'm not saying what works for me will necessarily work for you, but I am saying that I've learned I don't need to have someone there every step of the way guiding me. First, I like to hold my tray in one hand and my cane in the other. This takes practice, I'm still not a pro at it, but after learning and trying the technique for a while I've figured out how to hold a tray, a drink, and a cane all fairly comfortably. LIke I said, it takes some getting used to and it doesn't come over night; it took months at a training center for me to become halfway competent doing it, but it works for me. This does, however, mean I'm not taking somebody's arm if I'm doing it that way. Of course I have someone help me get my dang drink when I order (I suppose I could just randomly test all the drinks until I stumbled upon the right one, but I'm having a hard time fathoming why the hell anybody would want to do that), but I don't really have to go that far out of the way. In fact, most of the time, the person behind the counter offers to just take my drink and fill it for me; I usually politely refuse and ask the kindhearted worker to show me what button I have to push to get the drink I want. In the rare event the cashier just hands me my cup without offering to help (very rare indeed), I listen to where I hear ice clinking in to cups and walk over that way. Nine times out of ten, (maybe even nineteen out of twenty) someone is there and I can just ask that person to help me know what drink is what. As for finding a table, I often just walk around until I bump in to one with my cane. I can usually hear where people are sitting and eating, so I'm not just wandering aimlessly. If I can't find one (or if someone finds me first), I'll ask to be pointed towards an empty table and I'll walk in the direction I'm pointed until I find a place to sit. If someone decides to grab me and take me to an open seat, I'll either make a fool of myself telling the person I'm really ok and I can find it or, sometimes, I just ask them to walk a couple steps in front of me and guide me that way. I usually don't like someone taking my arm unless that person is a close friend who I know I can trust; there are, however, a few acceptions to this rule. (I just showed up to the airport with minutes to spare before my flight home; I had no problem taking the arm of a stranger because I didn't know the area and I didn't have the time to figure it out.) As far as asking for help goes, I do it all the time! Usually, if I'm eating a meal in a food court by myself and I'm done, I'll try and find somebody if I couldn't hear people throwing things away. (most of the time I can't; I'm not that skilled yet! :)) Anyways, that person could either be someone I hear talking at a table or someone behind the counter at a restaurant. I'll say something like "would you mind pointing me to the nearest garbage?" If they offer to take my trash for me, I usually thank them and let them take it. If they do what I asked and point me, then off I go, usually with people giving me directions as I go if I can't find the dang thing. (which is happening less and less, thanks to some fantastic training.) But, most importantly, don't stress about it! If you feel really awkward, chances are it'll show and the people around you will feel even more awkward in kind. If, however, you are confident and enjoying yourself, however you choose to do it, people will generally be more responsive and helpful. Oh, one last thing that I learned in training. (I feel like an idiot for not thinking of this before) If you aren't sure where someone is directing you, point to where you think it is. That way people will be able to confirm that you are right or just move your hand so you're pointing in the right way. That also works, sometimes, when people seem to not feel comfortable giving you directions. Simply point somewhere (even somewhere random if you have no clue) and ask, with a smile, "you mean that way?" Then, all of a sudden, people know how to explain it to you. I hope I'm not coming off as dedactic or self-rightious. I don't intend to. I guess alll I'm trying to say is I've found a way that works for me, find one that works for you (whatever it is)and enjoy yourself! That is, after all, the point. Right? Best, Kirt On 8/12/12, David Dodge wrote: > It makes a great deal of sense. However, I would argue that immediate help > is rarely as valuable or enduring as that help which takes time. > > David > ---------------------------------- > David Dodge > Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson > English Major > University at Buffalo > 306 Clemens Hall > Buffalo, NY 14260 > daviddod at buffalo.edu > > > On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 8:37 PM, Carly Mihalakis > wrote: > >> Hi, David, >> >> It is true, we do help when we are able, like by widening people's >> threshholds, and convictions, and expanding what is believed to be >> possible, yet, the ways in which we are able to help, often are not as >> immediate as the kind of momentary, on-the-spot,help from which we are >> likely to benefit. Does that happened to make any kind of sense?wrote: >> >>> Thanks, Carly. But, I would even say our chances to help others are more >>> than just few. Everyone has talents and knowledge and we are responsible >>> for using them to help ourselves and others just like anyone else. >>> >>> David >>> ------------------------------**---- >>> David Dodge >>> Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson >>> English Major >>> University at Buffalo >>> 306 Clemens Hall >>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 8:10 PM, Carly Mihalakis >> >wrote: >>> >>> > Glad to see David's approach to giving, and receiving, assistance >>> > seems >>> a >>> > bit healthier. Because, it is true, Ashley, in cases in which we are >>> able >>> > to help which granted, are few, we do it gladly. When sighted people >>> > see >>> > the blind person struggling o do what he routinely takes for granted, >>> > instinctively, a first thing they wanna do is lend a hand. It's part >>> > of >>> > being a member of society. >>> > Fact is, you are lacking same access to the senses as everyone else, >>> > that's a fact. So, one would argue, there's nothing whatsoever wrong >>> with >>> > accepting help, once in a while. Remember, ol' Sighty cares not about >>> your >>> > motives for proving yourself by being completely, solo in this here >>> world. >>> > Dodge wrote: >>> > >>> >> Try to feel grateful and not bad about asking people for help when >>> >> they >>> >> give it to you. After all, people ask you for help in different >>> situations >>> >> and you kindly give it to them too right? >>> >> >>> >> David >>> >> ------------------------------****---- >>> >> David Dodge >>> >> Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson >>> >> English Major >>> >> University at Buffalo >>> >> 306 Clemens Hall >>> >> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>> >> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Ashley Bramlett >>> >> ****wrote: >>> >> >>> >> > true, I find other customers help me. I kind of feel bad about >>> >> > asking >>> >> > though and like it when they ask me first. >>> >> > I feel by asking, I'm kind of obligating them to help before going >>> >> > to >>> >> > their table or carrying their food away. >>> >> > Oh, well, I need the help. >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > -----Original Message----- From: Carly Mihalakis >>> >> > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 7:23 PM >>> >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; National >>> >> > Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants >>> >> > >>> >> > Hi, Ashley, >>> >> > >>> >> > If the personel behind the counter are >>> >> > too busy to help, other customers are often also >>> >> > more than happy to grab you a napkin or throw >>> >> > away your garbage./12/2012, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> >> > >>> >> >> Hi carley, In food courts, that is not always my experience. >>> >> >> Perhaps >>> >> its >>> >> >> where I live. Like you, I may plan ahead about the menu thing. For >>> the >>> >> >> drinks thing, they do help me if I ask for it, but they seem busy >>> and >>> >> I may >>> >> >> have to wait a few minutes. The staff are busy taking orders, >>> filling >>> >> them, >>> >> >> and taking money from customers. Often, they just seem too busy to >>> help >>> >> >> out; so, a friendly customer in line offers to assist me and I >>> >> >> take >>> it. >>> >> >> They read the drink options and I pick one I want. Some places >>> >> >> have >>> >> bottle >>> >> >> drinks and I find these easier. In this case, they can just hand >>> >> >> me >>> the >>> >> >> bottle as they hand me the food too. I'm glad you have found the >>> staff >>> >> >> helpful because they should be as an accomodation. Ashley >>> -----Original >>> >> >> Message----- From: Carly Mihalakis Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 >>> 7:02 >>> >> PM >>> >> >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: >>> >> >> Re: >>> >> >> [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants Hi, Ashley, If I know >>> >> >> I >>> >> will >>> >> >> be visiting a particular restaurant who has their menu Online, I >>> >> definitely >>> >> >> read it, selecting what sounds good ahead of time. If such a menu >>> >> >> is >>> >> not >>> >> >> available I just ask the folks behind the counter, or on the floor >>> to >>> >> read >>> >> >> it. As for the food court, the host personnel who seat me, are >>> usually >>> >> more >>> >> >> than happy to help out by carrying, even getting the drink. After >>> all, >>> >> >> that's what there there for right? CarHi all, Food courts are >>> crowded >>> >> noisy >>> >> >> places. They hand you the food on a tray. But often the customer >>> >> >> has >>> >> to get >>> >> >> their own drink from a row of drink spickits. I am talking about >>> >> >> the >>> >> row of >>> >> >> them where the cups are at the end and the drinks are gotten by >>> >> pressing >>> >> >> something to release the liquid. So any tips on them? How do you >>> deal >>> >> with >>> >> >> these drink areas? Does someone help you? I suppose you could >>> memorize >>> >> it >>> >> >> if you went there before. How do you find an empty table since >>> >> >> your >>> >> hands >>> >> >> are full with the tray, unless you ask someone to carry it for >>> >> >> you. >>> >> Then, >>> >> >> how do you find the trashcan? Do you explore where the trashcans >>> >> >> are >>> >> before >>> >> >> you get your food? Do you ask someone to read the menu to you >>> >> >> while >>> in >>> >> >> line, or do it beforehand? Some venues have their menu online >>> >> >> which >>> I >>> >> use >>> >> >> if possible; other times they don’t. Next, how do you deal with >>> >> >> restestaurants requiring you to order at the counter and pick it >>> >> >> up >>> at >>> >> the >>> >> >> counter? A fast food place usually gives you the food right there >>> >> >> at >>> >> the >>> >> >> counter. You do not sit and wait. So that isn’t an issue. If I >>> >> have to >>> >> >> say, waiwait for fries, I do so right at the counter, as anyone >>> >> >> else >>> >> would. >>> >> >> Restaurants where you do this include: Johnny Rockets in some >>> locations >>> >> >> deli places such as Philadelphia mikes Fudruckers Corner Bakery >>> >> >> How >>> do >>> >> you >>> >> >> find the counter and locate your seat? For me, I’m not good at >>> >> >> revreversing routes, and all tables look the same! I’m am >>> >> >> asking >>> >> since I >>> >> >> may order at such a restaurant with a blind friend and could use >>> some >>> >> tips >>> >> >> on this. Thanks. 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account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From oliver.doug1 at gmail.com Mon Aug 13 02:06:41 2012 From: oliver.doug1 at gmail.com (Doug Oliver) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 21:06:41 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] (nabs-l) introduction References: Message-ID: <8D7FDB6767A74B29ADFF362C2B30E6F8@dougc3dc80fe4d> Hey Danielle, welcome to the list. My name's Doug Oliver, and I've been on this list for some time, but haven't posted in ages. I hope everyone of you are doing well. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deb Mendelsohn" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] (nabs-l) introduction > Hi Danielle, > Nice to meet you. I'm Deb in AZ attending Library School at UA come > spring > as that grad school does NOT have a fall admission. > Deb > > On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Danielle Sykora > wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> I have recently joined the list and wanted to introduce myself. My >> name is Danielle and I live in New Jersey. I am a sophomore in high >> school. I look forward to taking part in future discussions. >> Danielle >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/deb.mendelsohn%40gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40gmail.com From dsykora29 at gmail.com Mon Aug 13 02:10:22 2012 From: dsykora29 at gmail.com (Danielle Sykora) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 22:10:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] (nabs-l) introduction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi everyone, Thanks for the welcome! When I graduate high school I plan to go to college (probably for marine biology). Danielle On 8/12/12, Deb Mendelsohn wrote: > Hi Danielle, > Nice to meet you. I'm Deb in AZ attending Library School at UA come spring > as that grad school does NOT have a fall admission. > Deb > > On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Danielle Sykora > wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> I have recently joined the list and wanted to introduce myself. My >> name is Danielle and I live in New Jersey. I am a sophomore in high >> school. I look forward to taking part in future discussions. >> Danielle >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/deb.mendelsohn%40gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40gmail.com > From daviddod at buffalo.edu Mon Aug 13 02:13:00 2012 From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 22:13:00 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] (nabs-l) introduction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Cool! :) David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 10:10 PM, Danielle Sykora wrote: > Hi everyone, > Thanks for the welcome! > When I graduate high school I plan to go to college (probably for > marine biology). > Danielle > > On 8/12/12, Deb Mendelsohn wrote: > > Hi Danielle, > > Nice to meet you. I'm Deb in AZ attending Library School at UA come > spring > > as that grad school does NOT have a fall admission. > > Deb > > > > On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Danielle Sykora > > wrote: > > > >> Hi everyone, > >> I have recently joined the list and wanted to introduce myself. My > >> name is Danielle and I live in New Jersey. I am a sophomore in high > >> school. I look forward to taking part in future discussions. > >> Danielle > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/deb.mendelsohn%40gmail.com > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Aug 13 02:19:39 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 22:19:39 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants In-Reply-To: References: <50284fe5.d110320a.2983.ffffb875@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Arielle, Sounds like I'm on the right track. If they offer to get the drink, I usually take it, after all they did offer. If not, I' do like you described. Drink fountain was the term I was looking for! I couldn't think of it! So, yes, I agree we can get it ourselves provided we know which button gets which drink. As for the table, sometimes I've gotten help, other times someone offers to guide me. I like your idea of following the helpful passerby to the trashcan so you know where it is the next time. If at a place where I need to return to the table after getting my food, I also have used the technique of calling out to a friend. So then, should my friend and I go separately? Should they stay behind so they can call out and direct me to the table? In this next case, we're both blind, but he could still call out to me and keep talking. I have trouble finding seats and tables once I've left them. What do you mean by stay to the side? I'm not that good a traveler either to find something again without a landmark. Well, I'll just see how this outing goes. I think I'll forward yours and some other responses to my blind friend since we are developing our techniques for food courts, fast food places, and cafeterias. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Arielle Silverman Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 9:31 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants Hi all, While I don't see anything wrong with requesting help when it is truly necessary, I do think there are ways to get help that are less burdensome to fellow customers and staff. For example, at a drink fountain, we can do the actual cup-filling ourselves; the only thing we need help with is finding the dispenser we want. If I need to fill my drink, I will find the fountain myself, get a cup, ask a passer-by which dispenser the drink I want is coming from, then fill the cup myself. I think this is much less burdensome on a stranger who is already by the fountain anyway to read the dispenser for me than it is for them to get my drink. Same with finding a table; I don't ask someone to "take me to a seat". Instead I walk up to a table that has people already at it, ask "Is there room at this table?" or "Is there an empty table next to you?" Oftentimes the seated customers can give me verbal directions to an empty table without getting up themselves. There is a technique for holding a tray with one hand against your hip. It's a little clunky to learn, but it works. Another strategy is to order your food "to go" in a paper bag that can be easily carried in your hand or backpack. You can put silverware in your pocket or under your plate or on your tray. If I go to a restaurant where you sit down and then get called up to get your food, and I am by myself, I will often stand off to the side so that I can find my table after getting my food. If I am with other people (blind or sighted) I will sit with them, get up and grab my food when it is ready, then call out to them to find my table again. Some blind people are good enough travelers to keep track of where their table is but I'm not quite good enough to be able to do it reliably. Food courts and cafeterias can be a little intimidating but they are definitely something we can manage independently. Best, Arielle On 8/12/12, Beth wrote: > Have you checked out Panda Express? Man, they are so good, and I > want to say their customer service is excellent, the ones in > Colorado that is. They speak English fluently and are really > happy to help you any time. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Carly Mihalakis To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 16:02:06 -0700 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants > > Hi, Ashley, > > If I know I will be visiting a particular > restaurant who has their menu Online, I > definitely read it, selecting what sounds good > ahead of time. If such a menu is not available I > just ask the folks behind the counter, or on the floor to read > it. > As for the food court, the host personnel who > seat me, are usually more than happy to help out > by carrying, even getting the drink. After all, > that's what there there for right? > CarHi all, Food courts are crowded noisy places. > They hand you the food on a tray. But often the > customer has to get their own drink from a row of > drink spickits. I am talking about the row of > them where the cups are at the end and the drinks > are gotten by pressing something to release the > liquid. So any tips on them? How do you deal > with these drink areas? Does someone help you? I > suppose you could memorize it if you went there > before. How do you find an empty table since your > hands are full with the tray, unless you ask > someone to carry it for you. Then, how do you > find the trashcan? Do you explore where the > trashcans are before you get your food? Do you > ask someone to read the menu to you while in > line, or do it beforehand? Some venues have their > menu online which I use if possible; other times > they don’t. Next, how do you deal with > restaurants requiring you to order at the counter > and pick it up at the counter? A fast food place > usually gives you the food right there at the > counter. You do not sit and wait. So that > isn’t an issue. If I have to say, wait for > fries, I do so right at the counter, as anyone > else would. Restaurants where you do this > include: Johnny Rockets in some locations deli > places such as Philadelphia mikes Fudruckers > Corner Bakery How do you find the counter and > locate your seat? For me, I’m not good at > reversing routes, and all tables look the same! > I’m asking since I may order at such a > restaurant with a blind friend and could use some > tips on this. Thanks. Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40co > mcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo > se%40gmail..com > > > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com Mon Aug 13 02:43:12 2012 From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt Manwaring) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 20:43:12 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants In-Reply-To: <7D0A7BF183994D96AD040F01DFAF7BE7@OwnerPC> References: <50284fe5.d110320a.2983.ffffb875@mx.google.com> <7D0A7BF183994D96AD040F01DFAF7BE7@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Carly, What? I'm being honest with you when I say I totally, completely and utterly disagree; incidentally, that doesn't happen very often. I've had fun at movies with blind friends. I've gone out to eat with blind friends, I've gone out to eat with sighted friends and, yes, I sometimes enjoy a meal at a food court by myself when I'm really hungry, just passing through, or need some alone time. To be fair, I've had to learn some alternative techniques to become comfortable in places like airports, food courts, totally unfamiliar cities (I'm just on the plane flying back from New York City and did a lot of traveling by myself because my dad, who I came with, was in meetings all day), huge hotels, gigantic shopping malls, etc. I'm not the world's greatest traveler (far from it), I'm not that great at mentally mapping places out (better than I used to be, but still terrible), basically my skills are maybe just a little above average when it comes to things like this. But, with training, I've become comfortable and confident with lots of these things; that doesn't mean it's always a breez, but it's not all that difficult either. And this is coming from a guy who can get lost easily, this is coming from a guy who can get absolutely confused by huge parking lots with lots of buildings. I know what it's like to feel awkward and helpless in a food court or crowded building; that used to be me, all the time! My mobility skills are nothing to brag about, I'm a terrible traveler in lots of ways...and I can deal with a food court just fine. Of course a big part of movies is visual; but, with audio description becoming more and more common, this is more accessible than ever. I feel like I'm able to enjoy whatever I want to, however I chose to (provided I have the ability and means to do so), just as much as anybody else. I say this with the utmost civility, but I emphatically reject your suggestion that sight is a necessary component of a complete life. I can say it isn't because I routinely participate in every activity which you say requires "old sightie" in order to be enjoyed fully. I didn't need "old sightie" to enjoy the most recent Batman movie that was audio described. (well, I guess you could say that I needed a sighted person to describe the dang thing, but I don't think that's relevant to this particular conversation) I didn't need "old sightie" to enjoy my lunch at the mall I was checking out a couple days ago in New York city; incidentally, I didn't need "old sightie" to get me there or guide me where I wanted to go, and I found everything I wanted to find without too much effort. Of course, I asked for directions from people where appropriate, sometimes people refused to stop following me, but I certainly didn't need them there in order to enjoy my experience...in fact, in this particular instant, it would've been far more enjoyable had some of those people just gotten out of my hair! I believe, with my whole being, that "old blindie" can enjoy the same activities, do the same work, and gain as much meaning from life as "old sightie." I believe that sight does not make a person more able to experience life; I believe with my whole heart that sight does not give life extra meaning and, most importantly, I believe that blind people can participate in the same life, to the same extent, and with a level of difficulty comparable to that faced by "old sightie." Sight is nice, sight is a good thing to have, but it's not critical; people can experience everything life has to offer, with or without sight. The way I see it, that's just the way it is. Warmest regards, Kirt On 8/12/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Panda express is too fancy for me though; but yes they do speak english. > Beth, I know the frustration of the language barrier at fast food places; > that occurs even without a food court; any fast food place has foreigners > who may or may not understand you well. This is when I'm thankful for other > > customers reading the menu to me. Around my area, many spanish immigrants > work these fast food places; nothing agains them working there, but the > language issue is a problem. I'd pick a place with understable people if I > can. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Beth > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 8:52 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants > > Have you checked out Panda Express? Man, they are so good, and I > want to say their customer service is excellent, the ones in > Colorado that is. They speak English fluently and are really > happy to help you any time. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Carly Mihalakis To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 16:02:06 -0700 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants > > Hi, Ashley, > > If I know I will be visiting a particular > restaurant who has their menu Online, I > definitely read it, selecting what sounds good > ahead of time. If such a menu is not available I > just ask the folks behind the counter, or on the floor to read > it. > As for the food court, the host personnel who > seat me, are usually more than happy to help out > by carrying, even getting the drink. After all, > that's what there there for right? > CarHi all, Food courts are crowded noisy places. > They hand you the food on a tray. But often the > customer has to get their own drink from a row of > drink spickits. I am talking about the row of > them where the cups are at the end and the drinks > are gotten by pressing something to release the > liquid. So any tips on them? How do you deal > with these drink areas? Does someone help you? I > suppose you could memorize it if you went there > before. How do you find an empty table since your > hands are full with the tray, unless you ask > someone to carry it for you. Then, how do you > find the trashcan? Do you explore where the > trashcans are before you get your food? Do you > ask someone to read the menu to you while in > line, or do it beforehand? Some venues have their > menu online which I use if possible; other times > they don?셳. Next, how do you deal with > restaurants requiring you to order at the counter > and pick it up at the counter? A fast food place > usually gives you the food right there at the > counter. You do not sit and wait. So that > isn?셳 an issue. If I have to say, wait for > fries, I do so right at the counter, as anyone > else would. Restaurants where you do this > include: Johnny Rockets in some locations deli > places such as Philadelphia mikes Fudruckers > Corner Bakery How do you find the counter and > locate your seat? For me, I?셫 not good at > reversing routes, and all tables look the same! > I?셫 asking since I may order at such a > restaurant with a blind friend and could use some > tips on this. Thanks. Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40co > mcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo > se%40gmail..com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > From cory.j.mcmahon at gmail.com Mon Aug 13 03:34:33 2012 From: cory.j.mcmahon at gmail.com (McMahon, Cory J) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 22:34:33 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] (nabs-l) introduction References: Message-ID: <93CAB917F08645F2826C1A859654F3C0@anyone> Dear Danielle, Welcome to the list; hope you find this to be a useful resource for information concerning college! Sincerely, Cory McMahon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Danielle Sykora" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] (nabs-l) introduction > Hi everyone, > Thanks for the welcome! > When I graduate high school I plan to go to college (probably for > marine biology). > Danielle > > On 8/12/12, Deb Mendelsohn wrote: >> Hi Danielle, >> Nice to meet you. I'm Deb in AZ attending Library School at UA come >> spring >> as that grad school does NOT have a fall admission. >> Deb >> >> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Danielle Sykora >> wrote: >> >>> Hi everyone, >>> I have recently joined the list and wanted to introduce myself. My >>> name is Danielle and I live in New Jersey. I am a sophomore in high >>> school. I look forward to taking part in future discussions. >>> Danielle >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/deb.mendelsohn%40gmail.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cjmc404%40hotmail.com From daviddod at buffalo.edu Mon Aug 13 03:41:43 2012 From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 23:41:43 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants In-Reply-To: References: <50284fe5.d110320a.2983.ffffb875@mx.google.com> <7D0A7BF183994D96AD040F01DFAF7BE7@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Kirt and Carly, I think you are both right in your own way. We each get to decide what has more value for our own personal experience. Each of us gets to decide if the best experience might be with sighted people, with blind people, or by ourselves. Moreover, this can change based on the day, time, place, and our mood. No right or wrong answers there I don't think. Interesting to realize what the different options mean though. David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 10:43 PM, Kirt Manwaring wrote: > Carly, > What? I'm being honest with you when I say I totally, completely > and utterly disagree; incidentally, that doesn't happen very often. > I've had fun at movies with blind friends. I've gone out to eat with > blind friends, I've gone out to eat with sighted friends and, yes, I > sometimes enjoy a meal at a food court by myself when I'm really > hungry, just passing through, or need some alone time. To be fair, > I've had to learn some alternative techniques to become comfortable in > places like airports, food courts, totally unfamiliar cities (I'm just > on the plane flying back from New York City and did a lot of traveling > by myself because my dad, who I came with, was in meetings all day), > huge hotels, gigantic shopping malls, etc. I'm not the world's > greatest traveler (far from it), I'm not that great at mentally > mapping places out (better than I used to be, but still terrible), > basically my skills are maybe just a little above average when it > comes to things like this. But, with training, I've become > comfortable and confident with lots of these things; that doesn't mean > it's always a breez, but it's not all that difficult either. And this > is coming from a guy who can get lost easily, this is coming from a > guy who can get absolutely confused by huge parking lots with lots of > buildings. I know what it's like to feel awkward and helpless in a > food court or crowded building; that used to be me, all the time! My > mobility skills are nothing to brag about, I'm a terrible traveler in > lots of ways...and I can deal with a food court just fine. Of course > a big part of movies is visual; but, with audio description becoming > more and more common, this is more accessible than ever. I feel like > I'm able to enjoy whatever I want to, however I chose to (provided I > have the ability and means to do so), just as much as anybody else. I > say this with the utmost civility, but I emphatically reject your > suggestion that sight is a necessary component of a complete life. I > can say it isn't because I routinely participate in every activity > which you say requires "old sightie" in order to be enjoyed fully. I > didn't need "old sightie" to enjoy the most recent Batman movie that > was audio described. (well, I guess you could say that I needed a > sighted person to describe the dang thing, but I don't think that's > relevant to this particular conversation) I didn't need "old sightie" > to enjoy my lunch at the mall I was checking out a couple days ago in > New York city; incidentally, I didn't need "old sightie" to get me > there or guide me where I wanted to go, and I found everything I > wanted to find without too much effort. Of course, I asked for > directions from people where appropriate, sometimes people refused to > stop following me, but I certainly didn't need them there in order to > enjoy my experience...in fact, in this particular instant, it would've > been far more enjoyable had some of those people just gotten out of my > hair! I believe, with my whole being, that "old blindie" can enjoy > the same activities, do the same work, and gain as much meaning from > life as "old sightie." I believe that sight does not make a person > more able to experience life; I believe with my whole heart that sight > does not give life extra meaning and, most importantly, I believe that > blind people can participate in the same life, to the same extent, and > with a level of difficulty comparable to that faced by "old sightie." > Sight is nice, sight is a good thing to have, but it's not critical; > people can experience everything life has to offer, with or without > sight. The way I see it, that's just the way it is. > Warmest regards, > Kirt > > On 8/12/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > > Panda express is too fancy for me though; but yes they do speak english. > > Beth, I know the frustration of the language barrier at fast food places; > > that occurs even without a food court; any fast food place has foreigners > > who may or may not understand you well. This is when I'm thankful for > other > > > > customers reading the menu to me. Around my area, many spanish immigrants > > work these fast food places; nothing agains them working there, but the > > language issue is a problem. I'd pick a place with understable people if > I > > can. > > > > Ashley > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Beth > > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 8:52 PM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants > > > > Have you checked out Panda Express? Man, they are so good, and I > > want to say their customer service is excellent, the ones in > > Colorado that is. They speak English fluently and are really > > happy to help you any time. > > Beth > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Carly Mihalakis > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > > Date sent: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 16:02:06 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants > > > > Hi, Ashley, > > > > If I know I will be visiting a particular > > restaurant who has their menu Online, I > > definitely read it, selecting what sounds good > > ahead of time. If such a menu is not available I > > just ask the folks behind the counter, or on the floor to read > > it. > > As for the food court, the host personnel who > > seat me, are usually more than happy to help out > > by carrying, even getting the drink. After all, > > that's what there there for right? > > CarHi all, Food courts are crowded noisy places. > > They hand you the food on a tray. But often the > > customer has to get their own drink from a row of > > drink spickits. I am talking about the row of > > them where the cups are at the end and the drinks > > are gotten by pressing something to release the > > liquid. So any tips on them? How do you deal > > with these drink areas? Does someone help you? I > > suppose you could memorize it if you went there > > before. How do you find an empty table since your > > hands are full with the tray, unless you ask > > someone to carry it for you. Then, how do you > > find the trashcan? Do you explore where the > > trashcans are before you get your food? Do you > > ask someone to read the menu to you while in > > line, or do it beforehand? Some venues have their > > menu online which I use if possible; other times > > they don?셳. Next, how do you deal with > > restaurants requiring you to order at the counter > > and pick it up at the counter? A fast food place > > usually gives you the food right there at the > > counter. You do not sit and wait. So that > > isn?셳 an issue. If I have to say, wait for > > fries, I do so right at the counter, as anyone > > else would. Restaurants where you do this > > include: Johnny Rockets in some locations deli > > places such as Philadelphia mikes Fudruckers > > Corner Bakery How do you find the counter and > > locate your seat? For me, I?셫 not good at > > reversing routes, and all tables look the same! > > I?셫 asking since I may order at such a > > restaurant with a blind friend and could use some > > tips on this. Thanks. Ashley > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > > your account info for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40co > > mcast.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo > > se%40gmail..com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Aug 13 03:44:15 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 23:44:15 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants In-Reply-To: References: <50284fe5.d110320a.2983.ffffb875@mx.google.com><7D0A7BF183994D96AD040F01DFAF7BE7@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <1F325FE80B0242F1808DEAD3EBBF1034@OwnerPC> Kirt, I'm learning as well taking tips from good O&M instructors and blind friends, virtual friends like you all or face to face friends. I get easily confused and lost too. I know what you mean about that. Malls can be complex and noisy which covers auditory clues we mmight usually use. However, overall, I agree. I can enjoy and participate in life's activities. I go to a mall which happens to hold a gym I belong to alone. I often went to restaurants and a food court alone in college, I did not make many friends. I enjoyed going out. I did not need a sighted companion to get everything out of it. I also agree that while we do need some directions and assistance, a lot of the time they overhelp and follow us around. It would be nice if they got out of our space and left us alone. I think why Carley said what she did was because she likes companionship and I think most of us will hang out with sighted friends; after all, there are more of them in our everyday encounters. And, sighted provides us some immediate imformation that we wouldn't have otherwise. It can be convenient to borrow someone's eyes right away. I could ask a sighted friend to read the menu, show me a trash can, guide me to a table rather than looking for one, etc. So, I can see why she said that. However, it certainly isn't necessary to hang out with sighted people to have fun. In fact, if I'm with a blind friend, there are advantages too since we can relate to many life struggles together and talk about school using alternative techniques. If I'm alone, I generally enjoy myself, although I might feel lonely sometimes. But the advantage is I don't have to hurry and feel like I need to adhere to someone's schedule. Nor do I have to go where they want to or compromise on how to spend our time. So either way, we do go out and should participate in life's activities to the greatest extent possible. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Kirt Manwaring Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 10:43 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants Carly, What? I'm being honest with you when I say I totally, completely and utterly disagree; incidentally, that doesn't happen very often. I've had fun at movies with blind friends. I've gone out to eat with blind friends, I've gone out to eat with sighted friends and, yes, I sometimes enjoy a meal at a food court by myself when I'm really hungry, just passing through, or need some alone time. To be fair, I've had to learn some alternative techniques to become comfortable in places like airports, food courts, totally unfamiliar cities (I'm just on the plane flying back from New York City and did a lot of traveling by myself because my dad, who I came with, was in meetings all day), huge hotels, gigantic shopping malls, etc. I'm not the world's greatest traveler (far from it), I'm not that great at mentally mapping places out (better than I used to be, but still terrible), basically my skills are maybe just a little above average when it comes to things like this. But, with training, I've become comfortable and confident with lots of these things; that doesn't mean it's always a breez, but it's not all that difficult either. And this is coming from a guy who can get lost easily, this is coming from a guy who can get absolutely confused by huge parking lots with lots of buildings. I know what it's like to feel awkward and helpless in a food court or crowded building; that used to be me, all the time! My mobility skills are nothing to brag about, I'm a terrible traveler in lots of ways...and I can deal with a food court just fine. Of course a big part of movies is visual; but, with audio description becoming more and more common, this is more accessible than ever. I feel like I'm able to enjoy whatever I want to, however I chose to (provided I have the ability and means to do so), just as much as anybody else. I say this with the utmost civility, but I emphatically reject your suggestion that sight is a necessary component of a complete life. I can say it isn't because I routinely participate in every activity which you say requires "old sightie" in order to be enjoyed fully. I didn't need "old sightie" to enjoy the most recent Batman movie that was audio described. (well, I guess you could say that I needed a sighted person to describe the dang thing, but I don't think that's relevant to this particular conversation) I didn't need "old sightie" to enjoy my lunch at the mall I was checking out a couple days ago in New York city; incidentally, I didn't need "old sightie" to get me there or guide me where I wanted to go, and I found everything I wanted to find without too much effort. Of course, I asked for directions from people where appropriate, sometimes people refused to stop following me, but I certainly didn't need them there in order to enjoy my experience...in fact, in this particular instant, it would've been far more enjoyable had some of those people just gotten out of my hair! I believe, with my whole being, that "old blindie" can enjoy the same activities, do the same work, and gain as much meaning from life as "old sightie." I believe that sight does not make a person more able to experience life; I believe with my whole heart that sight does not give life extra meaning and, most importantly, I believe that blind people can participate in the same life, to the same extent, and with a level of difficulty comparable to that faced by "old sightie." Sight is nice, sight is a good thing to have, but it's not critical; people can experience everything life has to offer, with or without sight. The way I see it, that's just the way it is. Warmest regards, Kirt On 8/12/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Panda express is too fancy for me though; but yes they do speak english. > Beth, I know the frustration of the language barrier at fast food places; > that occurs even without a food court; any fast food place has foreigners > who may or may not understand you well. This is when I'm thankful for > other > > customers reading the menu to me. Around my area, many spanish immigrants > work these fast food places; nothing agains them working there, but the > language issue is a problem. I'd pick a place with understable people if I > can. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Beth > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 8:52 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants > > Have you checked out Panda Express? Man, they are so good, and I > want to say their customer service is excellent, the ones in > Colorado that is. They speak English fluently and are really > happy to help you any time. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Carly Mihalakis To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 16:02:06 -0700 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants > > Hi, Ashley, > > If I know I will be visiting a particular > restaurant who has their menu Online, I > definitely read it, selecting what sounds good > ahead of time. If such a menu is not available I > just ask the folks behind the counter, or on the floor to read > it. > As for the food court, the host personnel who > seat me, are usually more than happy to help out > by carrying, even getting the drink. After all, > that's what there there for right? > CarHi all, Food courts are crowded noisy places. > They hand you the food on a tray. But often the > customer has to get their own drink from a row of > drink spickits. I am talking about the row of > them where the cups are at the end and the drinks > are gotten by pressing something to release the > liquid. So any tips on them? How do you deal > with these drink areas? Does someone help you? I > suppose you could memorize it if you went there > before. How do you find an empty table since your > hands are full with the tray, unless you ask > someone to carry it for you. Then, how do you > find the trashcan? Do you explore where the > trashcans are before you get your food? Do you > ask someone to read the menu to you while in > line, or do it beforehand? Some venues have their > menu online which I use if possible; other times > they don?셳. Next, how do you deal with > restaurants requiring you to order at the counter > and pick it up at the counter? A fast food place > usually gives you the food right there at the > counter. You do not sit and wait. So that > isn?셳 an issue. If I have to say, wait for > fries, I do so right at the counter, as anyone > else would. Restaurants where you do this > include: Johnny Rockets in some locations deli > places such as Philadelphia mikes Fudruckers > Corner Bakery How do you find the counter and > locate your seat? For me, I?셫 not good at > reversing routes, and all tables look the same! > I?셫 asking since I may order at such a > restaurant with a blind friend and could use some > tips on this. Thanks. Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40co > mcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo > se%40gmail..com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From oliver.doug1 at gmail.com Mon Aug 13 03:56:38 2012 From: oliver.doug1 at gmail.com (Doug Oliver) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 22:56:38 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants References: <50284fe5.d110320a.2983.ffffb875@mx.google.com><7D0A7BF183994D96AD040F01DFAF7BE7@OwnerPC> <1F325FE80B0242F1808DEAD3EBBF1034@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <29189F9B400949F19A67F8A51B3113AF@dougc3dc80fe4d> My fiance is sited, and she loves helping a lot of people if she can. When we went places when I was down with her last November and December, she was extremely helpful with me, making sure I had the things I wanted and/or needed. I'm going to be back with her for the Holidays this year, and I can't wait to see that demonstrated again. Anyways talk soon all, Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 10:44 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants > Kirt, > I'm learning as well taking tips from good O&M instructors and blind > friends, virtual friends like you all or face to face friends. > I get easily confused and lost too. I know what you mean about that. Malls > can be complex and noisy which covers auditory clues we mmight usually > use. > However, overall, I agree. I can enjoy and participate in life's > activities. I go to a mall which happens to hold a gym I belong to alone. > I often went to restaurants and a food court alone in college, I did not > make many friends. I enjoyed going out. I did not need a sighted companion > to get everything out of it. I also agree that while we do need some > directions and assistance, a lot of the time they overhelp and follow us > around. It would be nice if they got out of our space and left us alone. > > I think why Carley said what she did was because she likes companionship > and I think most of us will hang out with sighted friends; after all, > there are more of them in our everyday encounters. And, sighted provides > us some immediate imformation that we wouldn't have > otherwise. It can be convenient to borrow someone's eyes right away. > I could ask a sighted friend to read the menu, show me a trash can, guide > me to a table rather than looking for one, etc. So, I > can see why she said that. However, it certainly isn't necessary to hang > out with sighted people to have fun. > > In fact, if I'm with a blind friend, there are advantages too since we can > relate to many life struggles together and talk about school using > alternative techniques. If I'm alone, I generally enjoy myself, although I > might feel lonely sometimes. But the advantage is I don't have to hurry > and feel like I need to adhere to someone's schedule. Nor do I have to go > where they want to or compromise on how to spend our time. > > So either way, we do go out and should participate in life's activities to > the greatest extent possible. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirt Manwaring > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 10:43 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants > > Carly, > What? I'm being honest with you when I say I totally, completely > and utterly disagree; incidentally, that doesn't happen very often. > I've had fun at movies with blind friends. I've gone out to eat with > blind friends, I've gone out to eat with sighted friends and, yes, I > sometimes enjoy a meal at a food court by myself when I'm really > hungry, just passing through, or need some alone time. To be fair, > I've had to learn some alternative techniques to become comfortable in > places like airports, food courts, totally unfamiliar cities (I'm just > on the plane flying back from New York City and did a lot of traveling > by myself because my dad, who I came with, was in meetings all day), > huge hotels, gigantic shopping malls, etc. I'm not the world's > greatest traveler (far from it), I'm not that great at mentally > mapping places out (better than I used to be, but still terrible), > basically my skills are maybe just a little above average when it > comes to things like this. But, with training, I've become > comfortable and confident with lots of these things; that doesn't mean > it's always a breez, but it's not all that difficult either. And this > is coming from a guy who can get lost easily, this is coming from a > guy who can get absolutely confused by huge parking lots with lots of > buildings. I know what it's like to feel awkward and helpless in a > food court or crowded building; that used to be me, all the time! My > mobility skills are nothing to brag about, I'm a terrible traveler in > lots of ways...and I can deal with a food court just fine. Of course > a big part of movies is visual; but, with audio description becoming > more and more common, this is more accessible than ever. I feel like > I'm able to enjoy whatever I want to, however I chose to (provided I > have the ability and means to do so), just as much as anybody else. I > say this with the utmost civility, but I emphatically reject your > suggestion that sight is a necessary component of a complete life. I > can say it isn't because I routinely participate in every activity > which you say requires "old sightie" in order to be enjoyed fully. I > didn't need "old sightie" to enjoy the most recent Batman movie that > was audio described. (well, I guess you could say that I needed a > sighted person to describe the dang thing, but I don't think that's > relevant to this particular conversation) I didn't need "old sightie" > to enjoy my lunch at the mall I was checking out a couple days ago in > New York city; incidentally, I didn't need "old sightie" to get me > there or guide me where I wanted to go, and I found everything I > wanted to find without too much effort. Of course, I asked for > directions from people where appropriate, sometimes people refused to > stop following me, but I certainly didn't need them there in order to > enjoy my experience...in fact, in this particular instant, it would've > been far more enjoyable had some of those people just gotten out of my > hair! I believe, with my whole being, that "old blindie" can enjoy > the same activities, do the same work, and gain as much meaning from > life as "old sightie." I believe that sight does not make a person > more able to experience life; I believe with my whole heart that sight > does not give life extra meaning and, most importantly, I believe that > blind people can participate in the same life, to the same extent, and > with a level of difficulty comparable to that faced by "old sightie." > Sight is nice, sight is a good thing to have, but it's not critical; > people can experience everything life has to offer, with or without > sight. The way I see it, that's just the way it is. > Warmest regards, > Kirt > > On 8/12/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Panda express is too fancy for me though; but yes they do speak english. >> Beth, I know the frustration of the language barrier at fast food places; >> that occurs even without a food court; any fast food place has foreigners >> who may or may not understand you well. This is when I'm thankful for >> other >> >> customers reading the menu to me. Around my area, many spanish immigrants >> work these fast food places; nothing agains them working there, but the >> language issue is a problem. I'd pick a place with understable people if >> I >> can. >> >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Beth >> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 8:52 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants >> >> Have you checked out Panda Express? Man, they are so good, and I >> want to say their customer service is excellent, the ones in >> Colorado that is. They speak English fluently and are really >> happy to help you any time. >> Beth >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Carly Mihalakis > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 16:02:06 -0700 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants >> >> Hi, Ashley, >> >> If I know I will be visiting a particular >> restaurant who has their menu Online, I >> definitely read it, selecting what sounds good >> ahead of time. If such a menu is not available I >> just ask the folks behind the counter, or on the floor to read >> it. >> As for the food court, the host personnel who >> seat me, are usually more than happy to help out >> by carrying, even getting the drink. After all, >> that's what there there for right? >> CarHi all, Food courts are crowded noisy places. >> They hand you the food on a tray. But often the >> customer has to get their own drink from a row of >> drink spickits. I am talking about the row of >> them where the cups are at the end and the drinks >> are gotten by pressing something to release the >> liquid. So any tips on them? How do you deal >> with these drink areas? Does someone help you? I >> suppose you could memorize it if you went there >> before. How do you find an empty table since your >> hands are full with the tray, unless you ask >> someone to carry it for you. Then, how do you >> find the trashcan? Do you explore where the >> trashcans are before you get your food? Do you >> ask someone to read the menu to you while in >> line, or do it beforehand? Some venues have their >> menu online which I use if possible; other times >> they don?셳. Next, how do you deal with >> restaurants requiring you to order at the counter >> and pick it up at the counter? A fast food place >> usually gives you the food right there at the >> counter. You do not sit and wait. So that >> isn?셳 an issue. If I have to say, wait for >> fries, I do so right at the counter, as anyone >> else would. Restaurants where you do this >> include: Johnny Rockets in some locations deli >> places such as Philadelphia mikes Fudruckers >> Corner Bakery How do you find the counter and >> locate your seat? For me, I?셫 not good at >> reversing routes, and all tables look the same! >> I?셫 asking since I may order at such a >> restaurant with a blind friend and could use some >> tips on this. Thanks. Ashley >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >> your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40co >> mcast.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo >> se%40gmail..com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40gmail.com > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Aug 13 04:05:45 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 00:05:45 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants In-Reply-To: References: <50284fe5.d110320a.2983.ffffb875@mx.google.com><7D0A7BF183994D96AD040F01DFAF7BE7@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <0BBF68782CBD4C5C9400A4FB13C0EAA8@OwnerPC> David, exactly. I can see advantages to doing both. I mentioned that in last email; a huge advantage of a sighted friend is they can serve as your eyes to read menus and help you find the line in that crowded food court. Yet, don't get them to do too much otherwise it may seem like they're taking care of you. Yet, with blind friends, we can have fun and relate to one another in many ways too. It just depends. And what type of people I want to be with certainly varies from day to day. -----Original Message----- From: David Dodge Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 11:41 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants Kirt and Carly, I think you are both right in your own way. We each get to decide what has more value for our own personal experience. Each of us gets to decide if the best experience might be with sighted people, with blind people, or by ourselves. Moreover, this can change based on the day, time, place, and our mood. No right or wrong answers there I don't think. Interesting to realize what the different options mean though. David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 10:43 PM, Kirt Manwaring wrote: > Carly, > What? I'm being honest with you when I say I totally, completely > and utterly disagree; incidentally, that doesn't happen very often. > I've had fun at movies with blind friends. I've gone out to eat with > blind friends, I've gone out to eat with sighted friends and, yes, I > sometimes enjoy a meal at a food court by myself when I'm really > hungry, just passing through, or need some alone time. To be fair, > I've had to learn some alternative techniques to become comfortable in > places like airports, food courts, totally unfamiliar cities (I'm just > on the plane flying back from New York City and did a lot of traveling > by myself because my dad, who I came with, was in meetings all day), > huge hotels, gigantic shopping malls, etc. I'm not the world's > greatest traveler (far from it), I'm not that great at mentally > mapping places out (better than I used to be, but still terrible), > basically my skills are maybe just a little above average when it > comes to things like this. But, with training, I've become > comfortable and confident with lots of these things; that doesn't mean > it's always a breez, but it's not all that difficult either. And this > is coming from a guy who can get lost easily, this is coming from a > guy who can get absolutely confused by huge parking lots with lots of > buildings. I know what it's like to feel awkward and helpless in a > food court or crowded building; that used to be me, all the time! My > mobility skills are nothing to brag about, I'm a terrible traveler in > lots of ways...and I can deal with a food court just fine. Of course > a big part of movies is visual; but, with audio description becoming > more and more common, this is more accessible than ever. I feel like > I'm able to enjoy whatever I want to, however I chose to (provided I > have the ability and means to do so), just as much as anybody else. I > say this with the utmost civility, but I emphatically reject your > suggestion that sight is a necessary component of a complete life. I > can say it isn't because I routinely participate in every activity > which you say requires "old sightie" in order to be enjoyed fully. I > didn't need "old sightie" to enjoy the most recent Batman movie that > was audio described. (well, I guess you could say that I needed a > sighted person to describe the dang thing, but I don't think that's > relevant to this particular conversation) I didn't need "old sightie" > to enjoy my lunch at the mall I was checking out a couple days ago in > New York city; incidentally, I didn't need "old sightie" to get me > there or guide me where I wanted to go, and I found everything I > wanted to find without too much effort. Of course, I asked for > directions from people where appropriate, sometimes people refused to > stop following me, but I certainly didn't need them there in order to > enjoy my experience...in fact, in this particular instant, it would've > been far more enjoyable had some of those people just gotten out of my > hair! I believe, with my whole being, that "old blindie" can enjoy > the same activities, do the same work, and gain as much meaning from > life as "old sightie." I believe that sight does not make a person > more able to experience life; I believe with my whole heart that sight > does not give life extra meaning and, most importantly, I believe that > blind people can participate in the same life, to the same extent, and > with a level of difficulty comparable to that faced by "old sightie." > Sight is nice, sight is a good thing to have, but it's not critical; > people can experience everything life has to offer, with or without > sight. The way I see it, that's just the way it is. > Warmest regards, > Kirt > > On 8/12/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > > Panda express is too fancy for me though; but yes they do speak english. > > Beth, I know the frustration of the language barrier at fast food > > places; > > that occurs even without a food court; any fast food place has > > foreigners > > who may or may not understand you well. This is when I'm thankful for > other > > > > customers reading the menu to me. Around my area, many spanish > > immigrants > > work these fast food places; nothing agains them working there, but the > > language issue is a problem. I'd pick a place with understable people if > I > > can. > > > > Ashley > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Beth > > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 8:52 PM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants > > > > Have you checked out Panda Express? Man, they are so good, and I > > want to say their customer service is excellent, the ones in > > Colorado that is. They speak English fluently and are really > > happy to help you any time. > > Beth > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Carly Mihalakis > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > > Date sent: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 16:02:06 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants > > > > Hi, Ashley, > > > > If I know I will be visiting a particular > > restaurant who has their menu Online, I > > definitely read it, selecting what sounds good > > ahead of time. If such a menu is not available I > > just ask the folks behind the counter, or on the floor to read > > it. > > As for the food court, the host personnel who > > seat me, are usually more than happy to help out > > by carrying, even getting the drink. After all, > > that's what there there for right? > > CarHi all, Food courts are crowded noisy places. > > They hand you the food on a tray. But often the > > customer has to get their own drink from a row of > > drink spickits. I am talking about the row of > > them where the cups are at the end and the drinks > > are gotten by pressing something to release the > > liquid. So any tips on them? How do you deal > > with these drink areas? Does someone help you? I > > suppose you could memorize it if you went there > > before. How do you find an empty table since your > > hands are full with the tray, unless you ask > > someone to carry it for you. Then, how do you > > find the trashcan? Do you explore where the > > trashcans are before you get your food? Do you > > ask someone to read the menu to you while in > > line, or do it beforehand? Some venues have their > > menu online which I use if possible; other times > > they don?셳. Next, how do you deal with > > restaurants requiring you to order at the counter > > and pick it up at the counter? A fast food place > > usually gives you the food right there at the > > counter. You do not sit and wait. So that > > isn?셳 an issue. If I have to say, wait for > > fries, I do so right at the counter, as anyone > > else would. Restaurants where you do this > > include: Johnny Rockets in some locations deli > > places such as Philadelphia mikes Fudruckers > > Corner Bakery How do you find the counter and > > locate your seat? For me, I?셫 not good at > > reversing routes, and all tables look the same! > > I?셫 asking since I may order at such a > > restaurant with a blind friend and could use some > > tips on this. Thanks. Ashley > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > > your account info for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40co > > mcast.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo > > se%40gmail..com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From arielle71 at gmail.com Mon Aug 13 04:22:29 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 22:22:29 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Food Courts, and Going Out Without Sighted Company Message-ID: Hi Kurt, Very well-written and I completely agree. I don't think anyone would deny that it's easier to get around with someone who can read the signs, menus, maps and other information, just as it's easier to get around a foreign country if you're with someone who speaks the native language. However, there are times when it's not convenient or possible to go somewhere with a sighted person. In these cases we shouldn't have to forgo opportunities, or chances to build new friendships, travel or have fun, just because a sighted person doesn't happen to be around who wants to do the same thing. I also don't think that sighted people should ever be obligated to help us. It's great if we happen to have sighted friends or family who are willing to help us out sometimes, or if a stranger offers assistance, but if we want to share the same opportunities and rights as everyone else, then we need to be prepared to handle situations on our own when we need to. Best, Arielle On 8/12/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > David, > exactly. I can see advantages to doing both. I mentioned that in last email; > a huge advantage of a sighted friend is they can serve as your eyes to read > menus and help you find the line in that crowded food court. Yet, don't get > them to do too much otherwise it may seem like they're taking care of you. > Yet, with blind friends, we can have fun and relate to one another in many > ways too. > > It just depends. And what type of people I want to be with certainly varies > from day to day. > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Dodge > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 11:41 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants > > Kirt and Carly, > I think you are both right in your own way. We each get to decide what has > more value for our own personal experience. Each of us gets to decide if > the best experience might be with sighted people, with blind people, or by > ourselves. Moreover, this can change based on the day, time, place, and our > mood. No right or wrong answers there I don't think. Interesting to realize > what the different options mean though. > > David > ---------------------------------- > David Dodge > Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson > English Major > University at Buffalo > 306 Clemens Hall > Buffalo, NY 14260 > daviddod at buffalo.edu > > > On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 10:43 PM, Kirt Manwaring > wrote: > >> Carly, >> What? I'm being honest with you when I say I totally, completely >> and utterly disagree; incidentally, that doesn't happen very often. >> I've had fun at movies with blind friends. I've gone out to eat with >> blind friends, I've gone out to eat with sighted friends and, yes, I >> sometimes enjoy a meal at a food court by myself when I'm really >> hungry, just passing through, or need some alone time. To be fair, >> I've had to learn some alternative techniques to become comfortable in >> places like airports, food courts, totally unfamiliar cities (I'm just >> on the plane flying back from New York City and did a lot of traveling >> by myself because my dad, who I came with, was in meetings all day), >> huge hotels, gigantic shopping malls, etc. I'm not the world's >> greatest traveler (far from it), I'm not that great at mentally >> mapping places out (better than I used to be, but still terrible), >> basically my skills are maybe just a little above average when it >> comes to things like this. But, with training, I've become >> comfortable and confident with lots of these things; that doesn't mean >> it's always a breez, but it's not all that difficult either. And this >> is coming from a guy who can get lost easily, this is coming from a >> guy who can get absolutely confused by huge parking lots with lots of >> buildings. I know what it's like to feel awkward and helpless in a >> food court or crowded building; that used to be me, all the time! My >> mobility skills are nothing to brag about, I'm a terrible traveler in >> lots of ways...and I can deal with a food court just fine. Of course >> a big part of movies is visual; but, with audio description becoming >> more and more common, this is more accessible than ever. I feel like >> I'm able to enjoy whatever I want to, however I chose to (provided I >> have the ability and means to do so), just as much as anybody else. I >> say this with the utmost civility, but I emphatically reject your >> suggestion that sight is a necessary component of a complete life. I >> can say it isn't because I routinely participate in every activity >> which you say requires "old sightie" in order to be enjoyed fully. I >> didn't need "old sightie" to enjoy the most recent Batman movie that >> was audio described. (well, I guess you could say that I needed a >> sighted person to describe the dang thing, but I don't think that's >> relevant to this particular conversation) I didn't need "old sightie" >> to enjoy my lunch at the mall I was checking out a couple days ago in >> New York city; incidentally, I didn't need "old sightie" to get me >> there or guide me where I wanted to go, and I found everything I >> wanted to find without too much effort. Of course, I asked for >> directions from people where appropriate, sometimes people refused to >> stop following me, but I certainly didn't need them there in order to >> enjoy my experience...in fact, in this particular instant, it would've >> been far more enjoyable had some of those people just gotten out of my >> hair! I believe, with my whole being, that "old blindie" can enjoy >> the same activities, do the same work, and gain as much meaning from >> life as "old sightie." I believe that sight does not make a person >> more able to experience life; I believe with my whole heart that sight >> does not give life extra meaning and, most importantly, I believe that >> blind people can participate in the same life, to the same extent, and >> with a level of difficulty comparable to that faced by "old sightie." >> Sight is nice, sight is a good thing to have, but it's not critical; >> people can experience everything life has to offer, with or without >> sight. The way I see it, that's just the way it is. >> Warmest regards, >> Kirt >> >> On 8/12/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> > Panda express is too fancy for me though; but yes they do speak english. >> > Beth, I know the frustration of the language barrier at fast food >> > places; >> > that occurs even without a food court; any fast food place has >> > foreigners >> > who may or may not understand you well. This is when I'm thankful for >> other >> > >> > customers reading the menu to me. Around my area, many spanish >> > immigrants >> > work these fast food places; nothing agains them working there, but the >> > language issue is a problem. I'd pick a place with understable people if >> I >> > can. >> > >> > Ashley >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Beth >> > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 8:52 PM >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants >> > >> > Have you checked out Panda Express? Man, they are so good, and I >> > want to say their customer service is excellent, the ones in >> > Colorado that is. They speak English fluently and are really >> > happy to help you any time. >> > Beth >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: Carly Mihalakis > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > > > Date sent: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 16:02:06 -0700 >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants >> > >> > Hi, Ashley, >> > >> > If I know I will be visiting a particular >> > restaurant who has their menu Online, I >> > definitely read it, selecting what sounds good >> > ahead of time. If such a menu is not available I >> > just ask the folks behind the counter, or on the floor to read >> > it. >> > As for the food court, the host personnel who >> > seat me, are usually more than happy to help out >> > by carrying, even getting the drink. After all, >> > that's what there there for right? >> > CarHi all, Food courts are crowded noisy places. >> > They hand you the food on a tray. But often the >> > customer has to get their own drink from a row of >> > drink spickits. I am talking about the row of >> > them where the cups are at the end and the drinks >> > are gotten by pressing something to release the >> > liquid. So any tips on them? How do you deal >> > with these drink areas? Does someone help you? I >> > suppose you could memorize it if you went there >> > before. How do you find an empty table since your >> > hands are full with the tray, unless you ask >> > someone to carry it for you. Then, how do you >> > find the trashcan? Do you explore where the >> > trashcans are before you get your food? Do you >> > ask someone to read the menu to you while in >> > line, or do it beforehand? Some venues have their >> > menu online which I use if possible; other times >> > they don?셳. Next, how do you deal with >> > restaurants requiring you to order at the counter >> > and pick it up at the counter? A fast food place >> > usually gives you the food right there at the >> > counter. You do not sit and wait. So that >> > isn?셳 an issue. If I have to say, wait for >> > fries, I do so right at the counter, as anyone >> > else would. Restaurants where you do this >> > include: Johnny Rockets in some locations deli >> > places such as Philadelphia mikes Fudruckers >> > Corner Bakery How do you find the counter and >> > locate your seat? For me, I?셫 not good at >> > reversing routes, and all tables look the same! >> > I?셫 asking since I may order at such a >> > restaurant with a blind friend and could use some >> > tips on this. Thanks. Ashley >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >> > your account info for nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40co >> > mcast.net >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> > for nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo >> > se%40gmail..com >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com Mon Aug 13 06:44:50 2012 From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt Manwaring) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 00:44:50 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] (nabs-l) introduction In-Reply-To: <93CAB917F08645F2826C1A859654F3C0@anyone> References: <93CAB917F08645F2826C1A859654F3C0@anyone> Message-ID: Danielle, I guess I'm late to the party...but welcome! As you've probably seen, this list can get crazy sometimes but it's worth it! I promise! :) Good luck with marine biology. If you're determined to do it, don't you dare let anyone convince you to change your mind on account of your blindness. I'm sure you'll have people tell you to look for something more "realistic" or "practical" for a blind person. Pardon my french, but screw them! :) Best, Kirt On 8/12/12, McMahon, Cory J wrote: > Dear Danielle, > > Welcome to the list; hope you find this to be a useful resource for > information concerning college! > > Sincerely, > > Cory McMahon > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Danielle Sykora" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 9:10 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] (nabs-l) introduction > > >> Hi everyone, >> Thanks for the welcome! >> When I graduate high school I plan to go to college (probably for >> marine biology). >> Danielle >> >> On 8/12/12, Deb Mendelsohn wrote: >>> Hi Danielle, >>> Nice to meet you. I'm Deb in AZ attending Library School at UA come >>> spring >>> as that grad school does NOT have a fall admission. >>> Deb >>> >>> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Danielle Sykora >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi everyone, >>>> I have recently joined the list and wanted to introduce myself. My >>>> name is Danielle and I live in New Jersey. I am a sophomore in high >>>> school. I look forward to taking part in future discussions. >>>> Danielle >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/deb.mendelsohn%40gmail.com >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cjmc404%40hotmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com > From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Mon Aug 13 11:44:20 2012 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Baccchus) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 07:44:20 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Welcome Back To School Message-ID: <5028e89d.7397ec0a.0a9e.5b49@mx.google.com> Welcome back to the beginning of another schoolyear. I hope you are all well-rested refreshed and ready to learn. Today is the first day of school for students in Seminole county. I start my second year of college in two weeks. Wishing you the best this schoolyear. From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Aug 13 15:18:41 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 11:18:41 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Welcome Back To School In-Reply-To: <5028e89d.7397ec0a.0a9e.5b49@mx.google.com> References: <5028e89d.7397ec0a.0a9e.5b49@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <009501cd7966$edde0cf0$c99a26d0$@gmail.com> Hi Roanna, You all start early! Here in Maryland, we start on the 27th. For me,the 27th will be my first day of high school! I too wish everyone a successful school year! Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Roanna Baccchus Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 7:44 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Welcome Back To School Welcome back to the beginning of another schoolyear. I hope you are all well-rested refreshed and ready to learn. Today is the first day of school for students in Seminole county. I start my second year of college in two weeks. Wishing you the best this schoolyear. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Mon Aug 13 15:26:54 2012 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 08:26:54 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Welcome Back To School In-Reply-To: <009501cd7966$edde0cf0$c99a26d0$@gmail.com> References: <5028e89d.7397ec0a.0a9e.5b49@mx.google.com> <009501cd7966$edde0cf0$c99a26d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00ae01cd7968$12bd2dc0$38378940$@gmail.com> Well...I will be even lazier. I start my second year of college on Sep. 24 -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 8:19 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Welcome Back To School Hi Roanna, You all start early! Here in Maryland, we start on the 27th. For me,the 27th will be my first day of high school! I too wish everyone a successful school year! Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Roanna Baccchus Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 7:44 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Welcome Back To School Welcome back to the beginning of another schoolyear. I hope you are all well-rested refreshed and ready to learn. Today is the first day of school for students in Seminole county. I start my second year of college in two weeks. Wishing you the best this schoolyear. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g mail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Aug 13 16:04:28 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 12:04:28 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Welcome Back To School In-Reply-To: <00ae01cd7968$12bd2dc0$38378940$@gmail.com> References: <5028e89d.7397ec0a.0a9e.5b49@mx.google.com> <009501cd7966$edde0cf0$c99a26d0$@gmail.com> <00ae01cd7968$12bd2dc0$38378940$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001cd796d$52ce2450$f86a6cf0$@gmail.com> Hi Humberto, I'm jealous! References: <8D7FDB6767A74B29ADFF362C2B30E6F8@dougc3dc80fe4d> Message-ID: <000701cd796d$b9e06720$2da13560$@gmail.com> Hey Doug, Glad to see you back on the list! Still on Audio Access FM? Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Doug Oliver Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 10:07 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] (nabs-l) introduction Hey Danielle, welcome to the list. My name's Doug Oliver, and I've been on this list for some time, but haven't posted in ages. I hope everyone of you are doing well. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deb Mendelsohn" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] (nabs-l) introduction > Hi Danielle, > Nice to meet you. I'm Deb in AZ attending Library School at UA come > spring > as that grad school does NOT have a fall admission. > Deb > > On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Danielle Sykora > wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> I have recently joined the list and wanted to introduce myself. My >> name is Danielle and I live in New Jersey. I am a sophomore in high >> school. I look forward to taking part in future discussions. >> Danielle >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/deb.mendelsohn%40gmail.c om >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Aug 13 16:14:21 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 12:14:21 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] (nabs-l) introduction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000801cd796e$b49ca2a0$1dd5e7e0$@gmail.com> Hi Danielle, I'm sorry I'm late in doing this, but welcome to the list! I hope you find the discussion here to be both informative and entertaining! As I tell all new members, if you have any questions about anything related to blindness or being a blind student, please don't hesitate to ask us; we're all here to help each other! Good luck with marine biology! It's great to see that we have so many blind people taking an interest in STEM subjects; fields which were thought to be impossible for blind people to succeed in. Keep following your dreams! Again, welcome to the list! Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Danielle Sykora Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 9:14 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] (nabs-l) introduction Hi everyone, I have recently joined the list and wanted to introduce myself. My name is Danielle and I live in New Jersey. I am a sophomore in high school. I look forward to taking part in future discussions. Danielle _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From zerone1683 at gmail.com Mon Aug 13 17:08:09 2012 From: zerone1683 at gmail.com (Chun Chao) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 10:08:09 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Welcome Back To School In-Reply-To: <000001cd796d$52ce2450$f86a6cf0$@gmail.com> References: <5028e89d.7397ec0a.0a9e.5b49@mx.google.com> <009501cd7966$edde0cf0$c99a26d0$@gmail.com> <00ae01cd7968$12bd2dc0$38378940$@gmail.com> <000001cd796d$52ce2450$f86a6cf0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001cd7976$37d489b0$a77d9d10$@com> Hello All NABS: For the high school students who start early in the school year, just think of it that your school year will end early. As for the college students...well...it depends on if you are beginning college, in the middle of it, or finishing it up. Although it does not hurt to take additional (and easy) courses along with the last course or so to help buffer up the college GPA. Yet regardless of what status you are in as a student, there is always something to learn throughout life. Regards, C.C. Alan Northern Nevada NFB -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 9:04 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Welcome Back To School Hi Humberto, I'm jealous! References: <1931689734.8420896.1344816939432.JavaMail.app@ela4-app0133.prod> Message-ID: <002501cd7976$b2624960$1726dc20$@gmail.com> Hi Kirt, Did you mean to send this to the list? Thanks, Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kirt Manwaring via LinkedIn Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 8:16 PM To: Eric Gaudes Subject: [nabs-l] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn LinkedIn ------------ Kirt Manwaring requested to add you as a connection on LinkedIn: ------------------------------------------ Eric, I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. - Kirt Accept invitation from Kirt Manwaring http://www.linkedin.com/e/-qot5zu-h5sta7j7-63/2LScsQM0ZAGW3fi7AMe09Fk_pJsa/b lk/I347169349_11/0UcDpKqiRzolZKqiRybmRSrCBvrmRLoORIrmkZt5YCpnlOt3RApnhMpmdzg mhxrSNBszYNclYVd3cVdz4Td3d9bPlJt3xgjkJbbPcTejkMcjcMczwLrCBxbOYWrSlI/eml-comm _invm-b-in_ac-inv28/?hs=false&tok=0kXC_u-usL0lo1 View profile of Kirt Manwaring http://www.linkedin.com/e/-qot5zu-h5sta7j7-63/rso/198614058/pQB_/name/858138 88_I347169349_11/?hs=false&tok=1eWyIp-kYL0lo1 ------------------------------------------ You are receiving Invitation emails. This email was intended for Eric Gaudes. Learn why this is included: http://www.linkedin.com/e/-qot5zu-h5sta7j7-63/plh/http%3A%2F%2Fhelp%2Elinked in%2Ecom%2Fapp%2Fanswers%2Fdetail%2Fa_id%2F4788/-GXI/?hs=false&tok=3W4d9902Q L0lo1 (c) 2012, LinkedIn Corporation. 2029 Stierlin Ct, Mountain View, CA 94043, USA. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Mon Aug 13 17:13:22 2012 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Baccchus) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 13:13:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Looking For Work Message-ID: <502935bc.4c89ec0a.57eb.0384@mx.google.com> Hello listers is anyone in the Fort Lauderdale area looking for a job? If so please email me offlist at r. bacchus 228 at gmail dot com. I have some information about an event that is taking place tomorrow that I would like to pass onto you. Please email me as soon as possible. From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Aug 13 17:13:57 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 13:13:57 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A 200 Dollar Prize Up For Grabs And A Party InvitationJust For You Tonight In-Reply-To: <502844ad.145b650a.6842.1cc4@mx.google.com> References: <502844ad.145b650a.6842.1cc4@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <002601cd7977$0753e460$15fbad20$@gmail.com> Hi Winona, The stream does work on the BrailleNote if you use this link: www.audioaccessfm.com/broadband.php. Hope this helps, Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Winona Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 8:04 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A 200 Dollar Prize Up For Grabs And A Party InvitationJust For You Tonight Does this work with the Brationete Apex? Winona trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com "Work more hard then you ever worked. Sweat more then you have ever sweat. Be much more intense then you have ever been. BREATHE much more then you ever have. GET BETTER EVERY DAY. When you feel like you have put out everything. There is always one more ounce more you can give. PUSH." - Nick Barsuglia "Your horn is just an amplifier for the music inside you." - Robert W. Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dunphy" From David Dunphy, host of THe Djd Invasion and station manager, Audio Access FM http://www.audioaccessfm.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trumpetqueenw b%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Mon Aug 13 17:14:45 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 12:14:45 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn In-Reply-To: <002501cd7976$b2624960$1726dc20$@gmail.com> References: <1931689734.8420896.1344816939432.JavaMail.app@ela4-app0133.prod> <002501cd7976$b2624960$1726dc20$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Linkedin does this to everyone in his contacts. I'm surprised I didn't get the invite, (LOL!) Just ignore it. Blessings, Joshua On 8/13/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi Kirt, > > Did you mean to send this to the list? > > Thanks, > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Kirt Manwaring via LinkedIn > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 8:16 PM > To: Eric Gaudes > Subject: [nabs-l] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn > > LinkedIn > ------------ > > > > > Kirt Manwaring requested to add you as a connection on LinkedIn: > > > ------------------------------------------ > > Eric, > > I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. > > - Kirt > > Accept invitation from Kirt Manwaring > http://www.linkedin.com/e/-qot5zu-h5sta7j7-63/2LScsQM0ZAGW3fi7AMe09Fk_pJsa/b > lk/I347169349_11/0UcDpKqiRzolZKqiRybmRSrCBvrmRLoORIrmkZt5YCpnlOt3RApnhMpmdzg > mhxrSNBszYNclYVd3cVdz4Td3d9bPlJt3xgjkJbbPcTejkMcjcMczwLrCBxbOYWrSlI/eml-comm > _invm-b-in_ac-inv28/?hs=false&tok=0kXC_u-usL0lo1 > > View profile of Kirt Manwaring > http://www.linkedin.com/e/-qot5zu-h5sta7j7-63/rso/198614058/pQB_/name/858138 > 88_I347169349_11/?hs=false&tok=1eWyIp-kYL0lo1 > ------------------------------------------ > You are receiving Invitation emails. > > > This email was intended for Eric Gaudes. > Learn why this is included: > http://www.linkedin.com/e/-qot5zu-h5sta7j7-63/plh/http%3A%2F%2Fhelp%2Elinked > in%2Ecom%2Fapp%2Fanswers%2Fdetail%2Fa_id%2F4788/-GXI/?hs=false&tok=3W4d9902Q > L0lo1 > > (c) 2012, LinkedIn Corporation. 2029 Stierlin Ct, Mountain View, CA 94043, > USA. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Aug 13 18:42:05 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 14:42:05 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Welcome Back To School In-Reply-To: <5028e89d.7397ec0a.0a9e.5b49@mx.google.com> References: <5028e89d.7397ec0a.0a9e.5b49@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi, thanks, I'm a part time student at nova, our state community college. I , too, start school soon; in a bit over a week. I look forward to it. Hope your year goes well too. -----Original Message----- From: Roanna Baccchus Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 7:44 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Welcome Back To School Welcome back to the beginning of another schoolyear. I hope you are all well-rested refreshed and ready to learn. Today is the first day of school for students in Seminole county. I start my second year of college in two weeks. Wishing you the best this schoolyear. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From joshkart12 at gmail.com Mon Aug 13 19:08:00 2012 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (josh gregory) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 15:08:00 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Welcome Back To School In-Reply-To: <00ae01cd7968$12bd2dc0$38378940$@gmail.com> References: <5028e89d.7397ec0a.0a9e.5b49@mx.google.com> <009501cd7966$edde0cf0$c99a26d0$@gmail.com> <00ae01cd7968$12bd2dc0$38378940$@gmail.com> Message-ID: You're lucky!!!! I start 20 days before you. On 8/13/12, Humberto Avila wrote: > Well...I will be even lazier. I start my second year of college on Sep. 24 > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 8:19 AM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Welcome Back To School > > Hi Roanna, > > You all start early! Here in Maryland, we start on the 27th. For me,the > 27th > will be my first day of high school! I too wish everyone a successful > school > year! > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Roanna Baccchus > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 7:44 AM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Welcome Back To School > > Welcome back to the beginning of another schoolyear. I hope you are all > well-rested refreshed and ready to learn. Today is the first day of school > for students in Seminole county. I start my second year of college in two > weeks. Wishing you the best this schoolyear. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com > -- Ways to Connect with me: facebook.com/evercuriousmasteryodo twitter.com/joshg93 Skype: joshgregory93 FaceTime, iMessage and iChat: joshkart12 at gmail.com From fowlers at syix.com Mon Aug 13 19:43:08 2012 From: fowlers at syix.com (Angela Fowler) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 12:43:08 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] NFB of California Scholarships now available Message-ID: <002501cd798b$dde108a0$99a319e0$@syix.com> Hello, At our annual convention, the National Federation of the Blind of California will be offering four scholarships ranging in value from $2000 to $5000. For more information, including the guidelines and online application, please visit: http://sixdots.org/2012/08/scholarship-application-available/ Good luck, Angela Fowler From fowlers at syix.com Mon Aug 13 19:49:06 2012 From: fowlers at syix.com (Angela Fowler) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 12:49:06 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Register now for the Breaking Down Barriers Seminar! Message-ID: <002a01cd798c$b31b5e30$19521a90$@syix.com> Hello, Attached and pasted below, please find the announcement for the California Association of Blind Students Breaking Down Barriers Seminar, to be held on September 21 at Sacramento State University. To register online for this event, please visit: http://www.formstack.com/forms/?1248586-AeMtSgI3qc Description: chemistryclass1 Breaking down Barriers Come join the California Association of Blind Students (CABS) for a day of fun and learning. 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Name: breaking_down_barriers_NCAL.doc Type: application/msword Size: 547328 bytes Desc: not available URL: From djdrocks22180 at audioaccessfm.com Mon Aug 13 23:31:37 2012 From: djdrocks22180 at audioaccessfm.com (David Dunphy) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 19:31:37 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] The Press Your Luck Tournament Registration Is Live As Is Tonight's Djd Invasion Message-ID: Hi Everyone! At long last, the link you all have been waiting for is up and live and ready for registrations! Our 200 Prize Giveaway Press Your Luck Tournament's registration page is live and ready to kick ass and take names. Why not fill it out at http://www.audioaccessfm.com/tournamentregistration And while doing that, look out for a special Djd Invasion, starting at 8 PM eastern on Audio Access FM. A Judge Judy clip of the month, great music, your requests and more will be what makes this three hours shine. During the show, contact me via email at daviddunphy at audioaccessfm.com Via msn or aol instant messengers at interact at audioaccessfm.com Via skype at audio.accessfm Or twitter at either djdrocks or audioaccessfm And to listen, visit http://www.audioaccessfm.com/broadband.php at any time between 8 PM and 11 PM eastern to tune in. Enjoy! From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Aug 14 01:32:38 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 21:32:38 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Welcome Back To School In-Reply-To: References: <5028e89d.7397ec0a.0a9e.5b49@mx.google.com> <009501cd7966$edde0cf0$c99a26d0$@gmail.com> <00ae01cd7968$12bd2dc0$38378940$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <007601cd79bc$b1f44280$15dcc780$@gmail.com> Hi Josh, You still start later than me, though. Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of josh gregory Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 3:08 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Welcome Back To School You're lucky!!!! I start 20 days before you. On 8/13/12, Humberto Avila wrote: > Well...I will be even lazier. I start my second year of college on > Sep. 24 > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 8:19 AM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Welcome Back To School > > Hi Roanna, > > You all start early! Here in Maryland, we start on the 27th. For > me,the 27th will be my first day of high school! I too wish everyone a > successful school year! > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Roanna Baccchus > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 7:44 AM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Welcome Back To School > > Welcome back to the beginning of another schoolyear. I hope you are > all well-rested refreshed and ready to learn. Today is the first day > of school for students in Seminole county. I start my second year of > college in two weeks. Wishing you the best this schoolyear. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40g > mail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humbert > o2%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail > .com > -- Ways to Connect with me: facebook.com/evercuriousmasteryodo twitter.com/joshg93 Skype: joshgregory93 FaceTime, iMessage and iChat: joshkart12 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From mistydbradley at gmail.com Tue Aug 14 02:12:46 2012 From: mistydbradley at gmail.com (Misty Dawn Bradley) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 22:12:46 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Welcome Back To School References: <5028e89d.7397ec0a.0a9e.5b49@mx.google.com> <009501cd7966$edde0cf0$c99a26d0$@gmail.com> <00ae01cd7968$12bd2dc0$38378940$@gmail.com> <007601cd79bc$b1f44280$15dcc780$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Wow! September 24 is later. I start at my local community college on August 20 here in North Carolina. It is strange how college differs in start and end dates from the local school system, which starts on August 27, which is the date that my daughter starts school. Misty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Welcome Back To School > Hi Josh, > > You still start later than me, though. > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of josh gregory > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 3:08 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Welcome Back To School > > You're lucky!!!! I start 20 days before you. > > On 8/13/12, Humberto Avila wrote: >> Well...I will be even lazier. I start my second year of college on >> Sep. 24 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum >> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 8:19 AM >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Welcome Back To School >> >> Hi Roanna, >> >> You all start early! Here in Maryland, we start on the 27th. For >> me,the 27th will be my first day of high school! I too wish everyone a >> successful school year! >> >> Chris >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf Of Roanna Baccchus >> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 7:44 AM >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] Welcome Back To School >> >> Welcome back to the beginning of another schoolyear. I hope you are >> all well-rested refreshed and ready to learn. Today is the first day >> of school for students in Seminole county. I start my second year of >> college in two weeks. Wishing you the best this schoolyear. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40g >> mail.c >> om >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humbert >> o2%40g >> mail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail >> .com >> > > > -- > Ways to Connect with me: > > facebook.com/evercuriousmasteryodo > > twitter.com/joshg93 > Skype: joshgregory93 > FaceTime, iMessage and iChat: joshkart12 at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com From amieelsabo at gmail.com Tue Aug 14 02:31:06 2012 From: amieelsabo at gmail.com (Amy Sabo) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 20:31:06 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] (nabs-l) introduction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00ad01cd79c4$dbc2cca0$934865e0$@gmail.com> Hello Danielle, Welcome to the land of nabs. My name is amy sabo and, I have been on this list since 2001. I currently live in Colorado but, I'm originally from Michigan. Please feel free to share whatever you like to share with us. We are all here for you and, just know that you aren't alone here. We are all here for each other. Well, that's all for now take care and, I will talk to you soon. Hugs, amy -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Danielle Sykora Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 7:14 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] (nabs-l) introduction Hi everyone, I have recently joined the list and wanted to introduce myself. My name is Danielle and I live in New Jersey. I am a sophomore in high school. I look forward to taking part in future discussions. Danielle _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amieelsabo%40gmail.com From amieelsabo at gmail.com Tue Aug 14 02:43:20 2012 From: amieelsabo at gmail.com (Amy Sabo) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 20:43:20 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants In-Reply-To: <9EEEB32F499840C5BD5DAE001B2C42C3@OwnerPC> References: <9EEEB32F499840C5BD5DAE001B2C42C3@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <00bb01cd79c6$91950380$b4bf0a80$@gmail.com> Hello Ashley, Well, where do I begin on this topic. Well, when I go alone or with my sister who is also blind or blind friends we ask the person who is waiting us to read us the menus. But, most places that we normally go to we already know the menus since we have been there before. But, if I'm with a sighted person they read the menu to me. As to the soda fountain thing I just ask someone who is near there where the soda or what I want to drink is and, then I can do it on my own. But, if there isn't anyone there then I have the person who is working the counter to do it for me. As for getting my food I can carry a tray with one hand and use my cane with the other one. But, I prefer to have my food put in a bag instead of using a tray. So, I mainly ask for a bag for my food. As to finding a place to sit if I'm alone I ask people if there's an empty place there or listen to where people are. If I don't hear anything I know that it's empty. But, if I go with my sister she mans the table for us while I get the food and, then tactually gestures me over to the table that she has kept for us. But, if I'm with other blind friends we do the same too. I hope these ideas are helpful for you. Take care and, I will talk to you soon. Hugs, amy -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 4:51 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants Hi all, Food courts are crowded noisy places. They hand you the food on a tray. But often the customer has to get their own drink from a row of drink spickits. I am talking about the row of them where the cups are at the end and the drinks are gotten by pressing something to release the liquid. So any tips on them? How do you deal with these drink areas? Does someone help you? I suppose you could memorize it if you went there before. How do you find an empty table since your hands are full with the tray, unless you ask someone to carry it for you. Then, how do you find the trashcan? Do you explore where the trashcans are before you get your food? Do you ask someone to read the menu to you while in line, or do it beforehand? Some venues have their menu online which I use if possible; other times they don’t. Next, how do you deal with restaurants requiring you to order at the counter and pick it up at the counter? A fast food place usually gives you the food right there at the counter. You do not sit and wait. So that isn’t an issue. If I have to say, wait for fries, I do so right at the counter, as anyone else would. Restaurants where you do this include: Johnny Rockets in some locations deli places such as Philadelphia mikes Fudruckers Corner Bakery How do you find the counter and locate your seat? For me, I’m not good at reversing routes, and all tables look the same! I’m asking since I may order at such a restaurant with a blind friend and could use some tips on this. Thanks. Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amieelsabo%40gmail.com From amieelsabo at gmail.com Tue Aug 14 02:55:35 2012 From: amieelsabo at gmail.com (Amy Sabo) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 20:55:35 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] The Press Your Luck Tournament Registration Is Live As Is Tonight's Djd Invasion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00ca01cd79c8$4776a3b0$d663eb10$@gmail.com> Hello david, Thanks for posting this awesome contest. I have already registered for it and, it sounds like a blast! I know that I missed most of this year in listening and interacting with you on air well, after next week becca will be going back to school so, I will be there for the rest of the year including the big birthday bash for audio access fm. Thanks again for this and, I will talk to you soon. Hugs, amy -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Dunphy Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 5:32 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] The Press Your Luck Tournament Registration Is Live As Is Tonight's Djd Invasion Hi Everyone! At long last, the link you all have been waiting for is up and live and ready for registrations! Our 200 Prize Giveaway Press Your Luck Tournament's registration page is live and ready to kick ass and take names. Why not fill it out at http://www.audioaccessfm.com/tournamentregistration And while doing that, look out for a special Djd Invasion, starting at 8 PM eastern on Audio Access FM. A Judge Judy clip of the month, great music, your requests and more will be what makes this three hours shine. During the show, contact me via email at daviddunphy at audioaccessfm.com Via msn or aol instant messengers at interact at audioaccessfm.com Via skype at audio.accessfm Or twitter at either djdrocks or audioaccessfm And to listen, visit http://www.audioaccessfm.com/broadband.php at any time between 8 PM and 11 PM eastern to tune in. Enjoy! _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amieelsabo%40gmail.com From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Tue Aug 14 16:23:10 2012 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 09:23:10 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Meet The National Association of Blind Students: The board and committees. Message-ID: Hey Nabs-sters! Convention has come and gone, and we all as members of the National Association of Blind Students are ready to start anew. Just one thing though; who’s on the board this year? What kind of committees can we expect to see? Who on the board will be working with my student division more closely? The national Association of Blind Students (NABS) invites you to our first call of the 2012 – 2013 term! On this call the newly elected nabs board will be on hand to meet with you all and discuss the offices they hold, the regions they serve and the committees they chair. This call, will take place on Sunday, August 19, at 7p.m. Eastern/4p.m. Pacific Time. Who: The National Association of Blind Students What: Meet the nabs board. When: 8/19/11, 7p.m. ET Where: (712) 775-7100 and enter pass code 257963. Why: Because together we can do great things, but only if we work together! We look forward to meeting you! Yours, The National Association of Blind Students. -- Darian Smith "Let's work together to eliminate Subminimum Wages for People with Disabilities" http://www.nfb.org/fairwages "To dream what is possible and to put oneself in service of that dream is the formula for a life well lived." - Dr. Peter Benson From n.shreyas.reddy at gmail.com Tue Aug 14 20:09:31 2012 From: n.shreyas.reddy at gmail.com (Shreyas N Reddy) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 01:39:31 +0530 Subject: [nabs-l] regarding midi & connecting casio Message-ID: hi all hope ur all fine 1 request my pals I have a keyboard or casio basically which is pertaining to music. The model no: casio 810 I would like to connect my music keyboard to my computer. So, is there any kind of remedy for me? I wanted to later make some alteration in the music I make or edit, or change the tone of the totally heard song or do some thing innovative. So, could u experts, please help me? Please throw more light on this? -- in regards Shreyas Nagaraj Reddy -- in regards Shreyas Nagaraj Reddy -- in regards Shreyas Nagaraj Reddy From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Wed Aug 15 02:11:55 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 22:11:55 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] regarding midi & connecting casio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001301cd7a8b$59599ba0$0c0cd2e0$@gmail.com> Hi Shreyas, You might want to ask our Music Talk list. To join this list, send an email with the subject subscribe to musictlk-request at nfbnet.org. Hope this helps, Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Shreyas N Reddy Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 4:10 PM To: Blind International Students Mailing List; blind-computing at jaws-users.com; blindcity; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] regarding midi & connecting casio hi all hope ur all fine 1 request my pals I have a keyboard or casio basically which is pertaining to music. The model no: casio 810 I would like to connect my music keyboard to my computer. So, is there any kind of remedy for me? I wanted to later make some alteration in the music I make or edit, or change the tone of the totally heard song or do some thing innovative. So, could u experts, please help me? Please throw more light on this? -- in regards Shreyas Nagaraj Reddy -- in regards Shreyas Nagaraj Reddy -- in regards Shreyas Nagaraj Reddy _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Wed Aug 15 02:30:10 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 21:30:10 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] regarding midi & connecting casio In-Reply-To: <001301cd7a8b$59599ba0$0c0cd2e0$@gmail.com> References: <001301cd7a8b$59599ba0$0c0cd2e0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: He's on that list. He should've E-mailed them. Blessings, Joshua On 8/14/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi Shreyas, > > You might want to ask our Music Talk list. To join this list, send an email > with the subject subscribe to musictlk-request at nfbnet.org. > > Hope this helps, > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Shreyas N Reddy > Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 4:10 PM > To: Blind International Students Mailing List; > blind-computing at jaws-users.com; blindcity; National Association of Blind > Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] regarding midi & connecting casio > > hi all > hope ur all fine > 1 request my pals > I have a keyboard or casio basically which is pertaining to music. > The model no: casio 810 > I would like to connect my music keyboard to my computer. > So, is there any kind of remedy for me? > I wanted to later make some alteration in the music I make or edit, or > change the tone of the totally heard song or do some thing innovative. > So, could u experts, please help me? > Please throw more light on this? > -- > in regards > Shreyas Nagaraj Reddy > > > > -- > in regards > Shreyas Nagaraj Reddy > > > -- > in regards > Shreyas Nagaraj Reddy > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From n.shreyas.reddy at gmail.com Wed Aug 15 02:54:27 2012 From: n.shreyas.reddy at gmail.com (Shreyas N Reddy) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 08:24:27 +0530 Subject: [nabs-l] thank u very much criss Message-ID: & I am extremely sorry members for posting wrong doubt or enquiry about music On 8/15/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi Shreyas, > > You might want to ask our Music Talk list. To join this list, send an email > with the subject subscribe to musictlk-request at nfbnet.org. > > Hope this helps, > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Shreyas N Reddy > Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 4:10 PM > To: Blind International Students Mailing List; > blind-computing at jaws-users.com; blindcity; National Association of Blind > Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] regarding midi & connecting casio > > hi all > hope ur all fine > 1 request my pals > I have a keyboard or casio basically which is pertaining to music. > The model no: casio 810 > I would like to connect my music keyboard to my computer. > So, is there any kind of remedy for me? > I wanted to later make some alteration in the music I make or edit, or > change the tone of the totally heard song or do some thing innovative. > So, could u experts, please help me? > Please throw more light on this? > -- > in regards > Shreyas Nagaraj Reddy > > > > -- > in regards > Shreyas Nagaraj Reddy > > > -- > in regards > Shreyas Nagaraj Reddy > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/n.shreyas.reddy%40gmail.com > -- in regards Shreyas Nagaraj Reddy From daviddod at buffalo.edu Wed Aug 15 15:56:10 2012 From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 11:56:10 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Diversity in Disability Symposium Final Video Message-ID: Hello Everyone, I hope you are all having a wonderful summer and beating the heat as best you can. Below, you will find the final video from the "Diversity in Disability" symposium we held at the University at Buffalo. Please take a look at this fully accessible video and provide any feedback you might have. I have also attached a video regarding Universal Design Yoga, which we thought many of you may be interested in. Diversity in Disability Symposium: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aNePAflvPk Universal Design Yoga: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6tPx4TSh-U Please forward this information to anyone you think that would find it useful. David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu From gloria.graves at gmail.com Wed Aug 15 19:04:11 2012 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 14:04:11 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Textbooks Message-ID: <6EF53CDBC5AD4C8B84774C4599691175@Gloria> Hi all, Does anyone have a suggestion for a cite to download books for school in a audio format? I already use bookshare, bard and learning ali. Thanks for your help! Gloria From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Wed Aug 15 19:09:32 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 15:09:32 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Textbooks In-Reply-To: <6EF53CDBC5AD4C8B84774C4599691175@Gloria> References: <6EF53CDBC5AD4C8B84774C4599691175@Gloria> Message-ID: Hi, No. I believe those are the only ones. If you need textbooks, those sites are the best. Learning ally is the best source for audio texts. However, if you need general novels for english, history, or some other class, you can try general sites. I obtained a book for my religion class via a general site. Try www.audible.com or Amazon for comercial audio books. I think Random House still records books, but I don't think you can download books there. HTH, Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Gloria G Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 3:04 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Textbooks Hi all, Does anyone have a suggestion for a cite to download books for school in a audio format? I already use bookshare, bard and learning ali. Thanks for your help! Gloria _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From gloria.graves at gmail.com Wed Aug 15 19:15:08 2012 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 14:15:08 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Textbooks References: <6EF53CDBC5AD4C8B84774C4599691175@Gloria> Message-ID: <811A64077F3845DDBDBCE101963917E0@Gloria> thanks I will try this cite because I have a couple of novels for a few classes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Textbooks > Hi, > No. I believe those are the only ones. If you need textbooks, those sites > are the best. Learning ally is the best source for audio texts. However, > if you need general novels for english, history, or some other class, you > can try general sites. > I obtained a book for my religion class via a general site. Try > www.audible.com or Amazon for comercial audio books. > I think Random House still records books, but I don't think you can > download books there. > > HTH, > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gloria G > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 3:04 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Textbooks > > Hi all, > Does anyone have a suggestion for a cite to download books for school in a > audio format? I already use bookshare, bard and learning ali. Thanks for > your help! > Gloria > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From gloria.graves at gmail.com Wed Aug 15 19:23:04 2012 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 14:23:04 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Textbooks References: <6EF53CDBC5AD4C8B84774C4599691175@Gloria> Message-ID: <2140A61AEFAA4B9CBE1379926148B735@Gloria> Hi, The audible cite, is it secure when it comes to paying for the books? I get nervous when paying for things on line with all of the frod that goes on. Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Textbooks > Hi, > No. I believe those are the only ones. If you need textbooks, those sites > are the best. Learning ally is the best source for audio texts. However, > if you need general novels for english, history, or some other class, you > can try general sites. > I obtained a book for my religion class via a general site. Try > www.audible.com or Amazon for comercial audio books. > I think Random House still records books, but I don't think you can > download books there. > > HTH, > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gloria G > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 3:04 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Textbooks > > Hi all, > Does anyone have a suggestion for a cite to download books for school in a > audio format? I already use bookshare, bard and learning ali. Thanks for > your help! > Gloria > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Wed Aug 15 19:31:02 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 15:31:02 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Textbooks In-Reply-To: <2140A61AEFAA4B9CBE1379926148B735@Gloria> References: <6EF53CDBC5AD4C8B84774C4599691175@Gloria> <2140A61AEFAA4B9CBE1379926148B735@Gloria> Message-ID: <4EBA6A4BB4DE4906A1372012EEA976A1@OwnerPC> I would think so but that issue should be mentioned in their privacy policy -----Original Message----- From: Gloria G Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 3:23 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Textbooks Hi, The audible cite, is it secure when it comes to paying for the books? I get nervous when paying for things on line with all of the frod that goes on. Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Textbooks > Hi, > No. I believe those are the only ones. If you need textbooks, those sites > are the best. Learning ally is the best source for audio texts. However, > if you need general novels for english, history, or some other class, you > can try general sites. > I obtained a book for my religion class via a general site. Try > www.audible.com or Amazon for comercial audio books. > I think Random House still records books, but I don't think you can > download books there. > > HTH, > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gloria G > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 3:04 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Textbooks > > Hi all, > Does anyone have a suggestion for a cite to download books for school in a > audio format? I already use bookshare, bard and learning ali. Thanks for > your help! > Gloria > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From troubleclark at gmail.com Wed Aug 15 20:58:57 2012 From: troubleclark at gmail.com (Nathan Clark) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 16:58:57 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Textbooks In-Reply-To: <4EBA6A4BB4DE4906A1372012EEA976A1@OwnerPC> References: <6EF53CDBC5AD4C8B84774C4599691175@Gloria> <2140A61AEFAA4B9CBE1379926148B735@Gloria> <4EBA6A4BB4DE4906A1372012EEA976A1@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Dear Gloria, The sites that you listed in your e-mail are probably the best ones to search for your books. I can find most of my books on bookshare or rfb&d. Sincerely, Nathan On 8/15/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > I would think so but that issue should be mentioned in their privacy policy > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gloria G > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 3:23 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Textbooks > > Hi, > The audible cite, is it secure when it comes to paying for the books? I get > nervous when paying for things on line with all of the frod that goes on. > Thanks > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 2:09 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Textbooks > > >> Hi, >> No. I believe those are the only ones. If you need textbooks, those sites >> >> are the best. Learning ally is the best source for audio texts. However, >> if you need general novels for english, history, or some other class, you >> >> can try general sites. >> I obtained a book for my religion class via a general site. Try >> www.audible.com or Amazon for comercial audio books. >> I think Random House still records books, but I don't think you can >> download books there. >> >> HTH, >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Gloria G >> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 3:04 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] Textbooks >> >> Hi all, >> Does anyone have a suggestion for a cite to download books for school in a >> >> audio format? I already use bookshare, bard and learning ali. Thanks for >> your help! >> Gloria >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark%40gmail.com > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Wed Aug 15 21:29:53 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 17:29:53 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Textbooks In-Reply-To: References: <6EF53CDBC5AD4C8B84774C4599691175@Gloria> Message-ID: <000901cd7b2d$1d569250$5803b6f0$@gmail.com> Hi Gloria, You can also use Project Gutenberg for textbooks. Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 3:10 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Textbooks Hi, No. I believe those are the only ones. If you need textbooks, those sites are the best. Learning ally is the best source for audio texts. However, if you need general novels for english, history, or some other class, you can try general sites. I obtained a book for my religion class via a general site. Try www.audible.com or Amazon for comercial audio books. I think Random House still records books, but I don't think you can download books there. HTH, Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Gloria G Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 3:04 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Textbooks Hi all, Does anyone have a suggestion for a cite to download books for school in a audio format? I already use bookshare, bard and learning ali. Thanks for your help! Gloria _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From anjelinac26 at gmail.com Thu Aug 16 01:04:26 2012 From: anjelinac26 at gmail.com (Anjelina) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 21:04:26 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Textbooks In-Reply-To: <2140A61AEFAA4B9CBE1379926148B735@Gloria> References: <6EF53CDBC5AD4C8B84774C4599691175@Gloria> <2140A61AEFAA4B9CBE1379926148B735@Gloria> Message-ID: Hi Gloria and Ashley, Gloria, Audible and Amazon are reputable secure sites for purchases. Ashley, these are sites i didn't consider. Thanks for the remimders.Anjelina Sent from my iPhone On Aug 15, 2012, at 3:23 PM, "Gloria G" wrote: > Hi, > The audible cite, is it secure when it comes to paying for the books? I get nervous when paying for things on line with all of the frod that goes on. Thanks > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 2:09 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Textbooks > > >> Hi, >> No. I believe those are the only ones. If you need textbooks, those sites are the best. Learning ally is the best source for audio texts. However, if you need general novels for english, history, or some other class, you can try general sites. >> I obtained a book for my religion class via a general site. Try www.audible.com or Amazon for comercial audio books. >> I think Random House still records books, but I don't think you can download books there. >> >> HTH, >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Gloria G >> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 3:04 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] Textbooks >> >> Hi all, >> Does anyone have a suggestion for a cite to download books for school in a audio format? I already use bookshare, bard and learning ali. Thanks for your help! >> Gloria >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Aug 16 01:43:19 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 21:43:19 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Textbooks In-Reply-To: References: <6EF53CDBC5AD4C8B84774C4599691175@Gloria><2140A61AEFAA4B9CBE1379926148B735@Gloria> Message-ID: Anjelina, your welcome. The book from audible was great quality and I thought pretty reasonabily priced for an unabridged book. I do not think you can book mark in those books, but you can stop it and resume playing at the same point later on. I know that humanware and audible have teamed up to make the stream read their books and maybe via a vr stream audible books can be marked, not sure. That would be one disadvantage with commercial audio books; they are not marked up in sections like we're used to in a daisy book. But I think they do have some markings; like each chapter is a separate file or something. If you try the audible route and do have a victor reader product, you might ask humanware just what flexibility you have with the book. I know many blind people do use audible books paired with a vr stream or vr stratus, so it works; just not sure to what extend you will get navigation. Let me know how you like it if you use audible; only used them once or twice so I forget what it was like. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Anjelina Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 9:04 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Textbooks Hi Gloria and Ashley, Gloria, Audible and Amazon are reputable secure sites for purchases. Ashley, these are sites i didn't consider. Thanks for the remimders.Anjelina Sent from my iPhone On Aug 15, 2012, at 3:23 PM, "Gloria G" wrote: > Hi, > The audible cite, is it secure when it comes to paying for the books? I > get nervous when paying for things on line with all of the frod that goes > on. Thanks > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" > > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 2:09 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Textbooks > > >> Hi, >> No. I believe those are the only ones. If you need textbooks, those sites >> are the best. Learning ally is the best source for audio texts. However, >> if you need general novels for english, history, or some other class, you >> can try general sites. >> I obtained a book for my religion class via a general site. Try >> www.audible.com or Amazon for comercial audio books. >> I think Random House still records books, but I don't think you can >> download books there. >> >> HTH, >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Gloria G >> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 3:04 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] Textbooks >> >> Hi all, >> Does anyone have a suggestion for a cite to download books for school in >> a audio format? I already use bookshare, bard and learning ali. Thanks >> for your help! >> Gloria >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Aug 16 02:19:25 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 22:19:25 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Website for College Students with Disabilities In-Reply-To: <004301cd7499$d3d54480$7b7fcd80$@lbph.lib.md.us> References: <004301cd7499$d3d54480$7b7fcd80$@lbph.lib.md.us> Message-ID: <003f01cd7b55$8fa36860$aeea3920$@gmail.com> -----Original Message----- From: Mollyne Honor [mailto:mrhonor at LBPH.LIB.MD.US] Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 8:40 AM To: LBPH_INFO-L at LISTSRV.MSDE.STATE.MD.US Subject: Website for College Students with Disabilities This is a link to the We Connect Now website. http://weconnectnow.wordpress.com/ The website was created by a college student to serve college students with disabilities. The website was developed in an effort to connect and integrate college students with disabilities as a virtual community with a voice on important issues. The We Connect Now website has been up and serving college students with disabilities since April of 2008. The website has been used as a resource by institutions of higher learning and has been linked to by colleges and universities and groups serving people with disabilities in all 50 states of the United States of America and at least 10 other nations. From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Thu Aug 16 15:32:45 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 11:32:45 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants In-Reply-To: References: <9EEEB32F499840C5BD5DAE001B2C42C3@OwnerPC> <7.0.1.0.2.20120812155653.01e15378@comcast.net> <170E9219C2164E71A3675D408B1467EC@OwnerPC> <7.0.1.0.2.20120812162219.01dcf628@comcast.net> <89714D9EB0C4417892E9707D9C3D1420@OwnerPC> <7.0.1.0.2.20120812170119.01c728f0@comcast.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20120812173055.01c912b8@comcast.net> Message-ID: <0DCBF592-1569-4E10-8FA7-780FB64FAD82@gmail.com> I take someone with me, blind or sited. Using Sent from my iPad On Aug 12, 2012, at 21:16, Kirt Manwaring wrote: > Ashley, > I think most of us have experienced this frustration, to a certain > degree. We all have our own ways of dealing with it; I'll tell you > what I try and do because, mostly, it works for me. I'm not trying to > shove "rebellious independence" down your throat, I'm not saying what > works for me will necessarily work for you, but I am saying that I've > learned I don't need to have someone there every step of the way > guiding me. > First, I like to hold my tray in one hand and my cane in the other. > This takes practice, I'm still not a pro at it, but after learning and > trying the technique for a while I've figured out how to hold a tray, > a drink, and a cane all fairly comfortably. LIke I said, it takes > some getting used to and it doesn't come over night; it took months at > a training center for me to become halfway competent doing it, but it > works for me. This does, however, mean I'm not taking somebody's arm > if I'm doing it that way. Of course I have someone help me get my > dang drink when I order (I suppose I could just randomly test all the > drinks until I stumbled upon the right one, but I'm having a hard time > fathoming why the hell anybody would want to do that), but I don't > really have to go that far out of the way. In fact, most of the time, > the person behind the counter offers to just take my drink and fill it > for me; I usually politely refuse and ask the kindhearted worker to > show me what button I have to push to get the drink I want. In the > rare event the cashier just hands me my cup without offering to help > (very rare indeed), I listen to where I hear ice clinking in to cups > and walk over that way. Nine times out of ten, (maybe even nineteen > out of twenty) someone is there and I can just ask that person to help > me know what drink is what. > As for finding a table, I often just walk around until I bump in to > one with my cane. I can usually hear where people are sitting and > eating, so I'm not just wandering aimlessly. If I can't find one (or > if someone finds me first), I'll ask to be pointed towards an empty > table and I'll walk in the direction I'm pointed until I find a place > to sit. If someone decides to grab me and take me to an open seat, > I'll either make a fool of myself telling the person I'm really ok and > I can find it or, sometimes, I just ask them to walk a couple steps in > front of me and guide me that way. I usually don't like someone > taking my arm unless that person is a close friend who I know I can > trust; there are, however, a few acceptions to this rule. (I just > showed up to the airport with minutes to spare before my flight home; > I had no problem taking the arm of a stranger because I didn't know > the area and I didn't have the time to figure it out.) > As far as asking for help goes, I do it all the time! Usually, if > I'm eating a meal in a food court by myself and I'm done, I'll try and > find somebody if I couldn't hear people throwing things away. (most > of the time I can't; I'm not that skilled yet! :)) Anyways, that > person could either be someone I hear talking at a table or someone > behind the counter at a restaurant. I'll say something like "would > you mind pointing me to the nearest garbage?" If they offer to take > my trash for me, I usually thank them and let them take it. If they > do what I asked and point me, then off I go, usually with people > giving me directions as I go if I can't find the dang thing. (which > is happening less and less, thanks to some fantastic training.) > But, most importantly, don't stress about it! If you feel really > awkward, chances are it'll show and the people around you will feel > even more awkward in kind. If, however, you are confident and > enjoying yourself, however you choose to do it, people will generally > be more responsive and helpful. > Oh, one last thing that I learned in training. (I feel like an > idiot for not thinking of this before) If you aren't sure where > someone is directing you, point to where you think it is. That way > people will be able to confirm that you are right or just move your > hand so you're pointing in the right way. That also works, sometimes, > when people seem to not feel comfortable giving you directions. > Simply point somewhere (even somewhere random if you have no clue) and > ask, with a smile, "you mean that way?" Then, all of a sudden, people > know how to explain it to you. > I hope I'm not coming off as dedactic or self-rightious. I don't > intend to. I guess alll I'm trying to say is I've found a way that > works for me, find one that works for you (whatever it is)and enjoy > yourself! That is, after all, the point. Right? > Best, > Kirt > > On 8/12/12, David Dodge wrote: >> It makes a great deal of sense. However, I would argue that immediate help >> is rarely as valuable or enduring as that help which takes time. >> >> David >> ---------------------------------- >> David Dodge >> Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson >> English Major >> University at Buffalo >> 306 Clemens Hall >> Buffalo, NY 14260 >> daviddod at buffalo.edu >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 8:37 PM, Carly Mihalakis >> wrote: >> >>> Hi, David, >>> >>> It is true, we do help when we are able, like by widening people's >>> threshholds, and convictions, and expanding what is believed to be >>> possible, yet, the ways in which we are able to help, often are not as >>> immediate as the kind of momentary, on-the-spot,help from which we are >>> likely to benefit. Does that happened to make any kind of sense?wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks, Carly. But, I would even say our chances to help others are more >>>> than just few. Everyone has talents and knowledge and we are responsible >>>> for using them to help ourselves and others just like anyone else. >>>> >>>> David >>>> ------------------------------**---- >>>> David Dodge >>>> Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson >>>> English Major >>>> University at Buffalo >>>> 306 Clemens Hall >>>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 8:10 PM, Carly Mihalakis >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Glad to see David's approach to giving, and receiving, assistance >>>>> seems >>>> a >>>>> bit healthier. Because, it is true, Ashley, in cases in which we are >>>> able >>>>> to help which granted, are few, we do it gladly. When sighted people >>>>> see >>>>> the blind person struggling o do what he routinely takes for granted, >>>>> instinctively, a first thing they wanna do is lend a hand. It's part >>>>> of >>>>> being a member of society. >>>>> Fact is, you are lacking same access to the senses as everyone else, >>>>> that's a fact. So, one would argue, there's nothing whatsoever wrong >>>> with >>>>> accepting help, once in a while. Remember, ol' Sighty cares not about >>>> your >>>>> motives for proving yourself by being completely, solo in this here >>>> world. >>>>> Dodge wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Try to feel grateful and not bad about asking people for help when >>>>>> they >>>>>> give it to you. After all, people ask you for help in different >>>> situations >>>>>> and you kindly give it to them too right? >>>>>> >>>>>> David >>>>>> ------------------------------****---- >>>>>> David Dodge >>>>>> Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson >>>>>> English Major >>>>>> University at Buffalo >>>>>> 306 Clemens Hall >>>>>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>>>>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Ashley Bramlett >>>>>> ****wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> true, I find other customers help me. I kind of feel bad about >>>>>>> asking >>>>>>> though and like it when they ask me first. >>>>>>> I feel by asking, I'm kind of obligating them to help before going >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> their table or carrying their food away. >>>>>>> Oh, well, I need the help. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Carly Mihalakis >>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 7:23 PM >>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; National >>>>>>> Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, Ashley, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If the personel behind the counter are >>>>>>> too busy to help, other customers are often also >>>>>>> more than happy to grab you a napkin or throw >>>>>>> away your garbage./12/2012, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi carley, In food courts, that is not always my experience. >>>>>>>> Perhaps >>>>>> its >>>>>>>> where I live. Like you, I may plan ahead about the menu thing. For >>>> the >>>>>>>> drinks thing, they do help me if I ask for it, but they seem busy >>>> and >>>>>> I may >>>>>>>> have to wait a few minutes. The staff are busy taking orders, >>>> filling >>>>>> them, >>>>>>>> and taking money from customers. Often, they just seem too busy to >>>> help >>>>>>>> out; so, a friendly customer in line offers to assist me and I >>>>>>>> take >>>> it. >>>>>>>> They read the drink options and I pick one I want. Some places >>>>>>>> have >>>>>> bottle >>>>>>>> drinks and I find these easier. In this case, they can just hand >>>>>>>> me >>>> the >>>>>>>> bottle as they hand me the food too. I'm glad you have found the >>>> staff >>>>>>>> helpful because they should be as an accomodation. Ashley >>>> -----Original >>>>>>>> Message----- From: Carly Mihalakis Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 >>>> 7:02 >>>>>> PM >>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: >>>>>>>> Re: >>>>>>>> [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants Hi, Ashley, If I know >>>>>>>> I >>>>>> will >>>>>>>> be visiting a particular restaurant who has their menu Online, I >>>>>> definitely >>>>>>>> read it, selecting what sounds good ahead of time. If such a menu >>>>>>>> is >>>>>> not >>>>>>>> available I just ask the folks behind the counter, or on the floor >>>> to >>>>>> read >>>>>>>> it. As for the food court, the host personnel who seat me, are >>>> usually >>>>>> more >>>>>>>> than happy to help out by carrying, even getting the drink. After >>>> all, >>>>>>>> that's what there there for right? CarHi all, Food courts are >>>> crowded >>>>>> noisy >>>>>>>> places. They hand you the food on a tray. But often the customer >>>>>>>> has >>>>>> to get >>>>>>>> their own drink from a row of drink spickits. I am talking about >>>>>>>> the >>>>>> row of >>>>>>>> them where the cups are at the end and the drinks are gotten by >>>>>> pressing >>>>>>>> something to release the liquid. So any tips on them? How do you >>>> deal >>>>>> with >>>>>>>> these drink areas? Does someone help you? I suppose you could >>>> memorize >>>>>> it >>>>>>>> if you went there before. How do you find an empty table since >>>>>>>> your >>>>>> hands >>>>>>>> are full with the tray, unless you ask someone to carry it for >>>>>>>> you. >>>>>> Then, >>>>>>>> how do you find the trashcan? Do you explore where the trashcans >>>>>>>> are >>>>>> before >>>>>>>> you get your food? Do you ask someone to read the menu to you >>>>>>>> while >>>> in >>>>>>>> line, or do it beforehand? Some venues have their menu online >>>>>>>> which >>>> I >>>>>> use >>>>>>>> if possible; other times they don’t. Next, how do you deal with >>>>>>>> restestaurants requiring you to order at the counter and pick it >>>>>>>> up >>>> at >>>>>> the >>>>>>>> counter? A fast food place usually gives you the food right there >>>>>>>> at >>>>>> the >>>>>>>> counter. You do not sit and wait. So that isn’t an issue. If I >>>>>> have to >>>>>>>> say, waiwait for fries, I do so right at the counter, as anyone >>>>>>>> else >>>>>> would. >>>>>>>> Restaurants where you do this include: Johnny Rockets in some >>>> locations >>>>>>>> deli places such as Philadelphia mikes Fudruckers Corner Bakery >>>>>>>> How >>>> do >>>>>> you >>>>>>>> find the counter and locate your seat? For me, I’m not good at >>>>>>>> revreversing routes, and all tables look the same! I’m am >>>>>>>> asking >>>>>> since I >>>>>>>> may order at such a restaurant with a blind friend and could use >>>> some >>>>>> tips >>>>>>>> on this. Thanks. 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unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.coma From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Thu Aug 16 15:38:56 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 11:38:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants In-Reply-To: References: <9EEEB32F499840C5BD5DAE001B2C42C3@OwnerPC> <7.0.1.0.2.20120812155653.01e15378@comcast.net> <170E9219C2164E71A3675D408B1467EC@OwnerPC> <7.0.1.0.2.20120812162219.01dcf628@comcast.net> <89714D9EB0C4417892E9707D9C3D1420@OwnerPC> <7.0.1.0.2.20120812170119.01c728f0@comcast.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20120812173055.01c912b8@comcast.net> Message-ID: <9D0140F8-CE42-4BF6-83F3-DAC909FAE396@gmail.com> Try doing a cane, tray,, and communication Sent from my iPad On Aug 12, 2012, at 21:16, Kirt Manwaring wrote: > Ashley, > I think most of us have experienced this frustration, to a certain > degree. We all have our own ways of dealing with it; I'll tell you > what I try and do because, mostly, it works for me. I'm not trying to > shove "rebellious independence" down your throat, I'm not saying what > works for me will necessarily work for you, but I am saying that I've > learned I don't need to have someone there every step of the way > guiding me. > First, I like to hold my tray in one hand and my cane in the other. > This takes practice, I'm still not a pro at it, but after learning and > trying the technique for a while I've figured out how to hold a tray, > a drink, and a cane all fairly comfortably. LIke I said, it takes > some getting used to and it doesn't come over night; it took months at > a training center for me to become halfway competent doing it, but it > works for me. This does, however, mean I'm not taking somebody's arm > if I'm doing it that way. Of course I have someone help me get my > dang drink when I order (I suppose I could just randomly test all the > drinks until I stumbled upon the right one, but I'm having a hard time > fathoming why the hell anybody would want to do that), but I don't > really have to go that far out of the way. In fact, most of the time, > the person behind the counter offers to just take my drink and fill it > for me; I usually politely refuse and ask the kindhearted worker to > show me what button I have to push to get the drink I want. In the > rare event the cashier just hands me my cup without offering to help > (very rare indeed), I listen to where I hear ice clinking in to cups > and walk over that way. Nine times out of ten, (maybe even nineteen > out of twenty) someone is there and I can just ask that person to help > me know what drink is what. > As for finding a table, I often just walk around until I bump in to > one with my cane. I can usually hear where people are sitting and > eating, so I'm not just wandering aimlessly. If I can't find one (or > if someone finds me first), I'll ask to be pointed towards an empty > table and I'll walk in the direction I'm pointed until I find a place > to sit. If someone decides to grab me and take me to an open seat, > I'll either make a fool of myself telling the person I'm really ok and > I can find it or, sometimes, I just ask them to walk a couple steps in > front of me and guide me that way. I usually don't like someone > taking my arm unless that person is a close friend who I know I can > trust; there are, however, a few acceptions to this rule. (I just > showed up to the airport with minutes to spare before my flight home; > I had no problem taking the arm of a stranger because I didn't know > the area and I didn't have the time to figure it out.) > As far as asking for help goes, I do it all the time! Usually, if > I'm eating a meal in a food court by myself and I'm done, I'll try and > find somebody if I couldn't hear people throwing things away. (most > of the time I can't; I'm not that skilled yet! :)) Anyways, that > person could either be someone I hear talking at a table or someone > behind the counter at a restaurant. I'll say something like "would > you mind pointing me to the nearest garbage?" If they offer to take > my trash for me, I usually thank them and let them take it. If they > do what I asked and point me, then off I go, usually with people > giving me directions as I go if I can't find the dang thing. (which > is happening less and less, thanks to some fantastic training.) > But, most importantly, don't stress about it! If you feel really > awkward, chances are it'll show and the people around you will feel > even more awkward in kind. If, however, you are confident and > enjoying yourself, however you choose to do it, people will generally > be more responsive and helpful. > Oh, one last thing that I learned in training. (I feel like an > idiot for not thinking of this before) If you aren't sure where > someone is directing you, point to where you think it is. That way > people will be able to confirm that you are right or just move your > hand so you're pointing in the right way. That also works, sometimes, > when people seem to not feel comfortable giving you directions. > Simply point somewhere (even somewhere random if you have no clue) and > ask, with a smile, "you mean that way?" Then, all of a sudden, people > know how to explain it to you. > I hope I'm not coming off as dedactic or self-rightious. I don't > intend to. I guess alll I'm trying to say is I've found a way that > works for me, find one that works for you (whatever it is)and enjoy > yourself! That is, after all, the point. Right? > Best, > Kirt > > On 8/12/12, David Dodge wrote: >> It makes a great deal of sense. However, I would argue that immediate help >> is rarely as valuable or enduring as that help which takes time. >> >> David >> ---------------------------------- >> David Dodge >> Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson >> English Major >> University at Buffalo >> 306 Clemens Hall >> Buffalo, NY 14260 >> daviddod at buffalo.edu >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 8:37 PM, Carly Mihalakis >> wrote: >> >>> Hi, David, >>> >>> It is true, we do help when we are able, like by widening people's >>> threshholds, and convictions, and expanding what is believed to be >>> possible, yet, the ways in which we are able to help, often are not as >>> immediate as the kind of momentary, on-the-spot,help from which we are >>> likely to benefit. Does that happened to make any kind of sense?wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks, Carly. But, I would even say our chances to help others are more >>>> than just few. Everyone has talents and knowledge and we are responsible >>>> for using them to help ourselves and others just like anyone else. >>>> >>>> David >>>> ------------------------------**---- >>>> David Dodge >>>> Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson >>>> English Major >>>> University at Buffalo >>>> 306 Clemens Hall >>>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 8:10 PM, Carly Mihalakis >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Glad to see David's approach to giving, and receiving, assistance >>>>> seems >>>> a >>>>> bit healthier. Because, it is true, Ashley, in cases in which we are >>>> able >>>>> to help which granted, are few, we do it gladly. When sighted people >>>>> see >>>>> the blind person struggling o do what he routinely takes for granted, >>>>> instinctively, a first thing they wanna do is lend a hand. It's part >>>>> of >>>>> being a member of society. >>>>> Fact is, you are lacking same access to the senses as everyone else, >>>>> that's a fact. So, one would argue, there's nothing whatsoever wrong >>>> with >>>>> accepting help, once in a while. Remember, ol' Sighty cares not about >>>> your >>>>> motives for proving yourself by being completely, solo in this here >>>> world. >>>>> Dodge wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Try to feel grateful and not bad about asking people for help when >>>>>> they >>>>>> give it to you. After all, people ask you for help in different >>>> situations >>>>>> and you kindly give it to them too right? >>>>>> >>>>>> David >>>>>> ------------------------------****---- >>>>>> David Dodge >>>>>> Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson >>>>>> English Major >>>>>> University at Buffalo >>>>>> 306 Clemens Hall >>>>>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>>>>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Ashley Bramlett >>>>>> ****wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> true, I find other customers help me. I kind of feel bad about >>>>>>> asking >>>>>>> though and like it when they ask me first. >>>>>>> I feel by asking, I'm kind of obligating them to help before going >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> their table or carrying their food away. >>>>>>> Oh, well, I need the help. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Carly Mihalakis >>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 7:23 PM >>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; National >>>>>>> Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, Ashley, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If the personel behind the counter are >>>>>>> too busy to help, other customers are often also >>>>>>> more than happy to grab you a napkin or throw >>>>>>> away your garbage./12/2012, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi carley, In food courts, that is not always my experience. >>>>>>>> Perhaps >>>>>> its >>>>>>>> where I live. Like you, I may plan ahead about the menu thing. For >>>> the >>>>>>>> drinks thing, they do help me if I ask for it, but they seem busy >>>> and >>>>>> I may >>>>>>>> have to wait a few minutes. The staff are busy taking orders, >>>> filling >>>>>> them, >>>>>>>> and taking money from customers. Often, they just seem too busy to >>>> help >>>>>>>> out; so, a friendly customer in line offers to assist me and I >>>>>>>> take >>>> it. >>>>>>>> They read the drink options and I pick one I want. Some places >>>>>>>> have >>>>>> bottle >>>>>>>> drinks and I find these easier. In this case, they can just hand >>>>>>>> me >>>> the >>>>>>>> bottle as they hand me the food too. I'm glad you have found the >>>> staff >>>>>>>> helpful because they should be as an accomodation. Ashley >>>> -----Original >>>>>>>> Message----- From: Carly Mihalakis Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 >>>> 7:02 >>>>>> PM >>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: >>>>>>>> Re: >>>>>>>> [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants Hi, Ashley, If I know >>>>>>>> I >>>>>> will >>>>>>>> be visiting a particular restaurant who has their menu Online, I >>>>>> definitely >>>>>>>> read it, selecting what sounds good ahead of time. If such a menu >>>>>>>> is >>>>>> not >>>>>>>> available I just ask the folks behind the counter, or on the floor >>>> to >>>>>> read >>>>>>>> it. As for the food court, the host personnel who seat me, are >>>> usually >>>>>> more >>>>>>>> than happy to help out by carrying, even getting the drink. After >>>> all, >>>>>>>> that's what there there for right? CarHi all, Food courts are >>>> crowded >>>>>> noisy >>>>>>>> places. They hand you the food on a tray. But often the customer >>>>>>>> has >>>>>> to get >>>>>>>> their own drink from a row of drink spickits. I am talking about >>>>>>>> the >>>>>> row of >>>>>>>> them where the cups are at the end and the drinks are gotten by >>>>>> pressing >>>>>>>> something to release the liquid. So any tips on them? How do you >>>> deal >>>>>> with >>>>>>>> these drink areas? Does someone help you? I suppose you could >>>> memorize >>>>>> it >>>>>>>> if you went there before. How do you find an empty table since >>>>>>>> your >>>>>> hands >>>>>>>> are full with the tray, unless you ask someone to carry it for >>>>>>>> you. >>>>>> Then, >>>>>>>> how do you find the trashcan? Do you explore where the trashcans >>>>>>>> are >>>>>> before >>>>>>>> you get your food? Do you ask someone to read the menu to you >>>>>>>> while >>>> in >>>>>>>> line, or do it beforehand? Some venues have their menu online >>>>>>>> which >>>> I >>>>>> use >>>>>>>> if possible; other times they don’t. Next, how do you deal with >>>>>>>> restestaurants requiring you to order at the counter and pick it >>>>>>>> up >>>> at >>>>>> the >>>>>>>> counter? A fast food place usually gives you the food right there >>>>>>>> at >>>>>> the >>>>>>>> counter. You do not sit and wait. So that isn’t an issue. If I >>>>>> have to >>>>>>>> say, waiwait for fries, I do so right at the counter, as anyone >>>>>>>> else >>>>>> would. >>>>>>>> Restaurants where you do this include: Johnny Rockets in some >>>> locations >>>>>>>> deli places such as Philadelphia mikes Fudruckers Corner Bakery >>>>>>>> How >>>> do >>>>>> you >>>>>>>> find the counter and locate your seat? For me, I’m not good at >>>>>>>> revreversing routes, and all tables look the same! I’m am >>>>>>>> asking >>>>>> since I >>>>>>>> may order at such a restaurant with a blind friend and could use >>>> some >>>>>> tips >>>>>>>> on this. Thanks. 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unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Thu Aug 16 14:51:30 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 14:51:30 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail Message-ID: Please help me! My student E-mail address has changed, along with our server. They've traded the GMail server for Microsoft Web Exchange, powered by Outlook! I hate Outlook, because it's difficult to send an E-mail to multiple recipiants. Does anyone know why it won't cooperate with me, when I try to E-mail multiple recipiants? Thanks, Joshua From gloria.graves at gmail.com Thu Aug 16 15:22:13 2012 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 10:22:13 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail References: Message-ID: Hi Joshua, I use outlook and really like it. If you tab down to the CC box and put the email addresses of the people you are trying to send to and put a simi colon behind each email address each person should receive the email. I have done this and have had no problem. Everyone I wanted the email to go to has gotten them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" To: Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 9:51 AM Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail > Please help me! > My student E-mail address has changed, along with our server. > They've traded the GMail server for Microsoft Web Exchange, powered by > Outlook! > I hate Outlook, because it's difficult to send an E-mail to multiple > recipiants. > Does anyone know why it won't cooperate with me, when I try to E-mail > multiple recipiants? > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From zerone1683 at gmail.com Thu Aug 16 15:31:06 2012 From: zerone1683 at gmail.com (Chun Chao) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 08:31:06 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000301cd7bc4$2828a050$7879e0f0$@com> Joshua: What version of Outlook are you using? (2003, 2007, 2010) Also, have you configured Outlook so that it will synchronize with Gmail when you check your emails? This will make adding recipients much easier. Did you also add your contacts to the Address Book within Outlook? You can add multiple recipients to both the "To" and "CC" fields, just remember to have a semicolon in between. C.C. Alan -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 7:51 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail Please help me! My student E-mail address has changed, along with our server. They've traded the GMail server for Microsoft Web Exchange, powered by Outlook! I hate Outlook, because it's difficult to send an E-mail to multiple recipiants. Does anyone know why it won't cooperate with me, when I try to E-mail multiple recipiants? Thanks, Joshua _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zerone1683%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Aug 16 16:04:57 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 12:04:57 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail In-Reply-To: <000301cd7bc4$2828a050$7879e0f0$@com> References: <000301cd7bc4$2828a050$7879e0f0$@com> Message-ID: <003c01cd7bc8$e3bad3c0$ab307b40$@gmail.com> Hi Joshua, If you need any help learning how to use Outlook, please let me know. I use Outlook for my email and love it. Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chun Chao Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:31 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail Joshua: What version of Outlook are you using? (2003, 2007, 2010) Also, have you configured Outlook so that it will synchronize with Gmail when you check your emails? This will make adding recipients much easier. Did you also add your contacts to the Address Book within Outlook? You can add multiple recipients to both the "To" and "CC" fields, just remember to have a semicolon in between. C.C. Alan -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 7:51 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail Please help me! My student E-mail address has changed, along with our server. They've traded the GMail server for Microsoft Web Exchange, powered by Outlook! I hate Outlook, because it's difficult to send an E-mail to multiple recipiants. Does anyone know why it won't cooperate with me, when I try to E-mail multiple recipiants? Thanks, Joshua _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zerone1683%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From joshkart12 at gmail.com Thu Aug 16 16:14:01 2012 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (josh gregory) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 12:14:01 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Josh, you may have to do one person at a time. I'm here at the college I'll be going to now, and the ms web interface is quite accessible. But, I'm not quite sure how to help with email thing. On 8/16/12, Joshua Lester wrote: > Please help me! > My student E-mail address has changed, along with our server. > They've traded the GMail server for Microsoft Web Exchange, powered by > Outlook! > I hate Outlook, because it's difficult to send an E-mail to multiple > recipiants. > Does anyone know why it won't cooperate with me, when I try to E-mail > multiple recipiants? > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com > -- Ways to Connect with me: facebook.com/evercuriousmasteryodo twitter.com/joshg93 Skype: joshgregory93 FaceTime, iMessage and iChat: joshkart12 at gmail.com From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Thu Aug 16 16:26:28 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 16:26:28 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail In-Reply-To: <003c01cd7bc8$e3bad3c0$ab307b40$@gmail.com> References: <000301cd7bc4$2828a050$7879e0f0$@com>, <003c01cd7bc8$e3bad3c0$ab307b40$@gmail.com> Message-ID: It's the latest version. Thanks, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Chris Nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:04 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail Hi Joshua, If you need any help learning how to use Outlook, please let me know. I use Outlook for my email and love it. Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chun Chao Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:31 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail Joshua: What version of Outlook are you using? (2003, 2007, 2010) Also, have you configured Outlook so that it will synchronize with Gmail when you check your emails? This will make adding recipients much easier. Did you also add your contacts to the Address Book within Outlook? You can add multiple recipients to both the "To" and "CC" fields, just remember to have a semicolon in between. C.C. Alan -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 7:51 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail Please help me! My student E-mail address has changed, along with our server. They've traded the GMail server for Microsoft Web Exchange, powered by Outlook! I hate Outlook, because it's difficult to send an E-mail to multiple recipiants. Does anyone know why it won't cooperate with me, when I try to E-mail multiple recipiants? Thanks, Joshua _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zerone1683%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Aug 16 16:46:43 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 12:46:43 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail In-Reply-To: References: <000301cd7bc4$2828a050$7879e0f0$@com>, <003c01cd7bc8$e3bad3c0$ab307b40$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000301cd7bce$b9aa0820$2cfe1860$@gmail.com> Hi Joshua, Good. That's what I use. Are you using the Microsoft Outlook program or a Web mail interface? Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 12:26 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail It's the latest version. Thanks, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Chris Nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:04 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail Hi Joshua, If you need any help learning how to use Outlook, please let me know. I use Outlook for my email and love it. Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chun Chao Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:31 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail Joshua: What version of Outlook are you using? (2003, 2007, 2010) Also, have you configured Outlook so that it will synchronize with Gmail when you check your emails? This will make adding recipients much easier. Did you also add your contacts to the Address Book within Outlook? You can add multiple recipients to both the "To" and "CC" fields, just remember to have a semicolon in between. C.C. Alan -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 7:51 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail Please help me! My student E-mail address has changed, along with our server. They've traded the GMail server for Microsoft Web Exchange, powered by Outlook! I hate Outlook, because it's difficult to send an E-mail to multiple recipiants. Does anyone know why it won't cooperate with me, when I try to E-mail multiple recipiants? Thanks, Joshua _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zerone1683%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.o nmicrosoft.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Aug 16 16:47:25 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 12:47:25 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000401cd7bce$e262fd30$a728f790$@gmail.com> I'm helping with that. Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of josh gregory Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 12:14 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail Josh, you may have to do one person at a time. I'm here at the college I'll be going to now, and the ms web interface is quite accessible. But, I'm not quite sure how to help with email thing. On 8/16/12, Joshua Lester wrote: > Please help me! > My student E-mail address has changed, along with our server. > They've traded the GMail server for Microsoft Web Exchange, powered by > Outlook! > I hate Outlook, because it's difficult to send an E-mail to multiple > recipiants. > Does anyone know why it won't cooperate with me, when I try to E-mail > multiple recipiants? > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail > .com > -- Ways to Connect with me: facebook.com/evercuriousmasteryodo twitter.com/joshg93 Skype: joshgregory93 FaceTime, iMessage and iChat: joshkart12 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Thu Aug 16 16:50:25 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 16:50:25 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail In-Reply-To: <000301cd7bce$b9aa0820$2cfe1860$@gmail.com> References: <000301cd7bc4$2828a050$7879e0f0$@com>, <003c01cd7bc8$e3bad3c0$ab307b40$@gmail.com> , <000301cd7bce$b9aa0820$2cfe1860$@gmail.com> Message-ID: It's a WebMail interface. The interface is called, "Microsoft Exchange." Thanks, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Chris Nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:46 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail Hi Joshua, Good. That's what I use. Are you using the Microsoft Outlook program or a Web mail interface? Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 12:26 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail It's the latest version. Thanks, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Chris Nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:04 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail Hi Joshua, If you need any help learning how to use Outlook, please let me know. I use Outlook for my email and love it. Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chun Chao Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:31 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail Joshua: What version of Outlook are you using? (2003, 2007, 2010) Also, have you configured Outlook so that it will synchronize with Gmail when you check your emails? This will make adding recipients much easier. Did you also add your contacts to the Address Book within Outlook? You can add multiple recipients to both the "To" and "CC" fields, just remember to have a semicolon in between. C.C. Alan -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 7:51 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail Please help me! My student E-mail address has changed, along with our server. They've traded the GMail server for Microsoft Web Exchange, powered by Outlook! I hate Outlook, because it's difficult to send an E-mail to multiple recipiants. Does anyone know why it won't cooperate with me, when I try to E-mail multiple recipiants? Thanks, Joshua _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zerone1683%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.o nmicrosoft.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From daviddod at buffalo.edu Thu Aug 16 20:10:10 2012 From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 16:10:10 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail In-Reply-To: References: <000301cd7bc4$2828a050$7879e0f0$@com> <003c01cd7bc8$e3bad3c0$ab307b40$@gmail.com> <000301cd7bce$b9aa0820$2cfe1860$@gmail.com> Message-ID: http://help.outlook.com/en-US/141/bb899522.aspx Semi-colons to separate names on a list, is probably his problem. Says a friend of mine who knows things about technology that I do not. David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Joshua Lester < JLester8462 at pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com> wrote: > It's a WebMail interface. > The interface is called, "Microsoft Exchange." > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of > Chris Nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:46 AM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail > > Hi Joshua, > > Good. That's what I use. Are you using the Microsoft Outlook program or a > Web mail interface? > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 12:26 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail > > It's the latest version. > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of > Chris Nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:04 AM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail > > Hi Joshua, > > If you need any help learning how to use Outlook, please let me know. I use > Outlook for my email and love it. > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Chun Chao > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:31 AM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail > > Joshua: > > What version of Outlook are you using? (2003, 2007, 2010) Also, have you > configured Outlook so that it will synchronize with Gmail when you check > your emails? This will make adding recipients much easier. > Did you also add your contacts to the Address Book within Outlook? > You can add multiple recipients to both the "To" and "CC" fields, just > remember to have a semicolon in between. > > C.C. Alan > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 7:51 AM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail > > Please help me! > My student E-mail address has changed, along with our server. > They've traded the GMail server for Microsoft Web Exchange, powered by > Outlook! > I hate Outlook, because it's difficult to send an E-mail to multiple > recipiants. > Does anyone know why it won't cooperate with me, when I try to E-mail > multiple recipiants? > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zerone1683%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.o > nmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu > From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Thu Aug 16 21:05:52 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 21:05:52 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail In-Reply-To: References: <000301cd7bc4$2828a050$7879e0f0$@com> <003c01cd7bc8$e3bad3c0$ab307b40$@gmail.com> <000301cd7bce$b9aa0820$2cfe1860$@gmail.com> , Message-ID: I use commas, between addresses, when I send E-mails, and I get this thing telling me that I need to choose a recipiant. That's wierd! Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of David Dodge [daviddod at buffalo.edu] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 3:10 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs http://help.outlook.com/US/141/bb899522.aspx Semi-colons to separate names on a list, is probably his problem. Says a friend of mine who knows things about technology that I do not. David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Joshua Lester < JLester8462 at pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com> wrote: > It's a WebMail interface. > The interface is called, "Microsoft Exchange." > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of > Chris Nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:46 AM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail > > Hi Joshua, > > Good. That's what I use. Are you using the Microsoft Outlook program or a > Web mail interface? > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 12:26 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail > > It's the latest version. > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of > Chris Nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:04 AM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail > > Hi Joshua, > > If you need any help learning how to use Outlook, please let me know. I use > Outlook for my email and love it. > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Chun Chao > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:31 AM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail > > Joshua: > > What version of Outlook are you using? (2003, 2007, 2010) Also, have you > configured Outlook so that it will synchronize with Gmail when you check > your emails? This will make adding recipients much easier. > Did you also add your contacts to the Address Book within Outlook? > You can add multiple recipients to both the "To" and "CC" fields, just > remember to have a semicolon in between. > > C.C. Alan > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 7:51 AM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail > > Please help me! > My student E-mail address has changed, along with our server. > They've traded the GMail server for Microsoft Web Exchange, powered by > Outlook! > I hate Outlook, because it's difficult to send an E-mail to multiple > recipiants. > Does anyone know why it won't cooperate with me, when I try to E-mail > multiple recipiants? > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zerone1683%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.o > nmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Aug 16 21:07:44 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 17:07:44 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail In-Reply-To: References: <000301cd7bc4$2828a050$7879e0f0$@com><003c01cd7bc8$e3bad3c0$ab307b40$@gmail.com><000301cd7bce$b9aa0820$2cfe1860$@gmail.com>, Message-ID: <2AB194B7F0CA49B88D5C7C102E678588@OwnerPC> then try using semicolons and space between punctuation -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 5:05 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail I use commas, between addresses, when I send E-mails, and I get this thing telling me that I need to choose a recipiant. That's wierd! Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of David Dodge [daviddod at buffalo.edu] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 3:10 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs http://help.outlook.com/US/141/bb899522.aspx Semi-colons to separate names on a list, is probably his problem. Says a friend of mine who knows things about technology that I do not. David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Joshua Lester < JLester8462 at pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com> wrote: > It's a WebMail interface. > The interface is called, "Microsoft Exchange." > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of > Chris Nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:46 AM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail > > Hi Joshua, > > Good. That's what I use. Are you using the Microsoft Outlook program or a > Web mail interface? > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 12:26 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail > > It's the latest version. > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of > Chris Nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:04 AM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail > > Hi Joshua, > > If you need any help learning how to use Outlook, please let me know. I > use > Outlook for my email and love it. > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Chun Chao > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:31 AM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail > > Joshua: > > What version of Outlook are you using? (2003, 2007, 2010) Also, have you > configured Outlook so that it will synchronize with Gmail when you check > your emails? This will make adding recipients much easier. > Did you also add your contacts to the Address Book within Outlook? > You can add multiple recipients to both the "To" and "CC" fields, just > remember to have a semicolon in between. > > C.C. Alan > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 7:51 AM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail > > Please help me! > My student E-mail address has changed, along with our server. > They've traded the GMail server for Microsoft Web Exchange, powered by > Outlook! > I hate Outlook, because it's difficult to send an E-mail to multiple > recipiants. > Does anyone know why it won't cooperate with me, when I try to E-mail > multiple recipiants? > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zerone1683%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.o > nmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Aug 16 23:10:17 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 19:10:17 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [BANA-Announce] BANA to Vote about Braille Code in November In-Reply-To: <26403A4D987A9E48813E69BF7B8EC27B1767A034@PERK-VMBX01.Perkins.org> References: <26403A4D987A9E48813E69BF7B8EC27B1767A034@PERK-VMBX01.Perkins.org> Message-ID: <003801cd7c04$4e7a6550$eb6f2ff0$@gmail.com> Hi everyone, It's official. BANA will vote on the adoption of UEB at its fall board meeting in November. Here is the press release: From: bana-announce-bounces at brailleauthority.org [mailto:bana-announce-bounces at brailleauthority.org] On Behalf Of Kim.Charlson at Perkins.org Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 6:10 PM To: BANA-Announce at brailleauthority.org Subject: [BANA-Announce] BANA to Vote about Braille Code in November Press Release August 2012 For Immediate Release CONTACT: Frances Mary D'Andrea, Chair Braille Authority of North America Phone: 412-521-5797 Email: literacy2 at mindspring.com BANA to Vote about Braille Code in November At its fall 2012 meeting, which will be held November 2nd through 4th, the Braille Authority of North America will take a vote that will set the course for the future of braille codes in the United States. The direction under consideration is the adoption of Unified English Braille while maintaining the Nemeth Code for technical materials. "We need to make improvements to reduce barriers that hinder timely and accurate braille transcription and to ensure that braille will remain a flexible, robust system that meets the needs of people who read and write braille in this digital age," said Frances Mary D'Andrea, Chair of BANA. "If the motion is approved, it would be the first step in the decision-making process, which will include developing a carefully formulated plan for transition and implementation of the code while as much as possible avoiding disruption for current braille readers." The Board of BANA consists of appointed representatives from fifteen member organizations of braille producers, transcribers, teachers, and consumers. Detailed information about the background of the code issues can be found in the article "Evolution of Braille: Can the Past Help Plan the Future?" Links to this article are available on the BANA website home page at www.brailleauthority.org. Print and braille copies of this article are available upon request. Please send an email to brailleauthority at gmail.com, providing your postal mailing address and stating if you want a print or braille copy. Additional information about UEB can be found at the website of the International Council on English Braille at www.iceb.org. Details about the fall BANA Board meeting, to be hosted by the Braille Institute of America in Los Angeles, will be announced in the coming weeks. For additional resource information, visit www.brailleauthority.org. The mission and purpose of the Braille Authority of North America are to assure literacy for tactile readers through the standardization of braille and/or tactile graphics. BANA promotes and facilitates the use, teaching, and production of braille. It publishes rules, interprets, and renders opinions pertaining to braille in all existing codes. 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Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 5:06 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail I use commas, between addresses, when I send E-mails, and I get this thing telling me that I need to choose a recipiant. That's wierd! Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of David Dodge [daviddod at buffalo.edu] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 3:10 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs http://help.outlook.com/US/141/bb899522.aspx Semi-colons to separate names on a list, is probably his problem. Says a friend of mine who knows things about technology that I do not. David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Joshua Lester < JLester8462 at pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com> wrote: > It's a WebMail interface. > The interface is called, "Microsoft Exchange." > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf > of Chris Nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:46 AM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail > > Hi Joshua, > > Good. That's what I use. Are you using the Microsoft Outlook program > or a Web mail interface? > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 12:26 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail > > It's the latest version. > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf > of Chris Nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:04 AM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail > > Hi Joshua, > > If you need any help learning how to use Outlook, please let me know. > I use Outlook for my email and love it. > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Chun Chao > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:31 AM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail > > Joshua: > > What version of Outlook are you using? (2003, 2007, 2010) Also, have > you configured Outlook so that it will synchronize with Gmail when you > check your emails? This will make adding recipients much easier. > Did you also add your contacts to the Address Book within Outlook? > You can add multiple recipients to both the "To" and "CC" fields, just > remember to have a semicolon in between. > > C.C. Alan > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 7:51 AM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail > > Please help me! > My student E-mail address has changed, along with our server. > They've traded the GMail server for Microsoft Web Exchange, powered by > Outlook! > I hate Outlook, because it's difficult to send an E-mail to multiple > recipiants. > Does anyone know why it won't cooperate with me, when I try to E-mail > multiple recipiants? > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zerone1683%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40g > mail.c > om 40gmail.c%0Aom> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccu > aedu.o > nmicrosoft.com ster8462%40pccuaedu.o%0Anmicrosoft.com> > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40g > mail.c > om 40gmail.c%0Aom> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccu > aedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo > .edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.o nmicrosoft.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Aug 17 02:02:06 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 22:02:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail In-Reply-To: References: <000301cd7bc4$2828a050$7879e0f0$@com>, <003c01cd7bc8$e3bad3c0$ab307b40$@gmail.com> , <000301cd7bce$b9aa0820$2cfe1860$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000701cd7c1c$4f0e7b10$ed2b7130$@gmail.com> Hi Joshua, Oh, OK. This is the same interface our school system uses for our teachers' emails. My TVI has logged into her email using the Microsoft Exchange Webmail interface a few times with JAWS running, and to me it seems pretty accessible and very much like the Microsoft Outlook program, although I haven't personally played with it much. Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 12:50 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail It's a WebMail interface. The interface is called, "Microsoft Exchange." Thanks, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Chris Nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:46 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail Hi Joshua, Good. That's what I use. Are you using the Microsoft Outlook program or a Web mail interface? Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 12:26 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail It's the latest version. Thanks, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Chris Nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:04 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail Hi Joshua, If you need any help learning how to use Outlook, please let me know. I use Outlook for my email and love it. Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chun Chao Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:31 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail Joshua: What version of Outlook are you using? (2003, 2007, 2010) Also, have you configured Outlook so that it will synchronize with Gmail when you check your emails? This will make adding recipients much easier. Did you also add your contacts to the Address Book within Outlook? You can add multiple recipients to both the "To" and "CC" fields, just remember to have a semicolon in between. C.C. Alan -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 7:51 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail Please help me! My student E-mail address has changed, along with our server. They've traded the GMail server for Microsoft Web Exchange, powered by Outlook! I hate Outlook, because it's difficult to send an E-mail to multiple recipiants. Does anyone know why it won't cooperate with me, when I try to E-mail multiple recipiants? Thanks, Joshua _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zerone1683%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.o nmicrosoft.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.o nmicrosoft.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Fri Aug 17 04:16:51 2012 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 21:16:51 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: NVDA screen reader News: Come and See NVDA at Vision Australia's Texpo 2012 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005401cd7c2f$21847b50$648d71f0$@gmail.com> Please see below: -----Original Message----- From: nvda-announce-bounces at lists.nvaccess.org [mailto:nvda-announce-bounces at lists.nvaccess.org] On Behalf Of NVDA announcement list Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 9:12 PM To: nvda-announce at lists.nvaccess.org Subject: NVDA screen reader News: Come and See NVDA at Vision Australia's Texpo 2012 NV Access will be demonstrating NVDA at Texpo 2012, an annual public event run by Vision Australia to showcase current technologies and services available for those who are blind and vision impaired in Australia. On August 24th and 25th in Melbourne, August 31st and September 1st in Sydney, and September 7th and 8th in Brisbane, you will get a chance to chat with the developers of NVDA and learn about its benefits and features in several 45 minute sessions run over the course of each day. For more information about locations and what else will be at Texpo, please visit the Texpo 2012 website at http://www.visionaustralia.org/info.aspx?page=2331 Presented by lead developers Michael Curran and James Teh, The NVDA sessions will introduce and demonstrate NVDA, including browsing the web, working with documents and much more. These sessions run for around 45 minutes, starting at 10:30, 11:45, 1:15 and 2:30 on Friday and 10:15, 11:30, 1:00 and 2:15 on Saturday. Michael and James will also be available for questions after each session. We look forward to seeing you there. Please consider donating to NV Access to support NVDA's continued development: http://www.nvaccess.org/wiki/Donate -- This is the NVDA announcement mailing list. To unsubscribe or edit your options, please visit: http://lists.nvaccess.org/listinfo/nvda-announce From ignasicambra at gmail.com Fri Aug 17 08:02:19 2012 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 04:02:19 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail In-Reply-To: References: <000301cd7bc4$2828a050$7879e0f0$@com> <003c01cd7bc8$e3bad3c0$ab307b40$@gmail.com> <000301cd7bce$b9aa0820$2cfe1860$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <-7564069964922924230@unknownmsgid> I don't know how accessible the web interface is, but if it doesn't work you should try reading your email from an email program such as Outlook or anything else that you like. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 16, 2012, at 12:53 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > It's a WebMail interface. > The interface is called, "Microsoft Exchange." > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Chris Nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:46 AM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail > > Hi Joshua, > > Good. That's what I use. Are you using the Microsoft Outlook program or a > Web mail interface? > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 12:26 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail > > It's the latest version. > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of > Chris Nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:04 AM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail > > Hi Joshua, > > If you need any help learning how to use Outlook, please let me know. I use > Outlook for my email and love it. > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Chun Chao > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:31 AM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail > > Joshua: > > What version of Outlook are you using? (2003, 2007, 2010) Also, have you > configured Outlook so that it will synchronize with Gmail when you check > your emails? This will make adding recipients much easier. > Did you also add your contacts to the Address Book within Outlook? > You can add multiple recipients to both the "To" and "CC" fields, just > remember to have a semicolon in between. > > C.C. Alan > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 7:51 AM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail > > Please help me! > My student E-mail address has changed, along with our server. > They've traded the GMail server for Microsoft Web Exchange, powered by > Outlook! > I hate Outlook, because it's difficult to send an E-mail to multiple > recipiants. > Does anyone know why it won't cooperate with me, when I try to E-mail > multiple recipiants? > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zerone1683%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.o > nmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From dandrews at visi.com Fri Aug 17 08:53:22 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 03:53:22 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [BANA-Announce] BANA to Vote about Braille Code in November Message-ID: > >Press Release > >August 2012 > > > >For Immediate Release > >CONTACT: Frances Mary D'Andrea, Chair > >Braille Authority of North America > >Phone: 412-521-5797 > >Email: literacy2 at mindspring.com > > > >BANA to Vote about Braille Code in November > > > >At its fall 2012 meeting, which will be held November 2nd through >4th, the Braille Authority of North America will take a vote that >will set the course for the future of braille codes in the United >States. The direction under consideration is the adoption of Unified >English Braille while maintaining the Nemeth Code for technical materials. > > > >"We need to make improvements to reduce barriers that hinder timely >and accurate braille transcription and to ensure that braille will >remain a flexible, robust system that meets the needs of people who >read and write braille in this digital age," said Frances Mary >D'Andrea, Chair of BANA. "If the motion is approved, it would be the >first step in the decision-making process, which will include >developing a carefully formulated plan for transition and >implementation of the code while as much as possible avoiding >disruption for current braille readers." > > > >The Board of BANA consists of appointed representatives from fifteen >member organizations of braille producers, transcribers, teachers, >and consumers. Detailed information about the background of the code >issues can be found in the article "Evolution of Braille: Can the >Past Help Plan the Future?" Links to this article are available on >the BANA website home page at >www.brailleauthority.org. Print >and braille copies of this article are available upon request. >Please send an email to >brailleauthority at gmail.com, >providing your postal mailing address and stating if you want a >print or braille copy. > > > >Additional information about UEB can be found at the website of the >International Council on English Braille at >www.iceb.org. > > > >Details about the fall BANA Board meeting, to be hosted by the >Braille Institute of America in Los Angeles, will be announced in >the coming weeks. For additional resource information, visit >www.brailleauthority.org. > > > >The mission and purpose of the Braille Authority of North America >are to assure literacy for tactile readers through the >standardization of braille and/or tactile graphics. BANA promotes >and facilitates the use, teaching, and production of braille. It >publishes rules, interprets, and renders opinions pertaining to >braille in all existing codes. It deals with codes now in existence >or to be developed in the future, in collaboration with other >countries using English braille. In exercising its function and >authority, BANA considers the effects of its decisions on other >existing braille codes and formats; the ease of production by >various methods; and acceptability to readers. > > >_______________________________________________ >BANA-Announce mailing list >BANA-Announce at brailleauthority.org >http://www.brailleauthority.org/mailman/listinfo/bana-announce From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Fri Aug 17 18:22:13 2012 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Baccchus) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 14:22:13 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] My New Student Email Message-ID: <502e8be6.4c89ec0a.0905.ffff92fb@mx.google.com> Hi Josthshua I know they chanfed your email address. Can you send me an email so that I have your knew address? Thank you very much. From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Fri Aug 17 19:15:57 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 19:15:57 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail In-Reply-To: <-7564069964922924230@unknownmsgid> References: <000301cd7bc4$2828a050$7879e0f0$@com> <003c01cd7bc8$e3bad3c0$ab307b40$@gmail.com> <000301cd7bce$b9aa0820$2cfe1860$@gmail.com> , <-7564069964922924230@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: I can read my E-mails just fine, but it's sending one E-mail to multiple recipiants, that's troubling me. Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ignasi Cambra [ignasicambra at gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 3:02 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail I don't know how accessible the web interface is, but if it doesn't work you should try reading your email from an email program such as Outlook or anything else that you like. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 16, 2012, at 12:53 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > It's a WebMail interface. > The interface is called, "Microsoft Exchange." > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Chris Nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:46 AM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail > > Hi Joshua, > > Good. That's what I use. Are you using the Microsoft Outlook program or a > Web mail interface? > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 12:26 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail > > It's the latest version. > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of > Chris Nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:04 AM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail > > Hi Joshua, > > If you need any help learning how to use Outlook, please let me know. I use > Outlook for my email and love it. > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Chun Chao > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:31 AM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail > > Joshua: > > What version of Outlook are you using? (2003, 2007, 2010) Also, have you > configured Outlook so that it will synchronize with Gmail when you check > your emails? This will make adding recipients much easier. > Did you also add your contacts to the Address Book within Outlook? > You can add multiple recipients to both the "To" and "CC" fields, just > remember to have a semicolon in between. > > C.C. Alan > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 7:51 AM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail > > Please help me! > My student E-mail address has changed, along with our server. > They've traded the GMail server for Microsoft Web Exchange, powered by > Outlook! > I hate Outlook, because it's difficult to send an E-mail to multiple > recipiants. > Does anyone know why it won't cooperate with me, when I try to E-mail > multiple recipiants? > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zerone1683%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.o > nmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Fri Aug 17 21:07:45 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 21:07:45 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] My computer's acting wierd! Message-ID: The Caps Lock key is acting wierd! I have to double tap it, to get it to work. Also, it's reversed! If I turn Caps Lock on, the letters will all be lower cased, but if I turn it off, the letters are all upper case! What's going on? This may be a sign, that I need a new computer! Thanks, Joshua From dsykora29 at gmail.com Fri Aug 17 21:21:09 2012 From: dsykora29 at gmail.com (Danielle Sykora) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 17:21:09 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] My computer's acting wierd! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Joshua, Wow, that's weird! I have to hit alt with capslock twice to get it to work on my computer. Danielle On 8/17/12, Joshua Lester wrote: > The Caps Lock key is acting wierd! > I have to double tap it, to get it to work. > Also, it's reversed! > If I turn Caps Lock on, the letters will all be lower cased, but if I turn > it off, the letters are all upper case! > What's going on? > This may be a sign, that I need a new computer! > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40gmail.com > From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Fri Aug 17 21:24:31 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 21:24:31 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] My computer's acting wierd! In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Wow! You might need a new one, as well! Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Danielle Sykora [dsykora29 at gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 4:21 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My computer's acting wierd! Hi Joshua, Wow, that's weird! I have to hit alt with capslock twice to get it to work on my computer. Danielle On 8/17/12, Joshua Lester wrote: > The Caps Lock key is acting wierd! > I have to double tap it, to get it to work. > Also, it's reversed! > If I turn Caps Lock on, the letters will all be lower cased, but if I turn > it off, the letters are all upper case! > What's going on? > This may be a sign, that I need a new computer! > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Fri Aug 17 21:27:09 2012 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 15:27:09 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] My computer's acting wierd! Message-ID: <502eb739.49cb320a.7f4f.00ae@mx.google.com> That's wierd. My computer acted weird for a while and broke. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: Danielle Sykora wrote: The Caps Lock key is acting wierd! I have to double tap it, to get it to work. Also, it's reversed! If I turn Caps Lock on, the letters will all be lower cased, but if I turn it off, the letters are all upper case! What's going on? This may be a sign, that I need a new computer! Thanks, Joshua _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40g mail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo se%40gmail.com From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Fri Aug 17 21:30:23 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 21:30:23 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] My computer's acting wierd! In-Reply-To: <502eb739.49cb320a.7f4f.00ae@mx.google.com> References: <502eb739.49cb320a.7f4f.00ae@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Wow! Mine might be about to break, as well! Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Beth [thebluesisloose at gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 4:27 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My computer's acting wierd! That's wierd. My computer acted weird for a while and broke. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: Danielle Sykora wrote: The Caps Lock key is acting wierd! I have to double tap it, to get it to work. Also, it's reversed! If I turn Caps Lock on, the letters will all be lower cased, but if I turn it off, the letters are all upper case! What's going on? This may be a sign, that I need a new computer! Thanks, Joshua _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40g mail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo se%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Fri Aug 17 21:36:34 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 15:36:34 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] My computer's acting wierd! In-Reply-To: References: <502eb739.49cb320a.7f4f.00ae@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi all, Before giving up on your computer or doing anything drastic, have you tried a good old reboot? My dad, who has a master's in computer science and is an IT guy, says that 80% of computer problems can be solved with a simple reboot. I don't know if the number is that high, but I've definitely found that rebooting fixes many quirky issues that seem to come out of nowhere, like this one. Plus, rebooting forces you to get out of all your applications, documents, etc. so if one is acting screwy, your problem should be gone by the time you restart. Best of luck, Arielle On 8/17/12, Joshua Lester wrote: > Wow! > Mine might be about to break, as well! > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of > Beth [thebluesisloose at gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 4:27 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My computer's acting wierd! > > That's wierd. My computer acted weird for a while and broke. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Danielle Sykora To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 17:21:09 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My computer's acting wierd! > > Hi Joshua, > Wow, that's weird! I have to hit alt with capslock twice to get > it to > work on my computer. > Danielle > > On 8/17/12, Joshua Lester > wrote: > The Caps Lock key is acting wierd! > I have to double tap it, to get it to work. > Also, it's reversed! > If I turn Caps Lock on, the letters will all be lower cased, but > if I turn > it off, the letters are all upper case! > What's going on? > This may be a sign, that I need a new computer! > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo > se%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Fri Aug 17 22:05:25 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 22:05:25 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] My computer's acting wierd! In-Reply-To: References: <502eb739.49cb320a.7f4f.00ae@mx.google.com> , Message-ID: Thanks, Arielle! Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Arielle Silverman [arielle71 at gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 4:36 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My computer's acting wierd! Hi all, Before giving up on your computer or doing anything drastic, have you tried a good old reboot? My dad, who has a master's in computer science and is an IT guy, says that 80% of computer problems can be solved with a simple reboot. I don't know if the number is that high, but I've definitely found that rebooting fixes many quirky issues that seem to come out of nowhere, like this one. Plus, rebooting forces you to get out of all your applications, documents, etc. so if one is acting screwy, your problem should be gone by the time you restart. Best of luck, Arielle On 8/17/12, Joshua Lester wrote: > Wow! > Mine might be about to break, as well! > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of > Beth [thebluesisloose at gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 4:27 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My computer's acting wierd! > > That's wierd. My computer acted weird for a while and broke. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Danielle Sykora To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 17:21:09 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My computer's acting wierd! > > Hi Joshua, > Wow, that's weird! I have to hit alt with capslock twice to get > it to > work on my computer. > Danielle > > On 8/17/12, Joshua Lester > wrote: > The Caps Lock key is acting wierd! > I have to double tap it, to get it to work. > Also, it's reversed! > If I turn Caps Lock on, the letters will all be lower cased, but > if I turn > it off, the letters are all upper case! > What's going on? > This may be a sign, that I need a new computer! > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo > se%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From turtlepower17 at gmail.com Fri Aug 17 23:18:34 2012 From: turtlepower17 at gmail.com (Desiree Oudinot) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 19:18:34 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] My computer's acting wierd! In-Reply-To: References: <502eb739.49cb320a.7f4f.00ae@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Your first problem might be because Jaws is set in laptop mode. If you're using a laptop, that would make sense, since most laptops don't have an insert key which forces you to use the caps lock as an insert key. Try going into your Jaws basic settings and see if the keyboard layout is set to desktop or laptop. I have no idea why its function would be reversed though, that's a new one on me. On 8/17/12, Joshua Lester wrote: > Thanks, Arielle! > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of > Arielle Silverman [arielle71 at gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 4:36 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My computer's acting wierd! > > Hi all, > Before giving up on your computer or doing anything drastic, have you > tried a good old reboot? > My dad, who has a master's in computer science and is an IT guy, says > that 80% of computer problems can be solved with a simple reboot. > I don't know if the number is that high, but I've definitely found > that rebooting fixes many quirky issues that seem to come out of > nowhere, like this one. > Plus, rebooting forces you to get out of all your applications, > documents, etc. so if one is acting screwy, your problem should be > gone by the time you restart. > Best of luck, > Arielle > > On 8/17/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >> Wow! >> Mine might be about to break, as well! >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >> Beth [thebluesisloose at gmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 4:27 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My computer's acting wierd! >> >> That's wierd. My computer acted weird for a while and broke. >> Beth >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Danielle Sykora > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 17:21:09 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My computer's acting wierd! >> >> Hi Joshua, >> Wow, that's weird! I have to hit alt with capslock twice to get >> it to >> work on my computer. >> Danielle >> >> On 8/17/12, Joshua Lester >> wrote: >> The Caps Lock key is acting wierd! >> I have to double tap it, to get it to work. >> Also, it's reversed! >> If I turn Caps Lock on, the letters will all be lower cased, but >> if I turn >> it off, the letters are all upper case! >> What's going on? >> This may be a sign, that I need a new computer! >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40g >> mail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo >> se%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sat Aug 18 00:28:36 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 20:28:36 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] My computer's acting wierd! In-Reply-To: References: <502eb739.49cb320a.7f4f.00ae@mx.google.com>, Message-ID: <075739AA622242319902D5DDB4FAC0B5@OwnerPC> Hi, Well, is it a desktop or laptop? ?You need to make sure your jaws settings match it. If it’s a laptop, set it to laptop mode and vice versa. -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 6:05 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My computer's acting wierd! Thanks, Arielle! Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Arielle Silverman [arielle71 at gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 4:36 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My computer's acting wierd! Hi all, Before giving up on your computer or doing anything drastic, have you tried a good old reboot? My dad, who has a master's in computer science and is an IT guy, says that 80% of computer problems can be solved with a simple reboot. I don't know if the number is that high, but I've definitely found that rebooting fixes many quirky issues that seem to come out of nowhere, like this one. Plus, rebooting forces you to get out of all your applications, documents, etc. so if one is acting screwy, your problem should be gone by the time you restart. Best of luck, Arielle On 8/17/12, Joshua Lester wrote: > Wow! > Mine might be about to break, as well! > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of > Beth [thebluesisloose at gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 4:27 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My computer's acting wierd! > > That's wierd. My computer acted weird for a while and broke. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Danielle Sykora To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 17:21:09 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My computer's acting wierd! > > Hi Joshua, > Wow, that's weird! I have to hit alt with capslock twice to get > it to > work on my computer. > Danielle > > On 8/17/12, Joshua Lester > wrote: > The Caps Lock key is acting wierd! > I have to double tap it, to get it to work. > Also, it's reversed! > If I turn Caps Lock on, the letters will all be lower cased, but > if I turn > it off, the letters are all upper case! > What's going on? > This may be a sign, that I need a new computer! > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo > se%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Sat Aug 18 01:02:01 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 01:02:01 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] My computer's acting wierd! In-Reply-To: <075739AA622242319902D5DDB4FAC0B5@OwnerPC> References: <502eb739.49cb320a.7f4f.00ae@mx.google.com>, , <075739AA622242319902D5DDB4FAC0B5@OwnerPC> Message-ID: It's still my lame Acer laptop. Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Bramlett [bookwormahb at earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 7:28 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My computer's acting wierd! Hi, Well, is it a desktop or laptop? ?You need to make sure your jaws settings match it. If it’s a laptop, set it to laptop mode and vice versa. -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 6:05 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My computer's acting wierd! Thanks, Arielle! Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Arielle Silverman [arielle71 at gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 4:36 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My computer's acting wierd! Hi all, Before giving up on your computer or doing anything drastic, have you tried a good old reboot? My dad, who has a master's in computer science and is an IT guy, says that 80% of computer problems can be solved with a simple reboot. I don't know if the number is that high, but I've definitely found that rebooting fixes many quirky issues that seem to come out of nowhere, like this one. Plus, rebooting forces you to get out of all your applications, documents, etc. so if one is acting screwy, your problem should be gone by the time you restart. Best of luck, Arielle On 8/17/12, Joshua Lester wrote: > Wow! > Mine might be about to break, as well! > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of > Beth [thebluesisloose at gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 4:27 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My computer's acting wierd! > > That's wierd. My computer acted weird for a while and broke. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Danielle Sykora To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 17:21:09 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My computer's acting wierd! > > Hi Joshua, > Wow, that's weird! I have to hit alt with capslock twice to get > it to > work on my computer. > Danielle > > On 8/17/12, Joshua Lester > wrote: > The Caps Lock key is acting wierd! > I have to double tap it, to get it to work. > Also, it's reversed! > If I turn Caps Lock on, the letters will all be lower cased, but > if I turn > it off, the letters are all upper case! > What's going on? > This may be a sign, that I need a new computer! > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo > se%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Sat Aug 18 01:03:43 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 01:03:43 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] My computer's acting wierd! In-Reply-To: References: <502eb739.49cb320a.7f4f.00ae@mx.google.com> , Message-ID: It's set as a Laptop ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Desiree Oudinot [turtlepower17 at gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 6:18 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My computer's acting wierd! Your first problem might be because Jaws is set in laptop mode. If you're using a laptop, that would make sense, since most laptops don't have an insert key which forces you to use the caps lock as an insert key. Try going into your Jaws basic settings and see if the keyboard layout is set to desktop or laptop. I have no idea why its function would be reversed though, that's a new one on me. On 8/17/12, Joshua Lester wrote: > Thanks, Arielle! > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of > Arielle Silverman [arielle71 at gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 4:36 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My computer's acting wierd! > > Hi all, > Before giving up on your computer or doing anything drastic, have you > tried a good old reboot? > My dad, who has a master's in computer science and is an IT guy, says > that 80% of computer problems can be solved with a simple reboot. > I don't know if the number is that high, but I've definitely found > that rebooting fixes many quirky issues that seem to come out of > nowhere, like this one. > Plus, rebooting forces you to get out of all your applications, > documents, etc. so if one is acting screwy, your problem should be > gone by the time you restart. > Best of luck, > Arielle > > On 8/17/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >> Wow! >> Mine might be about to break, as well! >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >> Beth [thebluesisloose at gmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 4:27 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My computer's acting wierd! >> >> That's wierd. My computer acted weird for a while and broke. >> Beth >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Danielle Sykora > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 17:21:09 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My computer's acting wierd! >> >> Hi Joshua, >> Wow, that's weird! I have to hit alt with capslock twice to get >> it to >> work on my computer. >> Danielle >> >> On 8/17/12, Joshua Lester >> wrote: >> The Caps Lock key is acting wierd! >> I have to double tap it, to get it to work. >> Also, it's reversed! >> If I turn Caps Lock on, the letters will all be lower cased, but >> if I turn >> it off, the letters are all upper case! >> What's going on? >> This may be a sign, that I need a new computer! >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40g >> mail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo >> se%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Aug 18 13:36:26 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 09:36:26 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] My computer's acting wierd! In-Reply-To: References: <502eb739.49cb320a.7f4f.00ae@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <98C90A12-D5B9-4555-8A7C-02D95B153BDA@gmail.com> On some laptops, there are keys with double functions. For example, my laptop has an insert key, but it is also the print screen key. So, when I want to use the insert key in a JAWS keystroke, I have to press the function key plus insert plus whatever else is in the keystroke I'm doing. For example, if I was typing the JAWS links list command, which is insert plus f7, I would type function plus insert plus f7. Desiree, is this what you're talking about? Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPod On Aug 17, 2012, at 7:18 PM, Desiree Oudinot wrote: > Your first problem might be because Jaws is set in laptop mode. If > you're using a laptop, that would make sense, since most laptops don't > have an insert key which forces you to use the caps lock as an insert > key. Try going into your Jaws basic settings and see if the keyboard > layout is set to desktop or laptop. I have no idea why its function > would be reversed though, that's a new one on me. > > On 8/17/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >> Thanks, Arielle! >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >> Arielle Silverman [arielle71 at gmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 4:36 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My computer's acting wierd! >> >> Hi all, >> Before giving up on your computer or doing anything drastic, have you >> tried a good old reboot? >> My dad, who has a master's in computer science and is an IT guy, says >> that 80% of computer problems can be solved with a simple reboot. >> I don't know if the number is that high, but I've definitely found >> that rebooting fixes many quirky issues that seem to come out of >> nowhere, like this one. >> Plus, rebooting forces you to get out of all your applications, >> documents, etc. so if one is acting screwy, your problem should be >> gone by the time you restart. >> Best of luck, >> Arielle >> >> On 8/17/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> Wow! >>> Mine might be about to break, as well! >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >>> Beth [thebluesisloose at gmail.com] >>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 4:27 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My computer's acting wierd! >>> >>> That's wierd. My computer acted weird for a while and broke. >>> Beth >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Danielle Sykora >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 17:21:09 -0400 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My computer's acting wierd! >>> >>> Hi Joshua, >>> Wow, that's weird! I have to hit alt with capslock twice to get >>> it to >>> work on my computer. >>> Danielle >>> >>> On 8/17/12, Joshua Lester >>> wrote: >>> The Caps Lock key is acting wierd! >>> I have to double tap it, to get it to work. >>> Also, it's reversed! >>> If I turn Caps Lock on, the letters will all be lower cased, but >>> if I turn >>> it off, the letters are all upper case! >>> What's going on? >>> This may be a sign, that I need a new computer! >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40g >>> mail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo >>> se%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Sat Aug 18 15:23:28 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 15:23:28 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] My computer's acting wierd! In-Reply-To: <98C90A12-D5B9-4555-8A7C-02D95B153BDA@gmail.com> References: <502eb739.49cb320a.7f4f.00ae@mx.google.com> , <98C90A12-D5B9-4555-8A7C-02D95B153BDA@gmail.com> Message-ID: That's interesting! What brand of laptop is it? I'm looking into getting something else, that will last longer than this Acer. Thanks, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Chris Nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 8:36 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My computer's acting wierd! On some laptops, there are keys with double functions. For example, my laptop has an insert key, but it is also the print screen key. So, when I want to use the insert key in a JAWS keystroke, I have to press the function key plus insert plus whatever else is in the keystroke I'm doing. For example, if I was typing the JAWS links list command, which is insert plus f7, I would type function plus insert plus f7. Desiree, is this what you're talking about? Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPod On Aug 17, 2012, at 7:18 PM, Desiree Oudinot wrote: > Your first problem might be because Jaws is set in laptop mode. If > you're using a laptop, that would make sense, since most laptops don't > have an insert key which forces you to use the caps lock as an insert > key. Try going into your Jaws basic settings and see if the keyboard > layout is set to desktop or laptop. I have no idea why its function > would be reversed though, that's a new one on me. > > On 8/17/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >> Thanks, Arielle! >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >> Arielle Silverman [arielle71 at gmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 4:36 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My computer's acting wierd! >> >> Hi all, >> Before giving up on your computer or doing anything drastic, have you >> tried a good old reboot? >> My dad, who has a master's in computer science and is an IT guy, says >> that 80% of computer problems can be solved with a simple reboot. >> I don't know if the number is that high, but I've definitely found >> that rebooting fixes many quirky issues that seem to come out of >> nowhere, like this one. >> Plus, rebooting forces you to get out of all your applications, >> documents, etc. so if one is acting screwy, your problem should be >> gone by the time you restart. >> Best of luck, >> Arielle >> >> On 8/17/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> Wow! >>> Mine might be about to break, as well! >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >>> Beth [thebluesisloose at gmail.com] >>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 4:27 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My computer's acting wierd! >>> >>> That's wierd. My computer acted weird for a while and broke. >>> Beth >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Danielle Sykora >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 17:21:09 -0400 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My computer's acting wierd! >>> >>> Hi Joshua, >>> Wow, that's weird! I have to hit alt with capslock twice to get >>> it to >>> work on my computer. >>> Danielle >>> >>> On 8/17/12, Joshua Lester >>> wrote: >>> The Caps Lock key is acting wierd! >>> I have to double tap it, to get it to work. >>> Also, it's reversed! >>> If I turn Caps Lock on, the letters will all be lower cased, but >>> if I turn >>> it off, the letters are all upper case! >>> What's going on? >>> This may be a sign, that I need a new computer! >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40g >>> mail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo >>> se%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From ignasicambra at gmail.com Sat Aug 18 15:29:25 2012 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 11:29:25 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail In-Reply-To: References: <000301cd7bc4$2828a050$7879e0f0$@com> <003c01cd7bc8$e3bad3c0$ab307b40$@gmail.com> <000301cd7bce$b9aa0820$2cfe1860$@gmail.com> <-7564069964922924230@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <8716508767197085693@unknownmsgid> Obviously by reading your email I meant both reading and sending...! Sent from my iPhone On Aug 17, 2012, at 3:17 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > I can read my E-mails just fine, but it's sending one E-mail to multiple recipiants, that's troubling me. > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ignasi Cambra [ignasicambra at gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 3:02 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail > > I don't know how accessible the web interface is, but if it doesn't > work you should try reading your email from an email program such as > Outlook or anything else that you like. