From maryesanchez at grandecom.net Wed Feb 1 00:40:37 2012 From: maryesanchez at grandecom.net (Mary Ellen Sanchez) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 18:40:37 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Anyone interested in a new and unused KNFB reader? In-Reply-To: References: <983F875E56BD4406A7BECE76BBF61916@stanford.edu> Message-ID: <008401cce07a$1e0cf7a0$5a26e6e0$@net> Well I am thinking of getting an I phone as well. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of will lindsay Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 5:52 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Anyone interested in a new and unused KNFB reader? This is truethat the phone service is NOT needed if you just desire to use the reader. I personally am willing to part with this although it is an awesome machine. I honestly am in interested in an I -phone. This would be great for someone who wants it truely for the reader but even more so for the reader and the phone. On 1/29/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: > You don't have to have the phone service just to use the reader if you > want to use the reader. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "will lindsay" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 4:18 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] Anyone interested in a new and unused KNFB reader? > > >> Hello fellow students, >> >> My name is Will Lindsay and I live in Baltimmore, Md. I was honored >> and priveledged to have won such a wonderful door prize at our state >> convention in Ocean City, Md. in October of 2011. Unfortunately for >> me I left T-Mobile a month prior to winning this coveted prize that >> has been appraised at nearly #$1,400. I am looking to give it a >> great home and will part with it for as low as $850. >> If there are any takers please email me at will.lindsay1 at gmail.com >> specifying in the subject line your interest. You may also call me >> at 443.415.9828. I look forward to hearing from you for more than >> this transaction. >> >> Academically yours, >> >> Lindsay >> -- >> "...given proper training and opportunity, the average blind person >> can do the average job in the average place of business and do it as >> well as his or her sighted neighbor..." Freedom for the Blind, James >> H. 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Omvig _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/maryesanchez%40grandecom .net From mauidf81 at gmail.com Wed Feb 1 05:41:16 2012 From: mauidf81 at gmail.com (Danielle Fernandez) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 23:41:16 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Spread the Word: NABS Cafe Feb. 6, 2012 In-Reply-To: References: <003e01ccdf1d$4f1d07d0$ed571770$@com> Message-ID: <001e01cce0a4$1ec38450$5c4a8cf0$@gmail.com> I just wanted to let everyone know that I will post the event tomorrow. I have been studying for two midterms I should be done tm. But just wanted to let you know! Face book has changed so this will be interesting but I will work it out. Have a great Wednesday! Sincerely, Danielle -----Original Message----- From: Darian Smith [mailto:dsmithnfb at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 1:20 PM To: Nfbwvabs at nfbnet.org; Minnesota Students; Kentucky Students; massabs at nfbnet.org; cabs-talk; aabs-forum at nfbnet.org; New Jersey Students; mabs; Florida Students; wabs at nfbwis.org; Utah Students; kansas-blind-students at nfbnet.org; Nebraska; National Association of Blind Students mailing list; Tennessee Students; Illinois Students; Nyabs; Oabs at nfbnet.org; New Hampshire Students; Louisiana Students; New Mexico Association of Blind Students; Gabs at nfbnet.org; Virginia Students; North Carolina Students; mi-abs at nfbnet.org; List for NABS State Presidents; cabs at nfbnet.org; Texas Association of Blind Students Subject: Fwd: Spread the Word: NABS Cafe Feb. 6, 2012 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Sean Whalen Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 01:03:43 -0600 Subject: Spread the Word: NABS Cafe Feb. 6, 2012 To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org, List for NABS State Presidents Hello friends, Please find attached, as well as pasted below, all the info on NABS’ exciting fundraiser taking place on Monday February 6. As you make your plans for Washington Seminar, please plan to drop in and support NABS and the important work we all do together. It promises to be a great time, so stop on by, and tell all your friends! Please forward this message to anybody you know who might be interested in attending. Your assistance in getting out the word is most appreciated. Many thanks, Sean NABS Café When: Monday, February 6 from 8:00pm to midnight Where: The Discovery II room of the Holiday Inn Capitol, 550 C Street SW, Washington, DC What: Live music; silent and live auction; cash bar, free snacks; and the chance to meet and mingle with new friends and old, while supporting the National Association of Blind students How Much: $5 with advanced purchase and $7 at the door Why: Because it’s going to be Awesome! The National Association of Blind Students would like to cordially invite you to attend NABS Café 2012! Drop in between 8:00 and 9:00 pm to place silent bids on an excellent list of auction items (including: a pair of Disney Park Hopper passes, a week in a luxury 6 bedroom vacation home on North Carolina’s Outer Banks, a SmartView video magnifier, a Victor Reader Stream, gift baskets from Lush and Mary Kay, iPod accessories, chocolate, wine, and so much more), and then stick around throughout the night as all-star auctioneer Jacki Brown brings items live, while entertaining bidders and spectators alike! >From 9:00 to midnight items will be auctioned off between sets of live music, performed by some of the NFB’s most talented musicians, like Parnell Diggs, Chris Danielson, Briley Pollard, Richie Flores, Sean Whalen, and others. And, of course, there will be a cash bar, as well as light snacks available at no charge. So, come on out, bring your friends, and make some new ones! All are invited to support the important work of the NFB students. To prepurchase tickets for $5, see any member of the NABS board on Sunday February 5, or before the event on Monday, February 6. We’ll be all over the hotel, and making our presence known. You can also find us at the NABS winter seminar in the foyer to Discovery II between 9:00am and 1:00pm, or at our resource fair for blind students between 2:30 and 4:00 pm in the same location. If you wish to prepurchase, but are unable to find a NABS board member, please call, text or email Sean Whalen at 608 332-4147 or smwhalenpsp at gmail.com. We will get you hooked up! Tickets will also be available for $7 at the door. We look forward to seeing you on Monday February 6! -- Darian Smith "To dream what is possible and to put oneself in service of that dream is the formula for a life well lived." - Dr. Peter Benson ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4778 - Release Date: 01/31/12 From smwhalenpsp at gmail.com Wed Feb 1 06:13:36 2012 From: smwhalenpsp at gmail.com (Sean Whalen) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 00:13:36 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] The Winter Slate is Here! Message-ID: <00c501cce0a8$a3d059d0$eb710d70$@com> Good evening, On behalf of NABS, we are proud to present, for your reading pleasure, the attached winter 2011/2012 edition of the Student Slate. It will be posted on www.nabslink.org shortly, as well. As always, please send any comments or article suggestions to slate at nabslink.org. Thanks, and enjoy! Karen, Cindy and Sean -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Complete Slate Winter 2011 - 2012.doc Type: application/msword Size: 101376 bytes Desc: not available URL: From smwhalenpsp at gmail.com Wed Feb 1 07:13:54 2012 From: smwhalenpsp at gmail.com (Sean Whalen) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 01:13:54 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Notes for January Message-ID: <00da01cce0b1$10305d20$30911760$@com> NABS Notes January 2012 In this edition of NABS’ monthly bulletin: 1. NABS’ Mid-Winter Seminar is Upon Us 2. NABS Café: Good Times, Great Cause 3. Watch our Website 4. State Announcements 5. Meeting Minutes NABS’ Mid-Winter Seminar is Upon Us It’s just about that time of year once again. As you pack your bags and prepare to converge on Washington DC for the NFB Washington Seminar, don’t forget to mark your calendar for NABS’ Mid-Winter Gathering, being held on Monday, February 6 in the Discovery II room of the Holiday Inn Capitol, 550 C Street SW, Washington, DC. Registration will open at 8:00am, and the meeting will start promptly at 9:00 and run until 4:00. We will be presenting speakers and holding breakout sessions from 9:00 to 1:00, and after lunch, there will be a resource fair from 2:30 to 4:00. Come on out to learn about scholarship opportunities, find out more about what NABS is up to, and engage in discussions about technology and professional development. Students will also have the chance to hear from a blind science Ph.D and documentarian, as well as getting hot tips on legislative advocacy from the NFB’s governmental affairs all-stars. Don’t miss it! NABS Café: Good Times, Great Cause When: Monday, February 6 from 8:00pm to midnight Where: The Discovery II room of the Holiday Inn Capitol, 550 C Street SW, Washington, DC What: Live music; silent and live auction; cash bar, free snacks; and the chance to meet and mingle with new friends and old, while supporting the National Association of Blind students How Much: $5 with advanced purchase and $7 at the door Why: Because it’s going to be Awesome! The National Association of Blind Students would like to cordially invite you to attend NABS Café 2012! Drop in between 8:00 and 9:00 pm to place silent bids on an excellent list of auction items (including: a pair of Disney Park Hopper passes, a week in a luxury 6 bedroom vacation home on North Carolina’s Outer Banks, a SmartView video magnifier, a Victor Reader Stream, gift baskets from Lush and Mary Kay, iPod accessories, chocolate, wine, and so much more), and then stick around throughout the night as all-star auctioneer Jacki Brown brings items live, while entertaining bidders and spectators alike! >From 9:00 to midnight items will be auctioned off between sets of live music, performed by some of the NFB’s most talented musicians, like Parnell Diggs, Chris Danielson, Briley Pollard, Richie Flores, Sean Whalen, and Michelle Yang. And, of course, there will be a cash bar, as well as light snacks available at no charge. So, come on out, bring your friends, and make some new ones! All are invited to support the important work of the NFB students. To prepurchase tickets for $5, see any member of the NABS board on Sunday February 5, or before the event on Monday, February 6. We’ll be all over the hotel, and making our presence known. You can also find us at the NABS winter seminar in the foyer to Discovery II between 9:00am and 1:00pm, or at our resource fair for blind students between 2:30 and 4:00 pm in the same location. If you wish to prepurchase, but are unable to find a NABS board member, please call, text or email Sean Whalen at 608 332-4147 or smwhalenpsp at gmail.com. We will get you hooked up! Tickets will also be available for $7 at the door. We look forward to seeing you on Monday February 6! Watch our Website The NABS Website Committee has been hard at work compiling a list of resources for blind students for nabslink.org, and it is almost ready to go live! Keep an eye on your inbox, because a link will be distributed shortly to a test version of the page. We want all of you to check it out and let us know what you think. Do you have suggestions for additional categories of resources? Did we overlook something obvious that isn’t