[nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants

Lavonya Gardner hotdancer1416 at gmail.com
Thu Aug 16 15:32:45 UTC 2012


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On Aug 12, 2012, at 21:16, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:

> Ashley,
>  I think most of us have experienced this frustration, to a certain
> degree.  We all have our own ways of dealing with it; I'll tell you
> what I try and do because, mostly, it works for me.  I'm not trying to
> shove "rebellious independence" down your throat, I'm not saying what
> works for me will necessarily work for you, but I am saying that I've
> learned I don't need to have someone there every step of the way
> guiding me.
>  First, I like to hold my tray in one hand and my cane in the other.
> This takes practice, I'm still not a pro at it, but after learning and
> trying the technique for a while I've figured out how to hold a tray,
> a drink, and a cane all fairly comfortably.  LIke I said, it takes
> some getting used to and it doesn't come over night; it took months at
> a training center for me to become halfway competent doing it, but it
> works for me.  This does, however, mean I'm not taking somebody's arm
> if I'm doing it that way.  Of course I have someone help me get my
> dang drink when I order (I suppose I could just randomly test all the
> drinks until I stumbled upon the right one, but I'm having a hard time
> fathoming why the hell anybody would want to do that), but I don't
> really have to go that far out of the way.  In fact, most of the time,
> the person behind the counter offers to just take my drink and fill it
> for me; I usually politely refuse and ask the kindhearted worker to
> show me what button I have to push to get the drink I want.  In the
> rare event the cashier just hands me my cup without offering to help
> (very rare indeed), I listen to where I hear ice clinking in to cups
> and walk over that way.  Nine times out of ten, (maybe even nineteen
> out of twenty) someone is there and I can just ask that person to help
> me know what drink is what.
>  As for finding a table, I often just walk around until I bump in to
> one with my cane.  I can usually hear where people are sitting and
> eating, so I'm not just wandering aimlessly.  If I can't find one (or
> if someone finds me first), I'll ask to be pointed towards an empty
> table and I'll walk in the direction I'm pointed until I find a place
> to sit.  If someone decides to grab me and take me to an open seat,
> I'll either make a fool of myself telling the person I'm really ok and
> I can find it or, sometimes, I just ask them to walk a couple steps in
> front of me and guide me that way.  I usually don't like someone
> taking my arm unless that person is a close friend who I know I can
> trust; there are, however, a few acceptions to this rule.  (I just
> showed up to the airport with minutes to spare before my flight home;
> I had no problem taking the arm of a stranger because I didn't know
> the area and I didn't have the time to figure it out.)
>  As far as asking for help goes, I do it all the time!  Usually, if
> I'm eating a meal in a food court by myself and I'm done, I'll try and
> find somebody if I couldn't hear people throwing things away.  (most
> of the time I can't; I'm not that skilled yet! :))  Anyways, that
> person could either be someone I hear talking at a table or someone
> behind the counter at a restaurant.  I'll say something like "would
> you mind pointing me to the nearest garbage?"  If they offer to take
> my trash for me, I usually thank them and let them take it.  If they
> do what I asked and point me, then off I go, usually with people
> giving me directions as I go if I can't find the dang thing.  (which
> is happening less and less, thanks to some fantastic training.)
>  But, most importantly, don't stress about it!  If you feel really
> awkward, chances are it'll show and the people around you will feel
> even more awkward in kind.  If, however, you are confident and
> enjoying yourself, however you choose to do it, people will generally
> be more responsive and helpful.
>  Oh, one last thing that I learned in training.  (I feel like an
> idiot for not thinking of this before)  If you aren't sure where
> someone is directing you, point to where you think it is.  That way
> people will be able to confirm that you are right or just move your
> hand so you're pointing in the right way.  That also works, sometimes,
> when people seem to not feel comfortable giving you directions.
> Simply point somewhere (even somewhere random if you have no clue) and
> ask, with a smile, "you mean that way?"  Then, all of a sudden, people
> know how to explain it to you.
>  I hope I'm not coming off as dedactic or self-rightious.  I don't
> intend to.  I guess alll I'm trying to say is I've found a way that
> works for me, find one that works for you (whatever it is)and enjoy
> yourself!  That is, after all, the point.  Right?
>  Best,
> Kirt
> 
> On 8/12/12, David Dodge <daviddod at buffalo.edu> wrote:
>> It makes a great deal of sense. However, I would argue that immediate help
>> is rarely as valuable or enduring as that help which takes time.
>> 
>> David
>> ----------------------------------
>> David Dodge
>> Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson
>> English Major
>> University at Buffalo
>> 306 Clemens Hall
>> Buffalo, NY 14260
>> daviddod at buffalo.edu
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 8:37 PM, Carly Mihalakis
>> <carlymih at comcast.net>wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi, David,
>>> 
>>> It is true, we do help  when we are able, like by widening people's
>>> threshholds, and convictions, and expanding what is believed to be
>>> possible, yet, the ways in which we are able to help, often are not as
>>> immediate as the kind of momentary,  on-the-spot,help from which we are
>>> likely to benefit. Does that happened to make any kind of sense?wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Thanks, Carly. But, I would even say our chances to help others are more
>>>> than just few. Everyone has talents and knowledge and we are responsible
>>>> for using them to help ourselves and others just like anyone else.
>>>> 
>>>> David
>>>> ------------------------------**----
>>>> David Dodge
>>>> Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson
>>>> English Major
>>>> University at Buffalo
>>>> 306 Clemens Hall
>>>> Buffalo, NY 14260
>>>> daviddod at buffalo.edu
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 8:10 PM, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net
>>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Glad to see David's approach to giving, and receiving, assistance
>>>>> seems