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 16, 2012, at 12:53 PM, Joshua Lester > wrote: > >> It's a WebMail interface. >> The interface is called, "Microsoft Exchange." >> Thanks, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Chris Nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] >> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:46 AM >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >> >> Hi Joshua, >> >> Good. That's what I use. Are you using the Microsoft Outlook program or a >> Web mail interface? >> >> Chris >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >> Of Joshua Lester >> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 12:26 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >> >> It's the latest version. >> Thanks, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >> Chris Nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] >> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:04 AM >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >> >> Hi Joshua, >> >> If you need any help learning how to use Outlook, please let me know. I use >> Outlook for my email and love it. >> >> Chris >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >> Of Chun Chao >> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:31 AM >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >> >> Joshua: >> >> What version of Outlook are you using? (2003, 2007, 2010) Also, have you >> configured Outlook so that it will synchronize with Gmail when you check >> your emails? This will make adding recipients much easier. >> Did you also add your contacts to the Address Book within Outlook? >> You can add multiple recipients to both the "To" and "CC" fields, just >> remember to have a semicolon in between. >> >> C.C. Alan >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >> Of Joshua Lester >> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 7:51 AM >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >> >> Please help me! >> My student E-mail address has changed, along with our server. >> They've traded the GMail server for Microsoft Web Exchange, powered by >> Outlook! >> I hate Outlook, because it's difficult to send an E-mail to multiple >> recipiants. >> Does anyone know why it won't cooperate with me, when I try to E-mail >> multiple recipiants? >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zerone1683%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c >> om >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.o >> nmicrosoft.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c >> om >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Sat Aug 18 15:40:12 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 15:40:12 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail In-Reply-To: <8716508767197085693@unknownmsgid> References: <000301cd7bc4$2828a050$7879e0f0$@com> <003c01cd7bc8$e3bad3c0$ab307b40$@gmail.com> <000301cd7bce$b9aa0820$2cfe1860$@gmail.com> <-7564069964922924230@unknownmsgid> , <8716508767197085693@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Now, to another question. How can I access my contacts, on this new interface? When I go to contacts, it won't let me view them, like GMail would. Thanks, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ignasi Cambra [ignasicambra at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 10:29 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail Obviously by reading your email I meant both reading and sending...! Sent from my iPhone On Aug 17, 2012, at 3:17 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > I can read my E-mails just fine, but it's sending one E-mail to multiple recipiants, that's troubling me. > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ignasi Cambra [ignasicambra at gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 3:02 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail > > I don't know how accessible the web interface is, but if it doesn't > work you should try reading your email from an email program such as > Outlook or anything else that you like. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 16, 2012, at 12:53 PM, Joshua Lester > wrote: > >> It's a WebMail interface. >> The interface is called, "Microsoft Exchange." >> Thanks, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Chris Nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] >> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:46 AM >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >> >> Hi Joshua, >> >> Good. That's what I use. Are you using the Microsoft Outlook program or a >> Web mail interface? >> >> Chris >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >> Of Joshua Lester >> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 12:26 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >> >> It's the latest version. >> Thanks, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >> Chris Nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] >> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:04 AM >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >> >> Hi Joshua, >> >> If you need any help learning how to use Outlook, please let me know. I use >> Outlook for my email and love it. >> >> Chris >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >> Of Chun Chao >> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:31 AM >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >> >> Joshua: >> >> What version of Outlook are you using? (2003, 2007, 2010) Also, have you >> configured Outlook so that it will synchronize with Gmail when you check >> your emails? This will make adding recipients much easier. >> Did you also add your contacts to the Address Book within Outlook? >> You can add multiple recipients to both the "To" and "CC" fields, just >> remember to have a semicolon in between. >> >> C.C. Alan >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >> Of Joshua Lester >> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 7:51 AM >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >> >> Please help me! >> My student E-mail address has changed, along with our server. >> They've traded the GMail server for Microsoft Web Exchange, powered by >> Outlook! >> I hate Outlook, because it's difficult to send an E-mail to multiple >> recipiants. >> Does anyone know why it won't cooperate with me, when I try to E-mail >> multiple recipiants? >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zerone1683%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c >> om >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.o >> nmicrosoft.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c >> om >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Sat Aug 18 20:20:42 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 16:20:42 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail In-Reply-To: References: <000301cd7bc4$2828a050$7879e0f0$@com> <003c01cd7bc8$e3bad3c0$ab307b40$@gmail.com> <000301cd7bce$b9aa0820$2cfe1860$@gmail.com> <-7564069964922924230@unknownmsgid> <8716508767197085693@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <391507BB-59BA-4143-9AAD-F0CDF073D63E@gmail.com> Go back 2 g mail Sent from my iPad On Aug 18, 2012, at 11:40, Joshua Lester wrote: > Now, to another question. > How can I access my contacts, on this new interface? > When I go to contacts, it won't let me view them, like GMail would. > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ignasi Cambra [ignasicambra at gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 10:29 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail > > Obviously by reading your email I meant both reading and sending...! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 17, 2012, at 3:17 PM, Joshua Lester > wrote: > >> I can read my E-mails just fine, but it's sending one E-mail to multiple recipiants, that's troubling me. >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ignasi Cambra [ignasicambra at gmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 3:02 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >> >> I don't know how accessible the web interface is, but if it doesn't >> work you should try reading your email from an email program such as >> Outlook or anything else that you like. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Aug 16, 2012, at 12:53 PM, Joshua Lester >> wrote: >> >>> It's a WebMail interface. >>> The interface is called, "Microsoft Exchange." >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Chris Nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] >>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:46 AM >>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>> >>> Hi Joshua, >>> >>> Good. That's what I use. Are you using the Microsoft Outlook program or a >>> Web mail interface? >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >>> Of Joshua Lester >>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 12:26 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>> >>> It's the latest version. >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >>> Chris Nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] >>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:04 AM >>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>> >>> Hi Joshua, >>> >>> If you need any help learning how to use Outlook, please let me know. I use >>> Outlook for my email and love it. >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >>> Of Chun Chao >>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:31 AM >>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>> >>> Joshua: >>> >>> What version of Outlook are you using? (2003, 2007, 2010) Also, have you >>> configured Outlook so that it will synchronize with Gmail when you check >>> your emails? This will make adding recipients much easier. >>> Did you also add your contacts to the Address Book within Outlook? >>> You can add multiple recipients to both the "To" and "CC" fields, just >>> remember to have a semicolon in between. >>> >>> C.C. Alan >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >>> Of Joshua Lester >>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 7:51 AM >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>> >>> Please help me! >>> My student E-mail address has changed, along with our server. >>> They've traded the GMail server for Microsoft Web Exchange, powered by >>> Outlook! >>> I hate Outlook, because it's difficult to send an E-mail to multiple >>> recipiants. >>> Does anyone know why it won't cooperate with me, when I try to E-mail >>> multiple recipiants? >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zerone1683%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c >>> om >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.o >>> nmicrosoft.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c >>> om >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From turtlepower17 at gmail.com Sat Aug 18 18:22:28 2012 From: turtlepower17 at gmail.com (Desiree Oudinot) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 14:22:28 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] My computer's acting wierd! In-Reply-To: <98C90A12-D5B9-4555-8A7C-02D95B153BDA@gmail.com> References: <502eb739.49cb320a.7f4f.00ae@mx.google.com> <98C90A12-D5B9-4555-8A7C-02D95B153BDA@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, No, I meant that if you use caps lock as a modifier key, you have to hit it twice to make it act as a caps lock rather than insert. I was also referring to the fact that most laptops don't have a num pad anymore, so if they do have an insert key, it's buried somewhere on the keyboard, as you pointed out. Although I've never heard of it being another key . Mine is at the top of the keyboard next to the home, end and delete keys. They're all in a row, with the insert key being the first. I just find it easier to use the caps lock key on my laptop because the way the actual insert key is positioned is inconvenient. On 8/18/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > On some laptops, there are keys with double functions. For example, my > laptop has an insert key, but it is also the print screen key. So, when I > want to use the insert key in a JAWS keystroke, I have to press the function > key plus insert plus whatever else is in the keystroke I'm doing. For > example, if I was typing the JAWS links list command, which is insert plus > f7, I would type function plus insert plus f7. Desiree, is this what you're > talking about? > > Chris Nusbaum > > Sent from my iPod > > On Aug 17, 2012, at 7:18 PM, Desiree Oudinot > wrote: > >> Your first problem might be because Jaws is set in laptop mode. If >> you're using a laptop, that would make sense, since most laptops don't >> have an insert key which forces you to use the caps lock as an insert >> key. Try going into your Jaws basic settings and see if the keyboard >> layout is set to desktop or laptop. I have no idea why its function >> would be reversed though, that's a new one on me. >> >> On 8/17/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> Thanks, Arielle! >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >>> Arielle Silverman [arielle71 at gmail.com] >>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 4:36 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My computer's acting wierd! >>> >>> Hi all, >>> Before giving up on your computer or doing anything drastic, have you >>> tried a good old reboot? >>> My dad, who has a master's in computer science and is an IT guy, says >>> that 80% of computer problems can be solved with a simple reboot. >>> I don't know if the number is that high, but I've definitely found >>> that rebooting fixes many quirky issues that seem to come out of >>> nowhere, like this one. >>> Plus, rebooting forces you to get out of all your applications, >>> documents, etc. so if one is acting screwy, your problem should be >>> gone by the time you restart. >>> Best of luck, >>> Arielle >>> >>> On 8/17/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>> Wow! >>>> Mine might be about to break, as well! >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>> ________________________________________ >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf >>>> of >>>> Beth [thebluesisloose at gmail.com] >>>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 4:27 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My computer's acting wierd! >>>> >>>> That's wierd. My computer acted weird for a while and broke. >>>> Beth >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Danielle Sykora >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>> Date sent: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 17:21:09 -0400 >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My computer's acting wierd! >>>> >>>> Hi Joshua, >>>> Wow, that's weird! I have to hit alt with capslock twice to get >>>> it to >>>> work on my computer. >>>> Danielle >>>> >>>> On 8/17/12, Joshua Lester >>>> wrote: >>>> The Caps Lock key is acting wierd! >>>> I have to double tap it, to get it to work. >>>> Also, it's reversed! >>>> If I turn Caps Lock on, the letters will all be lower cased, but >>>> if I turn >>>> it off, the letters are all upper case! >>>> What's going on? >>>> This may be a sign, that I need a new computer! >>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40g >>>> mail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo >>>> se%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com > From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Sat Aug 18 18:51:26 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 18:51:26 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail In-Reply-To: <391507BB-59BA-4143-9AAD-F0CDF073D63E@gmail.com> References: <000301cd7bc4$2828a050$7879e0f0$@com> <003c01cd7bc8$e3bad3c0$ab307b40$@gmail.com> <000301cd7bce$b9aa0820$2cfe1860$@gmail.com> <-7564069964922924230@unknownmsgid> <8716508767197085693@unknownmsgid> , <391507BB-59BA-4143-9AAD-F0CDF073D63E@gmail.com> Message-ID: The GMail server has been phased out, so I'm stuck with this one. Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Lavonya Gardner [hotdancer1416 at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 3:20 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail Go back 2 g mail Sent from my iPad On Aug 18, 2012, at 11:40, Joshua Lester wrote: > Now, to another question. > How can I access my contacts, on this new interface? > When I go to contacts, it won't let me view them, like GMail would. > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ignasi Cambra [ignasicambra at gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 10:29 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail > > Obviously by reading your email I meant both reading and sending...! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 17, 2012, at 3:17 PM, Joshua Lester > wrote: > >> I can read my E-mails just fine, but it's sending one E-mail to multiple recipiants, that's troubling me. >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ignasi Cambra [ignasicambra at gmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 3:02 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >> >> I don't know how accessible the web interface is, but if it doesn't >> work you should try reading your email from an email program such as >> Outlook or anything else that you like. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Aug 16, 2012, at 12:53 PM, Joshua Lester >> wrote: >> >>> It's a WebMail interface. >>> The interface is called, "Microsoft Exchange." >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Chris Nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] >>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:46 AM >>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>> >>> Hi Joshua, >>> >>> Good. That's what I use. Are you using the Microsoft Outlook program or a >>> Web mail interface? >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >>> Of Joshua Lester >>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 12:26 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>> >>> It's the latest version. >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >>> Chris Nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] >>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:04 AM >>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>> >>> Hi Joshua, >>> >>> If you need any help learning how to use Outlook, please let me know. I use >>> Outlook for my email and love it. >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >>> Of Chun Chao >>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:31 AM >>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>> >>> Joshua: >>> >>> What version of Outlook are you using? (2003, 2007, 2010) Also, have you >>> configured Outlook so that it will synchronize with Gmail when you check >>> your emails? This will make adding recipients much easier. >>> Did you also add your contacts to the Address Book within Outlook? >>> You can add multiple recipients to both the "To" and "CC" fields, just >>> remember to have a semicolon in between. >>> >>> C.C. Alan >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >>> Of Joshua Lester >>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 7:51 AM >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>> >>> Please help me! >>> My student E-mail address has changed, along with our server. >>> They've traded the GMail server for Microsoft Web Exchange, powered by >>> Outlook! >>> I hate Outlook, because it's difficult to send an E-mail to multiple >>> recipiants. >>> Does anyone know why it won't cooperate with me, when I try to E-mail >>> multiple recipiants? >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zerone1683%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c >>> om >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.o >>> nmicrosoft.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c >>> om >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Sat Aug 18 21:55:22 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 17:55:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail In-Reply-To: References: <000301cd7bc4$2828a050$7879e0f0$@com> <003c01cd7bc8$e3bad3c0$ab307b40$@gmail.com> <000301cd7bce$b9aa0820$2cfe1860$@gmail.com> <-7564069964922924230@unknownmsgid> <8716508767197085693@unknownmsgid> <391507BB-59BA-4143-9AAD-F0CDF073D63E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6B9A3D2F-0001-4D86-8A33-A28E57C17AF1@gmail.com> That sucks! Y is that? Sent from my iPad On Aug 18, 2012, at 14:51, Joshua Lester wrote: > The GMail server has been phased out, so I'm stuck with this one. > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Lavonya Gardner [hotdancer1416 at gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 3:20 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail > > Go back 2 g mail > > Sent from my iPad > > On Aug 18, 2012, at 11:40, Joshua Lester wrote: > >> Now, to another question. >> How can I access my contacts, on this new interface? >> When I go to contacts, it won't let me view them, like GMail would. >> Thanks, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ignasi Cambra [ignasicambra at gmail.com] >> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 10:29 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >> >> Obviously by reading your email I meant both reading and sending...! >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Aug 17, 2012, at 3:17 PM, Joshua Lester >> wrote: >> >>> I can read my E-mails just fine, but it's sending one E-mail to multiple recipiants, that's troubling me. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ignasi Cambra [ignasicambra at gmail.com] >>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 3:02 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>> >>> I don't know how accessible the web interface is, but if it doesn't >>> work you should try reading your email from an email program such as >>> Outlook or anything else that you like. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Aug 16, 2012, at 12:53 PM, Joshua Lester >>> wrote: >>> >>>> It's a WebMail interface. >>>> The interface is called, "Microsoft Exchange." >>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>> ________________________________________ >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Chris Nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] >>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:46 AM >>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>> >>>> Hi Joshua, >>>> >>>> Good. That's what I use. Are you using the Microsoft Outlook program or a >>>> Web mail interface? >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >>>> Of Joshua Lester >>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 12:26 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>> >>>> It's the latest version. >>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>> ________________________________________ >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >>>> Chris Nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] >>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:04 AM >>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>> >>>> Hi Joshua, >>>> >>>> If you need any help learning how to use Outlook, please let me know. I use >>>> Outlook for my email and love it. >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >>>> Of Chun Chao >>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:31 AM >>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>> >>>> Joshua: >>>> >>>> What version of Outlook are you using? (2003, 2007, 2010) Also, have you >>>> configured Outlook so that it will synchronize with Gmail when you check >>>> your emails? This will make adding recipients much easier. >>>> Did you also add your contacts to the Address Book within Outlook? >>>> You can add multiple recipients to both the "To" and "CC" fields, just >>>> remember to have a semicolon in between. >>>> >>>> C.C. Alan >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >>>> Of Joshua Lester >>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 7:51 AM >>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>> >>>> Please help me! >>>> My student E-mail address has changed, along with our server. >>>> They've traded the GMail server for Microsoft Web Exchange, powered by >>>> Outlook! >>>> I hate Outlook, because it's difficult to send an E-mail to multiple >>>> recipiants. >>>> Does anyone know why it won't cooperate with me, when I try to E-mail >>>> multiple recipiants? >>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zerone1683%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c >>>> om >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.o >>>> nmicrosoft.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c >>>> om >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Sat Aug 18 19:12:32 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 19:12:32 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail In-Reply-To: <6B9A3D2F-0001-4D86-8A33-A28E57C17AF1@gmail.com> References: <000301cd7bc4$2828a050$7879e0f0$@com> <003c01cd7bc8$e3bad3c0$ab307b40$@gmail.com> <000301cd7bce$b9aa0820$2cfe1860$@gmail.com> <-7564069964922924230@unknownmsgid> <8716508767197085693@unknownmsgid> <391507BB-59BA-4143-9AAD-F0CDF073D63E@gmail.com> , <6B9A3D2F-0001-4D86-8A33-A28E57C17AF1@gmail.com> Message-ID: I don't know. Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Lavonya Gardner [hotdancer1416 at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 4:55 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail That sucks! Y is that? Sent from my iPad On Aug 18, 2012, at 14:51, Joshua Lester wrote: > The GMail server has been phased out, so I'm stuck with this one. > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Lavonya Gardner [hotdancer1416 at gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 3:20 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail > > Go back 2 g mail > > Sent from my iPad > > On Aug 18, 2012, at 11:40, Joshua Lester wrote: > >> Now, to another question. >> How can I access my contacts, on this new interface? >> When I go to contacts, it won't let me view them, like GMail would. >> Thanks, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ignasi Cambra [ignasicambra at gmail.com] >> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 10:29 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >> >> Obviously by reading your email I meant both reading and sending...! >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Aug 17, 2012, at 3:17 PM, Joshua Lester >> wrote: >> >>> I can read my E-mails just fine, but it's sending one E-mail to multiple recipiants, that's troubling me. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ignasi Cambra [ignasicambra at gmail.com] >>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 3:02 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>> >>> I don't know how accessible the web interface is, but if it doesn't >>> work you should try reading your email from an email program such as >>> Outlook or anything else that you like. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Aug 16, 2012, at 12:53 PM, Joshua Lester >>> wrote: >>> >>>> It's a WebMail interface. >>>> The interface is called, "Microsoft Exchange." >>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>> ________________________________________ >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Chris Nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] >>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:46 AM >>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>> >>>> Hi Joshua, >>>> >>>> Good. That's what I use. Are you using the Microsoft Outlook program or a >>>> Web mail interface? >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >>>> Of Joshua Lester >>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 12:26 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>> >>>> It's the latest version. >>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>> ________________________________________ >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >>>> Chris Nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] >>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:04 AM >>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>> >>>> Hi Joshua, >>>> >>>> If you need any help learning how to use Outlook, please let me know. I use >>>> Outlook for my email and love it. >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >>>> Of Chun Chao >>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:31 AM >>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>> >>>> Joshua: >>>> >>>> What version of Outlook are you using? (2003, 2007, 2010) Also, have you >>>> configured Outlook so that it will synchronize with Gmail when you check >>>> your emails? This will make adding recipients much easier. >>>> Did you also add your contacts to the Address Book within Outlook? >>>> You can add multiple recipients to both the "To" and "CC" fields, just >>>> remember to have a semicolon in between. >>>> >>>> C.C. Alan >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >>>> Of Joshua Lester >>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 7:51 AM >>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>> >>>> Please help me! >>>> My student E-mail address has changed, along with our server. >>>> They've traded the GMail server for Microsoft Web Exchange, powered by >>>> Outlook! >>>> I hate Outlook, because it's difficult to send an E-mail to multiple >>>> recipiants. >>>> Does anyone know why it won't cooperate with me, when I try to E-mail >>>> multiple recipiants? >>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zerone1683%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c >>>> om >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.o >>>> nmicrosoft.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c >>>> om >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Sat Aug 18 19:29:24 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 13:29:24 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail In-Reply-To: References: <000301cd7bc4$2828a050$7879e0f0$@com> <003c01cd7bc8$e3bad3c0$ab307b40$@gmail.com> <000301cd7bce$b9aa0820$2cfe1860$@gmail.com> <-7564069964922924230@unknownmsgid> <8716508767197085693@unknownmsgid> <391507BB-59BA-4143-9AAD-F0CDF073D63E@gmail.com> <6B9A3D2F-0001-4D86-8A33-A28E57C17AF1@gmail.com> Message-ID: You can set your university email to forward to a Gmail account. It should be somewhere in your account settings on the Webmail server. I do this as do many students and faculty at my school. Arielle On 8/18/12, Joshua Lester wrote: > I don't know. > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of > Lavonya Gardner [hotdancer1416 at gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 4:55 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail > > That sucks! Y is that? > > Sent from my iPad > > On Aug 18, 2012, at 14:51, Joshua Lester > wrote: > >> The GMail server has been phased out, so I'm stuck with this one. >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >> Lavonya Gardner [hotdancer1416 at gmail.com] >> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 3:20 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >> >> Go back 2 g mail >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Aug 18, 2012, at 11:40, Joshua Lester >> wrote: >> >>> Now, to another question. >>> How can I access my contacts, on this new interface? >>> When I go to contacts, it won't let me view them, like GMail would. >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >>> Ignasi Cambra [ignasicambra at gmail.com] >>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 10:29 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>> >>> Obviously by reading your email I meant both reading and sending...! >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Aug 17, 2012, at 3:17 PM, Joshua Lester >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I can read my E-mails just fine, but it's sending one E-mail to multiple >>>> recipiants, that's troubling me. >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>> ________________________________________ >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >>>> Ignasi Cambra [ignasicambra at gmail.com] >>>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 3:02 AM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>> >>>> I don't know how accessible the web interface is, but if it doesn't >>>> work you should try reading your email from an email program such as >>>> Outlook or anything else that you like. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Aug 16, 2012, at 12:53 PM, Joshua Lester >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> It's a WebMail interface. >>>>> The interface is called, "Microsoft Exchange." >>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>> ________________________________________ >>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf >>>>> of Chris Nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] >>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:46 AM >>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>>> >>>>> Hi Joshua, >>>>> >>>>> Good. That's what I use. Are you using the Microsoft Outlook program or >>>>> a >>>>> Web mail interface? >>>>> >>>>> Chris >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>> Behalf >>>>> Of Joshua Lester >>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 12:26 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>>> >>>>> It's the latest version. >>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>> ________________________________________ >>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf >>>>> of >>>>> Chris Nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] >>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:04 AM >>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>>> >>>>> Hi Joshua, >>>>> >>>>> If you need any help learning how to use Outlook, please let me know. I >>>>> use >>>>> Outlook for my email and love it. >>>>> >>>>> Chris >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>> Behalf >>>>> Of Chun Chao >>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:31 AM >>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>>> >>>>> Joshua: >>>>> >>>>> What version of Outlook are you using? (2003, 2007, 2010) Also, have >>>>> you >>>>> configured Outlook so that it will synchronize with Gmail when you >>>>> check >>>>> your emails? This will make adding recipients much easier. >>>>> Did you also add your contacts to the Address Book within Outlook? >>>>> You can add multiple recipients to both the "To" and "CC" fields, just >>>>> remember to have a semicolon in between. >>>>> >>>>> C.C. Alan >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>> Behalf >>>>> Of Joshua Lester >>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 7:51 AM >>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>>> >>>>> Please help me! >>>>> My student E-mail address has changed, along with our server. >>>>> They've traded the GMail server for Microsoft Web Exchange, powered by >>>>> Outlook! >>>>> I hate Outlook, because it's difficult to send an E-mail to multiple >>>>> recipiants. >>>>> Does anyone know why it won't cooperate with me, when I try to E-mail >>>>> multiple recipiants? >>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zerone1683%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c >>>>> om >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.o >>>>> nmicrosoft.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c >>>>> om >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at 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_______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Sat Aug 18 19:39:29 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 19:39:29 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail In-Reply-To: References: <000301cd7bc4$2828a050$7879e0f0$@com> <003c01cd7bc8$e3bad3c0$ab307b40$@gmail.com> <000301cd7bce$b9aa0820$2cfe1860$@gmail.com> <-7564069964922924230@unknownmsgid> <8716508767197085693@unknownmsgid> <391507BB-59BA-4143-9AAD-F0CDF073D63E@gmail.com> <6B9A3D2F-0001-4D86-8A33-A28E57C17AF1@gmail.com> , Message-ID: I'll need assistance starting my own GMail account, due to that captcha, since I can't get Web Vissum to work. Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Arielle Silverman [arielle71 at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 2:29 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail You can set your university email to forward to a Gmail account. It should be somewhere in your account settings on the Webmail server. I do this as do many students and faculty at my school. Arielle On 8/18/12, Joshua Lester wrote: > I don't know. > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of > Lavonya Gardner [hotdancer1416 at gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 4:55 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail > > That sucks! Y is that? > > Sent from my iPad > > On Aug 18, 2012, at 14:51, Joshua Lester > wrote: > >> The GMail server has been phased out, so I'm stuck with this one. >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >> Lavonya Gardner [hotdancer1416 at gmail.com] >> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 3:20 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >> >> Go back 2 g mail >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Aug 18, 2012, at 11:40, Joshua Lester >> wrote: >> >>> Now, to another question. >>> How can I access my contacts, on this new interface? >>> When I go to contacts, it won't let me view them, like GMail would. >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >>> Ignasi Cambra [ignasicambra at gmail.com] >>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 10:29 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>> >>> Obviously by reading your email I meant both reading and sending...! >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Aug 17, 2012, at 3:17 PM, Joshua Lester >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I can read my E-mails just fine, but it's sending one E-mail to multiple >>>> recipiants, that's troubling me. >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>> ________________________________________ >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >>>> Ignasi Cambra [ignasicambra at gmail.com] >>>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 3:02 AM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>> >>>> I don't know how accessible the web interface is, but if it doesn't >>>> work you should try reading your email from an email program such as >>>> Outlook or anything else that you like. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Aug 16, 2012, at 12:53 PM, Joshua Lester >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> It's a WebMail interface. >>>>> The interface is called, "Microsoft Exchange." >>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>> ________________________________________ >>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf >>>>> of Chris Nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] >>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:46 AM >>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>>> >>>>> Hi Joshua, >>>>> >>>>> Good. That's what I use. Are you using the Microsoft Outlook program or >>>>> a >>>>> Web mail interface? >>>>> >>>>> Chris >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>> Behalf >>>>> Of Joshua Lester >>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 12:26 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>>> >>>>> It's the latest version. >>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>> ________________________________________ >>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf >>>>> of >>>>> Chris Nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] >>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:04 AM >>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>>> >>>>> Hi Joshua, >>>>> >>>>> If you need any help learning how to use Outlook, please let me know. I >>>>> use >>>>> Outlook for my email and love it. >>>>> >>>>> Chris >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>> Behalf >>>>> Of Chun Chao >>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:31 AM >>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>>> >>>>> Joshua: >>>>> >>>>> What version of Outlook are you using? (2003, 2007, 2010) Also, have >>>>> you >>>>> configured Outlook so that it will synchronize with Gmail when you >>>>> check >>>>> your emails? This will make adding recipients much easier. >>>>> Did you also add your contacts to the Address Book within Outlook? >>>>> You can add multiple recipients to both the "To" and "CC" fields, just >>>>> remember to have a semicolon in between. >>>>> >>>>> C.C. Alan >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>> Behalf >>>>> Of Joshua Lester >>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 7:51 AM >>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>>> >>>>> Please help me! >>>>> My student E-mail address has changed, along with our server. >>>>> They've traded the GMail server for Microsoft Web Exchange, powered by >>>>> Outlook! >>>>> I hate Outlook, because it's difficult to send an E-mail to multiple >>>>> recipiants. >>>>> Does anyone know why it won't cooperate with me, when I try to E-mail >>>>> multiple recipiants? >>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> 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unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c >>>>> om >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at 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2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 13:41:35 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail In-Reply-To: References: <000301cd7bc4$2828a050$7879e0f0$@com> <003c01cd7bc8$e3bad3c0$ab307b40$@gmail.com> <000301cd7bce$b9aa0820$2cfe1860$@gmail.com> <-7564069964922924230@unknownmsgid> <8716508767197085693@unknownmsgid> <391507BB-59BA-4143-9AAD-F0CDF073D63E@gmail.com> <6B9A3D2F-0001-4D86-8A33-A28E57C17AF1@gmail.com> Message-ID: Gmail doesn't have an audio captia anymore? I'm pretty sure they did when I got my account. It was a little hard to hear, though, if I remember correctly. Arielle On 8/18/12, Joshua Lester wrote: > I'll need assistance starting my own GMail account, due to that captcha, > since I can't get Web Vissum to work. > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of > Arielle Silverman [arielle71 at gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 2:29 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail > > You can set your university email to forward to a Gmail account. It > should be somewhere in your account settings on the Webmail server. > I do this as do many students and faculty at my school. > Arielle > > On 8/18/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >> I don't know. >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >> Lavonya Gardner [hotdancer1416 at gmail.com] >> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 4:55 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >> >> That sucks! Y is that? >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Aug 18, 2012, at 14:51, Joshua Lester >> wrote: >> >>> The GMail server has been phased out, so I'm stuck with this one. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >>> Lavonya Gardner [hotdancer1416 at gmail.com] >>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 3:20 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>> >>> Go back 2 g mail >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Aug 18, 2012, at 11:40, Joshua Lester >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Now, to another question. >>>> How can I access my contacts, on this new interface? >>>> When I go to contacts, it won't let me view them, like GMail would. >>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>> ________________________________________ >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf >>>> of >>>> Ignasi Cambra [ignasicambra at gmail.com] >>>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 10:29 AM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>> >>>> Obviously by reading your email I meant both reading and sending...! >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Aug 17, 2012, at 3:17 PM, Joshua Lester >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I can read my E-mails just fine, but it's sending one E-mail to >>>>> multiple >>>>> recipiants, that's troubling me. >>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>> ________________________________________ >>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf >>>>> of >>>>> Ignasi Cambra [ignasicambra at gmail.com] >>>>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 3:02 AM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>>> >>>>> I don't know how accessible the web interface is, but if it doesn't >>>>> work you should try reading your email from an email program such as >>>>> Outlook or anything else that you like. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 16, 2012, at 12:53 PM, Joshua Lester >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> It's a WebMail interface. >>>>>> The interface is called, "Microsoft Exchange." >>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>> ________________________________________ >>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf >>>>>> of Chris Nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:46 AM >>>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Joshua, >>>>>> >>>>>> Good. That's what I use. Are you using the Microsoft Outlook program >>>>>> or >>>>>> a >>>>>> Web mail interface? >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>>> Behalf >>>>>> Of Joshua Lester >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 12:26 PM >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>>>> >>>>>> It's the latest version. >>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>> ________________________________________ >>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf >>>>>> of >>>>>> Chris Nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:04 AM >>>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Joshua, >>>>>> >>>>>> If you need any help learning how to use Outlook, please let me know. >>>>>> I >>>>>> use >>>>>> Outlook for my email and love it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>>> Behalf >>>>>> Of Chun Chao >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:31 AM >>>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>>>> >>>>>> Joshua: >>>>>> >>>>>> What version of Outlook are you using? (2003, 2007, 2010) Also, have >>>>>> you >>>>>> configured Outlook so that it will synchronize with Gmail when you >>>>>> check >>>>>> your emails? This will make adding recipients much easier. >>>>>> Did you also add your contacts to the Address Book within Outlook? >>>>>> You can add multiple recipients to both the "To" and "CC" fields, >>>>>> just >>>>>> remember to have a semicolon in between. >>>>>> >>>>>> C.C. Alan >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>>> Behalf >>>>>> Of Joshua Lester >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 7:51 AM >>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>>>> >>>>>> Please help me! >>>>>> My student E-mail address has changed, along with our server. >>>>>> They've traded the GMail server for Microsoft Web Exchange, powered >>>>>> by >>>>>> Outlook! >>>>>> I hate Outlook, because it's difficult to send an E-mail to multiple >>>>>> recipiants. >>>>>> Does anyone know why it won't cooperate with me, when I try to E-mail >>>>>> multiple recipiants? >>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> 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_______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> 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get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Sat Aug 18 19:44:19 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 19:44:19 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail In-Reply-To: References: <000301cd7bc4$2828a050$7879e0f0$@com> <003c01cd7bc8$e3bad3c0$ab307b40$@gmail.com> <000301cd7bce$b9aa0820$2cfe1860$@gmail.com> <-7564069964922924230@unknownmsgid> <8716508767197085693@unknownmsgid> <391507BB-59BA-4143-9AAD-F0CDF073D63E@gmail.com> <6B9A3D2F-0001-4D86-8A33-A28E57C17AF1@gmail.com> , Message-ID: I'm having trouble getting it to play. Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Arielle Silverman [arielle71 at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 2:41 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail Gmail doesn't have an audio captia anymore? I'm pretty sure they did when I got my account. It was a little hard to hear, though, if I remember correctly. Arielle On 8/18/12, Joshua Lester wrote: > I'll need assistance starting my own GMail account, due to that captcha, > since I can't get Web Vissum to work. > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of > Arielle Silverman [arielle71 at gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 2:29 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail > > You can set your university email to forward to a Gmail account. It > should be somewhere in your account settings on the Webmail server. > I do this as do many students and faculty at my school. > Arielle > > On 8/18/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >> I don't know. >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >> Lavonya Gardner [hotdancer1416 at gmail.com] >> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 4:55 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >> >> That sucks! Y is that? >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Aug 18, 2012, at 14:51, Joshua Lester >> wrote: >> >>> The GMail server has been phased out, so I'm stuck with this one. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >>> Lavonya Gardner [hotdancer1416 at gmail.com] >>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 3:20 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>> >>> Go back 2 g mail >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Aug 18, 2012, at 11:40, Joshua Lester >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Now, to another question. >>>> How can I access my contacts, on this new interface? >>>> When I go to contacts, it won't let me view them, like GMail would. >>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>> ________________________________________ >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf >>>> of >>>> Ignasi Cambra [ignasicambra at gmail.com] >>>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 10:29 AM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>> >>>> Obviously by reading your email I meant both reading and sending...! >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Aug 17, 2012, at 3:17 PM, Joshua Lester >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I can read my E-mails just fine, but it's sending one E-mail to >>>>> multiple >>>>> recipiants, that's troubling me. >>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>> ________________________________________ >>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf >>>>> of >>>>> Ignasi Cambra [ignasicambra at gmail.com] >>>>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 3:02 AM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>>> >>>>> I don't know how accessible the web interface is, but if it doesn't >>>>> work you should try reading your email from an email program such as >>>>> Outlook or anything else that you like. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 16, 2012, at 12:53 PM, Joshua Lester >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> It's a WebMail interface. >>>>>> The interface is called, "Microsoft Exchange." >>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>> ________________________________________ >>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf >>>>>> of Chris Nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:46 AM >>>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Joshua, >>>>>> >>>>>> Good. That's what I use. Are you using the Microsoft Outlook program >>>>>> or >>>>>> a >>>>>> Web mail interface? >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>>> Behalf >>>>>> Of Joshua Lester >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 12:26 PM >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>>>> >>>>>> It's the latest version. >>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>> ________________________________________ >>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf >>>>>> of >>>>>> Chris Nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:04 AM >>>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Joshua, >>>>>> >>>>>> If you need any help learning how to use Outlook, please let me know. >>>>>> I >>>>>> use >>>>>> Outlook for my email and love it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>>> Behalf >>>>>> Of Chun Chao >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:31 AM >>>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>>>> >>>>>> Joshua: >>>>>> >>>>>> What version of Outlook are you using? (2003, 2007, 2010) Also, have >>>>>> you >>>>>> configured Outlook so that it will synchronize with Gmail when you >>>>>> check >>>>>> your emails? This will make adding recipients much easier. >>>>>> Did you also add your contacts to the Address Book within Outlook? >>>>>> You can add multiple recipients to both the "To" and "CC" fields, >>>>>> just >>>>>> remember to have a semicolon in between. >>>>>> >>>>>> C.C. Alan >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>>> Behalf >>>>>> Of Joshua Lester >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 7:51 AM >>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>>>> >>>>>> Please help me! >>>>>> My student E-mail address has changed, along with our server. >>>>>> They've traded the GMail server for Microsoft Web Exchange, powered >>>>>> by >>>>>> Outlook! >>>>>> I hate Outlook, because it's difficult to send an E-mail to multiple >>>>>> recipiants. >>>>>> Does anyone know why it won't cooperate with me, when I try to E-mail >>>>>> multiple recipiants? >>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> 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_______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> 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get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Sat Aug 18 22:58:59 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 18:58:59 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail In-Reply-To: References: <000301cd7bc4$2828a050$7879e0f0$@com> <003c01cd7bc8$e3bad3c0$ab307b40$@gmail.com> <000301cd7bce$b9aa0820$2cfe1860$@gmail.com> <-7564069964922924230@unknownmsgid> <8716508767197085693@unknownmsgid> <391507BB-59BA-4143-9AAD-F0CDF073D63E@gmail.com> <6B9A3D2F-0001-4D86-8A33-A28E57C17AF1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <62B7ACD6-1D02-4347-B0CD-A2F2F919D102@gmail.com> Iihate capcha! That iS y my sister sets al of my emails up 4 me. Sent from my iPad On Aug 18, 2012, at 15:29, Arielle Silverman wrote: > You can set your university email to forward to a Gmail account. It > should be somewhere in your account settings on the Webmail server. > I do this as do many students and faculty at my school. > Arielle > > On 8/18/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >> I don't know. >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >> Lavonya Gardner [hotdancer1416 at gmail.com] >> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 4:55 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >> >> That sucks! Y is that? >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Aug 18, 2012, at 14:51, Joshua Lester >> wrote: >> >>> The GMail server has been phased out, so I'm stuck with this one. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >>> Lavonya Gardner [hotdancer1416 at gmail.com] >>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 3:20 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>> >>> Go back 2 g mail >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Aug 18, 2012, at 11:40, Joshua Lester >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Now, to another question. >>>> How can I access my contacts, on this new interface? >>>> When I go to contacts, it won't let me view them, like GMail would. >>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>> ________________________________________ >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >>>> Ignasi Cambra [ignasicambra at gmail.com] >>>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 10:29 AM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>> >>>> Obviously by reading your email I meant both reading and sending...! >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Aug 17, 2012, at 3:17 PM, Joshua Lester >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I can read my E-mails just fine, but it's sending one E-mail to multiple >>>>> recipiants, that's troubling me. >>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>> ________________________________________ >>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >>>>> Ignasi Cambra [ignasicambra at gmail.com] >>>>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 3:02 AM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>>> >>>>> I don't know how accessible the web interface is, but if it doesn't >>>>> work you should try reading your email from an email program such as >>>>> Outlook or anything else that you like. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 16, 2012, at 12:53 PM, Joshua Lester >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> It's a WebMail interface. >>>>>> The interface is called, "Microsoft Exchange." >>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>> ________________________________________ >>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf >>>>>> of Chris Nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:46 AM >>>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Joshua, >>>>>> >>>>>> Good. That's what I use. Are you using the Microsoft Outlook program or >>>>>> a >>>>>> Web mail interface? >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>>> Behalf >>>>>> Of Joshua Lester >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 12:26 PM >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>>>> >>>>>> It's the latest version. >>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>> ________________________________________ >>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf >>>>>> of >>>>>> Chris Nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:04 AM >>>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Joshua, >>>>>> >>>>>> If you need any help learning how to use Outlook, please let me know. I >>>>>> use >>>>>> Outlook for my email and love it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>>> Behalf >>>>>> Of Chun Chao >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:31 AM >>>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>>>> >>>>>> Joshua: >>>>>> >>>>>> What version of Outlook are you using? (2003, 2007, 2010) Also, have >>>>>> you >>>>>> configured Outlook so that it will synchronize with Gmail when you >>>>>> check >>>>>> your emails? This will make adding recipients much easier. >>>>>> Did you also add your contacts to the Address Book within Outlook? >>>>>> You can add multiple recipients to both the "To" and "CC" fields, just >>>>>> remember to have a semicolon in between. >>>>>> >>>>>> C.C. Alan >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>>> Behalf >>>>>> Of Joshua Lester >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 7:51 AM >>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>>>> >>>>>> Please help me! >>>>>> My student E-mail address has changed, along with our server. >>>>>> They've traded the GMail server for Microsoft Web Exchange, powered by >>>>>> Outlook! >>>>>> I hate Outlook, because it's difficult to send an E-mail to multiple >>>>>> recipiants. >>>>>> Does anyone know why it won't cooperate with me, when I try to E-mail >>>>>> multiple recipiants? >>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> 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get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From joshkart12 at gmail.com Sat Aug 18 20:02:32 2012 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (josh gregory) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 16:02:32 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail In-Reply-To: <000701cd7c1c$4f0e7b10$ed2b7130$@gmail.com> References: <000301cd7bc4$2828a050$7879e0f0$@com> <003c01cd7bc8$e3bad3c0$ab307b40$@gmail.com> <000301cd7bce$b9aa0820$2cfe1860$@gmail.com> <000701cd7c1c$4f0e7b10$ed2b7130$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Unless you screw up and change the blind thing like I did, lol. Yeah it gives more options but is less accessible. Now to figure how to change it back without sighted help if I can do that. On 8/16/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi Joshua, > > Oh, OK. This is the same interface our school system uses for our teachers' > emails. My TVI has logged into her email using the Microsoft Exchange > Webmail interface a few times with JAWS running, and to me it seems pretty > accessible and very much like the Microsoft Outlook program, although I > haven't personally played with it much. > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 12:50 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail > > It's a WebMail interface. > The interface is called, "Microsoft Exchange." > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of > Chris Nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:46 AM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail > > Hi Joshua, > > Good. That's what I use. Are you using the Microsoft Outlook program or a > Web mail interface? > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 12:26 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail > > It's the latest version. > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of > Chris Nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:04 AM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail > > Hi Joshua, > > If you need any help learning how to use Outlook, please let me know. I use > Outlook for my email and love it. > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Chun Chao > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:31 AM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail > > Joshua: > > What version of Outlook are you using? (2003, 2007, 2010) Also, have you > configured Outlook so that it will synchronize with Gmail when you check > your emails? This will make adding recipients much easier. > Did you also add your contacts to the Address Book within Outlook? > You can add multiple recipients to both the "To" and "CC" fields, just > remember to have a semicolon in between. > > C.C. Alan > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 7:51 AM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail > > Please help me! > My student E-mail address has changed, along with our server. > They've traded the GMail server for Microsoft Web Exchange, powered by > Outlook! > I hate Outlook, because it's difficult to send an E-mail to multiple > recipiants. > Does anyone know why it won't cooperate with me, when I try to E-mail > multiple recipiants? > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zerone1683%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.o > nmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.o > nmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com > -- Ways to Connect with me: facebook.com/evercuriousmasteryodo twitter.com/joshg93 Skype: joshgregory93 FaceTime, iMessage and iChat: joshkart12 at gmail.com From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Sat Aug 18 23:09:14 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 19:09:14 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail In-Reply-To: References: <000301cd7bc4$2828a050$7879e0f0$@com> <003c01cd7bc8$e3bad3c0$ab307b40$@gmail.com> <000301cd7bce$b9aa0820$2cfe1860$@gmail.com> <000701cd7c1c$4f0e7b10$ed2b7130$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <818ADE30-02BB-4AAD-960C-28FF326E1D0B@gmail.com> Oh, wow. L O L Sent from my iPad On Aug 18, 2012, at 16:02, josh gregory wrote: > Unless you screw up and change the blind thing like I did, lol. Yeah > it gives more options but is less accessible. Now to figure how to > change it back without sighted help if I can do that. > > On 8/16/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> Hi Joshua, >> >> Oh, OK. This is the same interface our school system uses for our teachers' >> emails. My TVI has logged into her email using the Microsoft Exchange >> Webmail interface a few times with JAWS running, and to me it seems pretty >> accessible and very much like the Microsoft Outlook program, although I >> haven't personally played with it much. >> >> Chris >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Joshua Lester >> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 12:50 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >> >> It's a WebMail interface. >> The interface is called, "Microsoft Exchange." >> Thanks, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >> Chris Nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] >> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:46 AM >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >> >> Hi Joshua, >> >> Good. That's what I use. Are you using the Microsoft Outlook program or a >> Web mail interface? >> >> Chris >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Joshua Lester >> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 12:26 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >> >> It's the latest version. >> Thanks, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >> Chris Nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] >> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:04 AM >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >> >> Hi Joshua, >> >> If you need any help learning how to use Outlook, please let me know. I use >> Outlook for my email and love it. >> >> Chris >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Chun Chao >> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:31 AM >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >> >> Joshua: >> >> What version of Outlook are you using? (2003, 2007, 2010) Also, have you >> configured Outlook so that it will synchronize with Gmail when you check >> your emails? This will make adding recipients much easier. >> Did you also add your contacts to the Address Book within Outlook? >> You can add multiple recipients to both the "To" and "CC" fields, just >> remember to have a semicolon in between. >> >> C.C. Alan >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Joshua Lester >> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 7:51 AM >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >> >> Please help me! >> My student E-mail address has changed, along with our server. >> They've traded the GMail server for Microsoft Web Exchange, powered by >> Outlook! >> I hate Outlook, because it's difficult to send an E-mail to multiple >> recipiants. >> Does anyone know why it won't cooperate with me, when I try to E-mail >> multiple recipiants? >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zerone1683%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c >> om >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.o >> nmicrosoft.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c >> om >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.o >> nmicrosoft.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c >> om >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Ways to Connect with me: > > facebook.com/evercuriousmasteryodo > > twitter.com/joshg93 > Skype: joshgregory93 > FaceTime, iMessage and iChat: joshkart12 at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Sat Aug 18 20:19:58 2012 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Baccchus) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 16:19:58 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Helpful College Tips Message-ID: <502ff901.2586ec0a.16b3.5587@mx.google.com> Hi everyone I'd like to provide some helpful tips for the college students. Register for classes before the beginning of each semester. Provide the appropriate documentation and necessary paperwork to the Office for students with disabilities. Find out what services they will be able to provide for you. Discuss the accomoodations you'll need for your classes. Submit assignments to your professors in a timely manner. These tips have helped me to have a successful college experience thus far. Feel free to email me offlist if you have any other questions. From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Sat Aug 18 20:24:58 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 20:24:58 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Helpful College Tips In-Reply-To: <502ff901.2586ec0a.16b3.5587@mx.google.com> References: <502ff901.2586ec0a.16b3.5587@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Great tips! Thanks, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Roanna Baccchus [rbacchus228 at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 3:19 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Helpful College Tips Hi everyone I'd like to provide some helpful tips for the college students. Register for classes before the beginning of each semester. Provide the appropriate documentation and necessary paperwork to the Office for students with disabilities. Find out what services they will be able to provide for you. Discuss the accomoodations you'll need for your classes. Submit assignments to your professors in a timely manner. These tips have helped me to have a successful college experience thus far. Feel free to email me offlist if you have any other questions. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Aug 19 01:32:02 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 21:32:02 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] advocating with rehab Message-ID: Hi all, I have requested that vr purchase some items and also to provide me some services. This is mainly computer training in the office suite so I can learn about excel and powerpoint. Well, they did not give me enough training; we just get started, and then its over; I’m talking a handful of lessons only. I think having several like 7 or 8 would be more reasonable. I feel like I’ve hit a brick wall with them. I also think they should provide guidance in job support such as job search strategies, helping you find employees to job shadow, conduct informational interviews, help you job search since as you know with all those forms and boxes it can be jaws unfriendly, and help with mock interviews. I’m having a meeting with them. My counselor’s supervisor is there to so called discuss my issues. So any tips? How do I advocate? I’m already printing out my counselor’s emails and my own. This indicates I wrote to her and she failed to respond at all or in a timely manner. I’m also bringing a list of questions and concerns to refer to. I will be nervous and likely intimidated and I feel having notes will aid me in staying on track and saying what I need to. I’m also reading over the policy before I go. What else can I do, if anything? Thanks. Ashley From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Sun Aug 19 01:39:12 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 01:39:12 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] advocating with rehab In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wow! You're doing the right things! Just keep up the good work. BTW, if you'd like to discuss this further, feel free to write me off list. Thanks, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Bramlett [bookwormahb at earthlink.net] Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 8:32 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] advocating with rehab Hi all, I have requested that vr purchase some items and also to provide me some services. This is mainly computer training in the office suite so I can learn about excel and powerpoint. Well, they did not give me enough training; we just get started, and then its over; I’m talking a handful of lessons only. I think having several like 7 or 8 would be more reasonable. I feel like I’ve hit a brick wall with them. I also think they should provide guidance in job support such as job search strategies, helping you find employees to job shadow, conduct informational interviews, help you job search since as you know with all those forms and boxes it can be jaws unfriendly, and help with mock interviews. I’m having a meeting with them. My counselor’s supervisor is there to so called discuss my issues. So any tips? How do I advocate? I’m already printing out my counselor’s emails and my own. This indicates I wrote to her and she failed to respond at all or in a timely manner. I’m also bringing a list of questions and concerns to refer to. I will be nervous and likely intimidated and I feel having notes will aid me in staying on track and saying what I need to. I’m also reading over the policy before I go. What else can I do, if anything? Thanks. Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com Sun Aug 19 01:42:55 2012 From: brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com (Brandon Keith Biggs) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 18:42:55 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] advocating with rehab In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2B3694F3EC784DD69A8E28572AD75E51@BrandonsLaptop2> Hello Ashley, You sound like you've got things in hand! Just be confident. If you have a summery of your lessons, you may want to print them out as well and show where you got and tell them where you need to be. Get an exact number and say that at your speed you will take say 8 more lessons to complete the training. I wouldn't talk about the other things quite yet as most people can't deal with more than one thing at a time and the super busy counselors at rehab are no exception. Rehab often supports training centers who help with job interviewing and resume writing rather than providing the services themselves. Rehab is just a big lending agency, not anything that would give any services other than money. Thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs -----Original Message----- From: Ashley Bramlett Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 6:32 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] advocating with rehab Hi all, I have requested that vr purchase some items and also to provide me some services. This is mainly computer training in the office suite so I can learn about excel and powerpoint. Well, they did not give me enough training; we just get started, and then its over; I’m talking a handful of lessons only. I think having several like 7 or 8 would be more reasonable. I feel like I’ve hit a brick wall with them. I also think they should provide guidance in job support such as job search strategies, helping you find employees to job shadow, conduct informational interviews, help you job search since as you know with all those forms and boxes it can be jaws unfriendly, and help with mock interviews. I’m having a meeting with them. My counselor’s supervisor is there to so called discuss my issues. So any tips? How do I advocate? I’m already printing out my counselor’s emails and my own. This indicates I wrote to her and she failed to respond at all or in a timely manner. I’m also bringing a list of questions and concerns to refer to. I will be nervous and likely intimidated and I feel having notes will aid me in staying on track and saying what I need to. I’m also reading over the policy before I go. What else can I do, if anything? Thanks. Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Sun Aug 19 04:50:21 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 00:50:21 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] advocating with rehab In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Print out the demands of your job and show them to your v r counselor Sent from my iPad On Aug 18, 2012, at 21:32, "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: > Hi all, > > I have requested that vr purchase some items and also to provide me some services. This is mainly computer training in the office suite so I can learn about excel and powerpoint. Well, they did not give me enough training; we just get started, and then its over; I’m talking a handful of lessons only. I think having several like 7 or 8 would be more reasonable. > > I feel like I’ve hit a brick wall with them. I also think they should provide guidance in job support such as job search strategies, helping you find employees to job shadow, conduct informational interviews, help you job search since as you know with all those forms and boxes it can be jaws unfriendly, and help with mock interviews. > > I’m having a meeting with them. My counselor’s supervisor is there to so called discuss my issues. So any tips? How do I advocate? I’m already printing out my counselor’s emails and my own. This indicates I wrote to her and she failed to respond at all or in a timely manner. > > I’m also bringing a list of questions and concerns to refer to. I will be nervous and likely intimidated and I feel having notes will aid me in staying on track and saying what I need to. I’m also reading over the policy before I go. What else can I do, if anything? > > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From hope.paulos at gmail.com Sun Aug 19 02:33:17 2012 From: hope.paulos at gmail.com (Hope Paulos) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 22:33:17 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] advocating with rehab In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006001cd7db2$fe71e460$fb55ad20$@gmail.com> If your meeting does not go well, go up the ladder. VR usually has a program that will assist you with advocating. My program is called the Client Advocacy program. Basically if I have an issue I'd call them and they would call the counselor and supervisor and take whatever action is necessary to get you the things you need. You could also switch counselors. Hope -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lavonya Gardner Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 12:50 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] advocating with rehab Print out the demands of your job and show them to your v r counselor Sent from my iPad On Aug 18, 2012, at 21:32, "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: > Hi all, > > I have requested that vr purchase some items and also to provide me some services. This is mainly computer training in the office suite so I can learn about excel and powerpoint. Well, they did not give me enough training; we just get started, and then its over; I’m talking a handful of lessons only. I think having several like 7 or 8 would be more reasonable. > > I feel like I’ve hit a brick wall with them. I also think they should provide guidance in job support such as job search strategies, helping you find employees to job shadow, conduct informational interviews, help you job search since as you know with all those forms and boxes it can be jaws unfriendly, and help with mock interviews. > > I’m having a meeting with them. My counselor’s supervisor is there to so called discuss my issues. So any tips? How do I advocate? I’m already printing out my counselor’s emails and my own. This indicates I wrote to her and she failed to respond at all or in a timely manner. > > I’m also bringing a list of questions and concerns to refer to. I will be nervous and likely intimidated and I feel having notes will aid me in staying on track and saying what I need to. I’m also reading over the policy before I go. What else can I do, if anything? > > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Sun Aug 19 02:39:15 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 02:39:15 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] advocating with rehab In-Reply-To: <006001cd7db2$fe71e460$fb55ad20$@gmail.com> References: , <006001cd7db2$fe71e460$fb55ad20$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Ashley, I'd also see if I qualify for the CAP, (Client Assistance Program,) in case Rehab doesn't cooperate. Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Hope Paulos [hope.paulos at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 9:33 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] advocating with rehab If your meeting does not go well, go up the ladder. VR usually has a program that will assist you with advocating. My program is called the Client Advocacy program. Basically if I have an issue I'd call them and they would call the counselor and supervisor and take whatever action is necessary to get you the things you need. You could also switch counselors. Hope -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lavonya Gardner Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 12:50 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] advocating with rehab Print out the demands of your job and show them to your v r counselor Sent from my iPad On Aug 18, 2012, at 21:32, "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: > Hi all, > > I have requested that vr purchase some items and also to provide me some services. This is mainly computer training in the office suite so I can learn about excel and powerpoint. Well, they did not give me enough training; we just get started, and then its over; I’m talking a handful of lessons only. I think having several like 7 or 8 would be more reasonable. > > I feel like I’ve hit a brick wall with them. I also think they should provide guidance in job support such as job search strategies, helping you find employees to job shadow, conduct informational interviews, help you job search since as you know with all those forms and boxes it can be jaws unfriendly, and help with mock interviews. > > I’m having a meeting with them. My counselor’s supervisor is there to so called discuss my issues. So any tips? How do I advocate? I’m already printing out my counselor’s emails and my own. This indicates I wrote to her and she failed to respond at all or in a timely manner. > > I’m also bringing a list of questions and concerns to refer to. I will be nervous and likely intimidated and I feel having notes will aid me in staying on track and saying what I need to. I’m also reading over the policy before I go. What else can I do, if anything? > > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From gcazares10 at gmail.com Sun Aug 19 05:26:52 2012 From: gcazares10 at gmail.com (Gabe Cazares) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 00:26:52 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Come One, Come All! Message-ID: <000001cd7dcb$3e734ff0$bb59efd0$@com> My Friends, I am excited to report to you that I will be serving as the Chairman of the NABS Fundraising Committee for this year. However, along with the pretty title comes a lot of work that needs to be done, so here's where you can jump into the action. If you've ever been interested in learning how to fundraise, then this committee is for you. If you're energetic, hardworking, and want to help out NABS, than this committee is for you. If you've ever requested a NABS rep, or plan on doing so in the future, then this committee is for you. Come help your national student division raise funds so we can continue being the awesome student division that you have grown accustomed to. If you're interested in joining the committee, or would like more details please feel free to contact me and I'll be more than happy to talk in greater detail with you. I'm looking forward to raking in the mula for NABS with your help this year! Best, ...Gabe Support fair wages for workers with disabilities! (H.R. 3086) www.nfb.org/fairwages Gabriel M. Cazares, 1st Vice President Texas Association of Blind Students - TABS (A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas) www.nfbtx.org/tabs Phone: 713-581-0619 From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Sun Aug 19 17:49:50 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 13:49:50 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] advocating with rehab In-Reply-To: References: <006001cd7db2$fe71e460$fb55ad20$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2D6CA6CB-CCBA-447F-A5DF-19B42325E59A@gmail.com> Good thinking Sent from my iPad On Aug 18, 2012, at 22:39, Joshua Lester wrote: > Ashley, I'd also see if I qualify for the CAP, (Client Assistance Program,) in case Rehab doesn't cooperate. > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Hope Paulos [hope.paulos at gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 9:33 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] advocating with rehab > > If your meeting does not go well, go up the ladder. VR usually has a program that will assist you with advocating. My program is called the Client Advocacy program. Basically if I have an issue I'd call them and they would call the counselor and supervisor and take whatever action is necessary to get you the things you need. You could also switch counselors. > Hope > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lavonya Gardner > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 12:50 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] advocating with rehab > > Print out the demands of your job and show them to your v r counselor > > Sent from my iPad > > On Aug 18, 2012, at 21:32, "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I have requested that vr purchase some items and also to provide me some services. This is mainly computer training in the office suite so I can learn about excel and powerpoint. Well, they did not give me enough training; we just get started, and then its over; I’m talking a handful of lessons only. I think having several like 7 or 8 would be more reasonable. >> >> I feel like I’ve hit a brick wall with them. I also think they should provide guidance in job support such as job search strategies, helping you find employees to job shadow, conduct informational interviews, help you job search since as you know with all those forms and boxes it can be jaws unfriendly, and help with mock interviews. >> >> I’m having a meeting with them. My counselor’s supervisor is there to so called discuss my issues. So any tips? How do I advocate? I’m already printing out my counselor’s emails and my own. This indicates I wrote to her and she failed to respond at all or in a timely manner. >> >> I’m also bringing a list of questions and concerns to refer to. I will be nervous and likely intimidated and I feel having notes will aid me in staying on track and saying what I need to. I’m also reading over the policy before I go. What else can I do, if anything? >> >> Thanks. >> Ashley >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Sun Aug 19 21:14:15 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 17:14:15 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Meeting tonight Message-ID: What is the pass code for h meeting at 7?.thanks Sent from my iPad From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Aug 19 18:29:41 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 14:29:41 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail In-Reply-To: References: <000301cd7bc4$2828a050$7879e0f0$@com> <003c01cd7bc8$e3bad3c0$ab307b40$@gmail.com> <000301cd7bce$b9aa0820$2cfe1860$@gmail.com> <-7564069964922924230@unknownmsgid> <8716508767197085693@unknownmsgid> <391507BB-59BA-4143-9AAD-F0CDF073D63E@gmail.com> <6B9A3D2F-0001-4D86-8A33-A28E57C17AF1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <005501cd7e38$9a17c5d0$ce475170$@gmail.com> Hi Arielle, They do, it's just very hard to understand. Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle Silverman Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 3:42 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail Gmail doesn't have an audio captia anymore? I'm pretty sure they did when I got my account. It was a little hard to hear, though, if I remember correctly. Arielle On 8/18/12, Joshua Lester wrote: > I'll need assistance starting my own GMail account, due to that > captcha, since I can't get Web Vissum to work. > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf > of Arielle Silverman [arielle71 at gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 2:29 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail > > You can set your university email to forward to a Gmail account. It > should be somewhere in your account settings on the Webmail server. > I do this as do many students and faculty at my school. > Arielle > > On 8/18/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >> I don't know. >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf >> of Lavonya Gardner [hotdancer1416 at gmail.com] >> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 4:55 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >> >> That sucks! Y is that? >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Aug 18, 2012, at 14:51, Joshua Lester >> wrote: >> >>> The GMail server has been phased out, so I'm stuck with this one. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on >>> behalf of Lavonya Gardner [hotdancer1416 at gmail.com] >>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 3:20 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>> >>> Go back 2 g mail >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Aug 18, 2012, at 11:40, Joshua Lester >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Now, to another question. >>>> How can I access my contacts, on this new interface? >>>> When I go to contacts, it won't let me view them, like GMail would. >>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>> ________________________________________ >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on >>>> behalf of Ignasi Cambra [ignasicambra at gmail.com] >>>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 10:29 AM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>> >>>> Obviously by reading your email I meant both reading and sending...! >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Aug 17, 2012, at 3:17 PM, Joshua Lester >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I can read my E-mails just fine, but it's sending one E-mail to >>>>> multiple recipiants, that's troubling me. >>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>> ________________________________________ >>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on >>>>> behalf of Ignasi Cambra [ignasicambra at gmail.com] >>>>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 3:02 AM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>>> >>>>> I don't know how accessible the web interface is, but if it >>>>> doesn't work you should try reading your email from an email >>>>> program such as Outlook or anything else that you like. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 16, 2012, at 12:53 PM, Joshua Lester >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> It's a WebMail interface. >>>>>> The interface is called, "Microsoft Exchange." >>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>> ________________________________________ >>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on >>>>>> behalf of Chris Nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:46 AM >>>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Joshua, >>>>>> >>>>>> Good. That's what I use. Are you using the Microsoft Outlook >>>>>> program or a Web mail interface? >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>>> Behalf >>>>>> Of Joshua Lester >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 12:26 PM >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>>>> >>>>>> It's the latest version. >>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>> ________________________________________ >>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf >>>>>> of >>>>>> Chris Nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:04 AM >>>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Joshua, >>>>>> >>>>>> If you need any help learning how to use Outlook, please let me know. >>>>>> I >>>>>> use >>>>>> Outlook for my email and love it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>>> Behalf >>>>>> Of Chun Chao >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:31 AM >>>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>>>> >>>>>> Joshua: >>>>>> >>>>>> What version of Outlook are you using? (2003, 2007, 2010) Also, have >>>>>> you >>>>>> configured Outlook so that it will synchronize with Gmail when you >>>>>> check >>>>>> your emails? This will make adding recipients much easier. >>>>>> Did you also add your contacts to the Address Book within Outlook? >>>>>> You can add multiple recipients to both the "To" and "CC" fields, >>>>>> just >>>>>> remember to have a semicolon in between. >>>>>> >>>>>> C.C. Alan >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>>> Behalf >>>>>> Of Joshua Lester >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 7:51 AM >>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>>>> >>>>>> Please help me! >>>>>> My student E-mail address has changed, along with our server. >>>>>> They've traded the GMail server for Microsoft Web Exchange, powered >>>>>> by >>>>>> Outlook! >>>>>> I hate Outlook, because it's difficult to send an E-mail to multiple >>>>>> recipiants. >>>>>> Does anyone know why it won't cooperate with me, when I try to E-mail >>>>>> multiple recipiants? >>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> 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http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.o nmicrosoft.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.co m >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.o nmicrosoft.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.co m >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.o nmicrosoft.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.o nmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Aug 19 18:37:47 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 14:37:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Meeting tonight In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005901cd7e39$bb770eb0$32652c10$@gmail.com> Hi Lavonya, The phone number is 712-775-7100 and the passcode is 257963. Hope this helps, Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lavonya Gardner Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 5:14 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Meeting tonight What is the pass code for h meeting at 7?.thanks Sent from my iPad _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From ignasicambra at gmail.com Sun Aug 19 18:38:39 2012 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 14:38:39 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail In-Reply-To: References: <000301cd7bc4$2828a050$7879e0f0$@com> <003c01cd7bc8$e3bad3c0$ab307b40$@gmail.com> <000301cd7bce$b9aa0820$2cfe1860$@gmail.com> <-7564069964922924230@unknownmsgid> <8716508767197085693@unknownmsgid> <391507BB-59BA-4143-9AAD-F0CDF073D63E@gmail.com> <6B9A3D2F-0001-4D86-8A33-A28E57C17AF1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8197116434660534121@unknownmsgid> Google has an audio captcha which works very well. You should have no problem creating a gmail account. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 18, 2012, at 3:41 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > I'll need assistance starting my own GMail account, due to that captcha, since I can't get Web Vissum to work. > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Arielle Silverman [arielle71 at gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 2:29 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail > > You can set your university email to forward to a Gmail account. It > should be somewhere in your account settings on the Webmail server. > I do this as do many students and faculty at my school. > Arielle > > On 8/18/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >> I don't know. >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >> Lavonya Gardner [hotdancer1416 at gmail.com] >> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 4:55 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >> >> That sucks! Y is that? >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Aug 18, 2012, at 14:51, Joshua Lester >> wrote: >> >>> The GMail server has been phased out, so I'm stuck with this one. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >>> Lavonya Gardner [hotdancer1416 at gmail.com] >>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 3:20 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>> >>> Go back 2 g mail >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Aug 18, 2012, at 11:40, Joshua Lester >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Now, to another question. >>>> How can I access my contacts, on this new interface? >>>> When I go to contacts, it won't let me view them, like GMail would. >>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>> ________________________________________ >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >>>> Ignasi Cambra [ignasicambra at gmail.com] >>>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 10:29 AM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>> >>>> Obviously by reading your email I meant both reading and sending...! >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Aug 17, 2012, at 3:17 PM, Joshua Lester >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I can read my E-mails just fine, but it's sending one E-mail to multiple >>>>> recipiants, that's troubling me. >>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>> ________________________________________ >>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >>>>> Ignasi Cambra [ignasicambra at gmail.com] >>>>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 3:02 AM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>>> >>>>> I don't know how accessible the web interface is, but if it doesn't >>>>> work you should try reading your email from an email program such as >>>>> Outlook or anything else that you like. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 16, 2012, at 12:53 PM, Joshua Lester >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> It's a WebMail interface. >>>>>> The interface is called, "Microsoft Exchange." >>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>> ________________________________________ >>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf >>>>>> of Chris Nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:46 AM >>>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Joshua, >>>>>> >>>>>> Good. That's what I use. Are you using the Microsoft Outlook program or >>>>>> a >>>>>> Web mail interface? >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>>> Behalf >>>>>> Of Joshua Lester >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 12:26 PM >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>>>> >>>>>> It's the latest version. >>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>> ________________________________________ >>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf >>>>>> of >>>>>> Chris Nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:04 AM >>>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Joshua, >>>>>> >>>>>> If you need any help learning how to use Outlook, please let me know. I >>>>>> use >>>>>> Outlook for my email and love it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>>> Behalf >>>>>> Of Chun Chao >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:31 AM >>>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>>>> >>>>>> Joshua: >>>>>> >>>>>> What version of Outlook are you using? (2003, 2007, 2010) Also, have >>>>>> you >>>>>> configured Outlook so that it will synchronize with Gmail when you >>>>>> check >>>>>> your emails? This will make adding recipients much easier. >>>>>> Did you also add your contacts to the Address Book within Outlook? >>>>>> You can add multiple recipients to both the "To" and "CC" fields, just >>>>>> remember to have a semicolon in between. >>>>>> >>>>>> C.C. Alan >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>>> Behalf >>>>>> Of Joshua Lester >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 7:51 AM >>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>>>> >>>>>> Please help me! >>>>>> My student E-mail address has changed, along with our server. >>>>>> They've traded the GMail server for Microsoft Web Exchange, powered by >>>>>> Outlook! >>>>>> I hate Outlook, because it's difficult to send an E-mail to multiple >>>>>> recipiants. >>>>>> Does anyone know why it won't cooperate with me, when I try to E-mail >>>>>> multiple recipiants? >>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> 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get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Sun Aug 19 22:24:34 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 18:24:34 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Meeting tonight In-Reply-To: <005901cd7e39$bb770eb0$32652c10$@gmail.com> References: <005901cd7e39$bb770eb0$32652c10$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <707F7508-61C7-47CF-AA64-3ED9E45081ED@gmail.com> Hi, Cris Yes. Thanks Cris Sent from my iPad On Aug 19, 2012, at 14:37, "Chris Nusbaum" wrote: > Hi Lavonya, > > The phone number is 712-775-7100 and the passcode is 257963. > > Hope this helps, > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Lavonya Gardner > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 5:14 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Meeting tonight > > What is the pass code for h meeting at 7?.thanks > > Sent from my iPad > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Sun Aug 19 22:27:56 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 18:27:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Meeting tonight In-Reply-To: <005901cd7e39$bb770eb0$32652c10$@gmail.com> References: <005901cd7e39$bb770eb0$32652c10$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E0D6F2A-F83C-4FC3-8018-33E0BD5A41E5@gmail.com> R u apart of the Baltimoo chapter? I am. Sent from my iPad On Aug 19, 2012, at 14:37, "Chris Nusbaum" wrote: > Hi Lavonya, > > The phone number is 712-775-7100 and the passcode is 257963. > > Hope this helps, > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Lavonya Gardner > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 5:14 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Meeting tonight > > What is the pass code for h meeting at 7?.thanks > > Sent from my iPad > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From daviddod at buffalo.edu Sun Aug 19 19:26:38 2012 From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 15:26:38 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Meeting tonight In-Reply-To: <707F7508-61C7-47CF-AA64-3ED9E45081ED@gmail.com> References: <005901cd7e39$bb770eb0$32652c10$@gmail.com> <707F7508-61C7-47CF-AA64-3ED9E45081ED@gmail.com> Message-ID: Will there be minutes from tonight's meeting? I'm going to miss it and really wanted to be on the call. :( David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 6:24 PM, Lavonya Gardner wrote: > Hi, Cris > Yes. Thanks Cris > > Sent from my iPad > > On Aug 19, 2012, at 14:37, "Chris Nusbaum" > wrote: > > > Hi Lavonya, > > > > The phone number is 712-775-7100 and the passcode is 257963. > > > > Hope this helps, > > > > Chris > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > > Of Lavonya Gardner > > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 5:14 PM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: [nabs-l] Meeting tonight > > > > What is the pass code for h meeting at 7?.thanks > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > > om > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu > From daviddod at buffalo.edu Sun Aug 19 19:29:48 2012 From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 15:29:48 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Meeting tonight In-Reply-To: <4E0D6F2A-F83C-4FC3-8018-33E0BD5A41E5@gmail.com> References: <005901cd7e39$bb770eb0$32652c10$@gmail.com> <4E0D6F2A-F83C-4FC3-8018-33E0BD5A41E5@gmail.com> Message-ID: Oh, no. I thought this was a general call for everyone. Am I mistaken? Thanks. David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Lavonya Gardner wrote: > R u apart of the Baltimoo chapter? I am. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Aug 19, 2012, at 14:37, "Chris Nusbaum" > wrote: > > > Hi Lavonya, > > > > The phone number is 712-775-7100 and the passcode is 257963. > > > > Hope this helps, > > > > Chris > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > > Of Lavonya Gardner > > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 5:14 PM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: [nabs-l] Meeting tonight > > > > What is the pass code for h meeting at 7?.thanks > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > > om > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Aug 19 19:31:59 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 15:31:59 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] My computer's acting wierd! In-Reply-To: References: <502eb739.49cb320a.7f4f.00ae@mx.google.com> , <98C90A12-D5B9-4555-8A7C-02D95B153BDA@gmail.com> Message-ID: <006c01cd7e41$4e175b60$ea461220$@gmail.com> Hi Joshua, It's an HP. Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 11:23 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My computer's acting wierd! That's interesting! What brand of laptop is it? I'm looking into getting something else, that will last longer than this Acer. Thanks, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Chris Nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 8:36 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My computer's acting wierd! On some laptops, there are keys with double functions. For example, my laptop has an insert key, but it is also the print screen key. So, when I want to use the insert key in a JAWS keystroke, I have to press the function key plus insert plus whatever else is in the keystroke I'm doing. For example, if I was typing the JAWS links list command, which is insert plus f7, I would type function plus insert plus f7. Desiree, is this what you're talking about? Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPod On Aug 17, 2012, at 7:18 PM, Desiree Oudinot wrote: > Your first problem might be because Jaws is set in laptop mode. If > you're using a laptop, that would make sense, since most laptops don't > have an insert key which forces you to use the caps lock as an insert > key. Try going into your Jaws basic settings and see if the keyboard > layout is set to desktop or laptop. I have no idea why its function > would be reversed though, that's a new one on me. > > On 8/17/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >> Thanks, Arielle! >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf >> of Arielle Silverman [arielle71 at gmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 4:36 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My computer's acting wierd! >> >> Hi all, >> Before giving up on your computer or doing anything drastic, have you >> tried a good old reboot? >> My dad, who has a master's in computer science and is an IT guy, says >> that 80% of computer problems can be solved with a simple reboot. >> I don't know if the number is that high, but I've definitely found >> that rebooting fixes many quirky issues that seem to come out of >> nowhere, like this one. >> Plus, rebooting forces you to get out of all your applications, >> documents, etc. so if one is acting screwy, your problem should be >> gone by the time you restart. >> Best of luck, >> Arielle >> >> On 8/17/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> Wow! >>> Mine might be about to break, as well! >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on >>> behalf of Beth [thebluesisloose at gmail.com] >>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 4:27 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My computer's acting wierd! >>> >>> That's wierd. My computer acted weird for a while and broke. >>> Beth >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Danielle Sykora >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My computer's acting wierd! >>> >>> Hi Joshua, >>> Wow, that's weird! I have to hit alt with capslock twice to get it >>> to work on my computer. >>> Danielle >>> >>> On 8/17/12, Joshua Lester >>> wrote: >>> The Caps Lock key is acting wierd! >>> I have to double tap it, to get it to work. >>> Also, it's reversed! >>> If I turn Caps Lock on, the letters will all be lower cased, but if >>> I turn it off, the letters are all upper case! >>> What's going on? >>> This may be a sign, that I need a new computer! >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40g >>> mail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo >>> se%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pc >>> cuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmai >>> l.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pcc >> uaedu.onmicrosoft.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40g >> mail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40g > mail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.o nmicrosoft.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Aug 19 19:40:26 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 15:40:26 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Meeting tonight In-Reply-To: References: <005901cd7e39$bb770eb0$32652c10$@gmail.com> <4E0D6F2A-F83C-4FC3-8018-33E0BD5A41E5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <007c01cd7e42$7c5a81e0$750f85a0$@gmail.com> Hi David, It is a general NABS membership call, for all NABS members. Lavonya was asking if I was a member of the Greater Baltimore chapter (NFB of Maryland,) which I am. Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Dodge Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 3:30 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Meeting tonight Oh, no. I thought this was a general call for everyone. Am I mistaken? Thanks. David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Lavonya Gardner wrote: > R u apart of the Baltimoo chapter? I am. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Aug 19, 2012, at 14:37, "Chris Nusbaum" > wrote: > > > Hi Lavonya, > > > > The phone number is 712-775-7100 and the passcode is 257963. > > > > Hope this helps, > > > > Chris > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] > > On > Behalf > > Of Lavonya Gardner > > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 5:14 PM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: [nabs-l] Meeting tonight > > > > What is the pass code for h meeting at 7?.thanks > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > for > > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40g > mail.c > > om > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gm > ail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo > .edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Aug 19 19:40:59 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 15:40:59 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Meeting tonight In-Reply-To: References: <005901cd7e39$bb770eb0$32652c10$@gmail.com> <707F7508-61C7-47CF-AA64-3ED9E45081ED@gmail.com> Message-ID: <007d01cd7e42$8f8f31c0$aead9540$@gmail.com> Hi David, I'm going to miss it to, so I hope it will be recorded. Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Dodge Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 3:27 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Meeting tonight Will there be minutes from tonight's meeting? I'm going to miss it and really wanted to be on the call. :( David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 6:24 PM, Lavonya Gardner wrote: > Hi, Cris > Yes. Thanks Cris > > Sent from my iPad > > On Aug 19, 2012, at 14:37, "Chris Nusbaum" > wrote: > > > Hi Lavonya, > > > > The phone number is 712-775-7100 and the passcode is 257963. > > > > Hope this helps, > > > > Chris > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] > > On > Behalf > > Of Lavonya Gardner > > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 5:14 PM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: [nabs-l] Meeting tonight > > > > What is the pass code for h meeting at 7?.thanks > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > for > > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40g > mail.c > > om > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gm > ail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo > .edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Aug 19 19:43:26 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 15:43:26 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Meeting tonight In-Reply-To: <4E0D6F2A-F83C-4FC3-8018-33E0BD5A41E5@gmail.com> References: <005901cd7e39$bb770eb0$32652c10$@gmail.com> <4E0D6F2A-F83C-4FC3-8018-33E0BD5A41E5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <007e01cd7e42$e74e92c0$b5ebb840$@gmail.com> Hi Lavonya, I am a member of the Greater Baltimore chapter! I don't get to many of the meetings, though, as I live up in Carroll County, about an hour away from the national center, and transportation is sometimes hard to come by. I thought your name sounded familiar from somewhere! Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lavonya Gardner Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 6:28 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Meeting tonight R u apart of the Baltimoo chapter? I am. Sent from my iPad On Aug 19, 2012, at 14:37, "Chris Nusbaum" wrote: > Hi Lavonya, > > The phone number is 712-775-7100 and the passcode is 257963. > > Hope this helps, > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Lavonya Gardner > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 5:14 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Meeting tonight > > What is the pass code for h meeting at 7?.thanks > > Sent from my iPad > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40g > mail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gm > ail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From daviddod at buffalo.edu Sun Aug 19 19:47:27 2012 From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 15:47:27 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Meeting tonight In-Reply-To: <007d01cd7e42$8f8f31c0$aead9540$@gmail.com> References: <005901cd7e39$bb770eb0$32652c10$@gmail.com> <707F7508-61C7-47CF-AA64-3ED9E45081ED@gmail.com> <007d01cd7e42$8f8f31c0$aead9540$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the clarification, Chris. I also hope it will be recorded. David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi David, > > I'm going to miss it to, so I hope it will be recorded. > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of David Dodge > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 3:27 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Meeting tonight > > Will there be minutes from tonight's meeting? I'm going to miss it and > really wanted to be on the call. :( > > David > ---------------------------------- > David Dodge > Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson English Major > University at Buffalo > 306 Clemens Hall > Buffalo, NY 14260 > daviddod at buffalo.edu > > > On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 6:24 PM, Lavonya Gardner > wrote: > > > Hi, Cris > > Yes. Thanks Cris > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > On Aug 19, 2012, at 14:37, "Chris Nusbaum" > > wrote: > > > > > Hi Lavonya, > > > > > > The phone number is 712-775-7100 and the passcode is 257963. > > > > > > Hope this helps, > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] > > > On > > Behalf > > > Of Lavonya Gardner > > > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 5:14 PM > > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > > Subject: [nabs-l] Meeting tonight > > > > > > What is the pass code for h meeting at 7?.thanks > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > nabs-l mailing list > > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > > for > > > nabs-l: > > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40g > > mail.c > > > om > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > nabs-l mailing list > > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > > for > > nabs-l: > > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gm > > ail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo > > .edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu > From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Sun Aug 19 22:51:54 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 18:51:54 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Meeting tonight In-Reply-To: <007e01cd7e42$e74e92c0$b5ebb840$@gmail.com> References: <005901cd7e39$bb770eb0$32652c10$@gmail.com> <4E0D6F2A-F83C-4FC3-8018-33E0BD5A41E5@gmail.com> <007e01cd7e42$e74e92c0$b5ebb840$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6B4FCD40-94DF-4FC0-92B3-07467C83189B@gmail.com> I got to give a talk.In April Sent from my iPad On Aug 19, 2012, at 15:43, "Chris Nusbaum" wrote: > Hi Lavonya, > > I am a member of the Greater Baltimore chapter! I don't get to many of the > meetings, though, as I live up in Carroll County, about an hour away from > the national center, and transportation is sometimes hard to come by. I > thought your name sounded familiar from somewhere! > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Lavonya Gardner > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 6:28 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Meeting tonight > > R u apart of the Baltimoo chapter? I am. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Aug 19, 2012, at 14:37, "Chris Nusbaum" wrote: > >> Hi Lavonya, >> >> The phone number is 712-775-7100 and the passcode is 257963. >> >> Hope this helps, >> >> Chris >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf Of Lavonya Gardner >> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 5:14 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] Meeting tonight >> >> What is the pass code for h meeting at 7?.thanks >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40g >> mail.c >> om >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gm >> ail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Sun Aug 19 22:59:14 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 18:59:14 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Meeting tonight In-Reply-To: References: <005901cd7e39$bb770eb0$32652c10$@gmail.com> <707F7508-61C7-47CF-AA64-3ED9E45081ED@gmail.com> <007d01cd7e42$8f8f31c0$aead9540$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <15701A7C-124F-410F-B8EE-F0ADEE79D4C0@gmail.com> I use a communicatiooo device to talk. Will that be a problem? My w p m is 50 1 handed. I am autistic Sent from my iPad On Aug 19, 2012, at 15:47, David Dodge wrote: > Thanks for the clarification, Chris. I also hope it will be recorded. > > David > ---------------------------------- > David Dodge > Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson > English Major > University at Buffalo > 306 Clemens Hall > Buffalo, NY 14260 > daviddod at buffalo.edu > > > On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > >> Hi David, >> >> I'm going to miss it to, so I hope it will be recorded. >> >> Chris >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of David Dodge >> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 3:27 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Meeting tonight >> >> Will there be minutes from tonight's meeting? I'm going to miss it and >> really wanted to be on the call. :( >> >> David >> ---------------------------------- >> David Dodge >> Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson English Major >> University at Buffalo >> 306 Clemens Hall >> Buffalo, NY 14260 >> daviddod at buffalo.edu >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 6:24 PM, Lavonya Gardner >> wrote: >> >>> Hi, Cris >>> Yes. Thanks Cris >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Aug 19, 2012, at 14:37, "Chris Nusbaum" >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Lavonya, >>>> >>>> The phone number is 712-775-7100 and the passcode is 257963. >>>> >>>> Hope this helps, >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] >>>> On >>> Behalf >>>> Of Lavonya Gardner >>>> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 5:14 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Meeting tonight >>>> >>>> What is the pass code for h meeting at 7?.thanks >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40g >>> mail.c >>>> om >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>> nabs-l: >>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gm >>> ail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo >>> .edu >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c >> om >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Sun Aug 19 21:09:55 2012 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 14:09:55 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: Meet The National Association of Blind Students: The board and committees. Message-ID: Hey Nabs-sters! Convention has come and gone, and we all as members of the National Association of Blind Students are ready to start anew. Just one thing though; who’s on the board this year? What kind of committees can we expect to see? Who on the board will be working with my student division more closely? The national Association of Blind Students (NABS) invites you to our first call of the 2012 – 2013 term! On this call the newly elected nabs board will be on hand to meet with you all and discuss the offices they hold, the regions they serve and the committees they chair. This call, will take place on Sunday, August 19, at 7p.m. Eastern/4p.m. Pacific Time. Who: The National Association of Blind Students What: Meet the nabs board. When: 8/19/11, 7p.m. ET Where: (712) 775-7100 and enter pass code 257963. Why: Because together we can do great things, but only if we work together! We look forward to meeting you! Yours, The National Association of Blind Students. -- Darian Smith "Let's work together to eliminate Subminimum Wages for People with Disabilities" http://www.nfb.org/fairwages "To dream what is possible and to put oneself in service of that dream is the formula for a life well lived." - Dr. Peter Benson From twilliams.jaguars at gmail.com Sun Aug 19 21:44:28 2012 From: twilliams.jaguars at gmail.com (Tamika Williams) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 16:44:28 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] textbooks Message-ID: Hi nabs, I am having a hard time trying to find some of my books for the fall semester. I am lacking an Little Brown Handbook, Principles of Accounting, and Calculus and And it's Applications. I have already searched Learning Ally, Bookshare, and Project Gootenberg. Does anybody have anymore suggestions on where I can find these textbooks. Thanks for any help, Tamika Williams From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Sun Aug 19 21:51:20 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 21:51:20 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] textbooks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tamika, have you tried National Braille Press? Thanks, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Tamika Williams [twilliams.jaguars at gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 4:44 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] textbooks Hi nabs, I am having a hard time trying to find some of my books for the fall semester. I am lacking an Little Brown Handbook, Principles of Accounting, and Calculus and And it's Applications. I have already searched Learning Ally, Bookshare, and Project Gootenberg. Does anybody have anymore suggestions on where I can find these textbooks. Thanks for any help, Tamika Williams _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From codyjbair at yahoo.com Sun Aug 19 21:58:18 2012 From: codyjbair at yahoo.com (Cody Bair) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 14:58:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] textbooks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1345413498.49751.YahooMailClassic@web110706.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Tamika, Try contacting the books publishers. Some publishers will provide you with an accessable copy of the book as long as you present them with the receipt to prove that you have purchased the book. Also, does your college's disablity access services have the capability of converting print books in to an accessible format? Cody --- On Sun, 8/19/12, Tamika Williams wrote: > From: Tamika Williams > Subject: [nabs-l] textbooks > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date: Sunday, August 19, 2012, 3:44 PM > Hi nabs, > > I am having a hard time trying to find some of my books for > the fall > semester. I am lacking an Little Brown Handbook, Principles > of > Accounting, and Calculus and And it's Applications. I have > already > searched Learning Ally, Bookshare, and Project Gootenberg. > Does > anybody have anymore suggestions on where I can find these > textbooks. > > Thanks for any help, > Tamika Williams > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/codyjbair%40yahoo.com > From twilliams.jaguars at gmail.com Sun Aug 19 22:00:18 2012 From: twilliams.jaguars at gmail.com (Tamika Williams) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 17:00:18 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] textbooks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No, I haven't tried them yet but I most definitely will. Thank you for the suggestion. Thank you, Tamika Williams On 8/19/12, Joshua Lester wrote: > Tamika, have you tried National Braille Press? > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of > Tamika Williams [twilliams.jaguars at gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 4:44 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] textbooks > > Hi nabs, > > I am having a hard time trying to find some of my books for the fall > semester. I am lacking an Little Brown Handbook, Principles of > Accounting, and Calculus and And it's Applications. I have already > searched Learning Ally, Bookshare, and Project Gootenberg. Does > anybody have anymore suggestions on where I can find these textbooks. > > Thanks for any help, > Tamika Williams > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/twilliams.jaguars%40gmail.com > From twilliams.jaguars at gmail.com Sun Aug 19 22:08:52 2012 From: twilliams.jaguars at gmail.com (Tamika Williams) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 17:08:52 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] textbooks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Cody, Unfortunately my disability services does not convert text into an accessible format but I will try to contact the publisher. Thanks, Tamika Williams On 8/19/12, Tamika Williams wrote: > No, I haven't tried them yet but I most definitely will. Thank you for > the suggestion. > > Thank you, Tamika Williams > > On 8/19/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >> Tamika, have you tried National Braille Press? >> Thanks, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >> Tamika Williams [twilliams.jaguars at gmail.com] >> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 4:44 PM >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] textbooks >> >> Hi nabs, >> >> I am having a hard time trying to find some of my books for the fall >> semester. I am lacking an Little Brown Handbook, Principles of >> Accounting, and Calculus and And it's Applications. I have already >> searched Learning Ally, Bookshare, and Project Gootenberg. Does >> anybody have anymore suggestions on where I can find these textbooks. >> >> Thanks for any help, >> Tamika Williams >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/twilliams.jaguars%40gmail.com >> > From brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com Sun Aug 19 23:08:45 2012 From: brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com (Brandon Keith Biggs) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 16:08:45 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] textbooks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello, http://www.atpc.net/ Will most likely have them. Thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 2:51 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] textbooks Tamika, have you tried National Braille Press? Thanks, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Tamika Williams [twilliams.jaguars at gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 4:44 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] textbooks Hi nabs, I am having a hard time trying to find some of my books for the fall semester. I am lacking an Little Brown Handbook, Principles of Accounting, and Calculus and And it's Applications. I have already searched Learning Ally, Bookshare, and Project Gootenberg. Does anybody have anymore suggestions on where I can find these textbooks. Thanks for any help, Tamika Williams _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Aug 20 00:28:49 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 20:28:49 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] vr stratus Message-ID: <993AF3E8A8A94400A804EB58269554C6@OwnerPC> Hi all, I hope to get a vr stratus, the latest victor reader product. I would like to read daisy cds since its easy to access as opposed to using sd cards. The quality was excellent as well. If anyone uses it, what are the good things about it? Will it play mp3 cds and files? Does it accept USB drives? If so, this is a plus over the vr stream which only accepts sd cards. I am aware you cannot record on it, but will it play recorded files? If so, which type? Probably mp3 and wav. Thank you. Ashley From carlymih at comcast.net Mon Aug 20 00:39:17 2012 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 17:39:17 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] textbooks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20120819173821.01c7ad88@comcast.net> Good evening, Tamika, Isn't that their J.O.B? What's up with that??? CarlyAt 03:08 PM 8/19/2012, Tamika Williams wrote: >Hi Cody, > >Unfortunately my disability services does not convert text into an >accessible format but I will try to contact the publisher. > >Thanks, >Tamika Williams > >On 8/19/12, Tamika Williams wrote: > > No, I haven't tried them yet but I most definitely will. Thank you for > > the suggestion. > > > > Thank you, Tamika Williams > > > > On 8/19/12, Joshua Lester wrote: > >> Tamika, have you tried National Braille Press? > >> Thanks, Joshua > >> ________________________________________ > >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of > >> Tamika Williams [twilliams.jaguars at gmail.com] > >> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 4:44 PM > >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> Subject: [nabs-l] textbooks > >> > >> Hi nabs, > >> > >> I am having a hard time trying to find some of my books for the fall > >> semester. I am lacking an Little Brown Handbook, Principles of > >> Accounting, and Calculus and And it's Applications. I have already > >> searched Learning Ally, Bookshare, and Project Gootenberg. Does > >> anybody have anymore suggestions on where I can find these textbooks. > >> > >> Thanks for any help, > >> Tamika Williams > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/twilliams.jaguars%40gmail.com > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com Mon Aug 20 00:42:20 2012 From: brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com (Brandon Keith Biggs) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 17:42:20 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] textbooks In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20120819173821.01c7ad88@comcast.net> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20120819173821.01c7ad88@comcast.net> Message-ID: <53B45F3DEE5044938DC758FAB96B806B@BrandonsLaptop2> Hello, It is the ADA that her school provide her textbooks in an accessible format, but she may not live in the U.S. Thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs -----Original Message----- From: Carly Mihalakis Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 5:39 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] textbooks Good evening, Tamika, Isn't that their J.O.B? What's up with that??? CarlyAt 03:08 PM 8/19/2012, Tamika Williams wrote: >Hi Cody, > >Unfortunately my disability services does not convert text into an >accessible format but I will try to contact the publisher. > >Thanks, >Tamika Williams > >On 8/19/12, Tamika Williams wrote: > > No, I haven't tried them yet but I most definitely will. Thank you for > > the suggestion. > > > > Thank you, Tamika Williams > > > > On 8/19/12, Joshua Lester wrote: > >> Tamika, have you tried National Braille Press? > >> Thanks, Joshua > >> ________________________________________ > >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf > >> of > >> Tamika Williams [twilliams.jaguars at gmail.com] > >> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 4:44 PM > >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> Subject: [nabs-l] textbooks > >> > >> Hi nabs, > >> > >> I am having a hard time trying to find some of my books for the fall > >> semester. I am lacking an Little Brown Handbook, Principles of > >> Accounting, and Calculus and And it's Applications. I have already > >> searched Learning Ally, Bookshare, and Project Gootenberg. Does > >> anybody have anymore suggestions on where I can find these textbooks. > >> > >> Thanks for any help, > >> Tamika Williams > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/twilliams.jaguars%40gmail.com > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Aug 20 01:11:15 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 21:11:15 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] textbooks In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20120819173821.01c7ad88@comcast.net> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20120819173821.01c7ad88@comcast.net> Message-ID: <949CAB44D86D4031A4289553A4358D86@OwnerPC> Carley, Yes they should assist her. But she may not live in US and private colleges may be exempt. Also, some DSS offices do a lousy job at their job. So she is trying to get them herself -----Original Message----- From: Carly Mihalakis Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 8:39 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] textbooks Good evening, Tamika, Isn't that their J.O.B? What's up with that??? CarlyAt 03:08 PM 8/19/2012, Tamika Williams wrote: >Hi Cody, > >Unfortunately my disability services does not convert text into an >accessible format but I will try to contact the publisher. > >Thanks, >Tamika Williams > >On 8/19/12, Tamika Williams wrote: > > No, I haven't tried them yet but I most definitely will. Thank you for > > the suggestion. > > > > Thank you, Tamika Williams > > > > On 8/19/12, Joshua Lester wrote: > >> Tamika, have you tried National Braille Press? > >> Thanks, Joshua > >> ________________________________________ > >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf > >> of > >> Tamika Williams [twilliams.jaguars at gmail.com] > >> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 4:44 PM > >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> Subject: [nabs-l] textbooks > >> > >> Hi nabs, > >> > >> I am having a hard time trying to find some of my books for the fall > >> semester. I am lacking an Little Brown Handbook, Principles of > >> Accounting, and Calculus and And it's Applications. I have already > >> searched Learning Ally, Bookshare, and Project Gootenberg. Does > >> anybody have anymore suggestions on where I can find these textbooks. > >> > >> Thanks for any help, > >> Tamika Williams > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/twilliams.jaguars%40gmail.com > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Aug 20 01:13:09 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 21:13:09 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] advocating with rehab In-Reply-To: <006001cd7db2$fe71e460$fb55ad20$@gmail.com> References: <006001cd7db2$fe71e460$fb55ad20$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hope and all, Thanks for your suggestions. I feel they are in a hurry to close the case rather than purchase me what I need to be successful now and on the job. A big thing is I need my braille note repaired since some cells are dead. Yes, we do have a client assistance program and I might use cap soon. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Hope Paulos Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 10:33 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] advocating with rehab If your meeting does not go well, go up the ladder. VR usually has a program that will assist you with advocating. My program is called the Client Advocacy program. Basically if I have an issue I'd call them and they would call the counselor and supervisor and take whatever action is necessary to get you the things you need. You could also switch counselors. Hope -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lavonya Gardner Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 12:50 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] advocating with rehab Print out the demands of your job and show them to your v r counselor Sent from my iPad On Aug 18, 2012, at 21:32, "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: > Hi all, > > I have requested that vr purchase some items and also to provide me some > services. This is mainly computer training in the office suite so I can > learn about excel and powerpoint. Well, they did not give me enough > training; we just get started, and then its over; I’m talking a handful of > lessons only. I think having several like 7 or 8 would be more reasonable. > > I feel like I’ve hit a brick wall with them. I also think they should > provide guidance in job support such as job search strategies, helping you > find employees to job shadow, conduct informational interviews, help you > job search since as you know with all those forms and boxes it can be jaws > unfriendly, and help with mock interviews. > > I’m having a meeting with them. My counselor’s supervisor is there to so > called discuss my issues. So any tips? How do I advocate? I’m already > printing out my counselor’s emails and my own. This indicates I wrote to > her and she failed to respond at all or in a timely manner. > > I’m also bringing a list of questions and concerns to refer to. I will be > nervous and likely intimidated and I feel having notes will aid me in > staying on track and saying what I need to. I’m also reading over the > policy before I go. What else can I do, if anything? > > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Mon Aug 20 01:30:12 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 01:30:12 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] advocating with rehab In-Reply-To: References: <006001cd7db2$fe71e460$fb55ad20$@gmail.com>, Message-ID: Use CAP for the Braille Note repair. Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Bramlett [bookwormahb at earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 8:13 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] advocating with rehab Hope and all, Thanks for your suggestions. I feel they are in a hurry to close the case rather than purchase me what I need to be successful now and on the job. A big thing is I need my braille note repaired since some cells are dead. Yes, we do have a client assistance program and I might use cap soon. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Hope Paulos Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 10:33 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] advocating with rehab If your meeting does not go well, go up the ladder. VR usually has a program that will assist you with advocating. My program is called the Client Advocacy program. Basically if I have an issue I'd call them and they would call the counselor and supervisor and take whatever action is necessary to get you the things you need. You could also switch counselors. Hope -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lavonya Gardner Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 12:50 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] advocating with rehab Print out the demands of your job and show them to your v r counselor Sent from my iPad On Aug 18, 2012, at 21:32, "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: > Hi all, > > I have requested that vr purchase some items and also to provide me some > services. This is mainly computer training in the office suite so I can > learn about excel and powerpoint. Well, they did not give me enough > training; we just get started, and then its over; I’m talking a handful of > lessons only. I think having several like 7 or 8 would be more reasonable. > > I feel like I’ve hit a brick wall with them. I also think they should > provide guidance in job support such as job search strategies, helping you > find employees to job shadow, conduct informational interviews, help you > job search since as you know with all those forms and boxes it can be jaws > unfriendly, and help with mock interviews. > > I’m having a meeting with them. My counselor’s supervisor is there to so > called discuss my issues. So any tips? How do I advocate? I’m already > printing out my counselor’s emails and my own. This indicates I wrote to > her and she failed to respond at all or in a timely manner. > > I’m also bringing a list of questions and concerns to refer to. I will be > nervous and likely intimidated and I feel having notes will aid me in > staying on track and saying what I need to. I’m also reading over the > policy before I go. What else can I do, if anything? > > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From djdrocks22180 at audioaccessfm.com Mon Aug 20 02:02:56 2012 From: djdrocks22180 at audioaccessfm.com (David Dunphy) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 22:02:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: Meet The National Association of Blind Students: The board and committees. References: Message-ID: Darn! DIdn't see this till now, grrrr! Would have streamed this live, very sorry about that. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darian Smith" To: Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 5:09 PM Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: Meet The National Association of Blind Students: The board and committees. Hey Nabs-sters! Convention has come and gone, and we all as members of the National Association of Blind Students are ready to start anew. Just one thing though; who’s on the board this year? What kind of committees can we expect to see? Who on the board will be working with my student division more closely? The national Association of Blind Students (NABS) invites you to our first call of the 2012 – 2013 term! On this call the newly elected nabs board will be on hand to meet with you all and discuss the offices they hold, the regions they serve and the committees they chair. This call, will take place on Sunday, August 19, at 7p.m. Eastern/4p.m. Pacific Time. Who: The National Association of Blind Students What: Meet the nabs board. When: 8/19/11, 7p.m. ET Where: (712) 775-7100 and enter pass code 257963. Why: Because together we can do great things, but only if we work together! We look forward to meeting you! Yours, The National Association of Blind Students. -- Darian Smith "Let's work together to eliminate Subminimum Wages for People with Disabilities" http://www.nfb.org/fairwages "To dream what is possible and to put oneself in service of that dream is the formula for a life well lived." - Dr. Peter Benson _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/djdrocks22180%40audioaccessfm.com From kramc11 at gmail.com Mon Aug 20 02:34:18 2012 From: kramc11 at gmail.com (Mark J. Cadigan) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 22:34:18 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] textbooks References: <7.0.1.0.2.20120819173821.01c7ad88@comcast.net> <53B45F3DEE5044938DC758FAB96B806B@BrandonsLaptop2> Message-ID: <12D5E937B728415D9B30117AD0D85D85@ownerf49ceb395> It is not the ADA but rather section 504 and 508 of the rehabilitation act of 1973 that cover access to coarse materials. The ADA covers access to the classrooms and like. The exception to this is if you are not a student in the United States, or your college receives no federal funding. HTH Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 8:42 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] textbooks > Hello, > It is the ADA that her school provide her textbooks in an accessible > format, but she may not live in the U.S. > Thanks, > > Brandon Keith Biggs > -----Original Message----- > From: Carly Mihalakis > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 5:39 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; National > Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] textbooks > > Good evening, Tamika, > > Isn't that their J.O.B? What's up with that??? > CarlyAt 03:08 PM 8/19/2012, Tamika Williams wrote: >>Hi Cody, >> >>Unfortunately my disability services does not convert text into an >>accessible format but I will try to contact the publisher. >> >>Thanks, >>Tamika Williams >> >>On 8/19/12, Tamika Williams wrote: >> > No, I haven't tried them yet but I most definitely will. Thank you for >> > the suggestion. >> > >> > Thank you, Tamika Williams >> > >> > On 8/19/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >> >> Tamika, have you tried National Braille Press? >> >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> ________________________________________ >> >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf >> >> of >> >> Tamika Williams [twilliams.jaguars at gmail.com] >> >> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 4:44 PM >> >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> Subject: [nabs-l] textbooks >> >> >> >> Hi nabs, >> >> >> >> I am having a hard time trying to find some of my books for the fall >> >> semester. I am lacking an Little Brown Handbook, Principles of >> >> Accounting, and Calculus and And it's Applications. I have already >> >> searched Learning Ally, Bookshare, and Project Gootenberg. Does >> >> anybody have anymore suggestions on where I can find these textbooks. >> >> >> >> Thanks for any help, >> >> Tamika Williams >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> nabs-l mailing list >> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> nabs-l mailing list >> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/twilliams.jaguars%40gmail.com >> >> >> > >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kramc11%40gmail.com > From gloria.graves at gmail.com Mon Aug 20 12:50:35 2012 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 07:50:35 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] textbooks References: Message-ID: <5E07EC690D3A47AD9D2ADE72E212A48D@Gloria> Hi, I also know if you talk to your disabilities office they can some times work with the publishers to get texts for a student with no cost. I have gotten a couple of my books using this method. Hope you find what your looking for. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tamika Williams" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 5:00 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] textbooks > No, I haven't tried them yet but I most definitely will. Thank you for > the suggestion. > > Thank you, Tamika Williams > > On 8/19/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >> Tamika, have you tried National Braille Press? >> Thanks, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >> Tamika Williams [twilliams.jaguars at gmail.com] >> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 4:44 PM >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] textbooks >> >> Hi nabs, >> >> I am having a hard time trying to find some of my books for the fall >> semester. I am lacking an Little Brown Handbook, Principles of >> Accounting, and Calculus and And it's Applications. I have already >> searched Learning Ally, Bookshare, and Project Gootenberg. Does >> anybody have anymore suggestions on where I can find these textbooks. >> >> Thanks for any help, >> Tamika Williams >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/twilliams.jaguars%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From trillian551 at gmail.com Mon Aug 20 13:22:48 2012 From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:22:48 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] textbooks In-Reply-To: <5E07EC690D3A47AD9D2ADE72E212A48D@Gloria> References: <5E07EC690D3A47AD9D2ADE72E212A48D@Gloria> Message-ID: Hi All, Aside from all of these great suggestions, i would also refer your office of disability services to AMAC, "alternative media access center". They will put your text books into whatever accessible format you need. However, it needs to be coordinated through your school. Their website is www.amacusg.org. You might also look on their "stepp" website. They have a bunch of books that you can rent for a semester that have already been put into accessible formats. Just google "amac stepp" and it should come right up. Hope this helps. Mary On 8/20/12, Gloria G wrote: > Hi, > I also know if you talk to your disabilities office they can some times work > > with the publishers to get texts for a student with no cost. I have gotten a > > couple of my books using this method. Hope you find what your looking for. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tamika Williams" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 5:00 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] textbooks > > >> No, I haven't tried them yet but I most definitely will. Thank you for >> the suggestion. >> >> Thank you, Tamika Williams >> >> On 8/19/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> Tamika, have you tried National Braille Press? >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >>> Tamika Williams [twilliams.jaguars at gmail.com] >>> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 4:44 PM >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Subject: [nabs-l] textbooks >>> >>> Hi nabs, >>> >>> I am having a hard time trying to find some of my books for the fall >>> semester. I am lacking an Little Brown Handbook, Principles of >>> Accounting, and Calculus and And it's Applications. I have already >>> searched Learning Ally, Bookshare, and Project Gootenberg. Does >>> anybody have anymore suggestions on where I can find these textbooks. >>> >>> Thanks for any help, >>> Tamika Williams >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/twilliams.jaguars%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com > -- Mary Fernandez Emory 2012 "A pioneer is not someone who makes her own soap. She is one who takes up her burdens and walks toward the future." -- Laurel Thatcher Ulrich From gloria.graves at gmail.com Mon Aug 20 14:03:44 2012 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:03:44 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] textbooks References: <5E07EC690D3A47AD9D2ADE72E212A48D@Gloria> Message-ID: <636465F2B618464E86E63011C23C5D48@Gloria> Thanks for the suggestion ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Fernandez" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] textbooks > Hi All, > Aside from all of these great suggestions, i would also refer your > office of disability services to AMAC, "alternative media access > center". They will put your text books into whatever accessible format > you need. However, it needs to be coordinated through your school. > Their website is www.amacusg.org. You might also look on their "stepp" > website. They have a bunch of books that you can rent for a semester > that have already been put into accessible formats. Just google "amac > stepp" and it should come right up. > Hope this helps. > Mary > > On 8/20/12, Gloria G wrote: >> Hi, >> I also know if you talk to your disabilities office they can some times >> work >> >> with the publishers to get texts for a student with no cost. I have >> gotten a >> >> couple of my books using this method. Hope you find what your looking >> for. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tamika Williams" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 5:00 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] textbooks >> >> >>> No, I haven't tried them yet but I most definitely will. Thank you for >>> the suggestion. >>> >>> Thank you, Tamika Williams >>> >>> On 8/19/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>> Tamika, have you tried National Braille Press? >>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>> ________________________________________ >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf >>>> of >>>> Tamika Williams [twilliams.jaguars at gmail.com] >>>> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 4:44 PM >>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] textbooks >>>> >>>> Hi nabs, >>>> >>>> I am having a hard time trying to find some of my books for the fall >>>> semester. I am lacking an Little Brown Handbook, Principles of >>>> Accounting, and Calculus and And it's Applications. I have already >>>> searched Learning Ally, Bookshare, and Project Gootenberg. Does >>>> anybody have anymore suggestions on where I can find these textbooks. >>>> >>>> Thanks for any help, >>>> Tamika Williams >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/twilliams.jaguars%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Mary Fernandez > Emory 2012 > "A pioneer is not someone who makes her own soap. She is one who takes > up her burdens and walks toward the future." > -- > Laurel Thatcher Ulrich > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com > From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Mon Aug 20 17:13:48 2012 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:13:48 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Hot key for JAWS verbosity settings in a program Message-ID: Dear list, II'm trying to remember the hot key for changing the verbosity within a specific program, such as Microsoft Word or Internet Explorer. I know you have to press Insert + something, then go into a menu, but I just don't remember what keys to press. Specifically, I'm looking for JAWS to read bold, italics, underlining, colour, and sub- and superscript. Any help would be much appreciated! Thanks, Jewel From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Mon Aug 20 17:17:24 2012 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:17:24 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] vr stratus In-Reply-To: <993AF3E8A8A94400A804EB58269554C6@OwnerPC> References: <993AF3E8A8A94400A804EB58269554C6@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hi Ashley, The Stratus does accept mp3 files, as well as reading off a flash drive. It even has a CD player. This device is next on my list to get, when financial aid comes in the mail, as it makes a great tabletop reade, much better than the NLS player...don't get me wrong, the NLS player is nice, but the Stratus does so much more. Good luck with your Stratus and enjoy the high quality performance! ~Jewel On 8/19/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi all, > > I hope to get a vr stratus, the latest victor reader product. I would like > to read daisy cds since its easy to access as opposed to using sd cards. > The quality was excellent as well. > > If anyone uses it, what are the good things about it? Will it play mp3 cds > and files? Does it accept USB drives? If so, this is a plus over the vr > stream which only accepts sd cards. > I am aware you cannot record on it, but will it play recorded files? If so, > which type? Probably mp3 and wav. > > > Thank you. > > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > From trillian551 at gmail.com Mon Aug 20 17:35:54 2012 From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:35:54 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Hot key for JAWS verbosity settings in a program In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey, That would be insert+V. Have fun. Mary On 8/20/12, Jewel wrote: > Dear list, > II'm trying to remember the hot key for changing the verbosity within > a specific program, such as Microsoft Word or Internet Explorer. I > know you have to press Insert + something, then go into a menu, but I > just don't remember what keys to press. Specifically, I'm looking for > JAWS to read bold, italics, underlining, colour, and sub- and > superscript. Any help would be much appreciated! > > Thanks, > Jewel > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com > -- Mary Fernandez Emory 2012 "A pioneer is not someone who makes her own soap. She is one who takes up her burdens and walks toward the future." -- Laurel Thatcher Ulrich From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com Mon Aug 20 18:32:14 2012 From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:32:14 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] vr stratus In-Reply-To: References: <993AF3E8A8A94400A804EB58269554C6@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hi Ashley, While I don't have any personal experience with the Stratus, I recently came across a good product review article covering its features on Access World, which can be found on the AFB website (click on Access World after going to www.afb.org). This looks like a very informative piece and should address a lot of your questions. Good luck! Katie On 8/20/12, Jewel wrote: > Hi Ashley, > The Stratus does accept mp3 files, as well as reading off a flash > drive. It even has a CD player. This device is next on my list to get, > when financial aid comes in the mail, as it makes a great tabletop > reade, much better than the NLS player...don't get me wrong, the NLS > player is nice, but the Stratus does so much more. > > Good luck with your Stratus and enjoy the high quality performance! > ~Jewel > > On 8/19/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I hope to get a vr stratus, the latest victor reader product. I would >> like >> to read daisy cds since its easy to access as opposed to using sd cards. >> The quality was excellent as well. >> >> If anyone uses it, what are the good things about it? Will it play mp3 >> cds >> and files? Does it accept USB drives? If so, this is a plus over the vr >> stream which only accepts sd cards. >> I am aware you cannot record on it, but will it play recorded files? If >> so, >> which type? Probably mp3 and wav. >> >> >> Thank you. >> >> Ashley >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Aug 20 20:26:23 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 16:26:23 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Americans with Disabilities to Protest Goodwill's Subminimum Wages In-Reply-To: <4C785AE92339A84D80E58139B523D9850E59B1AA@CH1PRD0711MB431.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> References: <4C785AE92339A84D80E58139B523D9850E59B1AA@CH1PRD0711MB431.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <000001cd7f12$1247d9d0$36d78d70$@gmail.com> From: Freeh, Jessica [mailto:JFreeh at nfb.org] Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 2:01 PM To: Undisclosed recipients: Subject: Americans with Disabilities to Protest Goodwill's Subminimum Wages FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: Chris Danielsen Director of Public Relations National Federation of the Blind (410) 659-9314, extension 2330 (410) 262-1281 (Cell) cdanielsen at nfb.org Americans with Disabilities to Protest Goodwill's Subminimum Wages Protesters to Urge Boycott, Demand Fair Wages Baltimore, Maryland (August 20, 2012): The National Federation of the Blind (NFB), one of the oldest and largest organizations of Americans with disabilities, announced today that it, along with other organizations of people with disabilities, will conduct over eighty coordinated nationwide protests in front of thrift stores operated by Goodwill Industries International, Inc., the nonprofit manufacturer and retailer. The informational protests will raise awareness of Goodwill's practice of paying subminimum wages to many of its workers with disabilities. Freedom of information requests filed by the NFB confirmed that Goodwill Industries employees with disabilities have been paid as low as $0.22 an hour. The NFB and nearly fifty other organizations of people with disabilities support legislation, the Fair Wages for Workers with Disabilities Act (H.R. 3086), which would phase out and then repeal the nearly seventy-five-year-old provision of the Fair Labor Standards Act that permits special certificate holders to pay subminimum wages to workers with disabilities. The protests will take place on Saturday, August 25, generally from 11 a.m. to 1 p.m. local time at Goodwill thrift store locations throughout the United States. Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind, said: "Goodwill Industries is one of the most well-known charitable organizations in the United States, but most members of the general public are unaware that Goodwill exploits people with disabilities. We are conducting informational protests to make the public aware of this practice that, although sadly still legal, is unfair, discriminatory, and immoral. Given its lucrative retail operations and the fact that it can lavish half-a-million dollars on the salary of its president and chief executive officer, Goodwill is certainly in a position to stop exploiting its workers with disabilities. We are calling upon all Americans to refuse to do business with Goodwill Industries, to refuse to make donations to the subminimum-wage exploiter, and to refuse to shop in its retail stores until it exercises true leadership and sound moral judgment by fairly compensating all of its workers with disabilities." For more information about the protests, contact Anil Lewis, director of Strategic Communications at the National Federation of the Blind, by phone at (410) 659-9314, extension 2374, or by e-mail at alewis at nfb.org. For more background regarding this critically important issue, please visit www.nfb.org/fair-wages. ### About the National Federation of the Blind With more than 50,000 members, the National Federation of the Blind is the largest and most influential membership organization of blind people in the United States. The NFB improves blind people's lives through advocacy, education, research, technology, and programs encouraging independence and self-confidence. It is the leading force in the blindness field today and the voice of the nation's blind. In January 2004 the NFB opened the National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research and training center in the United States for the blind led by the blind. From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Aug 20 20:50:20 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 16:50:20 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Hot key for JAWS verbosity settings in a program In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jewel, You want to go to settings center for this where speech and sound schemes are listed. Once on that setting in the tree view, press space to hear options and select say attributes and font would be my recommendation. To get there press insert 2. Verbosity is insert V, but I do not think you will find what you need there. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Jewel Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 1:13 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Hot key for JAWS verbosity settings in a program Dear list, II'm trying to remember the hot key for changing the verbosity within a specific program, such as Microsoft Word or Internet Explorer. I know you have to press Insert + something, then go into a menu, but I just don't remember what keys to press. Specifically, I'm looking for JAWS to read bold, italics, underlining, colour, and sub- and superscript. Any help would be much appreciated! Thanks, Jewel _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From jeffc4 at lavabit.com Mon Aug 20 21:10:28 2012 From: jeffc4 at lavabit.com (jeffc4 at lavabit.com) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:10:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nabs-l] shimet radio Message-ID: <11017.68.62.22.6.1345497028.squirrel@lavabit.com> Hello to one and all, My name is Jeff Crouch. I invite you all to join me this evening for the monday night movie. Yes, tonight's movie is airplane. This is a discribed movie. The movie will be played twice. Shimet radio is a small internet radio station, just getting off the ground. you can find our stream at http://www.shimetradio.com. So come on out and take a listen. If you have any questions, feel free to email me at jeff at shimetradio.com thanks. From jeffc4 at lavabit.com Mon Aug 20 21:15:52 2012 From: jeffc4 at lavabit.com (jeffc4 at lavabit.com) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:15:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nabs-l] shimet radio In-Reply-To: <11017.68.62.22.6.1345497028.squirrel@lavabit.com> References: <11017.68.62.22.6.1345497028.squirrel@lavabit.com> Message-ID: <24113.68.62.22.6.1345497352.squirrel@lavabit.com> I forgot to minchion that the monday night movie will air at 8:00 PM eastern time. thanks > Hello to one and all, > > My name is Jeff Crouch. I invite you all to join me this evening for the > monday night movie. Yes, tonight's movie is airplane. This is a discribed > movie. The movie will be played twice. > > Shimet radio is a small internet radio station, just getting off the > ground. > > you can find our stream at > http://www.shimetradio.com. > > So come on out and take a listen. > > If you have any questions, feel free to email me at > jeff at shimetradio.com > > thanks. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jeffc4%40lavabit.com > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Find the Best Information on Cheap Here! > http://click.lavabit.com/rnm135jbn6fe4i75ye4644pi1z1zxsqwrkni9rfnz86uxpzb5fwy/ > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > From twilliams.jaguars at gmail.com Tue Aug 21 00:34:13 2012 From: twilliams.jaguars at gmail.com (Tamika Williams) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:34:13 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] textbooks In-Reply-To: <636465F2B618464E86E63011C23C5D48@Gloria> References: <5E07EC690D3A47AD9D2ADE72E212A48D@Gloria> <636465F2B618464E86E63011C23C5D48@Gloria> Message-ID: Hi NABS, I am sorry for the unclear statement that I made. My university will provide me with whatever format that I ask, but like Ashley stated, I would rather find them myself because it takes them forever to get the books if their not ordering them directly from Learning Ally. I am trying to not get so far behind. Thank you for all your suggestions. Mary, I will try that AMAC STEPP search, sound like it may be good. On 8/20/12, Gloria G wrote: > Thanks for the suggestion > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Fernandez" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 8:22 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] textbooks > > >> Hi All, >> Aside from all of these great suggestions, i would also refer your >> office of disability services to AMAC, "alternative media access >> center". They will put your text books into whatever accessible format >> you need. However, it needs to be coordinated through your school. >> Their website is www.amacusg.org. You might also look on their "stepp" >> website. They have a bunch of books that you can rent for a semester >> that have already been put into accessible formats. Just google "amac >> stepp" and it should come right up. >> Hope this helps. >> Mary >> >> On 8/20/12, Gloria G wrote: >>> Hi, >>> I also know if you talk to your disabilities office they can some times >>> work >>> >>> with the publishers to get texts for a student with no cost. I have >>> gotten a >>> >>> couple of my books using this method. Hope you find what your looking >>> for. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Tamika Williams" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 5:00 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] textbooks >>> >>> >>>> No, I haven't tried them yet but I most definitely will. Thank you for >>>> the suggestion. >>>> >>>> Thank you, Tamika Williams >>>> >>>> On 8/19/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>>> Tamika, have you tried National Braille Press? >>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>> ________________________________________ >>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf >>>>> of >>>>> Tamika Williams [twilliams.jaguars at gmail.com] >>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 4:44 PM >>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] textbooks >>>>> >>>>> Hi nabs, >>>>> >>>>> I am having a hard time trying to find some of my books for the fall >>>>> semester. I am lacking an Little Brown Handbook, Principles of >>>>> Accounting, and Calculus and And it's Applications. I have already >>>>> searched Learning Ally, Bookshare, and Project Gootenberg. Does >>>>> anybody have anymore suggestions on where I can find these textbooks. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for any help, >>>>> Tamika Williams >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/twilliams.jaguars%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Mary Fernandez >> Emory 2012 >> "A pioneer is not someone who makes her own soap. She is one who takes >> up her burdens and walks toward the future." >> -- >> Laurel Thatcher Ulrich >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/twilliams.jaguars%40gmail.com > From bpollpeter at hotmail.com Tue Aug 21 02:20:25 2012 From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 21:20:25 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Please read my Live Well blog In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello, It's been quite some time, but alas I have a new blog on Live Well Nebraska. Check it out at: http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/2012/08/20/infection-is-hiccup-for-pre gnant-perfectionist/ I blog about my recent round of cellulitis and how I feel disappointed in myself for not avoiding this illness, though this perfectionist ideal is a flawed mindset. Thanks for those reading, and we are literally in the final countdown for Baby P's arrival. Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog at: http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ "History is not what happened; history is what was written down." The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan From dandrews at visi.com Tue Aug 21 08:04:21 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 03:04:21 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Announcing the 2012 NFBN Scholarship Program Message-ID: > >The National Federation of the Blind of Nebraska is pleased to >announce the 2012 NFBN Scholarship Program and the immediate release >of its application form. This scholarship program affords five >finalists the opportunity to attend an all expense paid trip to the >NFBN state convention in Kearney on October 12th through the 14th, >and the chance to compete for one of five scholarships awarded by >the state affiliate and various chapters and divisions, from within >the NFB of Nebraska. The National Federation of the Blind of >Nebraska will be awarding a $1000 scholarship. In addition, the >National Federation of the Blind Lincoln and Omaha Chapters, along >with the Nebraska Association of Blind Students will be presenting >scholarship awards. Anyone who has ever attended an NFBN convention >will be proud to attest to its ability to be a positive, life >changing experience. > >Any Nebraska student who is blind or visually impaired and who will >be attending a post secondary institution and is interested in >securing an application for the 2012 NFBN Scholarship Program may >obtain one by visiting the National Federation of the Blind of >Nebraska website at www.ne.nfb.org or by contacting the Scholarship >committee Chairman. Shane Buresh, 402-465-5468, e-mail: >scholarship at ne.nfb.org. For your convenience the form is both >attached and pasted below. > > We hope to see applications from many of you and to see > every one of you in Kearney for the 2012 state convention. > >Cordially yours, > > > >Scholarship Program Chairman Shane Buresh > > >National Federation of the Blind of Nebraska >2012 Scholarship Application Form > > > >Name: _______________________________________________________ > >Date of Birth: ______________________ > >Home Address: _____________________________________________________________ > >School Address: _____________________________________________________________ > >Primary Phone: _______________Secondary Phone: ____________________ > >Email Address: _________________________________________________ > >List all post secondary institutions attended: > > > > > > > > >Grade Point Average (GPA): ____________ > >Attach the following: > >(1) A letter telling us about your educational plans, vocational >goals, and awards. Tell us about yourself and how you deal with >situations involving your blindness. How will our scholarship help you? > >(2) A copy of all your transcripts. > > > > >Continue To Page 2 > > > > > >(3) Two letters of recommendation. > >(4) Contact the NFBN Scholarship Chairman, Shane Buresh, or the NFBN >State President, Amy Buresh, (see contact information at the bottom >of this form) to notify him or her of your intention to apply for >the scholarship. Following your conversation, request that either >the president or chairman write a note to the scholarship committee >on your behalf. Failure to complete this or any of the previously >requested items in this process will disqualify your application and >eliminate you from consideration. > >(5) Your completed application and attachments must be sent both >electronically and through the U.S. mail. Please insure that your >hardcopy materials are postmarked by September 15, 2012. > >Send to: Shane Buresh >NFBN Scholarship Chairman >6210 Walker Avenue >Lincoln, NE 68507 > >Email to: scholarship at ne.nfb.org > >NOTE: The first place winner will be awarded a scholarship in the >amount of $1000 from the NFBN. The Omaha and Lincoln chapters of >the NFBN, along with the Nebraska Association of Blind Students, >will award four additional scholarships to the remaining finalists. > >In order to be considered for any of the scholarships, finalists are >REQUIRED to attend an all expense paid trip to the National >Federation of the Blind of Nebraska State Convention to be held in >Kearney, NE on October 12th, 13th and 14th. > >If you have any questions, please feel free to contact: >Shane Buresh, Scholarship Chairman >(402) 465-5468, E-mail: >scholarship at ne.nfb.org or >Amy Buresh, President, NFBN >(402) 477-7711, E-mail: president at ne.nfb.org > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: NFBN Scholarship Form 2012.doc Type: application/msword Size: 30720 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dandrews at visi.com Tue Aug 21 09:53:17 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 04:53:17 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Announcing Sendero GPS 2012.5 with the new "EZ" and "XL" modes Message-ID: > > >Announcing Sendero GPS 2012.5 with the new "EZ" and "XL" modes > > > >Roseville, California, August 20, 2012 > > >Sendero GPS is known as the Cadillac or Rolls Royce of accessible >GPS products, a result of input from blind users over the past >twelve years. The new Sendero GPS "EZ" version combines an >easy-to-use simple interface with the richness and power of the >Sendero GPS technology. For example, the most popular functions are >grouped in a short menu and the less common functions are only >available in the full Version of the software. > >This new "EZ" version is also "EZ" on the pocket-book. The MSRP for >the software and maps is $498, one third the price of a complete GPS >package. The EZ version does not include Virtual Mode or map >updates, which can be purchased separately along with a memory card >and GPS receiver. You can always update later to the full Sendero >GPS XL version once you have mastered the basics. > >The "EZ" mode is also available in the complete Sendero GPS product >with what we now call the XL mode. "XL" includes all the Sendero GPS >features you have come to know like the Virtual Exploration mode, >manual route recording, Replay User POI recording, 2 years of >upgrades and the list goes on. The process of connecting to the GPS >receiver has been made easier in both modes. > > > >BrailleNote customers can learn the details about new features and >modes by going to: >http://senderogroup.com/products/GPS/v2012changes.htm > >Sense Navigation customers go to: > >http://senderogroup.com/support/SenseNav/Sense%20Navigation%20Changes.htm > > > > >For those who have a Sendero GPS 2012 license, just use F3 in >Sendero Maps to download the update or go to: >http://www.GoSendero.com. > > > >If you would like to try v2012 before you buy, download the Trial >Version, >http://senderogroup.com/products/GPS/testdrive.asp, >for your BrailleNote. You will have access to all countries we >currently support for the 30 days, after which you can purchase a >full version, opt for the Pay-As-You-Go payment plan, or uninstall >the 30 day trial version and re-install your old version of Sendero >GPS. To purchase, call Sendero toll free, 1-888-757-6810 or purchase >online at >http://senderogroup.com/products/shop.htm#GPS. > > > > From dandrews at visi.com Tue Aug 21 09:58:22 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 04:58:22 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] O&M Instructor, two Positions, Sacramento Message-ID: Job Title: Orientation & Mobility Instructor II Classification: Non-Exempt/Full-Time Reports to: Daily Living Skills Team Lead Society for the Blind is currently seeking qualified candidates to fill a position of Orientation & Mobility Instructor II. Our mission is to empower individuals who are blind or have low vision to live productively and independently by building confidence through training, tools and mentorship. Society for the Blind is a 501c3 organization serving Northern California, with a focus on Sacramento, Placer and Yolo counties. General Description: The essential function of the job is to teach clients how to maneuver and utilize Orientation & Mobility aids, methods and services intended to assist in the development of the client's independence and personal skills. Duties: Instruction: 1. Provide instruction in Orientation & Mobility to clients using the standard methods and techniques of the long cane. 2. Instruct clients in the use of certified low vision and electric mobility aids. 3. Provide instruction in problem solving, direction finding and structured discovery of the travel environment. 4. Orient clients to their physical environment through maximum development and utilization of their remaining senses. 5. Conduct training on city streets. Instruction is to include, but not limited to the use of public transportation, escalators, elevators, revolving doors and other features found in traveling. 6. Prepare tactual and auditory maps and instruct clients in their proper use. * Evaluate clients' functional, physical and mental capabilities, as related to mobility and orientation. * Determine individual clients' need for physical conditioning. * Stay current in areas of responsibility. * Address and conduct workshops for interested groups as requested. Documentation 1. Maintain thorough, complete and timely ongoing weekly and monthly record keeping of client services; including, but not limited to case notes, lesson notes, evaluations, progress reports, and correspondence. Team building and Networking * Present client issues to supervisor and contribute to ongoing problem solving of such issues while maintaining appropriate confidentiality. 2. Consult with other professionals, family members or other appropriate parties regarding the progress and problems of the clients. 3. Participate in individual case conferences and confer regularly with program staff on multi-disciplinary service team concerning client's program and adjustment to blindness or vision loss. * Maintain positive and professional relations with counselors of Department of Rehabilitation and other agencies as well as Society clients, staff, and volunteers. * Coordinate effective client service with third-party counselors, such as Department of Rehabilitation. Other Duties: * Attend all staff and department meetings * Adhere to all Society policies and procedures * Obtain training to enhance job requirements * Other duties as required Qualifications: 1. A minimum of two years working experience. * Master's Degree in appropriate field. * Applicants must be graduates from either: AER-certified institutions or O&M programs sponsored by the U.S. Rehabilitation Services Administration (RSA). * Certification/certifiability from one of RSA approved certifying bodies required * Excellent writing skills- English grammar and usage. * Excellent verbal communication skills. * Good computer skills. MS Office programs- Word, Excel, and Outlook & Internet Explorer. To Apply Submit cover letter and resume by email to Diane Starin, Daily Living Skills Team Lead at dstarin at societyfortheblind.org NO PHONE CALLS PLEASE! Application's deadline: Until the position is filled. From dandrews at visi.com Tue Aug 21 10:03:06 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 05:03:06 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Assistive Technology Instructor Job Opening Sacramento Message-ID: Job Title: Adaptive Technology Instructor V Classification: Non-Exempt/Full-Time Reports to: Adaptive Technology Team Lead Society for the Blind is currently seeking a qualified individual as an Adaptive Technology Instructor V. Our mission is to empower individuals who are blind or have low vision to live productively and independently by building confidence through training, tools and mentorship. Society for the Blind is a 501c3 organization serving Northern California, with a focus on Sacramento, Placer and Yolo counties. General Description: The essential functions of the job are to teach all aspects of adapted computer and rehabilitation technology use to Society clients, to maintain expertise in all instructed programs and upgrades, and be a motivated team player to teach blind students computer skills using adaptive equipment and techniques to enhance computer competence and effectiveness, especially in employment settings. Duties: Teaching * Instruct small group or individual classes in adaptive computing for blind and visually impaired clients. * Assess and evaluate clients as to appropriate instructional modality and needs. * Consistently achieve high level of excellence in both instruction and productivity. * Coordinate closely with the Adaptive Technology Team Lead and Core Programs Manager to arrange for maximum hours of client service and instruction. * Ensure that software and hardware are in good working condition for teaching. * Create manuals and tutorials which will assist clients to progress in learning curriculum. * Create, update, and revise curriculum as needed, with all related materials for submission to the Adaptive Technology Team Lead. * Develop new projects as assigned and as related to access technology with emphasis on both excellent client service and increased revenue production. Documentation 1. Maintain thorough, complete and timely ongoing weekly and monthly recordkeeping of client services; including, but not limited to case notes, lesson notes, evaluations, progress reports, and correspondence. Team building and Networking * Present client issues to supervisor and contribute to ongoing problem solving of such issues while maintaining appropriate confidentiality. 2. Consult with other professionals, family members or other appropriate parties regarding the progress and problems of the clients. 3. Participate in individual case conferences and confer regularly with program staff on multi-disciplinary service team concerning client's program and adjustment to blindness or vision loss. * Maintain positive and professional relations with counselors of Department of Rehabilitation and other agencies as well as Society clients, staff, and volunteers. * Coordinate effective client service with third-party counselors, such as Department of Rehabilitation. Others: * Maintain positive and professional relationship with SFTB clients, staff and volunteers. * Attend all staff and department meetings. * Adhere to all Society policies and procedures. * Obtain training to enhance job requirements. * Stay current in areas of responsibility. * Other duties as requested or as need is assessed. Qualifications: 1. Highly skilled in current operating systems, especially current Windows, with a particular emphasis on mastery of all alternative keyboard commands to replace mouse use. 2. Expertise in at least one major screen review program such as JAWS or Window-Eyes and familiarity with a second. 3. Expertise in Microsoft Office Programs including MS Word, MS Excel, MS Outlook & MS Internet Explorer required. 4. Familiarity with ZoomText (all levels) desirable. 5. Effective communication skills. 6. Excellent organizational and time management skills. 7. Ability to work individually or as part of a team. 8. Understanding of blindness and some proficiency in non-visual techniques. * Knowledge of, belief in and adherence to the agency's mission and vision Educational and Experience Requirements: 10. High school diploma or G.E.D. * Minimum two years working experience. To Apply Submit your resume and a cover letter via email to Karen Ankeny, Adaptive Technology Team Lead at kankeny at societyfortheblind.org . No phone calls please! Application's deadline: Until the position is filled. From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com Tue Aug 21 14:08:00 2012 From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (aleeha dudley) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:08:00 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed Message-ID: <8E4FE3A0-6F7F-44A2-96FF-B4194D0D87AC@gmail.com> I was wondering if any of you have taken 300 level foreign language classes and if so, how did you keep track of all that is happening in the class? I am finding it difficult to read the class notes on my laptop, take my own notes on my Braillenote apex, and also try to comprehend what the instructor is saying since it is all in Spanish. Let me know what you think. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Aleeha Dudley President, Ohio Association of Blind Students Changing what it means to be blind From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Aug 21 14:21:42 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:21:42 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed In-Reply-To: <8E4FE3A0-6F7F-44A2-96FF-B4194D0D87AC@gmail.com> References: <8E4FE3A0-6F7F-44A2-96FF-B4194D0D87AC@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001cd7fa8$4af3fe30$e0dbfa90$@gmail.com> Hi Aleha, Is it possible for you to put the class notes on your BrailleNote instead of your laptop? You can then go back and forth between the class's notes and your own using the space with the ou contraction (1-2-5-6.) This is what I do in my Spanish classes. Hope this helps, Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of aleeha dudley Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 10:08 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed I was wondering if any of you have taken 300 level foreign language classes and if so, how did you keep track of all that is happening in the class? I am finding it difficult to read the class notes on my laptop, take my own notes on my Braillenote apex, and also try to comprehend what the instructor is saying since it is all in Spanish. Let me know what you think. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Aleeha Dudley President, Ohio Association of Blind Students Changing what it means to be blind _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com Tue Aug 21 14:38:54 2012 From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (aleeha dudley) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:38:54 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed In-Reply-To: <000001cd7fa8$4af3fe30$e0dbfa90$@gmail.com> References: <8E4FE3A0-6F7F-44A2-96FF-B4194D0D87AC@gmail.com> <000001cd7fa8$4af3fe30$e0dbfa90$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <113A7500-4824-460D-A4AB-4C013F681258@gmail.com> Hi Chris, I have tried this before. The only problem with that is that I have to take some information from the power point or other such materials and put it in my notes. I find that switching between documents and using the block commands is too slow for college classes and I feel like I am losing new information while I am doing this. Thanks for the suggestion, though. Aleeha Dudley President, Ohio Association of Blind Students Changing what it means to be blind On Aug 21, 2012, at 10:21 AM, "Chris Nusbaum" wrote: > Hi Aleha, > > Is it possible for you to put the class notes on your BrailleNote instead of > your laptop? You can then go back and forth between the class's notes and > your own using the space with the ou contraction (1-2-5-6.) This is what I > do in my Spanish classes. > > Hope this helps, > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of aleeha dudley > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 10:08 AM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed > > I was wondering if any of you have taken 300 level foreign language classes > and if so, how did you keep track of all that is happening in the class? I > am finding it difficult to read the class notes on my laptop, take my own > notes on my Braillenote apex, and also try to comprehend what the instructor > is saying since it is all in Spanish. Let me know what you think. Any ideas > would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks, > > > > > > Aleeha Dudley > President, Ohio Association of Blind Students Changing what it means to be > blind _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Aug 21 14:54:36 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:54:36 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Please read my Live Well blog In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000b01cd7fac$e2d191a0$a874b4e0$@gmail.com> Hi Bridgit, Wonderful news!! Congratulations on the baby, and I look forward to hearing when the baby is born! Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 10:20 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Please read my Live Well blog Hello, It's been quite some time, but alas I have a new blog on Live Well Nebraska. Check it out at: http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/2012/08/20/infection-is-hiccup-for-pre gnant-perfectionist/ I blog about my recent round of cellulitis and how I feel disappointed in myself for not avoiding this illness, though this perfectionist ideal is a flawed mindset. Thanks for those reading, and we are literally in the final countdown for Baby P's arrival. Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog at: http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ "History is not what happened; history is what was written down." The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Aug 21 15:04:24 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 11:04:24 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Meeting tonight In-Reply-To: <6B4FCD40-94DF-4FC0-92B3-07467C83189B@gmail.com> References: <005901cd7e39$bb770eb0$32652c10$@gmail.com> <4E0D6F2A-F83C-4FC3-8018-33E0BD5A41E5@gmail.com> <007e01cd7e42$e74e92c0$b5ebb840$@gmail.com> <6B4FCD40-94DF-4FC0-92B3-07467C83189B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <001701cd7fae$41423ef0$c3c6bcd0$@gmail.com> I'm sorry I missed it. Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lavonya Gardner Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 6:52 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Meeting tonight I got to give a talk.In April Sent from my iPad On Aug 19, 2012, at 15:43, "Chris Nusbaum" wrote: > Hi Lavonya, > > I am a member of the Greater Baltimore chapter! I don't get to many of > the meetings, though, as I live up in Carroll County, about an hour > away from the national center, and transportation is sometimes hard to > come by. I thought your name sounded familiar from somewhere! > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Lavonya Gardner > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 6:28 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Meeting tonight > > R u apart of the Baltimoo chapter? I am. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Aug 19, 2012, at 14:37, "Chris Nusbaum" wrote: > >> Hi Lavonya, >> >> The phone number is 712-775-7100 and the passcode is 257963. >> >> Hope this helps, >> >> Chris >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf Of Lavonya Gardner >> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 5:14 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] Meeting tonight >> >> What is the pass code for h meeting at 7?.thanks >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40 >> g >> mail.c >> om >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40g >> m >> ail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40g > mail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gm > ail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Aug 21 15:12:38 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 11:12:38 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed In-Reply-To: <113A7500-4824-460D-A4AB-4C013F681258@gmail.com> References: <8E4FE3A0-6F7F-44A2-96FF-B4194D0D87AC@gmail.com> <000001cd7fa8$4af3fe30$e0dbfa90$@gmail.com> <113A7500-4824-460D-A4AB-4C013F681258@gmail.com> Message-ID: <001801cd7faf$67f0efa0$37d2cee0$@gmail.com> Hi Aleha, I'm sorry, then, as I have no other ideas. Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of aleeha dudley Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 10:39 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed Hi Chris, I have tried this before. The only problem with that is that I have to take some information from the power point or other such materials and put it in my notes. I find that switching between documents and using the block commands is too slow for college classes and I feel like I am losing new information while I am doing this. Thanks for the suggestion, though. Aleeha Dudley President, Ohio Association of Blind Students Changing what it means to be blind On Aug 21, 2012, at 10:21 AM, "Chris Nusbaum" wrote: > Hi Aleha, > > Is it possible for you to put the class notes on your BrailleNote > instead of your laptop? You can then go back and forth between the > class's notes and your own using the space with the ou contraction > (1-2-5-6.) This is what I do in my Spanish classes. > > Hope this helps, > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of aleeha dudley > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 10:08 AM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed > > I was wondering if any of you have taken 300 level foreign language > classes and if so, how did you keep track of all that is happening in > the class? I am finding it difficult to read the class notes on my > laptop, take my own notes on my Braillenote apex, and also try to > comprehend what the instructor is saying since it is all in Spanish. > Let me know what you think. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks, > > > > > > Aleeha Dudley > President, Ohio Association of Blind Students Changing what it means > to be blind _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40g > mail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%4 > 0gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Aug 21 15:34:54 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 11:34:54 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: New Membership Benefits: Renew Today! 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Then, at a later date, go back into your notes and edit them using the actual notes from the professor. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 21, 2012, at 11:12 AM, "Chris Nusbaum" wrote: > Hi Aleha, > > I'm sorry, then, as I have no other ideas. > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of aleeha dudley > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 10:39 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed > > Hi Chris, > I have tried this before. The only problem with that is that I have to take > some information from the power point or other such materials and put it in > my notes. I find that switching between documents and using the block > commands is too slow for college classes and I feel like I am losing new > information while I am doing this. Thanks for the suggestion, though. > > Aleeha Dudley > President, Ohio Association of Blind Students Changing what it means to be > blind > > On Aug 21, 2012, at 10:21 AM, "Chris Nusbaum" > wrote: > >> Hi Aleha, >> >> Is it possible for you to put the class notes on your BrailleNote >> instead of your laptop? You can then go back and forth between the >> class's notes and your own using the space with the ou contraction >> (1-2-5-6.) This is what I do in my Spanish classes. >> >> Hope this helps, >> >> Chris >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf Of aleeha dudley >> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 10:08 AM >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed >> >> I was wondering if any of you have taken 300 level foreign language >> classes and if so, how did you keep track of all that is happening in >> the class? I am finding it difficult to read the class notes on my >> laptop, take my own notes on my Braillenote apex, and also try to >> comprehend what the instructor is saying since it is all in Spanish. >> Let me know what you think. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> >> >> Aleeha Dudley >> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students Changing what it means >> to be blind _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40g >> mail.c >> om >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%4 >> 0gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com From kobycox at gmail.com Tue Aug 21 15:47:10 2012 From: kobycox at gmail.com (Koby Cox) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:47:10 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Black board question Message-ID: <5033ad81.ea0a3c0a.2d8a.2c4a@mx.google.com> Hello all, Is blackboard accessible with JAWS? Is there a way to make it accessible with JAWS? Right back soon, Koby. From ptrck.molloy at gmail.com Tue Aug 21 15:54:43 2012 From: ptrck.molloy at gmail.com (Patrick Molloy) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 11:54:43 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Black board question In-Reply-To: <5033ad81.ea0a3c0a.2d8a.2c4a@mx.google.com> References: <5033ad81.ea0a3c0a.2d8a.2c4a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Koby, As far as I know, Blackboard isn't accessible with JAWS. It can work, but it's difficult. Newer versions of Blackboard are "better," but that's not saying much. On the other hand, Moodle, which is similar in nature to Blackboard, is more accessible. The best workaround I've found is to just have your professors e-mail things. Patrick On 8/21/12, Koby Cox wrote: > Hello all, > Is blackboard accessible with JAWS? Is there a way to make it > accessible with JAWS? > Right back soon, > Koby. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com > From philso1003 at gmail.com Tue Aug 21 15:55:12 2012 From: philso1003 at gmail.com (Philip S) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 11:55:12 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Internship in marketing, public relations, advertising, communications, media Message-ID: Hi group, I am interested in knowing if anyone here is considering or has thought about a career in marketing, advertising, public relations, or communications. If you have done work in these fields, what kind of work/internship was it and how was your experience? If you have never worked in these fields, what kind of support would you like to receive to help you land an internship? I have graduated from college and am working full time in marketing. I am wondering if something like a mentoring program connecting students to professionals in these fields would be valuable for you guys. What sort of things would you like to see in such a program? Thanks. Phil From troubleclark at gmail.com Tue Aug 21 16:01:01 2012 From: troubleclark at gmail.com (Nathan Clark) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 12:01:01 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Black board question In-Reply-To: References: <5033ad81.ea0a3c0a.2d8a.2c4a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Deal all, I am a college student and I know for a fact that Blackboard is accessible with Jaws. I used to work for my college as a consultant to make sure their Blackboard site was useable. However, I will admit that the Discussion Board feature is a little tricky to navigate around. Sincerely, Nathan Clark On 8/21/12, Patrick Molloy wrote: > Koby, > As far as I know, Blackboard isn't accessible with JAWS. It can work, > but it's difficult. Newer versions of Blackboard are "better," but > that's not saying much. On the other hand, Moodle, which is similar in > nature to Blackboard, is more accessible. The best workaround I've > found is to just have your professors e-mail things. > Patrick > > On 8/21/12, Koby Cox wrote: >> Hello all, >> Is blackboard accessible with JAWS? Is there a way to make it >> accessible with JAWS? >> Right back soon, >> Koby. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark%40gmail.com > From trillian551 at gmail.com Tue Aug 21 16:04:30 2012 From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 12:04:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Black board question In-Reply-To: References: <5033ad81.ea0a3c0a.2d8a.2c4a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hello All, Blackboard 9.0 and later is fully accessible with JAWS. The only reason why BB wouldn't work with Jaws is if your school doesn't use the latest version. But, if they do, you should be fine. I used it with Firefox, Safari and Internet Explorer, and they all worked pretty well, though I do prefer Firefox. There is a great accessibility link that will give you keyboard shortcuts. When you can't read PDFs that your professors put up, that's not a blackboard issue, that just means that they didn't OCR their documents so Jaws can't read it. Good luck and let me know if you have any further questions. Mary On 8/21/12, Patrick Molloy wrote: > Koby, > As far as I know, Blackboard isn't accessible with JAWS. It can work, > but it's difficult. Newer versions of Blackboard are "better," but > that's not saying much. On the other hand, Moodle, which is similar in > nature to Blackboard, is more accessible. The best workaround I've > found is to just have your professors e-mail things. > Patrick > > On 8/21/12, Koby Cox wrote: >> Hello all, >> Is blackboard accessible with JAWS? Is there a way to make it >> accessible with JAWS? >> Right back soon, >> Koby. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com > -- Mary Fernandez Emory 2012 "A pioneer is not someone who makes her own soap. She is one who takes up her burdens and walks toward the future." -- Laurel Thatcher Ulrich From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com Tue Aug 21 16:10:03 2012 From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (aleeha dudley) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 12:10:03 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed In-Reply-To: <6FF1A9DA-0894-4692-AAEF-7BE2D1BEAB77@gmail.com> References: <8E4FE3A0-6F7F-44A2-96FF-B4194D0D87AC@gmail.com> <000001cd7fa8$4af3fe30$e0dbfa90$@gmail.com> <113A7500-4824-460D-A4AB-4C013F681258@gmail.com> <001801cd7faf$67f0efa0$37d2cee0$@gmail.com> <6FF1A9DA-0894-4692-AAEF-7BE2D1BEAB77@gmail.com> Message-ID: The professor does not read the slides out loud, only what she writes on the board. Aleeha Dudley President, Ohio Association of Blind Students Changing what it means to be blind On Aug 21, 2012, at 11:39 AM, Hope Paulos wrote: > Ask the professor if you can record the class. Also, just professor read out the PowerPoint slides? If so, just try to copy the slides from what the professor is saying Oralee. Then, at a later date, go back into your notes and edit them using the actual notes from the professor. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 21, 2012, at 11:12 AM, "Chris Nusbaum" wrote: > >> Hi Aleha, >> >> I'm sorry, then, as I have no other ideas. >> >> Chris >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >> Of aleeha dudley >> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 10:39 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed >> >> Hi Chris, >> I have tried this before. The only problem with that is that I have to take >> some information from the power point or other such materials and put it in >> my notes. I find that switching between documents and using the block >> commands is too slow for college classes and I feel like I am losing new >> information while I am doing this. Thanks for the suggestion, though. >> >> Aleeha Dudley >> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students Changing what it means to be >> blind >> >> On Aug 21, 2012, at 10:21 AM, "Chris Nusbaum" >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Aleha, >>> >>> Is it possible for you to put the class notes on your BrailleNote >>> instead of your laptop? You can then go back and forth between the >>> class's notes and your own using the space with the ou contraction >>> (1-2-5-6.) This is what I do in my Spanish classes. >>> >>> Hope this helps, >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>> Behalf Of aleeha dudley >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 10:08 AM >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed >>> >>> I was wondering if any of you have taken 300 level foreign language >>> classes and if so, how did you keep track of all that is happening in >>> the class? I am finding it difficult to read the class notes on my >>> laptop, take my own notes on my Braillenote apex, and also try to >>> comprehend what the instructor is saying since it is all in Spanish. >>> Let me know what you think. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. >>> Thanks, >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Aleeha Dudley >>> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students Changing what it means >>> to be blind _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40g >>> mail.c >>> om >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%4 >>> 0gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c >> om >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com From laurel.stockard at gmail.com Tue Aug 21 16:33:46 2012 From: laurel.stockard at gmail.com (Laurel) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 11:33:46 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed In-Reply-To: References: <8E4FE3A0-6F7F-44A2-96FF-B4194D0D87AC@gmail.com> <000001cd7fa8$4af3fe30$e0dbfa90$@gmail.com> <113A7500-4824-460D-A4AB-4C013F681258@gmail.com> <001801cd7faf$67f0efa0$37d2cee0$@gmail.com> <6FF1A9DA-0894-4692-AAEF-7BE2D1BEAB77@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hey Aleeha, My name is Laurel. I'm a senior in college and an a foreign language major. I've taken alot of 3000 level classes in different languages, and I think I have a tun of resources that could help you. I'd be happy for you to contact me if you want, my email is laurel.stockard at gmail.com. If you email me, I can give you a number and you can call me if you want and I can help you figure it all out. Laurel and guide dog Stockard On 8/21/12, aleeha dudley wrote: > The professor does not read the slides out loud, only what she writes on the > board. > > Aleeha Dudley > President, Ohio Association of Blind Students > Changing what it means to be blind > > On Aug 21, 2012, at 11:39 AM, Hope Paulos wrote: > >> Ask the professor if you can record the class. Also, just professor read >> out the PowerPoint slides? If so, just try to copy the slides from what >> the professor is saying Oralee. Then, at a later date, go back into your >> notes and edit them using the actual notes from the professor. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Aug 21, 2012, at 11:12 AM, "Chris Nusbaum" >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Aleha, >>> >>> I'm sorry, then, as I have no other ideas. >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>> Behalf >>> Of aleeha dudley >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 10:39 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed >>> >>> Hi Chris, >>> I have tried this before. The only problem with that is that I have to >>> take >>> some information from the power point or other such materials and put it >>> in >>> my notes. I find that switching between documents and using the block >>> commands is too slow for college classes and I feel like I am losing new >>> information while I am doing this. Thanks for the suggestion, though. >>> >>> Aleeha Dudley >>> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students Changing what it means to >>> be >>> blind >>> >>> On Aug 21, 2012, at 10:21 AM, "Chris Nusbaum" >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Aleha, >>>> >>>> Is it possible for you to put the class notes on your BrailleNote >>>> instead of your laptop? You can then go back and forth between the >>>> class's notes and your own using the space with the ou contraction >>>> (1-2-5-6.) This is what I do in my Spanish classes. >>>> >>>> Hope this helps, >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>> Behalf Of aleeha dudley >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 10:08 AM >>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed >>>> >>>> I was wondering if any of you have taken 300 level foreign language >>>> classes and if so, how did you keep track of all that is happening in >>>> the class? I am finding it difficult to read the class notes on my >>>> laptop, take my own notes on my Braillenote apex, and also try to >>>> comprehend what the instructor is saying since it is all in Spanish. >>>> Let me know what you think. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Aleeha Dudley >>>> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students Changing what it means >>>> to be blind _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40g >>>> mail.c >>>> om >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%4 >>>> 0gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c >>> om >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stockard%40gmail.com > From trillian551 at gmail.com Tue Aug 21 16:41:12 2012 From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 12:41:12 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed In-Reply-To: References: <8E4FE3A0-6F7F-44A2-96FF-B4194D0D87AC@gmail.com> <000001cd7fa8$4af3fe30$e0dbfa90$@gmail.com> <113A7500-4824-460D-A4AB-4C013F681258@gmail.com> <001801cd7faf$67f0efa0$37d2cee0$@gmail.com> <6FF1A9DA-0894-4692-AAEF-7BE2D1BEAB77@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Alleha, The first thing you need to do, is ask the professor to read the relevant information on the Powerpoint. This is an easy enough acconmodation that they should make. I took French classes in the 300 level, and I always met with my professors and explained how important it is for them to verbalize the information you need. Through my language classes i made a folder for whatever language it was, and then made files within that folder. So I'd have, conjugations, vocab, general notes, etc. I use a QRTY keyboard braillenote so I just did the control|Z to switch between files. I found that for the most part it wasn't too difficult to keep up with my notes. I didn't really use my laptop for note taking as I found Jaws to be hard to understand in French and Italian. Please let me know if you have further questions. Hope that helps a bit. Mary On 8/21/12, Laurel wrote: > Hey Aleeha, > My name is Laurel. I'm a senior in college and an a foreign language > major. I've taken alot of 3000 level classes in different languages, > and I think I have a tun of resources that could help you. I'd be > happy for you to contact me if you want, my email is > laurel.stockard at gmail.com. If you email me, I can give you a number > and you can call me if you want and I can help you figure it all out. > Laurel and guide dog Stockard > > On 8/21/12, aleeha dudley wrote: >> The professor does not read the slides out loud, only what she writes on >> the >> board. >> >> Aleeha Dudley >> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students >> Changing what it means to be blind >> >> On Aug 21, 2012, at 11:39 AM, Hope Paulos wrote: >> >>> Ask the professor if you can record the class. Also, just professor read >>> out the PowerPoint slides? If so, just try to copy the slides from what >>> the professor is saying Oralee. Then, at a later date, go back into your >>> notes and edit them using the actual notes from the professor. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Aug 21, 2012, at 11:12 AM, "Chris Nusbaum" >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Aleha, >>>> >>>> I'm sorry, then, as I have no other ideas. >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>> Behalf >>>> Of aleeha dudley >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 10:39 AM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed >>>> >>>> Hi Chris, >>>> I have tried this before. The only problem with that is that I have to >>>> take >>>> some information from the power point or other such materials and put >>>> it >>>> in >>>> my notes. I find that switching between documents and using the block >>>> commands is too slow for college classes and I feel like I am losing >>>> new >>>> information while I am doing this. Thanks for the suggestion, though. >>>> >>>> Aleeha Dudley >>>> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students Changing what it means to >>>> be >>>> blind >>>> >>>> On Aug 21, 2012, at 10:21 AM, "Chris Nusbaum" >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Aleha, >>>>> >>>>> Is it possible for you to put the class notes on your BrailleNote >>>>> instead of your laptop? You can then go back and forth between the >>>>> class's notes and your own using the space with the ou contraction >>>>> (1-2-5-6.) This is what I do in my Spanish classes. >>>>> >>>>> Hope this helps, >>>>> >>>>> Chris >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>> Behalf Of aleeha dudley >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 10:08 AM >>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed >>>>> >>>>> I was wondering if any of you have taken 300 level foreign language >>>>> classes and if so, how did you keep track of all that is happening in >>>>> the class? I am finding it difficult to read the class notes on my >>>>> laptop, take my own notes on my Braillenote apex, and also try to >>>>> comprehend what the instructor is saying since it is all in Spanish. >>>>> Let me know what you think. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Aleeha Dudley >>>>> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students Changing what it means >>>>> to be blind _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40g >>>>> mail.c >>>>> om >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%4 >>>>> 0gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c >>>> om >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stockard%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com > -- Mary Fernandez Emory 2012 "A pioneer is not someone who makes her own soap. She is one who takes up her burdens and walks toward the future." -- Laurel Thatcher Ulrich From brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com Tue Aug 21 16:48:32 2012 From: brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com (Brandon Keith Biggs) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 09:48:32 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Black board question In-Reply-To: <5033ad81.ea0a3c0a.2d8a.2c4a@mx.google.com> References: <5033ad81.ea0a3c0a.2d8a.2c4a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hello, CSU made it a major point at the NFB convention that all their classes and websites were accessible. They use blackboard, so I would guess that it must be. I've already found a couple inaccessible things on CSU's website, so I've been giving them an ear full. Thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs -----Original Message----- From: Koby Cox Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 8:47 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Black board question Hello all, Is blackboard accessible with JAWS? Is there a way to make it accessible with JAWS? Right back soon, Koby. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com From kobycox at gmail.com Tue Aug 21 17:12:04 2012 From: kobycox at gmail.com (Koby Cox) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 12:12:04 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Black board question Message-ID: <5033c166.2610b60a.348e.3388@mx.google.com> Patrick, They are refusing to do so. Koby. ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick Molloy wrote: Hello all, Is blackboard accessible with JAWS? Is there a way to make it accessible with JAWS? Right back soon, Koby. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% 40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gma il.com From ptrck.molloy at gmail.com Tue Aug 21 17:22:18 2012 From: ptrck.molloy at gmail.com (Patrick Molloy) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 13:22:18 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Black board question In-Reply-To: <5033c166.2610b60a.348e.3388@mx.google.com> References: <5033c166.2610b60a.348e.3388@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Have they given a reason why they won't do that? If they are uploading things to Blackboard, then they already have electronic copies of the documents. Maybe talk to your disabilities office and tell them what's going on. They might be able to talk to the professors for you and solve the problem. On 8/21/12, Koby Cox wrote: > Patrick, > They are refusing to do so. > Koby. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Patrick Molloy To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 11:54:43 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Black board question > > Koby, > As far as I know, Blackboard isn't accessible with JAWS. It can > work, > but it's difficult. Newer versions of Blackboard are "better," > but > that's not saying much. On the other hand, Moodle, which is > similar in > nature to Blackboard, is more accessible. The best workaround > I've > found is to just have your professors e-mail things. > Patrick > > On 8/21/12, Koby Cox wrote: > Hello all, > Is blackboard accessible with JAWS? Is there a way to make it > accessible with JAWS? > Right back soon, > Koby. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% > 40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gma > il.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com > From troubleclark at gmail.com Tue Aug 21 18:29:09 2012 From: troubleclark at gmail.com (Nathan Clark) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 14:29:09 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Black board question In-Reply-To: References: <5033c166.2610b60a.348e.3388@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Dear all, Blackboard is user friendly to the blind. I worked for my college's blackboard staff for almost two semesters and it is good. The only part you may have problems is with the Discussion Board. However, I don't know exactly know what version my school is running but I like how Jaws navigates around the site. Sincerely, Nathan Clark On 8/21/12, Patrick Molloy wrote: > Have they given a reason why they won't do that? If they are uploading > things to Blackboard, then they already have electronic copies of the > documents. Maybe talk to your disabilities office and tell them what's > going on. They might be able to talk to the professors for you and > solve the problem. > > On 8/21/12, Koby Cox wrote: >> Patrick, >> They are refusing to do so. >> Koby. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Patrick Molloy > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 11:54:43 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Black board question >> >> Koby, >> As far as I know, Blackboard isn't accessible with JAWS. It can >> work, >> but it's difficult. Newer versions of Blackboard are "better," >> but >> that's not saying much. On the other hand, Moodle, which is >> similar in >> nature to Blackboard, is more accessible. The best workaround >> I've >> found is to just have your professors e-mail things. >> Patrick >> >> On 8/21/12, Koby Cox wrote: >> Hello all, >> Is blackboard accessible with JAWS? Is there a way to make it >> accessible with JAWS? >> Right back soon, >> Koby. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% >> 40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gma >> il.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark%40gmail.com > From kaybaycar at gmail.com Tue Aug 21 19:09:48 2012 From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 14:09:48 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed In-Reply-To: References: <8E4FE3A0-6F7F-44A2-96FF-B4194D0D87AC@gmail.com> <000001cd7fa8$4af3fe30$e0dbfa90$@gmail.com> <113A7500-4824-460D-A4AB-4C013F681258@gmail.com> <001801cd7faf$67f0efa0$37d2cee0$@gmail.com> <6FF1A9DA-0894-4692-AAEF-7BE2D1BEAB77@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Aleeha. I have been taking 3000 German classes since my freshman year and have felt the same things. It is hard to keep up with the others, especially if you have to use so many divices. To be honest, I am still working on a "best" way to take notes and keep up in a foreign language class. But here is what I've found. Try your hardest to get all the handouts in advance--whether they are powerpoints, group activities, or stories. If you get them in advance you can decide if it is something you need to put on your braille note so you can follow along with the rest of the class or on the computer. If it helps, I would even recommend embossing handouts. I have always found hard copy braille to be easiest to deal with in a foreign language class. Of course, this may not be your preference. Also, keep ahead; do the readings if possible, so you can take your own notes and don't have to rely on your professor so much. Another thing you can do is read through the powerpoints ahead of class or even after and include the information you want into your own notes. Talk to your professor. Tell her how you learn. If you are having trouble keeping up in class, something needs to be done. It's amazing what you can miss in a foreign language class if you don't have the handouts along with the others. On 8/21/12, Mary Fernandez wrote: > Hi Alleha, > The first thing you need to do, is ask the professor to read the > relevant information on the Powerpoint. This is an easy enough > acconmodation that they should make. > I took French classes in the 300 level, and I always met with my > professors and explained how important it is for them to verbalize the > information you need. Through my language classes i made a folder for > whatever language it was, and then made files within that folder. So > I'd have, conjugations, vocab, general notes, etc. I use a QRTY > keyboard braillenote so I just did the control|Z to switch between > files. I found that for the most part it wasn't too difficult to keep > up with my notes. I didn't really use my laptop for note taking as I > found Jaws to be hard to understand in French and Italian. Please let > me know if you have further questions. Hope that helps a bit. > Mary > > On 8/21/12, Laurel wrote: >> Hey Aleeha, >> My name is Laurel. I'm a senior in college and an a foreign language >> major. I've taken alot of 3000 level classes in different languages, >> and I think I have a tun of resources that could help you. I'd be >> happy for you to contact me if you want, my email is >> laurel.stockard at gmail.com. If you email me, I can give you a number >> and you can call me if you want and I can help you figure it all out. >> Laurel and guide dog Stockard >> >> On 8/21/12, aleeha dudley wrote: >>> The professor does not read the slides out loud, only what she writes on >>> the >>> board. >>> >>> Aleeha Dudley >>> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students >>> Changing what it means to be blind >>> >>> On Aug 21, 2012, at 11:39 AM, Hope Paulos wrote: >>> >>>> Ask the professor if you can record the class. Also, just professor >>>> read >>>> out the PowerPoint slides? If so, just try to copy the slides from what >>>> the professor is saying Oralee. Then, at a later date, go back into >>>> your >>>> notes and edit them using the actual notes from the professor. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Aug 21, 2012, at 11:12 AM, "Chris Nusbaum" >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Aleha, >>>>> >>>>> I'm sorry, then, as I have no other ideas. >>>>> >>>>> Chris >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>> Behalf >>>>> Of aleeha dudley >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 10:39 AM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed >>>>> >>>>> Hi Chris, >>>>> I have tried this before. The only problem with that is that I have to >>>>> take >>>>> some information from the power point or other such materials and put >>>>> it >>>>> in >>>>> my notes. I find that switching between documents and using the block >>>>> commands is too slow for college classes and I feel like I am losing >>>>> new >>>>> information while I am doing this. Thanks for the suggestion, though. >>>>> >>>>> Aleeha Dudley >>>>> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students Changing what it means >>>>> to >>>>> be >>>>> blind >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 21, 2012, at 10:21 AM, "Chris Nusbaum" >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Aleha, >>>>>> >>>>>> Is it possible for you to put the class notes on your BrailleNote >>>>>> instead of your laptop? You can then go back and forth between the >>>>>> class's notes and your own using the space with the ou contraction >>>>>> (1-2-5-6.) This is what I do in my Spanish classes. >>>>>> >>>>>> Hope this helps, >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>>> Behalf Of aleeha dudley >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 10:08 AM >>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed >>>>>> >>>>>> I was wondering if any of you have taken 300 level foreign language >>>>>> classes and if so, how did you keep track of all that is happening in >>>>>> the class? I am finding it difficult to read the class notes on my >>>>>> laptop, take my own notes on my Braillenote apex, and also try to >>>>>> comprehend what the instructor is saying since it is all in Spanish. >>>>>> Let me know what you think. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Aleeha Dudley >>>>>> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students Changing what it means >>>>>> to be blind _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40g >>>>>> mail.c >>>>>> om >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%4 >>>>>> 0gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c >>>>> om >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stockard%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Mary Fernandez > Emory 2012 > "A pioneer is not someone who makes her own soap. She is one who takes > up her burdens and walks toward the future." > -- > Laurel Thatcher Ulrich > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > -- Julie McG Lindbergh High School class of 2009, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri recording secretary, Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, and proud graduate of Guiding Eyes for the Blind "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life." John 3:16 From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Tue Aug 21 20:29:53 2012 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 15:29:53 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed Message-ID: <5033efc3.0888ec0a.5b65.ffffc70e@mx.google.com> Aleeha, what I would do is this situation is get the class notes onto your braillenote if possible. Then, simply add to them and enrich them. This strategy won't work for everyone--some people must take their own notes--but it's what I do for many of my classes. That will eliminate the switching-between-documents problem. HTH, Sophie ----- Original Message ----- From: aleeha dudley wrote: Hi Aleha, Is it possible for you to put the class notes on your BrailleNote instead of your laptop? You can then go back and forth between the class's notes and your own using the space with the ou contraction (1-2-5-6.) This is what I do in my Spanish classes. Hope this helps, Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of aleeha dudley Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 10:08 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed I was wondering if any of you have taken 300 level foreign language classes and if so, how did you keep track of all that is happening in the class? I am finding it difficult to read the class notes on my laptop, take my own notes on my Braillenote apex, and also try to comprehend what the instructor is saying since it is all in Spanish. Let me know what you think. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Aleeha Dudley President, Ohio Association of Blind Students Changing what it means to be blind _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.c om _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1 993%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Tue Aug 21 21:35:59 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 17:35:59 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed In-Reply-To: <001801cd7faf$67f0efa0$37d2cee0$@gmail.com> References: <8E4FE3A0-6F7F-44A2-96FF-B4194D0D87AC@gmail.com> <000001cd7fa8$4af3fe30$e0dbfa90$@gmail.com> <113A7500-4824-460D-A4AB-4C013F681258@gmail.com> <001801cd7faf$67f0efa0$37d2cee0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Aleeda Can u record the class with your Braille notes? Sent from my iPad On Aug 21, 2012, at 11:12, "Chris Nusbaum" wrote: > Hi Aleha, > > I'm sorry, then, as I have no other ideas. > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of aleeha dudley > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 10:39 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed > > Hi Chris, > I have tried this before. The only problem with that is that I have to take > some information from the power point or other such materials and put it in > my notes. I find that switching between documents and using the block > commands is too slow for college classes and I feel like I am losing new > information while I am doing this. Thanks for the suggestion, though. > > Aleeha Dudley > President, Ohio Association of Blind Students Changing what it means to be > blind > > On Aug 21, 2012, at 10:21 AM, "Chris Nusbaum" > wrote: > >> Hi Aleha, >> >> Is it possible for you to put the class notes on your BrailleNote >> instead of your laptop? You can then go back and forth between the >> class's notes and your own using the space with the ou contraction >> (1-2-5-6.) This is what I do in my Spanish classes. >> >> Hope this helps, >> >> Chris >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf Of aleeha dudley >> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 10:08 AM >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed >> >> I was wondering if any of you have taken 300 level foreign language >> classes and if so, how did you keep track of all that is happening in >> the class? I am finding it difficult to read the class notes on my >> laptop, take my own notes on my Braillenote apex, and also try to >> comprehend what the instructor is saying since it is all in Spanish. >> Let me know what you think. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> >> >> Aleeha Dudley >> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students Changing what it means >> to be blind _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40g >> mail.c >> om >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%4 >> 0gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue Aug 21 22:40:53 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 18:40:53 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed In-Reply-To: <8E4FE3A0-6F7F-44A2-96FF-B4194D0D87AC@gmail.com> References: <8E4FE3A0-6F7F-44A2-96FF-B4194D0D87AC@gmail.com> Message-ID: <91DD717C002B41238239FCCD3F1BF699@OwnerPC> Aleeha, Sounds like a handful. I would not be able to read notes on a laptop, take notes and listen at the same time even if it was in english! What teaching style does she use? I only took foreign language in high school; I would not want to try in college due to no braille availability. In high school I was accomodated with hard copy braille and braille texts which was vital to my success; college you have to do auditorily. What I'd suggest is not reading the class notes in class. Do you need to read them for a worksheet or group activity? If so, could someone else read them with you? Sometimes my professors have a study guide but I follow auditorily since I ask the professor to speak out the questions before going over them. If in a group of students, I try and get them to read the handout to me so I can participate. Instead of in class, get any handouts ahead of time and read them. If you feel you need them in class, is it possible to put the handout file on your braille note and switch files from your notes and class notes? Another idea which might be quicker for accessing notes is to emboss the class notes. Do you have an embosser of yours or the schools? I find that i can skim a hard copy document faster than a braille display file. Also recording class might help. Another idea, which many would disagree with, is have a notetaker. Your school should provide a notetaker upon request for you. Languages classes go fast and I think it would be hard to take notes as fast as they go especially when other students can copy notes from the board or slide at their pace and you have to do it right as the teacher talks. HTH, Ashley -----Original Message----- From: aleeha dudley Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 10:08 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed I was wondering if any of you have taken 300 level foreign language classes and if so, how did you keep track of all that is happening in the class? I am finding it difficult to read the class notes on my laptop, take my own notes on my Braillenote apex, and also try to comprehend what the instructor is saying since it is all in Spanish. Let me know what you think. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Aleeha Dudley President, Ohio Association of Blind Students Changing what it means to be blind _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From arielle71 at gmail.com Wed Aug 22 00:00:22 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 18:00:22 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed In-Reply-To: <91DD717C002B41238239FCCD3F1BF699@OwnerPC> References: <8E4FE3A0-6F7F-44A2-96FF-B4194D0D87AC@gmail.com> <91DD717C002B41238239FCCD3F1BF699@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hi Aleeha, I have only taken foreign language up to the 200 level, so feel free to take this with a grain of salt if I am way off-base here. But I am wondering how important it is to read the PowerPoint slides at all. In my experience with college classes, including upper-level science classes, all or virtually all of the critical information was conveyed either out loud during class, or in the textbook/homework assignments. In four and a half years I think I read a PowerPoint once and that was because I missed class. Lest you think I was a slacker, I will say I earned a competitive GPA without reading any PowerPoint slides. On the other side of the coin, when I have given lectures as a teaching assistant or presented research at conferences, I never put things on slides that I don't discuss verbally. I don't read my slides word for word, but the slides serve as an outline to guide the class or conference audience while I verbalize what's important for them to understand. In other words, my spoken presentation is more detailed than my slides. I would never test a class on stuff I put on the PowerPoint that I didn't talk about because I don't think we should test students on how well they can memorize things. Anyway, if your professor doesn't read the PowerPoint slides it could be because that stuff just isn't that important for keeping up with the class. It's great that she reads the board out loud. I think what I would suggest is to concentrate on writing down notes from what she is saying out loud, and then when you are studying by yourself, look at the PowerPoint to see if there's anything else in there that you didn't get from the verbal lecture. I think that strategy is much easier than trying to focus on the PowerPoint and the verbal at the same time, and if you have the PowerPoint on your laptop to study when you aren't rushed, you shouldn't miss anything. Hope that helps, Arielle On 8/21/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Aleeha, > Sounds like a handful. I would not be able to read notes on a laptop, take > notes and listen at the same time even if it was in english! > What teaching style does she use? I only took foreign language in high > school; I would not want to try in college due to no braille availability. > In high school I was accomodated with hard copy braille and braille texts > which was vital to my success; college you have to do auditorily. > > What I'd suggest is not reading the class notes in class. Do you need to > read them for a worksheet or group activity? If so, could someone else read > > them with you? Sometimes my professors have a study guide but I follow > auditorily since I ask the professor to speak out the questions before going > > over them. If in a group of students, I try and get them to read the handout > > to me so I can participate. > Instead of in class, get any handouts ahead of time and read them. If you > feel you need them in class, is it possible to put the handout file on your > > braille note and switch files from your notes and class notes? > > Another idea which might be quicker for accessing notes is to emboss the > class notes. Do you have an embosser of yours or the schools? > I find that i can skim a hard copy document faster than a braille display > file. > Also recording class might help. Another idea, which many would disagree > with, is have a notetaker. Your school should provide a notetaker upon > request for you. Languages classes go fast and I think it would be hard to > take notes as fast as they go especially when other students can copy notes > > from the board or slide at their pace and you have to do it > right as the teacher talks. > > HTH, > Ashley > -----Original Message----- > From: aleeha dudley > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 10:08 AM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed > > I was wondering if any of you have taken 300 level foreign language classes > > and if so, how did you keep track of all that is happening in the class? I > am finding it difficult to read the class notes on my laptop, take my own > notes on my Braillenote apex, and also try to comprehend what the instructor > > is saying since it is all in Spanish. Let me know what you think. Any ideas > > would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks, > > > > > > Aleeha Dudley > President, Ohio Association of Blind Students > Changing what it means to be blind > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com Wed Aug 22 00:28:22 2012 From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (aleeha dudley) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 20:28:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed In-Reply-To: <91DD717C002B41238239FCCD3F1BF699@OwnerPC> References: <8E4FE3A0-6F7F-44A2-96FF-B4194D0D87AC@gmail.com> <91DD717C002B41238239FCCD3F1BF699@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <1AF86CC9-3269-417E-9818-9BCBCFF87970@gmail.com> I use a note taker in science classes and am not ashamed to say it. The university does not provide these services for foreign language classes. Thanks to everyone for the suggestions. Aleeha Dudley President, Ohio Association of Blind Students Changing what it means to be blind On Aug 21, 2012, at 6:40 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: > Aleeha, > Sounds like a handful. I would not be able to read notes on a laptop, take notes and listen at the same time even if it was in english! > What teaching style does she use? I only took foreign language in high school; I would not want to try in college due to no braille availability. In high school I was accomodated with hard copy braille and braille texts which was vital to my success; college you have to do auditorily. > > What I'd suggest is not reading the class notes in class. Do you need to read them for a worksheet or group activity? If so, could someone else read them with you? Sometimes my professors have a study guide but I follow auditorily since I ask the professor to speak out the questions before going over them. If in a group of students, I try and get them to read the handout to me so I can participate. > Instead of in class, get any handouts ahead of time and read them. If you feel you need them in class, is it possible to put the handout file on your braille note and switch files from your notes and class notes? > > Another idea which might be quicker for accessing notes is to emboss the class notes. Do you have an embosser of yours or the schools? > I find that i can skim a hard copy document faster than a braille display file. > Also recording class might help. Another idea, which many would disagree with, is have a notetaker. Your school should provide a notetaker upon request for you. Languages classes go fast and I think it would be hard to take notes as fast as they go especially when other students can copy notes from the board or slide at their pace and you have to do it > right as the teacher talks. > > HTH, > Ashley > -----Original Message----- From: aleeha dudley > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 10:08 AM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed > > I was wondering if any of you have taken 300 level foreign language classes and if so, how did you keep track of all that is happening in the class? I am finding it difficult to read the class notes on my laptop, take my own notes on my Braillenote apex, and also try to comprehend what the instructor is saying since it is all in Spanish. Let me know what you think. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks, > > > > > > Aleeha Dudley > President, Ohio Association of Blind Students > Changing what it means to be blind > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Wed Aug 22 01:37:18 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 21:37:18 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed In-Reply-To: <1AF86CC9-3269-417E-9818-9BCBCFF87970@gmail.com> References: <8E4FE3A0-6F7F-44A2-96FF-B4194D0D87AC@gmail.com><91DD717C002B41238239FCCD3F1BF699@OwnerPC> <1AF86CC9-3269-417E-9818-9BCBCFF87970@gmail.com> Message-ID: Aleeha, Well, that is too bad because I think a foregin language class is one where a notetaker would be very beneficial. If you feel you miss material in class, you can always go to the professor's office hours. In my experience, they are generally real willing to help and repeat or clarify any lecture material. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: aleeha dudley Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 8:28 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed I use a note taker in science classes and am not ashamed to say it. The university does not provide these services for foreign language classes. Thanks to everyone for the suggestions. Aleeha Dudley President, Ohio Association of Blind Students Changing what it means to be blind On Aug 21, 2012, at 6:40 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: > Aleeha, > Sounds like a handful. I would not be able to read notes on a laptop, take > notes and listen at the same time even if it was in english! > What teaching style does she use? I only took foreign language in high > school; I would not want to try in college due to no braille availability. > In high school I was accomodated with hard copy braille and braille texts > which was vital to my success; college you have to do auditorily. > > What I'd suggest is not reading the class notes in class. Do you need to > read them for a worksheet or group activity? If so, could someone else > read them with you? Sometimes my professors have a study guide but I > follow auditorily since I ask the professor to speak out the questions > before going over them. If in a group of students, I try and get them to > read the handout to me so I can participate. > Instead of in class, get any handouts ahead of time and read them. If you > feel you need them in class, is it possible to put the handout file on > your braille note and switch files from your notes and class notes? > > Another idea which might be quicker for accessing notes is to emboss the > class notes. Do you have an embosser of yours or the schools? > I find that i can skim a hard copy document faster than a braille display > file. > Also recording class might help. Another idea, which many would disagree > with, is have a notetaker. Your school should provide a notetaker upon > request for you. Languages classes go fast and I think it would be hard to > take notes as fast as they go especially when other students can copy > notes from the board or slide at their pace and you have to do it > right as the teacher talks. > > HTH, > Ashley > -----Original Message----- From: aleeha dudley > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 10:08 AM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed > > I was wondering if any of you have taken 300 level foreign language > classes and if so, how did you keep track of all that is happening in the > class? I am finding it difficult to read the class notes on my laptop, > take my own notes on my Braillenote apex, and also try to comprehend what > the instructor is saying since it is all in Spanish. Let me know what you > think. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks, > > > > > > Aleeha Dudley > President, Ohio Association of Blind Students > Changing what it means to be blind > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com Wed Aug 22 02:10:22 2012 From: brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com (Brandon Keith Biggs) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 19:10:22 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed In-Reply-To: References: <8E4FE3A0-6F7F-44A2-96FF-B4194D0D87AC@gmail.com><91DD717C002B41238239FCCD3F1BF699@OwnerPC><1AF86CC9-3269-417E-9818-9BCBCFF87970@gmail.com> Message-ID: <10227E3E66504413A9B2D705DA645A14@BrandonsLaptop2> Hello, If this is a state college, if you ask for a note taker, they can't deny you a note taker. If they say that is against their policy, say that is BS and you can sue them. If they are a private college that put you on a 504 plan the case is the same. They can provide you accommodation if it isn't unreasonable. Thank you, Brandon Keith Biggs -----Original Message----- From: Ashley Bramlett Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 6:37 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed Aleeha, Well, that is too bad because I think a foregin language class is one where a notetaker would be very beneficial. If you feel you miss material in class, you can always go to the professor's office hours. In my experience, they are generally real willing to help and repeat or clarify any lecture material. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: aleeha dudley Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 8:28 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed I use a note taker in science classes and am not ashamed to say it. The university does not provide these services for foreign language classes. Thanks to everyone for the suggestions. Aleeha Dudley President, Ohio Association of Blind Students Changing what it means to be blind On Aug 21, 2012, at 6:40 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: > Aleeha, > Sounds like a handful. I would not be able to read notes on a laptop, take > notes and listen at the same time even if it was in english! > What teaching style does she use? I only took foreign language in high > school; I would not want to try in college due to no braille availability. > In high school I was accomodated with hard copy braille and braille texts > which was vital to my success; college you have to do auditorily. > > What I'd suggest is not reading the class notes in class. Do you need to > read them for a worksheet or group activity? If so, could someone else > read them with you? Sometimes my professors have a study guide but I > follow auditorily since I ask the professor to speak out the questions > before going over them. If in a group of students, I try and get them to > read the handout to me so I can participate. > Instead of in class, get any handouts ahead of time and read them. If you > feel you need them in class, is it possible to put the handout file on > your braille note and switch files from your notes and class notes? > > Another idea which might be quicker for accessing notes is to emboss the > class notes. Do you have an embosser of yours or the schools? > I find that i can skim a hard copy document faster than a braille display > file. > Also recording class might help. Another idea, which many would disagree > with, is have a notetaker. Your school should provide a notetaker upon > request for you. Languages classes go fast and I think it would be hard to > take notes as fast as they go especially when other students can copy > notes from the board or slide at their pace and you have to do it > right as the teacher talks. > > HTH, > Ashley > -----Original Message----- From: aleeha dudley > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 10:08 AM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed > > I was wondering if any of you have taken 300 level foreign language > classes and if so, how did you keep track of all that is happening in the > class? I am finding it difficult to read the class notes on my laptop, > take my own notes on my Braillenote apex, and also try to comprehend what > the instructor is saying since it is all in Spanish. Let me know what you > think. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks, > > > > > > Aleeha Dudley > President, Ohio Association of Blind Students > Changing what it means to be blind > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com From amc05111 at gmail.com Wed Aug 22 02:19:01 2012 From: amc05111 at gmail.com (Ashley Coleman) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 22:19:01 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Brochure help, Message-ID: Hi all, My name is Ashley and I am attending UNCP for a degree in Special Education Teaching. I am wondering if any of you have had to create a tri-fold brochure for a class, if you did how did you accomplish it. I am using Microsoft Word 2010 and Jaws 12. Thanks, Ashley, From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Wed Aug 22 02:23:05 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 02:23:05 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Brochure help, In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Coleman [amc05111 at gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 9:19 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Brochure help, Hi all, My name is Ashley and I am attending UNCP for a degree in Special Education Teaching. I am wondering if any of you have had to create a tri-fold brochure for a class, if you did how did you accomplish it. I am using Microsoft Word 2010 and Jaws 12. Thanks, Ashley, _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Wed Aug 22 02:26:52 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 02:26:52 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Brochure help, In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Ashley. I just noticed, that my message was blank. I just wanted to welcome you to this list. I hope you enjoy your time here. As far as brochures go, I'd ask my professor that is requiring them, for their suggestions, and I'd go from there. Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Coleman [amc05111 at gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 9:19 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Brochure help, Hi all, My name is Ashley and I am attending UNCP for a degree in Special Education Teaching. I am wondering if any of you have had to create a tri-fold brochure for a class, if you did how did you accomplish it. I am using Microsoft Word 2010 and Jaws 12. Thanks, Ashley, _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Wed Aug 22 02:40:26 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 20:40:26 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Brochure help, In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Ashley, What is the purpose of the brochure? Arielle On 8/21/12, Joshua Lester wrote: > Hi, Ashley. > I just noticed, that my message was blank. > I just wanted to welcome you to this list. > I hope you enjoy your time here. > As far as brochures go, I'd ask my professor that is requiring them, for > their suggestions, and I'd go from there. > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of > Ashley Coleman [amc05111 at gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 9:19 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Brochure help, > > Hi all, > My name is Ashley and I am attending UNCP for a degree in Special > Education Teaching. > > I am wondering if any of you have had to create a tri-fold brochure for a > class, if you did how did you accomplish it. I am using Microsoft Word > 2010 and Jaws 12. > > Thanks, Ashley, > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From amc05111 at gmail.com Wed Aug 22 02:48:12 2012 From: amc05111 at gmail.com (Ashley Coleman) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 22:48:12 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Brochure help, In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Joshua! Ashley On 8/21/12, Joshua Lester wrote: > Hi, Ashley. > I just noticed, that my message was blank. > I just wanted to welcome you to this list. > I hope you enjoy your time here. > As far as brochures go, I'd ask my professor that is requiring them, for > their suggestions, and I'd go from there. > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of > Ashley Coleman [amc05111 at gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 9:19 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Brochure help, > > Hi all, > My name is Ashley and I am attending UNCP for a degree in Special > Education Teaching. > > I am wondering if any of you have had to create a tri-fold brochure for a > class, if you did how did you accomplish it. I am using Microsoft Word > 2010 and Jaws 12. > > Thanks, Ashley, > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com > From amc05111 at gmail.com Wed Aug 22 02:50:03 2012 From: amc05111 at gmail.com (Ashley Coleman) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 22:50:03 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Brochure help, In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We are trying to create brochures that convey a certain piece of information for the grade levels we will be eventually teaching. On 8/21/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi Ashley, > What is the purpose of the brochure? > Arielle > > On 8/21/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >> Hi, Ashley. >> I just noticed, that my message was blank. >> I just wanted to welcome you to this list. >> I hope you enjoy your time here. >> As far as brochures go, I'd ask my professor that is requiring them, for >> their suggestions, and I'd go from there. >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >> Ashley Coleman [amc05111 at gmail.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 9:19 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] Brochure help, >> >> Hi all, >> My name is Ashley and I am attending UNCP for a degree in Special >> Education Teaching. >> >> I am wondering if any of you have had to create a tri-fold brochure for a >> class, if you did how did you accomplish it. I am using Microsoft Word >> 2010 and Jaws 12. >> >> Thanks, Ashley, >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com > From arielle71 at gmail.com Wed Aug 22 02:56:36 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 20:56:36 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Brochure help, In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Who is supposed to be reading the brochures? Are they directed to other teachers, parents or who is the audience? I'm just wondering if it's practical to put the content on something less complicated than a tri-fold. You could also work with a reader to help with formatting. Arielle On 8/21/12, Ashley Coleman wrote: > We are trying to create brochures that convey a certain piece of > information for the grade levels we will be eventually teaching. > > > > On 8/21/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: >> Hi Ashley, >> What is the purpose of the brochure? >> Arielle >> >> On 8/21/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> Hi, Ashley. >>> I just noticed, that my message was blank. >>> I just wanted to welcome you to this list. >>> I hope you enjoy your time here. >>> As far as brochures go, I'd ask my professor that is requiring them, for >>> their suggestions, and I'd go from there. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >>> Ashley Coleman [amc05111 at gmail.com] >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 9:19 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Brochure help, >>> >>> Hi all, >>> My name is Ashley and I am attending UNCP for a degree in Special >>> Education Teaching. >>> >>> I am wondering if any of you have had to create a tri-fold brochure for >>> a >>> class, if you did how did you accomplish it. I am using Microsoft Word >>> 2010 and Jaws 12. >>> >>> Thanks, Ashley, >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Wed Aug 22 02:59:34 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 22:59:34 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Brochure help, In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ashley, I'm Ashley too and I attend a community college part time getting a certificate while looking for work; I have a BA in liberal studies; I'll get a certificate and extra relevant classes for my resume here at nova. About the brochure, jaws doesn't always describe colors and layout well. However, if you just need a simple brochure, creating one will not require much extra eyes. What is its purpose? Do you have any vision? If so this will aid you in creating it. If not, do the best with jaws and have a sighted person assist you in the layout. Also, your professor should give you tips on things like font type and size. I've not created a brochure, but have created flyers for a club and readers. So, that said, here is what I might do for a brochure. I have a little central vision so this may help me pick a font. I'd select a font with curly edges of letters. such as Georgia. Another idea would be pick one with dark block letter lines such as Impact or Showcard gothic. You should type your information in smaller font, maybe size 12 or 14. If its a list of important things like dates, you might want to make a bulleted list. Note that Word had several types of bullets, but I think the more common ones are a square bullet or the circle filled bullet; that is what I've seen often. But you can always check with someone sighted to find out. Then you might want to add some pictures by either using clip art or cutting and pasting in existing pictures from other sources. Clip art is in the insert tab. Finally, Microsoft word lets you add page borders and a background color, but I suggest printing on colored paper, its easier. To do either one, go to the page layout tab. If you wish to add a border, go to page borders in that tab. If you tab to the combo box that says art, you can pick any number of picture borders that will be displayed around the page; quite pretty but not sure it would help for this type of brochure. All pictures are spoken so you know what you're choosing; pick one and press enter, otherwise its not selected. Art graphics include apples, cookies, cake, hearts, and even Christmas trees. You can also write text into a box; I suggest picking the first box so it does not look like a template then. To do this go to the insert tab and tab to text box; open that display of choices and press enter on the first choice wich is the simple text box with no additional formatting. It is in the center of your page, but to move it, press the standard commands of control L for left or control R for right. You can also create tables in word; that is accessible too. That might be good for some brochures. If we have more info on the expectations for it and who the audience is, we might have more ideas. You can make it look funny or serious, depending on the audience. hth, Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Ashley Coleman Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 10:19 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Brochure help, Hi all, My name is Ashley and I am attending UNCP for a degree in Special Education Teaching. I am wondering if any of you have had to create a tri-fold brochure for a class, if you did how did you accomplish it. I am using Microsoft Word 2010 and Jaws 12. Thanks, Ashley, _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Wed Aug 22 03:00:52 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 23:00:52 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Brochure help, In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <899681BEA2BC41358B7AD0F7843FDC01@OwnerPC> Also, is the brochure intended to be colorful or more informational? -----Original Message----- From: Ashley Coleman Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 10:19 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Brochure help, Hi all, My name is Ashley and I am attending UNCP for a degree in Special Education Teaching. I am wondering if any of you have had to create a tri-fold brochure for a class, if you did how did you accomplish it. I am using Microsoft Word 2010 and Jaws 12. Thanks, Ashley, _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Wed Aug 22 03:08:24 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 03:08:24 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Brochure help, In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Wow! I was just thinking about this! I hate to highjack this thread, but I've noticed a trend! We have so many students on here, with the same first name! We have two Joshes, 3 Ashleys, etc. We need to come up with a way to make it known, which person with a similar name, we're talking to on this list! Thanks, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Bramlett [bookwormahb at earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 9:59 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Brochure help, Ashley, I'm Ashley too and I attend a community college part time getting a certificate while looking for work; I have a BA in liberal studies; I'll get a certificate and extra relevant classes for my resume here at nova. About the brochure, jaws doesn't always describe colors and layout well. However, if you just need a simple brochure, creating one will not require much extra eyes. What is its purpose? Do you have any vision? If so this will aid you in creating it. If not, do the best with jaws and have a sighted person assist you in the layout. Also, your professor should give you tips on things like font type and size. I've not created a brochure, but have created flyers for a club and readers. So, that said, here is what I might do for a brochure. I have a little central vision so this may help me pick a font. I'd select a font with curly edges of letters. such as Georgia. Another idea would be pick one with dark block letter lines such as Impact or Showcard gothic. You should type your information in smaller font, maybe size 12 or 14. If its a list of important things like dates, you might want to make a bulleted list. Note that Word had several types of bullets, but I think the more common ones are a square bullet or the circle filled bullet; that is what I've seen often. But you can always check with someone sighted to find out. Then you might want to add some pictures by either using clip art or cutting and pasting in existing pictures from other sources. Clip art is in the insert tab. Finally, Microsoft word lets you add page borders and a background color, but I suggest printing on colored paper, its easier. To do either one, go to the page layout tab. If you wish to add a border, go to page borders in that tab. If you tab to the combo box that says art, you can pick any number of picture borders that will be displayed around the page; quite pretty but not sure it would help for this type of brochure. All pictures are spoken so you know what you're choosing; pick one and press enter, otherwise its not selected. Art graphics include apples, cookies, cake, hearts, and even Christmas trees. You can also write text into a box; I suggest picking the first box so it does not look like a template then. To do this go to the insert tab and tab to text box; open that display of choices and press enter on the first choice wich is the simple text box with no additional formatting. It is in the center of your page, but to move it, press the standard commands of control L for left or control R for right. You can also create tables in word; that is accessible too. That might be good for some brochures. If we have more info on the expectations for it and who the audience is, we might have more ideas. You can make it look funny or serious, depending on the audience. hth, Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Ashley Coleman Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 10:19 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Brochure help, Hi all, My name is Ashley and I am attending UNCP for a degree in Special Education Teaching. I am wondering if any of you have had to create a tri-fold brochure for a class, if you did how did you accomplish it. I am using Microsoft Word 2010 and Jaws 12. Thanks, Ashley, _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Wed Aug 22 03:30:11 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 03:30:11 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail In-Reply-To: <6B9A3D2F-0001-4D86-8A33-A28E57C17AF1@gmail.com> References: <000301cd7bc4$2828a050$7879e0f0$@com> <003c01cd7bc8$e3bad3c0$ab307b40$@gmail.com> <000301cd7bce$b9aa0820$2cfe1860$@gmail.com> <-7564069964922924230@unknownmsgid> <8716508767197085693@unknownmsgid> <391507BB-59BA-4143-9AAD-F0CDF073D63E@gmail.com> , <6B9A3D2F-0001-4D86-8A33-A28E57C17AF1@gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm bumping this E-mail thread, because I've noticed some things that are troubling me. My student address book is filled with every student's college E-mail address, and every other employee's E-mail addresses! I can't create my own contacts, because the people have built this address book up, with everyone's E-mail addresses, and I don't necessarily want the contact information of every single student, on all 3 campuses! Whatever happened to student privacy? Also, I can't get to my contacts on this interface! Please help! Thanks, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Lavonya Gardner [hotdancer1416 at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 4:55 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail That sucks! Y is that? Sent from my iPad On Aug 18, 2012, at 14:51, Joshua Lester wrote: > The GMail server has been phased out, so I'm stuck with this one. > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Lavonya Gardner [hotdancer1416 at gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 3:20 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail > > Go back 2 g mail > > Sent from my iPad > > On Aug 18, 2012, at 11:40, Joshua Lester wrote: > >> Now, to another question. >> How can I access my contacts, on this new interface? >> When I go to contacts, it won't let me view them, like GMail would. >> Thanks, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ignasi Cambra [ignasicambra at gmail.com] >> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 10:29 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >> >> Obviously by reading your email I meant both reading and sending...! >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Aug 17, 2012, at 3:17 PM, Joshua Lester >> wrote: >> >>> I can read my E-mails just fine, but it's sending one E-mail to multiple recipiants, that's troubling me. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ignasi Cambra [ignasicambra at gmail.com] >>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 3:02 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>> >>> I don't know how accessible the web interface is, but if it doesn't >>> work you should try reading your email from an email program such as >>> Outlook or anything else that you like. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Aug 16, 2012, at 12:53 PM, Joshua Lester >>> wrote: >>> >>>> It's a WebMail interface. >>>> The interface is called, "Microsoft Exchange." >>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>> ________________________________________ >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Chris Nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] >>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:46 AM >>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>> >>>> Hi Joshua, >>>> >>>> Good. That's what I use. Are you using the Microsoft Outlook program or a >>>> Web mail interface? >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >>>> Of Joshua Lester >>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 12:26 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>> >>>> It's the latest version. >>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>> ________________________________________ >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >>>> Chris Nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] >>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:04 AM >>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>> >>>> Hi Joshua, >>>> >>>> If you need any help learning how to use Outlook, please let me know. I use >>>> Outlook for my email and love it. >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >>>> Of Chun Chao >>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:31 AM >>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>> >>>> Joshua: >>>> >>>> What version of Outlook are you using? (2003, 2007, 2010) Also, have you >>>> configured Outlook so that it will synchronize with Gmail when you check >>>> your emails? This will make adding recipients much easier. >>>> Did you also add your contacts to the Address Book within Outlook? >>>> You can add multiple recipients to both the "To" and "CC" fields, just >>>> remember to have a semicolon in between. >>>> >>>> C.C. Alan >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >>>> Of Joshua Lester >>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 7:51 AM >>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>> >>>> Please help me! >>>> My student E-mail address has changed, along with our server. >>>> They've traded the GMail server for Microsoft Web Exchange, powered by >>>> Outlook! >>>> I hate Outlook, because it's difficult to send an E-mail to multiple >>>> recipiants. >>>> Does anyone know why it won't cooperate with me, when I try to E-mail >>>> multiple recipiants? >>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> 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unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Wed Aug 22 03:41:43 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 03:41:43 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble deleting drafts Message-ID: How can I delete drafts from the new Microsoft Exchange web Interface? Thanks, Joshua From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Wed Aug 22 04:26:29 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 00:26:29 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Brochure help, In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <6C6DB5388E2D46C2B634354129E8B6BE@OwnerPC> Joshua, that is why youuse full names or initials so if I address the other ashley I might write Ashley C and you can say Ashley B for bramlett, but often its obvious which person you mean to say it to because the other person did not get involved. -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 11:08 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Brochure help, Wow! I was just thinking about this! I hate to highjack this thread, but I've noticed a trend! We have so many students on here, with the same first name! We have two Joshes, 3 Ashleys, etc. We need to come up with a way to make it known, which person with a similar name, we're talking to on this list! Thanks, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Bramlett [bookwormahb at earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 9:59 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Brochure help, Ashley, I'm Ashley too and I attend a community college part time getting a certificate while looking for work; I have a BA in liberal studies; I'll get a certificate and extra relevant classes for my resume here at nova. About the brochure, jaws doesn't always describe colors and layout well. However, if you just need a simple brochure, creating one will not require much extra eyes. What is its purpose? Do you have any vision? If so this will aid you in creating it. If not, do the best with jaws and have a sighted person assist you in the layout. Also, your professor should give you tips on things like font type and size. I've not created a brochure, but have created flyers for a club and readers. So, that said, here is what I might do for a brochure. I have a little central vision so this may help me pick a font. I'd select a font with curly edges of letters. such as Georgia. Another idea would be pick one with dark block letter lines such as Impact or Showcard gothic. You should type your information in smaller font, maybe size 12 or 14. If its a list of important things like dates, you might want to make a bulleted list. Note that Word had several types of bullets, but I think the more common ones are a square bullet or the circle filled bullet; that is what I've seen often. But you can always check with someone sighted to find out. Then you might want to add some pictures by either using clip art or cutting and pasting in existing pictures from other sources. Clip art is in the insert tab. Finally, Microsoft word lets you add page borders and a background color, but I suggest printing on colored paper, its easier. To do either one, go to the page layout tab. If you wish to add a border, go to page borders in that tab. If you tab to the combo box that says art, you can pick any number of picture borders that will be displayed around the page; quite pretty but not sure it would help for this type of brochure. All pictures are spoken so you know what you're choosing; pick one and press enter, otherwise its not selected. Art graphics include apples, cookies, cake, hearts, and even Christmas trees. You can also write text into a box; I suggest picking the first box so it does not look like a template then. To do this go to the insert tab and tab to text box; open that display of choices and press enter on the first choice wich is the simple text box with no additional formatting. It is in the center of your page, but to move it, press the standard commands of control L for left or control R for right. You can also create tables in word; that is accessible too. That might be good for some brochures. If we have more info on the expectations for it and who the audience is, we might have more ideas. You can make it look funny or serious, depending on the audience. hth, Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Ashley Coleman Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 10:19 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Brochure help, Hi all, My name is Ashley and I am attending UNCP for a degree in Special Education Teaching. I am wondering if any of you have had to create a tri-fold brochure for a class, if you did how did you accomplish it. I am using Microsoft Word 2010 and Jaws 12. Thanks, Ashley, _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Wed Aug 22 05:02:22 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 05:02:22 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Brochure help, In-Reply-To: <6C6DB5388E2D46C2B634354129E8B6BE@OwnerPC> References: , , <6C6DB5388E2D46C2B634354129E8B6BE@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Correct. I was just making an observation. Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Bramlett [bookwormahb at earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 11:26 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Brochure help, Joshua, that is why youuse full names or initials so if I address the other ashley I might write Ashley C and you can say Ashley B for bramlett, but often its obvious which person you mean to say it to because the other person did not get involved. -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 11:08 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Brochure help, Wow! I was just thinking about this! I hate to highjack this thread, but I've noticed a trend! We have so many students on here, with the same first name! We have two Joshes, 3 Ashleys, etc. We need to come up with a way to make it known, which person with a similar name, we're talking to on this list! Thanks, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Bramlett [bookwormahb at earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 9:59 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Brochure help, Ashley, I'm Ashley too and I attend a community college part time getting a certificate while looking for work; I have a BA in liberal studies; I'll get a certificate and extra relevant classes for my resume here at nova. About the brochure, jaws doesn't always describe colors and layout well. However, if you just need a simple brochure, creating one will not require much extra eyes. What is its purpose? Do you have any vision? If so this will aid you in creating it. If not, do the best with jaws and have a sighted person assist you in the layout. Also, your professor should give you tips on things like font type and size. I've not created a brochure, but have created flyers for a club and readers. So, that said, here is what I might do for a brochure. I have a little central vision so this may help me pick a font. I'd select a font with curly edges of letters. such as Georgia. Another idea would be pick one with dark block letter lines such as Impact or Showcard gothic. You should type your information in smaller font, maybe size 12 or 14. If its a list of important things like dates, you might want to make a bulleted list. Note that Word had several types of bullets, but I think the more common ones are a square bullet or the circle filled bullet; that is what I've seen often. But you can always check with someone sighted to find out. Then you might want to add some pictures by either using clip art or cutting and pasting in existing pictures from other sources. Clip art is in the insert tab. Finally, Microsoft word lets you add page borders and a background color, but I suggest printing on colored paper, its easier. To do either one, go to the page layout tab. If you wish to add a border, go to page borders in that tab. If you tab to the combo box that says art, you can pick any number of picture borders that will be displayed around the page; quite pretty but not sure it would help for this type of brochure. All pictures are spoken so you know what you're choosing; pick one and press enter, otherwise its not selected. Art graphics include apples, cookies, cake, hearts, and even Christmas trees. You can also write text into a box; I suggest picking the first box so it does not look like a template then. To do this go to the insert tab and tab to text box; open that display of choices and press enter on the first choice wich is the simple text box with no additional formatting. It is in the center of your page, but to move it, press the standard commands of control L for left or control R for right. You can also create tables in word; that is accessible too. That might be good for some brochures. If we have more info on the expectations for it and who the audience is, we might have more ideas. You can make it look funny or serious, depending on the audience. hth, Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Ashley Coleman Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 10:19 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Brochure help, Hi all, My name is Ashley and I am attending UNCP for a degree in Special Education Teaching. I am wondering if any of you have had to create a tri-fold brochure for a class, if you did how did you accomplish it. I am using Microsoft Word 2010 and Jaws 12. Thanks, Ashley, _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From ignasicambra at gmail.com Wed Aug 22 06:28:48 2012 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 02:28:48 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble deleting drafts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6205709205349032172@unknownmsgid> Joshua! If you don't like the web interface just use Microsoft Outlook to access your email! Outlook is perfectly accessible with JAWS and comes with the Microsoft Office suite. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 21, 2012, at 11:43 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > How can I delete drafts from the new Microsoft Exchange web Interface? > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From deb.mendelsohn at gmail.com Wed Aug 22 13:41:24 2012 From: deb.mendelsohn at gmail.com (Deb Mendelsohn) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 06:41:24 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] How College Bookstores are Killing College Bookstores Message-ID: How College Bookstores are Killing College Bookstores - Mark Athitakis - August 21, 2012 | 4:46 pm - 2 comments - Share on redditShare on tumblrShare on stumbleupon |More Sharing ServicesMore - [image: Print]Print - SHARE inShare 2 As a University of Chicago undergrad in the early ’90s, I had a thrice-yearly ritual. Head to the Seminary Co-op Bookstore, a homely but well-stocked basement-level shop with exposed pipes, narrow aisles, and a mazelike arrangement of shelves. Squeeze into the warren in back designated for assigned texts and stock up on Barthes, Foucault, Marx-Engels, etc. After shouldering through the scrum of classmates performing the same task, take a moment to contemplate the shelves of fiction set quietly apart from the fray. Make a mental list of what to pick up cheap later at one of Hyde Park’s many used bookstores; the required texts wrecked my book budget. The typical student bookstore experience—get in, get out, contemplate the months of ramen to come—has never been a great way to cultivate a love of books. It’s never about the literary joys of serendipitous discovery; it’s about the bureaucratic routine of required reading. Even before the thrice-annual draining of my wallet, the college bookstore was tough to romanticize. But today, campus bookstores’ long-term survival depends on abandoning literary pretense altogether. According to the National Association of College Stores, which represents approximately 3,000 campus retailers, course materials account for a smaller and smaller proportion of total bookstore sales, ticking down from 57 percent in 2009 to 56 percent in 2010, to 54 percent last year. At the University of Tennessee, textbooks account for just 36 percent of sales according to director David Kent, who anticipates the figure will be between 20 and 25 percent in a couple of years. “And that’s right where we want to be,” he says. “We don’t want to be out of that business, but we want to be diversified enough in our offerings that we’re not so dependent on one particular category.” What happened? Not e-textbooks, at least not yet. American universities are experimenting more with them: A much-discussed pilot program led by publisher McGraw-Hill launched at five universities earlier this year, and cable-TV company Discovery recently announced its own e-textbook plan for the K-12 set. However, the old-fashioned print textbook still accounts for the overwhelming majority of sales. What’s different now is students’ ability to sidestep the bookstore to acquire them. The Higher Education Opportunity Act, passed by Congress in 2008, required schools to provide texts’ ISBN numbers in course listings, facilitating robust comparison shopping—and more online buying. Stores responded by supporting more affordable textbook rentals, but with an increasing number of websites offering the same service (Amazon stepped into the physical-textbook rental business earlier this month), that’s trading one margin-wrecking hypercompetitive market for another. “The traditional main source of revenue has leveled out, and we realize that in the future it will decline,” says NACS spokesperson Charlie Schmidt.Indeed, *Defining the College Store of 2015*, a 2010 white paper by the NACS Foundation, the organization’s research arm, exhorts members to expand into new markets fast. “Shift from being a book store to a campus store in the broadest sense of the phrase,” one boldfaced passage reads. To talk with Schmidt and NACS Foundation head Vicki Morris-Benion about the future of college bookstores is to talk about pretty much everything besides books: The college store of 2015 is one part Target, one part ESPNU, one ever-shrinking part course materials: There are the requisite team-branded T-shirts, notebooks, and shot glasses, but also computer repair, dry cleaning, grab-and-go sushi, pop-up stores, Wii competitions, poetry slams, train tickets. The value of the bookstore in the next few years is being reduced to its simplest definition: it’s the place with a cash register. “Because we’re the gathering place, we also are the place that is best equipped to take money and collect sales tax,” Morris-Benion says. It’s hard to bemoan students pursuing a better deal. After all, not every book you buy in college needs to become a beloved token of wisdom and knowledge; the genetics textbook shoring up a shelf in my father’s study 700 miles away from me stands in dusty testament to that. But the culture of cheaper textbook rentals does have consequences; embedded in it is the notion of books as a short-term disposable commodity. Mark Sample, an associate professor of English at George Mason University, is mindful of costs, and he recommends that his students go to Amazon first for books—he estimates that for one upcoming class students will save $35 over the campus store. But he’s no fan of leases. “As somebody who reads and loves books, I hate the idea that students will just be renting the book,” he says. “I worry that students won’t connect as much with a book they know they have to return.” Bridging this gap—making texts affordable as well as meaningful—seems increasingly unlikely in the long run. Stores are “pinned between the incredibly high prices that publishers set for their products, and students, quite understandably, desiring the best deal that they can,” says Dr. Kathleen Fitzpatrick, director of communications for the Modern Language Association. So we’ll likely see more of what the University of Tennessee bookstore is doing: In the next two years, Kent says, it will open four stores stuffed with headphones and team merchandise and iPads, and has plans to expand the team shops outside of Knoxville. Go Vols! The college bookstore, in other words, is asphyxiating the college bookstore. Worse, it’s helpless to avoid doing so. The ideas bubbling under as possible saviors—e-textbooks, open textbooks—aren’t yet ready as workable substitutes. In the meantime, even the cursory experience of browsing and discovery I had is eroding in the face of rentals and sell-backs. Discovery, we have to trust, is the province of the classroom. *Mark Athitakis is a writer and editor in Washington, DC. He blogs at * markathitakis.com*.* -- *Deb's Cell: 520-225-8244* From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Wed Aug 22 14:20:00 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 10:20:00 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble deleting drafts In-Reply-To: <6205709205349032172@unknownmsgid> References: <6205709205349032172@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <002601cd8071$37e22640$a7a672c0$@gmail.com> That's what I use. Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ignasi Cambra Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 2:29 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble deleting drafts Joshua! If you don't like the web interface just use Microsoft Outlook to access your email! Outlook is perfectly accessible with JAWS and comes with the Microsoft Office suite. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 21, 2012, at 11:43 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > How can I delete drafts from the new Microsoft Exchange web Interface? > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gma > il.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From amc05111 at gmail.com Wed Aug 22 14:41:26 2012 From: amc05111 at gmail.com (Ashley Coleman) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 10:41:26 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Brochure help, In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: They are directed to the parents On 8/21/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Who is supposed to be reading the brochures? Are they directed to > other teachers, parents or who is the audience? > I'm just wondering if it's practical to put the content on something > less complicated than a tri-fold. You could also work with a reader to > help with formatting. > Arielle > > On 8/21/12, Ashley Coleman wrote: >> We are trying to create brochures that convey a certain piece of >> information for the grade levels we will be eventually teaching. >> >> >> >> On 8/21/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>> Hi Ashley, >>> What is the purpose of the brochure? >>> Arielle >>> >>> On 8/21/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>> Hi, Ashley. >>>> I just noticed, that my message was blank. >>>> I just wanted to welcome you to this list. >>>> I hope you enjoy your time here. >>>> As far as brochures go, I'd ask my professor that is requiring them, >>>> for >>>> their suggestions, and I'd go from there. >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>> ________________________________________ >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf >>>> of >>>> Ashley Coleman [amc05111 at gmail.com] >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 9:19 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Brochure help, >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> My name is Ashley and I am attending UNCP for a degree in Special >>>> Education Teaching. >>>> >>>> I am wondering if any of you have had to create a tri-fold brochure for >>>> a >>>> class, if you did how did you accomplish it. I am using Microsoft Word >>>> 2010 and Jaws 12. >>>> >>>> Thanks, Ashley, >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com > From amc05111 at gmail.com Wed Aug 22 14:44:40 2012 From: amc05111 at gmail.com (Ashley Coleman) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 10:44:40 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Brochure help, In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's purpose is to teach us how to create them for when we get into the classroom. On 8/21/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Ashley, > I'm Ashley too and I attend a community college part time getting a > certificate while looking for work; I have a BA in liberal studies; I'll > get > a certificate and extra relevant classes for my resume here at nova. > > About the brochure, jaws doesn't always describe colors and layout well. > However, if you just need a simple brochure, creating one will not require > much extra eyes. What is its purpose? > > Do you have any vision? If so this will aid you in creating it. If not, do > the best with jaws and have a sighted person assist you in the layout. > Also, your professor should give you tips on things like font type and > size. > > I've not created a brochure, but have created flyers for a club and > readers. > So, that said, here is what I might do for a brochure. > > I have a little central vision so this may help me pick a font. I'd select > a > font with curly edges of letters. > such as Georgia. Another idea would be pick one with dark block letter > lines > such as Impact or > Showcard gothic. > You should type your information in smaller font, maybe size 12 or 14. If > its a list of important things like dates, you might want to make a > bulleted list. > Note that Word had several types of bullets, but I think the more common > ones are a square bullet or the circle filled bullet; that is what I've seen > > often. But you can always check with someone sighted to find out. > > Then you might want to add some pictures by either using clip art or > cutting > and pasting in existing pictures from other sources. > Clip art is in the insert tab. > > Finally, Microsoft word lets you add page borders and a background color, > but I suggest printing on colored paper, its easier. > To do either one, go to the page layout tab. If you wish to add a border, > go > to page borders in that tab. If you tab to the combo box that says > art, you can pick any number of picture borders that will be displayed > around the page; quite pretty but not sure it would help for this type of > brochure. All pictures are spoken so you know what you're choosing; pick > one > and press enter, otherwise its not selected. > Art graphics include apples, cookies, cake, hearts, and even Christmas > trees. > > You can also write text into a box; I suggest picking the first box so it > does not look like a template then. To do this go to the insert tab and tab > > to text box; open that display of choices and press enter on the first > choice wich is the simple text box with no additional formatting. > It is in the center of your page, but to move it, press the standard > commands of control L for left or control R for right. > You can also create tables in word; that is accessible too. That might be > good for some brochures. > > If we have more info on the expectations for it and who the audience is, we > > might have more ideas. You can make it look funny or serious, depending on > the audience. > hth, > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ashley Coleman > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 10:19 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Brochure help, > > Hi all, > My name is Ashley and I am attending UNCP for a degree in Special > Education Teaching. > > I am wondering if any of you have had to create a tri-fold brochure for a > class, if you did how did you accomplish it. I am using Microsoft Word > 2010 and Jaws 12. > > Thanks, Ashley, > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com > From amc05111 at gmail.com Wed Aug 22 14:45:39 2012 From: amc05111 at gmail.com (Ashley Coleman) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 10:45:39 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Brochure help, In-Reply-To: <899681BEA2BC41358B7AD0F7843FDC01@OwnerPC> References: <899681BEA2BC41358B7AD0F7843FDC01@OwnerPC> Message-ID: More informational, and I have no usable vision that will help me in this project. Ashley On 8/21/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Also, is the brochure intended to be colorful or more informational? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ashley Coleman > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 10:19 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Brochure help, > > Hi all, > My name is Ashley and I am attending UNCP for a degree in Special > Education Teaching. > > I am wondering if any of you have had to create a tri-fold brochure for a > class, if you did how did you accomplish it. I am using Microsoft Word > 2010 and Jaws 12. > > Thanks, Ashley, > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com > From joshkart12 at gmail.com Wed Aug 22 14:47:00 2012 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (josh gregory) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 10:47:00 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble deleting drafts In-Reply-To: <002601cd8071$37e22640$a7a672c0$@gmail.com> References: <6205709205349032172@unknownmsgid> <002601cd8071$37e22640$a7a672c0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Right, but, in Josh's defense, guys, he's not saying he doesn't like it, he's asking how to use it, or, more specificly, how to delete drafts. On 8/22/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > That's what I use. > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Ignasi Cambra > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 2:29 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble deleting drafts > > Joshua! > If you don't like the web interface just use Microsoft Outlook to access > your email! Outlook is perfectly accessible with JAWS and comes with the > Microsoft Office suite. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 21, 2012, at 11:43 PM, Joshua Lester > wrote: > >> How can I delete drafts from the new Microsoft Exchange web Interface? >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gma >> il.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com > -- Ways to Connect with me: facebook.com/evercuriousmasteryodo twitter.com/joshg93 Skype: joshgregory93 FaceTime, iMessage and iChat: joshkart12 at gmail.com From amc05111 at gmail.com Wed Aug 22 14:48:08 2012 From: amc05111 at gmail.com (Ashley Coleman) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 10:48:08 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail In-Reply-To: References: <000301cd7bc4$2828a050$7879e0f0$@com> <003c01cd7bc8$e3bad3c0$ab307b40$@gmail.com> <000301cd7bce$b9aa0820$2cfe1860$@gmail.com> <-7564069964922924230@unknownmsgid> <8716508767197085693@unknownmsgid> <391507BB-59BA-4143-9AAD-F0CDF073D63E@gmail.com> <6B9A3D2F-0001-4D86-8A33-A28E57C17AF1@gmail.com> Message-ID: Joshua, I would suggest using another email client for your personal email because it would be simpler to handle. Ashley C On 8/21/12, Joshua Lester wrote: > I'm bumping this E-mail thread, because I've noticed some things that are > troubling me. > My student address book is filled with every student's college E-mail > address, and every other employee's E-mail addresses! > I can't create my own contacts, because the people have built this address > book up, with everyone's E-mail addresses, and I don't necessarily want the > contact information of every single student, on all 3 campuses! > Whatever happened to student privacy? > Also, I can't get to my contacts on this interface! > Please help! > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of > Lavonya Gardner [hotdancer1416 at gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 4:55 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail > > That sucks! Y is that? > > Sent from my iPad > > On Aug 18, 2012, at 14:51, Joshua Lester > wrote: > >> The GMail server has been phased out, so I'm stuck with this one. >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >> Lavonya Gardner [hotdancer1416 at gmail.com] >> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 3:20 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >> >> Go back 2 g mail >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Aug 18, 2012, at 11:40, Joshua Lester >> wrote: >> >>> Now, to another question. >>> How can I access my contacts, on this new interface? >>> When I go to contacts, it won't let me view them, like GMail would. >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >>> Ignasi Cambra [ignasicambra at gmail.com] >>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 10:29 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>> >>> Obviously by reading your email I meant both reading and sending...! >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Aug 17, 2012, at 3:17 PM, Joshua Lester >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I can read my E-mails just fine, but it's sending one E-mail to multiple >>>> recipiants, that's troubling me. >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>> ________________________________________ >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >>>> Ignasi Cambra [ignasicambra at gmail.com] >>>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 3:02 AM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>> >>>> I don't know how accessible the web interface is, but if it doesn't >>>> work you should try reading your email from an email program such as >>>> Outlook or anything else that you like. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Aug 16, 2012, at 12:53 PM, Joshua Lester >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> It's a WebMail interface. >>>>> The interface is called, "Microsoft Exchange." >>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>> ________________________________________ >>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf >>>>> of Chris Nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] >>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:46 AM >>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>>> >>>>> Hi Joshua, >>>>> >>>>> Good. That's what I use. Are you using the Microsoft Outlook program or >>>>> a >>>>> Web mail interface? >>>>> >>>>> Chris >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>> Behalf >>>>> Of Joshua Lester >>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 12:26 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>>> >>>>> It's the latest version. >>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>> ________________________________________ >>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf >>>>> of >>>>> Chris Nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] >>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:04 AM >>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>>> >>>>> Hi Joshua, >>>>> >>>>> If you need any help learning how to use Outlook, please let me know. I >>>>> use >>>>> Outlook for my email and love it. >>>>> >>>>> Chris >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>> Behalf >>>>> Of Chun Chao >>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:31 AM >>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>>> >>>>> Joshua: >>>>> >>>>> What version of Outlook are you using? (2003, 2007, 2010) Also, have >>>>> you >>>>> configured Outlook so that it will synchronize with Gmail when you >>>>> check >>>>> your emails? This will make adding recipients much easier. >>>>> Did you also add your contacts to the Address Book within Outlook? >>>>> You can add multiple recipients to both the "To" and "CC" fields, just >>>>> remember to have a semicolon in between. >>>>> >>>>> C.C. 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_______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com > From marsha.drenth at gmail.com Wed Aug 22 14:47:12 2012 From: marsha.drenth at gmail.com (Marsha Drenth) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 10:47:12 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Iphone apps for students References: <555BE90F-160F-4DE3-A4FB-27E8A8E63518@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8A24CFA5-59C4-403E-AFE4-4B457554F027@gmail.com> > Hi students, > > Looks like this semester, I'll be using my IPhone for notetaking in class. And although this is not an bad option. I am looking for an app that is easily accessible, works on the IPhone. and I can edit PDF, RTF, TXT, DOC, DOCX, excel, access, and PP files. I would like for it to be capable with Dropbox too. I have been combing the internet for an app solution, but have not found anything exactly to what I am looking for. So if any of you students have suggestions. Please do let me know. You can email me off list. > > My computer crashed and burned a few weeks ago. Have been working for weeks to even recover the basic of files off the dead computer. Now I am waiting for OVR to get the laptop in that I ordered. Classes start next week, so I need somethingsoon. I have an ancient laptop, but my Iphone is faster and more powerful at this point than it. > > Thank you in advance, > > Marsha drenthSent from my iPhone From amc05111 at gmail.com Wed Aug 22 14:46:30 2012 From: amc05111 at gmail.com (Ashley Coleman) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 10:46:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Brochure help, In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Good Idea,! Ashley CJoshua On 8/21/12, Joshua Lester wrote: > Wow! > I was just thinking about this! > I hate to highjack this thread, but I've noticed a trend! > We have so many students on here, with the same first name! > We have two Joshes, 3 Ashleys, etc. > We need to come up with a way to make it known, which person with a similar > name, we're talking to on this list! > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of > Ashley Bramlett [bookwormahb at earthlink.net] > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 9:59 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Brochure help, > > Ashley, > I'm Ashley too and I attend a community college part time getting a > certificate while looking for work; I have a BA in liberal studies; I'll > get > a certificate and extra relevant classes for my resume here at nova. > > About the brochure, jaws doesn't always describe colors and layout well. > However, if you just need a simple brochure, creating one will not require > much extra eyes. What is its purpose? > > Do you have any vision? If so this will aid you in creating it. If not, do > the best with jaws and have a sighted person assist you in the layout. > Also, your professor should give you tips on things like font type and > size. > > I've not created a brochure, but have created flyers for a club and > readers. > So, that said, here is what I might do for a brochure. > > I have a little central vision so this may help me pick a font. I'd select > a > font with curly edges of letters. > such as Georgia. Another idea would be pick one with dark block letter > lines > such as Impact or > Showcard gothic. > You should type your information in smaller font, maybe size 12 or 14. If > its a list of important things like dates, you might want to make a > bulleted list. > Note that Word had several types of bullets, but I think the more common > ones are a square bullet or the circle filled bullet; that is what I've > seen > often. But you can always check with someone sighted to find out. > > Then you might want to add some pictures by either using clip art or > cutting > and pasting in existing pictures from other sources. > Clip art is in the insert tab. > > Finally, Microsoft word lets you add page borders and a background color, > but I suggest printing on colored paper, its easier. > To do either one, go to the page layout tab. If you wish to add a border, > go > to page borders in that tab. If you tab to the combo box that says > art, you can pick any number of picture borders that will be displayed > around the page; quite pretty but not sure it would help for this type of > brochure. All pictures are spoken so you know what you're choosing; pick > one > and press enter, otherwise its not selected. > Art graphics include apples, cookies, cake, hearts, and even Christmas > trees. > > You can also write text into a box; I suggest picking the first box so it > does not look like a template then. To do this go to the insert tab and tab > to text box; open that display of choices and press enter on the first > choice wich is the simple text box with no additional formatting. > It is in the center of your page, but to move it, press the standard > commands of control L for left or control R for right. > You can also create tables in word; that is accessible too. That might be > good for some brochures. > > If we have more info on the expectations for it and who the audience is, we > might have more ideas. You can make it look funny or serious, depending on > the audience. > hth, > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ashley Coleman > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 10:19 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Brochure help, > > Hi all, > My name is Ashley and I am attending UNCP for a degree in Special > Education Teaching. > > I am wondering if any of you have had to create a tri-fold brochure for a > class, if you did how did you accomplish it. I am using Microsoft Word > 2010 and Jaws 12. > > Thanks, Ashley, > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com > From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Wed Aug 22 15:01:30 2012 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 11:01:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Black board question In-Reply-To: References: <5033c166.2610b60a.348e.3388@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Dear list, I would like to back up what was said about Blackboard being accessible. I have used it for over a year now (this is my third semester using it for all my classes), and the only problems I have had were not because of inaccessibility of Blackboard (such as .PDF files or inaccessible powerpoints). I also just posted on the discussion forum for my literature class and using Insert + F7 to find the links to create a new thread and submit, I had no problem! B The latest version of Blackboard, which my college has, is as close to accessible as you can get, and is even friendly with headings and links. If Blackboard is not working for someone, it may be that the school has a previous version of Blackboard. I believe the latest is 9.1? I happen to love Blackboard for my classes. When a professor says "It's on Blackboard" I jump for joy, because it means I have access to the same things that other students can access. My two cents, Jewel Shuping Wake Technical Community College On 8/21/12, Nathan Clark wrote: > Dear all, > Blackboard is user friendly to the blind. I worked for my college's > blackboard staff for almost two semesters and it is good. The only > part you may have problems is with the Discussion Board. However, I > don't know exactly know what version my school is running but I like > how Jaws navigates around the site. > Sincerely, > Nathan Clark > > On 8/21/12, Patrick Molloy wrote: >> Have they given a reason why they won't do that? If they are uploading >> things to Blackboard, then they already have electronic copies of the >> documents. Maybe talk to your disabilities office and tell them what's >> going on. They might be able to talk to the professors for you and >> solve the problem. >> >> On 8/21/12, Koby Cox wrote: >>> Patrick, >>> They are refusing to do so. >>> Koby. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Patrick Molloy >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 11:54:43 -0400 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Black board question >>> >>> Koby, >>> As far as I know, Blackboard isn't accessible with JAWS. It can >>> work, >>> but it's difficult. Newer versions of Blackboard are "better," >>> but >>> that's not saying much. On the other hand, Moodle, which is >>> similar in >>> nature to Blackboard, is more accessible. The best workaround >>> I've >>> found is to just have your professors e-mail things. >>> Patrick >>> >>> On 8/21/12, Koby Cox wrote: >>> Hello all, >>> Is blackboard accessible with JAWS? Is there a way to make it >>> accessible with JAWS? >>> Right back soon, >>> Koby. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% >>> 40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gma >>> il.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > From ignasicambra at gmail.com Wed Aug 22 15:03:10 2012 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 11:03:10 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Iphone apps for students In-Reply-To: <8A24CFA5-59C4-403E-AFE4-4B457554F027@gmail.com> References: <555BE90F-160F-4DE3-A4FB-27E8A8E63518@gmail.com> <8A24CFA5-59C4-403E-AFE4-4B457554F027@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7315011423932830902@unknownmsgid> Hello, First of all I would suggest that you buy a small bluetooth keyboard to use with your phone. Taking notes is really a lot faster that way. I don't think you can find a single app that will do everything that you need. You can probably use the Pages app to take notes. I personally haven't used it a lot so I'm not sure which file formats it can save to, but I'm pretty sure it should be able to open Ms Word and rtf files. You can also try and see how accessible ppt files are when using the Keynote iPhone app. Maybe someone else on this list is familiar with it? Both Pages and Keynote work with iCloud, so you should be able to access your documents from any computer through the icloud.com site. The Dropbox app for iOS is quite nice and it allows you to view many kinds of files, but it won't let you edit them. I have used the Notes app that comes installed on the iPhone and it works just fine when taking simple notes in class. You can easily organize notes by date and give them a title. It is also possible for you to email notes, and you can even use the Voice Memos app to record the lecture at the same time, in case you miss anything and you want to add it to your notes later. Hope it helps! Sent from my iPhone On Aug 22, 2012, at 10:50 AM, Marsha Drenth wrote: >> Hi students, >> >> Looks like this semester, I'll be using my IPhone for notetaking in class. And although this is not an bad option. I am looking for an app that is easily accessible, works on the IPhone. and I can edit PDF, RTF, TXT, DOC, DOCX, excel, access, and PP files. I would like for it to be capable with Dropbox too. I have been combing the internet for an app solution, but have not found anything exactly to what I am looking for. So if any of you students have suggestions. Please do let me know. You can email me off list. >> >> My computer crashed and burned a few weeks ago. Have been working for weeks to even recover the basic of files off the dead computer. Now I am waiting for OVR to get the laptop in that I ordered. Classes start next week, so I need somethingsoon. I have an ancient laptop, but my Iphone is faster and more powerful at this point than it. >> >> Thank you in advance, >> >> Marsha drenthSent from my iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From amc05111 at gmail.com Wed Aug 22 16:21:13 2012 From: amc05111 at gmail.com (Ashley Coleman) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:21:13 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Black board question In-Reply-To: References: <5033c166.2610b60a.348e.3388@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi all, I'd like to back up what Jewel had to say. I've been using BlackBoard for several years now, and it's always been eccessible. If someone is having problems they might want to check and see if their screen reader is updated. Ashley C On 8/22/12, Jewel wrote: > Dear list, > I would like to back up what was said about Blackboard being > accessible. I have used it for over a year now (this is my third > semester using it for all my classes), and the only problems I have > had were not because of inaccessibility of Blackboard (such as .PDF > files or inaccessible powerpoints). I also just posted on the > discussion forum for my literature class and using Insert + F7 to find > the links to create a new thread and submit, I had no problem! B The > latest version of Blackboard, which my college has, is as close to > accessible as you can get, and is even friendly with headings and > links. If Blackboard is not working for someone, it may be that the > school has a previous version of Blackboard. I believe the latest is > 9.1? I happen to love Blackboard for my classes. When a professor says > "It's on Blackboard" I jump for joy, because it means I have access to > the same things that other students can access. > My two cents, > Jewel Shuping > Wake Technical Community College > > On 8/21/12, Nathan Clark wrote: >> Dear all, >> Blackboard is user friendly to the blind. I worked for my college's >> blackboard staff for almost two semesters and it is good. The only >> part you may have problems is with the Discussion Board. However, I >> don't know exactly know what version my school is running but I like >> how Jaws navigates around the site. >> Sincerely, >> Nathan Clark >> >> On 8/21/12, Patrick Molloy wrote: >>> Have they given a reason why they won't do that? If they are uploading >>> things to Blackboard, then they already have electronic copies of the >>> documents. Maybe talk to your disabilities office and tell them what's >>> going on. They might be able to talk to the professors for you and >>> solve the problem. >>> >>> On 8/21/12, Koby Cox wrote: >>>> Patrick, >>>> They are refusing to do so. >>>> Koby. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Patrick Molloy >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>> Date sent: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 11:54:43 -0400 >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Black board question >>>> >>>> Koby, >>>> As far as I know, Blackboard isn't accessible with JAWS. It can >>>> work, >>>> but it's difficult. Newer versions of Blackboard are "better," >>>> but >>>> that's not saying much. On the other hand, Moodle, which is >>>> similar in >>>> nature to Blackboard, is more accessible. The best workaround >>>> I've >>>> found is to just have your professors e-mail things. >>>> Patrick >>>> >>>> On 8/21/12, Koby Cox wrote: >>>> Hello all, >>>> Is blackboard accessible with JAWS? Is there a way to make it >>>> accessible with JAWS? >>>> Right back soon, >>>> Koby. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% >>>> 40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gma >>>> il.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com > From kobycox at gmail.com Wed Aug 22 16:42:59 2012 From: kobycox at gmail.com (Koby Cox) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 11:42:59 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Black board question Message-ID: <50350c33.2393b60a.1888.ffff8f13@mx.google.com> Ashley, Can you email me off list? My email address Is as follthes: kobycox%gmailcom ----- Original Message ----- From: Ashley Coleman wrote: Dear list, I would like to back up what was said about Blackboard being accessible. I have used it for over a year now (this is my third semester using it for all my classes), and the only problems I have had were not because of inaccessibility of Blackboard (such as .PDF files or inaccessible powerpoints). I also just posted on the discussion forum for my literature class and using Insert + F7 to find the links to create a new thread and submit, I had no problem! B The latest version of Blackboard, which my college has, is as close to accessible as you can get, and is even friendly with headings and links. If Blackboard is not working for someone, it may be that the school has a previous version of Blackboard. I believe the latest is 9.1? I happen to love Blackboard for my classes. When a professor says "It's on Blackboard" I jump for joy, because it means I have access to the same things that other students can access. My two cents, Jewel Shuping Wake Technical Community College On 8/21/12, Nathan Clark wrote: Dear all, Blackboard is user friendly to the blind. I worked for my college's blackboard staff for almost two semesters and it is good. The only part you may have problems is with the Discussion Board. However, I don't know exactly know what version my school is running but I like how Jaws navigates around the site. Sincerely, Nathan Clark On 8/21/12, Patrick Molloy wrote: Have they given a reason why they won't do that? If they are uploading things to Blackboard, then they already have electronic copies of the documents. Maybe talk to your disabilities office and tell them what's going on. They might be able to talk to the professors for you and solve the problem. On 8/21/12, Koby Cox wrote: Patrick, They are refusing to do so. Koby. ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick Molloy wrote: Hello all, Is blackboard accessible with JAWS? Is there a way to make it accessible with JAWS? Right back soon, Koby. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% 40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gma il.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% 40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark% 40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2 %40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gm ail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gma il.com From troubleclark at gmail.com Wed Aug 22 16:49:55 2012 From: troubleclark at gmail.com (Nathan Clark) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:49:55 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Black board question In-Reply-To: <50350c33.2393b60a.1888.ffff8f13@mx.google.com> References: <50350c33.2393b60a.1888.ffff8f13@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Dear Ashley, You can also email me off list if you want. My email is troubleclark at gmail.com Nathan On 8/22/12, Koby Cox wrote: > Ashley, > Can you email me off list? My email address Is as follthes: > kobycox%gmailcom ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ashley Coleman To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:21:13 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Black board question > > Hi all, > I'd like to back up what Jewel had to say. > > I've been using BlackBoard for several years now, and it's always > been > eccessible. If someone is having problems they might want to > check > and see if their screen reader is updated. > > Ashley C > > On 8/22/12, Jewel wrote: > Dear list, > I would like to back up what was said about Blackboard being > accessible. I have used it for over a year now (this is my > third > semester using it for all my classes), and the only problems I > have > had were not because of inaccessibility of Blackboard (such as > .PDF > files or inaccessible powerpoints). I also just posted on the > discussion forum for my literature class and using Insert + F7 > to find > the links to create a new thread and submit, I had no problem! B > The > latest version of Blackboard, which my college has, is as close > to > accessible as you can get, and is even friendly with headings > and > links. If Blackboard is not working for someone, it may be that > the > school has a previous version of Blackboard. I believe the > latest is > 9.1? I happen to love Blackboard for my classes. When a > professor says > "It's on Blackboard" I jump for joy, because it means I have > access to > the same things that other students can access. > My two cents, > Jewel Shuping > Wake Technical Community College > > On 8/21/12, Nathan Clark wrote: > Dear all, > Blackboard is user friendly to the blind. I worked for my > college's > blackboard staff for almost two semesters and it is good. The > only > part you may have problems is with the Discussion Board. > However, I > don't know exactly know what version my school is running but I > like > how Jaws navigates around the site. > Sincerely, > Nathan Clark > > On 8/21/12, Patrick Molloy wrote: > Have they given a reason why they won't do that? If they are > uploading > things to Blackboard, then they already have electronic copies > of the > documents. Maybe talk to your disabilities office and tell them > what's > going on. They might be able to talk to the professors for you > and > solve the problem. > > On 8/21/12, Koby Cox wrote: > Patrick, > They are refusing to do so. > Koby. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Patrick Molloy To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 11:54:43 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Black board question > > Koby, > As far as I know, Blackboard isn't accessible with JAWS. It can > work, > but it's difficult. Newer versions of Blackboard are "better," > but > that's not saying much. On the other hand, Moodle, which is > similar in > nature to Blackboard, is more accessible. The best workaround > I've > found is to just have your professors e-mail things. > Patrick > > On 8/21/12, Koby Cox wrote: > Hello all, > Is blackboard accessible with JAWS? Is there a way to make it > accessible with JAWS? > Right back soon, > Koby. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% > 40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gma > il.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% > 40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark% > 40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2 > %40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gm > ail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gma > il.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark%40gmail.com > From dsykora29 at gmail.com Wed Aug 22 16:54:08 2012 From: dsykora29 at gmail.com (Danielle Sykora) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:54:08 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Brochure help, In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi everyone, These are all good suggestions. I often have to make brochures for my classes and I usually ask my teachers for suggestions about font size, type, and color. A bulleted list is very useful for displaying important information. Danielle On 8/22/12, Ashley Coleman wrote: > Good Idea,! > Ashley CJoshua > > On 8/21/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >> Wow! >> I was just thinking about this! >> I hate to highjack this thread, but I've noticed a trend! >> We have so many students on here, with the same first name! >> We have two Joshes, 3 Ashleys, etc. >> We need to come up with a way to make it known, which person with a >> similar >> name, we're talking to on this list! >> Thanks, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >> Ashley Bramlett [bookwormahb at earthlink.net] >> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 9:59 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Brochure help, >> >> Ashley, >> I'm Ashley too and I attend a community college part time getting a >> certificate while looking for work; I have a BA in liberal studies; I'll >> get >> a certificate and extra relevant classes for my resume here at nova. >> >> About the brochure, jaws doesn't always describe colors and layout well. >> However, if you just need a simple brochure, creating one will not >> require >> much extra eyes. What is its purpose? >> >> Do you have any vision? If so this will aid you in creating it. If not, >> do >> the best with jaws and have a sighted person assist you in the layout. >> Also, your professor should give you tips on things like font type and >> size. >> >> I've not created a brochure, but have created flyers for a club and >> readers. >> So, that said, here is what I might do for a brochure. >> >> I have a little central vision so this may help me pick a font. I'd >> select >> a >> font with curly edges of letters. >> such as Georgia. Another idea would be pick one with dark block letter >> lines >> such as Impact or >> Showcard gothic. >> You should type your information in smaller font, maybe size 12 or 14. If >> its a list of important things like dates, you might want to make a >> bulleted list. >> Note that Word had several types of bullets, but I think the more common >> ones are a square bullet or the circle filled bullet; that is what I've >> seen >> often. But you can always check with someone sighted to find out. >> >> Then you might want to add some pictures by either using clip art or >> cutting >> and pasting in existing pictures from other sources. >> Clip art is in the insert tab. >> >> Finally, Microsoft word lets you add page borders and a background color, >> but I suggest printing on colored paper, its easier. >> To do either one, go to the page layout tab. If you wish to add a border, >> go >> to page borders in that tab. If you tab to the combo box that says >> art, you can pick any number of picture borders that will be displayed >> around the page; quite pretty but not sure it would help for this type of >> brochure. All pictures are spoken so you know what you're choosing; pick >> one >> and press enter, otherwise its not selected. >> Art graphics include apples, cookies, cake, hearts, and even Christmas >> trees. >> >> You can also write text into a box; I suggest picking the first box so it >> does not look like a template then. To do this go to the insert tab and >> tab >> to text box; open that display of choices and press enter on the first >> choice wich is the simple text box with no additional formatting. >> It is in the center of your page, but to move it, press the standard >> commands of control L for left or control R for right. >> You can also create tables in word; that is accessible too. That might be >> good for some brochures. >> >> If we have more info on the expectations for it and who the audience is, >> we >> might have more ideas. You can make it look funny or serious, depending >> on >> the audience. >> hth, >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ashley Coleman >> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 10:19 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] Brochure help, >> >> Hi all, >> My name is Ashley and I am attending UNCP for a degree in Special >> Education Teaching. >> >> I am wondering if any of you have had to create a tri-fold brochure for a >> class, if you did how did you accomplish it. I am using Microsoft Word >> 2010 and Jaws 12. >> >> Thanks, Ashley, >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40gmail.com > From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Wed Aug 22 17:01:49 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 17:01:49 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail In-Reply-To: References: <000301cd7bc4$2828a050$7879e0f0$@com> <003c01cd7bc8$e3bad3c0$ab307b40$@gmail.com> <000301cd7bce$b9aa0820$2cfe1860$@gmail.com> <-7564069964922924230@unknownmsgid> <8716508767197085693@unknownmsgid> <391507BB-59BA-4143-9AAD-F0CDF073D63E@gmail.com> <6B9A3D2F-0001-4D86-8A33-A28E57C17AF1@gmail.com> , Message-ID: I'm having issues with my favorite clients, GMail, and Yahoo. How accessible is AOL? Thanks, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Coleman [amc05111 at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 9:48 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail Joshua, I would suggest using another email client for your personal email because it would be simpler to handle. Ashley C On 8/21/12, Joshua Lester wrote: > I'm bumping this E-mail thread, because I've noticed some things that are > troubling me. > My student address book is filled with every student's college E-mail > address, and every other employee's E-mail addresses! > I can't create my own contacts, because the people have built this address > book up, with everyone's E-mail addresses, and I don't necessarily want the > contact information of every single student, on all 3 campuses! > Whatever happened to student privacy? > Also, I can't get to my contacts on this interface! > Please help! > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of > Lavonya Gardner [hotdancer1416 at gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 4:55 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail > > That sucks! Y is that? > > Sent from my iPad > > On Aug 18, 2012, at 14:51, Joshua Lester > wrote: > >> The GMail server has been phased out, so I'm stuck with this one. >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >> Lavonya Gardner [hotdancer1416 at gmail.com] >> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 3:20 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >> >> Go back 2 g mail >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Aug 18, 2012, at 11:40, Joshua Lester >> wrote: >> >>> Now, to another question. >>> How can I access my contacts, on this new interface? >>> When I go to contacts, it won't let me view them, like GMail would. >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >>> Ignasi Cambra [ignasicambra at gmail.com] >>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 10:29 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>> >>> Obviously by reading your email I meant both reading and sending...! >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Aug 17, 2012, at 3:17 PM, Joshua Lester >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I can read my E-mails just fine, but it's sending one E-mail to multiple >>>> recipiants, that's troubling me. >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>> ________________________________________ >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >>>> Ignasi Cambra [ignasicambra at gmail.com] >>>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 3:02 AM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>> >>>> I don't know how accessible the web interface is, but if it doesn't >>>> work you should try reading your email from an email program such as >>>> Outlook or anything else that you like. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Aug 16, 2012, at 12:53 PM, Joshua Lester >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> It's a WebMail interface. >>>>> The interface is called, "Microsoft Exchange." >>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>> ________________________________________ >>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf >>>>> of Chris Nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] >>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:46 AM >>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>>> >>>>> Hi Joshua, >>>>> >>>>> Good. That's what I use. Are you using the Microsoft Outlook program or >>>>> a >>>>> Web mail interface? >>>>> >>>>> Chris >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>> Behalf >>>>> Of Joshua Lester >>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 12:26 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>>> >>>>> It's the latest version. >>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>> ________________________________________ >>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf >>>>> of >>>>> Chris Nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] >>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:04 AM >>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>>> >>>>> Hi Joshua, >>>>> >>>>> If you need any help learning how to use Outlook, please let me know. I >>>>> use >>>>> Outlook for my email and love it. >>>>> >>>>> Chris >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>> Behalf >>>>> Of Chun Chao >>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:31 AM >>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>>> >>>>> Joshua: >>>>> >>>>> What version of Outlook are you using? (2003, 2007, 2010) Also, have >>>>> you >>>>> configured Outlook so that it will synchronize with Gmail when you >>>>> check >>>>> your emails? This will make adding recipients much easier. >>>>> Did you also add your contacts to the Address Book within Outlook? >>>>> You can add multiple recipients to both the "To" and "CC" fields, just >>>>> remember to have a semicolon in between. >>>>> >>>>> C.C. Alan >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>> Behalf >>>>> Of Joshua Lester >>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 7:51 AM >>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>>> >>>>> Please help me! >>>>> My student E-mail address has changed, along with our server. >>>>> They've traded the GMail server for Microsoft Web Exchange, powered by >>>>> Outlook! >>>>> I hate Outlook, because it's difficult to send an E-mail to multiple >>>>> recipiants. >>>>> Does anyone know why it won't cooperate with me, when I try to E-mail >>>>> multiple recipiants? >>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> 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From: kobycox at gmail.com (Koby Cox) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:10:16 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Black board question Message-ID: <5035127d.c6123c0a.6f11.ffff946a@mx.google.com> Ashley, My email address Is as follows: kokbycox%gmailcom ----- Original Message ----- From: Nathan Clark wrote: Ashley, Can you email me off list? My email address Is as follthes: kobycox%gmailcom ----- Original Message ----- From: Ashley Coleman wrote: Dear list, I would like to back up what was said about Blackboard being accessible. I have used it for over a year now (this is my third semester using it for all my classes), and the only problems I have had were not because of inaccessibility of Blackboard (such as .PDF files or inaccessible powerpoints). I also just posted on the discussion forum for my literature class and using Insert + F7 to find the links to create a new thread and submit, I had no problem! B The latest version of Blackboard, which my college has, is as close to accessible as you can get, and is even friendly with headings and links. If Blackboard is not working for someone, it may be that the school has a previous version of Blackboard. I believe the latest is 9.1? I happen to love Blackboard for my classes. When a professor says "It's on Blackboard" I jump for joy, because it means I have access to the same things that other students can access. My two cents, Jewel Shuping Wake Technical Community College On 8/21/12, Nathan Clark wrote: Dear all, Blackboard is user friendly to the blind. I worked for my college's blackboard staff for almost two semesters and it is good. The only part you may have problems is with the Discussion Board. However, I don't know exactly know what version my school is running but I like how Jaws navigates around the site. Sincerely, Nathan Clark On 8/21/12, Patrick Molloy wrote: Have they given a reason why they won't do that? If they are uploading things to Blackboard, then they already have electronic copies of the documents. Maybe talk to your disabilities office and tell them what's going on. They might be able to talk to the professors for you and solve the problem. On 8/21/12, Koby Cox wrote: Patrick, They are refusing to do so. Koby. ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick Molloy wrote: Hello all, Is blackboard accessible with JAWS? Is there a way to make it accessible with JAWS? Right back soon, Koby. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% 40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gma il.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% 40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark% 40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2 %40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gm ail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gma il.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark% 40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gma il.com From joshkart12 at gmail.com Wed Aug 22 17:31:22 2012 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (josh gregory) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 13:31:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Black board question In-Reply-To: <5035127d.c6123c0a.6f11.ffff946a@mx.google.com> References: <5035127d.c6123c0a.6f11.ffff946a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: koby: Whatever your using is translating it wrong: So to help you, it's kobbycox at gmail.com, if that's right. On 8/22/12, Koby Cox wrote: > Ashley, > My email address Is as follows: > kokbycox%gmailcom > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Nathan Clark To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:49:55 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Black board question > > Dear Ashley, > You can also email me off list if you want. My email is > troubleclark at gmail.com > Nathan > > On 8/22/12, Koby Cox wrote: > Ashley, > Can you email me off list? My email address Is as follthes: > kobycox%gmailcom ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ashley Coleman To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:21:13 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Black board question > > Hi all, > I'd like to back up what Jewel had to say. > > I've been using BlackBoard for several years now, and it's > always > been > eccessible. If someone is having problems they might want to > check > and see if their screen reader is updated. > > Ashley C > > On 8/22/12, Jewel wrote: > Dear list, > I would like to back up what was said about Blackboard being > accessible. I have used it for over a year now (this is my > third > semester using it for all my classes), and the only problems I > have > had were not because of inaccessibility of Blackboard (such as > .PDF > files or inaccessible powerpoints). I also just posted on the > discussion forum for my literature class and using Insert + F7 > to find > the links to create a new thread and submit, I had no problem! > B > The > latest version of Blackboard, which my college has, is as close > to > accessible as you can get, and is even friendly with headings > and > links. If Blackboard is not working for someone, it may be > that > the > school has a previous version of Blackboard. I believe the > latest is > 9.1? I happen to love Blackboard for my classes. When a > professor says > "It's on Blackboard" I jump for joy, because it means I have > access to > the same things that other students can access. > My two cents, > Jewel Shuping > Wake Technical Community College > > On 8/21/12, Nathan Clark wrote: > Dear all, > Blackboard is user friendly to the blind. I worked for my > college's > blackboard staff for almost two semesters and it is good. The > only > part you may have problems is with the Discussion Board. > However, I > don't know exactly know what version my school is running but I > like > how Jaws navigates around the site. > Sincerely, > Nathan Clark > > On 8/21/12, Patrick Molloy wrote: > Have they given a reason why they won't do that? If they are > uploading > things to Blackboard, then they already have electronic copies > of the > documents. Maybe talk to your disabilities office and tell > them > what's > going on. They might be able to talk to the professors for you > and > solve the problem. > > On 8/21/12, Koby Cox wrote: > Patrick, > They are refusing to do so. > Koby. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Patrick Molloy To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 11:54:43 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Black board question > > Koby, > As far as I know, Blackboard isn't accessible with JAWS. It > can > work, > but it's difficult. Newer versions of Blackboard are "better," > but > that's not saying much. On the other hand, Moodle, which is > similar in > nature to Blackboard, is more accessible. The best workaround > I've > found is to just have your professors e-mail things. > Patrick > > On 8/21/12, Koby Cox wrote: > Hello all, > Is blackboard accessible with JAWS? Is there a way to make it > accessible with JAWS? > Right back soon, > Koby. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% > 40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gma > il.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% > 40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark% > 40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2 > %40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gm > ail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gma > il.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark% > 40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gma > il.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com > -- Ways to Connect with me: facebook.com/evercuriousmasteryodo twitter.com/joshg93 Skype: joshgregory93 FaceTime, iMessage and iChat: joshkart12 at gmail.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Wed Aug 22 17:43:17 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 11:43:17 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Listserv Courtesy and Off-list Messages Message-ID: Hi all, Please remember that we have many busy students on this list who read messages one at a time and would appreciate a reduction in email clutter. Everyone's email addresses should appear in the headers of their messages, so there should be no need to give out your email address on-list. Instead of asking someone to write you off-list, please just take a few moments to look up their email address and write to them privately. Keep in mind also that some people on this list are very busy and may not respond to your off-list note right away, or may prefer not to chat off-list with listserv friends, and please respect their preferences. Best, Arielle Silverman - past NABS president and list chair On 8/22/12, josh gregory wrote: > koby: Whatever your using is translating it wrong: So to help you, > it's kobbycox at gmail.com, if that's right. > > On 8/22/12, Koby Cox wrote: >> Ashley, >> My email address Is as follows: >> kokbycox%gmailcom >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Nathan Clark > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:49:55 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Black board question >> >> Dear Ashley, >> You can also email me off list if you want. My email is >> troubleclark at gmail.com >> Nathan >> >> On 8/22/12, Koby Cox wrote: >> Ashley, >> Can you email me off list? My email address Is as follthes: >> kobycox%gmailcom ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Ashley Coleman > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:21:13 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Black board question >> >> Hi all, >> I'd like to back up what Jewel had to say. >> >> I've been using BlackBoard for several years now, and it's >> always >> been >> eccessible. If someone is having problems they might want to >> check >> and see if their screen reader is updated. >> >> Ashley C >> >> On 8/22/12, Jewel wrote: >> Dear list, >> I would like to back up what was said about Blackboard being >> accessible. I have used it for over a year now (this is my >> third >> semester using it for all my classes), and the only problems I >> have >> had were not because of inaccessibility of Blackboard (such as >> .PDF >> files or inaccessible powerpoints). I also just posted on the >> discussion forum for my literature class and using Insert + F7 >> to find >> the links to create a new thread and submit, I had no problem! >> B >> The >> latest version of Blackboard, which my college has, is as close >> to >> accessible as you can get, and is even friendly with headings >> and >> links. If Blackboard is not working for someone, it may be >> that >> the >> school has a previous version of Blackboard. I believe the >> latest is >> 9.1? I happen to love Blackboard for my classes. When a >> professor says >> "It's on Blackboard" I jump for joy, because it means I have >> access to >> the same things that other students can access. >> My two cents, >> Jewel Shuping >> Wake Technical Community College >> >> On 8/21/12, Nathan Clark wrote: >> Dear all, >> Blackboard is user friendly to the blind. I worked for my >> college's >> blackboard staff for almost two semesters and it is good. The >> only >> part you may have problems is with the Discussion Board. >> However, I >> don't know exactly know what version my school is running but I >> like >> how Jaws navigates around the site. >> Sincerely, >> Nathan Clark >> >> On 8/21/12, Patrick Molloy wrote: >> Have they given a reason why they won't do that? If they are >> uploading >> things to Blackboard, then they already have electronic copies >> of the >> documents. Maybe talk to your disabilities office and tell >> them >> what's >> going on. They might be able to talk to the professors for you >> and >> solve the problem. >> >> On 8/21/12, Koby Cox wrote: >> Patrick, >> They are refusing to do so. >> Koby. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Patrick Molloy > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 11:54:43 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Black board question >> >> Koby, >> As far as I know, Blackboard isn't accessible with JAWS. It >> can >> work, >> but it's difficult. Newer versions of Blackboard are "better," >> but >> that's not saying much. On the other hand, Moodle, which is >> similar in >> nature to Blackboard, is more accessible. The best workaround >> I've >> found is to just have your professors e-mail things. >> Patrick >> >> On 8/21/12, Koby Cox wrote: >> Hello all, >> Is blackboard accessible with JAWS? Is there a way to make it >> accessible with JAWS? >> Right back soon, >> Koby. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% >> 40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info >> for nabs-l: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gma >> il.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% >> 40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark% >> 40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2 >> %40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gm >> ail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info >> for nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gma >> il.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark% >> 40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gma >> il.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Ways to Connect with me: > > facebook.com/evercuriousmasteryodo > > twitter.com/joshg93 > Skype: joshgregory93 > FaceTime, iMessage and iChat: joshkart12 at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Wed Aug 22 17:47:20 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 17:47:20 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Listserv Courtesy and Off-list Messages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Arielle. Thanks for this message! I was just about to say the same thing, but as usual, you beat me to it! LOL! Thanks again. Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Arielle Silverman [arielle71 at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:43 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Listserv Courtesy and Off-list Messages Hi all, Please remember that we have many busy students on this list who read messages one at a time and would appreciate a reduction in email clutter. Everyone's email addresses should appear in the headers of their messages, so there should be no need to give out your email address on-list. Instead of asking someone to write you off-list, please just take a few moments to look up their email address and write to them privately. Keep in mind also that some people on this list are very busy and may not respond to your off-list note right away, or may prefer not to chat off-list with listserv friends, and please respect their preferences. Best, Arielle Silverman - past NABS president and list chair On 8/22/12, josh gregory wrote: > koby: Whatever your using is translating it wrong: So to help you, > it's kobbycox at gmail.com, if that's right. > > On 8/22/12, Koby Cox wrote: >> Ashley, >> My email address Is as follows: >> kokbycox%gmailcom >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Nathan Clark > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:49:55 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Black board question >> >> Dear Ashley, >> You can also email me off list if you want. My email is >> troubleclark at gmail.com >> Nathan >> >> On 8/22/12, Koby Cox wrote: >> Ashley, >> Can you email me off list? My email address Is as follthes: >> kobycox%gmailcom ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Ashley Coleman > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:21:13 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Black board question >> >> Hi all, >> I'd like to back up what Jewel had to say. >> >> I've been using BlackBoard for several years now, and it's >> always >> been >> eccessible. If someone is having problems they might want to >> check >> and see if their screen reader is updated. >> >> Ashley C >> >> On 8/22/12, Jewel wrote: >> Dear list, >> I would like to back up what was said about Blackboard being >> accessible. I have used it for over a year now (this is my >> third >> semester using it for all my classes), and the only problems I >> have >> had were not because of inaccessibility of Blackboard (such as >> .PDF >> files or inaccessible powerpoints). I also just posted on the >> discussion forum for my literature class and using Insert + F7 >> to find >> the links to create a new thread and submit, I had no problem! >> B >> The >> latest version of Blackboard, which my college has, is as close >> to >> accessible as you can get, and is even friendly with headings >> and >> links. If Blackboard is not working for someone, it may be >> that >> the >> school has a previous version of Blackboard. I believe the >> latest is >> 9.1? I happen to love Blackboard for my classes. When a >> professor says >> "It's on Blackboard" I jump for joy, because it means I have >> access to >> the same things that other students can access. >> My two cents, >> Jewel Shuping >> Wake Technical Community College >> >> On 8/21/12, Nathan Clark wrote: >> Dear all, >> Blackboard is user friendly to the blind. I worked for my >> college's >> blackboard staff for almost two semesters and it is good. The >> only >> part you may have problems is with the Discussion Board. >> However, I >> don't know exactly know what version my school is running but I >> like >> how Jaws navigates around the site. >> Sincerely, >> Nathan Clark >> >> On 8/21/12, Patrick Molloy wrote: >> Have they given a reason why they won't do that? If they are >> uploading >> things to Blackboard, then they already have electronic copies >> of the >> documents. Maybe talk to your disabilities office and tell >> them >> what's >> going on. They might be able to talk to the professors for you >> and >> solve the problem. >> >> On 8/21/12, Koby Cox wrote: >> Patrick, >> They are refusing to do so. >> Koby. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Patrick Molloy > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 11:54:43 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Black board question >> >> Koby, >> As far as I know, Blackboard isn't accessible with JAWS. It >> can >> work, >> but it's difficult. Newer versions of Blackboard are "better," >> but >> that's not saying much. On the other hand, Moodle, which is >> similar in >> nature to Blackboard, is more accessible. The best workaround >> I've >> found is to just have your professors e-mail things. >> Patrick >> >> On 8/21/12, Koby Cox wrote: >> Hello all, >> Is blackboard accessible with JAWS? Is there a way to make it >> accessible with JAWS? >> Right back soon, >> Koby. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% >> 40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info >> for nabs-l: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gma >> il.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% >> 40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark% >> 40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2 >> %40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gm >> ail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info >> for nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gma >> il.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark% >> 40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gma >> il.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Ways to Connect with me: > > facebook.com/evercuriousmasteryodo > > twitter.com/joshg93 > Skype: joshgregory93 > FaceTime, iMessage and iChat: joshkart12 at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From kobycox at gmail.com Wed Aug 22 18:55:55 2012 From: kobycox at gmail.com (Koby) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 13:55:55 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Listserv Courtesy and Off-list Messages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <106AB234-E8A0-4F04-BFBC-DCB2FF537855@gmail.com> Will do. Koby Sent from my iPhone On Aug 22, 2012, at 12:47 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > Hi Arielle. > Thanks for this message! > I was just about to say the same thing, but as usual, you beat me to it! > LOL! > Thanks again. > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Arielle Silverman [arielle71 at gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:43 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Listserv Courtesy and Off-list Messages > > Hi all, > Please remember that we have many busy students on this list who read > messages one at a time and would appreciate a reduction in email > clutter. Everyone's email addresses should appear in the headers of > their messages, so there should be no need to give out your email > address on-list. Instead of asking someone to write you off-list, > please just take a few moments to look up their email address and > write to them privately. Keep in mind also that some people on this > list are very busy and may not respond to your off-list note right > away, or may prefer not to chat off-list with listserv friends, and > please respect their preferences. > Best, > Arielle Silverman - past NABS president and list chair > > On 8/22/12, josh gregory wrote: >> koby: Whatever your using is translating it wrong: So to help you, >> it's kobbycox at gmail.com, if that's right. >> >> On 8/22/12, Koby Cox wrote: >>> Ashley, >>> My email address Is as follows: >>> kokbycox%gmailcom >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Nathan Clark >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:49:55 -0400 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Black board question >>> >>> Dear Ashley, >>> You can also email me off list if you want. My email is >>> troubleclark at gmail.com >>> Nathan >>> >>> On 8/22/12, Koby Cox wrote: >>> Ashley, >>> Can you email me off list? My email address Is as follthes: >>> kobycox%gmailcom ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Ashley Coleman >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:21:13 -0400 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Black board question >>> >>> Hi all, >>> I'd like to back up what Jewel had to say. >>> >>> I've been using BlackBoard for several years now, and it's >>> always >>> been >>> eccessible. If someone is having problems they might want to >>> check >>> and see if their screen reader is updated. >>> >>> Ashley C >>> >>> On 8/22/12, Jewel wrote: >>> Dear list, >>> I would like to back up what was said about Blackboard being >>> accessible. I have used it for over a year now (this is my >>> third >>> semester using it for all my classes), and the only problems I >>> have >>> had were not because of inaccessibility of Blackboard (such as >>> .PDF >>> files or inaccessible powerpoints). I also just posted on the >>> discussion forum for my literature class and using Insert + F7 >>> to find >>> the links to create a new thread and submit, I had no problem! >>> B >>> The >>> latest version of Blackboard, which my college has, is as close >>> to >>> accessible as you can get, and is even friendly with headings >>> and >>> links. If Blackboard is not working for someone, it may be >>> that >>> the >>> school has a previous version of Blackboard. I believe the >>> latest is >>> 9.1? I happen to love Blackboard for my classes. When a >>> professor says >>> "It's on Blackboard" I jump for joy, because it means I have >>> access to >>> the same things that other students can access. >>> My two cents, >>> Jewel Shuping >>> Wake Technical Community College >>> >>> On 8/21/12, Nathan Clark wrote: >>> Dear all, >>> Blackboard is user friendly to the blind. I worked for my >>> college's >>> blackboard staff for almost two semesters and it is good. The >>> only >>> part you may have problems is with the Discussion Board. >>> However, I >>> don't know exactly know what version my school is running but I >>> like >>> how Jaws navigates around the site. >>> Sincerely, >>> Nathan Clark >>> >>> On 8/21/12, Patrick Molloy wrote: >>> Have they given a reason why they won't do that? If they are >>> uploading >>> things to Blackboard, then they already have electronic copies >>> of the >>> documents. Maybe talk to your disabilities office and tell >>> them >>> what's >>> going on. They might be able to talk to the professors for you >>> and >>> solve the problem. >>> >>> On 8/21/12, Koby Cox wrote: >>> Patrick, >>> They are refusing to do so. >>> Koby. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Patrick Molloy >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 11:54:43 -0400 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Black board question >>> >>> Koby, >>> As far as I know, Blackboard isn't accessible with JAWS. It >>> can >>> work, >>> but it's difficult. Newer versions of Blackboard are "better," >>> but >>> that's not saying much. On the other hand, Moodle, which is >>> similar in >>> nature to Blackboard, is more accessible. The best workaround >>> I've >>> found is to just have your professors e-mail things. >>> Patrick >>> >>> On 8/21/12, Koby Cox wrote: >>> Hello all, >>> Is blackboard accessible with JAWS? Is there a way to make it >>> accessible with JAWS? >>> Right back soon, >>> Koby. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% >>> 40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info >>> for nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gma >>> il.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% >>> 40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark% >>> 40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2 >>> %40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gm >>> ail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info >>> for nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gma >>> il.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark% >>> 40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gma >>> il.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Ways to Connect with me: >> >> facebook.com/evercuriousmasteryodo >> >> twitter.com/joshg93 >> Skype: joshgregory93 >> FaceTime, iMessage and iChat: joshkart12 at gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com From knownoflove at gmail.com Wed Aug 22 19:52:33 2012 From: knownoflove at gmail.com (Miranda B.) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 15:52:33 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Rosetta Stone accessibility for online Spanish class? Message-ID: <013801cd809f$ace979b0$06bc6d10$@gmail.com> Hi, I'm considering attending Liberty University online for an Associates of Arts in Interdisciplinary Studies, and I would like to take Spanish classes as 2 of my elective courses. Liberty uses Rosetta Stone, and I'm wondering if this is accessible? Also, if anyone else attends Liberty online and has any tips I'd love to hear them! Thanks in advance for any help, and have a great week! In Christ, Miranda From mistydbradley at gmail.com Wed Aug 22 19:58:17 2012 From: mistydbradley at gmail.com (Misty Dawn Bradley) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 15:58:17 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Has Anyone Ever Used Moodle? Message-ID: Hi all, I just started school this year at my local community college, and they are using an online system called Moodel. Moodel is similar to Blackboard, but I think it is from a different company. For the most part, it is accessible, but I cannot get any of the files that the instructors upload to the site, such as the course syllabus and handouts, to work with JAWS, because it seems that it will not let you download it to your computer and that you have to view it on the page. The file does not show up on the page even though the page says it is there. I have tried with both Fire Fox and Internet Explorer with Jaws 10 in Windows XP. Have any of you ever used Moodel with your school? All of my classes are using it, even though they are face-to-face classes. Thank you, Misty From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Wed Aug 22 20:04:00 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 20:04:00 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Rosetta Stone accessibility for online Spanish class? In-Reply-To: <013801cd809f$ace979b0$06bc6d10$@gmail.com> References: <013801cd809f$ace979b0$06bc6d10$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, Miranda! It's Joshua Lester, from Music Talk! Welcome to the list! Good to see you posting again! When I was attending the Jumpstart program at the Arkansas School for the Blind, (in 2007,) I had a friend who was using Rosetta Stone, and it was accessible. Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Miranda B. [knownoflove at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 2:52 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Rosetta Stone accessibility for online Spanish class? Hi, I'm considering attending Liberty University online for an Associates of Arts in Interdisciplinary Studies, and I would like to take Spanish classes as 2 of my elective courses. Liberty uses Rosetta Stone, and I'm wondering if this is accessible? Also, if anyone else attends Liberty online and has any tips I'd love to hear them! Thanks in advance for any help, and have a great week! In Christ, Miranda _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com Wed Aug 22 20:16:56 2012 From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (aleeha dudley) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 16:16:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Rosetta Stone accessibility for online Spanish class? In-Reply-To: References: <013801cd809f$ace979b0$06bc6d10$@gmail.com> Message-ID: There is a similar thread going on another list. I have learned that Rosetta stone uses images with no description to teach. Aleeha Dudley President, Ohio Association of Blind Students Changing what it means to be blind On Aug 22, 2012, at 4:04 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > Hi, Miranda! > It's Joshua Lester, from Music Talk! > Welcome to the list! > Good to see you posting again! > When I was attending the Jumpstart program at the Arkansas School for the Blind, (in 2007,) I had a friend who was using Rosetta Stone, and it was accessible. > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Miranda B. [knownoflove at gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 2:52 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Rosetta Stone accessibility for online Spanish class? > > Hi, > > I'm considering attending Liberty University online for an Associates of > Arts in Interdisciplinary Studies, and I would like to take Spanish classes > as 2 of my elective courses. > > Liberty uses Rosetta Stone, and I'm wondering if this is accessible? > > Also, if anyone else attends Liberty online and has any tips I'd love to > hear them! > > Thanks in advance for any help, and have a great week! > > > > In Christ, Miranda > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com From joshkart12 at gmail.com Wed Aug 22 20:24:26 2012 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (josh gregory) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 16:24:26 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Rosetta Stone accessibility for online Spanish class? In-Reply-To: References: <013801cd809f$ace979b0$06bc6d10$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Right, and because of that I don't use it, as that is the major showing point, that it does use images. On 8/22/12, aleeha dudley wrote: > There is a similar thread going on another list. I have learned that Rosetta > stone uses images with no description to teach. > > Aleeha Dudley > President, Ohio Association of Blind Students > Changing what it means to be blind > > On Aug 22, 2012, at 4:04 PM, Joshua Lester > wrote: > >> Hi, Miranda! >> It's Joshua Lester, from Music Talk! >> Welcome to the list! >> Good to see you posting again! >> When I was attending the Jumpstart program at the Arkansas School for the >> Blind, (in 2007,) I had a friend who was using Rosetta Stone, and it was >> accessible. >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >> Miranda B. [knownoflove at gmail.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 2:52 PM >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] Rosetta Stone accessibility for online Spanish class? >> >> Hi, >> >> I'm considering attending Liberty University online for an Associates of >> Arts in Interdisciplinary Studies, and I would like to take Spanish >> classes >> as 2 of my elective courses. >> >> Liberty uses Rosetta Stone, and I'm wondering if this is accessible? >> >> Also, if anyone else attends Liberty online and has any tips I'd love to >> hear them! >> >> Thanks in advance for any help, and have a great week! >> >> >> >> In Christ, Miranda >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com > -- Ways to Connect with me: facebook.com/evercuriousmasteryodo twitter.com/joshg93 Skype: joshgregory93 FaceTime, iMessage and iChat: joshkart12 at gmail.com From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Wed Aug 22 20:25:46 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 20:25:46 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Rosetta Stone accessibility for online Spanish class? In-Reply-To: References: <013801cd809f$ace979b0$06bc6d10$@gmail.com> , Message-ID: Aleeha, the version released in 2004, is accessible. I'm afraid that the newer versions aren't accessible, so it's important to find out which version of the program the university uses. Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of aleeha dudley [blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 3:16 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rosetta Stone accessibility for online Spanish class? There is a similar thread going on another list. I have learned that Rosetta stone uses images with no description to teach. Aleeha Dudley President, Ohio Association of Blind Students Changing what it means to be blind On Aug 22, 2012, at 4:04 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > Hi, Miranda! > It's Joshua Lester, from Music Talk! > Welcome to the list! > Good to see you posting again! > When I was attending the Jumpstart program at the Arkansas School for the Blind, (in 2007,) I had a friend who was using Rosetta Stone, and it was accessible. > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Miranda B. [knownoflove at gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 2:52 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Rosetta Stone accessibility for online Spanish class? > > Hi, > > I'm considering attending Liberty University online for an Associates of > Arts in Interdisciplinary Studies, and I would like to take Spanish classes > as 2 of my elective courses. > > Liberty uses Rosetta Stone, and I'm wondering if this is accessible? > > Also, if anyone else attends Liberty online and has any tips I'd love to > hear them! > > Thanks in advance for any help, and have a great week! > > > > In Christ, Miranda > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From carlymih at comcast.net Wed Aug 22 20:29:40 2012 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 13:29:40 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Has Anyone Ever Used Moodle? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20120822132702.01bd91f0@comcast.net> Good afternoon, I have found both Turnitin and MOODLE to sights which happen to both be used at my school damned near unaccessable.. So, for this reason, I insist on simply emailing the assignment. Perhaps you wanna try that? Seems, life is way too short trying to make those inaccessable, things work for us.At 12:58 PM 8/22/2012, Misty Dawn Bradley wrote: >Hi all, >I just started school this year at my local community college, and >they are using an online system called Moodel. Moodel is similar to >Blackboard, but I think it is from a different company. For the most >part, it is accessible, but I cannot get any of the files that the >instructors upload to the site, such as the course syllabus and >handouts, to work with JAWS, because it seems that it will not let >you download it to your computer and that you have to view it on the >page. The file does not show up on the page even though the page >says it is there. I have tried with both Fire Fox and Internet >Explorer with Jaws 10 in Windows XP. >Have any of you ever used Moodel with your school? All of my classes >are using it, even though they are face-to-face classes. >Thank you, >Misty >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From knownoflove at gmail.com Wed Aug 22 20:30:17 2012 From: knownoflove at gmail.com (Miranda B.) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 16:30:17 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Rosetta Stone accessibility for online Spanish class? In-Reply-To: References: <013801cd809f$ace979b0$06bc6d10$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <001a01cd80a4$f1c47b70$d54d7250$@gmail.com> Hi, How did your friend find this to be accessible, when others I'm seeing posts from in reply to this are saying it uses images to teach? Thanks, and have a great week! In Christ, Miranda -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 4:04 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rosetta Stone accessibility for online Spanish class? Hi, Miranda! It's Joshua Lester, from Music Talk! Welcome to the list! Good to see you posting again! When I was attending the Jumpstart program at the Arkansas School for the Blind, (in 2007,) I had a friend who was using Rosetta Stone, and it was accessible. Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Miranda B. [knownoflove at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 2:52 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Rosetta Stone accessibility for online Spanish class? Hi, I'm considering attending Liberty University online for an Associates of Arts in Interdisciplinary Studies, and I would like to take Spanish classes as 2 of my elective courses. Liberty uses Rosetta Stone, and I'm wondering if this is accessible? Also, if anyone else attends Liberty online and has any tips I'd love to hear them! Thanks in advance for any help, and have a great week! In Christ, Miranda _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.o nmicrosoft.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/knownoflove%40gmail.com From knownoflove at gmail.com Wed Aug 22 20:31:32 2012 From: knownoflove at gmail.com (Miranda B.) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 16:31:32 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Rosetta Stone accessibility for online Spanish class? In-Reply-To: References: <013801cd809f$ace979b0$06bc6d10$@gmail.com> , Message-ID: <001e01cd80a5$1e448aa0$5acd9fe0$@gmail.com> Hi, I'm wondering if they would allow me to use an older version if I explain about the accessibility? Thanks, and have a great week! In Christ, Miranda -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 4:26 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rosetta Stone accessibility for online Spanish class? Aleeha, the version released in 2004, is accessible. I'm afraid that the newer versions aren't accessible, so it's important to find out which version of the program the university uses. Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of aleeha dudley [blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 3:16 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rosetta Stone accessibility for online Spanish class? There is a similar thread going on another list. I have learned that Rosetta stone uses images with no description to teach. Aleeha Dudley President, Ohio Association of Blind Students Changing what it means to be blind On Aug 22, 2012, at 4:04 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > Hi, Miranda! > It's Joshua Lester, from Music Talk! > Welcome to the list! > Good to see you posting again! > When I was attending the Jumpstart program at the Arkansas School for the Blind, (in 2007,) I had a friend who was using Rosetta Stone, and it was accessible. > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf > of Miranda B. [knownoflove at gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 2:52 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Rosetta Stone accessibility for online Spanish class? > > Hi, > > I'm considering attending Liberty University online for an Associates > of Arts in Interdisciplinary Studies, and I would like to take Spanish > classes as 2 of my elective courses. > > Liberty uses Rosetta Stone, and I'm wondering if this is accessible? > > Also, if anyone else attends Liberty online and has any tips I'd love > to hear them! > > Thanks in advance for any help, and have a great week! > > > > In Christ, Miranda > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccu > aedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%4 > 0gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.o nmicrosoft.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/knownoflove%40gmail.com From joshkart12 at gmail.com Wed Aug 22 20:36:18 2012 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (josh gregory) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 16:36:18 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Rosetta Stone accessibility for online Spanish class? In-Reply-To: <001e01cd80a5$1e448aa0$5acd9fe0$@gmail.com> References: <013801cd809f$ace979b0$06bc6d10$@gmail.com> <001e01cd80a5$1e448aa0$5acd9fe0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Possibility, and doesn't hurt to ask, :) On 8/22/12, Miranda B. wrote: > Hi, > I'm wondering if they would allow me to use an older version if I explain > about the accessibility? > Thanks, and have a great week! > > In Christ, Miranda > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 4:26 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rosetta Stone accessibility for online Spanish class? > > Aleeha, the version released in 2004, is accessible. > I'm afraid that the newer versions aren't accessible, so it's important to > find out which version of the program the university uses. > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of > aleeha dudley [blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 3:16 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rosetta Stone accessibility for online Spanish class? > > There is a similar thread going on another list. I have learned that > Rosetta > stone uses images with no description to teach. > > Aleeha Dudley > President, Ohio Association of Blind Students Changing what it means to be > blind > > On Aug 22, 2012, at 4:04 PM, Joshua Lester > wrote: > >> Hi, Miranda! >> It's Joshua Lester, from Music Talk! >> Welcome to the list! >> Good to see you posting again! >> When I was attending the Jumpstart program at the Arkansas School for the > Blind, (in 2007,) I had a friend who was using Rosetta Stone, and it was > accessible. >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf >> of Miranda B. [knownoflove at gmail.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 2:52 PM >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] Rosetta Stone accessibility for online Spanish class? >> >> Hi, >> >> I'm considering attending Liberty University online for an Associates >> of Arts in Interdisciplinary Studies, and I would like to take Spanish >> classes as 2 of my elective courses. >> >> Liberty uses Rosetta Stone, and I'm wondering if this is accessible? >> >> Also, if anyone else attends Liberty online and has any tips I'd love >> to hear them! >> >> Thanks in advance for any help, and have a great week! >> >> >> >> In Christ, Miranda >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccu >> aedu.onmicrosoft.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%4 >> 0gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.o > nmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/knownoflove%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com > -- Ways to Connect with me: facebook.com/evercuriousmasteryodo twitter.com/joshg93 Skype: joshgregory93 FaceTime, iMessage and iChat: joshkart12 at gmail.com From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Wed Aug 22 20:36:35 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 20:36:35 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Rosetta Stone accessibility for online Spanish class? In-Reply-To: <001a01cd80a4$f1c47b70$d54d7250$@gmail.com> References: <013801cd809f$ace979b0$06bc6d10$@gmail.com> , <001a01cd80a4$f1c47b70$d54d7250$@gmail.com> Message-ID: He was using the older version. Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Miranda B. [knownoflove at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 3:30 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rosetta Stone accessibility for online Spanish class? Hi, How did your friend find this to be accessible, when others I'm seeing posts from in reply to this are saying it uses images to teach? Thanks, and have a great week! In Christ, Miranda -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 4:04 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rosetta Stone accessibility for online Spanish class? Hi, Miranda! It's Joshua Lester, from Music Talk! Welcome to the list! Good to see you posting again! When I was attending the Jumpstart program at the Arkansas School for the Blind, (in 2007,) I had a friend who was using Rosetta Stone, and it was accessible. Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Miranda B. [knownoflove at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 2:52 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Rosetta Stone accessibility for online Spanish class? Hi, I'm considering attending Liberty University online for an Associates of Arts in Interdisciplinary Studies, and I would like to take Spanish classes as 2 of my elective courses. Liberty uses Rosetta Stone, and I'm wondering if this is accessible? Also, if anyone else attends Liberty online and has any tips I'd love to hear them! Thanks in advance for any help, and have a great week! In Christ, Miranda _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.o nmicrosoft.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/knownoflove%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Wed Aug 22 20:37:33 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 20:37:33 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Rosetta Stone accessibility for online Spanish class? In-Reply-To: <001e01cd80a5$1e448aa0$5acd9fe0$@gmail.com> References: <013801cd809f$ace979b0$06bc6d10$@gmail.com> , , <001e01cd80a5$1e448aa0$5acd9fe0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: According to the IDEA, they're supposed to let you use accessible alternatives. Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Miranda B. [knownoflove at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 3:31 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rosetta Stone accessibility for online Spanish class? Hi, I'm wondering if they would allow me to use an older version if I explain about the accessibility? Thanks, and have a great week! In Christ, Miranda -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 4:26 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rosetta Stone accessibility for online Spanish class? Aleeha, the version released in 2004, is accessible. I'm afraid that the newer versions aren't accessible, so it's important to find out which version of the program the university uses. Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of aleeha dudley [blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 3:16 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rosetta Stone accessibility for online Spanish class? There is a similar thread going on another list. I have learned that Rosetta stone uses images with no description to teach. Aleeha Dudley President, Ohio Association of Blind Students Changing what it means to be blind On Aug 22, 2012, at 4:04 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > Hi, Miranda! > It's Joshua Lester, from Music Talk! > Welcome to the list! > Good to see you posting again! > When I was attending the Jumpstart program at the Arkansas School for the Blind, (in 2007,) I had a friend who was using Rosetta Stone, and it was accessible. > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf > of Miranda B. [knownoflove at gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 2:52 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Rosetta Stone accessibility for online Spanish class? > > Hi, > > I'm considering attending Liberty University online for an Associates > of Arts in Interdisciplinary Studies, and I would like to take Spanish > classes as 2 of my elective courses. > > Liberty uses Rosetta Stone, and I'm wondering if this is accessible? > > Also, if anyone else attends Liberty online and has any tips I'd love > to hear them! > > Thanks in advance for any help, and have a great week! > > > > In Christ, Miranda > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccu > aedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%4 > 0gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.o nmicrosoft.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/knownoflove%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From hope.paulos at gmail.com Wed Aug 22 21:00:40 2012 From: hope.paulos at gmail.com (Hope Paulos) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 17:00:40 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Has Anyone Ever Used Moodle? In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20120822132702.01bd91f0@comcast.net> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20120822132702.01bd91f0@comcast.net> Message-ID: I have used Moodle as an instructor. It's accessible with Jaws! Sent from my iPhone On Aug 22, 2012, at 4:29 PM, Carly Mihalakis wrote: > Good afternoon, I have found both Turnitin and MOODLE to sights which happen to both be used at my school damned near unaccessable.. So, for this reason, I insist on simply emailing the assignment. Perhaps you wanna try that? Seems, life is way too short trying to make those inaccessable, things work for us.At 12:58 PM 8/22/2012, Misty Dawn Bradley wrote: >> Hi all, >> I just started school this year at my local community college, and they are using an online system called Moodel. Moodel is similar to Blackboard, but I think it is from a different company. For the most part, it is accessible, but I cannot get any of the files that the instructors upload to the site, such as the course syllabus and handouts, to work with JAWS, because it seems that it will not let you download it to your computer and that you have to view it on the page. The file does not show up on the page even though the page says it is there. I have tried with both Fire Fox and Internet Explorer with Jaws 10 in Windows XP. >> Have any of you ever used Moodel with your school? All of my classes are using it, even though they are face-to-face classes. >> Thank you, >> Misty >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com From jty727 at gmail.com Wed Aug 22 21:09:20 2012 From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 17:09:20 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Has Anyone Ever Used Moodle? In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.2.20120822132702.01bd91f0@comcast.net> Message-ID: I have used moodle with my school. It is made by the Google applications system. I'm not sure what you're doing, but I know from my use it was fairly simple to use. Just go to the document's link and open it. Then try and save it to your computer. On 8/22/12, Hope Paulos wrote: > I have used Moodle as an instructor. It's accessible with Jaws! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 22, 2012, at 4:29 PM, Carly Mihalakis wrote: > >> Good afternoon, I have found both Turnitin and MOODLE to sights which >> happen to both be used at my school damned near unaccessable.. So, for >> this reason, I insist on simply emailing the assignment. Perhaps you wanna >> try that? Seems, life is way too short trying to make those inaccessable, >> things work for us.At 12:58 PM 8/22/2012, Misty Dawn Bradley wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> I just started school this year at my local community college, and they >>> are using an online system called Moodel. Moodel is similar to >>> Blackboard, but I think it is from a different company. For the most >>> part, it is accessible, but I cannot get any of the files that the >>> instructors upload to the site, such as the course syllabus and handouts, >>> to work with JAWS, because it seems that it will not let you download it >>> to your computer and that you have to view it on the page. The file does >>> not show up on the page even though the page says it is there. I have >>> tried with both Fire Fox and Internet Explorer with Jaws 10 in Windows >>> XP. >>> Have any of you ever used Moodel with your school? All of my classes are >>> using it, even though they are face-to-face classes. >>> Thank you, >>> Misty >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Wed Aug 22 21:11:53 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 17:11:53 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Rosetta Stone accessibility for online Spanish class? In-Reply-To: <013801cd809f$ace979b0$06bc6d10$@gmail.com> References: <013801cd809f$ace979b0$06bc6d10$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3DDB2ED6F8CF4496A14CAA095346DF39@OwnerPC> Not accessible; might want to try another class that does not use that software -----Original Message----- From: Miranda B. Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 3:52 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Rosetta Stone accessibility for online Spanish class? Hi, I'm considering attending Liberty University online for an Associates of Arts in Interdisciplinary Studies, and I would like to take Spanish classes as 2 of my elective courses. Liberty uses Rosetta Stone, and I'm wondering if this is accessible? Also, if anyone else attends Liberty online and has any tips I'd love to hear them! Thanks in advance for any help, and have a great week! In Christ, Miranda _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From knownoflove at gmail.com Wed Aug 22 21:18:01 2012 From: knownoflove at gmail.com (Miranda B.) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 17:18:01 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Rosetta Stone accessibility for online Spanish class? In-Reply-To: References: <013801cd809f$ace979b0$06bc6d10$@gmail.com> , , <001e01cd80a5$1e448aa0$5acd9fe0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000e01cd80ab$9cb36d60$d61a4820$@gmail.com> Hi, Yes, but the only accessible alternative I can think of is Hadley's Spanish course. When I contacted Hadley's student services, I was told this course is currently under revision, so they couldn't answer my questions about whether or not I could be taught how to write Spanish on a computer until they have a better idea of the new revisions to this class. Furthermore, I do know that you can't get college credit from Hadley courses as they are continuing education credits. Although these Spanish classes aren't required for my degree, I know it is very important to know a foreign language in the workplace today, and Spanish is my foreign language of choice. I took Spanish for a year in high school, and I don't even want to talk about finding out my Braille embosser wasn't equipped to emboss the special symbols and characters and still being required to use Braille for all tests and assignments rather than audio! Needless to say, my school district refused to purchase a better embosser. Therefore, I struggled mightily in this class and missed crucial aspects of learning Spanish! In Christ, Miranda -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 4:38 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rosetta Stone accessibility for online Spanish class? According to the IDEA, they're supposed to let you use accessible alternatives. Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Miranda B. [knownoflove at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 3:31 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rosetta Stone accessibility for online Spanish class? Hi, I'm wondering if they would allow me to use an older version if I explain about the accessibility? Thanks, and have a great week! In Christ, Miranda -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 4:26 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rosetta Stone accessibility for online Spanish class? Aleeha, the version released in 2004, is accessible. I'm afraid that the newer versions aren't accessible, so it's important to find out which version of the program the university uses. Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of aleeha dudley [blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 3:16 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rosetta Stone accessibility for online Spanish class? There is a similar thread going on another list. I have learned that Rosetta stone uses images with no description to teach. Aleeha Dudley President, Ohio Association of Blind Students Changing what it means to be blind On Aug 22, 2012, at 4:04 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > Hi, Miranda! > It's Joshua Lester, from Music Talk! > Welcome to the list! > Good to see you posting again! > When I was attending the Jumpstart program at the Arkansas School for > the Blind, (in 2007,) I had a friend who was using Rosetta Stone, and it was accessible. > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf > of Miranda B. [knownoflove at gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 2:52 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Rosetta Stone accessibility for online Spanish class? > > Hi, > > I'm considering attending Liberty University online for an Associates > of Arts in Interdisciplinary Studies, and I would like to take Spanish > classes as 2 of my elective courses. > > Liberty uses Rosetta Stone, and I'm wondering if this is accessible? > > Also, if anyone else attends Liberty online and has any tips I'd love > to hear them! > > Thanks in advance for any help, and have a great week! > > > > In Christ, Miranda > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccu > aedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%4 > 0gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.o nmicrosoft.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/knownoflove%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.o nmicrosoft.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/knownoflove%40gmail.com From knownoflove at gmail.com Wed Aug 22 21:19:20 2012 From: knownoflove at gmail.com (Miranda B.) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 17:19:20 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Rosetta Stone accessibility for online Spanish class? In-Reply-To: <3DDB2ED6F8CF4496A14CAA095346DF39@OwnerPC> References: <013801cd809f$ace979b0$06bc6d10$@gmail.com> <3DDB2ED6F8CF4496A14CAA095346DF39@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <002301cd80ab$cbcaa230$635fe690$@gmail.com> Hi, This is the only Spanish offering from this school. In Christ, Miranda -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 5:12 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rosetta Stone accessibility for online Spanish class? Not accessible; might want to try another class that does not use that software -----Original Message----- From: Miranda B. Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 3:52 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Rosetta Stone accessibility for online Spanish class? Hi, I'm considering attending Liberty University online for an Associates of Arts in Interdisciplinary Studies, and I would like to take Spanish classes as 2 of my elective courses. Liberty uses Rosetta Stone, and I'm wondering if this is accessible? Also, if anyone else attends Liberty online and has any tips I'd love to hear them! Thanks in advance for any help, and have a great week! In Christ, Miranda _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/knownoflove%40gmail.com From mistydbradley at gmail.com Wed Aug 22 21:44:56 2012 From: mistydbradley at gmail.com (Misty Dawn Bradley) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 17:44:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Has Anyone Ever Used Moodle? References: <7.0.1.0.2.20120822132702.01bd91f0@comcast.net> Message-ID: <0391F7F7599D48BFA37AE2EC296BFF04@acerd37f251f21> Hi all, I just found out that the problem was only with the pdf files. The Microsoft Word and Powerpoint files seem to download just fine, and I am able to submit assignments. I will probably look at my settings to see if I can get the pdf files to just save to my computer rather than just automatically opening in the browser, because I think that may be what is causing the problem. Thanks, Misty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 5:00 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Has Anyone Ever Used Moodle? >I have used Moodle as an instructor. It's accessible with Jaws! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 22, 2012, at 4:29 PM, Carly Mihalakis wrote: > >> Good afternoon, I have found both Turnitin and MOODLE to sights which >> happen to both be used at my school damned near unaccessable.. So, for >> this reason, I insist on simply emailing the assignment. Perhaps you >> wanna try that? Seems, life is way too short trying to make those >> inaccessable, things work for us.At 12:58 PM 8/22/2012, Misty Dawn >> Bradley wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> I just started school this year at my local community college, and they >>> are using an online system called Moodel. Moodel is similar to >>> Blackboard, but I think it is from a different company. For the most >>> part, it is accessible, but I cannot get any of the files that the >>> instructors upload to the site, such as the course syllabus and >>> handouts, to work with JAWS, because it seems that it will not let you >>> download it to your computer and that you have to view it on the page. >>> The file does not show up on the page even though the page says it is >>> there. I have tried with both Fire Fox and Internet Explorer with Jaws >>> 10 in Windows XP. >>> Have any of you ever used Moodel with your school? All of my classes are >>> using it, even though they are face-to-face classes. >>> Thank you, >>> Misty >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Wed Aug 22 22:13:38 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 16:13:38 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Has Anyone Ever Used Moodle? In-Reply-To: <0391F7F7599D48BFA37AE2EC296BFF04@acerd37f251f21> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20120822132702.01bd91f0@comcast.net> <0391F7F7599D48BFA37AE2EC296BFF04@acerd37f251f21> Message-ID: Hi Misty, Try right-clicking on the PDF link instead of clicking it with Enter. This should bring up a context menu, from which you should click "Save target as" (or in Firefox, "Save link as". Then save the file to your computer. HTH, Arielle On 8/22/12, Misty Dawn Bradley wrote: > Hi all, > I just found out that the problem was only with the pdf files. The Microsoft > > Word and Powerpoint files seem to download just fine, and I am able to > submit assignments. I will probably look at my settings to see if I can get > > the pdf files to just save to my computer rather than just automatically > opening in the browser, because I think that may be what is causing the > problem. > Thanks, > Misty > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hope Paulos" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 5:00 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Has Anyone Ever Used Moodle? > > >>I have used Moodle as an instructor. It's accessible with Jaws! >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Aug 22, 2012, at 4:29 PM, Carly Mihalakis >> wrote: >> >>> Good afternoon, I have found both Turnitin and MOODLE to sights which >>> happen to both be used at my school damned near unaccessable.. So, for >>> this reason, I insist on simply emailing the assignment. Perhaps you >>> wanna try that? Seems, life is way too short trying to make those >>> inaccessable, things work for us.At 12:58 PM 8/22/2012, Misty Dawn >>> Bradley wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> I just started school this year at my local community college, and they >>>> >>>> are using an online system called Moodel. Moodel is similar to >>>> Blackboard, but I think it is from a different company. For the most >>>> part, it is accessible, but I cannot get any of the files that the >>>> instructors upload to the site, such as the course syllabus and >>>> handouts, to work with JAWS, because it seems that it will not let you >>>> download it to your computer and that you have to view it on the page. >>>> The file does not show up on the page even though the page says it is >>>> there. I have tried with both Fire Fox and Internet Explorer with Jaws >>>> 10 in Windows XP. >>>> Have any of you ever used Moodel with your school? All of my classes are >>>> >>>> using it, even though they are face-to-face classes. >>>> Thank you, >>>> Misty >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From arielle71 at gmail.com Wed Aug 22 22:19:07 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 16:19:07 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Reading PDF's in Firefox Message-ID: Hi all, Speaking of PDF documents, I am having a problem reading PDF's with the Firefox browser and am wondering if any of you have found any solutions. When I go to a website that has a link to a PDF document, like a course website or a restaurant website with PDF menus, and I press enter to open the link to the PDF, after Adobe loads the file, JAWS says "Open embedded object button graphic" but pressing enter on this button, or left-clicking it, does absolutely nothing. Occasionally I have gotten the PDF to open after entering a bunch of random commands in frustration, but I haven't figured out how to reliably get JAWS to read the PDF embedded in a Firefox webpage. Any suggestions? I am using the latest version of Firefox but because I am cheap, JAWS 11. Do I need to upgrade JAWS in order to do this? Arielle From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Wed Aug 22 23:51:25 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:51:25 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Way cool. Message-ID: <57A48329-6857-48DD-B878-7DC38950EAF9@gmail.com> U r all teaching me a lot. I am learning about software. My dance teacher texts and chats with me on face book. I want to tell her about black board and noodle because she always finds ways to make things accessible to all of us we have deaf dancers, blind dancers, and weelchair dancers. So I will ask her about all of this. From amieelsabo at gmail.com Thu Aug 23 00:09:34 2012 From: amieelsabo at gmail.com (Amy Sabo) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 18:09:34 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Black board question In-Reply-To: <5033ad81.ea0a3c0a.2d8a.2c4a@mx.google.com> References: <5033ad81.ea0a3c0a.2d8a.2c4a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <001201cd80c3$944ffae0$bceff0a0$@gmail.com> Hello koby and all, Yes, blackboard is somewhat accessible with jaws. When I attended college at my university some of my classes used blackboard and for the most part it was accessible with jaws. I hope this information was helpful to you all. Take care and good luck! Hugs, amy -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Koby Cox Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 9:47 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Black board question Hello all, Is blackboard accessible with JAWS? Is there a way to make it accessible with JAWS? Right back soon, Koby. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amieelsabo%40gmail.com From knownoflove at gmail.com Thu Aug 23 00:22:33 2012 From: knownoflove at gmail.com (Miranda B.) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 20:22:33 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Black board question In-Reply-To: <001201cd80c3$944ffae0$bceff0a0$@gmail.com> References: <5033ad81.ea0a3c0a.2d8a.2c4a@mx.google.com> <001201cd80c3$944ffae0$bceff0a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000901cd80c5$64fedf70$2efc9e50$@gmail.com> Hi Amy, As you say Blackboard was somewhat accessible, could you explain what parts you found to not be accessible? My husband and I will be using Blackboard in our classes, and this would be good information to know ahead of time. Thanks, and have a great week! In Christ, Miranda -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Amy Sabo Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 8:10 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Black board question Hello koby and all, Yes, blackboard is somewhat accessible with jaws. When I attended college at my university some of my classes used blackboard and for the most part it was accessible with jaws. I hope this information was helpful to you all. Take care and good luck! Hugs, amy -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Koby Cox Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 9:47 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Black board question Hello all, Is blackboard accessible with JAWS? Is there a way to make it accessible with JAWS? Right back soon, Koby. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amieelsabo%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/knownoflove%40gmail.com From kobycox at gmail.com Thu Aug 23 00:23:38 2012 From: kobycox at gmail.com (Koby Cox) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:23:38 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Black board question Message-ID: <5035780f.e348ec0a.5ab4.fffff523@mx.google.com> Amy, That does assist me some what. Thanks, Koby. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Sabo" References: Message-ID: Hi Danielle, How do you make sure that your columns are set up correctly, and how do you insert text into spacific places? On 8/22/12, Danielle Sykora wrote: > Hi everyone, > These are all good suggestions. I often have to make brochures for my > classes and I usually ask my teachers for suggestions about font size, > type, and color. A bulleted list is very useful for displaying > important information. > Danielle > > On 8/22/12, Ashley Coleman wrote: >> Good Idea,! >> Ashley CJoshua >> >> On 8/21/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> Wow! >>> I was just thinking about this! >>> I hate to highjack this thread, but I've noticed a trend! >>> We have so many students on here, with the same first name! >>> We have two Joshes, 3 Ashleys, etc. >>> We need to come up with a way to make it known, which person with a >>> similar >>> name, we're talking to on this list! >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >>> Ashley Bramlett [bookwormahb at earthlink.net] >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 9:59 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Brochure help, >>> >>> Ashley, >>> I'm Ashley too and I attend a community college part time getting a >>> certificate while looking for work; I have a BA in liberal studies; I'll >>> get >>> a certificate and extra relevant classes for my resume here at nova. >>> >>> About the brochure, jaws doesn't always describe colors and layout well. >>> However, if you just need a simple brochure, creating one will not >>> require >>> much extra eyes. What is its purpose? >>> >>> Do you have any vision? If so this will aid you in creating it. If not, >>> do >>> the best with jaws and have a sighted person assist you in the layout. >>> Also, your professor should give you tips on things like font type and >>> size. >>> >>> I've not created a brochure, but have created flyers for a club and >>> readers. >>> So, that said, here is what I might do for a brochure. >>> >>> I have a little central vision so this may help me pick a font. I'd >>> select >>> a >>> font with curly edges of letters. >>> such as Georgia. Another idea would be pick one with dark block letter >>> lines >>> such as Impact or >>> Showcard gothic. >>> You should type your information in smaller font, maybe size 12 or 14. >>> If >>> its a list of important things like dates, you might want to make a >>> bulleted list. >>> Note that Word had several types of bullets, but I think the more common >>> ones are a square bullet or the circle filled bullet; that is what I've >>> seen >>> often. But you can always check with someone sighted to find out. >>> >>> Then you might want to add some pictures by either using clip art or >>> cutting >>> and pasting in existing pictures from other sources. >>> Clip art is in the insert tab. >>> >>> Finally, Microsoft word lets you add page borders and a background >>> color, >>> but I suggest printing on colored paper, its easier. >>> To do either one, go to the page layout tab. If you wish to add a >>> border, >>> go >>> to page borders in that tab. If you tab to the combo box that says >>> art, you can pick any number of picture borders that will be displayed >>> around the page; quite pretty but not sure it would help for this type >>> of >>> brochure. All pictures are spoken so you know what you're choosing; pick >>> one >>> and press enter, otherwise its not selected. >>> Art graphics include apples, cookies, cake, hearts, and even Christmas >>> trees. >>> >>> You can also write text into a box; I suggest picking the first box so >>> it >>> does not look like a template then. To do this go to the insert tab and >>> tab >>> to text box; open that display of choices and press enter on the first >>> choice wich is the simple text box with no additional formatting. >>> It is in the center of your page, but to move it, press the standard >>> commands of control L for left or control R for right. >>> You can also create tables in word; that is accessible too. That might >>> be >>> good for some brochures. >>> >>> If we have more info on the expectations for it and who the audience is, >>> we >>> might have more ideas. You can make it look funny or serious, depending >>> on >>> the audience. >>> hth, >>> Ashley >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Ashley Coleman >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 10:19 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Brochure help, >>> >>> Hi all, >>> My name is Ashley and I am attending UNCP for a degree in Special >>> Education Teaching. >>> >>> I am wondering if any of you have had to create a tri-fold brochure for >>> a >>> class, if you did how did you accomplish it. I am using Microsoft Word >>> 2010 and Jaws 12. >>> >>> Thanks, Ashley, >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Aug 23 04:08:39 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 00:08:39 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] graphing and graphing calculators Message-ID: <603FCBEE13D24A80B92FF6FE0A3CD973@OwnerPC> Hi all, It recently came to my attention that my friend’s vision teacher discouraged algebra 2 honors based on its pace and visual emphasis; more graphs are involved. She told me she took algebra 1 honors and did fine and felt the next part would be okay but wasn’t sure how to do the graphing part other than by hand. She said there is no accessible graphing calculator. I only know of the computer audible graphing calculator for blind students which obviously displays the graph in an audible sound. I did not have to use these fancy graphing calculators in algebra 2 much but apparently the curriculum changed to involve more graphic equations since I took it in this same county. When I needed to use it, I had a reader who was my vision teacher type in the info in the calculator and then draw the graph once it came up. I have some vision so could see it on large graphing paper with a bold pen. Most equations I just solved algebraically, as opposed to graphing them. So, what have you done? What do you do when other students use scientific graphing calculators? How do you access the same info? What options are out there for scientific talking calculators? This student has no vision. I thought she could just use a reader and they could show her the graph but they do not think it’s a good idea. Also, she was told she could not use a reader on the state standardized test. I was shocked as this seems like a reasonable accomodation, if she cannot operate the calculator herself. She is in public school as well, and its sad that the teacher of the vision impaired isn’t coming up with a solution. So curious to know how you handle it. One idea I had was to use the computer such as excel to draw some of the graphs, but this couldn’t be used on state tests, as its my understanding no technology can be used there. Thanks. Ashley From arielle71 at gmail.com Thu Aug 23 04:26:05 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 22:26:05 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] graphing and graphing calculators In-Reply-To: <603FCBEE13D24A80B92FF6FE0A3CD973@OwnerPC> References: <603FCBEE13D24A80B92FF6FE0A3CD973@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hi Ashley, If she did fine in honors Algebra I then she should have the chance to at least try Honors Algebra II. I would need to know more about the curriculum to offer specific solutions, but I personally believe that graphs are overrated. Like you, I always solved equations algebraically and wrote down text descriptions of the graphical solutions instead of actually graphing them. I had tactile graphs in my Braille math books and worksheets, which helped me to visualize the basic kinds of equations. But once I had seen the Braille versions I could visualize graphs in my head when I was solving equations. Keep in mind, I took honors Algebra I and II, advanced precalculus and advanced-placement calculus without a graphing calculator. Every once in a while I skipped an equation that could not be solved by hand but that was rare. I have also taken four statistics courses in college without ever using a graphing calculator or drawing graphs So I think this student should at least be able to discuss the option of solving problems mathematically rather than graphically, because after all, the skill that needs to be learned in Algebra II is how to solve equations, not how to draw lines. I also have a hard time believing that a reader wouldn't be an acceptable accommodation for state tests. What accommodations are acceptable, then, if a reader is not? If technology is not allowed, do sighted students still get to use graphing calculators on these tests? What is the blind student expected to do, just skip those sections of the state test? That said, though I personally think graphs are overrated, some blind mathematicians do find them useful. There is an audible graphing calculator and there are a number of tactile drawing kits. I'll post your question to the BlindMath list and forward any responses I get to this list (as other high school students here might have similar questions). As for an accessible scientific calculator, can this student use Excel on the computer, or do they have a Braille notetaker? Either option should be sufficient. Arielle On 8/22/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi all, > > It recently came to my attention that my friend’s vision teacher discouraged > algebra 2 honors based on its pace and visual emphasis; more graphs are > involved. She told me she took algebra 1 honors and did fine and felt the > next part would be okay but wasn’t sure how to do the graphing part other > than by hand. She said there is no accessible graphing calculator. I only > know of the computer audible graphing calculator for blind students which > obviously displays the graph in an audible sound. > > I did not have to use these fancy graphing calculators in algebra 2 much but > apparently the curriculum changed to involve more graphic equations since I > took it in this same county. When I needed to use it, I had a reader who was > my vision teacher type in the info in the calculator and then draw the graph > once it came up. I have some vision so could see it on large graphing paper > with a bold pen. > Most equations I just solved algebraically, as opposed to graphing them. > > > So, what have you done? What do you do when other students use scientific > graphing calculators? How do you access the same info? What options are out > there for scientific talking calculators? This student has no vision. I > thought she could just use a reader and they could show her the graph but > they do not think it’s a good idea. Also, she was told she could not use a > reader on the state standardized test. I was shocked as this seems like a > reasonable accomodation, if she cannot operate the calculator herself. > She is in public school as well, and its sad that the teacher of the vision > impaired isn’t coming up with a solution. > > So curious to know how you handle it. One idea I had was to use the computer > such as excel to draw some of the graphs, but this couldn’t be used on state > tests, as its my understanding no technology can be used there. > > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Aug 23 04:56:31 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 00:56:31 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] graphing and graphing calculators In-Reply-To: References: <603FCBEE13D24A80B92FF6FE0A3CD973@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <17F7CC078BC34D2FA7EC2DAB9B87883F@OwnerPC> Arielle, Thanks. I told her to try it too. She can always switch to regular algebra if things become difficult. I might get more details as to what is required of students in algebra 2. She will have braille math books so I assume this will aid her in understanding the graphs and what they look like. I'm sure she uses a braille notetaker but I'll ask. I think excel and the scientific calculator on the notetaker would provide access to many of the functions she needs. She could do the problems by hand, but it seems to me it would be more efficient to use a calculator like everyone else. I wonder if she would be behind as well when they have calculators and she's doing it by hand. What does excel help you do? Does it graph parabolas or matrices problems? I'm not sure how blind students would graph usually; I used vision for that part. I know APH has the tactile graph paper, but it does not have many squares and does not seem big enough to put multiple lines on it; you know sometimes you have to graph two or three lines to see where they intersect. So how would you represent a dotted line for unequal to? Sighted people shade in parts of a graph to represent something. We also had to graph inequalities on number lines. The visual way is to darken part of the number line and draw an arrow to the side you need. Like an arrow to the right of 1. Also how could you graph a line graph that curves? I thought of wiki sticks, but those probably wouldn't be long enough. I remember graphing some, but as I said, I solved a problem algebraically if that was an option. Thanks. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Arielle Silverman Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 12:26 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] graphing and graphing calculators Hi Ashley, If she did fine in honors Algebra I then she should have the chance to at least try Honors Algebra II. I would need to know more about the curriculum to offer specific solutions, but I personally believe that graphs are overrated. Like you, I always solved equations algebraically and wrote down text descriptions of the graphical solutions instead of actually graphing them. I had tactile graphs in my Braille math books and worksheets, which helped me to visualize the basic kinds of equations. But once I had seen the Braille versions I could visualize graphs in my head when I was solving equations. Keep in mind, I took honors Algebra I and II, advanced precalculus and advanced-placement calculus without a graphing calculator. Every once in a while I skipped an equation that could not be solved by hand but that was rare. I have also taken four statistics courses in college without ever using a graphing calculator or drawing graphs So I think this student should at least be able to discuss the option of solving problems mathematically rather than graphically, because after all, the skill that needs to be learned in Algebra II is how to solve equations, not how to draw lines. I also have a hard time believing that a reader wouldn't be an acceptable accommodation for state tests. What accommodations are acceptable, then, if a reader is not? If technology is not allowed, do sighted students still get to use graphing calculators on these tests? What is the blind student expected to do, just skip those sections of the state test? That said, though I personally think graphs are overrated, some blind mathematicians do find them useful. There is an audible graphing calculator and there are a number of tactile drawing kits. I'll post your question to the BlindMath list and forward any responses I get to this list (as other high school students here might have similar questions). As for an accessible scientific calculator, can this student use Excel on the computer, or do they have a Braille notetaker? Either option should be sufficient. Arielle On 8/22/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi all, > > It recently came to my attention that my friend’s vision teacher > discouraged > algebra 2 honors based on its pace and visual emphasis; more graphs are > involved. She told me she took algebra 1 honors and did fine and felt the > next part would be okay but wasn’t sure how to do the graphing part other > than by hand. She said there is no accessible graphing calculator. I only > know of the computer audible graphing calculator for blind students which > obviously displays the graph in an audible sound. > > I did not have to use these fancy graphing calculators in algebra 2 much > but > apparently the curriculum changed to involve more graphic equations since > I > took it in this same county. When I needed to use it, I had a reader who > was > my vision teacher type in the info in the calculator and then draw the > graph > once it came up. I have some vision so could see it on large graphing > paper > with a bold pen. > Most equations I just solved algebraically, as opposed to graphing them. > > > So, what have you done? What do you do when other students use scientific > graphing calculators? How do you access the same info? What options are > out > there for scientific talking calculators? This student has no vision. I > thought she could just use a reader and they could show her the graph but > they do not think it’s a good idea. Also, she was told she could not use a > reader on the state standardized test. I was shocked as this seems like a > reasonable accomodation, if she cannot operate the calculator herself. > She is in public school as well, and its sad that the teacher of the > vision > impaired isn’t coming up with a solution. > > So curious to know how you handle it. One idea I had was to use the > computer > such as excel to draw some of the graphs, but this couldn’t be used on > state > tests, as its my understanding no technology can be used there. > > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com Thu Aug 23 04:59:48 2012 From: brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com (Brandon Keith Biggs) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 21:59:48 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] graphing and graphing calculators In-Reply-To: <603FCBEE13D24A80B92FF6FE0A3CD973@OwnerPC> References: <603FCBEE13D24A80B92FF6FE0A3CD973@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <34596C21F020457992F6E40052C03EFC@BrandonsLaptop2> Hello To my knowledge the graphing calculator we are all talking of is the only one of its kind. I did not use a graphing calculator for Algebra 2. I did all the super long equations on my scientific calculator and if something totally couldn't get done with the longhand form, I asked my aid to use their calculator to cheat and tell me the answer (even though that is what the other students were doing). It is just because students get scared of really long formulae they stopped doing long hand. It can be done, it just takes a lot of space! That is ridiculous about not having an aid on the state test. Both my sighted brother and I got 100% on the state test here in CA and I used an aid and he didn't. Then he did super well on the SAT where I got pretty low on the SAT. Again, I had an aid he didn't, so it really doesn't change your grade any way... An aid/reader is totally within an IEP plan and I'm pretty sure the 504 law also deals with high school students and an aid/reader is totally a reasonable accommodation. Just tell them that they need to remove all print from the campus and put it on the computer or place braille on every letter and have little vibrating things where ever there is text so you can hear it as you walk by. That way there will be nothing that isn't accessible except for maybe the computer, but that is another request. That is an unreasonable request in the country's eyes. A reader is nothing. Thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs -----Original Message----- From: Ashley Bramlett Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 9:08 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] graphing and graphing calculators Hi all, It recently came to my attention that my friend’s vision teacher discouraged algebra 2 honors based on its pace and visual emphasis; more graphs are involved. She told me she took algebra 1 honors and did fine and felt the next part would be okay but wasn’t sure how to do the graphing part other than by hand. She said there is no accessible graphing calculator. I only know of the computer audible graphing calculator for blind students which obviously displays the graph in an audible sound. I did not have to use these fancy graphing calculators in algebra 2 much but apparently the curriculum changed to involve more graphic equations since I took it in this same county. When I needed to use it, I had a reader who was my vision teacher type in the info in the calculator and then draw the graph once it came up. I have some vision so could see it on large graphing paper with a bold pen. Most equations I just solved algebraically, as opposed to graphing them. So, what have you done? What do you do when other students use scientific graphing calculators? How do you access the same info? What options are out there for scientific talking calculators? This student has no vision. I thought she could just use a reader and they could show her the graph but they do not think it’s a good idea. Also, she was told she could not use a reader on the state standardized test. I was shocked as this seems like a reasonable accomodation, if she cannot operate the calculator herself. She is in public school as well, and its sad that the teacher of the vision impaired isn’t coming up with a solution. So curious to know how you handle it. One idea I had was to use the computer such as excel to draw some of the graphs, but this couldn’t be used on state tests, as its my understanding no technology can be used there. Thanks. Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com From brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com Thu Aug 23 05:01:30 2012 From: brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com (Brandon Keith Biggs) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 22:01:30 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] graphing and graphing calculators In-Reply-To: <17F7CC078BC34D2FA7EC2DAB9B87883F@OwnerPC> References: <603FCBEE13D24A80B92FF6FE0A3CD973@OwnerPC> <17F7CC078BC34D2FA7EC2DAB9B87883F@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <3FE1155CE76642E5A44A8E28DC43C396@BrandonsLaptop2> Hello, If she didn't take Algebra 1, she is going to die in Algebra 2. You need 1 before you go onto 2, I thought I'd just through that out there. Thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs -----Original Message----- From: Ashley Bramlett Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 9:56 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] graphing and graphing calculators Arielle, Thanks. I told her to try it too. She can always switch to regular algebra if things become difficult. I might get more details as to what is required of students in algebra 2. She will have braille math books so I assume this will aid her in understanding the graphs and what they look like. I'm sure she uses a braille notetaker but I'll ask. I think excel and the scientific calculator on the notetaker would provide access to many of the functions she needs. She could do the problems by hand, but it seems to me it would be more efficient to use a calculator like everyone else. I wonder if she would be behind as well when they have calculators and she's doing it by hand. What does excel help you do? Does it graph parabolas or matrices problems? I'm not sure how blind students would graph usually; I used vision for that part. I know APH has the tactile graph paper, but it does not have many squares and does not seem big enough to put multiple lines on it; you know sometimes you have to graph two or three lines to see where they intersect. So how would you represent a dotted line for unequal to? Sighted people shade in parts of a graph to represent something. We also had to graph inequalities on number lines. The visual way is to darken part of the number line and draw an arrow to the side you need. Like an arrow to the right of 1. Also how could you graph a line graph that curves? I thought of wiki sticks, but those probably wouldn't be long enough. I remember graphing some, but as I said, I solved a problem algebraically if that was an option. Thanks. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Arielle Silverman Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 12:26 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] graphing and graphing calculators Hi Ashley, If she did fine in honors Algebra I then she should have the chance to at least try Honors Algebra II. I would need to know more about the curriculum to offer specific solutions, but I personally believe that graphs are overrated. Like you, I always solved equations algebraically and wrote down text descriptions of the graphical solutions instead of actually graphing them. I had tactile graphs in my Braille math books and worksheets, which helped me to visualize the basic kinds of equations. But once I had seen the Braille versions I could visualize graphs in my head when I was solving equations. Keep in mind, I took honors Algebra I and II, advanced precalculus and advanced-placement calculus without a graphing calculator. Every once in a while I skipped an equation that could not be solved by hand but that was rare. I have also taken four statistics courses in college without ever using a graphing calculator or drawing graphs So I think this student should at least be able to discuss the option of solving problems mathematically rather than graphically, because after all, the skill that needs to be learned in Algebra II is how to solve equations, not how to draw lines. I also have a hard time believing that a reader wouldn't be an acceptable accommodation for state tests. What accommodations are acceptable, then, if a reader is not? If technology is not allowed, do sighted students still get to use graphing calculators on these tests? What is the blind student expected to do, just skip those sections of the state test? That said, though I personally think graphs are overrated, some blind mathematicians do find them useful. There is an audible graphing calculator and there are a number of tactile drawing kits. I'll post your question to the BlindMath list and forward any responses I get to this list (as other high school students here might have similar questions). As for an accessible scientific calculator, can this student use Excel on the computer, or do they have a Braille notetaker? Either option should be sufficient. Arielle On 8/22/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi all, > > It recently came to my attention that my friend’s vision teacher > discouraged > algebra 2 honors based on its pace and visual emphasis; more graphs are > involved. She told me she took algebra 1 honors and did fine and felt the > next part would be okay but wasn’t sure how to do the graphing part other > than by hand. She said there is no accessible graphing calculator. I only > know of the computer audible graphing calculator for blind students which > obviously displays the graph in an audible sound. > > I did not have to use these fancy graphing calculators in algebra 2 much > but > apparently the curriculum changed to involve more graphic equations since > I > took it in this same county. When I needed to use it, I had a reader who > was > my vision teacher type in the info in the calculator and then draw the > graph > once it came up. I have some vision so could see it on large graphing > paper > with a bold pen. > Most equations I just solved algebraically, as opposed to graphing them. > > > So, what have you done? What do you do when other students use scientific > graphing calculators? How do you access the same info? What options are > out > there for scientific talking calculators? This student has no vision. I > thought she could just use a reader and they could show her the graph but > they do not think it’s a good idea. Also, she was told she could not use a > reader on the state standardized test. I was shocked as this seems like a > reasonable accomodation, if she cannot operate the calculator herself. > She is in public school as well, and its sad that the teacher of the > vision > impaired isn’t coming up with a solution. > > So curious to know how you handle it. One idea I had was to use the > computer > such as excel to draw some of the graphs, but this couldn’t be used on > state > tests, as its my understanding no technology can be used there. > > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Aug 23 05:06:16 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 01:06:16 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] graphing and graphing calculators In-Reply-To: References: <603FCBEE13D24A80B92FF6FE0A3CD973@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <8B7DE1BAA5D54CA0A76E94F57BAC1EB2@OwnerPC> Arielle, I'm also curious to know what tactile drawing kits other students taking this type of class used. I know there are several out there, but what would be good for math? Here's the thing. You know graphs are not just lines; they curve and some are at odd angles. In my experience, tactile kits such as the draftsman kit are best for representing raised lines not circles or half circles. I mainly see this friend at beep ball which will end soon. But I'm hopeful to stay in touch to see how her class ends up going. Look forward to hearing some ideas and knowing what excel can do, if I need it for a class or personal use. Thanks. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Arielle Silverman Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 12:26 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] graphing and graphing calculators Hi Ashley, If she did fine in honors Algebra I then she should have the chance to at least try Honors Algebra II. I would need to know more about the curriculum to offer specific solutions, but I personally believe that graphs are overrated. Like you, I always solved equations algebraically and wrote down text descriptions of the graphical solutions instead of actually graphing them. I had tactile graphs in my Braille math books and worksheets, which helped me to visualize the basic kinds of equations. But once I had seen the Braille versions I could visualize graphs in my head when I was solving equations. Keep in mind, I took honors Algebra I and II, advanced precalculus and advanced-placement calculus without a graphing calculator. Every once in a while I skipped an equation that could not be solved by hand but that was rare. I have also taken four statistics courses in college without ever using a graphing calculator or drawing graphs So I think this student should at least be able to discuss the option of solving problems mathematically rather than graphically, because after all, the skill that needs to be learned in Algebra II is how to solve equations, not how to draw lines. I also have a hard time believing that a reader wouldn't be an acceptable accommodation for state tests. What accommodations are acceptable, then, if a reader is not? If technology is not allowed, do sighted students still get to use graphing calculators on these tests? What is the blind student expected to do, just skip those sections of the state test? That said, though I personally think graphs are overrated, some blind mathematicians do find them useful. There is an audible graphing calculator and there are a number of tactile drawing kits. I'll post your question to the BlindMath list and forward any responses I get to this list (as other high school students here might have similar questions). As for an accessible scientific calculator, can this student use Excel on the computer, or do they have a Braille notetaker? Either option should be sufficient. Arielle On 8/22/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi all, > > It recently came to my attention that my friend’s vision teacher > discouraged > algebra 2 honors based on its pace and visual emphasis; more graphs are > involved. She told me she took algebra 1 honors and did fine and felt the > next part would be okay but wasn’t sure how to do the graphing part other > than by hand. She said there is no accessible graphing calculator. I only > know of the computer audible graphing calculator for blind students which > obviously displays the graph in an audible sound. > > I did not have to use these fancy graphing calculators in algebra 2 much > but > apparently the curriculum changed to involve more graphic equations since > I > took it in this same county. When I needed to use it, I had a reader who > was > my vision teacher type in the info in the calculator and then draw the > graph > once it came up. I have some vision so could see it on large graphing > paper > with a bold pen. > Most equations I just solved algebraically, as opposed to graphing them. > > > So, what have you done? What do you do when other students use scientific > graphing calculators? How do you access the same info? What options are > out > there for scientific talking calculators? This student has no vision. I > thought she could just use a reader and they could show her the graph but > they do not think it’s a good idea. Also, she was told she could not use a > reader on the state standardized test. I was shocked as this seems like a > reasonable accomodation, if she cannot operate the calculator herself. > She is in public school as well, and its sad that the teacher of the > vision > impaired isn’t coming up with a solution. > > So curious to know how you handle it. One idea I had was to use the > computer > such as excel to draw some of the graphs, but this couldn’t be used on > state > tests, as its my understanding no technology can be used there. > > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Aug 23 05:29:00 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 01:29:00 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] graphing and graphing calculators In-Reply-To: <34596C21F020457992F6E40052C03EFC@BrandonsLaptop2> References: <603FCBEE13D24A80B92FF6FE0A3CD973@OwnerPC> <34596C21F020457992F6E40052C03EFC@BrandonsLaptop2> Message-ID: Brandon, I think the audio graphing calculator which is pc software is the only one that does graphs. But aren't there other talking scientific calculators? They would not cover the graphs, but seems to me you could at least do many of the same calculations mathematically with these saving you from doing them by hand. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Brandon Keith Biggs Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 12:59 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] graphing and graphing calculators Hello To my knowledge the graphing calculator we are all talking of is the only one of its kind. I did not use a graphing calculator for Algebra 2. I did all the super long equations on my scientific calculator and if something totally couldn't get done with the longhand form, I asked my aid to use their calculator to cheat and tell me the answer (even though that is what the other students were doing). It is just because students get scared of really long formulae they stopped doing long hand. It can be done, it just takes a lot of space! That is ridiculous about not having an aid on the state test. Both my sighted brother and I got 100% on the state test here in CA and I used an aid and he didn't. Then he did super well on the SAT where I got pretty low on the SAT. Again, I had an aid he didn't, so it really doesn't change your grade any way... An aid/reader is totally within an IEP plan and I'm pretty sure the 504 law also deals with high school students and an aid/reader is totally a reasonable accommodation. Just tell them that they need to remove all print from the campus and put it on the computer or place braille on every letter and have little vibrating things where ever there is text so you can hear it as you walk by. That way there will be nothing that isn't accessible except for maybe the computer, but that is another request. That is an unreasonable request in the country's eyes. A reader is nothing. Thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs -----Original Message----- From: Ashley Bramlett Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 9:08 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] graphing and graphing calculators Hi all, It recently came to my attention that my friend’s vision teacher discouraged algebra 2 honors based on its pace and visual emphasis; more graphs are involved. She told me she took algebra 1 honors and did fine and felt the next part would be okay but wasn’t sure how to do the graphing part other than by hand. She said there is no accessible graphing calculator. I only know of the computer audible graphing calculator for blind students which obviously displays the graph in an audible sound. I did not have to use these fancy graphing calculators in algebra 2 much but apparently the curriculum changed to involve more graphic equations since I took it in this same county. When I needed to use it, I had a reader who was my vision teacher type in the info in the calculator and then draw the graph once it came up. I have some vision so could see it on large graphing paper with a bold pen. Most equations I just solved algebraically, as opposed to graphing them. So, what have you done? What do you do when other students use scientific graphing calculators? How do you access the same info? What options are out there for scientific talking calculators? This student has no vision. I thought she could just use a reader and they could show her the graph but they do not think it’s a good idea. Also, she was told she could not use a reader on the state standardized test. I was shocked as this seems like a reasonable accomodation, if she cannot operate the calculator herself. She is in public school as well, and its sad that the teacher of the vision impaired isn’t coming up with a solution. So curious to know how you handle it. One idea I had was to use the computer such as excel to draw some of the graphs, but this couldn’t be used on state tests, as its my understanding no technology can be used there. Thanks. Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com Thu Aug 23 05:54:32 2012 From: brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com (Brandon Keith Biggs) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 22:54:32 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] graphing and graphing calculators In-Reply-To: References: <603FCBEE13D24A80B92FF6FE0A3CD973@OwnerPC><34596C21F020457992F6E40052C03EFC@BrandonsLaptop2> Message-ID: <4AA259F45C204FD18F6C73B8F4557BE4@BrandonsLaptop2> Hello, Yes, that is what I meant, by hand and by a scientific calculator. I only used the graphing calculator for the really sticky graphs. Thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs -----Original Message----- From: Ashley Bramlett Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 10:29 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] graphing and graphing calculators Brandon, I think the audio graphing calculator which is pc software is the only one that does graphs. But aren't there other talking scientific calculators? They would not cover the graphs, but seems to me you could at least do many of the same calculations mathematically with these saving you from doing them by hand. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Brandon Keith Biggs Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 12:59 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] graphing and graphing calculators Hello To my knowledge the graphing calculator we are all talking of is the only one of its kind. I did not use a graphing calculator for Algebra 2. I did all the super long equations on my scientific calculator and if something totally couldn't get done with the longhand form, I asked my aid to use their calculator to cheat and tell me the answer (even though that is what the other students were doing). It is just because students get scared of really long formulae they stopped doing long hand. It can be done, it just takes a lot of space! That is ridiculous about not having an aid on the state test. Both my sighted brother and I got 100% on the state test here in CA and I used an aid and he didn't. Then he did super well on the SAT where I got pretty low on the SAT. Again, I had an aid he didn't, so it really doesn't change your grade any way... An aid/reader is totally within an IEP plan and I'm pretty sure the 504 law also deals with high school students and an aid/reader is totally a reasonable accommodation. Just tell them that they need to remove all print from the campus and put it on the computer or place braille on every letter and have little vibrating things where ever there is text so you can hear it as you walk by. That way there will be nothing that isn't accessible except for maybe the computer, but that is another request. That is an unreasonable request in the country's eyes. A reader is nothing. Thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs -----Original Message----- From: Ashley Bramlett Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 9:08 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] graphing and graphing calculators Hi all, It recently came to my attention that my friend’s vision teacher discouraged algebra 2 honors based on its pace and visual emphasis; more graphs are involved. She told me she took algebra 1 honors and did fine and felt the next part would be okay but wasn’t sure how to do the graphing part other than by hand. She said there is no accessible graphing calculator. I only know of the computer audible graphing calculator for blind students which obviously displays the graph in an audible sound. I did not have to use these fancy graphing calculators in algebra 2 much but apparently the curriculum changed to involve more graphic equations since I took it in this same county. When I needed to use it, I had a reader who was my vision teacher type in the info in the calculator and then draw the graph once it came up. I have some vision so could see it on large graphing paper with a bold pen. Most equations I just solved algebraically, as opposed to graphing them. So, what have you done? What do you do when other students use scientific graphing calculators? How do you access the same info? What options are out there for scientific talking calculators? This student has no vision. I thought she could just use a reader and they could show her the graph but they do not think it’s a good idea. Also, she was told she could not use a reader on the state standardized test. I was shocked as this seems like a reasonable accomodation, if she cannot operate the calculator herself. She is in public school as well, and its sad that the teacher of the vision impaired isn’t coming up with a solution. So curious to know how you handle it. One idea I had was to use the computer such as excel to draw some of the graphs, but this couldn’t be used on state tests, as its my understanding no technology can be used there. Thanks. Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com From gloria.graves at gmail.com Thu Aug 23 13:09:55 2012 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 08:09:55 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Black board question References: <5033c166.2610b60a.348e.3388@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4D44B8FD729C4F95A1E1E3EE0628F22D@Gloria> Hi, How would I get the latest version of powerpoint? Is it just a matter of downloading it when I go to the page? Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jewel" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Black board question > Dear list, > I would like to back up what was said about Blackboard being > accessible. I have used it for over a year now (this is my third > semester using it for all my classes), and the only problems I have > had were not because of inaccessibility of Blackboard (such as .PDF > files or inaccessible powerpoints). I also just posted on the > discussion forum for my literature class and using Insert + F7 to find > the links to create a new thread and submit, I had no problem! B The > latest version of Blackboard, which my college has, is as close to > accessible as you can get, and is even friendly with headings and > links. If Blackboard is not working for someone, it may be that the > school has a previous version of Blackboard. I believe the latest is > 9.1? I happen to love Blackboard for my classes. When a professor says > "It's on Blackboard" I jump for joy, because it means I have access to > the same things that other students can access. > My two cents, > Jewel Shuping > Wake Technical Community College > > On 8/21/12, Nathan Clark wrote: >> Dear all, >> Blackboard is user friendly to the blind. I worked for my college's >> blackboard staff for almost two semesters and it is good. The only >> part you may have problems is with the Discussion Board. However, I >> don't know exactly know what version my school is running but I like >> how Jaws navigates around the site. >> Sincerely, >> Nathan Clark >> >> On 8/21/12, Patrick Molloy wrote: >>> Have they given a reason why they won't do that? If they are uploading >>> things to Blackboard, then they already have electronic copies of the >>> documents. Maybe talk to your disabilities office and tell them what's >>> going on. They might be able to talk to the professors for you and >>> solve the problem. >>> >>> On 8/21/12, Koby Cox wrote: >>>> Patrick, >>>> They are refusing to do so. >>>> Koby. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Patrick Molloy >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>> Date sent: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 11:54:43 -0400 >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Black board question >>>> >>>> Koby, >>>> As far as I know, Blackboard isn't accessible with JAWS. It can >>>> work, >>>> but it's difficult. Newer versions of Blackboard are "better," >>>> but >>>> that's not saying much. On the other hand, Moodle, which is >>>> similar in >>>> nature to Blackboard, is more accessible. The best workaround >>>> I've >>>> found is to just have your professors e-mail things. >>>> Patrick >>>> >>>> On 8/21/12, Koby Cox wrote: >>>> Hello all, >>>> Is blackboard accessible with JAWS? Is there a way to make it >>>> accessible with JAWS? >>>> Right back soon, >>>> Koby. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% >>>> 40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gma >>>> il.