included? Do you have a well-kept secret of a resource of which the world should be aware? Let us know! The link will be circulated on our list serve in the near future, and the page will be posted live before our February 6 meeting! State Announcements Note: All announcements are printed below as they were received from their senders. No effort to edit for content, grammar or clarity has been made on the part of NABS. North Carolina The North Carolina Association of Blind Students will be hosting its fourth annual student seminar on St. Patrick’s Day, Saturday, March 17, 2012. We are quite proud of our exhibit hall; last year, it had 28 exhibits. Our event caught the attention of the North Carolina Conference on Visual Impairment and Blindness, a professional conference for those who serve the blind in North Carolina. They contacted us, and we agreed to share the campus with them for the seminar so that we could share the exhibit hall and lunch. To help fund the event, we have opened a formal sponsorship program. There is no residency requirement, and everyone from everywhere is invited. Our flyer is being distributed widely. For more information, visit www.ncabs.org , or see the flyer that is attached to this email. Meeting Minutes Please find the minutes for NABS’ January 2012 board meeting attached to this message, as well as pasted below. As always, please do not hesitate to contact me with any questions, concerns or suggestions. The NABS Board works for you, and we want to know how we’re doing! Thanks for reading, and we’ll be back in February. Sean Whalen President, National Association of Blind Students (608) 332-4147 Nabs.president at gmail.com National Association of blind Students Minutes for 1-5-2012 The meeting was called to order at 8)40 Eastern. Sean reports that the state presidents call will be held on January 25 at 8:30 Eastern. One of the plans for this call will be to set up a regular meeting time. Washington seminar: Domonique reports that they have collected 17 items for the auction. Sean has put out a call on the lists to see who would like to play at NABS Café. Domonique will also be Brailing the agendas for the student meeting at LCB and will bring them with her. Sean has had a good response to the resource fair, and has several confirmations. Sean and the Washington Seminar committee are still working on organizing the agenda. Website: Meghan is going to post the message about the Washington Seminar meeting on our website for people’s reference. The committee is working on updating the contact list. Each board member will remain in charge of updating their individual spreadsheet, and Candice will be keeping the master list up to date. Student Slate: Though we have been looking at publishing the Slate for several weeks, we are still waiting on the NFB Washington Seminar fact sheets. When those are posted we will put the link for them in the article about Washington Seminar, to make them easier for people to find. Membership: They held a call tonight about Washington Seminar, and there will be another call next weekend. Sean and Tony are working on a database for our membership, which will make a huge step forward in terms of sending out our information and managing our information. We are still working on getting a spring seminar together. The meeting was adjourned at 9:12 PM. Respectfully submitted, Karen Anderson 1st Vice President -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I will have to see the list and, then I might think of one and then have it added to the list afterwards if that's okay or not? Thanks again and, I will talk to you soon. Hugs, amy -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sean Whalen Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 12:14 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org; 'List for NABS State Presidents' Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Notes for January NABS Notes January 2012 In this edition of NABS’ monthly bulletin: 1. NABS’ Mid-Winter Seminar is Upon Us 2. NABS Café: Good Times, Great Cause 3. Watch our Website 4. State Announcements 5. Meeting Minutes NABS’ Mid-Winter Seminar is Upon Us It’s just about that time of year once again. As you pack your bags and prepare to converge on Washington DC for the NFB Washington Seminar, don’t forget to mark your calendar for NABS’ Mid-Winter Gathering, being held on Monday, February 6 in the Discovery II room of the Holiday Inn Capitol, 550 C Street SW, Washington, DC. Registration will open at 8:00am, and the meeting will start promptly at 9:00 and run until 4:00. We will be presenting speakers and holding breakout sessions from 9:00 to 1:00, and after lunch, there will be a resource fair from 2:30 to 4:00. Come on out to learn about scholarship opportunities, find out more about what NABS is up to, and engage in discussions about technology and professional development. Students will also have the chance to hear from a blind science Ph.D and documentarian, as well as getting hot tips on legislative advocacy from the NFB’s governmental affairs all-stars. Don’t miss it! NABS Café: Good Times, Great Cause When: Monday, February 6 from 8:00pm to midnight Where: The Discovery II room of the Holiday Inn Capitol, 550 C Street SW, Washington, DC What: Live music; silent and live auction; cash bar, free snacks; and the chance to meet and mingle with new friends and old, while supporting the National Association of Blind students How Much: $5 with advanced purchase and $7 at the door Why: Because it’s going to be Awesome! The National Association of Blind Students would like to cordially invite you to attend NABS Café 2012! Drop in between 8:00 and 9:00 pm to place silent bids on an excellent list of auction items (including: a pair of Disney Park Hopper passes, a week in a luxury 6 bedroom vacation home on North Carolina’s Outer Banks, a SmartView video magnifier, a Victor Reader Stream, gift baskets from Lush and Mary Kay, iPod accessories, chocolate, wine, and so much more), and then stick around throughout the night as all-star auctioneer Jacki Brown brings items live, while entertaining bidders and spectators alike! >From 9:00 to midnight items will be auctioned off between sets of live music, performed by some of the NFB’s most talented musicians, like Parnell Diggs, Chris Danielson, Briley Pollard, Richie Flores, Sean Whalen, and Michelle Yang. And, of course, there will be a cash bar, as well as light snacks available at no charge. So, come on out, bring your friends, and make some new ones! All are invited to support the important work of the NFB students. To prepurchase tickets for $5, see any member of the NABS board on Sunday February 5, or before the event on Monday, February 6. We’ll be all over the hotel, and making our presence known. You can also find us at the NABS winter seminar in the foyer to Discovery II between 9:00am and 1:00pm, or at our resource fair for blind students between 2:30 and 4:00 pm in the same location. If you wish to prepurchase, but are unable to find a NABS board member, please call, text or email Sean Whalen at 608 332-4147 or smwhalenpsp at gmail.com. We will get you hooked up! Tickets will also be available for $7 at the door. We look forward to seeing you on Monday February 6! Watch our Website The NABS Website Committee has been hard at work compiling a list of resources for blind students for nabslink.org, and it is almost ready to go live! Keep an eye on your inbox, because a link will be distributed shortly to a test version of the page. We want all of you to check it out and let us know what you think. Do you have suggestions for additional categories of resources? Did we overlook something obvious that isn’t included? Do you have a well-kept secret of a resource of which the world should be aware? Let us know! The link will be circulated on our list serve in the near future, and the page will be posted live before our February 6 meeting! State Announcements Note: All announcements are printed below as they were received from their senders. No effort to edit for content, grammar or clarity has been made on the part of NABS. North Carolina The North Carolina Association of Blind Students will be hosting its fourth annual student seminar on St. Patrick’s Day, Saturday, March 17, 2012. We are quite proud of our exhibit hall; last year, it had 28 exhibits. Our event caught the attention of the North Carolina Conference on Visual Impairment and Blindness, a professional conference for those who serve the blind in North Carolina. They contacted us, and we agreed to share the campus with them for the seminar so that we could share the exhibit hall and lunch. To help fund the event, we have opened a formal sponsorship program. There is no residency requirement, and everyone from everywhere is invited. Our flyer is being distributed widely. For more information, visit www.ncabs.org , or see the flyer that is attached to this email. Meeting Minutes Please find the minutes for NABS’ January 2012 board meeting attached to this message, as well as pasted below. As always, please do not hesitate to contact me with any questions, concerns or suggestions. The NABS Board works for you, and we want to know how we’re doing! Thanks for reading, and we’ll be back in February. Sean Whalen President, National Association of Blind Students (608) 332-4147 Nabs.president at gmail.com National Association of blind Students Minutes for 1-5-2012 The meeting was called to order at 8)40 Eastern. Sean reports that the state presidents call will be held on January 25 at 8:30 Eastern. One of the plans for this call will be to set up a regular meeting time. Washington seminar: Domonique reports that they have collected 17 items for the auction. Sean has put out a call on the lists to see who would like to play at NABS Café. Domonique will also be Brailing the agendas for the student meeting at LCB and will bring them with her. Sean has had a good response to the resource fair, and has several confirmations. Sean and the Washington Seminar committee are still working on organizing the agenda. Website: Meghan is going to post the message about the Washington Seminar meeting on our website for people’s reference. The committee is working on updating the contact list. Each board member will remain in charge of updating their individual spreadsheet, and Candice will be keeping the master list up to date. Student Slate: Though we have been looking at publishing the Slate for several weeks, we are still waiting on the NFB Washington Seminar fact sheets. When those are posted we will put the link for them in the article about Washington Seminar, to make them easier for people to find. Membership: They held a call tonight about Washington Seminar, and there will be another call next weekend. Sean and Tony are working on a database for our membership, which will make a huge step forward in terms of sending out our information and managing our information. We are still working on getting a spring seminar together. The meeting was adjourned at 9:12 PM. Respectfully submitted, Karen Anderson 1st Vice President From troubleclark at gmail.com Wed Feb 1 15:45:10 2012 From: troubleclark at gmail.com (Nathan Clark) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 10:45:10 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] My It Lab Message-ID: Dear Nabs, My name is Nathan Clark and I was wondering if anyone has ever used MY IT Lab for a college technology and business class. Thank you for your time and any help would be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Nathan Clark From daviddod at buffalo.edu Wed Feb 1 16:25:15 2012 From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 11:25:15 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Save-the-Date! Diversity in Disability Symposium April 14 2012 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Everyone, On behalf of the Diversity in Disability Planning Committee at the University at Buffalo (UB) I would like to present to you UB's first "Diversity in Disability" symposium. *Please note that this event is free, includes lunch, and is open to anyone wishing to participate!