[nabs-l] ID Cards
Tyron Bratcher
tmbratcher1999 at yahoo.com
Thu Aug 30 21:42:59 UTC 2012
As far as ID's go, there are some things that you really do need to have a state ID or some other kind of official government issued ID with your picture on it in order to do
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1. Re: turnitin.com (Zach)
2. Re: turnitin.com (Nathan Clark)
3. Re: Taking notes with a laptop when reading textbooks
(Danielle Sykora)
4. Re: ID's and Voting (Arielle Silverman)
5. ID cards (Beth)
6. Re: ID cards (Arielle Silverman)
7. Re: ID cards (Beth)
8. Re: ID cards (Ashley Bramlett)
9. Re: ID cards (Beth)
10. Re: ID's and Voting (Desiree Oudinot)
11. Re: Taking a Course in Chinese (Ben J Bloomgren)
12. FW: Brown, Goldstein & Levy 2013 Disability Rights Fellowship
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 12:32:58 -0600
From: "Zach" <zach2012 at chickerland.com>
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I have used this and it is somewhat accessible. Am using it now for freshman
college literature.
Zach Griego-Dreicer
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From: Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 5:12 PM
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Subject: [nabs-l] turnitin.com
Hi everyone,
Today was our first day of classes, and my English/Freshman
Seminar teacher informed us today that she uses the Web site
TurnItIn.com to turn in certain assignments, particularly
long-term projects and essays. Has anybody on this list used
this Web site to turn in work to your teachers? If so, how
accessible is it with JAWS? If it is accessible, how do I use
this site with JAWS to turn in work? By the way, in the event
that this Web site is inaccessible, I've already talked with my
teacher and she gave me permission to email projects usually
turned in on turnitin.com to her.
Thanks in advance,
Chris
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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 16:47:33 -0400
From: Nathan Clark <troubleclark at gmail.com>
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Dear Chris,
At Carroll Community College, Turnit in is a mandatory site to be used
by all teachers and departments. So to answer your question I have
used it but it isn't all that great of a site for Jaws users.
Sincerely,
Nathan Clark
PS: how is high school mister Chris?
On 8/29/12, Zach <zach2012 at chickerland.com> wrote:
> I have used this and it is somewhat accessible. Am using it now for freshman
>
> college literature.
>
>
>
> Zach Griego-Dreicer
> Email: zach2012 at chickerland.com
> Skype and Twitter: Chickerland
> Facebook profile: http://www.facebook.com/chickerland or find me using this
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> email address.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Nusbaum
> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 5:12 PM
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> Cc: jsotwel at carrollk12.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] turnitin.com
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Today was our first day of classes, and my English/Freshman
> Seminar teacher informed us today that she uses the Web site
> TurnItIn.com to turn in certain assignments, particularly
> long-term projects and essays. Has anybody on this list used
> this Web site to turn in work to your teachers? If so, how
> accessible is it with JAWS? If it is accessible, how do I use
> this site with JAWS to turn in work? By the way, in the event
> that this Web site is inaccessible, I've already talked with my
> teacher and she gave me permission to email projects usually
> turned in on turnitin.com to her.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Chris
>
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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 18:15:47 -0400
From: Danielle Sykora <dsykora29 at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Taking notes with a laptop when reading
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If your textbooks are on your computer, it would probably be better to
keep your notes in a separate document and alt tab between them. It is
easier to review notes when they are in a separate file.
Hope this helps,
Danielle
On 8/29/12, Lavonya Gardner <hotdancer1416 at gmail.com> wrote:
> How do u take notes on your iPhone? I have an iPad, and I think they may
> work close to the same way.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Aug 28, 2012, at 20:22, Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Angie,
>>
>> assuming your textbooks are on the computer or the victore stream. I might
>> use your Iphone to take the notes, or vice versa. Too bad to hear about
>> your Apex. My troubles lie in my laptop crashed and burned a few weeks
>> ago. So classes started and I have no laptop, but have my apex and my
>> Iphone.
>>
>> Hope this works for you,
>> Marsha
>>
>> Marsha drenthSent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Aug 28, 2012, at 8:15 PM, "Anjelina" <anjelinac26 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Good evening all,
>>>
>>> I hope the start of the semester is going smoothly. Last week my old way
>>> of
>>> taking notes broke down. This may be a basic question but I'm wanting
>>> feedback how y'all take notes on a laptop.
>>>
>>> My Apex will be going to Humanware for a repair. Since I only have a
>>> laptop
>>> to take notes, what are some effective strategies you have used to read
>>> texts as well as take notes?
>>>
>>> Do you alt tab from your document window to the text and write notes, or
>>> do
>>> you write in your file of the textbook?
>>>
>>> Thanks for any input.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Anjelina
>>>
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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 17:25:35 -0600
From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ID's and Voting
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Even if they need eye color on your ID card, couldn't they just ask
you what color your eyes are and put that down? That's what they did
for my height and weight.
Arielle
On 8/28/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Desiree,
> That is a good question for the DMV. Call and ask. My guess is if you renew
>
> online, they will use your existing photo they have on file.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Desiree Oudinot
> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 5:06 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ID's and Voting
>
> Hi,
> So, if you can renew your ID online, how do they get an updated
> picture? I've heard of people not having a picture on their ID for
> religious reasons, but I'm certainly not interested in that because it
> just seems like from all I've heard and what I think personally, no
> one would take an ID without a picture on it seriously. It would be
> extremely easy to forge. No offense to people who choose not to have a
> picture on their ID for whatever reason, it's just not something I
> would do myself. So how does that work? My mom said that if I renew
> online, what will probably happen is they'll send something in the
> mail which says the ID isn't expired, and I'll have 60 days to go to
> the DMV to have my picture taken. Is that true?
>
> On 8/28/12, Justin Young <jty727 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I know you don't necessarily have to go to the DMV to renew your ID.
>> When it came time for me to renew mine, they just sent a form in the
>> mail and I checked a box(Driver or Non-Driver). They both had a
>> length they were good for and a fee it cost to purchase them. Using a
>> CCTV I filled out the form rather quickly. If one doesn't have enough
>> vision for that, then I guess the only other way would to have sighted
>> assistance. I would say though if the picture you wish to change,
>> then to my knowledge you have to go to the DMV. Hope this helps
>>
>> On 8/28/12, Brandon Keith Biggs <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> The way I write my signature is Place my finger on the line, place my
>>> pen
>>> next to my finger, lift my finger, ask someone if the pen is in the
>>> right
>>> place and agust to what they say, then if I can I place my finger back
>>> on
>>> the paper and then I write my signature strait from my finger. I have a
>>> signature that doesn't need me to lift my pen from the paper, so that is
>>> really good. I also just use my first name as my signature only. (I'm
>>> not
>>> sure if people know this, but your signature doesn't need to be your
>>> name,
>>> it can be a star or a picture of some kind). I've been told that my
>>> signature is super hard to copy and it is still readable. I use a
>>> mixture
>>> of
>>>
>>> cursive and the typical letters. I sat down with my living skills
>>> instructor
>>>
>>> one day and we experimented with signatures and found the thing that
>>> would
>>> be the fastest, most readable and the best reproducible, so that is what
>>> I
>>> now use. Also, I only write capitals, because they are the easiest to
>>> write
>>>
>>> for me.