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From trillian551 at gmail.com Thu Aug 23 13:11:49 2012 From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 09:11:49 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Reading PDF's in Firefox In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Arielle, Firefox is an awesome browser, but it doesn't like PDFs! Updating Jaws will not help you at all. I'm running Jaws 13 and the latest version of Firefox, but it just will not work. What I do is once the pdf is opened, I save the page and then open it from my documents or wherever you save it. Which is annoying, but it's also annoying having to find that same webpage on Explorer for it to be opened. I know that doesn't help much, but it's the only work around I've heard of that works. Mary On 8/22/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi all, > Speaking of PDF documents, I am having a problem reading PDF's with > the Firefox browser and am wondering if any of you have found any > solutions. When I go to a website that has a link to a PDF document, > like a course website or a restaurant website with PDF menus, and I > press enter to open the link to the PDF, after Adobe loads the file, > JAWS says "Open embedded object button graphic" but pressing enter on > this button, or left-clicking it, does absolutely nothing. > Occasionally I have gotten the PDF to open after entering a bunch of > random commands in frustration, but I haven't figured out how to > reliably get JAWS to read the PDF embedded in a Firefox webpage. Any > suggestions? I am using the latest version of Firefox but because I am > cheap, JAWS 11. Do I need to upgrade JAWS in order to do this? > Arielle > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com > -- Mary Fernandez Emory 2012 "A pioneer is not someone who makes her own soap. She is one who takes up her burdens and walks toward the future." -- Laurel Thatcher Ulrich From dsykora29 at gmail.com Thu Aug 23 13:12:39 2012 From: dsykora29 at gmail.com (Danielle Sykora) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 09:12:39 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Brochure help, In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Ashley, I am also unsure how to check for the correct alinement of columns. Sorry I can't answer your question but maybe someone else can. Danielle On 8/22/12, Ashley Coleman wrote: > Hi Danielle, > How do you make sure that your columns are set up correctly, and how > do you insert text into spacific places? > > > On 8/22/12, Danielle Sykora wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> These are all good suggestions. I often have to make brochures for my >> classes and I usually ask my teachers for suggestions about font size, >> type, and color. A bulleted list is very useful for displaying >> important information. >> Danielle >> >> On 8/22/12, Ashley Coleman wrote: >>> Good Idea,! >>> Ashley CJoshua >>> >>> On 8/21/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>> Wow! >>>> I was just thinking about this! >>>> I hate to highjack this thread, but I've noticed a trend! >>>> We have so many students on here, with the same first name! >>>> We have two Joshes, 3 Ashleys, etc. >>>> We need to come up with a way to make it known, which person with a >>>> similar >>>> name, we're talking to on this list! >>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>> ________________________________________ >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf >>>> of >>>> Ashley Bramlett [bookwormahb at earthlink.net] >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 9:59 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Brochure help, >>>> >>>> Ashley, >>>> I'm Ashley too and I attend a community college part time getting a >>>> certificate while looking for work; I have a BA in liberal studies; >>>> I'll >>>> get >>>> a certificate and extra relevant classes for my resume here at nova. >>>> >>>> About the brochure, jaws doesn't always describe colors and layout >>>> well. >>>> However, if you just need a simple brochure, creating one will not >>>> require >>>> much extra eyes. What is its purpose? >>>> >>>> Do you have any vision? If so this will aid you in creating it. If not, >>>> do >>>> the best with jaws and have a sighted person assist you in the layout. >>>> Also, your professor should give you tips on things like font type and >>>> size. >>>> >>>> I've not created a brochure, but have created flyers for a club and >>>> readers. >>>> So, that said, here is what I might do for a brochure. >>>> >>>> I have a little central vision so this may help me pick a font. I'd >>>> select >>>> a >>>> font with curly edges of letters. >>>> such as Georgia. Another idea would be pick one with dark block letter >>>> lines >>>> such as Impact or >>>> Showcard gothic. >>>> You should type your information in smaller font, maybe size 12 or 14. >>>> If >>>> its a list of important things like dates, you might want to make a >>>> bulleted list. >>>> Note that Word had several types of bullets, but I think the more >>>> common >>>> ones are a square bullet or the circle filled bullet; that is what I've >>>> seen >>>> often. But you can always check with someone sighted to find out. >>>> >>>> Then you might want to add some pictures by either using clip art or >>>> cutting >>>> and pasting in existing pictures from other sources. >>>> Clip art is in the insert tab. >>>> >>>> Finally, Microsoft word lets you add page borders and a background >>>> color, >>>> but I suggest printing on colored paper, its easier. >>>> To do either one, go to the page layout tab. If you wish to add a >>>> border, >>>> go >>>> to page borders in that tab. If you tab to the combo box that says >>>> art, you can pick any number of picture borders that will be displayed >>>> around the page; quite pretty but not sure it would help for this type >>>> of >>>> brochure. All pictures are spoken so you know what you're choosing; >>>> pick >>>> one >>>> and press enter, otherwise its not selected. >>>> Art graphics include apples, cookies, cake, hearts, and even Christmas >>>> trees. >>>> >>>> You can also write text into a box; I suggest picking the first box so >>>> it >>>> does not look like a template then. To do this go to the insert tab and >>>> tab >>>> to text box; open that display of choices and press enter on the first >>>> choice wich is the simple text box with no additional formatting. >>>> It is in the center of your page, but to move it, press the standard >>>> commands of control L for left or control R for right. >>>> You can also create tables in word; that is accessible too. That might >>>> be >>>> good for some brochures. >>>> >>>> If we have more info on the expectations for it and who the audience >>>> is, >>>> we >>>> might have more ideas. You can make it look funny or serious, depending >>>> on >>>> the audience. >>>> hth, >>>> Ashley >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Ashley Coleman >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 10:19 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Brochure help, >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> My name is Ashley and I am attending UNCP for a degree in Special >>>> Education Teaching. >>>> >>>> I am wondering if any of you have had to create a tri-fold brochure for >>>> a >>>> class, if you did how did you accomplish it. I am using Microsoft Word >>>> 2010 and Jaws 12. >>>> >>>> Thanks, Ashley, >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40gmail.com > From amc05111 at gmail.com Thu Aug 23 13:47:30 2012 From: amc05111 at gmail.com (Ashley Coleman) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 09:47:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Black board question In-Reply-To: <4D44B8FD729C4F95A1E1E3EE0628F22D@Gloria> References: <5033c166.2610b60a.348e.3388@mx.google.com> <4D44B8FD729C4F95A1E1E3EE0628F22D@Gloria> Message-ID: Hi Gloria, yes, that is correct. I do not know if you have to purchase it though. Ashley On 8/23/12, Gloria G wrote: > Hi, > How would I get the latest version of powerpoint? Is it just a matter of > downloading it when I go to the page? Thanks > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jewel" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 10:01 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Black board question > > >> Dear list, >> I would like to back up what was said about Blackboard being >> accessible. I have used it for over a year now (this is my third >> semester using it for all my classes), and the only problems I have >> had were not because of inaccessibility of Blackboard (such as .PDF >> files or inaccessible powerpoints). I also just posted on the >> discussion forum for my literature class and using Insert + F7 to find >> the links to create a new thread and submit, I had no problem! B The >> latest version of Blackboard, which my college has, is as close to >> accessible as you can get, and is even friendly with headings and >> links. If Blackboard is not working for someone, it may be that the >> school has a previous version of Blackboard. I believe the latest is >> 9.1? I happen to love Blackboard for my classes. When a professor says >> "It's on Blackboard" I jump for joy, because it means I have access to >> the same things that other students can access. >> My two cents, >> Jewel Shuping >> Wake Technical Community College >> >> On 8/21/12, Nathan Clark wrote: >>> Dear all, >>> Blackboard is user friendly to the blind. I worked for my college's >>> blackboard staff for almost two semesters and it is good. The only >>> part you may have problems is with the Discussion Board. However, I >>> don't know exactly know what version my school is running but I like >>> how Jaws navigates around the site. >>> Sincerely, >>> Nathan Clark >>> >>> On 8/21/12, Patrick Molloy wrote: >>>> Have they given a reason why they won't do that? If they are uploading >>>> things to Blackboard, then they already have electronic copies of the >>>> documents. Maybe talk to your disabilities office and tell them what's >>>> going on. They might be able to talk to the professors for you and >>>> solve the problem. >>>> >>>> On 8/21/12, Koby Cox wrote: >>>>> Patrick, >>>>> They are refusing to do so. >>>>> Koby. >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Patrick Molloy >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> >>>> Date sent: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 11:54:43 -0400 >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Black board question >>>>> >>>>> Koby, >>>>> As far as I know, Blackboard isn't accessible with JAWS. It can >>>>> work, >>>>> but it's difficult. Newer versions of Blackboard are "better," >>>>> but >>>>> that's not saying much. On the other hand, Moodle, which is >>>>> similar in >>>>> nature to Blackboard, is more accessible. The best workaround >>>>> I've >>>>> found is to just have your professors e-mail things. >>>>> Patrick >>>>> >>>>> On 8/21/12, Koby Cox wrote: >>>>> Hello all, >>>>> Is blackboard accessible with JAWS? Is there a way to make it >>>>> accessible with JAWS? >>>>> Right back soon, >>>>> Koby. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>> info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% >>>>> 40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gma >>>>> il.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com > From amc05111 at gmail.com Thu Aug 23 13:48:02 2012 From: amc05111 at gmail.com (Ashley Coleman) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 09:48:02 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Brochure help, In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks, Danielle! On 8/23/12, Danielle Sykora wrote: > Hi Ashley, > I am also unsure how to check for the correct alinement of columns. > Sorry I can't answer your question but maybe someone else can. > Danielle > > On 8/22/12, Ashley Coleman wrote: >> Hi Danielle, >> How do you make sure that your columns are set up correctly, and how >> do you insert text into spacific places? >> >> >> On 8/22/12, Danielle Sykora wrote: >>> Hi everyone, >>> These are all good suggestions. I often have to make brochures for my >>> classes and I usually ask my teachers for suggestions about font size, >>> type, and color. A bulleted list is very useful for displaying >>> important information. >>> Danielle >>> >>> On 8/22/12, Ashley Coleman wrote: >>>> Good Idea,! >>>> Ashley CJoshua >>>> >>>> On 8/21/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>>> Wow! >>>>> I was just thinking about this! >>>>> I hate to highjack this thread, but I've noticed a trend! >>>>> We have so many students on here, with the same first name! >>>>> We have two Joshes, 3 Ashleys, etc. >>>>> We need to come up with a way to make it known, which person with a >>>>> similar >>>>> name, we're talking to on this list! >>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>> ________________________________________ >>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf >>>>> of >>>>> Ashley Bramlett [bookwormahb at earthlink.net] >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 9:59 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Brochure help, >>>>> >>>>> Ashley, >>>>> I'm Ashley too and I attend a community college part time getting a >>>>> certificate while looking for work; I have a BA in liberal studies; >>>>> I'll >>>>> get >>>>> a certificate and extra relevant classes for my resume here at nova. >>>>> >>>>> About the brochure, jaws doesn't always describe colors and layout >>>>> well. >>>>> However, if you just need a simple brochure, creating one will not >>>>> require >>>>> much extra eyes. What is its purpose? >>>>> >>>>> Do you have any vision? If so this will aid you in creating it. If >>>>> not, >>>>> do >>>>> the best with jaws and have a sighted person assist you in the layout. >>>>> Also, your professor should give you tips on things like font type and >>>>> size. >>>>> >>>>> I've not created a brochure, but have created flyers for a club and >>>>> readers. >>>>> So, that said, here is what I might do for a brochure. >>>>> >>>>> I have a little central vision so this may help me pick a font. I'd >>>>> select >>>>> a >>>>> font with curly edges of letters. >>>>> such as Georgia. Another idea would be pick one with dark block letter >>>>> lines >>>>> such as Impact or >>>>> Showcard gothic. >>>>> You should type your information in smaller font, maybe size 12 or 14. >>>>> If >>>>> its a list of important things like dates, you might want to make a >>>>> bulleted list. >>>>> Note that Word had several types of bullets, but I think the more >>>>> common >>>>> ones are a square bullet or the circle filled bullet; that is what >>>>> I've >>>>> seen >>>>> often. But you can always check with someone sighted to find out. >>>>> >>>>> Then you might want to add some pictures by either using clip art or >>>>> cutting >>>>> and pasting in existing pictures from other sources. >>>>> Clip art is in the insert tab. >>>>> >>>>> Finally, Microsoft word lets you add page borders and a background >>>>> color, >>>>> but I suggest printing on colored paper, its easier. >>>>> To do either one, go to the page layout tab. If you wish to add a >>>>> border, >>>>> go >>>>> to page borders in that tab. If you tab to the combo box that says >>>>> art, you can pick any number of picture borders that will be displayed >>>>> around the page; quite pretty but not sure it would help for this type >>>>> of >>>>> brochure. All pictures are spoken so you know what you're choosing; >>>>> pick >>>>> one >>>>> and press enter, otherwise its not selected. >>>>> Art graphics include apples, cookies, cake, hearts, and even Christmas >>>>> trees. >>>>> >>>>> You can also write text into a box; I suggest picking the first box so >>>>> it >>>>> does not look like a template then. To do this go to the insert tab >>>>> and >>>>> tab >>>>> to text box; open that display of choices and press enter on the first >>>>> choice wich is the simple text box with no additional formatting. >>>>> It is in the center of your page, but to move it, press the standard >>>>> commands of control L for left or control R for right. >>>>> You can also create tables in word; that is accessible too. That might >>>>> be >>>>> good for some brochures. >>>>> >>>>> If we have more info on the expectations for it and who the audience >>>>> is, >>>>> we >>>>> might have more ideas. You can make it look funny or serious, >>>>> depending >>>>> on >>>>> the audience. >>>>> hth, >>>>> Ashley >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Ashley Coleman >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 10:19 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Brochure help, >>>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> My name is Ashley and I am attending UNCP for a degree in Special >>>>> Education Teaching. >>>>> >>>>> I am wondering if any of you have had to create a tri-fold brochure >>>>> for >>>>> a >>>>> class, if you did how did you accomplish it. I am using Microsoft >>>>> Word >>>>> 2010 and Jaws 12. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, Ashley, >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Aug 23 14:26:36 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 10:26:36 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Black board question In-Reply-To: <4D44B8FD729C4F95A1E1E3EE0628F22D@Gloria> References: <5033c166.2610b60a.348e.3388@mx.google.com> <4D44B8FD729C4F95A1E1E3EE0628F22D@Gloria> Message-ID: <66B85E0A6A5C455D8A79617ABBB2064C@OwnerPC> Gloria, No, you have to purchase either the powerpoint application or the full office suite. your school bookstore probably offers a discount on microsoft suite products. -----Original Message----- From: Gloria G Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 9:09 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Black board question Hi, How would I get the latest version of powerpoint? Is it just a matter of downloading it when I go to the page? Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jewel" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Black board question > Dear list, > I would like to back up what was said about Blackboard being > accessible. I have used it for over a year now (this is my third > semester using it for all my classes), and the only problems I have > had were not because of inaccessibility of Blackboard (such as .PDF > files or inaccessible powerpoints). I also just posted on the > discussion forum for my literature class and using Insert + F7 to find > the links to create a new thread and submit, I had no problem! B The > latest version of Blackboard, which my college has, is as close to > accessible as you can get, and is even friendly with headings and > links. If Blackboard is not working for someone, it may be that the > school has a previous version of Blackboard. I believe the latest is > 9.1? I happen to love Blackboard for my classes. When a professor says > "It's on Blackboard" I jump for joy, because it means I have access to > the same things that other students can access. > My two cents, > Jewel Shuping > Wake Technical Community College > > On 8/21/12, Nathan Clark wrote: >> Dear all, >> Blackboard is user friendly to the blind. I worked for my college's >> blackboard staff for almost two semesters and it is good. The only >> part you may have problems is with the Discussion Board. However, I >> don't know exactly know what version my school is running but I like >> how Jaws navigates around the site. >> Sincerely, >> Nathan Clark >> >> On 8/21/12, Patrick Molloy wrote: >>> Have they given a reason why they won't do that? If they are uploading >>> things to Blackboard, then they already have electronic copies of the >>> documents. Maybe talk to your disabilities office and tell them what's >>> going on. They might be able to talk to the professors for you and >>> solve the problem. >>> >>> On 8/21/12, Koby Cox wrote: >>>> Patrick, >>>> They are refusing to do so. >>>> Koby. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Patrick Molloy >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>> Date sent: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 11:54:43 -0400 >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Black board question >>>> >>>> Koby, >>>> As far as I know, Blackboard isn't accessible with JAWS. It can >>>> work, >>>> but it's difficult. Newer versions of Blackboard are "better," >>>> but >>>> that's not saying much. On the other hand, Moodle, which is >>>> similar in >>>> nature to Blackboard, is more accessible. The best workaround >>>> I've >>>> found is to just have your professors e-mail things. >>>> Patrick >>>> >>>> On 8/21/12, Koby Cox wrote: >>>> Hello all, >>>> Is blackboard accessible with JAWS? Is there a way to make it >>>> accessible with JAWS? >>>> Right back soon, >>>> Koby. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% >>>> 40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gma >>>> il.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From gloria.graves at gmail.com Thu Aug 23 14:45:44 2012 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 09:45:44 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Black board question References: <5033c166.2610b60a.348e.3388@mx.google.com><4D44B8FD729C4F95A1E1E3EE0628F22D@Gloria> <66B85E0A6A5C455D8A79617ABBB2064C@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <1B2AF613B2EB4B12AAB8FEABFDBAFD8C@Gloria> Hi, I am sorry my post was wrong. I was asking about blackboard not powerpoint. I figured out what I needed to get though. Thanks and sorry for the confusion ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Black board question > Gloria, > No, you have to purchase either the powerpoint application or the full > office suite. your school bookstore probably offers a discount on > microsoft suite products. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gloria G > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 9:09 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Black board question > > Hi, > How would I get the latest version of powerpoint? Is it just a matter of > downloading it when I go to the page? Thanks > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jewel" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 10:01 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Black board question > > >> Dear list, >> I would like to back up what was said about Blackboard being >> accessible. I have used it for over a year now (this is my third >> semester using it for all my classes), and the only problems I have >> had were not because of inaccessibility of Blackboard (such as .PDF >> files or inaccessible powerpoints). I also just posted on the >> discussion forum for my literature class and using Insert + F7 to find >> the links to create a new thread and submit, I had no problem! B The >> latest version of Blackboard, which my college has, is as close to >> accessible as you can get, and is even friendly with headings and >> links. If Blackboard is not working for someone, it may be that the >> school has a previous version of Blackboard. I believe the latest is >> 9.1? I happen to love Blackboard for my classes. When a professor says >> "It's on Blackboard" I jump for joy, because it means I have access to >> the same things that other students can access. >> My two cents, >> Jewel Shuping >> Wake Technical Community College >> >> On 8/21/12, Nathan Clark wrote: >>> Dear all, >>> Blackboard is user friendly to the blind. I worked for my college's >>> blackboard staff for almost two semesters and it is good. The only >>> part you may have problems is with the Discussion Board. However, I >>> don't know exactly know what version my school is running but I like >>> how Jaws navigates around the site. >>> Sincerely, >>> Nathan Clark >>> >>> On 8/21/12, Patrick Molloy wrote: >>>> Have they given a reason why they won't do that? If they are uploading >>>> things to Blackboard, then they already have electronic copies of the >>>> documents. Maybe talk to your disabilities office and tell them what's >>>> going on. They might be able to talk to the professors for you and >>>> solve the problem. >>>> >>>> On 8/21/12, Koby Cox wrote: >>>>> Patrick, >>>>> They are refusing to do so. >>>>> Koby. >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Patrick Molloy >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> >>>> Date sent: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 11:54:43 -0400 >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Black board question >>>>> >>>>> Koby, >>>>> As far as I know, Blackboard isn't accessible with JAWS. It can >>>>> work, >>>>> but it's difficult. Newer versions of Blackboard are "better," >>>>> but >>>>> that's not saying much. On the other hand, Moodle, which is >>>>> similar in >>>>> nature to Blackboard, is more accessible. The best workaround >>>>> I've >>>>> found is to just have your professors e-mail things. >>>>> Patrick >>>>> >>>>> On 8/21/12, Koby Cox wrote: >>>>> Hello all, >>>>> Is blackboard accessible with JAWS? Is there a way to make it >>>>> accessible with JAWS? >>>>> Right back soon, >>>>> Koby. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>> info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% >>>>> 40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gma >>>>> il.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com Thu Aug 23 17:10:28 2012 From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 13:10:28 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Has Anyone Ever Used Moodle? In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.2.20120822132702.01bd91f0@comcast.net> <0391F7F7599D48BFA37AE2EC296BFF04@acerd37f251f21> Message-ID: Hi Misty, I also ran into this problem with viewing pdf files from the Internet a while ago and was able to fix it by adjusting one accessibility setting in Adobe Reader by going to Edit > Accessibility > Accessibility Assistant. You will be taken through a series of screens (I believe there are four of them), and you will find the option "Display documents within web browsers" on the last page. This option is checked by default, so just uncheck it and click Finish and you should be all set. In the future, when you click on a link to a pdf file, the document will be opened in a separate Adobe Reader window instead of within your browser, and you can choose to either read it right then or save it to your computer by going to File > Save As. The Save Target As method Arielle mentioned is also a good one to know and can save you a lot of time if you want to download the pdf documents without opening them, but unfortunately I have found that it doesn't work with all websites. Hope this helps! Katie On 8/22/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi Misty, > Try right-clicking on the PDF link instead of clicking it with Enter. > This should bring up a context menu, from which you should click "Save > target as" (or in Firefox, "Save link as". Then save the file to your > computer. > HTH, > Arielle > > On 8/22/12, Misty Dawn Bradley wrote: >> Hi all, >> I just found out that the problem was only with the pdf files. The >> Microsoft >> >> Word and Powerpoint files seem to download just fine, and I am able to >> submit assignments. I will probably look at my settings to see if I can >> get >> >> the pdf files to just save to my computer rather than just automatically >> opening in the browser, because I think that may be what is causing the >> problem. >> Thanks, >> Misty >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Hope Paulos" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 5:00 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Has Anyone Ever Used Moodle? >> >> >>>I have used Moodle as an instructor. It's accessible with Jaws! >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Aug 22, 2012, at 4:29 PM, Carly Mihalakis >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Good afternoon, I have found both Turnitin and MOODLE to sights which >>>> happen to both be used at my school damned near unaccessable.. So, for >>>> this reason, I insist on simply emailing the assignment. Perhaps you >>>> wanna try that? Seems, life is way too short trying to make those >>>> inaccessable, things work for us.At 12:58 PM 8/22/2012, Misty Dawn >>>> Bradley wrote: >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> I just started school this year at my local community college, and >>>>> they >>>>> >>>>> are using an online system called Moodel. Moodel is similar to >>>>> Blackboard, but I think it is from a different company. For the most >>>>> part, it is accessible, but I cannot get any of the files that the >>>>> instructors upload to the site, such as the course syllabus and >>>>> handouts, to work with JAWS, because it seems that it will not let you >>>>> download it to your computer and that you have to view it on the page. >>>>> The file does not show up on the page even though the page says it is >>>>> there. I have tried with both Fire Fox and Internet Explorer with Jaws >>>>> 10 in Windows XP. >>>>> Have any of you ever used Moodel with your school? All of my classes >>>>> are >>>>> >>>>> using it, even though they are face-to-face classes. >>>>> Thank you, >>>>> Misty >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com > From marsha.drenth at gmail.com Thu Aug 23 17:48:08 2012 From: marsha.drenth at gmail.com (Marsha Drenth) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 13:48:08 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Iphone apps for students In-Reply-To: <7315011423932830902@unknownmsgid> References: <555BE90F-160F-4DE3-A4FB-27E8A8E63518@gmail.com> <8A24CFA5-59C4-403E-AFE4-4B457554F027@gmail.com> <7315011423932830902@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <7A4567FB-F9E1-4132-83EA-12652BEF8469@gmail.com> Thank you for the app suggestions, I will have to look into them. I have used the applevis.com website, but there are so many apps, and so much information it is overwhelming. I already have a bluetooth keyboard. that is how I do all of my writing/texting on the IPhone now. If i don't have my keyboard, my typing is horrible. Again Thank you, and if you or anyone have any other suggestions for apps, please write about it here. I like the I devices. Marsha drenthSent from my iPhone On Aug 22, 2012, at 11:03 AM, Ignasi Cambra wrote: > Hello, > First of all I would suggest that you buy a small bluetooth keyboard > to use with your phone. Taking notes is really a lot faster that way. > I don't think you can find a single app that will do everything that > you need. You can probably use the Pages app to take notes. I > personally haven't used it a lot so I'm not sure which file formats it > can save to, but I'm pretty sure it should be able to open Ms Word and > rtf files. You can also try and see how accessible ppt files are when > using the Keynote iPhone app. Maybe someone else on this list is > familiar with it? Both Pages and Keynote work with iCloud, so you > should be able to access your documents from any computer through the > icloud.com site. > The Dropbox app for iOS is quite nice and it allows you to view many > kinds of files, but it won't let you edit them. > I have used the Notes app that comes installed on the iPhone and it > works just fine when taking simple notes in class. You can easily > organize notes by date and give them a title. It is also possible for > you to email notes, and you can even use the Voice Memos app to record > the lecture at the same time, in case you miss anything and you want > to add it to your notes later. > Hope it helps! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 22, 2012, at 10:50 AM, Marsha Drenth wrote: > >>> Hi students, >>> >>> Looks like this semester, I'll be using my IPhone for notetaking in class. And although this is not an bad option. I am looking for an app that is easily accessible, works on the IPhone. and I can edit PDF, RTF, TXT, DOC, DOCX, excel, access, and PP files. I would like for it to be capable with Dropbox too. I have been combing the internet for an app solution, but have not found anything exactly to what I am looking for. So if any of you students have suggestions. Please do let me know. You can email me off list. >>> >>> My computer crashed and burned a few weeks ago. Have been working for weeks to even recover the basic of files off the dead computer. Now I am waiting for OVR to get the laptop in that I ordered. Classes start next week, so I need somethingsoon. I have an ancient laptop, but my Iphone is faster and more powerful at this point than it. >>> >>> Thank you in advance, >>> >>> Marsha drenthSent from my iPhone >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.com From mistydbradley at gmail.com Thu Aug 23 19:59:17 2012 From: mistydbradley at gmail.com (Misty Dawn Bradley) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 15:59:17 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Has Anyone Ever Used Moodle? References: <7.0.1.0.2.20120822132702.01bd91f0@comcast.net><0391F7F7599D48BFA37AE2EC296BFF04@acerd37f251f21> Message-ID: <6749844901724CC4857AAD8A7C9934B2@acerd37f251f21> Hi Katie, Thank you for the advice. I will try it and see if it helps. Thanks, Misty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katie Wang" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Has Anyone Ever Used Moodle? > Hi Misty, > > I also ran into this problem with viewing pdf files from the Internet > a while ago and was able to fix it by adjusting one accessibility > setting in Adobe Reader by going to Edit > Accessibility > > Accessibility Assistant. You will be taken through a series of screens > (I believe there are four of them), and you will find the option > "Display documents within web browsers" on the last page. This option > is checked by default, so just uncheck it and click Finish and you > should be all set. In the future, when you click on a link to a pdf > file, the document will be opened in a separate Adobe Reader window > instead of within your browser, and you can choose to either read it > right then or save it to your computer by going to File > Save As. The > Save Target As method Arielle mentioned is also a good one to know and > can save you a lot of time if you want to download the pdf documents > without opening them, but unfortunately I have found that it doesn't > work with all websites. Hope this helps! > > Katie > > > On 8/22/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: >> Hi Misty, >> Try right-clicking on the PDF link instead of clicking it with Enter. >> This should bring up a context menu, from which you should click "Save >> target as" (or in Firefox, "Save link as". Then save the file to your >> computer. >> HTH, >> Arielle >> >> On 8/22/12, Misty Dawn Bradley wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> I just found out that the problem was only with the pdf files. The >>> Microsoft >>> >>> Word and Powerpoint files seem to download just fine, and I am able to >>> submit assignments. I will probably look at my settings to see if I can >>> get >>> >>> the pdf files to just save to my computer rather than just automatically >>> opening in the browser, because I think that may be what is causing the >>> problem. >>> Thanks, >>> Misty >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Hope Paulos" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 5:00 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Has Anyone Ever Used Moodle? >>> >>> >>>>I have used Moodle as an instructor. It's accessible with Jaws! >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Aug 22, 2012, at 4:29 PM, Carly Mihalakis >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Good afternoon, I have found both Turnitin and MOODLE to sights which >>>>> happen to both be used at my school damned near unaccessable.. So, for >>>>> this reason, I insist on simply emailing the assignment. Perhaps you >>>>> wanna try that? Seems, life is way too short trying to make those >>>>> inaccessable, things work for us.At 12:58 PM 8/22/2012, Misty Dawn >>>>> Bradley wrote: >>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>> I just started school this year at my local community college, and >>>>>> they >>>>>> >>>>>> are using an online system called Moodel. Moodel is similar to >>>>>> Blackboard, but I think it is from a different company. For the most >>>>>> part, it is accessible, but I cannot get any of the files that the >>>>>> instructors upload to the site, such as the course syllabus and >>>>>> handouts, to work with JAWS, because it seems that it will not let >>>>>> you >>>>>> download it to your computer and that you have to view it on the >>>>>> page. >>>>>> The file does not show up on the page even though the page says it is >>>>>> there. I have tried with both Fire Fox and Internet Explorer with >>>>>> Jaws >>>>>> 10 in Windows XP. >>>>>> Have any of you ever used Moodel with your school? All of my classes >>>>>> are >>>>>> >>>>>> using it, even though they are face-to-face classes. >>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>> Misty >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com From brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com Thu Aug 23 22:36:24 2012 From: brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com (Brandon Keith Biggs) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 15:36:24 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Check writing software? Message-ID: <0679C8E1363E44D295CE6ED464C23AA0@BrandonsLaptop2> Hello, I am wondering if anyone knows of an accessible check writing software? I know there are a lot of programs for business, but I just need a simple one for home use. Does anyone know if Cash Manager has a check writing feature or what is out there? Thank you, Brandon Keith Biggs From icewolf2011 at gtwebdesign.us Fri Aug 24 00:01:59 2012 From: icewolf2011 at gtwebdesign.us (Greg Wocher) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 20:01:59 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Check writing software? In-Reply-To: <0679C8E1363E44D295CE6ED464C23AA0@BrandonsLaptop2> References: <0679C8E1363E44D295CE6ED464C23AA0@BrandonsLaptop2> Message-ID: <5036C477.5010705@gtwebdesign.us> Hello, Money talks from the American Printing House for the blind can print checks and is completely accessible. here is it's webpage: http://www.aph.org/products/mt_bro.html It costs $50 for the copy on cd and $40 for the downloadable version. Hope this helps, Greg Wocher On 8/23/2012 6:36 PM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: > Hello, > I am wondering if anyone knows of an accessible check writing > software? I know there are a lot of programs for business, but I just > need a simple one for home use. Does anyone know if Cash Manager has a > check writing feature or what is out there? > Thank you, > > Brandon Keith Biggs > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/icewolf2011%40gtwebdesign.us > > From steve.jacobson at visi.com Fri Aug 24 00:19:12 2012 From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 19:19:12 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Check writing software? In-Reply-To: <0679C8E1363E44D295CE6ED464C23AA0@BrandonsLaptop2> Message-ID: I've been very happy with Monty Talkes from the American Printing House for the Blind and it is fairly inexpensive, around $40. You can get a demo that will let you enter up to 20 transactions. It can either work with your screen reader or it can be set to be self-voicing. Go to http://www.aph.org and look for the "Software" link. Best regards, Steve Jacobson On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 15:36:24 -0700, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: >Hello, >I am wondering if anyone knows of an accessible check writing software? I >know there are a lot of programs for business, but I just need a simple one >for home use. Does anyone know if Cash Manager has a check writing feature >or what is out there? >Thank you, >Brandon Keith Biggs >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Aug 24 01:43:22 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 21:43:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Iphone apps for students In-Reply-To: <7A4567FB-F9E1-4132-83EA-12652BEF8469@gmail.com> References: <555BE90F-160F-4DE3-A4FB-27E8A8E63518@gmail.com> <8A24CFA5-59C4-403E-AFE4-4B457554F027@gmail.com> <7315011423932830902@unknownmsgid> <7A4567FB-F9E1-4132-83EA-12652BEF8469@gmail.com> Message-ID: <002801cd8199$d974eaf0$8c5ec0d0$@gmail.com> Hi Marsha, The Notes app which comes with an iOS device is also a good tool for word processing. Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marsha Drenth Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 1:48 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Iphone apps for students Thank you for the app suggestions, I will have to look into them. I have used the applevis.com website, but there are so many apps, and so much information it is overwhelming. I already have a bluetooth keyboard. that is how I do all of my writing/texting on the IPhone now. If i don't have my keyboard, my typing is horrible. Again Thank you, and if you or anyone have any other suggestions for apps, please write about it here. I like the I devices. Marsha drenthSent from my iPhone On Aug 22, 2012, at 11:03 AM, Ignasi Cambra wrote: > Hello, > First of all I would suggest that you buy a small bluetooth keyboard > to use with your phone. Taking notes is really a lot faster that way. > I don't think you can find a single app that will do everything that > you need. You can probably use the Pages app to take notes. I > personally haven't used it a lot so I'm not sure which file formats it > can save to, but I'm pretty sure it should be able to open Ms Word and > rtf files. You can also try and see how accessible ppt files are when > using the Keynote iPhone app. Maybe someone else on this list is > familiar with it? Both Pages and Keynote work with iCloud, so you > should be able to access your documents from any computer through the > icloud.com site. > The Dropbox app for iOS is quite nice and it allows you to view many > kinds of files, but it won't let you edit them. > I have used the Notes app that comes installed on the iPhone and it > works just fine when taking simple notes in class. You can easily > organize notes by date and give them a title. It is also possible for > you to email notes, and you can even use the Voice Memos app to record > the lecture at the same time, in case you miss anything and you want > to add it to your notes later. > Hope it helps! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 22, 2012, at 10:50 AM, Marsha Drenth wrote: > >>> Hi students, >>> >>> Looks like this semester, I'll be using my IPhone for notetaking in class. And although this is not an bad option. I am looking for an app that is easily accessible, works on the IPhone. and I can edit PDF, RTF, TXT, DOC, DOCX, excel, access, and PP files. I would like for it to be capable with Dropbox too. I have been combing the internet for an app solution, but have not found anything exactly to what I am looking for. So if any of you students have suggestions. Please do let me know. You can email me off list. >>> >>> My computer crashed and burned a few weeks ago. Have been working for weeks to even recover the basic of files off the dead computer. Now I am waiting for OVR to get the laptop in that I ordered. Classes start next week, so I need somethingsoon. I have an ancient laptop, but my Iphone is faster and more powerful at this point than it. >>> >>> Thank you in advance, >>> >>> Marsha drenthSent from my iPhone >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gm >> ail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gm > ail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From ignasicambra at gmail.com Fri Aug 24 03:07:43 2012 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 23:07:43 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail In-Reply-To: References: <000301cd7bc4$2828a050$7879e0f0$@com> <003c01cd7bc8$e3bad3c0$ab307b40$@gmail.com> <000301cd7bce$b9aa0820$2cfe1860$@gmail.com> <-7564069964922924230@unknownmsgid> <8716508767197085693@unknownmsgid> <391507BB-59BA-4143-9AAD-F0CDF073D63E@gmail.com> <6B9A3D2F-0001-4D86-8A33-A28E57C17AF1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <-4729622736357396613@unknownmsgid> Joshua... For the last time... If you would only use a desktop email client to use your gmail or yahoo email addresses you wouldn't have to care so much about how accessible or inaccessible their websites are. The gmail site can certainly be used both in standard and only html modes, but if you don't know how to do it then use Microsoft Outlook or any other client that you like!!!!! Sent from my iPhone On Aug 22, 2012, at 1:10 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > I'm having issues with my favorite clients, GMail, and Yahoo. > How accessible is AOL? > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Coleman [amc05111 at gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 9:48 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail > > Joshua, I would suggest using another email client for your personal > email because it would be simpler to handle. > Ashley C > > On 8/21/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >> I'm bumping this E-mail thread, because I've noticed some things that are >> troubling me. >> My student address book is filled with every student's college E-mail >> address, and every other employee's E-mail addresses! >> I can't create my own contacts, because the people have built this address >> book up, with everyone's E-mail addresses, and I don't necessarily want the >> contact information of every single student, on all 3 campuses! >> Whatever happened to student privacy? >> Also, I can't get to my contacts on this interface! >> Please help! >> Thanks, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >> Lavonya Gardner [hotdancer1416 at gmail.com] >> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 4:55 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >> >> That sucks! Y is that? >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Aug 18, 2012, at 14:51, Joshua Lester >> wrote: >> >>> The GMail server has been phased out, so I'm stuck with this one. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >>> Lavonya Gardner [hotdancer1416 at gmail.com] >>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 3:20 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>> >>> Go back 2 g mail >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Aug 18, 2012, at 11:40, Joshua Lester >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Now, to another question. >>>> How can I access my contacts, on this new interface? >>>> When I go to contacts, it won't let me view them, like GMail would. >>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>> ________________________________________ >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >>>> Ignasi Cambra [ignasicambra at gmail.com] >>>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 10:29 AM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>> >>>> Obviously by reading your email I meant both reading and sending...! >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Aug 17, 2012, at 3:17 PM, Joshua Lester >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I can read my E-mails just fine, but it's sending one E-mail to multiple >>>>> recipiants, that's troubling me. >>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>> ________________________________________ >>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >>>>> Ignasi Cambra [ignasicambra at gmail.com] >>>>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 3:02 AM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>>> >>>>> I don't know how accessible the web interface is, but if it doesn't >>>>> work you should try reading your email from an email program such as >>>>> Outlook or anything else that you like. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 16, 2012, at 12:53 PM, Joshua Lester >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> It's a WebMail interface. >>>>>> The interface is called, "Microsoft Exchange." >>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>> ________________________________________ >>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf >>>>>> of Chris Nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:46 AM >>>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Joshua, >>>>>> >>>>>> Good. That's what I use. Are you using the Microsoft Outlook program or >>>>>> a >>>>>> Web mail interface? >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>>> Behalf >>>>>> Of Joshua Lester >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 12:26 PM >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>>>> >>>>>> It's the latest version. >>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>> ________________________________________ >>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf >>>>>> of >>>>>> Chris Nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:04 AM >>>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Joshua, >>>>>> >>>>>> If you need any help learning how to use Outlook, please let me know. I >>>>>> use >>>>>> Outlook for my email and love it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>>> Behalf >>>>>> Of Chun Chao >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:31 AM >>>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My new student E-mail >>>>>> >>>>>> Joshua: >>>>>> >>>>>> What version of Outlook are you using? (2003, 2007, 2010) Also, have >>>>>> you >>>>>> configured Outlook so that it will synchronize with Gmail when you >>>>>> check >>>>>> your emails? This will make adding recipients much easier. >>>>>> Did you also add your contacts to the Address Book within Outlook? >>>>>> You can add multiple recipients to both the "To" and "CC" fields, just >>>>>> remember to have a semicolon in between. >>>>>> >>>>>> C.C. 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get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From ignasicambra at gmail.com Fri Aug 24 03:12:24 2012 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 23:12:24 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Has Anyone Ever Used Moodle? In-Reply-To: <0391F7F7599D48BFA37AE2EC296BFF04@acerd37f251f21> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20120822132702.01bd91f0@comcast.net> <0391F7F7599D48BFA37AE2EC296BFF04@acerd37f251f21> Message-ID: <1058090715448887212@unknownmsgid> Those pdf files probably contain images that your instructor scanned from a book or anything else. These won't be accessible in any case you would have to use an OCR program on those documents. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 22, 2012, at 6:04 PM, Misty Dawn Bradley wrote: > Hi all, > I just found out that the problem was only with the pdf files. The Microsoft Word and Powerpoint files seem to download just fine, and I am able to submit assignments. I will probably look at my settings to see if I can get the pdf files to just save to my computer rather than just automatically opening in the browser, because I think that may be what is causing the problem. > Thanks, > Misty > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 5:00 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Has Anyone Ever Used Moodle? > > >> I have used Moodle as an instructor. It's accessible with Jaws! >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Aug 22, 2012, at 4:29 PM, Carly Mihalakis wrote: >> >>> Good afternoon, I have found both Turnitin and MOODLE to sights which happen to both be used at my school damned near unaccessable.. So, for this reason, I insist on simply emailing the assignment. Perhaps you wanna try that? Seems, life is way too short trying to make those inaccessable, things work for us.At 12:58 PM 8/22/2012, Misty Dawn Bradley wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> I just started school this year at my local community college, and they are using an online system called Moodel. Moodel is similar to Blackboard, but I think it is from a different company. For the most part, it is accessible, but I cannot get any of the files that the instructors upload to the site, such as the course syllabus and handouts, to work with JAWS, because it seems that it will not let you download it to your computer and that you have to view it on the page. The file does not show up on the page even though the page says it is there. I have tried with both Fire Fox and Internet Explorer with Jaws 10 in Windows XP. >>>> Have any of you ever used Moodel with your school? All of my classes are using it, even though they are face-to-face classes. >>>> Thank you, >>>> Misty >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Aug 24 11:29:06 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 07:29:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Off to School with Learning Ally In-Reply-To: <1110798640811.1101553811939.166919.6.5212506B@scheduler.constantcontact.com> References: <1110798640811.1101553811939.166919.6.5212506B@scheduler.constantcontact.com> Message-ID: <000001cd81eb$acc54700$064fd500$@gmail.com> FYI: From: Learning Ally [mailto:jenny at www-rfbd.ccsend.com] On Behalf Of Learning Ally Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 12:58 PM To: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Subject: Off to School with Learning Ally Having trouble viewing this email? 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Any tips/thoughts would be very much appreciated. i would be very interested in connecting with other blind people who know Japanese. Thanks in advance for any help! Best, Lindsay Lindsay Yazzolino Program Coordinator, Massachusetts Eye and Ear Infirmary Research Assistant, Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lindsay3.14 at gmail.com Follow me on Twitter: @GrammarGlamor From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Fri Aug 24 18:52:10 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 18:52:10 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Japanese In-Reply-To: <66415750-286B-4AC4-A2B7-078770B3C0DD@gmail.com> References: <66415750-286B-4AC4-A2B7-078770B3C0DD@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Lindsay. If you don't mind me asking, why are you wanting to learn Japanese? Thanks, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Lindsay Yazzolino [lindsay3.14 at gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 1:48 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Japanese Hi All, I am curious as to whether there is anyone on this list who has studied Japanese. I am just beginning to learn the language, and am curious as to how others have learned to efficiently produce Hiragana and Konji characters. While I believe I have made some progress in determining how to type Japanese using the language-specific input keyboard for Hiragana characters, I still have a number of questions for those who are more proficient in the language. Also, is anyone here familiar with the Japanese Braille system, and if so, how often do you use it? Any tips/thoughts would be very much appreciated. i would be very interested in connecting with other blind people who know Japanese. Thanks in advance for any help! Best, Lindsay Lindsay Yazzolino Program Coordinator, Massachusetts Eye and Ear Infirmary Research Assistant, Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lindsay3.14 at gmail.com Follow me on Twitter: @GrammarGlamor _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From jty727 at gmail.com Fri Aug 24 18:59:00 2012 From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 14:59:00 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Japanese In-Reply-To: References: <66415750-286B-4AC4-A2B7-078770B3C0DD@gmail.com> Message-ID: Unfortunately, I have never taken Japanese. While in College, I did 2 semesters of German and 1 semester of Spanish. I wish you the best of luck in learning the language of your choice. Justin On 8/24/12, Joshua Lester wrote: > Hi Lindsay. > If you don't mind me asking, why are you wanting to learn Japanese? > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of > Lindsay Yazzolino [lindsay3.14 at gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 1:48 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Japanese > > Hi All, > > I am curious as to whether there is anyone on this list who has studied > Japanese. I am just beginning to learn the language, and am curious as to > how others have learned to efficiently produce Hiragana and Konji > characters. While I believe I have made some progress in determining how to > type Japanese using the language-specific input keyboard for Hiragana > characters, I still have a number of questions for those who are more > proficient in the language. Also, is anyone here familiar with the Japanese > Braille system, and if so, how often do you use it? Any tips/thoughts would > be very much appreciated. i would be very interested in connecting with > other blind people who know Japanese. Thanks in advance for any help! > Best, > Lindsay > > Lindsay Yazzolino > Program Coordinator, > Massachusetts Eye and Ear Infirmary > Research Assistant, Massachusetts Institute of Technology > Lindsay3.14 at gmail.com > Follow me on Twitter: @GrammarGlamor > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Fri Aug 24 19:00:52 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 15:00:52 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Japanese In-Reply-To: References: <66415750-286B-4AC4-A2B7-078770B3C0DD@gmail.com> Message-ID: <87D1A728-E26E-4188-8E48-BC8F57B68FFC@gmail.com> Iapamese freaking rules Sent from my iPad On Aug 24, 2012, at 14:52, Joshua Lester wrote: > Hi Lindsay. > If you don't mind me asking, why are you wanting to learn Japanese? > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Lindsay Yazzolino [lindsay3.14 at gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 1:48 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Japanese > > Hi All, > > I am curious as to whether there is anyone on this list who has studied Japanese. I am just beginning to learn the language, and am curious as to how others have learned to efficiently produce Hiragana and Konji characters. While I believe I have made some progress in determining how to type Japanese using the language-specific input keyboard for Hiragana characters, I still have a number of questions for those who are more proficient in the language. Also, is anyone here familiar with the Japanese Braille system, and if so, how often do you use it? Any tips/thoughts would be very much appreciated. i would be very interested in connecting with other blind people who know Japanese. Thanks in advance for any help! > Best, > Lindsay > > Lindsay Yazzolino > Program Coordinator, > Massachusetts Eye and Ear Infirmary > Research Assistant, Massachusetts Institute of Technology > Lindsay3.14 at gmail.com > Follow me on Twitter: @GrammarGlamor > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Fri Aug 24 19:02:43 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 15:02:43 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Japanese In-Reply-To: References: <66415750-286B-4AC4-A2B7-078770B3C0DD@gmail.com> Message-ID: German rules eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Sent from my iPad On Aug 24, 2012, at 14:59, Justin Young wrote: > Unfortunately, I have never taken Japanese. While in College, I did 2 > semesters of German and 1 semester of Spanish. I wish you the best of > luck in learning the language of your choice. > > Justin > > On 8/24/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >> Hi Lindsay. >> If you don't mind me asking, why are you wanting to learn Japanese? >> Thanks, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >> Lindsay Yazzolino [lindsay3.14 at gmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 1:48 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Japanese >> >> Hi All, >> >> I am curious as to whether there is anyone on this list who has studied >> Japanese. I am just beginning to learn the language, and am curious as to >> how others have learned to efficiently produce Hiragana and Konji >> characters. While I believe I have made some progress in determining how to >> type Japanese using the language-specific input keyboard for Hiragana >> characters, I still have a number of questions for those who are more >> proficient in the language. Also, is anyone here familiar with the Japanese >> Braille system, and if so, how often do you use it? Any tips/thoughts would >> be very much appreciated. i would be very interested in connecting with >> other blind people who know Japanese. Thanks in advance for any help! >> Best, >> Lindsay >> >> Lindsay Yazzolino >> Program Coordinator, >> Massachusetts Eye and Ear Infirmary >> Research Assistant, Massachusetts Institute of Technology >> Lindsay3.14 at gmail.com >> Follow me on Twitter: @GrammarGlamor >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From dandrews at visi.com Fri Aug 24 20:50:42 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 15:50:42 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] textbooks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What good is a "disability service" if they give you inaccessible text. I would threaten to sue my college or university -- hopefully this should bring them around -- or go to student or local newspaper. Unless I am missing something, them not providing you with accessible material is ridiculous and probably illegal. Dave At 05:08 PM 8/19/2012, you wrote: >Hi Cody, > >Unfortunately my disability services does not convert text into an >accessible format but I will try to contact the publisher. > >Thanks, >Tamika Williams From dandrews at visi.com Fri Aug 24 21:00:35 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 16:00:35 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed In-Reply-To: <10227E3E66504413A9B2D705DA645A14@BrandonsLaptop2> References: <8E4FE3A0-6F7F-44A2-96FF-B4194D0D87AC@gmail.com> <91DD717C002B41238239FCCD3F1BF699@OwnerPC> <1AF86CC9-3269-417E-9818-9BCBCFF87970@gmail.com> <10227E3E66504413A9B2D705DA645A14@BrandonsLaptop2> Message-ID: My view may not be popular -- but, it seems to me that as blind persons we need to be able to take notes as does everybody else. Use of a human note taker, while it may seem expedient, isn't going to prepare you for the real world. Unless you have a problem, in addition to blindness, most employers aren't, and shouldn't provide you with a note taker. We need to have the tools to study as everybody else does. I would use the Braille note to take notes in class, and worry about powerpoints etc. later. Dave At 09:10 PM 8/21/2012, you wrote: >Hello, >If this is a state college, if you ask for a note taker, they can't >deny you a note taker. If they say that is against their policy, say >that is BS and you can sue them. >If they are a private college that put you on a 504 plan the case is >the same. They can provide you accommodation if it isn't unreasonable. >Thank you, > >Brandon Keith Biggs >-----Original Message----- From: Ashley Bramlett >Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 6:37 PM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed > >Aleeha, >Well, that is too bad because I think a foregin language class is one where >a notetaker would be very beneficial. >If you feel you miss material in class, you can always go to the professor's >office hours. In my experience, they are generally real willing to help and >repeat or clarify any lecture material. > >Ashley > >-----Original Message----- From: aleeha dudley >Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 8:28 PM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed > >I use a note taker in science classes and am not ashamed to say it. The >university does not provide these services for foreign language classes. >Thanks to everyone for the suggestions. > >Aleeha Dudley >President, Ohio Association of Blind Students >Changing what it means to be blind > >On Aug 21, 2012, at 6:40 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" >wrote: > >>Aleeha, >>Sounds like a handful. I would not be able to read notes on a >>laptop, take notes and listen at the same time even if it was in english! >>What teaching style does she use? I only took foreign language in >>high school; I would not want to try in college due to no braille >>availability. In high school I was accomodated with hard copy >>braille and braille texts which was vital to my success; college >>you have to do auditorily. >> >>What I'd suggest is not reading the class notes in class. Do you >>need to read them for a worksheet or group activity? If so, could >>someone else read them with you? Sometimes my professors have a >>study guide but I follow auditorily since I ask the professor to >>speak out the questions before going over them. If in a group of >>students, I try and get them to read the handout to me so I can participate. >>Instead of in class, get any handouts ahead of time and read them. >>If you feel you need them in class, is it possible to put the >>handout file on your braille note and switch files from your notes >>and class notes? >> >>Another idea which might be quicker for accessing notes is to >>emboss the class notes. Do you have an embosser of yours or the schools? >>I find that i can skim a hard copy document faster than a braille >>display file. >>Also recording class might help. Another idea, which many would >>disagree with, is have a notetaker. Your school should provide a >>notetaker upon request for you. Languages classes go fast and I >>think it would be hard to take notes as fast as they go especially >>when other students can copy notes from the board or slide at their >>pace and you have to do it >>right as the teacher talks. >> >>HTH, >>Ashley >>-----Original Message----- From: aleeha dudley >>Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 10:08 AM >>To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>Subject: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed >> >>I was wondering if any of you have taken 300 level foreign language >>classes and if so, how did you keep track of all that is happening >>in the class? I am finding it difficult to read the class notes on >>my laptop, take my own notes on my Braillenote apex, and also try >>to comprehend what the instructor is saying since it is all in >>Spanish. Let me know what you think. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. >>Thanks, >> >> >> >> >> >>Aleeha Dudley >>President, Ohio Association of Blind Students >>Changing what it means to be blind From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Fri Aug 24 21:02:38 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 17:02:38 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] textbooks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No kidding Sent from my iPad On Aug 24, 2012, at 16:50, David Andrews wrote: > What good is a "disability service" if they give you inaccessible text. I would threaten to sue my college or university -- hopefully this should bring them around -- or go to student or local newspaper. > > Unless I am missing something, them not providing you with accessible material is ridiculous and probably illegal. > > Dave > > At 05:08 PM 8/19/2012, you wrote: >> Hi Cody, >> >> Unfortunately my disability services does not convert text into an >> accessible format but I will try to contact the publisher. >> >> Thanks, >> Tamika Williams > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From dandrews at visi.com Fri Aug 24 21:04:54 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 16:04:54 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Brochure help, In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You might be able to find a template, into which you edit text etc. You could talk to your professor to find out what is the exact purpose of the assignment. This might change how you would do it. If it is literally to design a brochure then you will have to deal with formatting etc. If it is to develop content, then formatting might not matter. You could also work with a Human Reader instructing them in what to do. Dave At 09:44 AM 8/22/2012, you wrote: >It's purpose is to teach us how to create them for when we get into >the classroom. > >On 8/21/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > > Ashley, > > I'm Ashley too and I attend a community college part time getting a > > certificate while looking for work; I have a BA in liberal studies; I'll > > get > > a certificate and extra relevant classes for my resume here at nova. > > > > About the brochure, jaws doesn't always describe colors and layout well. > > However, if you just need a simple brochure, creating one will not require > > much extra eyes. What is its purpose? > > > > Do you have any vision? If so this will aid you in creating it. If not, do > > the best with jaws and have a sighted person assist you in the layout. > > Also, your professor should give you tips on things like font type and > > size. > > > > I've not created a brochure, but have created flyers for a club and > > readers. > > So, that said, here is what I might do for a brochure. > > > > I have a little central vision so this may help me pick a font. I'd select > > a > > font with curly edges of letters. > > such as Georgia. Another idea would be pick one with dark block letter > > lines > > such as Impact or > > Showcard gothic. > > You should type your information in smaller font, maybe size 12 or 14. If > > its a list of important things like dates, you might want to make a > > bulleted list. > > Note that Word had several types of bullets, but I think the more common > > ones are a square bullet or the circle filled bullet; that is > what I've seen > > > > often. But you can always check with someone sighted to find out. > > > > Then you might want to add some pictures by either using clip art or > > cutting > > and pasting in existing pictures from other sources. > > Clip art is in the insert tab. > > > > Finally, Microsoft word lets you add page borders and a background color, > > but I suggest printing on colored paper, its easier. > > To do either one, go to the page layout tab. If you wish to add a border, > > go > > to page borders in that tab. If you tab to the combo box that says > > art, you can pick any number of picture borders that will be displayed > > around the page; quite pretty but not sure it would help for this type of > > brochure. All pictures are spoken so you know what you're choosing; pick > > one > > and press enter, otherwise its not selected. > > Art graphics include apples, cookies, cake, hearts, and even Christmas > > trees. > > > > You can also write text into a box; I suggest picking the first box so it > > does not look like a template then. To do this go to the insert tab and tab > > > > to text box; open that display of choices and press enter on the first > > choice wich is the simple text box with no additional formatting. > > It is in the center of your page, but to move it, press the standard > > commands of control L for left or control R for right. > > You can also create tables in word; that is accessible too. That might be > > good for some brochures. > > > > If we have more info on the expectations for it and who the audience is, we > > > > might have more ideas. You can make it look funny or serious, depending on > > the audience. > > hth, > > Ashley > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ashley Coleman > > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 10:19 PM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: [nabs-l] Brochure help, > > > > Hi all, > > My name is Ashley and I am attending UNCP for a degree in Special > > Education Teaching. > > > > I am wondering if any of you have had to create a tri-fold brochure for a > > class, if you did how did you accomplish it. I am using Microsoft Word > > 2010 and Jaws 12. > > > > Thanks, Ashley, From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Fri Aug 24 21:10:23 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 17:10:23 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed In-Reply-To: References: <8E4FE3A0-6F7F-44A2-96FF-B4194D0D87AC@gmail.com> <91DD717C002B41238239FCCD3F1BF699@OwnerPC> <1AF86CC9-3269-417E-9818-9BCBCFF87970@gmail.com> <10227E3E66504413A9B2D705DA645A14@BrandonsLaptop2> Message-ID: <27C5995B-4D7D-4B77-9CE6-DA1456449D66@gmail.com> They have note takers for school and assistances for work. I have 1 Sent from my iPad On Aug 24, 2012, at 17:00, David Andrews wrote: > My view may not be popular -- but, it seems to me that as blind persons we need to be able to take notes as does everybody else. Use of a human note taker, while it may seem expedient, isn't going to prepare you for the real world. Unless you have a problem, in addition to blindness, most employers aren't, and shouldn't provide you with a note taker. We need to have the tools to study as everybody else does. > > I would use the Braille note to take notes in class, and worry about powerpoints etc. later. > > Dave > > At 09:10 PM 8/21/2012, you wrote: >> Hello, >> If this is a state college, if you ask for a note taker, they can't deny you a note taker. If they say that is against their policy, say that is BS and you can sue them. >> If they are a private college that put you on a 504 plan the case is the same. They can provide you accommodation if it isn't unreasonable. >> Thank you, >> >> Brandon Keith Biggs >> -----Original Message----- From: Ashley Bramlett >> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 6:37 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed >> >> Aleeha, >> Well, that is too bad because I think a foregin language class is one where >> a notetaker would be very beneficial. >> If you feel you miss material in class, you can always go to the professor's >> office hours. In my experience, they are generally real willing to help and >> repeat or clarify any lecture material. >> >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- From: aleeha dudley >> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 8:28 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed >> >> I use a note taker in science classes and am not ashamed to say it. The >> university does not provide these services for foreign language classes. >> Thanks to everyone for the suggestions. >> >> Aleeha Dudley >> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students >> Changing what it means to be blind >> >> On Aug 21, 2012, at 6:40 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" >> wrote: >> >>> Aleeha, >>> Sounds like a handful. I would not be able to read notes on a laptop, take notes and listen at the same time even if it was in english! >>> What teaching style does she use? I only took foreign language in high school; I would not want to try in college due to no braille availability. In high school I was accomodated with hard copy braille and braille texts which was vital to my success; college you have to do auditorily. >>> >>> What I'd suggest is not reading the class notes in class. Do you need to read them for a worksheet or group activity? If so, could someone else read them with you? Sometimes my professors have a study guide but I follow auditorily since I ask the professor to speak out the questions before going over them. If in a group of students, I try and get them to read the handout to me so I can participate. >>> Instead of in class, get any handouts ahead of time and read them. If you feel you need them in class, is it possible to put the handout file on your braille note and switch files from your notes and class notes? >>> >>> Another idea which might be quicker for accessing notes is to emboss the class notes. Do you have an embosser of yours or the schools? >>> I find that i can skim a hard copy document faster than a braille display file. >>> Also recording class might help. Another idea, which many would disagree with, is have a notetaker. Your school should provide a notetaker upon request for you. Languages classes go fast and I think it would be hard to take notes as fast as they go especially when other students can copy notes from the board or slide at their pace and you have to do it >>> right as the teacher talks. >>> >>> HTH, >>> Ashley >>> -----Original Message----- From: aleeha dudley >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 10:08 AM >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed >>> >>> I was wondering if any of you have taken 300 level foreign language classes and if so, how did you keep track of all that is happening in the class? I am finding it difficult to read the class notes on my laptop, take my own notes on my Braillenote apex, and also try to comprehend what the instructor is saying since it is all in Spanish. Let me know what you think. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. >>> Thanks, >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Aleeha Dudley >>> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students >>> Changing what it means to be blind > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Fri Aug 24 21:11:45 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 17:11:45 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Brochure help, In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <761339C8-14B4-4D95-956D-F1F76EE9C786@gmail.com> I agree Sent from my iPad On Aug 24, 2012, at 17:04, David Andrews wrote: > You might be able to find a template, into which you edit text etc. > > You could talk to your professor to find out what is the exact purpose of the assignment. This might change how you would do it. If it is literally to design a brochure then you will have to deal with formatting etc. If it is to develop content, then formatting might not matter. You could also work with a Human Reader instructing them in what to do. > > Dave > > At 09:44 AM 8/22/2012, you wrote: >> It's purpose is to teach us how to create them for when we get into >> the classroom. >> >> On 8/21/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> > Ashley, >> > I'm Ashley too and I attend a community college part time getting a >> > certificate while looking for work; I have a BA in liberal studies; I'll >> > get >> > a certificate and extra relevant classes for my resume here at nova. >> > >> > About the brochure, jaws doesn't always describe colors and layout well. >> > However, if you just need a simple brochure, creating one will not require >> > much extra eyes. What is its purpose? >> > >> > Do you have any vision? If so this will aid you in creating it. If not, do >> > the best with jaws and have a sighted person assist you in the layout. >> > Also, your professor should give you tips on things like font type and >> > size. >> > >> > I've not created a brochure, but have created flyers for a club and >> > readers. >> > So, that said, here is what I might do for a brochure. >> > >> > I have a little central vision so this may help me pick a font. I'd select >> > a >> > font with curly edges of letters. >> > such as Georgia. Another idea would be pick one with dark block letter >> > lines >> > such as Impact or >> > Showcard gothic. >> > You should type your information in smaller font, maybe size 12 or 14. If >> > its a list of important things like dates, you might want to make a >> > bulleted list. >> > Note that Word had several types of bullets, but I think the more common >> > ones are a square bullet or the circle filled bullet; that is what I've seen >> > >> > often. But you can always check with someone sighted to find out. >> > >> > Then you might want to add some pictures by either using clip art or >> > cutting >> > and pasting in existing pictures from other sources. >> > Clip art is in the insert tab. >> > >> > Finally, Microsoft word lets you add page borders and a background color, >> > but I suggest printing on colored paper, its easier. >> > To do either one, go to the page layout tab. If you wish to add a border, >> > go >> > to page borders in that tab. If you tab to the combo box that says >> > art, you can pick any number of picture borders that will be displayed >> > around the page; quite pretty but not sure it would help for this type of >> > brochure. All pictures are spoken so you know what you're choosing; pick >> > one >> > and press enter, otherwise its not selected. >> > Art graphics include apples, cookies, cake, hearts, and even Christmas >> > trees. >> > >> > You can also write text into a box; I suggest picking the first box so it >> > does not look like a template then. To do this go to the insert tab and tab >> > >> > to text box; open that display of choices and press enter on the first >> > choice wich is the simple text box with no additional formatting. >> > It is in the center of your page, but to move it, press the standard >> > commands of control L for left or control R for right. >> > You can also create tables in word; that is accessible too. That might be >> > good for some brochures. >> > >> > If we have more info on the expectations for it and who the audience is, we >> > >> > might have more ideas. You can make it look funny or serious, depending on >> > the audience. >> > hth, >> > Ashley >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Ashley Coleman >> > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 10:19 PM >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Subject: [nabs-l] Brochure help, >> > >> > Hi all, >> > My name is Ashley and I am attending UNCP for a degree in Special >> > Education Teaching. >> > >> > I am wondering if any of you have had to create a tri-fold brochure for a >> > class, if you did how did you accomplish it. I am using Microsoft Word >> > 2010 and Jaws 12. >> > >> > Thanks, Ashley, > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From dandrews at visi.com Fri Aug 24 21:14:20 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 16:14:20 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Japanese In-Reply-To: References: <66415750-286B-4AC4-A2B7-078770B3C0DD@gmail.com> Message-ID: What difference does it make to you. Why can't people just answer the question that was asked -- or if they don't have an answer then don't respond. Dave At 01:52 PM 8/24/2012, you wrote: >Hi Lindsay. >If you don't mind me asking, why are you wanting to learn Japanese? >Thanks, Joshua >________________________________________ >From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on >behalf of Lindsay Yazzolino [lindsay3.14 at gmail.com] >Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 1:48 PM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Japanese > >Hi All, > >I am curious as to whether there is anyone on this list who has >studied Japanese. I am just beginning to learn the language, and am >curious as to how others have learned to efficiently produce >Hiragana and Konji characters. While I believe I have made some >progress in determining how to type Japanese using the >language-specific input keyboard for Hiragana characters, I still >have a number of questions for those who are more proficient in the >language. Also, is anyone here familiar with the Japanese Braille >system, and if so, how often do you use it? Any tips/thoughts >would be very much appreciated. i would be very interested in >connecting with other blind people who know Japanese. Thanks in >advance for any help! >Best, >Lindsay From dsykora29 at gmail.com Fri Aug 24 21:27:23 2012 From: dsykora29 at gmail.com (Danielle Sykora) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 17:27:23 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed In-Reply-To: <27C5995B-4D7D-4B77-9CE6-DA1456449D66@gmail.com> References: <8E4FE3A0-6F7F-44A2-96FF-B4194D0D87AC@gmail.com> <91DD717C002B41238239FCCD3F1BF699@OwnerPC> <1AF86CC9-3269-417E-9818-9BCBCFF87970@gmail.com> <10227E3E66504413A9B2D705DA645A14@BrandonsLaptop2> <27C5995B-4D7D-4B77-9CE6-DA1456449D66@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi everyone, Yes, I agree that we should be able to take our own notes. The ability to take notes is a very important skill. It doesn't seem practical to always expect to have someone else take notes for you. Just my opinion, Danielle On 8/24/12, Lavonya Gardner wrote: > They have note takers for school and assistances for work. I have 1 > > Sent from my iPad > > On Aug 24, 2012, at 17:00, David Andrews wrote: > >> My view may not be popular -- but, it seems to me that as blind persons we >> need to be able to take notes as does everybody else. Use of a human note >> taker, while it may seem expedient, isn't going to prepare you for the >> real world. Unless you have a problem, in addition to blindness, most >> employers aren't, and shouldn't provide you with a note taker. We need to >> have the tools to study as everybody else does. >> >> I would use the Braille note to take notes in class, and worry about >> powerpoints etc. later. >> >> Dave >> >> At 09:10 PM 8/21/2012, you wrote: >>> Hello, >>> If this is a state college, if you ask for a note taker, they can't deny >>> you a note taker. If they say that is against their policy, say that is >>> BS and you can sue them. >>> If they are a private college that put you on a 504 plan the case is the >>> same. They can provide you accommodation if it isn't unreasonable. >>> Thank you, >>> >>> Brandon Keith Biggs >>> -----Original Message----- From: Ashley Bramlett >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 6:37 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed >>> >>> Aleeha, >>> Well, that is too bad because I think a foregin language class is one >>> where >>> a notetaker would be very beneficial. >>> If you feel you miss material in class, you can always go to the >>> professor's >>> office hours. In my experience, they are generally real willing to help >>> and >>> repeat or clarify any lecture material. >>> >>> Ashley >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: aleeha dudley >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 8:28 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed >>> >>> I use a note taker in science classes and am not ashamed to say it. The >>> university does not provide these services for foreign language classes. >>> Thanks to everyone for the suggestions. >>> >>> Aleeha Dudley >>> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students >>> Changing what it means to be blind >>> >>> On Aug 21, 2012, at 6:40 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Aleeha, >>>> Sounds like a handful. I would not be able to read notes on a laptop, >>>> take notes and listen at the same time even if it was in english! >>>> What teaching style does she use? I only took foreign language in high >>>> school; I would not want to try in college due to no braille >>>> availability. In high school I was accomodated with hard copy braille >>>> and braille texts which was vital to my success; college you have to do >>>> auditorily. >>>> >>>> What I'd suggest is not reading the class notes in class. Do you need to >>>> read them for a worksheet or group activity? If so, could someone else >>>> read them with you? Sometimes my professors have a study guide but I >>>> follow auditorily since I ask the professor to speak out the questions >>>> before going over them. If in a group of students, I try and get them to >>>> read the handout to me so I can participate. >>>> Instead of in class, get any handouts ahead of time and read them. If >>>> you feel you need them in class, is it possible to put the handout file >>>> on your braille note and switch files from your notes and class notes? >>>> >>>> Another idea which might be quicker for accessing notes is to emboss the >>>> class notes. Do you have an embosser of yours or the schools? >>>> I find that i can skim a hard copy document faster than a braille >>>> display file. >>>> Also recording class might help. Another idea, which many would disagree >>>> with, is have a notetaker. Your school should provide a notetaker upon >>>> request for you. Languages classes go fast and I think it would be hard >>>> to take notes as fast as they go especially when other students can copy >>>> notes from the board or slide at their pace and you have to do it >>>> right as the teacher talks. >>>> >>>> HTH, >>>> Ashley >>>> -----Original Message----- From: aleeha dudley >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 10:08 AM >>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed >>>> >>>> I was wondering if any of you have taken 300 level foreign language >>>> classes and if so, how did you keep track of all that is happening in >>>> the class? I am finding it difficult to read the class notes on my >>>> laptop, take my own notes on my Braillenote apex, and also try to >>>> comprehend what the instructor is saying since it is all in Spanish. Let >>>> me know what you think. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Aleeha Dudley >>>> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students >>>> Changing what it means to be blind >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40gmail.com > From dandrews at visi.com Fri Aug 24 21:31:34 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 16:31:34 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed In-Reply-To: <27C5995B-4D7D-4B77-9CE6-DA1456449D66@gmail.com> References: <8E4FE3A0-6F7F-44A2-96FF-B4194D0D87AC@gmail.com> <91DD717C002B41238239FCCD3F1BF699@OwnerPC> <1AF86CC9-3269-417E-9818-9BCBCFF87970@gmail.com> <10227E3E66504413A9B2D705DA645A14@BrandonsLaptop2> <27C5995B-4D7D-4B77-9CE6-DA1456449D66@gmail.com> Message-ID: There is a place for note takers -- people who can't physically do it -- but for most of us, that level of hand holding isn't available in the real world. and ... if you are capable of taking notes then it shouldn't be available. Reasonable accommodations are that "reasonable." There is a price for everything we ask for, so you only want to ask for those things where there is no good alternative. Dave At 04:10 PM 8/24/2012, you wrote: >They have note takers for school and assistances for work. I have 1 > >Sent from my iPad > >On Aug 24, 2012, at 17:00, David Andrews wrote: > > > My view may not be popular -- but, it seems to me that as blind > persons we need to be able to take notes as does everybody > else. Use of a human note taker, while it may seem expedient, > isn't going to prepare you for the real world. Unless you have a > problem, in addition to blindness, most employers aren't, and > shouldn't provide you with a note taker. We need to have the tools > to study as everybody else does. > > > > I would use the Braille note to take notes in class, and worry > about powerpoints etc. later. > > > > Dave > > > > At 09:10 PM 8/21/2012, you wrote: > >> Hello, > >> If this is a state college, if you ask for a note taker, they > can't deny you a note taker. If they say that is against their > policy, say that is BS and you can sue them. > >> If they are a private college that put you on a 504 plan the > case is the same. They can provide you accommodation if it isn't unreasonable. > >> Thank you, > >> > >> Brandon Keith Biggs > >> -----Original Message----- From: Ashley Bramlett > >> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 6:37 PM > >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed > >> > >> Aleeha, > >> Well, that is too bad because I think a foregin language class > is one where > >> a notetaker would be very beneficial. > >> If you feel you miss material in class, you can always go to the > professor's > >> office hours. In my experience, they are generally real willing > to help and > >> repeat or clarify any lecture material. > >> > >> Ashley > >> > >> -----Original Message----- From: aleeha dudley > >> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 8:28 PM > >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed > >> > >> I use a note taker in science classes and am not ashamed to say it. The > >> university does not provide these services for foreign language classes. > >> Thanks to everyone for the suggestions. > >> > >> Aleeha Dudley > >> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students > >> Changing what it means to be blind > >> > >> On Aug 21, 2012, at 6:40 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Aleeha, > >>> Sounds like a handful. I would not be able to read notes on a > laptop, take notes and listen at the same time even if it was in english! > >>> What teaching style does she use? I only took foreign language > in high school; I would not want to try in college due to no > braille availability. In high school I was accomodated with hard > copy braille and braille texts which was vital to my success; > college you have to do auditorily. > >>> > >>> What I'd suggest is not reading the class notes in class. Do > you need to read them for a worksheet or group activity? If so, > could someone else read them with you? Sometimes my professors have > a study guide but I follow auditorily since I ask the professor to > speak out the questions before going over them. If in a group of > students, I try and get them to read the handout to me so I can participate. > >>> Instead of in class, get any handouts ahead of time and read > them. If you feel you need them in class, is it possible to put the > handout file on your braille note and switch files from your notes > and class notes? > >>> > >>> Another idea which might be quicker for accessing notes is to > emboss the class notes. Do you have an embosser of yours or the schools? > >>> I find that i can skim a hard copy document faster than a > braille display file. > >>> Also recording class might help. Another idea, which many would > disagree with, is have a notetaker. Your school should provide a > notetaker upon request for you. Languages classes go fast and I > think it would be hard to take notes as fast as they go especially > when other students can copy notes from the board or slide at their > pace and you have to do it > >>> right as the teacher talks. > >>> > >>> HTH, > >>> Ashley > >>> -----Original Message----- From: aleeha dudley > >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 10:08 AM > >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed > >>> > >>> I was wondering if any of you have taken 300 level foreign > language classes and if so, how did you keep track of all that is > happening in the class? I am finding it difficult to read the class > notes on my laptop, take my own notes on my Braillenote apex, and > also try to comprehend what the instructor is saying since it is > all in Spanish. Let me know what you think. Any ideas would be > greatly appreciated. > >>> Thanks, > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Aleeha Dudley > >>> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students > >>> Changing what it means to be blind > > From arielle71 at gmail.com Fri Aug 24 21:51:17 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 15:51:17 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed In-Reply-To: References: <8E4FE3A0-6F7F-44A2-96FF-B4194D0D87AC@gmail.com> <91DD717C002B41238239FCCD3F1BF699@OwnerPC> <1AF86CC9-3269-417E-9818-9BCBCFF87970@gmail.com> <10227E3E66504413A9B2D705DA645A14@BrandonsLaptop2> <27C5995B-4D7D-4B77-9CE6-DA1456449D66@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi all, I agree with Dave. In addition to the "employers won't provide a notetaker" argument, I would also suggest that the act of taking notes is a huge learning aid. Taking notes requires actively listening to the material and writing it down in your own words, which will make things much easier to remember when you go to study and on tests, assignments etc. If you let someone else engage with the material to take notes, you miss out on this learning opportunity and will probably require more studying later than if you took your own notes. Besides, do you really want to entrust your personal study materials to somebody else? What if your assigned notetaker zones out and misses something that's really important or that you need to study a little extra? Unfortunately I think that students are often not taught good notetaking skills. In my opinion good notetaking is not about writing down absolutely everything that's spoken or displayed on the board. If it were, then blind students would be at a serious disadvantage, and all students would struggle and actually learn little. But good notetaking is about writing down either the most important points or the points that you didn't know before, so you will have some extra help studying these points later. As I've said before, in my experience, the most important points are the ones the professor verbalizes. Having a sighted person copy down what's on the board for you is only marginally helpful, and this benefit is canceled out by losing the memory reinforcement from writing things down. So go in to class, write down the major points, definitions of terms, and anything your professor says that's surprising or entertaining (jokes will help you remember things too) and don't worry about the rest. The more you can write down definitions in your own words rather than just robotically copying down the class notes, the better off you will be on the exam when the professor will ask you to define a term in your own words. I think blind students with good notetaking skills often have an advantage over sighted students who use PowerPoint as a crutch instead of really processing the information and putting it in terms that make sense to them. That said, while I discourage notetakers, I do encourage sharing notes with classmates or discussing them in study groups. A classmate can clarify visual things you might have missed, but you can also help them by filling in gaps in their notes or giving them notes if they miss class. Discussing concepts with other students is a good way to clarify and reinforce comprehension. And, if all else fails, please make use of your professor's office hours. At least at my university, professors are required to block out two hours a week to be in their offices waiting for students to come by and ask questions, and students rarely do. Most university professors also have doctoral degrees in the subject they teach, meaning they have spent at least five years of their lives doing in-depth study or research on that subject. The majority of professors love their subject and are happy when students want to talk with them about it. Plus, you never know if a relationship with a professor might turn into a job or other opportunity. When I was a teaching assistant one semester, only one student came to my office hours the entire semester. A year later when my advisor and I were looking to hire a research assistant, her name was mentioned to me and I was willing to hire her without knowing her well,in part because I remembered that she was a good student who came to my office hours. Arielle On 8/24/12, Danielle Sykora wrote: > Hi everyone, > Yes, I agree that we should be able to take our own notes. The ability > to take notes is a very important skill. It doesn't seem practical to > always expect to have someone else take notes for you. > Just my opinion, > Danielle > > On 8/24/12, Lavonya Gardner wrote: >> They have note takers for school and assistances for work. I have 1 >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Aug 24, 2012, at 17:00, David Andrews wrote: >> >>> My view may not be popular -- but, it seems to me that as blind persons >>> we >>> need to be able to take notes as does everybody else. Use of a human >>> note >>> taker, while it may seem expedient, isn't going to prepare you for the >>> real world. Unless you have a problem, in addition to blindness, most >>> employers aren't, and shouldn't provide you with a note taker. We need >>> to >>> have the tools to study as everybody else does. >>> >>> I would use the Braille note to take notes in class, and worry about >>> powerpoints etc. later. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> At 09:10 PM 8/21/2012, you wrote: >>>> Hello, >>>> If this is a state college, if you ask for a note taker, they can't >>>> deny >>>> you a note taker. If they say that is against their policy, say that is >>>> BS and you can sue them. >>>> If they are a private college that put you on a 504 plan the case is >>>> the >>>> same. They can provide you accommodation if it isn't unreasonable. >>>> Thank you, >>>> >>>> Brandon Keith Biggs >>>> -----Original Message----- From: Ashley Bramlett >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 6:37 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed >>>> >>>> Aleeha, >>>> Well, that is too bad because I think a foregin language class is one >>>> where >>>> a notetaker would be very beneficial. >>>> If you feel you miss material in class, you can always go to the >>>> professor's >>>> office hours. In my experience, they are generally real willing to help >>>> and >>>> repeat or clarify any lecture material. >>>> >>>> Ashley >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- From: aleeha dudley >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 8:28 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed >>>> >>>> I use a note taker in science classes and am not ashamed to say it. The >>>> university does not provide these services for foreign language >>>> classes. >>>> Thanks to everyone for the suggestions. >>>> >>>> Aleeha Dudley >>>> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students >>>> Changing what it means to be blind >>>> >>>> On Aug 21, 2012, at 6:40 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Aleeha, >>>>> Sounds like a handful. I would not be able to read notes on a laptop, >>>>> take notes and listen at the same time even if it was in english! >>>>> What teaching style does she use? I only took foreign language in high >>>>> school; I would not want to try in college due to no braille >>>>> availability. In high school I was accomodated with hard copy braille >>>>> and braille texts which was vital to my success; college you have to >>>>> do >>>>> auditorily. >>>>> >>>>> What I'd suggest is not reading the class notes in class. Do you need >>>>> to >>>>> read them for a worksheet or group activity? If so, could someone else >>>>> read them with you? Sometimes my professors have a study guide but I >>>>> follow auditorily since I ask the professor to speak out the questions >>>>> before going over them. If in a group of students, I try and get them >>>>> to >>>>> read the handout to me so I can participate. >>>>> Instead of in class, get any handouts ahead of time and read them. If >>>>> you feel you need them in class, is it possible to put the handout >>>>> file >>>>> on your braille note and switch files from your notes and class notes? >>>>> >>>>> Another idea which might be quicker for accessing notes is to emboss >>>>> the >>>>> class notes. Do you have an embosser of yours or the schools? >>>>> I find that i can skim a hard copy document faster than a braille >>>>> display file. >>>>> Also recording class might help. Another idea, which many would >>>>> disagree >>>>> with, is have a notetaker. Your school should provide a notetaker upon >>>>> request for you. Languages classes go fast and I think it would be >>>>> hard >>>>> to take notes as fast as they go especially when other students can >>>>> copy >>>>> notes from the board or slide at their pace and you have to do it >>>>> right as the teacher talks. >>>>> >>>>> HTH, >>>>> Ashley >>>>> -----Original Message----- From: aleeha dudley >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 10:08 AM >>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed >>>>> >>>>> I was wondering if any of you have taken 300 level foreign language >>>>> classes and if so, how did you keep track of all that is happening in >>>>> the class? I am finding it difficult to read the class notes on my >>>>> laptop, take my own notes on my Braillenote apex, and also try to >>>>> comprehend what the instructor is saying since it is all in Spanish. >>>>> Let >>>>> me know what you think. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Aleeha Dudley >>>>> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students >>>>> Changing what it means to be blind >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Fri Aug 24 21:54:44 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 17:54:44 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed In-Reply-To: References: <8E4FE3A0-6F7F-44A2-96FF-B4194D0D87AC@gmail.com> <91DD717C002B41238239FCCD3F1BF699@OwnerPC> <1AF86CC9-3269-417E-9818-9BCBCFF87970@gmail.com> <10227E3E66504413A9B2D705DA645A14@BrandonsLaptop2> <27C5995B-4D7D-4B77-9CE6-DA1456449D66@gmail.com> Message-ID: I just use my laptop iPad or my one on one Sent from my iPad On Aug 24, 2012, at 17:27, Danielle Sykora wrote: > Hi everyone, > Yes, I agree that we should be able to take our own notes. The ability > to take notes is a very important skill. It doesn't seem practical to > always expect to have someone else take notes for you. > Just my opinion, > Danielle > > On 8/24/12, Lavonya Gardner wrote: >> They have note takers for school and assistances for work. I have 1 >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Aug 24, 2012, at 17:00, David Andrews wrote: >> >>> My view may not be popular -- but, it seems to me that as blind persons we >>> need to be able to take notes as does everybody else. Use of a human note >>> taker, while it may seem expedient, isn't going to prepare you for the >>> real world. Unless you have a problem, in addition to blindness, most >>> employers aren't, and shouldn't provide you with a note taker. We need to >>> have the tools to study as everybody else does. >>> >>> I would use the Braille note to take notes in class, and worry about >>> powerpoints etc. later. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> At 09:10 PM 8/21/2012, you wrote: >>>> Hello, >>>> If this is a state college, if you ask for a note taker, they can't deny >>>> you a note taker. If they say that is against their policy, say that is >>>> BS and you can sue them. >>>> If they are a private college that put you on a 504 plan the case is the >>>> same. They can provide you accommodation if it isn't unreasonable. >>>> Thank you, >>>> >>>> Brandon Keith Biggs >>>> -----Original Message----- From: Ashley Bramlett >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 6:37 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed >>>> >>>> Aleeha, >>>> Well, that is too bad because I think a foregin language class is one >>>> where >>>> a notetaker would be very beneficial. >>>> If you feel you miss material in class, you can always go to the >>>> professor's >>>> office hours. In my experience, they are generally real willing to help >>>> and >>>> repeat or clarify any lecture material. >>>> >>>> Ashley >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- From: aleeha dudley >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 8:28 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed >>>> >>>> I use a note taker in science classes and am not ashamed to say it. The >>>> university does not provide these services for foreign language classes. >>>> Thanks to everyone for the suggestions. >>>> >>>> Aleeha Dudley >>>> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students >>>> Changing what it means to be blind >>>> >>>> On Aug 21, 2012, at 6:40 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Aleeha, >>>>> Sounds like a handful. I would not be able to read notes on a laptop, >>>>> take notes and listen at the same time even if it was in english! >>>>> What teaching style does she use? I only took foreign language in high >>>>> school; I would not want to try in college due to no braille >>>>> availability. In high school I was accomodated with hard copy braille >>>>> and braille texts which was vital to my success; college you have to do >>>>> auditorily. >>>>> >>>>> What I'd suggest is not reading the class notes in class. Do you need to >>>>> read them for a worksheet or group activity? If so, could someone else >>>>> read them with you? Sometimes my professors have a study guide but I >>>>> follow auditorily since I ask the professor to speak out the questions >>>>> before going over them. If in a group of students, I try and get them to >>>>> read the handout to me so I can participate. >>>>> Instead of in class, get any handouts ahead of time and read them. If >>>>> you feel you need them in class, is it possible to put the handout file >>>>> on your braille note and switch files from your notes and class notes? >>>>> >>>>> Another idea which might be quicker for accessing notes is to emboss the >>>>> class notes. Do you have an embosser of yours or the schools? >>>>> I find that i can skim a hard copy document faster than a braille >>>>> display file. >>>>> Also recording class might help. Another idea, which many would disagree >>>>> with, is have a notetaker. Your school should provide a notetaker upon >>>>> request for you. Languages classes go fast and I think it would be hard >>>>> to take notes as fast as they go especially when other students can copy >>>>> notes from the board or slide at their pace and you have to do it >>>>> right as the teacher talks. >>>>> >>>>> HTH, >>>>> Ashley >>>>> -----Original Message----- From: aleeha dudley >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 10:08 AM >>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed >>>>> >>>>> I was wondering if any of you have taken 300 level foreign language >>>>> classes and if so, how did you keep track of all that is happening in >>>>> the class? I am finding it difficult to read the class notes on my >>>>> laptop, take my own notes on my Braillenote apex, and also try to >>>>> comprehend what the instructor is saying since it is all in Spanish. Let >>>>> me know what you think. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Aleeha Dudley >>>>> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students >>>>> Changing what it means to be blind >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com Fri Aug 24 22:14:11 2012 From: brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com (Brandon Keith Biggs) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 15:14:11 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed In-Reply-To: References: <8E4FE3A0-6F7F-44A2-96FF-B4194D0D87AC@gmail.com><91DD717C002B41238239FCCD3F1BF699@OwnerPC><1AF86CC9-3269-417E-9818-9BCBCFF87970@gmail.com><10227E3E66504413A9B2D705DA645A14@BrandonsLaptop2><27C5995B-4D7D-4B77-9CE6-DA1456449D66@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9FB7176742EE4B508C119CE0FD3EDBD2@BrandonsLaptop2> Hello, The question for the original topic was how to do top level language classes in Braille with all the switches between notes and worksheets and whatnot. A note taker is a good idea for such a high level class if you are feeling like it is overwhelming. After all, you have already passed the multitude of other classes to get to this point without a note taker. Just having an note taker for these extremely advanced classes is probably OK. When the class is speeding ahead in another language, and you have two languages flowing through your ears as well as the computer language that you need to change from one paper to another, having that backup would be nice. Of course a note taker is just a tool, it isn't an end. If anyone keeps that in mind I believe they will be fine. I have never taken such a high level class, but a note taker could also be a study partner. Thank you, Brandon Keith Biggs -----Original Message----- From: Lavonya Gardner Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 2:54 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed I just use my laptop iPad or my one on one Sent from my iPad On Aug 24, 2012, at 17:27, Danielle Sykora wrote: > Hi everyone, > Yes, I agree that we should be able to take our own notes. The ability > to take notes is a very important skill. It doesn't seem practical to > always expect to have someone else take notes for you. > Just my opinion, > Danielle > > On 8/24/12, Lavonya Gardner wrote: >> They have note takers for school and assistances for work. I have 1 >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Aug 24, 2012, at 17:00, David Andrews wrote: >> >>> My view may not be popular -- but, it seems to me that as blind persons >>> we >>> need to be able to take notes as does everybody else. Use of a human >>> note >>> taker, while it may seem expedient, isn't going to prepare you for the >>> real world. Unless you have a problem, in addition to blindness, most >>> employers aren't, and shouldn't provide you with a note taker. We need >>> to >>> have the tools to study as everybody else does. >>> >>> I would use the Braille note to take notes in class, and worry about >>> powerpoints etc. later. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> At 09:10 PM 8/21/2012, you wrote: >>>> Hello, >>>> If this is a state college, if you ask for a note taker, they can't >>>> deny >>>> you a note taker. If they say that is against their policy, say that is >>>> BS and you can sue them. >>>> If they are a private college that put you on a 504 plan the case is >>>> the >>>> same. They can provide you accommodation if it isn't unreasonable. >>>> Thank you, >>>> >>>> Brandon Keith Biggs >>>> -----Original Message----- From: Ashley Bramlett >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 6:37 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed >>>> >>>> Aleeha, >>>> Well, that is too bad because I think a foregin language class is one >>>> where >>>> a notetaker would be very beneficial. >>>> If you feel you miss material in class, you can always go to the >>>> professor's >>>> office hours. In my experience, they are generally real willing to help >>>> and >>>> repeat or clarify any lecture material. >>>> >>>> Ashley >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- From: aleeha dudley >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 8:28 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed >>>> >>>> I use a note taker in science classes and am not ashamed to say it. The >>>> university does not provide these services for foreign language >>>> classes. >>>> Thanks to everyone for the suggestions. >>>> >>>> Aleeha Dudley >>>> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students >>>> Changing what it means to be blind >>>> >>>> On Aug 21, 2012, at 6:40 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Aleeha, >>>>> Sounds like a handful. I would not be able to read notes on a laptop, >>>>> take notes and listen at the same time even if it was in english! >>>>> What teaching style does she use? I only took foreign language in high >>>>> school; I would not want to try in college due to no braille >>>>> availability. In high school I was accomodated with hard copy braille >>>>> and braille texts which was vital to my success; college you have to >>>>> do >>>>> auditorily. >>>>> >>>>> What I'd suggest is not reading the class notes in class. Do you need >>>>> to >>>>> read them for a worksheet or group activity? If so, could someone else >>>>> read them with you? Sometimes my professors have a study guide but I >>>>> follow auditorily since I ask the professor to speak out the questions >>>>> before going over them. If in a group of students, I try and get them >>>>> to >>>>> read the handout to me so I can participate. >>>>> Instead of in class, get any handouts ahead of time and read them. If >>>>> you feel you need them in class, is it possible to put the handout >>>>> file >>>>> on your braille note and switch files from your notes and class notes? >>>>> >>>>> Another idea which might be quicker for accessing notes is to emboss >>>>> the >>>>> class notes. Do you have an embosser of yours or the schools? >>>>> I find that i can skim a hard copy document faster than a braille >>>>> display file. >>>>> Also recording class might help. Another idea, which many would >>>>> disagree >>>>> with, is have a notetaker. Your school should provide a notetaker upon >>>>> request for you. Languages classes go fast and I think it would be >>>>> hard >>>>> to take notes as fast as they go especially when other students can >>>>> copy >>>>> notes from the board or slide at their pace and you have to do it >>>>> right as the teacher talks. >>>>> >>>>> HTH, >>>>> Ashley >>>>> -----Original Message----- From: aleeha dudley >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 10:08 AM >>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed >>>>> >>>>> I was wondering if any of you have taken 300 level foreign language >>>>> classes and if so, how did you keep track of all that is happening in >>>>> the class? I am finding it difficult to read the class notes on my >>>>> laptop, take my own notes on my Braillenote apex, and also try to >>>>> comprehend what the instructor is saying since it is all in Spanish. >>>>> Let >>>>> me know what you think. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Aleeha Dudley >>>>> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students >>>>> Changing what it means to be blind >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com From PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu Fri Aug 24 22:23:21 2012 From: PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu (Justin Salisbury) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 22:23:21 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Check writing software? Message-ID: <6CE049279B97194491C46E008D8892431CA38A50@CH1PRD0510MB355.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> I don't have a separate check-writing software. I am a Bank of America customer, and I use the Bill Pay feature online. I just have to put in the information of the destination of my check, the amount, memo, etc, and tell it to send the check. A paper check is generated and mailed for me, so I don't even have to bother with the checks themselves. I love it. You can also do electronic fund transfers directly to an account if you ever need that. If I ever need to hand a paper check to someone, I use my check-writing guide, which I place over the check, and I write a check. The software from APH sounds pretty good, too. Justin Justin M. Salisbury Class of 2012 B.A. in Mathematics East Carolina University president at alumni.ecu.edu “Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.” —MARGARET MEAD From brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com Fri Aug 24 22:28:37 2012 From: brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com (Brandon Keith Biggs) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 15:28:37 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Check writing software? In-Reply-To: <6CE049279B97194491C46E008D8892431CA38A50@CH1PRD0510MB355.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> References: <6CE049279B97194491C46E008D8892431CA38A50@CH1PRD0510MB355.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <58DC00FE51484E1DB05486AFA92F4CE7@BrandonsLaptop2> Oh I didn't know about the BOA check writing... What is the APH software? Thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs -----Original Message----- From: Justin Salisbury Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 3:23 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Check writing software? I don't have a separate check-writing software. I am a Bank of America customer, and I use the Bill Pay feature online. I just have to put in the information of the destination of my check, the amount, memo, etc, and tell it to send the check. A paper check is generated and mailed for me, so I don't even have to bother with the checks themselves. I love it. You can also do electronic fund transfers directly to an account if you ever need that. If I ever need to hand a paper check to someone, I use my check-writing guide, which I place over the check, and I write a check. The software from APH sounds pretty good, too. Justin Justin M. Salisbury Class of 2012 B.A. in Mathematics East Carolina University president at alumni.ecu.edu “Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.” —MARGARET MEAD _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Fri Aug 24 22:30:57 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 16:30:57 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed In-Reply-To: <9FB7176742EE4B508C119CE0FD3EDBD2@BrandonsLaptop2> References: <8E4FE3A0-6F7F-44A2-96FF-B4194D0D87AC@gmail.com> <91DD717C002B41238239FCCD3F1BF699@OwnerPC> <1AF86CC9-3269-417E-9818-9BCBCFF87970@gmail.com> <10227E3E66504413A9B2D705DA645A14@BrandonsLaptop2> <27C5995B-4D7D-4B77-9CE6-DA1456449D66@gmail.com> <9FB7176742EE4B508C119CE0FD3EDBD2@BrandonsLaptop2> Message-ID: Again, I don't think having a notetaker makes things any easier. It might be easier in the short term, but will just require more studying and catch-up later to integrate the notetaker's notes with your own. If you focus exclusively on what the professor is saying, and integrate notes from the PowerPoint later, you should be fine. Most of the PowerPoint will just be redundant with what the professor said anyway. Actively reviewing with a study partner can fill any gaps. On 8/24/12, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: > Hello, > The question for the original topic was how to do top level language classes > > in Braille with all the switches between notes and worksheets and whatnot. A > > note taker is a good idea for such a high level class if you are feeling > like it is overwhelming. After all, you have already passed the multitude of > > other classes to get to this point without a note taker. Just having an note > > taker for these extremely advanced classes is probably OK. When the class is > > speeding ahead in another language, and you have two languages flowing > through your ears as well as the computer language that you need to change > from one paper to another, having that backup would be nice. Of course a > note taker is just a tool, it isn't an end. If anyone keeps that in mind I > believe they will be fine. > I have never taken such a high level class, but a note taker could also be a > > study partner. > Thank you, > > Brandon Keith Biggs > -----Original Message----- > From: Lavonya Gardner > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 2:54 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed > > I just use my laptop iPad or my one on one > > Sent from my iPad > > On Aug 24, 2012, at 17:27, Danielle Sykora wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> Yes, I agree that we should be able to take our own notes. The ability >> to take notes is a very important skill. It doesn't seem practical to >> always expect to have someone else take notes for you. >> Just my opinion, >> Danielle >> >> On 8/24/12, Lavonya Gardner wrote: >>> They have note takers for school and assistances for work. I have 1 >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Aug 24, 2012, at 17:00, David Andrews wrote: >>> >>>> My view may not be popular -- but, it seems to me that as blind persons >>>> >>>> we >>>> need to be able to take notes as does everybody else. Use of a human >>>> note >>>> taker, while it may seem expedient, isn't going to prepare you for the >>>> real world. Unless you have a problem, in addition to blindness, most >>>> employers aren't, and shouldn't provide you with a note taker. We need >>>> >>>> to >>>> have the tools to study as everybody else does. >>>> >>>> I would use the Braille note to take notes in class, and worry about >>>> powerpoints etc. later. >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> At 09:10 PM 8/21/2012, you wrote: >>>>> Hello, >>>>> If this is a state college, if you ask for a note taker, they can't >>>>> deny >>>>> you a note taker. If they say that is against their policy, say that >>>>> is >>>>> BS and you can sue them. >>>>> If they are a private college that put you on a 504 plan the case is >>>>> the >>>>> same. They can provide you accommodation if it isn't unreasonable. >>>>> Thank you, >>>>> >>>>> Brandon Keith Biggs >>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Ashley Bramlett >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 6:37 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed >>>>> >>>>> Aleeha, >>>>> Well, that is too bad because I think a foregin language class is one >>>>> where >>>>> a notetaker would be very beneficial. >>>>> If you feel you miss material in class, you can always go to the >>>>> professor's >>>>> office hours. In my experience, they are generally real willing to >>>>> help >>>>> and >>>>> repeat or clarify any lecture material. >>>>> >>>>> Ashley >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- From: aleeha dudley >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 8:28 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed >>>>> >>>>> I use a note taker in science classes and am not ashamed to say it. >>>>> The >>>>> university does not provide these services for foreign language >>>>> classes. >>>>> Thanks to everyone for the suggestions. >>>>> >>>>> Aleeha Dudley >>>>> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students >>>>> Changing what it means to be blind >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 21, 2012, at 6:40 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Aleeha, >>>>>> Sounds like a handful. I would not be able to read notes on a laptop, >>>>>> take notes and listen at the same time even if it was in english! >>>>>> What teaching style does she use? I only took foreign language in >>>>>> high >>>>>> school; I would not want to try in college due to no braille >>>>>> availability. In high school I was accomodated with hard copy braille >>>>>> and braille texts which was vital to my success; college you have to >>>>>> do >>>>>> auditorily. >>>>>> >>>>>> What I'd suggest is not reading the class notes in class. Do you need >>>>>> >>>>>> to >>>>>> read them for a worksheet or group activity? If so, could someone >>>>>> else >>>>>> read them with you? Sometimes my professors have a study guide but I >>>>>> follow auditorily since I ask the professor to speak out the >>>>>> questions >>>>>> before going over them. If in a group of students, I try and get them >>>>>> >>>>>> to >>>>>> read the handout to me so I can participate. >>>>>> Instead of in class, get any handouts ahead of time and read them. If >>>>>> you feel you need them in class, is it possible to put the handout >>>>>> file >>>>>> on your braille note and switch files from your notes and class >>>>>> notes? >>>>>> >>>>>> Another idea which might be quicker for accessing notes is to emboss >>>>>> the >>>>>> class notes. Do you have an embosser of yours or the schools? >>>>>> I find that i can skim a hard copy document faster than a braille >>>>>> display file. >>>>>> Also recording class might help. Another idea, which many would >>>>>> disagree >>>>>> with, is have a notetaker. Your school should provide a notetaker >>>>>> upon >>>>>> request for you. Languages classes go fast and I think it would be >>>>>> hard >>>>>> to take notes as fast as they go especially when other students can >>>>>> copy >>>>>> notes from the board or slide at their pace and you have to do it >>>>>> right as the teacher talks. >>>>>> >>>>>> HTH, >>>>>> Ashley >>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: aleeha dudley >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 10:08 AM >>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed >>>>>> >>>>>> I was wondering if any of you have taken 300 level foreign language >>>>>> classes and if so, how did you keep track of all that is happening in >>>>>> the class? I am finding it difficult to read the class notes on my >>>>>> laptop, take my own notes on my Braillenote apex, and also try to >>>>>> comprehend what the instructor is saying since it is all in Spanish. >>>>>> Let >>>>>> me know what you think. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Aleeha Dudley >>>>>> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students >>>>>> Changing what it means to be blind >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From gloria.graves at gmail.com Fri Aug 24 22:56:45 2012 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 17:56:45 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] GRE Prep Message-ID: Hi all, I was wondering if anyone could provide me information as to where I might start looking for practice materials for the GRE? Thanks! From hope.paulos at gmail.com Fri Aug 24 23:16:45 2012 From: hope.paulos at gmail.com (Hope Paulos) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 19:16:45 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed In-Reply-To: References: <8E4FE3A0-6F7F-44A2-96FF-B4194D0D87AC@gmail.com> <91DD717C002B41238239FCCD3F1BF699@OwnerPC> <1AF86CC9-3269-417E-9818-9BCBCFF87970@gmail.com> <10227E3E66504413A9B2D705DA645A14@BrandonsLaptop2> <27C5995B-4D7D-4B77-9CE6-DA1456449D66@gmail.com> <9FB7176742EE4B508C119CE0FD3EDBD2@BrandonsLaptop2> Message-ID: Another thing that needs to be taken into consideration is the fluency of the note taker. If the person does not know how to make the accents on the computer, or spell the words correctly, you're going to have a hard time. I know, as a student teacher, I took points off of people's exams when they spelled something wrong, or omitted an accent. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 24, 2012, at 6:30 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Again, I don't think having a notetaker makes things any easier. It > might be easier in the short term, but will just require more studying > and catch-up later to integrate the notetaker's notes with your own. > If you focus exclusively on what the professor is saying, and > integrate notes from the PowerPoint later, you should be fine. Most of > the PowerPoint will just be redundant with what the professor said > anyway. Actively reviewing with a study partner can fill any gaps. > > On 8/24/12, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: >> Hello, >> The question for the original topic was how to do top level language classes >> >> in Braille with all the switches between notes and worksheets and whatnot. A >> >> note taker is a good idea for such a high level class if you are feeling >> like it is overwhelming. After all, you have already passed the multitude of >> >> other classes to get to this point without a note taker. Just having an note >> >> taker for these extremely advanced classes is probably OK. When the class is >> >> speeding ahead in another language, and you have two languages flowing >> through your ears as well as the computer language that you need to change >> from one paper to another, having that backup would be nice. Of course a >> note taker is just a tool, it isn't an end. If anyone keeps that in mind I >> believe they will be fine. >> I have never taken such a high level class, but a note taker could also be a >> >> study partner. >> Thank you, >> >> Brandon Keith Biggs >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Lavonya Gardner >> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 2:54 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed >> >> I just use my laptop iPad or my one on one >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Aug 24, 2012, at 17:27, Danielle Sykora wrote: >> >>> Hi everyone, >>> Yes, I agree that we should be able to take our own notes. The ability >>> to take notes is a very important skill. It doesn't seem practical to >>> always expect to have someone else take notes for you. >>> Just my opinion, >>> Danielle >>> >>> On 8/24/12, Lavonya Gardner wrote: >>>> They have note takers for school and assistances for work. I have 1 >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>> On Aug 24, 2012, at 17:00, David Andrews wrote: >>>> >>>>> My view may not be popular -- but, it seems to me that as blind persons >>>>> >>>>> we >>>>> need to be able to take notes as does everybody else. Use of a human >>>>> note >>>>> taker, while it may seem expedient, isn't going to prepare you for the >>>>> real world. Unless you have a problem, in addition to blindness, most >>>>> employers aren't, and shouldn't provide you with a note taker. We need >>>>> >>>>> to >>>>> have the tools to study as everybody else does. >>>>> >>>>> I would use the Braille note to take notes in class, and worry about >>>>> powerpoints etc. later. >>>>> >>>>> Dave >>>>> >>>>> At 09:10 PM 8/21/2012, you wrote: >>>>>> Hello, >>>>>> If this is a state college, if you ask for a note taker, they can't >>>>>> deny >>>>>> you a note taker. If they say that is against their policy, say that >>>>>> is >>>>>> BS and you can sue them. >>>>>> If they are a private college that put you on a 504 plan the case is >>>>>> the >>>>>> same. They can provide you accommodation if it isn't unreasonable. >>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>> >>>>>> Brandon Keith Biggs >>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Ashley Bramlett >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 6:37 PM >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed >>>>>> >>>>>> Aleeha, >>>>>> Well, that is too bad because I think a foregin language class is one >>>>>> where >>>>>> a notetaker would be very beneficial. >>>>>> If you feel you miss material in class, you can always go to the >>>>>> professor's >>>>>> office hours. In my experience, they are generally real willing to >>>>>> help >>>>>> and >>>>>> repeat or clarify any lecture material. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ashley >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: aleeha dudley >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 8:28 PM >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed >>>>>> >>>>>> I use a note taker in science classes and am not ashamed to say it. >>>>>> The >>>>>> university does not provide these services for foreign language >>>>>> classes. >>>>>> Thanks to everyone for the suggestions. >>>>>> >>>>>> Aleeha Dudley >>>>>> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students >>>>>> Changing what it means to be blind >>>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 21, 2012, at 6:40 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" >>>>>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Aleeha, >>>>>>> Sounds like a handful. I would not be able to read notes on a laptop, >>>>>>> take notes and listen at the same time even if it was in english! >>>>>>> What teaching style does she use? I only took foreign language in >>>>>>> high >>>>>>> school; I would not want to try in college due to no braille >>>>>>> availability. In high school I was accomodated with hard copy braille >>>>>>> and braille texts which was vital to my success; college you have to >>>>>>> do >>>>>>> auditorily. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What I'd suggest is not reading the class notes in class. Do you need >>>>>>> >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> read them for a worksheet or group activity? If so, could someone >>>>>>> else >>>>>>> read them with you? Sometimes my professors have a study guide but I >>>>>>> follow auditorily since I ask the professor to speak out the >>>>>>> questions >>>>>>> before going over them. If in a group of students, I try and get them >>>>>>> >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> read the handout to me so I can participate. >>>>>>> Instead of in class, get any handouts ahead of time and read them. If >>>>>>> you feel you need them in class, is it possible to put the handout >>>>>>> file >>>>>>> on your braille note and switch files from your notes and class >>>>>>> notes? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Another idea which might be quicker for accessing notes is to emboss >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> class notes. Do you have an embosser of yours or the schools? >>>>>>> I find that i can skim a hard copy document faster than a braille >>>>>>> display file. >>>>>>> Also recording class might help. Another idea, which many would >>>>>>> disagree >>>>>>> with, is have a notetaker. Your school should provide a notetaker >>>>>>> upon >>>>>>> request for you. Languages classes go fast and I think it would be >>>>>>> hard >>>>>>> to take notes as fast as they go especially when other students can >>>>>>> copy >>>>>>> notes from the board or slide at their pace and you have to do it >>>>>>> right as the teacher talks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> HTH, >>>>>>> Ashley >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: aleeha dudley >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 10:08 AM >>>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I was wondering if any of you have taken 300 level foreign language >>>>>>> classes and if so, how did you keep track of all that is happening in >>>>>>> the class? I am finding it difficult to read the class notes on my >>>>>>> laptop, take my own notes on my Braillenote apex, and also try to >>>>>>> comprehend what the instructor is saying since it is all in Spanish. >>>>>>> Let >>>>>>> me know what you think. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Aleeha Dudley >>>>>>> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students >>>>>>> Changing what it means to be blind >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Fri Aug 24 23:19:05 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 19:19:05 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed In-Reply-To: <9FB7176742EE4B508C119CE0FD3EDBD2@BrandonsLaptop2> References: <8E4FE3A0-6F7F-44A2-96FF-B4194D0D87AC@gmail.com> <91DD717C002B41238239FCCD3F1BF699@OwnerPC> <1AF86CC9-3269-417E-9818-9BCBCFF87970@gmail.com> <10227E3E66504413A9B2D705DA645A14@BrandonsLaptop2> <27C5995B-4D7D-4B77-9CE6-DA1456449D66@gmail.com> <9FB7176742EE4B508C119CE0FD3EDBD2@BrandonsLaptop2> Message-ID: <6069D4D5-8403-4412-A5E8-BE152CC8C611@gmail.com> Well said Sent from my iPad On Aug 24, 2012, at 18:14, "Brandon Keith Biggs" wrote: > Hello, > The question for the original topic was how to do top level language classes in Braille with all the switches between notes and worksheets and whatnot. A note taker is a good idea for such a high level class if you are feeling like it is overwhelming. After all, you have already passed the multitude of other classes to get to this point without a note taker. Just having an note taker for these extremely advanced classes is probably OK. When the class is speeding ahead in another language, and you have two languages flowing through your ears as well as the computer language that you need to change from one paper to another, having that backup would be nice. Of course a note taker is just a tool, it isn't an end. If anyone keeps that in mind I believe they will be fine. > I have never taken such a high level class, but a note taker could also be a study partner. > Thank you, > > Brandon Keith Biggs > -----Original Message----- From: Lavonya Gardner > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 2:54 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed > > I just use my laptop iPad or my one on one > > Sent from my iPad > > On Aug 24, 2012, at 17:27, Danielle Sykora wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> Yes, I agree that we should be able to take our own notes. The ability >> to take notes is a very important skill. It doesn't seem practical to >> always expect to have someone else take notes for you. >> Just my opinion, >> Danielle >> >> On 8/24/12, Lavonya Gardner wrote: >>> They have note takers for school and assistances for work. I have 1 >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Aug 24, 2012, at 17:00, David Andrews wrote: >>> >>>> My view may not be popular -- but, it seems to me that as blind persons we >>>> need to be able to take notes as does everybody else. Use of a human note >>>> taker, while it may seem expedient, isn't going to prepare you for the >>>> real world. Unless you have a problem, in addition to blindness, most >>>> employers aren't, and shouldn't provide you with a note taker. We need to >>>> have the tools to study as everybody else does. >>>> >>>> I would use the Braille note to take notes in class, and worry about >>>> powerpoints etc. later. >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> At 09:10 PM 8/21/2012, you wrote: >>>>> Hello, >>>>> If this is a state college, if you ask for a note taker, they can't deny >>>>> you a note taker. If they say that is against their policy, say that is >>>>> BS and you can sue them. >>>>> If they are a private college that put you on a 504 plan the case is the >>>>> same. They can provide you accommodation if it isn't unreasonable. >>>>> Thank you, >>>>> >>>>> Brandon Keith Biggs >>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Ashley Bramlett >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 6:37 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed >>>>> >>>>> Aleeha, >>>>> Well, that is too bad because I think a foregin language class is one >>>>> where >>>>> a notetaker would be very beneficial. >>>>> If you feel you miss material in class, you can always go to the >>>>> professor's >>>>> office hours. In my experience, they are generally real willing to help >>>>> and >>>>> repeat or clarify any lecture material. >>>>> >>>>> Ashley >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- From: aleeha dudley >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 8:28 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed >>>>> >>>>> I use a note taker in science classes and am not ashamed to say it. The >>>>> university does not provide these services for foreign language classes. >>>>> Thanks to everyone for the suggestions. >>>>> >>>>> Aleeha Dudley >>>>> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students >>>>> Changing what it means to be blind >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 21, 2012, at 6:40 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Aleeha, >>>>>> Sounds like a handful. I would not be able to read notes on a laptop, >>>>>> take notes and listen at the same time even if it was in english! >>>>>> What teaching style does she use? I only took foreign language in high >>>>>> school; I would not want to try in college due to no braille >>>>>> availability. In high school I was accomodated with hard copy braille >>>>>> and braille texts which was vital to my success; college you have to do >>>>>> auditorily. >>>>>> >>>>>> What I'd suggest is not reading the class notes in class. Do you need to >>>>>> read them for a worksheet or group activity? If so, could someone else >>>>>> read them with you? Sometimes my professors have a study guide but I >>>>>> follow auditorily since I ask the professor to speak out the questions >>>>>> before going over them. If in a group of students, I try and get them to >>>>>> read the handout to me so I can participate. >>>>>> Instead of in class, get any handouts ahead of time and read them. If >>>>>> you feel you need them in class, is it possible to put the handout file >>>>>> on your braille note and switch files from your notes and class notes? >>>>>> >>>>>> Another idea which might be quicker for accessing notes is to emboss the >>>>>> class notes. Do you have an embosser of yours or the schools? >>>>>> I find that i can skim a hard copy document faster than a braille >>>>>> display file. >>>>>> Also recording class might help. Another idea, which many would disagree >>>>>> with, is have a notetaker. Your school should provide a notetaker upon >>>>>> request for you. Languages classes go fast and I think it would be hard >>>>>> to take notes as fast as they go especially when other students can copy >>>>>> notes from the board or slide at their pace and you have to do it >>>>>> right as the teacher talks. >>>>>> >>>>>> HTH, >>>>>> Ashley >>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: aleeha dudley >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 10:08 AM >>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed >>>>>> >>>>>> I was wondering if any of you have taken 300 level foreign language >>>>>> classes and if so, how did you keep track of all that is happening in >>>>>> the class? I am finding it difficult to read the class notes on my >>>>>> laptop, take my own notes on my Braillenote apex, and also try to >>>>>> comprehend what the instructor is saying since it is all in Spanish. Let >>>>>> me know what you think. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Aleeha Dudley >>>>>> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students >>>>>> Changing what it means to be blind >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Aug 24 23:44:19 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 19:44:19 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed In-Reply-To: References: <8E4FE3A0-6F7F-44A2-96FF-B4194D0D87AC@gmail.com><91DD717C002B41238239FCCD3F1BF699@OwnerPC><1AF86CC9-3269-417E-9818-9BCBCFF87970@gmail.com><10227E3E66504413A9B2D705DA645A14@BrandonsLaptop2><27C5995B-4D7D-4B77-9CE6-DA1456449D66@gmail.com> Message-ID: Danielle and all, While I generally agree with the do it your own attitude, I feel there is a place for notetakers. In classes involving more visual input via videos slides, actions etc, a notetaker can take down those notes you're missing and even describe to you what you're missing. For instance in my high school spanish class students had to act out something and the class guessed its action or we would be given commands in spanish such as open the door or turn on a light switch and students did that. This method of listening and performing the action is called total physical response. In addition, my teacher showed videos and wrote on the board a lot. This person starting the thread said she had a braille note and I'm sure can take notes well. But its hard to follow a foreign language class when you have handouts, have to hear the teacher and write your notes. Remember that sighted students can copy from the board where as we have to hear it and write it. in taking my own notes, I found that sometimes I could hardly get one thing down and the prof was onto the next thing! In my spanish class in high school, I used a brailler and did not take notes; I had a student notetaker. It would have been too loud to braille and listen to the teacher and besides there was hardly time. I do not buy the work argument because at work we are at meetings and taking notes there, not trying to comprehend a new concept. Well, we might be learning, but it is not a foreign language and at work you have more time. Do you all know that most of the 8 hour day, employees really don't work? They come to work, but they are not working! Why? Well, because, they either cannot concentrate the whole day, get bored of the assignment and go on the internet, and some just are lazy. Even the best conscientious workers will take social breaks or breaks for personal matters. So, a blind employee might put in an extra hour or two of work then to learn or complete an assignment. In school, I think we should get accomodations if we need them. After all, professors really don't verbalize everything and I learned the truth my first semester at school. You may want them to verbalize everything on the screen or at least everything that is important, but they don't. They are going to point to stuff or another thing I saw was talk about something and not read the definition. I found a notetaker quite helpful in spanish and I stick to my suggestion. Notetakers are not for every class, but in some situations its good. And, a good notetaker will copy down correctly so you get the spelling of words. I did not know how to even write most of the words down since it’s a foreign language. Other students are not expected to know how to write it either, at least for a while. They copy from the board and see the pictures. By pairing the picture to the verbal message, they understand the concept. Then they learn how to write the foreign language vocabulary. For instance, my teacher had a picture of the beach or restaurant and pointed to certain stuff and described it; sometimes she translated to english; other times not as it was obvious she was pointing to the oceean. Anyway, we'll all do what is best for us, but I don't think we should rule out an accomodation based on philosophy or what our future might be. In general, I think students could learn better notetaking skills; I wish there was a class in notetaking and study habits because it is not as needed in high school as teachers teach differently, butin college listening and getting the important points and putting them down in your own words is important. If we had such a class for anyone, I think the drop out rate would decrease. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Danielle Sykora Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 5:27 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed Hi everyone, Yes, I agree that we should be able to take our own notes. The ability to take notes is a very important skill. It doesn't seem practical to always expect to have someone else take notes for you. Just my opinion, Danielle On 8/24/12, Lavonya Gardner wrote: > They have note takers for school and assistances for work. I have 1 > > Sent from my iPad > > On Aug 24, 2012, at 17:00, David Andrews wrote: > >> My view may not be popular -- but, it seems to me that as blind persons >> we >> need to be able to take notes as does everybody else. Use of a human >> note >> taker, while it may seem expedient, isn't going to prepare you for the >> real world. Unless you have a problem, in addition to blindness, most >> employers aren't, and shouldn't provide you with a note taker. We need >> to >> have the tools to study as everybody else does. >> >> I would use the Braille note to take notes in class, and worry about >> powerpoints etc. later. >> >> Dave >> >> At 09:10 PM 8/21/2012, you wrote: >>> Hello, >>> If this is a state college, if you ask for a note taker, they can't deny >>> you a note taker. If they say that is against their policy, say that is >>> BS and you can sue them. >>> If they are a private college that put you on a 504 plan the case is the >>> same. They can provide you accommodation if it isn't unreasonable. >>> Thank you, >>> >>> Brandon Keith Biggs >>> -----Original Message----- From: Ashley Bramlett >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 6:37 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed >>> >>> Aleeha, >>> Well, that is too bad because I think a foregin language class is one >>> where >>> a notetaker would be very beneficial. >>> If you feel you miss material in class, you can always go to the >>> professor's >>> office hours. In my experience, they are generally real willing to help >>> and >>> repeat or clarify any lecture material. >>> >>> Ashley >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: aleeha dudley >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 8:28 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed >>> >>> I use a note taker in science classes and am not ashamed to say it. The >>> university does not provide these services for foreign language classes. >>> Thanks to everyone for the suggestions. >>> >>> Aleeha Dudley >>> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students >>> Changing what it means to be blind >>> >>> On Aug 21, 2012, at 6:40 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Aleeha, >>>> Sounds like a handful. I would not be able to read notes on a laptop, >>>> take notes and listen at the same time even if it was in english! >>>> What teaching style does she use? I only took foreign language in high >>>> school; I would not want to try in college due to no braille >>>> availability. In high school I was accomodated with hard copy braille >>>> and braille texts which was vital to my success; college you have to do >>>> auditorily. >>>> >>>> What I'd suggest is not reading the class notes in class. Do you need >>>> to >>>> read them for a worksheet or group activity? If so, could someone else >>>> read them with you? Sometimes my professors have a study guide but I >>>> follow auditorily since I ask the professor to speak out the questions >>>> before going over them. If in a group of students, I try and get them >>>> to >>>> read the handout to me so I can participate. >>>> Instead of in class, get any handouts ahead of time and read them. If >>>> you feel you need them in class, is it possible to put the handout file >>>> on your braille note and switch files from your notes and class notes? >>>> >>>> Another idea which might be quicker for accessing notes is to emboss >>>> the >>>> class notes. Do you have an embosser of yours or the schools? >>>> I find that i can skim a hard copy document faster than a braille >>>> display file. >>>> Also recording class might help. Another idea, which many would >>>> disagree >>>> with, is have a notetaker. Your school should provide a notetaker upon >>>> request for you. Languages classes go fast and I think it would be hard >>>> to take notes as fast as they go especially when other students can >>>> copy >>>> notes from the board or slide at their pace and you have to do it >>>> right as the teacher talks. >>>> >>>> HTH, >>>> Ashley >>>> -----Original Message----- From: aleeha dudley >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 10:08 AM >>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed >>>> >>>> I was wondering if any of you have taken 300 level foreign language >>>> classes and if so, how did you keep track of all that is happening in >>>> the class? I am finding it difficult to read the class notes on my >>>> laptop, take my own notes on my Braillenote apex, and also try to >>>> comprehend what the instructor is saying since it is all in Spanish. >>>> Let >>>> me know what you think. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Aleeha Dudley >>>> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students >>>> Changing what it means to be blind >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Fri Aug 24 23:51:54 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 19:51:54 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed In-Reply-To: References: <8E4FE3A0-6F7F-44A2-96FF-B4194D0D87AC@gmail.com> <91DD717C002B41238239FCCD3F1BF699@OwnerPC> <1AF86CC9-3269-417E-9818-9BCBCFF87970@gmail.com> <10227E3E66504413A9B2D705DA645A14@BrandonsLaptop2> <27C5995B-4D7D-4B77-9CE6-DA1456449D66@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8F823D03-D4FD-4523-9F3F-12D61AA0B680@gmail.com> No kidding Sent from my iPad On Aug 24, 2012, at 19:44, "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: > Danielle and all, > While I generally agree with the do it your own attitude, I feel there is a place for notetakers. In classes involving more visual > input via videos slides, actions etc, a notetaker can take down those notes you're missing and even describe to you what you're missing. For instance in my high school spanish class students had to act out something and the class guessed its action or we would be given commands in spanish such as open the door or turn on a light switch and students did that. This method of listening and performing the action is called total physical response. In addition, my teacher showed videos and wrote on the board a lot. This person starting the thread said she had a braille note and I'm sure can take notes well. But its hard to follow a foreign language class when you have handouts, have to hear the teacher and write your notes. > Remember that sighted students can copy from the board where as we have to hear it and write it. in taking my own notes, I found that sometimes I could hardly get one thing down and the prof was onto the next thing! In my spanish class in high school, I used a brailler and did not take notes; I had a student notetaker. It would have been too loud to braille and listen to the teacher and besides there was hardly time. > > I do not buy the work argument because at work we are at meetings and taking notes there, not trying to comprehend a new concept. Well, we might be learning, but it is not a foreign language and at work you have more time. > Do you all know that most of the 8 hour day, employees really don't work? They come to work, but they are not working! Why? Well, because, they either cannot concentrate the whole day, get bored of the assignment and go on the internet, and some just are lazy. Even the best conscientious workers will take social breaks or breaks for personal matters. > So, a blind employee might put in an extra hour or two of work then to learn or complete an assignment. > > In school, I think we should get accomodations if we need them. After all, professors really don't verbalize everything and I learned the truth my first semester at school. You may want them to verbalize everything on the screen or at least everything that is important, but they don't. They are going to point to stuff or another thing I saw was talk about something and not read the definition. I found a notetaker quite helpful in spanish and I stick to my suggestion. Notetakers are not for every class, but in some situations its good. And, a good notetaker will copy down correctly so you get the spelling of words. I did not know how to even write most of the words down since it’s a foreign language. > Other students are not expected to know how to write it either, at least for a while. They copy from the board and see the pictures. By pairing the picture to the verbal message, they understand the concept. > Then they learn how to write the foreign language vocabulary. > For instance, my teacher had a picture of the beach or restaurant and pointed to certain stuff and > described it; sometimes she translated to english; other times not as it was obvious she was pointing to the oceean. > > Anyway, we'll all do what is best for us, but I don't think we should rule out an accomodation based on philosophy or what our future might be. > > In general, I think students could learn better notetaking skills; I wish there was a class in notetaking and study habits because it is not as needed in high school as teachers teach differently, butin college listening and getting the important points and putting them down in your own words is important. > If we had such a class for anyone, I think the drop out rate would decrease. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- From: Danielle Sykora > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 5:27 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed > > Hi everyone, > Yes, I agree that we should be able to take our own notes. The ability > to take notes is a very important skill. It doesn't seem practical to > always expect to have someone else take notes for you. > Just my opinion, > Danielle > > On 8/24/12, Lavonya Gardner wrote: >> They have note takers for school and assistances for work. I have 1 >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Aug 24, 2012, at 17:00, David Andrews wrote: >> >>> My view may not be popular -- but, it seems to me that as blind persons we >>> need to be able to take notes as does everybody else. Use of a human note >>> taker, while it may seem expedient, isn't going to prepare you for the >>> real world. Unless you have a problem, in addition to blindness, most >>> employers aren't, and shouldn't provide you with a note taker. We need to >>> have the tools to study as everybody else does. >>> >>> I would use the Braille note to take notes in class, and worry about >>> powerpoints etc. later. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> At 09:10 PM 8/21/2012, you wrote: >>>> Hello, >>>> If this is a state college, if you ask for a note taker, they can't deny >>>> you a note taker. If they say that is against their policy, say that is >>>> BS and you can sue them. >>>> If they are a private college that put you on a 504 plan the case is the >>>> same. They can provide you accommodation if it isn't unreasonable. >>>> Thank you, >>>> >>>> Brandon Keith Biggs >>>> -----Original Message----- From: Ashley Bramlett >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 6:37 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed >>>> >>>> Aleeha, >>>> Well, that is too bad because I think a foregin language class is one >>>> where >>>> a notetaker would be very beneficial. >>>> If you feel you miss material in class, you can always go to the >>>> professor's >>>> office hours. In my experience, they are generally real willing to help >>>> and >>>> repeat or clarify any lecture material. >>>> >>>> Ashley >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- From: aleeha dudley >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 8:28 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed >>>> >>>> I use a note taker in science classes and am not ashamed to say it. The >>>> university does not provide these services for foreign language classes. >>>> Thanks to everyone for the suggestions. >>>> >>>> Aleeha Dudley >>>> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students >>>> Changing what it means to be blind >>>> >>>> On Aug 21, 2012, at 6:40 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Aleeha, >>>>> Sounds like a handful. I would not be able to read notes on a laptop, >>>>> take notes and listen at the same time even if it was in english! >>>>> What teaching style does she use? I only took foreign language in high >>>>> school; I would not want to try in college due to no braille >>>>> availability. In high school I was accomodated with hard copy braille >>>>> and braille texts which was vital to my success; college you have to do >>>>> auditorily. >>>>> >>>>> What I'd suggest is not reading the class notes in class. Do you need to >>>>> read them for a worksheet or group activity? If so, could someone else >>>>> read them with you? Sometimes my professors have a study guide but I >>>>> follow auditorily since I ask the professor to speak out the questions >>>>> before going over them. If in a group of students, I try and get them to >>>>> read the handout to me so I can participate. >>>>> Instead of in class, get any handouts ahead of time and read them. If >>>>> you feel you need them in class, is it possible to put the handout file >>>>> on your braille note and switch files from your notes and class notes? >>>>> >>>>> Another idea which might be quicker for accessing notes is to emboss the >>>>> class notes. Do you have an embosser of yours or the schools? >>>>> I find that i can skim a hard copy document faster than a braille >>>>> display file. >>>>> Also recording class might help. Another idea, which many would disagree >>>>> with, is have a notetaker. Your school should provide a notetaker upon >>>>> request for you. Languages classes go fast and I think it would be hard >>>>> to take notes as fast as they go especially when other students can copy >>>>> notes from the board or slide at their pace and you have to do it >>>>> right as the teacher talks. >>>>> >>>>> HTH, >>>>> Ashley >>>>> -----Original Message----- From: aleeha dudley >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 10:08 AM >>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed >>>>> >>>>> I was wondering if any of you have taken 300 level foreign language >>>>> classes and if so, how did you keep track of all that is happening in >>>>> the class? I am finding it difficult to read the class notes on my >>>>> laptop, take my own notes on my Braillenote apex, and also try to >>>>> comprehend what the instructor is saying since it is all in Spanish. Let >>>>> me know what you think. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Aleeha Dudley >>>>> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students >>>>> Changing what it means to be blind >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com Sat Aug 25 00:38:46 2012 From: brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com (Brandon Keith Biggs) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 17:38:46 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed In-Reply-To: <8F823D03-D4FD-4523-9F3F-12D61AA0B680@gmail.com> References: <8E4FE3A0-6F7F-44A2-96FF-B4194D0D87AC@gmail.com><91DD717C002B41238239FCCD3F1BF699@OwnerPC><1AF86CC9-3269-417E-9818-9BCBCFF87970@gmail.com><10227E3E66504413A9B2D705DA645A14@BrandonsLaptop2><27C5995B-4D7D-4B77-9CE6-DA1456449D66@gmail.com> <8F823D03-D4FD-4523-9F3F-12D61AA0B680@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2BE398AA462545DD90AC9A59A98E796C@BrandonsLaptop2> Hello, Can we please refrain from these 2-10 word responses? They aren't really contributing to anything except for cluttering up our inbox. Thank you, Brandon Keith Biggs -----Original Message----- From: Lavonya Gardner Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 4:51 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed No kidding Sent from my iPad On Aug 24, 2012, at 19:44, "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: > Danielle and all, > While I generally agree with the do it your own attitude, I feel there is > a place for notetakers. In classes involving more visual > input via videos slides, actions etc, a notetaker can take down those > notes you're missing and even describe to you what you're missing. For > instance in my high school spanish class students had to act out something > and the class guessed its action or we would be given commands in spanish > such as open the door or turn on a light switch and students did that. > This method of listening and performing the action is called total > physical response. In addition, my teacher showed videos and wrote on the > board a lot. This person starting the thread said she had a braille note > and I'm sure can take notes well. But its hard to follow a foreign > language class when you have handouts, have to hear the teacher and write > your notes. > Remember that sighted students can copy from the board where as we have to > hear it and write it. in taking my own notes, I found that sometimes I > could hardly get one thing down and the prof was onto the next thing! In > my spanish class in high school, I used a brailler and did not take notes; > I had a student notetaker. It would have been too loud to braille and > listen to the teacher and besides there was hardly time. > > I do not buy the work argument because at work we are at meetings and > taking notes there, not trying to comprehend a new concept. Well, we might > be learning, but it is not a foreign language and at work you have more > time. > Do you all know that most of the 8 hour day, employees really don't work? > They come to work, but they are not working! Why? Well, because, they > either cannot concentrate the whole day, get bored of the assignment and > go on the internet, and some just are lazy. Even the best conscientious > workers will take social breaks or breaks for personal matters. > So, a blind employee might put in an extra hour or two of work then to > learn or complete an assignment. > > In school, I think we should get accomodations if we need them. After all, > professors really don't verbalize everything and I learned the truth my > first semester at school. You may want them to verbalize everything on the > screen or at least everything that is important, but they don't. They are > going to point to stuff or another thing I saw was talk about something > and not read the definition. I found a notetaker quite helpful in spanish > and I stick to my suggestion. Notetakers are not for every class, but in > some situations its good. And, a good notetaker will copy down correctly > so you get the spelling of words. I did not know how to even write most of > the words down since it’s a foreign language. > Other students are not expected to know how to write it either, at least > for a while. They copy from the board and see the pictures. By pairing the > picture to the verbal message, they understand the concept. > Then they learn how to write the foreign language vocabulary. > For instance, my teacher had a picture of the beach or restaurant and > pointed to certain stuff and > described it; sometimes she translated to english; other times not as it > was obvious she was pointing to the oceean. > > Anyway, we'll all do what is best for us, but I don't think we should rule > out an accomodation based on philosophy or what our future might be. > > In general, I think students could learn better notetaking skills; I wish > there was a class in notetaking and study habits because it is not as > needed in high school as teachers teach differently, butin college > listening and getting the important points and putting them down in your > own words is important. > If we had such a class for anyone, I think the drop out rate would > decrease. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- From: Danielle Sykora > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 5:27 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed > > Hi everyone, > Yes, I agree that we should be able to take our own notes. The ability > to take notes is a very important skill. It doesn't seem practical to > always expect to have someone else take notes for you. > Just my opinion, > Danielle > > On 8/24/12, Lavonya Gardner wrote: >> They have note takers for school and assistances for work. I have 1 >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Aug 24, 2012, at 17:00, David Andrews wrote: >> >>> My view may not be popular -- but, it seems to me that as blind persons >>> we >>> need to be able to take notes as does everybody else. Use of a human >>> note >>> taker, while it may seem expedient, isn't going to prepare you for the >>> real world. Unless you have a problem, in addition to blindness, most >>> employers aren't, and shouldn't provide you with a note taker. We need >>> to >>> have the tools to study as everybody else does. >>> >>> I would use the Braille note to take notes in class, and worry about >>> powerpoints etc. later. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> At 09:10 PM 8/21/2012, you wrote: >>>> Hello, >>>> If this is a state college, if you ask for a note taker, they can't >>>> deny >>>> you a note taker. If they say that is against their policy, say that is >>>> BS and you can sue them. >>>> If they are a private college that put you on a 504 plan the case is >>>> the >>>> same. They can provide you accommodation if it isn't unreasonable. >>>> Thank you, >>>> >>>> Brandon Keith Biggs >>>> -----Original Message----- From: Ashley Bramlett >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 6:37 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed >>>> >>>> Aleeha, >>>> Well, that is too bad because I think a foregin language class is one >>>> where >>>> a notetaker would be very beneficial. >>>> If you feel you miss material in class, you can always go to the >>>> professor's >>>> office hours. In my experience, they are generally real willing to help >>>> and >>>> repeat or clarify any lecture material. >>>> >>>> Ashley >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- From: aleeha dudley >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 8:28 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed >>>> >>>> I use a note taker in science classes and am not ashamed to say it. The >>>> university does not provide these services for foreign language >>>> classes. >>>> Thanks to everyone for the suggestions. >>>> >>>> Aleeha Dudley >>>> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students >>>> Changing what it means to be blind >>>> >>>> On Aug 21, 2012, at 6:40 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Aleeha, >>>>> Sounds like a handful. I would not be able to read notes on a laptop, >>>>> take notes and listen at the same time even if it was in english! >>>>> What teaching style does she use? I only took foreign language in high >>>>> school; I would not want to try in college due to no braille >>>>> availability. In high school I was accomodated with hard copy braille >>>>> and braille texts which was vital to my success; college you have to >>>>> do >>>>> auditorily. >>>>> >>>>> What I'd suggest is not reading the class notes in class. Do you need >>>>> to >>>>> read them for a worksheet or group activity? If so, could someone else >>>>> read them with you? Sometimes my professors have a study guide but I >>>>> follow auditorily since I ask the professor to speak out the questions >>>>> before going over them. If in a group of students, I try and get them >>>>> to >>>>> read the handout to me so I can participate. >>>>> Instead of in class, get any handouts ahead of time and read them. If >>>>> you feel you need them in class, is it possible to put the handout >>>>> file >>>>> on your braille note and switch files from your notes and class notes? >>>>> >>>>> Another idea which might be quicker for accessing notes is to emboss >>>>> the >>>>> class notes. Do you have an embosser of yours or the schools? >>>>> I find that i can skim a hard copy document faster than a braille >>>>> display file. >>>>> Also recording class might help. Another idea, which many would >>>>> disagree >>>>> with, is have a notetaker. Your school should provide a notetaker upon >>>>> request for you. Languages classes go fast and I think it would be >>>>> hard >>>>> to take notes as fast as they go especially when other students can >>>>> copy >>>>> notes from the board or slide at their pace and you have to do it >>>>> right as the teacher talks. >>>>> >>>>> HTH, >>>>> Ashley >>>>> -----Original Message----- From: aleeha dudley >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 10:08 AM >>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Advanced foreign language advice needed >>>>> >>>>> I was wondering if any of you have taken 300 level foreign language >>>>> classes and if so, how did you keep track of all that is happening in >>>>> the class? I am finding it difficult to read the class notes on my >>>>> laptop, take my own notes on my Braillenote apex, and also try to >>>>> comprehend what the instructor is saying since it is all in Spanish. >>>>> Let >>>>> me know what you think. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Aleeha Dudley >>>>> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students >>>>> Changing what it means to be blind >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com From mysticalcharm at comcast.net Sat Aug 25 01:08:59 2012 From: mysticalcharm at comcast.net (Melissa Hambleton) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 21:08:59 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Japanese References: <66415750-286B-4AC4-A2B7-078770B3C0DD@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00e001cd825e$35aefe90$0201a8c0@bfa617c5f939410> I have also wanted to learn Japanese but, I have only learned very little since I don't know how to go about making the characters or Japanese Braille. Perhaps we can come up with something together or maybe someone else has an idea of what to do. Melissa ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Andrews" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Japanese > What difference does it make to you. Why can't people just answer the > question that was asked -- or if they don't have an answer then don't > respond. > > Dave > > At 01:52 PM 8/24/2012, you wrote: >>Hi Lindsay. >>If you don't mind me asking, why are you wanting to learn Japanese? >>Thanks, Joshua >>________________________________________ >>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >>Lindsay Yazzolino [lindsay3.14 at gmail.com] >>Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 1:48 PM >>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Japanese >> >>Hi All, >> >>I am curious as to whether there is anyone on this list who has studied >>Japanese. I am just beginning to learn the language, and am curious as to >>how others have learned to efficiently produce Hiragana and Konji >>characters. While I believe I have made some progress in determining how >>to type Japanese using the language-specific input keyboard for Hiragana >>characters, I still have a number of questions for those who are more >>proficient in the language. Also, is anyone here familiar with the >>Japanese Braille system, and if so, how often do you use it? Any >>tips/thoughts would be very much appreciated. i would be very interested >>in connecting with other blind people who know Japanese. Thanks in advance >>for any help! >>Best, >>Lindsay > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mysticalcharm%40comcast.net > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5220 - Release Date: 08/23/12 > From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Sat Aug 25 01:53:11 2012 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 19:53:11 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Japanese Message-ID: <50383021.e45b320a.47c7.062c@mx.google.com> My friend Kristen Lunceford might be able to see something about the Japanese Braille because she has learned Japanese and teaches Japanese students English. She has beeen a friend of mine since midle school, and I've watched her progress in Japan, and it's awesome. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melissa Hambleton" References: <50383021.e45b320a.47c7.062c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20120824201847.01c67540@comcast.net> Hi, Beth, I took nihongo (Japanese language) for 3 years in high school. During that time, I acquired a certain wherewithal, with nihongo tenji (Japanese braille code) you convert all kanjis into hiragana/katakana, characters you know with your a, i, u, e o, syllables. If you contact me i can give you specifics... Nihongo tenji, is actually easier than you think. 408-209-3239 carlymih at comcast.net ight be able to see something about the Japanese Braille because she has learned Japanese and teaches Japanese students English. She has beeen a friend of mine since midle school, and I've watched her progress in Japan, and it's awesome. >Beth >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Melissa Hambleton" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Date sent: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 21:08:59 -0400 >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Japanese > >I have also wanted to learn Japanese but, I have only learned very little >since I don't know how to go about making the characters or Japanese >Braille. > >Perhaps we can come up with something together or maybe someone else has an >idea of what to do. > >Melissa >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David Andrews" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 5:14 PM >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Japanese > > >What difference does it make to you. Why can't people just answer the >question that was asked -- or if they don't have an answer then don't >respond. > >Dave > >At 01:52 PM 8/24/2012, you wrote: >Hi Lindsay. >If you don't mind me asking, why are you wanting to learn Japanese? >Thanks, Joshua >________________________________________ >From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >Lindsay Yazzolino [lindsay3.14 at gmail.com] >Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 1:48 PM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Japanese > >Hi All, > >I am curious as to whether there is anyone on this list who has studied >Japanese. I am just beginning to learn the language, and am curious as to >how others have learned to efficiently produce Hiragana and Konji >characters. While I believe I have made some progress in determining how >to type Japanese using the language-specific input keyboard for Hiragana >characters, I still have a number of questions for those who are more >proficient in the language. Also, is anyone here familiar with the >Japanese Braille system, and if so, how often do you use it? Any >tips/thoughts would be very much appreciated. i would be very interested >in connecting with other blind people who know Japanese. Thanks in advance >for any help! >Best, >Lindsay > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mysticalcharm >%40comcast.net > > >----- >No virus found in this message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5220 - Release Date: 08/23/12 > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo >se%40gmail.com > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From carlymih at comcast.net Sat Aug 25 03:35:28 2012 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 20:35:28 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Japanese In-Reply-To: <00e001cd825e$35aefe90$0201a8c0@bfa617c5f939410> References: <66415750-286B-4AC4-A2B7-078770B3C0DD@gmail.com> <00e001cd825e$35aefe90$0201a8c0@bfa617c5f939410> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20120824203307.01c2dbd0@comcast.net> Hi, Melissa, See what I have written previously about nihongo tenji. And, while I am know expert, hell, I can't even read braille due to a case of tactile appraxia I know the hiragana/katakana, symbols in Japanese language. In that post, I left my contacts so if you wanna know more, hopefully you know what to do! CarAt 06:08 PM 8/24/2012, Melissa Hambleton wrote: >I have also wanted to learn Japanese but, I have only learned very >little since I don't know how to go about making the characters or >Japanese Braille. > >Perhaps we can come up with something together or maybe someone else >has an idea of what to do. > >Melissa >----- Original Message ----- From: "David Andrews" >To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 5:14 PM >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Japanese > > >>What difference does it make to you. Why can't people just answer >>the question that was asked -- or if they don't have an answer then >>don't respond. >> >>Dave >> >>At 01:52 PM 8/24/2012, you wrote: >>>Hi Lindsay. >>>If you don't mind me asking, why are you wanting to learn Japanese? >>>Thanks, Joshua >>>________________________________________ >>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on >>>behalf of Lindsay Yazzolino [lindsay3.14 at gmail.com] >>>Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 1:48 PM >>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Japanese >>> >>>Hi All, >>> >>>I am curious as to whether there is anyone on this list who has >>>studied Japanese. I am just beginning to learn the language, and >>>am curious as to how others have learned to efficiently produce >>>Hiragana and Konji characters. While I believe I have made some >>>progress in determining how to type Japanese using the >>>language-specific input keyboard for Hiragana characters, I still >>>have a number of questions for those who are more proficient in >>>the language. Also, is anyone here familiar with the Japanese >>>Braille system, and if so, how often do you use it? Any >>>tips/thoughts would be very much appreciated. i would be very >>>interested in connecting with other blind people who know >>>Japanese. Thanks in advance for any help! >>>Best, >>>Lindsay >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mysticalcharm%40comcast.net >> >> >>----- >>No virus found in this message. >>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5220 - Release Date: 08/23/12 > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From carlymih at comcast.net Sat Aug 25 03:47:35 2012 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 20:47:35 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Japanese In-Reply-To: References: <66415750-286B-4AC4-A2B7-078770B3C0DD@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20120824204440.01c1a7a0@comcast.net> Hi, Josh, I studied Japanese language in high school myself and, I'm curious, do you have some problemyou have yet to identify, with that subject??does it make to you. Why can't people just answer the question that was asked -- or if they don't have an answer then don't respond. >Dave > >At 01:52 PM 8/24/2012, you wrote: >>Hi Lindsay. >>If you don't mind me asking, why are you wanting to learn Japanese? >>Thanks, Joshua >>________________________________________ >>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on >>behalf of Lindsay Yazzolino [lindsay3.14 at gmail.com] >>Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 1:48 PM >>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Japanese >> >>Hi All, >> >>I am curious as to whether there is anyone on this list who has >>studied Japanese. I am just beginning to learn the language, and am >>curious as to how others have learned to efficiently produce >>Hiragana and Konji characters. While I believe I have made some >>progress in determining how to type Japanese using the >>language-specific input keyboard for Hiragana characters, I still >>have a number of questions for those who are more proficient in the >>language. Also, is anyone here familiar with the Japanese Braille >>system, and if so, how often do you use it? Any tips/thoughts >>would be very much appreciated. i would be very interested in >>connecting with other blind people who know Japanese. Thanks in >>advance for any help! >>Best, >>Lindsay > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Sat Aug 25 03:51:33 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 03:51:33 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Japanese In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20120824204440.01c1a7a0@comcast.net> References: <66415750-286B-4AC4-A2B7-078770B3C0DD@gmail.com> , <7.0.1.0.2.20120824204440.01c1a7a0@comcast.net> Message-ID: Japanese isn't spoken much in this country. If you want to study a foreign language, that's used here frequently, Spanish would be a better alternative, (IMO.) Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Carly Mihalakis [carlymih at comcast.net] Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 10:47 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Japanese Hi, Josh, I studied Japanese language in high school myself and, I'm curious, do you have some problemyou have yet to identify, with that subject??does it make to you. Why can't people just answer the question that was asked -- or if they don't have an answer then don't respond. >Dave > >At 01:52 PM 8/24/2012, you wrote: >>Hi Lindsay. >>If you don't mind me asking, why are you wanting to learn Japanese? >>Thanks, Joshua >>________________________________________ >>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on >>behalf of Lindsay Yazzolino [lindsay3.14 at gmail.com] >>Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 1:48 PM >>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Japanese >> >>Hi All, >> >>I am curious as to whether there is anyone on this list who has >>studied Japanese. I am just beginning to learn the language, and am >>curious as to how others have learned to efficiently produce >>Hiragana and Konji characters. While I believe I have made some >>progress in determining how to type Japanese using the >>language-specific input keyboard for Hiragana characters, I still >>have a number of questions for those who are more proficient in the >>language. Also, is anyone here familiar with the Japanese Braille >>system, and if so, how often do you use it? Any tips/thoughts >>would be very much appreciated. i would be very interested in >>connecting with other blind people who know Japanese. Thanks in >>advance for any help! >>Best, >>Lindsay > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From carlymih at comcast.net Sat Aug 25 04:01:16 2012 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 21:01:16 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Japanese In-Reply-To: References: <66415750-286B-4AC4-A2B7-078770B3C0DD@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20120824204440.01c1a7a0@comcast.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20120824205956.01c12ca0@comcast.net> Hi, Josh, Remember, people have their reasons and everyone and his brother, studies Spanish!At 08:51 PM 8/24/2012, Joshua Lester wrote: >Japanese isn't spoken much in this country. >If you want to study a foreign language, that's used here >frequently, Spanish would be a better alternative, (IMO.) >Blessings, Joshua >________________________________________ >From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on >behalf of Carly Mihalakis [carlymih at comcast.net] >Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 10:47 PM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; National >Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Japanese > >Hi, Josh, > >I studied Japanese language in high school myself and, I'm >curious, do you have some problemyou have yet to identify, with >that subject??does it make to you. Why can't people just answer the >question that was asked -- or if they don't have an answer then don't respond. > > >Dave > > > >At 01:52 PM 8/24/2012, you wrote: > >>Hi Lindsay. > >>If you don't mind me asking, why are you wanting to learn Japanese? > >>Thanks, Joshua > >>________________________________________ > >>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on > >>behalf of Lindsay Yazzolino [lindsay3.14 at gmail.com] > >>Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 1:48 PM > >>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >>Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Japanese > >> > >>Hi All, > >> > >>I am curious as to whether there is anyone on this list who has > >>studied Japanese. I am just beginning to learn the language, and am > >>curious as to how others have learned to efficiently produce > >>Hiragana and Konji characters. While I believe I have made some > >>progress in determining how to type Japanese using the > >>language-specific input keyboard for Hiragana characters, I still > >>have a number of questions for those who are more proficient in the > >>language. Also, is anyone here familiar with the Japanese Braille > >>system, and if so, how often do you use it? Any tips/thoughts > >>would be very much appreciated. i would be very interested in > >>connecting with other blind people who know Japanese. Thanks in > >>advance for any help! > >>Best, > >>Lindsay > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >nabs-l mailing list > >nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From carlymih at comcast.net Sat Aug 25 04:16:08 2012 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 21:16:08 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Japanese In-Reply-To: <87D1A728-E26E-4188-8E48-BC8F57B68FFC@gmail.com> References: <66415750-286B-4AC4-A2B7-078770B3C0DD@gmail.com> <87D1A728-E26E-4188-8E48-BC8F57B68FFC@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20120824211322.01c21130@comcast.net> Hi, Lindsay, In fact, nihongo benkyoshimashita kokode (I studied Japanese language for 4 years in high school) and, as it turns out, you can expresss the Japanese caracters in terms of hiragana, tenji (braillle.) If you want the code, contact me at 408-209-3239 and I'll tell you. At 12:00 PM 8/24/2012, Lavonya Gardner wrote: >Iapamese freaking rules > >Sent from my iPad > >On Aug 24, 2012, at 14:52, Joshua Lester > wrote: > > > Hi Lindsay. > > If you don't mind me asking, why are you wanting to learn Japanese? > > Thanks, Joshua > > ________________________________________ > > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on > behalf of Lindsay Yazzolino [lindsay3.14 at gmail.com] > > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 1:48 PM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Japanese > > > > Hi All, > > > > I am curious as to whether there is anyone on this list who has > studied Japanese. I am just beginning to learn the language, and am > curious as to how others have learned to efficiently produce > Hiragana and Konji characters. While I believe I have made some > progress in determining how to type Japanese using the > language-specific input keyboard for Hiragana characters, I still > have a number of questions for those who are more proficient in the > language. Also, is anyone here familiar with the Japanese Braille > system, and if so, how often do you use it? Any tips/thoughts > would be very much appreciated. i would be very interested in > connecting with other blind people who know Japanese. Thanks in > advance for any help! > > Best, > > Lindsay > > > > Lindsay Yazzolino > > Program Coordinator, > > Massachusetts Eye and Ear Infirmary > > Research Assistant, Massachusetts Institute of Technology > > Lindsay3.14 at gmail.com > > Follow me on Twitter: @GrammarGlamor > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From mysticalcharm at comcast.net Sat Aug 25 04:36:08 2012 From: mysticalcharm at comcast.net (Melissa Hambleton) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 00:36:08 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Japanese References: <66415750-286B-4AC4-A2B7-078770B3C0DD@gmail.com>, <7.0.1.0.2.20120824204440.01c1a7a0@comcast.net> Message-ID: <029c01cd827b$259bfae0$0201a8c0@bfa617c5f939410> One of the Holistic Healing methods I have studied and also have gotten certified in that is an energy method is Usui Reikie and the language that is used is Japanese. I have wanted to study up on the Japanese language since then. Even though it is an interest, there is nothing wrong with pursuing an interest because people do that all the time and this is no different. Yes, Spanish is spoken the most but, I don't have to study it right now, I prefer learning something of choice. Melissa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 11:51 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Japanese > Japanese isn't spoken much in this country. > If you want to study a foreign language, that's used here frequently, > Spanish would be a better alternative, (IMO.) > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of > Carly Mihalakis [carlymih at comcast.net] > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 10:47 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; National > Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Japanese > > Hi, Josh, > > I studied Japanese language in high school myself and, I'm > curious, do you have some problemyou have yet to identify, with > that subject??does it make to you. Why can't people just answer the > question that was asked -- or if they don't have an answer then don't > respond. > >>Dave >> >>At 01:52 PM 8/24/2012, you wrote: >>>Hi Lindsay. >>>If you don't mind me asking, why are you wanting to learn Japanese? >>>Thanks, Joshua >>>________________________________________ >>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on >>>behalf of Lindsay Yazzolino [lindsay3.14 at gmail.com] >>>Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 1:48 PM >>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Japanese >>> >>>Hi All, >>> >>>I am curious as to whether there is anyone on this list who has >>>studied Japanese. I am just beginning to learn the language, and am >>>curious as to how others have learned to efficiently produce >>>Hiragana and Konji characters. While I believe I have made some >>>progress in determining how to type Japanese using the >>>language-specific input keyboard for Hiragana characters, I still >>>have a number of questions for those who are more proficient in the >>>language. Also, is anyone here familiar with the Japanese Braille >>>system, and if so, how often do you use it? Any tips/thoughts >>>would be very much appreciated. i would be very interested in >>>connecting with other blind people who know Japanese. Thanks in >>>advance for any help! >>>Best, >>>Lindsay >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mysticalcharm%40comcast.net > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5222 - Release Date: 08/24/12 > From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Sat Aug 25 11:50:38 2012 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail CMT) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 08:50:38 -0300 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Japanese In-Reply-To: <029c01cd827b$259bfae0$0201a8c0@bfa617c5f939410> References: <66415750-286B-4AC4-A2B7-078770B3C0DD@gmail.com>, <7.0.1.0.2.20120824204440.01c1a7a0@comcast.net> <029c01cd827b$259bfae0$0201a8c0@bfa617c5f939410> Message-ID: <95CD6B2E3FCC4FF68363D4EC2264CD60@userPC> Hi Malissa, I am also a reiki practitioner. That is the type of reiki I learned as well. Rania, -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Melissa Hambleton Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 1:36 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Japanese One of the Holistic Healing methods I have studied and also have gotten certified in that is an energy method is Usui Reikie and the language that is used is Japanese. I have wanted to study up on the Japanese language since then. Even though it is an interest, there is nothing wrong with pursuing an interest because people do that all the time and this is no different. Yes, Spanish is spoken the most but, I don't have to study it right now, I prefer learning something of choice. Melissa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 11:51 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Japanese > Japanese isn't spoken much in this country. > If you want to study a foreign language, that's used here frequently, > Spanish would be a better alternative, (IMO.) > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of > Carly Mihalakis [carlymih at comcast.net] > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 10:47 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; National > Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Japanese > > Hi, Josh, > > I studied Japanese language in high school myself and, I'm > curious, do you have some problemyou have yet to identify, with > that subject??does it make to you. Why can't people just answer the > question that was asked -- or if they don't have an answer then don't > respond. > >>Dave >> >>At 01:52 PM 8/24/2012, you wrote: >>>Hi Lindsay. >>>If you don't mind me asking, why are you wanting to learn Japanese? >>>Thanks, Joshua >>>________________________________________ >>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on >>>behalf of Lindsay Yazzolino [lindsay3.14 at gmail.com] >>>Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 1:48 PM >>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Japanese >>> >>>Hi All, >>> >>>I am curious as to whether there is anyone on this list who has >>>studied Japanese. I am just beginning to learn the language, and am >>>curious as to how others have learned to efficiently produce >>>Hiragana and Konji characters. While I believe I have made some >>>progress in determining how to type Japanese using the >>>language-specific input keyboard for Hiragana characters, I still >>>have a number of questions for those who are more proficient in the >>>language. Also, is anyone here familiar with the Japanese Braille >>>system, and if so, how often do you use it? Any tips/thoughts >>>would be very much appreciated. i would be very interested in >>>connecting with other blind people who know Japanese. Thanks in >>>advance for any help! >>>Best, >>>Lindsay >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.o nmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mysticalcharm%40comcast. net > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5222 - Release Date: 08/24/12 > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co m From lilrichie411 at gmail.com Sat Aug 25 18:14:43 2012 From: lilrichie411 at gmail.com (Jordan Richardson) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 13:14:43 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] LSAT Accommodations Question Message-ID: <2701EAF0-4CF0-42D2-91AE-B0139CB74C6B@gmail.com> Hi all, On the LSAT Accommodations form there is a page that asks for permission to release accommodations information along with LSAT reports. What would you guys reccommend I do? What have you done? Is there any way in which releasing this information would be helpful? Thank you, Jordan Richardson Sent from my iPod From arielle71 at gmail.com Sat Aug 25 20:59:25 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 14:59:25 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] LSAT Accommodations Question In-Reply-To: <2701EAF0-4CF0-42D2-91AE-B0139CB74C6B@gmail.com> References: <2701EAF0-4CF0-42D2-91AE-B0139CB74C6B@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Jordan, I am not a law student but my intuition is not to let the Law School Admissions Council release accommodations info to schools you apply to. If for some reason you decide later on that you would like to tell a school what accommodations you used, you can always do that on your own terms, but if you let them release this information, you have less control over how or when the information is released. My general philosophy when applying for competitive programs like law school or grad school is not to talk about blindness at all unless it's directly relevant (i.e. I do research on blindness, so I'd talk about that research on job applications). You don't want to give the impression that your grades or scores should be judged against a different standard than everyone else's because you used accommodations. Otherwise, you risk putting doubts in the minds of admissions committees about whether or not you are really a competitive applicant. The only reason I would advocate discussing accommodations is if you feel you were not accommodated well, or if you received poor grades due to resource deficiencies at your college, or skill deficiencies you had at the time that you have since overcome. Arielle On 8/25/12, Jordan Richardson wrote: > Hi all, > On the LSAT Accommodations form there is a page that asks for permission to > release accommodations information along with LSAT reports. What would you > guys reccommend I do? What have you done? Is there any way in which > releasing this information would be helpful? > > Thank you, > Jordan Richardson > > Sent from my iPod > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From arielle71 at gmail.com Sat Aug 25 21:51:35 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 15:51:35 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] GRE Prep In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gloria, ETS has several forms of accessible practice materials. Contact Ruth Loew at rloew at ets.org for more details. Good luck! Arielle On 8/24/12, Gloria G wrote: > Hi all, > I was wondering if anyone could provide me information as to where I might > start looking for practice materials for the GRE? Thanks! > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From rloew at ETS.ORG Sun Aug 26 00:47:52 2012 From: rloew at ETS.ORG (Loew, Ruth) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 00:47:52 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] GRE Prep Message-ID: <8EA502864A9DCA49858B3C4E76F45D8A02456C@BL2PRD0711MB409.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> Hi -- I'm the Assistant Director of the ETS Office of Disability Policy and a lurker on this list. Go to http://www.ets.org/gre/revised_general/prepare/disabilities for a complete list of accessible practice materials for the GRE General Test. Many of the materials are downloadable. Those that aren't downloadable, such as hard-copy braille, can be requested from Disability Services; their contact information is near the top of the page on this website, in the first full paragraph. If you have further questions, please feel free to contact me on- or off-list. Ruth Loew Assistant Director, Office of Disability Policy, ETS rloew at ets.org From alexander.kaiser at myacc.net Sun Aug 26 04:47:27 2012 From: alexander.kaiser at myacc.net (Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 00:47:27 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Conklin center question: very immediate response is fully requested and fully needed Message-ID: Attention Fellow Nabs Members: Hi my name is Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser. Has anyone completed the adult program at the Conklin Center for the blind, or do you know of anyone who has graduated from the Conklin Center for the Blind? If so I would like to know what to expect and if the program is as successful as the conklin center staff members say it is or if they are providing bogus reports just so they can hold national accreditation and receive continuous state funding from the Florida Division of Blind Services year after year. Do you know of anyone of whom who has graduated from the Conklin Center for the Blind adult program who says that the Conklin Center for the Blind prepared them for lifetime success? Has anyone complained to the Florida division of Blind Services about how basic the training at the Conklin Center is and of whom made the statements to the FDBS? Is the program at the conklin center for the Blind able to teach at as high enough intensity as the CCB, lcb and blind Incorporated? Does the conklin Center for the Blind focus too much on adjustment to blindness, and what does the conklin center require for educating and rehabilitating its clients? Are any of the courses at conklin taught by blind or Visually Impaired mentors? Is the program at the Conklin center teaching proper skills for advancement in life? Do they prohibit college attendence? Do I need to have corespondence through Hadley School for the Blind in order to learn the nemeth Code, the Unified english braille code, the braille music code, the shorthand notetaking braille code, complex orientation and mobility skills and advanced skills in personal management and home management while attending the Conklin Center for the Blind? I nneed to know as immediately as possible because I am attending a 2 week evaluation at their facility and I need to know if the program provides adequate training in the alternative skills of blindness so I can provide supporting defense for my letter to my DBS councelor. Am I better off going to the Colorado Center for the Blind after the evaluation at the conklin center for the Blind is over? My evaluation start date at the Conklin Center for the Blind is set for september 4, 2012. An immediate response is greatly appreciated. If you know anyone who has attended the conklin center for the Blind's program in it's whole entirety . please have them contact me. I can be contacted off list regarding this matter. My off list contact information is below: Email address: alexander.kaiser at myacc.net homephone number: 1 9 5 4 8 0 0 7 0 6 9 cellphone number: 1 9 5 4 5 9 4 2 7 1 0. I am graciously seeking your feedback. Please write back as immediately as possible. Thank you for your time and consideration. Sincerely, Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser From alexander.kaiser at myacc.net Sun Aug 26 05:00:54 2012 From: alexander.kaiser at myacc.net (Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 01:00:54 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Conklin center question: very immediate response is fully requested and fully needed Message-ID: Attention Fellow Nabs Members: Hi my name is Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser. Has anyone completed the adult program at the Conklin Center for the blind, or do you know of anyone who has graduated from the Conklin Center for the Blind? If so I would like to know what to expect and if the program is as successful as the conklin center staff members say it is or if they are providing bogus reports just so they can hold national accreditation and receive continuous state funding from the Florida Division of Blind Services year after year. Do you know of anyone of whom who has graduated from the Conklin Center for the Blind adult program who says that the Conklin Center for the Blind prepared them for lifetime success? Has anyone complained to the Florida division of Blind Services about how basic the training at the Conklin Center is and of whom made the statements to the FDBS? Is the program at the conklin center for the Blind able to teach at as high enough intensity as the CCB, lcb and blind Incorporated? Does the conklin Center for the Blind focus too much on adjustment to blindness, and what does the conklin center require for educating and rehabilitating its clients? Are any of the courses at conklin taught by blind or Visually Impaired mentors? Is the program at the Conklin center teaching proper skills for advancement in life? Do they prohibit college attendence? Do I need to have corespondence through Hadley School for the Blind in order to learn the nemeth Code, the Unified english braille code, the braille music code, the shorthand notetaking braille code, complex orientation and mobility skills and advanced skills in personal management and home management while attending the Conklin Center for the Blind? I nneed to know as immediately as possible because I am attending a 2 week evaluation at their facility and I need to know if the program provides adequate training in the alternative skills of blindness so I can provide supporting defense for my letter to my DBS councelor. Am I better off going to the Colorado Center for the Blind after the evaluation at the conklin center for the Blind is over? My evaluation start date at the Conklin Center for the Blind is set for september 4, 2012. An immediate response is greatly appreciated. If you know anyone who has attended the conklin center for the Blind's program in it's whole entirety . please have them contact me. I can be contacted off list regarding this matter. My off list contact information is below: Email address: alexander.kaiser at myacc.net homephone number: 1 9 5 4 8 0 0 7 0 6 9 cellphone number: 1 9 5 4 5 9 4 2 7 1 0. I am graciously seeking your feedback. Please write back as immediately as possible. Thank you for your time and consideration. Sincerely, Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Aug 26 14:23:21 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 10:23:21 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Conklin center question: very immediate response is fullyrequested and fully needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9B60072AFB6D453F80CEE019C4016201@OwnerPC> Alexander, You've asked this before and from lack of responses I guess no one went there. If you are really going there, you will get a sense of their expectations, what students learn and how involved the training is. You can ask students yourself in the dorm what its like. Its probably not as intense as Colorado, but it depends on your needs if this center will help you. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 1:00 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Conklin center question: very immediate response is fullyrequested and fully needed Attention Fellow Nabs Members: Hi my name is Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser. Has anyone completed the adult program at the Conklin Center for the blind, or do you know of anyone who has graduated from the Conklin Center for the Blind? If so I would like to know what to expect and if the program is as successful as the conklin center staff members say it is or if they are providing bogus reports just so they can hold national accreditation and receive continuous state funding from the Florida Division of Blind Services year after year. Do you know of anyone of whom who has graduated from the Conklin Center for the Blind adult program who says that the Conklin Center for the Blind prepared them for lifetime success? Has anyone complained to the Florida division of Blind Services about how basic the training at the Conklin Center is and of whom made the statements to the FDBS? Is the program at the conklin center for the Blind able to teach at as high enough intensity as the CCB, lcb and blind Incorporated? Does the conklin Center for the Blind focus too much on adjustment to blindness, and what does the conklin center require for educating and rehabilitating its clients? Are any of the courses at conklin taught by blind or Visually Impaired mentors? Is the program at the Conklin center teaching proper skills for advancement in life? Do they prohibit college attendence? Do I need to have corespondence through Hadley School for the Blind in order to learn the nemeth Code, the Unified english braille code, the braille music code, the shorthand notetaking braille code, complex orientation and mobility skills and advanced skills in personal management and home management while attending the Conklin Center for the Blind? I nneed to know as immediately as possible because I am attending a 2 week evaluation at their facility and I need to know if the program provides adequate training in the alternative skills of blindness so I can provide supporting defense for my letter to my DBS councelor. Am I better off going to the Colorado Center for the Blind after the evaluation at the conklin center for the Blind is over? My evaluation start date at the Conklin Center for the Blind is set for september 4, 2012. An immediate response is greatly appreciated. If you know anyone who has attended the conklin center for the Blind's program in it's whole entirety . please have them contact me. I can be contacted off list regarding this matter. My off list contact information is below: Email address: alexander.kaiser at myacc.net homephone number: 1 9 5 4 8 0 0 7 0 6 9 cellphone number: 1 9 5 4 5 9 4 2 7 1 0. I am graciously seeking your feedback. Please write back as immediately as possible. Thank you for your time and consideration. Sincerely, Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From sjhhirst at gmail.com Sun Aug 26 18:06:15 2012 From: sjhhirst at gmail.com (Stephanie H. DeLuca) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 13:06:15 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] learning braille Message-ID: Hello all, I was wondering how one goes about learning braille as an adult. I'm 27 and have been reading print all of my life because I do have enough vision to do that. However, I'm regretting not learning it when I was a child. Well, I did learn the alphabet, but not really much further than that. What are the steps one takes to learn braille? Do you go through vocational rehab? I don't necessarily want to take time off to go t a living center, but I think weekly lessons or something would be fine. Thanks! Stephanie In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Sun Aug 26 18:15:12 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 18:15:12 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] learning braille In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'd learn through the NFB program. I wouldn't deal with VR, because they're only working with college students, and such. If you're in college, just remember, that VR is slow, sometimes. Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Stephanie H. DeLuca [sjhhirst at gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 1:06 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] learning braille Hello all, I was wondering how one goes about learning braille as an adult. I'm 27 and have been reading print all of my life because I do have enough vision to do that. However, I'm regretting not learning it when I was a child. Well, I did learn the alphabet, but not really much further than that. What are the steps one takes to learn braille? Do you go through vocational rehab? I don't necessarily want to take time off to go t a living center, but I think weekly lessons or something would be fine. Thanks! Stephanie In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From sjhhirst at gmail.com Sun Aug 26 18:24:57 2012 From: sjhhirst at gmail.com (Stephanie DeLuca) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 13:24:57 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] learning braille In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8D1C1CF5-A007-47DB-A766-78AC23A6064D@gmail.com> Yeah, I guess the problem is that I can't really afford to take off 6-9 months to go to a training center. I know that everyone will advocate that, but I don't really want to do that. On Aug 26, 2012, at 1:15 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > I'd learn through the NFB program. > I wouldn't deal with VR, because they're only working with college students, and such. > If you're in college, just remember, that VR is slow, sometimes. > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Stephanie H. DeLuca [sjhhirst at gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 1:06 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] learning braille > > Hello all, > > I was wondering how one goes about learning braille as an adult. I'm 27 > and have been reading print all of my life because I do have enough vision > to do that. However, I'm regretting not learning it when I was a child. > Well, I did learn the alphabet, but not really much further than that. > What are the steps one takes to learn braille? Do you go through > vocational rehab? I don't necessarily want to take time off to go t a > living center, but I think weekly lessons or something would be fine. > Thanks! > > Stephanie > > In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. > ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Sun Aug 26 18:30:05 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 18:30:05 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] learning braille In-Reply-To: <8D1C1CF5-A007-47DB-A766-78AC23A6064D@gmail.com> References: , <8D1C1CF5-A007-47DB-A766-78AC23A6064D@gmail.com> Message-ID: This is a corespondence course from Hadley! Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Stephanie DeLuca [sjhhirst at gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 1:24 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] learning braille Yeah, I guess the problem is that I can't really afford to take off 6-9 months to go to a training center. I know that everyone will advocate that, but I don't really want to do that. On Aug 26, 2012, at 1:15 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > I'd learn through the NFB program. > I wouldn't deal with VR, because they're only working with college students, and such. > If you're in college, just remember, that VR is slow, sometimes. > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Stephanie H. DeLuca [sjhhirst at gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 1:06 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] learning braille > > Hello all, > > I was wondering how one goes about learning braille as an adult. I'm 27 > and have been reading print all of my life because I do have enough vision > to do that. However, I'm regretting not learning it when I was a child. > Well, I did learn the alphabet, but not really much further than that. > What are the steps one takes to learn braille? Do you go through > vocational rehab? I don't necessarily want to take time off to go t a > living center, but I think weekly lessons or something would be fine. > Thanks! > > Stephanie > > In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. > ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From sjhhirst at gmail.com Sun Aug 26 18:41:25 2012 From: sjhhirst at gmail.com (Stephanie DeLuca) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 13:41:25 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] learning braille In-Reply-To: References: , <8D1C1CF5-A007-47DB-A766-78AC23A6064D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9A320CD4-B5DA-40A6-8845-A64B0CCAB3D4@gmail.com> Ohhh I have heard of it. Do you have experience with them? How does it work? On Aug 26, 2012, at 1:30 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > This is a corespondence course from Hadley! > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Stephanie DeLuca [sjhhirst at gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 1:24 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] learning braille > > Yeah, I guess the problem is that I can't really afford to take off 6-9 months to go to a training center. I know that everyone will advocate that, but I don't really want to do that. > > On Aug 26, 2012, at 1:15 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > >> I'd learn through the NFB program. >> I wouldn't deal with VR, because they're only working with college students, and such. >> If you're in college, just remember, that VR is slow, sometimes. >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Stephanie H. DeLuca [sjhhirst at gmail.com] >> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 1:06 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] learning braille >> >> Hello all, >> >> I was wondering how one goes about learning braille as an adult. I'm 27 >> and have been reading print all of my life because I do have enough vision >> to do that. However, I'm regretting not learning it when I was a child. >> Well, I did learn the alphabet, but not really much further than that. >> What are the steps one takes to learn braille? Do you go through >> vocational rehab? I don't necessarily want to take time off to go t a >> living center, but I think weekly lessons or something would be fine. >> Thanks! >> >> Stephanie >> >> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Sun Aug 26 20:34:40 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 14:34:40 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] learning braille In-Reply-To: <9A320CD4-B5DA-40A6-8845-A64B0CCAB3D4@gmail.com> References: <8D1C1CF5-A007-47DB-A766-78AC23A6064D@gmail.com> <9A320CD4-B5DA-40A6-8845-A64B0CCAB3D4@gmail.com> Message-ID: HiStephanie, I applaud you on wanting to take the initiative to learn Braille and I completely understand not wanting to go to a center for 6-9 months. Many of us did it but it's not for everyone especially if you have other work or school (or family/personal) commitments at present. I don't know much about Hadley but I'd definitely suggest searching their website for Braille courses to find out more. If you are a member of an NFB chapter, you might also ask if anyone would be willing to work with you either as a student in the Hadley course or as a volunteer instructor giving you materials to read and offering feedback on your reading. Do you still remember the alphabet? Arielle On 8/26/12, Stephanie DeLuca wrote: > Ohhh I have heard of it. Do you have experience with them? How does it > work? > > On Aug 26, 2012, at 1:30 PM, Joshua Lester > wrote: > >> This is a corespondence course from Hadley! >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >> Stephanie DeLuca [sjhhirst at gmail.com] >> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 1:24 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] learning braille >> >> Yeah, I guess the problem is that I can't really afford to take off 6-9 >> months to go to a training center. I know that everyone will advocate >> that, but I don't really want to do that. >> >> On Aug 26, 2012, at 1:15 PM, Joshua Lester >> wrote: >> >>> I'd learn through the NFB program. >>> I wouldn't deal with VR, because they're only working with college >>> students, and such. >>> If you're in college, just remember, that VR is slow, sometimes. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >>> Stephanie H. DeLuca [sjhhirst at gmail.com] >>> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 1:06 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] learning braille >>> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> I was wondering how one goes about learning braille as an adult. I'm 27 >>> and have been reading print all of my life because I do have enough >>> vision >>> to do that. However, I'm regretting not learning it when I was a child. >>> Well, I did learn the alphabet, but not really much further than that. >>> What are the steps one takes to learn braille? Do you go through >>> vocational rehab? I don't necessarily want to take time off to go t a >>> living center, but I think weekly lessons or something would be fine. >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Stephanie >>> >>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Aug 26 20:47:59 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 16:47:59 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] a very successful protest in Baltimore Message-ID: <009c01cd83cc$14e80750$3eb815f0$@gmail.com> Hi fellow Federationists, I am very happy to report, as John Pare did on the NFB of Maryland list, that we had a very successful protest at the Goodwill store in downtown Baltimore, Maryland. I was very happy to be a part of this protest. We handed out many flyers and got the attension of many people who saw us as they were passing the Goodwill store, and even convinced some people not to shop at the Goodwill when they heard about that company's policy of paying workers with disabilities subminimum wages. Although nobody who worked at the store actually came out and talked to us, they most definitely saw us and were looking at us and our signs. I didn't personally see or get to talk to anybody from the local Baltimore media, although I did see a reporter from an online publication called Working in These Times and heard most of the interview he conducted with our public relations director and our Greater Baltimore chapter President Chris Danielsen. We have a lot of pictures and updates from our protest which were posted on the NFB Facebook page for anybody who is interested; in fact, my profile picture on Facebook is a picture of me holding my sign and marching in the protest. All in all, it was both a fun and a successful protest, and to top it off, Dr. Maurer and some of the national center staff took us all out to dinner at the Green Turtle (a bar/restaurant chain exclusive to Maryland) across the street from the protest cite afterwards! A good time was had by all! I would be very interested to hear reports of other protests conducted by other chapters in Maryland and our other affiliates around the country. Did you get the public's attension? Did you convince some people not to shop at the Goodwill store at which you were protesting? Did you receive any media attension? I look forward to hearing your reports! Chris Nusbaum From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Aug 26 20:55:24 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 16:55:24 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] learning braille In-Reply-To: References: <8D1C1CF5-A007-47DB-A766-78AC23A6064D@gmail.com> <9A320CD4-B5DA-40A6-8845-A64B0CCAB3D4@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00a401cd83cd$1e3ab270$5ab01750$@gmail.com> Hi Stephanie, I too commend you on taking the initiative and deciding to learn Braille. It will definitely open up a whole new world to you when you have learned it! What state do you live in? Some NFB chapters, as well as other organizations, offer weekly Braille classes for blind people who are learning Braille. You may want to find out if an organization in your state offers this service. Your state's NFB affiliate President will probably know this, so he/she would be a good person to contact. Hadley is also a good option. I would definitely do what Arielle and others have suggested and check out Hadley's Web site Hope this helps, Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle Silverman Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 4:35 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] learning braille HiStephanie, I applaud you on wanting to take the initiative to learn Braille and I completely understand not wanting to go to a center for 6-9 months. Many of us did it but it's not for everyone especially if you have other work or school (or family/personal) commitments at present. I don't know much about Hadley but I'd definitely suggest searching their website for Braille courses to find out more. If you are a member of an NFB chapter, you might also ask if anyone would be willing to work with you either as a student in the Hadley course or as a volunteer instructor giving you materials to read and offering feedback on your reading. Do you still remember the alphabet? Arielle On 8/26/12, Stephanie DeLuca wrote: > Ohhh I have heard of it. Do you have experience with them? How does > it work? > > On Aug 26, 2012, at 1:30 PM, Joshua Lester > wrote: > >> This is a corespondence course from Hadley! >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf >> of Stephanie DeLuca [sjhhirst at gmail.com] >> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 1:24 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] learning braille >> >> Yeah, I guess the problem is that I can't really afford to take off >> 6-9 months to go to a training center. I know that everyone will >> advocate that, but I don't really want to do that. >> >> On Aug 26, 2012, at 1:15 PM, Joshua Lester >> wrote: >> >>> I'd learn through the NFB program. >>> I wouldn't deal with VR, because they're only working with college >>> students, and such. >>> If you're in college, just remember, that VR is slow, sometimes. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on >>> behalf of Stephanie H. DeLuca [sjhhirst at gmail.com] >>> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 1:06 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] learning braille >>> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> I was wondering how one goes about learning braille as an adult. >>> I'm 27 and have been reading print all of my life because I do have >>> enough vision to do that. However, I'm regretting not learning it >>> when I was a child. >>> Well, I did learn the alphabet, but not really much further than that. >>> What are the steps one takes to learn braille? Do you go through >>> vocational rehab? I don't necessarily want to take time off to go t >>> a living center, but I think weekly lessons or something would be fine. >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Stephanie >>> >>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pc >>> cuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail >>> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pcc >> uaedu.onmicrosoft.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail. >> com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail. > com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From gloria.graves at gmail.com Sun Aug 26 21:11:04 2012 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 16:11:04 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] GRE Prep References: Message-ID: Thank you! I will check into this lead. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] GRE Prep > Hi Gloria, > ETS has several forms of accessible practice materials. Contact Ruth Loew > at > rloew at ets.org > for more details. Good luck! > Arielle > > On 8/24/12, Gloria G wrote: >> Hi all, >> I was wondering if anyone could provide me information as to where I >> might >> start looking for practice materials for the GRE? Thanks! >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From gloria.graves at gmail.com Sun Aug 26 21:12:00 2012 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 16:12:00 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] GRE Prep References: <8EA502864A9DCA49858B3C4E76F45D8A02456C@BL2PRD0711MB409.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: Thank you very mucha ----- Original Message ----- From: "Loew, Ruth" To: Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 7:47 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] GRE Prep > Hi -- I'm the Assistant Director of the ETS Office of Disability Policy > and a lurker on this list. > > Go to http://www.ets.org/gre/revised_general/prepare/disabilities for a > complete list of accessible practice materials for the GRE General Test. > Many of the materials are downloadable. Those that aren't downloadable, > such as hard-copy braille, can be requested from Disability Services; > their contact information is near the top of the page on this website, in > the first full paragraph. > > If you have further questions, please feel free to contact me on- or > off-list. > > Ruth Loew > Assistant Director, Office of Disability Policy, ETS > rloew at ets.org > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Sun Aug 26 21:39:02 2012 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 15:39:02 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] a very successful protest in Baltimore Message-ID: <503a9793.8124320a.7ad8.ffff8b46@mx.google.com> We had a protest in Denver, but I did not get to do it because I was busy with stuff. I live in Aurora now with frinds, but it's hard to do anything around the neighborhood because the streets are confusing and too narrow for anybody to walk on. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" , , ,"'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'", , References: <503a9793.8124320a.7ad8.ffff8b46@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I participated in a protest outside the Stoneridge plaza Goodwill store in Greece, New York(a suburb of city of Rochester, NY in the upstate New York area) yesterday. We had two groups which one was with posters on the sidewalk which was public property while another was handing out flyers in the plaza area. It was a great event overall because many car drivers read the posters, honked their horns, and cheered. I hope the rest who participated in protests near their Goodwill stores went successful as well:) On 8/26/12, Beth wrote: > We had a protest in Denver, but I did not get to do it because I > was busy with stuff. I live in Aurora now with frinds, but it's > hard to do anything around the neighborhood because the streets > are confusing and too narrow for anybody to walk on. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Nusbaum" To: , , > ,"'National Association of Blind Students > mailing list'", , > Date sent: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 16:47:59 -0400 > Subject: [nabs-l] a very successful protest in Baltimore > > Hi fellow Federationists, > > > > I am very happy to report, as John Pare did on the NFB of > Maryland list, > that we had a very successful protest at the Goodwill store in > downtown > Baltimore, Maryland. I was very happy to be a part of this > protest. We > handed out many flyers and got the attension of many people who > saw us as > they were passing the Goodwill store, and even convinced some > people not to > shop at the Goodwill when they heard about that company's policy > of paying > workers with disabilities subminimum wages. Although nobody who > worked at > the store actually came out and talked to us, they most > definitely saw us > and were looking at us and our signs. I didn't personally see or > get to talk > to anybody from the local Baltimore media, although I did see a > reporter > from an online publication called Working in These Times and > heard most of > the interview he conducted with our public relations director and > our > Greater Baltimore chapter President Chris Danielsen. We have a > lot of > pictures and updates from our protest which were posted on the > NFB Facebook > page for anybody who is interested; in fact, my profile picture > on Facebook > is a picture of me holding my sign and marching in the protest. > All in all, > it was both a fun and a successful protest, and to top it off, > Dr. Maurer > and some of the national center staff took us all out to dinner > at the Green > Turtle (a bar/restaurant chain exclusive to Maryland) across the > street from > the protest cite afterwards! A good time was had by all! > > > > I would be very interested to hear reports of other protests > conducted by > other chapters in Maryland and our other affiliates around the > country. Did > you get the public's attension? Did you convince some people not > to shop at > the Goodwill store at which you were protesting? Did you receive > any media > attension? > > > > I look forward to hearing your reports! > > > > Chris Nusbaum > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo > se%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Sun Aug 26 21:57:45 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 21:57:45 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] learning braille In-Reply-To: <9A320CD4-B5DA-40A6-8845-A64B0CCAB3D4@gmail.com> References: , <8D1C1CF5-A007-47DB-A766-78AC23A6064D@gmail.com> , <9A320CD4-B5DA-40A6-8845-A64B0CCAB3D4@gmail.com> Message-ID: I've been blind all my life, and was taught Braille in school, so I've never used it. Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Stephanie DeLuca [sjhhirst at gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 1:41 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] learning braille Ohhh I have heard of it. Do you have experience with them? How does it work? On Aug 26, 2012, at 1:30 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > This is a corespondence course from Hadley! > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Stephanie DeLuca [sjhhirst at gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 1:24 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] learning braille > > Yeah, I guess the problem is that I can't really afford to take off 6-9 months to go to a training center. I know that everyone will advocate that, but I don't really want to do that. > > On Aug 26, 2012, at 1:15 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > >> I'd learn through the NFB program. >> I wouldn't deal with VR, because they're only working with college students, and such. >> If you're in college, just remember, that VR is slow, sometimes. >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Stephanie H. DeLuca [sjhhirst at gmail.com] >> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 1:06 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] learning braille >> >> Hello all, >> >> I was wondering how one goes about learning braille as an adult. I'm 27 >> and have been reading print all of my life because I do have enough vision >> to do that. However, I'm regretting not learning it when I was a child. >> Well, I did learn the alphabet, but not really much further than that. >> What are the steps one takes to learn braille? Do you go through >> vocational rehab? I don't necessarily want to take time off to go t a >> living center, but I think weekly lessons or something would be fine. >> Thanks! >> >> Stephanie >> >> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Aug 26 22:00:54 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 18:00:54 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] openbook Message-ID: <13FC5B3E7DD443E5908431BFA65B804D@OwnerPC> Hi all, A few questions for those who use openbook. Can you change the punctuation settings temporarily and permanently in it? If so, how? With jaws, I can change it either way in the verbosity settings. There may be a quicker way to do that. Openbook doesn’t read punctuation to me and I’d like to change it to read most punctuation as jaws does. Can you bookmark places in files? Next, what are the changes in openbook 9? I’m trying to get it and wondered what those changes were. Thanks. Ashley From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Aug 26 22:07:38 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 18:07:38 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] rehab services Message-ID: Hi all, I’m having difficulty getting services from rehab. I do have an old braille note and I’m hoping they pay for its repair since some of the cells need fixing. I’m also requesting an update to my scanning program and a vr stratus among other things. Has rehab updated, repaired, or replaced your technology? Technology changes so often and I know of people using old computers and other technology since rehab did not update it; for instance they use windows xp or vista and now we are on windows 7, soon to be windows 8. Also, if you looked for work, did rehab help you with job development activities such as job searches, interview tips, job shadowing, or setting up informational interviews? If I cannot get what I need, I will go forward with getting an advocate and go to a mediation. If anyone has had that experience, I’m curious to know what that is like. Thanks. Ashley From carlymih at comcast.net Sun Aug 26 22:07:49 2012 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 15:07:49 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] openbook In-Reply-To: <13FC5B3E7DD443E5908431BFA65B804D@OwnerPC> References: <13FC5B3E7DD443E5908431BFA65B804D@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20120826150539.01bf1e50@comcast.net> Good afternoon, Ashley, In my experience, one can tell by the inflection of the synthe, what are the punctuations in the doc. I'm not a JAWS, user so someome e;se ,most likely, will need to jump in, to actaually answer your question. Good luck, Ashley!03:00 PM 8/26/2012, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >Hi all, A few questions for those who use >openbook. Can you change the punctuation >settings temporarily and permanently in it? If >so, how? With jaws, I can change it either way >in the verbosity settings. There may be a >quicker way to do that. Openbook doesn’t read >punctuation to me and I’d like to change it to >read most punctuation as jaws does. Can you >bookmark places in files? Next, what are the >changes in openbook 9? I’m trying to get it >and wondered what those changes were. Thanks. >Ashley >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From arielle71 at gmail.com Sun Aug 26 22:08:41 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 16:08:41 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] learning braille In-Reply-To: References: <8D1C1CF5-A007-47DB-A766-78AC23A6064D@gmail.com> <9A320CD4-B5DA-40A6-8845-A64B0CCAB3D4@gmail.com> Message-ID: Go to www.hadley.edu/braillecourses.asp for a list of courses. Below is some Q&A about how Hadley teaches Braille: Braille by Mail: How Hadley Teaches Braille at a Distance Are you new to Hadley and wondering how we teach braille at a distance? The Hadley School for the Blind has been teaching braille and many other subjects at a distance since 1920. Although there is an increasing prevalence of online and distance education courses, the concept of teaching braille this way raises a lot of questions. While there are many challenges to teaching braille by correspondence, Hadley has tried and true methods that have proven to be most effective. This Q & A answers some of the questions you may have about learning braille through Hadley. Q: Who can take braille though Hadley? A: Hadley teaches braille to both visually impaired and sighted students. Students across all four of Hadley's program areas -- Adult Continuing Education, High School, Family Education and Professional Studies -- are welcome to enroll. Q: In what formats does Hadley teach braille? A: Visually impaired students receive materials in both audio and braille formats. In the courses designed for the visually impaired learner, students learn to read braille tactually (using their fingertips). Students also learn to write braille using various braille writing tools, including the slate and stylus, a device used to emboss braille on paper and a braillewriter, a braille equivalent of a typewriter. Sighted students learn braille a bit differently. Instead of feeling the dots with their fingers, students visually read black and white simulated braille. Hadley has also designed a braille simulator for computers in which six keys on the keyboard represent the six dot positions within a braille cell, similar to the braillewriter. Sighted students also learn to use the slate and stylus. Q: Is learning braille difficult? A: Learning braille for the first time can be challenging, but Hadley's self-paced courses allow students to learn at a rate that works for them, maximizing learning and comprehension. Since Hadley is a distance education school, instructors are not physically present with students. However, Hadley's unique "classroom of one" approach means that instructors are available when students have questions or problems -- either by phone or email. Q: Is there a fee associated with taking Hadley braille courses? A: Like all Hadley courses, braille courses are offered tuition-free for visually impaired students. Thanks to a federal braille grant, "Introduction to Braille" and "Contracted Braille" are currently free to sighted students. On 8/26/12, Joshua Lester wrote: > I've been blind all my life, and was taught Braille in school, so I've never > used it. > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of > Stephanie DeLuca [sjhhirst at gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 1:41 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] learning braille > > Ohhh I have heard of it. Do you have experience with them? How does it > work? > > On Aug 26, 2012, at 1:30 PM, Joshua Lester > wrote: > >> This is a corespondence course from Hadley! >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >> Stephanie DeLuca [sjhhirst at gmail.com] >> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 1:24 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] learning braille >> >> Yeah, I guess the problem is that I can't really afford to take off 6-9 >> months to go to a training center. I know that everyone will advocate >> that, but I don't really want to do that. >> >> On Aug 26, 2012, at 1:15 PM, Joshua Lester >> wrote: >> >>> I'd learn through the NFB program. >>> I wouldn't deal with VR, because they're only working with college >>> students, and such. >>> If you're in college, just remember, that VR is slow, sometimes. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >>> Stephanie H. DeLuca [sjhhirst at gmail.com] >>> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 1:06 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] learning braille >>> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> I was wondering how one goes about learning braille as an adult. I'm 27 >>> and have been reading print all of my life because I do have enough >>> vision >>> to do that. However, I'm regretting not learning it when I was a child. >>> Well, I did learn the alphabet, but not really much further than that. >>> What are the steps one takes to learn braille? Do you go through >>> vocational rehab? I don't necessarily want to take time off to go t a >>> living center, but I think weekly lessons or something would be fine. >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Stephanie >>> >>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Aug 26 22:10:23 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 18:10:23 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] a very successful protest in Baltimore In-Reply-To: <503a9793.8124320a.7ad8.ffff8b46@mx.google.com> References: <503a9793.8124320a.7ad8.ffff8b46@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <00c401cd83d7$979e8c90$c6dba5b0$@gmail.com> Hi Beth, I'm sorry you weren't able to go to the protest! BTW, I haven't talked to you in a long time; Skype me sometime if you get a chance! Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 5:39 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] a very successful protest in Baltimore We had a protest in Denver, but I did not get to do it because I was busy with stuff. I live in Aurora now with frinds, but it's hard to do anything around the neighborhood because the streets are confusing and too narrow for anybody to walk on. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" , , ,"'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'", , References: <503a9793.8124320a.7ad8.ffff8b46@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <00c301cd83d7$693942a0$3babc7e0$@gmail.com> Hi Justin, Great!! Sounds like you guys had a great protest! We didn't have the car traffic you all did, or if we did they ignored us. I'm glad you got the word out to all those drivers; great job! Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin Young Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 5:52 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] a very successful protest in Baltimore I participated in a protest outside the Stoneridge plaza Goodwill store in Greece, New York(a suburb of city of Rochester, NY in the upstate New York area) yesterday. We had two groups which one was with posters on the sidewalk which was public property while another was handing out flyers in the plaza area. It was a great event overall because many car drivers read the posters, honked their horns, and cheered. I hope the rest who participated in protests near their Goodwill stores went successful as well:) On 8/26/12, Beth wrote: > We had a protest in Denver, but I did not get to do it because I was > busy with stuff. I live in Aurora now with frinds, but it's hard to > do anything around the neighborhood because the streets are confusing > and too narrow for anybody to walk on. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Nusbaum" To: , , > ,"'National Association of Blind Students mailing > list'", , Date sent: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 16:47:59 -0400 > Subject: [nabs-l] a very successful protest in Baltimore > > Hi fellow Federationists, > > > > I am very happy to report, as John Pare did on the NFB of Maryland > list, that we had a very successful protest at the Goodwill store in > downtown Baltimore, Maryland. I was very happy to be a part of this > protest. We handed out many flyers and got the attension of many > people who saw us as they were passing the Goodwill store, and even > convinced some people not to shop at the Goodwill when they heard > about that company's policy of paying workers with disabilities > subminimum wages. Although nobody who worked at the store actually > came out and talked to us, they most definitely saw us and were > looking at us and our signs. I didn't personally see or get to talk to > anybody from the local Baltimore media, although I did see a reporter > from an online publication called Working in These Times and heard > most of the interview he conducted with our public relations director > and our Greater Baltimore chapter President Chris Danielsen. We have a > lot of pictures and updates from our protest which were posted on the > NFB Facebook page for anybody who is interested; in fact, my profile > picture on Facebook is a picture of me holding my sign and marching in > the protest. > All in all, > it was both a fun and a successful protest, and to top it off, Dr. > Maurer and some of the national center staff took us all out to dinner > at the Green Turtle (a bar/restaurant chain exclusive to Maryland) > across the street from the protest cite afterwards! A good time was > had by all! > > > > I would be very interested to hear reports of other protests conducted > by other chapters in Maryland and our other affiliates around the > country. Did you get the public's attension? Did you convince some > people not to shop at the Goodwill store at which you were protesting? > Did you receive any media attension? > > > > I look forward to hearing your reports! > > > > Chris Nusbaum > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo > se%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Aug 26 22:13:25 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 18:13:25 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] a very successful protest in Baltimore In-Reply-To: <503a9793.8124320a.7ad8.ffff8b46@mx.google.com> References: <503a9793.8124320a.7ad8.ffff8b46@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <00c501cd83d8$04182c00$0c488400$@gmail.com> By the way, I had a typo. I meant lunch, not dinner, when I mentioned that Dr. Maurer took us all out to the Green Turtle. So he took us all to lunch! Just noticed that. Sorry for the confusion! Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 5:39 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] a very successful protest in Baltimore We had a protest in Denver, but I did not get to do it because I was busy with stuff. I live in Aurora now with frinds, but it's hard to do anything around the neighborhood because the streets are confusing and too narrow for anybody to walk on. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" , , ,"'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'", , References: Message-ID: <00cc01cd83d8$7f7103e0$7e530ba0$@gmail.com> Hi Ashley, Just curious; where are you getting your advocate from? NFB? Your disability service office? Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 6:08 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] rehab services Hi all, I’m having difficulty getting services from rehab. I do have an old braille note and I’m hoping they pay for its repair since some of the cells need fixing. I’m also requesting an update to my scanning program and a vr stratus among other things. Has rehab updated, repaired, or replaced your technology? Technology changes so often and I know of people using old computers and other technology since rehab did not update it; for instance they use windows xp or vista and now we are on windows 7, soon to be windows 8. Also, if you looked for work, did rehab help you with job development activities such as job searches, interview tips, job shadowing, or setting up informational interviews? If I cannot get what I need, I will go forward with getting an advocate and go to a mediation. If anyone has had that experience, I’m curious to know what that is like. Thanks. Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Sun Aug 26 22:39:13 2012 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 16:39:13 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] a very successful protest in Baltimore Message-ID: <503aa5ae.8124320a.7ad8.ffff8eff@mx.google.com> I think I added you on Skype. I'll put my contacts on the bottom for anybody who wants it. Beth Taurasi thebluesisloose at gmail.com AIM: denverqueen0920 Skype: um1um15. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" , , ,"'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'", , References: <00cc01cd83d8$7f7103e0$7e530ba0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <39B886A470F54E078D6FB1705D1967CE@OwnerPC> the advocate will come from our state office of protection and advocacy. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 6:16 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] rehab services Hi Ashley, Just curious; where are you getting your advocate from? NFB? Your disability service office? Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 6:08 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] rehab services Hi all, I’m having difficulty getting services from rehab. I do have an old braille note and I’m hoping they pay for its repair since some of the cells need fixing. I’m also requesting an update to my scanning program and a vr stratus among other things. Has rehab updated, repaired, or replaced your technology? Technology changes so often and I know of people using old computers and other technology since rehab did not update it; for instance they use windows xp or vista and now we are on windows 7, soon to be windows 8. Also, if you looked for work, did rehab help you with job development activities such as job searches, interview tips, job shadowing, or setting up informational interviews? If I cannot get what I need, I will go forward with getting an advocate and go to a mediation. If anyone has had that experience, I’m curious to know what that is like. Thanks. Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Aug 26 22:38:32 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 18:38:32 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] openbook In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20120826150539.01bf1e50@comcast.net> References: <13FC5B3E7DD443E5908431BFA65B804D@OwnerPC> <7.0.1.0.2.20120826150539.01bf1e50@comcast.net> Message-ID: Car, sometimes that works, but sometimes I cannot tell the difference between commas and periods. Since I'm in a pr class, this info is helpful as I think we will have info on formatting. -----Original Message----- From: Carly Mihalakis Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 6:07 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] openbook Good afternoon, Ashley, In my experience, one can tell by the inflection of the synthe, what are the punctuations in the doc. I'm not a JAWS, user so someome e;se ,most likely, will need to jump in, to actaually answer your question. Good luck, Ashley!03:00 PM 8/26/2012, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >Hi all, A few questions for those who use openbook. Can you change the >punctuation settings temporarily and permanently in it? If so, how? With >jaws, I can change it either way in the verbosity settings. There may be a >quicker way to do that. Openbook doesn’t read punctuation to me and I’d >like to change it to read most punctuation as jaws does. Can you bookmark >places in files? Next, what are the changes in openbook 9? I’m trying to >get it and wondered what those changes were. Thanks. Ashley >_______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To >unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Aug 26 23:08:30 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 19:08:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] learning braille In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Stephanie, You could go through rehab to learn, but you'd still need to study yourself. You could request they send a rehab teacher to your home to teach you. Most vr agencies employ itenerant rehab teachers or contract this service out. Another idea is hadley school for the blind and there you would study via corespondence classes. You might see if there is another nonprofit serving blind people in your area. They would offer braille classes. For instance a lighthouse for the blind. In CA, they have braille Institute. I am glad you want to learn braille. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Stephanie H. DeLuca Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 2:06 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] learning braille Hello all, I was wondering how one goes about learning braille as an adult. I'm 27 and have been reading print all of my life because I do have enough vision to do that. However, I'm regretting not learning it when I was a child. Well, I did learn the alphabet, but not really much further than that. What are the steps one takes to learn braille? Do you go through vocational rehab? I don't necessarily want to take time off to go t a living center, but I think weekly lessons or something would be fine. Thanks! Stephanie In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From dandrews at visi.com Mon Aug 27 00:38:29 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 19:38:29 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: NCLB Exam in Albuquerque Message-ID: > >Stand out among teachers of the blind and visually impaired! Don't miss the >opportunity to hold this important, nationally recognized certification of >literary braille proficiency. > >The National Certification in Literary Braille (NCLB) test will be >administered by the National Blindness Professional Certification Board >(NBPCB) >in Albuquerque, New Mexico on >Saturday October 27, 2012 >at The New Mexico School for the Blind and Visually Impaired >Early Childhood Programs >Sage Room >801 Stephen Moody Dr. SE >Albuquerque, New Mexico 87123 > >Please go to our website, www.nbpcb.org/nclb to find out more information >and to register for this important test. >Deadline for registration is October 15, 2012! > >You may contact the test administrator, Juan Haro at (575) 442-1363, or >juan at jfharo.com. >Or contact the NBPCB office at >(318) 257-4554 or by email at braille at nbpcb.org > >Register now at: >https://nbpcb.org/members/login.php?r=/members/er.php?eid=102 > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This is a new opportunity for me, and I look forward to working with the committee to bring your membership requests to life. I know we are planning the topics of calls for the next few months, so keep on the lookout for our idea requests. I will continue to serve on the Slate committee as well. We're always looking for article ideas, so you can shoot those to Sean, Karen, Candice, or I. If you've had a unique experience or know someone who has, be sure that we hear about it. We also like to highlight state student divisions who are doing cool things, so if you fit into that category no matter how small or new your division is, we want to hear from you as well. Personally, I live in Seattle. I am new to the northwest, and I am excited about getting in touch with the northwest student divisions and state affiliates. It is my hope that during my term, we can liven up the divisions here and show the rest of the country how awesome this region is, and how involved our students can be. Please feel free to contact me with any questions you have. I have a degree in psychology, I have taken the GRE, balanced a lot of classes and responsibilities at the same time like many of us, and I am currently testing the waters of job searching. So if you have questions about any of those things specifically, feel free to email me. I try to skim through emails and reply when necessary as well, so I look forward to the upcoming discussions and how I can contribute. I also look forward to representing NABS and to bringing your vision of NABS' future into reality. Again, I apologize for not making the call, so feel free to contact me with any questions. My contact info is in my signature. Cindy -- Cynthia Bennett B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com 828.989.5383 From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Mon Aug 27 06:07:03 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 02:07:03 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Gogle questio Message-ID: <5B8148BB-DFBC-400A-A12D-1D96C9A0DDC2@gmail.com> Hi al, My name is LaVonnya. I work and take classes at b more abilities. Half of what I do is dance, the other half is writing. My teacher to,d me that not only will I b working on my books, but she wants me to work on articles on google. My question is, will goggle work with n v d a? I use n v d a on my laptop. We will b using the blog feature. Thanks Sent from my iPad From joshkart12 at gmail.com Mon Aug 27 06:37:06 2012 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (josh gregory) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 02:37:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Gogle questio In-Reply-To: <5B8148BB-DFBC-400A-A12D-1D96C9A0DDC2@gmail.com> References: <5B8148BB-DFBC-400A-A12D-1D96C9A0DDC2@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes, it should work without issue. On 8/27/12, Lavonya Gardner wrote: > Hi al, > My name is LaVonnya. I work and take classes at b more abilities. Half of > what I do is dance, the other half is writing. My teacher to,d me that not > only will I b working on my books, but she wants me to work on articles on > google. My question is, will goggle work with n v d a? I use n v d a on my > laptop. We will b using the blog feature. > Thanks > > Sent from my iPad > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com > -- Ways to Connect with me: facebook.com/evercuriousmasteryodo twitter.com/joshg93 Skype: joshgregory93 FaceTime, iMessage and iChat: joshkart12 at gmail.com From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Mon Aug 27 13:37:20 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 09:37:20 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Gogle questio In-Reply-To: References: <5B8148BB-DFBC-400A-A12D-1D96C9A0DDC2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5D1A26E4-9BA7-425B-A334-A7976B66F586@gmail.com> Thank u. I have never done this b 4 Sent from my iPad On Aug 27, 2012, at 2:37, josh gregory wrote: > Yes, it should work without issue. > > On 8/27/12, Lavonya Gardner wrote: >> Hi al, >> My name is LaVonnya. I work and take classes at b more abilities. Half of >> what I do is dance, the other half is writing. My teacher to,d me that not >> only will I b working on my books, but she wants me to work on articles on >> google. My question is, will goggle work with n v d a? I use n v d a on my >> laptop. We will b using the blog feature. >> Thanks >> >> Sent from my iPad >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Ways to Connect with me: > > facebook.com/evercuriousmasteryodo > > twitter.com/joshg93 > Skype: joshgregory93 > FaceTime, iMessage and iChat: joshkart12 at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From trillian551 at gmail.com Mon Aug 27 17:55:56 2012 From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 13:55:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] GRE Prep In-Reply-To: References: <8EA502864A9DCA49858B3C4E76F45D8A02456C@BL2PRD0711MB409.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: Hi Gloria and all, Gloria, I took the GRE in Oct. of 2011, and here are some study tips that helped me do pretty well. 1. Since you are taking the general test, bookshare actually has the most recent Princeton Review GRE study guides. You can download them in a number of formats and use them. I really like Princeton Review, but Learning Ally also has an audio of the Kapplan study guide. 2. Learn lots and lots and lots of words! I made Braille flash cards for myself, where i would put the word on one side and the definition on the other. I put them all in zip-lock bags and wherever I went I'd pull them out. Bookshare has the Word Smart book, which is published by Princeton Review. There is a section on GRE words. Also, if you are interested I have a rather extensive Excel workbook with a ton of words and definitions. which was compiled by a brilliant friend of mine. 3. I think that the math is the hardest to study with on a Braille Note or just using Jaws. if your college offers tutoring, you should consider meeting with a tutor and going over those basic concepts. Gre math isn't hard, it's just math you haven't used since you were in high school, so alot of times it's just a matter of remembering how to do things. 4. Lastly, definitely get the Braille materials from ETS. Unfortunately, they only have the one Braille GRE sample, so you should use that as a diagnostic test before you begin your studies. And, maybe closer to the date try taking it again, hopefully you'll have forgotten enough that it won't be like, oh, I remember the answer to this question. Lol. On the topic of practice GREs, Bookshare does have quite a few books that publish practice GREs, so definitely use those! Good luck! I never took the new GRE, but if you develop a study plan and stick to it, you'll do well. It's all about knowing how to take the test. Sincerely, Mary F On 8/26/12, Gloria G wrote: > Thank you very mucha > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Loew, Ruth" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 7:47 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] GRE Prep > > >> Hi -- I'm the Assistant Director of the ETS Office of Disability Policy >> and a lurker on this list. >> >> Go to http://www.ets.org/gre/revised_general/prepare/disabilities for a >> complete list of accessible practice materials for the GRE General Test. >> Many of the materials are downloadable. Those that aren't downloadable, >> such as hard-copy braille, can be requested from Disability Services; >> their contact information is near the top of the page on this website, in >> >> the first full paragraph. >> >> If you have further questions, please feel free to contact me on- or >> off-list. >> >> Ruth Loew >> Assistant Director, Office of Disability Policy, ETS >> rloew at ets.org >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com > -- Mary Fernandez Emory 2012 "A pioneer is not someone who makes her own soap. She is one who takes up her burdens and walks toward the future." -- Laurel Thatcher Ulrich From codyjbair at yahoo.com Mon Aug 27 19:32:51 2012 From: codyjbair at yahoo.com (Cody Bair) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 12:32:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Membership Call Survey Message-ID: <1346095971.37964.YahooMailClassic@web110705.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi All, As you are probably already aware, NABS conducts monthly membership calls. In order to get this school year started we are currently seeking your input on what topics you would like to see us cover this year. Please either reply directly to this thread with your suggestions or mail them directly to Nabs.membership at gmail.com Sincerely, The NABS membership Committee From sjhhirst at gmail.com Mon Aug 27 19:53:40 2012 From: sjhhirst at gmail.com (Stephanie DeLuca) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 14:53:40 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Membership Call Survey In-Reply-To: <1346095971.37964.YahooMailClassic@web110705.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1346095971.37964.YahooMailClassic@web110705.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I think a discussion on voting as people with disabilities would be good. Since a lot of people are on college campuses, it'd be a good opportunity to get involved with informing people with disabilities (mainly VI) about rights and responsibilities for voting. I've been to/worked at several voter registration drives, and I have NEVER seen information on voting if you have a disability. On Aug 27, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Cody Bair wrote: > Hi All, > As you are probably already aware, NABS conducts monthly membership calls. In order to get this school year started we are currently seeking your input on what topics you would like to see us cover this year. Please either reply directly to this thread with your suggestions or mail them directly to > Nabs.membership at gmail.com > Sincerely, > The NABS membership Committee > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Mon Aug 27 20:52:40 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 20:52:40 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Membership Call Survey In-Reply-To: References: <1346095971.37964.YahooMailClassic@web110705.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, Message-ID: Hi, Stephanie! That's a great idea! I went to my voting site, earlier this year, and the machine didn't work. My Disability Rights person that works for the governor, here said he'd come down, to show them how to work it, but he never showed up! Thanks, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Stephanie DeLuca [sjhhirst at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 2:53 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS Membership Call Survey I think a discussion on voting as people with disabilities would be good. Since a lot of people are on college campuses, it'd be a good opportunity to get involved with informing people with disabilities (mainly VI) about rights and responsibilities for voting. I've been to/worked at several voter registration drives, and I have NEVER seen information on voting if you have a disability. On Aug 27, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Cody Bair wrote: > Hi All, > As you are probably already aware, NABS conducts monthly membership calls. In order to get this school year started we are currently seeking your input on what topics you would like to see us cover this year. Please either reply directly to this thread with your suggestions or mail them directly to > Nabs.membership at gmail.com > Sincerely, > The NABS membership Committee > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From clb5590 at gmail.com Mon Aug 27 22:58:02 2012 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cynthia Bennett) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 15:58:02 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Membership Call Survey In-Reply-To: References: <1346095971.37964.YahooMailClassic@web110705.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Stephanie: That is a great idea. I had a similar experience as Josh as I voted in my first election. They were the 2008 primaries, and I was very excited. When the machine did not work, I asked a poll worker to assist me. They filled in the ballot as I wished, but the worker did make some comments about their preference on a politician. This occured when I said that I did not want to vote for a particular office, because I was unfamiliar with any of the candidates. I said something like, "I don't want to fill in anything for this," and the worker responded with "Oh, I heard that ___ is pretty good. Do you want me to fill in his/her name?" I chose to still not vote for that particular office. This practice is illegal, and I chose not to say anything about it. But I do think that an informational call about rights and accessible voting machines would be awesome. Unfortunately, each state is a little different, but information about federal mandates on the presence of accessible voting machines/rights and some typical patterns in accessible voting in states would be great. For example, Washington conducts mail ballots. There are a few precincts around town, but if you work in a neighborhood in which it takes a while to get to a precinct, you are at a disadvantage as a blind person. So, you can either take off work and use public transportation to navigate to one of the few and very busy precincts and wait in a 3-hour line, or you can find a reader and disclose your voting preferences. The other animal in this issue is that if you choose to get a reader to fill out your signature does not match the signature on your state ID which is kept on file, then your ballot can be deemed as false and not counted. As a blind person, I do the best I can with my signature, but I do think that even the most ambitious blind people are at a disadvantage when having to match a signature, and our ballots could not be counted, and we may not hear about it, or we would learn of it after elections are closed. If we are afraid that our signature may not match that of our state ID, then we can have 2 witnesses sign. But that is 2 more people that have to see my ballot. I do not think that this practice is common within the states, and I would definitely not like my experience to dominate the nature of the call, but I wanted to relay it to show that I think this is a very good idea. I would personally like some professional/legal advice/legal suggestions on how this can be changed. So, if you have any suggestions on people to conduct this call, or resources for where this information can be found, please share it. If not, the membership committee will certainly take the initiative to conduct an informative call if we do in fact decide to pursue this topic. But I wanted to make sure that since you made the suggestion, you are welcome to provide suggestions on people to conduct the call. I know that someone comes to each NC state convention with an accessible voting machine to show in the exhibit hall. During this time, people can vote in a fake election and orient themselves to the machine. I am not sure if NC is still doing this since it has been a few years since the accessible machines were introduced, but I think there is still a need for outreach about accessible voting. Keep the good membership call suggestions coming! Cindy On 8/27/12, Joshua Lester wrote: > Hi, Stephanie! > That's a great idea! > I went to my voting site, earlier this year, and the machine didn't work. > My Disability Rights person that works for the governor, here said he'd come > down, to show them how to work it, but he never showed up! > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of > Stephanie DeLuca [sjhhirst at gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 2:53 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS Membership Call Survey > > I think a discussion on voting as people with disabilities would be good. > Since a lot of people are on college campuses, it'd be a good opportunity to > get involved with informing people with disabilities (mainly VI) about > rights and responsibilities for voting. I've been to/worked at several > voter registration drives, and I have NEVER seen information on voting if > you have a disability. > > On Aug 27, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Cody Bair wrote: > >> Hi All, >> As you are probably already aware, NABS conducts monthly membership calls. >> In order to get this school year started we are currently seeking your >> input on what topics you would like to see us cover this year. Please >> either reply directly to this thread with your suggestions or mail them >> directly to >> Nabs.membership at gmail.com >> Sincerely, >> The NABS membership Committee >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com > -- Cynthia Bennett B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com 828.989.5383 From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Aug 27 23:12:18 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 19:12:18 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] turnitin.com Message-ID: <503bfed6.c4d5e00a.2e7b.ffffd283@mx.google.com> Hi everyone, Today was our first day of classes, and my English/Freshman Seminar teacher informed us today that she uses the Web site TurnItIn.com to turn in certain assignments, particularly long-term projects and essays. Has anybody on this list used this Web site to turn in work to your teachers? If so, how accessible is it with JAWS? If it is accessible, how do I use this site with JAWS to turn in work? By the way, in the event that this Web site is inaccessible, I've already talked with my teacher and she gave me permission to email projects usually turned in on turnitin.com to her. Thanks in advance, Chris From clb5590 at gmail.com Mon Aug 27 23:31:08 2012 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cynthia Bennett) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 16:31:08 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] turnitin.com In-Reply-To: <503bfed6.c4d5e00a.2e7b.ffffd283@mx.google.com> References: <503bfed6.c4d5e00a.2e7b.ffffd283@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Chris: Although I haven't used this website in a few years, I remember it being accessible. I think there is an option to either paste your paper into an edit box or to browse for it as if you were attaching a file to an email. Cindy On 8/27/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Today was our first day of classes, and my English/Freshman > Seminar teacher informed us today that she uses the Web site > TurnItIn.com to turn in certain assignments, particularly > long-term projects and essays. Has anybody on this list used > this Web site to turn in work to your teachers? If so, how > accessible is it with JAWS? If it is accessible, how do I use > this site with JAWS to turn in work? By the way, in the event > that this Web site is inaccessible, I've already talked with my > teacher and she gave me permission to email projects usually > turned in on turnitin.com to her. > > Thanks in advance, > > Chris > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com > -- Cynthia Bennett B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com 828.989.5383 From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Mon Aug 27 23:35:03 2012 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 17:35:03 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] turnitin.com Message-ID: <503c0446.e45b320a.2862.3127@mx.google.com> Well, I've got some good news about that. turnitin.com is accessible with JAWS, but it's been a while since I looked at it. SafeAssign may not be accessible, but the weird thing about SafeAssign is that professors tend to embed a button for tturning something in using SafeAssign. Turnitin has a pasword you type in, whicch you should get from your teacher. Then, you have access to all the tabs and links to the assignments. Then, you browse the computer and ssee which asignment you need to turn in, and upload files that way. Usually, colleges use turnitin, but I'm not surprised high schools have started this. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Nusbaum References: <1346095971.37964.YahooMailClassic@web110705.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello List, I know there has been some discussion before on this list about the accessibility of Google Docks. However, I cannot recall how accessible this file sharing tool is for those of us who are blind. My college sent me one of my textbooks using Google Docs, and before I tell them that it is inaccessible, I thought I would seek out a second opinion on this list. So, for those of you who are more tech savvy than me, is there a way to access files on Google Docs, and if so, how would I go about doing it? The files I am trying to access are PDF files if that makes a difference. I have tried using both Internet Explorer and Mozilla FireFox without any success. If anyone has any advice on using Google Docs, I would greatly appreciate hearing from you. Thanks, Elizabeth From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue Aug 28 01:11:37 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 21:11:37 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] portable scanners Message-ID: Hi all, What portable scanners are there? I mean something you can put in your purse or tote bag. I know of the knfb reader but it looks kind of complex. Anything else? How about the Ipal? Does human ware make anything? I know Freedom scientific, fs, makes the Sara, but its so heavy it doesn’t seem portable. Thanks. Ashley From ptrck.molloy at gmail.com Tue Aug 28 01:22:47 2012 From: ptrck.molloy at gmail.com (Patrick Molloy) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 21:22:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] portable scanners In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ashley, This might be what you're looking for: http://www.intel.com/corporate/healthcare/emea/eng/reader/index.htm It's really simple to use. Patrick On 8/27/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi all, > > What portable scanners are there? I mean something you can put in your purse > or tote bag. > I know of the knfb reader but it looks kind of complex. Anything else? > > How about the Ipal? Does human ware make anything? I know Freedom > scientific, fs, makes the Sara, but its so heavy it doesn’t seem portable. > > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com > From hope.paulos at gmail.com Tue Aug 28 01:49:53 2012 From: hope.paulos at gmail.com (Hope Paulos) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 21:49:53 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] portable scanners In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1CF965A5-3F02-4F4E-9067-391BBE122AB2@gmail.com> I don't know if you have an iPhone or not, but there is an application called text detective, which works well. This is an OCR app and it's made by the same people who make the eye pal line of products. I hope this helps! Hope Sent from my iPhone On Aug 27, 2012, at 9:22 PM, Patrick Molloy wrote: > Ashley, > This might be what you're looking for: > http://www.intel.com/corporate/healthcare/emea/eng/reader/index.htm > > It's really simple to use. > Patrick > > On 8/27/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> What portable scanners are there? I mean something you can put in your purse >> or tote bag. >> I know of the knfb reader but it looks kind of complex. Anything else? >> >> How about the Ipal? Does human ware make anything? I know Freedom >> scientific, fs, makes the Sara, but its so heavy it doesn’t seem portable. >> >> Thanks. >> Ashley >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue Aug 28 03:14:47 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 23:14:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] portable scanners In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6826B15921834F38AB7D98ADC2EB826D@OwnerPC> Hi Patrick, Thanks, wow. This looks neat and sounds like the size I'd need. I'll try and get a demo of it somewhere before purchasing. You said its easy to use. Have you tried it? What is the sound like as it reads? Also, what is the rate of scanning? Does it store the scanned text in the machine or do you have to plug in a storage device. I've heard of this, but had forgotten about it. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Molloy Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 9:22 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] portable scanners Ashley, This might be what you're looking for: http://www.intel.com/corporate/healthcare/emea/eng/reader/index.htm It's really simple to use. Patrick On 8/27/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi all, > > What portable scanners are there? I mean something you can put in your > purse > or tote bag. > I know of the knfb reader but it looks kind of complex. Anything else? > > How about the Ipal? Does human ware make anything? I know Freedom > scientific, fs, makes the Sara, but its so heavy it doesn’t seem portable. > > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From sjhhirst at gmail.com Tue Aug 28 03:46:07 2012 From: sjhhirst at gmail.com (Stephanie H. DeLuca) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 22:46:07 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Membership Call Survey In-Reply-To: References: <1346095971.37964.YahooMailClassic@web110705.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'm excited to see that other people support the idea of getting involved but sad to admit that it's a problem. My story is this: In 2008, I went for early voting at one of the designated places in Nashville. When it was my turn, they designated a polling machine to me. Before I began the process, I asked about assisted voting. Maybe I should have asked about accessible polling machines? Anyway, he just said he'd have to help me and that was the only option I had. I turned him down and went through the process myself (I do have some vision). It seems that the voting issues fall into a few categories: 1) lack of knowledge of rights/responsibilities on behalf of the voter 2) lack of training and knowledge of polling staff 3) lack of a functioning accessible voting machine on site 4) difficult-to-follow tutorials/instructions for the accessible machine For me, numbers 1 and 2 seem to be the biggest problems. How do we get the word out and how do we insure that the people at the polling places are trained and that there is a funcitoning machine available? I like the idea about having demos. Barring that, would it be possible to record a tutorial and post it online? Maybe by someone who has used it recently? I've heard that the tutorial provided at the polling place is often not straightforward or easy to follow and that a blind user could do a better job haha I think we should at the very least inform people of their rights. I think finding the federal law wouldn't be too hard, but some rules vary state by state. I'm having trouble tracking down the information for TN, for example. Anyway, here is the federal law (I think). *Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act* The Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act of 1984 generally requires polling places across the United States to be physically accessible to people with disabilities for federal elections. Where no accessible location is available to serve as a polling place, a political subdivision must provide an alternate means of casting a ballot on the day of the election. This law also requires states to make available registration and voting aids for disabled and elderly voters, including information by TTYs (also known as TDDs) or similar devices. For more information, contact: U.S. Department of Justice Civil Rights Division 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. Voting Section - 1800 G Washington, D.C. 20530 (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) *National Voter Registration Act* The National Voter Registration Act of 1993, also known as the "Motor Voter Act," makes it easier for all Americans to exercise their fundamental right to vote. One of the basic purposes of the Act is to increase the historically low registration rates of minorities and persons with disabilities that have resulted from discrimination. The Motor Voter Act requires all offices of State-funded programs that are primarily engaged in providing services to persons with disabilities to provide all program applicants with voter registration forms, to assist them in completing the forms, and to transmit completed forms to the appropriate State official. For more information, contact: U.S. Department of Justice Civil Rights Division 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. Voting Section - 1800 G Washington, D.C. 20530 www.usdoj.gov/crt/voting (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) It seems that the NFB has a lot of lawyers. Is it possible for us to get someone trained in law to help us with this one? Here is another good resource, the Department of Justice: http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/drs/ One question I have is, why aren't ALL voting machines accessible? It seems like this is more of a software issue. Would it not be possible to write accessible software to be used on all machines? One other thing is that we should encourage people to file a complaint if they have these aforementioned problems this year and in the future. We (the NFB) should provide information on that, as well. While I think this is a concern for the whole NFB on a national level, I think as students, we are in a good spot to target new voters and college students who have not voted before. Maybe we could draft a brochure about rights and responsibilities and general information (maybe even for people who aren't blind but are disabled?) and make sure it gets distributed at voter registration drives going on campus. Cindy also makes a good point about getting to the voting place. Also, this will become even more difficult in many states that require valid state IDs (like TN, AL, AR, etc.). How should we deal with this? In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Cynthia Bennett wrote: > Stephanie: > > That is a great idea. I had a similar experience as Josh as I voted in > my first election. They were the 2008 primaries, and I was very > excited. When the machine did not work, I asked a poll worker to > assist me. They filled in the ballot as I wished, but the worker did > make some comments about their preference on a politician. This > occured when I said that I did not want to vote for a particular > office, because I was unfamiliar with any of the candidates. I said > something like, "I don't want to fill in anything for this," and the > worker responded with "Oh, I heard that ___ is pretty good. Do you > want me to fill in his/her name?" I chose to still not vote for that > particular office. This practice is illegal, and I chose not to say > anything about it. But I do think that an informational call about > rights and accessible voting machines would be awesome. Unfortunately, > each state is a little different, but information about federal > mandates on the presence of accessible voting machines/rights and some > typical patterns in accessible voting in states would be great. For > example, Washington conducts mail ballots. There are a few precincts > around town, but if you work in a neighborhood in which it takes a > while to get to a precinct, you are at a disadvantage as a blind > person. So, you can either take off work and use public transportation > to navigate to one of the few and very busy precincts and wait in a > 3-hour line, or you can find a reader and disclose your voting > preferences. The other animal in this issue is that if you choose to > get a reader to fill out your signature does not match the signature > on your state ID which is kept on file, then your ballot can be deemed > as false and not counted. As a blind person, I do the best I can with > my signature, but I do think that even the most ambitious blind people > are at a disadvantage when having to match a signature, and our > ballots could not be counted, and we may not hear about it, or we > would learn of it after elections are closed. If we are afraid that > our signature may not match that of our state ID, then we can have 2 > witnesses sign. But that is 2 more people that have to see my ballot. > I do not think that this practice is common within the states, and I > would definitely not like my experience to dominate the nature of the > call, but I wanted to relay it to show that I think this is a very > good idea. I would personally like some professional/legal > advice/legal suggestions on how this can be changed. > > So, if you have any suggestions on people to conduct this call, or > resources for where this information can be found, please share it. If > not, the membership committee will certainly take the initiative to > conduct an informative call if we do in fact decide to pursue this > topic. But I wanted to make sure that since you made the suggestion, > you are welcome to provide suggestions on people to conduct the call. > > I know that someone comes to each NC state convention with an > accessible voting machine to show in the exhibit hall. During this > time, people can vote in a fake election and orient themselves to the > machine. I am not sure if NC is still doing this since it has been a > few years since the accessible machines were introduced, but I think > there is still a need for outreach about accessible voting. > > Keep the good membership call suggestions coming! > Cindy > > On 8/27/12, Joshua Lester wrote: > > Hi, Stephanie! > > That's a great idea! > > I went to my voting site, earlier this year, and the machine didn't work. > > My Disability Rights person that works for the governor, here said he'd > come > > down, to show them how to work it, but he never showed up! > > Thanks, Joshua > > ________________________________________ > > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of > > Stephanie DeLuca [sjhhirst at gmail.com] > > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 2:53 PM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS Membership Call Survey > > > > I think a discussion on voting as people with disabilities would be good. > > Since a lot of people are on college campuses, it'd be a good > opportunity to > > get involved with informing people with disabilities (mainly VI) about > > rights and responsibilities for voting. I've been to/worked at several > > voter registration drives, and I have NEVER seen information on voting if > > you have a disability. > > > > On Aug 27, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Cody Bair wrote: > > > >> Hi All, > >> As you are probably already aware, NABS conducts monthly membership > calls. > >> In order to get this school year started we are currently seeking your > >> input on what topics you would like to see us cover this year. Please > >> either reply directly to this thread with your suggestions or mail them > >> directly to > >> Nabs.membership at gmail.com > >> Sincerely, > >> The NABS membership Committee > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com > > > > > -- > Cynthia Bennett > B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington > > clb5590 at gmail.com > 828.989.5383 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com > From sjhhirst at gmail.com Tue Aug 28 03:48:12 2012 From: sjhhirst at gmail.com (Stephanie H. DeLuca) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 22:48:12 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Membership Call Survey In-Reply-To: References: <1346095971.37964.YahooMailClassic@web110705.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Heh, I mean Cynthia, sorry! In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: > I'm excited to see that other people support the idea of getting involved > but sad to admit that it's a problem. > > My story is this: In 2008, I went for early voting at one of the > designated places in Nashville. When it was my turn, they designated a > polling machine to me. Before I began the process, I asked about assisted > voting. Maybe I should have asked about accessible polling machines? > Anyway, he just said he'd have to help me and that was the only option I > had. I turned him down and went through the process myself (I do have some > vision). > > It seems that the voting issues fall into a few categories: > 1) lack of knowledge of rights/responsibilities on behalf of the voter > 2) lack of training and knowledge of polling staff > 3) lack of a functioning accessible voting machine on site > 4) difficult-to-follow tutorials/instructions for the accessible machine > > For me, numbers 1 and 2 seem to be the biggest problems. How do we get > the word out and how do we insure that the people at the polling places are > trained and that there is a funcitoning machine available? > > I like the idea about having demos. Barring that, would it be possible to > record a tutorial and post it online? Maybe by someone who has used it > recently? I've heard that the tutorial provided at the polling place is > often not straightforward or easy to follow and that a blind user could do > a better job haha > > I think we should at the very least inform people of their rights. I > think finding the federal law wouldn't be too hard, but some rules vary > state by state. I'm having trouble tracking down the information for TN, > for example. Anyway, here is the federal law (I think). > > *Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act* > > The Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act of 1984 > generally requires polling places across the United States to be physically > accessible to people with disabilities for federal elections. Where no > accessible location is available to serve as a polling place, a political > subdivision must provide an alternate means of casting a ballot on the day > of the election. This law also requires states to make available > registration and voting aids for disabled and elderly voters, including > information by TTYs (also known as TDDs) or similar devices. For more > information, contact: > > U.S. Department of Justice > Civil Rights Division > 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. > Voting Section - 1800 G > Washington, D.C. 20530 > > (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) > > > > *National Voter Registration Act* > > The National Voter Registration Act of 1993, also known as the "Motor > Voter Act," makes it easier for all Americans to exercise their fundamental > right to vote. One of the basic purposes of the Act is to increase the > historically low registration rates of minorities and persons with > disabilities that have resulted from discrimination. The Motor Voter Act > requires all offices of State-funded programs that are primarily engaged in > providing services to persons with disabilities to provide all program > applicants with voter registration forms, to assist them in completing the > forms, and to transmit completed forms to the appropriate State official. > For more information, contact: > > U.S. Department of Justice > Civil Rights Division > 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. > Voting Section - 1800 G > Washington, D.C. 20530 > > www.usdoj.gov/crt/voting > > (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) > > It seems that the NFB has a lot of lawyers. Is it possible for us to get > someone trained in law to help us with this one? > > Here is another good resource, the Department of Justice: > http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/drs/ > > One question I have is, why aren't ALL voting machines accessible? It > seems like this is more of a software issue. Would it not be possible to > write accessible software to be used on all machines? > > One other thing is that we should encourage people to file a complaint if > they have these aforementioned problems this year and in the future. We > (the NFB) should provide information on that, as well. > > While I think this is a concern for the whole NFB on a national level, I > think as students, we are in a good spot to target new voters and college > students who have not voted before. Maybe we could draft a brochure about > rights and responsibilities and general information (maybe even for people > who aren't blind but are disabled?) and make sure it gets distributed at > voter registration drives going on campus. > > Cindy also makes a good point about getting to the voting place. Also, > this will become even more difficult in many states that require valid > state IDs (like TN, AL, AR, etc.). How should we deal with this? > > In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. > ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 > > > > On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Cynthia Bennett wrote: > >> Stephanie: >> >> That is a great idea. I had a similar experience as Josh as I voted in >> my first election. They were the 2008 primaries, and I was very >> excited. When the machine did not work, I asked a poll worker to >> assist me. They filled in the ballot as I wished, but the worker did >> make some comments about their preference on a politician. This >> occured when I said that I did not want to vote for a particular >> office, because I was unfamiliar with any of the candidates. I said >> something like, "I don't want to fill in anything for this," and the >> worker responded with "Oh, I heard that ___ is pretty good. Do you >> want me to fill in his/her name?" I chose to still not vote for that >> particular office. This practice is illegal, and I chose not to say >> anything about it. But I do think that an informational call about >> rights and accessible voting machines would be awesome. Unfortunately, >> each state is a little different, but information about federal >> mandates on the presence of accessible voting machines/rights and some >> typical patterns in accessible voting in states would be great. For >> example, Washington conducts mail ballots. There are a few precincts >> around town, but if you work in a neighborhood in which it takes a >> while to get to a precinct, you are at a disadvantage as a blind >> person. So, you can either take off work and use public transportation >> to navigate to one of the few and very busy precincts and wait in a >> 3-hour line, or you can find a reader and disclose your voting >> preferences. The other animal in this issue is that if you choose to >> get a reader to fill out your signature does not match the signature >> on your state ID which is kept on file, then your ballot can be deemed >> as false and not counted. As a blind person, I do the best I can with >> my signature, but I do think that even the most ambitious blind people >> are at a disadvantage when having to match a signature, and our >> ballots could not be counted, and we may not hear about it, or we >> would learn of it after elections are closed. If we are afraid that >> our signature may not match that of our state ID, then we can have 2 >> witnesses sign. But that is 2 more people that have to see my ballot. >> I do not think that this practice is common within the states, and I >> would definitely not like my experience to dominate the nature of the >> call, but I wanted to relay it to show that I think this is a very >> good idea. I would personally like some professional/legal >> advice/legal suggestions on how this can be changed. >> >> So, if you have any suggestions on people to conduct this call, or >> resources for where this information can be found, please share it. If >> not, the membership committee will certainly take the initiative to >> conduct an informative call if we do in fact decide to pursue this >> topic. But I wanted to make sure that since you made the suggestion, >> you are welcome to provide suggestions on people to conduct the call. >> >> I know that someone comes to each NC state convention with an >> accessible voting machine to show in the exhibit hall. During this >> time, people can vote in a fake election and orient themselves to the >> machine. I am not sure if NC is still doing this since it has been a >> few years since the accessible machines were introduced, but I think >> there is still a need for outreach about accessible voting. >> >> Keep the good membership call suggestions coming! >> Cindy >> >> On 8/27/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >> > Hi, Stephanie! >> > That's a great idea! >> > I went to my voting site, earlier this year, and the machine didn't >> work. >> > My Disability Rights person that works for the governor, here said he'd >> come >> > down, to show them how to work it, but he never showed up! >> > Thanks, Joshua >> > ________________________________________ >> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf >> of >> > Stephanie DeLuca [sjhhirst at gmail.com] >> > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 2:53 PM >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS Membership Call Survey >> > >> > I think a discussion on voting as people with disabilities would be >> good. >> > Since a lot of people are on college campuses, it'd be a good >> opportunity to >> > get involved with informing people with disabilities (mainly VI) about >> > rights and responsibilities for voting. I've been to/worked at several >> > voter registration drives, and I have NEVER seen information on voting >> if >> > you have a disability. >> > >> > On Aug 27, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Cody Bair wrote: >> > >> >> Hi All, >> >> As you are probably already aware, NABS conducts monthly membership >> calls. >> >> In order to get this school year started we are currently seeking your >> >> input on what topics you would like to see us cover this year. Please >> >> either reply directly to this thread with your suggestions or mail them >> >> directly to >> >> Nabs.membership at gmail.com >> >> Sincerely, >> >> The NABS membership Committee >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> nabs-l mailing list >> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >> > >> >> >> -- >> Cynthia Bennett >> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >> >> clb5590 at gmail.com >> 828.989.5383 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com >> > > From sjhhirst at gmail.com Tue Aug 28 03:52:39 2012 From: sjhhirst at gmail.com (Stephanie H. DeLuca) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 22:52:39 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Membership Call Survey In-Reply-To: References: <1346095971.37964.YahooMailClassic@web110705.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This website is very informative. The following link takes you to a page where they have links to several laws relevant to people with disabilities. http://www.section508.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=Laws In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: > Heh, I mean Cynthia, sorry! > > In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. > ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 > > > On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: > >> I'm excited to see that other people support the idea of getting involved >> but sad to admit that it's a problem. >> >> My story is this: In 2008, I went for early voting at one of the >> designated places in Nashville. When it was my turn, they designated a >> polling machine to me. Before I began the process, I asked about assisted >> voting. Maybe I should have asked about accessible polling machines? >> Anyway, he just said he'd have to help me and that was the only option I >> had. I turned him down and went through the process myself (I do have some >> vision). >> >> It seems that the voting issues fall into a few categories: >> 1) lack of knowledge of rights/responsibilities on behalf of the voter >> 2) lack of training and knowledge of polling staff >> 3) lack of a functioning accessible voting machine on site >> 4) difficult-to-follow tutorials/instructions for the accessible machine >> >> For me, numbers 1 and 2 seem to be the biggest problems. How do we get >> the word out and how do we insure that the people at the polling places are >> trained and that there is a funcitoning machine available? >> >> I like the idea about having demos. Barring that, would it be possible >> to record a tutorial and post it online? Maybe by someone who has used it >> recently? I've heard that the tutorial provided at the polling place is >> often not straightforward or easy to follow and that a blind user could do >> a better job haha >> >> I think we should at the very least inform people of their rights. I >> think finding the federal law wouldn't be too hard, but some rules vary >> state by state. I'm having trouble tracking down the information for TN, >> for example. Anyway, here is the federal law (I think). >> >> *Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act* >> >> The Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act of 1984 >> generally requires polling places across the United States to be physically >> accessible to people with disabilities for federal elections. Where no >> accessible location is available to serve as a polling place, a political >> subdivision must provide an alternate means of casting a ballot on the day >> of the election. This law also requires states to make available >> registration and voting aids for disabled and elderly voters, including >> information by TTYs (also known as TDDs) or similar devices. For more >> information, contact: >> >> U.S. Department of Justice >> Civil Rights Division >> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >> Voting Section - 1800 G >> Washington, D.C. 20530 >> >> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >> >> >> >> *National Voter Registration Act* >> >> The National Voter Registration Act of 1993, also known as the "Motor >> Voter Act," makes it easier for all Americans to exercise their fundamental >> right to vote. One of the basic purposes of the Act is to increase the >> historically low registration rates of minorities and persons with >> disabilities that have resulted from discrimination. The Motor Voter Act >> requires all offices of State-funded programs that are primarily engaged in >> providing services to persons with disabilities to provide all program >> applicants with voter registration forms, to assist them in completing the >> forms, and to transmit completed forms to the appropriate State official. >> For more information, contact: >> >> U.S. Department of Justice >> Civil Rights Division >> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >> Voting Section - 1800 G >> Washington, D.C. 20530 >> >> www.usdoj.gov/crt/voting >> >> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >> >> It seems that the NFB has a lot of lawyers. Is it possible for us to get >> someone trained in law to help us with this one? >> >> Here is another good resource, the Department of Justice: >> http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/drs/ >> >> One question I have is, why aren't ALL voting machines accessible? It >> seems like this is more of a software issue. Would it not be possible to >> write accessible software to be used on all machines? >> >> One other thing is that we should encourage people to file a complaint if >> they have these aforementioned problems this year and in the future. We >> (the NFB) should provide information on that, as well. >> >> While I think this is a concern for the whole NFB on a national level, I >> think as students, we are in a good spot to target new voters and college >> students who have not voted before. Maybe we could draft a brochure about >> rights and responsibilities and general information (maybe even for people >> who aren't blind but are disabled?) and make sure it gets distributed at >> voter registration drives going on campus. >> >> Cindy also makes a good point about getting to the voting place. Also, >> this will become even more difficult in many states that require valid >> state IDs (like TN, AL, AR, etc.). How should we deal with this? >> >> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >> >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Cynthia Bennett wrote: >> >>> Stephanie: >>> >>> That is a great idea. I had a similar experience as Josh as I voted in >>> my first election. They were the 2008 primaries, and I was very >>> excited. When the machine did not work, I asked a poll worker to >>> assist me. They filled in the ballot as I wished, but the worker did >>> make some comments about their preference on a politician. This >>> occured when I said that I did not want to vote for a particular >>> office, because I was unfamiliar with any of the candidates. I said >>> something like, "I don't want to fill in anything for this," and the >>> worker responded with "Oh, I heard that ___ is pretty good. Do you >>> want me to fill in his/her name?" I chose to still not vote for that >>> particular office. This practice is illegal, and I chose not to say >>> anything about it. But I do think that an informational call about >>> rights and accessible voting machines would be awesome. Unfortunately, >>> each state is a little different, but information about federal >>> mandates on the presence of accessible voting machines/rights and some >>> typical patterns in accessible voting in states would be great. For >>> example, Washington conducts mail ballots. There are a few precincts >>> around town, but if you work in a neighborhood in which it takes a >>> while to get to a precinct, you are at a disadvantage as a blind >>> person. So, you can either take off work and use public transportation >>> to navigate to one of the few and very busy precincts and wait in a >>> 3-hour line, or you can find a reader and disclose your voting >>> preferences. The other animal in this issue is that if you choose to >>> get a reader to fill out your signature does not match the signature >>> on your state ID which is kept on file, then your ballot can be deemed >>> as false and not counted. As a blind person, I do the best I can with >>> my signature, but I do think that even the most ambitious blind people >>> are at a disadvantage when having to match a signature, and our >>> ballots could not be counted, and we may not hear about it, or we >>> would learn of it after elections are closed. If we are afraid that >>> our signature may not match that of our state ID, then we can have 2 >>> witnesses sign. But that is 2 more people that have to see my ballot. >>> I do not think that this practice is common within the states, and I >>> would definitely not like my experience to dominate the nature of the >>> call, but I wanted to relay it to show that I think this is a very >>> good idea. I would personally like some professional/legal >>> advice/legal suggestions on how this can be changed. >>> >>> So, if you have any suggestions on people to conduct this call, or >>> resources for where this information can be found, please share it. If >>> not, the membership committee will certainly take the initiative to >>> conduct an informative call if we do in fact decide to pursue this >>> topic. But I wanted to make sure that since you made the suggestion, >>> you are welcome to provide suggestions on people to conduct the call. >>> >>> I know that someone comes to each NC state convention with an >>> accessible voting machine to show in the exhibit hall. During this >>> time, people can vote in a fake election and orient themselves to the >>> machine. I am not sure if NC is still doing this since it has been a >>> few years since the accessible machines were introduced, but I think >>> there is still a need for outreach about accessible voting. >>> >>> Keep the good membership call suggestions coming! >>> Cindy >>> >>> On 8/27/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> > Hi, Stephanie! >>> > That's a great idea! >>> > I went to my voting site, earlier this year, and the machine didn't >>> work. >>> > My Disability Rights person that works for the governor, here said >>> he'd come >>> > down, to show them how to work it, but he never showed up! >>> > Thanks, Joshua >>> > ________________________________________ >>> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf >>> of >>> > Stephanie DeLuca [sjhhirst at gmail.com] >>> > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 2:53 PM >>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS Membership Call Survey >>> > >>> > I think a discussion on voting as people with disabilities would be >>> good. >>> > Since a lot of people are on college campuses, it'd be a good >>> opportunity to >>> > get involved with informing people with disabilities (mainly VI) about >>> > rights and responsibilities for voting. I've been to/worked at several >>> > voter registration drives, and I have NEVER seen information on voting >>> if >>> > you have a disability. >>> > >>> > On Aug 27, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Cody Bair wrote: >>> > >>> >> Hi All, >>> >> As you are probably already aware, NABS conducts monthly membership >>> calls. >>> >> In order to get this school year started we are currently seeking your >>> >> input on what topics you would like to see us cover this year. Please >>> >> either reply directly to this thread with your suggestions or mail >>> them >>> >> directly to >>> >> Nabs.membership at gmail.com >>> >> Sincerely, >>> >> The NABS membership Committee >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> nabs-l mailing list >>> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> >> nabs-l: >>> >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > nabs-l mailing list >>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> > nabs-l: >>> > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > nabs-l mailing list >>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> > nabs-l: >>> > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >>> > >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Cynthia Bennett >>> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >>> >>> clb5590 at gmail.com >>> 828.989.5383 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com >>> >> >> > From arielle71 at gmail.com Tue Aug 28 04:08:33 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 22:08:33 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Voting Message-ID: When I voted for the first time in 2004 (before Help America Vote Act, HAVA, went into effect) I was living in Arizona and I used a mail-in Braille ballot. I was able to complete the entire process independently and I marked my answers on the ballot by circling them with a pen. I may have had to sign something but my signature was never matched against anything and as far as I know, my vote was counted properly (though my vote never really counts in AZ, but I digress). Do any other states offer accessible Braille ballots? I think it's an awesome idea and was surprised that Colorado apparently does not have them. When I voted again in 2006, I went to the poll excited about using an accessible voting machine, but the machine was nonfunctional. My mother and I had gone to the poll together and I was comfortable having her fill out my ballot, so I did that to ensure my vote went through. In that year the voting machines were brand-new and I reported the problem to an NFB committee that was collecting reports about the successful implementation of the HAVA regulations. I have used the voting machines in CO with no major issues. I am shocked and exasperated that people are still having problems getting the talking machines to work even four years after HAVA went into effect. It is also disturbing that a poll worker would suggest who to vote for when filling out a ballot as a reader and it makes me worry that some poll workers might be altering the votes of the people they assist. It might be good for someone in NABS leadership or on the membership committee to contact someone at national to find out what is currently happening with accessible voting and what the major issues are. I agree an informational call about how to use the voting machines, and what our rights are as blind voters, might be helpful for NABS members, although this of course is not just a student issue. Nevertheless, young folks voting for the first time could uniquely benefit from this info. Arielle On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: > This website is very informative. The following link takes you to a page > where they have links to several laws relevant to people with disabilities. > > http://www.section508.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=Laws > > In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. > ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 > > > On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca > wrote: > >> Heh, I mean Cynthia, sorry! >> >> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca >> wrote: >> >>> I'm excited to see that other people support the idea of getting >>> involved >>> but sad to admit that it's a problem. >>> >>> My story is this: In 2008, I went for early voting at one of the >>> designated places in Nashville. When it was my turn, they designated a >>> polling machine to me. Before I began the process, I asked about >>> assisted >>> voting. Maybe I should have asked about accessible polling machines? >>> Anyway, he just said he'd have to help me and that was the only option >>> I >>> had. I turned him down and went through the process myself (I do have >>> some >>> vision). >>> >>> It seems that the voting issues fall into a few categories: >>> 1) lack of knowledge of rights/responsibilities on behalf of the voter >>> 2) lack of training and knowledge of polling staff >>> 3) lack of a functioning accessible voting machine on site >>> 4) difficult-to-follow tutorials/instructions for the accessible machine >>> >>> For me, numbers 1 and 2 seem to be the biggest problems. How do we get >>> the word out and how do we insure that the people at the polling places >>> are >>> trained and that there is a funcitoning machine available? >>> >>> I like the idea about having demos. Barring that, would it be possible >>> to record a tutorial and post it online? Maybe by someone who has used >>> it >>> recently? I've heard that the tutorial provided at the polling place is >>> often not straightforward or easy to follow and that a blind user could >>> do >>> a better job haha >>> >>> I think we should at the very least inform people of their rights. I >>> think finding the federal law wouldn't be too hard, but some rules vary >>> state by state. I'm having trouble tracking down the information for >>> TN, >>> for example. Anyway, here is the federal law (I think). >>> >>> *Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act* >>> >>> The Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act of 1984 >>> generally requires polling places across the United States to be >>> physically >>> accessible to people with disabilities for federal elections. Where no >>> accessible location is available to serve as a polling place, a >>> political >>> subdivision must provide an alternate means of casting a ballot on the >>> day >>> of the election. This law also requires states to make available >>> registration and voting aids for disabled and elderly voters, including >>> information by TTYs (also known as TDDs) or similar devices. For more >>> information, contact: >>> >>> U.S. Department of Justice >>> Civil Rights Division >>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >>> Voting Section - 1800 G >>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >>> >>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >>> >>> >>> >>> *National Voter Registration Act* >>> >>> The National Voter Registration Act of 1993, also known as the "Motor >>> Voter Act," makes it easier for all Americans to exercise their >>> fundamental >>> right to vote. One of the basic purposes of the Act is to increase the >>> historically low registration rates of minorities and persons with >>> disabilities that have resulted from discrimination. The Motor Voter Act >>> requires all offices of State-funded programs that are primarily engaged >>> in >>> providing services to persons with disabilities to provide all program >>> applicants with voter registration forms, to assist them in completing >>> the >>> forms, and to transmit completed forms to the appropriate State >>> official. >>> For more information, contact: >>> >>> U.S. Department of Justice >>> Civil Rights Division >>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >>> Voting Section - 1800 G >>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >>> >>> www.usdoj.gov/crt/voting >>> >>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >>> >>> It seems that the NFB has a lot of lawyers. Is it possible for us to >>> get >>> someone trained in law to help us with this one? >>> >>> Here is another good resource, the Department of Justice: >>> http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/drs/ >>> >>> One question I have is, why aren't ALL voting machines accessible? It >>> seems like this is more of a software issue. Would it not be possible >>> to >>> write accessible software to be used on all machines? >>> >>> One other thing is that we should encourage people to file a complaint >>> if >>> they have these aforementioned problems this year and in the future. We >>> (the NFB) should provide information on that, as well. >>> >>> While I think this is a concern for the whole NFB on a national level, I >>> think as students, we are in a good spot to target new voters and >>> college >>> students who have not voted before. Maybe we could draft a brochure >>> about >>> rights and responsibilities and general information (maybe even for >>> people >>> who aren't blind but are disabled?) and make sure it gets distributed at >>> voter registration drives going on campus. >>> >>> Cindy also makes a good point about getting to the voting place. Also, >>> this will become even more difficult in many states that require valid >>> state IDs (like TN, AL, AR, etc.). How should we deal with this? >>> >>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Cynthia Bennett >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Stephanie: >>>> >>>> That is a great idea. I had a similar experience as Josh as I voted in >>>> my first election. They were the 2008 primaries, and I was very >>>> excited. When the machine did not work, I asked a poll worker to >>>> assist me. They filled in the ballot as I wished, but the worker did >>>> make some comments about their preference on a politician. This >>>> occured when I said that I did not want to vote for a particular >>>> office, because I was unfamiliar with any of the candidates. I said >>>> something like, "I don't want to fill in anything for this," and the >>>> worker responded with "Oh, I heard that ___ is pretty good. Do you >>>> want me to fill in his/her name?" I chose to still not vote for that >>>> particular office. This practice is illegal, and I chose not to say >>>> anything about it. But I do think that an informational call about >>>> rights and accessible voting machines would be awesome. Unfortunately, >>>> each state is a little different, but information about federal >>>> mandates on the presence of accessible voting machines/rights and some >>>> typical patterns in accessible voting in states would be great. For >>>> example, Washington conducts mail ballots. There are a few precincts >>>> around town, but if you work in a neighborhood in which it takes a >>>> while to get to a precinct, you are at a disadvantage as a blind >>>> person. So, you can either take off work and use public transportation >>>> to navigate to one of the few and very busy precincts and wait in a >>>> 3-hour line, or you can find a reader and disclose your voting >>>> preferences. The other animal in this issue is that if you choose to >>>> get a reader to fill out your signature does not match the signature >>>> on your state ID which is kept on file, then your ballot can be deemed >>>> as false and not counted. As a blind person, I do the best I can with >>>> my signature, but I do think that even the most ambitious blind people >>>> are at a disadvantage when having to match a signature, and our >>>> ballots could not be counted, and we may not hear about it, or we >>>> would learn of it after elections are closed. If we are afraid that >>>> our signature may not match that of our state ID, then we can have 2 >>>> witnesses sign. But that is 2 more people that have to see my ballot. >>>> I do not think that this practice is common within the states, and I >>>> would definitely not like my experience to dominate the nature of the >>>> call, but I wanted to relay it to show that I think this is a very >>>> good idea. I would personally like some professional/legal >>>> advice/legal suggestions on how this can be changed. >>>> >>>> So, if you have any suggestions on people to conduct this call, or >>>> resources for where this information can be found, please share it. If >>>> not, the membership committee will certainly take the initiative to >>>> conduct an informative call if we do in fact decide to pursue this >>>> topic. But I wanted to make sure that since you made the suggestion, >>>> you are welcome to provide suggestions on people to conduct the call. >>>> >>>> I know that someone comes to each NC state convention with an >>>> accessible voting machine to show in the exhibit hall. During this >>>> time, people can vote in a fake election and orient themselves to the >>>> machine. I am not sure if NC is still doing this since it has been a >>>> few years since the accessible machines were introduced, but I think >>>> there is still a need for outreach about accessible voting. >>>> >>>> Keep the good membership call suggestions coming! >>>> Cindy >>>> >>>> On 8/27/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>> > Hi, Stephanie! >>>> > That's a great idea! >>>> > I went to my voting site, earlier this year, and the machine didn't >>>> work. >>>> > My Disability Rights person that works for the governor, here said >>>> he'd come >>>> > down, to show them how to work it, but he never showed up! >>>> > Thanks, Joshua >>>> > ________________________________________ >>>> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf >>>> of >>>> > Stephanie DeLuca [sjhhirst at gmail.com] >>>> > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 2:53 PM >>>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS Membership Call Survey >>>> > >>>> > I think a discussion on voting as people with disabilities would be >>>> good. >>>> > Since a lot of people are on college campuses, it'd be a good >>>> opportunity to >>>> > get involved with informing people with disabilities (mainly VI) >>>> > about >>>> > rights and responsibilities for voting. I've been to/worked at >>>> > several >>>> > voter registration drives, and I have NEVER seen information on >>>> > voting >>>> if >>>> > you have a disability. >>>> > >>>> > On Aug 27, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Cody Bair wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> Hi All, >>>> >> As you are probably already aware, NABS conducts monthly membership >>>> calls. >>>> >> In order to get this school year started we are currently seeking >>>> >> your >>>> >> input on what topics you would like to see us cover this year. >>>> >> Please >>>> >> either reply directly to this thread with your suggestions or mail >>>> them >>>> >> directly to >>>> >> Nabs.membership at gmail.com >>>> >> Sincerely, >>>> >> The NABS membership Committee >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> nabs-l mailing list >>>> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> >> for >>>> >> nabs-l: >>>> >> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > nabs-l mailing list >>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> > nabs-l: >>>> > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > nabs-l mailing list >>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> > nabs-l: >>>> > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Cynthia Bennett >>>> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >>>> >>>> clb5590 at gmail.com >>>> 828.989.5383 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From clb5590 at gmail.com Tue Aug 28 04:09:19 2012 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cynthia Bennett) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 21:09:19 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Membership Call Survey In-Reply-To: References: <1346095971.37964.YahooMailClassic@web110705.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Stephanie: This is great informaition. Thanks for going so much in depth. The ID issue is the easiest. I don't know of a state that doesn't offer a nondriving photo ID. This can be obtained wherever you would go to get your driver's license. It looks just like and contains all of the information that a driver's license contains. It is a legitimate form of ID. I had no problems at the precincts in NC when I showed my photo ID. Where ID's relate to my concern is that when you get your ID, you have to sign the bottom. The DMV that I went to had an electronic pad that you sign with a stylus. I typically like to place a finger down on a paper to orient myself before I write my signature. But touching the electronic pad made a finger print. After a few unsuccessful tries, the agent gave me an index card, and they elected to process my signature the old way. This was helpful, but even though I have been signing my name since I was 7, I really don't have any way of knowing if I have signed my name exactly the way it looks on my state ID; this signature is kept on file with the state so they don't actually have to look at your ID to see it. I know that the intentions of this are good and in place to prevent voter fraud, but as a blind person, I feel like it pretty much gives me no choice but to find 2 witnesses to sign my ballot and varify my signature, and I think that is unfair since a sighted person can fill out their ballot independently and forego the long precinct lines since they are located far and few between due to the mailed-out ballots being the primary method used for voting. I'm sure the membership committee will look at all of this information and decide if this call is a good idea, which I think we will, and we will work to find appropriate people to conduct the call. Thanks so much for the information. It was really great to read. And, I go by Cindy so that's fine. Cindy On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: > This website is very informative. The following link takes you to a page > where they have links to several laws relevant to people with disabilities. > > http://www.section508.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=Laws > > In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. > ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 > > > On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca > wrote: > >> Heh, I mean Cynthia, sorry! >> >> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca >> wrote: >> >>> I'm excited to see that other people support the idea of getting >>> involved >>> but sad to admit that it's a problem. >>> >>> My story is this: In 2008, I went for early voting at one of the >>> designated places in Nashville. When it was my turn, they designated a >>> polling machine to me. Before I began the process, I asked about >>> assisted >>> voting. Maybe I should have asked about accessible polling machines? >>> Anyway, he just said he'd have to help me and that was the only option >>> I >>> had. I turned him down and went through the process myself (I do have >>> some >>> vision). >>> >>> It seems that the voting issues fall into a few categories: >>> 1) lack of knowledge of rights/responsibilities on behalf of the voter >>> 2) lack of training and knowledge of polling staff >>> 3) lack of a functioning accessible voting machine on site >>> 4) difficult-to-follow tutorials/instructions for the accessible machine >>> >>> For me, numbers 1 and 2 seem to be the biggest problems. How do we get >>> the word out and how do we insure that the people at the polling places >>> are >>> trained and that there is a funcitoning machine available? >>> >>> I like the idea about having demos. Barring that, would it be possible >>> to record a tutorial and post it online? Maybe by someone who has used >>> it >>> recently? I've heard that the tutorial provided at the polling place is >>> often not straightforward or easy to follow and that a blind user could >>> do >>> a better job haha >>> >>> I think we should at the very least inform people of their rights. I >>> think finding the federal law wouldn't be too hard, but some rules vary >>> state by state. I'm having trouble tracking down the information for >>> TN, >>> for example. Anyway, here is the federal law (I think). >>> >>> *Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act* >>> >>> The Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act of 1984 >>> generally requires polling places across the United States to be >>> physically >>> accessible to people with disabilities for federal elections. Where no >>> accessible location is available to serve as a polling place, a >>> political >>> subdivision must provide an alternate means of casting a ballot on the >>> day >>> of the election. This law also requires states to make available >>> registration and voting aids for disabled and elderly voters, including >>> information by TTYs (also known as TDDs) or similar devices. For more >>> information, contact: >>> >>> U.S. Department of Justice >>> Civil Rights Division >>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >>> Voting Section - 1800 G >>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >>> >>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >>> >>> >>> >>> *National Voter Registration Act* >>> >>> The National Voter Registration Act of 1993, also known as the "Motor >>> Voter Act," makes it easier for all Americans to exercise their >>> fundamental >>> right to vote. One of the basic purposes of the Act is to increase the >>> historically low registration rates of minorities and persons with >>> disabilities that have resulted from discrimination. The Motor Voter Act >>> requires all offices of State-funded programs that are primarily engaged >>> in >>> providing services to persons with disabilities to provide all program >>> applicants with voter registration forms, to assist them in completing >>> the >>> forms, and to transmit completed forms to the appropriate State >>> official. >>> For more information, contact: >>> >>> U.S. Department of Justice >>> Civil Rights Division >>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >>> Voting Section - 1800 G >>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >>> >>> www.usdoj.gov/crt/voting >>> >>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >>> >>> It seems that the NFB has a lot of lawyers. Is it possible for us to >>> get >>> someone trained in law to help us with this one? >>> >>> Here is another good resource, the Department of Justice: >>> http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/drs/ >>> >>> One question I have is, why aren't ALL voting machines accessible? It >>> seems like this is more of a software issue. Would it not be possible >>> to >>> write accessible software to be used on all machines? >>> >>> One other thing is that we should encourage people to file a complaint >>> if >>> they have these aforementioned problems this year and in the future. We >>> (the NFB) should provide information on that, as well. >>> >>> While I think this is a concern for the whole NFB on a national level, I >>> think as students, we are in a good spot to target new voters and >>> college >>> students who have not voted before. Maybe we could draft a brochure >>> about >>> rights and responsibilities and general information (maybe even for >>> people >>> who aren't blind but are disabled?) and make sure it gets distributed at >>> voter registration drives going on campus. >>> >>> Cindy also makes a good point about getting to the voting place. Also, >>> this will become even more difficult in many states that require valid >>> state IDs (like TN, AL, AR, etc.). How should we deal with this? >>> >>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Cynthia Bennett >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Stephanie: >>>> >>>> That is a great idea. I had a similar experience as Josh as I voted in >>>> my first election. They were the 2008 primaries, and I was very >>>> excited. When the machine did not work, I asked a poll worker to >>>> assist me. They filled in the ballot as I wished, but the worker did >>>> make some comments about their preference on a politician. This >>>> occured when I said that I did not want to vote for a particular >>>> office, because I was unfamiliar with any of the candidates. I said >>>> something like, "I don't want to fill in anything for this," and the >>>> worker responded with "Oh, I heard that ___ is pretty good. Do you >>>> want me to fill in his/her name?" I chose to still not vote for that >>>> particular office. This practice is illegal, and I chose not to say >>>> anything about it. But I do think that an informational call about >>>> rights and accessible voting machines would be awesome. Unfortunately, >>>> each state is a little different, but information about federal >>>> mandates on the presence of accessible voting machines/rights and some >>>> typical patterns in accessible voting in states would be great. For >>>> example, Washington conducts mail ballots. There are a few precincts >>>> around town, but if you work in a neighborhood in which it takes a >>>> while to get to a precinct, you are at a disadvantage as a blind >>>> person. So, you can either take off work and use public transportation >>>> to navigate to one of the few and very busy precincts and wait in a >>>> 3-hour line, or you can find a reader and disclose your voting >>>> preferences. The other animal in this issue is that if you choose to >>>> get a reader to fill out your signature does not match the signature >>>> on your state ID which is kept on file, then your ballot can be deemed >>>> as false and not counted. As a blind person, I do the best I can with >>>> my signature, but I do think that even the most ambitious blind people >>>> are at a disadvantage when having to match a signature, and our >>>> ballots could not be counted, and we may not hear about it, or we >>>> would learn of it after elections are closed. If we are afraid that >>>> our signature may not match that of our state ID, then we can have 2 >>>> witnesses sign. But that is 2 more people that have to see my ballot. >>>> I do not think that this practice is common within the states, and I >>>> would definitely not like my experience to dominate the nature of the >>>> call, but I wanted to relay it to show that I think this is a very >>>> good idea. I would personally like some professional/legal >>>> advice/legal suggestions on how this can be changed. >>>> >>>> So, if you have any suggestions on people to conduct this call, or >>>> resources for where this information can be found, please share it. If >>>> not, the membership committee will certainly take the initiative to >>>> conduct an informative call if we do in fact decide to pursue this >>>> topic. But I wanted to make sure that since you made the suggestion, >>>> you are welcome to provide suggestions on people to conduct the call. >>>> >>>> I know that someone comes to each NC state convention with an >>>> accessible voting machine to show in the exhibit hall. During this >>>> time, people can vote in a fake election and orient themselves to the >>>> machine. I am not sure if NC is still doing this since it has been a >>>> few years since the accessible machines were introduced, but I think >>>> there is still a need for outreach about accessible voting. >>>> >>>> Keep the good membership call suggestions coming! >>>> Cindy >>>> >>>> On 8/27/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>> > Hi, Stephanie! >>>> > That's a great idea! >>>> > I went to my voting site, earlier this year, and the machine didn't >>>> work. >>>> > My Disability Rights person that works for the governor, here said >>>> he'd come >>>> > down, to show them how to work it, but he never showed up! >>>> > Thanks, Joshua >>>> > ________________________________________ >>>> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf >>>> of >>>> > Stephanie DeLuca [sjhhirst at gmail.com] >>>> > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 2:53 PM >>>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS Membership Call Survey >>>> > >>>> > I think a discussion on voting as people with disabilities would be >>>> good. >>>> > Since a lot of people are on college campuses, it'd be a good >>>> opportunity to >>>> > get involved with informing people with disabilities (mainly VI) >>>> > about >>>> > rights and responsibilities for voting. I've been to/worked at >>>> > several >>>> > voter registration drives, and I have NEVER seen information on >>>> > voting >>>> if >>>> > you have a disability. >>>> > >>>> > On Aug 27, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Cody Bair wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> Hi All, >>>> >> As you are probably already aware, NABS conducts monthly membership >>>> calls. >>>> >> In order to get this school year started we are currently seeking >>>> >> your >>>> >> input on what topics you would like to see us cover this year. >>>> >> Please >>>> >> either reply directly to this thread with your suggestions or mail >>>> them >>>> >> directly to >>>> >> Nabs.membership at gmail.com >>>> >> Sincerely, >>>> >> The NABS membership Committee >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> nabs-l mailing list >>>> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> >> for >>>> >> nabs-l: >>>> >> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > nabs-l mailing list >>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> > nabs-l: >>>> > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > nabs-l mailing list >>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> > nabs-l: >>>> > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Cynthia Bennett >>>> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >>>> >>>> clb5590 at gmail.com >>>> 828.989.5383 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com > -- Cynthia Bennett B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com 828.989.5383 From sjhhirst at gmail.com Tue Aug 28 04:15:49 2012 From: sjhhirst at gmail.com (Stephanie H. DeLuca) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 23:15:49 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Membership Call Survey In-Reply-To: References: <1346095971.37964.YahooMailClassic@web110705.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hm my main concern with the IDs is that people have to get to the DMV somehow. In places like Nashville, that's not exactly straightforward. I guess they could take a cab? It just sucks because, I think before, people could just use a student ID (speaking about our own age group). Now, the states have made it more difficult than it already was. Rhode Island has an interesting approach to this (and someone correct me if I'm wrong). If you don't have a state ID on you at the polling place, you can sign an affidavit of identity, which basically just certifies that you are who you say you are. I like this idea (well, except for the whole signature thing, which I had never thought about). http://www.ncsl.org/legislatures-elections/elections/voter-id.aspx In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Cynthia Bennett wrote: > Stephanie: > > This is great informaition. Thanks for going so much in depth. > > The ID issue is the easiest. I don't know of a state that doesn't > offer a nondriving photo ID. This can be obtained wherever you would > go to get your driver's license. It looks just like and contains all > of the information that a driver's license contains. It is a > legitimate form of ID. I had no problems at the precincts in NC when I > showed my photo ID. > > Where ID's relate to my concern is that when you get your ID, you have > to sign the bottom. The DMV that I went to had an electronic pad that > you sign with a stylus. I typically like to place a finger down on a > paper to orient myself before I write my signature. But touching the > electronic pad made a finger print. After a few unsuccessful tries, > the agent gave me an index card, and they elected to process my > signature the old way. This was helpful, but even though I have been > signing my name since I was 7, I really don't have any way of knowing > if I have signed my name exactly the way it looks on my state ID; this > signature is kept on file with the state so they don't actually have > to look at your ID to see it. I know that the intentions of this are > good and in place to prevent voter fraud, but as a blind person, I > feel like it pretty much gives me no choice but to find 2 witnesses to > sign my ballot and varify my signature, and I think that is unfair > since a sighted person can fill out their ballot independently and > forego the long precinct lines since they are located far and few > between due to the mailed-out ballots being the primary method used > for voting. > > I'm sure the membership committee will look at all of this information > and decide if this call is a good idea, which I think we will, and we > will work to find appropriate people to conduct the call. Thanks so > much for the information. It was really great to read. > > And, I go by Cindy so that's fine. > > Cindy > > On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: > > This website is very informative. The following link takes you to a page > > where they have links to several laws relevant to people with > disabilities. > > > > http://www.section508.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=Laws > > > > In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. > > ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca > > wrote: > > > >> Heh, I mean Cynthia, sorry! > >> > >> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. > >> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 > >> > >> > >> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca > >> wrote: > >> > >>> I'm excited to see that other people support the idea of getting > >>> involved > >>> but sad to admit that it's a problem. > >>> > >>> My story is this: In 2008, I went for early voting at one of the > >>> designated places in Nashville. When it was my turn, they designated a > >>> polling machine to me. Before I began the process, I asked about > >>> assisted > >>> voting. Maybe I should have asked about accessible polling machines? > >>> Anyway, he just said he'd have to help me and that was the only option > >>> I > >>> had. I turned him down and went through the process myself (I do have > >>> some > >>> vision). > >>> > >>> It seems that the voting issues fall into a few categories: > >>> 1) lack of knowledge of rights/responsibilities on behalf of the voter > >>> 2) lack of training and knowledge of polling staff > >>> 3) lack of a functioning accessible voting machine on site > >>> 4) difficult-to-follow tutorials/instructions for the accessible > machine > >>> > >>> For me, numbers 1 and 2 seem to be the biggest problems. How do we get > >>> the word out and how do we insure that the people at the polling places > >>> are > >>> trained and that there is a funcitoning machine available? > >>> > >>> I like the idea about having demos. Barring that, would it be possible > >>> to record a tutorial and post it online? Maybe by someone who has used > >>> it > >>> recently? I've heard that the tutorial provided at the polling place > is > >>> often not straightforward or easy to follow and that a blind user could > >>> do > >>> a better job haha > >>> > >>> I think we should at the very least inform people of their rights. I > >>> think finding the federal law wouldn't be too hard, but some rules vary > >>> state by state. I'm having trouble tracking down the information for > >>> TN, > >>> for example. Anyway, here is the federal law (I think). > >>> > >>> *Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act* > >>> > >>> The Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act of 1984 > >>> generally requires polling places across the United States to be > >>> physically > >>> accessible to people with disabilities for federal elections. Where no > >>> accessible location is available to serve as a polling place, a > >>> political > >>> subdivision must provide an alternate means of casting a ballot on the > >>> day > >>> of the election. This law also requires states to make available > >>> registration and voting aids for disabled and elderly voters, including > >>> information by TTYs (also known as TDDs) or similar devices. For more > >>> information, contact: > >>> > >>> U.S. Department of Justice > >>> Civil Rights Division > >>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. > >>> Voting Section - 1800 G > >>> Washington, D.C. 20530 > >>> > >>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> *National Voter Registration Act* > >>> > >>> The National Voter Registration Act of 1993, also known as the "Motor > >>> Voter Act," makes it easier for all Americans to exercise their > >>> fundamental > >>> right to vote. One of the basic purposes of the Act is to increase the > >>> historically low registration rates of minorities and persons with > >>> disabilities that have resulted from discrimination. The Motor Voter > Act > >>> requires all offices of State-funded programs that are primarily > engaged > >>> in > >>> providing services to persons with disabilities to provide all program > >>> applicants with voter registration forms, to assist them in completing > >>> the > >>> forms, and to transmit completed forms to the appropriate State > >>> official. > >>> For more information, contact: > >>> > >>> U.S. Department of Justice > >>> Civil Rights Division > >>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. > >>> Voting Section - 1800 G > >>> Washington, D.C. 20530 > >>> > >>> www.usdoj.gov/crt/voting > >>> > >>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) > >>> > >>> It seems that the NFB has a lot of lawyers. Is it possible for us to > >>> get > >>> someone trained in law to help us with this one? > >>> > >>> Here is another good resource, the Department of Justice: > >>> http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/drs/ > >>> > >>> One question I have is, why aren't ALL voting machines accessible? It > >>> seems like this is more of a software issue. Would it not be possible > >>> to > >>> write accessible software to be used on all machines? > >>> > >>> One other thing is that we should encourage people to file a complaint > >>> if > >>> they have these aforementioned problems this year and in the future. > We > >>> (the NFB) should provide information on that, as well. > >>> > >>> While I think this is a concern for the whole NFB on a national level, > I > >>> think as students, we are in a good spot to target new voters and > >>> college > >>> students who have not voted before. Maybe we could draft a brochure > >>> about > >>> rights and responsibilities and general information (maybe even for > >>> people > >>> who aren't blind but are disabled?) and make sure it gets distributed > at > >>> voter registration drives going on campus. > >>> > >>> Cindy also makes a good point about getting to the voting place. Also, > >>> this will become even more difficult in many states that require valid > >>> state IDs (like TN, AL, AR, etc.). How should we deal with this? > >>> > >>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. > >>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Cynthia Bennett > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Stephanie: > >>>> > >>>> That is a great idea. I had a similar experience as Josh as I voted in > >>>> my first election. They were the 2008 primaries, and I was very > >>>> excited. When the machine did not work, I asked a poll worker to > >>>> assist me. They filled in the ballot as I wished, but the worker did > >>>> make some comments about their preference on a politician. This > >>>> occured when I said that I did not want to vote for a particular > >>>> office, because I was unfamiliar with any of the candidates. I said > >>>> something like, "I don't want to fill in anything for this," and the > >>>> worker responded with "Oh, I heard that ___ is pretty good. Do you > >>>> want me to fill in his/her name?" I chose to still not vote for that > >>>> particular office. This practice is illegal, and I chose not to say > >>>> anything about it. But I do think that an informational call about > >>>> rights and accessible voting machines would be awesome. Unfortunately, > >>>> each state is a little different, but information about federal > >>>> mandates on the presence of accessible voting machines/rights and some > >>>> typical patterns in accessible voting in states would be great. For > >>>> example, Washington conducts mail ballots. There are a few precincts > >>>> around town, but if you work in a neighborhood in which it takes a > >>>> while to get to a precinct, you are at a disadvantage as a blind > >>>> person. So, you can either take off work and use public transportation > >>>> to navigate to one of the few and very busy precincts and wait in a > >>>> 3-hour line, or you can find a reader and disclose your voting > >>>> preferences. The other animal in this issue is that if you choose to > >>>> get a reader to fill out your signature does not match the signature > >>>> on your state ID which is kept on file, then your ballot can be deemed > >>>> as false and not counted. As a blind person, I do the best I can with > >>>> my signature, but I do think that even the most ambitious blind people > >>>> are at a disadvantage when having to match a signature, and our > >>>> ballots could not be counted, and we may not hear about it, or we > >>>> would learn of it after elections are closed. If we are afraid that > >>>> our signature may not match that of our state ID, then we can have 2 > >>>> witnesses sign. But that is 2 more people that have to see my ballot. > >>>> I do not think that this practice is common within the states, and I > >>>> would definitely not like my experience to dominate the nature of the > >>>> call, but I wanted to relay it to show that I think this is a very > >>>> good idea. I would personally like some professional/legal > >>>> advice/legal suggestions on how this can be changed. > >>>> > >>>> So, if you have any suggestions on people to conduct this call, or > >>>> resources for where this information can be found, please share it. If > >>>> not, the membership committee will certainly take the initiative to > >>>> conduct an informative call if we do in fact decide to pursue this > >>>> topic. But I wanted to make sure that since you made the suggestion, > >>>> you are welcome to provide suggestions on people to conduct the call. > >>>> > >>>> I know that someone comes to each NC state convention with an > >>>> accessible voting machine to show in the exhibit hall. During this > >>>> time, people can vote in a fake election and orient themselves to the > >>>> machine. I am not sure if NC is still doing this since it has been a > >>>> few years since the accessible machines were introduced, but I think > >>>> there is still a need for outreach about accessible voting. > >>>> > >>>> Keep the good membership call suggestions coming! > >>>> Cindy > >>>> > >>>> On 8/27/12, Joshua Lester > wrote: > >>>> > Hi, Stephanie! > >>>> > That's a great idea! > >>>> > I went to my voting site, earlier this year, and the machine didn't > >>>> work. > >>>> > My Disability Rights person that works for the governor, here said > >>>> he'd come > >>>> > down, to show them how to work it, but he never showed up! > >>>> > Thanks, Joshua > >>>> > ________________________________________ > >>>> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on > behalf > >>>> of > >>>> > Stephanie DeLuca [sjhhirst at gmail.com] > >>>> > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 2:53 PM > >>>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >>>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS Membership Call Survey > >>>> > > >>>> > I think a discussion on voting as people with disabilities would be > >>>> good. > >>>> > Since a lot of people are on college campuses, it'd be a good > >>>> opportunity to > >>>> > get involved with informing people with disabilities (mainly VI) > >>>> > about > >>>> > rights and responsibilities for voting. I've been to/worked at > >>>> > several > >>>> > voter registration drives, and I have NEVER seen information on > >>>> > voting > >>>> if > >>>> > you have a disability. > >>>> > > >>>> > On Aug 27, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Cody Bair wrote: > >>>> > > >>>> >> Hi All, > >>>> >> As you are probably already aware, NABS conducts monthly membership > >>>> calls. > >>>> >> In order to get this school year started we are currently seeking > >>>> >> your > >>>> >> input on what topics you would like to see us cover this year. > >>>> >> Please > >>>> >> either reply directly to this thread with your suggestions or mail > >>>> them > >>>> >> directly to > >>>> >> Nabs.membership at gmail.com > >>>> >> Sincerely, > >>>> >> The NABS membership Committee > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> _______________________________________________ > >>>> >> nabs-l mailing list > >>>> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >>>> >> for > >>>> >> nabs-l: > >>>> >> > >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > _______________________________________________ > >>>> > nabs-l mailing list > >>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > >>>> > nabs-l: > >>>> > > >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > _______________________________________________ > >>>> > nabs-l mailing list > >>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > >>>> > nabs-l: > >>>> > > >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com > >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Cynthia Bennett > >>>> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington > >>>> > >>>> clb5590 at gmail.com > >>>> 828.989.5383 > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>> nabs-l: > >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com > > > > > -- > Cynthia Bennett > B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington > > clb5590 at gmail.com > 828.989.5383 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com > From mysticalcharm at comcast.net Tue Aug 28 04:23:29 2012 From: mysticalcharm at comcast.net (Melissa Hambleton) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 00:23:29 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Using Google Docs References: <1346095971.37964.YahooMailClassic@web110705.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00c901cd84d4$e9f54170$0201a8c0@bfa617c5f939410> With my experience, it is not accessible. The only thing that I have had to view and fill out are tables and it requires me to have a sighted person help me fill out the fields. I subscribe to a technology for the blind mailing list and I have asked about Google docs early this year and some folks got back to me saying that it was not accessible for them but, I don't know what they were trying to access through Google docs. I have an App for Google docs and it doesn't make things any better, if anything it makes it worse to try and read anything for me. What ever Google does when creating Google docs has some people in the blind community puzzled with how they have it set up because it just doesn't work well at all for the ones who use screen readers I believe. Melissa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Mohnke" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 9:00 PM Subject: [nabs-l] Using Google Docs > Hello List, > > I know there has been some discussion before on this list about the > accessibility of Google Docks. However, I cannot recall how accessible > this file sharing tool is for those of us who are blind. > My college sent me one of my textbooks using Google Docs, and before I > tell them that it is inaccessible, I thought I would seek out a second > opinion on this list. > > So, for those of you who are more tech savvy than me, is there a way to > access files on Google Docs, and if so, how would I go about doing it? The > files I am trying to access are PDF files if that makes a difference. I > have tried using both Internet Explorer and Mozilla FireFox without any > success. > If anyone has any advice on using Google Docs, I would greatly appreciate > hearing from you. > > Thanks, > Elizabeth > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mysticalcharm%40comcast.net > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5229 - Release Date: 08/27/12 > From sparklylicious at gmail.com Tue Aug 28 04:48:08 2012 From: sparklylicious at gmail.com (Hannah Chadwick) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 21:48:08 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Taking a Course in Chinese Message-ID: <002301cd84d8$52893ae0$f79bb0a0$@gmail.com> Hello everyone, I've been on the list for quite a while now, but haven't introduced myself to those of you who joined in the last year or so. my name is Hannah Chadwick, and I'm attending UC Davis this fall. I'm planning on double majoring in international relations and linguistics with a minor in journalism. I love learning new languages, and will be taking a Chinese class. I took Spanish for 2 years in high school and I was able to use my BrailleNote for that, but I'm not sure that doing my Chinese work on the Apex will be the best idea since the alphabet will be completely different. Has anyone taken a Chinese course before? If so, what did you do in terms of writing the Chinese alphabet? Are there software out to that would read the language? Best, Hannah From arielle71 at gmail.com Tue Aug 28 05:15:47 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 23:15:47 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] ID's and Voting Message-ID: Hi all, I think it is fair for a blind person to need to get a state ID card or non-driving license. Going to the DMV sucks but it sucks for sighted people too. Having some kind of legal identification is just part of living in this country as an adult and enables us to participate in all the same activities as those with drivers' licenses, including flying on airplanes and passing the age test to buy alcohol (I don't think student ID is acceptable for either of these things, whether you are sighted or blind). I do, however, agree that requiring a blind person to give a signature that matches one on file is probably unfair even if it is not intended to be discriminatory. A blind person could get around this by signing with a stamp, though I'm not sure how long those last. Arielle On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: > Hm my main concern with the IDs is that people have to get to the DMV > somehow. In places like Nashville, that's not exactly straightforward. I > guess they could take a cab? It just sucks because, I think before, people > could just use a student ID (speaking about our own age group). Now, the > states have made it more difficult than it already was. > > Rhode Island has an interesting approach to this (and someone correct me if > I'm wrong). If you don't have a state ID on you at the polling place, you > can sign an affidavit of identity, which basically just certifies that you > are who you say you are. I like this idea (well, except for the whole > signature thing, which I had never thought about). > > http://www.ncsl.org/legislatures-elections/elections/voter-id.aspx > > > In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. > ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 > > > On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Cynthia Bennett > wrote: > >> Stephanie: >> >> This is great informaition. Thanks for going so much in depth. >> >> The ID issue is the easiest. I don't know of a state that doesn't >> offer a nondriving photo ID. This can be obtained wherever you would >> go to get your driver's license. It looks just like and contains all >> of the information that a driver's license contains. It is a >> legitimate form of ID. I had no problems at the precincts in NC when I >> showed my photo ID. >> >> Where ID's relate to my concern is that when you get your ID, you have >> to sign the bottom. The DMV that I went to had an electronic pad that >> you sign with a stylus. I typically like to place a finger down on a >> paper to orient myself before I write my signature. But touching the >> electronic pad made a finger print. After a few unsuccessful tries, >> the agent gave me an index card, and they elected to process my >> signature the old way. This was helpful, but even though I have been >> signing my name since I was 7, I really don't have any way of knowing >> if I have signed my name exactly the way it looks on my state ID; this >> signature is kept on file with the state so they don't actually have >> to look at your ID to see it. I know that the intentions of this are >> good and in place to prevent voter fraud, but as a blind person, I >> feel like it pretty much gives me no choice but to find 2 witnesses to >> sign my ballot and varify my signature, and I think that is unfair >> since a sighted person can fill out their ballot independently and >> forego the long precinct lines since they are located far and few >> between due to the mailed-out ballots being the primary method used >> for voting. >> >> I'm sure the membership committee will look at all of this information >> and decide if this call is a good idea, which I think we will, and we >> will work to find appropriate people to conduct the call. Thanks so >> much for the information. It was really great to read. >> >> And, I go by Cindy so that's fine. >> >> Cindy >> >> On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: >> > This website is very informative. The following link takes you to a >> > page >> > where they have links to several laws relevant to people with >> disabilities. >> > >> > http://www.section508.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=Laws >> > >> > In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >> > ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca >> > wrote: >> > >> >> Heh, I mean Cynthia, sorry! >> >> >> >> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >> >> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> I'm excited to see that other people support the idea of getting >> >>> involved >> >>> but sad to admit that it's a problem. >> >>> >> >>> My story is this: In 2008, I went for early voting at one of the >> >>> designated places in Nashville. When it was my turn, they designated >> >>> a >> >>> polling machine to me. Before I began the process, I asked about >> >>> assisted >> >>> voting. Maybe I should have asked about accessible polling machines? >> >>> Anyway, he just said he'd have to help me and that was the only >> >>> option >> >>> I >> >>> had. I turned him down and went through the process myself (I do >> >>> have >> >>> some >> >>> vision). >> >>> >> >>> It seems that the voting issues fall into a few categories: >> >>> 1) lack of knowledge of rights/responsibilities on behalf of the >> >>> voter >> >>> 2) lack of training and knowledge of polling staff >> >>> 3) lack of a functioning accessible voting machine on site >> >>> 4) difficult-to-follow tutorials/instructions for the accessible >> machine >> >>> >> >>> For me, numbers 1 and 2 seem to be the biggest problems. How do we >> >>> get >> >>> the word out and how do we insure that the people at the polling >> >>> places >> >>> are >> >>> trained and that there is a funcitoning machine available? >> >>> >> >>> I like the idea about having demos. Barring that, would it be >> >>> possible >> >>> to record a tutorial and post it online? Maybe by someone who has >> >>> used >> >>> it >> >>> recently? I've heard that the tutorial provided at the polling place >> is >> >>> often not straightforward or easy to follow and that a blind user >> >>> could >> >>> do >> >>> a better job haha >> >>> >> >>> I think we should at the very least inform people of their rights. I >> >>> think finding the federal law wouldn't be too hard, but some rules >> >>> vary >> >>> state by state. I'm having trouble tracking down the information for >> >>> TN, >> >>> for example. Anyway, here is the federal law (I think). >> >>> >> >>> *Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act* >> >>> >> >>> The Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act of 1984 >> >>> generally requires polling places across the United States to be >> >>> physically >> >>> accessible to people with disabilities for federal elections. Where >> >>> no >> >>> accessible location is available to serve as a polling place, a >> >>> political >> >>> subdivision must provide an alternate means of casting a ballot on >> >>> the >> >>> day >> >>> of the election. This law also requires states to make available >> >>> registration and voting aids for disabled and elderly voters, >> >>> including >> >>> information by TTYs (also known as TDDs) or similar devices. For more >> >>> information, contact: >> >>> >> >>> U.S. Department of Justice >> >>> Civil Rights Division >> >>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >> >>> Voting Section - 1800 G >> >>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >> >>> >> >>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> *National Voter Registration Act* >> >>> >> >>> The National Voter Registration Act of 1993, also known as the "Motor >> >>> Voter Act," makes it easier for all Americans to exercise their >> >>> fundamental >> >>> right to vote. One of the basic purposes of the Act is to increase >> >>> the >> >>> historically low registration rates of minorities and persons with >> >>> disabilities that have resulted from discrimination. The Motor Voter >> Act >> >>> requires all offices of State-funded programs that are primarily >> engaged >> >>> in >> >>> providing services to persons with disabilities to provide all >> >>> program >> >>> applicants with voter registration forms, to assist them in >> >>> completing >> >>> the >> >>> forms, and to transmit completed forms to the appropriate State >> >>> official. >> >>> For more information, contact: >> >>> >> >>> U.S. Department of Justice >> >>> Civil Rights Division >> >>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >> >>> Voting Section - 1800 G >> >>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >> >>> >> >>> www.usdoj.gov/crt/voting >> >>> >> >>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >> >>> >> >>> It seems that the NFB has a lot of lawyers. Is it possible for us to >> >>> get >> >>> someone trained in law to help us with this one? >> >>> >> >>> Here is another good resource, the Department of Justice: >> >>> http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/drs/ >> >>> >> >>> One question I have is, why aren't ALL voting machines accessible? >> >>> It >> >>> seems like this is more of a software issue. Would it not be >> >>> possible >> >>> to >> >>> write accessible software to be used on all machines? >> >>> >> >>> One other thing is that we should encourage people to file a >> >>> complaint >> >>> if >> >>> they have these aforementioned problems this year and in the future. >> We >> >>> (the NFB) should provide information on that, as well. >> >>> >> >>> While I think this is a concern for the whole NFB on a national >> >>> level, >> I >> >>> think as students, we are in a good spot to target new voters and >> >>> college >> >>> students who have not voted before. Maybe we could draft a brochure >> >>> about >> >>> rights and responsibilities and general information (maybe even for >> >>> people >> >>> who aren't blind but are disabled?) and make sure it gets distributed >> at >> >>> voter registration drives going on campus. >> >>> >> >>> Cindy also makes a good point about getting to the voting place. >> >>> Also, >> >>> this will become even more difficult in many states that require >> >>> valid >> >>> state IDs (like TN, AL, AR, etc.). How should we deal with this? >> >>> >> >>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >> >>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Cynthia Bennett >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> Stephanie: >> >>>> >> >>>> That is a great idea. I had a similar experience as Josh as I voted >> >>>> in >> >>>> my first election. They were the 2008 primaries, and I was very >> >>>> excited. When the machine did not work, I asked a poll worker to >> >>>> assist me. They filled in the ballot as I wished, but the worker did >> >>>> make some comments about their preference on a politician. This >> >>>> occured when I said that I did not want to vote for a particular >> >>>> office, because I was unfamiliar with any of the candidates. I said >> >>>> something like, "I don't want to fill in anything for this," and the >> >>>> worker responded with "Oh, I heard that ___ is pretty good. Do you >> >>>> want me to fill in his/her name?" I chose to still not vote for that >> >>>> particular office. This practice is illegal, and I chose not to say >> >>>> anything about it. But I do think that an informational call about >> >>>> rights and accessible voting machines would be awesome. >> >>>> Unfortunately, >> >>>> each state is a little different, but information about federal >> >>>> mandates on the presence of accessible voting machines/rights and >> >>>> some >> >>>> typical patterns in accessible voting in states would be great. For >> >>>> example, Washington conducts mail ballots. There are a few precincts >> >>>> around town, but if you work in a neighborhood in which it takes a >> >>>> while to get to a precinct, you are at a disadvantage as a blind >> >>>> person. So, you can either take off work and use public >> >>>> transportation >> >>>> to navigate to one of the few and very busy precincts and wait in a >> >>>> 3-hour line, or you can find a reader and disclose your voting >> >>>> preferences. The other animal in this issue is that if you choose to >> >>>> get a reader to fill out your signature does not match the signature >> >>>> on your state ID which is kept on file, then your ballot can be >> >>>> deemed >> >>>> as false and not counted. As a blind person, I do the best I can >> >>>> with >> >>>> my signature, but I do think that even the most ambitious blind >> >>>> people >> >>>> are at a disadvantage when having to match a signature, and our >> >>>> ballots could not be counted, and we may not hear about it, or we >> >>>> would learn of it after elections are closed. If we are afraid that >> >>>> our signature may not match that of our state ID, then we can have 2 >> >>>> witnesses sign. But that is 2 more people that have to see my >> >>>> ballot. >> >>>> I do not think that this practice is common within the states, and I >> >>>> would definitely not like my experience to dominate the nature of >> >>>> the >> >>>> call, but I wanted to relay it to show that I think this is a very >> >>>> good idea. I would personally like some professional/legal >> >>>> advice/legal suggestions on how this can be changed. >> >>>> >> >>>> So, if you have any suggestions on people to conduct this call, or >> >>>> resources for where this information can be found, please share it. >> >>>> If >> >>>> not, the membership committee will certainly take the initiative to >> >>>> conduct an informative call if we do in fact decide to pursue this >> >>>> topic. But I wanted to make sure that since you made the suggestion, >> >>>> you are welcome to provide suggestions on people to conduct the >> >>>> call. >> >>>> >> >>>> I know that someone comes to each NC state convention with an >> >>>> accessible voting machine to show in the exhibit hall. During this >> >>>> time, people can vote in a fake election and orient themselves to >> >>>> the >> >>>> machine. I am not sure if NC is still doing this since it has been a >> >>>> few years since the accessible machines were introduced, but I think >> >>>> there is still a need for outreach about accessible voting. >> >>>> >> >>>> Keep the good membership call suggestions coming! >> >>>> Cindy >> >>>> >> >>>> On 8/27/12, Joshua Lester >> wrote: >> >>>> > Hi, Stephanie! >> >>>> > That's a great idea! >> >>>> > I went to my voting site, earlier this year, and the machine >> >>>> > didn't >> >>>> work. >> >>>> > My Disability Rights person that works for the governor, here said >> >>>> he'd come >> >>>> > down, to show them how to work it, but he never showed up! >> >>>> > Thanks, Joshua >> >>>> > ________________________________________ >> >>>> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on >> behalf >> >>>> of >> >>>> > Stephanie DeLuca [sjhhirst at gmail.com] >> >>>> > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 2:53 PM >> >>>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >>>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS Membership Call Survey >> >>>> > >> >>>> > I think a discussion on voting as people with disabilities would >> >>>> > be >> >>>> good. >> >>>> > Since a lot of people are on college campuses, it'd be a good >> >>>> opportunity to >> >>>> > get involved with informing people with disabilities (mainly VI) >> >>>> > about >> >>>> > rights and responsibilities for voting. I've been to/worked at >> >>>> > several >> >>>> > voter registration drives, and I have NEVER seen information on >> >>>> > voting >> >>>> if >> >>>> > you have a disability. >> >>>> > >> >>>> > On Aug 27, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Cody Bair >> >>>> > wrote: >> >>>> > >> >>>> >> Hi All, >> >>>> >> As you are probably already aware, NABS conducts monthly >> >>>> >> membership >> >>>> calls. >> >>>> >> In order to get this school year started we are currently seeking >> >>>> >> your >> >>>> >> input on what topics you would like to see us cover this year. >> >>>> >> Please >> >>>> >> either reply directly to this thread with your suggestions or >> >>>> >> mail >> >>>> them >> >>>> >> directly to >> >>>> >> Nabs.membership at gmail.com >> >>>> >> Sincerely, >> >>>> >> The NABS membership Committee >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> >> nabs-l mailing list >> >>>> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>>> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> >>>> >> for >> >>>> >> nabs-l: >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > _______________________________________________ >> >>>> > nabs-l mailing list >> >>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> >>>> > nabs-l: >> >>>> > >> >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > _______________________________________________ >> >>>> > nabs-l mailing list >> >>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> >>>> > nabs-l: >> >>>> > >> >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >> >>>> > >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> Cynthia Bennett >> >>>> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >> >>>> >> >>>> clb5590 at gmail.com >> >>>> 828.989.5383 >> >>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> nabs-l mailing list >> >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> >>>> for >> >>>> nabs-l: >> >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >> > >> >> >> -- >> Cynthia Bennett >> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >> >> clb5590 at gmail.com >> 828.989.5383 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From clb5590 at gmail.com Tue Aug 28 05:23:03 2012 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cynthia Bennett) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 22:23:03 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] ID's and Voting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oh I totally agree. And, it is common for sighted people to have nondriving licenses since many people who live in cities just don't drive. The stamp is a good idea, and not just for voting. I hadn't thought of that. Where would you get a custom stamp made? Cindy On 8/27/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi all, > I think it is fair for a blind person to need to get a state ID card > or non-driving license. Going to the DMV sucks but it sucks for > sighted people too. Having some kind of legal identification is just > part of living in this country as an adult and enables us to > participate in all the same activities as those with drivers' > licenses, including flying on airplanes and passing the age test to > buy alcohol (I don't think student ID is acceptable for either of > these things, whether you are sighted or blind). I do, however, agree > that requiring a blind person to give a signature that matches one on > file is probably unfair even if it is not intended to be > discriminatory. A blind person could get around this by signing with a > stamp, though I'm not sure how long those last. > Arielle > On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: >> Hm my main concern with the IDs is that people have to get to the DMV >> somehow. In places like Nashville, that's not exactly straightforward. >> I >> guess they could take a cab? It just sucks because, I think before, >> people >> could just use a student ID (speaking about our own age group). Now, the >> states have made it more difficult than it already was. >> >> Rhode Island has an interesting approach to this (and someone correct me >> if >> I'm wrong). If you don't have a state ID on you at the polling place, >> you >> can sign an affidavit of identity, which basically just certifies that >> you >> are who you say you are. I like this idea (well, except for the whole >> signature thing, which I had never thought about). >> >> http://www.ncsl.org/legislatures-elections/elections/voter-id.aspx >> >> >> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Cynthia Bennett >> wrote: >> >>> Stephanie: >>> >>> This is great informaition. Thanks for going so much in depth. >>> >>> The ID issue is the easiest. I don't know of a state that doesn't >>> offer a nondriving photo ID. This can be obtained wherever you would >>> go to get your driver's license. It looks just like and contains all >>> of the information that a driver's license contains. It is a >>> legitimate form of ID. I had no problems at the precincts in NC when I >>> showed my photo ID. >>> >>> Where ID's relate to my concern is that when you get your ID, you have >>> to sign the bottom. The DMV that I went to had an electronic pad that >>> you sign with a stylus. I typically like to place a finger down on a >>> paper to orient myself before I write my signature. But touching the >>> electronic pad made a finger print. After a few unsuccessful tries, >>> the agent gave me an index card, and they elected to process my >>> signature the old way. This was helpful, but even though I have been >>> signing my name since I was 7, I really don't have any way of knowing >>> if I have signed my name exactly the way it looks on my state ID; this >>> signature is kept on file with the state so they don't actually have >>> to look at your ID to see it. I know that the intentions of this are >>> good and in place to prevent voter fraud, but as a blind person, I >>> feel like it pretty much gives me no choice but to find 2 witnesses to >>> sign my ballot and varify my signature, and I think that is unfair >>> since a sighted person can fill out their ballot independently and >>> forego the long precinct lines since they are located far and few >>> between due to the mailed-out ballots being the primary method used >>> for voting. >>> >>> I'm sure the membership committee will look at all of this information >>> and decide if this call is a good idea, which I think we will, and we >>> will work to find appropriate people to conduct the call. Thanks so >>> much for the information. It was really great to read. >>> >>> And, I go by Cindy so that's fine. >>> >>> Cindy >>> >>> On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: >>> > This website is very informative. The following link takes you to a >>> > page >>> > where they have links to several laws relevant to people with >>> disabilities. >>> > >>> > http://www.section508.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=Laws >>> > >>> > In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>> > ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>> > >>> > >>> > On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca >>> > wrote: >>> > >>> >> Heh, I mean Cynthia, sorry! >>> >> >>> >> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>> >> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca >>> >> wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> I'm excited to see that other people support the idea of getting >>> >>> involved >>> >>> but sad to admit that it's a problem. >>> >>> >>> >>> My story is this: In 2008, I went for early voting at one of the >>> >>> designated places in Nashville. When it was my turn, they >>> >>> designated >>> >>> a >>> >>> polling machine to me. Before I began the process, I asked about >>> >>> assisted >>> >>> voting. Maybe I should have asked about accessible polling >>> >>> machines? >>> >>> Anyway, he just said he'd have to help me and that was the only >>> >>> option >>> >>> I >>> >>> had. I turned him down and went through the process myself (I do >>> >>> have >>> >>> some >>> >>> vision). >>> >>> >>> >>> It seems that the voting issues fall into a few categories: >>> >>> 1) lack of knowledge of rights/responsibilities on behalf of the >>> >>> voter >>> >>> 2) lack of training and knowledge of polling staff >>> >>> 3) lack of a functioning accessible voting machine on site >>> >>> 4) difficult-to-follow tutorials/instructions for the accessible >>> machine >>> >>> >>> >>> For me, numbers 1 and 2 seem to be the biggest problems. How do we >>> >>> get >>> >>> the word out and how do we insure that the people at the polling >>> >>> places >>> >>> are >>> >>> trained and that there is a funcitoning machine available? >>> >>> >>> >>> I like the idea about having demos. Barring that, would it be >>> >>> possible >>> >>> to record a tutorial and post it online? Maybe by someone who has >>> >>> used >>> >>> it >>> >>> recently? I've heard that the tutorial provided at the polling >>> >>> place >>> is >>> >>> often not straightforward or easy to follow and that a blind user >>> >>> could >>> >>> do >>> >>> a better job haha >>> >>> >>> >>> I think we should at the very least inform people of their rights. >>> >>> I >>> >>> think finding the federal law wouldn't be too hard, but some rules >>> >>> vary >>> >>> state by state. I'm having trouble tracking down the information >>> >>> for >>> >>> TN, >>> >>> for example. Anyway, here is the federal law (I think). >>> >>> >>> >>> *Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act* >>> >>> >>> >>> The Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act of 1984 >>> >>> generally requires polling places across the United States to be >>> >>> physically >>> >>> accessible to people with disabilities for federal elections. Where >>> >>> no >>> >>> accessible location is available to serve as a polling place, a >>> >>> political >>> >>> subdivision must provide an alternate means of casting a ballot on >>> >>> the >>> >>> day >>> >>> of the election. This law also requires states to make available >>> >>> registration and voting aids for disabled and elderly voters, >>> >>> including >>> >>> information by TTYs (also known as TDDs) or similar devices. For >>> >>> more >>> >>> information, contact: >>> >>> >>> >>> U.S. Department of Justice >>> >>> Civil Rights Division >>> >>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >>> >>> Voting Section - 1800 G >>> >>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >>> >>> >>> >>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *National Voter Registration Act* >>> >>> >>> >>> The National Voter Registration Act of 1993, also known as the >>> >>> "Motor >>> >>> Voter Act," makes it easier for all Americans to exercise their >>> >>> fundamental >>> >>> right to vote. One of the basic purposes of the Act is to increase >>> >>> the >>> >>> historically low registration rates of minorities and persons with >>> >>> disabilities that have resulted from discrimination. The Motor Voter >>> Act >>> >>> requires all offices of State-funded programs that are primarily >>> engaged >>> >>> in >>> >>> providing services to persons with disabilities to provide all >>> >>> program >>> >>> applicants with voter registration forms, to assist them in >>> >>> completing >>> >>> the >>> >>> forms, and to transmit completed forms to the appropriate State >>> >>> official. >>> >>> For more information, contact: >>> >>> >>> >>> U.S. Department of Justice >>> >>> Civil Rights Division >>> >>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >>> >>> Voting Section - 1800 G >>> >>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >>> >>> >>> >>> www.usdoj.gov/crt/voting >>> >>> >>> >>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >>> >>> >>> >>> It seems that the NFB has a lot of lawyers. Is it possible for us >>> >>> to >>> >>> get >>> >>> someone trained in law to help us with this one? >>> >>> >>> >>> Here is another good resource, the Department of Justice: >>> >>> http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/drs/ >>> >>> >>> >>> One question I have is, why aren't ALL voting machines accessible? >>> >>> It >>> >>> seems like this is more of a software issue. Would it not be >>> >>> possible >>> >>> to >>> >>> write accessible software to be used on all machines? >>> >>> >>> >>> One other thing is that we should encourage people to file a >>> >>> complaint >>> >>> if >>> >>> they have these aforementioned problems this year and in the future. >>> We >>> >>> (the NFB) should provide information on that, as well. >>> >>> >>> >>> While I think this is a concern for the whole NFB on a national >>> >>> level, >>> I >>> >>> think as students, we are in a good spot to target new voters and >>> >>> college >>> >>> students who have not voted before. Maybe we could draft a brochure >>> >>> about >>> >>> rights and responsibilities and general information (maybe even for >>> >>> people >>> >>> who aren't blind but are disabled?) and make sure it gets >>> >>> distributed >>> at >>> >>> voter registration drives going on campus. >>> >>> >>> >>> Cindy also makes a good point about getting to the voting place. >>> >>> Also, >>> >>> this will become even more difficult in many states that require >>> >>> valid >>> >>> state IDs (like TN, AL, AR, etc.). How should we deal with this? >>> >>> >>> >>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>> >>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Cynthia Bennett >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Stephanie: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> That is a great idea. I had a similar experience as Josh as I voted >>> >>>> in >>> >>>> my first election. They were the 2008 primaries, and I was very >>> >>>> excited. When the machine did not work, I asked a poll worker to >>> >>>> assist me. They filled in the ballot as I wished, but the worker >>> >>>> did >>> >>>> make some comments about their preference on a politician. This >>> >>>> occured when I said that I did not want to vote for a particular >>> >>>> office, because I was unfamiliar with any of the candidates. I said >>> >>>> something like, "I don't want to fill in anything for this," and >>> >>>> the >>> >>>> worker responded with "Oh, I heard that ___ is pretty good. Do you >>> >>>> want me to fill in his/her name?" I chose to still not vote for >>> >>>> that >>> >>>> particular office. This practice is illegal, and I chose not to say >>> >>>> anything about it. But I do think that an informational call about >>> >>>> rights and accessible voting machines would be awesome. >>> >>>> Unfortunately, >>> >>>> each state is a little different, but information about federal >>> >>>> mandates on the presence of accessible voting machines/rights and >>> >>>> some >>> >>>> typical patterns in accessible voting in states would be great. For >>> >>>> example, Washington conducts mail ballots. There are a few >>> >>>> precincts >>> >>>> around town, but if you work in a neighborhood in which it takes a >>> >>>> while to get to a precinct, you are at a disadvantage as a blind >>> >>>> person. So, you can either take off work and use public >>> >>>> transportation >>> >>>> to navigate to one of the few and very busy precincts and wait in a >>> >>>> 3-hour line, or you can find a reader and disclose your voting >>> >>>> preferences. The other animal in this issue is that if you choose >>> >>>> to >>> >>>> get a reader to fill out your signature does not match the >>> >>>> signature >>> >>>> on your state ID which is kept on file, then your ballot can be >>> >>>> deemed >>> >>>> as false and not counted. As a blind person, I do the best I can >>> >>>> with >>> >>>> my signature, but I do think that even the most ambitious blind >>> >>>> people >>> >>>> are at a disadvantage when having to match a signature, and our >>> >>>> ballots could not be counted, and we may not hear about it, or we >>> >>>> would learn of it after elections are closed. If we are afraid that >>> >>>> our signature may not match that of our state ID, then we can have >>> >>>> 2 >>> >>>> witnesses sign. But that is 2 more people that have to see my >>> >>>> ballot. >>> >>>> I do not think that this practice is common within the states, and >>> >>>> I >>> >>>> would definitely not like my experience to dominate the nature of >>> >>>> the >>> >>>> call, but I wanted to relay it to show that I think this is a very >>> >>>> good idea. I would personally like some professional/legal >>> >>>> advice/legal suggestions on how this can be changed. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> So, if you have any suggestions on people to conduct this call, or >>> >>>> resources for where this information can be found, please share it. >>> >>>> If >>> >>>> not, the membership committee will certainly take the initiative to >>> >>>> conduct an informative call if we do in fact decide to pursue this >>> >>>> topic. But I wanted to make sure that since you made the >>> >>>> suggestion, >>> >>>> you are welcome to provide suggestions on people to conduct the >>> >>>> call. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> I know that someone comes to each NC state convention with an >>> >>>> accessible voting machine to show in the exhibit hall. During this >>> >>>> time, people can vote in a fake election and orient themselves to >>> >>>> the >>> >>>> machine. I am not sure if NC is still doing this since it has been >>> >>>> a >>> >>>> few years since the accessible machines were introduced, but I >>> >>>> think >>> >>>> there is still a need for outreach about accessible voting. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Keep the good membership call suggestions coming! >>> >>>> Cindy >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On 8/27/12, Joshua Lester >>> wrote: >>> >>>> > Hi, Stephanie! >>> >>>> > That's a great idea! >>> >>>> > I went to my voting site, earlier this year, and the machine >>> >>>> > didn't >>> >>>> work. >>> >>>> > My Disability Rights person that works for the governor, here >>> >>>> > said >>> >>>> he'd come >>> >>>> > down, to show them how to work it, but he never showed up! >>> >>>> > Thanks, Joshua >>> >>>> > ________________________________________ >>> >>>> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on >>> behalf >>> >>>> of >>> >>>> > Stephanie DeLuca [sjhhirst at gmail.com] >>> >>>> > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 2:53 PM >>> >>>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS Membership Call Survey >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > I think a discussion on voting as people with disabilities would >>> >>>> > be >>> >>>> good. >>> >>>> > Since a lot of people are on college campuses, it'd be a good >>> >>>> opportunity to >>> >>>> > get involved with informing people with disabilities (mainly VI) >>> >>>> > about >>> >>>> > rights and responsibilities for voting. I've been to/worked at >>> >>>> > several >>> >>>> > voter registration drives, and I have NEVER seen information on >>> >>>> > voting >>> >>>> if >>> >>>> > you have a disability. >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > On Aug 27, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Cody Bair >>> >>>> > wrote: >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >> Hi All, >>> >>>> >> As you are probably already aware, NABS conducts monthly >>> >>>> >> membership >>> >>>> calls. >>> >>>> >> In order to get this school year started we are currently >>> >>>> >> seeking >>> >>>> >> your >>> >>>> >> input on what topics you would like to see us cover this year. >>> >>>> >> Please >>> >>>> >> either reply directly to this thread with your suggestions or >>> >>>> >> mail >>> >>>> them >>> >>>> >> directly to >>> >>>> >> Nabs.membership at gmail.com >>> >>>> >> Sincerely, >>> >>>> >> The NABS membership Committee >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>> >> nabs-l mailing list >>> >>>> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>>> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> >>>> >> info >>> >>>> >> for >>> >>>> >> nabs-l: >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>> >>>> > nabs-l mailing list >>> >>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> >>>> > nabs-l: >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>> >>>> > nabs-l mailing list >>> >>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> >>>> > nabs-l: >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> -- >>> >>>> Cynthia Bennett >>> >>>> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >>> >>>> >>> >>>> clb5590 at gmail.com >>> >>>> 828.989.5383 >>> >>>> >>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>> >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> >>>> for >>> >>>> nabs-l: >>> >>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > nabs-l mailing list >>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> > nabs-l: >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >>> > >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Cynthia Bennett >>> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >>> >>> clb5590 at gmail.com >>> 828.989.5383 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com > -- Cynthia Bennett B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com 828.989.5383 From turtlepower17 at gmail.com Tue Aug 28 05:32:30 2012 From: turtlepower17 at gmail.com (Desiree Oudinot) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 01:32:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] ID's and Voting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oh yeah, going to the dmv definitely does suck. Not because you have to wait forever. I can deal with that. What really, and I mean really! annoys me, is the fact that I am very sensitive to light, so I tend to squint a lot, or involuntarily close my eyes, especially when I know something unpleasant is coming like a camera flash. Of course, the people at the dmv keep trying to get a picture of me with my eyes open, and are quite rude after the first few tries with no success. I understand they have a job to do, but it's not exactly something I can help. It's not like I can wear sunglasses for the picture, that would be even more unacceptable. I only had to do this process once, and actually my time to renew is fast approaching. In fact, my ID is very close to expiring, mostly because I don't really have anyone to take me to the dmv. what happens if your ID expires? Is that illegal? They send you a letter with the date to have it done by, so I guess if I don't somehow get it done in the next few days, I'd like to know if I'm going to have cops busting down my door or something. On 8/28/12, Cynthia Bennett wrote: > Oh I totally agree. And, it is common for sighted people to have > nondriving licenses since many people who live in cities just don't > drive. > > The stamp is a good idea, and not just for voting. I hadn't thought of > that. Where would you get a custom stamp made? > > Cindy > > On 8/27/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: >> Hi all, >> I think it is fair for a blind person to need to get a state ID card >> or non-driving license. Going to the DMV sucks but it sucks for >> sighted people too. Having some kind of legal identification is just >> part of living in this country as an adult and enables us to >> participate in all the same activities as those with drivers' >> licenses, including flying on airplanes and passing the age test to >> buy alcohol (I don't think student ID is acceptable for either of >> these things, whether you are sighted or blind). I do, however, agree >> that requiring a blind person to give a signature that matches one on >> file is probably unfair even if it is not intended to be >> discriminatory. A blind person could get around this by signing with a >> stamp, though I'm not sure how long those last. >> Arielle >> On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: >>> Hm my main concern with the IDs is that people have to get to the DMV >>> somehow. In places like Nashville, that's not exactly straightforward. >>> I >>> guess they could take a cab? It just sucks because, I think before, >>> people >>> could just use a student ID (speaking about our own age group). Now, >>> the >>> states have made it more difficult than it already was. >>> >>> Rhode Island has an interesting approach to this (and someone correct me >>> if >>> I'm wrong). If you don't have a state ID on you at the polling place, >>> you >>> can sign an affidavit of identity, which basically just certifies that >>> you >>> are who you say you are. I like this idea (well, except for the whole >>> signature thing, which I had never thought about). >>> >>> http://www.ncsl.org/legislatures-elections/elections/voter-id.aspx >>> >>> >>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Cynthia Bennett >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Stephanie: >>>> >>>> This is great informaition. Thanks for going so much in depth. >>>> >>>> The ID issue is the easiest. I don't know of a state that doesn't >>>> offer a nondriving photo ID. This can be obtained wherever you would >>>> go to get your driver's license. It looks just like and contains all >>>> of the information that a driver's license contains. It is a >>>> legitimate form of ID. I had no problems at the precincts in NC when I >>>> showed my photo ID. >>>> >>>> Where ID's relate to my concern is that when you get your ID, you have >>>> to sign the bottom. The DMV that I went to had an electronic pad that >>>> you sign with a stylus. I typically like to place a finger down on a >>>> paper to orient myself before I write my signature. But touching the >>>> electronic pad made a finger print. After a few unsuccessful tries, >>>> the agent gave me an index card, and they elected to process my >>>> signature the old way. This was helpful, but even though I have been >>>> signing my name since I was 7, I really don't have any way of knowing >>>> if I have signed my name exactly the way it looks on my state ID; this >>>> signature is kept on file with the state so they don't actually have >>>> to look at your ID to see it. I know that the intentions of this are >>>> good and in place to prevent voter fraud, but as a blind person, I >>>> feel like it pretty much gives me no choice but to find 2 witnesses to >>>> sign my ballot and varify my signature, and I think that is unfair >>>> since a sighted person can fill out their ballot independently and >>>> forego the long precinct lines since they are located far and few >>>> between due to the mailed-out ballots being the primary method used >>>> for voting. >>>> >>>> I'm sure the membership committee will look at all of this information >>>> and decide if this call is a good idea, which I think we will, and we >>>> will work to find appropriate people to conduct the call. Thanks so >>>> much for the information. It was really great to read. >>>> >>>> And, I go by Cindy so that's fine. >>>> >>>> Cindy >>>> >>>> On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: >>>> > This website is very informative. The following link takes you to a >>>> > page >>>> > where they have links to several laws relevant to people with >>>> disabilities. >>>> > >>>> > http://www.section508.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=Laws >>>> > >>>> > In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>> > ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca >>>> > wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> Heh, I mean Cynthia, sorry! >>>> >> >>>> >> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>> >> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >>> I'm excited to see that other people support the idea of getting >>>> >>> involved >>>> >>> but sad to admit that it's a problem. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> My story is this: In 2008, I went for early voting at one of the >>>> >>> designated places in Nashville. When it was my turn, they >>>> >>> designated >>>> >>> a >>>> >>> polling machine to me. Before I began the process, I asked about >>>> >>> assisted >>>> >>> voting. Maybe I should have asked about accessible polling >>>> >>> machines? >>>> >>> Anyway, he just said he'd have to help me and that was the only >>>> >>> option >>>> >>> I >>>> >>> had. I turned him down and went through the process myself (I do >>>> >>> have >>>> >>> some >>>> >>> vision). >>>> >>> >>>> >>> It seems that the voting issues fall into a few categories: >>>> >>> 1) lack of knowledge of rights/responsibilities on behalf of the >>>> >>> voter >>>> >>> 2) lack of training and knowledge of polling staff >>>> >>> 3) lack of a functioning accessible voting machine on site >>>> >>> 4) difficult-to-follow tutorials/instructions for the accessible >>>> machine >>>> >>> >>>> >>> For me, numbers 1 and 2 seem to be the biggest problems. How do we >>>> >>> get >>>> >>> the word out and how do we insure that the people at the polling >>>> >>> places >>>> >>> are >>>> >>> trained and that there is a funcitoning machine available? >>>> >>> >>>> >>> I like the idea about having demos. Barring that, would it be >>>> >>> possible >>>> >>> to record a tutorial and post it online? Maybe by someone who has >>>> >>> used >>>> >>> it >>>> >>> recently? I've heard that the tutorial provided at the polling >>>> >>> place >>>> is >>>> >>> often not straightforward or easy to follow and that a blind user >>>> >>> could >>>> >>> do >>>> >>> a better job haha >>>> >>> >>>> >>> I think we should at the very least inform people of their rights. >>>> >>> I >>>> >>> think finding the federal law wouldn't be too hard, but some rules >>>> >>> vary >>>> >>> state by state. I'm having trouble tracking down the information >>>> >>> for >>>> >>> TN, >>>> >>> for example. Anyway, here is the federal law (I think). >>>> >>> >>>> >>> *Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act* >>>> >>> >>>> >>> The Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act of >>>> >>> 1984 >>>> >>> generally requires polling places across the United States to be >>>> >>> physically >>>> >>> accessible to people with disabilities for federal elections. Where >>>> >>> no >>>> >>> accessible location is available to serve as a polling place, a >>>> >>> political >>>> >>> subdivision must provide an alternate means of casting a ballot on >>>> >>> the >>>> >>> day >>>> >>> of the election. This law also requires states to make available >>>> >>> registration and voting aids for disabled and elderly voters, >>>> >>> including >>>> >>> information by TTYs (also known as TDDs) or similar devices. For >>>> >>> more >>>> >>> information, contact: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> U.S. Department of Justice >>>> >>> Civil Rights Division >>>> >>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >>>> >>> Voting Section - 1800 G >>>> >>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >>>> >>> >>>> >>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> *National Voter Registration Act* >>>> >>> >>>> >>> The National Voter Registration Act of 1993, also known as the >>>> >>> "Motor >>>> >>> Voter Act," makes it easier for all Americans to exercise their >>>> >>> fundamental >>>> >>> right to vote. One of the basic purposes of the Act is to increase >>>> >>> the >>>> >>> historically low registration rates of minorities and persons with >>>> >>> disabilities that have resulted from discrimination. The Motor >>>> >>> Voter >>>> Act >>>> >>> requires all offices of State-funded programs that are primarily >>>> engaged >>>> >>> in >>>> >>> providing services to persons with disabilities to provide all >>>> >>> program >>>> >>> applicants with voter registration forms, to assist them in >>>> >>> completing >>>> >>> the >>>> >>> forms, and to transmit completed forms to the appropriate State >>>> >>> official. >>>> >>> For more information, contact: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> U.S. Department of Justice >>>> >>> Civil Rights Division >>>> >>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >>>> >>> Voting Section - 1800 G >>>> >>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >>>> >>> >>>> >>> www.usdoj.gov/crt/voting >>>> >>> >>>> >>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >>>> >>> >>>> >>> It seems that the NFB has a lot of lawyers. Is it possible for us >>>> >>> to >>>> >>> get >>>> >>> someone trained in law to help us with this one? >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Here is another good resource, the Department of Justice: >>>> >>> http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/drs/ >>>> >>> >>>> >>> One question I have is, why aren't ALL voting machines accessible? >>>> >>> It >>>> >>> seems like this is more of a software issue. Would it not be >>>> >>> possible >>>> >>> to >>>> >>> write accessible software to be used on all machines? >>>> >>> >>>> >>> One other thing is that we should encourage people to file a >>>> >>> complaint >>>> >>> if >>>> >>> they have these aforementioned problems this year and in the >>>> >>> future. >>>> We >>>> >>> (the NFB) should provide information on that, as well. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> While I think this is a concern for the whole NFB on a national >>>> >>> level, >>>> I >>>> >>> think as students, we are in a good spot to target new voters and >>>> >>> college >>>> >>> students who have not voted before. Maybe we could draft a >>>> >>> brochure >>>> >>> about >>>> >>> rights and responsibilities and general information (maybe even for >>>> >>> people >>>> >>> who aren't blind but are disabled?) and make sure it gets >>>> >>> distributed >>>> at >>>> >>> voter registration drives going on campus. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Cindy also makes a good point about getting to the voting place. >>>> >>> Also, >>>> >>> this will become even more difficult in many states that require >>>> >>> valid >>>> >>> state IDs (like TN, AL, AR, etc.). How should we deal with this? >>>> >>> >>>> >>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>> >>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Cynthia Bennett >>>> >>> wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> Stephanie: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> That is a great idea. I had a similar experience as Josh as I >>>> >>>> voted >>>> >>>> in >>>> >>>> my first election. They were the 2008 primaries, and I was very >>>> >>>> excited. When the machine did not work, I asked a poll worker to >>>> >>>> assist me. They filled in the ballot as I wished, but the worker >>>> >>>> did >>>> >>>> make some comments about their preference on a politician. This >>>> >>>> occured when I said that I did not want to vote for a particular >>>> >>>> office, because I was unfamiliar with any of the candidates. I >>>> >>>> said >>>> >>>> something like, "I don't want to fill in anything for this," and >>>> >>>> the >>>> >>>> worker responded with "Oh, I heard that ___ is pretty good. Do you >>>> >>>> want me to fill in his/her name?" I chose to still not vote for >>>> >>>> that >>>> >>>> particular office. This practice is illegal, and I chose not to >>>> >>>> say >>>> >>>> anything about it. But I do think that an informational call about >>>> >>>> rights and accessible voting machines would be awesome. >>>> >>>> Unfortunately, >>>> >>>> each state is a little different, but information about federal >>>> >>>> mandates on the presence of accessible voting machines/rights and >>>> >>>> some >>>> >>>> typical patterns in accessible voting in states would be great. >>>> >>>> For >>>> >>>> example, Washington conducts mail ballots. There are a few >>>> >>>> precincts >>>> >>>> around town, but if you work in a neighborhood in which it takes a >>>> >>>> while to get to a precinct, you are at a disadvantage as a blind >>>> >>>> person. So, you can either take off work and use public >>>> >>>> transportation >>>> >>>> to navigate to one of the few and very busy precincts and wait in >>>> >>>> a >>>> >>>> 3-hour line, or you can find a reader and disclose your voting >>>> >>>> preferences. The other animal in this issue is that if you choose >>>> >>>> to >>>> >>>> get a reader to fill out your signature does not match the >>>> >>>> signature >>>> >>>> on your state ID which is kept on file, then your ballot can be >>>> >>>> deemed >>>> >>>> as false and not counted. As a blind person, I do the best I can >>>> >>>> with >>>> >>>> my signature, but I do think that even the most ambitious blind >>>> >>>> people >>>> >>>> are at a disadvantage when having to match a signature, and our >>>> >>>> ballots could not be counted, and we may not hear about it, or we >>>> >>>> would learn of it after elections are closed. If we are afraid >>>> >>>> that >>>> >>>> our signature may not match that of our state ID, then we can have >>>> >>>> 2 >>>> >>>> witnesses sign. But that is 2 more people that have to see my >>>> >>>> ballot. >>>> >>>> I do not think that this practice is common within the states, and >>>> >>>> I >>>> >>>> would definitely not like my experience to dominate the nature of >>>> >>>> the >>>> >>>> call, but I wanted to relay it to show that I think this is a very >>>> >>>> good idea. I would personally like some professional/legal >>>> >>>> advice/legal suggestions on how this can be changed. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> So, if you have any suggestions on people to conduct this call, or >>>> >>>> resources for where this information can be found, please share >>>> >>>> it. >>>> >>>> If >>>> >>>> not, the membership committee will certainly take the initiative >>>> >>>> to >>>> >>>> conduct an informative call if we do in fact decide to pursue this >>>> >>>> topic. But I wanted to make sure that since you made the >>>> >>>> suggestion, >>>> >>>> you are welcome to provide suggestions on people to conduct the >>>> >>>> call. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I know that someone comes to each NC state convention with an >>>> >>>> accessible voting machine to show in the exhibit hall. During this >>>> >>>> time, people can vote in a fake election and orient themselves to >>>> >>>> the >>>> >>>> machine. I am not sure if NC is still doing this since it has been >>>> >>>> a >>>> >>>> few years since the accessible machines were introduced, but I >>>> >>>> think >>>> >>>> there is still a need for outreach about accessible voting. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Keep the good membership call suggestions coming! >>>> >>>> Cindy >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 8/27/12, Joshua Lester >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> > Hi, Stephanie! >>>> >>>> > That's a great idea! >>>> >>>> > I went to my voting site, earlier this year, and the machine >>>> >>>> > didn't >>>> >>>> work. >>>> >>>> > My Disability Rights person that works for the governor, here >>>> >>>> > said >>>> >>>> he'd come >>>> >>>> > down, to show them how to work it, but he never showed up! >>>> >>>> > Thanks, Joshua >>>> >>>> > ________________________________________ >>>> >>>> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on >>>> behalf >>>> >>>> of >>>> >>>> > Stephanie DeLuca [sjhhirst at gmail.com] >>>> >>>> > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 2:53 PM >>>> >>>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS Membership Call Survey >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > I think a discussion on voting as people with disabilities would >>>> >>>> > be >>>> >>>> good. >>>> >>>> > Since a lot of people are on college campuses, it'd be a good >>>> >>>> opportunity to >>>> >>>> > get involved with informing people with disabilities (mainly VI) >>>> >>>> > about >>>> >>>> > rights and responsibilities for voting. I've been to/worked at >>>> >>>> > several >>>> >>>> > voter registration drives, and I have NEVER seen information on >>>> >>>> > voting >>>> >>>> if >>>> >>>> > you have a disability. >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > On Aug 27, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Cody Bair >>>> >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >> Hi All, >>>> >>>> >> As you are probably already aware, NABS conducts monthly >>>> >>>> >> membership >>>> >>>> calls. >>>> >>>> >> In order to get this school year started we are currently >>>> >>>> >> seeking >>>> >>>> >> your >>>> >>>> >> input on what topics you would like to see us cover this year. >>>> >>>> >> Please >>>> >>>> >> either reply directly to this thread with your suggestions or >>>> >>>> >> mail >>>> >>>> them >>>> >>>> >> directly to >>>> >>>> >> Nabs.membership at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >> Sincerely, >>>> >>>> >> The NABS membership Committee >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> >> nabs-l mailing list >>>> >>>> >> nabs-l 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nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Cynthia Bennett > B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington > > clb5590 at gmail.com > 828.989.5383 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com > From clb5590 at gmail.com Tue Aug 28 05:35:45 2012 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cynthia Bennett) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 22:35:45 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Membership Call Survey In-Reply-To: References: <1346095971.37964.YahooMailClassic@web110705.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I think that the problem with using the lack of transportation argument to support not requiring blind people to have a state ID when voting when it is required of others is that you could then use this argument to omit blind people from having all kinds of documentation and from attending all kinds of basic required events of American life because of the lack of transportation. I think that public transportation is an issue for a lot of people, and it is unfortunate. I know that in the 2 big cities I have lived in, most of the public buildings I have been to or heard of are on very popular bus lines. However, I know that not everyone can pick up and move. Maybe the solution to this would be for there to be more electronic means of obtaining documents. I know that in NC, after you get an ID, or a license for that matter, and if your driving record stays clean if you are a driver, you can renew your license/ID online. So that is one way that would save someone a trip, or more, depending on how many times your state allows you to renew your ID online. Also, my ID lasts for 10 years which is a pretty long time. So although I do agree that there are tons of transportation and access issues in regard to getting to very important places, doing some of these things in person at least every few times you get your ID renewed for example is important to maintain security. Cindy On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: > Hm my main concern with the IDs is that people have to get to the DMV > somehow. In places like Nashville, that's not exactly straightforward. I > guess they could take a cab? It just sucks because, I think before, people > could just use a student ID (speaking about our own age group). Now, the > states have made it more difficult than it already was. > > Rhode Island has an interesting approach to this (and someone correct me if > I'm wrong). If you don't have a state ID on you at the polling place, you > can sign an affidavit of identity, which basically just certifies that you > are who you say you are. I like this idea (well, except for the whole > signature thing, which I had never thought about). > > http://www.ncsl.org/legislatures-elections/elections/voter-id.aspx > > > In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. > ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 > > > On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Cynthia Bennett > wrote: > >> Stephanie: >> >> This is great informaition. Thanks for going so much in depth. >> >> The ID issue is the easiest. I don't know of a state that doesn't >> offer a nondriving photo ID. This can be obtained wherever you would >> go to get your driver's license. It looks just like and contains all >> of the information that a driver's license contains. It is a >> legitimate form of ID. I had no problems at the precincts in NC when I >> showed my photo ID. >> >> Where ID's relate to my concern is that when you get your ID, you have >> to sign the bottom. The DMV that I went to had an electronic pad that >> you sign with a stylus. I typically like to place a finger down on a >> paper to orient myself before I write my signature. But touching the >> electronic pad made a finger print. After a few unsuccessful tries, >> the agent gave me an index card, and they elected to process my >> signature the old way. This was helpful, but even though I have been >> signing my name since I was 7, I really don't have any way of knowing >> if I have signed my name exactly the way it looks on my state ID; this >> signature is kept on file with the state so they don't actually have >> to look at your ID to see it. I know that the intentions of this are >> good and in place to prevent voter fraud, but as a blind person, I >> feel like it pretty much gives me no choice but to find 2 witnesses to >> sign my ballot and varify my signature, and I think that is unfair >> since a sighted person can fill out their ballot independently and >> forego the long precinct lines since they are located far and few >> between due to the mailed-out ballots being the primary method used >> for voting. >> >> I'm sure the membership committee will look at all of this information >> and decide if this call is a good idea, which I think we will, and we >> will work to find appropriate people to conduct the call. Thanks so >> much for the information. It was really great to read. >> >> And, I go by Cindy so that's fine. >> >> Cindy >> >> On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: >> > This website is very informative. The following link takes you to a >> > page >> > where they have links to several laws relevant to people with >> disabilities. >> > >> > http://www.section508.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=Laws >> > >> > In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >> > ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca >> > wrote: >> > >> >> Heh, I mean Cynthia, sorry! >> >> >> >> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >> >> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> I'm excited to see that other people support the idea of getting >> >>> involved >> >>> but sad to admit that it's a problem. >> >>> >> >>> My story is this: In 2008, I went for early voting at one of the >> >>> designated places in Nashville. When it was my turn, they designated >> >>> a >> >>> polling machine to me. Before I began the process, I asked about >> >>> assisted >> >>> voting. Maybe I should have asked about accessible polling machines? >> >>> Anyway, he just said he'd have to help me and that was the only >> >>> option >> >>> I >> >>> had. I turned him down and went through the process myself (I do >> >>> have >> >>> some >> >>> vision). >> >>> >> >>> It seems that the voting issues fall into a few categories: >> >>> 1) lack of knowledge of rights/responsibilities on behalf of the >> >>> voter >> >>> 2) lack of training and knowledge of polling staff >> >>> 3) lack of a functioning accessible voting machine on site >> >>> 4) difficult-to-follow tutorials/instructions for the accessible >> machine >> >>> >> >>> For me, numbers 1 and 2 seem to be the biggest problems. How do we >> >>> get >> >>> the word out and how do we insure that the people at the polling >> >>> places >> >>> are >> >>> trained and that there is a funcitoning machine available? >> >>> >> >>> I like the idea about having demos. Barring that, would it be >> >>> possible >> >>> to record a tutorial and post it online? Maybe by someone who has >> >>> used >> >>> it >> >>> recently? I've heard that the tutorial provided at the polling place >> is >> >>> often not straightforward or easy to follow and that a blind user >> >>> could >> >>> do >> >>> a better job haha >> >>> >> >>> I think we should at the very least inform people of their rights. I >> >>> think finding the federal law wouldn't be too hard, but some rules >> >>> vary >> >>> state by state. I'm having trouble tracking down the information for >> >>> TN, >> >>> for example. Anyway, here is the federal law (I think). >> >>> >> >>> *Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act* >> >>> >> >>> The Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act of 1984 >> >>> generally requires polling places across the United States to be >> >>> physically >> >>> accessible to people with disabilities for federal elections. Where >> >>> no >> >>> accessible location is available to serve as a polling place, a >> >>> political >> >>> subdivision must provide an alternate means of casting a ballot on >> >>> the >> >>> day >> >>> of the election. This law also requires states to make available >> >>> registration and voting aids for disabled and elderly voters, >> >>> including >> >>> information by TTYs (also known as TDDs) or similar devices. For more >> >>> information, contact: >> >>> >> >>> U.S. Department of Justice >> >>> Civil Rights Division >> >>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >> >>> Voting Section - 1800 G >> >>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >> >>> >> >>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> *National Voter Registration Act* >> >>> >> >>> The National Voter Registration Act of 1993, also known as the "Motor >> >>> Voter Act," makes it easier for all Americans to exercise their >> >>> fundamental >> >>> right to vote. One of the basic purposes of the Act is to increase >> >>> the >> >>> historically low registration rates of minorities and persons with >> >>> disabilities that have resulted from discrimination. The Motor Voter >> Act >> >>> requires all offices of State-funded programs that are primarily >> engaged >> >>> in >> >>> providing services to persons with disabilities to provide all >> >>> program >> >>> applicants with voter registration forms, to assist them in >> >>> completing >> >>> the >> >>> forms, and to transmit completed forms to the appropriate State >> >>> official. >> >>> For more information, contact: >> >>> >> >>> U.S. Department of Justice >> >>> Civil Rights Division >> >>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >> >>> Voting Section - 1800 G >> >>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >> >>> >> >>> www.usdoj.gov/crt/voting >> >>> >> >>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >> >>> >> >>> It seems that the NFB has a lot of lawyers. Is it possible for us to >> >>> get >> >>> someone trained in law to help us with this one? >> >>> >> >>> Here is another good resource, the Department of Justice: >> >>> http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/drs/ >> >>> >> >>> One question I have is, why aren't ALL voting machines accessible? >> >>> It >> >>> seems like this is more of a software issue. Would it not be >> >>> possible >> >>> to >> >>> write accessible software to be used on all machines? >> >>> >> >>> One other thing is that we should encourage people to file a >> >>> complaint >> >>> if >> >>> they have these aforementioned problems this year and in the future. >> We >> >>> (the NFB) should provide information on that, as well. >> >>> >> >>> While I think this is a concern for the whole NFB on a national >> >>> level, >> I >> >>> think as students, we are in a good spot to target new voters and >> >>> college >> >>> students who have not voted before. Maybe we could draft a brochure >> >>> about >> >>> rights and responsibilities and general information (maybe even for >> >>> people >> >>> who aren't blind but are disabled?) and make sure it gets distributed >> at >> >>> voter registration drives going on campus. >> >>> >> >>> Cindy also makes a good point about getting to the voting place. >> >>> Also, >> >>> this will become even more difficult in many states that require >> >>> valid >> >>> state IDs (like TN, AL, AR, etc.). How should we deal with this? >> >>> >> >>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >> >>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Cynthia Bennett >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> Stephanie: >> >>>> >> >>>> That is a great idea. I had a similar experience as Josh as I voted >> >>>> in >> >>>> my first election. They were the 2008 primaries, and I was very >> >>>> excited. When the machine did not work, I asked a poll worker to >> >>>> assist me. They filled in the ballot as I wished, but the worker did >> >>>> make some comments about their preference on a politician. This >> >>>> occured when I said that I did not want to vote for a particular >> >>>> office, because I was unfamiliar with any of the candidates. I said >> >>>> something like, "I don't want to fill in anything for this," and the >> >>>> worker responded with "Oh, I heard that ___ is pretty good. Do you >> >>>> want me to fill in his/her name?" I chose to still not vote for that >> >>>> particular office. This practice is illegal, and I chose not to say >> >>>> anything about it. But I do think that an informational call about >> >>>> rights and accessible voting machines would be awesome. >> >>>> Unfortunately, >> >>>> each state is a little different, but information about federal >> >>>> mandates on the presence of accessible voting machines/rights and >> >>>> some >> >>>> typical patterns in accessible voting in states would be great. For >> >>>> example, Washington conducts mail ballots. There are a few precincts >> >>>> around town, but if you work in a neighborhood in which it takes a >> >>>> while to get to a precinct, you are at a disadvantage as a blind >> >>>> person. So, you can either take off work and use public >> >>>> transportation >> >>>> to navigate to one of the few and very busy precincts and wait in a >> >>>> 3-hour line, or you can find a reader and disclose your voting >> >>>> preferences. The other animal in this issue is that if you choose to >> >>>> get a reader to fill out your signature does not match the signature >> >>>> on your state ID which is kept on file, then your ballot can be >> >>>> deemed >> >>>> as false and not counted. As a blind person, I do the best I can >> >>>> with >> >>>> my signature, but I do think that even the most ambitious blind >> >>>> people >> >>>> are at a disadvantage when having to match a signature, and our >> >>>> ballots could not be counted, and we may not hear about it, or we >> >>>> would learn of it after elections are closed. If we are afraid that >> >>>> our signature may not match that of our state ID, then we can have 2 >> >>>> witnesses sign. But that is 2 more people that have to see my >> >>>> ballot. >> >>>> I do not think that this practice is common within the states, and I >> >>>> would definitely not like my experience to dominate the nature of >> >>>> the >> >>>> call, but I wanted to relay it to show that I think this is a very >> >>>> good idea. I would personally like some professional/legal >> >>>> advice/legal suggestions on how this can be changed. >> >>>> >> >>>> So, if you have any suggestions on people to conduct this call, or >> >>>> resources for where this information can be found, please share it. >> >>>> If >> >>>> not, the membership committee will certainly take the initiative to >> >>>> conduct an informative call if we do in fact decide to pursue this >> >>>> topic. But I wanted to make sure that since you made the suggestion, >> >>>> you are welcome to provide suggestions on people to conduct the >> >>>> call. >> >>>> >> >>>> I know that someone comes to each NC state convention with an >> >>>> accessible voting machine to show in the exhibit hall. During this >> >>>> time, people can vote in a fake election and orient themselves to >> >>>> the >> >>>> machine. I am not sure if NC is still doing this since it has been a >> >>>> few years since the accessible machines were introduced, but I think >> >>>> there is still a need for outreach about accessible voting. >> >>>> >> >>>> Keep the good membership call suggestions coming! >> >>>> Cindy >> >>>> >> >>>> On 8/27/12, Joshua Lester >> wrote: >> >>>> > Hi, Stephanie! >> >>>> > That's a great idea! >> >>>> > I went to my voting site, earlier this year, and the machine >> >>>> > didn't >> >>>> work. >> >>>> > My Disability Rights person that works for the governor, here said >> >>>> he'd come >> >>>> > down, to show them how to work it, but he never showed up! >> >>>> > Thanks, Joshua >> >>>> > ________________________________________ >> >>>> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on >> behalf >> >>>> of >> >>>> > Stephanie DeLuca [sjhhirst at gmail.com] >> >>>> > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 2:53 PM >> >>>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >>>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS Membership Call Survey >> >>>> > >> >>>> > I think a discussion on voting as people with disabilities would >> >>>> > be >> >>>> good. >> >>>> > Since a lot of people are on college campuses, it'd be a good >> >>>> opportunity to >> >>>> > get involved with informing people with disabilities (mainly VI) >> >>>> > about >> >>>> > rights and responsibilities for voting. I've been to/worked at >> >>>> > several >> >>>> > voter registration drives, and I have NEVER seen information on >> >>>> > voting >> >>>> if >> >>>> > you have a disability. >> >>>> > >> >>>> > On Aug 27, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Cody Bair >> >>>> > wrote: >> >>>> > >> >>>> >> Hi All, >> >>>> >> As you are probably already aware, NABS conducts monthly >> >>>> >> membership >> >>>> calls. >> >>>> >> In order to get this school year started we are currently seeking >> >>>> >> your >> >>>> >> input on what topics you would like to see us cover this year. >> >>>> >> Please >> >>>> >> either reply directly to this thread with your suggestions or >> >>>> >> mail >> >>>> them >> >>>> >> directly to >> >>>> >> Nabs.membership at gmail.com >> >>>> >> Sincerely, >> >>>> >> The NABS membership Committee >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> >> nabs-l mailing list >> >>>> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>>> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> >>>> >> for >> >>>> >> nabs-l: >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > _______________________________________________ >> >>>> > nabs-l mailing list >> >>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> >>>> > nabs-l: >> >>>> > >> >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > _______________________________________________ >> >>>> > nabs-l mailing list >> >>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> >>>> > nabs-l: >> >>>> > >> >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >> >>>> > >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> Cynthia Bennett >> >>>> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >> >>>> >> >>>> clb5590 at gmail.com >> >>>> 828.989.5383 >> >>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> nabs-l mailing list >> >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> >>>> for >> >>>> nabs-l: >> >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >> > >> >> >> -- >> Cynthia Bennett >> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >> >> clb5590 at gmail.com >> 828.989.5383 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com > -- Cynthia Bennett B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com 828.989.5383 From clb5590 at gmail.com Tue Aug 28 05:37:56 2012 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cynthia Bennett) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 22:37:56 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Membership Call Survey (repost) Message-ID: Hi All, As you are probably already aware, NABS conducts monthly membership calls. In order to get this school year started we are currently seeking your input on what topics you would like to see us cover this year. Please either reply directly to this thread with your suggestions or mail them directly to Nabs.membership at gmail.com Sincerely, The NABS membership Committee (I hope you don't mind the repost. We kind of ran with the voting topic on the last thread, so I wanted to repost it for people who may have not seen the original message.) -- Cynthia Bennett B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com 828.989.5383 From clb5590 at gmail.com Tue Aug 28 05:41:26 2012 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cynthia Bennett) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 22:41:26 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] ID's and Voting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No one will come after you if you don't renew your ID on time. I would investigate whether you can renew it online. In any case, you might be able to do ID required things with an expired ID, but you might not. My last ID expired, and I was busy graduating from high school and going on a trip or something, so I went through the airport with an expired ID. Security wasn't happy with it, but when I offered to give them my passport, they just let me go. So it's a gamble. But in my opinion, I wouldn't want to take that risk if I want to go out to a bar and have a good time with my friends, or go on an expensive trip. I know that if the option to renew an ID online does exist, and if you let your ID lapse, you will be unable to renew your ID online, and you will definitely have to go get a new one in person. So I would investigate that option before your ID expires. Cindy On 8/27/12, Desiree Oudinot wrote: > Oh yeah, going to the dmv definitely does suck. Not because you have > to wait forever. I can deal with that. What really, and I mean really! > annoys me, is the fact that I am very sensitive to light, so I tend to > squint a lot, or involuntarily close my eyes, especially when I know > something unpleasant is coming like a camera flash. Of course, the > people at the dmv keep trying to get a picture of me with my eyes > open, and are quite rude after the first few tries with no success. I > understand they have a job to do, but it's not exactly something I can > help. It's not like I can wear sunglasses for the picture, that would > be even more unacceptable. I only had to do this process once, and > actually my time to renew is fast approaching. In fact, my ID is very > close to expiring, mostly because I don't really have anyone to take > me to the dmv. what happens if your ID expires? Is that illegal? They > send you a letter with the date to have it done by, so I guess if I > don't somehow get it done in the next few days, I'd like to know if > I'm going to have cops busting down my door or something. > > On 8/28/12, Cynthia Bennett wrote: >> Oh I totally agree. And, it is common for sighted people to have >> nondriving licenses since many people who live in cities just don't >> drive. >> >> The stamp is a good idea, and not just for voting. I hadn't thought of >> that. Where would you get a custom stamp made? >> >> Cindy >> >> On 8/27/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> I think it is fair for a blind person to need to get a state ID card >>> or non-driving license. Going to the DMV sucks but it sucks for >>> sighted people too. Having some kind of legal identification is just >>> part of living in this country as an adult and enables us to >>> participate in all the same activities as those with drivers' >>> licenses, including flying on airplanes and passing the age test to >>> buy alcohol (I don't think student ID is acceptable for either of >>> these things, whether you are sighted or blind). I do, however, agree >>> that requiring a blind person to give a signature that matches one on >>> file is probably unfair even if it is not intended to be >>> discriminatory. A blind person could get around this by signing with a >>> stamp, though I'm not sure how long those last. >>> Arielle >>> On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: >>>> Hm my main concern with the IDs is that people have to get to the DMV >>>> somehow. In places like Nashville, that's not exactly straightforward. >>>> I >>>> guess they could take a cab? It just sucks because, I think before, >>>> people >>>> could just use a student ID (speaking about our own age group). Now, >>>> the >>>> states have made it more difficult than it already was. >>>> >>>> Rhode Island has an interesting approach to this (and someone correct >>>> me >>>> if >>>> I'm wrong). If you don't have a state ID on you at the polling place, >>>> you >>>> can sign an affidavit of identity, which basically just certifies that >>>> you >>>> are who you say you are. I like this idea (well, except for the whole >>>> signature thing, which I had never thought about). >>>> >>>> http://www.ncsl.org/legislatures-elections/elections/voter-id.aspx >>>> >>>> >>>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Cynthia Bennett >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Stephanie: >>>>> >>>>> This is great informaition. Thanks for going so much in depth. >>>>> >>>>> The ID issue is the easiest. I don't know of a state that doesn't >>>>> offer a nondriving photo ID. This can be obtained wherever you would >>>>> go to get your driver's license. It looks just like and contains all >>>>> of the information that a driver's license contains. It is a >>>>> legitimate form of ID. I had no problems at the precincts in NC when I >>>>> showed my photo ID. >>>>> >>>>> Where ID's relate to my concern is that when you get your ID, you have >>>>> to sign the bottom. The DMV that I went to had an electronic pad that >>>>> you sign with a stylus. I typically like to place a finger down on a >>>>> paper to orient myself before I write my signature. But touching the >>>>> electronic pad made a finger print. After a few unsuccessful tries, >>>>> the agent gave me an index card, and they elected to process my >>>>> signature the old way. This was helpful, but even though I have been >>>>> signing my name since I was 7, I really don't have any way of knowing >>>>> if I have signed my name exactly the way it looks on my state ID; this >>>>> signature is kept on file with the state so they don't actually have >>>>> to look at your ID to see it. I know that the intentions of this are >>>>> good and in place to prevent voter fraud, but as a blind person, I >>>>> feel like it pretty much gives me no choice but to find 2 witnesses to >>>>> sign my ballot and varify my signature, and I think that is unfair >>>>> since a sighted person can fill out their ballot independently and >>>>> forego the long precinct lines since they are located far and few >>>>> between due to the mailed-out ballots being the primary method used >>>>> for voting. >>>>> >>>>> I'm sure the membership committee will look at all of this information >>>>> and decide if this call is a good idea, which I think we will, and we >>>>> will work to find appropriate people to conduct the call. Thanks so >>>>> much for the information. It was really great to read. >>>>> >>>>> And, I go by Cindy so that's fine. >>>>> >>>>> Cindy >>>>> >>>>> On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: >>>>> > This website is very informative. The following link takes you to a >>>>> > page >>>>> > where they have links to several laws relevant to people with >>>>> disabilities. >>>>> > >>>>> > http://www.section508.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=Laws >>>>> > >>>>> > In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>>> > ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> >> Heh, I mean Cynthia, sorry! >>>>> >> >>>>> >> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>>> >> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca >>>>> >> wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >>> I'm excited to see that other people support the idea of getting >>>>> >>> involved >>>>> >>> but sad to admit that it's a problem. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> My story is this: In 2008, I went for early voting at one of the >>>>> >>> designated places in Nashville. When it was my turn, they >>>>> >>> designated >>>>> >>> a >>>>> >>> polling machine to me. Before I began the process, I asked about >>>>> >>> assisted >>>>> >>> voting. Maybe I should have asked about accessible polling >>>>> >>> machines? >>>>> >>> Anyway, he just said he'd have to help me and that was the only >>>>> >>> option >>>>> >>> I >>>>> >>> had. I turned him down and went through the process myself (I do >>>>> >>> have >>>>> >>> some >>>>> >>> vision). >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> It seems that the voting issues fall into a few categories: >>>>> >>> 1) lack of knowledge of rights/responsibilities on behalf of the >>>>> >>> voter >>>>> >>> 2) lack of training and knowledge of polling staff >>>>> >>> 3) lack of a functioning accessible voting machine on site >>>>> >>> 4) difficult-to-follow tutorials/instructions for the accessible >>>>> machine >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> For me, numbers 1 and 2 seem to be the biggest problems. How do >>>>> >>> we >>>>> >>> get >>>>> >>> the word out and how do we insure that the people at the polling >>>>> >>> places >>>>> >>> are >>>>> >>> trained and that there is a funcitoning machine available? >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> I like the idea about having demos. Barring that, would it be >>>>> >>> possible >>>>> >>> to record a tutorial and post it online? Maybe by someone who has >>>>> >>> used >>>>> >>> it >>>>> >>> recently? I've heard that the tutorial provided at the polling >>>>> >>> place >>>>> is >>>>> >>> often not straightforward or easy to follow and that a blind user >>>>> >>> could >>>>> >>> do >>>>> >>> a better job haha >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> I think we should at the very least inform people of their rights. >>>>> >>> I >>>>> >>> think finding the federal law wouldn't be too hard, but some rules >>>>> >>> vary >>>>> >>> state by state. I'm having trouble tracking down the information >>>>> >>> for >>>>> >>> TN, >>>>> >>> for example. Anyway, here is the federal law (I think). >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> *Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act* >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> The Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act of >>>>> >>> 1984 >>>>> >>> generally requires polling places across the United States to be >>>>> >>> physically >>>>> >>> accessible to people with disabilities for federal elections. >>>>> >>> Where >>>>> >>> no >>>>> >>> accessible location is available to serve as a polling place, a >>>>> >>> political >>>>> >>> subdivision must provide an alternate means of casting a ballot on >>>>> >>> the >>>>> >>> day >>>>> >>> of the election. This law also requires states to make available >>>>> >>> registration and voting aids for disabled and elderly voters, >>>>> >>> including >>>>> >>> information by TTYs (also known as TDDs) or similar devices. For >>>>> >>> more >>>>> >>> information, contact: >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> U.S. Department of Justice >>>>> >>> Civil Rights Division >>>>> >>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >>>>> >>> Voting Section - 1800 G >>>>> >>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> *National Voter Registration Act* >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> The National Voter Registration Act of 1993, also known as the >>>>> >>> "Motor >>>>> >>> Voter Act," makes it easier for all Americans to exercise their >>>>> >>> fundamental >>>>> >>> right to vote. One of the basic purposes of the Act is to increase >>>>> >>> the >>>>> >>> historically low registration rates of minorities and persons with >>>>> >>> disabilities that have resulted from discrimination. The Motor >>>>> >>> Voter >>>>> Act >>>>> >>> requires all offices of State-funded programs that are primarily >>>>> engaged >>>>> >>> in >>>>> >>> providing services to persons with disabilities to provide all >>>>> >>> program >>>>> >>> applicants with voter registration forms, to assist them in >>>>> >>> completing >>>>> >>> the >>>>> >>> forms, and to transmit completed forms to the appropriate State >>>>> >>> official. >>>>> >>> For more information, contact: >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> U.S. Department of Justice >>>>> >>> Civil Rights Division >>>>> >>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >>>>> >>> Voting Section - 1800 G >>>>> >>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> www.usdoj.gov/crt/voting >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> It seems that the NFB has a lot of lawyers. Is it possible for us >>>>> >>> to >>>>> >>> get >>>>> >>> someone trained in law to help us with this one? >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Here is another good resource, the Department of Justice: >>>>> >>> http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/drs/ >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> One question I have is, why aren't ALL voting machines accessible? >>>>> >>> It >>>>> >>> seems like this is more of a software issue. Would it not be >>>>> >>> possible >>>>> >>> to >>>>> >>> write accessible software to be used on all machines? >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> One other thing is that we should encourage people to file a >>>>> >>> complaint >>>>> >>> if >>>>> >>> they have these aforementioned problems this year and in the >>>>> >>> future. >>>>> We >>>>> >>> (the NFB) should provide information on that, as well. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> While I think this is a concern for the whole NFB on a national >>>>> >>> level, >>>>> I >>>>> >>> think as students, we are in a good spot to target new voters and >>>>> >>> college >>>>> >>> students who have not voted before. Maybe we could draft a >>>>> >>> brochure >>>>> >>> about >>>>> >>> rights and responsibilities and general information (maybe even >>>>> >>> for >>>>> >>> people >>>>> >>> who aren't blind but are disabled?) and make sure it gets >>>>> >>> distributed >>>>> at >>>>> >>> voter registration drives going on campus. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Cindy also makes a good point about getting to the voting place. >>>>> >>> Also, >>>>> >>> this will become even more difficult in many states that require >>>>> >>> valid >>>>> >>> state IDs (like TN, AL, AR, etc.). How should we deal with this? >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>>> >>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Cynthia Bennett >>>>> >>> wrote: >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>>> Stephanie: >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> That is a great idea. I had a similar experience as Josh as I >>>>> >>>> voted >>>>> >>>> in >>>>> >>>> my first election. They were the 2008 primaries, and I was very >>>>> >>>> excited. When the machine did not work, I asked a poll worker to >>>>> >>>> assist me. They filled in the ballot as I wished, but the worker >>>>> >>>> did >>>>> >>>> make some comments about their preference on a politician. This >>>>> >>>> occured when I said that I did not want to vote for a particular >>>>> >>>> office, because I was unfamiliar with any of the candidates. I >>>>> >>>> said >>>>> >>>> something like, "I don't want to fill in anything for this," and >>>>> >>>> the >>>>> >>>> worker responded with "Oh, I heard that ___ is pretty good. Do >>>>> >>>> you >>>>> >>>> want me to fill in his/her name?" I chose to still not vote for >>>>> >>>> that >>>>> >>>> particular office. This practice is illegal, and I chose not to >>>>> >>>> say >>>>> >>>> anything about it. But I do think that an informational call >>>>> >>>> about >>>>> >>>> rights and accessible voting machines would be awesome. >>>>> >>>> Unfortunately, >>>>> >>>> each state is a little different, but information about federal >>>>> >>>> mandates on the presence of accessible voting machines/rights and >>>>> >>>> some >>>>> >>>> typical patterns in accessible voting in states would be great. >>>>> >>>> For >>>>> >>>> example, Washington conducts mail ballots. There are a few >>>>> >>>> precincts >>>>> >>>> around town, but if you work in a neighborhood in which it takes >>>>> >>>> a >>>>> >>>> while to get to a precinct, you are at a disadvantage as a blind >>>>> >>>> person. So, you can either take off work and use public >>>>> >>>> transportation >>>>> >>>> to navigate to one of the few and very busy precincts and wait in >>>>> >>>> a >>>>> >>>> 3-hour line, or you can find a reader and disclose your voting >>>>> >>>> preferences. The other animal in this issue is that if you choose >>>>> >>>> to >>>>> >>>> get a reader to fill out your signature does not match the >>>>> >>>> signature >>>>> >>>> on your state ID which is kept on file, then your ballot can be >>>>> >>>> deemed >>>>> >>>> as false and not counted. As a blind person, I do the best I can >>>>> >>>> with >>>>> >>>> my signature, but I do think that even the most ambitious blind >>>>> >>>> people >>>>> >>>> are at a disadvantage when having to match a signature, and our >>>>> >>>> ballots could not be counted, and we may not hear about it, or we >>>>> >>>> would learn of it after elections are closed. If we are afraid >>>>> >>>> that >>>>> >>>> our signature may not match that of our state ID, then we can >>>>> >>>> have >>>>> >>>> 2 >>>>> >>>> witnesses sign. But that is 2 more people that have to see my >>>>> >>>> ballot. >>>>> >>>> I do not think that this practice is common within the states, >>>>> >>>> and >>>>> >>>> I >>>>> >>>> would definitely not like my experience to dominate the nature of >>>>> >>>> the >>>>> >>>> call, but I wanted to relay it to show that I think this is a >>>>> >>>> very >>>>> >>>> good idea. I would personally like some professional/legal >>>>> >>>> advice/legal suggestions on how this can be changed. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> So, if you have any suggestions on people to conduct this call, >>>>> >>>> or >>>>> >>>> resources for where this information can be found, please share >>>>> >>>> it. >>>>> >>>> If >>>>> >>>> not, the membership committee will certainly take the initiative >>>>> >>>> to >>>>> >>>> conduct an informative call if we do in fact decide to pursue >>>>> >>>> this >>>>> >>>> topic. But I wanted to make sure that since you made the >>>>> >>>> suggestion, >>>>> >>>> you are welcome to provide suggestions on people to conduct the >>>>> >>>> call. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> I know that someone comes to each NC state convention with an >>>>> >>>> accessible voting machine to show in the exhibit hall. During >>>>> >>>> this >>>>> >>>> time, people can vote in a fake election and orient themselves to >>>>> >>>> the >>>>> >>>> machine. I am not sure if NC is still doing this since it has >>>>> >>>> been >>>>> >>>> a >>>>> >>>> few years since the accessible machines were introduced, but I >>>>> >>>> think >>>>> >>>> there is still a need for outreach about accessible voting. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> Keep the good membership call suggestions coming! >>>>> >>>> Cindy >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> On 8/27/12, Joshua Lester >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>> > Hi, Stephanie! >>>>> >>>> > That's a great idea! >>>>> >>>> > I went to my voting site, earlier this year, and the machine >>>>> >>>> > didn't >>>>> >>>> work. >>>>> >>>> > My Disability Rights person that works for the governor, here >>>>> >>>> > said >>>>> >>>> he'd come >>>>> >>>> > down, to show them how to work it, but he never showed up! >>>>> >>>> > Thanks, Joshua >>>>> >>>> > ________________________________________ >>>>> >>>> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on >>>>> behalf >>>>> >>>> of >>>>> >>>> > Stephanie DeLuca [sjhhirst at gmail.com] >>>>> >>>> > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 2:53 PM >>>>> >>>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> >>>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS Membership Call Survey >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>> > I think a discussion on voting as people with disabilities >>>>> >>>> > would >>>>> >>>> > be >>>>> >>>> good. >>>>> >>>> > Since a lot of people are on college campuses, it'd be a good >>>>> >>>> opportunity to >>>>> >>>> > get involved with informing people with disabilities (mainly >>>>> >>>> > VI) >>>>> >>>> > about >>>>> >>>> > rights and responsibilities for voting. I've been to/worked at >>>>> >>>> > several >>>>> >>>> > voter registration drives, and I have NEVER seen information on >>>>> >>>> > voting >>>>> >>>> if >>>>> >>>> > you have a disability. >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>> > On Aug 27, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Cody Bair >>>>> >>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>> >> Hi All, >>>>> >>>> >> As you are probably already aware, NABS conducts monthly >>>>> >>>> >> membership >>>>> >>>> calls. >>>>> >>>> >> In order to get this school year started we are currently >>>>> >>>> >> seeking >>>>> >>>> >> your >>>>> >>>> >> input on what topics you would like to see us cover this year. >>>>> >>>> >> Please >>>>> >>>> >> either reply directly to this thread with your suggestions or >>>>> >>>> >> mail >>>>> >>>> them >>>>> >>>> >> directly to >>>>> >>>> >> Nabs.membership at gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >> Sincerely, >>>>> >>>> >> The NABS membership Committee >>>>> >>>> >> >>>>> >>>> >> >>>>> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>> >> nabs-l 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http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Cynthia Bennett >> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >> >> clb5590 at gmail.com >> 828.989.5383 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com > -- Cynthia Bennett B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com 828.989.5383 From turtlepower17 at gmail.com Tue Aug 28 05:47:51 2012 From: turtlepower17 at gmail.com (Desiree Oudinot) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 01:47:51 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] ID's and Voting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ok, thank you. I'll check into that. I definitely agree, you don't want to be caught out in a situation that requires an ID and then have to miss out on all the fun because it's expired. On 8/28/12, Cynthia Bennett wrote: > No one will come after you if you don't renew your ID on time. I would > investigate whether you can renew it online. In any case, you might be > able to do ID required things with an expired ID, but you might not. > My last ID expired, and I was busy graduating from high school and > going on a trip or something, so I went through the airport with an > expired ID. Security wasn't happy with it, but when I offered to give > them my passport, they just let me go. So it's a gamble. But in my > opinion, I wouldn't want to take that risk if I want to go out to a > bar and have a good time with my friends, or go on an expensive trip. > I know that if the option to renew an ID online does exist, and if you > let your ID lapse, you will be unable to renew your ID online, and you > will definitely have to go get a new one in person. So I would > investigate that option before your ID expires. > > Cindy > > On 8/27/12, Desiree Oudinot wrote: >> Oh yeah, going to the dmv definitely does suck. Not because you have >> to wait forever. I can deal with that. What really, and I mean really! >> annoys me, is the fact that I am very sensitive to light, so I tend to >> squint a lot, or involuntarily close my eyes, especially when I know >> something unpleasant is coming like a camera flash. Of course, the >> people at the dmv keep trying to get a picture of me with my eyes >> open, and are quite rude after the first few tries with no success. I >> understand they have a job to do, but it's not exactly something I can >> help. It's not like I can wear sunglasses for the picture, that would >> be even more unacceptable. I only had to do this process once, and >> actually my time to renew is fast approaching. In fact, my ID is very >> close to expiring, mostly because I don't really have anyone to take >> me to the dmv. what happens if your ID expires? Is that illegal? They >> send you a letter with the date to have it done by, so I guess if I >> don't somehow get it done in the next few days, I'd like to know if >> I'm going to have cops busting down my door or something. >> >> On 8/28/12, Cynthia Bennett wrote: >>> Oh I totally agree. And, it is common for sighted people to have >>> nondriving licenses since many people who live in cities just don't >>> drive. >>> >>> The stamp is a good idea, and not just for voting. I hadn't thought of >>> that. Where would you get a custom stamp made? >>> >>> Cindy >>> >>> On 8/27/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> I think it is fair for a blind person to need to get a state ID card >>>> or non-driving license. Going to the DMV sucks but it sucks for >>>> sighted people too. Having some kind of legal identification is just >>>> part of living in this country as an adult and enables us to >>>> participate in all the same activities as those with drivers' >>>> licenses, including flying on airplanes and passing the age test to >>>> buy alcohol (I don't think student ID is acceptable for either of >>>> these things, whether you are sighted or blind). I do, however, agree >>>> that requiring a blind person to give a signature that matches one on >>>> file is probably unfair even if it is not intended to be >>>> discriminatory. A blind person could get around this by signing with a >>>> stamp, though I'm not sure how long those last. >>>> Arielle >>>> On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: >>>>> Hm my main concern with the IDs is that people have to get to the DMV >>>>> somehow. In places like Nashville, that's not exactly >>>>> straightforward. >>>>> I >>>>> guess they could take a cab? It just sucks because, I think before, >>>>> people >>>>> could just use a student ID (speaking about our own age group). Now, >>>>> the >>>>> states have made it more difficult than it already was. >>>>> >>>>> Rhode Island has an interesting approach to this (and someone correct >>>>> me >>>>> if >>>>> I'm wrong). If you don't have a state ID on you at the polling place, >>>>> you >>>>> can sign an affidavit of identity, which basically just certifies that >>>>> you >>>>> are who you say you are. I like this idea (well, except for the whole >>>>> signature thing, which I had never thought about). >>>>> >>>>> http://www.ncsl.org/legislatures-elections/elections/voter-id.aspx >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Cynthia Bennett >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Stephanie: >>>>>> >>>>>> This is great informaition. Thanks for going so much in depth. >>>>>> >>>>>> The ID issue is the easiest. I don't know of a state that doesn't >>>>>> offer a nondriving photo ID. This can be obtained wherever you would >>>>>> go to get your driver's license. It looks just like and contains all >>>>>> of the information that a driver's license contains. It is a >>>>>> legitimate form of ID. I had no problems at the precincts in NC when >>>>>> I >>>>>> showed my photo ID. >>>>>> >>>>>> Where ID's relate to my concern is that when you get your ID, you >>>>>> have >>>>>> to sign the bottom. The DMV that I went to had an electronic pad that >>>>>> you sign with a stylus. I typically like to place a finger down on a >>>>>> paper to orient myself before I write my signature. But touching the >>>>>> electronic pad made a finger print. After a few unsuccessful tries, >>>>>> the agent gave me an index card, and they elected to process my >>>>>> signature the old way. This was helpful, but even though I have been >>>>>> signing my name since I was 7, I really don't have any way of knowing >>>>>> if I have signed my name exactly the way it looks on my state ID; >>>>>> this >>>>>> signature is kept on file with the state so they don't actually have >>>>>> to look at your ID to see it. I know that the intentions of this are >>>>>> good and in place to prevent voter fraud, but as a blind person, I >>>>>> feel like it pretty much gives me no choice but to find 2 witnesses >>>>>> to >>>>>> sign my ballot and varify my signature, and I think that is unfair >>>>>> since a sighted person can fill out their ballot independently and >>>>>> forego the long precinct lines since they are located far and few >>>>>> between due to the mailed-out ballots being the primary method used >>>>>> for voting. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm sure the membership committee will look at all of this >>>>>> information >>>>>> and decide if this call is a good idea, which I think we will, and we >>>>>> will work to find appropriate people to conduct the call. Thanks so >>>>>> much for the information. It was really great to read. >>>>>> >>>>>> And, I go by Cindy so that's fine. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cindy >>>>>> >>>>>> On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: >>>>>> > This website is very informative. The following link takes you to >>>>>> > a >>>>>> > page >>>>>> > where they have links to several laws relevant to people with >>>>>> disabilities. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > http://www.section508.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=Laws >>>>>> > >>>>>> > In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>>>> > ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> >> Heh, I mean Cynthia, sorry! >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>>>> >> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca >>>>>> >> wrote: >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >>> I'm excited to see that other people support the idea of getting >>>>>> >>> involved >>>>>> >>> but sad to admit that it's a problem. >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> My story is this: In 2008, I went for early voting at one of the >>>>>> >>> designated places in Nashville. When it was my turn, they >>>>>> >>> designated >>>>>> >>> a >>>>>> >>> polling machine to me. Before I began the process, I asked about >>>>>> >>> assisted >>>>>> >>> voting. Maybe I should have asked about accessible polling >>>>>> >>> machines? >>>>>> >>> Anyway, he just said he'd have to help me and that was the only >>>>>> >>> option >>>>>> >>> I >>>>>> >>> had. I turned him down and went through the process myself (I do >>>>>> >>> have >>>>>> >>> some >>>>>> >>> vision). >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> It seems that the voting issues fall into a few categories: >>>>>> >>> 1) lack of knowledge of rights/responsibilities on behalf of the >>>>>> >>> voter >>>>>> >>> 2) lack of training and knowledge of polling staff >>>>>> >>> 3) lack of a functioning accessible voting machine on site >>>>>> >>> 4) difficult-to-follow tutorials/instructions for the accessible >>>>>> machine >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> For me, numbers 1 and 2 seem to be the biggest problems. How do >>>>>> >>> we >>>>>> >>> get >>>>>> >>> the word out and how do we insure that the people at the polling >>>>>> >>> places >>>>>> >>> are >>>>>> >>> trained and that there is a funcitoning machine available? >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> I like the idea about having demos. Barring that, would it be >>>>>> >>> possible >>>>>> >>> to record a tutorial and post it online? Maybe by someone who >>>>>> >>> has >>>>>> >>> used >>>>>> >>> it >>>>>> >>> recently? I've heard that the tutorial provided at the polling >>>>>> >>> place >>>>>> is >>>>>> >>> often not straightforward or easy to follow and that a blind user >>>>>> >>> could >>>>>> >>> do >>>>>> >>> a better job haha >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> I think we should at the very least inform people of their >>>>>> >>> rights. >>>>>> >>> I >>>>>> >>> think finding the federal law wouldn't be too hard, but some >>>>>> >>> rules >>>>>> >>> vary >>>>>> >>> state by state. I'm having trouble tracking down the information >>>>>> >>> for >>>>>> >>> TN, >>>>>> >>> for example. Anyway, here is the federal law (I think). >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> *Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act* >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> The Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act of >>>>>> >>> 1984 >>>>>> >>> generally requires polling places across the United States to be >>>>>> >>> physically >>>>>> >>> accessible to people with disabilities for federal elections. >>>>>> >>> Where >>>>>> >>> no >>>>>> >>> accessible location is available to serve as a polling place, a >>>>>> >>> political >>>>>> >>> subdivision must provide an alternate means of casting a ballot >>>>>> >>> on >>>>>> >>> the >>>>>> >>> day >>>>>> >>> of the election. This law also requires states to make available >>>>>> >>> registration and voting aids for disabled and elderly voters, >>>>>> >>> including >>>>>> >>> information by TTYs (also known as TDDs) or similar devices. For >>>>>> >>> more >>>>>> >>> information, contact: >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> U.S. Department of Justice >>>>>> >>> Civil Rights Division >>>>>> >>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >>>>>> >>> Voting Section - 1800 G >>>>>> >>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> *National Voter Registration Act* >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> The National Voter Registration Act of 1993, also known as the >>>>>> >>> "Motor >>>>>> >>> Voter Act," makes it easier for all Americans to exercise their >>>>>> >>> fundamental >>>>>> >>> right to vote. One of the basic purposes of the Act is to >>>>>> >>> increase >>>>>> >>> the >>>>>> >>> historically low registration rates of minorities and persons >>>>>> >>> with >>>>>> >>> disabilities that have resulted from discrimination. The Motor >>>>>> >>> Voter >>>>>> Act >>>>>> >>> requires all offices of State-funded programs that are primarily >>>>>> engaged >>>>>> >>> in >>>>>> >>> providing services to persons with disabilities to provide all >>>>>> >>> program >>>>>> >>> applicants with voter registration forms, to assist them in >>>>>> >>> completing >>>>>> >>> the >>>>>> >>> forms, and to transmit completed forms to the appropriate State >>>>>> >>> official. >>>>>> >>> For more information, contact: >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> U.S. Department of Justice >>>>>> >>> Civil Rights Division >>>>>> >>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >>>>>> >>> Voting Section - 1800 G >>>>>> >>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> www.usdoj.gov/crt/voting >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> It seems that the NFB has a lot of lawyers. Is it possible for >>>>>> >>> us >>>>>> >>> to >>>>>> >>> get >>>>>> >>> someone trained in law to help us with this one? >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Here is another good resource, the Department of Justice: >>>>>> >>> http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/drs/ >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> One question I have is, why aren't ALL voting machines >>>>>> >>> accessible? >>>>>> >>> It >>>>>> >>> seems like this is more of a software issue. Would it not be >>>>>> >>> possible >>>>>> >>> to >>>>>> >>> write accessible software to be used on all machines? >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> One other thing is that we should encourage people to file a >>>>>> >>> complaint >>>>>> >>> if >>>>>> >>> they have these aforementioned problems this year and in the >>>>>> >>> future. >>>>>> We >>>>>> >>> (the NFB) should provide information on that, as well. >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> While I think this is a concern for the whole NFB on a national >>>>>> >>> level, >>>>>> I >>>>>> >>> think as students, we are in a good spot to target new voters and >>>>>> >>> college >>>>>> >>> students who have not voted before. Maybe we could draft a >>>>>> >>> brochure >>>>>> >>> about >>>>>> >>> rights and responsibilities and general information (maybe even >>>>>> >>> for >>>>>> >>> people >>>>>> >>> who aren't blind but are disabled?) and make sure it gets >>>>>> >>> distributed >>>>>> at >>>>>> >>> voter registration drives going on campus. >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Cindy also makes a good point about getting to the voting place. >>>>>> >>> Also, >>>>>> >>> this will become even more difficult in many states that require >>>>>> >>> valid >>>>>> >>> state IDs (like TN, AL, AR, etc.). How should we deal with this? >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared >>>>>> >>> mind. >>>>>> >>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Cynthia Bennett >>>>>> >>> wrote: >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>> Stephanie: >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> That is a great idea. I had a similar experience as Josh as I >>>>>> >>>> voted >>>>>> >>>> in >>>>>> >>>> my first election. They were the 2008 primaries, and I was very >>>>>> >>>> excited. When the machine did not work, I asked a poll worker to >>>>>> >>>> assist me. They filled in the ballot as I wished, but the worker >>>>>> >>>> did >>>>>> >>>> make some comments about their preference on a politician. This >>>>>> >>>> occured when I said that I did not want to vote for a particular >>>>>> >>>> office, because I was unfamiliar with any of the candidates. I >>>>>> >>>> said >>>>>> >>>> something like, "I don't want to fill in anything for this," and >>>>>> >>>> the >>>>>> >>>> worker responded with "Oh, I heard that ___ is pretty good. Do >>>>>> >>>> you >>>>>> >>>> want me to fill in his/her name?" I chose to still not vote for >>>>>> >>>> that >>>>>> >>>> particular office. This practice is illegal, and I chose not to >>>>>> >>>> say >>>>>> >>>> anything about it. But I do think that an informational call >>>>>> >>>> about >>>>>> >>>> rights and accessible voting machines would be awesome. >>>>>> >>>> Unfortunately, >>>>>> >>>> each state is a little different, but information about federal >>>>>> >>>> mandates on the presence of accessible voting machines/rights >>>>>> >>>> and >>>>>> >>>> some >>>>>> >>>> typical patterns in accessible voting in states would be great. >>>>>> >>>> For >>>>>> >>>> example, Washington conducts mail ballots. There are a few >>>>>> >>>> precincts >>>>>> >>>> around town, but if you work in a neighborhood in which it takes >>>>>> >>>> a >>>>>> >>>> while to get to a precinct, you are at a disadvantage as a blind >>>>>> >>>> person. So, you can either take off work and use public >>>>>> >>>> transportation >>>>>> >>>> to navigate to one of the few and very busy precincts and wait >>>>>> >>>> in >>>>>> >>>> a >>>>>> >>>> 3-hour line, or you can find a reader and disclose your voting >>>>>> >>>> preferences. The other animal in this issue is that if you >>>>>> >>>> choose >>>>>> >>>> to >>>>>> >>>> get a reader to fill out your signature does not match the >>>>>> >>>> signature >>>>>> >>>> on your state ID which is kept on file, then your ballot can be >>>>>> >>>> deemed >>>>>> >>>> as false and not counted. As a blind person, I do the best I can >>>>>> >>>> with >>>>>> >>>> my signature, but I do think that even the most ambitious blind >>>>>> >>>> people >>>>>> >>>> are at a disadvantage when having to match a signature, and our >>>>>> >>>> ballots could not be counted, and we may not hear about it, or >>>>>> >>>> we >>>>>> >>>> would learn of it after elections are closed. If we are afraid >>>>>> >>>> that >>>>>> >>>> our signature may not match that of our state ID, then we can >>>>>> >>>> have >>>>>> >>>> 2 >>>>>> >>>> witnesses sign. But that is 2 more people that have to see my >>>>>> >>>> ballot. >>>>>> >>>> I do not think that this practice is common within the states, >>>>>> >>>> and >>>>>> >>>> I >>>>>> >>>> would definitely not like my experience to dominate the nature >>>>>> >>>> of >>>>>> >>>> the >>>>>> >>>> call, but I wanted to relay it to show that I think this is a >>>>>> >>>> very >>>>>> >>>> good idea. I would personally like some professional/legal >>>>>> >>>> advice/legal suggestions on how this can be changed. >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> So, if you have any suggestions on people to conduct this call, >>>>>> >>>> or >>>>>> >>>> resources for where this information can be found, please share >>>>>> >>>> it. >>>>>> >>>> If >>>>>> >>>> not, the membership committee will certainly take the initiative >>>>>> >>>> to >>>>>> >>>> conduct an informative call if we do in fact decide to pursue >>>>>> >>>> this >>>>>> >>>> topic. But I wanted to make sure that since you made the >>>>>> >>>> suggestion, >>>>>> >>>> you are welcome to provide suggestions on people to conduct the >>>>>> >>>> call. >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> I know that someone comes to each NC state convention with an >>>>>> >>>> accessible voting machine to show in the exhibit hall. During >>>>>> >>>> this >>>>>> >>>> time, people can vote in a fake election and orient themselves >>>>>> >>>> to >>>>>> >>>> the >>>>>> >>>> machine. I am not sure if NC is still doing this since it has >>>>>> >>>> been >>>>>> >>>> a >>>>>> >>>> few years since the accessible machines were introduced, but I >>>>>> >>>> think >>>>>> >>>> there is still a need for outreach about accessible voting. >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> Keep the good membership call suggestions coming! >>>>>> >>>> Cindy >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> On 8/27/12, Joshua Lester >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>> > Hi, Stephanie! >>>>>> >>>> > That's a great idea! >>>>>> >>>> > I went to my voting site, earlier this year, and the machine >>>>>> >>>> > didn't >>>>>> >>>> work. >>>>>> >>>> > My Disability Rights person that works for the governor, here >>>>>> >>>> > said >>>>>> >>>> he'd come >>>>>> >>>> > down, to show them how to work it, but he never showed up! >>>>>> >>>> > Thanks, Joshua >>>>>> >>>> > ________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on >>>>>> behalf >>>>>> >>>> of >>>>>> >>>> > Stephanie DeLuca [sjhhirst at gmail.com] >>>>>> >>>> > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 2:53 PM >>>>>> >>>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> >>>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS Membership Call Survey >>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> > I think a discussion on voting as people with disabilities >>>>>> >>>> > would >>>>>> >>>> > be >>>>>> >>>> good. >>>>>> >>>> > Since a lot of people are on college campuses, it'd be a good >>>>>> >>>> opportunity to >>>>>> >>>> > get involved with informing people with disabilities (mainly >>>>>> >>>> > VI) >>>>>> >>>> > about >>>>>> >>>> > rights and responsibilities for voting. I've been to/worked >>>>>> >>>> > at >>>>>> >>>> > several >>>>>> >>>> > voter registration drives, and I have NEVER seen information >>>>>> >>>> > on >>>>>> >>>> > voting >>>>>> >>>> if >>>>>> >>>> > you have a disability. >>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> > On Aug 27, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Cody Bair >>>>>> >>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> >> Hi All, >>>>>> >>>> >> As you are probably already aware, NABS conducts monthly >>>>>> >>>> >> membership >>>>>> >>>> calls. >>>>>> >>>> >> In order to get this school year started we are currently >>>>>> >>>> >> seeking >>>>>> >>>> >> your >>>>>> >>>> >> input on what topics you would like to see us cover this >>>>>> >>>> >> year. >>>>>> >>>> >> Please >>>>>> >>>> >> either reply directly to this thread with your suggestions or >>>>>> >>>> >> mail >>>>>> >>>> them >>>>>> >>>> >> directly to >>>>>> >>>> >> Nabs.membership at gmail.com >>>>>> >>>> >> Sincerely, >>>>>> >>>> >> The NABS membership Committee >>>>>> >>>> >> >>>>>> >>>> >> >>>>>> >>>> >> 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00:10:27 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Taking a Course in Chinese In-Reply-To: <002301cd84d8$52893ae0$f79bb0a0$@gmail.com> References: <002301cd84d8$52893ae0$f79bb0a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8F5B7BD1-3677-4A3E-B6AA-585E8AB70A19@gmail.com> Hello, Hannah, This is gonna get a bit involved, but hang in there with me. Do you have native speakers of Mandarin or Cantonese Chinese around you with whom you can practice regularly? Are you studying Mandarin or Cantonese? That is very important, since those two languages are completely unintelligible! Without knowing that, I'll assume that you're taking a class in Chinese calligraphy, which would be strictly focused on Traditional Chinese characters. As you know, traditional characters are more complicated than simplified characters, which were created by the PRC Communist party to promote literacy in the 1970's. There are more than fifty thousand characters, which are used to represent words or ideas. Modern computers are very apt to represent them, but it's not easy. I, individually, prefer to use either a mac with voiceover and a braille display or Windows with NVDA and a Braille display. In Voiceover, both the Mandarin and Cantonese voices, as well as the Taiwanese voice will actually accurately deal with candidate lists, which are lists of characters offered in response to user input. For example, if you type bei, it may pop up and say "bei de Beijing," which is saying "Bei as in Beijing, the capital of China. It's absolutely wonderful. The pronunciation of the words themselves and their tones is impeccable. I'd have to get native speaker input, but from what I hear it's tremendous. Sorry for the lengthy descriptions, but I have to give you all that so that you don't arrive in ignorance. Sincerely, Ben J Bloomgren skype and twitter: blindbirder On Aug 27, 2012, at 9:48 PM, "Hannah Chadwick" wrote: > Hello everyone, > I've been on the list for quite a while now, but haven't introduced myself > to those of you who joined in the last year or so. my name is Hannah > Chadwick, and I'm attending UC Davis this fall. I'm planning on double > majoring in international relations and linguistics with a minor in > journalism. I love learning new languages, and will be taking a Chinese > class. I took Spanish for 2 years in high school and I was able to use my > BrailleNote for that, but I'm not sure that doing my Chinese work on the > Apex will be the best idea since the alphabet will be completely different. > Has anyone taken a Chinese course before? If so, what did you do in terms of > writing the Chinese alphabet? Are there software out to that would read the > language? > Best, Hannah > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ben.j.bloomgren%40gmail.com From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Tue Aug 28 13:28:30 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 09:28:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Taking a Course in Chinese In-Reply-To: <002301cd84d8$52893ae0$f79bb0a0$@gmail.com> References: <002301cd84d8$52893ae0$f79bb0a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <396D7E68-78F6-4F7F-8CAC-9DDFE3FF2933@gmail.com> I have never tried to write any of the 13 languages I am teaching myself. How the heck does that work? Sent from my iPad On Aug 28, 2012, at 0:48, "Hannah Chadwick" wrote: > Hello everyone, > I've been on the list for quite a while now, but haven't introduced myself > to those of you who joined in the last year or so. my name is Hannah > Chadwick, and I'm attending UC Davis this fall. I'm planning on double > majoring in international relations and linguistics with a minor in > journalism. I love learning new languages, and will be taking a Chinese > class. I took Spanish for 2 years in high school and I was able to use my > BrailleNote for that, but I'm not sure that doing my Chinese work on the > Apex will be the best idea since the alphabet will be completely different. > Has anyone taken a Chinese course before? If so, what did you do in terms of > writing the Chinese alphabet? Are there software out to that would read the > language? > Best, Hannah > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From slabarre at labarrelaw.com Tue Aug 28 13:29:12 2012 From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 07:29:12 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Voting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <017501cd8521$1e7e48a0$5b7ad9e0$@labarrelaw.com> Lou Ann Blake at our National Center is our national HAVA coordinater and would be happy to provide updates and answer questions etc. Best, Scott C. LaBarre, President National Federation of the Blind of Colorado -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle Silverman Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 10:09 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Voting When I voted for the first time in 2004 (before Help America Vote Act, HAVA, went into effect) I was living in Arizona and I used a mail-in Braille ballot. I was able to complete the entire process independently and I marked my answers on the ballot by circling them with a pen. I may have had to sign something but my signature was never matched against anything and as far as I know, my vote was counted properly (though my vote never really counts in AZ, but I digress). Do any other states offer accessible Braille ballots? I think it's an awesome idea and was surprised that Colorado apparently does not have them. When I voted again in 2006, I went to the poll excited about using an accessible voting machine, but the machine was nonfunctional. My mother and I had gone to the poll together and I was comfortable having her fill out my ballot, so I did that to ensure my vote went through. In that year the voting machines were brand-new and I reported the problem to an NFB committee that was collecting reports about the successful implementation of the HAVA regulations. I have used the voting machines in CO with no major issues. I am shocked and exasperated that people are still having problems getting the talking machines to work even four years after HAVA went into effect. It is also disturbing that a poll worker would suggest who to vote for when filling out a ballot as a reader and it makes me worry that some poll workers might be altering the votes of the people they assist. It might be good for someone in NABS leadership or on the membership committee to contact someone at national to find out what is currently happening with accessible voting and what the major issues are. I agree an informational call about how to use the voting machines, and what our rights are as blind voters, might be helpful for NABS members, although this of course is not just a student issue. Nevertheless, young folks voting for the first time could uniquely benefit from this info. Arielle On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: > This website is very informative. The following link takes you to a page > where they have links to several laws relevant to people with disabilities. > > http://www.section508.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=Laws > > In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. > ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 > > > On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca > wrote: > >> Heh, I mean Cynthia, sorry! >> >> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca >> wrote: >> >>> I'm excited to see that other people support the idea of getting >>> involved >>> but sad to admit that it's a problem. >>> >>> My story is this: In 2008, I went for early voting at one of the >>> designated places in Nashville. When it was my turn, they designated a >>> polling machine to me. Before I began the process, I asked about >>> assisted >>> voting. Maybe I should have asked about accessible polling machines? >>> Anyway, he just said he'd have to help me and that was the only option >>> I >>> had. I turned him down and went through the process myself (I do have >>> some >>> vision). >>> >>> It seems that the voting issues fall into a few categories: >>> 1) lack of knowledge of rights/responsibilities on behalf of the voter >>> 2) lack of training and knowledge of polling staff >>> 3) lack of a functioning accessible voting machine on site >>> 4) difficult-to-follow tutorials/instructions for the accessible machine >>> >>> For me, numbers 1 and 2 seem to be the biggest problems. How do we get >>> the word out and how do we insure that the people at the polling places >>> are >>> trained and that there is a funcitoning machine available? >>> >>> I like the idea about having demos. Barring that, would it be possible >>> to record a tutorial and post it online? Maybe by someone who has used >>> it >>> recently? I've heard that the tutorial provided at the polling place is >>> often not straightforward or easy to follow and that a blind user could >>> do >>> a better job haha >>> >>> I think we should at the very least inform people of their rights. I >>> think finding the federal law wouldn't be too hard, but some rules vary >>> state by state. I'm having trouble tracking down the information for >>> TN, >>> for example. Anyway, here is the federal law (I think). >>> >>> *Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act* >>> >>> The Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act of 1984 >>> generally requires polling places across the United States to be >>> physically >>> accessible to people with disabilities for federal elections. Where no >>> accessible location is available to serve as a polling place, a >>> political >>> subdivision must provide an alternate means of casting a ballot on the >>> day >>> of the election. This law also requires states to make available >>> registration and voting aids for disabled and elderly voters, including >>> information by TTYs (also known as TDDs) or similar devices. For more >>> information, contact: >>> >>> U.S. Department of Justice >>> Civil Rights Division >>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >>> Voting Section - 1800 G >>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >>> >>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >>> >>> >>> >>> *National Voter Registration Act* >>> >>> The National Voter Registration Act of 1993, also known as the "Motor >>> Voter Act," makes it easier for all Americans to exercise their >>> fundamental >>> right to vote. One of the basic purposes of the Act is to increase the >>> historically low registration rates of minorities and persons with >>> disabilities that have resulted from discrimination. The Motor Voter Act >>> requires all offices of State-funded programs that are primarily engaged >>> in >>> providing services to persons with disabilities to provide all program >>> applicants with voter registration forms, to assist them in completing >>> the >>> forms, and to transmit completed forms to the appropriate State >>> official. >>> For more information, contact: >>> >>> U.S. Department of Justice >>> Civil Rights Division >>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >>> Voting Section - 1800 G >>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >>> >>> www.usdoj.gov/crt/voting >>> >>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >>> >>> It seems that the NFB has a lot of lawyers. Is it possible for us to >>> get >>> someone trained in law to help us with this one? >>> >>> Here is another good resource, the Department of Justice: >>> http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/drs/ >>> >>> One question I have is, why aren't ALL voting machines accessible? It >>> seems like this is more of a software issue. Would it not be possible >>> to >>> write accessible software to be used on all machines? >>> >>> One other thing is that we should encourage people to file a complaint >>> if >>> they have these aforementioned problems this year and in the future. We >>> (the NFB) should provide information on that, as well. >>> >>> While I think this is a concern for the whole NFB on a national level, I >>> think as students, we are in a good spot to target new voters and >>> college >>> students who have not voted before. Maybe we could draft a brochure >>> about >>> rights and responsibilities and general information (maybe even for >>> people >>> who aren't blind but are disabled?) and make sure it gets distributed at >>> voter registration drives going on campus. >>> >>> Cindy also makes a good point about getting to the voting place. Also, >>> this will become even more difficult in many states that require valid >>> state IDs (like TN, AL, AR, etc.). How should we deal with this? >>> >>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Cynthia Bennett >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Stephanie: >>>> >>>> That is a great idea. I had a similar experience as Josh as I voted in >>>> my first election. They were the 2008 primaries, and I was very >>>> excited. When the machine did not work, I asked a poll worker to >>>> assist me. They filled in the ballot as I wished, but the worker did >>>> make some comments about their preference on a politician. This >>>> occured when I said that I did not want to vote for a particular >>>> office, because I was unfamiliar with any of the candidates. I said >>>> something like, "I don't want to fill in anything for this," and the >>>> worker responded with "Oh, I heard that ___ is pretty good. Do you >>>> want me to fill in his/her name?" I chose to still not vote for that >>>> particular office. This practice is illegal, and I chose not to say >>>> anything about it. But I do think that an informational call about >>>> rights and accessible voting machines would be awesome. Unfortunately, >>>> each state is a little different, but information about federal >>>> mandates on the presence of accessible voting machines/rights and some >>>> typical patterns in accessible voting in states would be great. For >>>> example, Washington conducts mail ballots. There are a few precincts >>>> around town, but if you work in a neighborhood in which it takes a >>>> while to get to a precinct, you are at a disadvantage as a blind >>>> person. So, you can either take off work and use public transportation >>>> to navigate to one of the few and very busy precincts and wait in a >>>> 3-hour line, or you can find a reader and disclose your voting >>>> preferences. The other animal in this issue is that if you choose to >>>> get a reader to fill out your signature does not match the signature >>>> on your state ID which is kept on file, then your ballot can be deemed >>>> as false and not counted. As a blind person, I do the best I can with >>>> my signature, but I do think that even the most ambitious blind people >>>> are at a disadvantage when having to match a signature, and our >>>> ballots could not be counted, and we may not hear about it, or we >>>> would learn of it after elections are closed. If we are afraid that >>>> our signature may not match that of our state ID, then we can have 2 >>>> witnesses sign. But that is 2 more people that have to see my ballot. >>>> I do not think that this practice is common within the states, and I >>>> would definitely not like my experience to dominate the nature of the >>>> call, but I wanted to relay it to show that I think this is a very >>>> good idea. I would personally like some professional/legal >>>> advice/legal suggestions on how this can be changed. >>>> >>>> So, if you have any suggestions on people to conduct this call, or >>>> resources for where this information can be found, please share it. If >>>> not, the membership committee will certainly take the initiative to >>>> conduct an informative call if we do in fact decide to pursue this >>>> topic. But I wanted to make sure that since you made the suggestion, >>>> you are welcome to provide suggestions on people to conduct the call. >>>> >>>> I know that someone comes to each NC state convention with an >>>> accessible voting machine to show in the exhibit hall. During this >>>> time, people can vote in a fake election and orient themselves to the >>>> machine. I am not sure if NC is still doing this since it has been a >>>> few years since the accessible machines were introduced, but I think >>>> there is still a need for outreach about accessible voting. >>>> >>>> Keep the good membership call suggestions coming! >>>> Cindy >>>> >>>> On 8/27/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>> > Hi, Stephanie! >>>> > That's a great idea! >>>> > I went to my voting site, earlier this year, and the machine didn't >>>> work. >>>> > My Disability Rights person that works for the governor, here said >>>> he'd come >>>> > down, to show them how to work it, but he never showed up! >>>> > Thanks, Joshua >>>> > ________________________________________ >>>> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf >>>> of >>>> > Stephanie DeLuca [sjhhirst at gmail.com] >>>> > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 2:53 PM >>>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS Membership Call Survey >>>> > >>>> > I think a discussion on voting as people with disabilities would be >>>> good. >>>> > Since a lot of people are on college campuses, it'd be a good >>>> opportunity to >>>> > get involved with informing people with disabilities (mainly VI) >>>> > about >>>> > rights and responsibilities for voting. I've been to/worked at >>>> > several >>>> > voter registration drives, and I have NEVER seen information on >>>> > voting >>>> if >>>> > you have a disability. >>>> > >>>> > On Aug 27, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Cody Bair wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> Hi All, >>>> >> As you are probably already aware, NABS conducts monthly membership >>>> calls. >>>> >> In order to get this school year started we are currently seeking >>>> >> your >>>> >> input on what topics you would like to see us cover this year. >>>> >> Please >>>> >> either reply directly to this thread with your suggestions or mail >>>> them >>>> >> directly to >>>> >> Nabs.membership at gmail.com >>>> >> Sincerely, >>>> >> The NABS membership Committee >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> nabs-l mailing list >>>> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> >> for >>>> >> nabs-l: >>>> >> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > nabs-l mailing list >>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> > nabs-l: >>>> > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.o nmicrosoft.com >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > nabs-l mailing list >>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> > nabs-l: >>>> > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Cynthia Bennett >>>> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >>>> >>>> clb5590 at gmail.com >>>> 828.989.5383 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/slabarre%40labarrelaw.co m From rloew at ETS.ORG Tue Aug 28 14:18:24 2012 From: rloew at ETS.ORG (Loew, Ruth) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 14:18:24 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] GRE Prep Message-ID: <8EA502864A9DCA49858B3C4E76F45D8A024B0B@BL2PRD0711MB409.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> Mary Fernandez said, " . . . definitely get the Braille materials from ETS. Unfortunately, they only have the one Braille GRE sample . . . In fact, we have 2 braille GRE General Test practice tests, with more in production. We send them out one at a time, but if you want more, just ask Disability Services. As always, if you have questions that ETS Disability Services (the customer service area and call center) can't resolve, feel free to contact me. Ruth Loew Assistant Director, Office of Disability Policy, ETS rloew at ets.org From trillian551 at gmail.com Tue Aug 28 14:33:54 2012 From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 10:33:54 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] GRE Prep In-Reply-To: <8EA502864A9DCA49858B3C4E76F45D8A024B0B@BL2PRD0711MB409.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> References: <8EA502864A9DCA49858B3C4E76F45D8A024B0B@BL2PRD0711MB409.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: Hi Ruth, That's good to know, and actually really helpful. When I took it I did ask if there was more than one version of the GRE in Braille, after i got my first one, and I was told that there was just the one version and that they could send it to me again, but it'd be the same thing. Mary On 8/28/12, Loew, Ruth wrote: > Mary Fernandez said, " . . . definitely get the Braille materials from ETS. > Unfortunately, they only have the one Braille GRE sample . . . > > > > In fact, we have 2 braille GRE General Test practice tests, with more in > production. We send them out one at a time, but if you want more, just ask > Disability Services. As always, if you have questions that ETS Disability > Services (the customer service area and call center) can't resolve, feel > free to contact me. > > > > Ruth Loew > > Assistant Director, Office of Disability Policy, ETS > > rloew at ets.org > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com > -- Mary Fernandez Emory 2012 "A pioneer is not someone who makes her own soap. She is one who takes up her burdens and walks toward the future." -- Laurel Thatcher Ulrich From sjhhirst at gmail.com Tue Aug 28 14:49:09 2012 From: sjhhirst at gmail.com (Stephanie DeLuca) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 09:49:09 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] ID's and Voting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7FC9E5A9-651D-476E-8531-9C577C1382F3@gmail.com> Oh wow Desiree, I had that problem too! The lady kept trying to take my picture, but I told her I couldn't open my eyes anymore. She said she couldn't give me my ID. I guess the guy running the place saw something was going on and came over and told her it was really Ok. Freakin' ridiculous…. It's nice to see I'm not the only one! On Aug 28, 2012, at 12:15 AM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi all, > I think it is fair for a blind person to need to get a state ID card > or non-driving license. Going to the DMV sucks but it sucks for > sighted people too. Having some kind of legal identification is just > part of living in this country as an adult and enables us to > participate in all the same activities as those with drivers' > licenses, including flying on airplanes and passing the age test to > buy alcohol (I don't think student ID is acceptable for either of > these things, whether you are sighted or blind). I do, however, agree > that requiring a blind person to give a signature that matches one on > file is probably unfair even if it is not intended to be > discriminatory. A blind person could get around this by signing with a > stamp, though I'm not sure how long those last. > Arielle > On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: >> Hm my main concern with the IDs is that people have to get to the DMV >> somehow. In places like Nashville, that's not exactly straightforward. I >> guess they could take a cab? It just sucks because, I think before, people >> could just use a student ID (speaking about our own age group). Now, the >> states have made it more difficult than it already was. >> >> Rhode Island has an interesting approach to this (and someone correct me if >> I'm wrong). If you don't have a state ID on you at the polling place, you >> can sign an affidavit of identity, which basically just certifies that you >> are who you say you are. I like this idea (well, except for the whole >> signature thing, which I had never thought about). >> >> http://www.ncsl.org/legislatures-elections/elections/voter-id.aspx >> >> >> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Cynthia Bennett >> wrote: >> >>> Stephanie: >>> >>> This is great informaition. Thanks for going so much in depth. >>> >>> The ID issue is the easiest. I don't know of a state that doesn't >>> offer a nondriving photo ID. This can be obtained wherever you would >>> go to get your driver's license. It looks just like and contains all >>> of the information that a driver's license contains. It is a >>> legitimate form of ID. I had no problems at the precincts in NC when I >>> showed my photo ID. >>> >>> Where ID's relate to my concern is that when you get your ID, you have >>> to sign the bottom. The DMV that I went to had an electronic pad that >>> you sign with a stylus. I typically like to place a finger down on a >>> paper to orient myself before I write my signature. But touching the >>> electronic pad made a finger print. After a few unsuccessful tries, >>> the agent gave me an index card, and they elected to process my >>> signature the old way. This was helpful, but even though I have been >>> signing my name since I was 7, I really don't have any way of knowing >>> if I have signed my name exactly the way it looks on my state ID; this >>> signature is kept on file with the state so they don't actually have >>> to look at your ID to see it. I know that the intentions of this are >>> good and in place to prevent voter fraud, but as a blind person, I >>> feel like it pretty much gives me no choice but to find 2 witnesses to >>> sign my ballot and varify my signature, and I think that is unfair >>> since a sighted person can fill out their ballot independently and >>> forego the long precinct lines since they are located far and few >>> between due to the mailed-out ballots being the primary method used >>> for voting. >>> >>> I'm sure the membership committee will look at all of this information >>> and decide if this call is a good idea, which I think we will, and we >>> will work to find appropriate people to conduct the call. Thanks so >>> much for the information. It was really great to read. >>> >>> And, I go by Cindy so that's fine. >>> >>> Cindy >>> >>> On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: >>>> This website is very informative. The following link takes you to a >>>> page >>>> where they have links to several laws relevant to people with >>> disabilities. >>>> >>>> http://www.section508.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=Laws >>>> >>>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Heh, I mean Cynthia, sorry! >>>>> >>>>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I'm excited to see that other people support the idea of getting >>>>>> involved >>>>>> but sad to admit that it's a problem. >>>>>> >>>>>> My story is this: In 2008, I went for early voting at one of the >>>>>> designated places in Nashville. When it was my turn, they designated >>>>>> a >>>>>> polling machine to me. Before I began the process, I asked about >>>>>> assisted >>>>>> voting. Maybe I should have asked about accessible polling machines? >>>>>> Anyway, he just said he'd have to help me and that was the only >>>>>> option >>>>>> I >>>>>> had. I turned him down and went through the process myself (I do >>>>>> have >>>>>> some >>>>>> vision). >>>>>> >>>>>> It seems that the voting issues fall into a few categories: >>>>>> 1) lack of knowledge of rights/responsibilities on behalf of the >>>>>> voter >>>>>> 2) lack of training and knowledge of polling staff >>>>>> 3) lack of a functioning accessible voting machine on site >>>>>> 4) difficult-to-follow tutorials/instructions for the accessible >>> machine >>>>>> >>>>>> For me, numbers 1 and 2 seem to be the biggest problems. How do we >>>>>> get >>>>>> the word out and how do we insure that the people at the polling >>>>>> places >>>>>> are >>>>>> trained and that there is a funcitoning machine available? >>>>>> >>>>>> I like the idea about having demos. Barring that, would it be >>>>>> possible >>>>>> to record a tutorial and post it online? Maybe by someone who has >>>>>> used >>>>>> it >>>>>> recently? I've heard that the tutorial provided at the polling place >>> is >>>>>> often not straightforward or easy to follow and that a blind user >>>>>> could >>>>>> do >>>>>> a better job haha >>>>>> >>>>>> I think we should at the very least inform people of their rights. I >>>>>> think finding the federal law wouldn't be too hard, but some rules >>>>>> vary >>>>>> state by state. I'm having trouble tracking down the information for >>>>>> TN, >>>>>> for example. Anyway, here is the federal law (I think). >>>>>> >>>>>> *Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act* >>>>>> >>>>>> The Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act of 1984 >>>>>> generally requires polling places across the United States to be >>>>>> physically >>>>>> accessible to people with disabilities for federal elections. Where >>>>>> no >>>>>> accessible location is available to serve as a polling place, a >>>>>> political >>>>>> subdivision must provide an alternate means of casting a ballot on >>>>>> the >>>>>> day >>>>>> of the election. This law also requires states to make available >>>>>> registration and voting aids for disabled and elderly voters, >>>>>> including >>>>>> information by TTYs (also known as TDDs) or similar devices. For more >>>>>> information, contact: >>>>>> >>>>>> U.S. Department of Justice >>>>>> Civil Rights Division >>>>>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >>>>>> Voting Section - 1800 G >>>>>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >>>>>> >>>>>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *National Voter Registration Act* >>>>>> >>>>>> The National Voter Registration Act of 1993, also known as the "Motor >>>>>> Voter Act," makes it easier for all Americans to exercise their >>>>>> fundamental >>>>>> right to vote. One of the basic purposes of the Act is to increase >>>>>> the >>>>>> historically low registration rates of minorities and persons with >>>>>> disabilities that have resulted from discrimination. The Motor Voter >>> Act >>>>>> requires all offices of State-funded programs that are primarily >>> engaged >>>>>> in >>>>>> providing services to persons with disabilities to provide all >>>>>> program >>>>>> applicants with voter registration forms, to assist them in >>>>>> completing >>>>>> the >>>>>> forms, and to transmit completed forms to the appropriate State >>>>>> official. >>>>>> For more information, contact: >>>>>> >>>>>> U.S. Department of Justice >>>>>> Civil Rights Division >>>>>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >>>>>> Voting Section - 1800 G >>>>>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >>>>>> >>>>>> www.usdoj.gov/crt/voting >>>>>> >>>>>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >>>>>> >>>>>> It seems that the NFB has a lot of lawyers. Is it possible for us to >>>>>> get >>>>>> someone trained in law to help us with this one? >>>>>> >>>>>> Here is another good resource, the Department of Justice: >>>>>> http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/drs/ >>>>>> >>>>>> One question I have is, why aren't ALL voting machines accessible? >>>>>> It >>>>>> seems like this is more of a software issue. Would it not be >>>>>> possible >>>>>> to >>>>>> write accessible software to be used on all machines? >>>>>> >>>>>> One other thing is that we should encourage people to file a >>>>>> complaint >>>>>> if >>>>>> they have these aforementioned problems this year and in the future. >>> We >>>>>> (the NFB) should provide information on that, as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> While I think this is a concern for the whole NFB on a national >>>>>> level, >>> I >>>>>> think as students, we are in a good spot to target new voters and >>>>>> college >>>>>> students who have not voted before. Maybe we could draft a brochure >>>>>> about >>>>>> rights and responsibilities and general information (maybe even for >>>>>> people >>>>>> who aren't blind but are disabled?) and make sure it gets distributed >>> at >>>>>> voter registration drives going on campus. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cindy also makes a good point about getting to the voting place. >>>>>> Also, >>>>>> this will become even more difficult in many states that require >>>>>> valid >>>>>> state IDs (like TN, AL, AR, etc.). How should we deal with this? >>>>>> >>>>>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>>>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Cynthia Bennett >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Stephanie: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That is a great idea. I had a similar experience as Josh as I voted >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> my first election. They were the 2008 primaries, and I was very >>>>>>> excited. When the machine did not work, I asked a poll worker to >>>>>>> assist me. They filled in the ballot as I wished, but the worker did >>>>>>> make some comments about their preference on a politician. This >>>>>>> occured when I said that I did not want to vote for a particular >>>>>>> office, because I was unfamiliar with any of the candidates. I said >>>>>>> something like, "I don't want to fill in anything for this," and the >>>>>>> worker responded with "Oh, I heard that ___ is pretty good. Do you >>>>>>> want me to fill in his/her name?" I chose to still not vote for that >>>>>>> particular office. This practice is illegal, and I chose not to say >>>>>>> anything about it. But I do think that an informational call about >>>>>>> rights and accessible voting machines would be awesome. >>>>>>> Unfortunately, >>>>>>> each state is a little different, but information about federal >>>>>>> mandates on the presence of accessible voting machines/rights and >>>>>>> some >>>>>>> typical patterns in accessible voting in states would be great. For >>>>>>> example, Washington conducts mail ballots. There are a few precincts >>>>>>> around town, but if you work in a neighborhood in which it takes a >>>>>>> while to get to a precinct, you are at a disadvantage as a blind >>>>>>> person. So, you can either take off work and use public >>>>>>> transportation >>>>>>> to navigate to one of the few and very busy precincts and wait in a >>>>>>> 3-hour line, or you can find a reader and disclose your voting >>>>>>> preferences. The other animal in this issue is that if you choose to >>>>>>> get a reader to fill out your signature does not match the signature >>>>>>> on your state ID which is kept on file, then your ballot can be >>>>>>> deemed >>>>>>> as false and not counted. As a blind person, I do the best I can >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> my signature, but I do think that even the most ambitious blind >>>>>>> people >>>>>>> are at a disadvantage when having to match a signature, and our >>>>>>> ballots could not be counted, and we may not hear about it, or we >>>>>>> would learn of it after elections are closed. If we are afraid that >>>>>>> our signature may not match that of our state ID, then we can have 2 >>>>>>> witnesses sign. But that is 2 more people that have to see my >>>>>>> ballot. >>>>>>> I do not think that this practice is common within the states, and I >>>>>>> would definitely not like my experience to dominate the nature of >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> call, but I wanted to relay it to show that I think this is a very >>>>>>> good idea. I would personally like some professional/legal >>>>>>> advice/legal suggestions on how this can be changed. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So, if you have any suggestions on people to conduct this call, or >>>>>>> resources for where this information can be found, please share it. >>>>>>> If >>>>>>> not, the membership committee will certainly take the initiative to >>>>>>> conduct an informative call if we do in fact decide to pursue this >>>>>>> topic. But I wanted to make sure that since you made the suggestion, >>>>>>> you are welcome to provide suggestions on people to conduct the >>>>>>> call. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I know that someone comes to each NC state convention with an >>>>>>> accessible voting machine to show in the exhibit hall. During this >>>>>>> time, people can vote in a fake election and orient themselves to >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> machine. I am not sure if NC is still doing this since it has been a >>>>>>> few years since the accessible machines were introduced, but I think >>>>>>> there is still a need for outreach about accessible voting. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Keep the good membership call suggestions coming! >>>>>>> Cindy >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 8/27/12, Joshua Lester >>> wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi, Stephanie! >>>>>>>> That's a great idea! >>>>>>>> I went to my voting site, earlier this year, and the machine >>>>>>>> didn't >>>>>>> work. >>>>>>>> My Disability Rights person that works for the governor, here said >>>>>>> he'd come >>>>>>>> down, to show them how to work it, but he never showed up! >>>>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>>>> ________________________________________ >>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on >>> behalf >>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> Stephanie DeLuca [sjhhirst at gmail.com] >>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 2:53 PM >>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS Membership Call Survey >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think a discussion on voting as people with disabilities would >>>>>>>> be >>>>>>> good. >>>>>>>> Since a lot of people are on college campuses, it'd be a good >>>>>>> opportunity to >>>>>>>> get involved with informing people with disabilities (mainly VI) >>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>> rights and responsibilities for voting. I've been to/worked at >>>>>>>> several >>>>>>>> voter registration drives, and I have NEVER seen information on >>>>>>>> voting >>>>>>> if >>>>>>>> you have a disability. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Aug 27, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Cody Bair >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi All, >>>>>>>>> As you are probably already aware, NABS conducts monthly >>>>>>>>> membership >>>>>>> calls. >>>>>>>>> In order to get this school year started we are currently seeking >>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>> input on what topics you would like to see us cover this year. >>>>>>>>> Please >>>>>>>>> either reply directly to this thread with your suggestions or >>>>>>>>> mail >>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>> directly to >>>>>>>>> Nabs.membership at gmail.com >>>>>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>>>>> The NABS membership Committee >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Cynthia Bennett >>>>>>> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >>>>>>> >>>>>>> clb5590 at gmail.com >>>>>>> 828.989.5383 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Cynthia Bennett >>> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >>> >>> clb5590 at gmail.com >>> 828.989.5383 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com From laurel.stockard at gmail.com Tue Aug 28 15:28:44 2012 From: laurel.stockard at gmail.com (Laurel and Stockard) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 10:28:44 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Taking a Course in Chinese In-Reply-To: <396D7E68-78F6-4F7F-8CAC-9DDFE3FF2933@gmail.com> References: <002301cd84d8$52893ae0$f79bb0a0$@gmail.com> <396D7E68-78F6-4F7F-8CAC-9DDFE3FF2933@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6013705F-3AB6-414D-BD88-CC6FB39F96E2@gmail.com> Hi all, Hanna, you know me from the NAGDU listso I will not introduce myself again. If you are using jaws, there is a realspeak solo voice that does Mandarin Chinese, and one that does Cantanese Chinese too. It is free. For the rest of you, I have noticed lots of language class related questions lately. I happen to be a foreign language major, and have alot of experience making various languages accessible. I won t go into too many details here, because I do not wanna clutter up the list with info that most people do not need. But, if any of you all would like to contact me privately, feel free. My email is laurel.stockard at gmail.com. There is a good chance I can help you with whatever language you are learning. Lavanya, I am sorry I cannot spell your name, I do not remember how, if you email me, I can show you how to write any of the languag3es you are learning. Anyway, I have tuns of resources, so if I can help anybody, let me know. Laurel and Stockard Sent from my iPad On Aug 28, 2012, at 8:28 AM, Lavonya Gardner wrote: > I have never tried to write any of the 13 languages I am teaching myself. How the heck does that work? > > Sent from my iPad > > On Aug 28, 2012, at 0:48, "Hannah Chadwick" wrote: > >> Hello everyone, >> I've been on the list for quite a while now, but haven't introduced myself >> to those of you who joined in the last year or so. my name is Hannah >> Chadwick, and I'm attending UC Davis this fall. I'm planning on double >> majoring in international relations and linguistics with a minor in >> journalism. I love learning new languages, and will be taking a Chinese >> class. I took Spanish for 2 years in high school and I was able to use my >> BrailleNote for that, but I'm not sure that doing my Chinese work on the >> Apex will be the best idea since the alphabet will be completely different. >> Has anyone taken a Chinese course before? If so, what did you do in terms of >> writing the Chinese alphabet? Are there software out to that would read the >> language? >> Best, Hannah >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stockard%40gmail.com From ann at acunningham.com Tue Aug 28 16:02:48 2012 From: ann at acunningham.com (ann at acunningham.com) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 09:02:48 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Taking a Course in Chinese Message-ID: <20120828090248.a862cb650d6697432268d60a163e698f.9fb46e5c04.wbe@email18.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com Tue Aug 28 16:15:36 2012 From: brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com (Brandon Keith Biggs) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 09:15:36 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Voting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello, I am needing to register, how do I request the Braille ballot? Thank you, Brandon Keith Biggs -----Original Message----- From: Arielle Silverman Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 9:08 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Voting When I voted for the first time in 2004 (before Help America Vote Act, HAVA, went into effect) I was living in Arizona and I used a mail-in Braille ballot. I was able to complete the entire process independently and I marked my answers on the ballot by circling them with a pen. I may have had to sign something but my signature was never matched against anything and as far as I know, my vote was counted properly (though my vote never really counts in AZ, but I digress). Do any other states offer accessible Braille ballots? I think it's an awesome idea and was surprised that Colorado apparently does not have them. When I voted again in 2006, I went to the poll excited about using an accessible voting machine, but the machine was nonfunctional. My mother and I had gone to the poll together and I was comfortable having her fill out my ballot, so I did that to ensure my vote went through. In that year the voting machines were brand-new and I reported the problem to an NFB committee that was collecting reports about the successful implementation of the HAVA regulations. I have used the voting machines in CO with no major issues. I am shocked and exasperated that people are still having problems getting the talking machines to work even four years after HAVA went into effect. It is also disturbing that a poll worker would suggest who to vote for when filling out a ballot as a reader and it makes me worry that some poll workers might be altering the votes of the people they assist. It might be good for someone in NABS leadership or on the membership committee to contact someone at national to find out what is currently happening with accessible voting and what the major issues are. I agree an informational call about how to use the voting machines, and what our rights are as blind voters, might be helpful for NABS members, although this of course is not just a student issue. Nevertheless, young folks voting for the first time could uniquely benefit from this info. Arielle On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: > This website is very informative. The following link takes you to a page > where they have links to several laws relevant to people with > disabilities. > > http://www.section508.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=Laws > > In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. > ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 > > > On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca > wrote: > >> Heh, I mean Cynthia, sorry! >> >> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca >> wrote: >> >>> I'm excited to see that other people support the idea of getting >>> involved >>> but sad to admit that it's a problem. >>> >>> My story is this: In 2008, I went for early voting at one of the >>> designated places in Nashville. When it was my turn, they designated a >>> polling machine to me. Before I began the process, I asked about >>> assisted >>> voting. Maybe I should have asked about accessible polling machines? >>> Anyway, he just said he'd have to help me and that was the only option >>> I >>> had. I turned him down and went through the process myself (I do have >>> some >>> vision). >>> >>> It seems that the voting issues fall into a few categories: >>> 1) lack of knowledge of rights/responsibilities on behalf of the voter >>> 2) lack of training and knowledge of polling staff >>> 3) lack of a functioning accessible voting machine on site >>> 4) difficult-to-follow tutorials/instructions for the accessible machine >>> >>> For me, numbers 1 and 2 seem to be the biggest problems. How do we get >>> the word out and how do we insure that the people at the polling places >>> are >>> trained and that there is a funcitoning machine available? >>> >>> I like the idea about having demos. Barring that, would it be possible >>> to record a tutorial and post it online? Maybe by someone who has used >>> it >>> recently? I've heard that the tutorial provided at the polling place is >>> often not straightforward or easy to follow and that a blind user could >>> do >>> a better job haha >>> >>> I think we should at the very least inform people of their rights. I >>> think finding the federal law wouldn't be too hard, but some rules vary >>> state by state. I'm having trouble tracking down the information for >>> TN, >>> for example. Anyway, here is the federal law (I think). >>> >>> *Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act* >>> >>> The Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act of 1984 >>> generally requires polling places across the United States to be >>> physically >>> accessible to people with disabilities for federal elections. Where no >>> accessible location is available to serve as a polling place, a >>> political >>> subdivision must provide an alternate means of casting a ballot on the >>> day >>> of the election. This law also requires states to make available >>> registration and voting aids for disabled and elderly voters, including >>> information by TTYs (also known as TDDs) or similar devices. For more >>> information, contact: >>> >>> U.S. Department of Justice >>> Civil Rights Division >>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >>> Voting Section - 1800 G >>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >>> >>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >>> >>> >>> >>> *National Voter Registration Act* >>> >>> The National Voter Registration Act of 1993, also known as the "Motor >>> Voter Act," makes it easier for all Americans to exercise their >>> fundamental >>> right to vote. One of the basic purposes of the Act is to increase the >>> historically low registration rates of minorities and persons with >>> disabilities that have resulted from discrimination. The Motor Voter Act >>> requires all offices of State-funded programs that are primarily engaged >>> in >>> providing services to persons with disabilities to provide all program >>> applicants with voter registration forms, to assist them in completing >>> the >>> forms, and to transmit completed forms to the appropriate State >>> official. >>> For more information, contact: >>> >>> U.S. Department of Justice >>> Civil Rights Division >>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >>> Voting Section - 1800 G >>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >>> >>> www.usdoj.gov/crt/voting >>> >>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >>> >>> It seems that the NFB has a lot of lawyers. Is it possible for us to >>> get >>> someone trained in law to help us with this one? >>> >>> Here is another good resource, the Department of Justice: >>> http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/drs/ >>> >>> One question I have is, why aren't ALL voting machines accessible? It >>> seems like this is more of a software issue. Would it not be possible >>> to >>> write accessible software to be used on all machines? >>> >>> One other thing is that we should encourage people to file a complaint >>> if >>> they have these aforementioned problems this year and in the future. We >>> (the NFB) should provide information on that, as well. >>> >>> While I think this is a concern for the whole NFB on a national level, I >>> think as students, we are in a good spot to target new voters and >>> college >>> students who have not voted before. Maybe we could draft a brochure >>> about >>> rights and responsibilities and general information (maybe even for >>> people >>> who aren't blind but are disabled?) and make sure it gets distributed at >>> voter registration drives going on campus. >>> >>> Cindy also makes a good point about getting to the voting place. Also, >>> this will become even more difficult in many states that require valid >>> state IDs (like TN, AL, AR, etc.). How should we deal with this? >>> >>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Cynthia Bennett >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Stephanie: >>>> >>>> That is a great idea. I had a similar experience as Josh as I voted in >>>> my first election. They were the 2008 primaries, and I was very >>>> excited. When the machine did not work, I asked a poll worker to >>>> assist me. They filled in the ballot as I wished, but the worker did >>>> make some comments about their preference on a politician. This >>>> occured when I said that I did not want to vote for a particular >>>> office, because I was unfamiliar with any of the candidates. I said >>>> something like, "I don't want to fill in anything for this," and the >>>> worker responded with "Oh, I heard that ___ is pretty good. Do you >>>> want me to fill in his/her name?" I chose to still not vote for that >>>> particular office. This practice is illegal, and I chose not to say >>>> anything about it. But I do think that an informational call about >>>> rights and accessible voting machines would be awesome. Unfortunately, >>>> each state is a little different, but information about federal >>>> mandates on the presence of accessible voting machines/rights and some >>>> typical patterns in accessible voting in states would be great. For >>>> example, Washington conducts mail ballots. There are a few precincts >>>> around town, but if you work in a neighborhood in which it takes a >>>> while to get to a precinct, you are at a disadvantage as a blind >>>> person. So, you can either take off work and use public transportation >>>> to navigate to one of the few and very busy precincts and wait in a >>>> 3-hour line, or you can find a reader and disclose your voting >>>> preferences. The other animal in this issue is that if you choose to >>>> get a reader to fill out your signature does not match the signature >>>> on your state ID which is kept on file, then your ballot can be deemed >>>> as false and not counted. As a blind person, I do the best I can with >>>> my signature, but I do think that even the most ambitious blind people >>>> are at a disadvantage when having to match a signature, and our >>>> ballots could not be counted, and we may not hear about it, or we >>>> would learn of it after elections are closed. If we are afraid that >>>> our signature may not match that of our state ID, then we can have 2 >>>> witnesses sign. But that is 2 more people that have to see my ballot. >>>> I do not think that this practice is common within the states, and I >>>> would definitely not like my experience to dominate the nature of the >>>> call, but I wanted to relay it to show that I think this is a very >>>> good idea. I would personally like some professional/legal >>>> advice/legal suggestions on how this can be changed. >>>> >>>> So, if you have any suggestions on people to conduct this call, or >>>> resources for where this information can be found, please share it. If >>>> not, the membership committee will certainly take the initiative to >>>> conduct an informative call if we do in fact decide to pursue this >>>> topic. But I wanted to make sure that since you made the suggestion, >>>> you are welcome to provide suggestions on people to conduct the call. >>>> >>>> I know that someone comes to each NC state convention with an >>>> accessible voting machine to show in the exhibit hall. During this >>>> time, people can vote in a fake election and orient themselves to the >>>> machine. I am not sure if NC is still doing this since it has been a >>>> few years since the accessible machines were introduced, but I think >>>> there is still a need for outreach about accessible voting. >>>> >>>> Keep the good membership call suggestions coming! >>>> Cindy >>>> >>>> On 8/27/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>> > Hi, Stephanie! >>>> > That's a great idea! >>>> > I went to my voting site, earlier this year, and the machine didn't >>>> work. >>>> > My Disability Rights person that works for the governor, here said >>>> he'd come >>>> > down, to show them how to work it, but he never showed up! >>>> > Thanks, Joshua >>>> > ________________________________________ >>>> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf >>>> of >>>> > Stephanie DeLuca [sjhhirst at gmail.com] >>>> > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 2:53 PM >>>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS Membership Call Survey >>>> > >>>> > I think a discussion on voting as people with disabilities would be >>>> good. >>>> > Since a lot of people are on college campuses, it'd be a good >>>> opportunity to >>>> > get involved with informing people with disabilities (mainly VI) >>>> > about >>>> > rights and responsibilities for voting. I've been to/worked at >>>> > several >>>> > voter registration drives, and I have NEVER seen information on >>>> > voting >>>> if >>>> > you have a disability. >>>> > >>>> > On Aug 27, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Cody Bair wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> Hi All, >>>> >> As you are probably already aware, NABS conducts monthly membership >>>> calls. >>>> >> In order to get this school year started we are currently seeking >>>> >> your >>>> >> input on what topics you would like to see us cover this year. >>>> >> Please >>>> >> either reply directly to this thread with your suggestions or mail >>>> them >>>> >> directly to >>>> >> Nabs.membership at gmail.com >>>> >> Sincerely, >>>> >> The NABS membership Committee >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> nabs-l mailing list >>>> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> >> for >>>> >> nabs-l: >>>> >> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > nabs-l mailing list >>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> > nabs-l: >>>> > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > nabs-l mailing list >>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> > nabs-l: >>>> > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Cynthia Bennett >>>> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >>>> >>>> clb5590 at gmail.com >>>> 828.989.5383 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com From brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com Tue Aug 28 16:30:06 2012 From: brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com (Brandon Keith Biggs) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 09:30:06 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] ID's and Voting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5BEC910D48D54828ACFF96B7C2CE3D09@BrandonsLaptop2> Hello, The way I write my signature is Place my finger on the line, place my pen next to my finger, lift my finger, ask someone if the pen is in the right place and agust to what they say, then if I can I place my finger back on the paper and then I write my signature strait from my finger. I have a signature that doesn't need me to lift my pen from the paper, so that is really good. I also just use my first name as my signature only. (I'm not sure if people know this, but your signature doesn't need to be your name, it can be a star or a picture of some kind). I've been told that my signature is super hard to copy and it is still readable. I use a mixture of cursive and the typical letters. I sat down with my living skills instructor one day and we experimented with signatures and found the thing that would be the fastest, most readable and the best reproducible, so that is what I now use. Also, I only write capitals, because they are the easiest to write for me. Thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs -----Original Message----- From: Arielle Silverman Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 10:15 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] ID's and Voting Hi all, I think it is fair for a blind person to need to get a state ID card or non-driving license. Going to the DMV sucks but it sucks for sighted people too. Having some kind of legal identification is just part of living in this country as an adult and enables us to participate in all the same activities as those with drivers' licenses, including flying on airplanes and passing the age test to buy alcohol (I don't think student ID is acceptable for either of these things, whether you are sighted or blind). I do, however, agree that requiring a blind person to give a signature that matches one on file is probably unfair even if it is not intended to be discriminatory. A blind person could get around this by signing with a stamp, though I'm not sure how long those last. Arielle On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: > Hm my main concern with the IDs is that people have to get to the DMV > somehow. In places like Nashville, that's not exactly straightforward. I > guess they could take a cab? It just sucks because, I think before, > people > could just use a student ID (speaking about our own age group). Now, the > states have made it more difficult than it already was. > > Rhode Island has an interesting approach to this (and someone correct me > if > I'm wrong). If you don't have a state ID on you at the polling place, you > can sign an affidavit of identity, which basically just certifies that you > are who you say you are. I like this idea (well, except for the whole > signature thing, which I had never thought about). > > http://www.ncsl.org/legislatures-elections/elections/voter-id.aspx > > > In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. > ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 > > > On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Cynthia Bennett > wrote: > >> Stephanie: >> >> This is great informaition. Thanks for going so much in depth. >> >> The ID issue is the easiest. I don't know of a state that doesn't >> offer a nondriving photo ID. This can be obtained wherever you would >> go to get your driver's license. It looks just like and contains all >> of the information that a driver's license contains. It is a >> legitimate form of ID. I had no problems at the precincts in NC when I >> showed my photo ID. >> >> Where ID's relate to my concern is that when you get your ID, you have >> to sign the bottom. The DMV that I went to had an electronic pad that >> you sign with a stylus. I typically like to place a finger down on a >> paper to orient myself before I write my signature. But touching the >> electronic pad made a finger print. After a few unsuccessful tries, >> the agent gave me an index card, and they elected to process my >> signature the old way. This was helpful, but even though I have been >> signing my name since I was 7, I really don't have any way of knowing >> if I have signed my name exactly the way it looks on my state ID; this >> signature is kept on file with the state so they don't actually have >> to look at your ID to see it. I know that the intentions of this are >> good and in place to prevent voter fraud, but as a blind person, I >> feel like it pretty much gives me no choice but to find 2 witnesses to >> sign my ballot and varify my signature, and I think that is unfair >> since a sighted person can fill out their ballot independently and >> forego the long precinct lines since they are located far and few >> between due to the mailed-out ballots being the primary method used >> for voting. >> >> I'm sure the membership committee will look at all of this information >> and decide if this call is a good idea, which I think we will, and we >> will work to find appropriate people to conduct the call. Thanks so >> much for the information. It was really great to read. >> >> And, I go by Cindy so that's fine. >> >> Cindy >> >> On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: >> > This website is very informative. The following link takes you to a >> > page >> > where they have links to several laws relevant to people with >> disabilities. >> > >> > http://www.section508.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=Laws >> > >> > In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >> > ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca >> > wrote: >> > >> >> Heh, I mean Cynthia, sorry! >> >> >> >> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >> >> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> I'm excited to see that other people support the idea of getting >> >>> involved >> >>> but sad to admit that it's a problem. >> >>> >> >>> My story is this: In 2008, I went for early voting at one of the >> >>> designated places in Nashville. When it was my turn, they designated >> >>> a >> >>> polling machine to me. Before I began the process, I asked about >> >>> assisted >> >>> voting. Maybe I should have asked about accessible polling machines? >> >>> Anyway, he just said he'd have to help me and that was the only >> >>> option >> >>> I >> >>> had. I turned him down and went through the process myself (I do >> >>> have >> >>> some >> >>> vision). >> >>> >> >>> It seems that the voting issues fall into a few categories: >> >>> 1) lack of knowledge of rights/responsibilities on behalf of the >> >>> voter >> >>> 2) lack of training and knowledge of polling staff >> >>> 3) lack of a functioning accessible voting machine on site >> >>> 4) difficult-to-follow tutorials/instructions for the accessible >> machine >> >>> >> >>> For me, numbers 1 and 2 seem to be the biggest problems. How do we >> >>> get >> >>> the word out and how do we insure that the people at the polling >> >>> places >> >>> are >> >>> trained and that there is a funcitoning machine available? >> >>> >> >>> I like the idea about having demos. Barring that, would it be >> >>> possible >> >>> to record a tutorial and post it online? Maybe by someone who has >> >>> used >> >>> it >> >>> recently? I've heard that the tutorial provided at the polling place >> is >> >>> often not straightforward or easy to follow and that a blind user >> >>> could >> >>> do >> >>> a better job haha >> >>> >> >>> I think we should at the very least inform people of their rights. I >> >>> think finding the federal law wouldn't be too hard, but some rules >> >>> vary >> >>> state by state. I'm having trouble tracking down the information for >> >>> TN, >> >>> for example. Anyway, here is the federal law (I think). >> >>> >> >>> *Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act* >> >>> >> >>> The Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act of 1984 >> >>> generally requires polling places across the United States to be >> >>> physically >> >>> accessible to people with disabilities for federal elections. Where >> >>> no >> >>> accessible location is available to serve as a polling place, a >> >>> political >> >>> subdivision must provide an alternate means of casting a ballot on >> >>> the >> >>> day >> >>> of the election. This law also requires states to make available >> >>> registration and voting aids for disabled and elderly voters, >> >>> including >> >>> information by TTYs (also known as TDDs) or similar devices. For more >> >>> information, contact: >> >>> >> >>> U.S. Department of Justice >> >>> Civil Rights Division >> >>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >> >>> Voting Section - 1800 G >> >>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >> >>> >> >>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> *National Voter Registration Act* >> >>> >> >>> The National Voter Registration Act of 1993, also known as the "Motor >> >>> Voter Act," makes it easier for all Americans to exercise their >> >>> fundamental >> >>> right to vote. One of the basic purposes of the Act is to increase >> >>> the >> >>> historically low registration rates of minorities and persons with >> >>> disabilities that have resulted from discrimination. The Motor Voter >> Act >> >>> requires all offices of State-funded programs that are primarily >> engaged >> >>> in >> >>> providing services to persons with disabilities to provide all >> >>> program >> >>> applicants with voter registration forms, to assist them in >> >>> completing >> >>> the >> >>> forms, and to transmit completed forms to the appropriate State >> >>> official. >> >>> For more information, contact: >> >>> >> >>> U.S. Department of Justice >> >>> Civil Rights Division >> >>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >> >>> Voting Section - 1800 G >> >>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >> >>> >> >>> www.usdoj.gov/crt/voting >> >>> >> >>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >> >>> >> >>> It seems that the NFB has a lot of lawyers. Is it possible for us to >> >>> get >> >>> someone trained in law to help us with this one? >> >>> >> >>> Here is another good resource, the Department of Justice: >> >>> http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/drs/ >> >>> >> >>> One question I have is, why aren't ALL voting machines accessible? >> >>> It >> >>> seems like this is more of a software issue. Would it not be >> >>> possible >> >>> to >> >>> write accessible software to be used on all machines? >> >>> >> >>> One other thing is that we should encourage people to file a >> >>> complaint >> >>> if >> >>> they have these aforementioned problems this year and in the future. >> We >> >>> (the NFB) should provide information on that, as well. >> >>> >> >>> While I think this is a concern for the whole NFB on a national >> >>> level, >> I >> >>> think as students, we are in a good spot to target new voters and >> >>> college >> >>> students who have not voted before. Maybe we could draft a brochure >> >>> about >> >>> rights and responsibilities and general information (maybe even for >> >>> people >> >>> who aren't blind but are disabled?) and make sure it gets distributed >> at >> >>> voter registration drives going on campus. >> >>> >> >>> Cindy also makes a good point about getting to the voting place. >> >>> Also, >> >>> this will become even more difficult in many states that require >> >>> valid >> >>> state IDs (like TN, AL, AR, etc.). How should we deal with this? >> >>> >> >>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >> >>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Cynthia Bennett >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> Stephanie: >> >>>> >> >>>> That is a great idea. I had a similar experience as Josh as I voted >> >>>> in >> >>>> my first election. They were the 2008 primaries, and I was very >> >>>> excited. When the machine did not work, I asked a poll worker to >> >>>> assist me. They filled in the ballot as I wished, but the worker did >> >>>> make some comments about their preference on a politician. This >> >>>> occured when I said that I did not want to vote for a particular >> >>>> office, because I was unfamiliar with any of the candidates. I said >> >>>> something like, "I don't want to fill in anything for this," and the >> >>>> worker responded with "Oh, I heard that ___ is pretty good. Do you >> >>>> want me to fill in his/her name?" I chose to still not vote for that >> >>>> particular office. This practice is illegal, and I chose not to say >> >>>> anything about it. But I do think that an informational call about >> >>>> rights and accessible voting machines would be awesome. >> >>>> Unfortunately, >> >>>> each state is a little different, but information about federal >> >>>> mandates on the presence of accessible voting machines/rights and >> >>>> some >> >>>> typical patterns in accessible voting in states would be great. For >> >>>> example, Washington conducts mail ballots. There are a few precincts >> >>>> around town, but if you work in a neighborhood in which it takes a >> >>>> while to get to a precinct, you are at a disadvantage as a blind >> >>>> person. So, you can either take off work and use public >> >>>> transportation >> >>>> to navigate to one of the few and very busy precincts and wait in a >> >>>> 3-hour line, or you can find a reader and disclose your voting >> >>>> preferences. The other animal in this issue is that if you choose to >> >>>> get a reader to fill out your signature does not match the signature >> >>>> on your state ID which is kept on file, then your ballot can be >> >>>> deemed >> >>>> as false and not counted. As a blind person, I do the best I can >> >>>> with >> >>>> my signature, but I do think that even the most ambitious blind >> >>>> people >> >>>> are at a disadvantage when having to match a signature, and our >> >>>> ballots could not be counted, and we may not hear about it, or we >> >>>> would learn of it after elections are closed. If we are afraid that >> >>>> our signature may not match that of our state ID, then we can have 2 >> >>>> witnesses sign. But that is 2 more people that have to see my >> >>>> ballot. >> >>>> I do not think that this practice is common within the states, and I >> >>>> would definitely not like my experience to dominate the nature of >> >>>> the >> >>>> call, but I wanted to relay it to show that I think this is a very >> >>>> good idea. I would personally like some professional/legal >> >>>> advice/legal suggestions on how this can be changed. >> >>>> >> >>>> So, if you have any suggestions on people to conduct this call, or >> >>>> resources for where this information can be found, please share it. >> >>>> If >> >>>> not, the membership committee will certainly take the initiative to >> >>>> conduct an informative call if we do in fact decide to pursue this >> >>>> topic. But I wanted to make sure that since you made the suggestion, >> >>>> you are welcome to provide suggestions on people to conduct the >> >>>> call. >> >>>> >> >>>> I know that someone comes to each NC state convention with an >> >>>> accessible voting machine to show in the exhibit hall. During this >> >>>> time, people can vote in a fake election and orient themselves to >> >>>> the >> >>>> machine. I am not sure if NC is still doing this since it has been a >> >>>> few years since the accessible machines were introduced, but I think >> >>>> there is still a need for outreach about accessible voting. >> >>>> >> >>>> Keep the good membership call suggestions coming! >> >>>> Cindy >> >>>> >> >>>> On 8/27/12, Joshua Lester >> wrote: >> >>>> > Hi, Stephanie! >> >>>> > That's a great idea! >> >>>> > I went to my voting site, earlier this year, and the machine >> >>>> > didn't >> >>>> work. >> >>>> > My Disability Rights person that works for the governor, here said >> >>>> he'd come >> >>>> > down, to show them how to work it, but he never showed up! >> >>>> > Thanks, Joshua >> >>>> > ________________________________________ >> >>>> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on >> behalf >> >>>> of >> >>>> > Stephanie DeLuca [sjhhirst at gmail.com] >> >>>> > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 2:53 PM >> >>>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >>>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS Membership Call Survey >> >>>> > >> >>>> > I think a discussion on voting as people with disabilities would >> >>>> > be >> >>>> good. >> >>>> > Since a lot of people are on college campuses, it'd be a good >> >>>> opportunity to >> >>>> > get involved with informing people with disabilities (mainly VI) >> >>>> > about >> >>>> > rights and responsibilities for voting. I've been to/worked at >> >>>> > several >> >>>> > voter registration drives, and I have NEVER seen information on >> >>>> > voting >> >>>> if >> >>>> > you have a disability. >> >>>> > >> >>>> > On Aug 27, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Cody Bair >> >>>> > wrote: >> >>>> > >> >>>> >> Hi All, >> >>>> >> As you are probably already aware, NABS conducts monthly >> >>>> >> membership >> >>>> calls. >> >>>> >> In order to get this school year started we are currently seeking >> >>>> >> your >> >>>> >> input on what topics you would like to see us cover this year. >> >>>> >> Please >> >>>> >> either reply directly to this thread with your suggestions or >> >>>> >> mail >> >>>> them >> >>>> >> directly to >> >>>> >> Nabs.membership at gmail.com >> >>>> >> Sincerely, >> >>>> >> The NABS membership Committee >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> >> nabs-l mailing list >> >>>> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>>> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> >>>> >> for >> >>>> >> nabs-l: >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > _______________________________________________ >> >>>> > nabs-l mailing list >> >>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> >>>> > nabs-l: >> >>>> > >> >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > _______________________________________________ >> >>>> > nabs-l mailing list >> >>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> >>>> > nabs-l: >> >>>> > >> >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >> >>>> > >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> Cynthia Bennett >> >>>> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >> >>>> >> >>>> clb5590 at gmail.com >> >>>> 828.989.5383 >> >>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> nabs-l mailing list >> >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> >>>> for >> >>>> nabs-l: >> >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >> > >> >> >> -- >> Cynthia Bennett >> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >> >> clb5590 at gmail.com >> 828.989.5383 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Tue Aug 28 16:59:34 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 10:59:34 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] ID's and Voting In-Reply-To: <5BEC910D48D54828ACFF96B7C2CE3D09@BrandonsLaptop2> References: <5BEC910D48D54828ACFF96B7C2CE3D09@BrandonsLaptop2> Message-ID: Why does it matter if your eyes are open for an ID photo, or if you are wearing sunglasses? Is it a legal issue or are some DMV workers just obsessed with getting an attractive picture? Arielle On 8/28/12, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: > Hello, > The way I write my signature is Place my finger on the line, place my pen > next to my finger, lift my finger, ask someone if the pen is in the right > place and agust to what they say, then if I can I place my finger back on > the paper and then I write my signature strait from my finger. I have a > signature that doesn't need me to lift my pen from the paper, so that is > really good. I also just use my first name as my signature only. (I'm not > sure if people know this, but your signature doesn't need to be your name, > it can be a star or a picture of some kind). I've been told that my > signature is super hard to copy and it is still readable. I use a mixture of > > cursive and the typical letters. I sat down with my living skills instructor > > one day and we experimented with signatures and found the thing that would > be the fastest, most readable and the best reproducible, so that is what I > now use. Also, I only write capitals, because they are the easiest to write > > for me. > Thanks, > > Brandon Keith Biggs > -----Original Message----- > From: Arielle Silverman > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 10:15 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] ID's and Voting > > Hi all, > I think it is fair for a blind person to need to get a state ID card > or non-driving license. Going to the DMV sucks but it sucks for > sighted people too. Having some kind of legal identification is just > part of living in this country as an adult and enables us to > participate in all the same activities as those with drivers' > licenses, including flying on airplanes and passing the age test to > buy alcohol (I don't think student ID is acceptable for either of > these things, whether you are sighted or blind). I do, however, agree > that requiring a blind person to give a signature that matches one on > file is probably unfair even if it is not intended to be > discriminatory. A blind person could get around this by signing with a > stamp, though I'm not sure how long those last. > Arielle > On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: >> Hm my main concern with the IDs is that people have to get to the DMV >> somehow. In places like Nashville, that's not exactly straightforward. >> I >> guess they could take a cab? It just sucks because, I think before, >> people >> could just use a student ID (speaking about our own age group). Now, the >> states have made it more difficult than it already was. >> >> Rhode Island has an interesting approach to this (and someone correct me >> if >> I'm wrong). If you don't have a state ID on you at the polling place, >> you >> can sign an affidavit of identity, which basically just certifies that >> you >> are who you say you are. I like this idea (well, except for the whole >> signature thing, which I had never thought about). >> >> http://www.ncsl.org/legislatures-elections/elections/voter-id.aspx >> >> >> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Cynthia Bennett >> wrote: >> >>> Stephanie: >>> >>> This is great informaition. Thanks for going so much in depth. >>> >>> The ID issue is the easiest. I don't know of a state that doesn't >>> offer a nondriving photo ID. This can be obtained wherever you would >>> go to get your driver's license. It looks just like and contains all >>> of the information that a driver's license contains. It is a >>> legitimate form of ID. I had no problems at the precincts in NC when I >>> showed my photo ID. >>> >>> Where ID's relate to my concern is that when you get your ID, you have >>> to sign the bottom. The DMV that I went to had an electronic pad that >>> you sign with a stylus. I typically like to place a finger down on a >>> paper to orient myself before I write my signature. But touching the >>> electronic pad made a finger print. After a few unsuccessful tries, >>> the agent gave me an index card, and they elected to process my >>> signature the old way. This was helpful, but even though I have been >>> signing my name since I was 7, I really don't have any way of knowing >>> if I have signed my name exactly the way it looks on my state ID; this >>> signature is kept on file with the state so they don't actually have >>> to look at your ID to see it. I know that the intentions of this are >>> good and in place to prevent voter fraud, but as a blind person, I >>> feel like it pretty much gives me no choice but to find 2 witnesses to >>> sign my ballot and varify my signature, and I think that is unfair >>> since a sighted person can fill out their ballot independently and >>> forego the long precinct lines since they are located far and few >>> between due to the mailed-out ballots being the primary method used >>> for voting. >>> >>> I'm sure the membership committee will look at all of this information >>> and decide if this call is a good idea, which I think we will, and we >>> will work to find appropriate people to conduct the call. Thanks so >>> much for the information. It was really great to read. >>> >>> And, I go by Cindy so that's fine. >>> >>> Cindy >>> >>> On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: >>> > This website is very informative. The following link takes you to a >>> > page >>> > where they have links to several laws relevant to people with >>> disabilities. >>> > >>> > http://www.section508.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=Laws >>> > >>> > In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>> > ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>> > >>> > >>> > On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca >>> > wrote: >>> > >>> >> Heh, I mean Cynthia, sorry! >>> >> >>> >> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>> >> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca >>> >> wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> I'm excited to see that other people support the idea of getting >>> >>> involved >>> >>> but sad to admit that it's a problem. >>> >>> >>> >>> My story is this: In 2008, I went for early voting at one of the >>> >>> designated places in Nashville. When it was my turn, they >>> >>> designated >>> >>> a >>> >>> polling machine to me. Before I began the process, I asked about >>> >>> assisted >>> >>> voting. Maybe I should have asked about accessible polling >>> >>> machines? >>> >>> Anyway, he just said he'd have to help me and that was the only >>> >>> option >>> >>> I >>> >>> had. I turned him down and went through the process myself (I do >>> >>> have >>> >>> some >>> >>> vision). >>> >>> >>> >>> It seems that the voting issues fall into a few categories: >>> >>> 1) lack of knowledge of rights/responsibilities on behalf of the >>> >>> voter >>> >>> 2) lack of training and knowledge of polling staff >>> >>> 3) lack of a functioning accessible voting machine on site >>> >>> 4) difficult-to-follow tutorials/instructions for the accessible >>> machine >>> >>> >>> >>> For me, numbers 1 and 2 seem to be the biggest problems. How do we >>> >>> get >>> >>> the word out and how do we insure that the people at the polling >>> >>> places >>> >>> are >>> >>> trained and that there is a funcitoning machine available? >>> >>> >>> >>> I like the idea about having demos. Barring that, would it be >>> >>> possible >>> >>> to record a tutorial and post it online? Maybe by someone who has >>> >>> used >>> >>> it >>> >>> recently? I've heard that the tutorial provided at the polling >>> >>> place >>> is >>> >>> often not straightforward or easy to follow and that a blind user >>> >>> could >>> >>> do >>> >>> a better job haha >>> >>> >>> >>> I think we should at the very least inform people of their rights. >>> >>> I >>> >>> think finding the federal law wouldn't be too hard, but some rules >>> >>> vary >>> >>> state by state. I'm having trouble tracking down the information >>> >>> for >>> >>> TN, >>> >>> for example. Anyway, here is the federal law (I think). >>> >>> >>> >>> *Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act* >>> >>> >>> >>> The Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act of 1984 >>> >>> generally requires polling places across the United States to be >>> >>> physically >>> >>> accessible to people with disabilities for federal elections. Where >>> >>> no >>> >>> accessible location is available to serve as a polling place, a >>> >>> political >>> >>> subdivision must provide an alternate means of casting a ballot on >>> >>> the >>> >>> day >>> >>> of the election. This law also requires states to make available >>> >>> registration and voting aids for disabled and elderly voters, >>> >>> including >>> >>> information by TTYs (also known as TDDs) or similar devices. For >>> >>> more >>> >>> information, contact: >>> >>> >>> >>> U.S. Department of Justice >>> >>> Civil Rights Division >>> >>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >>> >>> Voting Section - 1800 G >>> >>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >>> >>> >>> >>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *National Voter Registration Act* >>> >>> >>> >>> The National Voter Registration Act of 1993, also known as the >>> >>> "Motor >>> >>> Voter Act," makes it easier for all Americans to exercise their >>> >>> fundamental >>> >>> right to vote. One of the basic purposes of the Act is to increase >>> >>> the >>> >>> historically low registration rates of minorities and persons with >>> >>> disabilities that have resulted from discrimination. The Motor Voter >>> Act >>> >>> requires all offices of State-funded programs that are primarily >>> engaged >>> >>> in >>> >>> providing services to persons with disabilities to provide all >>> >>> program >>> >>> applicants with voter registration forms, to assist them in >>> >>> completing >>> >>> the >>> >>> forms, and to transmit completed forms to the appropriate State >>> >>> official. >>> >>> For more information, contact: >>> >>> >>> >>> U.S. Department of Justice >>> >>> Civil Rights Division >>> >>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >>> >>> Voting Section - 1800 G >>> >>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >>> >>> >>> >>> www.usdoj.gov/crt/voting >>> >>> >>> >>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >>> >>> >>> >>> It seems that the NFB has a lot of lawyers. Is it possible for us >>> >>> to >>> >>> get >>> >>> someone trained in law to help us with this one? >>> >>> >>> >>> Here is another good resource, the Department of Justice: >>> >>> http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/drs/ >>> >>> >>> >>> One question I have is, why aren't ALL voting machines accessible? >>> >>> It >>> >>> seems like this is more of a software issue. Would it not be >>> >>> possible >>> >>> to >>> >>> write accessible software to be used on all machines? >>> >>> >>> >>> One other thing is that we should encourage people to file a >>> >>> complaint >>> >>> if >>> >>> they have these aforementioned problems this year and in the future. >>> We >>> >>> (the NFB) should provide information on that, as well. >>> >>> >>> >>> While I think this is a concern for the whole NFB on a national >>> >>> level, >>> I >>> >>> think as students, we are in a good spot to target new voters and >>> >>> college >>> >>> students who have not voted before. Maybe we could draft a brochure >>> >>> about >>> >>> rights and responsibilities and general information (maybe even for >>> >>> people >>> >>> who aren't blind but are disabled?) and make sure it gets >>> >>> distributed >>> at >>> >>> voter registration drives going on campus. >>> >>> >>> >>> Cindy also makes a good point about getting to the voting place. >>> >>> Also, >>> >>> this will become even more difficult in many states that require >>> >>> valid >>> >>> state IDs (like TN, AL, AR, etc.). How should we deal with this? >>> >>> >>> >>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>> >>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Cynthia Bennett >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Stephanie: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> That is a great idea. I had a similar experience as Josh as I voted >>> >>>> in >>> >>>> my first election. They were the 2008 primaries, and I was very >>> >>>> excited. When the machine did not work, I asked a poll worker to >>> >>>> assist me. They filled in the ballot as I wished, but the worker >>> >>>> did >>> >>>> make some comments about their preference on a politician. This >>> >>>> occured when I said that I did not want to vote for a particular >>> >>>> office, because I was unfamiliar with any of the candidates. I said >>> >>>> something like, "I don't want to fill in anything for this," and >>> >>>> the >>> >>>> worker responded with "Oh, I heard that ___ is pretty good. Do you >>> >>>> want me to fill in his/her name?" I chose to still not vote for >>> >>>> that >>> >>>> particular office. This practice is illegal, and I chose not to say >>> >>>> anything about it. But I do think that an informational call about >>> >>>> rights and accessible voting machines would be awesome. >>> >>>> Unfortunately, >>> >>>> each state is a little different, but information about federal >>> >>>> mandates on the presence of accessible voting machines/rights and >>> >>>> some >>> >>>> typical patterns in accessible voting in states would be great. For >>> >>>> example, Washington conducts mail ballots. There are a few >>> >>>> precincts >>> >>>> around town, but if you work in a neighborhood in which it takes a >>> >>>> while to get to a precinct, you are at a disadvantage as a blind >>> >>>> person. So, you can either take off work and use public >>> >>>> transportation >>> >>>> to navigate to one of the few and very busy precincts and wait in a >>> >>>> 3-hour line, or you can find a reader and disclose your voting >>> >>>> preferences. The other animal in this issue is that if you choose >>> >>>> to >>> >>>> get a reader to fill out your signature does not match the >>> >>>> signature >>> >>>> on your state ID which is kept on file, then your ballot can be >>> >>>> deemed >>> >>>> as false and not counted. As a blind person, I do the best I can >>> >>>> with >>> >>>> my signature, but I do think that even the most ambitious blind >>> >>>> people >>> >>>> are at a disadvantage when having to match a signature, and our >>> >>>> ballots could not be counted, and we may not hear about it, or we >>> >>>> would learn of it after elections are closed. If we are afraid that >>> >>>> our signature may not match that of our state ID, then we can have >>> >>>> 2 >>> >>>> witnesses sign. But that is 2 more people that have to see my >>> >>>> ballot. >>> >>>> I do not think that this practice is common within the states, and >>> >>>> I >>> >>>> would definitely not like my experience to dominate the nature of >>> >>>> the >>> >>>> call, but I wanted to relay it to show that I think this is a very >>> >>>> good idea. I would personally like some professional/legal >>> >>>> advice/legal suggestions on how this can be changed. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> So, if you have any suggestions on people to conduct this call, or >>> >>>> resources for where this information can be found, please share it. >>> >>>> If >>> >>>> not, the membership committee will certainly take the initiative to >>> >>>> conduct an informative call if we do in fact decide to pursue this >>> >>>> topic. But I wanted to make sure that since you made the >>> >>>> suggestion, >>> >>>> you are welcome to provide suggestions on people to conduct the >>> >>>> call. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> I know that someone comes to each NC state convention with an >>> >>>> accessible voting machine to show in the exhibit hall. During this >>> >>>> time, people can vote in a fake election and orient themselves to >>> >>>> the >>> >>>> machine. I am not sure if NC is still doing this since it has been >>> >>>> a >>> >>>> few years since the accessible machines were introduced, but I >>> >>>> think >>> >>>> there is still a need for outreach about accessible voting. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Keep the good membership call suggestions coming! >>> >>>> Cindy >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On 8/27/12, Joshua Lester >>> wrote: >>> >>>> > Hi, Stephanie! >>> >>>> > That's a great idea! >>> >>>> > I went to my voting site, earlier this year, and the machine >>> >>>> > didn't >>> >>>> work. >>> >>>> > My Disability Rights person that works for the governor, here >>> >>>> > said >>> >>>> he'd come >>> >>>> > down, to show them how to work it, but he never showed up! >>> >>>> > Thanks, Joshua >>> >>>> > ________________________________________ >>> >>>> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on >>> behalf >>> >>>> of >>> >>>> > Stephanie DeLuca [sjhhirst at gmail.com] >>> >>>> > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 2:53 PM >>> >>>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS Membership Call Survey >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > I think a discussion on voting as people with disabilities would >>> >>>> > be >>> >>>> good. >>> >>>> > Since a lot of people are on college campuses, it'd be a good >>> >>>> opportunity to >>> >>>> > get involved with informing people with disabilities (mainly VI) >>> >>>> > about >>> >>>> > rights and responsibilities for voting. I've been to/worked at >>> >>>> > several >>> >>>> > voter registration drives, and I have NEVER seen information on >>> >>>> > voting >>> >>>> if >>> >>>> > you have a disability. >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > On Aug 27, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Cody Bair >>> >>>> > wrote: >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >> Hi All, >>> >>>> >> As you are probably already aware, NABS conducts monthly >>> >>>> >> membership >>> >>>> calls. >>> >>>> >> In order to get this school year started we are currently >>> >>>> >> seeking >>> >>>> >> your >>> >>>> >> input on what topics you would like to see us cover this year. >>> >>>> >> Please >>> >>>> >> either reply directly to this thread with your suggestions or >>> >>>> >> mail >>> >>>> them >>> >>>> >> directly to >>> >>>> >> Nabs.membership at gmail.com >>> >>>> >> Sincerely, >>> >>>> >> The NABS membership Committee >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>> >> nabs-l mailing list >>> >>>> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>>> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> >>>> >> info >>> >>>> >> for >>> >>>> >> nabs-l: >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>> >>>> > nabs-l mailing list >>> >>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> >>>> > nabs-l: >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>> >>>> > nabs-l mailing list >>> >>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> >>>> > nabs-l: >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> -- >>> >>>> Cynthia Bennett >>> >>>> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >>> >>>> >>> >>>> clb5590 at gmail.com >>> >>>> 828.989.5383 >>> >>>> >>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>> >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> >>>> for >>> >>>> nabs-l: >>> >>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > nabs-l mailing list >>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> > nabs-l: >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >>> > >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Cynthia Bennett >>> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >>> >>> clb5590 at gmail.com >>> 828.989.5383 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From zerone1683 at gmail.com Tue Aug 28 16:31:09 2012 From: zerone1683 at gmail.com (Chun Chao) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 09:31:09 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Taking a Course in Chinese In-Reply-To: <6013705F-3AB6-414D-BD88-CC6FB39F96E2@gmail.com> References: <002301cd84d8$52893ae0$f79bb0a0$@gmail.com> <396D7E68-78F6-4F7F-8CAC-9DDFE3FF2933@gmail.com> <6013705F-3AB6-414D-BD88-CC6FB39F96E2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <001901cd853a$89105a00$9b310e00$@com> Hello NABS: Another suggestion is to ask the international students on the international students list and see how they utilize Braille technology in their own language. The international students can be reached at: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-international-students_nfbnet.org C.C. Alan -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Laurel and Stockard Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 8:29 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Taking a Course in Chinese Hi all, Hanna, you know me from the NAGDU listso I will not introduce myself again. If you are using jaws, there is a realspeak solo voice that does Mandarin Chinese, and one that does Cantanese Chinese too. It is free. For the rest of you, I have noticed lots of language class related questions lately. I happen to be a foreign language major, and have alot of experience making various languages accessible. I won t go into too many details here, because I do not wanna clutter up the list with info that most people do not need. But, if any of you all would like to contact me privately, feel free. My email is laurel.stockard at gmail.com. There is a good chance I can help you with whatever language you are learning. Lavanya, I am sorry I cannot spell your name, I do not remember how, if you email me, I can show you how to write any of the languag3es you are learning. Anyway, I have tuns of resources, so if I can help anybody, let me know. Laurel and Stockard Sent from my iPad On Aug 28, 2012, at 8:28 AM, Lavonya Gardner wrote: > I have never tried to write any of the 13 languages I am teaching myself. How the heck does that work? > > Sent from my iPad > > On Aug 28, 2012, at 0:48, "Hannah Chadwick" wrote: > >> Hello everyone, >> I've been on the list for quite a while now, but haven't introduced >> myself to those of you who joined in the last year or so. my name is >> Hannah Chadwick, and I'm attending UC Davis this fall. I'm planning >> on double majoring in international relations and linguistics with a >> minor in journalism. I love learning new languages, and will be >> taking a Chinese class. I took Spanish for 2 years in high school and >> I was able to use my BrailleNote for that, but I'm not sure that >> doing my Chinese work on the Apex will be the best idea since the alphabet will be completely different. >> Has anyone taken a Chinese course before? If so, what did you do in >> terms of writing the Chinese alphabet? Are there software out to that >> would read the language? >> Best, Hannah >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40g >> mail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stockard%40 > gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zerone1683%40gmail.com From jty727 at gmail.com Tue Aug 28 17:31:19 2012 From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 13:31:19 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] ID's and Voting In-Reply-To: <5BEC910D48D54828ACFF96B7C2CE3D09@BrandonsLaptop2> References: <5BEC910D48D54828ACFF96B7C2CE3D09@BrandonsLaptop2> Message-ID: I know you don't necessarily have to go to the DMV to renew your ID. When it came time for me to renew mine, they just sent a form in the mail and I checked a box(Driver or Non-Driver). They both had a length they were good for and a fee it cost to purchase them. Using a CCTV I filled out the form rather quickly. If one doesn't have enough vision for that, then I guess the only other way would to have sighted assistance. I would say though if the picture you wish to change, then to my knowledge you have to go to the DMV. Hope this helps On 8/28/12, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: > Hello, > The way I write my signature is Place my finger on the line, place my pen > next to my finger, lift my finger, ask someone if the pen is in the right > place and agust to what they say, then if I can I place my finger back on > the paper and then I write my signature strait from my finger. I have a > signature that doesn't need me to lift my pen from the paper, so that is > really good. I also just use my first name as my signature only. (I'm not > sure if people know this, but your signature doesn't need to be your name, > it can be a star or a picture of some kind). I've been told that my > signature is super hard to copy and it is still readable. I use a mixture of > > cursive and the typical letters. I sat down with my living skills instructor > > one day and we experimented with signatures and found the thing that would > be the fastest, most readable and the best reproducible, so that is what I > now use. Also, I only write capitals, because they are the easiest to write > > for me. > Thanks, > > Brandon Keith Biggs > -----Original Message----- > From: Arielle Silverman > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 10:15 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] ID's and Voting > > Hi all, > I think it is fair for a blind person to need to get a state ID card > or non-driving license. Going to the DMV sucks but it sucks for > sighted people too. Having some kind of legal identification is just > part of living in this country as an adult and enables us to > participate in all the same activities as those with drivers' > licenses, including flying on airplanes and passing the age test to > buy alcohol (I don't think student ID is acceptable for either of > these things, whether you are sighted or blind). I do, however, agree > that requiring a blind person to give a signature that matches one on > file is probably unfair even if it is not intended to be > discriminatory. A blind person could get around this by signing with a > stamp, though I'm not sure how long those last. > Arielle > On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: >> Hm my main concern with the IDs is that people have to get to the DMV >> somehow. In places like Nashville, that's not exactly straightforward. >> I >> guess they could take a cab? It just sucks because, I think before, >> people >> could just use a student ID (speaking about our own age group). Now, the >> states have made it more difficult than it already was. >> >> Rhode Island has an interesting approach to this (and someone correct me >> if >> I'm wrong). If you don't have a state ID on you at the polling place, >> you >> can sign an affidavit of identity, which basically just certifies that >> you >> are who you say you are. I like this idea (well, except for the whole >> signature thing, which I had never thought about). >> >> http://www.ncsl.org/legislatures-elections/elections/voter-id.aspx >> >> >> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Cynthia Bennett >> wrote: >> >>> Stephanie: >>> >>> This is great informaition. Thanks for going so much in depth. >>> >>> The ID issue is the easiest. I don't know of a state that doesn't >>> offer a nondriving photo ID. This can be obtained wherever you would >>> go to get your driver's license. It looks just like and contains all >>> of the information that a driver's license contains. It is a >>> legitimate form of ID. I had no problems at the precincts in NC when I >>> showed my photo ID. >>> >>> Where ID's relate to my concern is that when you get your ID, you have >>> to sign the bottom. The DMV that I went to had an electronic pad that >>> you sign with a stylus. I typically like to place a finger down on a >>> paper to orient myself before I write my signature. But touching the >>> electronic pad made a finger print. After a few unsuccessful tries, >>> the agent gave me an index card, and they elected to process my >>> signature the old way. This was helpful, but even though I have been >>> signing my name since I was 7, I really don't have any way of knowing >>> if I have signed my name exactly the way it looks on my state ID; this >>> signature is kept on file with the state so they don't actually have >>> to look at your ID to see it. I know that the intentions of this are >>> good and in place to prevent voter fraud, but as a blind person, I >>> feel like it pretty much gives me no choice but to find 2 witnesses to >>> sign my ballot and varify my signature, and I think that is unfair >>> since a sighted person can fill out their ballot independently and >>> forego the long precinct lines since they are located far and few >>> between due to the mailed-out ballots being the primary method used >>> for voting. >>> >>> I'm sure the membership committee will look at all of this information >>> and decide if this call is a good idea, which I think we will, and we >>> will work to find appropriate people to conduct the call. Thanks so >>> much for the information. It was really great to read. >>> >>> And, I go by Cindy so that's fine. >>> >>> Cindy >>> >>> On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: >>> > This website is very informative. The following link takes you to a >>> > page >>> > where they have links to several laws relevant to people with >>> disabilities. >>> > >>> > http://www.section508.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=Laws >>> > >>> > In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>> > ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>> > >>> > >>> > On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca >>> > wrote: >>> > >>> >> Heh, I mean Cynthia, sorry! >>> >> >>> >> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>> >> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca >>> >> wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> I'm excited to see that other people support the idea of getting >>> >>> involved >>> >>> but sad to admit that it's a problem. >>> >>> >>> >>> My story is this: In 2008, I went for early voting at one of the >>> >>> designated places in Nashville. When it was my turn, they >>> >>> designated >>> >>> a >>> >>> polling machine to me. Before I began the process, I asked about >>> >>> assisted >>> >>> voting. Maybe I should have asked about accessible polling >>> >>> machines? >>> >>> Anyway, he just said he'd have to help me and that was the only >>> >>> option >>> >>> I >>> >>> had. I turned him down and went through the process myself (I do >>> >>> have >>> >>> some >>> >>> vision). >>> >>> >>> >>> It seems that the voting issues fall into a few categories: >>> >>> 1) lack of knowledge of rights/responsibilities on behalf of the >>> >>> voter >>> >>> 2) lack of training and knowledge of polling staff >>> >>> 3) lack of a functioning accessible voting machine on site >>> >>> 4) difficult-to-follow tutorials/instructions for the accessible >>> machine >>> >>> >>> >>> For me, numbers 1 and 2 seem to be the biggest problems. How do we >>> >>> get >>> >>> the word out and how do we insure that the people at the polling >>> >>> places >>> >>> are >>> >>> trained and that there is a funcitoning machine available? >>> >>> >>> >>> I like the idea about having demos. Barring that, would it be >>> >>> possible >>> >>> to record a tutorial and post it online? Maybe by someone who has >>> >>> used >>> >>> it >>> >>> recently? I've heard that the tutorial provided at the polling >>> >>> place >>> is >>> >>> often not straightforward or easy to follow and that a blind user >>> >>> could >>> >>> do >>> >>> a better job haha >>> >>> >>> >>> I think we should at the very least inform people of their rights. >>> >>> I >>> >>> think finding the federal law wouldn't be too hard, but some rules >>> >>> vary >>> >>> state by state. I'm having trouble tracking down the information >>> >>> for >>> >>> TN, >>> >>> for example. Anyway, here is the federal law (I think). >>> >>> >>> >>> *Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act* >>> >>> >>> >>> The Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act of 1984 >>> >>> generally requires polling places across the United States to be >>> >>> physically >>> >>> accessible to people with disabilities for federal elections. Where >>> >>> no >>> >>> accessible location is available to serve as a polling place, a >>> >>> political >>> >>> subdivision must provide an alternate means of casting a ballot on >>> >>> the >>> >>> day >>> >>> of the election. This law also requires states to make available >>> >>> registration and voting aids for disabled and elderly voters, >>> >>> including >>> >>> information by TTYs (also known as TDDs) or similar devices. For >>> >>> more >>> >>> information, contact: >>> >>> >>> >>> U.S. Department of Justice >>> >>> Civil Rights Division >>> >>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >>> >>> Voting Section - 1800 G >>> >>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >>> >>> >>> >>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *National Voter Registration Act* >>> >>> >>> >>> The National Voter Registration Act of 1993, also known as the >>> >>> "Motor >>> >>> Voter Act," makes it easier for all Americans to exercise their >>> >>> fundamental >>> >>> right to vote. One of the basic purposes of the Act is to increase >>> >>> the >>> >>> historically low registration rates of minorities and persons with >>> >>> disabilities that have resulted from discrimination. The Motor Voter >>> Act >>> >>> requires all offices of State-funded programs that are primarily >>> engaged >>> >>> in >>> >>> providing services to persons with disabilities to provide all >>> >>> program >>> >>> applicants with voter registration forms, to assist them in >>> >>> completing >>> >>> the >>> >>> forms, and to transmit completed forms to the appropriate State >>> >>> official. >>> >>> For more information, contact: >>> >>> >>> >>> U.S. Department of Justice >>> >>> Civil Rights Division >>> >>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >>> >>> Voting Section - 1800 G >>> >>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >>> >>> >>> >>> www.usdoj.gov/crt/voting >>> >>> >>> >>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >>> >>> >>> >>> It seems that the NFB has a lot of lawyers. Is it possible for us >>> >>> to >>> >>> get >>> >>> someone trained in law to help us with this one? >>> >>> >>> >>> Here is another good resource, the Department of Justice: >>> >>> http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/drs/ >>> >>> >>> >>> One question I have is, why aren't ALL voting machines accessible? >>> >>> It >>> >>> seems like this is more of a software issue. Would it not be >>> >>> possible >>> >>> to >>> >>> write accessible software to be used on all machines? >>> >>> >>> >>> One other thing is that we should encourage people to file a >>> >>> complaint >>> >>> if >>> >>> they have these aforementioned problems this year and in the future. >>> We >>> >>> (the NFB) should provide information on that, as well. >>> >>> >>> >>> While I think this is a concern for the whole NFB on a national >>> >>> level, >>> I >>> >>> think as students, we are in a good spot to target new voters and >>> >>> college >>> >>> students who have not voted before. Maybe we could draft a brochure >>> >>> about >>> >>> rights and responsibilities and general information (maybe even for >>> >>> people >>> >>> who aren't blind but are disabled?) and make sure it gets >>> >>> distributed >>> at >>> >>> voter registration drives going on campus. >>> >>> >>> >>> Cindy also makes a good point about getting to the voting place. >>> >>> Also, >>> >>> this will become even more difficult in many states that require >>> >>> valid >>> >>> state IDs (like TN, AL, AR, etc.). How should we deal with this? >>> >>> >>> >>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>> >>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Cynthia Bennett >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Stephanie: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> That is a great idea. I had a similar experience as Josh as I voted >>> >>>> in >>> >>>> my first election. They were the 2008 primaries, and I was very >>> >>>> excited. When the machine did not work, I asked a poll worker to >>> >>>> assist me. They filled in the ballot as I wished, but the worker >>> >>>> did >>> >>>> make some comments about their preference on a politician. This >>> >>>> occured when I said that I did not want to vote for a particular >>> >>>> office, because I was unfamiliar with any of the candidates. I said >>> >>>> something like, "I don't want to fill in anything for this," and >>> >>>> the >>> >>>> worker responded with "Oh, I heard that ___ is pretty good. Do you >>> >>>> want me to fill in his/her name?" I chose to still not vote for >>> >>>> that >>> >>>> particular office. This practice is illegal, and I chose not to say >>> >>>> anything about it. But I do think that an informational call about >>> >>>> rights and accessible voting machines would be awesome. >>> >>>> Unfortunately, >>> >>>> each state is a little different, but information about federal >>> >>>> mandates on the presence of accessible voting machines/rights and >>> >>>> some >>> >>>> typical patterns in accessible voting in states would be great. For >>> >>>> example, Washington conducts mail ballots. There are a few >>> >>>> precincts >>> >>>> around town, but if you work in a neighborhood in which it takes a >>> >>>> while to get to a precinct, you are at a disadvantage as a blind >>> >>>> person. So, you can either take off work and use public >>> >>>> transportation >>> >>>> to navigate to one of the few and very busy precincts and wait in a >>> >>>> 3-hour line, or you can find a reader and disclose your voting >>> >>>> preferences. The other animal in this issue is that if you choose >>> >>>> to >>> >>>> get a reader to fill out your signature does not match the >>> >>>> signature >>> >>>> on your state ID which is kept on file, then your ballot can be >>> >>>> deemed >>> >>>> as false and not counted. As a blind person, I do the best I can >>> >>>> with >>> >>>> my signature, but I do think that even the most ambitious blind >>> >>>> people >>> >>>> are at a disadvantage when having to match a signature, and our >>> >>>> ballots could not be counted, and we may not hear about it, or we >>> >>>> would learn of it after elections are closed. If we are afraid that >>> >>>> our signature may not match that of our state ID, then we can have >>> >>>> 2 >>> >>>> witnesses sign. But that is 2 more people that have to see my >>> >>>> ballot. >>> >>>> I do not think that this practice is common within the states, and >>> >>>> I >>> >>>> would definitely not like my experience to dominate the nature of >>> >>>> the >>> >>>> call, but I wanted to relay it to show that I think this is a very >>> >>>> good idea. I would personally like some professional/legal >>> >>>> advice/legal suggestions on how this can be changed. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> So, if you have any suggestions on people to conduct this call, or >>> >>>> resources for where this information can be found, please share it. >>> >>>> If >>> >>>> not, the membership committee will certainly take the initiative to >>> >>>> conduct an informative call if we do in fact decide to pursue this >>> >>>> topic. But I wanted to make sure that since you made the >>> >>>> suggestion, >>> >>>> you are welcome to provide suggestions on people to conduct the >>> >>>> call. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> I know that someone comes to each NC state convention with an >>> >>>> accessible voting machine to show in the exhibit hall. During this >>> >>>> time, people can vote in a fake election and orient themselves to >>> >>>> the >>> >>>> machine. I am not sure if NC is still doing this since it has been >>> >>>> a >>> >>>> few years since the accessible machines were introduced, but I >>> >>>> think >>> >>>> there is still a need for outreach about accessible voting. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Keep the good membership call suggestions coming! >>> >>>> Cindy >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On 8/27/12, Joshua Lester >>> wrote: >>> >>>> > Hi, Stephanie! >>> >>>> > That's a great idea! >>> >>>> > I went to my voting site, earlier this year, and the machine >>> >>>> > didn't >>> >>>> work. >>> >>>> > My Disability Rights person that works for the governor, here >>> >>>> > said >>> >>>> he'd come >>> >>>> > down, to show them how to work it, but he never showed up! >>> >>>> > Thanks, Joshua >>> >>>> > ________________________________________ >>> >>>> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on >>> behalf >>> >>>> of >>> >>>> > Stephanie DeLuca [sjhhirst at gmail.com] >>> >>>> > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 2:53 PM >>> >>>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS Membership Call Survey >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > I think a discussion on voting as people with disabilities would >>> >>>> > be >>> >>>> good. >>> >>>> > Since a lot of people are on college campuses, it'd be a good >>> >>>> opportunity to >>> >>>> > get involved with informing people with disabilities (mainly VI) >>> >>>> > about >>> >>>> > rights and responsibilities for voting. I've been to/worked at >>> >>>> > several >>> >>>> > voter registration drives, and I have NEVER seen information on >>> >>>> > voting >>> >>>> if >>> >>>> > you have a disability. >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > On Aug 27, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Cody Bair >>> >>>> > wrote: >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >> Hi All, >>> >>>> >> As you are probably already aware, NABS conducts monthly >>> >>>> >> membership >>> >>>> calls. >>> >>>> >> In order to get this school year started we are currently >>> >>>> >> seeking >>> >>>> >> your >>> >>>> >> input on what topics you would like to see us cover this year. >>> >>>> >> Please >>> >>>> >> either reply directly to this thread with your suggestions or >>> >>>> >> mail >>> >>>> them >>> >>>> >> directly to >>> >>>> >> Nabs.membership at gmail.com >>> >>>> >> Sincerely, >>> >>>> >> The NABS membership Committee >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>> >> nabs-l mailing list >>> >>>> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>>> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> >>>> >> info >>> >>>> >> for >>> >>>> >> nabs-l: >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>> >>>> > nabs-l mailing list >>> >>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> >>>> > nabs-l: >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>> >>>> > nabs-l mailing list >>> >>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> >>>> > nabs-l: >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> -- >>> >>>> Cynthia Bennett >>> >>>> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >>> >>>> >>> >>>> clb5590 at gmail.com >>> >>>> 828.989.5383 >>> >>>> >>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>> >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> >>>> for >>> >>>> nabs-l: >>> >>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > nabs-l mailing list >>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> > nabs-l: >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >>> > >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Cynthia Bennett >>> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >>> >>> clb5590 at gmail.com >>> 828.989.5383 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Tue Aug 28 17:34:07 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 13:34:07 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Taking a Course in Chinese In-Reply-To: <20120828090248.a862cb650d6697432268d60a163e698f.9fb46e5c04.wbe@email18.secureserver.net> References: <20120828090248.a862cb650d6697432268d60a163e698f.9fb46e5c04.wbe@email18.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <1450CBF3-32C3-4E57-91C8-73A8816F8F9F@gmail.com> Is there a way that some of the international students to this list? Sent from my iPad On Aug 28, 2012, at 12:02, wrote: > This is an interesting thread. I am pretty sure if you are interested in seeing the shape of the Chinese characters you could easily make them on a raised line drawing board like the Sensational BlackBoard. Full disclosure I make them but I make them because they make it so easy to share visual information. I use them in art class at the Colorado Center for the Blind. You just xerox the images you are interested in seeing on to regular copy paper and then have them traced with a Bic ballpoint pen using the board to back the paper. Hope this helps. I took Chinese in college and it was very helpful to see the characters because they are images that tell you as much about the Chinese culture as represent the word. I remember one character represents ten eyes looking at a wall and declaring it square. American culture depends on a tool, their culture seeks consensus. > If you are interested in the board there is a link below to a site with a descriptive video at http://www.SensationalBooks.com > Ann > > Ann Cunningham > Tactile Art - a creative way to see the world! > 303 238 4760 > ann at acunningham.com > http://www.acunningham.com > http://www.sensationalbooks.com > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Taking a Course in Chinese > From: Laurel and Stockard > Date: Tue, August 28, 2012 8:28 am > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > > Hi all, > Hanna, you know me from the NAGDU listso I will not introduce myself again. If you are using jaws, there is a realspeak solo voice that does Mandarin Chinese, and one that does Cantanese Chinese too. It is free. For the rest of you, I have noticed lots of language class related questions lately. I happen to be a foreign language major, and have alot of experience making various languages accessible. I won > t go into too many details here, because I do not wanna clutter up the list with info that most people do not need. But, if any of you all would like to contact me privately, feel free. My email is laurel.stockard at gmail.com. There is a good chance I can help you with whatever language you are learning. Lavanya, I am sorry I cannot spell your name, I do not remember how, if you email me, I can show you how to write any of the languag3es you are learning. > Anyway, I have tuns of resources, so if I can help anybody, let me know. > Laurel and Stockard > > Sent from my iPad > > On Aug 28, 2012, at 8:28 AM, Lavonya Gardner wrote: > > > I have never tried to write any of the 13 languages I am teaching myself. How the heck does that work? > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > On Aug 28, 2012, at 0:48, "Hannah Chadwick" wrote: > > > >> Hello everyone, > >> I've been on the list for quite a while now, but haven't introduced myself > >> to those of you who joined in the last year or so. my name is Hannah > >> Chadwick, and I'm attending UC Davis this fall. I'm planning on double > >> majoring in international relations and linguistics with a minor in > >> journalism. I love learning new languages, and will be taking a Chinese > >> class. I took Spanish for 2 years in high school and I was able to use my > >> BrailleNote for that, but I'm not sure that doing my Chinese work on the > >> Apex will be the best idea since the alphabet will be completely different. > >> Has anyone taken a Chinese course before? If so, what did you do in terms of > >> writing the Chinese alphabet? Are there software out to that would read the > >> language? > >> Best, Hannah > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stockard%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ann%40acunningham.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Tue Aug 28 17:45:53 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 13:45:53 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Taking a Course in Chinese In-Reply-To: <6013705F-3AB6-414D-BD88-CC6FB39F96E2@gmail.com> References: <002301cd84d8$52893ae0$f79bb0a0$@gmail.com> <396D7E68-78F6-4F7F-8CAC-9DDFE3FF2933@gmail.com> <6013705F-3AB6-414D-BD88-CC6FB39F96E2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9E1EEFC0-5AEB-4449-B4A7-A37389D9A8F7@gmail.com> Hi Laurah. Thanks. I will email u. I think learning to reading the languages in both print and Braille will help me in my classes. I take classes in dance and writing. I may have to use q cards for the speeches that I have to give.i am autistics, and us my iPad, Dynavox, and or my laptop. That is y I ask. Sent from my iPad On Aug 28, 2012, at 11:28, Laurel and Stockard wrote: > Hi all, > Hanna, you know me from the NAGDU listso I will not introduce myself again. If you are using jaws, there is a realspeak solo voice that does Mandarin Chinese, and one that does Cantanese Chinese too. It is free. For the rest of you, I have noticed lots of language class related questions lately. I happen to be a foreign language major, and have alot of experience making various languages accessible. I won > t go into too many details here, because I do not wanna clutter up the list with info that most people do not need. But, if any of you all would like to contact me privately, feel free. My email is laurel.stockard at gmail.com. There is a good chance I can help you with whatever language you are learning. Lavanya, I am sorry I cannot spell your name, I do not remember how, if you email me, I can show you how to write any of the languag3es you are learning. > Anyway, I have tuns of resources, so if I can help anybody, let me know. > Laurel and Stockard > > Sent from my iPad > > On Aug 28, 2012, at 8:28 AM, Lavonya Gardner wrote: > >> I have never tried to write any of the 13 languages I am teaching myself. How the heck does that work? >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Aug 28, 2012, at 0:48, "Hannah Chadwick" wrote: >> >>> Hello everyone, >>> I've been on the list for quite a while now, but haven't introduced myself >>> to those of you who joined in the last year or so. my name is Hannah >>> Chadwick, and I'm attending UC Davis this fall. I'm planning on double >>> majoring in international relations and linguistics with a minor in >>> journalism. I love learning new languages, and will be taking a Chinese >>> class. I took Spanish for 2 years in high school and I was able to use my >>> BrailleNote for that, but I'm not sure that doing my Chinese work on the >>> Apex will be the best idea since the alphabet will be completely different. >>> Has anyone taken a Chinese course before? If so, what did you do in terms of >>> writing the Chinese alphabet? Are there software out to that would read the >>> language? >>> Best, Hannah >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stockard%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Tue Aug 28 18:04:25 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 14:04:25 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] ID's and Voting In-Reply-To: References: <5BEC910D48D54828ACFF96B7C2CE3D09@BrandonsLaptop2> Message-ID: I have to have my eyes closed, do to autism. They gave me a lot of crap about that. After I freaked out, because they touched me, they let me keep my shades on. Sent from my iPad On Aug 28, 2012, at 12:59, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Why does it matter if your eyes are open for an ID photo, or if you > are wearing sunglasses? Is it a legal issue or are some DMV workers > just obsessed with getting an attractive picture? > Arielle > > On 8/28/12, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: >> Hello, >> The way I write my signature is Place my finger on the line, place my pen >> next to my finger, lift my finger, ask someone if the pen is in the right >> place and agust to what they say, then if I can I place my finger back on >> the paper and then I write my signature strait from my finger. I have a >> signature that doesn't need me to lift my pen from the paper, so that is >> really good. I also just use my first name as my signature only. (I'm not >> sure if people know this, but your signature doesn't need to be your name, >> it can be a star or a picture of some kind). I've been told that my >> signature is super hard to copy and it is still readable. I use a mixture of >> >> cursive and the typical letters. I sat down with my living skills instructor >> >> one day and we experimented with signatures and found the thing that would >> be the fastest, most readable and the best reproducible, so that is what I >> now use. Also, I only write capitals, because they are the easiest to write >> >> for me. >> Thanks, >> >> Brandon Keith Biggs >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Arielle Silverman >> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 10:15 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] ID's and Voting >> >> Hi all, >> I think it is fair for a blind person to need to get a state ID card >> or non-driving license. Going to the DMV sucks but it sucks for >> sighted people too. Having some kind of legal identification is just >> part of living in this country as an adult and enables us to >> participate in all the same activities as those with drivers' >> licenses, including flying on airplanes and passing the age test to >> buy alcohol (I don't think student ID is acceptable for either of >> these things, whether you are sighted or blind). I do, however, agree >> that requiring a blind person to give a signature that matches one on >> file is probably unfair even if it is not intended to be >> discriminatory. A blind person could get around this by signing with a >> stamp, though I'm not sure how long those last. >> Arielle >> On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: >>> Hm my main concern with the IDs is that people have to get to the DMV >>> somehow. In places like Nashville, that's not exactly straightforward. >>> I >>> guess they could take a cab? It just sucks because, I think before, >>> people >>> could just use a student ID (speaking about our own age group). Now, the >>> states have made it more difficult than it already was. >>> >>> Rhode Island has an interesting approach to this (and someone correct me >>> if >>> I'm wrong). If you don't have a state ID on you at the polling place, >>> you >>> can sign an affidavit of identity, which basically just certifies that >>> you >>> are who you say you are. I like this idea (well, except for the whole >>> signature thing, which I had never thought about). >>> >>> http://www.ncsl.org/legislatures-elections/elections/voter-id.aspx >>> >>> >>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Cynthia Bennett >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Stephanie: >>>> >>>> This is great informaition. Thanks for going so much in depth. >>>> >>>> The ID issue is the easiest. I don't know of a state that doesn't >>>> offer a nondriving photo ID. This can be obtained wherever you would >>>> go to get your driver's license. It looks just like and contains all >>>> of the information that a driver's license contains. It is a >>>> legitimate form of ID. I had no problems at the precincts in NC when I >>>> showed my photo ID. >>>> >>>> Where ID's relate to my concern is that when you get your ID, you have >>>> to sign the bottom. The DMV that I went to had an electronic pad that >>>> you sign with a stylus. I typically like to place a finger down on a >>>> paper to orient myself before I write my signature. But touching the >>>> electronic pad made a finger print. After a few unsuccessful tries, >>>> the agent gave me an index card, and they elected to process my >>>> signature the old way. This was helpful, but even though I have been >>>> signing my name since I was 7, I really don't have any way of knowing >>>> if I have signed my name exactly the way it looks on my state ID; this >>>> signature is kept on file with the state so they don't actually have >>>> to look at your ID to see it. I know that the intentions of this are >>>> good and in place to prevent voter fraud, but as a blind person, I >>>> feel like it pretty much gives me no choice but to find 2 witnesses to >>>> sign my ballot and varify my signature, and I think that is unfair >>>> since a sighted person can fill out their ballot independently and >>>> forego the long precinct lines since they are located far and few >>>> between due to the mailed-out ballots being the primary method used >>>> for voting. >>>> >>>> I'm sure the membership committee will look at all of this information >>>> and decide if this call is a good idea, which I think we will, and we >>>> will work to find appropriate people to conduct the call. Thanks so >>>> much for the information. It was really great to read. >>>> >>>> And, I go by Cindy so that's fine. >>>> >>>> Cindy >>>> >>>> On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: >>>>> This website is very informative. The following link takes you to a >>>>> page >>>>> where they have links to several laws relevant to people with >>>> disabilities. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.section508.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=Laws >>>>> >>>>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Heh, I mean Cynthia, sorry! >>>>>> >>>>>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>>>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm excited to see that other people support the idea of getting >>>>>>> involved >>>>>>> but sad to admit that it's a problem. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My story is this: In 2008, I went for early voting at one of the >>>>>>> designated places in Nashville. When it was my turn, they >>>>>>> designated >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> polling machine to me. Before I began the process, I asked about >>>>>>> assisted >>>>>>> voting. Maybe I should have asked about accessible polling >>>>>>> machines? >>>>>>> Anyway, he just said he'd have to help me and that was the only >>>>>>> option >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> had. I turned him down and went through the process myself (I do >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> some >>>>>>> vision). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It seems that the voting issues fall into a few categories: >>>>>>> 1) lack of knowledge of rights/responsibilities on behalf of the >>>>>>> voter >>>>>>> 2) lack of training and knowledge of polling staff >>>>>>> 3) lack of a functioning accessible voting machine on site >>>>>>> 4) difficult-to-follow tutorials/instructions for the accessible >>>> machine >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For me, numbers 1 and 2 seem to be the biggest problems. How do we >>>>>>> get >>>>>>> the word out and how do we insure that the people at the polling >>>>>>> places >>>>>>> are >>>>>>> trained and that there is a funcitoning machine available? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I like the idea about having demos. Barring that, would it be >>>>>>> possible >>>>>>> to record a tutorial and post it online? Maybe by someone who has >>>>>>> used >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> recently? I've heard that the tutorial provided at the polling >>>>>>> place >>>> is >>>>>>> often not straightforward or easy to follow and that a blind user >>>>>>> could >>>>>>> do >>>>>>> a better job haha >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think we should at the very least inform people of their rights. >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> think finding the federal law wouldn't be too hard, but some rules >>>>>>> vary >>>>>>> state by state. I'm having trouble tracking down the information >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> TN, >>>>>>> for example. Anyway, here is the federal law (I think). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act of 1984 >>>>>>> generally requires polling places across the United States to be >>>>>>> physically >>>>>>> accessible to people with disabilities for federal elections. Where >>>>>>> no >>>>>>> accessible location is available to serve as a polling place, a >>>>>>> political >>>>>>> subdivision must provide an alternate means of casting a ballot on >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> day >>>>>>> of the election. This law also requires states to make available >>>>>>> registration and voting aids for disabled and elderly voters, >>>>>>> including >>>>>>> information by TTYs (also known as TDDs) or similar devices. For >>>>>>> more >>>>>>> information, contact: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> U.S. Department of Justice >>>>>>> Civil Rights Division >>>>>>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >>>>>>> Voting Section - 1800 G >>>>>>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *National Voter Registration Act* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The National Voter Registration Act of 1993, also known as the >>>>>>> "Motor >>>>>>> Voter Act," makes it easier for all Americans to exercise their >>>>>>> fundamental >>>>>>> right to vote. One of the basic purposes of the Act is to increase >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> historically low registration rates of minorities and persons with >>>>>>> disabilities that have resulted from discrimination. The Motor Voter >>>> Act >>>>>>> requires all offices of State-funded programs that are primarily >>>> engaged >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> providing services to persons with disabilities to provide all >>>>>>> program >>>>>>> applicants with voter registration forms, to assist them in >>>>>>> completing >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> forms, and to transmit completed forms to the appropriate State >>>>>>> official. >>>>>>> For more information, contact: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> U.S. Department of Justice >>>>>>> Civil Rights Division >>>>>>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >>>>>>> Voting Section - 1800 G >>>>>>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> www.usdoj.gov/crt/voting >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It seems that the NFB has a lot of lawyers. Is it possible for us >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> get >>>>>>> someone trained in law to help us with this one? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Here is another good resource, the Department of Justice: >>>>>>> http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/drs/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> One question I have is, why aren't ALL voting machines accessible? >>>>>>> It >>>>>>> seems like this is more of a software issue. Would it not be >>>>>>> possible >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> write accessible software to be used on all machines? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> One other thing is that we should encourage people to file a >>>>>>> complaint >>>>>>> if >>>>>>> they have these aforementioned problems this year and in the future. >>>> We >>>>>>> (the NFB) should provide information on that, as well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> While I think this is a concern for the whole NFB on a national >>>>>>> level, >>>> I >>>>>>> think as students, we are in a good spot to target new voters and >>>>>>> college >>>>>>> students who have not voted before. Maybe we could draft a brochure >>>>>>> about >>>>>>> rights and responsibilities and general information (maybe even for >>>>>>> people >>>>>>> who aren't blind but are disabled?) and make sure it gets >>>>>>> distributed >>>> at >>>>>>> voter registration drives going on campus. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cindy also makes a good point about getting to the voting place. >>>>>>> Also, >>>>>>> this will become even more difficult in many states that require >>>>>>> valid >>>>>>> state IDs (like TN, AL, AR, etc.). How should we deal with this? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>>>>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Cynthia Bennett >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Stephanie: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That is a great idea. I had a similar experience as Josh as I voted >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> my first election. They were the 2008 primaries, and I was very >>>>>>>> excited. When the machine did not work, I asked a poll worker to >>>>>>>> assist me. They filled in the ballot as I wished, but the worker >>>>>>>> did >>>>>>>> make some comments about their preference on a politician. This >>>>>>>> occured when I said that I did not want to vote for a particular >>>>>>>> office, because I was unfamiliar with any of the candidates. I said >>>>>>>> something like, "I don't want to fill in anything for this," and >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> worker responded with "Oh, I heard that ___ is pretty good. Do you >>>>>>>> want me to fill in his/her name?" I chose to still not vote for >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> particular office. This practice is illegal, and I chose not to say >>>>>>>> anything about it. But I do think that an informational call about >>>>>>>> rights and accessible voting machines would be awesome. >>>>>>>> Unfortunately, >>>>>>>> each state is a little different, but information about federal >>>>>>>> mandates on the presence of accessible voting machines/rights and >>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>> typical patterns in accessible voting in states would be great. For >>>>>>>> example, Washington conducts mail ballots. There are a few >>>>>>>> precincts >>>>>>>> around town, but if you work in a neighborhood in which it takes a >>>>>>>> while to get to a precinct, you are at a disadvantage as a blind >>>>>>>> person. So, you can either take off work and use public >>>>>>>> transportation >>>>>>>> to navigate to one of the few and very busy precincts and wait in a >>>>>>>> 3-hour line, or you can find a reader and disclose your voting >>>>>>>> preferences. The other animal in this issue is that if you choose >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> get a reader to fill out your signature does not match the >>>>>>>> signature >>>>>>>> on your state ID which is kept on file, then your ballot can be >>>>>>>> deemed >>>>>>>> as false and not counted. As a blind person, I do the best I can >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>> my signature, but I do think that even the most ambitious blind >>>>>>>> people >>>>>>>> are at a disadvantage when having to match a signature, and our >>>>>>>> ballots could not be counted, and we may not hear about it, or we >>>>>>>> would learn of it after elections are closed. If we are afraid that >>>>>>>> our signature may not match that of our state ID, then we can have >>>>>>>> 2 >>>>>>>> witnesses sign. But that is 2 more people that have to see my >>>>>>>> ballot. >>>>>>>> I do not think that this practice is common within the states, and >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> would definitely not like my experience to dominate the nature of >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> call, but I wanted to relay it to show that I think this is a very >>>>>>>> good idea. I would personally like some professional/legal >>>>>>>> advice/legal suggestions on how this can be changed. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So, if you have any suggestions on people to conduct this call, or >>>>>>>> resources for where this information can be found, please share it. >>>>>>>> If >>>>>>>> not, the membership committee will certainly take the initiative to >>>>>>>> conduct an informative call if we do in fact decide to pursue this >>>>>>>> topic. But I wanted to make sure that since you made the >>>>>>>> suggestion, >>>>>>>> you are welcome to provide suggestions on people to conduct the >>>>>>>> call. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I know that someone comes to each NC state convention with an >>>>>>>> accessible voting machine to show in the exhibit hall. During this >>>>>>>> time, people can vote in a fake election and orient themselves to >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> machine. I am not sure if NC is still doing this since it has been >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> few years since the accessible machines were introduced, but I >>>>>>>> think >>>>>>>> there is still a need for outreach about accessible voting. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Keep the good membership call suggestions coming! >>>>>>>> Cindy >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 8/27/12, Joshua Lester >>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hi, Stephanie! >>>>>>>>> That's a great idea! >>>>>>>>> I went to my voting site, earlier this year, and the machine >>>>>>>>> didn't >>>>>>>> work. >>>>>>>>> My Disability Rights person that works for the governor, here >>>>>>>>> said >>>>>>>> he'd come >>>>>>>>> down, to show them how to work it, but he never showed up! >>>>>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>>>>> ________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on >>>> behalf >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> Stephanie DeLuca [sjhhirst at gmail.com] >>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 2:53 PM >>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS Membership Call Survey >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I think a discussion on voting as people with disabilities would >>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>> good. >>>>>>>>> Since a lot of people are on college campuses, it'd be a good >>>>>>>> opportunity to >>>>>>>>> get involved with informing people with disabilities (mainly VI) >>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>> rights and responsibilities for voting. I've been to/worked at >>>>>>>>> several >>>>>>>>> voter registration drives, and I have NEVER seen information on >>>>>>>>> voting >>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>> you have a disability. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Aug 27, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Cody Bair >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi All, >>>>>>>>>> As you are probably already aware, NABS conducts monthly >>>>>>>>>> membership >>>>>>>> calls. >>>>>>>>>> In order to get this school year started we are currently >>>>>>>>>> seeking >>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>> input on what topics you would like to see us cover this year. >>>>>>>>>> Please >>>>>>>>>> either reply directly to this thread with your suggestions or >>>>>>>>>> mail >>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>>> directly to >>>>>>>>>> Nabs.membership at gmail.com >>>>>>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>>>>>> The NABS membership Committee >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>>>>>>> info >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Cynthia Bennett >>>>>>>> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> clb5590 at gmail.com >>>>>>>> 828.989.5383 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Cynthia Bennett >>>> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >>>> >>>> clb5590 at gmail.com >>>> 828.989.5383 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From steve.jacobson at visi.com Tue Aug 28 18:22:16 2012 From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 13:22:16 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] ID's and Voting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: One problem with a stamp is that if it is stolen, the person posessing it has your official signature. I know each of us has our own set of strengths, but I wouldn't think memorizing how to write a signature would be all that hard for most of us. It does take a bit of practice, I grant you that. Best regards, Steve Jacobson On Mon, 27 Aug 2012 23:15:47 -0600, Arielle Silverman wrote: >Hi all, >I think it is fair for a blind person to need to get a state ID card >or non-driving license. Going to the DMV sucks but it sucks for >sighted people too. Having some kind of legal identification is just >part of living in this country as an adult and enables us to >participate in all the same activities as those with drivers' >licenses, including flying on airplanes and passing the age test to >buy alcohol (I don't think student ID is acceptable for either of >these things, whether you are sighted or blind). I do, however, agree >that requiring a blind person to give a signature that matches one on >file is probably unfair even if it is not intended to be >discriminatory. A blind person could get around this by signing with a >stamp, though I'm not sure how long those last. >Arielle >On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: >> Hm my main concern with the IDs is that people have to get to the DMV >> somehow. In places like Nashville, that's not exactly straightforward. I >> guess they could take a cab? It just sucks because, I think before, people >> could just use a student ID (speaking about our own age group). Now, the >> states have made it more difficult than it already was. >> >> Rhode Island has an interesting approach to this (and someone correct me if >> I'm wrong). If you don't have a state ID on you at the polling place, you >> can sign an affidavit of identity, which basically just certifies that you >> are who you say you are. I like this idea (well, except for the whole >> signature thing, which I had never thought about). >> >> http://www.ncsl.org/legislatures-elections/elections/voter-id.aspx >> >> >> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Cynthia Bennett >> wrote: >> >>> Stephanie: >>> >>> This is great informaition. Thanks for going so much in depth. >>> >>> The ID issue is the easiest. I don't know of a state that doesn't >>> offer a nondriving photo ID. This can be obtained wherever you would >>> go to get your driver's license. It looks just like and contains all >>> of the information that a driver's license contains. It is a >>> legitimate form of ID. I had no problems at the precincts in NC when I >>> showed my photo ID. >>> >>> Where ID's relate to my concern is that when you get your ID, you have >>> to sign the bottom. The DMV that I went to had an electronic pad that >>> you sign with a stylus. I typically like to place a finger down on a >>> paper to orient myself before I write my signature. But touching the >>> electronic pad made a finger print. After a few unsuccessful tries, >>> the agent gave me an index card, and they elected to process my >>> signature the old way. This was helpful, but even though I have been >>> signing my name since I was 7, I really don't have any way of knowing >>> if I have signed my name exactly the way it looks on my state ID; this >>> signature is kept on file with the state so they don't actually have >>> to look at your ID to see it. I know that the intentions of this are >>> good and in place to prevent voter fraud, but as a blind person, I >>> feel like it pretty much gives me no choice but to find 2 witnesses to >>> sign my ballot and varify my signature, and I think that is unfair >>> since a sighted person can fill out their ballot independently and >>> forego the long precinct lines since they are located far and few >>> between due to the mailed-out ballots being the primary method used >>> for voting. >>> >>> I'm sure the membership committee will look at all of this information >>> and decide if this call is a good idea, which I think we will, and we >>> will work to find appropriate people to conduct the call. Thanks so >>> much for the information. It was really great to read. >>> >>> And, I go by Cindy so that's fine. >>> >>> Cindy >>> >>> On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: >>> > This website is very informative. The following link takes you to a >>> > page >>> > where they have links to several laws relevant to people with >>> disabilities. >>> > >>> > http://www.section508.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=Laws >>> > >>> > In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>> > ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>> > >>> > >>> > On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca >>> > wrote: >>> > >>> >> Heh, I mean Cynthia, sorry! >>> >> >>> >> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>> >> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca >>> >> wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> I'm excited to see that other people support the idea of getting >>> >>> involved >>> >>> but sad to admit that it's a problem. >>> >>> >>> >>> My story is this: In 2008, I went for early voting at one of the >>> >>> designated places in Nashville. When it was my turn, they designated >>> >>> a >>> >>> polling machine to me. Before I began the process, I asked about >>> >>> assisted >>> >>> voting. Maybe I should have asked about accessible polling machines? >>> >>> Anyway, he just said he'd have to help me and that was the only >>> >>> option >>> >>> I >>> >>> had. I turned him down and went through the process myself (I do >>> >>> have >>> >>> some >>> >>> vision). >>> >>> >>> >>> It seems that the voting issues fall into a few categories: >>> >>> 1) lack of knowledge of rights/responsibilities on behalf of the >>> >>> voter >>> >>> 2) lack of training and knowledge of polling staff >>> >>> 3) lack of a functioning accessible voting machine on site >>> >>> 4) difficult-to-follow tutorials/instructions for the accessible >>> machine >>> >>> >>> >>> For me, numbers 1 and 2 seem to be the biggest problems. How do we >>> >>> get >>> >>> the word out and how do we insure that the people at the polling >>> >>> places >>> >>> are >>> >>> trained and that there is a funcitoning machine available? >>> >>> >>> >>> I like the idea about having demos. Barring that, would it be >>> >>> possible >>> >>> to record a tutorial and post it online? Maybe by someone who has >>> >>> used >>> >>> it >>> >>> recently? I've heard that the tutorial provided at the polling place >>> is >>> >>> often not straightforward or easy to follow and that a blind user >>> >>> could >>> >>> do >>> >>> a better job haha >>> >>> >>> >>> I think we should at the very least inform people of their rights. I >>> >>> think finding the federal law wouldn't be too hard, but some rules >>> >>> vary >>> >>> state by state. I'm having trouble tracking down the information for >>> >>> TN, >>> >>> for example. Anyway, here is the federal law (I think). >>> >>> >>> >>> *Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act* >>> >>> >>> >>> The Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act of 1984 >>> >>> generally requires polling places across the United States to be >>> >>> physically >>> >>> accessible to people with disabilities for federal elections. Where >>> >>> no >>> >>> accessible location is available to serve as a polling place, a >>> >>> political >>> >>> subdivision must provide an alternate means of casting a ballot on >>> >>> the >>> >>> day >>> >>> of the election. This law also requires states to make available >>> >>> registration and voting aids for disabled and elderly voters, >>> >>> including >>> >>> information by TTYs (also known as TDDs) or similar devices. For more >>> >>> information, contact: >>> >>> >>> >>> U.S. Department of Justice >>> >>> Civil Rights Division >>> >>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >>> >>> Voting Section - 1800 G >>> >>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >>> >>> >>> >>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *National Voter Registration Act* >>> >>> >>> >>> The National Voter Registration Act of 1993, also known as the "Motor >>> >>> Voter Act," makes it easier for all Americans to exercise their >>> >>> fundamental >>> >>> right to vote. One of the basic purposes of the Act is to increase >>> >>> the >>> >>> historically low registration rates of minorities and persons with >>> >>> disabilities that have resulted from discrimination. The Motor Voter >>> Act >>> >>> requires all offices of State-funded programs that are primarily >>> engaged >>> >>> in >>> >>> providing services to persons with disabilities to provide all >>> >>> program >>> >>> applicants with voter registration forms, to assist them in >>> >>> completing >>> >>> the >>> >>> forms, and to transmit completed forms to the appropriate State >>> >>> official. >>> >>> For more information, contact: >>> >>> >>> >>> U.S. Department of Justice >>> >>> Civil Rights Division >>> >>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >>> >>> Voting Section - 1800 G >>> >>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >>> >>> >>> >>> www.usdoj.gov/crt/voting >>> >>> >>> >>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >>> >>> >>> >>> It seems that the NFB has a lot of lawyers. Is it possible for us to >>> >>> get >>> >>> someone trained in law to help us with this one? >>> >>> >>> >>> Here is another good resource, the Department of Justice: >>> >>> http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/drs/ >>> >>> >>> >>> One question I have is, why aren't ALL voting machines accessible? >>> >>> It >>> >>> seems like this is more of a software issue. Would it not be >>> >>> possible >>> >>> to >>> >>> write accessible software to be used on all machines? >>> >>> >>> >>> One other thing is that we should encourage people to file a >>> >>> complaint >>> >>> if >>> >>> they have these aforementioned problems this year and in the future. >>> We >>> >>> (the NFB) should provide information on that, as well. >>> >>> >>> >>> While I think this is a concern for the whole NFB on a national >>> >>> level, >>> I >>> >>> think as students, we are in a good spot to target new voters and >>> >>> college >>> >>> students who have not voted before. Maybe we could draft a brochure >>> >>> about >>> >>> rights and responsibilities and general information (maybe even for >>> >>> people >>> >>> who aren't blind but are disabled?) and make sure it gets distributed >>> at >>> >>> voter registration drives going on campus. >>> >>> >>> >>> Cindy also makes a good point about getting to the voting place. >>> >>> Also, >>> >>> this will become even more difficult in many states that require >>> >>> valid >>> >>> state IDs (like TN, AL, AR, etc.). How should we deal with this? >>> >>> >>> >>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>> >>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Cynthia Bennett >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Stephanie: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> That is a great idea. I had a similar experience as Josh as I voted >>> >>>> in >>> >>>> my first election. They were the 2008 primaries, and I was very >>> >>>> excited. When the machine did not work, I asked a poll worker to >>> >>>> assist me. They filled in the ballot as I wished, but the worker did >>> >>>> make some comments about their preference on a politician. This >>> >>>> occured when I said that I did not want to vote for a particular >>> >>>> office, because I was unfamiliar with any of the candidates. I said >>> >>>> something like, "I don't want to fill in anything for this," and the >>> >>>> worker responded with "Oh, I heard that ___ is pretty good. Do you >>> >>>> want me to fill in his/her name?" I chose to still not vote for that >>> >>>> particular office. This practice is illegal, and I chose not to say >>> >>>> anything about it. But I do think that an informational call about >>> >>>> rights and accessible voting machines would be awesome. >>> >>>> Unfortunately, >>> >>>> each state is a little different, but information about federal >>> >>>> mandates on the presence of accessible voting machines/rights and >>> >>>> some >>> >>>> typical patterns in accessible voting in states would be great. For >>> >>>> example, Washington conducts mail ballots. There are a few precincts >>> >>>> around town, but if you work in a neighborhood in which it takes a >>> >>>> while to get to a precinct, you are at a disadvantage as a blind >>> >>>> person. So, you can either take off work and use public >>> >>>> transportation >>> >>>> to navigate to one of the few and very busy precincts and wait in a >>> >>>> 3-hour line, or you can find a reader and disclose your voting >>> >>>> preferences. The other animal in this issue is that if you choose to >>> >>>> get a reader to fill out your signature does not match the signature >>> >>>> on your state ID which is kept on file, then your ballot can be >>> >>>> deemed >>> >>>> as false and not counted. As a blind person, I do the best I can >>> >>>> with >>> >>>> my signature, but I do think that even the most ambitious blind >>> >>>> people >>> >>>> are at a disadvantage when having to match a signature, and our >>> >>>> ballots could not be counted, and we may not hear about it, or we >>> >>>> would learn of it after elections are closed. If we are afraid that >>> >>>> our signature may not match that of our state ID, then we can have 2 >>> >>>> witnesses sign. But that is 2 more people that have to see my >>> >>>> ballot. >>> >>>> I do not think that this practice is common within the states, and I >>> >>>> would definitely not like my experience to dominate the nature of >>> >>>> the >>> >>>> call, but I wanted to relay it to show that I think this is a very >>> >>>> good idea. I would personally like some professional/legal >>> >>>> advice/legal suggestions on how this can be changed. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> So, if you have any suggestions on people to conduct this call, or >>> >>>> resources for where this information can be found, please share it. >>> >>>> If >>> >>>> not, the membership committee will certainly take the initiative to >>> >>>> conduct an informative call if we do in fact decide to pursue this >>> >>>> topic. But I wanted to make sure that since you made the suggestion, >>> >>>> you are welcome to provide suggestions on people to conduct the >>> >>>> call. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> I know that someone comes to each NC state convention with an >>> >>>> accessible voting machine to show in the exhibit hall. During this >>> >>>> time, people can vote in a fake election and orient themselves to >>> >>>> the >>> >>>> machine. I am not sure if NC is still doing this since it has been a >>> >>>> few years since the accessible machines were introduced, but I think >>> >>>> there is still a need for outreach about accessible voting. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Keep the good membership call suggestions coming! >>> >>>> Cindy >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On 8/27/12, Joshua Lester >>> wrote: >>> >>>> > Hi, Stephanie! >>> >>>> > That's a great idea! >>> >>>> > I went to my voting site, earlier this year, and the machine >>> >>>> > didn't >>> >>>> work. >>> >>>> > My Disability Rights person that works for the governor, here said >>> >>>> he'd come >>> >>>> > down, to show them how to work it, but he never showed up! >>> >>>> > Thanks, Joshua >>> >>>> > ________________________________________ >>> >>>> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on >>> behalf >>> >>>> of >>> >>>> > Stephanie DeLuca [sjhhirst at gmail.com] >>> >>>> > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 2:53 PM >>> >>>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS Membership Call Survey >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > I think a discussion on voting as people with disabilities would >>> >>>> > be >>> >>>> good. >>> >>>> > Since a lot of people are on college campuses, it'd be a good >>> >>>> opportunity to >>> >>>> > get involved with informing people with disabilities (mainly VI) >>> >>>> > about >>> >>>> > rights and responsibilities for voting. I've been to/worked at >>> >>>> > several >>> >>>> > voter registration drives, and I have NEVER seen information on >>> >>>> > voting >>> >>>> if >>> >>>> > you have a disability. >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > On Aug 27, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Cody Bair >>> >>>> > wrote: >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >> Hi All, >>> >>>> >> As you are probably already aware, NABS conducts monthly >>> >>>> >> membership >>> >>>> calls. >>> >>>> >> In order to get this school year started we are currently seeking >>> >>>> >> your >>> >>>> >> input on what topics you would like to see us cover this year. >>> >>>> >> Please >>> >>>> >> either reply directly to this thread with your suggestions or >>> >>>> >> mail >>> >>>> them >>> >>>> >> directly to >>> >>>> >> Nabs.membership at gmail.com >>> >>>> >> Sincerely, >>> >>>> >> The NABS membership Committee >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>> >> nabs-l mailing list >>> >>>> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>>> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> >>>> >> for >>> >>>> >> nabs-l: >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>> >>>> > nabs-l mailing list >>> >>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> >>>> > nabs-l: >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>> >>>> > nabs-l mailing list >>> >>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> >>>> > nabs-l: >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> -- >>> >>>> Cynthia Bennett >>> >>>> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >>> >>>> >>> >>>> clb5590 at gmail.com >>> >>>> 828.989.5383 >>> >>>> >>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>> >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> >>>> for >>> >>>> nabs-l: >>> >>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > nabs-l mailing list >>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> > nabs-l: >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >>> > >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Cynthia Bennett >>> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >>> >>> clb5590 at gmail.com >>> 828.989.5383 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com From steve.jacobson at visi.com Tue Aug 28 18:26:49 2012 From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 13:26:49 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] ID's and Voting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The biggest problem with letting your ID expire is if you fly. Once mine expired and I didn't know it because I had been careless, and they threatened me at Logan Airport in boston to take me to the room for people with expired ID's. Really, that's what they said. Fortunately, I had another ID with a picture on it for my job, and they accepted that together with my expired ID and I did not have to find out what happens in the room for people with expired ID's. Many ID's list your eye color as part of the information captured about you. My guess is that is why there is pressure to open one's eyes. Best regards, Steve Jacobson On Tue, 28 Aug 2012 01:32:30 -0400, Desiree Oudinot wrote: >Oh yeah, going to the dmv definitely does suck. Not because you have >to wait forever. I can deal with that. What really, and I mean really! >annoys me, is the fact that I am very sensitive to light, so I tend to >squint a lot, or involuntarily close my eyes, especially when I know >something unpleasant is coming like a camera flash. Of course, the >people at the dmv keep trying to get a picture of me with my eyes >open, and are quite rude after the first few tries with no success. I >understand they have a job to do, but it's not exactly something I can >help. It's not like I can wear sunglasses for the picture, that would >be even more unacceptable. I only had to do this process once, and >actually my time to renew is fast approaching. In fact, my ID is very >close to expiring, mostly because I don't really have anyone to take >me to the dmv. what happens if your ID expires? Is that illegal? They >send you a letter with the date to have it done by, so I guess if I >don't somehow get it done in the next few days, I'd like to know if >I'm going to have cops busting down my door or something. >On 8/28/12, Cynthia Bennett wrote: >> Oh I totally agree. And, it is common for sighted people to have >> nondriving licenses since many people who live in cities just don't >> drive. >> >> The stamp is a good idea, and not just for voting. I hadn't thought of >> that. Where would you get a custom stamp made? >> >> Cindy >> >> On 8/27/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> I think it is fair for a blind person to need to get a state ID card >>> or non-driving license. Going to the DMV sucks but it sucks for >>> sighted people too. Having some kind of legal identification is just >>> part of living in this country as an adult and enables us to >>> participate in all the same activities as those with drivers' >>> licenses, including flying on airplanes and passing the age test to >>> buy alcohol (I don't think student ID is acceptable for either of >>> these things, whether you are sighted or blind). I do, however, agree >>> that requiring a blind person to give a signature that matches one on >>> file is probably unfair even if it is not intended to be >>> discriminatory. A blind person could get around this by signing with a >>> stamp, though I'm not sure how long those last. >>> Arielle >>> On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: >>>> Hm my main concern with the IDs is that people have to get to the DMV >>>> somehow. In places like Nashville, that's not exactly straightforward. >>>> I >>>> guess they could take a cab? It just sucks because, I think before, >>>> people >>>> could just use a student ID (speaking about our own age group). Now, >>>> the >>>> states have made it more difficult than it already was. >>>> >>>> Rhode Island has an interesting approach to this (and someone correct me >>>> if >>>> I'm wrong). If you don't have a state ID on you at the polling place, >>>> you >>>> can sign an affidavit of identity, which basically just certifies that >>>> you >>>> are who you say you are. I like this idea (well, except for the whole >>>> signature thing, which I had never thought about). >>>> >>>> http://www.ncsl.org/legislatures-elections/elections/voter-id.aspx >>>> >>>> >>>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Cynthia Bennett >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Stephanie: >>>>> >>>>> This is great informaition. Thanks for going so much in depth. >>>>> >>>>> The ID issue is the easiest. I don't know of a state that doesn't >>>>> offer a nondriving photo ID. This can be obtained wherever you would >>>>> go to get your driver's license. It looks just like and contains all >>>>> of the information that a driver's license contains. It is a >>>>> legitimate form of ID. I had no problems at the precincts in NC when I >>>>> showed my photo ID. >>>>> >>>>> Where ID's relate to my concern is that when you get your ID, you have >>>>> to sign the bottom. The DMV that I went to had an electronic pad that >>>>> you sign with a stylus. I typically like to place a finger down on a >>>>> paper to orient myself before I write my signature. But touching the >>>>> electronic pad made a finger print. After a few unsuccessful tries, >>>>> the agent gave me an index card, and they elected to process my >>>>> signature the old way. This was helpful, but even though I have been >>>>> signing my name since I was 7, I really don't have any way of knowing >>>>> if I have signed my name exactly the way it looks on my state ID; this >>>>> signature is kept on file with the state so they don't actually have >>>>> to look at your ID to see it. I know that the intentions of this are >>>>> good and in place to prevent voter fraud, but as a blind person, I >>>>> feel like it pretty much gives me no choice but to find 2 witnesses to >>>>> sign my ballot and varify my signature, and I think that is unfair >>>>> since a sighted person can fill out their ballot independently and >>>>> forego the long precinct lines since they are located far and few >>>>> between due to the mailed-out ballots being the primary method used >>>>> for voting. >>>>> >>>>> I'm sure the membership committee will look at all of this information >>>>> and decide if this call is a good idea, which I think we will, and we >>>>> will work to find appropriate people to conduct the call. Thanks so >>>>> much for the information. It was really great to read. >>>>> >>>>> And, I go by Cindy so that's fine. >>>>> >>>>> Cindy >>>>> >>>>> On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: >>>>> > This website is very informative. The following link takes you to a >>>>> > page >>>>> > where they have links to several laws relevant to people with >>>>> disabilities. >>>>> > >>>>> > http://www.section508.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=Laws >>>>> > >>>>> > In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>>> > ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> >> Heh, I mean Cynthia, sorry! >>>>> >> >>>>> >> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>>> >> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca >>>>> >> wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >>> I'm excited to see that other people support the idea of getting >>>>> >>> involved >>>>> >>> but sad to admit that it's a problem. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> My story is this: In 2008, I went for early voting at one of the >>>>> >>> designated places in Nashville. When it was my turn, they >>>>> >>> designated >>>>> >>> a >>>>> >>> polling machine to me. Before I began the process, I asked about >>>>> >>> assisted >>>>> >>> voting. Maybe I should have asked about accessible polling >>>>> >>> machines? >>>>> >>> Anyway, he just said he'd have to help me and that was the only >>>>> >>> option >>>>> >>> I >>>>> >>> had. I turned him down and went through the process myself (I do >>>>> >>> have >>>>> >>> some >>>>> >>> vision). >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> It seems that the voting issues fall into a few categories: >>>>> >>> 1) lack of knowledge of rights/responsibilities on behalf of the >>>>> >>> voter >>>>> >>> 2) lack of training and knowledge of polling staff >>>>> >>> 3) lack of a functioning accessible voting machine on site >>>>> >>> 4) difficult-to-follow tutorials/instructions for the accessible >>>>> machine >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> For me, numbers 1 and 2 seem to be the biggest problems. How do we >>>>> >>> get >>>>> >>> the word out and how do we insure that the people at the polling >>>>> >>> places >>>>> >>> are >>>>> >>> trained and that there is a funcitoning machine available? >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> I like the idea about having demos. Barring that, would it be >>>>> >>> possible >>>>> >>> to record a tutorial and post it online? Maybe by someone who has >>>>> >>> used >>>>> >>> it >>>>> >>> recently? I've heard that the tutorial provided at the polling >>>>> >>> place >>>>> is >>>>> >>> often not straightforward or easy to follow and that a blind user >>>>> >>> could >>>>> >>> do >>>>> >>> a better job haha >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> I think we should at the very least inform people of their rights. >>>>> >>> I >>>>> >>> think finding the federal law wouldn't be too hard, but some rules >>>>> >>> vary >>>>> >>> state by state. I'm having trouble tracking down the information >>>>> >>> for >>>>> >>> TN, >>>>> >>> for example. Anyway, here is the federal law (I think). >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> *Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act* >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> The Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act of >>>>> >>> 1984 >>>>> >>> generally requires polling places across the United States to be >>>>> >>> physically >>>>> >>> accessible to people with disabilities for federal elections. Where >>>>> >>> no >>>>> >>> accessible location is available to serve as a polling place, a >>>>> >>> political >>>>> >>> subdivision must provide an alternate means of casting a ballot on >>>>> >>> the >>>>> >>> day >>>>> >>> of the election. This law also requires states to make available >>>>> >>> registration and voting aids for disabled and elderly voters, >>>>> >>> including >>>>> >>> information by TTYs (also known as TDDs) or similar devices. For >>>>> >>> more >>>>> >>> information, contact: >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> U.S. Department of Justice >>>>> >>> Civil Rights Division >>>>> >>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >>>>> >>> Voting Section - 1800 G >>>>> >>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> *National Voter Registration Act* >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> The National Voter Registration Act of 1993, also known as the >>>>> >>> "Motor >>>>> >>> Voter Act," makes it easier for all Americans to exercise their >>>>> >>> fundamental >>>>> >>> right to vote. One of the basic purposes of the Act is to increase >>>>> >>> the >>>>> >>> historically low registration rates of minorities and persons with >>>>> >>> disabilities that have resulted from discrimination. The Motor >>>>> >>> Voter >>>>> Act >>>>> >>> requires all offices of State-funded programs that are primarily >>>>> engaged >>>>> >>> in >>>>> >>> providing services to persons with disabilities to provide all >>>>> >>> program >>>>> >>> applicants with voter registration forms, to assist them in >>>>> >>> completing >>>>> >>> the >>>>> >>> forms, and to transmit completed forms to the appropriate State >>>>> >>> official. >>>>> >>> For more information, contact: >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> U.S. Department of Justice >>>>> >>> Civil Rights Division >>>>> >>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >>>>> >>> Voting Section - 1800 G >>>>> >>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> www.usdoj.gov/crt/voting >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> It seems that the NFB has a lot of lawyers. Is it possible for us >>>>> >>> to >>>>> >>> get >>>>> >>> someone trained in law to help us with this one? >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Here is another good resource, the Department of Justice: >>>>> >>> http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/drs/ >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> One question I have is, why aren't ALL voting machines accessible? >>>>> >>> It >>>>> >>> seems like this is more of a software issue. Would it not be >>>>> >>> possible >>>>> >>> to >>>>> >>> write accessible software to be used on all machines? >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> One other thing is that we should encourage people to file a >>>>> >>> complaint >>>>> >>> if >>>>> >>> they have these aforementioned problems this year and in the >>>>> >>> future. >>>>> We >>>>> >>> (the NFB) should provide information on that, as well. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> While I think this is a concern for the whole NFB on a national >>>>> >>> level, >>>>> I >>>>> >>> think as students, we are in a good spot to target new voters and >>>>> >>> college >>>>> >>> students who have not voted before. Maybe we could draft a >>>>> >>> brochure >>>>> >>> about >>>>> >>> rights and responsibilities and general information (maybe even for >>>>> >>> people >>>>> >>> who aren't blind but are disabled?) and make sure it gets >>>>> >>> distributed >>>>> at >>>>> >>> voter registration drives going on campus. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Cindy also makes a good point about getting to the voting place. >>>>> >>> Also, >>>>> >>> this will become even more difficult in many states that require >>>>> >>> valid >>>>> >>> state IDs (like TN, AL, AR, etc.). How should we deal with this? >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>>> >>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Cynthia Bennett >>>>> >>> wrote: >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>>> Stephanie: >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> That is a great idea. I had a similar experience as Josh as I >>>>> >>>> voted >>>>> >>>> in >>>>> >>>> my first election. They were the 2008 primaries, and I was very >>>>> >>>> excited. When the machine did not work, I asked a poll worker to >>>>> >>>> assist me. They filled in the ballot as I wished, but the worker >>>>> >>>> did >>>>> >>>> make some comments about their preference on a politician. This >>>>> >>>> occured when I said that I did not want to vote for a particular >>>>> >>>> office, because I was unfamiliar with any of the candidates. I >>>>> >>>> said >>>>> >>>> something like, "I don't want to fill in anything for this," and >>>>> >>>> the >>>>> >>>> worker responded with "Oh, I heard that ___ is pretty good. Do you >>>>> >>>> want me to fill in his/her name?" I chose to still not vote for >>>>> >>>> that >>>>> >>>> particular office. This practice is illegal, and I chose not to >>>>> >>>> say >>>>> >>>> anything about it. But I do think that an informational call about >>>>> >>>> rights and accessible voting machines would be awesome. >>>>> >>>> Unfortunately, >>>>> >>>> each state is a little different, but information about federal >>>>> >>>> mandates on the presence of accessible voting machines/rights and >>>>> >>>> some >>>>> >>>> typical patterns in accessible voting in states would be great. >>>>> >>>> For >>>>> >>>> example, Washington conducts mail ballots. There are a few >>>>> >>>> precincts >>>>> >>>> around town, but if you work in a neighborhood in which it takes a >>>>> >>>> while to get to a precinct, you are at a disadvantage as a blind >>>>> >>>> person. So, you can either take off work and use public >>>>> >>>> transportation >>>>> >>>> to navigate to one of the few and very busy precincts and wait in >>>>> >>>> a >>>>> >>>> 3-hour line, or you can find a reader and disclose your voting >>>>> >>>> preferences. The other animal in this issue is that if you choose >>>>> >>>> to >>>>> >>>> get a reader to fill out your signature does not match the >>>>> >>>> signature >>>>> >>>> on your state ID which is kept on file, then your ballot can be >>>>> >>>> deemed >>>>> >>>> as false and not counted. As a blind person, I do the best I can >>>>> >>>> with >>>>> >>>> my signature, but I do think that even the most ambitious blind >>>>> >>>> people >>>>> >>>> are at a disadvantage when having to match a signature, and our >>>>> >>>> ballots could not be counted, and we may not hear about it, or we >>>>> >>>> would learn of it after elections are closed. If we are afraid >>>>> >>>> that >>>>> >>>> our signature may not match that of our state ID, then we can have >>>>> >>>> 2 >>>>> >>>> witnesses sign. But that is 2 more people that have to see my >>>>> >>>> ballot. >>>>> >>>> I do not think that this practice is common within the states, and >>>>> >>>> I >>>>> >>>> would definitely not like my experience to dominate the nature of >>>>> >>>> the >>>>> >>>> call, but I wanted to relay it to show that I think this is a very >>>>> >>>> good idea. I would personally like some professional/legal >>>>> >>>> advice/legal suggestions on how this can be changed. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> So, if you have any suggestions on people to conduct this call, or >>>>> >>>> resources for where this information can be found, please share >>>>> >>>> it. >>>>> >>>> If >>>>> >>>> not, the membership committee will certainly take the initiative >>>>> >>>> to >>>>> >>>> conduct an informative call if we do in fact decide to pursue this >>>>> >>>> topic. But I wanted to make sure that since you made the >>>>> >>>> suggestion, >>>>> >>>> you are welcome to provide suggestions on people to conduct the >>>>> >>>> call. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> I know that someone comes to each NC state convention with an >>>>> >>>> accessible voting machine to show in the exhibit hall. During this >>>>> >>>> time, people can vote in a fake election and orient themselves to >>>>> >>>> the >>>>> >>>> machine. I am not sure if NC is still doing this since it has been >>>>> >>>> a >>>>> >>>> few years since the accessible machines were introduced, but I >>>>> >>>> think >>>>> >>>> there is still a need for outreach about accessible voting. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> Keep the good membership call suggestions coming! >>>>> >>>> Cindy >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> On 8/27/12, Joshua Lester >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>> > Hi, Stephanie! >>>>> >>>> > That's a great idea! >>>>> >>>> > I went to my voting site, earlier this year, and the machine >>>>> >>>> > didn't >>>>> >>>> work. >>>>> >>>> > My Disability Rights person that works for the governor, here >>>>> >>>> > said >>>>> >>>> he'd come >>>>> >>>> > down, to show them how to work it, but he never showed up! >>>>> >>>> > Thanks, Joshua >>>>> >>>> > ________________________________________ >>>>> >>>> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on >>>>> behalf >>>>> >>>> of >>>>> >>>> > Stephanie DeLuca [sjhhirst at gmail.com] >>>>> >>>> > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 2:53 PM >>>>> >>>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> >>>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS Membership Call Survey >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>> > I think a discussion on voting as people with disabilities would >>>>> >>>> > be >>>>> >>>> good. >>>>> >>>> > Since a lot of people are on college campuses, it'd be a good >>>>> >>>> opportunity to >>>>> >>>> > get involved with informing people with disabilities (mainly VI) >>>>> >>>> > about >>>>> >>>> > rights and responsibilities for voting. I've been to/worked at >>>>> >>>> > several >>>>> >>>> > voter registration drives, and I have NEVER seen information on >>>>> >>>> > voting >>>>> >>>> if >>>>> >>>> > you have a disability. >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>> > On Aug 27, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Cody Bair >>>>> >>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>> >> Hi All, >>>>> >>>> >> As you are probably already aware, NABS conducts monthly >>>>> >>>> >> membership >>>>> >>>> calls. >>>>> >>>> >> In order to get this school year started we are currently >>>>> >>>> >> seeking >>>>> >>>> >> your >>>>> >>>> >> input on what topics you would like to see us cover this year. >>>>> >>>> >> Please >>>>> >>>> >> either reply directly to this thread with your suggestions or >>>>> >>>> >> mail >>>>> >>>> them >>>>> >>>> >> directly to >>>>> >>>> >> Nabs.membership at gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >> Sincerely, >>>>> >>>> >> The NABS membership Committee >>>>> >>>> >> >>>>> >>>> >> >>>>> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>> >> nabs-l 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unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com From clb5590 at gmail.com Tue Aug 28 18:39:03 2012 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cynthia Bennett) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 11:39:03 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Voting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Scott for that info. That is very helpful. Brandon: Different states do voter registration differently. I would Google "register to vote (insert your state)." And you'll probably find some information. I know that when I moved to Seattle, I registered to vote when I got my state ID. There are usually several ways and places to register to vote. I know that with Washington, if I already had a state ID, I could have done it online. I just would have had to know my state ID number. So that might be an easy option. I don't know what to tell you when it comes to the braille ballot though. Arielle was the first person I had ever heard to talk about such a ballot. I will say though that when the accessible voting machines work, they are convenient. I know that some people have talked about a confusing interface, but I honestly found it to be pretty straight forward. Again though, there could be state differences. Perhaps you could research what precinct you will vote at, see if you can find a contact online and inquire about their accessible voting machine. Cindy On 8/28/12, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: > Hello, > I am needing to register, how do I request the Braille ballot? > Thank you, > > Brandon Keith Biggs > -----Original Message----- > From: Arielle Silverman > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 9:08 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Voting > > When I voted for the first time in 2004 (before Help America Vote Act, > HAVA, went into effect) I was living in Arizona and I used a mail-in > Braille ballot. I was able to complete the entire process > independently and I marked my answers on the ballot by circling them > with a pen. I may have had to sign something but my signature was > never matched against anything and as far as I know, my vote was > counted properly (though my vote never really counts in AZ, but I > digress). Do any other states offer accessible Braille ballots? I > think it's an awesome idea and was surprised that Colorado apparently > does not have them. > When I voted again in 2006, I went to the poll excited about using an > accessible voting machine, but the machine was nonfunctional. My > mother and I had gone to the poll together and I was comfortable > having her fill out my ballot, so I did that to ensure my vote went > through. In that year the voting machines were brand-new and I > reported the problem to an NFB committee that was collecting reports > about the successful implementation of the HAVA regulations. I have > used the voting machines in CO with no major issues. I am shocked and > exasperated that people are still having problems getting the talking > machines to work even four years after HAVA went into effect. It is > also disturbing that a poll worker would suggest who to vote for when > filling out a ballot as a reader and it makes me worry that some poll > workers might be altering the votes of the people they assist. > It might be good for someone in NABS leadership or on the membership > committee to contact someone at national to find out what is currently > happening with accessible voting and what the major issues are. I > agree an informational call about how to use the voting machines, and > what our rights are as blind voters, might be helpful for NABS > members, although this of course is not just a student issue. > Nevertheless, young folks voting for the first time could uniquely > benefit from this info. > Arielle > > On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: >> This website is very informative. The following link takes you to a page >> where they have links to several laws relevant to people with >> disabilities. >> >> http://www.section508.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=Laws >> >> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca >> wrote: >> >>> Heh, I mean Cynthia, sorry! >>> >>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I'm excited to see that other people support the idea of getting >>>> involved >>>> but sad to admit that it's a problem. >>>> >>>> My story is this: In 2008, I went for early voting at one of the >>>> designated places in Nashville. When it was my turn, they designated a >>>> polling machine to me. Before I began the process, I asked about >>>> assisted >>>> voting. Maybe I should have asked about accessible polling machines? >>>> Anyway, he just said he'd have to help me and that was the only option >>>> I >>>> had. I turned him down and went through the process myself (I do have >>>> some >>>> vision). >>>> >>>> It seems that the voting issues fall into a few categories: >>>> 1) lack of knowledge of rights/responsibilities on behalf of the voter >>>> 2) lack of training and knowledge of polling staff >>>> 3) lack of a functioning accessible voting machine on site >>>> 4) difficult-to-follow tutorials/instructions for the accessible >>>> machine >>>> >>>> For me, numbers 1 and 2 seem to be the biggest problems. How do we get >>>> the word out and how do we insure that the people at the polling places >>>> are >>>> trained and that there is a funcitoning machine available? >>>> >>>> I like the idea about having demos. Barring that, would it be possible >>>> to record a tutorial and post it online? Maybe by someone who has used >>>> it >>>> recently? I've heard that the tutorial provided at the polling place >>>> is >>>> often not straightforward or easy to follow and that a blind user could >>>> do >>>> a better job haha >>>> >>>> I think we should at the very least inform people of their rights. I >>>> think finding the federal law wouldn't be too hard, but some rules vary >>>> state by state. I'm having trouble tracking down the information for >>>> TN, >>>> for example. Anyway, here is the federal law (I think). >>>> >>>> *Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act* >>>> >>>> The Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act of 1984 >>>> generally requires polling places across the United States to be >>>> physically >>>> accessible to people with disabilities for federal elections. Where no >>>> accessible location is available to serve as a polling place, a >>>> political >>>> subdivision must provide an alternate means of casting a ballot on the >>>> day >>>> of the election. This law also requires states to make available >>>> registration and voting aids for disabled and elderly voters, including >>>> information by TTYs (also known as TDDs) or similar devices. For more >>>> information, contact: >>>> >>>> U.S. Department of Justice >>>> Civil Rights Division >>>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >>>> Voting Section - 1800 G >>>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >>>> >>>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *National Voter Registration Act* >>>> >>>> The National Voter Registration Act of 1993, also known as the "Motor >>>> Voter Act," makes it easier for all Americans to exercise their >>>> fundamental >>>> right to vote. One of the basic purposes of the Act is to increase the >>>> historically low registration rates of minorities and persons with >>>> disabilities that have resulted from discrimination. The Motor Voter >>>> Act >>>> requires all offices of State-funded programs that are primarily >>>> engaged >>>> in >>>> providing services to persons with disabilities to provide all program >>>> applicants with voter registration forms, to assist them in completing >>>> the >>>> forms, and to transmit completed forms to the appropriate State >>>> official. >>>> For more information, contact: >>>> >>>> U.S. Department of Justice >>>> Civil Rights Division >>>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >>>> Voting Section - 1800 G >>>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >>>> >>>> www.usdoj.gov/crt/voting >>>> >>>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >>>> >>>> It seems that the NFB has a lot of lawyers. Is it possible for us to >>>> get >>>> someone trained in law to help us with this one? >>>> >>>> Here is another good resource, the Department of Justice: >>>> http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/drs/ >>>> >>>> One question I have is, why aren't ALL voting machines accessible? It >>>> seems like this is more of a software issue. Would it not be possible >>>> to >>>> write accessible software to be used on all machines? >>>> >>>> One other thing is that we should encourage people to file a complaint >>>> if >>>> they have these aforementioned problems this year and in the future. >>>> We >>>> (the NFB) should provide information on that, as well. >>>> >>>> While I think this is a concern for the whole NFB on a national level, >>>> I >>>> think as students, we are in a good spot to target new voters and >>>> college >>>> students who have not voted before. Maybe we could draft a brochure >>>> about >>>> rights and responsibilities and general information (maybe even for >>>> people >>>> who aren't blind but are disabled?) and make sure it gets distributed >>>> at >>>> voter registration drives going on campus. >>>> >>>> Cindy also makes a good point about getting to the voting place. Also, >>>> this will become even more difficult in many states that require valid >>>> state IDs (like TN, AL, AR, etc.). How should we deal with this? >>>> >>>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Cynthia Bennett >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Stephanie: >>>>> >>>>> That is a great idea. I had a similar experience as Josh as I voted in >>>>> my first election. They were the 2008 primaries, and I was very >>>>> excited. When the machine did not work, I asked a poll worker to >>>>> assist me. They filled in the ballot as I wished, but the worker did >>>>> make some comments about their preference on a politician. This >>>>> occured when I said that I did not want to vote for a particular >>>>> office, because I was unfamiliar with any of the candidates. I said >>>>> something like, "I don't want to fill in anything for this," and the >>>>> worker responded with "Oh, I heard that ___ is pretty good. Do you >>>>> want me to fill in his/her name?" I chose to still not vote for that >>>>> particular office. This practice is illegal, and I chose not to say >>>>> anything about it. But I do think that an informational call about >>>>> rights and accessible voting machines would be awesome. Unfortunately, >>>>> each state is a little different, but information about federal >>>>> mandates on the presence of accessible voting machines/rights and some >>>>> typical patterns in accessible voting in states would be great. For >>>>> example, Washington conducts mail ballots. There are a few precincts >>>>> around town, but if you work in a neighborhood in which it takes a >>>>> while to get to a precinct, you are at a disadvantage as a blind >>>>> person. So, you can either take off work and use public transportation >>>>> to navigate to one of the few and very busy precincts and wait in a >>>>> 3-hour line, or you can find a reader and disclose your voting >>>>> preferences. The other animal in this issue is that if you choose to >>>>> get a reader to fill out your signature does not match the signature >>>>> on your state ID which is kept on file, then your ballot can be deemed >>>>> as false and not counted. As a blind person, I do the best I can with >>>>> my signature, but I do think that even the most ambitious blind people >>>>> are at a disadvantage when having to match a signature, and our >>>>> ballots could not be counted, and we may not hear about it, or we >>>>> would learn of it after elections are closed. If we are afraid that >>>>> our signature may not match that of our state ID, then we can have 2 >>>>> witnesses sign. But that is 2 more people that have to see my ballot. >>>>> I do not think that this practice is common within the states, and I >>>>> would definitely not like my experience to dominate the nature of the >>>>> call, but I wanted to relay it to show that I think this is a very >>>>> good idea. I would personally like some professional/legal >>>>> advice/legal suggestions on how this can be changed. >>>>> >>>>> So, if you have any suggestions on people to conduct this call, or >>>>> resources for where this information can be found, please share it. If >>>>> not, the membership committee will certainly take the initiative to >>>>> conduct an informative call if we do in fact decide to pursue this >>>>> topic. But I wanted to make sure that since you made the suggestion, >>>>> you are welcome to provide suggestions on people to conduct the call. >>>>> >>>>> I know that someone comes to each NC state convention with an >>>>> accessible voting machine to show in the exhibit hall. During this >>>>> time, people can vote in a fake election and orient themselves to the >>>>> machine. I am not sure if NC is still doing this since it has been a >>>>> few years since the accessible machines were introduced, but I think >>>>> there is still a need for outreach about accessible voting. >>>>> >>>>> Keep the good membership call suggestions coming! >>>>> Cindy >>>>> >>>>> On 8/27/12, Joshua Lester >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > Hi, Stephanie! >>>>> > That's a great idea! >>>>> > I went to my voting site, earlier this year, and the machine didn't >>>>> work. >>>>> > My Disability Rights person that works for the governor, here said >>>>> he'd come >>>>> > down, to show them how to work it, but he never showed up! >>>>> > Thanks, Joshua >>>>> > ________________________________________ >>>>> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on >>>>> > behalf >>>>> of >>>>> > Stephanie DeLuca [sjhhirst at gmail.com] >>>>> > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 2:53 PM >>>>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS Membership Call Survey >>>>> > >>>>> > I think a discussion on voting as people with disabilities would be >>>>> good. >>>>> > Since a lot of people are on college campuses, it'd be a good >>>>> opportunity to >>>>> > get involved with informing people with disabilities (mainly VI) >>>>> > about >>>>> > rights and responsibilities for voting. I've been to/worked at >>>>> > several >>>>> > voter registration drives, and I have NEVER seen information on >>>>> > voting >>>>> if >>>>> > you have a disability. >>>>> > >>>>> > On Aug 27, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Cody Bair wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> >> Hi All, >>>>> >> As you are probably already aware, NABS conducts monthly membership >>>>> calls. >>>>> >> In order to get this school year started we are currently seeking >>>>> >> your >>>>> >> input on what topics you would like to see us cover this year. >>>>> >> Please >>>>> >> either reply directly to this thread with your suggestions or mail >>>>> them >>>>> >> directly to >>>>> >> Nabs.membership at gmail.com >>>>> >> Sincerely, >>>>> >> The NABS membership Committee >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> >> for >>>>> >> nabs-l: >>>>> >> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > nabs-l mailing list >>>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> > for >>>>> > nabs-l: >>>>> > >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > nabs-l mailing list >>>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> > for >>>>> > nabs-l: >>>>> > >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Cynthia Bennett >>>>> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >>>>> >>>>> clb5590 at gmail.com >>>>> 828.989.5383 >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com > -- Cynthia Bennett B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com 828.989.5383 From zerone1683 at gmail.com Tue Aug 28 19:24:13 2012 From: zerone1683 at gmail.com (zerone1683 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 12:24:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] Taking a Course in Chinese Message-ID: <1213423024.1.1346181843189.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> I am not sure but if you want I can forward this message to. C.C. Alan the international students list From mistydbradley at gmail.com Tue Aug 28 19:51:25 2012 From: mistydbradley at gmail.com (Misty Dawn Bradley) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 15:51:25 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] ID's and Voting References: Message-ID: Hi, I usually just sign as best as I can. It usually does not look good, but I just try to do it. I have someone show me where to sign, or I use a signature guide that they can place on the paper. Misty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Jacobson" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ID's and Voting > One problem with a stamp is that if it is stolen, the person posessing it > has your official signature. I know each of us has our > own set of strengths, but I wouldn't think memorizing how to write a > signature would be all that hard for most of us. It does > take a bit of practice, I grant you that. > > Best regards, > > Steve Jacobson > > On Mon, 27 Aug 2012 23:15:47 -0600, Arielle Silverman wrote: > >>Hi all, >>I think it is fair for a blind person to need to get a state ID card >>or non-driving license. Going to the DMV sucks but it sucks for >>sighted people too. Having some kind of legal identification is just >>part of living in this country as an adult and enables us to >>participate in all the same activities as those with drivers' >>licenses, including flying on airplanes and passing the age test to >>buy alcohol (I don't think student ID is acceptable for either of >>these things, whether you are sighted or blind). I do, however, agree >>that requiring a blind person to give a signature that matches one on >>file is probably unfair even if it is not intended to be >>discriminatory. A blind person could get around this by signing with a >>stamp, though I'm not sure how long those last. >>Arielle >>On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: >>> Hm my main concern with the IDs is that people have to get to the DMV >>> somehow. In places like Nashville, that's not exactly straightforward. >>> I >>> guess they could take a cab? It just sucks because, I think before, >>> people >>> could just use a student ID (speaking about our own age group). Now, >>> the >>> states have made it more difficult than it already was. >>> >>> Rhode Island has an interesting approach to this (and someone correct me >>> if >>> I'm wrong). If you don't have a state ID on you at the polling place, >>> you >>> can sign an affidavit of identity, which basically just certifies that >>> you >>> are who you say you are. I like this idea (well, except for the whole >>> signature thing, which I had never thought about). >>> >>> http://www.ncsl.org/legislatures-elections/elections/voter-id.aspx >>> >>> >>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Cynthia Bennett >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Stephanie: >>>> >>>> This is great informaition. Thanks for going so much in depth. >>>> >>>> The ID issue is the easiest. I don't know of a state that doesn't >>>> offer a nondriving photo ID. This can be obtained wherever you would >>>> go to get your driver's license. It looks just like and contains all >>>> of the information that a driver's license contains. It is a >>>> legitimate form of ID. I had no problems at the precincts in NC when I >>>> showed my photo ID. >>>> >>>> Where ID's relate to my concern is that when you get your ID, you have >>>> to sign the bottom. The DMV that I went to had an electronic pad that >>>> you sign with a stylus. I typically like to place a finger down on a >>>> paper to orient myself before I write my signature. But touching the >>>> electronic pad made a finger print. After a few unsuccessful tries, >>>> the agent gave me an index card, and they elected to process my >>>> signature the old way. This was helpful, but even though I have been >>>> signing my name since I was 7, I really don't have any way of knowing >>>> if I have signed my name exactly the way it looks on my state ID; this >>>> signature is kept on file with the state so they don't actually have >>>> to look at your ID to see it. I know that the intentions of this are >>>> good and in place to prevent voter fraud, but as a blind person, I >>>> feel like it pretty much gives me no choice but to find 2 witnesses to >>>> sign my ballot and varify my signature, and I think that is unfair >>>> since a sighted person can fill out their ballot independently and >>>> forego the long precinct lines since they are located far and few >>>> between due to the mailed-out ballots being the primary method used >>>> for voting. >>>> >>>> I'm sure the membership committee will look at all of this information >>>> and decide if this call is a good idea, which I think we will, and we >>>> will work to find appropriate people to conduct the call. Thanks so >>>> much for the information. It was really great to read. >>>> >>>> And, I go by Cindy so that's fine. >>>> >>>> Cindy >>>> >>>> On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: >>>> > This website is very informative. The following link takes you to a >>>> > page >>>> > where they have links to several laws relevant to people with >>>> disabilities. >>>> > >>>> > http://www.section508.