* *WHO:* Dr. Mike Rembis, PhD. Associate Director of the Center for Disability Studies SUNY’s University at Buffalo Ari Ne’eman Founding President of The Autistic Self Advocacy Network (ASAN) Stacey Milbern Community Outreach Director - National Youth Leadership Network (NYLN) Zach Anner Comedian and Host - “Rolling With Zach” on OWN *WHAT:* When one thinks of diversity what comes to mind? Usually, we think of race, religion, and ethnicity. This symposium, appropriate for students, faculty, and professionals, will explore “Diversity in Disability.” Disability is not an obstacle; it’s a difference! Hear from national level presenters, question panel participants, and see exhibits from Buffalo’s Museum of disABILITY History as we explore and grow to understand and appreciate these differences. *WHERE:* Center for Tomorrow Flint & Service Center Roads University at Buffalo North Campus Amherst, NY 14260 *WHEN:* Saturday, April 14, 2012 9:00 a.m. - 4:00 p.m. Registration sign in begins at 8:30! *HOW: *Go to the following website to register: http://www.ubevents.org/event/ddsymposium Please see attached for more information. We encourage you to forward this e-mail to students, faculty, staff, and members of the community! David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. State University of New York Student Assembly English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Diversity in Disability Symposium Flyer.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 193666 bytes Desc: not available URL: From gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 1 17:45:58 2012 From: gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net (Hai Nguyen Ly) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 12:45:58 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Receive a Free $15 Uber Ground Transportation Credit for NFB Washington Seminar 2012 Message-ID: <0CDF8F9F-2234-41BE-A02D-1C81716C8C88@sbcglobal.net> http://nfbma.org/uber Receive a Free $15 Uber Ground Transportation Credit for NFB Washington Seminar 2012 Uber is an on-demand private driving service that instantly connects you to a professional private driver via SMS. Uber is also available in cities like Washington, NYC, Boston, San Francisco, Seattle, Chicago, and even Paris. As part of the NFB Washington Seminar 2012 event, we have arranged a $15 attendee discount for new users to Uber. This $15 credit, in most cases, should get you a free ride between the Holiday Inn Capitol and the House or Senate office buildings. You can of course use the service and discount code for any other ride as well. There are three steps to taking your ride: Step 1: Sign up at http://Uber.com and enter the promo code NFBWS12. The promo code is not case sensitive. Step 2: You should receive a text message from Uber and you should reply "GO". If you do not receive a confirmation text message, text "GO" to 827-222 and you should receive a response. This completes the link between your cell phone and your new Uber account. Step 3: Request your ride via SMS text message to 827-222 and ride in style! Simply text the address you are at, for example: 550 C Street SW, DC. Respond "YES" to the text message to confirm your ride request. You will receive an estimated time of arrival, and your drivers name and telephone number. Below are some frequently asked questions you may have, and that address some situations: Q: How can I find out more about Uber? A: Visit their web site at https://www.uber.com or follow @uber_dc on Twitter. You can ask questions via Twitter, as well. Q: What are some typical Uber fares in the area of the Washington Seminar? A: Most fares in the Capitol Hill area or downtown should range between $15-25. Fares may vary based on traffic and distance from your location. Q: Why do I need to enter in my credit card information? A: Uber will charge your credit card any additional balance beyond the $15 credit, and for any future rides you take. Uber drivers do not handle cash and tip is included in the rate. When the ride is over, you simply exit the car, and the payment is automatically charged to your credit card. Q: What if I signed up on the Uber site, but I did not enter the promotion code? A: You can text the NFBWS12 code to Uber at the same 827-222 SMS short code, and it will be added to your account as long as you have not yet taken an Uber ride. Q: How can I verify the promotion is on my account? A: Log in to your account at https://www.uber.com and access your dashboard. Then click "promotions." You can view and add promotion codes on this screen as well as during sign-up, and by SMS text message. Q: What about the iOS and Android Uber apps? Are they accessible? A: There are known issues being addressed by Uber development with the iOS and Android app. You may be able to access some functions with in the app, but the text message interface is recommended at this time until a new version is released. In particular, the function to rate a driver in the iOS app is not accessible, and the app may get stuck on this screen preventing you from booking additional rides through the app. Q: Why is Uber running this promotion, and why are we partnering with them? A: Uber is excited to be involved in the communities it serves, and often works to cross-promote events. The partnership will also extend the dialog we have in place to bring about more accessibility to the Uber apps. In short, we’ll get to know Uber and they’ll get to know us, which is a good thing! Also, we are partnering with innovative brands and technologies to enhance member experience and spread the word about accessibility and universal design. Q: Why use Uber instead of a cab? A: Uber is an entirely different transportation alternative for DC that is convenient, reliable, and comfortable. Rather than waiting outside in the cold to hail a cab, you can instead request a ride via SMS and know exactly when it will arrive. In addition, Uber rides are all in high-end vehicles such as Lincoln Town Cars, Mercedes-Benz, high-end SUV's, and more, with professional drivers who are happy to take you anywhere you need to go. Q: What if I have questions not answered here, that I cannot find on the Uber web site, or I need help with something from the company? A: Alex Priest, the Uber DC Community Manager is happy to help you out, you can reach him at supportDC at uber.com, or on Twitter at Uber_DC. You can also tweet me @pyyhkala with your feedback, but you should contact the company directly for help with any specific rides or transactions. From nfbcsoutreach at gmail.com Wed Feb 1 20:49:52 2012 From: nfbcsoutreach at gmail.com (community service Outreach) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 14:49:52 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Looking for community service stories Message-ID: Hello, everyone, Please pass the following announcement on to anyone you think would be interested. February begins National Green Week*, and spring is also the time for the Great American Cleanup**. With this in mind and with spring and warmer weather approaching, throughout February the Community Service Group is looking for stories about your outdoor or green community service experiences to feature on its blog at nfbcommunityservice.wordpress.com. Have you helped to plant a garden? Cleaned up a section of highway? Worked on a recycling project? We want to hear about it! You can start sending in your stories on February 1. Stories should be no more than 500 words. Stories should be submitted by February 20 to ensure inclusion in the blog during the month of February, but this is a month-long event. In keeping with the theme, we want to feature stories throughout the month, so feel free to send them in any time between now and the 20th. Send stories as an attachment or in the body of a message to Christine-parsons at sbcglobal.net. Be sure to include your name, state, and a title with each submission. I look forward to reading about your experiences. *National Green Week is an initiative created by the Green Education Fund. More information about National Green Week can be found at http://www.greeneducationfoundation.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=section&layout=blog&id=6&Itemid=223. **The Great American Cleanup is an initiative created by Keep America Beautiful. More information about the Great American Cleanup can be found at http://www.kab.org/site/PageServer?pagename=gaclanding. Chris Parsons Blog Coordinator, Community Service Group From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Wed Feb 1 23:13:57 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2012 18:13:57 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school Message-ID: <4f29c738.c36ce00a.52c7.444d@mx.google.com> Hi everyone, I had a problem at school today that I'd like to get your thoughts on as to what I should do next. Today during lunch, another kid at my table dumped his bag of pretzels into my water bottle without my knowing; he must have thought it was some kind of funny prank. Fortunately, I was sitting next to a good friend of mine, who told me about this. Even after multiple people commented negatively about what he did, he said nothing. Variations on this have happened before with this same kid as the perpetrater; only once before today this school year and 3 times last year. The one time something like this happened this year, he put his dirty napkin in my Yogurt cup (after I had finished eating the Yogurt) without saying anything. The first time (with the napkin,) I realized that this had happened as I was getting my trash together to throw it away. Knowing who did it, since he'd done this kind of thing before last year, I said, "(Insert name,) why is your napkin in my Yogurt?" Knowing that he had been caught, he replied, "Oh... sorry." I then talked to the lunch lady who is in charge of supervising all of us in the lunchroom. She said she would talk to him. I wasn't there when she did, but apparently she had, as the problem (for about a month and a half) had been resolved... that is, until today. I feel that this is a person taking advantage of my blindness and playing a "prank" on me knowing that I won't catch him. So, what do you think I should do next? Should I go to our principal? Should I talk to him directly? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Wed Feb 1 23:18:43 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 17:18:43 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school In-Reply-To: <4f29c738.c36ce00a.52c7.444d@mx.google.com> References: <4f29c738.c36ce00a.52c7.444d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Chris, I know what you're going through. I had a girl, put a dead frog in my shirt, as we were playing outside, (I was in elementary school, when that happened.) Go to your principal, and he/she should do something. This stuff has got to stop! If they don't do anything, go in front of the schoolboard! Blessings, Joshua On 2/1/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I had a problem at school today that I'd like to get your > thoughts on as to what I should do next. Today during lunch, > another kid at my table dumped his bag of pretzels into my water > bottle without my knowing; he must have thought it was some kind > of funny prank. Fortunately, I was sitting next to a good friend > of mine, who told me about this. Even after multiple people > commented negatively about what he did, he said nothing. > > Variations on this have happened before with this same kid as the > perpetrater; only once before today this school year and 3 times > last year. The one time something like this happened this year, > he put his dirty napkin in my Yogurt cup (after I had finished > eating the Yogurt) without saying anything. The first time (with > the napkin,) I realized that this had happened as I was getting > my trash together to throw it away. Knowing who did it, since > he'd done this kind of thing before last year, I said, "(Insert > name,) why is your napkin in my Yogurt?" Knowing that he had been > caught, he replied, "Oh... sorry." I then talked to the lunch > lady who is in charge of supervising all of us in the lunchroom. > She said she would talk to him. I wasn't there when she did, but > apparently she had, as the problem (for about a month and a half) > had been resolved... that is, until today. > > I feel that this is a person taking advantage of my blindness and > playing a "prank" on me knowing that I won't catch him. So, what > do you think I should do next? Should I go to our principal? > Should I talk to him directly? Any suggestions would be greatly > appreciated! > Thanks, > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Wed Feb 1 23:30:20 2012 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2012 16:30:20 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school Message-ID: <4f29cb46.90d7e70a.600b.2aa1@mx.google.com> Hi, Chris. I'd talk to the principal and the kid. And I'd make it clear that taking advantage of you is no game plan from now on. I'd also tell him not to mess around with you because you're blind, and for any reason. We already have a lot of problems in elementary and middle schools with bullies. Bullies abuse and harass LGBT kids and handicapped kids who are labeled with the aggressive R word, which I will not use on this list. We do not need a bully in your corner, do we? AFter all, bullies can arrouse some pretty mean stuff in kids, especially good kids. If this kid for instance dumped a bag of pretzels into a water bottle, tell him he needs to buy you another water bottle. I stayed at a facility once where a kid dumped milk in my cereal, and someone told me he was doing so. I screamed at him (don't try that because some people won't take kindly to that, but just be firm if you can.) and told him he better get me another bowl of cereal and leave me alone. I didn'gt particularly like the kid in question because he was creepy and thought Hillary Duff was watching him through his CD player. Talk about mentally disturbed. Hmmmm. Good luck. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Nusbaum References: <4f29c738.c36ce00a.52c7.444d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: When I was in elementary school, I had kids stealing books from me, throwing erasers in my hair, pulling chairs out from under me, you name it, they did it. The worst part was that most times, my teachers were right there, and refused to do anything about it, because they too were uncomfortable with my blindness, so why should they intervene? I say this because it wasn't so long ago that this happened to me. I grew up in the 90's, before bullying was the huge deal it is now, but still close enough to the events of Columbine that it wasn't completely unheard of either. And it was as "unacceptable" then as it is now. Yes, I put unacceptable in quotes, because guess what, it happens every day and so little of it is actually dealt with. Meanwhile, things that are no real problem at all are resulting in criminal records, such as a case I heard about recently where a boy gave his friend a hug in school and was charged with sexual harassment. I forget their exact ages, but they were young, elementary school age. And yet, kids are driven to suicide, depression, drugs, and every other dysfunction in the book, because they're bullied mercilessly every day and no one will do anything about it. Why do I say all this? I say it because I hope your school isn't like mine was. I hope that someone in authority actually cares. I hope that it doesn't escalate, because most kids have a cruel streak. I think it's true what they say about the impulsiveness of adolescents--it's human nature to be cruel, and at that age, most of us haven't learned how to control those impulses or aggressions, making them the most prone not only to selfishness and thoughtlessness, but to almost animal rage, not to mention an inability to see beyond their own actions to how they might be affecting others. My point is, people like this have to be stopped. Perhaps if something can get through to them while they're still young and impressionable, they might not grow up to be tomorrow's criminals. Or maybe they will, who knows. But I've seen enough to know what usually happens in these situations, even if it was 15 years ago; and, in saying that, I hope things have evolved at least a little bit since then. It makes me sick to read messages like this. I hope for your sake that these small actions do not go untouched. Right now this kid is probably testing the waters, seeing just how much he can get away with. If he can steal a pack of gum, so to speak, he may try to steal a candy bar next, then a bag of chips, and on and on it goes, you get the picture. On 2/1/12, Joshua Lester wrote: > Chris, I know what you're going through. > I had a girl, put a dead frog in my shirt, as we were playing outside, > (I was in elementary school, when that happened.) > Go to your principal, and he/she should do something. > This stuff has got to stop! > If they don't do anything, go in front of the schoolboard! > Blessings, Joshua > > On 2/1/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> I had a problem at school today that I'd like to get your >> thoughts on as to what I should do next. Today during lunch, >> another kid at my table dumped his bag of pretzels into my water >> bottle without my knowing; he must have thought it was some kind >> of funny prank. Fortunately, I was sitting next to a good friend >> of mine, who told me about this. Even after multiple people >> commented negatively about what he did, he said nothing. >> >> Variations on this have happened before with this same kid as the >> perpetrater; only once before today this school year and 3 times >> last year. The one time something like this happened this year, >> he put his dirty napkin in my Yogurt cup (after I had finished >> eating the Yogurt) without saying anything. The first time (with >> the napkin,) I realized that this had happened as I was getting >> my trash together to throw it away. Knowing who did it, since >> he'd done this kind of thing before last year, I said, "(Insert >> name,) why is your napkin in my Yogurt?" Knowing that he had been >> caught, he replied, "Oh... sorry." I then talked to the lunch >> lady who is in charge of supervising all of us in the lunchroom. >> She said she would talk to him. I wasn't there when she did, but >> apparently she had, as the problem (for about a month and a half) >> had been resolved... that is, until today. >> >> I feel that this is a person taking advantage of my blindness and >> playing a "prank" on me knowing that I won't catch him. So, what >> do you think I should do next? Should I go to our principal? >> Should I talk to him directly? Any suggestions would be greatly >> appreciated! >> Thanks, >> >> Chris >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >> nuisance." >> -- Kenneth Jernigan >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com > From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Wed Feb 1 23:54:31 2012 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2012 16:54:31 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school Message-ID: <4f29d0f3.123de70a.5c62.3255@mx.google.com> I knew this kid, speaking of criminals who were playground and school bullies, who was always harassing me, got mein trouble at lunch one day in elementary school, and later went on to rape somebody and go to jail for it. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: Desiree Oudinot wrote: Chris, I know what you're going through. I had a girl, put a dead frog in my shirt, as we were playing outside, (I was in elementary school, when that happened.) Go to your principal, and he/she should do something. This stuff has got to stop! If they don't do anything, go in front of the schoolboard! Blessings, Joshua On 2/1/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: Hi everyone, I had a problem at school today that I'd like to get your thoughts on as to what I should do next. Today during lunch, another kid at my table dumped his bag of pretzels into my water bottle without my knowing; he must have thought it was some kind of funny prank. Fortunately, I was sitting next to a good friend of mine, who told me about this. Even after multiple people commented negatively about what he did, he said nothing. Variations on this have happened before with this same kid as the perpetrater; only once before today this school year and 3 times last year. The one time something like this happened this year, he put his dirty napkin in my Yogurt cup (after I had finished eating the Yogurt) without saying anything. The first time (with the napkin,) I realized that this had happened as I was getting my trash together to throw it away. Knowing who did it, since he'd done this kind of thing before last year, I said, "(Insert name,) why is your napkin in my Yogurt?" Knowing that he had been caught, he replied, "Oh... sorry." I then talked to the lunch lady who is in charge of supervising all of us in the lunchroom. She said she would talk to him. I wasn't there when she did, but apparently she had, as the problem (for about a month and a half) had been resolved... that is, until today. I feel that this is a person taking advantage of my blindness and playing a "prank" on me knowing that I won't catch him. So, what do you think I should do next? Should I go to our principal? Should I talk to him directly? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17 %40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo se%40gmail.com From gloria.graves at gmail.com Wed Feb 1 23:56:03 2012 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 17:56:03 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school References: <4f29c738.c36ce00a.52c7.444d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <38EC71FD7B3B47E98CFAF95DAECE3314@Gloria> Hi, I would go to your principle because you said something to him about the napkin and he didn't stop. I think it is just a sick person getting a laugh on the pain of someone else. You shouldn't allow things like that to continue because next time it could be something that could endanger your safety. Just a thought! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" To: "NFB NABS list" Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 5:13 PM Subject: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > Hi everyone, > > I had a problem at school today that I'd like to get your thoughts on as > to what I should do next. Today during lunch, another kid at my table > dumped his bag of pretzels into my water bottle without my knowing; he > must have thought it was some kind of funny prank. Fortunately, I was > sitting next to a good friend of mine, who told me about this. Even after > multiple people commented negatively about what he did, he said nothing. > > Variations on this have happened before with this same kid as the > perpetrater; only once before today this school year and 3 times last > year. The one time something like this happened this year, he put his > dirty napkin in my Yogurt cup (after I had finished eating the Yogurt) > without saying anything. The first time (with the napkin,) I realized > that this had happened as I was getting my trash together to throw it > away. Knowing who did it, since he'd done this kind of thing before last > year, I said, "(Insert name,) why is your napkin in my Yogurt?" Knowing > that he had been caught, he replied, "Oh... sorry." I then talked to the > lunch lady who is in charge of supervising all of us in the lunchroom. > She said she would talk to him. I wasn't there when she did, but > apparently she had, as the problem (for about a month and a half) had been > resolved... that is, until today. > > I feel that this is a person taking advantage of my blindness and playing > a "prank" on me knowing that I won't catch him. So, what do you think I > should do next? Should I go to our principal? Should I talk to him > directly? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! > Thanks, > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a > blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be > reduced to a mere physical nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From hope.paulos at gmail.com Thu Feb 2 00:48:31 2012 From: hope.paulos at gmail.com (Hope Paulos) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 19:48:31 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school References: <4f29d0f3.123de70a.5c62.3255@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Chris. I'm assuming you're in high school.. I'd go to both your principal and your guidance counselor. I wouldn't talk to him directly-- I think he'd get more dicipline if you had the principal talk to him. I'd also bring it up during your IEP/PET. HTH Hope and Beignet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >I knew this kid, speaking of criminals who were playground and school >bullies, who was always harassing me, got mein trouble at lunch one day in >elementary school, and later went on to rape somebody and go to jail for >it. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Desiree Oudinot To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 18:41:07 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > When I was in elementary school, I had kids stealing books from me, > throwing erasers in my hair, pulling chairs out from under me, you > name it, they did it. The worst part was that most times, my teachers > were right there, and refused to do anything about it, because they > too were uncomfortable with my blindness, so why should they > intervene? I say this because it wasn't so long ago that this happened > to me. I grew up in the 90's, before bullying was the huge deal it is > now, but still close enough to the events of Columbine that it wasn't > completely unheard of either. And it was as "unacceptable" then as it > is now. Yes, I put unacceptable in quotes, because guess what, it > happens every day and so little of it is actually dealt with. > Meanwhile, things that are no real problem at all are resulting in > criminal records, such as a case I heard about recently where a boy > gave his friend a hug in school and was charged with sexual > harassment. I forget their exact ages, but they were young, elementary > school age. And yet, kids are driven to suicide, depression, drugs, > and every other dysfunction in the book, because they're bullied > mercilessly every day and no one will do anything about it. > Why do I say all this? I say it because I hope your school isn't like > mine was. I hope that someone in authority actually cares. I hope that > it doesn't escalate, because most kids have a cruel streak. I think > it's true what they say about the impulsiveness of adolescents--it's > human nature to be cruel, and at that age, most of us haven't learned > how to control those impulses or aggressions, making them the most > prone not only to selfishness and thoughtlessness, but to almost > animal rage, not to mention an inability to see beyond their own > actions to how they might be affecting others. My point is, people > like this have to be stopped. Perhaps if something can get through to > them while they're still young and impressionable, they might not grow > up to be tomorrow's criminals. Or maybe they will, who knows. But I've > seen enough to know what usually happens in these situations, even if > it was 15 years ago; and, in saying that, I hope things have evolved > at least a little bit since then. It makes me sick to read messages > like this. I hope for your sake that these small actions do not go > untouched. Right now this kid is probably testing the waters, seeing > just how much he can get away with. If he can steal a pack of gum, so > to speak, he may try to steal a candy bar next, then a bag of chips, > and on and on it goes, you get the picture. > > On 2/1/12, Joshua Lester wrote: > Chris, I know what you're going through. > I had a girl, put a dead frog in my shirt, as we were playing outside, > (I was in elementary school, when that happened.) > Go to your principal, and he/she should do something. > This stuff has got to stop! > If they don't do anything, go in front of the schoolboard! > Blessings, Joshua > > On 2/1/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I had a problem at school today that I'd like to get your > thoughts on as to what I should do next. Today during lunch, > another kid at my table dumped his bag of pretzels into my water > bottle without my knowing; he must have thought it was some kind > of funny prank. Fortunately, I was sitting next to a good friend > of mine, who told me about this. Even after multiple people > commented negatively about what he did, he said nothing. > > Variations on this have happened before with this same kid as the > perpetrater; only once before today this school year and 3 times > last year. The one time something like this happened this year, > he put his dirty napkin in my Yogurt cup (after I had finished > eating the Yogurt) without saying anything. The first time (with > the napkin,) I realized that this had happened as I was getting > my trash together to throw it away. Knowing who did it, since > he'd done this kind of thing before last year, I said, "(Insert > name,) why is your napkin in my Yogurt?" Knowing that he had been > caught, he replied, "Oh... sorry." I then talked to the lunch > lady who is in charge of supervising all of us in the lunchroom. > She said she would talk to him. I wasn't there when she did, but > apparently she had, as the problem (for about a month and a half) > had been resolved... that is, until today. > > I feel that this is a person taking advantage of my blindness and > playing a "prank" on me knowing that I won't catch him. So, what > do you think I should do next? Should I go to our principal? > Should I talk to him directly? Any suggestions would be greatly > appreciated! > Thanks, > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17 > %40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo > se%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Feb 2 00:51:06 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 19:51:06 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school In-Reply-To: <4f29c738.c36ce00a.52c7.444d@mx.google.com> References: <4f29c738.c36ce00a.52c7.444d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Chris, I agree that this kid is a bully and needs to stop. But before the principle, I'd talk to other staff. How about your teacher; oh, if you are in middle school, you have several. How about a teacher you trust well. Then how about a counselor. We do not know the extent of the issues, so this advice should probably come from your parents. But after talking to other staff, then, yes go to the principle. Like others have told you, I was also teased and they tried to play tricks on me in elementary school. Not much, but it happened. Someone through food on my lunch tray and someone tried to take part of my food. I don't think they threw it on the floor or anything like what happened to you, but they did bother me. I grew up in the 1990s too when bullying was not talked about much; but it still happened sometimes. Also, as others have said, teachers don't do much about it. One more reason, IMO for us to teach values, how to be polite and play nicely in school. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:13 PM To: NFB NABS list Subject: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school Hi everyone, I had a problem at school today that I'd like to get your thoughts on as to what I should do next. Today during lunch, another kid at my table dumped his bag of pretzels into my water bottle without my knowing; he must have thought it was some kind of funny prank. Fortunately, I was sitting next to a good friend of mine, who told me about this. Even after multiple people commented negatively about what he did, he said nothing. Variations on this have happened before with this same kid as the perpetrater; only once before today this school year and 3 times last year. The one time something like this happened this year, he put his dirty napkin in my Yogurt cup (after I had finished eating the Yogurt) without saying anything. The first time (with the napkin,) I realized that this had happened as I was getting my trash together to throw it away. Knowing who did it, since he'd done this kind of thing before last year, I said, "(Insert name,) why is your napkin in my Yogurt?" Knowing that he had been caught, he replied, "Oh... sorry." I then talked to the lunch lady who is in charge of supervising all of us in the lunchroom. She said she would talk to him. I wasn't there when she did, but apparently she had, as the problem (for about a month and a half) had been resolved... that is, until today. I feel that this is a person taking advantage of my blindness and playing a "prank" on me knowing that I won't catch him. So, what do you think I should do next? Should I go to our principal? Should I talk to him directly? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From pyyhkala at gmail.com Thu Feb 2 00:57:28 2012 From: pyyhkala at gmail.com (Mika Pyyhkala) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 19:57:28 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Please Start Twweeting About Washington Seminar #NFBWS12 Message-ID: Hi, We have set up the Twitter hashtag #NFBWS12 and there are a lot of exciting promotions we have arranged for your stay in DC. These are being announced via Twitter first, and only slowly making their way out via email. It is important that we start tweeting with this hashtag, so far we have had very limited tweets. I figure the best place to really get the tweets going is with you, our students, who may be more tech savvy. When we talk to companys, organizations, and Congress; we tell them to look up the hashtag, and it helps tremendously if there is a lot of communication and many participants and conversations. There are a ton of things you can tweet about even before you get to Washington. Just a few ideas: *What kind of experiences are you having making hill appointments? *What are some cool apps, brands, products, or services that help you before, during, or after your Washington seminar trip? *Which of the three issues are you most passionate about, and why? *What kind of good or bad travel experiences have you had with the airlines, or other transportation companys? Any accessibility or civil rights stories? *What tips do you have about Washington DC whether it be about a favorite restaurant, using the metro, or best coffee shops? What questions do you have about DC or the hotel? *Any tips or funny stories about managing work or school while your away? *Do you have any funny stories or memories about past Washington seminars? When was your first Washington seminar? *How does your affiliate or chapter handle making appointments, and splitting in to groups. Do you have any tips to share? Things that work or things that don't? *If your unable to go to Washington seminar, is there any particular reason why, or anything someone could do to help you? Those are just a few ideas. If you are on Windows, I'd recommend TwitMonger, and people also like a program called The Cube which is similar. If your on an Apple device, TweetList works quite well. There are also programs for the Macintosh OSX Lion platform. If you have specific questions, I can find the applicable URLs later