[nabs-l] Job Hunting

Tue Aug 7 23:02:15 UTC 2012

Hi,
I think that JAWS in demo mode can be used, although you would have to 
restart the computer every 40 minutes. There is also NVDA now, however, that 
would be a free option and can also be used on a flash drive so that it will 
not have to be directly installed on the computers in the workplace. I agree 
with Arielle that a lot of jobs don't require having a Braille display. When 
I served with AmeriCorps working with immigrants to help them learn English 
and Health Literacy, the only thing I used was my netbook with Windows XP 
and JAWS 10 on it, so I did everything with just speech. I also have done 
some grammatical proofreading using just speech without a Braille display.
Thanks,

Misty
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arielle Silverman" <arielle71 at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting

>I think it depends on the job; I have had a few different summer jobs
> and internships where a Braille notetaker was not required, just
> access to a PC. Braille displays are important devices and they
> definitely assist with certain types of work, but there are plenty of
> jobs we can do with merely a computer with speech output.
> Also, when I was in high school I worked two different summer
> internships using JAWS in demo mode, which meant neither my employer
> nor I had to pay a dime. I'm not sure if this is an option anymore or
> if JAWS only allows demo mode for a few days, but if it is an option
> to run JAWS in demo mode for a month or two, it may be a viable
> option.
> I would just add that in this economy it is tough for everyone, not
> just blind folks, to find work. I know at least a few sighted people
> who have spent months or even years looking for work, so if you're not
> hired, it may not be due to blindness. Gloria, if you'd be willing to
> share some of the specific issues your potential employers raised
> about how you would do the work, I might have some suggestions for
> ways to get around any barriers although it sounds like you are going
> about things the right way. What kinds of activities are you hoping to
> do with the at-risk youth and what specific things are the employers
> worried about?
> Arielle
>
> On 8/7/12, Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Strange. My vr got my apex bt32 for me with no complaints.
>>
>> Aleeha Dudley
>> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students
>> Changing what it means to be blind
>>
>> On Aug 7, 2012, at 5:08 PM, Joshua Lester 
>> <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I talked to HumanWare about the Braille Note Apex.
>>> They said, since Rehab wouldn't buy anything over $6000, that if you
>>> bought a Braille Note Apex, with an 18 cell display, for $4000, you
>>> could then upgrade to a 32 cell, for $1600.
>>> That's Rehab's job.
>>> They should help you, if you're either in school, or working.
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 8/7/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> Joshua,
>>>> Most people need more than jaws on the job; a braille display and a
>>>> notetaker are often needed.
>>>> When you look for work, you will find how expensive technology is and
>>>> that
>>>> your employer is hesitant to hire you and buy it when they can hire
>>>> sighted
>>>>
>>>> people with no accomodation purchases.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 9:43 AM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting
>>>>
>>>> Hi, Hope.
>>>> What assistive technology would you need, that would be expensive?
>>>> Who needs Jaws, when there's NVDA, which is free?
>>>> Just a suggestion.
>>>> Thanks, Joshua
>>>>
>>>> On 8/7/12, Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi there. I received my degree in secondary education with
>>>>> concentration
>>>>> in
>>>>> Spanish and another in modern languages focusing in Spanish and 
>>>>> German.
>>>>> I've
>>>>> decided though, that I do not want to teach. I would rather be a
>>>>> vocational
>>>>> rehabilitation counselor. I know that if I work at my state agency, I
>>>>> can
>>>>> receive funding assistance with the grant provided by our essay. I'm
>>>>> hoping
>>>>> to go that route and obtain my masters degree. Unfortunately, public
>>>>> schools
>>>>> are also places of discrimination. It is very unlikely that they would
>>>>> hire
>>>>> totally blind individual to teach a high school Spanish class without
>>>>> concerns. They would need to hire an Ed Tech and also there are some
>>>>> specific assistive to technology that I would need that is very
>>>>> expensive.
>>>>> For example, Braille display, et cetera.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 6, 2012, at 10:19 PM, "Ashley Bramlett"
>>>>> <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope,
>>>>>> Are you working? If not, what is your area of study? I thought you
>>>>>> were
>>>>>> studying to be a Spanish teacher or something.
>>>>>> I saw you on the nobe list, so I know you want to teach.
>>>>>> Its too bad they did what they did to you. Discrimination is live and
>>>>>> well
>>>>>> around here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Hope Paulos
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 9:18 PM
>>>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I couldn't agree more. Well said!!! There was an instance where I had
>>>>>> applied for an interpreter work-at-home position and I had the skills
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> passed the language part of the interview with flying colors. As soon
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> mentioned I was blind I was told that I couldn't use  a computer to
>>>>>> take
>>>>>> notes, but sighted people could use pencils. I was told I wouldn't be
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> good
>>>>>> fit because I had to take breaks to take my dog outside. It was
>>>>>> blatent
>>>>>> discrimination. Needless to say I filed a complaint with department 
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> justice and they got  called out. I don't think they'll be doing
>>>>>> anything
>>>>>> like that again. Just keep advocating!!
>>>>>> Hope
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>> Of Gloria G
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 9:05 PM
>>>>>> To: Misty Dawn Bradley; National Association of Blind Students 
>>>>>> mailing
>>>>>> list
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> What I find interesting is the organizations that provide services to
>>>>>> persons with disabilities and tell the clients they can do whatever
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> put
>>>>>> their minds to as long as they work hard and advicate for themselves,
>>>>>> turn
>>>>>> away a blind person because they feel we are unable to complete 
>>>>>> tasks.
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Misty Dawn Bradley" <mistydbradley at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:49 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> I also ran into the same issue when applying for a full-time 
>>>>>>> position
>>>>>>> with AmeriCorps. The people conducting the interview kept 
>>>>>>> emphasizing