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=Laws >>>> > >>>> > In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>> > ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca >>>> > wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> Heh, I mean Cynthia, sorry! >>>> >> >>>> >> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>> >> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >>> I'm excited to see that other people support the idea of getting >>>> >>> involved >>>> >>> but sad to admit that it's a problem. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> My story is this: In 2008, I went for early voting at one of the >>>> >>> designated places in Nashville. When it was my turn, they >>>> >>> designated >>>> >>> a >>>> >>> polling machine to me. Before I began the process, I asked about >>>> >>> assisted >>>> >>> voting. Maybe I should have asked about accessible polling >>>> >>> machines? >>>> >>> Anyway, he just said he'd have to help me and that was the only >>>> >>> option >>>> >>> I >>>> >>> had. I turned him down and went through the process myself (I do >>>> >>> have >>>> >>> some >>>> >>> vision). >>>> >>> >>>> >>> It seems that the voting issues fall into a few categories: >>>> >>> 1) lack of knowledge of rights/responsibilities on behalf of the >>>> >>> voter >>>> >>> 2) lack of training and knowledge of polling staff >>>> >>> 3) lack of a functioning accessible voting machine on site >>>> >>> 4) difficult-to-follow tutorials/instructions for the accessible >>>> machine >>>> >>> >>>> >>> For me, numbers 1 and 2 seem to be the biggest problems. How do we >>>> >>> get >>>> >>> the word out and how do we insure that the people at the polling >>>> >>> places >>>> >>> are >>>> >>> trained and that there is a funcitoning machine available? >>>> >>> >>>> >>> I like the idea about having demos. Barring that, would it be >>>> >>> possible >>>> >>> to record a tutorial and post it online? Maybe by someone who has >>>> >>> used >>>> >>> it >>>> >>> recently? I've heard that the tutorial provided at the polling >>>> >>> place >>>> is >>>> >>> often not straightforward or easy to follow and that a blind user >>>> >>> could >>>> >>> do >>>> >>> a better job haha >>>> >>> >>>> >>> I think we should at the very least inform people of their rights. >>>> >>> I >>>> >>> think finding the federal law wouldn't be too hard, but some rules >>>> >>> vary >>>> >>> state by state. I'm having trouble tracking down the information >>>> >>> for >>>> >>> TN, >>>> >>> for example. Anyway, here is the federal law (I think). >>>> >>> >>>> >>> *Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act* >>>> >>> >>>> >>> The Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act of >>>> >>> 1984 >>>> >>> generally requires polling places across the United States to be >>>> >>> physically >>>> >>> accessible to people with disabilities for federal elections. Where >>>> >>> no >>>> >>> accessible location is available to serve as a polling place, a >>>> >>> political >>>> >>> subdivision must provide an alternate means of casting a ballot on >>>> >>> the >>>> >>> day >>>> >>> of the election. This law also requires states to make available >>>> >>> registration and voting aids for disabled and elderly voters, >>>> >>> including >>>> >>> information by TTYs (also known as TDDs) or similar devices. For >>>> >>> more >>>> >>> information, contact: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> U.S. Department of Justice >>>> >>> Civil Rights Division >>>> >>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >>>> >>> Voting Section - 1800 G >>>> >>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >>>> >>> >>>> >>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> *National Voter Registration Act* >>>> >>> >>>> >>> The National Voter Registration Act of 1993, also known as the >>>> >>> "Motor >>>> >>> Voter Act," makes it easier for all Americans to exercise their >>>> >>> fundamental >>>> >>> right to vote. One of the basic purposes of the Act is to increase >>>> >>> the >>>> >>> historically low registration rates of minorities and persons with >>>> >>> disabilities that have resulted from discrimination. The Motor >>>> >>> Voter >>>> Act >>>> >>> requires all offices of State-funded programs that are primarily >>>> engaged >>>> >>> in >>>> >>> providing services to persons with disabilities to provide all >>>> >>> program >>>> >>> applicants with voter registration forms, to assist them in >>>> >>> completing >>>> >>> the >>>> >>> forms, and to transmit completed forms to the appropriate State >>>> >>> official. >>>> >>> For more information, contact: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> U.S. Department of Justice >>>> >>> Civil Rights Division >>>> >>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >>>> >>> Voting Section - 1800 G >>>> >>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >>>> >>> >>>> >>> www.usdoj.gov/crt/voting >>>> >>> >>>> >>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >>>> >>> >>>> >>> It seems that the NFB has a lot of lawyers. Is it possible for us >>>> >>> to >>>> >>> get >>>> >>> someone trained in law to help us with this one? >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Here is another good resource, the Department of Justice: >>>> >>> http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/drs/ >>>> >>> >>>> >>> One question I have is, why aren't ALL voting machines accessible? >>>> >>> It >>>> >>> seems like this is more of a software issue. Would it not be >>>> >>> possible >>>> >>> to >>>> >>> write accessible software to be used on all machines? >>>> >>> >>>> >>> One other thing is that we should encourage people to file a >>>> >>> complaint >>>> >>> if >>>> >>> they have these aforementioned problems this year and in the >>>> >>> future. >>>> We >>>> >>> (the NFB) should provide information on that, as well. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> While I think this is a concern for the whole NFB on a national >>>> >>> level, >>>> I >>>> >>> think as students, we are in a good spot to target new voters and >>>> >>> college >>>> >>> students who have not voted before. Maybe we could draft a >>>> >>> brochure >>>> >>> about >>>> >>> rights and responsibilities and general information (maybe even for >>>> >>> people >>>> >>> who aren't blind but are disabled?) and make sure it gets >>>> >>> distributed >>>> at >>>> >>> voter registration drives going on campus. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Cindy also makes a good point about getting to the voting place. >>>> >>> Also, >>>> >>> this will become even more difficult in many states that require >>>> >>> valid >>>> >>> state IDs (like TN, AL, AR, etc.). How should we deal with this? >>>> >>> >>>> >>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>> >>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Cynthia Bennett >>>> >>> wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> Stephanie: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> That is a great idea. I had a similar experience as Josh as I >>>> >>>> voted >>>> >>>> in >>>> >>>> my first election. They were the 2008 primaries, and I was very >>>> >>>> excited. When the machine did not work, I asked a poll worker to >>>> >>>> assist me. They filled in the ballot as I wished, but the worker >>>> >>>> did >>>> >>>> make some comments about their preference on a politician. This >>>> >>>> occured when I said that I did not want to vote for a particular >>>> >>>> office, because I was unfamiliar with any of the candidates. I >>>> >>>> said >>>> >>>> something like, "I don't want to fill in anything for this," and >>>> >>>> the >>>> >>>> worker responded with "Oh, I heard that ___ is pretty good. Do you >>>> >>>> want me to fill in his/her name?" I chose to still not vote for >>>> >>>> that >>>> >>>> particular office. This practice is illegal, and I chose not to >>>> >>>> say >>>> >>>> anything about it. But I do think that an informational call about >>>> >>>> rights and accessible voting machines would be awesome. >>>> >>>> Unfortunately, >>>> >>>> each state is a little different, but information about federal >>>> >>>> mandates on the presence of accessible voting machines/rights and >>>> >>>> some >>>> >>>> typical patterns in accessible voting in states would be great. >>>> >>>> For >>>> >>>> example, Washington conducts mail ballots. There are a few >>>> >>>> precincts >>>> >>>> around town, but if you work in a neighborhood in which it takes a >>>> >>>> while to get to a precinct, you are at a disadvantage as a blind >>>> >>>> person. So, you can either take off work and use public >>>> >>>> transportation >>>> >>>> to navigate to one of the few and very busy precincts and wait in >>>> >>>> a >>>> >>>> 3-hour line, or you can find a reader and disclose your voting >>>> >>>> preferences. The other animal in this issue is that if you choose >>>> >>>> to >>>> >>>> get a reader to fill out your signature does not match the >>>> >>>> signature >>>> >>>> on your state ID which is kept on file, then your ballot can be >>>> >>>> deemed >>>> >>>> as false and not counted. As a blind person, I do the best I can >>>> >>>> with >>>> >>>> my signature, but I do think that even the most ambitious blind >>>> >>>> people >>>> >>>> are at a disadvantage when having to match a signature, and our >>>> >>>> ballots could not be counted, and we may not hear about it, or we >>>> >>>> would learn of it after elections are closed. If we are afraid >>>> >>>> that >>>> >>>> our signature may not match that of our state ID, then we can have >>>> >>>> 2 >>>> >>>> witnesses sign. But that is 2 more people that have to see my >>>> >>>> ballot. >>>> >>>> I do not think that this practice is common within the states, and >>>> >>>> I >>>> >>>> would definitely not like my experience to dominate the nature of >>>> >>>> the >>>> >>>> call, but I wanted to relay it to show that I think this is a very >>>> >>>> good idea. I would personally like some professional/legal >>>> >>>> advice/legal suggestions on how this can be changed. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> So, if you have any suggestions on people to conduct this call, or >>>> >>>> resources for where this information can be found, please share >>>> >>>> it. >>>> >>>> If >>>> >>>> not, the membership committee will certainly take the initiative >>>> >>>> to >>>> >>>> conduct an informative call if we do in fact decide to pursue this >>>> >>>> topic. But I wanted to make sure that since you made the >>>> >>>> suggestion, >>>> >>>> you are welcome to provide suggestions on people to conduct the >>>> >>>> call. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I know that someone comes to each NC state convention with an >>>> >>>> accessible voting machine to show in the exhibit hall. During this >>>> >>>> time, people can vote in a fake election and orient themselves to >>>> >>>> the >>>> >>>> machine. I am not sure if NC is still doing this since it has been >>>> >>>> a >>>> >>>> few years since the accessible machines were introduced, but I >>>> >>>> think >>>> >>>> there is still a need for outreach about accessible voting. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Keep the good membership call suggestions coming! >>>> >>>> Cindy >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 8/27/12, Joshua Lester >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> > Hi, Stephanie! >>>> >>>> > That's a great idea! >>>> >>>> > I went to my voting site, earlier this year, and the machine >>>> >>>> > didn't >>>> >>>> work. >>>> >>>> > My Disability Rights person that works for the governor, here >>>> >>>> > said >>>> >>>> he'd come >>>> >>>> > down, to show them how to work it, but he never showed up! >>>> >>>> > Thanks, Joshua >>>> >>>> > ________________________________________ >>>> >>>> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on >>>> behalf >>>> >>>> of >>>> >>>> > Stephanie DeLuca [sjhhirst at gmail.com] >>>> >>>> > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 2:53 PM >>>> >>>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS Membership Call Survey >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > I think a discussion on voting as people with disabilities would >>>> >>>> > be >>>> >>>> good. >>>> >>>> > Since a lot of people are on college campuses, it'd be a good >>>> >>>> opportunity to >>>> >>>> > get involved with informing people with disabilities (mainly VI) >>>> >>>> > about >>>> >>>> > rights and responsibilities for voting. I've been to/worked at >>>> >>>> > several >>>> >>>> > voter registration drives, and I have NEVER seen information on >>>> >>>> > voting >>>> >>>> if >>>> >>>> > you have a disability. >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > On Aug 27, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Cody Bair >>>> >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >> Hi All, >>>> >>>> >> As you are probably already aware, NABS conducts monthly >>>> >>>> >> membership >>>> >>>> calls. >>>> >>>> >> In order to get this school year started we are currently >>>> >>>> >> seeking >>>> >>>> >> your >>>> >>>> >> input on what topics you would like to see us cover this year. >>>> >>>> >> Please >>>> >>>> >> either reply directly to this thread with your suggestions or >>>> >>>> >> mail >>>> >>>> them >>>> >>>> >> directly to >>>> >>>> >> Nabs.membership at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >> Sincerely, >>>> >>>> >> The NABS membership Committee >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> >> nabs-l mailing list >>>> >>>> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> >>>> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> >>>> >> info >>>> >>>> >> for >>>> >>>> >> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> > nabs-l mailing list >>>> >>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> >>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> >>>> > info >>>> for >>>> >>>> > nabs-l: >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> > nabs-l mailing list >>>> >>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> >>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> >>>> > info >>>> for >>>> >>>> > nabs-l: >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Cynthia Bennett >>>> >>>> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> clb5590 at gmail.com >>>> >>>> 828.989.5383 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> >>>> for >>>> >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >> >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > nabs-l mailing list >>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> > nabs-l: >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Cynthia Bennett >>>> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >>>> >>>> clb5590 at gmail.com >>>> 828.989.5383 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> > >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com > From mistydbradley at gmail.com Tue Aug 28 19:47:01 2012 From: mistydbradley at gmail.com (Misty Dawn Bradley) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 15:47:01 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] ID's and Voting References: <5BEC910D48D54828ACFF96B7C2CE3D09@BrandonsLaptop2> Message-ID: Hi, In North Carolina, we only have to renew our ID every 8 years, and I find that having a state ID is essential. Even the college bookstore in my area requires you to have a student ID plus another form of ID before you can even purchase your books or anything with financial aid. Also, if you are not a student, it is hard not to have a state ID, as most places won't accept much else. I usually either take the bus to the DMV, or if that is too complicated, if there is paratransit, you could take it there, but the problem is not knowing how long it would take. I've only been there once, but what I did was to look up the address and find out which routes go there and what stop to get off, and then I told the driver to let me off at the DMV stop. It was a little of an inconvenience, but I found it to be worthwhile, because I find that I use the state ID very often for different things where even a student ID may not have been enough. Hth, Misty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Young" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ID's and Voting >I know you don't necessarily have to go to the DMV to renew your ID. > When it came time for me to renew mine, they just sent a form in the > mail and I checked a box(Driver or Non-Driver). They both had a > length they were good for and a fee it cost to purchase them. Using a > CCTV I filled out the form rather quickly. If one doesn't have enough > vision for that, then I guess the only other way would to have sighted > assistance. I would say though if the picture you wish to change, > then to my knowledge you have to go to the DMV. Hope this helps > > On 8/28/12, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: >> Hello, >> The way I write my signature is Place my finger on the line, place my pen >> next to my finger, lift my finger, ask someone if the pen is in the right >> place and agust to what they say, then if I can I place my finger back on >> the paper and then I write my signature strait from my finger. I have a >> signature that doesn't need me to lift my pen from the paper, so that is >> really good. I also just use my first name as my signature only. (I'm not >> sure if people know this, but your signature doesn't need to be your >> name, >> it can be a star or a picture of some kind). I've been told that my >> signature is super hard to copy and it is still readable. I use a mixture >> of >> >> cursive and the typical letters. I sat down with my living skills >> instructor >> >> one day and we experimented with signatures and found the thing that >> would >> be the fastest, most readable and the best reproducible, so that is what >> I >> now use. Also, I only write capitals, because they are the easiest to >> write >> >> for me. >> Thanks, >> >> Brandon Keith Biggs >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Arielle Silverman >> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 10:15 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] ID's and Voting >> >> Hi all, >> I think it is fair for a blind person to need to get a state ID card >> or non-driving license. Going to the DMV sucks but it sucks for >> sighted people too. Having some kind of legal identification is just >> part of living in this country as an adult and enables us to >> participate in all the same activities as those with drivers' >> licenses, including flying on airplanes and passing the age test to >> buy alcohol (I don't think student ID is acceptable for either of >> these things, whether you are sighted or blind). I do, however, agree >> that requiring a blind person to give a signature that matches one on >> file is probably unfair even if it is not intended to be >> discriminatory. A blind person could get around this by signing with a >> stamp, though I'm not sure how long those last. >> Arielle >> On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: >>> Hm my main concern with the IDs is that people have to get to the DMV >>> somehow. In places like Nashville, that's not exactly straightforward. >>> I >>> guess they could take a cab? It just sucks because, I think before, >>> people >>> could just use a student ID (speaking about our own age group). Now, >>> the >>> states have made it more difficult than it already was. >>> >>> Rhode Island has an interesting approach to this (and someone correct me >>> if >>> I'm wrong). If you don't have a state ID on you at the polling place, >>> you >>> can sign an affidavit of identity, which basically just certifies that >>> you >>> are who you say you are. I like this idea (well, except for the whole >>> signature thing, which I had never thought about). >>> >>> http://www.ncsl.org/legislatures-elections/elections/voter-id.aspx >>> >>> >>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Cynthia Bennett >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Stephanie: >>>> >>>> This is great informaition. Thanks for going so much in depth. >>>> >>>> The ID issue is the easiest. I don't know of a state that doesn't >>>> offer a nondriving photo ID. This can be obtained wherever you would >>>> go to get your driver's license. It looks just like and contains all >>>> of the information that a driver's license contains. It is a >>>> legitimate form of ID. I had no problems at the precincts in NC when I >>>> showed my photo ID. >>>> >>>> Where ID's relate to my concern is that when you get your ID, you have >>>> to sign the bottom. The DMV that I went to had an electronic pad that >>>> you sign with a stylus. I typically like to place a finger down on a >>>> paper to orient myself before I write my signature. But touching the >>>> electronic pad made a finger print. After a few unsuccessful tries, >>>> the agent gave me an index card, and they elected to process my >>>> signature the old way. This was helpful, but even though I have been >>>> signing my name since I was 7, I really don't have any way of knowing >>>> if I have signed my name exactly the way it looks on my state ID; this >>>> signature is kept on file with the state so they don't actually have >>>> to look at your ID to see it. I know that the intentions of this are >>>> good and in place to prevent voter fraud, but as a blind person, I >>>> feel like it pretty much gives me no choice but to find 2 witnesses to >>>> sign my ballot and varify my signature, and I think that is unfair >>>> since a sighted person can fill out their ballot independently and >>>> forego the long precinct lines since they are located far and few >>>> between due to the mailed-out ballots being the primary method used >>>> for voting. >>>> >>>> I'm sure the membership committee will look at all of this information >>>> and decide if this call is a good idea, which I think we will, and we >>>> will work to find appropriate people to conduct the call. Thanks so >>>> much for the information. It was really great to read. >>>> >>>> And, I go by Cindy so that's fine. >>>> >>>> Cindy >>>> >>>> On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: >>>> > This website is very informative. The following link takes you to a >>>> > page >>>> > where they have links to several laws relevant to people with >>>> disabilities. >>>> > >>>> > http://www.section508.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=Laws >>>> > >>>> > In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>> > ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca >>>> > wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> Heh, I mean Cynthia, sorry! >>>> >> >>>> >> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>> >> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >>> I'm excited to see that other people support the idea of getting >>>> >>> involved >>>> >>> but sad to admit that it's a problem. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> My story is this: In 2008, I went for early voting at one of the >>>> >>> designated places in Nashville. When it was my turn, they >>>> >>> designated >>>> >>> a >>>> >>> polling machine to me. Before I began the process, I asked about >>>> >>> assisted >>>> >>> voting. Maybe I should have asked about accessible polling >>>> >>> machines? >>>> >>> Anyway, he just said he'd have to help me and that was the only >>>> >>> option >>>> >>> I >>>> >>> had. I turned him down and went through the process myself (I do >>>> >>> have >>>> >>> some >>>> >>> vision). >>>> >>> >>>> >>> It seems that the voting issues fall into a few categories: >>>> >>> 1) lack of knowledge of rights/responsibilities on behalf of the >>>> >>> voter >>>> >>> 2) lack of training and knowledge of polling staff >>>> >>> 3) lack of a functioning accessible voting machine on site >>>> >>> 4) difficult-to-follow tutorials/instructions for the accessible >>>> machine >>>> >>> >>>> >>> For me, numbers 1 and 2 seem to be the biggest problems. How do we >>>> >>> get >>>> >>> the word out and how do we insure that the people at the polling >>>> >>> places >>>> >>> are >>>> >>> trained and that there is a funcitoning machine available? >>>> >>> >>>> >>> I like the idea about having demos. Barring that, would it be >>>> >>> possible >>>> >>> to record a tutorial and post it online? Maybe by someone who has >>>> >>> used >>>> >>> it >>>> >>> recently? I've heard that the tutorial provided at the polling >>>> >>> place >>>> is >>>> >>> often not straightforward or easy to follow and that a blind user >>>> >>> could >>>> >>> do >>>> >>> a better job haha >>>> >>> >>>> >>> I think we should at the very least inform people of their rights. >>>> >>> I >>>> >>> think finding the federal law wouldn't be too hard, but some rules >>>> >>> vary >>>> >>> state by state. I'm having trouble tracking down the information >>>> >>> for >>>> >>> TN, >>>> >>> for example. Anyway, here is the federal law (I think). >>>> >>> >>>> >>> *Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act* >>>> >>> >>>> >>> The Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act of >>>> >>> 1984 >>>> >>> generally requires polling places across the United States to be >>>> >>> physically >>>> >>> accessible to people with disabilities for federal elections. Where >>>> >>> no >>>> >>> accessible location is available to serve as a polling place, a >>>> >>> political >>>> >>> subdivision must provide an alternate means of casting a ballot on >>>> >>> the >>>> >>> day >>>> >>> of the election. This law also requires states to make available >>>> >>> registration and voting aids for disabled and elderly voters, >>>> >>> including >>>> >>> information by TTYs (also known as TDDs) or similar devices. For >>>> >>> more >>>> >>> information, contact: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> U.S. Department of Justice >>>> >>> Civil Rights Division >>>> >>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >>>> >>> Voting Section - 1800 G >>>> >>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >>>> >>> >>>> >>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> *National Voter Registration Act* >>>> >>> >>>> >>> The National Voter Registration Act of 1993, also known as the >>>> >>> "Motor >>>> >>> Voter Act," makes it easier for all Americans to exercise their >>>> >>> fundamental >>>> >>> right to vote. One of the basic purposes of the Act is to increase >>>> >>> the >>>> >>> historically low registration rates of minorities and persons with >>>> >>> disabilities that have resulted from discrimination. The Motor >>>> >>> Voter >>>> Act >>>> >>> requires all offices of State-funded programs that are primarily >>>> engaged >>>> >>> in >>>> >>> providing services to persons with disabilities to provide all >>>> >>> program >>>> >>> applicants with voter registration forms, to assist them in >>>> >>> completing >>>> >>> the >>>> >>> forms, and to transmit completed forms to the appropriate State >>>> >>> official. >>>> >>> For more information, contact: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> U.S. Department of Justice >>>> >>> Civil Rights Division >>>> >>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >>>> >>> Voting Section - 1800 G >>>> >>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >>>> >>> >>>> >>> www.usdoj.gov/crt/voting >>>> >>> >>>> >>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >>>> >>> >>>> >>> It seems that the NFB has a lot of lawyers. Is it possible for us >>>> >>> to >>>> >>> get >>>> >>> someone trained in law to help us with this one? >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Here is another good resource, the Department of Justice: >>>> >>> http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/drs/ >>>> >>> >>>> >>> One question I have is, why aren't ALL voting machines accessible? >>>> >>> It >>>> >>> seems like this is more of a software issue. Would it not be >>>> >>> possible >>>> >>> to >>>> >>> write accessible software to be used on all machines? >>>> >>> >>>> >>> One other thing is that we should encourage people to file a >>>> >>> complaint >>>> >>> if >>>> >>> they have these aforementioned problems this year and in the >>>> >>> future. >>>> We >>>> >>> (the NFB) should provide information on that, as well. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> While I think this is a concern for the whole NFB on a national >>>> >>> level, >>>> I >>>> >>> think as students, we are in a good spot to target new voters and >>>> >>> college >>>> >>> students who have not voted before. Maybe we could draft a >>>> >>> brochure >>>> >>> about >>>> >>> rights and responsibilities and general information (maybe even for >>>> >>> people >>>> >>> who aren't blind but are disabled?) and make sure it gets >>>> >>> distributed >>>> at >>>> >>> voter registration drives going on campus. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Cindy also makes a good point about getting to the voting place. >>>> >>> Also, >>>> >>> this will become even more difficult in many states that require >>>> >>> valid >>>> >>> state IDs (like TN, AL, AR, etc.). How should we deal with this? >>>> >>> >>>> >>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>> >>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Cynthia Bennett >>>> >>> wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> Stephanie: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> That is a great idea. I had a similar experience as Josh as I >>>> >>>> voted >>>> >>>> in >>>> >>>> my first election. They were the 2008 primaries, and I was very >>>> >>>> excited. When the machine did not work, I asked a poll worker to >>>> >>>> assist me. They filled in the ballot as I wished, but the worker >>>> >>>> did >>>> >>>> make some comments about their preference on a politician. This >>>> >>>> occured when I said that I did not want to vote for a particular >>>> >>>> office, because I was unfamiliar with any of the candidates. I >>>> >>>> said >>>> >>>> something like, "I don't want to fill in anything for this," and >>>> >>>> the >>>> >>>> worker responded with "Oh, I heard that ___ is pretty good. Do you >>>> >>>> want me to fill in his/her name?" I chose to still not vote for >>>> >>>> that >>>> >>>> particular office. This practice is illegal, and I chose not to >>>> >>>> say >>>> >>>> anything about it. But I do think that an informational call about >>>> >>>> rights and accessible voting machines would be awesome. >>>> >>>> Unfortunately, >>>> >>>> each state is a little different, but information about federal >>>> >>>> mandates on the presence of accessible voting machines/rights and >>>> >>>> some >>>> >>>> typical patterns in accessible voting in states would be great. >>>> >>>> For >>>> >>>> example, Washington conducts mail ballots. There are a few >>>> >>>> precincts >>>> >>>> around town, but if you work in a neighborhood in which it takes a >>>> >>>> while to get to a precinct, you are at a disadvantage as a blind >>>> >>>> person. So, you can either take off work and use public >>>> >>>> transportation >>>> >>>> to navigate to one of the few and very busy precincts and wait in >>>> >>>> a >>>> >>>> 3-hour line, or you can find a reader and disclose your voting >>>> >>>> preferences. The other animal in this issue is that if you choose >>>> >>>> to >>>> >>>> get a reader to fill out your signature does not match the >>>> >>>> signature >>>> >>>> on your state ID which is kept on file, then your ballot can be >>>> >>>> deemed >>>> >>>> as false and not counted. As a blind person, I do the best I can >>>> >>>> with >>>> >>>> my signature, but I do think that even the most ambitious blind >>>> >>>> people >>>> >>>> are at a disadvantage when having to match a signature, and our >>>> >>>> ballots could not be counted, and we may not hear about it, or we >>>> >>>> would learn of it after elections are closed. If we are afraid >>>> >>>> that >>>> >>>> our signature may not match that of our state ID, then we can have >>>> >>>> 2 >>>> >>>> witnesses sign. But that is 2 more people that have to see my >>>> >>>> ballot. >>>> >>>> I do not think that this practice is common within the states, and >>>> >>>> I >>>> >>>> would definitely not like my experience to dominate the nature of >>>> >>>> the >>>> >>>> call, but I wanted to relay it to show that I think this is a very >>>> >>>> good idea. I would personally like some professional/legal >>>> >>>> advice/legal suggestions on how this can be changed. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> So, if you have any suggestions on people to conduct this call, or >>>> >>>> resources for where this information can be found, please share >>>> >>>> it. >>>> >>>> If >>>> >>>> not, the membership committee will certainly take the initiative >>>> >>>> to >>>> >>>> conduct an informative call if we do in fact decide to pursue this >>>> >>>> topic. But I wanted to make sure that since you made the >>>> >>>> suggestion, >>>> >>>> you are welcome to provide suggestions on people to conduct the >>>> >>>> call. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I know that someone comes to each NC state convention with an >>>> >>>> accessible voting machine to show in the exhibit hall. During this >>>> >>>> time, people can vote in a fake election and orient themselves to >>>> >>>> the >>>> >>>> machine. I am not sure if NC is still doing this since it has been >>>> >>>> a >>>> >>>> few years since the accessible machines were introduced, but I >>>> >>>> think >>>> >>>> there is still a need for outreach about accessible voting. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Keep the good membership call suggestions coming! >>>> >>>> Cindy >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 8/27/12, Joshua Lester >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> > Hi, Stephanie! >>>> >>>> > That's a great idea! >>>> >>>> > I went to my voting site, earlier this year, and the machine >>>> >>>> > didn't >>>> >>>> work. >>>> >>>> > My Disability Rights person that works for the governor, here >>>> >>>> > said >>>> >>>> he'd come >>>> >>>> > down, to show them how to work it, but he never showed up! >>>> >>>> > Thanks, Joshua >>>> >>>> > ________________________________________ >>>> >>>> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on >>>> behalf >>>> >>>> of >>>> >>>> > Stephanie DeLuca [sjhhirst at gmail.com] >>>> >>>> > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 2:53 PM >>>> >>>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS Membership Call Survey >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > I think a discussion on voting as people with disabilities would >>>> >>>> > be >>>> >>>> good. >>>> >>>> > Since a lot of people are on college campuses, it'd be a good >>>> >>>> opportunity to >>>> >>>> > get involved with informing people with disabilities (mainly VI) >>>> >>>> > about >>>> >>>> > rights and responsibilities for voting. I've been to/worked at >>>> >>>> > several >>>> >>>> > voter registration drives, and I have NEVER seen information on >>>> >>>> > voting >>>> >>>> if >>>> >>>> > you have a disability. >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > On Aug 27, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Cody Bair >>>> >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >> Hi All, >>>> >>>> >> As you are probably already aware, NABS conducts monthly >>>> >>>> >> membership >>>> >>>> calls. >>>> >>>> >> In order to get this school year started we are currently >>>> >>>> >> seeking >>>> >>>> >> your >>>> >>>> >> input on what topics you would like to see us cover this year. >>>> >>>> >> Please >>>> >>>> >> either reply directly to this thread with your suggestions or >>>> >>>> >> mail >>>> >>>> them >>>> >>>> >> directly to >>>> >>>> >> Nabs.membership at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >> Sincerely, >>>> >>>> >> The NABS membership Committee >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> >> nabs-l mailing list >>>> >>>> >> nabs-l 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(Desiree Oudinot) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 17:06:38 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] ID's and Voting In-Reply-To: References: <5BEC910D48D54828ACFF96B7C2CE3D09@BrandonsLaptop2> Message-ID: Hi, So, if you can renew your ID online, how do they get an updated picture? I've heard of people not having a picture on their ID for religious reasons, but I'm certainly not interested in that because it just seems like from all I've heard and what I think personally, no one would take an ID without a picture on it seriously. It would be extremely easy to forge. No offense to people who choose not to have a picture on their ID for whatever reason, it's just not something I would do myself. So how does that work? My mom said that if I renew online, what will probably happen is they'll send something in the mail which says the ID isn't expired, and I'll have 60 days to go to the DMV to have my picture taken. Is that true? On 8/28/12, Justin Young wrote: > I know you don't necessarily have to go to the DMV to renew your ID. > When it came time for me to renew mine, they just sent a form in the > mail and I checked a box(Driver or Non-Driver). They both had a > length they were good for and a fee it cost to purchase them. Using a > CCTV I filled out the form rather quickly. If one doesn't have enough > vision for that, then I guess the only other way would to have sighted > assistance. I would say though if the picture you wish to change, > then to my knowledge you have to go to the DMV. Hope this helps > > On 8/28/12, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: >> Hello, >> The way I write my signature is Place my finger on the line, place my pen >> next to my finger, lift my finger, ask someone if the pen is in the right >> place and agust to what they say, then if I can I place my finger back on >> the paper and then I write my signature strait from my finger. I have a >> signature that doesn't need me to lift my pen from the paper, so that is >> really good. I also just use my first name as my signature only. (I'm not >> sure if people know this, but your signature doesn't need to be your >> name, >> it can be a star or a picture of some kind). I've been told that my >> signature is super hard to copy and it is still readable. I use a mixture >> of >> >> cursive and the typical letters. I sat down with my living skills >> instructor >> >> one day and we experimented with signatures and found the thing that >> would >> be the fastest, most readable and the best reproducible, so that is what >> I >> now use. Also, I only write capitals, because they are the easiest to >> write >> >> for me. >> Thanks, >> >> Brandon Keith Biggs >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Arielle Silverman >> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 10:15 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] ID's and Voting >> >> Hi all, >> I think it is fair for a blind person to need to get a state ID card >> or non-driving license. Going to the DMV sucks but it sucks for >> sighted people too. Having some kind of legal identification is just >> part of living in this country as an adult and enables us to >> participate in all the same activities as those with drivers' >> licenses, including flying on airplanes and passing the age test to >> buy alcohol (I don't think student ID is acceptable for either of >> these things, whether you are sighted or blind). I do, however, agree >> that requiring a blind person to give a signature that matches one on >> file is probably unfair even if it is not intended to be >> discriminatory. A blind person could get around this by signing with a >> stamp, though I'm not sure how long those last. >> Arielle >> On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: >>> Hm my main concern with the IDs is that people have to get to the DMV >>> somehow. In places like Nashville, that's not exactly straightforward. >>> I >>> guess they could take a cab? It just sucks because, I think before, >>> people >>> could just use a student ID (speaking about our own age group). Now, >>> the >>> states have made it more difficult than it already was. >>> >>> Rhode Island has an interesting approach to this (and someone correct me >>> if >>> I'm wrong). If you don't have a state ID on you at the polling place, >>> you >>> can sign an affidavit of identity, which basically just certifies that >>> you >>> are who you say you are. I like this idea (well, except for the whole >>> signature thing, which I had never thought about). >>> >>> http://www.ncsl.org/legislatures-elections/elections/voter-id.aspx >>> >>> >>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Cynthia Bennett >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Stephanie: >>>> >>>> This is great informaition. Thanks for going so much in depth. >>>> >>>> The ID issue is the easiest. I don't know of a state that doesn't >>>> offer a nondriving photo ID. This can be obtained wherever you would >>>> go to get your driver's license. It looks just like and contains all >>>> of the information that a driver's license contains. It is a >>>> legitimate form of ID. I had no problems at the precincts in NC when I >>>> showed my photo ID. >>>> >>>> Where ID's relate to my concern is that when you get your ID, you have >>>> to sign the bottom. The DMV that I went to had an electronic pad that >>>> you sign with a stylus. I typically like to place a finger down on a >>>> paper to orient myself before I write my signature. But touching the >>>> electronic pad made a finger print. After a few unsuccessful tries, >>>> the agent gave me an index card, and they elected to process my >>>> signature the old way. This was helpful, but even though I have been >>>> signing my name since I was 7, I really don't have any way of knowing >>>> if I have signed my name exactly the way it looks on my state ID; this >>>> signature is kept on file with the state so they don't actually have >>>> to look at your ID to see it. I know that the intentions of this are >>>> good and in place to prevent voter fraud, but as a blind person, I >>>> feel like it pretty much gives me no choice but to find 2 witnesses to >>>> sign my ballot and varify my signature, and I think that is unfair >>>> since a sighted person can fill out their ballot independently and >>>> forego the long precinct lines since they are located far and few >>>> between due to the mailed-out ballots being the primary method used >>>> for voting. >>>> >>>> I'm sure the membership committee will look at all of this information >>>> and decide if this call is a good idea, which I think we will, and we >>>> will work to find appropriate people to conduct the call. Thanks so >>>> much for the information. It was really great to read. >>>> >>>> And, I go by Cindy so that's fine. >>>> >>>> Cindy >>>> >>>> On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: >>>> > This website is very informative. The following link takes you to a >>>> > page >>>> > where they have links to several laws relevant to people with >>>> disabilities. >>>> > >>>> > http://www.section508.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=Laws >>>> > >>>> > In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>> > ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca >>>> > wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> Heh, I mean Cynthia, sorry! >>>> >> >>>> >> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>> >> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >>> I'm excited to see that other people support the idea of getting >>>> >>> involved >>>> >>> but sad to admit that it's a problem. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> My story is this: In 2008, I went for early voting at one of the >>>> >>> designated places in Nashville. When it was my turn, they >>>> >>> designated >>>> >>> a >>>> >>> polling machine to me. Before I began the process, I asked about >>>> >>> assisted >>>> >>> voting. Maybe I should have asked about accessible polling >>>> >>> machines? >>>> >>> Anyway, he just said he'd have to help me and that was the only >>>> >>> option >>>> >>> I >>>> >>> had. I turned him down and went through the process myself (I do >>>> >>> have >>>> >>> some >>>> >>> vision). >>>> >>> >>>> >>> It seems that the voting issues fall into a few categories: >>>> >>> 1) lack of knowledge of rights/responsibilities on behalf of the >>>> >>> voter >>>> >>> 2) lack of training and knowledge of polling staff >>>> >>> 3) lack of a functioning accessible voting machine on site >>>> >>> 4) difficult-to-follow tutorials/instructions for the accessible >>>> machine >>>> >>> >>>> >>> For me, numbers 1 and 2 seem to be the biggest problems. How do we >>>> >>> get >>>> >>> the word out and how do we insure that the people at the polling >>>> >>> places >>>> >>> are >>>> >>> trained and that there is a funcitoning machine available? >>>> >>> >>>> >>> I like the idea about having demos. Barring that, would it be >>>> >>> possible >>>> >>> to record a tutorial and post it online? Maybe by someone who has >>>> >>> used >>>> >>> it >>>> >>> recently? I've heard that the tutorial provided at the polling >>>> >>> place >>>> is >>>> >>> often not straightforward or easy to follow and that a blind user >>>> >>> could >>>> >>> do >>>> >>> a better job haha >>>> >>> >>>> >>> I think we should at the very least inform people of their rights. >>>> >>> I >>>> >>> think finding the federal law wouldn't be too hard, but some rules >>>> >>> vary >>>> >>> state by state. I'm having trouble tracking down the information >>>> >>> for >>>> >>> TN, >>>> >>> for example. Anyway, here is the federal law (I think). >>>> >>> >>>> >>> *Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act* >>>> >>> >>>> >>> The Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act of >>>> >>> 1984 >>>> >>> generally requires polling places across the United States to be >>>> >>> physically >>>> >>> accessible to people with disabilities for federal elections. Where >>>> >>> no >>>> >>> accessible location is available to serve as a polling place, a >>>> >>> political >>>> >>> subdivision must provide an alternate means of casting a ballot on >>>> >>> the >>>> >>> day >>>> >>> of the election. This law also requires states to make available >>>> >>> registration and voting aids for disabled and elderly voters, >>>> >>> including >>>> >>> information by TTYs (also known as TDDs) or similar devices. For >>>> >>> more >>>> >>> information, contact: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> U.S. Department of Justice >>>> >>> Civil Rights Division >>>> >>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >>>> >>> Voting Section - 1800 G >>>> >>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >>>> >>> >>>> >>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> *National Voter Registration Act* >>>> >>> >>>> >>> The National Voter Registration Act of 1993, also known as the >>>> >>> "Motor >>>> >>> Voter Act," makes it easier for all Americans to exercise their >>>> >>> fundamental >>>> >>> right to vote. One of the basic purposes of the Act is to increase >>>> >>> the >>>> >>> historically low registration rates of minorities and persons with >>>> >>> disabilities that have resulted from discrimination. The Motor >>>> >>> Voter >>>> Act >>>> >>> requires all offices of State-funded programs that are primarily >>>> engaged >>>> >>> in >>>> >>> providing services to persons with disabilities to provide all >>>> >>> program >>>> >>> applicants with voter registration forms, to assist them in >>>> >>> completing >>>> >>> the >>>> >>> forms, and to transmit completed forms to the appropriate State >>>> >>> official. >>>> >>> For more information, contact: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> U.S. Department of Justice >>>> >>> Civil Rights Division >>>> >>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >>>> >>> Voting Section - 1800 G >>>> >>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >>>> >>> >>>> >>> www.usdoj.gov/crt/voting >>>> >>> >>>> >>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >>>> >>> >>>> >>> It seems that the NFB has a lot of lawyers. Is it possible for us >>>> >>> to >>>> >>> get >>>> >>> someone trained in law to help us with this one? >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Here is another good resource, the Department of Justice: >>>> >>> http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/drs/ >>>> >>> >>>> >>> One question I have is, why aren't ALL voting machines accessible? >>>> >>> It >>>> >>> seems like this is more of a software issue. Would it not be >>>> >>> possible >>>> >>> to >>>> >>> write accessible software to be used on all machines? >>>> >>> >>>> >>> One other thing is that we should encourage people to file a >>>> >>> complaint >>>> >>> if >>>> >>> they have these aforementioned problems this year and in the >>>> >>> future. >>>> We >>>> >>> (the NFB) should provide information on that, as well. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> While I think this is a concern for the whole NFB on a national >>>> >>> level, >>>> I >>>> >>> think as students, we are in a good spot to target new voters and >>>> >>> college >>>> >>> students who have not voted before. Maybe we could draft a >>>> >>> brochure >>>> >>> about >>>> >>> rights and responsibilities and general information (maybe even for >>>> >>> people >>>> >>> who aren't blind but are disabled?) and make sure it gets >>>> >>> distributed >>>> at >>>> >>> voter registration drives going on campus. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Cindy also makes a good point about getting to the voting place. >>>> >>> Also, >>>> >>> this will become even more difficult in many states that require >>>> >>> valid >>>> >>> state IDs (like TN, AL, AR, etc.). How should we deal with this? >>>> >>> >>>> >>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>> >>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Cynthia Bennett >>>> >>> wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> Stephanie: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> That is a great idea. I had a similar experience as Josh as I >>>> >>>> voted >>>> >>>> in >>>> >>>> my first election. They were the 2008 primaries, and I was very >>>> >>>> excited. When the machine did not work, I asked a poll worker to >>>> >>>> assist me. They filled in the ballot as I wished, but the worker >>>> >>>> did >>>> >>>> make some comments about their preference on a politician. This >>>> >>>> occured when I said that I did not want to vote for a particular >>>> >>>> office, because I was unfamiliar with any of the candidates. I >>>> >>>> said >>>> >>>> something like, "I don't want to fill in anything for this," and >>>> >>>> the >>>> >>>> worker responded with "Oh, I heard that ___ is pretty good. Do you >>>> >>>> want me to fill in his/her name?" I chose to still not vote for >>>> >>>> that >>>> >>>> particular office. This practice is illegal, and I chose not to >>>> >>>> say >>>> >>>> anything about it. But I do think that an informational call about >>>> >>>> rights and accessible voting machines would be awesome. >>>> >>>> Unfortunately, >>>> >>>> each state is a little different, but information about federal >>>> >>>> mandates on the presence of accessible voting machines/rights and >>>> >>>> some >>>> >>>> typical patterns in accessible voting in states would be great. >>>> >>>> For >>>> >>>> example, Washington conducts mail ballots. There are a few >>>> >>>> precincts >>>> >>>> around town, but if you work in a neighborhood in which it takes a >>>> >>>> while to get to a precinct, you are at a disadvantage as a blind >>>> >>>> person. So, you can either take off work and use public >>>> >>>> transportation >>>> >>>> to navigate to one of the few and very busy precincts and wait in >>>> >>>> a >>>> >>>> 3-hour line, or you can find a reader and disclose your voting >>>> >>>> preferences. The other animal in this issue is that if you choose >>>> >>>> to >>>> >>>> get a reader to fill out your signature does not match the >>>> >>>> signature >>>> >>>> on your state ID which is kept on file, then your ballot can be >>>> >>>> deemed >>>> >>>> as false and not counted. As a blind person, I do the best I can >>>> >>>> with >>>> >>>> my signature, but I do think that even the most ambitious blind >>>> >>>> people >>>> >>>> are at a disadvantage when having to match a signature, and our >>>> >>>> ballots could not be counted, and we may not hear about it, or we >>>> >>>> would learn of it after elections are closed. If we are afraid >>>> >>>> that >>>> >>>> our signature may not match that of our state ID, then we can have >>>> >>>> 2 >>>> >>>> witnesses sign. But that is 2 more people that have to see my >>>> >>>> ballot. >>>> >>>> I do not think that this practice is common within the states, and >>>> >>>> I >>>> >>>> would definitely not like my experience to dominate the nature of >>>> >>>> the >>>> >>>> call, but I wanted to relay it to show that I think this is a very >>>> >>>> good idea. I would personally like some professional/legal >>>> >>>> advice/legal suggestions on how this can be changed. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> So, if you have any suggestions on people to conduct this call, or >>>> >>>> resources for where this information can be found, please share >>>> >>>> it. >>>> >>>> If >>>> >>>> not, the membership committee will certainly take the initiative >>>> >>>> to >>>> >>>> conduct an informative call if we do in fact decide to pursue this >>>> >>>> topic. But I wanted to make sure that since you made the >>>> >>>> suggestion, >>>> >>>> you are welcome to provide suggestions on people to conduct the >>>> >>>> call. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I know that someone comes to each NC state convention with an >>>> >>>> accessible voting machine to show in the exhibit hall. During this >>>> >>>> time, people can vote in a fake election and orient themselves to >>>> >>>> the >>>> >>>> machine. I am not sure if NC is still doing this since it has been >>>> >>>> a >>>> >>>> few years since the accessible machines were introduced, but I >>>> >>>> think >>>> >>>> there is still a need for outreach about accessible voting. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Keep the good membership call suggestions coming! >>>> >>>> Cindy >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 8/27/12, Joshua Lester >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> > Hi, Stephanie! >>>> >>>> > That's a great idea! >>>> >>>> > I went to my voting site, earlier this year, and the machine >>>> >>>> > didn't >>>> >>>> work. >>>> >>>> > My Disability Rights person that works for the governor, here >>>> >>>> > said >>>> >>>> he'd come >>>> >>>> > down, to show them how to work it, but he never showed up! >>>> >>>> > Thanks, Joshua >>>> >>>> > ________________________________________ >>>> >>>> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on >>>> behalf >>>> >>>> of >>>> >>>> > Stephanie DeLuca [sjhhirst at gmail.com] >>>> >>>> > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 2:53 PM >>>> >>>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS Membership Call Survey >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > I think a discussion on voting as people with disabilities would >>>> >>>> > be >>>> >>>> good. >>>> >>>> > Since a lot of people are on college campuses, it'd be a good >>>> >>>> opportunity to >>>> >>>> > get involved with informing people with disabilities (mainly VI) >>>> >>>> > about >>>> >>>> > rights and responsibilities for voting. I've been to/worked at >>>> >>>> > several >>>> >>>> > voter registration drives, and I have NEVER seen information on >>>> >>>> > voting >>>> >>>> if >>>> >>>> > you have a disability. >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > On Aug 27, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Cody Bair >>>> >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >> Hi All, >>>> >>>> >> As you are probably already aware, NABS conducts monthly >>>> >>>> >> membership >>>> >>>> calls. >>>> >>>> >> In order to get this school year started we are currently >>>> >>>> >> seeking >>>> >>>> >> your >>>> >>>> >> input on what topics you would like to see us cover this year. >>>> >>>> >> Please >>>> >>>> >> either reply directly to this thread with your suggestions or >>>> >>>> >> mail >>>> >>>> them >>>> >>>> >> directly to >>>> >>>> >> Nabs.membership at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >> Sincerely, >>>> >>>> >> The NABS membership Committee >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> >> nabs-l mailing list >>>> >>>> >> nabs-l 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nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com > From turtlepower17 at gmail.com Tue Aug 28 21:09:08 2012 From: turtlepower17 at gmail.com (Desiree Oudinot) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 17:09:08 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] ID's and Voting In-Reply-To: <5BEC910D48D54828ACFF96B7C2CE3D09@BrandonsLaptop2> References: <5BEC910D48D54828ACFF96B7C2CE3D09@BrandonsLaptop2> Message-ID: I use a signature guide to write my signature, and I write my first initial and last name. I had a teacher at the independent living center I went to who expected letters to look absolutely perfect, and as much as I resented her for it at the time, I did appreciate the fact that now I have a pretty legible signature. From trillian551 at gmail.com Tue Aug 28 21:49:42 2012 From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 17:49:42 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] ID's and Voting In-Reply-To: References: <5BEC910D48D54828ACFF96B7C2CE3D09@BrandonsLaptop2> Message-ID: Hi Desiree, I think that if you choose to fill it out online you do just get an extension since when you go to DMV they want to see documentation that you still have a in-state address and all that jazz. But, once you get to DMV, at least in Jersey they give you the option of keeping your old picture or taking a new one. If you have trouble with the flash, you might just be able to opt to keep that old picture. Unless you have grown a foot, gained or lost 50 pounds, or gotten plastic surgery, you'll be fine. I'd also recommend getting a passport, which you don't have to renew for like 10 years or some ridiculous amount of time like that. So, if you are like one of my friends, you can procrastinate for 5 years after your state ID expires and just show your passport everywhere. Even bars... Seriously though, if you are in a bind where you haven't gotten around to renewing your id, and have to fly, or if you get a chance to take a fabulous trip abroad, it's good to have an up to date passport and not deal with the stress of getting one in a rush. Mary F On 8/28/12, Desiree Oudinot wrote: > I use a signature guide to write my signature, and I write my first > initial and last name. I had a teacher at the independent living > center I went to who expected letters to look absolutely perfect, and > as much as I resented her for it at the time, I did appreciate the > fact that now I have a pretty legible signature. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com > -- Mary Fernandez Emory 2012 "A pioneer is not someone who makes her own soap. She is one who takes up her burdens and walks toward the future." -- Laurel Thatcher Ulrich From zerone1683 at gmail.com Tue Aug 28 23:34:06 2012 From: zerone1683 at gmail.com (Chun Chao) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 16:34:06 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Taking a Course in Chinese Message-ID: <000001cd8575$9e579460$db06bd20$@com> Hello Blind International Students: The following is a message that was circulated on the National Association of Blind Students (NABS) list regarding the use of Braille with foreign languages. If anyone has any information to contribute to this thread, please send all responses directly to NABS at mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org Sincerely, C.C. Alan On Aug 28, 2012, at 0:48, "Hannah Chadwick" wrote: Hello everyone, My name is Hannah Chadwick, and I'm attending UC Davis this fall. I'm planning on double majoring in international relations and linguistics with a minor in journalism. I love learning new languages, and will be taking a Chinese class. I took Spanish for 2 years in high school and I was able to use my BrailleNote for that, but I'm not sure that doing my Chinese work on the Apex will be the best idea since the alphabet will be completely different. Has anyone taken a Chinese course before? If so, what did you do in terms of writing the Chinese alphabet? Are there software out to that would read the language? Best, Hannah _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.co m From arielle71 at gmail.com Tue Aug 28 23:40:27 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 17:40:27 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Voting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Brandon, I don't really remember how I got a Braille ballot since it was eight years ago, but I think I called my county recorder's office or election office. You might be able to look this up for your state or county on Google. If you want to vote at the polls instead of using a Braille ballot, you can register like sighted people (online or at the DMV or on campus) but if you want a Braille ballot, you will need to request it separately. Arielle On 8/28/12, Cynthia Bennett wrote: > Thanks Scott for that info. That is very helpful. > > Brandon: Different states do voter registration differently. I would > Google "register to vote (insert your state)." And you'll probably > find some information. I know that when I moved to Seattle, I > registered to vote when I got my state ID. There are usually several > ways and places to register to vote. I know that with Washington, if I > already had a state ID, I could have done it online. I just would have > had to know my state ID number. So that might be an easy option. I > don't know what to tell you when it comes to the braille ballot > though. Arielle was the first person I had ever heard to talk about > such a ballot. I will say though that when the accessible voting > machines work, they are convenient. I know that some people have > talked about a confusing interface, but I honestly found it to be > pretty straight forward. Again though, there could be state > differences. Perhaps you could research what precinct you will vote > at, see if you can find a contact online and inquire about their > accessible voting machine. > > Cindy > > On 8/28/12, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: >> Hello, >> I am needing to register, how do I request the Braille ballot? >> Thank you, >> >> Brandon Keith Biggs >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Arielle Silverman >> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 9:08 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Voting >> >> When I voted for the first time in 2004 (before Help America Vote Act, >> HAVA, went into effect) I was living in Arizona and I used a mail-in >> Braille ballot. I was able to complete the entire process >> independently and I marked my answers on the ballot by circling them >> with a pen. I may have had to sign something but my signature was >> never matched against anything and as far as I know, my vote was >> counted properly (though my vote never really counts in AZ, but I >> digress). Do any other states offer accessible Braille ballots? I >> think it's an awesome idea and was surprised that Colorado apparently >> does not have them. >> When I voted again in 2006, I went to the poll excited about using an >> accessible voting machine, but the machine was nonfunctional. My >> mother and I had gone to the poll together and I was comfortable >> having her fill out my ballot, so I did that to ensure my vote went >> through. In that year the voting machines were brand-new and I >> reported the problem to an NFB committee that was collecting reports >> about the successful implementation of the HAVA regulations. I have >> used the voting machines in CO with no major issues. I am shocked and >> exasperated that people are still having problems getting the talking >> machines to work even four years after HAVA went into effect. It is >> also disturbing that a poll worker would suggest who to vote for when >> filling out a ballot as a reader and it makes me worry that some poll >> workers might be altering the votes of the people they assist. >> It might be good for someone in NABS leadership or on the membership >> committee to contact someone at national to find out what is currently >> happening with accessible voting and what the major issues are. I >> agree an informational call about how to use the voting machines, and >> what our rights are as blind voters, might be helpful for NABS >> members, although this of course is not just a student issue. >> Nevertheless, young folks voting for the first time could uniquely >> benefit from this info. >> Arielle >> >> On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: >>> This website is very informative. The following link takes you to a >>> page >>> where they have links to several laws relevant to people with >>> disabilities. >>> >>> http://www.section508.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=Laws >>> >>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Heh, I mean Cynthia, sorry! >>>> >>>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm excited to see that other people support the idea of getting >>>>> involved >>>>> but sad to admit that it's a problem. >>>>> >>>>> My story is this: In 2008, I went for early voting at one of the >>>>> designated places in Nashville. When it was my turn, they designated >>>>> a >>>>> polling machine to me. Before I began the process, I asked about >>>>> assisted >>>>> voting. Maybe I should have asked about accessible polling machines? >>>>> Anyway, he just said he'd have to help me and that was the only >>>>> option >>>>> I >>>>> had. I turned him down and went through the process myself (I do have >>>>> some >>>>> vision). >>>>> >>>>> It seems that the voting issues fall into a few categories: >>>>> 1) lack of knowledge of rights/responsibilities on behalf of the voter >>>>> 2) lack of training and knowledge of polling staff >>>>> 3) lack of a functioning accessible voting machine on site >>>>> 4) difficult-to-follow tutorials/instructions for the accessible >>>>> machine >>>>> >>>>> For me, numbers 1 and 2 seem to be the biggest problems. How do we >>>>> get >>>>> the word out and how do we insure that the people at the polling >>>>> places >>>>> are >>>>> trained and that there is a funcitoning machine available? >>>>> >>>>> I like the idea about having demos. Barring that, would it be >>>>> possible >>>>> to record a tutorial and post it online? Maybe by someone who has >>>>> used >>>>> it >>>>> recently? I've heard that the tutorial provided at the polling place >>>>> is >>>>> often not straightforward or easy to follow and that a blind user >>>>> could >>>>> do >>>>> a better job haha >>>>> >>>>> I think we should at the very least inform people of their rights. I >>>>> think finding the federal law wouldn't be too hard, but some rules >>>>> vary >>>>> state by state. I'm having trouble tracking down the information for >>>>> TN, >>>>> for example. Anyway, here is the federal law (I think). >>>>> >>>>> *Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act* >>>>> >>>>> The Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act of 1984 >>>>> generally requires polling places across the United States to be >>>>> physically >>>>> accessible to people with disabilities for federal elections. Where no >>>>> accessible location is available to serve as a polling place, a >>>>> political >>>>> subdivision must provide an alternate means of casting a ballot on the >>>>> day >>>>> of the election. This law also requires states to make available >>>>> registration and voting aids for disabled and elderly voters, >>>>> including >>>>> information by TTYs (also known as TDDs) or similar devices. For more >>>>> information, contact: >>>>> >>>>> U.S. Department of Justice >>>>> Civil Rights Division >>>>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >>>>> Voting Section - 1800 G >>>>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >>>>> >>>>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *National Voter Registration Act* >>>>> >>>>> The National Voter Registration Act of 1993, also known as the "Motor >>>>> Voter Act," makes it easier for all Americans to exercise their >>>>> fundamental >>>>> right to vote. One of the basic purposes of the Act is to increase the >>>>> historically low registration rates of minorities and persons with >>>>> disabilities that have resulted from discrimination. The Motor Voter >>>>> Act >>>>> requires all offices of State-funded programs that are primarily >>>>> engaged >>>>> in >>>>> providing services to persons with disabilities to provide all program >>>>> applicants with voter registration forms, to assist them in completing >>>>> the >>>>> forms, and to transmit completed forms to the appropriate State >>>>> official. >>>>> For more information, contact: >>>>> >>>>> U.S. Department of Justice >>>>> Civil Rights Division >>>>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >>>>> Voting Section - 1800 G >>>>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >>>>> >>>>> www.usdoj.gov/crt/voting >>>>> >>>>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >>>>> >>>>> It seems that the NFB has a lot of lawyers. Is it possible for us to >>>>> get >>>>> someone trained in law to help us with this one? >>>>> >>>>> Here is another good resource, the Department of Justice: >>>>> http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/drs/ >>>>> >>>>> One question I have is, why aren't ALL voting machines accessible? It >>>>> seems like this is more of a software issue. Would it not be possible >>>>> to >>>>> write accessible software to be used on all machines? >>>>> >>>>> One other thing is that we should encourage people to file a complaint >>>>> if >>>>> they have these aforementioned problems this year and in the future. >>>>> We >>>>> (the NFB) should provide information on that, as well. >>>>> >>>>> While I think this is a concern for the whole NFB on a national level, >>>>> I >>>>> think as students, we are in a good spot to target new voters and >>>>> college >>>>> students who have not voted before. Maybe we could draft a brochure >>>>> about >>>>> rights and responsibilities and general information (maybe even for >>>>> people >>>>> who aren't blind but are disabled?) and make sure it gets distributed >>>>> at >>>>> voter registration drives going on campus. >>>>> >>>>> Cindy also makes a good point about getting to the voting place. >>>>> Also, >>>>> this will become even more difficult in many states that require valid >>>>> state IDs (like TN, AL, AR, etc.). How should we deal with this? >>>>> >>>>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Cynthia Bennett >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Stephanie: >>>>>> >>>>>> That is a great idea. I had a similar experience as Josh as I voted >>>>>> in >>>>>> my first election. They were the 2008 primaries, and I was very >>>>>> excited. When the machine did not work, I asked a poll worker to >>>>>> assist me. They filled in the ballot as I wished, but the worker did >>>>>> make some comments about their preference on a politician. This >>>>>> occured when I said that I did not want to vote for a particular >>>>>> office, because I was unfamiliar with any of the candidates. I said >>>>>> something like, "I don't want to fill in anything for this," and the >>>>>> worker responded with "Oh, I heard that ___ is pretty good. Do you >>>>>> want me to fill in his/her name?" I chose to still not vote for that >>>>>> particular office. This practice is illegal, and I chose not to say >>>>>> anything about it. But I do think that an informational call about >>>>>> rights and accessible voting machines would be awesome. >>>>>> Unfortunately, >>>>>> each state is a little different, but information about federal >>>>>> mandates on the presence of accessible voting machines/rights and >>>>>> some >>>>>> typical patterns in accessible voting in states would be great. For >>>>>> example, Washington conducts mail ballots. There are a few precincts >>>>>> around town, but if you work in a neighborhood in which it takes a >>>>>> while to get to a precinct, you are at a disadvantage as a blind >>>>>> person. So, you can either take off work and use public >>>>>> transportation >>>>>> to navigate to one of the few and very busy precincts and wait in a >>>>>> 3-hour line, or you can find a reader and disclose your voting >>>>>> preferences. The other animal in this issue is that if you choose to >>>>>> get a reader to fill out your signature does not match the signature >>>>>> on your state ID which is kept on file, then your ballot can be >>>>>> deemed >>>>>> as false and not counted. As a blind person, I do the best I can with >>>>>> my signature, but I do think that even the most ambitious blind >>>>>> people >>>>>> are at a disadvantage when having to match a signature, and our >>>>>> ballots could not be counted, and we may not hear about it, or we >>>>>> would learn of it after elections are closed. If we are afraid that >>>>>> our signature may not match that of our state ID, then we can have 2 >>>>>> witnesses sign. But that is 2 more people that have to see my ballot. >>>>>> I do not think that this practice is common within the states, and I >>>>>> would definitely not like my experience to dominate the nature of the >>>>>> call, but I wanted to relay it to show that I think this is a very >>>>>> good idea. I would personally like some professional/legal >>>>>> advice/legal suggestions on how this can be changed. >>>>>> >>>>>> So, if you have any suggestions on people to conduct this call, or >>>>>> resources for where this information can be found, please share it. >>>>>> If >>>>>> not, the membership committee will certainly take the initiative to >>>>>> conduct an informative call if we do in fact decide to pursue this >>>>>> topic. But I wanted to make sure that since you made the suggestion, >>>>>> you are welcome to provide suggestions on people to conduct the call. >>>>>> >>>>>> I know that someone comes to each NC state convention with an >>>>>> accessible voting machine to show in the exhibit hall. During this >>>>>> time, people can vote in a fake election and orient themselves to the >>>>>> machine. I am not sure if NC is still doing this since it has been a >>>>>> few years since the accessible machines were introduced, but I think >>>>>> there is still a need for outreach about accessible voting. >>>>>> >>>>>> Keep the good membership call suggestions coming! >>>>>> Cindy >>>>>> >>>>>> On 8/27/12, Joshua Lester >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> > Hi, Stephanie! >>>>>> > That's a great idea! >>>>>> > I went to my voting site, earlier this year, and the machine didn't >>>>>> work. >>>>>> > My Disability Rights person that works for the governor, here said >>>>>> he'd come >>>>>> > down, to show them how to work it, but he never showed up! >>>>>> > Thanks, Joshua >>>>>> > ________________________________________ >>>>>> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on >>>>>> > behalf >>>>>> of >>>>>> > Stephanie DeLuca [sjhhirst at gmail.com] >>>>>> > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 2:53 PM >>>>>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS Membership Call Survey >>>>>> > >>>>>> > I think a discussion on voting as people with disabilities would be >>>>>> good. >>>>>> > Since a lot of people are on college campuses, it'd be a good >>>>>> opportunity to >>>>>> > get involved with informing people with disabilities (mainly VI) >>>>>> > about >>>>>> > rights and responsibilities for voting. I've been to/worked at >>>>>> > several >>>>>> > voter registration drives, and I have NEVER seen information on >>>>>> > voting >>>>>> if >>>>>> > you have a disability. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Aug 27, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Cody Bair wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> >> Hi All, >>>>>> >> As you are probably already aware, NABS conducts monthly >>>>>> >> membership >>>>>> calls. >>>>>> >> In order to get this school year started we are currently seeking >>>>>> >> your >>>>>> >> input on what topics you would like to see us cover this year. >>>>>> >> Please >>>>>> >> either reply directly to this thread with your suggestions or mail >>>>>> them >>>>>> >> directly to >>>>>> >> Nabs.membership at gmail.com >>>>>> >> Sincerely, >>>>>> >> The NABS membership Committee >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> >> for >>>>>> >> nabs-l: >>>>>> >> >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>>> > nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> > for >>>>>> > nabs-l: >>>>>> > >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>>> > nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> > for >>>>>> > nabs-l: >>>>>> > >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Cynthia Bennett >>>>>> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >>>>>> >>>>>> clb5590 at gmail.com >>>>>> 828.989.5383 >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Cynthia Bennett > B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington > > clb5590 at gmail.com > 828.989.5383 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From anjelinac26 at gmail.com Wed Aug 29 00:15:44 2012 From: anjelinac26 at gmail.com (Anjelina) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 20:15:44 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Taking notes with a laptop when reading textbooks Message-ID: <026801cd857b$6f9b1b00$4ed15100$@gmail.com> Good evening all, I hope the start of the semester is going smoothly. Last week my old way of taking notes broke down. This may be a basic question but I'm wanting feedback how y'all take notes on a laptop. My Apex will be going to Humanware for a repair. Since I only have a laptop to take notes, what are some effective strategies you have used to read texts as well as take notes? Do you alt tab from your document window to the text and write notes, or do you write in your file of the textbook? Thanks for any input. Anjelina From clb5590 at gmail.com Wed Aug 29 00:21:06 2012 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cynthia Bennett) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 17:21:06 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Taking notes with a laptop when reading textbooks In-Reply-To: <026801cd857b$6f9b1b00$4ed15100$@gmail.com> References: <026801cd857b$6f9b1b00$4ed15100$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I would keep separate documents for notes. I would often combine them with my class notes. If I read before the class, I would insert class notes in; if I read after, I would do the opposite. One suggestion I have is that if you have your books in text files and if you come across a deffinition or paragraph that strikes you as important is to just copy and paste the content into your notes file. I'm sorry to hear about your braille method not working temporarily. I much prefered studying braille notes. Cindy On 8/28/12, Anjelina wrote: > Good evening all, > > I hope the start of the semester is going smoothly. Last week my old way of > taking notes broke down. This may be a basic question but I'm wanting > feedback how y'all take notes on a laptop. > > My Apex will be going to Humanware for a repair. Since I only have a laptop > to take notes, what are some effective strategies you have used to read > texts as well as take notes? > > Do you alt tab from your document window to the text and write notes, or do > you write in your file of the textbook? > > Thanks for any input. > > > > Anjelina > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com > -- Cynthia Bennett B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com 828.989.5383 From marsha.drenth at gmail.com Wed Aug 29 00:22:06 2012 From: marsha.drenth at gmail.com (Marsha Drenth) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 20:22:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Taking notes with a laptop when reading textbooks In-Reply-To: <026801cd857b$6f9b1b00$4ed15100$@gmail.com> References: <026801cd857b$6f9b1b00$4ed15100$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Angie, assuming your textbooks are on the computer or the victore stream. I might use your Iphone to take the notes, or vice versa. Too bad to hear about your Apex. My troubles lie in my laptop crashed and burned a few weeks ago. So classes started and I have no laptop, but have my apex and my Iphone. Hope this works for you, Marsha Marsha drenthSent from my iPhone On Aug 28, 2012, at 8:15 PM, "Anjelina" wrote: > Good evening all, > > I hope the start of the semester is going smoothly. Last week my old way of > taking notes broke down. This may be a basic question but I'm wanting > feedback how y'all take notes on a laptop. > > My Apex will be going to Humanware for a repair. Since I only have a laptop > to take notes, what are some effective strategies you have used to read > texts as well as take notes? > > Do you alt tab from your document window to the text and write notes, or do > you write in your file of the textbook? > > Thanks for any input. > > > > Anjelina > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.com From brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com Wed Aug 29 01:02:06 2012 From: brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com (Brandon Keith Biggs) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 18:02:06 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Taking notes with a laptop when reading textbooks In-Reply-To: <026801cd857b$6f9b1b00$4ed15100$@gmail.com> References: <026801cd857b$6f9b1b00$4ed15100$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9D802E14BADF46448377DCB9A510AF43@BrandonsLaptop2> Hello, I read the textbook before hand and don't even touch it in class. I just write in a word document what the teacher is saying, even if it is already in the text book. It would look something like this attached. When I write notes I write in Brandonies, so it looks like example1. I then spellcheck it and whatnot when I get home if I feel like it and come up with example2. Reading guide: the star is something he wrote on the board and that would be on the tests. Questions are always at the bottom so I can hurriedly go down to the question and ask it or type a new one. I try separating things by topic types, but that doesn't always work. There are fun facts in there that are by themselves, just for my info. Thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs -----Original Message----- From: Anjelina Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 5:15 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Taking notes with a laptop when reading textbooks Good evening all, I hope the start of the semester is going smoothly. Last week my old way of taking notes broke down. This may be a basic question but I'm wanting feedback how y'all take notes on a laptop. My Apex will be going to Humanware for a repair. Since I only have a laptop to take notes, what are some effective strategies you have used to read texts as well as take notes? Do you alt tab from your document window to the text and write notes, or do you write in your file of the textbook? Thanks for any input. Anjelina _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Example1 Notes Thursday May 10 2012 The PP Chain.doc Type: application/msword Size: 35840 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Example2 Notes Thursday May 10 2012 The PP Chain.doc Type: application/msword Size: 36352 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Wed Aug 29 02:17:27 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 22:17:27 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Membership Call Survey In-Reply-To: References: <1346095971.37964.YahooMailClassic@web110705.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5C0973A9F1EF42BFAA736EA439EB1E5E@OwnerPC> Hi, Couldn't you plan ahead of time and take a friend or family member or even a reader to a DMV? I found it helpful to have someone with me because its kind of visual. You have to fill out a form, wait in a row of crowded chairs, and then go to two different counters, the last one is where they take your photo and give you the ID. If you have to go alone, a cab is the best option because you do not know how long it will take. I think getting to the DMV is a chore, but it’s a pain for everyone. I don't think having to show Photo id is fair either, but that is a separate issue. I also think on the subject of ID cards that its not fair that drivers can renew online where as you got to go in person to renew your photo id. They should let nondrivers renew online too! Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Stephanie H. DeLuca Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 12:15 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS Membership Call Survey Hm my main concern with the IDs is that people have to get to the DMV somehow. In places like Nashville, that's not exactly straightforward. I guess they could take a cab? It just sucks because, I think before, people could just use a student ID (speaking about our own age group). Now, the states have made it more difficult than it already was. Rhode Island has an interesting approach to this (and someone correct me if I'm wrong). If you don't have a state ID on you at the polling place, you can sign an affidavit of identity, which basically just certifies that you are who you say you are. I like this idea (well, except for the whole signature thing, which I had never thought about). http://www.ncsl.org/legislatures-elections/elections/voter-id.aspx In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Cynthia Bennett wrote: > Stephanie: > > This is great informaition. Thanks for going so much in depth. > > The ID issue is the easiest. I don't know of a state that doesn't > offer a nondriving photo ID. This can be obtained wherever you would > go to get your driver's license. It looks just like and contains all > of the information that a driver's license contains. It is a > legitimate form of ID. I had no problems at the precincts in NC when I > showed my photo ID. > > Where ID's relate to my concern is that when you get your ID, you have > to sign the bottom. The DMV that I went to had an electronic pad that > you sign with a stylus. I typically like to place a finger down on a > paper to orient myself before I write my signature. But touching the > electronic pad made a finger print. After a few unsuccessful tries, > the agent gave me an index card, and they elected to process my > signature the old way. This was helpful, but even though I have been > signing my name since I was 7, I really don't have any way of knowing > if I have signed my name exactly the way it looks on my state ID; this > signature is kept on file with the state so they don't actually have > to look at your ID to see it. I know that the intentions of this are > good and in place to prevent voter fraud, but as a blind person, I > feel like it pretty much gives me no choice but to find 2 witnesses to > sign my ballot and varify my signature, and I think that is unfair > since a sighted person can fill out their ballot independently and > forego the long precinct lines since they are located far and few > between due to the mailed-out ballots being the primary method used > for voting. > > I'm sure the membership committee will look at all of this information > and decide if this call is a good idea, which I think we will, and we > will work to find appropriate people to conduct the call. Thanks so > much for the information. It was really great to read. > > And, I go by Cindy so that's fine. > > Cindy > > On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: > > This website is very informative. The following link takes you to a > > page > > where they have links to several laws relevant to people with > disabilities. > > > > http://www.section508.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=Laws > > > > In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. > > ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca > > wrote: > > > >> Heh, I mean Cynthia, sorry! > >> > >> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. > >> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 > >> > >> > >> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca > >> wrote: > >> > >>> I'm excited to see that other people support the idea of getting > >>> involved > >>> but sad to admit that it's a problem. > >>> > >>> My story is this: In 2008, I went for early voting at one of the > >>> designated places in Nashville. When it was my turn, they designated > >>> a > >>> polling machine to me. Before I began the process, I asked about > >>> assisted > >>> voting. Maybe I should have asked about accessible polling machines? > >>> Anyway, he just said he'd have to help me and that was the only > >>> option > >>> I > >>> had. I turned him down and went through the process myself (I do have > >>> some > >>> vision). > >>> > >>> It seems that the voting issues fall into a few categories: > >>> 1) lack of knowledge of rights/responsibilities on behalf of the voter > >>> 2) lack of training and knowledge of polling staff > >>> 3) lack of a functioning accessible voting machine on site > >>> 4) difficult-to-follow tutorials/instructions for the accessible > machine > >>> > >>> For me, numbers 1 and 2 seem to be the biggest problems. How do we > >>> get > >>> the word out and how do we insure that the people at the polling > >>> places > >>> are > >>> trained and that there is a funcitoning machine available? > >>> > >>> I like the idea about having demos. Barring that, would it be > >>> possible > >>> to record a tutorial and post it online? Maybe by someone who has > >>> used > >>> it > >>> recently? I've heard that the tutorial provided at the polling place > is > >>> often not straightforward or easy to follow and that a blind user > >>> could > >>> do > >>> a better job haha > >>> > >>> I think we should at the very least inform people of their rights. I > >>> think finding the federal law wouldn't be too hard, but some rules > >>> vary > >>> state by state. I'm having trouble tracking down the information for > >>> TN, > >>> for example. Anyway, here is the federal law (I think). > >>> > >>> *Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act* > >>> > >>> The Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act of 1984 > >>> generally requires polling places across the United States to be > >>> physically > >>> accessible to people with disabilities for federal elections. Where no > >>> accessible location is available to serve as a polling place, a > >>> political > >>> subdivision must provide an alternate means of casting a ballot on the > >>> day > >>> of the election. This law also requires states to make available > >>> registration and voting aids for disabled and elderly voters, > >>> including > >>> information by TTYs (also known as TDDs) or similar devices. For more > >>> information, contact: > >>> > >>> U.S. Department of Justice > >>> Civil Rights Division > >>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. > >>> Voting Section - 1800 G > >>> Washington, D.C. 20530 > >>> > >>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> *National Voter Registration Act* > >>> > >>> The National Voter Registration Act of 1993, also known as the "Motor > >>> Voter Act," makes it easier for all Americans to exercise their > >>> fundamental > >>> right to vote. One of the basic purposes of the Act is to increase the > >>> historically low registration rates of minorities and persons with > >>> disabilities that have resulted from discrimination. The Motor Voter > Act > >>> requires all offices of State-funded programs that are primarily > engaged > >>> in > >>> providing services to persons with disabilities to provide all program > >>> applicants with voter registration forms, to assist them in completing > >>> the > >>> forms, and to transmit completed forms to the appropriate State > >>> official. > >>> For more information, contact: > >>> > >>> U.S. Department of Justice > >>> Civil Rights Division > >>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. > >>> Voting Section - 1800 G > >>> Washington, D.C. 20530 > >>> > >>> www.usdoj.gov/crt/voting > >>> > >>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) > >>> > >>> It seems that the NFB has a lot of lawyers. Is it possible for us to > >>> get > >>> someone trained in law to help us with this one? > >>> > >>> Here is another good resource, the Department of Justice: > >>> http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/drs/ > >>> > >>> One question I have is, why aren't ALL voting machines accessible? It > >>> seems like this is more of a software issue. Would it not be possible > >>> to > >>> write accessible software to be used on all machines? > >>> > >>> One other thing is that we should encourage people to file a complaint > >>> if > >>> they have these aforementioned problems this year and in the future. > We > >>> (the NFB) should provide information on that, as well. > >>> > >>> While I think this is a concern for the whole NFB on a national level, > I > >>> think as students, we are in a good spot to target new voters and > >>> college > >>> students who have not voted before. Maybe we could draft a brochure > >>> about > >>> rights and responsibilities and general information (maybe even for > >>> people > >>> who aren't blind but are disabled?) and make sure it gets distributed > at > >>> voter registration drives going on campus. > >>> > >>> Cindy also makes a good point about getting to the voting place. > >>> Also, > >>> this will become even more difficult in many states that require valid > >>> state IDs (like TN, AL, AR, etc.). How should we deal with this? > >>> > >>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. > >>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Cynthia Bennett > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Stephanie: > >>>> > >>>> That is a great idea. I had a similar experience as Josh as I voted > >>>> in > >>>> my first election. They were the 2008 primaries, and I was very > >>>> excited. When the machine did not work, I asked a poll worker to > >>>> assist me. They filled in the ballot as I wished, but the worker did > >>>> make some comments about their preference on a politician. This > >>>> occured when I said that I did not want to vote for a particular > >>>> office, because I was unfamiliar with any of the candidates. I said > >>>> something like, "I don't want to fill in anything for this," and the > >>>> worker responded with "Oh, I heard that ___ is pretty good. Do you > >>>> want me to fill in his/her name?" I chose to still not vote for that > >>>> particular office. This practice is illegal, and I chose not to say > >>>> anything about it. But I do think that an informational call about > >>>> rights and accessible voting machines would be awesome. > >>>> Unfortunately, > >>>> each state is a little different, but information about federal > >>>> mandates on the presence of accessible voting machines/rights and > >>>> some > >>>> typical patterns in accessible voting in states would be great. For > >>>> example, Washington conducts mail ballots. There are a few precincts > >>>> around town, but if you work in a neighborhood in which it takes a > >>>> while to get to a precinct, you are at a disadvantage as a blind > >>>> person. So, you can either take off work and use public > >>>> transportation > >>>> to navigate to one of the few and very busy precincts and wait in a > >>>> 3-hour line, or you can find a reader and disclose your voting > >>>> preferences. The other animal in this issue is that if you choose to > >>>> get a reader to fill out your signature does not match the signature > >>>> on your state ID which is kept on file, then your ballot can be > >>>> deemed > >>>> as false and not counted. As a blind person, I do the best I can with > >>>> my signature, but I do think that even the most ambitious blind > >>>> people > >>>> are at a disadvantage when having to match a signature, and our > >>>> ballots could not be counted, and we may not hear about it, or we > >>>> would learn of it after elections are closed. If we are afraid that > >>>> our signature may not match that of our state ID, then we can have 2 > >>>> witnesses sign. But that is 2 more people that have to see my ballot. > >>>> I do not think that this practice is common within the states, and I > >>>> would definitely not like my experience to dominate the nature of the > >>>> call, but I wanted to relay it to show that I think this is a very > >>>> good idea. I would personally like some professional/legal > >>>> advice/legal suggestions on how this can be changed. > >>>> > >>>> So, if you have any suggestions on people to conduct this call, or > >>>> resources for where this information can be found, please share it. > >>>> If > >>>> not, the membership committee will certainly take the initiative to > >>>> conduct an informative call if we do in fact decide to pursue this > >>>> topic. But I wanted to make sure that since you made the suggestion, > >>>> you are welcome to provide suggestions on people to conduct the call. > >>>> > >>>> I know that someone comes to each NC state convention with an > >>>> accessible voting machine to show in the exhibit hall. During this > >>>> time, people can vote in a fake election and orient themselves to the > >>>> machine. I am not sure if NC is still doing this since it has been a > >>>> few years since the accessible machines were introduced, but I think > >>>> there is still a need for outreach about accessible voting. > >>>> > >>>> Keep the good membership call suggestions coming! > >>>> Cindy > >>>> > >>>> On 8/27/12, Joshua Lester > wrote: > >>>> > Hi, Stephanie! > >>>> > That's a great idea! > >>>> > I went to my voting site, earlier this year, and the machine didn't > >>>> work. > >>>> > My Disability Rights person that works for the governor, here said > >>>> he'd come > >>>> > down, to show them how to work it, but he never showed up! > >>>> > Thanks, Joshua > >>>> > ________________________________________ > >>>> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on > behalf > >>>> of > >>>> > Stephanie DeLuca [sjhhirst at gmail.com] > >>>> > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 2:53 PM > >>>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >>>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS Membership Call Survey > >>>> > > >>>> > I think a discussion on voting as people with disabilities would be > >>>> good. > >>>> > Since a lot of people are on college campuses, it'd be a good > >>>> opportunity to > >>>> > get involved with informing people with disabilities (mainly VI) > >>>> > about > >>>> > rights and responsibilities for voting. I've been to/worked at > >>>> > several > >>>> > voter registration drives, and I have NEVER seen information on > >>>> > voting > >>>> if > >>>> > you have a disability. > >>>> > > >>>> > On Aug 27, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Cody Bair wrote: > >>>> > > >>>> >> Hi All, > >>>> >> As you are probably already aware, NABS conducts monthly > >>>> >> membership > >>>> calls. > >>>> >> In order to get this school year started we are currently seeking > >>>> >> your > >>>> >> input on what topics you would like to see us cover this year. > >>>> >> Please > >>>> >> either reply directly to this thread with your suggestions or mail > >>>> them > >>>> >> directly to > >>>> >> Nabs.membership at gmail.com > >>>> >> Sincerely, > >>>> >> The NABS membership Committee > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> _______________________________________________ > >>>> >> nabs-l mailing list > >>>> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >>>> >> for > >>>> >> nabs-l: > >>>> >> > >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > _______________________________________________ > >>>> > nabs-l mailing list > >>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > >>>> > nabs-l: > >>>> > > >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > _______________________________________________ > >>>> > nabs-l mailing list > >>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > >>>> > nabs-l: > >>>> > > >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com > >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Cynthia Bennett > >>>> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington > >>>> > >>>> clb5590 at gmail.com > >>>> 828.989.5383 > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>> nabs-l: > >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com > > > > > -- > Cynthia Bennett > B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington > > clb5590 at gmail.com > 828.989.5383 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Wed Aug 29 02:20:01 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 22:20:01 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Using Google Docs In-Reply-To: <00c901cd84d4$e9f54170$0201a8c0@bfa617c5f939410> References: <1346095971.37964.YahooMailClassic@web110705.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <00c901cd84d4$e9f54170$0201a8c0@bfa617c5f939410> Message-ID: <095CFF9B652445B898C1460E9BAD7DC8@OwnerPC> Hi, yep google docs wasn't accessible; I couldn't read those files either -----Original Message----- From: Melissa Hambleton Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 12:23 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Using Google Docs With my experience, it is not accessible. The only thing that I have had to view and fill out are tables and it requires me to have a sighted person help me fill out the fields. I subscribe to a technology for the blind mailing list and I have asked about Google docs early this year and some folks got back to me saying that it was not accessible for them but, I don't know what they were trying to access through Google docs. I have an App for Google docs and it doesn't make things any better, if anything it makes it worse to try and read anything for me. What ever Google does when creating Google docs has some people in the blind community puzzled with how they have it set up because it just doesn't work well at all for the ones who use screen readers I believe. Melissa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Mohnke" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 9:00 PM Subject: [nabs-l] Using Google Docs > Hello List, > > I know there has been some discussion before on this list about the > accessibility of Google Docks. However, I cannot recall how accessible > this file sharing tool is for those of us who are blind. > My college sent me one of my textbooks using Google Docs, and before I > tell them that it is inaccessible, I thought I would seek out a second > opinion on this list. > > So, for those of you who are more tech savvy than me, is there a way to > access files on Google Docs, and if so, how would I go about doing it? The > files I am trying to access are PDF files if that makes a difference. I > have tried using both Internet Explorer and Mozilla FireFox without any > success. > If anyone has any advice on using Google Docs, I would greatly appreciate > hearing from you. > > Thanks, > Elizabeth > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mysticalcharm%40comcast.net > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5229 - Release Date: 08/27/12 > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From sparklylicious at gmail.com Wed Aug 29 02:22:53 2012 From: sparklylicious at gmail.com (Hannah Chadwick) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 19:22:53 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Taking a Course in Chinese Message-ID: <00ac01cd858d$32828570$97879050$@gmail.com> Hi all, Thank you for the info. I'm not interested in learning all the millions of characters but rather the Chinese alphabe. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chun Chao Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:34 PM To: blind-international-students at nfbnet.org Cc: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Taking a Course in Chinese Hello Blind International Students: The following is a message that was circulated on the National Association of Blind Students (NABS) list regarding the use of Braille with foreign languages. If anyone has any information to contribute to this thread, please send all responses directly to NABS at mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org Sincerely, C.C. Alan On Aug 28, 2012, at 0:48, "Hannah Chadwick" wrote: Hello everyone, My name is Hannah Chadwick, and I'm attending UC Davis this fall. I'm planning on double majoring in international relations and linguistics with a minor in journalism. I love learning new languages, and will be taking a Chinese class. I took Spanish for 2 years in high school and I was able to use my BrailleNote for that, but I'm not sure that doing my Chinese work on the Apex will be the best idea since the alphabet will be completely different. Has anyone taken a Chinese course before? If so, what did you do in terms of writing the Chinese alphabet? Are there software out to that would read the language? Best, Hannah _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.co m _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sparklylicious%40gmail.c om From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Wed Aug 29 02:25:43 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 22:25:43 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] ID's and Voting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Desiree, Just get it renewed as sonn as you can. No it isn't illegal, but if someone looks at your ID and sees its expired, they will not accept it. So, if you try to say cash a check, need to buy something and ID is required or go elsewhere and try to get a goods or services, they will not honor your ID. They will ask for a nonexpired ID card. But a way to get around this til you get another id is use another form. For instance, use a passport if you have one. As for the photo, why can't they take your photo without the flash? You need your eyes open, but it only takes a second to do. Havint the eyes in the picture is part of being identified. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Desiree Oudinot Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 1:32 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ID's and Voting Oh yeah, going to the dmv definitely does suck. Not because you have to wait forever. I can deal with that. What really, and I mean really! annoys me, is the fact that I am very sensitive to light, so I tend to squint a lot, or involuntarily close my eyes, especially when I know something unpleasant is coming like a camera flash. Of course, the people at the dmv keep trying to get a picture of me with my eyes open, and are quite rude after the first few tries with no success. I understand they have a job to do, but it's not exactly something I can help. It's not like I can wear sunglasses for the picture, that would be even more unacceptable. I only had to do this process once, and actually my time to renew is fast approaching. In fact, my ID is very close to expiring, mostly because I don't really have anyone to take me to the dmv. what happens if your ID expires? Is that illegal? They send you a letter with the date to have it done by, so I guess if I don't somehow get it done in the next few days, I'd like to know if I'm going to have cops busting down my door or something. On 8/28/12, Cynthia Bennett wrote: > Oh I totally agree. And, it is common for sighted people to have > nondriving licenses since many people who live in cities just don't > drive. > > The stamp is a good idea, and not just for voting. I hadn't thought of > that. Where would you get a custom stamp made? > > Cindy > > On 8/27/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: >> Hi all, >> I think it is fair for a blind person to need to get a state ID card >> or non-driving license. Going to the DMV sucks but it sucks for >> sighted people too. Having some kind of legal identification is just >> part of living in this country as an adult and enables us to >> participate in all the same activities as those with drivers' >> licenses, including flying on airplanes and passing the age test to >> buy alcohol (I don't think student ID is acceptable for either of >> these things, whether you are sighted or blind). I do, however, agree >> that requiring a blind person to give a signature that matches one on >> file is probably unfair even if it is not intended to be >> discriminatory. A blind person could get around this by signing with a >> stamp, though I'm not sure how long those last. >> Arielle >> On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: >>> Hm my main concern with the IDs is that people have to get to the DMV >>> somehow. In places like Nashville, that's not exactly straightforward. >>> I >>> guess they could take a cab? It just sucks because, I think before, >>> people >>> could just use a student ID (speaking about our own age group). Now, >>> the >>> states have made it more difficult than it already was. >>> >>> Rhode Island has an interesting approach to this (and someone correct me >>> if >>> I'm wrong). If you don't have a state ID on you at the polling place, >>> you >>> can sign an affidavit of identity, which basically just certifies that >>> you >>> are who you say you are. I like this idea (well, except for the whole >>> signature thing, which I had never thought about). >>> >>> http://www.ncsl.org/legislatures-elections/elections/voter-id.aspx >>> >>> >>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Cynthia Bennett >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Stephanie: >>>> >>>> This is great informaition. Thanks for going so much in depth. >>>> >>>> The ID issue is the easiest. I don't know of a state that doesn't >>>> offer a nondriving photo ID. This can be obtained wherever you would >>>> go to get your driver's license. It looks just like and contains all >>>> of the information that a driver's license contains. It is a >>>> legitimate form of ID. I had no problems at the precincts in NC when I >>>> showed my photo ID. >>>> >>>> Where ID's relate to my concern is that when you get your ID, you have >>>> to sign the bottom. The DMV that I went to had an electronic pad that >>>> you sign with a stylus. I typically like to place a finger down on a >>>> paper to orient myself before I write my signature. But touching the >>>> electronic pad made a finger print. After a few unsuccessful tries, >>>> the agent gave me an index card, and they elected to process my >>>> signature the old way. This was helpful, but even though I have been >>>> signing my name since I was 7, I really don't have any way of knowing >>>> if I have signed my name exactly the way it looks on my state ID; this >>>> signature is kept on file with the state so they don't actually have >>>> to look at your ID to see it. I know that the intentions of this are >>>> good and in place to prevent voter fraud, but as a blind person, I >>>> feel like it pretty much gives me no choice but to find 2 witnesses to >>>> sign my ballot and varify my signature, and I think that is unfair >>>> since a sighted person can fill out their ballot independently and >>>> forego the long precinct lines since they are located far and few >>>> between due to the mailed-out ballots being the primary method used >>>> for voting. >>>> >>>> I'm sure the membership committee will look at all of this information >>>> and decide if this call is a good idea, which I think we will, and we >>>> will work to find appropriate people to conduct the call. Thanks so >>>> much for the information. It was really great to read. >>>> >>>> And, I go by Cindy so that's fine. >>>> >>>> Cindy >>>> >>>> On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: >>>> > This website is very informative. The following link takes you to a >>>> > page >>>> > where they have links to several laws relevant to people with >>>> disabilities. >>>> > >>>> > http://www.section508.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=Laws >>>> > >>>> > In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>> > ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca >>>> > wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> Heh, I mean Cynthia, sorry! >>>> >> >>>> >> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>> >> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >>> I'm excited to see that other people support the idea of getting >>>> >>> involved >>>> >>> but sad to admit that it's a problem. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> My story is this: In 2008, I went for early voting at one of the >>>> >>> designated places in Nashville. When it was my turn, they >>>> >>> designated >>>> >>> a >>>> >>> polling machine to me. Before I began the process, I asked about >>>> >>> assisted >>>> >>> voting. Maybe I should have asked about accessible polling >>>> >>> machines? >>>> >>> Anyway, he just said he'd have to help me and that was the only >>>> >>> option >>>> >>> I >>>> >>> had. I turned him down and went through the process myself (I do >>>> >>> have >>>> >>> some >>>> >>> vision). >>>> >>> >>>> >>> It seems that the voting issues fall into a few categories: >>>> >>> 1) lack of knowledge of rights/responsibilities on behalf of the >>>> >>> voter >>>> >>> 2) lack of training and knowledge of polling staff >>>> >>> 3) lack of a functioning accessible voting machine on site >>>> >>> 4) difficult-to-follow tutorials/instructions for the accessible >>>> machine >>>> >>> >>>> >>> For me, numbers 1 and 2 seem to be the biggest problems. How do we >>>> >>> get >>>> >>> the word out and how do we insure that the people at the polling >>>> >>> places >>>> >>> are >>>> >>> trained and that there is a funcitoning machine available? >>>> >>> >>>> >>> I like the idea about having demos. Barring that, would it be >>>> >>> possible >>>> >>> to record a tutorial and post it online? Maybe by someone who has >>>> >>> used >>>> >>> it >>>> >>> recently? I've heard that the tutorial provided at the polling >>>> >>> place >>>> is >>>> >>> often not straightforward or easy to follow and that a blind user >>>> >>> could >>>> >>> do >>>> >>> a better job haha >>>> >>> >>>> >>> I think we should at the very least inform people of their rights. >>>> >>> I >>>> >>> think finding the federal law wouldn't be too hard, but some rules >>>> >>> vary >>>> >>> state by state. I'm having trouble tracking down the information >>>> >>> for >>>> >>> TN, >>>> >>> for example. Anyway, here is the federal law (I think). >>>> >>> >>>> >>> *Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act* >>>> >>> >>>> >>> The Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act of >>>> >>> 1984 >>>> >>> generally requires polling places across the United States to be >>>> >>> physically >>>> >>> accessible to people with disabilities for federal elections. Where >>>> >>> no >>>> >>> accessible location is available to serve as a polling place, a >>>> >>> political >>>> >>> subdivision must provide an alternate means of casting a ballot on >>>> >>> the >>>> >>> day >>>> >>> of the election. This law also requires states to make available >>>> >>> registration and voting aids for disabled and elderly voters, >>>> >>> including >>>> >>> information by TTYs (also known as TDDs) or similar devices. For >>>> >>> more >>>> >>> information, contact: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> U.S. Department of Justice >>>> >>> Civil Rights Division >>>> >>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >>>> >>> Voting Section - 1800 G >>>> >>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >>>> >>> >>>> >>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> *National Voter Registration Act* >>>> >>> >>>> >>> The National Voter Registration Act of 1993, also known as the >>>> >>> "Motor >>>> >>> Voter Act," makes it easier for all Americans to exercise their >>>> >>> fundamental >>>> >>> right to vote. One of the basic purposes of the Act is to increase >>>> >>> the >>>> >>> historically low registration rates of minorities and persons with >>>> >>> disabilities that have resulted from discrimination. The Motor >>>> >>> Voter >>>> Act >>>> >>> requires all offices of State-funded programs that are primarily >>>> engaged >>>> >>> in >>>> >>> providing services to persons with disabilities to provide all >>>> >>> program >>>> >>> applicants with voter registration forms, to assist them in >>>> >>> completing >>>> >>> the >>>> >>> forms, and to transmit completed forms to the appropriate State >>>> >>> official. >>>> >>> For more information, contact: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> U.S. Department of Justice >>>> >>> Civil Rights Division >>>> >>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >>>> >>> Voting Section - 1800 G >>>> >>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >>>> >>> >>>> >>> www.usdoj.gov/crt/voting >>>> >>> >>>> >>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >>>> >>> >>>> >>> It seems that the NFB has a lot of lawyers. Is it possible for us >>>> >>> to >>>> >>> get >>>> >>> someone trained in law to help us with this one? >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Here is another good resource, the Department of Justice: >>>> >>> http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/drs/ >>>> >>> >>>> >>> One question I have is, why aren't ALL voting machines accessible? >>>> >>> It >>>> >>> seems like this is more of a software issue. Would it not be >>>> >>> possible >>>> >>> to >>>> >>> write accessible software to be used on all machines? >>>> >>> >>>> >>> One other thing is that we should encourage people to file a >>>> >>> complaint >>>> >>> if >>>> >>> they have these aforementioned problems this year and in the >>>> >>> future. >>>> We >>>> >>> (the NFB) should provide information on that, as well. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> While I think this is a concern for the whole NFB on a national >>>> >>> level, >>>> I >>>> >>> think as students, we are in a good spot to target new voters and >>>> >>> college >>>> >>> students who have not voted before. Maybe we could draft a >>>> >>> brochure >>>> >>> about >>>> >>> rights and responsibilities and general information (maybe even for >>>> >>> people >>>> >>> who aren't blind but are disabled?) and make sure it gets >>>> >>> distributed >>>> at >>>> >>> voter registration drives going on campus. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Cindy also makes a good point about getting to the voting place. >>>> >>> Also, >>>> >>> this will become even more difficult in many states that require >>>> >>> valid >>>> >>> state IDs (like TN, AL, AR, etc.). How should we deal with this? >>>> >>> >>>> >>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>> >>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Cynthia Bennett >>>> >>> wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> Stephanie: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> That is a great idea. I had a similar experience as Josh as I >>>> >>>> voted >>>> >>>> in >>>> >>>> my first election. They were the 2008 primaries, and I was very >>>> >>>> excited. When the machine did not work, I asked a poll worker to >>>> >>>> assist me. They filled in the ballot as I wished, but the worker >>>> >>>> did >>>> >>>> make some comments about their preference on a politician. This >>>> >>>> occured when I said that I did not want to vote for a particular >>>> >>>> office, because I was unfamiliar with any of the candidates. I >>>> >>>> said >>>> >>>> something like, "I don't want to fill in anything for this," and >>>> >>>> the >>>> >>>> worker responded with "Oh, I heard that ___ is pretty good. Do you >>>> >>>> want me to fill in his/her name?" I chose to still not vote for >>>> >>>> that >>>> >>>> particular office. This practice is illegal, and I chose not to >>>> >>>> say >>>> >>>> anything about it. But I do think that an informational call about >>>> >>>> rights and accessible voting machines would be awesome. >>>> >>>> Unfortunately, >>>> >>>> each state is a little different, but information about federal >>>> >>>> mandates on the presence of accessible voting machines/rights and >>>> >>>> some >>>> >>>> typical patterns in accessible voting in states would be great. >>>> >>>> For >>>> >>>> example, Washington conducts mail ballots. There are a few >>>> >>>> precincts >>>> >>>> around town, but if you work in a neighborhood in which it takes a >>>> >>>> while to get to a precinct, you are at a disadvantage as a blind >>>> >>>> person. So, you can either take off work and use public >>>> >>>> transportation >>>> >>>> to navigate to one of the few and very busy precincts and wait in >>>> >>>> a >>>> >>>> 3-hour line, or you can find a reader and disclose your voting >>>> >>>> preferences. The other animal in this issue is that if you choose >>>> >>>> to >>>> >>>> get a reader to fill out your signature does not match the >>>> >>>> signature >>>> >>>> on your state ID which is kept on file, then your ballot can be >>>> >>>> deemed >>>> >>>> as false and not counted. As a blind person, I do the best I can >>>> >>>> with >>>> >>>> my signature, but I do think that even the most ambitious blind >>>> >>>> people >>>> >>>> are at a disadvantage when having to match a signature, and our >>>> >>>> ballots could not be counted, and we may not hear about it, or we >>>> >>>> would learn of it after elections are closed. If we are afraid >>>> >>>> that >>>> >>>> our signature may not match that of our state ID, then we can have >>>> >>>> 2 >>>> >>>> witnesses sign. But that is 2 more people that have to see my >>>> >>>> ballot. >>>> >>>> I do not think that this practice is common within the states, and >>>> >>>> I >>>> >>>> would definitely not like my experience to dominate the nature of >>>> >>>> the >>>> >>>> call, but I wanted to relay it to show that I think this is a very >>>> >>>> good idea. I would personally like some professional/legal >>>> >>>> advice/legal suggestions on how this can be changed. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> So, if you have any suggestions on people to conduct this call, or >>>> >>>> resources for where this information can be found, please share >>>> >>>> it. >>>> >>>> If >>>> >>>> not, the membership committee will certainly take the initiative >>>> >>>> to >>>> >>>> conduct an informative call if we do in fact decide to pursue this >>>> >>>> topic. But I wanted to make sure that since you made the >>>> >>>> suggestion, >>>> >>>> you are welcome to provide suggestions on people to conduct the >>>> >>>> call. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I know that someone comes to each NC state convention with an >>>> >>>> accessible voting machine to show in the exhibit hall. During this >>>> >>>> time, people can vote in a fake election and orient themselves to >>>> >>>> the >>>> >>>> machine. I am not sure if NC is still doing this since it has been >>>> >>>> a >>>> >>>> few years since the accessible machines were introduced, but I >>>> >>>> think >>>> >>>> there is still a need for outreach about accessible voting. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Keep the good membership call suggestions coming! >>>> >>>> Cindy >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 8/27/12, Joshua Lester >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> > Hi, Stephanie! >>>> >>>> > That's a great idea! >>>> >>>> > I went to my voting site, earlier this year, and the machine >>>> >>>> > didn't >>>> >>>> work. >>>> >>>> > My Disability Rights person that works for the governor, here >>>> >>>> > said >>>> >>>> he'd come >>>> >>>> > down, to show them how to work it, but he never showed up! >>>> >>>> > Thanks, Joshua >>>> >>>> > ________________________________________ >>>> >>>> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on >>>> behalf >>>> >>>> of >>>> >>>> > Stephanie DeLuca [sjhhirst at gmail.com] >>>> >>>> > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 2:53 PM >>>> >>>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS Membership Call Survey >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > I think a discussion on voting as people with disabilities would >>>> >>>> > be >>>> >>>> good. >>>> >>>> > Since a lot of people are on college campuses, it'd be a good >>>> >>>> opportunity to >>>> >>>> > get involved with informing people with disabilities (mainly VI) >>>> >>>> > about >>>> >>>> > rights and responsibilities for voting. I've been to/worked at >>>> >>>> > several >>>> >>>> > voter registration drives, and I have NEVER seen information on >>>> >>>> > voting >>>> >>>> if >>>> >>>> > you have a disability. >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > On Aug 27, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Cody Bair >>>> >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >> Hi All, >>>> >>>> >> As you are probably already aware, NABS conducts monthly >>>> >>>> >> membership >>>> >>>> calls. >>>> >>>> >> In order to get this school year started we are currently >>>> >>>> >> seeking >>>> >>>> >> your >>>> >>>> >> input on what topics you would like to see us cover this year. >>>> >>>> >> Please >>>> >>>> >> either reply directly to this thread with your suggestions or >>>> >>>> >> mail >>>> >>>> them >>>> >>>> >> directly to >>>> >>>> >> Nabs.membership at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >> Sincerely, >>>> >>>> >> The NABS membership Committee >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> >> nabs-l mailing list >>>> >>>> >> nabs-l 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gmail.com Wed Aug 29 02:27:08 2012 From: sjhhirst at gmail.com (Stephanie DeLuca) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 21:27:08 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Membership Call Survey In-Reply-To: <5C0973A9F1EF42BFAA736EA439EB1E5E@OwnerPC> References: <1346095971.37964.YahooMailClassic@web110705.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5C0973A9F1EF42BFAA736EA439EB1E5E@OwnerPC> Message-ID: I like the idea of making it easier to get IDs electronically, but maybe they're concerned about fraud? I was thinking about the transportation to the DMV as an issue because not everyone has a friend, a reader, or a family member to take them to the DMV. I guess I'm picturing an old lady whose family is not around who wants to vote. I guess in this case, she could vote absentee, but then, you have to wonder if the vote actually makes it there to get counted. Also, I think a lot of people don't realize that they can vote absentee any time. On Aug 28, 2012, at 9:17 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi, > Couldn't you plan ahead of time and take a friend or family member or even a reader to a DMV? I found it helpful to have someone with me because its kind of visual. You have to fill out a form, wait in a row of crowded chairs, and then go to two different counters, the last one is where they take your photo and give you the ID. If you have to go alone, a cab is the best option because you do not know how long it will take. > > I think getting to the DMV is a chore, but it’s a pain for everyone. I don't think having to show Photo id is fair either, but that is a separate issue. > I also think on the subject of ID cards that its not fair that drivers can renew online where as you got to go in person to renew your photo id. > They should let nondrivers renew online too! > > Ashley > -----Original Message----- From: Stephanie H. DeLuca > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 12:15 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS Membership Call Survey > > Hm my main concern with the IDs is that people have to get to the DMV > somehow. In places like Nashville, that's not exactly straightforward. I > guess they could take a cab? It just sucks because, I think before, people > could just use a student ID (speaking about our own age group). Now, the > states have made it more difficult than it already was. > > Rhode Island has an interesting approach to this (and someone correct me if > I'm wrong). If you don't have a state ID on you at the polling place, you > can sign an affidavit of identity, which basically just certifies that you > are who you say you are. I like this idea (well, except for the whole > signature thing, which I had never thought about). > > http://www.ncsl.org/legislatures-elections/elections/voter-id.aspx > > > In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. > ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 > > > On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Cynthia Bennett wrote: > >> Stephanie: >> >> This is great informaition. Thanks for going so much in depth. >> >> The ID issue is the easiest. I don't know of a state that doesn't >> offer a nondriving photo ID. This can be obtained wherever you would >> go to get your driver's license. It looks just like and contains all >> of the information that a driver's license contains. It is a >> legitimate form of ID. I had no problems at the precincts in NC when I >> showed my photo ID. >> >> Where ID's relate to my concern is that when you get your ID, you have >> to sign the bottom. The DMV that I went to had an electronic pad that >> you sign with a stylus. I typically like to place a finger down on a >> paper to orient myself before I write my signature. But touching the >> electronic pad made a finger print. After a few unsuccessful tries, >> the agent gave me an index card, and they elected to process my >> signature the old way. This was helpful, but even though I have been >> signing my name since I was 7, I really don't have any way of knowing >> if I have signed my name exactly the way it looks on my state ID; this >> signature is kept on file with the state so they don't actually have >> to look at your ID to see it. I know that the intentions of this are >> good and in place to prevent voter fraud, but as a blind person, I >> feel like it pretty much gives me no choice but to find 2 witnesses to >> sign my ballot and varify my signature, and I think that is unfair >> since a sighted person can fill out their ballot independently and >> forego the long precinct lines since they are located far and few >> between due to the mailed-out ballots being the primary method used >> for voting. >> >> I'm sure the membership committee will look at all of this information >> and decide if this call is a good idea, which I think we will, and we >> will work to find appropriate people to conduct the call. Thanks so >> much for the information. It was really great to read. >> >> And, I go by Cindy so that's fine. >> >> Cindy >> >> On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: >> > This website is very informative. The following link takes you to a > page >> > where they have links to several laws relevant to people with >> disabilities. >> > >> > http://www.section508.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=Laws >> > >> > In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >> > ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca >> > wrote: >> > >> >> Heh, I mean Cynthia, sorry! >> >> >> >> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >> >> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> I'm excited to see that other people support the idea of getting >> >>> involved >> >>> but sad to admit that it's a problem. >> >>> >> >>> My story is this: In 2008, I went for early voting at one of the >> >>> designated places in Nashville. When it was my turn, they designated >>> a >> >>> polling machine to me. Before I began the process, I asked about >> >>> assisted >> >>> voting. Maybe I should have asked about accessible polling machines? >> >>> Anyway, he just said he'd have to help me and that was the only >>> option >> >>> I >> >>> had. I turned him down and went through the process myself (I do have >> >>> some >> >>> vision). >> >>> >> >>> It seems that the voting issues fall into a few categories: >> >>> 1) lack of knowledge of rights/responsibilities on behalf of the voter >> >>> 2) lack of training and knowledge of polling staff >> >>> 3) lack of a functioning accessible voting machine on site >> >>> 4) difficult-to-follow tutorials/instructions for the accessible >> machine >> >>> >> >>> For me, numbers 1 and 2 seem to be the biggest problems. How do we >>> get >> >>> the word out and how do we insure that the people at the polling >>> places >> >>> are >> >>> trained and that there is a funcitoning machine available? >> >>> >> >>> I like the idea about having demos. Barring that, would it be >>> possible >> >>> to record a tutorial and post it online? Maybe by someone who has >>> used >> >>> it >> >>> recently? I've heard that the tutorial provided at the polling place >> is >> >>> often not straightforward or easy to follow and that a blind user >>> could >> >>> do >> >>> a better job haha >> >>> >> >>> I think we should at the very least inform people of their rights. I >> >>> think finding the federal law wouldn't be too hard, but some rules >>> vary >> >>> state by state. I'm having trouble tracking down the information for >> >>> TN, >> >>> for example. Anyway, here is the federal law (I think). >> >>> >> >>> *Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act* >> >>> >> >>> The Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act of 1984 >> >>> generally requires polling places across the United States to be >> >>> physically >> >>> accessible to people with disabilities for federal elections. Where no >> >>> accessible location is available to serve as a polling place, a >> >>> political >> >>> subdivision must provide an alternate means of casting a ballot on the >> >>> day >> >>> of the election. This law also requires states to make available >> >>> registration and voting aids for disabled and elderly voters, >>> including >> >>> information by TTYs (also known as TDDs) or similar devices. For more >> >>> information, contact: >> >>> >> >>> U.S. Department of Justice >> >>> Civil Rights Division >> >>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >> >>> Voting Section - 1800 G >> >>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >> >>> >> >>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> *National Voter Registration Act* >> >>> >> >>> The National Voter Registration Act of 1993, also known as the "Motor >> >>> Voter Act," makes it easier for all Americans to exercise their >> >>> fundamental >> >>> right to vote. One of the basic purposes of the Act is to increase the >> >>> historically low registration rates of minorities and persons with >> >>> disabilities that have resulted from discrimination. The Motor Voter >> Act >> >>> requires all offices of State-funded programs that are primarily >> engaged >> >>> in >> >>> providing services to persons with disabilities to provide all program >> >>> applicants with voter registration forms, to assist them in completing >> >>> the >> >>> forms, and to transmit completed forms to the appropriate State >> >>> official. >> >>> For more information, contact: >> >>> >> >>> U.S. Department of Justice >> >>> Civil Rights Division >> >>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >> >>> Voting Section - 1800 G >> >>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >> >>> >> >>> www.usdoj.gov/crt/voting >> >>> >> >>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >> >>> >> >>> It seems that the NFB has a lot of lawyers. Is it possible for us to >> >>> get >> >>> someone trained in law to help us with this one? >> >>> >> >>> Here is another good resource, the Department of Justice: >> >>> http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/drs/ >> >>> >> >>> One question I have is, why aren't ALL voting machines accessible? It >> >>> seems like this is more of a software issue. Would it not be possible >> >>> to >> >>> write accessible software to be used on all machines? >> >>> >> >>> One other thing is that we should encourage people to file a complaint >> >>> if >> >>> they have these aforementioned problems this year and in the future. >> We >> >>> (the NFB) should provide information on that, as well. >> >>> >> >>> While I think this is a concern for the whole NFB on a national level, >> I >> >>> think as students, we are in a good spot to target new voters and >> >>> college >> >>> students who have not voted before. Maybe we could draft a brochure >> >>> about >> >>> rights and responsibilities and general information (maybe even for >> >>> people >> >>> who aren't blind but are disabled?) and make sure it gets distributed >> at >> >>> voter registration drives going on campus. >> >>> >> >>> Cindy also makes a good point about getting to the voting place. >>> Also, >> >>> this will become even more difficult in many states that require valid >> >>> state IDs (like TN, AL, AR, etc.). How should we deal with this? >> >>> >> >>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >> >>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Cynthia Bennett >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> Stephanie: >> >>>> >> >>>> That is a great idea. I had a similar experience as Josh as I voted >>>> in >> >>>> my first election. They were the 2008 primaries, and I was very >> >>>> excited. When the machine did not work, I asked a poll worker to >> >>>> assist me. They filled in the ballot as I wished, but the worker did >> >>>> make some comments about their preference on a politician. This >> >>>> occured when I said that I did not want to vote for a particular >> >>>> office, because I was unfamiliar with any of the candidates. I said >> >>>> something like, "I don't want to fill in anything for this," and the >> >>>> worker responded with "Oh, I heard that ___ is pretty good. Do you >> >>>> want me to fill in his/her name?" I chose to still not vote for that >> >>>> particular office. This practice is illegal, and I chose not to say >> >>>> anything about it. But I do think that an informational call about >> >>>> rights and accessible voting machines would be awesome. >>>> Unfortunately, >> >>>> each state is a little different, but information about federal >> >>>> mandates on the presence of accessible voting machines/rights and >>>> some >> >>>> typical patterns in accessible voting in states would be great. For >> >>>> example, Washington conducts mail ballots. There are a few precincts >> >>>> around town, but if you work in a neighborhood in which it takes a >> >>>> while to get to a precinct, you are at a disadvantage as a blind >> >>>> person. So, you can either take off work and use public >>>> transportation >> >>>> to navigate to one of the few and very busy precincts and wait in a >> >>>> 3-hour line, or you can find a reader and disclose your voting >> >>>> preferences. The other animal in this issue is that if you choose to >> >>>> get a reader to fill out your signature does not match the signature >> >>>> on your state ID which is kept on file, then your ballot can be >>>> deemed >> >>>> as false and not counted. As a blind person, I do the best I can with >> >>>> my signature, but I do think that even the most ambitious blind >>>> people >> >>>> are at a disadvantage when having to match a signature, and our >> >>>> ballots could not be counted, and we may not hear about it, or we >> >>>> would learn of it after elections are closed. If we are afraid that >> >>>> our signature may not match that of our state ID, then we can have 2 >> >>>> witnesses sign. But that is 2 more people that have to see my ballot. >> >>>> I do not think that this practice is common within the states, and I >> >>>> would definitely not like my experience to dominate the nature of the >> >>>> call, but I wanted to relay it to show that I think this is a very >> >>>> good idea. I would personally like some professional/legal >> >>>> advice/legal suggestions on how this can be changed. >> >>>> >> >>>> So, if you have any suggestions on people to conduct this call, or >> >>>> resources for where this information can be found, please share it. >>>> If >> >>>> not, the membership committee will certainly take the initiative to >> >>>> conduct an informative call if we do in fact decide to pursue this >> >>>> topic. But I wanted to make sure that since you made the suggestion, >> >>>> you are welcome to provide suggestions on people to conduct the call. >> >>>> >> >>>> I know that someone comes to each NC state convention with an >> >>>> accessible voting machine to show in the exhibit hall. During this >> >>>> time, people can vote in a fake election and orient themselves to the >> >>>> machine. I am not sure if NC is still doing this since it has been a >> >>>> few years since the accessible machines were introduced, but I think >> >>>> there is still a need for outreach about accessible voting. >> >>>> >> >>>> Keep the good membership call suggestions coming! >> >>>> Cindy >> >>>> >> >>>> On 8/27/12, Joshua Lester >> wrote: >> >>>> > Hi, Stephanie! >> >>>> > That's a great idea! >> >>>> > I went to my voting site, earlier this year, and the machine didn't >> >>>> work. >> >>>> > My Disability Rights person that works for the governor, here said >> >>>> he'd come >> >>>> > down, to show them how to work it, but he never showed up! >> >>>> > Thanks, Joshua >> >>>> > ________________________________________ >> >>>> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on >> behalf >> >>>> of >> >>>> > Stephanie DeLuca [sjhhirst at gmail.com] >> >>>> > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 2:53 PM >> >>>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >>>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS Membership Call Survey >> >>>> > >> >>>> > I think a discussion on voting as people with disabilities would be >> >>>> good. >> >>>> > Since a lot of people are on college campuses, it'd be a good >> >>>> opportunity to >> >>>> > get involved with informing people with disabilities (mainly VI) >> >>>> > about >> >>>> > rights and responsibilities for voting. I've been to/worked at >> >>>> > several >> >>>> > voter registration drives, and I have NEVER seen information on >> >>>> > voting >> >>>> if >> >>>> > you have a disability. >> >>>> > >> >>>> > On Aug 27, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Cody Bair wrote: >> >>>> > >> >>>> >> Hi All, >> >>>> >> As you are probably already aware, NABS conducts monthly >>>> >> membership >> >>>> calls. >> >>>> >> In order to get this school year started we are currently seeking >> >>>> >> your >> >>>> >> input on what topics you would like to see us cover this year. >> >>>> >> Please >> >>>> >> either reply directly to this thread with your suggestions or mail >> >>>> them >> >>>> >> directly to >> >>>> >> Nabs.membership at gmail.com >> >>>> >> Sincerely, >> >>>> >> The NABS membership Committee >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> >> nabs-l mailing list >> >>>> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>>> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> >>>> >> for >> >>>> >> nabs-l: >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > _______________________________________________ >> >>>> > nabs-l mailing list >> >>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> >>>> > nabs-l: >> >>>> > >> >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > _______________________________________________ >> >>>> > nabs-l mailing list >> >>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> >>>> > nabs-l: >> >>>> > >> >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >> >>>> > >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> Cynthia Bennett >> >>>> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >> >>>> >> >>>> clb5590 at gmail.com >> >>>> 828.989.5383 >> >>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> nabs-l mailing list >> >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >>>> nabs-l: >> >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >> > >> >> >> -- >> Cynthia Bennett >> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >> >> clb5590 at gmail.com >> 828.989.5383 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Wed Aug 29 02:36:16 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 22:36:16 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] ID's and Voting In-Reply-To: <7FC9E5A9-651D-476E-8531-9C577C1382F3@gmail.com> References: <7FC9E5A9-651D-476E-8531-9C577C1382F3@gmail.com> Message-ID: Stephanie, Why can't your eyes stay open? Do they have fake eyes inside, or perhaps its lack of muscle control in them? It’s a good question and concern for a totally blind person. I can understand why they want your eyes open, after all color of eyes is a way of identifying people, but if you are blind and cannot open your eyes and control their movement for a picture, then I would hope they would make an exception. I do not know if it’s a legal requirement or not to have a state photo with eyes open. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Stephanie DeLuca Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 10:49 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ID's and Voting Oh wow Desiree, I had that problem too! The lady kept trying to take my picture, but I told her I couldn't open my eyes anymore. She said she couldn't give me my ID. I guess the guy running the place saw something was going on and came over and told her it was really Ok. Freakin' ridiculous…. It's nice to see I'm not the only one! On Aug 28, 2012, at 12:15 AM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi all, > I think it is fair for a blind person to need to get a state ID card > or non-driving license. Going to the DMV sucks but it sucks for > sighted people too. Having some kind of legal identification is just > part of living in this country as an adult and enables us to > participate in all the same activities as those with drivers' > licenses, including flying on airplanes and passing the age test to > buy alcohol (I don't think student ID is acceptable for either of > these things, whether you are sighted or blind). I do, however, agree > that requiring a blind person to give a signature that matches one on > file is probably unfair even if it is not intended to be > discriminatory. A blind person could get around this by signing with a > stamp, though I'm not sure how long those last. > Arielle > On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: >> Hm my main concern with the IDs is that people have to get to the DMV >> somehow. In places like Nashville, that's not exactly straightforward. >> I >> guess they could take a cab? It just sucks because, I think before, >> people >> could just use a student ID (speaking about our own age group). Now, the >> states have made it more difficult than it already was. >> >> Rhode Island has an interesting approach to this (and someone correct me >> if >> I'm wrong). If you don't have a state ID on you at the polling place, >> you >> can sign an affidavit of identity, which basically just certifies that >> you >> are who you say you are. I like this idea (well, except for the whole >> signature thing, which I had never thought about). >> >> http://www.ncsl.org/legislatures-elections/elections/voter-id.aspx >> >> >> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Cynthia Bennett >> wrote: >> >>> Stephanie: >>> >>> This is great informaition. Thanks for going so much in depth. >>> >>> The ID issue is the easiest. I don't know of a state that doesn't >>> offer a nondriving photo ID. This can be obtained wherever you would >>> go to get your driver's license. It looks just like and contains all >>> of the information that a driver's license contains. It is a >>> legitimate form of ID. I had no problems at the precincts in NC when I >>> showed my photo ID. >>> >>> Where ID's relate to my concern is that when you get your ID, you have >>> to sign the bottom. The DMV that I went to had an electronic pad that >>> you sign with a stylus. I typically like to place a finger down on a >>> paper to orient myself before I write my signature. But touching the >>> electronic pad made a finger print. After a few unsuccessful tries, >>> the agent gave me an index card, and they elected to process my >>> signature the old way. This was helpful, but even though I have been >>> signing my name since I was 7, I really don't have any way of knowing >>> if I have signed my name exactly the way it looks on my state ID; this >>> signature is kept on file with the state so they don't actually have >>> to look at your ID to see it. I know that the intentions of this are >>> good and in place to prevent voter fraud, but as a blind person, I >>> feel like it pretty much gives me no choice but to find 2 witnesses to >>> sign my ballot and varify my signature, and I think that is unfair >>> since a sighted person can fill out their ballot independently and >>> forego the long precinct lines since they are located far and few >>> between due to the mailed-out ballots being the primary method used >>> for voting. >>> >>> I'm sure the membership committee will look at all of this information >>> and decide if this call is a good idea, which I think we will, and we >>> will work to find appropriate people to conduct the call. Thanks so >>> much for the information. It was really great to read. >>> >>> And, I go by Cindy so that's fine. >>> >>> Cindy >>> >>> On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: >>>> This website is very informative. The following link takes you to a >>>> page >>>> where they have links to several laws relevant to people with >>> disabilities. >>>> >>>> http://www.section508.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=Laws >>>> >>>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Heh, I mean Cynthia, sorry! >>>>> >>>>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I'm excited to see that other people support the idea of getting >>>>>> involved >>>>>> but sad to admit that it's a problem. >>>>>> >>>>>> My story is this: In 2008, I went for early voting at one of the >>>>>> designated places in Nashville. When it was my turn, they designated >>>>>> a >>>>>> polling machine to me. Before I began the process, I asked about >>>>>> assisted >>>>>> voting. Maybe I should have asked about accessible polling machines? >>>>>> Anyway, he just said he'd have to help me and that was the only >>>>>> option >>>>>> I >>>>>> had. I turned him down and went through the process myself (I do >>>>>> have >>>>>> some >>>>>> vision). >>>>>> >>>>>> It seems that the voting issues fall into a few categories: >>>>>> 1) lack of knowledge of rights/responsibilities on behalf of the >>>>>> voter >>>>>> 2) lack of training and knowledge of polling staff >>>>>> 3) lack of a functioning accessible voting machine on site >>>>>> 4) difficult-to-follow tutorials/instructions for the accessible >>> machine >>>>>> >>>>>> For me, numbers 1 and 2 seem to be the biggest problems. How do we >>>>>> get >>>>>> the word out and how do we insure that the people at the polling >>>>>> places >>>>>> are >>>>>> trained and that there is a funcitoning machine available? >>>>>> >>>>>> I like the idea about having demos. Barring that, would it be >>>>>> possible >>>>>> to record a tutorial and post it online? Maybe by someone who has >>>>>> used >>>>>> it >>>>>> recently? I've heard that the tutorial provided at the polling place >>> is >>>>>> often not straightforward or easy to follow and that a blind user >>>>>> could >>>>>> do >>>>>> a better job haha >>>>>> >>>>>> I think we should at the very least inform people of their rights. I >>>>>> think finding the federal law wouldn't be too hard, but some rules >>>>>> vary >>>>>> state by state. I'm having trouble tracking down the information for >>>>>> TN, >>>>>> for example. Anyway, here is the federal law (I think). >>>>>> >>>>>> *Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act* >>>>>> >>>>>> The Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act of 1984 >>>>>> generally requires polling places across the United States to be >>>>>> physically >>>>>> accessible to people with disabilities for federal elections. Where >>>>>> no >>>>>> accessible location is available to serve as a polling place, a >>>>>> political >>>>>> subdivision must provide an alternate means of casting a ballot on >>>>>> the >>>>>> day >>>>>> of the election. This law also requires states to make available >>>>>> registration and voting aids for disabled and elderly voters, >>>>>> including >>>>>> information by TTYs (also known as TDDs) or similar devices. For more >>>>>> information, contact: >>>>>> >>>>>> U.S. Department of Justice >>>>>> Civil Rights Division >>>>>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >>>>>> Voting Section - 1800 G >>>>>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >>>>>> >>>>>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *National Voter Registration Act* >>>>>> >>>>>> The National Voter Registration Act of 1993, also known as the "Motor >>>>>> Voter Act," makes it easier for all Americans to exercise their >>>>>> fundamental >>>>>> right to vote. One of the basic purposes of the Act is to increase >>>>>> the >>>>>> historically low registration rates of minorities and persons with >>>>>> disabilities that have resulted from discrimination. The Motor Voter >>> Act >>>>>> requires all offices of State-funded programs that are primarily >>> engaged >>>>>> in >>>>>> providing services to persons with disabilities to provide all >>>>>> program >>>>>> applicants with voter registration forms, to assist them in >>>>>> completing >>>>>> the >>>>>> forms, and to transmit completed forms to the appropriate State >>>>>> official. >>>>>> For more information, contact: >>>>>> >>>>>> U.S. Department of Justice >>>>>> Civil Rights Division >>>>>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >>>>>> Voting Section - 1800 G >>>>>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >>>>>> >>>>>> www.usdoj.gov/crt/voting >>>>>> >>>>>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >>>>>> >>>>>> It seems that the NFB has a lot of lawyers. Is it possible for us to >>>>>> get >>>>>> someone trained in law to help us with this one? >>>>>> >>>>>> Here is another good resource, the Department of Justice: >>>>>> http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/drs/ >>>>>> >>>>>> One question I have is, why aren't ALL voting machines accessible? >>>>>> It >>>>>> seems like this is more of a software issue. Would it not be >>>>>> possible >>>>>> to >>>>>> write accessible software to be used on all machines? >>>>>> >>>>>> One other thing is that we should encourage people to file a >>>>>> complaint >>>>>> if >>>>>> they have these aforementioned problems this year and in the future. >>> We >>>>>> (the NFB) should provide information on that, as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> While I think this is a concern for the whole NFB on a national >>>>>> level, >>> I >>>>>> think as students, we are in a good spot to target new voters and >>>>>> college >>>>>> students who have not voted before. Maybe we could draft a brochure >>>>>> about >>>>>> rights and responsibilities and general information (maybe even for >>>>>> people >>>>>> who aren't blind but are disabled?) and make sure it gets distributed >>> at >>>>>> voter registration drives going on campus. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cindy also makes a good point about getting to the voting place. >>>>>> Also, >>>>>> this will become even more difficult in many states that require >>>>>> valid >>>>>> state IDs (like TN, AL, AR, etc.). How should we deal with this? >>>>>> >>>>>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>>>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Cynthia Bennett >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Stephanie: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That is a great idea. I had a similar experience as Josh as I voted >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> my first election. They were the 2008 primaries, and I was very >>>>>>> excited. When the machine did not work, I asked a poll worker to >>>>>>> assist me. They filled in the ballot as I wished, but the worker did >>>>>>> make some comments about their preference on a politician. This >>>>>>> occured when I said that I did not want to vote for a particular >>>>>>> office, because I was unfamiliar with any of the candidates. I said >>>>>>> something like, "I don't want to fill in anything for this," and the >>>>>>> worker responded with "Oh, I heard that ___ is pretty good. Do you >>>>>>> want me to fill in his/her name?" I chose to still not vote for that >>>>>>> particular office. This practice is illegal, and I chose not to say >>>>>>> anything about it. But I do think that an informational call about >>>>>>> rights and accessible voting machines would be awesome. >>>>>>> Unfortunately, >>>>>>> each state is a little different, but information about federal >>>>>>> mandates on the presence of accessible voting machines/rights and >>>>>>> some >>>>>>> typical patterns in accessible voting in states would be great. For >>>>>>> example, Washington conducts mail ballots. There are a few precincts >>>>>>> around town, but if you work in a neighborhood in which it takes a >>>>>>> while to get to a precinct, you are at a disadvantage as a blind >>>>>>> person. So, you can either take off work and use public >>>>>>> transportation >>>>>>> to navigate to one of the few and very busy precincts and wait in a >>>>>>> 3-hour line, or you can find a reader and disclose your voting >>>>>>> preferences. The other animal in this issue is that if you choose to >>>>>>> get a reader to fill out your signature does not match the signature >>>>>>> on your state ID which is kept on file, then your ballot can be >>>>>>> deemed >>>>>>> as false and not counted. As a blind person, I do the best I can >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> my signature, but I do think that even the most ambitious blind >>>>>>> people >>>>>>> are at a disadvantage when having to match a signature, and our >>>>>>> ballots could not be counted, and we may not hear about it, or we >>>>>>> would learn of it after elections are closed. If we are afraid that >>>>>>> our signature may not match that of our state ID, then we can have 2 >>>>>>> witnesses sign. But that is 2 more people that have to see my >>>>>>> ballot. >>>>>>> I do not think that this practice is common within the states, and I >>>>>>> would definitely not like my experience to dominate the nature of >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> call, but I wanted to relay it to show that I think this is a very >>>>>>> good idea. I would personally like some professional/legal >>>>>>> advice/legal suggestions on how this can be changed. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So, if you have any suggestions on people to conduct this call, or >>>>>>> resources for where this information can be found, please share it. >>>>>>> If >>>>>>> not, the membership committee will certainly take the initiative to >>>>>>> conduct an informative call if we do in fact decide to pursue this >>>>>>> topic. But I wanted to make sure that since you made the suggestion, >>>>>>> you are welcome to provide suggestions on people to conduct the >>>>>>> call. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I know that someone comes to each NC state convention with an >>>>>>> accessible voting machine to show in the exhibit hall. During this >>>>>>> time, people can vote in a fake election and orient themselves to >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> machine. I am not sure if NC is still doing this since it has been a >>>>>>> few years since the accessible machines were introduced, but I think >>>>>>> there is still a need for outreach about accessible voting. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Keep the good membership call suggestions coming! >>>>>>> Cindy >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 8/27/12, Joshua Lester >>> wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi, Stephanie! >>>>>>>> That's a great idea! >>>>>>>> I went to my voting site, earlier this year, and the machine >>>>>>>> didn't >>>>>>> work. >>>>>>>> My Disability Rights person that works for the governor, here said >>>>>>> he'd come >>>>>>>> down, to show them how to work it, but he never showed up! >>>>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>>>> ________________________________________ >>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on >>> behalf >>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> Stephanie DeLuca [sjhhirst at gmail.com] >>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 2:53 PM >>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS Membership Call Survey >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think a discussion on voting as people with disabilities would >>>>>>>> be >>>>>>> good. >>>>>>>> Since a lot of people are on college campuses, it'd be a good >>>>>>> opportunity to >>>>>>>> get involved with informing people with disabilities (mainly VI) >>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>> rights and responsibilities for voting. I've been to/worked at >>>>>>>> several >>>>>>>> voter registration drives, and I have NEVER seen information on >>>>>>>> voting >>>>>>> if >>>>>>>> you have a disability. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Aug 27, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Cody Bair >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi All, >>>>>>>>> As you are probably already aware, NABS conducts monthly >>>>>>>>> membership >>>>>>> calls. >>>>>>>>> In order to get this school year started we are currently seeking >>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>> input on what topics you would like to see us cover this year. >>>>>>>>> Please >>>>>>>>> either reply directly to this thread with your suggestions or >>>>>>>>> mail >>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>> directly to >>>>>>>>> Nabs.membership at gmail.com >>>>>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>>>>> The NABS membership Committee >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Cynthia Bennett >>>>>>> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >>>>>>> >>>>>>> clb5590 at gmail.com >>>>>>> 828.989.5383 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Cynthia Bennett >>> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >>> >>> clb5590 at gmail.com >>> 828.989.5383 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From juanitatighan at gmail.com Wed Aug 29 02:46:23 2012 From: juanitatighan at gmail.com (Jane) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 22:46:23 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] ID's and Voting In-Reply-To: References: <7FC9E5A9-651D-476E-8531-9C577C1382F3@gmail.com> Message-ID: Whenever I get my ID done, they get irritable when I can't control my eyes, but once I tell them why, they settle down. The only other worrying bit comes when I have to sign my signature, but they always except whatever I give them, because I don't have a stamp. I just do my best to fill in my name on the screen with my signature guide. I can tell they aren't happy with it but what else can they do? Jane On Aug 28, 2012, at 10:36 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Stephanie, > Why can't your eyes stay open? Do they have fake eyes inside, or perhaps its lack of muscle control > in them? It’s a good question and concern for a totally blind person. I can understand why they want your eyes open, after all color of eyes is a way of identifying people, but if you are blind and cannot open your eyes and control their movement for a picture, > then I would hope they would make an exception. I do not know if it’s a legal requirement or not to have a state photo with eyes open. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- From: Stephanie DeLuca > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 10:49 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ID's and Voting > > Oh wow Desiree, I had that problem too! The lady kept trying to take my picture, but I told her I couldn't open my eyes anymore. She said she couldn't give me my ID. I guess the guy running the place saw something was going on and came over and told her it was really Ok. Freakin' ridiculous…. > It's nice to see I'm not the only one! > > On Aug 28, 2012, at 12:15 AM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > >> Hi all, >> I think it is fair for a blind person to need to get a state ID card >> or non-driving license. Going to the DMV sucks but it sucks for >> sighted people too. Having some kind of legal identification is just >> part of living in this country as an adult and enables us to >> participate in all the same activities as those with drivers' >> licenses, including flying on airplanes and passing the age test to >> buy alcohol (I don't think student ID is acceptable for either of >> these things, whether you are sighted or blind). I do, however, agree >> that requiring a blind person to give a signature that matches one on >> file is probably unfair even if it is not intended to be >> discriminatory. A blind person could get around this by signing with a >> stamp, though I'm not sure how long those last. >> Arielle >> On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: >>> Hm my main concern with the IDs is that people have to get to the DMV >>> somehow. In places like Nashville, that's not exactly straightforward. I >>> guess they could take a cab? It just sucks because, I think before, people >>> could just use a student ID (speaking about our own age group). Now, the >>> states have made it more difficult than it already was. >>> >>> Rhode Island has an interesting approach to this (and someone correct me if >>> I'm wrong). If you don't have a state ID on you at the polling place, you >>> can sign an affidavit of identity, which basically just certifies that you >>> are who you say you are. I like this idea (well, except for the whole >>> signature thing, which I had never thought about). >>> >>> http://www.ncsl.org/legislatures-elections/elections/voter-id.aspx >>> >>> >>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Cynthia Bennett >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Stephanie: >>>> >>>> This is great informaition. Thanks for going so much in depth. >>>> >>>> The ID issue is the easiest. I don't know of a state that doesn't >>>> offer a nondriving photo ID. This can be obtained wherever you would >>>> go to get your driver's license. It looks just like and contains all >>>> of the information that a driver's license contains. It is a >>>> legitimate form of ID. I had no problems at the precincts in NC when I >>>> showed my photo ID. >>>> >>>> Where ID's relate to my concern is that when you get your ID, you have >>>> to sign the bottom. The DMV that I went to had an electronic pad that >>>> you sign with a stylus. I typically like to place a finger down on a >>>> paper to orient myself before I write my signature. But touching the >>>> electronic pad made a finger print. After a few unsuccessful tries, >>>> the agent gave me an index card, and they elected to process my >>>> signature the old way. This was helpful, but even though I have been >>>> signing my name since I was 7, I really don't have any way of knowing >>>> if I have signed my name exactly the way it looks on my state ID; this >>>> signature is kept on file with the state so they don't actually have >>>> to look at your ID to see it. I know that the intentions of this are >>>> good and in place to prevent voter fraud, but as a blind person, I >>>> feel like it pretty much gives me no choice but to find 2 witnesses to >>>> sign my ballot and varify my signature, and I think that is unfair >>>> since a sighted person can fill out their ballot independently and >>>> forego the long precinct lines since they are located far and few >>>> between due to the mailed-out ballots being the primary method used >>>> for voting. >>>> >>>> I'm sure the membership committee will look at all of this information >>>> and decide if this call is a good idea, which I think we will, and we >>>> will work to find appropriate people to conduct the call. Thanks so >>>> much for the information. It was really great to read. >>>> >>>> And, I go by Cindy so that's fine. >>>> >>>> Cindy >>>> >>>> On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: >>>>> This website is very informative. The following link takes you to a >>>>> page >>>>> where they have links to several laws relevant to people with >>>> disabilities. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.section508.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=Laws >>>>> >>>>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Heh, I mean Cynthia, sorry! >>>>>> >>>>>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>>>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm excited to see that other people support the idea of getting >>>>>>> involved >>>>>>> but sad to admit that it's a problem. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My story is this: In 2008, I went for early voting at one of the >>>>>>> designated places in Nashville. When it was my turn, they designated >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> polling machine to me. Before I began the process, I asked about >>>>>>> assisted >>>>>>> voting. Maybe I should have asked about accessible polling machines? >>>>>>> Anyway, he just said he'd have to help me and that was the only >>>>>>> option >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> had. I turned him down and went through the process myself (I do >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> some >>>>>>> vision). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It seems that the voting issues fall into a few categories: >>>>>>> 1) lack of knowledge of rights/responsibilities on behalf of the >>>>>>> voter >>>>>>> 2) lack of training and knowledge of polling staff >>>>>>> 3) lack of a functioning accessible voting machine on site >>>>>>> 4) difficult-to-follow tutorials/instructions for the accessible >>>> machine >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For me, numbers 1 and 2 seem to be the biggest problems. How do we >>>>>>> get >>>>>>> the word out and how do we insure that the people at the polling >>>>>>> places >>>>>>> are >>>>>>> trained and that there is a funcitoning machine available? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I like the idea about having demos. Barring that, would it be >>>>>>> possible >>>>>>> to record a tutorial and post it online? Maybe by someone who has >>>>>>> used >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> recently? I've heard that the tutorial provided at the polling place >>>> is >>>>>>> often not straightforward or easy to follow and that a blind user >>>>>>> could >>>>>>> do >>>>>>> a better job haha >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think we should at the very least inform people of their rights. I >>>>>>> think finding the federal law wouldn't be too hard, but some rules >>>>>>> vary >>>>>>> state by state. I'm having trouble tracking down the information for >>>>>>> TN, >>>>>>> for example. Anyway, here is the federal law (I think). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act of 1984 >>>>>>> generally requires polling places across the United States to be >>>>>>> physically >>>>>>> accessible to people with disabilities for federal elections. Where >>>>>>> no >>>>>>> accessible location is available to serve as a polling place, a >>>>>>> political >>>>>>> subdivision must provide an alternate means of casting a ballot on >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> day >>>>>>> of the election. This law also requires states to make available >>>>>>> registration and voting aids for disabled and elderly voters, >>>>>>> including >>>>>>> information by TTYs (also known as TDDs) or similar devices. For more >>>>>>> information, contact: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> U.S. Department of Justice >>>>>>> Civil Rights Division >>>>>>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >>>>>>> Voting Section - 1800 G >>>>>>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *National Voter Registration Act* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The National Voter Registration Act of 1993, also known as the "Motor >>>>>>> Voter Act," makes it easier for all Americans to exercise their >>>>>>> fundamental >>>>>>> right to vote. One of the basic purposes of the Act is to increase >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> historically low registration rates of minorities and persons with >>>>>>> disabilities that have resulted from discrimination. The Motor Voter >>>> Act >>>>>>> requires all offices of State-funded programs that are primarily >>>> engaged >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> providing services to persons with disabilities to provide all >>>>>>> program >>>>>>> applicants with voter registration forms, to assist them in >>>>>>> completing >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> forms, and to transmit completed forms to the appropriate State >>>>>>> official. >>>>>>> For more information, contact: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> U.S. Department of Justice >>>>>>> Civil Rights Division >>>>>>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >>>>>>> Voting Section - 1800 G >>>>>>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> www.usdoj.gov/crt/voting >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It seems that the NFB has a lot of lawyers. Is it possible for us to >>>>>>> get >>>>>>> someone trained in law to help us with this one? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Here is another good resource, the Department of Justice: >>>>>>> http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/drs/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> One question I have is, why aren't ALL voting machines accessible? >>>>>>> It >>>>>>> seems like this is more of a software issue. Would it not be >>>>>>> possible >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> write accessible software to be used on all machines? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> One other thing is that we should encourage people to file a >>>>>>> complaint >>>>>>> if >>>>>>> they have these aforementioned problems this year and in the future. >>>> We >>>>>>> (the NFB) should provide information on that, as well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> While I think this is a concern for the whole NFB on a national >>>>>>> level, >>>> I >>>>>>> think as students, we are in a good spot to target new voters and >>>>>>> college >>>>>>> students who have not voted before. Maybe we could draft a brochure >>>>>>> about >>>>>>> rights and responsibilities and general information (maybe even for >>>>>>> people >>>>>>> who aren't blind but are disabled?) and make sure it gets distributed >>>> at >>>>>>> voter registration drives going on campus. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cindy also makes a good point about getting to the voting place. >>>>>>> Also, >>>>>>> this will become even more difficult in many states that require >>>>>>> valid >>>>>>> state IDs (like TN, AL, AR, etc.). How should we deal with this? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>>>>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Cynthia Bennett >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Stephanie: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That is a great idea. I had a similar experience as Josh as I voted >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> my first election. They were the 2008 primaries, and I was very >>>>>>>> excited. When the machine did not work, I asked a poll worker to >>>>>>>> assist me. They filled in the ballot as I wished, but the worker did >>>>>>>> make some comments about their preference on a politician. This >>>>>>>> occured when I said that I did not want to vote for a particular >>>>>>>> office, because I was unfamiliar with any of the candidates. I said >>>>>>>> something like, "I don't want to fill in anything for this," and the >>>>>>>> worker responded with "Oh, I heard that ___ is pretty good. Do you >>>>>>>> want me to fill in his/her name?" I chose to still not vote for that >>>>>>>> particular office. This practice is illegal, and I chose not to say >>>>>>>> anything about it. But I do think that an informational call about >>>>>>>> rights and accessible voting machines would be awesome. >>>>>>>> Unfortunately, >>>>>>>> each state is a little different, but information about federal >>>>>>>> mandates on the presence of accessible voting machines/rights and >>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>> typical patterns in accessible voting in states would be great. For >>>>>>>> example, Washington conducts mail ballots. There are a few precincts >>>>>>>> around town, but if you work in a neighborhood in which it takes a >>>>>>>> while to get to a precinct, you are at a disadvantage as a blind >>>>>>>> person. So, you can either take off work and use public >>>>>>>> transportation >>>>>>>> to navigate to one of the few and very busy precincts and wait in a >>>>>>>> 3-hour line, or you can find a reader and disclose your voting >>>>>>>> preferences. The other animal in this issue is that if you choose to >>>>>>>> get a reader to fill out your signature does not match the signature >>>>>>>> on your state ID which is kept on file, then your ballot can be >>>>>>>> deemed >>>>>>>> as false and not counted. As a blind person, I do the best I can >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>> my signature, but I do think that even the most ambitious blind >>>>>>>> people >>>>>>>> are at a disadvantage when having to match a signature, and our >>>>>>>> ballots could not be counted, and we may not hear about it, or we >>>>>>>> would learn of it after elections are closed. If we are afraid that >>>>>>>> our signature may not match that of our state ID, then we can have 2 >>>>>>>> witnesses sign. But that is 2 more people that have to see my >>>>>>>> ballot. >>>>>>>> I do not think that this practice is common within the states, and I >>>>>>>> would definitely not like my experience to dominate the nature of >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> call, but I wanted to relay it to show that I think this is a very >>>>>>>> good idea. I would personally like some professional/legal >>>>>>>> advice/legal suggestions on how this can be changed. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So, if you have any suggestions on people to conduct this call, or >>>>>>>> resources for where this information can be found, please share it. >>>>>>>> If >>>>>>>> not, the membership committee will certainly take the initiative to >>>>>>>> conduct an informative call if we do in fact decide to pursue this >>>>>>>> topic. But I wanted to make sure that since you made the suggestion, >>>>>>>> you are welcome to provide suggestions on people to conduct the >>>>>>>> call. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I know that someone comes to each NC state convention with an >>>>>>>> accessible voting machine to show in the exhibit hall. During this >>>>>>>> time, people can vote in a fake election and orient themselves to >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> machine. I am not sure if NC is still doing this since it has been a >>>>>>>> few years since the accessible machines were introduced, but I think >>>>>>>> there is still a need for outreach about accessible voting. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Keep the good membership call suggestions coming! >>>>>>>> Cindy >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 8/27/12, Joshua Lester >>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hi, Stephanie! >>>>>>>>> That's a great idea! >>>>>>>>> I went to my voting site, earlier this year, and the machine >>>>>>>>> didn't >>>>>>>> work. >>>>>>>>> My Disability Rights person that works for the governor, here said >>>>>>>> he'd come >>>>>>>>> down, to show them how to work it, but he never showed up! >>>>>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>>>>> ________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on >>>> behalf >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> Stephanie DeLuca [sjhhirst at gmail.com] >>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 2:53 PM >>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS Membership Call Survey >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I think a discussion on voting as people with disabilities would >>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>> good. >>>>>>>>> Since a lot of people are on college campuses, it'd be a good >>>>>>>> opportunity to >>>>>>>>> get involved with informing people with disabilities (mainly VI) >>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>> rights and responsibilities for voting. I've been to/worked at >>>>>>>>> several >>>>>>>>> voter registration drives, and I have NEVER seen information on >>>>>>>>> voting >>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>> you have a disability. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Aug 27, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Cody Bair >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi All, >>>>>>>>>> As you are probably already aware, NABS conducts monthly >>>>>>>>>> membership >>>>>>>> calls. >>>>>>>>>> In order to get this school year started we are currently seeking >>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>> input on what topics you would like to see us cover this year. >>>>>>>>>> Please >>>>>>>>>> either reply directly to this thread with your suggestions or >>>>>>>>>> mail >>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>>> directly to >>>>>>>>>> Nabs.membership at gmail.com >>>>>>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>>>>>> The NABS membership Committee >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> 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>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Cynthia Bennett >>>>>>>> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> clb5590 at gmail.com >>>>>>>> 828.989.5383 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> 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[nabs-l] ID's and Voting In-Reply-To: References: <5BEC910D48D54828ACFF96B7C2CE3D09@BrandonsLaptop2> Message-ID: Desiree, That is a good question for the DMV. Call and ask. My guess is if you renew online, they will use your existing photo they have on file. -----Original Message----- From: Desiree Oudinot Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 5:06 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ID's and Voting Hi, So, if you can renew your ID online, how do they get an updated picture? I've heard of people not having a picture on their ID for religious reasons, but I'm certainly not interested in that because it just seems like from all I've heard and what I think personally, no one would take an ID without a picture on it seriously. It would be extremely easy to forge. No offense to people who choose not to have a picture on their ID for whatever reason, it's just not something I would do myself. So how does that work? My mom said that if I renew online, what will probably happen is they'll send something in the mail which says the ID isn't expired, and I'll have 60 days to go to the DMV to have my picture taken. Is that true? On 8/28/12, Justin Young wrote: > I know you don't necessarily have to go to the DMV to renew your ID. > When it came time for me to renew mine, they just sent a form in the > mail and I checked a box(Driver or Non-Driver). They both had a > length they were good for and a fee it cost to purchase them. Using a > CCTV I filled out the form rather quickly. If one doesn't have enough > vision for that, then I guess the only other way would to have sighted > assistance. I would say though if the picture you wish to change, > then to my knowledge you have to go to the DMV. Hope this helps > > On 8/28/12, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: >> Hello, >> The way I write my signature is Place my finger on the line, place my pen >> next to my finger, lift my finger, ask someone if the pen is in the right >> place and agust to what they say, then if I can I place my finger back on >> the paper and then I write my signature strait from my finger. I have a >> signature that doesn't need me to lift my pen from the paper, so that is >> really good. I also just use my first name as my signature only. (I'm not >> sure if people know this, but your signature doesn't need to be your >> name, >> it can be a star or a picture of some kind). I've been told that my >> signature is super hard to copy and it is still readable. I use a mixture >> of >> >> cursive and the typical letters. I sat down with my living skills >> instructor >> >> one day and we experimented with signatures and found the thing that >> would >> be the fastest, most readable and the best reproducible, so that is what >> I >> now use. Also, I only write capitals, because they are the easiest to >> write >> >> for me. >> Thanks, >> >> Brandon Keith Biggs >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Arielle Silverman >> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 10:15 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] ID's and Voting >> >> Hi all, >> I think it is fair for a blind person to need to get a state ID card >> or non-driving license. Going to the DMV sucks but it sucks for >> sighted people too. Having some kind of legal identification is just >> part of living in this country as an adult and enables us to >> participate in all the same activities as those with drivers' >> licenses, including flying on airplanes and passing the age test to >> buy alcohol (I don't think student ID is acceptable for either of >> these things, whether you are sighted or blind). I do, however, agree >> that requiring a blind person to give a signature that matches one on >> file is probably unfair even if it is not intended to be >> discriminatory. A blind person could get around this by signing with a >> stamp, though I'm not sure how long those last. >> Arielle >> On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: >>> Hm my main concern with the IDs is that people have to get to the DMV >>> somehow. In places like Nashville, that's not exactly straightforward. >>> I >>> guess they could take a cab? It just sucks because, I think before, >>> people >>> could just use a student ID (speaking about our own age group). Now, >>> the >>> states have made it more difficult than it already was. >>> >>> Rhode Island has an interesting approach to this (and someone correct me >>> if >>> I'm wrong). If you don't have a state ID on you at the polling place, >>> you >>> can sign an affidavit of identity, which basically just certifies that >>> you >>> are who you say you are. I like this idea (well, except for the whole >>> signature thing, which I had never thought about). >>> >>> http://www.ncsl.org/legislatures-elections/elections/voter-id.aspx >>> >>> >>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Cynthia Bennett >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Stephanie: >>>> >>>> This is great informaition. Thanks for going so much in depth. >>>> >>>> The ID issue is the easiest. I don't know of a state that doesn't >>>> offer a nondriving photo ID. This can be obtained wherever you would >>>> go to get your driver's license. It looks just like and contains all >>>> of the information that a driver's license contains. It is a >>>> legitimate form of ID. I had no problems at the precincts in NC when I >>>> showed my photo ID. >>>> >>>> Where ID's relate to my concern is that when you get your ID, you have >>>> to sign the bottom. The DMV that I went to had an electronic pad that >>>> you sign with a stylus. I typically like to place a finger down on a >>>> paper to orient myself before I write my signature. But touching the >>>> electronic pad made a finger print. After a few unsuccessful tries, >>>> the agent gave me an index card, and they elected to process my >>>> signature the old way. This was helpful, but even though I have been >>>> signing my name since I was 7, I really don't have any way of knowing >>>> if I have signed my name exactly the way it looks on my state ID; this >>>> signature is kept on file with the state so they don't actually have >>>> to look at your ID to see it. I know that the intentions of this are >>>> good and in place to prevent voter fraud, but as a blind person, I >>>> feel like it pretty much gives me no choice but to find 2 witnesses to >>>> sign my ballot and varify my signature, and I think that is unfair >>>> since a sighted person can fill out their ballot independently and >>>> forego the long precinct lines since they are located far and few >>>> between due to the mailed-out ballots being the primary method used >>>> for voting. >>>> >>>> I'm sure the membership committee will look at all of this information >>>> and decide if this call is a good idea, which I think we will, and we >>>> will work to find appropriate people to conduct the call. Thanks so >>>> much for the information. It was really great to read. >>>> >>>> And, I go by Cindy so that's fine. >>>> >>>> Cindy >>>> >>>> On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: >>>> > This website is very informative. The following link takes you to a >>>> > page >>>> > where they have links to several laws relevant to people with >>>> disabilities. >>>> > >>>> > http://www.section508.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=Laws >>>> > >>>> > In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>> > ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca >>>> > wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> Heh, I mean Cynthia, sorry! >>>> >> >>>> >> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>> >> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >>> I'm excited to see that other people support the idea of getting >>>> >>> involved >>>> >>> but sad to admit that it's a problem. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> My story is this: In 2008, I went for early voting at one of the >>>> >>> designated places in Nashville. When it was my turn, they >>>> >>> designated >>>> >>> a >>>> >>> polling machine to me. Before I began the process, I asked about >>>> >>> assisted >>>> >>> voting. Maybe I should have asked about accessible polling >>>> >>> machines? >>>> >>> Anyway, he just said he'd have to help me and that was the only >>>> >>> option >>>> >>> I >>>> >>> had. I turned him down and went through the process myself (I do >>>> >>> have >>>> >>> some >>>> >>> vision). >>>> >>> >>>> >>> It seems that the voting issues fall into a few categories: >>>> >>> 1) lack of knowledge of rights/responsibilities on behalf of the >>>> >>> voter >>>> >>> 2) lack of training and knowledge of polling staff >>>> >>> 3) lack of a functioning accessible voting machine on site >>>> >>> 4) difficult-to-follow tutorials/instructions for the accessible >>>> machine >>>> >>> >>>> >>> For me, numbers 1 and 2 seem to be the biggest problems. How do we >>>> >>> get >>>> >>> the word out and how do we insure that the people at the polling >>>> >>> places >>>> >>> are >>>> >>> trained and that there is a funcitoning machine available? >>>> >>> >>>> >>> I like the idea about having demos. Barring that, would it be >>>> >>> possible >>>> >>> to record a tutorial and post it online? Maybe by someone who has >>>> >>> used >>>> >>> it >>>> >>> recently? I've heard that the tutorial provided at the polling >>>> >>> place >>>> is >>>> >>> often not straightforward or easy to follow and that a blind user >>>> >>> could >>>> >>> do >>>> >>> a better job haha >>>> >>> >>>> >>> I think we should at the very least inform people of their rights. >>>> >>> I >>>> >>> think finding the federal law wouldn't be too hard, but some rules >>>> >>> vary >>>> >>> state by state. I'm having trouble tracking down the information >>>> >>> for >>>> >>> TN, >>>> >>> for example. Anyway, here is the federal law (I think). >>>> >>> >>>> >>> *Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act* >>>> >>> >>>> >>> The Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act of >>>> >>> 1984 >>>> >>> generally requires polling places across the United States to be >>>> >>> physically >>>> >>> accessible to people with disabilities for federal elections. Where >>>> >>> no >>>> >>> accessible location is available to serve as a polling place, a >>>> >>> political >>>> >>> subdivision must provide an alternate means of casting a ballot on >>>> >>> the >>>> >>> day >>>> >>> of the election. This law also requires states to make available >>>> >>> registration and voting aids for disabled and elderly voters, >>>> >>> including >>>> >>> information by TTYs (also known as TDDs) or similar devices. For >>>> >>> more >>>> >>> information, contact: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> U.S. Department of Justice >>>> >>> Civil Rights Division >>>> >>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >>>> >>> Voting Section - 1800 G >>>> >>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >>>> >>> >>>> >>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> *National Voter Registration Act* >>>> >>> >>>> >>> The National Voter Registration Act of 1993, also known as the >>>> >>> "Motor >>>> >>> Voter Act," makes it easier for all Americans to exercise their >>>> >>> fundamental >>>> >>> right to vote. One of the basic purposes of the Act is to increase >>>> >>> the >>>> >>> historically low registration rates of minorities and persons with >>>> >>> disabilities that have resulted from discrimination. The Motor >>>> >>> Voter >>>> Act >>>> >>> requires all offices of State-funded programs that are primarily >>>> engaged >>>> >>> in >>>> >>> providing services to persons with disabilities to provide all >>>> >>> program >>>> >>> applicants with voter registration forms, to assist them in >>>> >>> completing >>>> >>> the >>>> >>> forms, and to transmit completed forms to the appropriate State >>>> >>> official. >>>> >>> For more information, contact: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> U.S. Department of Justice >>>> >>> Civil Rights Division >>>> >>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >>>> >>> Voting Section - 1800 G >>>> >>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >>>> >>> >>>> >>> www.usdoj.gov/crt/voting >>>> >>> >>>> >>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >>>> >>> >>>> >>> It seems that the NFB has a lot of lawyers. Is it possible for us >>>> >>> to >>>> >>> get >>>> >>> someone trained in law to help us with this one? >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Here is another good resource, the Department of Justice: >>>> >>> http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/drs/ >>>> >>> >>>> >>> One question I have is, why aren't ALL voting machines accessible? >>>> >>> It >>>> >>> seems like this is more of a software issue. Would it not be >>>> >>> possible >>>> >>> to >>>> >>> write accessible software to be used on all machines? >>>> >>> >>>> >>> One other thing is that we should encourage people to file a >>>> >>> complaint >>>> >>> if >>>> >>> they have these aforementioned problems this year and in the >>>> >>> future. >>>> We >>>> >>> (the NFB) should provide information on that, as well. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> While I think this is a concern for the whole NFB on a national >>>> >>> level, >>>> I >>>> >>> think as students, we are in a good spot to target new voters and >>>> >>> college >>>> >>> students who have not voted before. Maybe we could draft a >>>> >>> brochure >>>> >>> about >>>> >>> rights and responsibilities and general information (maybe even for >>>> >>> people >>>> >>> who aren't blind but are disabled?) and make sure it gets >>>> >>> distributed >>>> at >>>> >>> voter registration drives going on campus. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Cindy also makes a good point about getting to the voting place. >>>> >>> Also, >>>> >>> this will become even more difficult in many states that require >>>> >>> valid >>>> >>> state IDs (like TN, AL, AR, etc.). How should we deal with this? >>>> >>> >>>> >>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>> >>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Cynthia Bennett >>>> >>> wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> Stephanie: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> That is a great idea. I had a similar experience as Josh as I >>>> >>>> voted >>>> >>>> in >>>> >>>> my first election. They were the 2008 primaries, and I was very >>>> >>>> excited. When the machine did not work, I asked a poll worker to >>>> >>>> assist me. They filled in the ballot as I wished, but the worker >>>> >>>> did >>>> >>>> make some comments about their preference on a politician. This >>>> >>>> occured when I said that I did not want to vote for a particular >>>> >>>> office, because I was unfamiliar with any of the candidates. I >>>> >>>> said >>>> >>>> something like, "I don't want to fill in anything for this," and >>>> >>>> the >>>> >>>> worker responded with "Oh, I heard that ___ is pretty good. Do you >>>> >>>> want me to fill in his/her name?" I chose to still not vote for >>>> >>>> that >>>> >>>> particular office. This practice is illegal, and I chose not to >>>> >>>> say >>>> >>>> anything about it. But I do think that an informational call about >>>> >>>> rights and accessible voting machines would be awesome. >>>> >>>> Unfortunately, >>>> >>>> each state is a little different, but information about federal >>>> >>>> mandates on the presence of accessible voting machines/rights and >>>> >>>> some >>>> >>>> typical patterns in accessible voting in states would be great. >>>> >>>> For >>>> >>>> example, Washington conducts mail ballots. There are a few >>>> >>>> precincts >>>> >>>> around town, but if you work in a neighborhood in which it takes a >>>> >>>> while to get to a precinct, you are at a disadvantage as a blind >>>> >>>> person. So, you can either take off work and use public >>>> >>>> transportation >>>> >>>> to navigate to one of the few and very busy precincts and wait in >>>> >>>> a >>>> >>>> 3-hour line, or you can find a reader and disclose your voting >>>> >>>> preferences. The other animal in this issue is that if you choose >>>> >>>> to >>>> >>>> get a reader to fill out your signature does not match the >>>> >>>> signature >>>> >>>> on your state ID which is kept on file, then your ballot can be >>>> >>>> deemed >>>> >>>> as false and not counted. As a blind person, I do the best I can >>>> >>>> with >>>> >>>> my signature, but I do think that even the most ambitious blind >>>> >>>> people >>>> >>>> are at a disadvantage when having to match a signature, and our >>>> >>>> ballots could not be counted, and we may not hear about it, or we >>>> >>>> would learn of it after elections are closed. If we are afraid >>>> >>>> that >>>> >>>> our signature may not match that of our state ID, then we can have >>>> >>>> 2 >>>> >>>> witnesses sign. But that is 2 more people that have to see my >>>> >>>> ballot. >>>> >>>> I do not think that this practice is common within the states, and >>>> >>>> I >>>> >>>> would definitely not like my experience to dominate the nature of >>>> >>>> the >>>> >>>> call, but I wanted to relay it to show that I think this is a very >>>> >>>> good idea. I would personally like some professional/legal >>>> >>>> advice/legal suggestions on how this can be changed. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> So, if you have any suggestions on people to conduct this call, or >>>> >>>> resources for where this information can be found, please share >>>> >>>> it. >>>> >>>> If >>>> >>>> not, the membership committee will certainly take the initiative >>>> >>>> to >>>> >>>> conduct an informative call if we do in fact decide to pursue this >>>> >>>> topic. But I wanted to make sure that since you made the >>>> >>>> suggestion, >>>> >>>> you are welcome to provide suggestions on people to conduct the >>>> >>>> call. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I know that someone comes to each NC state convention with an >>>> >>>> accessible voting machine to show in the exhibit hall. During this >>>> >>>> time, people can vote in a fake election and orient themselves to >>>> >>>> the >>>> >>>> machine. I am not sure if NC is still doing this since it has been >>>> >>>> a >>>> >>>> few years since the accessible machines were introduced, but I >>>> >>>> think >>>> >>>> there is still a need for outreach about accessible voting. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Keep the good membership call suggestions coming! >>>> >>>> Cindy >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 8/27/12, Joshua Lester >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> > Hi, Stephanie! >>>> >>>> > That's a great idea! >>>> >>>> > I went to my voting site, earlier this year, and the machine >>>> >>>> > didn't >>>> >>>> work. >>>> >>>> > My Disability Rights person that works for the governor, here >>>> >>>> > said >>>> >>>> he'd come >>>> >>>> > down, to show them how to work it, but he never showed up! >>>> >>>> > Thanks, Joshua >>>> >>>> > ________________________________________ >>>> >>>> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on >>>> behalf >>>> >>>> of >>>> >>>> > Stephanie DeLuca [sjhhirst at gmail.com] >>>> >>>> > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 2:53 PM >>>> >>>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS Membership Call Survey >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > I think a discussion on voting as people with disabilities would >>>> >>>> > be >>>> >>>> good. >>>> >>>> > Since a lot of people are on college campuses, it'd be a good >>>> >>>> opportunity to >>>> >>>> > get involved with informing people with disabilities (mainly VI) >>>> >>>> > about >>>> >>>> > rights and responsibilities for voting. I've been to/worked at >>>> >>>> > several >>>> >>>> > voter registration drives, and I have NEVER seen information on >>>> >>>> > voting >>>> >>>> if >>>> >>>> > you have a disability. >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > On Aug 27, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Cody Bair >>>> >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >> Hi All, >>>> >>>> >> As you are probably already aware, NABS conducts monthly >>>> >>>> >> membership >>>> >>>> calls. >>>> >>>> >> In order to get this school year started we are currently >>>> >>>> >> seeking >>>> >>>> >> your >>>> >>>> >> input on what topics you would like to see us cover this year. >>>> >>>> >> Please >>>> >>>> >> either reply directly to this thread with your suggestions or >>>> >>>> >> mail >>>> >>>> them >>>> >>>> >> directly to >>>> >>>> >> Nabs.membership at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >> Sincerely, >>>> >>>> >> The NABS membership Committee >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> >> nabs-l mailing list >>>> >>>> >> nabs-l 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nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From astrochem119 at gmail.com Wed Aug 29 11:39:07 2012 From: astrochem119 at gmail.com (Chelsea Cook) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 07:39:07 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Heading Navigation in MSWord 2010 Message-ID: Hi NABSTERS, Hope everyone is having a great start to the semester! Does anyone know how to navigate by heading within a Word document without saving as html with jaws 11? I can invoke the headings list and they appear, but they are not announced when I just read straight through. Thanks a bunch, Chelsea -- Chelsea Cook Virginia Tech 2015; Physics Major cook2010 at vt.edu "I ask you to look both ways. For the road to a knowledge of the stars leads through the atom; and important knowledge of the atom has been reached through the stars." Sir Arthur Eddington, British astrophysicist (1882-1944), Stars and Atoms (1928), Lecture 1 From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Wed Aug 29 14:04:47 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 10:04:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Taking notes with a laptop when reading textbooks In-Reply-To: References: <026801cd857b$6f9b1b00$4ed15100$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <92C07BBE-271B-4BC9-9391-E93544FA0B61@gmail.com> How do u take notes on your iPhone? I have an iPad, and I think they may work close to the same way. Sent from my iPad On Aug 28, 2012, at 20:22, Marsha Drenth wrote: > Angie, > > assuming your textbooks are on the computer or the victore stream. I might use your Iphone to take the notes, or vice versa. Too bad to hear about your Apex. My troubles lie in my laptop crashed and burned a few weeks ago. So classes started and I have no laptop, but have my apex and my Iphone. > > Hope this works for you, > Marsha > > Marsha drenthSent from my iPhone > > On Aug 28, 2012, at 8:15 PM, "Anjelina" wrote: > >> Good evening all, >> >> I hope the start of the semester is going smoothly. Last week my old way of >> taking notes broke down. This may be a basic question but I'm wanting >> feedback how y'all take notes on a laptop. >> >> My Apex will be going to Humanware for a repair. Since I only have a laptop >> to take notes, what are some effective strategies you have used to read >> texts as well as take notes? >> >> Do you alt tab from your document window to the text and write notes, or do >> you write in your file of the textbook? >> >> Thanks for any input. >> >> >> >> Anjelina >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From clb5590 at gmail.com Wed Aug 29 15:49:26 2012 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 08:49:26 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Membership Call Survey In-Reply-To: References: <1346095971.37964.YahooMailClassic@web110705.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5C0973A9F1EF42BFAA736EA439EB1E5E@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <969F8C69-BE75-46D7-8DCE-6674085EFC55@gmail.com> I think that you guys bring up a good point that some of the things we struggle with are universal for many groups. I do think that several states have tried to compensate with things like early voting and opening the polls extra early and closing them later on election day. Also, I know that my college campus offered van rides for students to get to their precinct, and many professors encouraged anyone who needed to leave class to vote to do so. I also know that many retirement homes and assistive living facilities offer rides to the polls as well. About your frustrations regarding the DMV, they speak to how states are different. In my experiences, nondrivers have been able to renew their ID's online, and I do happen to live in walking distance from a DMV. I know this doesn't solve everything, but I do think that states are trying, and if you have a legitimate concern with the process, then I think you have every right to say something about it. Cindy Sent from my iPhone On Aug 28, 2012, at 7:27 PM, Stephanie DeLuca wrote: > I like the idea of making it easier to get IDs electronically, but maybe they're concerned about fraud? I was thinking about the transportation to the DMV as an issue because not everyone has a friend, a reader, or a family member to take them to the DMV. I guess I'm picturing an old lady whose family is not around who wants to vote. I guess in this case, she could vote absentee, but then, you have to wonder if the vote actually makes it there to get counted. Also, I think a lot of people don't realize that they can vote absentee any time. > > On Aug 28, 2012, at 9:17 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > >> Hi, >> Couldn't you plan ahead of time and take a friend or family member or even a reader to a DMV? I found it helpful to have someone with me because its kind of visual. You have to fill out a form, wait in a row of crowded chairs, and then go to two different counters, the last one is where they take your photo and give you the ID. If you have to go alone, a cab is the best option because you do not know how long it will take. >> >> I think getting to the DMV is a chore, but it’s a pain for everyone. I don't think having to show Photo id is fair either, but that is a separate issue. >> I also think on the subject of ID cards that its not fair that drivers can renew online where as you got to go in person to renew your photo id. >> They should let nondrivers renew online too! >> >> Ashley >> -----Original Message----- From: Stephanie H. DeLuca >> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 12:15 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS Membership Call Survey >> >> Hm my main concern with the IDs is that people have to get to the DMV >> somehow. In places like Nashville, that's not exactly straightforward. I >> guess they could take a cab? It just sucks because, I think before, people >> could just use a student ID (speaking about our own age group). Now, the >> states have made it more difficult than it already was. >> >> Rhode Island has an interesting approach to this (and someone correct me if >> I'm wrong). If you don't have a state ID on you at the polling place, you >> can sign an affidavit of identity, which basically just certifies that you >> are who you say you are. I like this idea (well, except for the whole >> signature thing, which I had never thought about). >> >> http://www.ncsl.org/legislatures-elections/elections/voter-id.aspx >> >> >> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Cynthia Bennett wrote: >> >>> Stephanie: >>> >>> This is great informaition. Thanks for going so much in depth. >>> >>> The ID issue is the easiest. I don't know of a state that doesn't >>> offer a nondriving photo ID. This can be obtained wherever you would >>> go to get your driver's license. It looks just like and contains all >>> of the information that a driver's license contains. It is a >>> legitimate form of ID. I had no problems at the precincts in NC when I >>> showed my photo ID. >>> >>> Where ID's relate to my concern is that when you get your ID, you have >>> to sign the bottom. The DMV that I went to had an electronic pad that >>> you sign with a stylus. I typically like to place a finger down on a >>> paper to orient myself before I write my signature. But touching the >>> electronic pad made a finger print. After a few unsuccessful tries, >>> the agent gave me an index card, and they elected to process my >>> signature the old way. This was helpful, but even though I have been >>> signing my name since I was 7, I really don't have any way of knowing >>> if I have signed my name exactly the way it looks on my state ID; this >>> signature is kept on file with the state so they don't actually have >>> to look at your ID to see it. I know that the intentions of this are >>> good and in place to prevent voter fraud, but as a blind person, I >>> feel like it pretty much gives me no choice but to find 2 witnesses to >>> sign my ballot and varify my signature, and I think that is unfair >>> since a sighted person can fill out their ballot independently and >>> forego the long precinct lines since they are located far and few >>> between due to the mailed-out ballots being the primary method used >>> for voting. >>> >>> I'm sure the membership committee will look at all of this information >>> and decide if this call is a good idea, which I think we will, and we >>> will work to find appropriate people to conduct the call. Thanks so >>> much for the information. It was really great to read. >>> >>> And, I go by Cindy so that's fine. >>> >>> Cindy >>> >>> On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: >>>> This website is very informative. The following link takes you to a > page >>>> where they have links to several laws relevant to people with >>> disabilities. >>>> >>>> http://www.section508.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=Laws >>>> >>>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Heh, I mean Cynthia, sorry! >>>>> >>>>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I'm excited to see that other people support the idea of getting >>>>>> involved >>>>>> but sad to admit that it's a problem. >>>>>> >>>>>> My story is this: In 2008, I went for early voting at one of the >>>>>> designated places in Nashville. When it was my turn, they designated >>> a >>>>>> polling machine to me. Before I began the process, I asked about >>>>>> assisted >>>>>> voting. Maybe I should have asked about accessible polling machines? >>>>>> Anyway, he just said he'd have to help me and that was the only >>> option >>>>>> I >>>>>> had. I turned him down and went through the process myself (I do have >>>>>> some >>>>>> vision). >>>>>> >>>>>> It seems that the voting issues fall into a few categories: >>>>>> 1) lack of knowledge of rights/responsibilities on behalf of the voter >>>>>> 2) lack of training and knowledge of polling staff >>>>>> 3) lack of a functioning accessible voting machine on site >>>>>> 4) difficult-to-follow tutorials/instructions for the accessible >>> machine >>>>>> >>>>>> For me, numbers 1 and 2 seem to be the biggest problems. How do we >>> get >>>>>> the word out and how do we insure that the people at the polling >>> places >>>>>> are >>>>>> trained and that there is a funcitoning machine available? >>>>>> >>>>>> I like the idea about having demos. Barring that, would it be >>> possible >>>>>> to record a tutorial and post it online? Maybe by someone who has >>> used >>>>>> it >>>>>> recently? I've heard that the tutorial provided at the polling place >>> is >>>>>> often not straightforward or easy to follow and that a blind user >>> could >>>>>> do >>>>>> a better job haha >>>>>> >>>>>> I think we should at the very least inform people of their rights. I >>>>>> think finding the federal law wouldn't be too hard, but some rules >>> vary >>>>>> state by state. I'm having trouble tracking down the information for >>>>>> TN, >>>>>> for example. Anyway, here is the federal law (I think). >>>>>> >>>>>> *Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act* >>>>>> >>>>>> The Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act of 1984 >>>>>> generally requires polling places across the United States to be >>>>>> physically >>>>>> accessible to people with disabilities for federal elections. Where no >>>>>> accessible location is available to serve as a polling place, a >>>>>> political >>>>>> subdivision must provide an alternate means of casting a ballot on the >>>>>> day >>>>>> of the election. This law also requires states to make available >>>>>> registration and voting aids for disabled and elderly voters, >>> including >>>>>> information by TTYs (also known as TDDs) or similar devices. For more >>>>>> information, contact: >>>>>> >>>>>> U.S. Department of Justice >>>>>> Civil Rights Division >>>>>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >>>>>> Voting Section - 1800 G >>>>>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >>>>>> >>>>>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *National Voter Registration Act* >>>>>> >>>>>> The National Voter Registration Act of 1993, also known as the "Motor >>>>>> Voter Act," makes it easier for all Americans to exercise their >>>>>> fundamental >>>>>> right to vote. One of the basic purposes of the Act is to increase the >>>>>> historically low registration rates of minorities and persons with >>>>>> disabilities that have resulted from discrimination. The Motor Voter >>> Act >>>>>> requires all offices of State-funded programs that are primarily >>> engaged >>>>>> in >>>>>> providing services to persons with disabilities to provide all program >>>>>> applicants with voter registration forms, to assist them in completing >>>>>> the >>>>>> forms, and to transmit completed forms to the appropriate State >>>>>> official. >>>>>> For more information, contact: >>>>>> >>>>>> U.S. Department of Justice >>>>>> Civil Rights Division >>>>>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >>>>>> Voting Section - 1800 G >>>>>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >>>>>> >>>>>> www.usdoj.gov/crt/voting >>>>>> >>>>>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >>>>>> >>>>>> It seems that the NFB has a lot of lawyers. Is it possible for us to >>>>>> get >>>>>> someone trained in law to help us with this one? >>>>>> >>>>>> Here is another good resource, the Department of Justice: >>>>>> http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/drs/ >>>>>> >>>>>> One question I have is, why aren't ALL voting machines accessible? It >>>>>> seems like this is more of a software issue. Would it not be possible >>>>>> to >>>>>> write accessible software to be used on all machines? >>>>>> >>>>>> One other thing is that we should encourage people to file a complaint >>>>>> if >>>>>> they have these aforementioned problems this year and in the future. >>> We >>>>>> (the NFB) should provide information on that, as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> While I think this is a concern for the whole NFB on a national level, >>> I >>>>>> think as students, we are in a good spot to target new voters and >>>>>> college >>>>>> students who have not voted before. Maybe we could draft a brochure >>>>>> about >>>>>> rights and responsibilities and general information (maybe even for >>>>>> people >>>>>> who aren't blind but are disabled?) and make sure it gets distributed >>> at >>>>>> voter registration drives going on campus. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cindy also makes a good point about getting to the voting place. >>> Also, >>>>>> this will become even more difficult in many states that require valid >>>>>> state IDs (like TN, AL, AR, etc.). How should we deal with this? >>>>>> >>>>>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>>>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Cynthia Bennett >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Stephanie: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That is a great idea. I had a similar experience as Josh as I voted >>>> in >>>>>>> my first election. They were the 2008 primaries, and I was very >>>>>>> excited. When the machine did not work, I asked a poll worker to >>>>>>> assist me. They filled in the ballot as I wished, but the worker did >>>>>>> make some comments about their preference on a politician. This >>>>>>> occured when I said that I did not want to vote for a particular >>>>>>> office, because I was unfamiliar with any of the candidates. I said >>>>>>> something like, "I don't want to fill in anything for this," and the >>>>>>> worker responded with "Oh, I heard that ___ is pretty good. Do you >>>>>>> want me to fill in his/her name?" I chose to still not vote for that >>>>>>> particular office. This practice is illegal, and I chose not to say >>>>>>> anything about it. But I do think that an informational call about >>>>>>> rights and accessible voting machines would be awesome. >>>> Unfortunately, >>>>>>> each state is a little different, but information about federal >>>>>>> mandates on the presence of accessible voting machines/rights and >>>> some >>>>>>> typical patterns in accessible voting in states would be great. For >>>>>>> example, Washington conducts mail ballots. There are a few precincts >>>>>>> around town, but if you work in a neighborhood in which it takes a >>>>>>> while to get to a precinct, you are at a disadvantage as a blind >>>>>>> person. So, you can either take off work and use public >>>> transportation >>>>>>> to navigate to one of the few and very busy precincts and wait in a >>>>>>> 3-hour line, or you can find a reader and disclose your voting >>>>>>> preferences. The other animal in this issue is that if you choose to >>>>>>> get a reader to fill out your signature does not match the signature >>>>>>> on your state ID which is kept on file, then your ballot can be >>>> deemed >>>>>>> as false and not counted. As a blind person, I do the best I can with >>>>>>> my signature, but I do think that even the most ambitious blind >>>> people >>>>>>> are at a disadvantage when having to match a signature, and our >>>>>>> ballots could not be counted, and we may not hear about it, or we >>>>>>> would learn of it after elections are closed. If we are afraid that >>>>>>> our signature may not match that of our state ID, then we can have 2 >>>>>>> witnesses sign. But that is 2 more people that have to see my ballot. >>>>>>> I do not think that this practice is common within the states, and I >>>>>>> would definitely not like my experience to dominate the nature of the >>>>>>> call, but I wanted to relay it to show that I think this is a very >>>>>>> good idea. I would personally like some professional/legal >>>>>>> advice/legal suggestions on how this can be changed. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So, if you have any suggestions on people to conduct this call, or >>>>>>> resources for where this information can be found, please share it. >>>> If >>>>>>> not, the membership committee will certainly take the initiative to >>>>>>> conduct an informative call if we do in fact decide to pursue this >>>>>>> topic. But I wanted to make sure that since you made the suggestion, >>>>>>> you are welcome to provide suggestions on people to conduct the call. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I know that someone comes to each NC state convention with an >>>>>>> accessible voting machine to show in the exhibit hall. During this >>>>>>> time, people can vote in a fake election and orient themselves to the >>>>>>> machine. I am not sure if NC is still doing this since it has been a >>>>>>> few years since the accessible machines were introduced, but I think >>>>>>> there is still a need for outreach about accessible voting. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Keep the good membership call suggestions coming! >>>>>>> Cindy >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 8/27/12, Joshua Lester >>> wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi, Stephanie! >>>>>>>> That's a great idea! >>>>>>>> I went to my voting site, earlier this year, and the machine didn't >>>>>>> work. >>>>>>>> My Disability Rights person that works for the governor, here said >>>>>>> he'd come >>>>>>>> down, to show them how to work it, but he never showed up! >>>>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>>>> ________________________________________ >>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on >>> behalf >>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> Stephanie DeLuca [sjhhirst at gmail.com] >>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 2:53 PM >>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS Membership Call Survey >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think a discussion on voting as people with disabilities would be >>>>>>> good. >>>>>>>> Since a lot of people are on college campuses, it'd be a good >>>>>>> opportunity to >>>>>>>> get involved with informing people with disabilities (mainly VI) >>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>> rights and responsibilities for voting. I've been to/worked at >>>>>>>> several >>>>>>>> voter registration drives, and I have NEVER seen information on >>>>>>>> voting >>>>>>> if >>>>>>>> you have a disability. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Aug 27, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Cody Bair wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi All, >>>>>>>>> As you are probably already aware, NABS conducts monthly >>>> >> membership >>>>>>> calls. >>>>>>>>> In order to get this school year started we are currently seeking >>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>> input on what topics you would like to see us cover this year. >>>>>>>>> Please >>>>>>>>> either reply directly to this thread with your suggestions or mail >>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>> directly to >>>>>>>>> Nabs.membership at gmail.com >>>>>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>>>>> The NABS membership Committee >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Cynthia Bennett >>>>>>> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >>>>>>> >>>>>>> clb5590 at gmail.com >>>>>>> 828.989.5383 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Cynthia Bennett >>> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >>> >>> clb5590 at gmail.com >>> 828.989.5383 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com From sjhhirst at gmail.com Wed Aug 29 16:15:02 2012 From: sjhhirst at gmail.com (Stephanie Hirst DeLuca) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 11:15:02 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Membership Call Survey In-Reply-To: <969F8C69-BE75-46D7-8DCE-6674085EFC55@gmail.com> References: <1346095971.37964.YahooMailClassic@web110705.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5C0973A9F1EF42BFAA736EA439EB1E5E@OwnerPC> <969F8C69-BE75-46D7-8DCE-6674085EFC55@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8269619788227245007@unknownmsgid> Ooo I love the vans idea ! On Aug 29, 2012, at 10:50 AM, Cindy wrote: > I think that you guys bring up a good point that some of the things we struggle with are universal for many groups. I do think that several states have tried to compensate with things like early voting and opening the polls extra early and closing them later on election day. Also, I know that my college campus offered van rides for students to get to their precinct, and many professors encouraged anyone who needed to leave class to vote to do so. I also know that many retirement homes and assistive living facilities offer rides to the polls as well. About your frustrations regarding the DMV, they speak to how states are different. In my experiences, nondrivers have been able to renew their ID's online, and I do happen to live in walking distance from a DMV. > > I know this doesn't solve everything, but I do think that states are trying, and if you have a legitimate concern with the process, then I think you have every right to say something about it. > > Cindy > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 28, 2012, at 7:27 PM, Stephanie DeLuca wrote: > >> I like the idea of making it easier to get IDs electronically, but maybe they're concerned about fraud? I was thinking about the transportation to the DMV as an issue because not everyone has a friend, a reader, or a family member to take them to the DMV. I guess I'm picturing an old lady whose family is not around who wants to vote. I guess in this case, she could vote absentee, but then, you have to wonder if the vote actually makes it there to get counted. Also, I think a lot of people don't realize that they can vote absentee any time. >> >> On Aug 28, 2012, at 9:17 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> Couldn't you plan ahead of time and take a friend or family member or even a reader to a DMV? I found it helpful to have someone with me because its kind of visual. You have to fill out a form, wait in a row of crowded chairs, and then go to two different counters, the last one is where they take your photo and give you the ID. If you have to go alone, a cab is the best option because you do not know how long it will take. >>> >>> I think getting to the DMV is a chore, but it’s a pain for everyone. I don't think having to show Photo id is fair either, but that is a separate issue. >>> I also think on the subject of ID cards that its not fair that drivers can renew online where as you got to go in person to renew your photo id. >>> They should let nondrivers renew online too! >>> >>> Ashley >>> -----Original Message----- From: Stephanie H. DeLuca >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 12:15 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS Membership Call Survey >>> >>> Hm my main concern with the IDs is that people have to get to the DMV >>> somehow. In places like Nashville, that's not exactly straightforward. I >>> guess they could take a cab? It just sucks because, I think before, people >>> could just use a student ID (speaking about our own age group). Now, the >>> states have made it more difficult than it already was. >>> >>> Rhode Island has an interesting approach to this (and someone correct me if >>> I'm wrong). If you don't have a state ID on you at the polling place, you >>> can sign an affidavit of identity, which basically just certifies that you >>> are who you say you are. I like this idea (well, except for the whole >>> signature thing, which I had never thought about). >>> >>> http://www.ncsl.org/legislatures-elections/elections/voter-id.aspx >>> >>> >>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Cynthia Bennett wrote: >>> >>>> Stephanie: >>>> >>>> This is great informaition. Thanks for going so much in depth. >>>> >>>> The ID issue is the easiest. I don't know of a state that doesn't >>>> offer a nondriving photo ID. This can be obtained wherever you would >>>> go to get your driver's license. It looks just like and contains all >>>> of the information that a driver's license contains. It is a >>>> legitimate form of ID. I had no problems at the precincts in NC when I >>>> showed my photo ID. >>>> >>>> Where ID's relate to my concern is that when you get your ID, you have >>>> to sign the bottom. The DMV that I went to had an electronic pad that >>>> you sign with a stylus. I typically like to place a finger down on a >>>> paper to orient myself before I write my signature. But touching the >>>> electronic pad made a finger print. After a few unsuccessful tries, >>>> the agent gave me an index card, and they elected to process my >>>> signature the old way. This was helpful, but even though I have been >>>> signing my name since I was 7, I really don't have any way of knowing >>>> if I have signed my name exactly the way it looks on my state ID; this >>>> signature is kept on file with the state so they don't actually have >>>> to look at your ID to see it. I know that the intentions of this are >>>> good and in place to prevent voter fraud, but as a blind person, I >>>> feel like it pretty much gives me no choice but to find 2 witnesses to >>>> sign my ballot and varify my signature, and I think that is unfair >>>> since a sighted person can fill out their ballot independently and >>>> forego the long precinct lines since they are located far and few >>>> between due to the mailed-out ballots being the primary method used >>>> for voting. >>>> >>>> I'm sure the membership committee will look at all of this information >>>> and decide if this call is a good idea, which I think we will, and we >>>> will work to find appropriate people to conduct the call. Thanks so >>>> much for the information. It was really great to read. >>>> >>>> And, I go by Cindy so that's fine. >>>> >>>> Cindy >>>> >>>> On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: >>>>> This website is very informative. The following link takes you to a > page >>>>> where they have links to several laws relevant to people with >>>> disabilities. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.section508.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=Laws >>>>> >>>>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Heh, I mean Cynthia, sorry! >>>>>> >>>>>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>>>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm excited to see that other people support the idea of getting >>>>>>> involved >>>>>>> but sad to admit that it's a problem. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My story is this: In 2008, I went for early voting at one of the >>>>>>> designated places in Nashville. When it was my turn, they designated >>> a >>>>>>> polling machine to me. Before I began the process, I asked about >>>>>>> assisted >>>>>>> voting. Maybe I should have asked about accessible polling machines? >>>>>>> Anyway, he just said he'd have to help me and that was the only >>> option >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> had. I turned him down and went through the process myself (I do have >>>>>>> some >>>>>>> vision). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It seems that the voting issues fall into a few categories: >>>>>>> 1) lack of knowledge of rights/responsibilities on behalf of the voter >>>>>>> 2) lack of training and knowledge of polling staff >>>>>>> 3) lack of a functioning accessible voting machine on site >>>>>>> 4) difficult-to-follow tutorials/instructions for the accessible >>>> machine >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For me, numbers 1 and 2 seem to be the biggest problems. How do we >>> get >>>>>>> the word out and how do we insure that the people at the polling >>> places >>>>>>> are >>>>>>> trained and that there is a funcitoning machine available? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I like the idea about having demos. Barring that, would it be >>> possible >>>>>>> to record a tutorial and post it online? Maybe by someone who has >>> used >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> recently? I've heard that the tutorial provided at the polling place >>>> is >>>>>>> often not straightforward or easy to follow and that a blind user >>> could >>>>>>> do >>>>>>> a better job haha >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think we should at the very least inform people of their rights. I >>>>>>> think finding the federal law wouldn't be too hard, but some rules >>> vary >>>>>>> state by state. I'm having trouble tracking down the information for >>>>>>> TN, >>>>>>> for example. Anyway, here is the federal law (I think). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act of 1984 >>>>>>> generally requires polling places across the United States to be >>>>>>> physically >>>>>>> accessible to people with disabilities for federal elections. Where no >>>>>>> accessible location is available to serve as a polling place, a >>>>>>> political >>>>>>> subdivision must provide an alternate means of casting a ballot on the >>>>>>> day >>>>>>> of the election. This law also requires states to make available >>>>>>> registration and voting aids for disabled and elderly voters, >>> including >>>>>>> information by TTYs (also known as TDDs) or similar devices. For more >>>>>>> information, contact: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> U.S. Department of Justice >>>>>>> Civil Rights Division >>>>>>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >>>>>>> Voting Section - 1800 G >>>>>>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *National Voter Registration Act* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The National Voter Registration Act of 1993, also known as the "Motor >>>>>>> Voter Act," makes it easier for all Americans to exercise their >>>>>>> fundamental >>>>>>> right to vote. One of the basic purposes of the Act is to increase the >>>>>>> historically low registration rates of minorities and persons with >>>>>>> disabilities that have resulted from discrimination. The Motor Voter >>>> Act >>>>>>> requires all offices of State-funded programs that are primarily >>>> engaged >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> providing services to persons with disabilities to provide all program >>>>>>> applicants with voter registration forms, to assist them in completing >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> forms, and to transmit completed forms to the appropriate State >>>>>>> official. >>>>>>> For more information, contact: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> U.S. Department of Justice >>>>>>> Civil Rights Division >>>>>>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >>>>>>> Voting Section - 1800 G >>>>>>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> www.usdoj.gov/crt/voting >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It seems that the NFB has a lot of lawyers. Is it possible for us to >>>>>>> get >>>>>>> someone trained in law to help us with this one? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Here is another good resource, the Department of Justice: >>>>>>> http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/drs/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> One question I have is, why aren't ALL voting machines accessible? It >>>>>>> seems like this is more of a software issue. Would it not be possible >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> write accessible software to be used on all machines? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> One other thing is that we should encourage people to file a complaint >>>>>>> if >>>>>>> they have these aforementioned problems this year and in the future. >>>> We >>>>>>> (the NFB) should provide information on that, as well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> While I think this is a concern for the whole NFB on a national level, >>>> I >>>>>>> think as students, we are in a good spot to target new voters and >>>>>>> college >>>>>>> students who have not voted before. Maybe we could draft a brochure >>>>>>> about >>>>>>> rights and responsibilities and general information (maybe even for >>>>>>> people >>>>>>> who aren't blind but are disabled?) and make sure it gets distributed >>>> at >>>>>>> voter registration drives going on campus. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cindy also makes a good point about getting to the voting place. >>> Also, >>>>>>> this will become even more difficult in many states that require valid >>>>>>> state IDs (like TN, AL, AR, etc.). How should we deal with this? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>>>>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Cynthia Bennett >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Stephanie: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That is a great idea. I had a similar experience as Josh as I voted >>>> in >>>>>>>> my first election. They were the 2008 primaries, and I was very >>>>>>>> excited. When the machine did not work, I asked a poll worker to >>>>>>>> assist me. They filled in the ballot as I wished, but the worker did >>>>>>>> make some comments about their preference on a politician. This >>>>>>>> occured when I said that I did not want to vote for a particular >>>>>>>> office, because I was unfamiliar with any of the candidates. I said >>>>>>>> something like, "I don't want to fill in anything for this," and the >>>>>>>> worker responded with "Oh, I heard that ___ is pretty good. Do you >>>>>>>> want me to fill in his/her name?" I chose to still not vote for that >>>>>>>> particular office. This practice is illegal, and I chose not to say >>>>>>>> anything about it. But I do think that an informational call about >>>>>>>> rights and accessible voting machines would be awesome. >>>> Unfortunately, >>>>>>>> each state is a little different, but information about federal >>>>>>>> mandates on the presence of accessible voting machines/rights and >>>> some >>>>>>>> typical patterns in accessible voting in states would be great. For >>>>>>>> example, Washington conducts mail ballots. There are a few precincts >>>>>>>> around town, but if you work in a neighborhood in which it takes a >>>>>>>> while to get to a precinct, you are at a disadvantage as a blind >>>>>>>> person. So, you can either take off work and use public >>>> transportation >>>>>>>> to navigate to one of the few and very busy precincts and wait in a >>>>>>>> 3-hour line, or you can find a reader and disclose your voting >>>>>>>> preferences. The other animal in this issue is that if you choose to >>>>>>>> get a reader to fill out your signature does not match the signature >>>>>>>> on your state ID which is kept on file, then your ballot can be >>>> deemed >>>>>>>> as false and not counted. As a blind person, I do the best I can with >>>>>>>> my signature, but I do think that even the most ambitious blind >>>> people >>>>>>>> are at a disadvantage when having to match a signature, and our >>>>>>>> ballots could not be counted, and we may not hear about it, or we >>>>>>>> would learn of it after elections are closed. If we are afraid that >>>>>>>> our signature may not match that of our state ID, then we can have 2 >>>>>>>> witnesses sign. But that is 2 more people that have to see my ballot. >>>>>>>> I do not think that this practice is common within the states, and I >>>>>>>> would definitely not like my experience to dominate the nature of the >>>>>>>> call, but I wanted to relay it to show that I think this is a very >>>>>>>> good idea. I would personally like some professional/legal >>>>>>>> advice/legal suggestions on how this can be changed. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So, if you have any suggestions on people to conduct this call, or >>>>>>>> resources for where this information can be found, please share it. >>>> If >>>>>>>> not, the membership committee will certainly take the initiative to >>>>>>>> conduct an informative call if we do in fact decide to pursue this >>>>>>>> topic. But I wanted to make sure that since you made the suggestion, >>>>>>>> you are welcome to provide suggestions on people to conduct the call. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I know that someone comes to each NC state convention with an >>>>>>>> accessible voting machine to show in the exhibit hall. During this >>>>>>>> time, people can vote in a fake election and orient themselves to the >>>>>>>> machine. I am not sure if NC is still doing this since it has been a >>>>>>>> few years since the accessible machines were introduced, but I think >>>>>>>> there is still a need for outreach about accessible voting. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Keep the good membership call suggestions coming! >>>>>>>> Cindy >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 8/27/12, Joshua Lester >>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hi, Stephanie! >>>>>>>>> That's a great idea! >>>>>>>>> I went to my voting site, earlier this year, and the machine didn't >>>>>>>> work. >>>>>>>>> My Disability Rights person that works for the governor, here said >>>>>>>> he'd come >>>>>>>>> down, to show them how to work it, but he never showed up! >>>>>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>>>>> ________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on >>>> behalf >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> Stephanie DeLuca [sjhhirst at gmail.com] >>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 2:53 PM >>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS Membership Call Survey >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I think a discussion on voting as people with disabilities would be >>>>>>>> good. >>>>>>>>> Since a lot of people are on college campuses, it'd be a good >>>>>>>> opportunity to >>>>>>>>> get involved with informing people with disabilities (mainly VI) >>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>> rights and responsibilities for voting. I've been to/worked at >>>>>>>>> several >>>>>>>>> voter registration drives, and I have NEVER seen information on >>>>>>>>> voting >>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>> you have a disability. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Aug 27, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Cody Bair wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi All, >>>>>>>>>> As you are probably already aware, NABS conducts monthly >>>> >> membership >>>>>>>> calls. >>>>>>>>>> In order to get this school year started we are currently seeking >>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>> input on what topics you would like to see us cover this year. >>>>>>>>>> Please >>>>>>>>>> either reply directly to this thread with your suggestions or mail >>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>>> directly to >>>>>>>>>> Nabs.membership at gmail.com >>>>>>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>>>>>> The NABS membership Committee >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> To 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>>>> Cynthia Bennett >>>> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >>>> >>>> clb5590 at gmail.com >>>> 828.989.5383 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com From zach2012 at chickerland.com Wed Aug 29 18:32:58 2012 From: zach2012 at chickerland.com (Zach) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 12:32:58 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] turnitin.com In-Reply-To: <503bfed6.c4d5e00a.2e7b.ffffd283@mx.google.com> References: <503bfed6.c4d5e00a.2e7b.ffffd283@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5BFEF93116A945F5BD54B879D563265F@ZachlaptopPC> I have used this and it is somewhat accessible. Am using it now for freshman college literature. Zach Griego-Dreicer Email: zach2012 at chickerland.com Skype and Twitter: Chickerland Facebook profile: http://www.facebook.com/chickerland or find me using this email address. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 5:12 PM To: NFB NABS list Cc: jsotwel at carrollk12.org Subject: [nabs-l] turnitin.com Hi everyone, Today was our first day of classes, and my English/Freshman Seminar teacher informed us today that she uses the Web site TurnItIn.com to turn in certain assignments, particularly long-term projects and essays. Has anybody on this list used this Web site to turn in work to your teachers? If so, how accessible is it with JAWS? If it is accessible, how do I use this site with JAWS to turn in work? By the way, in the event that this Web site is inaccessible, I've already talked with my teacher and she gave me permission to email projects usually turned in on turnitin.com to her. Thanks in advance, Chris _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zach2012%40chickerland.com From troubleclark at gmail.com Wed Aug 29 20:47:33 2012 From: troubleclark at gmail.com (Nathan Clark) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 16:47:33 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] turnitin.com In-Reply-To: <5BFEF93116A945F5BD54B879D563265F@ZachlaptopPC> References: <503bfed6.c4d5e00a.2e7b.ffffd283@mx.google.com> <5BFEF93116A945F5BD54B879D563265F@ZachlaptopPC> Message-ID: Dear Chris, At Carroll Community College, Turnit in is a mandatory site to be used by all teachers and departments. So to answer your question I have used it but it isn't all that great of a site for Jaws users. Sincerely, Nathan Clark PS: how is high school mister Chris? On 8/29/12, Zach wrote: > I have used this and it is somewhat accessible. Am using it now for freshman > > college literature. > > > > Zach Griego-Dreicer > Email: zach2012 at chickerland.com > Skype and Twitter: Chickerland > Facebook profile: http://www.facebook.com/chickerland or find me using this > > email address. > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 5:12 PM > To: NFB NABS list > Cc: jsotwel at carrollk12.org > Subject: [nabs-l] turnitin.com > > Hi everyone, > > Today was our first day of classes, and my English/Freshman > Seminar teacher informed us today that she uses the Web site > TurnItIn.com to turn in certain assignments, particularly > long-term projects and essays. Has anybody on this list used > this Web site to turn in work to your teachers? If so, how > accessible is it with JAWS? If it is accessible, how do I use > this site with JAWS to turn in work? By the way, in the event > that this Web site is inaccessible, I've already talked with my > teacher and she gave me permission to email projects usually > turned in on turnitin.com to her. > > Thanks in advance, > > Chris > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zach2012%40chickerland.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark%40gmail.com > From dsykora29 at gmail.com Wed Aug 29 22:15:47 2012 From: dsykora29 at gmail.com (Danielle Sykora) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 18:15:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Taking notes with a laptop when reading textbooks In-Reply-To: <92C07BBE-271B-4BC9-9391-E93544FA0B61@gmail.com> References: <026801cd857b$6f9b1b00$4ed15100$@gmail.com> <92C07BBE-271B-4BC9-9391-E93544FA0B61@gmail.com> Message-ID: If your textbooks are on your computer, it would probably be better to keep your notes in a separate document and alt tab between them. It is easier to review notes when they are in a separate file. Hope this helps, Danielle On 8/29/12, Lavonya Gardner wrote: > How do u take notes on your iPhone? I have an iPad, and I think they may > work close to the same way. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Aug 28, 2012, at 20:22, Marsha Drenth wrote: > >> Angie, >> >> assuming your textbooks are on the computer or the victore stream. I might >> use your Iphone to take the notes, or vice versa. Too bad to hear about >> your Apex. My troubles lie in my laptop crashed and burned a few weeks >> ago. So classes started and I have no laptop, but have my apex and my >> Iphone. >> >> Hope this works for you, >> Marsha >> >> Marsha drenthSent from my iPhone >> >> On Aug 28, 2012, at 8:15 PM, "Anjelina" wrote: >> >>> Good evening all, >>> >>> I hope the start of the semester is going smoothly. Last week my old way >>> of >>> taking notes broke down. This may be a basic question but I'm wanting >>> feedback how y'all take notes on a laptop. >>> >>> My Apex will be going to Humanware for a repair. Since I only have a >>> laptop >>> to take notes, what are some effective strategies you have used to read >>> texts as well as take notes? >>> >>> Do you alt tab from your document window to the text and write notes, or >>> do >>> you write in your file of the textbook? >>> >>> Thanks for any input. >>> >>> >>> >>> Anjelina >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40gmail.com > From arielle71 at gmail.com Wed Aug 29 23:25:35 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 17:25:35 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] ID's and Voting In-Reply-To: References: <5BEC910D48D54828ACFF96B7C2CE3D09@BrandonsLaptop2> Message-ID: Even if they need eye color on your ID card, couldn't they just ask you what color your eyes are and put that down? That's what they did for my height and weight. Arielle On 8/28/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Desiree, > That is a good question for the DMV. Call and ask. My guess is if you renew > > online, they will use your existing photo they have on file. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Desiree Oudinot > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 5:06 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ID's and Voting > > Hi, > So, if you can renew your ID online, how do they get an updated > picture? I've heard of people not having a picture on their ID for > religious reasons, but I'm certainly not interested in that because it > just seems like from all I've heard and what I think personally, no > one would take an ID without a picture on it seriously. It would be > extremely easy to forge. No offense to people who choose not to have a > picture on their ID for whatever reason, it's just not something I > would do myself. So how does that work? My mom said that if I renew > online, what will probably happen is they'll send something in the > mail which says the ID isn't expired, and I'll have 60 days to go to > the DMV to have my picture taken. Is that true? > > On 8/28/12, Justin Young wrote: >> I know you don't necessarily have to go to the DMV to renew your ID. >> When it came time for me to renew mine, they just sent a form in the >> mail and I checked a box(Driver or Non-Driver). They both had a >> length they were good for and a fee it cost to purchase them. Using a >> CCTV I filled out the form rather quickly. If one doesn't have enough >> vision for that, then I guess the only other way would to have sighted >> assistance. I would say though if the picture you wish to change, >> then to my knowledge you have to go to the DMV. Hope this helps >> >> On 8/28/12, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: >>> Hello, >>> The way I write my signature is Place my finger on the line, place my >>> pen >>> next to my finger, lift my finger, ask someone if the pen is in the >>> right >>> place and agust to what they say, then if I can I place my finger back >>> on >>> the paper and then I write my signature strait from my finger. I have a >>> signature that doesn't need me to lift my pen from the paper, so that is >>> really good. I also just use my first name as my signature only. (I'm >>> not >>> sure if people know this, but your signature doesn't need to be your >>> name, >>> it can be a star or a picture of some kind). I've been told that my >>> signature is super hard to copy and it is still readable. I use a >>> mixture >>> of >>> >>> cursive and the typical letters. I sat down with my living skills >>> instructor >>> >>> one day and we experimented with signatures and found the thing that >>> would >>> be the fastest, most readable and the best reproducible, so that is what >>> I >>> now use. Also, I only write capitals, because they are the easiest to >>> write >>> >>> for me. >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Brandon Keith Biggs >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Arielle Silverman >>> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 10:15 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] ID's and Voting >>> >>> Hi all, >>> I think it is fair for a blind person to need to get a state ID card >>> or non-driving license. Going to the DMV sucks but it sucks for >>> sighted people too. Having some kind of legal identification is just >>> part of living in this country as an adult and enables us to >>> participate in all the same activities as those with drivers' >>> licenses, including flying on airplanes and passing the age test to >>> buy alcohol (I don't think student ID is acceptable for either of >>> these things, whether you are sighted or blind). I do, however, agree >>> that requiring a blind person to give a signature that matches one on >>> file is probably unfair even if it is not intended to be >>> discriminatory. A blind person could get around this by signing with a >>> stamp, though I'm not sure how long those last. >>> Arielle >>> On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: >>>> Hm my main concern with the IDs is that people have to get to the DMV >>>> somehow. In places like Nashville, that's not exactly straightforward. >>>> I >>>> guess they could take a cab? It just sucks because, I think before, >>>> people >>>> could just use a student ID (speaking about our own age group). Now, >>>> the >>>> states have made it more difficult than it already was. >>>> >>>> Rhode Island has an interesting approach to this (and someone correct >>>> me >>>> if >>>> I'm wrong). If you don't have a state ID on you at the polling place, >>>> you >>>> can sign an affidavit of identity, which basically just certifies that >>>> you >>>> are who you say you are. I like this idea (well, except for the whole >>>> signature thing, which I had never thought about). >>>> >>>> http://www.ncsl.org/legislatures-elections/elections/voter-id.aspx >>>> >>>> >>>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Cynthia Bennett >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Stephanie: >>>>> >>>>> This is great informaition. Thanks for going so much in depth. >>>>> >>>>> The ID issue is the easiest. I don't know of a state that doesn't >>>>> offer a nondriving photo ID. This can be obtained wherever you would >>>>> go to get your driver's license. It looks just like and contains all >>>>> of the information that a driver's license contains. It is a >>>>> legitimate form of ID. I had no problems at the precincts in NC when I >>>>> showed my photo ID. >>>>> >>>>> Where ID's relate to my concern is that when you get your ID, you have >>>>> to sign the bottom. The DMV that I went to had an electronic pad that >>>>> you sign with a stylus. I typically like to place a finger down on a >>>>> paper to orient myself before I write my signature. But touching the >>>>> electronic pad made a finger print. After a few unsuccessful tries, >>>>> the agent gave me an index card, and they elected to process my >>>>> signature the old way. This was helpful, but even though I have been >>>>> signing my name since I was 7, I really don't have any way of knowing >>>>> if I have signed my name exactly the way it looks on my state ID; this >>>>> signature is kept on file with the state so they don't actually have >>>>> to look at your ID to see it. I know that the intentions of this are >>>>> good and in place to prevent voter fraud, but as a blind person, I >>>>> feel like it pretty much gives me no choice but to find 2 witnesses to >>>>> sign my ballot and varify my signature, and I think that is unfair >>>>> since a sighted person can fill out their ballot independently and >>>>> forego the long precinct lines since they are located far and few >>>>> between due to the mailed-out ballots being the primary method used >>>>> for voting. >>>>> >>>>> I'm sure the membership committee will look at all of this information >>>>> and decide if this call is a good idea, which I think we will, and we >>>>> will work to find appropriate people to conduct the call. Thanks so >>>>> much for the information. It was really great to read. >>>>> >>>>> And, I go by Cindy so that's fine. >>>>> >>>>> Cindy >>>>> >>>>> On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: >>>>> > This website is very informative. The following link takes you to a >>>>> > page >>>>> > where they have links to several laws relevant to people with >>>>> disabilities. >>>>> > >>>>> > http://www.section508.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=Laws >>>>> > >>>>> > In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>>> > ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> >> Heh, I mean Cynthia, sorry! >>>>> >> >>>>> >> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>>> >> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca >>>>> >> wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >>> I'm excited to see that other people support the idea of getting >>>>> >>> involved >>>>> >>> but sad to admit that it's a problem. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> My story is this: In 2008, I went for early voting at one of the >>>>> >>> designated places in Nashville. When it was my turn, they >>>>> >>> designated >>>>> >>> a >>>>> >>> polling machine to me. Before I began the process, I asked about >>>>> >>> assisted >>>>> >>> voting. Maybe I should have asked about accessible polling >>>>> >>> machines? >>>>> >>> Anyway, he just said he'd have to help me and that was the only >>>>> >>> option >>>>> >>> I >>>>> >>> had. I turned him down and went through the process myself (I do >>>>> >>> have >>>>> >>> some >>>>> >>> vision). >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> It seems that the voting issues fall into a few categories: >>>>> >>> 1) lack of knowledge of rights/responsibilities on behalf of the >>>>> >>> voter >>>>> >>> 2) lack of training and knowledge of polling staff >>>>> >>> 3) lack of a functioning accessible voting machine on site >>>>> >>> 4) difficult-to-follow tutorials/instructions for the accessible >>>>> machine >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> For me, numbers 1 and 2 seem to be the biggest problems. How do >>>>> >>> we >>>>> >>> get >>>>> >>> the word out and how do we insure that the people at the polling >>>>> >>> places >>>>> >>> are >>>>> >>> trained and that there is a funcitoning machine available? >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> I like the idea about having demos. Barring that, would it be >>>>> >>> possible >>>>> >>> to record a tutorial and post it online? Maybe by someone who has >>>>> >>> used >>>>> >>> it >>>>> >>> recently? I've heard that the tutorial provided at the polling >>>>> >>> place >>>>> is >>>>> >>> often not straightforward or easy to follow and that a blind user >>>>> >>> could >>>>> >>> do >>>>> >>> a better job haha >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> I think we should at the very least inform people of their rights. >>>>> >>> I >>>>> >>> think finding the federal law wouldn't be too hard, but some rules >>>>> >>> vary >>>>> >>> state by state. I'm having trouble tracking down the information >>>>> >>> for >>>>> >>> TN, >>>>> >>> for example. Anyway, here is the federal law (I think). >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> *Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act* >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> The Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act of >>>>> >>> 1984 >>>>> >>> generally requires polling places across the United States to be >>>>> >>> physically >>>>> >>> accessible to people with disabilities for federal elections. >>>>> >>> Where >>>>> >>> no >>>>> >>> accessible location is available to serve as a polling place, a >>>>> >>> political >>>>> >>> subdivision must provide an alternate means of casting a ballot on >>>>> >>> the >>>>> >>> day >>>>> >>> of the election. This law also requires states to make available >>>>> >>> registration and voting aids for disabled and elderly voters, >>>>> >>> including >>>>> >>> information by TTYs (also known as TDDs) or similar devices. For >>>>> >>> more >>>>> >>> information, contact: >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> U.S. Department of Justice >>>>> >>> Civil Rights Division >>>>> >>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >>>>> >>> Voting Section - 1800 G >>>>> >>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> *National Voter Registration Act* >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> The National Voter Registration Act of 1993, also known as the >>>>> >>> "Motor >>>>> >>> Voter Act," makes it easier for all Americans to exercise their >>>>> >>> fundamental >>>>> >>> right to vote. One of the basic purposes of the Act is to increase >>>>> >>> the >>>>> >>> historically low registration rates of minorities and persons with >>>>> >>> disabilities that have resulted from discrimination. The Motor >>>>> >>> Voter >>>>> Act >>>>> >>> requires all offices of State-funded programs that are primarily >>>>> engaged >>>>> >>> in >>>>> >>> providing services to persons with disabilities to provide all >>>>> >>> program >>>>> >>> applicants with voter registration forms, to assist them in >>>>> >>> completing >>>>> >>> the >>>>> >>> forms, and to transmit completed forms to the appropriate State >>>>> >>> official. >>>>> >>> For more information, contact: >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> U.S. Department of Justice >>>>> >>> Civil Rights Division >>>>> >>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >>>>> >>> Voting Section - 1800 G >>>>> >>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> www.usdoj.gov/crt/voting >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> It seems that the NFB has a lot of lawyers. Is it possible for us >>>>> >>> to >>>>> >>> get >>>>> >>> someone trained in law to help us with this one? >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Here is another good resource, the Department of Justice: >>>>> >>> http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/drs/ >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> One question I have is, why aren't ALL voting machines accessible? >>>>> >>> It >>>>> >>> seems like this is more of a software issue. Would it not be >>>>> >>> possible >>>>> >>> to >>>>> >>> write accessible software to be used on all machines? >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> One other thing is that we should encourage people to file a >>>>> >>> complaint >>>>> >>> if >>>>> >>> they have these aforementioned problems this year and in the >>>>> >>> future. >>>>> We >>>>> >>> (the NFB) should provide information on that, as well. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> While I think this is a concern for the whole NFB on a national >>>>> >>> level, >>>>> I >>>>> >>> think as students, we are in a good spot to target new voters and >>>>> >>> college >>>>> >>> students who have not voted before. Maybe we could draft a >>>>> >>> brochure >>>>> >>> about >>>>> >>> rights and responsibilities and general information (maybe even >>>>> >>> for >>>>> >>> people >>>>> >>> who aren't blind but are disabled?) and make sure it gets >>>>> >>> distributed >>>>> at >>>>> >>> voter registration drives going on campus. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Cindy also makes a good point about getting to the voting place. >>>>> >>> Also, >>>>> >>> this will become even more difficult in many states that require >>>>> >>> valid >>>>> >>> state IDs (like TN, AL, AR, etc.). How should we deal with this? >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>>> >>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Cynthia Bennett >>>>> >>> wrote: >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>>> Stephanie: >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> That is a great idea. I had a similar experience as Josh as I >>>>> >>>> voted >>>>> >>>> in >>>>> >>>> my first election. They were the 2008 primaries, and I was very >>>>> >>>> excited. When the machine did not work, I asked a poll worker to >>>>> >>>> assist me. They filled in the ballot as I wished, but the worker >>>>> >>>> did >>>>> >>>> make some comments about their preference on a politician. This >>>>> >>>> occured when I said that I did not want to vote for a particular >>>>> >>>> office, because I was unfamiliar with any of the candidates. I >>>>> >>>> said >>>>> >>>> something like, "I don't want to fill in anything for this," and >>>>> >>>> the >>>>> >>>> worker responded with "Oh, I heard that ___ is pretty good. Do >>>>> >>>> you >>>>> >>>> want me to fill in his/her name?" I chose to still not vote for >>>>> >>>> that >>>>> >>>> particular office. This practice is illegal, and I chose not to >>>>> >>>> say >>>>> >>>> anything about it. But I do think that an informational call >>>>> >>>> about >>>>> >>>> rights and accessible voting machines would be awesome. >>>>> >>>> Unfortunately, >>>>> >>>> each state is a little different, but information about federal >>>>> >>>> mandates on the presence of accessible voting machines/rights and >>>>> >>>> some >>>>> >>>> typical patterns in accessible voting in states would be great. >>>>> >>>> For >>>>> >>>> example, Washington conducts mail ballots. There are a few >>>>> >>>> precincts >>>>> >>>> around town, but if you work in a neighborhood in which it takes >>>>> >>>> a >>>>> >>>> while to get to a precinct, you are at a disadvantage as a blind >>>>> >>>> person. So, you can either take off work and use public >>>>> >>>> transportation >>>>> >>>> to navigate to one of the few and very busy precincts and wait in >>>>> >>>> a >>>>> >>>> 3-hour line, or you can find a reader and disclose your voting >>>>> >>>> preferences. The other animal in this issue is that if you choose >>>>> >>>> to >>>>> >>>> get a reader to fill out your signature does not match the >>>>> >>>> signature >>>>> >>>> on your state ID which is kept on file, then your ballot can be >>>>> >>>> deemed >>>>> >>>> as false and not counted. As a blind person, I do the best I can >>>>> >>>> with >>>>> >>>> my signature, but I do think that even the most ambitious blind >>>>> >>>> people >>>>> >>>> are at a disadvantage when having to match a signature, and our >>>>> >>>> ballots could not be counted, and we may not hear about it, or we >>>>> >>>> would learn of it after elections are closed. If we are afraid >>>>> >>>> that >>>>> >>>> our signature may not match that of our state ID, then we can >>>>> >>>> have >>>>> >>>> 2 >>>>> >>>> witnesses sign. But that is 2 more people that have to see my >>>>> >>>> ballot. >>>>> >>>> I do not think that this practice is common within the states, >>>>> >>>> and >>>>> >>>> I >>>>> >>>> would definitely not like my experience to dominate the nature of >>>>> >>>> the >>>>> >>>> call, but I wanted to relay it to show that I think this is a >>>>> >>>> very >>>>> >>>> good idea. I would personally like some professional/legal >>>>> >>>> advice/legal suggestions on how this can be changed. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> So, if you have any suggestions on people to conduct this call, >>>>> >>>> or >>>>> >>>> resources for where this information can be found, please share >>>>> >>>> it. >>>>> >>>> If >>>>> >>>> not, the membership committee will certainly take the initiative >>>>> >>>> to >>>>> >>>> conduct an informative call if we do in fact decide to pursue >>>>> >>>> this >>>>> >>>> topic. But I wanted to make sure that since you made the >>>>> >>>> suggestion, >>>>> >>>> you are welcome to provide suggestions on people to conduct the >>>>> >>>> call. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> I know that someone comes to each NC state convention with an >>>>> >>>> accessible voting machine to show in the exhibit hall. During >>>>> >>>> this >>>>> >>>> time, people can vote in a fake election and orient themselves to >>>>> >>>> the >>>>> >>>> machine. I am not sure if NC is still doing this since it has >>>>> >>>> been >>>>> >>>> a >>>>> >>>> few years since the accessible machines were introduced, but I >>>>> >>>> think >>>>> >>>> there is still a need for outreach about accessible voting. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> Keep the good membership call suggestions coming! >>>>> >>>> Cindy >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> On 8/27/12, Joshua Lester >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>> > Hi, Stephanie! >>>>> >>>> > That's a great idea! >>>>> >>>> > I went to my voting site, earlier this year, and the machine >>>>> >>>> > didn't >>>>> >>>> work. >>>>> >>>> > My Disability Rights person that works for the governor, here >>>>> >>>> > said >>>>> >>>> he'd come >>>>> >>>> > down, to show them how to work it, but he never showed up! >>>>> >>>> > Thanks, Joshua >>>>> >>>> > ________________________________________ >>>>> >>>> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on >>>>> behalf >>>>> >>>> of >>>>> >>>> > Stephanie DeLuca [sjhhirst at gmail.com] >>>>> >>>> > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 2:53 PM >>>>> >>>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> >>>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS Membership Call Survey >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>> > I think a discussion on voting as people with disabilities >>>>> >>>> > would >>>>> >>>> > be >>>>> >>>> good. >>>>> >>>> > Since a lot of people are on college campuses, it'd be a good >>>>> >>>> opportunity to >>>>> >>>> > get involved with informing people with disabilities (mainly >>>>> >>>> > VI) >>>>> >>>> > about >>>>> >>>> > rights and responsibilities for voting. I've been to/worked at >>>>> >>>> > several >>>>> >>>> > voter registration drives, and I have NEVER seen information on >>>>> >>>> > voting >>>>> >>>> if >>>>> >>>> > you have a disability. >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>> > On Aug 27, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Cody Bair >>>>> >>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>> >> Hi All, >>>>> >>>> >> As you are probably already aware, NABS conducts monthly >>>>> >>>> >> membership >>>>> >>>> calls. >>>>> >>>> >> In order to get this school year started we are currently >>>>> >>>> >> seeking >>>>> >>>> >> your >>>>> >>>> >> input on what topics you would like to see us cover this year. >>>>> >>>> >> Please >>>>> >>>> >> either reply directly to this thread with your suggestions or >>>>> >>>> >> mail >>>>> >>>> them >>>>> >>>> >> directly to >>>>> >>>> >> Nabs.membership at gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >> Sincerely, >>>>> >>>> >> The NABS membership Committee >>>>> >>>> >> >>>>> >>>> >> >>>>> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>> >> nabs-l 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http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Wed Aug 29 23:42:40 2012 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 17:42:40 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] ID cards Message-ID: <503ea913.c998320a.4a3c.64f9@mx.google.com> Hi, you guys. On the subject of ID cards and eye color, I have a boyfriend that doesn't even have an eyeball in either eye socket. So how could the DMV possibly identify someone without eyes? Exammple, someone like Jason with no eyes. For me, it's easy. I have eyes and color is brown, but I can't open the eyes. I've always had problems withh school pics where the teacher said I hd to retake the pics due to eyes not opening. Thoughts? Beth From arielle71 at gmail.com Wed Aug 29 23:52:05 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 17:52:05 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] ID cards In-Reply-To: <503ea913.c998320a.4a3c.64f9@mx.google.com> References: <503ea913.c998320a.4a3c.64f9@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Beth, Does he have prosthetic eyes? (like glass eyes) Many blind people have prosthetic eyes, so I imagine he could just say what the eyes are made of instead of an eye color. Arielle On 8/29/12, Beth wrote: > Hi, you guys. On the subject of ID cards and eye color, I have a > boyfriend that doesn't even have an eyeball in either eye socket. > So how could the DMV possibly identify someone without eyes? > Exammple, someone like Jason with no eyes. For me, it's easy. I > have eyes and color is brown, but I can't open the eyes. I've > always had problems withh school pics where the teacher said I hd > to retake the pics due to eyes not opening. Thoughts? > Beth > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Thu Aug 30 01:11:03 2012 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 19:11:03 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] ID cards Message-ID: <503ebdca.8a5b320a.3482.ffffaade@mx.google.com> HE does not have prosthetics as far as I know. His eyes are made in such a way that prosthetics are impossible to put in. I've seen those eyes of his. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: Arielle Silverman wrote: Hi, you guys. On the subject of ID cards and eye color, I have a boyfriend that doesn't even have an eyeball in either eye socket. So how could the DMV possibly identify someone without eyes? Exammple, someone like Jason with no eyes. For me, it's easy. I have eyes and color is brown, but I can't open the eyes. I've always had problems withh school pics where the teacher said I hd to retake the pics due to eyes not opening. Thoughts? Beth _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g mail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo se%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Aug 30 01:39:24 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 21:39:24 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] ID cards In-Reply-To: <503ea913.c998320a.4a3c.64f9@mx.google.com> References: <503ea913.c998320a.4a3c.64f9@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Beth, Some states put eye color on the id card. But if you do not have eyes, that cannot be used. perhaps under eye color, they would write NA for not applicable or leave it off the ID card. As for not being able to open your eyes, I assume there is some medical reason with being blind causing that. I am low vision so do not have that issue. But if you cannot open your eyes, I think some exception could be made. They should just take the picture with eyes closed then. -----Original Message----- From: Beth Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 7:42 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] ID cards Hi, you guys. On the subject of ID cards and eye color, I have a boyfriend that doesn't even have an eyeball in either eye socket. So how could the DMV possibly identify someone without eyes? Exammple, someone like Jason with no eyes. For me, it's easy. I have eyes and color is brown, but I can't open the eyes. I've always had problems withh school pics where the teacher said I hd to retake the pics due to eyes not opening. Thoughts? Beth _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Thu Aug 30 02:10:18 2012 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 20:10:18 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] ID cards Message-ID: <503ecbad.61b3320a.0d8c.1006@mx.google.com> That's true, Ashley. At least you're lucky you're low vision. Totals always have it hardd. Like I said in the original posts, I sometimes had teachers and photo people go nuts on my school piccs saying that I had to "retake them." Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" References: <5BEC910D48D54828ACFF96B7C2CE3D09@BrandonsLaptop2> Message-ID: I guess that would make too much sense! On 8/29/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Even if they need eye color on your ID card, couldn't they just ask > you what color your eyes are and put that down? That's what they did > for my height and weight. > Arielle > > On 8/28/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Desiree, >> That is a good question for the DMV. Call and ask. My guess is if you >> renew >> >> online, they will use your existing photo they have on file. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Desiree Oudinot >> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 5:06 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ID's and Voting >> >> Hi, >> So, if you can renew your ID online, how do they get an updated >> picture? I've heard of people not having a picture on their ID for >> religious reasons, but I'm certainly not interested in that because it >> just seems like from all I've heard and what I think personally, no >> one would take an ID without a picture on it seriously. It would be >> extremely easy to forge. No offense to people who choose not to have a >> picture on their ID for whatever reason, it's just not something I >> would do myself. So how does that work? My mom said that if I renew >> online, what will probably happen is they'll send something in the >> mail which says the ID isn't expired, and I'll have 60 days to go to >> the DMV to have my picture taken. Is that true? >> >> On 8/28/12, Justin Young wrote: >>> I know you don't necessarily have to go to the DMV to renew your ID. >>> When it came time for me to renew mine, they just sent a form in the >>> mail and I checked a box(Driver or Non-Driver). They both had a >>> length they were good for and a fee it cost to purchase them. Using a >>> CCTV I filled out the form rather quickly. If one doesn't have enough >>> vision for that, then I guess the only other way would to have sighted >>> assistance. I would say though if the picture you wish to change, >>> then to my knowledge you have to go to the DMV. Hope this helps >>> >>> On 8/28/12, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: >>>> Hello, >>>> The way I write my signature is Place my finger on the line, place my >>>> pen >>>> next to my finger, lift my finger, ask someone if the pen is in the >>>> right >>>> place and agust to what they say, then if I can I place my finger back >>>> on >>>> the paper and then I write my signature strait from my finger. I have a >>>> signature that doesn't need me to lift my pen from the paper, so that >>>> is >>>> really good. I also just use my first name as my signature only. (I'm >>>> not >>>> sure if people know this, but your signature doesn't need to be your >>>> name, >>>> it can be a star or a picture of some kind). I've been told that my >>>> signature is super hard to copy and it is still readable. I use a >>>> mixture >>>> of >>>> >>>> cursive and the typical letters. I sat down with my living skills >>>> instructor >>>> >>>> one day and we experimented with signatures and found the thing that >>>> would >>>> be the fastest, most readable and the best reproducible, so that is >>>> what >>>> I >>>> now use. Also, I only write capitals, because they are the easiest to >>>> write >>>> >>>> for me. >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Brandon Keith Biggs >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Arielle Silverman >>>> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 10:15 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] ID's and Voting >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> I think it is fair for a blind person to need to get a state ID card >>>> or non-driving license. Going to the DMV sucks but it sucks for >>>> sighted people too. Having some kind of legal identification is just >>>> part of living in this country as an adult and enables us to >>>> participate in all the same activities as those with drivers' >>>> licenses, including flying on airplanes and passing the age test to >>>> buy alcohol (I don't think student ID is acceptable for either of >>>> these things, whether you are sighted or blind). I do, however, agree >>>> that requiring a blind person to give a signature that matches one on >>>> file is probably unfair even if it is not intended to be >>>> discriminatory. A blind person could get around this by signing with a >>>> stamp, though I'm not sure how long those last. >>>> Arielle >>>> On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: >>>>> Hm my main concern with the IDs is that people have to get to the DMV >>>>> somehow. In places like Nashville, that's not exactly >>>>> straightforward. >>>>> I >>>>> guess they could take a cab? It just sucks because, I think before, >>>>> people >>>>> could just use a student ID (speaking about our own age group). Now, >>>>> the >>>>> states have made it more difficult than it already was. >>>>> >>>>> Rhode Island has an interesting approach to this (and someone correct >>>>> me >>>>> if >>>>> I'm wrong). If you don't have a state ID on you at the polling place, >>>>> you >>>>> can sign an affidavit of identity, which basically just certifies that >>>>> you >>>>> are who you say you are. I like this idea (well, except for the whole >>>>> signature thing, which I had never thought about). >>>>> >>>>> http://www.ncsl.org/legislatures-elections/elections/voter-id.aspx >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Cynthia Bennett >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Stephanie: >>>>>> >>>>>> This is great informaition. Thanks for going so much in depth. >>>>>> >>>>>> The ID issue is the easiest. I don't know of a state that doesn't >>>>>> offer a nondriving photo ID. This can be obtained wherever you would >>>>>> go to get your driver's license. It looks just like and contains all >>>>>> of the information that a driver's license contains. It is a >>>>>> legitimate form of ID. I had no problems at the precincts in NC when >>>>>> I >>>>>> showed my photo ID. >>>>>> >>>>>> Where ID's relate to my concern is that when you get your ID, you >>>>>> have >>>>>> to sign the bottom. The DMV that I went to had an electronic pad that >>>>>> you sign with a stylus. I typically like to place a finger down on a >>>>>> paper to orient myself before I write my signature. But touching the >>>>>> electronic pad made a finger print. After a few unsuccessful tries, >>>>>> the agent gave me an index card, and they elected to process my >>>>>> signature the old way. This was helpful, but even though I have been >>>>>> signing my name since I was 7, I really don't have any way of knowing >>>>>> if I have signed my name exactly the way it looks on my state ID; >>>>>> this >>>>>> signature is kept on file with the state so they don't actually have >>>>>> to look at your ID to see it. I know that the intentions of this are >>>>>> good and in place to prevent voter fraud, but as a blind person, I >>>>>> feel like it pretty much gives me no choice but to find 2 witnesses >>>>>> to >>>>>> sign my ballot and varify my signature, and I think that is unfair >>>>>> since a sighted person can fill out their ballot independently and >>>>>> forego the long precinct lines since they are located far and few >>>>>> between due to the mailed-out ballots being the primary method used >>>>>> for voting. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm sure the membership committee will look at all of this >>>>>> information >>>>>> and decide if this call is a good idea, which I think we will, and we >>>>>> will work to find appropriate people to conduct the call. Thanks so >>>>>> much for the information. It was really great to read. >>>>>> >>>>>> And, I go by Cindy so that's fine. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cindy >>>>>> >>>>>> On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: >>>>>> > This website is very informative. The following link takes you to >>>>>> > a >>>>>> > page >>>>>> > where they have links to several laws relevant to people with >>>>>> disabilities. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > http://www.section508.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=Laws >>>>>> > >>>>>> > In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>>>> > ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> >> Heh, I mean Cynthia, sorry! >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>>>> >> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca >>>>>> >> wrote: >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >>> I'm excited to see that other people support the idea of getting >>>>>> >>> involved >>>>>> >>> but sad to admit that it's a problem. >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> My story is this: In 2008, I went for early voting at one of the >>>>>> >>> designated places in Nashville. When it was my turn, they >>>>>> >>> designated >>>>>> >>> a >>>>>> >>> polling machine to me. Before I began the process, I asked about >>>>>> >>> assisted >>>>>> >>> voting. Maybe I should have asked about accessible polling >>>>>> >>> machines? >>>>>> >>> Anyway, he just said he'd have to help me and that was the only >>>>>> >>> option >>>>>> >>> I >>>>>> >>> had. I turned him down and went through the process myself (I do >>>>>> >>> have >>>>>> >>> some >>>>>> >>> vision). >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> It seems that the voting issues fall into a few categories: >>>>>> >>> 1) lack of knowledge of rights/responsibilities on behalf of the >>>>>> >>> voter >>>>>> >>> 2) lack of training and knowledge of polling staff >>>>>> >>> 3) lack of a functioning accessible voting machine on site >>>>>> >>> 4) difficult-to-follow tutorials/instructions for the accessible >>>>>> machine >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> For me, numbers 1 and 2 seem to be the biggest problems. How do >>>>>> >>> we >>>>>> >>> get >>>>>> >>> the word out and how do we insure that the people at the polling >>>>>> >>> places >>>>>> >>> are >>>>>> >>> trained and that there is a funcitoning machine available? >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> I like the idea about having demos. Barring that, would it be >>>>>> >>> possible >>>>>> >>> to record a tutorial and post it online? Maybe by someone who >>>>>> >>> has >>>>>> >>> used >>>>>> >>> it >>>>>> >>> recently? I've heard that the tutorial provided at the polling >>>>>> >>> place >>>>>> is >>>>>> >>> often not straightforward or easy to follow and that a blind user >>>>>> >>> could >>>>>> >>> do >>>>>> >>> a better job haha >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> I think we should at the very least inform people of their >>>>>> >>> rights. >>>>>> >>> I >>>>>> >>> think finding the federal law wouldn't be too hard, but some >>>>>> >>> rules >>>>>> >>> vary >>>>>> >>> state by state. I'm having trouble tracking down the information >>>>>> >>> for >>>>>> >>> TN, >>>>>> >>> for example. Anyway, here is the federal law (I think). >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> *Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act* >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> The Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act of >>>>>> >>> 1984 >>>>>> >>> generally requires polling places across the United States to be >>>>>> >>> physically >>>>>> >>> accessible to people with disabilities for federal elections. >>>>>> >>> Where >>>>>> >>> no >>>>>> >>> accessible location is available to serve as a polling place, a >>>>>> >>> political >>>>>> >>> subdivision must provide an alternate means of casting a ballot >>>>>> >>> on >>>>>> >>> the >>>>>> >>> day >>>>>> >>> of the election. This law also requires states to make available >>>>>> >>> registration and voting aids for disabled and elderly voters, >>>>>> >>> including >>>>>> >>> information by TTYs (also known as TDDs) or similar devices. For >>>>>> >>> more >>>>>> >>> information, contact: >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> U.S. Department of Justice >>>>>> >>> Civil Rights Division >>>>>> >>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >>>>>> >>> Voting Section - 1800 G >>>>>> >>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> *National Voter Registration Act* >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> The National Voter Registration Act of 1993, also known as the >>>>>> >>> "Motor >>>>>> >>> Voter Act," makes it easier for all Americans to exercise their >>>>>> >>> fundamental >>>>>> >>> right to vote. One of the basic purposes of the Act is to >>>>>> >>> increase >>>>>> >>> the >>>>>> >>> historically low registration rates of minorities and persons >>>>>> >>> with >>>>>> >>> disabilities that have resulted from discrimination. The Motor >>>>>> >>> Voter >>>>>> Act >>>>>> >>> requires all offices of State-funded programs that are primarily >>>>>> engaged >>>>>> >>> in >>>>>> >>> providing services to persons with disabilities to provide all >>>>>> >>> program >>>>>> >>> applicants with voter registration forms, to assist them in >>>>>> >>> completing >>>>>> >>> the >>>>>> >>> forms, and to transmit completed forms to the appropriate State >>>>>> >>> official. >>>>>> >>> For more information, contact: >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> U.S. Department of Justice >>>>>> >>> Civil Rights Division >>>>>> >>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >>>>>> >>> Voting Section - 1800 G >>>>>> >>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> www.usdoj.gov/crt/voting >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY) >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> It seems that the NFB has a lot of lawyers. Is it possible for >>>>>> >>> us >>>>>> >>> to >>>>>> >>> get >>>>>> >>> someone trained in law to help us with this one? >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Here is another good resource, the Department of Justice: >>>>>> >>> http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/drs/ >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> One question I have is, why aren't ALL voting machines >>>>>> >>> accessible? >>>>>> >>> It >>>>>> >>> seems like this is more of a software issue. Would it not be >>>>>> >>> possible >>>>>> >>> to >>>>>> >>> write accessible software to be used on all machines? >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> One other thing is that we should encourage people to file a >>>>>> >>> complaint >>>>>> >>> if >>>>>> >>> they have these aforementioned problems this year and in the >>>>>> >>> future. >>>>>> We >>>>>> >>> (the NFB) should provide information on that, as well. >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> While I think this is a concern for the whole NFB on a national >>>>>> >>> level, >>>>>> I >>>>>> >>> think as students, we are in a good spot to target new voters and >>>>>> >>> college >>>>>> >>> students who have not voted before. Maybe we could draft a >>>>>> >>> brochure >>>>>> >>> about >>>>>> >>> rights and responsibilities and general information (maybe even >>>>>> >>> for >>>>>> >>> people >>>>>> >>> who aren't blind but are disabled?) and make sure it gets >>>>>> >>> distributed >>>>>> at >>>>>> >>> voter registration drives going on campus. >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Cindy also makes a good point about getting to the voting place. >>>>>> >>> Also, >>>>>> >>> this will become even more difficult in many states that require >>>>>> >>> valid >>>>>> >>> state IDs (like TN, AL, AR, etc.). How should we deal with this? >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared >>>>>> >>> mind. >>>>>> >>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Cynthia Bennett >>>>>> >>> wrote: >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>> Stephanie: >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> That is a great idea. I had a similar experience as Josh as I >>>>>> >>>> voted >>>>>> >>>> in >>>>>> >>>> my first election. They were the 2008 primaries, and I was very >>>>>> >>>> excited. When the machine did not work, I asked a poll worker to >>>>>> >>>> assist me. They filled in the ballot as I wished, but the worker >>>>>> >>>> did >>>>>> >>>> make some comments about their preference on a politician. This >>>>>> >>>> occured when I said that I did not want to vote for a particular >>>>>> >>>> office, because I was unfamiliar with any of the candidates. I >>>>>> >>>> said >>>>>> >>>> something like, "I don't want to fill in anything for this," and >>>>>> >>>> the >>>>>> >>>> worker responded with "Oh, I heard that ___ is pretty good. Do >>>>>> >>>> you >>>>>> >>>> want me to fill in his/her name?" I chose to still not vote for >>>>>> >>>> that >>>>>> >>>> particular office. This practice is illegal, and I chose not to >>>>>> >>>> say >>>>>> >>>> anything about it. But I do think that an informational call >>>>>> >>>> about >>>>>> >>>> rights and accessible voting machines would be awesome. >>>>>> >>>> Unfortunately, >>>>>> >>>> each state is a little different, but information about federal >>>>>> >>>> mandates on the presence of accessible voting machines/rights >>>>>> >>>> and >>>>>> >>>> some >>>>>> >>>> typical patterns in accessible voting in states would be great. >>>>>> >>>> For >>>>>> >>>> example, Washington conducts mail ballots. There are a few >>>>>> >>>> precincts >>>>>> >>>> around town, but if you work in a neighborhood in which it takes >>>>>> >>>> a >>>>>> >>>> while to get to a precinct, you are at a disadvantage as a blind >>>>>> >>>> person. So, you can either take off work and use public >>>>>> >>>> transportation >>>>>> >>>> to navigate to one of the few and very busy precincts and wait >>>>>> >>>> in >>>>>> >>>> a >>>>>> >>>> 3-hour line, or you can find a reader and disclose your voting >>>>>> >>>> preferences. The other animal in this issue is that if you >>>>>> >>>> choose >>>>>> >>>> to >>>>>> >>>> get a reader to fill out your signature does not match the >>>>>> >>>> signature >>>>>> >>>> on your state ID which is kept on file, then your ballot can be >>>>>> >>>> deemed >>>>>> >>>> as false and not counted. As a blind person, I do the best I can >>>>>> >>>> with >>>>>> >>>> my signature, but I do think that even the most ambitious blind >>>>>> >>>> people >>>>>> >>>> are at a disadvantage when having to match a signature, and our >>>>>> >>>> ballots could not be counted, and we may not hear about it, or >>>>>> >>>> we >>>>>> >>>> would learn of it after elections are closed. If we are afraid >>>>>> >>>> that >>>>>> >>>> our signature may not match that of our state ID, then we can >>>>>> >>>> have >>>>>> >>>> 2 >>>>>> >>>> witnesses sign. But that is 2 more people that have to see my >>>>>> >>>> ballot. >>>>>> >>>> I do not think that this practice is common within the states, >>>>>> >>>> and >>>>>> >>>> I >>>>>> >>>> would definitely not like my experience to dominate the nature >>>>>> >>>> of >>>>>> >>>> the >>>>>> >>>> call, but I wanted to relay it to show that I think this is a >>>>>> >>>> very >>>>>> >>>> good idea. I would personally like some professional/legal >>>>>> >>>> advice/legal suggestions on how this can be changed. >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> So, if you have any suggestions on people to conduct this call, >>>>>> >>>> or >>>>>> >>>> resources for where this information can be found, please share >>>>>> >>>> it. >>>>>> >>>> If >>>>>> >>>> not, the membership committee will certainly take the initiative >>>>>> >>>> to >>>>>> >>>> conduct an informative call if we do in fact decide to pursue >>>>>> >>>> this >>>>>> >>>> topic. But I wanted to make sure that since you made the >>>>>> >>>> suggestion, >>>>>> >>>> you are welcome to provide suggestions on people to conduct the >>>>>> >>>> call. >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> I know that someone comes to each NC state convention with an >>>>>> >>>> accessible voting machine to show in the exhibit hall. During >>>>>> >>>> this >>>>>> >>>> time, people can vote in a fake election and orient themselves >>>>>> >>>> to >>>>>> >>>> the >>>>>> >>>> machine. I am not sure if NC is still doing this since it has >>>>>> >>>> been >>>>>> >>>> a >>>>>> >>>> few years since the accessible machines were introduced, but I >>>>>> >>>> think >>>>>> >>>> there is still a need for outreach about accessible voting. >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> Keep the good membership call suggestions coming! >>>>>> >>>> Cindy >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> On 8/27/12, Joshua Lester >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>> > Hi, Stephanie! >>>>>> >>>> > That's a great idea! >>>>>> >>>> > I went to my voting site, earlier this year, and the machine >>>>>> >>>> > didn't >>>>>> >>>> work. >>>>>> >>>> > My Disability Rights person that works for the governor, here >>>>>> >>>> > said >>>>>> >>>> he'd come >>>>>> >>>> > down, to show them how to work it, but he never showed up! >>>>>> >>>> > Thanks, Joshua >>>>>> >>>> > ________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on >>>>>> behalf >>>>>> >>>> of >>>>>> >>>> > Stephanie DeLuca [sjhhirst at gmail.com] >>>>>> >>>> > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 2:53 PM >>>>>> >>>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> >>>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS Membership Call Survey >>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> > I think a discussion on voting as people with disabilities >>>>>> >>>> > would >>>>>> >>>> > be >>>>>> >>>> good. >>>>>> >>>> > Since a lot of people are on college campuses, it'd be a good >>>>>> >>>> opportunity to >>>>>> >>>> > get involved with informing people with disabilities (mainly >>>>>> >>>> > VI) >>>>>> >>>> > about >>>>>> >>>> > rights and responsibilities for voting. I've been to/worked >>>>>> >>>> > at >>>>>> >>>> > several >>>>>> >>>> > voter registration drives, and I have NEVER seen information >>>>>> >>>> > on >>>>>> >>>> > voting >>>>>> >>>> if >>>>>> >>>> > you have a disability. >>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> > On Aug 27, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Cody Bair >>>>>> >>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> >> Hi All, >>>>>> >>>> >> As you are probably already aware, NABS conducts monthly >>>>>> >>>> >> membership >>>>>> >>>> calls. >>>>>> >>>> >> In order to get this school year started we are currently >>>>>> >>>> >> seeking >>>>>> >>>> >> your >>>>>> >>>> >> input on what topics you would like to see us cover this >>>>>> >>>> >> year. >>>>>> >>>> >> Please >>>>>> >>>> >> either reply directly to this thread with your suggestions or >>>>>> >>>> >> mail >>>>>> >>>> them >>>>>> >>>> >> directly to >>>>>> >>>> >> Nabs.membership at gmail.com >>>>>> >>>> >> Sincerely, >>>>>> >>>> >> The NABS membership Committee >>>>>> >>>> >> >>>>>> >>>> >> >>>>>> >>>> >> 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http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com > From ben.j.bloomgren at gmail.com Thu Aug 30 05:38:40 2012 From: ben.j.bloomgren at gmail.com (Ben J Bloomgren) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 22:38:40 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Taking a Course in Chinese In-Reply-To: <00ac01cd858d$32828570$97879050$@gmail.com> References: <00ac01cd858d$32828570$97879050$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <971A4379-79D9-45A0-9C73-123D762D6880@gmail.com> Hanna, That's why I wrote my initial message to you. I fear that you're going into this giant's backyard in ignorance. Please know that I am not flaming you by any means. I'm not even trying to sound rude, but I don't want you to run into a buzz saw in class when they're studying Chinese characters while you're wondering about an "alphabet." Chinese does not have an alphabet in the same way in which English does. The characters express words or parts of words, and their meaning and pronunciation must be learned from memory. I'm not trying to scare you off, but it takes the average native-born Chinese student upwards of five years to master the system. There is Pinyin, which is a way to write Mandarin Chinese in regular letters, but that's not how the Chinese public does things. Again, please know that I'm not attempting to start a flame war. I probably sound very arrogant and rude, but I'm just trying to get you to the best experience possible with this tiger of a group of languages. If you wish to email me off list, please do so: bbloomgren at me.com or on twitter at http://twitter.com/blindbirder Sincerely, Ben On Aug 28, 2012, at 7:22 PM, "Hannah Chadwick" wrote: > Hi all, > Thank you for the info. I'm not interested in learning all the millions of > characters but rather the Chinese alphabe. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Chun Chao > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:34 PM > To: blind-international-students at nfbnet.org > Cc: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Taking a Course in Chinese > > Hello Blind International Students: > > The following is a message that was circulated on the National Association > of Blind Students (NABS) list regarding the use of Braille with foreign > languages. > If anyone has any information to contribute to this thread, please send all > responses directly to NABS at mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > Sincerely, > C.C. Alan > > On Aug 28, 2012, at 0:48, "Hannah Chadwick" > wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > My name is Hannah Chadwick, and I'm attending UC Davis this fall. I'm > planning on double majoring in international relations and linguistics with > a minor in journalism. I love learning new languages, and will be taking a > Chinese class. I took Spanish for 2 years in high school and I was able to > use my BrailleNote for that, but I'm not sure that doing my Chinese work on > the Apex will be the best idea since the alphabet will be completely > different. > > Has anyone taken a Chinese course before? If so, what did you do in terms of > writing the Chinese alphabet? Are there software out to that would read the > language? > > Best, Hannah > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.co > m > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sparklylicious%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ben.j.bloomgren%40gmail.com From nabs.president at gmail.com Thu Aug 30 15:29:19 2012 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (nabs.president at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 11:29:19 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Brown, Goldstein & Levy 2013 Disability Rights Fellowship In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01f101cd86c4$39c7f490$ad57ddb0$@gmail.com> Please see below for a great opportunity for any graduating law students or young lawyers interested in disability law: In September 2009, Brown, Goldstein & Levy, LLP welcomed its first disability rights fellow. We are now accepting applications for our fifth annual Disability Rights Fellowship to begin in September 2013. The Fellowship offers a recent law school graduate or judicial clerk with a disability the opportunity to participate for a year in all phases of disability rights litigation at our firm in Baltimore, Maryland. Brown, Goldstein & Levy is a 16-lawyer law firm devoted principally to litigation. The firm has developed a national reputation for its high-profile, high-impact disability rights cases. Information about Brown, Goldstein & Levy, including our past and present work, is available at www.browngold.com. The Fellowship is available to law school graduates with a disability and zero to three years of legal experience. The term of the Fellowship is one year (September 3, 2013 - August 29, 2014). Salary and benefits will be commensurate with the salaries paid and benefits provided to non-Fellowship Brown, Goldstein & Levy attorneys of equivalent experience and qualifications. The firm offers health insurance, group life insurance, and group disability insurance. The Fellow should be a member of a state bar or be planning to obtain admittance to a state bar. Applicants must have strong academic credentials, excellent writing skills, and a demonstrated commitment to disability rights. 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Name: fellowship_brochure.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 1054830 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sparklylicious at gmail.com Thu Aug 30 16:11:40 2012 From: sparklylicious at gmail.com (Hannah Chadwick) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 09:11:40 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Taking a Course in Chinese In-Reply-To: <971A4379-79D9-45A0-9C73-123D762D6880@gmail.com> References: <00ac01cd858d$32828570$97879050$@gmail.com> <971A4379-79D9-45A0-9C73-123D762D6880@gmail.com> Message-ID: <004801cd86ca$24742680$6d5c7380$@gmail.com> Benn, Thank you for the insight. Best, Hannah -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ben J Bloomgren Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 10:39 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Taking a Course in Chinese Hanna, That's why I wrote my initial message to you. I fear that you're going into this giant's backyard in ignorance. Please know that I am not flaming you by any means. I'm not even trying to sound rude, but I don't want you to run into a buzz saw in class when they're studying Chinese characters while you're wondering about an "alphabet." Chinese does not have an alphabet in the same way in which English does. The characters express words or parts of words, and their meaning and pronunciation must be learned from memory. I'm not trying to scare you off, but it takes the average native-born Chinese student upwards of five years to master the system. There is Pinyin, which is a way to write Mandarin Chinese in regular letters, but that's not how the Chinese public does things. Again, please know that I'm not attempting to start a flame war. I probably sound very arrogant and rude, but I'm just trying to get you to the best experience possible with this tiger of a group of languages. If you wish to email me off list, please do so: bbloomgren at me.com or on twitter at http://twitter.com/blindbirder Sincerely, Ben On Aug 28, 2012, at 7:22 PM, "Hannah Chadwick" wrote: > Hi all, > Thank you for the info. I'm not interested in learning all the > millions of characters but rather the Chinese alphabe. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Chun Chao > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:34 PM > To: blind-international-students at nfbnet.org > Cc: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Taking a Course in Chinese > > Hello Blind International Students: > > The following is a message that was circulated on the National > Association of Blind Students (NABS) list regarding the use of Braille > with foreign languages. > If anyone has any information to contribute to this thread, please > send all responses directly to NABS at mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > Sincerely, > C.C. Alan > > On Aug 28, 2012, at 0:48, "Hannah Chadwick" > wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > My name is Hannah Chadwick, and I'm attending UC Davis this fall. I'm > planning on double majoring in international relations and linguistics > with a minor in journalism. I love learning new languages, and will be > taking a Chinese class. I took Spanish for 2 years in high school and > I was able to use my BrailleNote for that, but I'm not sure that doing > my Chinese work on the Apex will be the best idea since the alphabet > will be completely different. > > Has anyone taken a Chinese course before? If so, what did you do in > terms of writing the Chinese alphabet? Are there software out to that > would read the language? > > Best, Hannah > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gm > ail.co > m > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sparklylicious%40g > mail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ben.j.bloomgren%40 > gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sparklylicious%40gmail.c om From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Aug 30 17:22:21 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 13:22:21 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] blackboard issues Message-ID: <1D01A23120654BC2BC0C23FD13CAC2FD@OwnerPC> Hi all, Well, my classes use blackboard. My professor for pr has posted most handouts which would help me because I got the paper copy in class but need an electronic copy. But, the problem is this. I go to blackboard and click the class, click course documents, and then cannot click on the file link to open and download the file. Gee. Anyone have this issue? I thought it was just this professor, but then I realized it happened for my second class too! I press enter wich is the key for clicking usually. I then tried the application key, which is a right click, and still nothing. I am meerly taken to another screen with the same info. Any ideas? I’ll ask a sighted person to try and see if the same issue comes up with the mouse. But as far as I can tell, I cannot open these files with the keyboard. Note, I could last semester using the method I just described, by either pressing enter or right clicking on the document. FYI, I have windows 7 and internet explorer with jaws 13. Any ideas. thanks. Ashley From joshkart12 at gmail.com Thu Aug 30 18:08:26 2012 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (josh gregory) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 14:08:26 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] blackboard issues In-Reply-To: <1D01A23120654BC2BC0C23FD13CAC2FD@OwnerPC> References: <1D01A23120654BC2BC0C23FD13CAC2FD@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hmmm... the version may have been updated since then. What about using NVDA with Firefox? On 8/30/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi all, > > Well, my classes use blackboard. My professor for pr has posted most > handouts which would help me because I got the paper copy in class but need > an electronic copy. But, the problem is this. I go to blackboard and click > the class, click course documents, and then cannot click on the file link to > open and download the file. Gee. Anyone have this issue? > I thought it was just this professor, but then I realized it happened for my > second class too! I press enter wich is the key for clicking usually. I > then tried the application key, which is a right click, and still nothing. > I am meerly taken to another screen with the same info. > > Any ideas? I’ll ask a sighted person to try and see if the same issue comes > up with the mouse. But as far as I can tell, I cannot open these files with > the keyboard. Note, I could last semester using the method I just described, > by either pressing enter or right clicking on the document. FYI, I have > windows 7 and internet explorer with jaws 13. > > Any ideas. thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com > -- Ways to Connect with me: facebook.com/evercuriousmasteryodo twitter.com/joshg93 Skype: joshgregory93 FaceTime, iMessage and iChat: joshkart12 at gmail.com From Zunaira.Wasif at dbs.fldoe.org Thu Aug 30 21:09:16 2012 From: Zunaira.Wasif at dbs.fldoe.org (Wasif, Zunaira) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 17:09:16 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] blackboard issues In-Reply-To: <1D01A23120654BC2BC0C23FD13CAC2FD@OwnerPC> References: <1D01A23120654BC2BC0C23FD13CAC2FD@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <2D01309C2F5D5C4C93CC5DE084807DF207817CB1@DBSSOEXCHANGE.fldbs.net> Supposedly, System access works really well with blackboard while JAWS is problematic. I heard this info second hand. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 1:22 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] blackboard issues Hi all, Well, my classes use blackboard. My professor for pr has posted most handouts which would help me because I got the paper copy in class but need an electronic copy. But, the problem is this. I go to blackboard and click the class, click course documents, and then cannot click on the file link to open and download the file. Gee. Anyone have this issue? I thought it was just this professor, but then I realized it happened for my second class too! I press enter wich is the key for clicking usually. I then tried the application key, which is a right click, and still nothing. I am meerly taken to another screen with the same info. Any ideas? I’ll ask a sighted person to try and see if the same issue comes up with the mouse. But as far as I can tell, I cannot open these files with the keyboard. Note, I could last semester using the method I just described, by either pressing enter or right clicking on the document. FYI, I have windows 7 and internet explorer with jaws 13. Any ideas. thanks. Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%40dbs.fldoe.org From tmbratcher1999 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 30 21:42:59 2012 From: tmbratcher1999 at yahoo.com (Tyron Bratcher) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 14:42:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] ID Cards In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1346362979.87740.YahooMailClassic@web126002.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> As far as ID's go, there are some things that you really do need to have a state ID or some other kind of official government issued ID with your picture on it in order to do --- On Thu, 8/30/12, nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org wrote: From: nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org Subject: nabs-l Digest, Vol 70, Issue 41 To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date: Thursday, August 30, 2012, 11:29 AM Send nabs-l mailing list submissions to     nabs-l at nfbnet.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit     http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to     nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org You can reach the person managing the list at     nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of nabs-l digest..." Today's Topics:    1. Re: turnitin.com (Zach)    2. Re: turnitin.com (Nathan Clark)    3. Re: Taking notes with a laptop when reading textbooks       (Danielle Sykora)    4. Re: ID's and Voting (Arielle Silverman)    5. ID cards (Beth)    6. Re: ID cards (Arielle Silverman)    7. Re: ID cards (Beth)    8. Re: ID cards (Ashley Bramlett)    9. Re: ID cards (Beth)   10. Re: ID's and Voting (Desiree Oudinot)   11. Re: Taking a Course in Chinese (Ben J Bloomgren)   12. FW: Brown,    Goldstein & Levy 2013 Disability Rights Fellowship       (nabs.president at gmail.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 12:32:58 -0600 From: "Zach" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"     Subject: Re: [nabs-l] turnitin.com Message-ID: <5BFEF93116A945F5BD54B879D563265F at ZachlaptopPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";     reply-type=response I have used this and it is somewhat accessible. Am using it now for freshman college literature. Zach Griego-Dreicer Email: zach2012 at chickerland.com Skype and Twitter: Chickerland Facebook profile: http://www.facebook.com/chickerland or find me using this email address. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 5:12 PM To: NFB NABS list Cc: jsotwel at carrollk12.org Subject: [nabs-l] turnitin.com Hi everyone, Today was our first day of classes, and my English/Freshman Seminar teacher informed us today that she uses the Web site TurnItIn.com to turn in certain assignments, particularly long-term projects and essays.  Has anybody on this list used this Web site to turn in work to your teachers? If so, how accessible is it with JAWS? If it is accessible, how do I use this site with JAWS to turn in work? By the way, in the event that this Web site is inaccessible, I've already talked with my teacher and she gave me permission to email projects usually turned in on turnitin.com to her. Thanks in advance, Chris _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zach2012%40chickerland.com ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 16:47:33 -0400 From: Nathan Clark To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list     Subject: Re: [nabs-l] turnitin.com Message-ID:     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dear Chris, At Carroll Community College, Turnit in is a mandatory site to be used by all teachers and departments. So to answer your question I have used it but it isn't all that great of a site for Jaws users. Sincerely, Nathan Clark PS: how is high school mister Chris? On 8/29/12, Zach wrote: > I have used this and it is somewhat accessible. Am using it now for freshman > > college literature. > > > > Zach Griego-Dreicer > Email: zach2012 at chickerland.com > Skype and Twitter: Chickerland > Facebook profile: http://www.facebook.com/chickerland or find me using this > > email address. > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 5:12 PM > To: NFB NABS list > Cc: jsotwel at carrollk12.org > Subject: [nabs-l] turnitin.com > > Hi everyone, > > Today was our first day of classes, and my English/Freshman > Seminar teacher informed us today that she uses the Web site > TurnItIn.com to turn in certain assignments, particularly > long-term projects and essays.  Has anybody on this list used > this Web site to turn in work to your teachers? If so, how > accessible is it with JAWS? If it is accessible, how do I use > this site with JAWS to turn in work? By the way, in the event > that this Web site is inaccessible, I've already talked with my > teacher and she gave me permission to email projects usually > turned in on turnitin.com to her. > > Thanks in advance, > > Chris > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zach2012%40chickerland.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark%40gmail.com > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 18:15:47 -0400 From: Danielle Sykora To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list     Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Taking notes with a laptop when reading     textbooks Message-ID:     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 If your textbooks are on your computer, it would probably be better to keep your notes in a separate document and alt tab between them. It is easier to review notes when they are in a separate file. Hope this helps, Danielle On 8/29/12, Lavonya Gardner wrote: > How do u take notes on your iPhone? I have an iPad, and I think they may > work close to the same way. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Aug 28, 2012, at 20:22, Marsha Drenth wrote: > >> Angie, >> >> assuming your textbooks are on the computer or the victore stream. I might >> use your Iphone to take the notes, or vice versa. Too bad to hear about >> your Apex. My troubles lie in my laptop crashed and burned a few weeks >> ago. So classes started and I have no laptop, but have my apex and my >> Iphone. >> >> Hope this works for you, >> Marsha >> >> Marsha drenthSent from my iPhone >> >> On Aug 28, 2012, at 8:15 PM, "Anjelina" wrote: >> >>> Good evening all, >>> >>> I hope the start of the semester is going smoothly. Last week my old way >>> of >>> taking notes broke down. This may be a basic question but I'm wanting >>> feedback how y'all take notes on a laptop. >>> >>> My Apex will be going to Humanware for a repair. Since I only have a >>> laptop >>> to take notes, what are some effective strategies you have used to read >>> texts as well as take notes? >>> >>> Do you alt tab from your document window to the text and write notes, or >>> do >>> you write in your file of the textbook? >>> >>> Thanks for any input. >>> >>> >>> >>> Anjelina >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40gmail.com > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 17:25:35 -0600 From: Arielle Silverman To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list     Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ID's and Voting Message-ID:     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Even if they need eye color on your ID card, couldn't they just ask you what color your eyes are and put that down? That's what they did for my height and weight. Arielle On 8/28/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Desiree, > That is a good question for the DMV. Call and ask. My guess is if you renew > > online, they will use your existing photo they have on file. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Desiree Oudinot > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 5:06 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ID's and Voting > > Hi, > So, if you can renew your ID online, how do they get an updated > picture? I've heard of people not having a picture on their ID for > religious reasons, but I'm certainly not interested in that because it > just seems like from all I've heard and what I think personally, no > one would take an ID without a picture on it seriously. It would be > extremely easy to forge. No offense to people who choose not to have a > picture on their ID for whatever reason, it's just not something I > would do myself. So how does that work? My mom said that if I renew > online, what will probably happen is they'll send something in the > mail which says the ID isn't expired, and I'll have 60 days to go to > the DMV to have my picture taken. Is that true? > > On 8/28/12, Justin Young wrote: >> I know you don't necessarily have to go to the DMV to renew your ID. >> When it came time for me to renew mine, they just sent a form in the >> mail and I checked a box(Driver or Non-Driver).  They both had a >> length they were good for and a fee it cost to purchase them.  Using a >> CCTV I filled out the form rather quickly.  If one doesn't have enough >> vision for that, then I guess the only other way would to have sighted >> assistance.  I would say though if the picture you wish to change, >> then to my knowledge you have to go to the DMV.  Hope this helps >> >> On 8/28/12, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: >>> Hello, >>> The way I write my signature is Place my finger on the line, place my >>> pen >>> next to my finger, lift my finger, ask someone if the pen is in the >>> right >>> place and agust to what they say, then if I can I place my finger back >>> on >>> the paper and then I write my signature strait from my finger. I have a >>> signature that doesn't need me to lift my pen from the paper, so that is >>> really good. I also just use my first name as my signature only. (I'm >>> not >>> sure if people know this, but your signature doesn't need to be your >>> name, >>> it can be a star or a picture of some kind). I've been told that my >>> signature is super hard to copy and it is still readable. I use a >>> mixture >>> of >>> >>> cursive and the typical letters. I sat down with my living skills >>> instructor >>> >>> one day and we experimented with signatures and found the thing that >>> would >>> be the fastest, most readable and the best reproducible, so that is what >>> I >>> now use. Also, I only write capitals, because they are the easiest to >>> write >>> >>> for me. >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Brandon Keith Biggs >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Arielle Silverman >>> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 10:15 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] ID's and Voting >>> >>> Hi all, >>> I think it is fair for a blind person to need to get a state ID card >>> or non-driving license. Going to the DMV sucks but it sucks for >>> sighted people too. Having some kind of legal identification is just >>> part of living in this country as an adult and enables us to >>> participate in all the same activities as those with drivers' >>> licenses, including flying on airplanes and passing the age test to >>> buy alcohol (I don't think student ID is acceptable for either of >>> these things, whether you are sighted or blind). I do, however, agree >>> that requiring a blind person to give a signature that matches one on >>> file is probably unfair even if it is not intended to be >>> discriminatory. A blind person could get around this by signing with a >>> stamp, though I'm not sure how long those last. >>> Arielle >>> On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: >>>> Hm my main concern with the IDs is that people have to get to the DMV >>>> somehow.  In places like Nashville, that's not exactly straightforward. >>>> I >>>> guess they could take a cab?  It just sucks because, I think before, >>>> people >>>> could just use a student ID (speaking about our own age group).  Now, >>>> the >>>> states have made it more difficult than it already was. >>>> >>>> Rhode Island has an interesting approach to this (and someone correct >>>> me >>>> if >>>> I'm wrong).  If you don't have a state ID on you at the polling place, >>>> you >>>> can sign an affidavit of identity, which basically just certifies that >>>> you >>>> are who you say you are.  I like this idea (well, except for the whole >>>> signature thing, which I had never thought about). >>>> >>>> http://www.ncsl.org/legislatures-elections/elections/voter-id.aspx >>>> >>>> >>>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>>     ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Cynthia Bennett >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Stephanie: >>>>> >>>>> This is great informaition. Thanks for going so much in depth. >>>>> >>>>> The ID issue is the easiest. I don't know of a state that doesn't >>>>> offer a nondriving photo ID. This can be obtained wherever you would >>>>> go to get your driver's license. It looks just like and contains all >>>>> of the information that a driver's license contains. It is a >>>>> legitimate form of ID. I had no problems at the precincts in NC when I >>>>> showed my photo ID. >>>>> >>>>> Where ID's relate to my concern is that when you get your ID, you have >>>>> to sign the bottom. The DMV that I went to had an electronic pad that >>>>> you sign with a stylus. I typically like to place a finger down on a >>>>> paper to orient myself before I write my signature. But touching the >>>>> electronic pad made a finger print. After a few unsuccessful tries, >>>>> the agent gave me an index card, and they elected to process my >>>>> signature the old way. This was helpful, but even though I have been >>>>> signing my name since I was 7, I really don't have any way of knowing >>>>> if I have signed my name exactly the way it looks on my state ID; this >>>>> signature is kept on file with the state so they don't actually have >>>>> to look at your ID to see it. I know that the intentions of this are >>>>> good and in place to prevent voter fraud, but as a blind person, I >>>>> feel like it pretty much gives me no choice but to find 2 witnesses to >>>>> sign my ballot and varify my signature, and I think that is unfair >>>>> since a sighted person can fill out their ballot independently and >>>>> forego the long precinct lines since they are located far and few >>>>> between due to the mailed-out ballots being the primary method used >>>>> for voting. >>>>> >>>>> I'm sure the membership committee will look at all of this information >>>>> and decide if this call is a good idea, which I think we will, and we >>>>> will work to find appropriate people to conduct the call. Thanks so >>>>> much for the information. It was really great to read. >>>>> >>>>> And, I go by Cindy so that's fine. >>>>> >>>>> Cindy >>>>> >>>>> On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: >>>>> > This website is very informative.  The following link takes you to a >>>>> > page >>>>> > where they have links to several laws relevant to people with >>>>> disabilities. >>>>> > >>>>> > http://www.section508.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=Laws >>>>> > >>>>> > In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>>> >     ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> >> Heh, I mean Cynthia, sorry! >>>>> >> >>>>> >> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>>> >>     ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca >>>>> >> wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >>> I'm excited to see that other people support the idea of getting >>>>> >>> involved >>>>> >>> but sad to admit that it's a problem. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> My story is this:  In 2008, I went for early voting at one of the >>>>> >>> designated places in Nashville.  When it was my turn, they >>>>> >>> designated >>>>> >>> a >>>>> >>> polling machine to me.  Before I began the process, I asked about >>>>> >>> assisted >>>>> >>> voting.  Maybe I should have asked about accessible polling >>>>> >>> machines? >>>>> >>>  Anyway, he just said he'd have to help me and that was the only >>>>> >>> option >>>>> >>> I >>>>> >>> had.  I turned him down and went through the process myself (I do >>>>> >>> have >>>>> >>> some >>>>> >>> vision). >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> It seems that the voting issues fall into a few categories: >>>>> >>> 1) lack of knowledge of rights/responsibilities on behalf of the >>>>> >>> voter >>>>> >>> 2) lack of training and knowledge of polling staff >>>>> >>> 3) lack of a functioning accessible voting machine on site >>>>> >>> 4) difficult-to-follow tutorials/instructions for the accessible >>>>> machine >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> For me, numbers 1 and 2 seem to be the biggest problems.  How do >>>>> >>> we >>>>> >>> get >>>>> >>> the word out and how do we insure that the people at the polling >>>>> >>> places >>>>> >>> are >>>>> >>> trained and that there is a funcitoning machine available? >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> I like the idea about having demos.  Barring that, would it be >>>>> >>> possible >>>>> >>> to record a tutorial and post it online?  Maybe by someone who has >>>>> >>> used >>>>> >>> it >>>>> >>> recently?  I've heard that the tutorial provided at the polling >>>>> >>> place >>>>> is >>>>> >>> often not straightforward or easy to follow and that a blind user >>>>> >>> could >>>>> >>> do >>>>> >>> a better job haha >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> I think we should at the very least inform people of their rights. >>>>> >>> I >>>>> >>> think finding the federal law wouldn't be too hard, but some rules >>>>> >>> vary >>>>> >>> state by state.  I'm having trouble tracking down the information >>>>> >>> for >>>>> >>> TN, >>>>> >>> for example.  Anyway, here is the federal law (I think). >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> *Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act* >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> The Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act of >>>>> >>> 1984 >>>>> >>> generally requires polling places across the United States to be >>>>> >>> physically >>>>> >>> accessible to people with disabilities for federal elections. >>>>> >>> Where >>>>> >>> no >>>>> >>> accessible location is available to serve as a polling place, a >>>>> >>> political >>>>> >>> subdivision must provide an alternate means of casting a ballot on >>>>> >>> the >>>>> >>> day >>>>> >>> of the election. This law also requires states to make available >>>>> >>> registration and voting aids for disabled and elderly voters, >>>>> >>> including >>>>> >>> information by TTYs (also known as TDDs) or similar devices. For >>>>> >>> more >>>>> >>> information, contact: >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> U.S. Department of Justice >>>>> >>> Civil Rights Division >>>>> >>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >>>>> >>> Voting Section - 1800 G >>>>> >>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>>  (8... (voice/TTY) >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> *National Voter Registration Act* >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> The National Voter Registration Act of 1993, also known as the >>>>> >>> "Motor >>>>> >>> Voter Act," makes it easier for all Americans to exercise their >>>>> >>> fundamental >>>>> >>> right to vote. One of the basic purposes of the Act is to increase >>>>> >>> the >>>>> >>> historically low registration rates of minorities and persons with >>>>> >>> disabilities that have resulted from discrimination. The Motor >>>>> >>> Voter >>>>> Act >>>>> >>> requires all offices of State-funded programs that are primarily >>>>> engaged >>>>> >>> in >>>>> >>> providing services to persons with disabilities to provide all >>>>> >>> program >>>>> >>> applicants with voter registration forms, to assist them in >>>>> >>> completing >>>>> >>> the >>>>> >>> forms, and to transmit completed forms to the appropriate State >>>>> >>> official. >>>>> >>> For more information, contact: >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> U.S. Department of Justice >>>>> >>> Civil Rights Division >>>>> >>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >>>>> >>> Voting Section - 1800 G >>>>> >>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> www.usdoj.gov/crt/voting >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>>  (800) 253-3931  (voice/TTY) >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> It seems that the NFB has a lot of lawyers.  Is it possible for us >>>>> >>> to >>>>> >>> get >>>>> >>> someone trained in law to help us with this one? >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Here is another good resource, the Department of Justice: >>>>> >>> http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/drs/ >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> One question I have is, why aren't ALL voting machines accessible? >>>>> >>> It >>>>> >>> seems like this is more of a software issue.  Would it not be >>>>> >>> possible >>>>> >>> to >>>>> >>> write accessible software to be used on all machines? >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> One other thing is that we should encourage people to file a >>>>> >>> complaint >>>>> >>> if >>>>> >>> they have these aforementioned problems this year and in the >>>>> >>> future. >>>>>  We >>>>> >>> (the NFB) should provide information on that, as well. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> While I think this is a concern for the whole NFB on a national >>>>> >>> level, >>>>> I >>>>> >>> think as students, we are in a good spot to target new voters and >>>>> >>> college >>>>> >>> students who have not voted before.  Maybe we could draft a >>>>> >>> brochure >>>>> >>> about >>>>> >>> rights and responsibilities and general information (maybe even >>>>> >>> for >>>>> >>> people >>>>> >>> who aren't blind but are disabled?) and make sure it gets >>>>> >>> distributed >>>>> at >>>>> >>> voter registration drives going on campus. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Cindy also makes a good point about getting to the voting place. >>>>> >>> Also, >>>>> >>> this will become even more difficult in many states that require >>>>> >>> valid >>>>> >>> state IDs (like TN, AL, AR, etc.).  How should we deal with this? >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>>> >>>     ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Cynthia Bennett >>>>> >>> wrote: >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>>> Stephanie: >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> That is a great idea. I had a similar experience as Josh as I >>>>> >>>> voted >>>>> >>>> in >>>>> >>>> my first election. They were the 2008 primaries, and I was very >>>>> >>>> excited. When the machine did not work, I asked a poll worker to >>>>> >>>> assist me. They filled in the ballot as I wished, but the worker >>>>> >>>> did >>>>> >>>> make some comments about their preference on a politician. This >>>>> >>>> occured when I said that I did not want to vote for a particular >>>>> >>>> office, because I was unfamiliar with any of the candidates. I >>>>> >>>> said >>>>> >>>> something like, "I don't want to fill in anything for this," and >>>>> >>>> the >>>>> >>>> worker responded with "Oh, I heard that ___ is pretty good. Do >>>>> >>>> you >>>>> >>>> want me to fill in his/her name?" I chose to still not vote for >>>>> >>>> that >>>>> >>>> particular office. This practice is illegal, and I chose not to >>>>> >>>> say >>>>> >>>> anything about it. But I do think that an informational call >>>>> >>>> about >>>>> >>>> rights and accessible voting machines would be awesome. >>>>> >>>> Unfortunately, >>>>> >>>> each state is a little different, but information about federal >>>>> >>>> mandates on the presence of accessible voting machines/rights and >>>>> >>>> some >>>>> >>>> typical patterns in accessible voting in states would be great. >>>>> >>>> For >>>>> >>>> example, Washington conducts mail ballots. There are a few >>>>> >>>> precincts >>>>> >>>> around town, but if you work in a neighborhood in which it takes >>>>> >>>> a >>>>> >>>> while to get to a precinct, you are at a disadvantage as a blind >>>>> >>>> person. So, you can either take off work and use public >>>>> >>>> transportation >>>>> >>>> to navigate to one of the few and very busy precincts and wait in >>>>> >>>> a >>>>> >>>> 3-hour line, or you can find a reader and disclose your voting >>>>> >>>> preferences. The other animal in this issue is that if you choose >>>>> >>>> to >>>>> >>>> get a reader to fill out your signature does not match the >>>>> >>>> signature >>>>> >>>> on your state ID which is kept on file, then your ballot can be >>>>> >>>> deemed >>>>> >>>> as false and not counted. As a blind person, I do the best I can >>>>> >>>> with >>>>> >>>> my signature, but I do think that even the most ambitious blind >>>>> >>>> people >>>>> >>>> are at a disadvantage when having to match a signature, and our >>>>> >>>> ballots could not be counted, and we may not hear about it, or we >>>>> >>>> would learn of it after elections are closed. If we are afraid >>>>> >>>> that >>>>> >>>> our signature may not match that of our state ID, then we can >>>>> >>>> have >>>>> >>>> 2 >>>>> >>>> witnesses sign. But that is 2 more people that have to see my >>>>> >>>> ballot. >>>>> >>>> I do not think that this practice is common within the states, >>>>> >>>> and >>>>> >>>> I >>>>> >>>> would definitely not like my experience to dominate the nature of >>>>> >>>> the >>>>> >>>> call, but I wanted to relay it to show that I think this is a >>>>> >>>> very >>>>> >>>> good idea. I would personally like some professional/legal >>>>> >>>> advice/legal suggestions on how this can be changed. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> So, if you have any suggestions on people to conduct this call, >>>>> >>>> or >>>>> >>>> resources for where this information can be found, please share >>>>> >>>> it. >>>>> >>>> If >>>>> >>>> not, the membership committee will certainly take the initiative >>>>> >>>> to >>>>> >>>> conduct an informative call if we do in fact decide to pursue >>>>> >>>> this >>>>> >>>> topic. But I wanted to make sure that since you made the >>>>> >>>> suggestion, >>>>> >>>> you are welcome to provide suggestions on people to conduct the >>>>> >>>> call. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> I know that someone comes to each NC state convention with an >>>>> >>>> accessible voting machine to show in the exhibit hall. During >>>>> >>>> this >>>>> >>>> time, people can vote in a fake election and orient themselves to >>>>> >>>> the >>>>> >>>> machine. I am not sure if NC is still doing this since it has >>>>> >>>> been >>>>> >>>> a >>>>> >>>> few years since the accessible machines were introduced, but I >>>>> >>>> think >>>>> >>>> there is still a need for outreach about accessible voting. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> Keep the good membership call suggestions coming! >>>>> >>>> Cindy >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> On 8/27/12, Joshua Lester >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>> > Hi, Stephanie! >>>>> >>>> > That's a great idea! >>>>> >>>> > I went to my voting site, earlier this year, and the machine >>>>> >>>> > didn't >>>>> >>>> work. >>>>> >>>> > My Disability Rights person that works for the governor, here >>>>> >>>> > said >>>>> >>>> he'd come >>>>> >>>> > down, to show them how to work it, but he never showed up! >>>>> >>>> > Thanks, Joshua >>>>> >>>> > ________________________________________ >>>>> >>>> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on >>>>> behalf >>>>> >>>> of >>>>> >>>> > Stephanie DeLuca [sjhhirst at gmail.com] >>>>> >>>> > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 2:53 PM >>>>> >>>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> >>>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS Membership Call Survey >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>> > I think a discussion on voting as people with disabilities >>>>> >>>> > would >>>>> >>>> > be >>>>> >>>> good. >>>>> >>>> > Since a lot of people are on college campuses, it'd be a good >>>>> >>>> opportunity to >>>>> >>>> > get involved with informing people with disabilities (mainly >>>>> >>>> > VI) >>>>> >>>> > about >>>>> >>>> > rights and responsibilities for voting.  I've been to/worked at >>>>> >>>> > several >>>>> >>>> > voter registration drives, and I have NEVER seen information on >>>>> >>>> > voting >>>>> >>>> if >>>>> >>>> > you have a disability. >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>> > On Aug 27, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Cody Bair >>>>> >>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>> >> Hi All, >>>>> >>>> >> As you are probably already aware, NABS conducts monthly >>>>> >>>> >> membership >>>>> >>>> calls. >>>>> >>>> >> In order to get this school year started we are currently >>>>> >>>> >> seeking >>>>> >>>> >> your >>>>> >>>> >> input on what topics you would like to see us cover this year. >>>>> >>>> >> Please >>>>> >>>> >> either reply directly to this thread with your suggestions or >>>>> >>>> >> mail >>>>> >>>> them >>>>> >>>> >> directly to >>>>> >>>> >> Nabs.membership at gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >> Sincerely, >>>>> >>>> >> The NABS membership Committee >>>>> >>>> >> >>>>> >>>> >> >>>>> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>> >> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> >>>> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>> >>>> >> info >>>>> >>>> >> for >>>>> >>>> >> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>> >> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>> > 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http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 17:42:40 -0600 From: Beth To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] ID cards Message-ID: <503ea913.c998320a.4a3c.64f9 at mx.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Hi, you guys.  On the subject of ID cards and eye color, I have a boyfriend that doesn't even have an eyeball in either eye socket.  So how could the DMV possibly identify someone without eyes?  Exammple, someone like Jason with no eyes.  For me, it's easy.  I have eyes and color is brown, but I can't open the eyes.  I've always had problems withh school pics where the teacher said I hd to retake the pics due to eyes not opening.  Thoughts? Beth ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 17:52:05 -0600 From: Arielle Silverman To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list     Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ID cards Message-ID:     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Beth, Does he have prosthetic eyes? (like glass eyes) Many blind people have prosthetic eyes, so I imagine he could just say what the eyes are made of instead of an eye color. Arielle On 8/29/12, Beth wrote: > Hi, you guys.  On the subject of ID cards and eye color, I have a > boyfriend that doesn't even have an eyeball in either eye socket. > So how could the DMV possibly identify someone without eyes? > Exammple, someone like Jason with no eyes.  For me, it's easy.  I > have eyes and color is brown, but I can't open the eyes.  I've > always had problems withh school pics where the teacher said I hd > to retake the pics due to eyes not opening.  Thoughts? > Beth > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 19:11:03 -0600 From: Beth To: National Association of Blind Students mailing     list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ID cards Message-ID: <503ebdca.8a5b320a.3482.ffffaade at mx.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed HE does not have prosthetics as far as I know.  His eyes are made in such a way that prosthetics are impossible to put in.  I've seen those eyes of his. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: Arielle Silverman wrote: Hi, you guys.  On the subject of ID cards and eye color, I have a boyfriend that doesn't even have an eyeball in either eye socket. So how could the DMV possibly identify someone without eyes? Exammple, someone like Jason with no eyes.  For me, it's easy.  I have eyes and color is brown, but I can't open the eyes.  I've always had problems withh school pics where the teacher said I hd to retake the pics due to eyes not opening.  Thoughts? Beth _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g mail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo se%40gmail.com ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 21:39:24 -0400 From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"     Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ID cards Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";     reply-type=response Beth, Some states put eye color on the id card. But if you  do not have eyes, that cannot be used. perhaps under eye color, they would write NA for not applicable or leave it off the ID card. As for not being able to open your eyes, I assume there is some medical reason with being blind causing that. I am low vision so do not have that issue. But if you cannot open your eyes, I think some exception could be made. They should just take the picture with eyes closed then. -----Original Message----- From: Beth Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 7:42 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] ID cards Hi, you guys.  On the subject of ID cards and eye color, I have a boyfriend that doesn't even have an eyeball in either eye socket. So how could the DMV possibly identify someone without eyes? Exammple, someone like Jason with no eyes.  For me, it's easy.  I have eyes and color is brown, but I can't open the eyes.  I've always had problems withh school pics where the teacher said I hd to retake the pics due to eyes not opening.  Thoughts? Beth _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 20:10:18 -0600 From: Beth To: National Association of Blind Students mailing     list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ID cards Message-ID: <503ecbad.61b3320a.0d8c.1006 at mx.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed That's true, Ashley.  At least you're lucky you're low vision.  Totals always have it hardd.  Like I said in the original posts, I sometimes had teachers and photo people go nuts on my school piccs saying that I had to "retake them." Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list     Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ID's and Voting Message-ID:     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I guess that would make too much sense! On 8/29/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Even if they need eye color on your ID card, couldn't they just ask > you what color your eyes are and put that down? That's what they did > for my height and weight. > Arielle > > On 8/28/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Desiree, >> That is a good question for the DMV. Call and ask. My guess is if you >> renew >> >> online, they will use your existing photo they have on file. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Desiree Oudinot >> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 5:06 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ID's and Voting >> >> Hi, >> So, if you can renew your ID online, how do they get an updated >> picture? I've heard of people not having a picture on their ID for >> religious reasons, but I'm certainly not interested in that because it >> just seems like from all I've heard and what I think personally, no >> one would take an ID without a picture on it seriously. It would be >> extremely easy to forge. No offense to people who choose not to have a >> picture on their ID for whatever reason, it's just not something I >> would do myself. So how does that work? My mom said that if I renew >> online, what will probably happen is they'll send something in the >> mail which says the ID isn't expired, and I'll have 60 days to go to >> the DMV to have my picture taken. Is that true? >> >> On 8/28/12, Justin Young wrote: >>> I know you don't necessarily have to go to the DMV to renew your ID. >>> When it came time for me to renew mine, they just sent a form in the >>> mail and I checked a box(Driver or Non-Driver).  They both had a >>> length they were good for and a fee it cost to purchase them.  Using a >>> CCTV I filled out the form rather quickly.  If one doesn't have enough >>> vision for that, then I guess the only other way would to have sighted >>> assistance.  I would say though if the picture you wish to change, >>> then to my knowledge you have to go to the DMV.  Hope this helps >>> >>> On 8/28/12, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: >>>> Hello, >>>> The way I write my signature is Place my finger on the line, place my >>>> pen >>>> next to my finger, lift my finger, ask someone if the pen is in the >>>> right >>>> place and agust to what they say, then if I can I place my finger back >>>> on >>>> the paper and then I write my signature strait from my finger. I have a >>>> signature that doesn't need me to lift my pen from the paper, so that >>>> is >>>> really good. I also just use my first name as my signature only. (I'm >>>> not >>>> sure if people know this, but your signature doesn't need to be your >>>> name, >>>> it can be a star or a picture of some kind). I've been told that my >>>> signature is super hard to copy and it is still readable. I use a >>>> mixture >>>> of >>>> >>>> cursive and the typical letters. I sat down with my living skills >>>> instructor >>>> >>>> one day and we experimented with signatures and found the thing that >>>> would >>>> be the fastest, most readable and the best reproducible, so that is >>>> what >>>> I >>>> now use. Also, I only write capitals, because they are the easiest to >>>> write >>>> >>>> for me. >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Brandon Keith Biggs >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Arielle Silverman >>>> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 10:15 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] ID's and Voting >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> I think it is fair for a blind person to need to get a state ID card >>>> or non-driving license. Going to the DMV sucks but it sucks for >>>> sighted people too. Having some kind of legal identification is just >>>> part of living in this country as an adult and enables us to >>>> participate in all the same activities as those with drivers' >>>> licenses, including flying on airplanes and passing the age test to >>>> buy alcohol (I don't think student ID is acceptable for either of >>>> these things, whether you are sighted or blind). I do, however, agree >>>> that requiring a blind person to give a signature that matches one on >>>> file is probably unfair even if it is not intended to be >>>> discriminatory. A blind person could get around this by signing with a >>>> stamp, though I'm not sure how long those last. >>>> Arielle >>>> On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: >>>>> Hm my main concern with the IDs is that people have to get to the DMV >>>>> somehow.  In places like Nashville, that's not exactly >>>>> straightforward. >>>>> I >>>>> guess they could take a cab?  It just sucks because, I think before, >>>>> people >>>>> could just use a student ID (speaking about our own age group).  Now, >>>>> the >>>>> states have made it more difficult than it already was. >>>>> >>>>> Rhode Island has an interesting approach to this (and someone correct >>>>> me >>>>> if >>>>> I'm wrong).  If you don't have a state ID on you at the polling place, >>>>> you >>>>> can sign an affidavit of identity, which basically just certifies that >>>>> you >>>>> are who you say you are.  I like this idea (well, except for the whole >>>>> signature thing, which I had never thought about). >>>>> >>>>> http://www.ncsl.org/legislatures-elections/elections/voter-id.aspx >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>>>     ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Cynthia Bennett >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Stephanie: >>>>>> >>>>>> This is great informaition. Thanks for going so much in depth. >>>>>> >>>>>> The ID issue is the easiest. I don't know of a state that doesn't >>>>>> offer a nondriving photo ID. This can be obtained wherever you would >>>>>> go to get your driver's license. It looks just like and contains all >>>>>> of the information that a driver's license contains. It is a >>>>>> legitimate form of ID. I had no problems at the precincts in NC when >>>>>> I >>>>>> showed my photo ID. >>>>>> >>>>>> Where ID's relate to my concern is that when you get your ID, you >>>>>> have >>>>>> to sign the bottom. The DMV that I went to had an electronic pad that >>>>>> you sign with a stylus. I typically like to place a finger down on a >>>>>> paper to orient myself before I write my signature. But touching the >>>>>> electronic pad made a finger print. After a few unsuccessful tries, >>>>>> the agent gave me an index card, and they elected to process my >>>>>> signature the old way. This was helpful, but even though I have been >>>>>> signing my name since I was 7, I really don't have any way of knowing >>>>>> if I have signed my name exactly the way it looks on my state ID; >>>>>> this >>>>>> signature is kept on file with the state so they don't actually have >>>>>> to look at your ID to see it. I know that the intentions of this are >>>>>> good and in place to prevent voter fraud, but as a blind person, I >>>>>> feel like it pretty much gives me no choice but to find 2 witnesses >>>>>> to >>>>>> sign my ballot and varify my signature, and I think that is unfair >>>>>> since a sighted person can fill out their ballot independently and >>>>>> forego the long precinct lines since they are located far and few >>>>>> between due to the mailed-out ballots being the primary method used >>>>>> for voting. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm sure the membership committee will look at all of this >>>>>> information >>>>>> and decide if this call is a good idea, which I think we will, and we >>>>>> will work to find appropriate people to conduct the call. Thanks so >>>>>> much for the information. It was really great to read. >>>>>> >>>>>> And, I go by Cindy so that's fine. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cindy >>>>>> >>>>>> On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: >>>>>> > This website is very informative.  The following link takes you to >>>>>> > a >>>>>> > page >>>>>> > where they have links to several laws relevant to people with >>>>>> disabilities. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > http://www.section508.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=Laws >>>>>> > >>>>>> > In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>>>> >     ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> >> Heh, I mean Cynthia, sorry! >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>>>> >>     ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca >>>>>> >> wrote: >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >>> I'm excited to see that other people support the idea of getting >>>>>> >>> involved >>>>>> >>> but sad to admit that it's a problem. >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> My story is this:  In 2008, I went for early voting at one of the >>>>>> >>> designated places in Nashville.  When it was my turn, they >>>>>> >>> designated >>>>>> >>> a >>>>>> >>> polling machine to me.  Before I began the process, I asked about >>>>>> >>> assisted >>>>>> >>> voting.  Maybe I should have asked about accessible polling >>>>>> >>> machines? >>>>>> >>>  Anyway, he just said he'd have to help me and that was the only >>>>>> >>> option >>>>>> >>> I >>>>>> >>> had.  I turned him down and went through the process myself (I do >>>>>> >>> have >>>>>> >>> some >>>>>> >>> vision). >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> It seems that the voting issues fall into a few categories: >>>>>> >>> 1) lack of knowledge of rights/responsibilities on behalf of the >>>>>> >>> voter >>>>>> >>> 2) lack of training and knowledge of polling staff >>>>>> >>> 3) lack of a functioning accessible voting machine on site >>>>>> >>> 4) difficult-to-follow tutorials/instructions for the accessible >>>>>> machine >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> For me, numbers 1 and 2 seem to be the biggest problems.  How do >>>>>> >>> we >>>>>> >>> get >>>>>> >>> the word out and how do we insure that the people at the polling >>>>>> >>> places >>>>>> >>> are >>>>>> >>> trained and that there is a funcitoning machine available? >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> I like the idea about having demos.  Barring that, would it be >>>>>> >>> possible >>>>>> >>> to record a tutorial and post it online?  Maybe by someone who >>>>>> >>> has >>>>>> >>> used >>>>>> >>> it >>>>>> >>> recently?  I've heard that the tutorial provided at the polling >>>>>> >>> place >>>>>> is >>>>>> >>> often not straightforward or easy to follow and that a blind user >>>>>> >>> could >>>>>> >>> do >>>>>> >>> a better job haha >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> I think we should at the very least inform people of their >>>>>> >>> rights. >>>>>> >>> I >>>>>> >>> think finding the federal law wouldn't be too hard, but some >>>>>> >>> rules >>>>>> >>> vary >>>>>> >>> state by state.  I'm having trouble tracking down the information >>>>>> >>> for >>>>>> >>> TN, >>>>>> >>> for example.  Anyway, here is the federal law (I think). >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> *Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act* >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> The Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act of >>>>>> >>> 1984 >>>>>> >>> generally requires polling places across the United States to be >>>>>> >>> physically >>>>>> >>> accessible to people with disabilities for federal elections. >>>>>> >>> Where >>>>>> >>> no >>>>>> >>> accessible location is available to serve as a polling place, a >>>>>> >>> political >>>>>> >>> subdivision must provide an alternate means of casting a ballot >>>>>> >>> on >>>>>> >>> the >>>>>> >>> day >>>>>> >>> of the election. This law also requires states to make available >>>>>> >>> registration and voting aids for disabled and elderly voters, >>>>>> >>> including >>>>>> >>> information by TTYs (also known as TDDs) or similar devices. For >>>>>> >>> more >>>>>> >>> information, contact: >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> U.S. Department of Justice >>>>>> >>> Civil Rights Division >>>>>> >>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >>>>>> >>> Voting Section - 1800 G >>>>>> >>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>  (800) 253-3931  (voice/TTY) >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> *National Voter Registration Act* >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> The National Voter Registration Act of 1993, also known as the >>>>>> >>> "Motor >>>>>> >>> Voter Act," makes it easier for all Americans to exercise their >>>>>> >>> fundamental >>>>>> >>> right to vote. One of the basic purposes of the Act is to >>>>>> >>> increase >>>>>> >>> the >>>>>> >>> historically low registration rates of minorities and persons >>>>>> >>> with >>>>>> >>> disabilities that have resulted from discrimination. The Motor >>>>>> >>> Voter >>>>>> Act >>>>>> >>> requires all offices of State-funded programs that are primarily >>>>>> engaged >>>>>> >>> in >>>>>> >>> providing services to persons with disabilities to provide all >>>>>> >>> program >>>>>> >>> applicants with voter registration forms, to assist them in >>>>>> >>> completing >>>>>> >>> the >>>>>> >>> forms, and to transmit completed forms to the appropriate State >>>>>> >>> official. >>>>>> >>> For more information, contact: >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> U.S. Department of Justice >>>>>> >>> Civil Rights Division >>>>>> >>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. >>>>>> >>> Voting Section - 1800 G >>>>>> >>> Washington, D.C. 20530 >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> www.usdoj.gov/crt/voting >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>  (800) 253-3931  (voice/TTY) >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> It seems that the NFB has a lot of lawyers.  Is it possible for >>>>>> >>> us >>>>>> >>> to >>>>>> >>> get >>>>>> >>> someone trained in law to help us with this one? >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Here is another good resource, the Department of Justice: >>>>>> >>> http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/drs/ >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> One question I have is, why aren't ALL voting machines >>>>>> >>> accessible? >>>>>> >>> It >>>>>> >>> seems like this is more of a software issue.  Would it not be >>>>>> >>> possible >>>>>> >>> to >>>>>> >>> write accessible software to be used on all machines? >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> One other thing is that we should encourage people to file a >>>>>> >>> complaint >>>>>> >>> if >>>>>> >>> they have these aforementioned problems this year and in the >>>>>> >>> future. >>>>>>  We >>>>>> >>> (the NFB) should provide information on that, as well. >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> While I think this is a concern for the whole NFB on a national >>>>>> >>> level, >>>>>> I >>>>>> >>> think as students, we are in a good spot to target new voters and >>>>>> >>> college >>>>>> >>> students who have not voted before.  Maybe we could draft a >>>>>> >>> brochure >>>>>> >>> about >>>>>> >>> rights and responsibilities and general information (maybe even >>>>>> >>> for >>>>>> >>> people >>>>>> >>> who aren't blind but are disabled?) and make sure it gets >>>>>> >>> distributed >>>>>> at >>>>>> >>> voter registration drives going on campus. >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Cindy also makes a good point about getting to the voting place. >>>>>> >>> Also, >>>>>> >>> this will become even more difficult in many states that require >>>>>> >>> valid >>>>>> >>> state IDs (like TN, AL, AR, etc.).  How should we deal with this? >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared >>>>>> >>> mind. >>>>>> >>>     ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Cynthia Bennett >>>>>> >>> wrote: >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>> Stephanie: >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> That is a great idea. I had a similar experience as Josh as I >>>>>> >>>> voted >>>>>> >>>> in >>>>>> >>>> my first election. They were the 2008 primaries, and I was very >>>>>> >>>> excited. When the machine did not work, I asked a poll worker to >>>>>> >>>> assist me. They filled in the ballot as I wished, but the worker >>>>>> >>>> did >>>>>> >>>> make some comments about their preference on a politician. This >>>>>> >>>> occured when I said that I did not want to vote for a particular >>>>>> >>>> office, because I was unfamiliar with any of the candidates. I >>>>>> >>>> said >>>>>> >>>> something like, "I don't want to fill in anything for this," and >>>>>> >>>> the >>>>>> >>>> worker responded with "Oh, I heard that ___ is pretty good. Do >>>>>> >>>> you >>>>>> >>>> want me to fill in his/her name?" I chose to still not vote for >>>>>> >>>> that >>>>>> >>>> particular office. This practice is illegal, and I chose not to >>>>>> >>>> say >>>>>> >>>> anything about it. But I do think that an informational call >>>>>> >>>> about >>>>>> >>>> rights and accessible voting machines would be awesome. >>>>>> >>>> Unfortunately, >>>>>> >>>> each state is a little different, but information about federal >>>>>> >>>> mandates on the presence of accessible voting machines/rights >>>>>> >>>> and >>>>>> >>>> some >>>>>> >>>> typical patterns in accessible voting in states would be great. >>>>>> >>>> For >>>>>> >>>> example, Washington conducts mail ballots. There are a few >>>>>> >>>> precincts >>>>>> >>>> around town, but if you work in a neighborhood in which it takes >>>>>> >>>> a >>>>>> >>>> while to get to a precinct, you are at a disadvantage as a blind >>>>>> >>>> person. So, you can either take off work and use public >>>>>> >>>> transportation >>>>>> >>>> to navigate to one of the few and very busy precincts and wait >>>>>> >>>> in >>>>>> >>>> a >>>>>> >>>> 3-hour line, or you can find a reader and disclose your voting >>>>>> >>>> preferences. The other animal in this issue is that if you >>>>>> >>>> choose >>>>>> >>>> to >>>>>> >>>> get a reader to fill out your signature does not match the >>>>>> >>>> signature >>>>>> >>>> on your state ID which is kept on file, then your ballot can be >>>>>> >>>> deemed >>>>>> >>>> as false and not counted. As a blind person, I do the best I can >>>>>> >>>> with >>>>>> >>>> my signature, but I do think that even the most ambitious blind >>>>>> >>>> people >>>>>> >>>> are at a disadvantage when having to match a signature, and our >>>>>> >>>> ballots could not be counted, and we may not hear about it, or >>>>>> >>>> we >>>>>> >>>> would learn of it after elections are closed. If we are afraid >>>>>> >>>> that >>>>>> >>>> our signature may not match that of our state ID, then we can >>>>>> >>>> have >>>>>> >>>> 2 >>>>>> >>>> witnesses sign. But that is 2 more people that have to see my >>>>>> >>>> ballot. >>>>>> >>>> I do not think that this practice is common within the states, >>>>>> >>>> and >>>>>> >>>> I >>>>>> >>>> would definitely not like my experience to dominate the nature >>>>>> >>>> of >>>>>> >>>> the >>>>>> >>>> call, but I wanted to relay it to show that I think this is a >>>>>> >>>> very >>>>>> >>>> good idea. I would personally like some professional/legal >>>>>> >>>> advice/legal suggestions on how this can be changed. >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> So, if you have any suggestions on people to conduct this call, >>>>>> >>>> or >>>>>> >>>> resources for where this information can be found, please share >>>>>> >>>> it. >>>>>> >>>> If >>>>>> >>>> not, the membership committee will certainly take the initiative >>>>>> >>>> to >>>>>> >>>> conduct an informative call if we do in fact decide to pursue >>>>>> >>>> this >>>>>> >>>> topic. But I wanted to make sure that since you made the >>>>>> >>>> suggestion, >>>>>> >>>> you are welcome to provide suggestions on people to conduct the >>>>>> >>>> call. >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> I know that someone comes to each NC state convention with an >>>>>> >>>> accessible voting machine to show in the exhibit hall. During >>>>>> >>>> this >>>>>> >>>> time, people can vote in a fake election and orient themselves >>>>>> >>>> to >>>>>> >>>> the >>>>>> >>>> machine. I am not sure if NC is still doing this since it has >>>>>> >>>> been >>>>>> >>>> a >>>>>> >>>> few years since the accessible machines were introduced, but I >>>>>> >>>> think >>>>>> >>>> there is still a need for outreach about accessible voting. >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> Keep the good membership call suggestions coming! >>>>>> >>>> Cindy >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> On 8/27/12, Joshua Lester >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>> > Hi, Stephanie! >>>>>> >>>> > That's a great idea! >>>>>> >>>> > I went to my voting site, earlier this year, and the machine >>>>>> >>>> > didn't >>>>>> >>>> work. >>>>>> >>>> > My Disability Rights person that works for the governor, here >>>>>> >>>> > said >>>>>> >>>> he'd come >>>>>> >>>> > down, to show them how to work it, but he never showed up! >>>>>> >>>> > Thanks, Joshua >>>>>> >>>> > ________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on >>>>>> behalf >>>>>> >>>> of >>>>>> >>>> > Stephanie DeLuca [sjhhirst at gmail.com] >>>>>> >>>> > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 2:53 PM >>>>>> >>>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> >>>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS Membership Call Survey >>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> > I think a discussion on voting as people with disabilities >>>>>> >>>> > would >>>>>> >>>> > be >>>>>> >>>> good. >>>>>> >>>> > Since a lot of people are on college campuses, it'd be a good >>>>>> >>>> opportunity to >>>>>> >>>> > get involved with informing people with disabilities (mainly >>>>>> >>>> > VI) >>>>>> >>>> > about >>>>>> >>>> > rights and responsibilities for voting.  I've been to/worked >>>>>> >>>> > at >>>>>> >>>> > several >>>>>> >>>> > voter registration drives, and I have NEVER seen information >>>>>> >>>> > on >>>>>> >>>> > voting >>>>>> >>>> if >>>>>> >>>> > you have a disability. >>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> > On Aug 27, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Cody Bair >>>>>> >>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> >> Hi All, >>>>>> >>>> >> As you are probably already aware, NABS conducts monthly >>>>>> >>>> >> membership >>>>>> >>>> calls. >>>>>> >>>> >> In order to get this school year started we are currently >>>>>> >>>> >> seeking >>>>>> >>>> >> your >>>>>> >>>> >> input on what topics you would like to see us cover this >>>>>> >>>> >> year. >>>>>> >>>> >> Please >>>>>> >>>> >> either reply directly to this thread with your suggestions or >>>>>> >>>> >> mail >>>>>> >>>> them >>>>>> >>>> >> directly to >>>>>> >>>> >> Nabs.membership at gmail.com >>>>>> >>>> >> Sincerely, >>>>>> >>>> >> The NABS membership Committee >>>>>> >>>> >> >>>>>> >>>> >> >>>>>> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>> >> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> >>>> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> >>>> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>>> >>>> >> info >>>>>> >>>> >> for >>>>>> >>>> >> nabs-l: >>>>>> >>>> >> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> 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http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com > ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 22:38:40 -0700 From: Ben J Bloomgren To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list     Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Taking a Course in Chinese Message-ID: <971A4379-79D9-45A0-9C73-123D762D6880 at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hanna, That's why I wrote my initial message to you. I fear that you're going into this giant's backyard in ignorance. Please know that I am not flaming you by any means. I'm not even trying to sound rude, but I don't want you to run into a buzz saw in class when they're studying Chinese characters while you're wondering about an "alphabet." Chinese does not have an alphabet in the same way in which English does. The characters express words or parts of words, and their meaning and pronunciation must be learned from memory. I'm not trying to scare you off, but it takes the average native-born Chinese student upwards of five years to master the system. There is Pinyin, which is a way to write Mandarin Chinese in regular letters, but that's not how the Chinese public does things. Again, please know that I'm not attempting to start a flame war. I probably sound very arrogant and rude, but I'm just trying to get you to the best experience possible with this tiger of a group of languages. If you wish to email me off list, please do so: bbloomgren at me.com or on twitter at http://twitter.com/blindbirder Sincerely, Ben On Aug 28, 2012, at 7:22 PM, "Hannah Chadwick" wrote: > Hi all, > Thank you for the info. I'm not interested in learning all the millions of > characters but rather the Chinese alphabe. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Chun Chao > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:34 PM > To: blind-international-students at nfbnet.org > Cc: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Taking a Course in Chinese > > Hello Blind International Students: > > The following is a message that was circulated on the National Association > of Blind Students (NABS) list regarding the use of Braille with foreign > languages. > If anyone has any information to contribute to this thread, please send all > responses directly to NABS at mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > Sincerely, > C.C. Alan > > On Aug 28, 2012, at 0:48, "Hannah Chadwick" > wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > My name is Hannah Chadwick, and I'm attending UC Davis this fall. I'm > planning on double majoring in international relations and linguistics with > a minor in journalism. I love learning new languages, and will be taking a > Chinese class. I took Spanish for 2 years in high school and I was able to > use my BrailleNote for that, but I'm not sure that doing my Chinese work on > the Apex will be the best idea since the alphabet will be completely > different. > > Has anyone taken a Chinese course before? If so, what did you do in terms of > writing the Chinese alphabet? Are there software out to that would read the > language? > > Best, Hannah > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.co > m > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sparklylicious%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ben.j.bloomgren%40gmail.com ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 11:29:19 -0400 From: To: Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Brown,    Goldstein & Levy 2013 Disability Rights     Fellowship Message-ID: <01f101cd86c4$39c7f490$ad57ddb0$@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Please see below for a great opportunity for any graduating law students or young lawyers interested in disability law: In September 2009, Brown, Goldstein & Levy, LLP welcomed its first disability rights fellow. 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In Christ, Miranda -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 1:22 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] blackboard issues Hi all, Well, my classes use blackboard. My professor for pr has posted most handouts which would help me because I got the paper copy in class but need an electronic copy. But, the problem is this. I go to blackboard and click the class, click course documents, and then cannot click on the file link to open and download the file. Gee. Anyone have this issue? I thought it was just this professor, but then I realized it happened for my second class too! I press enter wich is the key for clicking usually. I then tried the application key, which is a right click, and still nothing. I am meerly taken to another screen with the same info. Any ideas? I’ll ask a sighted person to try and see if the same issue comes up with the mouse. But as far as I can tell, I cannot open these files with the keyboard. Note, I could last semester using the method I just described, by either pressing enter or right clicking on the document. FYI, I have windows 7 and internet explorer with jaws 13. Any ideas. thanks. Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/knownoflove%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Aug 30 22:35:30 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 18:35:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] blackboard issues In-Reply-To: <2D01309C2F5D5C4C93CC5DE084807DF207817CB1@DBSSOEXCHANGE.fldbs.net> References: <1D01A23120654BC2BC0C23FD13CAC2FD@OwnerPC> <2D01309C2F5D5C4C93CC5DE084807DF207817CB1@DBSSOEXCHANGE.fldbs.net> Message-ID: <346FC1BA797741B29B10D4AFB41C34B5@OwnerPC> well that doesn't help. I paid a lot of money to use jaws. I thought nfb worked and was continuing to work with blackboard on this. I am really frustrated. Also, I do not know if it is a jaw issue. I don't know how it could be. It reads the link and the name of the link, yet I cannot click on it. That is why I need someone to try with a mouse. Then, I will know it’s a jaws thing and can complain. I might also take it into school and have my professor guide me through how to use blackboard. With frames, you do not always see the links with jaws. They could tell me what to click on. Well, I hope I can find a solution to this. I did not have this problem last two semesters. And I thought blackboard was supposed to be more accessible now! Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Wasif, Zunaira Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 5:09 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] blackboard issues Supposedly, System access works really well with blackboard while JAWS is problematic. I heard this info second hand. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 1:22 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] blackboard issues Hi all, Well, my classes use blackboard. My professor for pr has posted most handouts which would help me because I got the paper copy in class but need an electronic copy. But, the problem is this. I go to blackboard and click the class, click course documents, and then cannot click on the file link to open and download the file. Gee. Anyone have this issue? I thought it was just this professor, but then I realized it happened for my second class too! I press enter wich is the key for clicking usually. I then tried the application key, which is a right click, and still nothing. I am meerly taken to another screen with the same info. Any ideas? I’ll ask a sighted person to try and see if the same issue comes up with the mouse. But as far as I can tell, I cannot open these files with the keyboard. Note, I could last semester using the method I just described, by either pressing enter or right clicking on the document. FYI, I have windows 7 and internet explorer with jaws 13. Any ideas. thanks. Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%40dbs.fldoe.org _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From amc05111 at gmail.com Fri Aug 31 00:06:46 2012 From: amc05111 at gmail.com (Ashley Coleman) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 20:06:46 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] blackboard issues In-Reply-To: <346FC1BA797741B29B10D4AFB41C34B5@OwnerPC> References: <1D01A23120654BC2BC0C23FD13CAC2FD@OwnerPC> <2D01309C2F5D5C4C93CC5DE084807DF207817CB1@DBSSOEXCHANGE.fldbs.net> <346FC1BA797741B29B10D4AFB41C34B5@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hey, I don't know if this will help. I have not experienced this problem with BlackBoard though I use JAWS 12, but you could try a JAWS screen Refresh, insert plus excape after you press enter. Let me know if this helps. Ashley On 8/30/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > well that doesn't help. I paid a lot of money to use jaws. > I thought nfb worked and was continuing to work with blackboard on this. I > am really frustrated. Also, I do not know if it is a jaw issue. I don't > know how it could be. It reads the link and the name of the link, yet I > cannot click on it. That is why I need someone to try with a mouse. Then, I > will know it’s a jaws thing and can complain. I might also take it into > school and have my professor guide me through how to use blackboard. With > frames, you do not always see the links with jaws. They could tell me what > to click on. > > Well, I hope I can find a solution to this. I did not have this problem last > two semesters. And I thought blackboard was supposed to be more accessible > now! > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wasif, Zunaira > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 5:09 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] blackboard issues > > Supposedly, System access works really well with blackboard while JAWS is > problematic. I heard this info second hand. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Ashley Bramlett > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 1:22 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] blackboard issues > > Hi all, > > Well, my classes use blackboard. My professor for pr has posted most > handouts which would help me because I got the paper copy in class but need > an electronic copy. But, the problem is this. I go to blackboard and click > the class, click course documents, and then cannot click on the file link to > open and download the file. Gee. Anyone have this issue? > I thought it was just this professor, but then I realized it happened for my > second class too! I press enter wich is the key for clicking usually. I > then tried the application key, which is a right click, and still nothing. > I am meerly taken to another screen with the same info. > > Any ideas? I’ll ask a sighted person to try and see if the same issue comes > up with the mouse. But as far as I can tell, I cannot open these files with > the keyboard. Note, I could last semester using the method I just described, > by either pressing enter or right clicking on the document. FYI, I have > windows 7 and internet explorer with jaws 13. > > Any ideas. thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%40dbs.fldoe.org > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com > From gpaikens at gmail.com Fri Aug 31 01:55:45 2012 From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 21:55:45 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] blackboard issues In-Reply-To: <346FC1BA797741B29B10D4AFB41C34B5@OwnerPC> References: <1D01A23120654BC2BC0C23FD13CAC2FD@OwnerPC> <2D01309C2F5D5C4C93CC5DE084807DF207817CB1@DBSSOEXCHANGE.fldbs.net> <346FC1BA797741B29B10D4AFB41C34B5@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <74F53312-56DD-4290-8DD1-54841CF4DFAC@gmail.com> Hi Ashley, I am using JAWS 12 and Windows 7 and Firefox and am not having this issue. When I click the file name, it automatically begins downloading it to the downloads folder. I would give Firefox a try. You could also check to see which version of blackboard your school is using. If it is an older version, it might not work as well, although you said you were able to do this before…. -Greg -Greg On Aug 30, 2012, at 6:35 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: > well that doesn't help. I paid a lot of money to use jaws. > I thought nfb worked and was continuing to work with blackboard on this. I am really frustrated. Also, I do not know if it is a jaw issue. I don't know how it could be. It reads the link and the name of the link, yet I cannot click on it. That is why I need someone to try with a mouse. Then, I will know it’s a jaws thing and can complain. I might also take it into school and have my professor guide me through how to use blackboard. With frames, you do not always see the links with jaws. They could tell me what to click on. > > Well, I hope I can find a solution to this. I did not have this problem last two semesters. And I thought blackboard was supposed to be more accessible now! > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- From: Wasif, Zunaira > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 5:09 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] blackboard issues > > Supposedly, System access works really well with blackboard while JAWS is problematic. I heard this info second hand. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 1:22 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] blackboard issues > > Hi all, > > Well, my classes use blackboard. My professor for pr has posted most handouts which would help me because I got the paper copy in class but need an electronic copy. But, the problem is this. I go to blackboard and click the class, click course documents, and then cannot click on the file link to open and download the file. Gee. Anyone have this issue? > I thought it was just this professor, but then I realized it happened for my second class too! I press enter wich is the key for clicking usually. I then tried the application key, which is a right click, and still nothing. I am meerly taken to another screen with the same info. > > Any ideas? I’ll ask a sighted person to try and see if the same issue comes up with the mouse. But as far as I can tell, I cannot open these files with the keyboard. Note, I could last semester using the method I just described, by either pressing enter or right clicking on the document. FYI, I have windows 7 and internet explorer with jaws 13. > > Any ideas. thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%40dbs.fldoe.org > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Aug 31 02:42:45 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 22:42:45 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] blackboard issues In-Reply-To: <74F53312-56DD-4290-8DD1-54841CF4DFAC@gmail.com> References: <1D01A23120654BC2BC0C23FD13CAC2FD@OwnerPC><2D01309C2F5D5C4C93CC5DE084807DF207817CB1@DBSSOEXCHANGE.fldbs.net><346FC1BA797741B29B10D4AFB41C34B5@OwnerPC> <74F53312-56DD-4290-8DD1-54841CF4DFAC@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1094A41A74F54906977841E9D9DE9021@OwnerPC> Hi, Before, when I clicked on the document name I needed to download, it did download to what ever folder I selected. I might try another browser or refresh the screen. -----Original Message----- From: Greg Aikens Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 9:55 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] blackboard issues Hi Ashley, I am using JAWS 12 and Windows 7 and Firefox and am not having this issue. When I click the file name, it automatically begins downloading it to the downloads folder. I would give Firefox a try. You could also check to see which version of blackboard your school is using. If it is an older version, it might not work as well, although you said you were able to do this before…. -Greg -Greg On Aug 30, 2012, at 6:35 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: > well that doesn't help. I paid a lot of money to use jaws. > I thought nfb worked and was continuing to work with blackboard on this. I > am really frustrated. Also, I do not know if it is a jaw issue. I don't > know how it could be. It reads the link and the name of the link, yet I > cannot click on it. That is why I need someone to try with a mouse. Then, > I will know it’s a jaws thing and can complain. I might also take it into > school and have my professor guide me through how to use blackboard. With > frames, you do not always see the links with jaws. They could tell me what > to click on. > > Well, I hope I can find a solution to this. I did not have this problem > last two semesters. And I thought blackboard was supposed to be more > accessible now! > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- From: Wasif, Zunaira > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 5:09 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] blackboard issues > > Supposedly, System access works really well with blackboard while JAWS is > problematic. I heard this info second hand. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 1:22 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] blackboard issues > > Hi all, > > Well, my classes use blackboard. My professor for pr has posted most > handouts which would help me because I got the paper copy in class but > need an electronic copy. But, the problem is this. I go to blackboard and > click the class, click course documents, and then cannot click on the file > link to open and download the file. Gee. Anyone have this issue? > I thought it was just this professor, but then I realized it happened for > my second class too! I press enter wich is the key for clicking usually. > I then tried the application key, which is a right click, and still > nothing. I am meerly taken to another screen with the same info. > > Any ideas? I’ll ask a sighted person to try and see if the same issue > comes up with the mouse. But as far as I can tell, I cannot open these > files with the keyboard. Note, I could last semester using the method I > just described, by either pressing enter or right clicking on the > document. FYI, I have windows 7 and internet explorer with jaws 13. > > Any ideas. thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%40dbs.fldoe.org > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Fri Aug 31 08:07:18 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 08:07:18 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! Message-ID: I thought that I had my Anatomy and Physiology book, and my Medical Terminology books, in audio! I didn't! All I have, are my Behavioral Health, and Healthcare Delivery books! The VR people that Brailled my MedTerm book, didn't do what they were supposed to do, so I'm having to get the worksheets, (which are out of the book,) E-mailed to me! How am I supposed to find the answers to my A and P homework, when I can't have an audiobook? The people at Learning Ally told my DSO, that they don't have it! The DSO won't allow my work-study to look up the answers for me, from the Print book, so my mom has to do it. There's a problem! She can't see well enough to do it, due to the small print! I'm tired of this discrimination! Please help! Thanks, Joshua From anjelinac26 at gmail.com Fri Aug 31 11:36:02 2012 From: anjelinac26 at gmail.com (Anjelina) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 07:36:02 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <845320F8-E0CA-4E32-ABC6-BF0300F9368F@gmail.com> Good morning Joshua, Could you or the DS office scan the text you need? Does the publisher offer the text in an alternative format? Wishing you the best Anjelina Sent from my iPhone On Aug 31, 2012, at 4:07 AM, Joshua Lester wrote: > I thought that I had my Anatomy and Physiology book, and my Medical Terminology books, in audio! > I didn't! > All I have, are my Behavioral Health, and Healthcare Delivery books! > The VR people that Brailled my MedTerm book, didn't do what they were supposed to do, so I'm having to get the worksheets, (which are out of the book,) E-mailed to me! > How am I supposed to find the answers to my A and P homework, when I can't have an audiobook? > The people at Learning Ally told my DSO, that they don't have it! > The DSO won't allow my work-study to look up the answers for me, from the Print book, so my mom has to do it. > There's a problem! > She can't see well enough to do it, due to the small print! > I'm tired of this discrimination! > Please help! > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com From hope.paulos at gmail.com Fri Aug 31 12:13:27 2012 From: hope.paulos at gmail.com (Hope Paulos) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 08:13:27 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi there. Is it possible for you to have your DS oh read the book into a digital file? Even if it was from chapter to chapter, you would at least be able to answer your questions. Is what I had done when I never received my books on time. My professors even went so far as to read the book to me on a cassette. Another thing you could do is ask for a reader in your accommodations. This reader would be there to read the book to you, see you could take notes, and adequately answer the questions. I hope this helps! Hope Sent from my iPhone On Aug 31, 2012, at 4:07 AM, Joshua Lester wrote: > I thought that I had my Anatomy and Physiology book, and my Medical Terminology books, in audio! > I didn't! > All I have, are my Behavioral Health, and Healthcare Delivery books! > The VR people that Brailled my MedTerm book, didn't do what they were supposed to do, so I'm having to get the worksheets, (which are out of the book,) E-mailed to me! > How am I supposed to find the answers to my A and P homework, when I can't have an audiobook? > The people at Learning Ally told my DSO, that they don't have it! > The DSO won't allow my work-study to look up the answers for me, from the Print book, so my mom has to do it. > There's a problem! > She can't see well enough to do it, due to the small print! > I'm tired of this discrimination! > Please help! > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com From amc05111 at gmail.com Fri Aug 31 15:37:09 2012 From: amc05111 at gmail.com (Ashley Coleman) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 11:37:09 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] blackboard issues In-Reply-To: <74F53312-56DD-4290-8DD1-54841CF4DFAC@gmail.com> References: <1D01A23120654BC2BC0C23FD13CAC2FD@OwnerPC> <2D01309C2F5D5C4C93CC5DE084807DF207817CB1@DBSSOEXCHANGE.fldbs.net> <346FC1BA797741B29B10D4AFB41C34B5@OwnerPC> <74F53312-56DD-4290-8DD1-54841CF4DFAC@gmail.com> Message-ID: Ashley, it may be the newer version of JAWS. I have JAWS 12 and 13 on my computer and mostly use 12, but I will look around on Blackboard this weekend and see what I get. Ashley C On skype and twitter On 8/30/12, Greg Aikens wrote: > Hi Ashley, > I am using JAWS 12 and Windows 7 and Firefox and am not having this issue. > When I click the file name, it automatically begins downloading it to the > downloads folder. I would give Firefox a try. You could also check to see > which version of blackboard your school is using. If it is an older > version, it might not work as well, although you said you were able to do > this before…. > > -Greg > > -Greg > > > On Aug 30, 2012, at 6:35 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" > wrote: > >> well that doesn't help. I paid a lot of money to use jaws. >> I thought nfb worked and was continuing to work with blackboard on this. I >> am really frustrated. Also, I do not know if it is a jaw issue. I don't >> know how it could be. It reads the link and the name of the link, yet I >> cannot click on it. That is why I need someone to try with a mouse. Then, >> I will know it’s a jaws thing and can complain. I might also take it into >> school and have my professor guide me through how to use blackboard. With >> frames, you do not always see the links with jaws. They could tell me what >> to click on. >> >> Well, I hope I can find a solution to this. I did not have this problem >> last two semesters. And I thought blackboard was supposed to be more >> accessible now! >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Wasif, Zunaira >> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 5:09 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] blackboard issues >> >> Supposedly, System access works really well with blackboard while JAWS is >> problematic. I heard this info second hand. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett >> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 1:22 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] blackboard issues >> >> Hi all, >> >> Well, my classes use blackboard. My professor for pr has posted most >> handouts which would help me because I got the paper copy in class but >> need an electronic copy. But, the problem is this. I go to blackboard and >> click the class, click course documents, and then cannot click on the file >> link to open and download the file. Gee. Anyone have this issue? >> I thought it was just this professor, but then I realized it happened for >> my second class too! I press enter wich is the key for clicking usually. >> I then tried the application key, which is a right click, and still >> nothing. I am meerly taken to another screen with the same info. >> >> Any ideas? I’ll ask a sighted person to try and see if the same issue >> comes up with the mouse. But as far as I can tell, I cannot open these >> files with the keyboard. Note, I could last semester using the method I >> just described, by either pressing enter or right clicking on the >> document. FYI, I have windows 7 and internet explorer with jaws 13. >> >> Any ideas. thanks. >> Ashley >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%40dbs.fldoe.org >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com > From hope.paulos at gmail.com Fri Aug 31 15:43:10 2012 From: hope.paulos at gmail.com (Hope Paulos) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 11:43:10 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] blackboard issues In-Reply-To: References: <1D01A23120654BC2BC0C23FD13CAC2FD@OwnerPC> <2D01309C2F5D5C4C93CC5DE084807DF207817CB1@DBSSOEXCHANGE.fldbs.net> <346FC1BA797741B29B10D4AFB41C34B5@OwnerPC> <74F53312-56DD-4290-8DD1-54841CF4DFAC@gmail.com> Message-ID: <001b01cd878f$542c39b0$fc84ad10$@gmail.com> One thing that might work is pressing "space" on the link. I use IE 9 with Jaws 13 and latest version of Blackboard. I used to use firefox but can't seem to find a version that works well with Blackboard so went back to using IE 9. I'm also able to download files with no problem. I hope you can get this resolved. Hope -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Coleman Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 11:37 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] blackboard issues Ashley, it may be the newer version of JAWS. I have JAWS 12 and 13 on my computer and mostly use 12, but I will look around on Blackboard this weekend and see what I get. Ashley C On skype and twitter On 8/30/12, Greg Aikens wrote: > Hi Ashley, > I am using JAWS 12 and Windows 7 and Firefox and am not having this issue. > When I click the file name, it automatically begins downloading it to > the downloads folder. I would give Firefox a try. You could also > check to see which version of blackboard your school is using. If it > is an older version, it might not work as well, although you said you > were able to do this before.. > > -Greg > > -Greg > > > On Aug 30, 2012, at 6:35 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" > > wrote: > >> well that doesn't help. I paid a lot of money to use jaws. >> I thought nfb worked and was continuing to work with blackboard on >> this. I am really frustrated. Also, I do not know if it is a jaw >> issue. I don't know how it could be. It reads the link and the name >> of the link, yet I cannot click on it. That is why I need someone to >> try with a mouse. Then, I will know it's a jaws thing and can >> complain. I might also take it into school and have my professor >> guide me through how to use blackboard. With frames, you do not >> always see the links with jaws. They could tell me what to click on. >> >> Well, I hope I can find a solution to this. I did not have this >> problem last two semesters. And I thought blackboard was supposed to >> be more accessible now! >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Wasif, Zunaira >> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 5:09 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] blackboard issues >> >> Supposedly, System access works really well with blackboard while >> JAWS is problematic. I heard this info second hand. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett >> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 1:22 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] blackboard issues >> >> Hi all, >> >> Well, my classes use blackboard. My professor for pr has posted most >> handouts which would help me because I got the paper copy in class >> but need an electronic copy. But, the problem is this. I go to >> blackboard and click the class, click course documents, and then >> cannot click on the file link to open and download the file. Gee. Anyone have this issue? >> I thought it was just this professor, but then I realized it happened >> for my second class too! I press enter wich is the key for clicking usually. >> I then tried the application key, which is a right click, and still >> nothing. I am meerly taken to another screen with the same info. >> >> Any ideas? I'll ask a sighted person to try and see if the same >> issue comes up with the mouse. But as far as I can tell, I cannot >> open these files with the keyboard. Note, I could last semester using >> the method I just described, by either pressing enter or right >> clicking on the document. FYI, I have windows 7 and internet explorer with jaws 13. >> >> Any ideas. thanks. >> Ashley >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%40d >> bs.fldoe.org _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40ear >> thlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail. >> com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.c > om > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com From amc05111 at gmail.com Fri Aug 31 15:58:13 2012 From: amc05111 at gmail.com (Ashley Coleman) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 11:58:13 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] blackboard issues In-Reply-To: <001b01cd878f$542c39b0$fc84ad10$@gmail.com> References: <1D01A23120654BC2BC0C23FD13CAC2FD@OwnerPC> <2D01309C2F5D5C4C93CC5DE084807DF207817CB1@DBSSOEXCHANGE.fldbs.net> <346FC1BA797741B29B10D4AFB41C34B5@OwnerPC> <74F53312-56DD-4290-8DD1-54841CF4DFAC@gmail.com> <001b01cd878f$542c39b0$fc84ad10$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Ashley, If you are using IE 8 or 9 there is a possibility that the notification bar may have a box up for you. JAWS should tell you this, but to access it press alt-N. This is just another idea I had that I hope helps. Ashley On 8/31/12, Hope Paulos wrote: > One thing that might work is pressing "space" on the link. I use IE 9 with > Jaws 13 and latest version of Blackboard. I used to use firefox but can't > seem to find a version that works well with Blackboard so went back to > using > IE 9. I'm also able to download files with no problem. I hope you can get > this resolved. > Hope > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Ashley Coleman > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 11:37 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] blackboard issues > > Ashley, it may be the newer version of JAWS. I have JAWS 12 and 13 on my > computer and mostly use 12, but I will look around on Blackboard this > weekend and see what I get. > > Ashley C > On skype and twitter > > On 8/30/12, Greg Aikens wrote: >> Hi Ashley, >> I am using JAWS 12 and Windows 7 and Firefox and am not having this >> issue. >> When I click the file name, it automatically begins downloading it to >> the downloads folder. I would give Firefox a try. You could also >> check to see which version of blackboard your school is using. If it >> is an older version, it might not work as well, although you said you >> were able to do this before.. >> >> -Greg >> >> -Greg >> >> >> On Aug 30, 2012, at 6:35 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" >> >> wrote: >> >>> well that doesn't help. I paid a lot of money to use jaws. >>> I thought nfb worked and was continuing to work with blackboard on >>> this. I am really frustrated. Also, I do not know if it is a jaw >>> issue. I don't know how it could be. It reads the link and the name >>> of the link, yet I cannot click on it. That is why I need someone to >>> try with a mouse. Then, I will know it's a jaws thing and can >>> complain. I might also take it into school and have my professor >>> guide me through how to use blackboard. With frames, you do not >>> always see the links with jaws. They could tell me what to click on. >>> >>> Well, I hope I can find a solution to this. I did not have this >>> problem last two semesters. And I thought blackboard was supposed to >>> be more accessible now! >>> Ashley >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Wasif, Zunaira >>> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 5:09 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] blackboard issues >>> >>> Supposedly, System access works really well with blackboard while >>> JAWS is problematic. I heard this info second hand. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>> Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett >>> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 1:22 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] blackboard issues >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Well, my classes use blackboard. My professor for pr has posted most >>> handouts which would help me because I got the paper copy in class >>> but need an electronic copy. But, the problem is this. I go to >>> blackboard and click the class, click course documents, and then >>> cannot click on the file link to open and download the file. Gee. Anyone > have this issue? >>> I thought it was just this professor, but then I realized it happened >>> for my second class too! I press enter wich is the key for clicking > usually. >>> I then tried the application key, which is a right click, and still >>> nothing. I am meerly taken to another screen with the same info. >>> >>> Any ideas? I'll ask a sighted person to try and see if the same >>> issue comes up with the mouse. But as far as I can tell, I cannot >>> open these files with the keyboard. Note, I could last semester using >>> the method I just described, by either pressing enter or right >>> clicking on the document. FYI, I have windows 7 and internet explorer > with jaws 13. >>> >>> Any ideas. thanks. >>> Ashley >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%40d >>> bs.fldoe.org _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40ear >>> thlink.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail. >>> com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.c >> om >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com > From amc05111 at gmail.com Fri Aug 31 16:00:10 2012 From: amc05111 at gmail.com (Ashley Coleman) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 12:00:10 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey, go to the Learning Ally site and see if they have it. You could also check bookshare. Ashley On 8/31/12, Joshua Lester wrote: > I thought that I had my Anatomy and Physiology book, and my Medical > Terminology books, in audio! > I didn't! > All I have, are my Behavioral Health, and Healthcare Delivery books! > The VR people that Brailled my MedTerm book, didn't do what they were > supposed to do, so I'm having to get the worksheets, (which are out of the > book,) E-mailed to me! > How am I supposed to find the answers to my A and P homework, when I can't > have an audiobook? > The people at Learning Ally told my DSO, that they don't have it! > The DSO won't allow my work-study to look up the answers for me, from the > Print book, so my mom has to do it. > There's a problem! > She can't see well enough to do it, due to the small print! > I'm tired of this discrimination! > Please help! > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com > From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Fri Aug 31 18:39:43 2012 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 14:39:43 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] blackboard issues In-Reply-To: <2D01309C2F5D5C4C93CC5DE084807DF207817CB1@DBSSOEXCHANGE.fldbs.net> References: <1D01A23120654BC2BC0C23FD13CAC2FD@OwnerPC> <2D01309C2F5D5C4C93CC5DE084807DF207817CB1@DBSSOEXCHANGE.fldbs.net> Message-ID: I use JAWS with Blackboard without any problem, so there goes that theory. --Jewel Sent from my iPhone On Aug 30, 2012, at 5:09 PM, "Wasif, Zunaira" wrote: > Supposedly, System access works really well with blackboard while JAWS is problematic. I heard this info second hand. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 1:22 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] blackboard issues > > Hi all, > > Well, my classes use blackboard. My professor for pr has posted most handouts which would help me because I got the paper copy in class but need an electronic copy. But, the problem is this. I go to blackboard and click the class, click course documents, and then cannot click on the file link to open and download the file. Gee. Anyone have this issue? > I thought it was just this professor, but then I realized it happened for my second class too! I press enter wich is the key for clicking usually. I then tried the application key, which is a right click, and still nothing. I am meerly taken to another screen with the same info. > > Any ideas? I’ll ask a sighted person to try and see if the same issue comes up with the mouse. But as far as I can tell, I cannot open these files with the keyboard. Note, I could last semester using the method I just described, by either pressing enter or right clicking on the document. FYI, I have windows 7 and internet explorer with jaws 13. > > Any ideas. thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%40dbs.fldoe.org > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Fri Aug 31 18:58:38 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 18:58:38 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: I don't have a notetaker to download the book to, from Bookshare. I'd prefer Braille, because of the graphs. Thanks, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Coleman [amc05111 at gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 11:00 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! Hey, go to the Learning Ally site and see if they have it. You could also check bookshare. Ashley On 8/31/12, Joshua Lester wrote: > I thought that I had my Anatomy and Physiology book, and my Medical > Terminology books, in audio! > I didn't! > All I have, are my Behavioral Health, and Healthcare Delivery books! > The VR people that Brailled my MedTerm book, didn't do what they were > supposed to do, so I'm having to get the worksheets, (which are out of the > book,) E-mailed to me! > How am I supposed to find the answers to my A and P homework, when I can't > have an audiobook? > The people at Learning Ally told my DSO, that they don't have it! > The DSO won't allow my work-study to look up the answers for me, from the > Print book, so my mom has to do it. > There's a problem! > She can't see well enough to do it, due to the small print! > I'm tired of this discrimination! > Please help! > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Fri Aug 31 19:07:31 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 19:07:31 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! In-Reply-To: <845320F8-E0CA-4E32-ABC6-BF0300F9368F@gmail.com> References: , <845320F8-E0CA-4E32-ABC6-BF0300F9368F@gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm in need of a scannor, but VR won't get me one! Thanks, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Anjelina [anjelinac26 at gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 6:36 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! Good morning Joshua, Could you or the DS office scan the text you need? Does the publisher offer the text in an alternative format? Wishing you the best Anjelina Sent from my iPhone On Aug 31, 2012, at 4:07 AM, Joshua Lester wrote: > I thought that I had my Anatomy and Physiology book, and my Medical Terminology books, in audio! > I didn't! > All I have, are my Behavioral Health, and Healthcare Delivery books! > The VR people that Brailled my MedTerm book, didn't do what they were supposed to do, so I'm having to get the worksheets, (which are out of the book,) E-mailed to me! > How am I supposed to find the answers to my A and P homework, when I can't have an audiobook? > The people at Learning Ally told my DSO, that they don't have it! > The DSO won't allow my work-study to look up the answers for me, from the Print book, so my mom has to do it. > There's a problem! > She can't see well enough to do it, due to the small print! > I'm tired of this discrimination! > Please help! > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From gloria.graves at gmail.com Fri Aug 31 19:10:42 2012 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 14:10:42 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! References: , Message-ID: <9DA9DDA0D0CA44ED9A9B12757DEE85BC@Gloria> Hi, Do you have a victor stream or something like that? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! >I don't have a notetaker to download the book to, from Bookshare. > I'd prefer Braille, because of the graphs. > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of > Ashley Coleman [amc05111 at gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 11:00 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! > > Hey, go to the Learning Ally site and see if they have it. You could > also check bookshare. > Ashley > > On 8/31/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >> I thought that I had my Anatomy and Physiology book, and my Medical >> Terminology books, in audio! >> I didn't! >> All I have, are my Behavioral Health, and Healthcare Delivery books! >> The VR people that Brailled my MedTerm book, didn't do what they were >> supposed to do, so I'm having to get the worksheets, (which are out of >> the >> book,) E-mailed to me! >> How am I supposed to find the answers to my A and P homework, when I >> can't >> have an audiobook? >> The people at Learning Ally told my DSO, that they don't have it! >> The DSO won't allow my work-study to look up the answers for me, from the >> Print book, so my mom has to do it. >> There's a problem! >> She can't see well enough to do it, due to the small print! >> I'm tired of this discrimination! >> Please help! >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Fri Aug 31 19:14:25 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 19:14:25 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! In-Reply-To: <9DA9DDA0D0CA44ED9A9B12757DEE85BC@Gloria> References: , , <9DA9DDA0D0CA44ED9A9B12757DEE85BC@Gloria> Message-ID: I only have the NLS cartridge player. I also have the Daizy player. That plays the old CD's. That's the format that my books are in. Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Gloria G [gloria.graves at gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 2:10 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! Hi, Do you have a victor stream or something like that? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! >I don't have a notetaker to download the book to, from Bookshare. > I'd prefer Braille, because of the graphs. > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of > Ashley Coleman [amc05111 at gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 11:00 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! > > Hey, go to the Learning Ally site and see if they have it. You could > also check bookshare. > Ashley > > On 8/31/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >> I thought that I had my Anatomy and Physiology book, and my Medical >> Terminology books, in audio! >> I didn't! >> All I have, are my Behavioral Health, and Healthcare Delivery books! >> The VR people that Brailled my MedTerm book, didn't do what they were >> supposed to do, so I'm having to get the worksheets, (which are out of >> the >> book,) E-mailed to me! >> How am I supposed to find the answers to my A and P homework, when I >> can't >> have an audiobook? >> The people at Learning Ally told my DSO, that they don't have it! >> The DSO won't allow my work-study to look up the answers for me, from the >> Print book, so my mom has to do it. >> There's a problem! >> She can't see well enough to do it, due to the small print! >> I'm tired of this discrimination! >> Please help! >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From Zunaira.Wasif at dbs.fldoe.org Fri Aug 31 19:15:08 2012 From: Zunaira.Wasif at dbs.fldoe.org (Wasif, Zunaira) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 15:15:08 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! In-Reply-To: <9DA9DDA0D0CA44ED9A9B12757DEE85BC@Gloria> References: , <9DA9DDA0D0CA44ED9A9B12757DEE85BC@Gloria> Message-ID: <2D01309C2F5D5C4C93CC5DE084807DF207817CCC@DBSSOEXCHANGE.fldbs.net> Obtaining textbooks in braille is a really big issue for many of my students. We should bring this to the NFB. Advocacy in this area is necessary. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gloria G Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 3:11 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! Hi, Do you have a victor stream or something like that? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! >I don't have a notetaker to download the book to, from Bookshare. > I'd prefer Braille, because of the graphs. > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of > Ashley Coleman [amc05111 at gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 11:00 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! > > Hey, go to the Learning Ally site and see if they have it. You could > also check bookshare. > Ashley > > On 8/31/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >> I thought that I had my Anatomy and Physiology book, and my Medical >> Terminology books, in audio! >> I didn't! >> All I have, are my Behavioral Health, and Healthcare Delivery books! >> The VR people that Brailled my MedTerm book, didn't do what they were >> supposed to do, so I'm having to get the worksheets, (which are out of >> the >> book,) E-mailed to me! >> How am I supposed to find the answers to my A and P homework, when I >> can't >> have an audiobook? >> The people at Learning Ally told my DSO, that they don't have it! >> The DSO won't allow my work-study to look up the answers for me, from the >> Print book, so my mom has to do it. >> There's a problem! >> She can't see well enough to do it, due to the small print! >> I'm tired of this discrimination! >> Please help! >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuae du.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmai l.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%40dbs. fldoe.org From brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com Fri Aug 31 19:41:28 2012 From: brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com (Brandon Keith Biggs) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 12:41:28 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! In-Reply-To: <2D01309C2F5D5C4C93CC5DE084807DF207817CCC@DBSSOEXCHANGE.fldbs.net> References: , <9DA9DDA0D0CA44ED9A9B12757DEE85BC@Gloria> <2D01309C2F5D5C4C93CC5DE084807DF207817CCC@DBSSOEXCHANGE.fldbs.net> Message-ID: <7DE54E85AAAE43788A0F0C27AF250FDE@BrandonsLaptop2> Hello, Kindle should have them, but you won't get the Braille or descriptions for the math book. Have you checked NBP or NLS? Thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs -----Original Message----- From: Wasif, Zunaira Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 12:15 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! Obtaining textbooks in braille is a really big issue for many of my students. We should bring this to the NFB. Advocacy in this area is necessary. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gloria G Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 3:11 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! Hi, Do you have a victor stream or something like that? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! >I don't have a notetaker to download the book to, from Bookshare. > I'd prefer Braille, because of the graphs. > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of > Ashley Coleman [amc05111 at gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 11:00 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! > > Hey, go to the Learning Ally site and see if they have it. You could > also check bookshare. > Ashley > > On 8/31/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >> I thought that I had my Anatomy and Physiology book, and my Medical >> Terminology books, in audio! >> I didn't! >> All I have, are my Behavioral Health, and Healthcare Delivery books! >> The VR people that Brailled my MedTerm book, didn't do what they were >> supposed to do, so I'm having to get the worksheets, (which are out of >> the >> book,) E-mailed to me! >> How am I supposed to find the answers to my A and P homework, when I >> can't >> have an audiobook? >> The people at Learning Ally told my DSO, that they don't have it! >> The DSO won't allow my work-study to look up the answers for me, from the >> Print book, so my mom has to do it. >> There's a problem! >> She can't see well enough to do it, due to the small print! >> I'm tired of this discrimination! >> Please help! >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuae du.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmai l.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%40dbs. fldoe.org _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com From anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com Fri Aug 31 20:03:10 2012 From: anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com (Anmol Bhatia) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 13:03:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: [Jobs] Fwd: FW: job posting attached Message-ID: <1346443390.96446.YahooMailClassic@web162005.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> -- > ---------- > From: Mary Junnila > Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 14:00:23 -0500 > Subject: FW: job posting attached > To: Anmol Bhatia > Cc: Nimer Jaber > > Hi, Anmol: > > > > Here are the postings. > > > > Nimer, Anmol is our new case manager.  He's going to > see where he can post > these, too. > > > > Thanks, guys!! > > > > > > I am sending them to AERBVI. > > > > > > Mary > > > > Mary Junnila > > Executive Director > > Lighthouse Center for Vision Loss > > (also known as Duluth Lighthouse for the Blind) > > 4505 West Superior Street > > Duluth, Minnesota 55807 > > (218) 624-4828 phone > > (800) 422-0833 phone > > (218) 624-8822 TTY > > (218) 624-4479 fax > > mjunnila at lcfvl.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Cordially, > > Nimer Jaber > > Please take the time to read this signature completely as it > contains > some information about the email you have just read and all > attachments contained within as well as some valuable > resources and > methods for contacting me if you have any questions or wish > to talk. > > The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it > was > addressed. 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Thanks, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Brandon Keith Biggs [brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 2:41 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! Hello, Kindle should have them, but you won't get the Braille or descriptions for the math book. Have you checked NBP or NLS? Thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs -----Original Message----- From: Wasif, Zunaira Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 12:15 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! Obtaining textbooks in braille is a really big issue for many of my students. We should bring this to the NFB. Advocacy in this area is necessary. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gloria G Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 3:11 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! Hi, Do you have a victor stream or something like that? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! >I don't have a notetaker to download the book to, from Bookshare. > I'd prefer Braille, because of the graphs. > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of > Ashley Coleman [amc05111 at gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 11:00 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! > > Hey, go to the Learning Ally site and see if they have it. You could > also check bookshare. > Ashley > > On 8/31/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >> I thought that I had my Anatomy and Physiology book, and my Medical >> Terminology books, in audio! >> I didn't! >> All I have, are my Behavioral Health, and Healthcare Delivery books! >> The VR people that Brailled my MedTerm book, didn't do what they were >> supposed to do, so I'm having to get the worksheets, (which are out of >> the >> book,) E-mailed to me! >> How am I supposed to find the answers to my A and P homework, when I >> can't >> have an audiobook? >> The people at Learning Ally told my DSO, that they don't have it! >> The DSO won't allow my work-study to look up the answers for me, from the >> Print book, so my mom has to do it. >> There's a problem! >> She can't see well enough to do it, due to the small print! >> I'm tired of this discrimination! >> Please help! >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuae du.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmai l.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%40dbs. fldoe.org _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com Fri Aug 31 22:25:01 2012 From: brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com (Brandon Keith Biggs) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 15:25:01 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! In-Reply-To: References: , <9DA9DDA0D0CA44ED9A9B12757DEE85BC@Gloria><2D01309C2F5D5C4C93CC5DE084807DF207817CCC@DBSSOEXCHANGE.fldbs.net>, <7DE54E85AAAE43788A0F0C27AF250FDE@BrandonsLaptop2> Message-ID: Hello, I was kind of confused frankly. I guess it is because A, Kindle is not accessible directly from Amazon and B, the kindle reader isn't accessible. But other than that it is pretty easy to get HTML Kindle books. You need to download both the converter program: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/14968661/Kindle%20converter.zip and the latest accessible Kindle for PC that I believe is: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/14968661/KindleForPC-installerNew.exe There is instructions in the zip folder, first link. Please let me know if you have any questions. Oh, and note that you aren't to redistribute the HTML files once they are converted from the kindle format. They are only for personal use. Thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 2:11 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! With all due respect, Brandon, did you pay attention at this year's convention? Kendall is inaccessible! That's why the NFB is suing Amazon! Thanks, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Brandon Keith Biggs [brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 2:41 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! Hello, Kindle should have them, but you won't get the Braille or descriptions for the math book. Have you checked NBP or NLS? Thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs -----Original Message----- From: Wasif, Zunaira Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 12:15 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! Obtaining textbooks in braille is a really big issue for many of my students. We should bring this to the NFB. Advocacy in this area is necessary. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gloria G Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 3:11 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! Hi, Do you have a victor stream or something like that? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! >I don't have a notetaker to download the book to, from Bookshare. > I'd prefer Braille, because of the graphs. > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of > Ashley Coleman [amc05111 at gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 11:00 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! > > Hey, go to the Learning Ally site and see if they have it. You could > also check bookshare. > Ashley > > On 8/31/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >> I thought that I had my Anatomy and Physiology book, and my Medical >> Terminology books, in audio! >> I didn't! >> All I have, are my Behavioral Health, and Healthcare Delivery books! >> The VR people that Brailled my MedTerm book, didn't do what they were >> supposed to do, so I'm having to get the worksheets, (which are out of >> the >> book,) E-mailed to me! >> How am I supposed to find the answers to my A and P homework, when I >> can't >> have an audiobook? >> The people at Learning Ally told my DSO, that they don't have it! >> The DSO won't allow my work-study to look up the answers for me, from the >> Print book, so my mom has to do it. >> There's a problem! >> She can't see well enough to do it, due to the small print! >> I'm tired of this discrimination! >> Please help! >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuae du.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmai l.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%40dbs. fldoe.org _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Fri Aug 31 22:29:34 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 22:29:34 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! In-Reply-To: References: , <9DA9DDA0D0CA44ED9A9B12757DEE85BC@Gloria><2D01309C2F5D5C4C93CC5DE084807DF207817CCC@DBSSOEXCHANGE.fldbs.net>, <7DE54E85AAAE43788A0F0C27AF250FDE@BrandonsLaptop2> , Message-ID: Wow! I'd be better off with Blio. Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Brandon Keith Biggs [brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 5:25 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! Hello, I was kind of confused frankly. I guess it is because A, Kindle is not accessible directly from Amazon and B, the kindle reader isn't accessible. But other than that it is pretty easy to get HTML Kindle books. You need to download both the converter program: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/14968661/Kindle%20converter.zip and the latest accessible Kindle for PC that I believe is: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/14968661/KindleForPC-installerNew.exe There is instructions in the zip folder, first link. Please let me know if you have any questions. Oh, and note that you aren't to redistribute the HTML files once they are converted from the kindle format. They are only for personal use. Thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 2:11 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! With all due respect, Brandon, did you pay attention at this year's convention? Kendall is inaccessible! That's why the NFB is suing Amazon! Thanks, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Brandon Keith Biggs [brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 2:41 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! Hello, Kindle should have them, but you won't get the Braille or descriptions for the math book. Have you checked NBP or NLS? Thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs -----Original Message----- From: Wasif, Zunaira Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 12:15 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! Obtaining textbooks in braille is a really big issue for many of my students. We should bring this to the NFB. Advocacy in this area is necessary. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gloria G Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 3:11 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! Hi, Do you have a victor stream or something like that? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! >I don't have a notetaker to download the book to, from Bookshare. > I'd prefer Braille, because of the graphs. > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of > Ashley Coleman [amc05111 at gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 11:00 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! > > Hey, go to the Learning Ally site and see if they have it. You could > also check bookshare. > Ashley > > On 8/31/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >> I thought that I had my Anatomy and Physiology book, and my Medical >> Terminology books, in audio! >> I didn't! >> All I have, are my Behavioral Health, and Healthcare Delivery books! >> The VR people that Brailled my MedTerm book, didn't do what they were >> supposed to do, so I'm having to get the worksheets, (which are out of >> the >> book,) E-mailed to me! >> How am I supposed to find the answers to my A and P homework, when I >> can't >> have an audiobook? >> The people at Learning Ally told my DSO, that they don't have it! >> The DSO won't allow my work-study to look up the answers for me, from the >> Print book, so my mom has to do it. >> There's a problem! >> She can't see well enough to do it, due to the small print! >> I'm tired of this discrimination! >> Please help! >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuae du.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmai l.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%40dbs. fldoe.org _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From ignasicambra at gmail.com Fri Aug 31 22:43:59 2012 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 18:43:59 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <-414092657578146165@unknownmsgid> Joshua, I think at this point it doesn't matter what you prefer. It would be great if you could always get things the way you want them, but if Bookshare happened to have that book it would be enough for you to pass that class and forget about this problem. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 31, 2012, at 2:59 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > I don't have a notetaker to download the book to, from Bookshare. > I'd prefer Braille, because of the graphs. > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Coleman [amc05111 at gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 11:00 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! > > Hey, go to the Learning Ally site and see if they have it. You could > also check bookshare. > Ashley > > On 8/31/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >> I thought that I had my Anatomy and Physiology book, and my Medical >> Terminology books, in audio! >> I didn't! >> All I have, are my Behavioral Health, and Healthcare Delivery books! >> The VR people that Brailled my MedTerm book, didn't do what they were >> supposed to do, so I'm having to get the worksheets, (which are out of the >> book,) E-mailed to me! >> How am I supposed to find the answers to my A and P homework, when I can't >> have an audiobook? >> The people at Learning Ally told my DSO, that they don't have it! >> The DSO won't allow my work-study to look up the answers for me, from the >> Print book, so my mom has to do it. >> There's a problem! >> She can't see well enough to do it, due to the small print! >> I'm tired of this discrimination! >> Please help! >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com Fri Aug 31 22:45:28 2012 From: brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com (Brandon Keith Biggs) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 15:45:28 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! In-Reply-To: References: , <9DA9DDA0D0CA44ED9A9B12757DEE85BC@Gloria><2D01309C2F5D5C4C93CC5DE084807DF207817CCC@DBSSOEXCHANGE.fldbs.net>, <7DE54E85AAAE43788A0F0C27AF250FDE@BrandonsLaptop2>, Message-ID: <4B005DBF304B4B0FAEB09BF85397FCF0@BrandonsLaptop2> Blio does not have anything but audio books to my knowledge. I loathe audio books, so I've never used Blio. But if I'm wrong, I would really like to know! Thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 3:29 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! Wow! I'd be better off with Blio. Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Brandon Keith Biggs [brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 5:25 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! Hello, I was kind of confused frankly. I guess it is because A, Kindle is not accessible directly from Amazon and B, the kindle reader isn't accessible. But other than that it is pretty easy to get HTML Kindle books. You need to download both the converter program: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/14968661/Kindle%20converter.zip and the latest accessible Kindle for PC that I believe is: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/14968661/KindleForPC-installerNew.exe There is instructions in the zip folder, first link. Please let me know if you have any questions. Oh, and note that you aren't to redistribute the HTML files once they are converted from the kindle format. They are only for personal use. Thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 2:11 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! With all due respect, Brandon, did you pay attention at this year's convention? Kendall is inaccessible! That's why the NFB is suing Amazon! Thanks, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Brandon Keith Biggs [brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 2:41 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! Hello, Kindle should have them, but you won't get the Braille or descriptions for the math book. Have you checked NBP or NLS? Thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs -----Original Message----- From: Wasif, Zunaira Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 12:15 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! Obtaining textbooks in braille is a really big issue for many of my students. We should bring this to the NFB. Advocacy in this area is necessary. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gloria G Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 3:11 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! Hi, Do you have a victor stream or something like that? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! >I don't have a notetaker to download the book to, from Bookshare. > I'd prefer Braille, because of the graphs. > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of > Ashley Coleman [amc05111 at gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 11:00 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! > > Hey, go to the Learning Ally site and see if they have it. You could > also check bookshare. > Ashley > > On 8/31/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >> I thought that I had my Anatomy and Physiology book, and my Medical >> Terminology books, in audio! >> I didn't! >> All I have, are my Behavioral Health, and Healthcare Delivery books! >> The VR people that Brailled my MedTerm book, didn't do what they were >> supposed to do, so I'm having to get the worksheets, (which are out of >> the >> book,) E-mailed to me! >> How am I supposed to find the answers to my A and P homework, when I >> can't >> have an audiobook? >> The people at Learning Ally told my DSO, that they don't have it! >> The DSO won't allow my work-study to look up the answers for me, from the >> Print book, so my mom has to do it. >> There's a problem! >> She can't see well enough to do it, due to the small print! >> I'm tired of this discrimination! >> Please help! >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuae du.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmai l.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%40dbs. fldoe.org _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com From ignasicambra at gmail.com Fri Aug 31 22:48:16 2012 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 18:48:16 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! In-Reply-To: References: <9DA9DDA0D0CA44ED9A9B12757DEE85BC@Gloria> <2D01309C2F5D5C4C93CC5DE084807DF207817CCC@DBSSOEXCHANGE.fldbs.net> <7DE54E85AAAE43788A0F0C27AF250FDE@BrandonsLaptop2> Message-ID: <7091686317014830707@unknownmsgid> I believe the Kindle application for Windows is accessible. I might be wrong though... Maybe it works fine under Mac OS X or maybe both? Kindle devices are inaccessible though. That's a different story. In any case if your book is available from the Kindle store you should be able to use your laptop to read it. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 31, 2012, at 5:21 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > With all due respect, Brandon, did you pay attention at this year's convention? > Kendall is inaccessible! > That's why the NFB is suing Amazon! > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Brandon Keith Biggs [brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 2:41 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! > > Hello, > Kindle should have them, but you won't get the Braille or descriptions for > the math book. > Have you checked NBP or NLS? > Thanks, > > Brandon Keith Biggs > -----Original Message----- > From: Wasif, Zunaira > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 12:15 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! > > Obtaining textbooks in braille is a really big issue for many of my > students. We should bring this to the NFB. Advocacy in this area is > necessary. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Gloria G > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 3:11 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! > > Hi, > Do you have a victor stream or something like that? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 1:58 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! > > >> I don't have a notetaker to download the book to, from Bookshare. >> I'd prefer Braille, because of the graphs. >> Thanks, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf > of >> Ashley Coleman [amc05111 at gmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 11:00 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! >> >> Hey, go to the Learning Ally site and see if they have it. You could >> also check bookshare. >> Ashley >> >> On 8/31/12, Joshua Lester > wrote: >>> I thought that I had my Anatomy and Physiology book, and my Medical >>> Terminology books, in audio! >>> I didn't! >>> All I have, are my Behavioral Health, and Healthcare Delivery books! >>> The VR people that Brailled my MedTerm book, didn't do what they were >>> supposed to do, so I'm having to get the worksheets, (which are out > of >>> the >>> book,) E-mailed to me! >>> How am I supposed to find the answers to my A and P homework, when I >>> can't >>> have an audiobook? >>> The people at Learning Ally told my DSO, that they don't have it! >>> The DSO won't allow my work-study to look up the answers for me, from > the >>> Print book, so my mom has to do it. >>> There's a problem! >>> She can't see well enough to do it, due to the small print! >>> I'm tired of this discrimination! >>> Please help! >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuae > du.onmicrosoft.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmai > l.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%40dbs. > fldoe.org > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Fri Aug 31 22:49:01 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 22:49:01 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! In-Reply-To: <4B005DBF304B4B0FAEB09BF85397FCF0@BrandonsLaptop2> References: , <9DA9DDA0D0CA44ED9A9B12757DEE85BC@Gloria><2D01309C2F5D5C4C93CC5DE084807DF207817CCC@DBSSOEXCHANGE.fldbs.net>, <7DE54E85AAAE43788A0F0C27AF250FDE@BrandonsLaptop2>, , <4B005DBF304B4B0FAEB09BF85397FCF0@BrandonsLaptop2> Message-ID: Well, audio is all I can get, since Rehab won't help me get a Braille display. Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Brandon Keith Biggs [brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 5:45 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! Blio does not have anything but audio books to my knowledge. I loathe audio books, so I've never used Blio. But if I'm wrong, I would really like to know! Thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 3:29 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! Wow! I'd be better off with Blio. Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Brandon Keith Biggs [brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 5:25 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! Hello, I was kind of confused frankly. I guess it is because A, Kindle is not accessible directly from Amazon and B, the kindle reader isn't accessible. But other than that it is pretty easy to get HTML Kindle books. You need to download both the converter program: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/14968661/Kindle%20converter.zip and the latest accessible Kindle for PC that I believe is: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/14968661/KindleForPC-installerNew.exe There is instructions in the zip folder, first link. Please let me know if you have any questions. Oh, and note that you aren't to redistribute the HTML files once they are converted from the kindle format. They are only for personal use. Thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 2:11 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! With all due respect, Brandon, did you pay attention at this year's convention? Kendall is inaccessible! That's why the NFB is suing Amazon! Thanks, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Brandon Keith Biggs [brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 2:41 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! Hello, Kindle should have them, but you won't get the Braille or descriptions for the math book. Have you checked NBP or NLS? Thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs -----Original Message----- From: Wasif, Zunaira Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 12:15 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! Obtaining textbooks in braille is a really big issue for many of my students. We should bring this to the NFB. Advocacy in this area is necessary. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gloria G Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 3:11 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! Hi, Do you have a victor stream or something like that? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! >I don't have a notetaker to download the book to, from Bookshare. > I'd prefer Braille, because of the graphs. > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of > Ashley Coleman [amc05111 at gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 11:00 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! > > Hey, go to the Learning Ally site and see if they have it. You could > also check bookshare. > Ashley > > On 8/31/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >> I thought that I had my Anatomy and Physiology book, and my Medical >> Terminology books, in audio! >> I didn't! >> All I have, are my Behavioral Health, and Healthcare Delivery books! >> The VR people that Brailled my MedTerm book, didn't do what they were >> supposed to do, so I'm having to get the worksheets, (which are out of >> the >> book,) E-mailed to me! >> How am I supposed to find the answers to my A and P homework, when I >> can't >> have an audiobook? >> The people at Learning Ally told my DSO, that they don't have it! >> The DSO won't allow my work-study to look up the answers for me, from the >> Print book, so my mom has to do it. >> There's a problem! >> She can't see well enough to do it, due to the small print! >> I'm tired of this discrimination! >> Please help! >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuae du.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmai l.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%40dbs. fldoe.org _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com Fri Aug 31 22:52:30 2012 From: brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com (Brandon Keith Biggs) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 15:52:30 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! In-Reply-To: <7091686317014830707@unknownmsgid> References: <9DA9DDA0D0CA44ED9A9B12757DEE85BC@Gloria><2D01309C2F5D5C4C93CC5DE084807DF207817CCC@DBSSOEXCHANGE.fldbs.net><7DE54E85AAAE43788A0F0C27AF250FDE@BrandonsLaptop2> <7091686317014830707@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: You can do that, or spend the 2 mins to convert it to HTML, then put it on the device or format of your choice. Thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs -----Original Message----- From: Ignasi Cambra Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 3:48 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! I believe the Kindle application for Windows is accessible. I might be wrong though... Maybe it works fine under Mac OS X or maybe both? Kindle devices are inaccessible though. That's a different story. In any case if your book is available from the Kindle store you should be able to use your laptop to read it. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 31, 2012, at 5:21 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > With all due respect, Brandon, did you pay attention at this year's > convention? > Kendall is inaccessible! > That's why the NFB is suing Amazon! > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of > Brandon Keith Biggs [brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 2:41 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! > > Hello, > Kindle should have them, but you won't get the Braille or descriptions for > the math book. > Have you checked NBP or NLS? > Thanks, > > Brandon Keith Biggs > -----Original Message----- > From: Wasif, Zunaira > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 12:15 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! > > Obtaining textbooks in braille is a really big issue for many of my > students. We should bring this to the NFB. Advocacy in this area is > necessary. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Gloria G > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 3:11 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! > > Hi, > Do you have a victor stream or something like that? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 1:58 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! > > >> I don't have a notetaker to download the book to, from Bookshare. >> I'd prefer Braille, because of the graphs. >> Thanks, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf > of >> Ashley Coleman [amc05111 at gmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 11:00 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! >> >> Hey, go to the Learning Ally site and see if they have it. You could >> also check bookshare. >> Ashley >> >> On 8/31/12, Joshua Lester > wrote: >>> I thought that I had my Anatomy and Physiology book, and my Medical >>> Terminology books, in audio! >>> I didn't! >>> All I have, are my Behavioral Health, and Healthcare Delivery books! >>> The VR people that Brailled my MedTerm book, didn't do what they were >>> supposed to do, so I'm having to get the worksheets, (which are out > of >>> the >>> book,) E-mailed to me! >>> How am I supposed to find the answers to my A and P homework, when I >>> can't >>> have an audiobook? >>> The people at Learning Ally told my DSO, that they don't have it! >>> The DSO won't allow my work-study to look up the answers for me, from > the >>> Print book, so my mom has to do it. >>> There's a problem! >>> She can't see well enough to do it, due to the small print! >>> I'm tired of this discrimination! >>> Please help! >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuae > du.onmicrosoft.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmai > l.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%40dbs. > fldoe.org > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com From brice.smith319 at gmail.com Fri Aug 31 23:49:10 2012 From: brice.smith319 at gmail.com (Brice Smith) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 19:49:10 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! In-Reply-To: References: <9DA9DDA0D0CA44ED9A9B12757DEE85BC@Gloria> <2D01309C2F5D5C4C93CC5DE084807DF207817CCC@DBSSOEXCHANGE.fldbs.net> <7DE54E85AAAE43788A0F0C27AF250FDE@BrandonsLaptop2> <4B005DBF304B4B0FAEB09BF85397FCF0@BrandonsLaptop2> Message-ID: <-2147439724726695908@unknownmsgid> Joshua, Your inability to be flexible is hurting you. Why can't you download the book as an etext file and read with your screen reader? It might not be your preference, but you need to pass the class. You have various options for doing so but you will never succeed if you aren't willing to think creatively and problem solve to find a solution that let's you get your work done.. This applies to everything, not just schoolwork. You must learn to control the problem and not let the problem control you. On Aug 31, 2012, at 6:51 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > Well, audio is all I can get, since Rehab won't help me get a Braille display. > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Brandon Keith Biggs [brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 5:45 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! > > Blio does not have anything but audio books to my knowledge. I loathe audio > books, so I've never used Blio. But if I'm wrong, I would really like to > know! > Thanks, > > Brandon Keith Biggs > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 3:29 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! > > Wow! > I'd be better off with Blio. > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of > Brandon Keith Biggs [brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 5:25 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! > > Hello, > I was kind of confused frankly. I guess it is because A, Kindle is not > accessible directly from Amazon and B, the kindle reader isn't accessible. > But other than that it is pretty easy to get HTML Kindle books. You need to > download both the converter program: > https://dl.dropbox.com/u/14968661/Kindle%20converter.zip > and the latest accessible Kindle for PC that I believe is: > https://dl.dropbox.com/u/14968661/KindleForPC-installerNew.exe > There is instructions in the zip folder, first link. Please let me know if > you have any questions. > Oh, and note that you aren't to redistribute the HTML files once they are > converted from the kindle format. They are only for personal use. > Thanks, > > Brandon Keith Biggs > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 2:11 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! > > With all due respect, Brandon, did you pay attention at this year's > convention? > Kendall is inaccessible! > That's why the NFB is suing Amazon! > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of > Brandon Keith Biggs [brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 2:41 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! > > Hello, > Kindle should have them, but you won't get the Braille or descriptions for > the math book. > Have you checked NBP or NLS? > Thanks, > > Brandon Keith Biggs > -----Original Message----- > From: Wasif, Zunaira > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 12:15 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! > > Obtaining textbooks in braille is a really big issue for many of my > students. We should bring this to the NFB. Advocacy in this area is > necessary. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Gloria G > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 3:11 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! > > Hi, > Do you have a victor stream or something like that? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 1:58 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! > > >> I don't have a notetaker to download the book to, from Bookshare. >> I'd prefer Braille, because of the graphs. >> Thanks, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf > of >> Ashley Coleman [amc05111 at gmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 11:00 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrated with school! >> >> Hey, go to the Learning Ally site and see if they have it. You could >> also check bookshare. >> Ashley >> >> On 8/31/12, Joshua Lester > wrote: >>> I thought that I had my Anatomy and Physiology book, and my Medical >>> Terminology books, in audio! >>> I didn't! >>> All I have, are my Behavioral Health, and Healthcare Delivery books! >>> The VR people that Brailled my MedTerm book, didn't do what they were >>> supposed to do, so I'm having to get the worksheets, (which are out > of >>> the >>> book,) E-mailed to me! >>> How am I supposed to find the answers to my A and P homework, when I >>> can't >>> have an audiobook? >>> The people at Learning Ally told my DSO, that they don't have it! >>> The DSO won't allow my work-study to look up the answers for me, from > the >>> Print book, so my mom has to do it. >>> There's a problem! >>> She can't see well enough to do it, due to the small print! >>> I'm tired of this discrimination! >>> Please help! >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuae > du.onmicrosoft.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmai > l.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%40dbs. > fldoe.org > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brice.smith319%40gmail.com