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Brandon Keith Biggs
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Arielle Silverman
>>> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 10:15 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] ID's and Voting
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I think it is fair for a blind person to need to get a state ID card
>>> or non-driving license. Going to the DMV sucks but it sucks for
>>> sighted people too. Having some kind of legal identification is just
>>> part of living in this country as an adult and enables us to
>>> participate in all the same activities as those with drivers'
>>> licenses, including flying on airplanes and passing the age test to
>>> buy alcohol (I don't think student ID is acceptable for either of
>>> these things, whether you are sighted or blind). I do, however, agree
>>> that requiring a blind person to give a signature that matches one on
>>> file is probably unfair even if it is not intended to be
>>> discriminatory. A blind person could get around this by signing with a
>>> stamp, though I'm not sure how long those last.
>>> Arielle
>>> On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca <sjhhirst at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hm my main concern with the IDs is that people have to get to the DMV
>>>> somehow. In places like Nashville, that's not exactly straightforward.
>>>> I
>>>> guess they could take a cab? It just sucks because, I think before,
>>>> people
>>>> could just use a student ID (speaking about our own age group). Now,
>>>> the
>>>> states have made it more difficult than it already was.
>>>>
>>>> Rhode Island has an interesting approach to this (and someone correct
>>>> me
>>>> if
>>>> I'm wrong). If you don't have a state ID on you at the polling place,
>>>> you
>>>> can sign an affidavit of identity, which basically just certifies that
>>>> you
>>>> are who you say you are. I like this idea (well, except for the whole
>>>> signature thing, which I had never thought about).
>>>>
>>>> http://www.ncsl.org/legislatures-elections/elections/voter-id.aspx
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind.
>>>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Cynthia Bennett <clb5590 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Stephanie:
>>>>>
>>>>> This is great informaition. Thanks for going so much in depth.
>>>>>
>>>>> The ID issue is the easiest. I don't know of a state that doesn't
>>>>> offer a nondriving photo ID. This can be obtained wherever you would
>>>>> go to get your driver's license. It looks just like and contains all
>>>>> of the information that a driver's license contains. It is a
>>>>> legitimate form of ID. I had no problems at the precincts in NC when I
>>>>> showed my photo ID.
>>>>>
>>>>> Where ID's relate to my concern is that when you get your ID, you have
>>>>> to sign the bottom. The DMV that I went to had an electronic pad that
>>>>> you sign with a stylus. I typically like to place a finger down on a
>>>>> paper to orient myself before I write my signature. But touching the
>>>>> electronic pad made a finger print. After a few unsuccessful tries,
>>>>> the agent gave me an index card, and they elected to process my
>>>>> signature the old way. This was helpful, but even though I have been
>>>>> signing my name since I was 7, I really don't have any way of knowing
>>>>> if I have signed my name exactly the way it looks on my state ID; this
>>>>> signature is kept on file with the state so they don't actually have
>>>>> to look at your ID to see it. I know that the intentions of this are
>>>>> good and in place to prevent voter fraud, but as a blind person, I
>>>>> feel like it pretty much gives me no choice but to find 2 witnesses to
>>>>> sign my ballot and varify my signature, and I think that is unfair
>>>>> since a sighted person can fill out their ballot independently and
>>>>> forego the long precinct lines since they are located far and few
>>>>> between due to the mailed-out ballots being the primary method used
>>>>> for voting.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sure the membership committee will look at all of this information
>>>>> and decide if this call is a good idea, which I think we will, and we
>>>>> will work to find appropriate people to conduct the call. Thanks so
>>>>> much for the information. It was really great to read.
>>>>>
>>>>> And, I go by Cindy so that's fine.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca <sjhhirst at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> > This website is very informative. The following link takes you to a
>>>>> > page
>>>>> > where they have links to several laws relevant to people with
>>>>> disabilities.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > http://www.section508.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=Laws
>>>>> >
>>>>> > In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind.
>>>>> > ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca
>>>>> > <sjhhirst at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> Heh, I mean Cynthia, sorry!
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind.
>>>>> >> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca
>>>>> >> <sjhhirst at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>> I'm excited to see that other people support the idea of getting
>>>>> >>> involved
>>>>> >>> but sad to admit that it's a problem.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> My story is this: In 2008, I went for early voting at one of the
>>>>> >>> designated places in Nashville. When it was my turn, they
>>>>> >>> designated
>>>>> >>> a
>>>>> >>> polling machine to me. Before I began the process, I asked about
>>>>> >>> assisted
>>>>> >>> voting. Maybe I should have asked about accessible polling
>>>>> >>> machines?
>>>>> >>> Anyway, he just said he'd have to help me and that was the only
>>>>> >>> option
>>>>> >>> I
>>>>> >>> had. I turned him down and went through the process myself (I do
>>>>> >>> have
>>>>> >>> some
>>>>> >>> vision).
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> It seems that the voting issues fall into a few categories:
>>>>> >>> 1) lack of knowledge of rights/responsibilities on behalf of the
>>>>> >>> voter
>>>>> >>> 2) lack of training and knowledge of polling staff
>>>>> >>> 3) lack of a functioning accessible voting machine on site
>>>>> >>> 4) difficult-to-follow tutorials/instructions for the accessible
>>>>> machine
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> For me, numbers 1 and 2 seem to be the biggest problems. How do
>>>>> >>> we
>>>>> >>> get
>>>>> >>> the word out and how do we insure that the people at the polling
>>>>> >>> places
>>>>> >>> are
>>>>> >>> trained and that there is a funcitoning machine available?
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> I like the idea about having demos. Barring that, would it be
>>>>> >>> possible
>>>>> >>> to record a tutorial and post it online? Maybe by someone who has
>>>>> >>> used
>>>>> >>> it
>>>>> >>> recently? I've heard that the tutorial provided at the polling
>>>>> >>> place
>>>>> is
>>>>> >>> often not straightforward or easy to follow and that a blind user
>>>>> >>> could
>>>>> >>> do
>>>>> >>> a better job haha
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> I think we should at the very least inform people of their rights.
>>>>> >>> I
>>>>> >>> think finding the federal law wouldn't be too hard, but some rules
>>>>> >>> vary
>>>>> >>> state by state. I'm having trouble tracking down the information
>>>>> >>> for
>>>>> >>> TN,
>>>>> >>> for example. Anyway, here is the federal law (I think).