on. Best, Mika Pyyhkala President, NFB of Massachusetts Board Member, National Federation of the Blind @pyyhkala From kramc11 at gmail.com Thu Feb 2 01:39:40 2012 From: kramc11 at gmail.com (Mark J. Cadigan) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 20:39:40 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school References: <4f29cb46.90d7e70a.600b.2aa1@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Chris, Don't take grief from bullies. This is easy for all of us to say who are now out of middle school, out of high school, in college, or beyond. Yes, talk about it. I'm glad you mentioned it on this list, talk to your parents about it, talk to your teachers about it, and talk to your friends about it. I know from personal experience it is far more valuable to have a friend watching your back than official punishment for the bullies. If you have friends watching your back, and he knows it, he is far more unlikely to do stuff than if he thinks you are isolated. Also, don't give this kid attention. If he thinks he is bothering you he will continue. I personally found that getting mad at the bullies was not affective. I personally found that not providing the bullies with a reaction was the best solution. Good luck with middle school, I know it is a difficult time to be a blind student. Good luck, Mark From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Thu Feb 2 02:36:49 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 20:36:49 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school In-Reply-To: <4f29cb46.90d7e70a.600b.2aa1@mx.google.com> References: <4f29cb46.90d7e70a.600b.2aa1@mx.google.com> Message-ID: All of you make great points! Desiree, your responses were well thought out, which is appreciated! Welcome to this list, BTW! Blessings, Joshua On 2/1/12, Beth wrote: > Hi, Chris. I'd talk to the principal and the kid. And I'd make > it clear that taking advantage of you is no game plan from now > on. I'd also tell him not to mess around with you because you're > blind, and for any reason. We already have a lot of problems in > elementary and middle schools with bullies. Bullies abuse and > harass LGBT kids and handicapped kids who are labeled with the > aggressive R word, which I will not use on this list. We do not > need a bully in your corner, do we? AFter all, bullies can > arrouse some pretty mean stuff in kids, especially good kids. If > this kid for instance dumped a bag of pretzels into a water > bottle, tell him he needs to buy you another water bottle. I > stayed at a facility once where a kid dumped milk in my cereal, > and someone told me he was doing so. I screamed at him (don't > try that because some people won't take kindly to that, but just > be firm if you can.) and told him he better get me another bowl > of cereal and leave me alone. I didn'gt particularly like the > kid in question because he was creepy and thought Hillary Duff > was watching him through his CD player. Talk about mentally > disturbed. Hmmmm. > Good luck. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris Nusbaum To: NFB NABS list Date sent: Wed, 01 Feb 2012 18:13:57 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > Hi everyone, > > I had a problem at school today that I'd like to get your > thoughts on as to what I should do next. Today during lunch, > another kid at my table dumped his bag of pretzels into my water > bottle without my knowing; he must have thought it was some kind > of funny prank. Fortunately, I was sitting next to a good friend > of mine, who told me about this. Even after multiple people > commented negatively about what he did, he said nothing. > > Variations on this have happened before with this same kid as the > perpetrater; only once before today this school year and 3 times > last year. The one time something like this happened this year, > he put his dirty napkin in my Yogurt cup (after I had finished > eating the Yogurt) without saying anything. The first time (with > the napkin,) I realized that this had happened as I was getting > my trash together to throw it away. Knowing who did it, since > he'd done this kind of thing before last year, I said, "(Insert > name,) why is your napkin in my Yogurt?" Knowing that he had been > caught, he replied, "Oh... sorry." I then talked to the lunch > lady who is in charge of supervising all of us in the lunchroom. > She said she would talk to him. I wasn't there when she did, but > apparently she had, as the problem (for about a month and a half) > had been resolved... that is, until today. > > I feel that this is a person taking advantage of my blindness and > playing a "prank" on me knowing that I won't catch him. So, what > do you think I should do next? Should I go to our principal? > Should I talk to him directly? Any suggestions would be greatly > appreciated! > Thanks, > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo > se%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Thu Feb 2 03:37:25 2012 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 19:37:25 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Web Vism for Mozilla Firefox Message-ID: hello all, I had been using www.solona.net while solving captchas on the Internet with Internet Explorer. but suddenly, that web site is no longer there. So I've been looking for another way that I can solve captchas that are visual independently without having to get a reader. I have a question. How does web vism for Mozilla Firefox work? how do I set it up? is this a web based service? if so what is the web site? is it free? how do I register, if it requires registration? does it work only in firefox? is it accurate enough? your answers to these questions are appreciated. sincerely, Humberto From lindsay3.14 at gmail.com Thu Feb 2 05:27:53 2012 From: lindsay3.14 at gmail.com (Lindsay Yazzolino) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 00:27:53 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Female roommate for Washington Seminar Message-ID: Hello Everyone, I know this message is rather last-minute, but I'd like to see if I could possibly find a female roommate for Monday or Tuesday night. I am a student flying in from Boston for both nights, and would be relieved if I could minimize the cost of the hotel! If anyone is interested or has further questions, please feel free to contact me offlist. Thanks! Lindsay From daviddod at buffalo.edu Thu Feb 2 23:58:28 2012 From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 18:58:28 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: From Mike Rembis: UBCDS Masters Degree In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Some of you might be interested in this. David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. State University of New York Student Assembly English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Michael Rembis Date: Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 5:00 PM Subject: From Mike Rembis: UBCDS Masters Degree To: marembis at buffalo.edu Please help me forward this far and wide. Thanks! The University at Buffalo Center for Disability Studies (UBCDS) would like you to help us to spread the word about a unique two-year Interdisciplinary Masters Degree in the Humanities with a formal concentration in Disability Studies at the University at Buffalo. Our interdisciplinary program’s core and elective courses come mostly from disciplines within the Humanities and Social Sciences. We especially encourage those students interested in taking an historical approach to the study of disability to apply to our program. In the second year, the Masters program offers ample opportunities for students to pursue independent study and internships. More detailed information is provided on the attached flyer and on our soon to be completely revamped website: http://disabilitystudies.buffalo.edu/index.html We are now accepting applications for the 2012-2013 academic year! Sincerely yours, David Gerber Director, Center for Disability Studies Professor of History Michael Rembis Associate, Director, Center for Disability Studies Adjunct Professor of History -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: CDS MA Flyer-2012.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 945768 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Feb 3 00:55:14 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2012 19:55:14 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] cleaning up the snow within bus stops Message-ID: <4f2b3075.41c4e00a.2cd1.239c@mx.google.com> I'd say have them go with you, but make sure they're not trying to grab your arm or anything like that; that way, you will have somebody to go sighted guide with if you feel it's really dangerous, and they'll realize that blind people can in fact travel in the snow. Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Humberto Avila" wrote: Hello all, I am running into a problem that has been bothering me to a point where I want to try out my advocacy skills, and I would like to share it with you. Well. here is the story. a couple of weeks ago a major winter storm was upon us here in Central Washington State, and it really affected my city, Yakima. We had a snowfall that left about up to 5 inches of snow throughout the city, and the first two days that happened it went nonstop for more than 24 hours. this left people unable to go to work and school for about two days, and public as well as school routes for buses were reduced or limited those days. this storm left me unable to ride the city bus to and from school, making my Dad take me to and from school for the rest of next week. today that still continued; My dad still drove me to school and back home. While the roads and all highways are clean, many sidewalks including sidewalks where there are bus stops and benches are still soaked into so much snow and ice from two weeks ago. And you know what is worse? the people or machines who clean the snow in the mornings or nights deposit all that snow there, leaving the piles and trails of snow into those very places I mentioned, especially at the bus stops. Now in fact, that snow has turned into ice, and the sidewalks with bus stops are even more slippery and hard to walk or step on. With all this mess, how is a blind person going to walk to take their desired public transportation? How am I supposed to step on all those mountains of slippery ice waiting for the bus? for once, this is driving me crazy and is putting my independence at risk of going down the drain. Like I said, my parent has to drive me to and from, every day, and if this continues to happen, I fear that I will lose practice of traveling on the city bus. what it's making things more bothersome is that, quite frankly, I feel embarrassed by my Dad to pick me up at the college, right in front of the main class building, and take me there because, well, about 99.2% of all the college students can DRIVE and do DRIVE their own cars, and I don't know what they think of me when my Dad has to do that. I am very disappointed with them not being able to also clean up the snow and ice from the bus stops and their sidewalks. I am also angry because they don't even think about people, especially blind or disabled, depending on buses to take them everywhere since they have to use those bus stops. What should I do? Where should I start from in trying to put someone to clear up those paths and sidewalks where there are bus stop so that I can travel safely and independently once again? who should I tell about this? which authority should know this? I wonder how sighted people are getting off and on those buses with all this sleek. I'm sure Ice can try out on those sidewalks and stops, however, it is very cold and I doubt this will happen soon enough for me to ride the bus. do you have any recommendations for me on this situation? Any ideas? suggestions? tips? your help and advice is welcome please. I'm tired of my dad having to drive here and there every morning and spend his gas, and embarrassed that I am one of those very few, or the only one, whose parents take them to college. I'm sure no college student wants that since we are now adults. Sincerely, Humberto _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g mail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.hu mberto2%40g mail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Feb 3 13:03:12 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2012 08:03:12 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] an update to the bullying situation Message-ID: <4f2bdb13.87bfe00a.0465.6545@mx.google.com> Thanks everyone for your suggestions and advice! This truly is a wonderful list! Just an update: I have talked to my principal and shared the whole story with her. She agrees with me that this is unacceptable behavior and promised to me that she would take care of it. I have heard nothing more since, but if there are any other developments, I will keep you all posted. Thank you again for your advice and encouragement! Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gloria G" References: <4f2bdb13.87bfe00a.0465.6545@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <013001cce275$81327380$83975a80$@gmail.com> Hello, Chris. This is great. Just make sure that you follow up, and ake sure that she followed through on her part. I never had quite the same problem you're having in middle school, but there were some idiots in my time who didn't know to keep their hands to themselves. All the best with everything. David -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 7:03 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] an update to the bullying situation Thanks everyone for your suggestions and advice! This truly is a wonderful list! Just an update: I have talked to my principal and shared the whole story with her. She agrees with me that this is unacceptable behavior and promised to me that she would take care of it. I have heard nothing more since, but if there are any other developments, I will keep you all posted. Thank you again for your advice and encouragement! Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gloria G" greetings, I asked a few weeks ago but received no response, but the list was very busy and I'm sure sometimes people overlook posts so I'll ask once more. Has anyone on this list attended or know information about John Jay college of criminal justice in New York City, NY? I'm currently looking into this school, and I do have a meeting with the school on Feb. 15. I'm interested to hear of experiences both good and bad. how is the accessableity etc. keri "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will speak my heart." --Robert Sexton "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it." --Ivan Panin Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Fri Feb 3 14:35:49 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 08:35:49 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] John Jay college of criminal justice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Kerri. Please contact me offlist. I'll get you in touch with someone, with the Blind Lawyers group, that may be able to assist you. Thanks, Joshua On 2/3/12, keri wrote: > greetings, > > I asked a few weeks ago but received no response, but the list was very busy > and I'm sure sometimes people overlook posts so I'll ask once more. Has > anyone on this list attended or know information about John Jay college of > criminal justice in New York City, NY? I'm currently looking into this > school, and I do have a meeting with the school on Feb. 15. > > I'm interested to hear of experiences both good and bad. how is the > accessableity etc. > keri > > "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want to > say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will speak > my heart." > --Robert Sexton > > "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there > is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to > receive it." > --Ivan Panin > > Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put it > back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Fri Feb 3 14:49:42 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 08:49:42 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] an update to the bullying situation In-Reply-To: <013001cce275$81327380$83975a80$@gmail.com> References: <4f2bdb13.87bfe00a.0465.6545@mx.google.com> <013001cce275$81327380$83975a80$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I was going to say the same thing, David did. If the principal doesn't follow through, it's school board time! Blessings, Joshua On 2/3/12, David Bouchard wrote: > Hello, Chris. This is great. Just make sure that you follow up, and ake sure > that she followed through on her part. I never had quite the same problem > you're having in middle school, but there were some idiots in my time who > didn't know to keep their hands to themselves. All the best with everything. > David > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 7:03 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] an update to the bullying situation > > Thanks everyone for your suggestions and advice! This truly is a > wonderful list! Just an update: I have talked to my principal and > shared the whole story with her. She agrees with me that this is > unacceptable behavior and promised to me that she would take care > of it. I have heard nothing more since, but if there are any > other developments, I will keep you all posted. Thank you again > for your advice and encouragement! > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gloria G" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 17:56:03 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > Hi, > I would go to your principle because you said something to him > about the > napkin and he didn't stop. I think it is just a sick person > getting a laugh > on the pain of someone else. You shouldn't allow things like > that to > continue because next time it could be something that could > endanger your > safety. Just a thought! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Nusbaum" To: "NFB NABS list" Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 5:13 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > > Hi everyone, > > I had a problem at school today that I'd like to get your > thoughts on as > to what I should do next. Today during lunch, another kid at my > table > dumped his bag of pretzels into my water bottle without my > knowing; he > must have thought it was some kind of funny prank. Fortunately, > I was > sitting next to a good friend of mine, who told me about this. > Even after > multiple people commented negatively about what he did, he said > nothing. > > Variations on this have happened before with this same kid as > the > perpetrater; only once before today this school year and 3 times > last > year. The one time something like this happened this year, he > put his > dirty napkin in my Yogurt cup (after I had finished eating the > Yogurt) > without saying anything. The first time (with the napkin,) I > realized > that this had happened as I was getting my trash together to > throw it > away. Knowing who did it, since he'd done this kind of thing > before last > year, I said, "(Insert name,) why is your napkin in my Yogurt?" > Knowing > that he had been caught, he replied, "Oh... sorry." I then > talked to the > lunch lady who is in charge of supervising all of us in the > lunchroom. > She said she would talk to him. I wasn't there when she did, > but > apparently she had, as the problem (for about a month and a > half) had been > resolved... that is, until today. > > I feel that this is a person taking advantage of my blindness > and playing > a "prank" on me knowing that I won't catch him. So, what do you > think I > should do next? Should I go to our principal? Should I talk to > him > directly? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! > Thanks, > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a > blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness > can be > reduced to a mere physical nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves > %40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/davidb521%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From hhamraz at gmail.com Fri Feb 3 18:47:33 2012 From: hhamraz at gmail.com (Hamid Hamraz) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 22:17:33 +0330 Subject: [nabs-l] Web Vism for Mozilla Firefox In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.webvisum.com/ Yes, it only works with Firefox. control + Alt + 6 is the keystroke with which you would submit the capcha. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Humberto Avila" To: Cc: ; Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 7:07 AM Subject: [nabs-l] Web Vism for Mozilla Firefox > hello all, > > I had been using www.solona.net while solving captchas on the Internet > with > Internet Explorer. but suddenly, that web site is no longer there. So I've > been looking for another way that I can solve captchas that are visual > independently without having to get a reader. > I have a question. How does web vism for Mozilla Firefox work? how do I > set > it up? is this a web based service? if so what is the web site? is it > free? > how do I register, if it requires registration? does it work only in > firefox? is it accurate enough? > > your answers to these questions are appreciated. > > sincerely, > Humberto > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hhamraz%40gmail.com From nbrav003 at fiu.edu Fri Feb 3 19:56:47 2012 From: nbrav003 at fiu.edu (Nallym Bravo) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 14:56:47 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [blindlaw] FW: New Internship Opportunity for Law Students with Disabilities References: Message-ID: <1F27E093-48AF-487C-8557-8B0A008B88D3@fiu.edu> Begin forwarded message: > From: "Nightingale, Noel" > Date: February 2, 2012 5:17:05 PM EST > To: "blindlaw at nfbnet.org" > Subject: [blindlaw] FW: New Internship Opportunity for Law Students with Disabilities > Reply-To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List > > > > From: Disability Discussion Docket (3D) of the Commission on Disability Rights [mailto:3D at MAIL.AMERICANBAR.ORG] On Behalf Of Phelan, William > Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 1:13 PM > To: 3D at MAIL.AMERICANBAR.ORG > Subject: [ABA-3D] New Internship Opportunity for Law Students with Disabilities > > The Commission is proud to announce its partnership with Prudential Financial, Inc. to offer a 1L with a disability an internship at Prudential's headquarters this summer! > > You can find our more information and apply at: > > http://www.americanbar.org/groups/disabilityrights/resources/employment.html > > > The deadline for applications is March 25, 2012. > > Please pass this message along. > > > William J. Phelan, IV, Esq. > Special Projects and Technology Coordinator > Commission on Disability Rights > American Bar Association > 740 15th Street, NW, 9th Fl. > Washington, DC 20005-1022 > > T: 202-662-1576 > F: 202-442-3439 > > william.phelan at americanbar.org > http://www.americanbar.org/disabilityrights > > Notice: The contents of this e-mail may be confidential and/or privileged. If you have recieved this e-mail in error, or are not its intended recipients, please: do not print, copy, or distribute the above message or its attachments; delete this e-mail from your computer and server; and inform William of this error. Thank you. > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/nbrav003%40fiu.edu From alexandera.castillo at gmail.com Fri Feb 3 20:07:15 2012 From: alexandera.castillo at gmail.com (Alexander Castillo) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 15:07:15 