>>>> a
>>>>> bit healthier. Because, it is true, Ashley, in cases in which we are
>>>> able
>>>>> to help which granted, are few, we do it gladly. When sighted people
>>>>> see
>>>>> the blind person struggling o do what he routinely takes for granted,
>>>>> instinctively, a first thing they wanna do is lend a hand. It's part
>>>>> of
>>>>> being a member of society.
>>>>> Fact is, you are lacking same access to the senses as everyone else,
>>>>> that's a fact. So, one would argue, there's nothing whatsoever wrong
>>>> with
>>>>> accepting help, once in a while. Remember, ol' Sighty cares not about
>>>> your
>>>>> motives for proving yourself by being completely, solo in this here
>>>> world.
>>>>> Dodge wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Try to feel grateful and not bad about asking people for help when
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> give it to you. After all, people ask you for help in different
>>>> situations
>>>>>> and you kindly give it to them too right?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> David
>>>>>> ------------------------------****----
>>>>>> David Dodge
>>>>>> Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson
>>>>>> English Major
>>>>>> University at Buffalo
>>>>>> 306 Clemens Hall
>>>>>> Buffalo, NY 14260
>>>>>> daviddod at buffalo.edu
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Ashley Bramlett
>>>>>> <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>****wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> true, I find other customers help me. I kind of feel bad about
>>>>>>> asking
>>>>>>> though and like it when they ask me first.
>>>>>>> I feel by asking, I'm kind of obligating them to help before going
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> their table or carrying their food away.
>>>>>>> Oh, well, I need the help.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Carly Mihalakis
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 7:23 PM
>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; National
>>>>>>> Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi, Ashley,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>        If the personel behind the counter are
>>>>>>> too busy to help, other customers are often also
>>>>>>> more than happy to grab you a napkin or throw
>>>>>>> away your garbage./12/2012, Ashley Bramlett wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi carley, In food courts, that is not always my experience.
>>>>>>>> Perhaps
>>>>>> its
>>>>>>>> where I live. Like you, I may plan ahead about the menu thing. For
>>>> the
>>>>>>>> drinks thing, they do help me if I ask for it, but they seem busy
>>>> and
>>>>>> I may
>>>>>>>> have to wait a few minutes. The staff are busy taking orders,
>>>> filling
>>>>>> them,
>>>>>>>> and taking money from customers. Often, they just seem too busy to
>>>> help
>>>>>>>> out; so, a friendly customer in line offers to assist me and I
>>>>>>>> take
>>>> it.
>>>>>>>> They read the drink options and I pick one I want. Some places
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>> bottle
>>>>>>>> drinks and I find these easier. In this case, they can just hand
>>>>>>>> me
>>>> the
>>>>>>>> bottle as they hand me the food too. I'm glad you have found the
>>>> staff
>>>>>>>> helpful because they should be as an accomodation. Ashley
>>>> -----Original
>>>>>>>> Message----- From: Carly Mihalakis Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012
>>>> 7:02
>>>>>> PM
>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject:
>>>>>>>> Re:
>>>>>>>> [nabs-l] food courts and counter restaurants Hi, Ashley, If I know
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>> be visiting a particular restaurant who has their menu Online, I
>>>>>> definitely
>>>>>>>> read it, selecting what sounds good ahead of time. If such a menu
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>> available I just ask the folks behind the counter, or on the floor
>>>> to
>>>>>> read
>>>>>>>> it. As for the food court, the host personnel who seat me, are
>>>> usually
>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>> than happy to help out by carrying, even getting the drink. After
>>>> all,
>>>>>>>> that's what there there for right? CarHi all, Food courts are
>>>> crowded
>>>>>> noisy
>>>>>>>> places. They hand you the food on a tray. But often the customer
>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>> to get
>>>>>>>> their own drink from a row of drink spickits. I am talking about
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>> row of
>>>>>>>> them where the cups are at the end and the drinks are gotten by
>>>>>> pressing
>>>>>>>> something to release the liquid. So any tips on them?  How do you
>>>> deal
>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> these drink areas? Does someone help you? I suppose you could
>>>> memorize
>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> if you went there before. How do you find an empty table since
>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>> hands
>>>>>>>> are full with the tray, unless you ask someone to carry it for
>>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>> Then,
>>>>>>>> how do you find the trashcan? Do you explore where the trashcans
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>> before
>>>>>>>> you get your food? Do you ask someone to read the menu to you
>>>>>>>> while
>>>> in
>>>>>>>> line, or do it beforehand? Some venues have their menu online
>>>>>>>> which
>>>> I
>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>> if possible; other times they don̢۪t. Next, how do you deal with
>>>>>>>> restestaurants requiring you to order at the counter and pick it
>>>>>>>> up
>>>> at
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> counter? A fast food place usually gives you the food right there
>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> counter. You do not  sit and wait. So that isn̢۪t an issue. If I
>>>>>> have to
>>>>>>>> say, waiwait for fries, I do so right at the counter, as anyone
>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>> would.
>>>>>>>> Restaurants where you do this include: Johnny Rockets in some
>>>> locations
>>>>>>>> deli places such as Philadelphia mikes Fudruckers Corner Bakery
>>>>>>>> How
>>>> do
>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> find the counter and locate your seat? For me, I̢۪m not good at
>>>>>>>> revreversing routes, and all tables look the same! I̢۪m am
>>>>>>>> asking
>>>>>> since I
>>>>>>>> may order at such a restaurant with a blind friend and could use
>>>> some
>>>>>> tips
>>>>>>>> on this. Thanks. Ashley ______________________________****
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