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> *Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act*
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> The Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act of
>>>>> >>> 1984
>>>>> >>> generally requires polling places across the United States to be
>>>>> >>> physically
>>>>> >>> accessible to people with disabilities for federal elections.
>>>>> >>> Where
>>>>> >>> no
>>>>> >>> accessible location is available to serve as a polling place, a
>>>>> >>> political
>>>>> >>> subdivision must provide an alternate means of casting a ballot on
>>>>> >>> the
>>>>> >>> day
>>>>> >>> of the election. This law also requires states to make available
>>>>> >>> registration and voting aids for disabled and elderly voters,
>>>>> >>> including
>>>>> >>> information by TTYs (also known as TDDs) or similar devices. For
>>>>> >>> more
>>>>> >>> information, contact:
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> U.S. Department of Justice
>>>>> >>> Civil Rights Division
>>>>> >>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W.
>>>>> >>> Voting Section - 1800 G
>>>>> >>> Washington, D.C. 20530
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> (8... (voice/TTY)
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> *National Voter Registration Act*
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> The National Voter Registration Act of 1993, also known as the
>>>>> >>> "Motor
>>>>> >>> Voter Act," makes it easier for all Americans to exercise their
>>>>> >>> fundamental
>>>>> >>> right to vote. One of the basic purposes of the Act is to increase
>>>>> >>> the
>>>>> >>> historically low registration rates of minorities and persons with
>>>>> >>> disabilities that have resulted from discrimination. The Motor
>>>>> >>> Voter
>>>>> Act
>>>>> >>> requires all offices of State-funded programs that are primarily
>>>>> engaged
>>>>> >>> in
>>>>> >>> providing services to persons with disabilities to provide all
>>>>> >>> program
>>>>> >>> applicants with voter registration forms, to assist them in
>>>>> >>> completing
>>>>> >>> the
>>>>> >>> forms, and to transmit completed forms to the appropriate State
>>>>> >>> official.
>>>>> >>> For more information, contact:
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> U.S. Department of Justice
>>>>> >>> Civil Rights Division
>>>>> >>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W.
>>>>> >>> Voting Section - 1800 G
>>>>> >>> Washington, D.C. 20530
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> www.usdoj.gov/crt/voting
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY)
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> It seems that the NFB has a lot of lawyers. Is it possible for us
>>>>> >>> to
>>>>> >>> get
>>>>> >>> someone trained in law to help us with this one?
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Here is another good resource, the Department of Justice:
>>>>> >>> http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/drs/
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> One question I have is, why aren't ALL voting machines accessible?
>>>>> >>> It
>>>>> >>> seems like this is more of a software issue. Would it not be
>>>>> >>> possible
>>>>> >>> to
>>>>> >>> write accessible software to be used on all machines?
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> One other thing is that we should encourage people to file a
>>>>> >>> complaint
>>>>> >>> if
>>>>> >>> they have these aforementioned problems this year and in the
>>>>> >>> future.
>>>>> We
>>>>> >>> (the NFB) should provide information on that, as well.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> While I think this is a concern for the whole NFB on a national
>>>>> >>> level,
>>>>> I
>>>>> >>> think as students, we are in a good spot to target new voters and
>>>>> >>> college
>>>>> >>> students who have not voted before. Maybe we could draft a
>>>>> >>> brochure
>>>>> >>> about
>>>>> >>> rights and responsibilities and general information (maybe even
>>>>> >>> for
>>>>> >>> people
>>>>> >>> who aren't blind but are disabled?) and make sure it gets
>>>>> >>> distributed
>>>>> at
>>>>> >>> voter registration drives going on campus.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Cindy also makes a good point about getting to the voting place.
>>>>> >>> Also,
>>>>> >>> this will become even more difficult in many states that require
>>>>> >>> valid
>>>>> >>> state IDs (like TN, AL, AR, etc.). How should we deal with this?
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind.
>>>>> >>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Cynthia Bennett
>>>>> >>> <clb5590 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> Stephanie:
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> That is a great idea. I had a similar experience as Josh as I
>>>>> >>>> voted
>>>>> >>>> in
>>>>> >>>> my first election. They were the 2008 primaries, and I was very
>>>>> >>>> excited. When the machine did not work, I asked a poll worker to
>>>>> >>>> assist me. They filled in the ballot as I wished, but the worker
>>>>> >>>> did
>>>>> >>>> make some comments about their preference on a politician. This
>>>>> >>>> occured when I said that I did not want to vote for a particular
>>>>> >>>> office, because I was unfamiliar with any of the candidates. I
>>>>> >>>> said
>>>>> >>>> something like, "I don't want to fill in anything for this," and
>>>>> >>>> the
>>>>> >>>> worker responded with "Oh, I heard that ___ is pretty good. Do
>>>>> >>>> you
>>>>> >>>> want me to fill in his/her name?" I chose to still not vote for
>>>>> >>>> that
>>>>> >>>> particular office. This practice is illegal, and I chose not to
>>>>> >>>> say
>>>>> >>>> anything about it. But I do think that an informational call
>>>>> >>>> about
>>>>> >>>> rights and accessible voting machines would be awesome.
>>>>> >>>> Unfortunately,
>>>>> >>>> each state is a little different, but information about federal
>>>>> >>>> mandates on the presence of accessible voting machines/rights and
>>>>> >>>> some
>>>>> >>>> typical patterns in accessible voting in states would be great.
>>>>> >>>> For
>>>>> >>>> example, Washington conducts mail ballots. There are a few
>>>>> >>>> precincts
>>>>> >>>> around town, but if you work in a neighborhood in which it takes
>>>>> >>>> a
>>>>> >>>> while to get to a precinct, you are at a disadvantage as a blind
>>>>> >>>> person. So, you can either take off work and use public
>>>>> >>>> transportation
>>>>> >>>> to navigate to one of the few and very busy precincts and wait in
>>>>> >>>> a
>>>>> >>>> 3-hour line, or you can find a reader and disclose your voting
>>>>> >>>> preferences. The other animal in this issue is that if you choose
>>>>> >>>> to
>>>>> >>>> get a reader to fill out your signature does not match the
>>>>> >>>> signature
>>>>> >>>> on your state ID which is kept on file, then your ballot can be
>>>>> >>>> deemed
>>>>> >>>> as false and not counted. As a blind person, I do the best I can
>>>>> >>>> with
>>>>> >>>> my signature, but I do think that even the most ambitious blind
>>>>> >>>> people
>>>>> >>>> are at a disadvantage when having to match a signature, and our
>>>>> >>>> ballots could not be counted, and we may not hear about it, or we
>>>>> >>>> would learn of it after elections are closed. If we are afraid
>>>>> >>>> that
>>>>> >>>> our signature may not match that of our state ID, then we can
>>>>> >>>> have
>>>>> >>>> 2
>>>>> >>>> witnesses sign. But that is 2 more people that have to see my
>>>>> >>>> ballot.