>>>>>>> the paperwork, and I tried to explain that there are ways that I
>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>> do the paperwork, but I still did not get the position. It surprised
>>>>>>> me, because I worked in that same office and turned in all reports
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> paperwork on time, although I had a different supervisor and it was 
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> different program. I think part of it was that I did not have
>>>>>>> experience in the area of the position, but I also think part of it
>>>>>>> was the paperwork, because that point was emphasized indirectly
>>>>>>> during
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>> interview.
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Misty
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Gloria G" <gloria.graves at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:41 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>> I am not offended or anything by the questions that are asked. I am
>>>>>>>> just upset that I am not given a chance. It is almost as if the
>>>>>>>> employer has decided what I can and can not do the minute I walk in
>>>>>>>> the door with my cane.
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "David Dodge" <daviddod at buffalo.edu>
>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:36 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Gloria,
>>>>>>>>> It definitely sounds like you are going about things the right 
>>>>>>>>> way.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I would try not to get discouraged or be concerned by the 
>>>>>>>>> questions
>>>>>>>>> the interviewer is asking. It is definitely not a bad thing for a
>>>>>>>>> blind person to help a sighted person better understand how the
>>>>>>>>> employment would work.
>>>>>>>>> Think of it as an opportunity for you to advocate and teach the
>>>>>>>>> potential employer something.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The best that can be done is what you are doing - honestly
>>>>>>>>> answering
>>>>>>>>> questions and explaining things.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> David Dodge
>>>>>>>>> Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson English
>>>>>>>>> Major
>>>>>>>>> University at Buffalo
>>>>>>>>> 306 Clemens Hall
>>>>>>>>> Buffalo, NY 14260
>>>>>>>>> daviddod at buffalo.edu
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Hope,
>>>>>>>>>> Did you go to get your masters in rehab counseling? I have also
>>>>>>>>>> thought of getting a masters in rehab counseling.
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos"
>>>>>>>>>> <hope.paulos at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" <
>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:16 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No. I'm currently hunting for a job as well. I just answered them
>>>>>>>>>> as you
>>>>>>>>>>> do,
>>>>>>>>>>> explaining how I would do certain things and giving examples. I
>>>>>>>>>>> applied for a vocational rehabilitation counselor I. position 
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> I would be working with individuals with disabilities as well as
>>>>>>>>>>> mental  health diagnoses.
>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing offends me so they can ask any question they want
>>>>>>>>>>> regarding my blindness. It's just a matter of overcoming the
>>>>>>>>>>> stereotypes put on us by people who don't know what we really 
>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>> do.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org<nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org>]
>>>>>>>>>>> On Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>> Of Gloria G
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:13 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Hope,
>>>>>>>>>>> Do you currently work? If so how did you get around those
>>>>>>>>>>> questions?
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos"
>>>>>>>>>>> <hope.paulos at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>>>>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 6:52 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job Hunting
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Gloria. I think you're taking the right approach. I always
>>>>>>>>>>> disclose my
>>>>>>>>>>>> blindness (it's hard for them not to see  that I'm blind 
>>>>>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>>>>>> of my guide dog). I'd just continue to advocate for yourself as
>>>>>>>>>>>> far as working with at risk youth.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hope
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org<nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org>]
>>>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>>> Of Gloria G
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:24 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Job Hunting
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>> I was wondering how do you handle interviews when the talk of
>>>>>>>>>>>> blindness comes up? I have had some interviews and in some 
>>>>>>>>>>>> cases
>>>>>>>>>>>> the interviewer does not bring up my blindness, but I know it 
>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>> something that is very noticable as soon as I walk in the door.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>> try to remain calm and answer the questions that pertain to the
>>>>>>>>>>>> position I am applying for and I discuss how I would handle
>>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>>> tasks despite my blindness. There are those interviewers who
>>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>> come right out and ask how I am going to complete the task
>>>>>>>>>>>> required of me as a blind person. I answer and give examples of
>>>>>>>>>>>> how I would complete the tasks. I guess I should have started
>>>>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>>>> by saying I am a psychology and sociology double major and want
>>>>>>>>>>>> to work with at risk youth as a counselor.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Because I do not yet have my degree I am trying to gain as much
>>>>>>>>>>>> experience as possible because this is what future employers
>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>> be looking for, but the problem I run into is there are many
>>>>>>>>>>>> organizations that work with at risk youth in the town I live
>>>>>>>>>>>> in,
>>>>>>>>>>>> but there is always the question of how I am going to work with
>>>>>>>>>>>> the youth as a blind person. I have also thought of doing any
>>>>>>>>>>>> work that envolved providing services to youth, women, families
>>>>>>>>>>>> such as, homeless shelters and things of that nature. I am just
>>>>>>>>>>>> feeling defeated at this point, because every door I have 
>>>>>>>>>>>> opened
>>>>>>>>>>>> has closed shut in my face, and it only seems to be due to me
>>>>>>>>>>>> being blind. I just want someone to give me a chance because I
>>>>>>>>>>>> know I can do the work.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
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