>>>>> >>>> I do not think that this practice is common within the states,
>>>>> >>>> and
>>>>> >>>> I
>>>>> >>>> would definitely not like my experience to dominate the nature of
>>>>> >>>> the
>>>>> >>>> call, but I wanted to relay it to show that I think this is a
>>>>> >>>> very
>>>>> >>>> good idea. I would personally like some professional/legal
>>>>> >>>> advice/legal suggestions on how this can be changed.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> So, if you have any suggestions on people to conduct this call,
>>>>> >>>> or
>>>>> >>>> resources for where this information can be found, please share
>>>>> >>>> it.
>>>>> >>>> If
>>>>> >>>> not, the membership committee will certainly take the initiative
>>>>> >>>> to
>>>>> >>>> conduct an informative call if we do in fact decide to pursue
>>>>> >>>> this
>>>>> >>>> topic. But I wanted to make sure that since you made the
>>>>> >>>> suggestion,
>>>>> >>>> you are welcome to provide suggestions on people to conduct the
>>>>> >>>> call.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> I know that someone comes to each NC state convention with an
>>>>> >>>> accessible voting machine to show in the exhibit hall. During
>>>>> >>>> this
>>>>> >>>> time, people can vote in a fake election and orient themselves to
>>>>> >>>> the
>>>>> >>>> machine. I am not sure if NC is still doing this since it has
>>>>> >>>> been
>>>>> >>>> a
>>>>> >>>> few years since the accessible machines were introduced, but I
>>>>> >>>> think
>>>>> >>>> there is still a need for outreach about accessible voting.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Keep the good membership call suggestions coming!
>>>>> >>>> Cindy
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> On 8/27/12, Joshua Lester <JLester8462 at pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>> > Hi, Stephanie!
>>>>> >>>> > That's a great idea!
>>>>> >>>> > I went to my voting site, earlier this year, and the machine
>>>>> >>>> > didn't
>>>>> >>>> work.
>>>>> >>>> > My Disability Rights person that works for the governor, here
>>>>> >>>> > said
>>>>> >>>> he'd come
>>>>> >>>> > down, to show them how to work it, but he never showed up!
>>>>> >>>> > Thanks, Joshua
>>>>> >>>> > ________________________________________
>>>>> >>>> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on
>>>>> behalf
>>>>> >>>> of
>>>>> >>>> > Stephanie DeLuca [sjhhirst at gmail.com]
>>>>> >>>> > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 2:53 PM
>>>>> >>>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> >>>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS Membership Call Survey
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> > I think a discussion on voting as people with disabilities
>>>>> >>>> > would
>>>>> >>>> > be
>>>>> >>>> good.
>>>>> >>>> > Since a lot of people are on college campuses, it'd be a good
>>>>> >>>> opportunity to
>>>>> >>>> > get involved with informing people with disabilities (mainly
>>>>> >>>> > VI)
>>>>> >>>> > about
>>>>> >>>> > rights and responsibilities for voting. I've been to/worked at
>>>>> >>>> > several
>>>>> >>>> > voter registration drives, and I have NEVER seen information on
>>>>> >>>> > voting
>>>>> >>>> if
>>>>> >>>> > you have a disability.
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> > On Aug 27, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Cody Bair <codyjbair at yahoo.com>
>>>>> >>>> > wrote:
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >> Hi All,
>>>>> >>>> >> As you are probably already aware, NABS conducts monthly
>>>>> >>>> >> membership
>>>>> >>>> calls.
>>>>> >>>> >> In order to get this school year started we are currently
>>>>> >>>> >> seeking
>>>>> >>>> >> your
>>>>> >>>> >> input on what topics you would like to see us cover this year.
>>>>> >>>> >> Please
>>>>> >>>> >> either reply directly to this thread with your suggestions or
>>>>> >>>> >> mail
>>>>> >>>> them
>>>>> >>>> >> directly to
>>>>> >>>> >> Nabs.membership at gmail.com
>>>>> >>>> >> Sincerely,
>>>>> >>>> >> The NABS membership Committee
>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>> >>>> >>
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 17:42:40 -0600
From: Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] ID cards
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Hi, you guys. On the subject of ID cards and eye color, I have a
boyfriend that doesn't even have an eyeball in either eye socket.
So how could the DMV possibly identify someone without eyes?
Exammple, someone like Jason with no eyes. For me, it's easy. I
have eyes and color is brown, but I can't open the eyes. I've
always had problems withh school pics where the teacher said I hd
to retake the pics due to eyes not opening. Thoughts?
Beth
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 17:52:05 -0600
From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ID cards
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Hi Beth,
Does he have prosthetic eyes? (like glass eyes) Many blind people have
prosthetic eyes, so I imagine he could just say what the eyes are made
of instead of an eye color.
Arielle
On 8/29/12, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi, you guys. On the subject of ID cards and eye color, I have a
> boyfriend that doesn't even have an eyeball in either eye socket.
> So how could the DMV possibly identify someone without eyes?
> Exammple, someone like Jason with no eyes. For me, it's easy. I
> have eyes and color is brown, but I can't open the eyes. I've
> always had problems withh school pics where the teacher said I hd
> to retake the pics due to eyes not opening. Thoughts?
> Beth
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 19:11:03 -0600
From: Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ID cards
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HE does not have prosthetics as far as I know. His eyes are made
in such a way that prosthetics are impossible to put in. I've
seen those eyes of his.
Beth
----- Original Message -----
From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com
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<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 17:52:05 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ID cards
Hi Beth,
Does he have prosthetic eyes? (like glass eyes) Many blind people
have
prosthetic eyes, so I imagine he could just say what the eyes are
made
of instead of an eye color.
Arielle
On 8/29/12, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, you guys. On the subject of ID cards and eye color, I have
a
boyfriend that doesn't even have an eyeball in either eye
socket.
So how could the DMV possibly identify someone without eyes?
Exammple, someone like Jason with no eyes. For me, it's easy.
I
have eyes and color is brown, but I can't open the eyes. I've
always had problems withh school pics where the teacher said I
hd
to retake the pics due to eyes not opening. Thoughts?
Beth
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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 21:39:24 -0400
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ID cards
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Beth,
Some states put eye color on the id card. But if you do not have eyes, that
cannot be used. perhaps under eye color, they would write NA for not
applicable or leave it off the ID card. As for not being able to open your
eyes, I assume there is some medical reason with being blind causing that. I
am low vision so do not have that issue. But if you cannot open your eyes, I
think some exception could be made.
They should just take the picture with eyes closed then.
-----Original Message-----
From: Beth
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 7:42 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] ID cards
Hi, you guys. On the subject of ID cards and eye color, I have a
boyfriend that doesn't even have an eyeball in either eye socket.
So how could the DMV possibly identify someone without eyes?
Exammple, someone like Jason with no eyes. For me, it's easy. I
have eyes and color is brown, but I can't open the eyes. I've
always had problems withh school pics where the teacher said I hd
to retake the pics due to eyes not opening. Thoughts?
Beth
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 20:10:18 -0600
From: Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
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list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ID cards
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That's true, Ashley. At least you're lucky you're low vision.
Totals always have it hardd. Like I said in the original posts,
I sometimes had teachers and photo people go nuts on my school
piccs saying that I had to "retake them."
Beth
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<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 21:39:24 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ID cards
Beth,
Some states put eye color on the id card. But if you do not have
eyes, that
cannot be used. perhaps under eye color, they would write NA for
not
applicable or leave it off the ID card. As for not being able to
open your
eyes, I assume there is some medical reason with being blind
causing that. I
am low vision so do not have that issue. But if you cannot open
your eyes, I
think some exception could be made.
They should just take the picture with eyes closed then.
-----Original Message-----
From: Beth
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 7:42 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] ID cards
Hi, you guys. On the subject of ID cards and eye color, I have a
boyfriend that doesn't even have an eyeball in either eye socket.
So how could the DMV possibly identify someone without eyes?
Exammple, someone like Jason with no eyes. For me, it's easy. I
have eyes and color is brown, but I can't open the eyes. I've
always had problems withh school pics where the teacher said I hd
to retake the pics due to eyes not opening. Thoughts?
Beth
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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 22:55:23 -0400
From: Desiree Oudinot <turtlepower17 at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ID's and Voting
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I guess that would make too much sense!
On 8/29/12, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Even if they need eye color on your ID card, couldn't they just ask
> you what color your eyes are and put that down? That's what they did
> for my height and weight.
> Arielle
>
> On 8/28/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Desiree,
>> That is a good question for the DMV. Call and ask. My guess is if you
>> renew
>>
>> online, they will use your existing photo they have on file.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Desiree Oudinot
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 5:06 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ID's and Voting
>>
>> Hi,
>> So, if you can renew your ID online, how do they get an updated
>> picture? I've heard of people not having a picture on their ID for
>> religious reasons, but I'm certainly not interested in that because it
>> just seems like from all I've heard and what I think personally, no
>> one would take an ID without a picture on it seriously. It would be
>> extremely easy to forge. No offense to people who choose not to have a
>> picture on their ID for whatever reason, it's just not something I
>> would do myself. So how does that work? My mom said that if I renew
>> online, what will probably happen is they'll send something in the
>> mail which says the ID isn't expired, and I'll have 60 days to go to
>> the DMV to have my picture taken. Is that true?
>>
>> On 8/28/12, Justin Young <jty727 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I know you don't necessarily have to go to the DMV to renew your ID.
>>> When it came time for me to renew mine, they just sent a form in the
>>> mail and I checked a box(Driver or Non-Driver). They both had a
>>> length they were good for and a fee it cost to purchase them. Using a
>>> CCTV I filled out the form rather quickly. If one doesn't have enough
>>> vision for that, then I guess the only other way would to have sighted
>>> assistance. I would say though if the picture you wish to change,
>>> then to my knowledge you have to go to the DMV. Hope this helps
>>>
>>> On 8/28/12, Brandon Keith Biggs <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>> The way I write my signature is Place my finger on the line, place my
>>>> pen
>>>> next to my finger, lift my finger, ask someone if the pen is in the
>>>> right
>>>> place and agust to what they say, then if I can I place my finger back
>>>> on
>>>> the paper and then I write my signature strait from my finger. I have a
>>>> signature that doesn't need me to lift my pen from the paper, so that
>>>> is
>>>> really good. I also just use my first name as my signature only. (I'm
>>>> not
>>>> sure if people know this, but your signature doesn't need to be your
>>>> name,
>>>> it can be a star or a picture of some kind). I've been told that my
>>>> signature is super hard to copy and it is still readable. I use a
>>>> mixture
>>>> of
>>>>
>>>> cursive and the typical letters. I sat down with my living skills
>>>> instructor
>>>>
>>>> one day and we experimented with signatures and found the thing that
>>>> would
>>>> be the fastest, most readable and the best reproducible, so that is
>>>> what
>>>> I
>>>> now use. Also, I only write capitals, because they are the easiest to
>>>> write
>>>>
>>>> for me.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Brandon Keith Biggs
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Arielle Silverman
>>>> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 10:15 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] ID's and Voting
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> I think it is fair for a blind person to need to get a state ID card
>>>> or non-driving license. Going to the DMV sucks but it sucks for
>>>> sighted people too. Having some kind of legal identification is just
>>>> part of living in this country as an adult and enables us to
>>>> participate in all the same activities as those with drivers'
>>>> licenses, including flying on airplanes and passing the age test to
>>>> buy alcohol (I don't think student ID is acceptable for either of
>>>> these things, whether you are sighted or blind). I do, however, agree
>>>> that requiring a blind person to give a signature that matches one on
>>>> file is probably unfair even if it is not intended to be
>>>> discriminatory. A blind person could get around this by signing with a
>>>> stamp, though I'm not sure how long those last.
>>>> Arielle
>>>> On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca <sjhhirst at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hm my main concern with the IDs is that people have to get to the DMV
>>>>> somehow. In places like Nashville, that's not exactly
>>>>> straightforward.
>>>>> I
>>>>> guess they could take a cab? It just sucks because, I think before,
>>>>> people
>>>>> could just use a student ID (speaking about our own age group). Now,
>>>>> the
>>>>> states have made it more difficult than it already was.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rhode Island has an interesting approach to this (and someone correct
>>>>> me
>>>>> if
>>>>> I'm wrong). If you don't have a state ID on you at the polling place,
>>>>> you
>>>>> can sign an affidavit of identity, which basically just certifies that
>>>>> you
>>>>> are who you say you are. I like this idea (well, except for the whole
>>>>> signature thing, which I had never thought about).
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.ncsl.org/legislatures-elections/elections/voter-id.aspx
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind.
>>>>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Cynthia Bennett <clb5590 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Stephanie:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is great informaition. Thanks for going so much in depth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The ID issue is the easiest. I don't know of a state that doesn't
>>>>>> offer a nondriving photo ID. This can be obtained wherever you would
>>>>>> go to get your driver's license. It looks just like and contains all
>>>>>> of the information that a driver's license contains. It is a
>>>>>> legitimate form of ID. I had no problems at the precincts in NC when
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> showed my photo ID.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where ID's relate to my concern is that when you get your ID, you
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> to sign the bottom. The DMV that I went to had an electronic pad that
>>>>>> you sign with a stylus. I typically like to place a finger down on a
>>>>>> paper to orient myself before I write my signature. But touching the
>>>>>> electronic pad made a finger print. After a few unsuccessful tries,
>>>>>> the agent gave me an index card, and they elected to process my
>>>>>> signature the old way. This was helpful, but even though I have been
>>>>>> signing my name since I was 7, I really don't have any way of knowing
>>>>>> if I have signed my name exactly the way it looks on my state ID;
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> signature is kept on file with the state so they don't actually have
>>>>>> to look at your ID to see it. I know that the intentions of this are
>>>>>> good and in place to prevent voter fraud, but as a blind person, I
>>>>>> feel like it pretty much gives me no choice but to find 2 witnesses
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> sign my ballot and varify my signature, and I think that is unfair
>>>>>> since a sighted person can fill out their ballot independently and
>>>>>> forego the long precinct lines since they are located far and few
>>>>>> between due to the mailed-out ballots being the primary method used
>>>>>> for voting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm sure the membership committee will look at all of this
>>>>>> information
>>>>>> and decide if this call is a good idea, which I think we will, and we
>>>>>> will work to find appropriate people to conduct the call. Thanks so
>>>>>> much for the information. It was really great to read.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And, I go by Cindy so that's fine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/27/12, Stephanie H. DeLuca <sjhhirst at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> > This website is very informative. The following link takes you to
>>>>>> > a
>>>>>> > page
>>>>>> > where they have links to several laws relevant to people with
>>>>>> disabilities.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > http://www.section508.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=Laws
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind.
>>>>>> > ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca
>>>>>> > <sjhhirst at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> Heh, I mean Cynthia, sorry!
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind.
>>>>>> >> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca
>>>>>> >> <sjhhirst at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>> I'm excited to see that other people support the idea of getting
>>>>>> >>> involved
>>>>>> >>> but sad to admit that it's a problem.
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> My story is this: In 2008, I went for early voting at one of the
>>>>>> >>> designated places in Nashville. When it was my turn, they
>>>>>> >>> designated
>>>>>> >>> a
>>>>>> >>> polling machine to me. Before I began the process, I asked about
>>>>>> >>> assisted
>>>>>> >>> voting. Maybe I should have asked about accessible polling
>>>>>> >>> machines?
>>>>>> >>> Anyway, he just said he'd have to help me and that was the only
>>>>>> >>> option
>>>>>> >>> I
>>>>>> >>> had. I turned him down and went through the process myself (I do
>>>>>> >>> have
>>>>>> >>> some
>>>>>> >>> vision).
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> It seems that the voting issues fall into a few categories:
>>>>>> >>> 1) lack of knowledge of rights/responsibilities on behalf of the
>>>>>> >>> voter
>>>>>> >>> 2) lack of training and knowledge of polling staff
>>>>>> >>> 3) lack of a functioning accessible voting machine on site
>>>>>> >>> 4) difficult-to-follow tutorials/instructions for the accessible
>>>>>> machine
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> For me, numbers 1 and 2 seem to be the biggest problems. How do
>>>>>> >>> we
>>>>>> >>> get
>>>>>> >>> the word out and how do we insure that the people at the polling
>>>>>> >>> places
>>>>>> >>> are
>>>>>> >>> trained and that there is a funcitoning machine available?
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> I like the idea about having demos. Barring that, would it be
>>>>>> >>> possible
>>>>>> >>> to record a tutorial and post it online? Maybe by someone who
>>>>>> >>> has
>>>>>> >>> used
>>>>>> >>> it
>>>>>> >>> recently? I've heard that the tutorial provided at the polling
>>>>>> >>> place
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> >>> often not straightforward or easy to follow and that a blind user
>>>>>> >>> could
>>>>>> >>> do
>>>>>> >>> a better job haha
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> I think we should at the very least inform people of their
>>>>>> >>> rights.
>>>>>> >>> I
>>>>>> >>> think finding the federal law wouldn't be too hard, but some
>>>>>> >>> rules
>>>>>> >>> vary
>>>>>> >>> state by state. I'm having trouble tracking down the information
>>>>>> >>> for
>>>>>> >>> TN,
>>>>>> >>> for example. Anyway, here is the federal law (I think).
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> *Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act*
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> The Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act of
>>>>>> >>> 1984
>>>>>> >>> generally requires polling places across the United States to be
>>>>>> >>> physically
>>>>>> >>> accessible to people with disabilities for federal elections.
>>>>>> >>> Where
>>>>>> >>> no
>>>>>> >>> accessible location is available to serve as a polling place, a
>>>>>> >>> political
>>>>>> >>> subdivision must provide an alternate means of casting a ballot
>>>>>> >>> on
>>>>>> >>> the
>>>>>> >>> day
>>>>>> >>> of the election. This law also requires states to make available
>>>>>> >>> registration and voting aids for disabled and elderly voters,
>>>>>> >>> including
>>>>>> >>> information by TTYs (also known as TDDs) or similar devices. For
>>>>>> >>> more
>>>>>> >>> information, contact:
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> U.S. Department of Justice
>>>>>> >>> Civil Rights Division
>>>>>> >>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W.
>>>>>> >>> Voting Section - 1800 G
>>>>>> >>> Washington, D.C. 20530
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY)
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> *National Voter Registration Act*
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> The National Voter Registration Act of 1993, also known as the
>>>>>> >>> "Motor
>>>>>> >>> Voter Act," makes it easier for all Americans to exercise their
>>>>>> >>> fundamental
>>>>>> >>> right to vote. One of the basic purposes of the Act is to
>>>>>> >>> increase
>>>>>> >>> the
>>>>>> >>> historically low registration rates of minorities and persons
>>>>>> >>> with
>>>>>> >>> disabilities that have resulted from discrimination. The Motor
>>>>>> >>> Voter
>>>>>> Act
>>>>>> >>> requires all offices of State-funded programs that are primarily
>>>>>> engaged
>>>>>> >>> in
>>>>>> >>> providing services to persons with disabilities to provide all
>>>>>> >>> program
>>>>>> >>> applicants with voter registration forms, to assist them in
>>>>>> >>> completing
>>>>>> >>> the
>>>>>> >>> forms, and to transmit completed forms to the appropriate State
>>>>>> >>> official.
>>>>>> >>> For more information, contact:
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> U.S. Department of Justice
>>>>>> >>> Civil Rights Division
>>>>>> >>> 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W.
>>>>>> >>> Voting Section - 1800 G
>>>>>> >>> Washington, D.C. 20530
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> www.usdoj.gov/crt/voting
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> (800) 253-3931 (voice/TTY)
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> It seems that the NFB has a lot of lawyers. Is it possible for
>>>>>> >>> us
>>>>>> >>> to
>>>>>> >>> get
>>>>>> >>> someone trained in law to help us with this one?
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> Here is another good resource, the Department of Justice:
>>>>>> >>> http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/drs/
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> One question I have is, why aren't ALL voting machines
>>>>>> >>> accessible?
>>>>>> >>> It
>>>>>> >>> seems like this is more of a software issue. Would it not be
>>>>>> >>> possible
>>>>>> >>> to
>>>>>> >>> write accessible software to be used on all machines?
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> One other thing is that we should encourage people to file a
>>>>>> >>> complaint
>>>>>> >>> if
>>>>>> >>> they have these aforementioned problems this year and in the
>>>>>> >>> future.
>>>>>> We
>>>>>> >>> (the NFB) should provide information on that, as well.
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> While I think this is a concern for the whole NFB on a national
>>>>>> >>> level,
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> >>> think as students, we are in a good spot to target new voters and
>>>>>> >>> college
>>>>>> >>> students who have not voted before. Maybe we could draft a
>>>>>> >>> brochure
>>>>>> >>> about
>>>>>> >>> rights and responsibilities and general information (maybe even
>>>>>> >>> for
>>>>>> >>> people
>>>>>> >>> who aren't blind but are disabled?) and make sure it gets
>>>>>> >>> distributed
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> >>> voter registration drives going on campus.
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> Cindy also makes a good point about getting to the voting place.
>>>>>> >>> Also,
>>>>>> >>> this will become even more difficult in many states that require
>>>>>> >>> valid
>>>>>> >>> state IDs (like TN, AL, AR, etc.). How should we deal with this?
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared
>>>>>> >>> mind.
>>>>>> >>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Cynthia Bennett
>>>>>> >>> <clb5590 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>> Stephanie:
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> That is a great idea. I had a similar experience as Josh as I
>>>>>> >>>> voted
>>>>>> >>>> in
>>>>>> >>>> my first election. They were the 2008 primaries, and I was very
>>>>>> >>>> excited. When the machine did not work, I asked a poll worker to
>>>>>> >>>> assist me. They filled in the ballot as I wished, but the worker
>>>>>> >>>> did
>>>>>> >>>> make some comments about their preference on a politician. This
>>>>>> >>>> occured when I said that I did not want to vote for a particular
>>>>>> >>>> office, because I was unfamiliar with any of the candidates. I
>>>>>> >>>> said
>>>>>> >>>> something like, "I don't want to fill in anything for this," and
>>>>>> >>>> the
>>>>>> >>>> worker responded with "Oh, I heard that ___ is pretty good. Do
>>>>>> >>>> you
>>>>>> >>>> want me to fill in his/her name?" I chose to still not vote for
>>>>>> >>>> that
>>>>>> >>>> particular office. This practice is illegal, and I chose not to
>>>>>> >>>> say
>>>>>> >>>> anything about it. But I do think that an informational call
>>>>>> >>>> about
>>>>>> >>>> rights and accessible voting machines would be awesome.
>>>>>> >>>> Unfortunately,
>>>>>> >>>> each state is a little different, but information about federal
>>>>>> >>>> mandates on the presence of accessible voting machines/rights
>>>>>> >>>> and
>>>>>> >>>> some
>>>>>> >>>> typical patterns in accessible voting in states would be great.
>>>>>> >>>> For
>>>>>> >>>> example, Washington conducts mail ballots. There are a few
>>>>>> >>>> precincts
>>>>>> >>>> around town, but if you work in a neighborhood in which it takes
>>>>>> >>>> a
>>>>>> >>>> while to get to a precinct, you are at a disadvantage as a blind
>>>>>> >>>> person. So, you can either take off work and use public
>>>>>> >>>> transportation
>>>>>> >>>> to navigate to one of the few and very busy precincts and wait
>>>>>> >>>> in
>>>>>> >>>> a
>>>>>> >>>> 3-hour line, or you can find a reader and disclose your voting
>>>>>> >>>> preferences. The other animal in this issue is that if you
>>>>>> >>>> choose
>>>>>> >>>> to
>>>>>> >>>> get a reader to fill out your signature does not match the
>>>>>> >>>> signature
>>>>>> >>>> on your state ID which is kept on file, then your ballot can be
>>>>>> >>>> deemed
>>>>>> >>>> as false and not counted. As a blind person, I do the best I can
>>>>>> >>>> with
>>>>>> >>>> my signature, but I do think that even the most ambitious blind
>>>>>> >>>> people
>>>>>> >>>> are at a disadvantage when having to match a signature, and our
>>>>>> >>>> ballots could not be counted, and we may not hear about it, or
>>>>>> >>>> we
>>>>>> >>>> would learn of it after elections are closed. If we are afraid
>>>>>> >>>> that
>>>>>> >>>> our signature may not match that of our state ID, then we can
>>>>>> >>>> have
>>>>>> >>>> 2
>>>>>> >>>> witnesses sign. But that is 2 more people that have to see my
>>>>>> >>>> ballot.
>>>>>> >>>> I do not think that this practice is common within the states,
>>>>>> >>>> and
>>>>>> >>>> I
>>>>>> >>>> would definitely not like my experience to dominate the nature
>>>>>> >>>> of
>>>>>> >>>> the
>>>>>> >>>> call, but I wanted to relay it to show that I think this is a
>>>>>> >>>> very
>>>>>> >>>> good idea. I would personally like some professional/legal
>>>>>> >>>> advice/legal suggestions on how this can be changed.
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> So, if you have any suggestions on people to conduct this call,
>>>>>> >>>> or
>>>>>> >>>> resources for where this information can be found, please share
>>>>>> >>>> it.
>>>>>> >>>> If
>>>>>> >>>> not, the membership committee will certainly take the initiative
>>>>>> >>>> to
>>>>>> >>>> conduct an informative call if we do in fact decide to pursue
>>>>>> >>>> this
>>>>>> >>>> topic. But I wanted to make sure that since you made the
>>>>>> >>>> suggestion,
>>>>>> >>>> you are welcome to provide suggestions on people to conduct the
>>>>>> >>>> call.
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> I know that someone comes to each NC state convention with an
>>>>>> >>>> accessible voting machine to show in the exhibit hall. During
>>>>>> >>>> this
>>>>>> >>>> time, people can vote in a fake election and orient themselves
>>>>>> >>>> to
>>>>>> >>>> the
>>>>>> >>>> machine. I am not sure if NC is still doing this since it has
>>>>>> >>>> been
>>>>>> >>>> a
>>>>>> >>>> few years since the accessible machines were introduced, but I
>>>>>> >>>> think
>>>>>> >>>> there is still a need for outreach about accessible voting.
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> Keep the good membership call suggestions coming!
>>>>>> >>>> Cindy
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> On 8/27/12, Joshua Lester <JLester8462 at pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>> > Hi, Stephanie!
>>>>>> >>>> > That's a great idea!
>>>>>> >>>> > I went to my voting site, earlier this year, and the machine
>>>>>> >>>> > didn't
>>>>>> >>>> work.
>>>>>> >>>> > My Disability Rights person that works for the governor, here
>>>>>> >>>> > said
>>>>>> >>>> he'd come
>>>>>> >>>> > down, to show them how to work it, but he never showed up!
>>>>>> >>>> > Thanks, Joshua
>>>>>> >>>> > ________________________________________
>>>>>> >>>> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on
>>>>>> behalf
>>>>>> >>>> of
>>>>>> >>>> > Stephanie DeLuca [sjhhirst at gmail.com]
>>>>>> >>>> > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 2:53 PM
>>>>>> >>>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>> >>>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS Membership Call Survey
>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> > I think a discussion on voting as people with disabilities
>>>>>> >>>> > would
>>>>>> >>>> > be
>>>>>> >>>> good.
>>>>>> >>>> > Since a lot of people are on college campuses, it'd be a good
>>>>>> >>>> opportunity to
>>>>>> >>>> > get involved with informing people with disabilities (mainly
>>>>>> >>>> > VI)
>>>>>> >>>> > about
>>>>>> >>>> > rights and responsibilities for voting. I've been to/worked
>>>>>> >>>> > at
>>>>>> >>>> > several
>>>>>> >>>> > voter registration drives, and I have NEVER seen information
>>>>>> >>>> > on
>>>>>> >>>> > voting
>>>>>> >>>> if
>>>>>> >>>> > you have a disability.
>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> > On Aug 27, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Cody Bair <codyjbair at yahoo.com>
>>>>>> >>>> > wrote:
>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >> Hi All,
>>>>>> >>>> >> As you are probably already aware, NABS conducts monthly
>>>>>> >>>> >> membership
>>>>>> >>>> calls.
>>>>>> >>>> >> In order to get this school year started we are currently
>>>>>> >>>> >> seeking
>>>>>> >>>> >> your
>>>>>> >>>> >> input on what topics you would like to see us cover this
>>>>>> >>>> >> year.
>>>>>> >>>> >> Please
>>>>>> >>>> >> either reply directly to this thread with your suggestions or
>>>>>> >>>> >> mail
>>>>>> >>>> them
>>>>>> >>>> >> directly to
>>>>>> >>>> >> Nabs.membership at gmail.com
>>>>>> >>>> >> Sincerely,
>>>>>> >>>> >> The NABS membership Committee
>>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>> >>>> >> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> > _______________________________________________
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>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> > _______________________________________________
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>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> --
>>>>>> >>>> Cynthia Bennett
>>>>>> >>>> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> clb5590 at gmail.com
>>>>>> >>>> 828.989.5383
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> > _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Cynthia Bennett
>>>>>> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington
>>>>>>
>>>>>> clb5590 at gmail.com
>>>>>> 828.989.5383
>>>>>>
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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 22:38:40 -0700
From: Ben J Bloomgren <ben.j.bloomgren at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Taking a Course in Chinese
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Hanna,
That's why I wrote my initial message to you. I fear that you're going into this giant's backyard in ignorance. Please know that I am not flaming you by any means. I'm not even trying to sound rude, but I don't want you to run into a buzz saw in class when they're studying Chinese characters while you're wondering about an "alphabet." Chinese does not have an alphabet in the same way in which English does. The characters express words or parts of words, and their meaning and pronunciation must be learned from memory. I'm not trying to scare you off, but it takes the average native-born Chinese student upwards of five years to master the system. There is Pinyin, which is a way to write Mandarin Chinese in regular letters, but that's not how the Chinese public does things. Again, please know that I'm not attempting to start a flame war. I probably sound very arrogant and rude, but I'm just trying to get you to the best experience possible with this tiger
of a group of languages. If you wish to email me off list, please do so: bbloomgren at me.com or on twitter at http://twitter.com/blindbirder
Sincerely,
Ben
On Aug 28, 2012, at 7:22 PM, "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
> Thank you for the info. I'm not interested in learning all the millions of
> characters but rather the Chinese alphabe.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Chun Chao
> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:34 PM
> To: blind-international-students at nfbnet.org
> Cc: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Taking a Course in Chinese
>
> Hello Blind International Students:
>
> The following is a message that was circulated on the National Association
> of Blind Students (NABS) list regarding the use of Braille with foreign
> languages.
> If anyone has any information to contribute to this thread, please send all
> responses directly to NABS at mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>
> Sincerely,
> C.C. Alan
>
> On Aug 28, 2012, at 0:48, "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> My name is Hannah Chadwick, and I'm attending UC Davis this fall. I'm
> planning on double majoring in international relations and linguistics with
> a minor in journalism. I love learning new languages, and will be taking a
> Chinese class. I took Spanish for 2 years in high school and I was able to
> use my BrailleNote for that, but I'm not sure that doing my Chinese work on
> the Apex will be the best idea since the alphabet will be completely
> different.
>
> Has anyone taken a Chinese course before? If so, what did you do in terms of
> writing the Chinese alphabet? Are there software out to that would read the
> language?
>
> Best, Hannah
>
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 11:29:19 -0400
From: <nabs.president at gmail.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Brown, Goldstein & Levy 2013 Disability Rights
Fellowship
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Please see below for a great opportunity for any graduating law students or
young lawyers interested in disability law:
In September 2009, Brown, Goldstein & Levy, LLP welcomed its first
disability rights fellow. We are now accepting applications for our fifth
annual Disability Rights Fellowship to begin in September 2013. The
Fellowship offers a recent law school graduate or judicial clerk with a
disability the opportunity to participate for a year in all phases of
disability rights litigation at our firm in Baltimore, Maryland. Brown,
Goldstein & Levy is a 16-lawyer law firm devoted principally to litigation.
The firm has developed a national reputation for its high-profile,
high-impact disability rights cases. Information about Brown, Goldstein &
Levy, including our past and present work, is available at
www.browngold.com.
The Fellowship is available to law school graduates with a disability and
zero to three years of legal experience. The term of the Fellowship is one
year (September 3, 2013 - August 29, 2014). Salary and benefits will be
commensurate with the salaries paid and benefits provided to non-Fellowship
Brown, Goldstein & Levy attorneys of equivalent experience and
qualifications. The firm offers health insurance, group life insurance, and
group disability insurance. The Fellow should be a member of a state bar or
be planning to obtain admittance to a state bar.
Applicants must have strong academic credentials, excellent writing skills,
and a demonstrated commitment to disability rights. A completed application
will consist of the following:
1. a cover letter, no longer than two pages, explaining the ways in
which you meet the selection criteria;
2. a copy of your law school transcript, including an explanation of
your institution's grading policy;
3. a legal writing sample with a cover page indicating the source of
the sample, any editing or contributions by persons other than the
applicant, and the legal citation style used;
4. a current resume; and
5. a list of three references, including name, relationship, and
contact information.
Applications must be received no later than November 16, 2012. Please submit
your application by e-mail to info at browngold.com or by mail to:
Disability Rights Fellowship
Brown, Goldstein & Levy, LLP
120 E. Baltimore Street, Suite 1700
Baltimore, MD 21202
Many thanks,
Greg
Gregory P. Care
Brown, Goldstein & Levy, LLP
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