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] John Jay in NYC Message-ID: Hi Keri, I must have missed your post a couple of weeks ago. John Jay belongs to the City University of New York, and although at times you might have to advocate a bit on your behalf to make sure you have the resources you need, most of the CUNY schools should be up to date in terms of accessibility. I’m familiar with the CUNY system as a former president of the NY student division, am a former student from Hunter, and know people who attend practically all of the other CUNY schools. You should not have too much trouble. It has been my experience that the better advocacy you put into practice on your own behalf, the smoother things seem to go, no matter what the university or college you are attending. The CUNY system has a student group called CCSD (CUNY coalition for students with disabilities) which meets monthly and represents students from many disabilities from the entire CUNY campus. This is a good place for you to check out if you do decide to attend John Jay. If you are from New York, or are planning to move there, you should contact the New York Association of Blind Students at NYABS at nfbnet.org. Our division president Kate Carroll is a law student at St. John’s, and perhaps you guys can get in touch when you come and visit the city. Many of our students attend CUNY schools as well. Unfortunately I am leaving the city on the same day of your visit, but if you will be around in DC, or in NYC before the 15th, I’ll be glad to chat and introduce you to some of your new fellow students. You can email me off list at AlexanderA.Castillo at gmail.com Good luck with everything, Alex From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Feb 3 23:06:30 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2012 18:06:30 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school Message-ID: <4f2c687b.88cbe00a.5e2a.ffffdfcf@mx.google.com> Hi Hope, Thanks for the suggestions! As I said in the email with the subject "an update to the bullying situation," I did talk to my principal about it. I didn't think about bringing him up in my IEP meeting; good idea! I'll talk to my TVI first, and I might bring him up in my next meeting. Thanks! Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" wrote: Chris, I know what you're going through. I had a girl, put a dead frog in my shirt, as we were playing outside, (I was in elementary school, when that happened.) Go to your principal, and he/she should do something. This stuff has got to stop! If they don't do anything, go in front of the schoolboard! Blessings, Joshua On 2/1/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: Hi everyone, I had a problem at school today that I'd like to get your thoughts on as to what I should do next. Today during lunch, another kid at my table dumped his bag of pretzels into my water bottle without my knowing; he must have thought it was some kind of funny prank. Fortunately, I was sitting next to a good friend of mine, who told me about this. Even after multiple people commented negatively about what he did, he said nothing. Variations on this have happened before with this same kid as the perpetrater; only once before today this school year and 3 times last year. The one time something like this happened this year, he put his dirty napkin in my Yogurt cup (after I had finished eating the Yogurt) without saying anything. The first time (with the napkin,) I realized that this had happened as I was getting my trash together to throw it away. Knowing who did it, since he'd done this kind of thing before last year, I said, "(Insert name,) why is your napkin in my Yogurt?" Knowing that he had been caught, he replied, "Oh... sorry." I then talked to the lunch lady who is in charge of supervising all of us in the lunchroom. She said she would talk to him. I wasn't there when she did, but apparently she had, as the problem (for about a month and a half) had been resolved... that is, until today. I feel that this is a person taking advantage of my blindness and playing a "prank" on me knowing that I won't catch him. So, what do you think I should do next? Should I go to our principal? Should I talk to him directly? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17 %40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo se%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%4 0gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Feb 3 23:06:32 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2012 18:06:32 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school Message-ID: <4f2c687c.88cbe00a.5e2a.ffffdfd3@mx.google.com> Well the emersion of political correctness changed that! * Smile! Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" Message-ID: <5E44B6C0BB3A4EA8B16EBBFD5AB9420C@stanford.edu> This is not the kind of thing that you put in an IEP. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > Hi Chris. I'm assuming you're in high school.. I'd go to both your > principal and your guidance counselor. I wouldn't talk to him directly-- I > think he'd get more dicipline if you had the principal talk to him. I'd > also bring it up during your IEP/PET. > HTH > Hope and Beignet > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Beth" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:54 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > >>I knew this kid, speaking of criminals who were playground and school >>bullies, who was always harassing me, got mein trouble at lunch one day in >>elementary school, and later went on to rape somebody and go to jail for >>it. >> Beth >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Desiree Oudinot > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 18:41:07 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> When I was in elementary school, I had kids stealing books from me, >> throwing erasers in my hair, pulling chairs out from under me, you >> name it, they did it. The worst part was that most times, my teachers >> were right there, and refused to do anything about it, because they >> too were uncomfortable with my blindness, so why should they >> intervene? I say this because it wasn't so long ago that this happened >> to me. I grew up in the 90's, before bullying was the huge deal it is >> now, but still close enough to the events of Columbine that it wasn't >> completely unheard of either. And it was as "unacceptable" then as it >> is now. Yes, I put unacceptable in quotes, because guess what, it >> happens every day and so little of it is actually dealt with. >> Meanwhile, things that are no real problem at all are resulting in >> criminal records, such as a case I heard about recently where a boy >> gave his friend a hug in school and was charged with sexual >> harassment. I forget their exact ages, but they were young, elementary >> school age. And yet, kids are driven to suicide, depression, drugs, >> and every other dysfunction in the book, because they're bullied >> mercilessly every day and no one will do anything about it. >> Why do I say all this? I say it because I hope your school isn't like >> mine was. I hope that someone in authority actually cares. I hope that >> it doesn't escalate, because most kids have a cruel streak. I think >> it's true what they say about the impulsiveness of adolescents--it's >> human nature to be cruel, and at that age, most of us haven't learned >> how to control those impulses or aggressions, making them the most >> prone not only to selfishness and thoughtlessness, but to almost >> animal rage, not to mention an inability to see beyond their own >> actions to how they might be affecting others. My point is, people >> like this have to be stopped. Perhaps if something can get through to >> them while they're still young and impressionable, they might not grow >> up to be tomorrow's criminals. Or maybe they will, who knows. But I've >> seen enough to know what usually happens in these situations, even if >> it was 15 years ago; and, in saying that, I hope things have evolved >> at least a little bit since then. It makes me sick to read messages >> like this. I hope for your sake that these small actions do not go >> untouched. Right now this kid is probably testing the waters, seeing >> just how much he can get away with. If he can steal a pack of gum, so >> to speak, he may try to steal a candy bar next, then a bag of chips, >> and on and on it goes, you get the picture. >> >> On 2/1/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >> Chris, I know what you're going through. >> I had a girl, put a dead frog in my shirt, as we were playing outside, >> (I was in elementary school, when that happened.) >> Go to your principal, and he/she should do something. >> This stuff has got to stop! >> If they don't do anything, go in front of the schoolboard! >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 2/1/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> I had a problem at school today that I'd like to get your >> thoughts on as to what I should do next. Today during lunch, >> another kid at my table dumped his bag of pretzels into my water >> bottle without my knowing; he must have thought it was some kind >> of funny prank. Fortunately, I was sitting next to a good friend >> of mine, who told me about this. Even after multiple people >> commented negatively about what he did, he said nothing. >> >> Variations on this have happened before with this same kid as the >> perpetrater; only once before today this school year and 3 times >> last year. The one time something like this happened this year, >> he put his dirty napkin in my Yogurt cup (after I had finished >> eating the Yogurt) without saying anything. The first time (with >> the napkin,) I realized that this had happened as I was getting >> my trash together to throw it away. Knowing who did it, since >> he'd done this kind of thing before last year, I said, "(Insert >> name,) why is your napkin in my Yogurt?" Knowing that he had been >> caught, he replied, "Oh... sorry." I then talked to the lunch >> lady who is in charge of supervising all of us in the lunchroom. >> She said she would talk to him. I wasn't there when she did, but >> apparently she had, as the problem (for about a month and a half) >> had been resolved... that is, until today. >> >> I feel that this is a person taking advantage of my blindness and >> playing a "prank" on me knowing that I won't catch him. So, what >> do you think I should do next? Should I go to our principal? >> Should I talk to him directly? Any suggestions would be greatly >> appreciated! >> Thanks, >> >> Chris >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >> nuisance." >> -- Kenneth Jernigan >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >> 0students.pccua.edu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17 >> %40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo >> se%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com From joshkart12 at gmail.com Fri Feb 3 23:32:48 2012 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (josh gregory) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 18:32:48 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Web Vism for Mozilla Firefox In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yeah it works, I say pretty well. If you want an invite let me know offlist. Thanks, Josh On 2/3/12, Hamid Hamraz wrote: > http://www.webvisum.com/ > > Yes, it only works with Firefox. control + Alt + 6 is the keystroke with > which you would submit the capcha. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Humberto Avila" > To: > Cc: ; > Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 7:07 AM > Subject: [nabs-l] Web Vism for Mozilla Firefox > > >> hello all, >> >> I had been using www.solona.net while solving captchas on the Internet >> with >> Internet Explorer. but suddenly, that web site is no longer there. So I've >> been looking for another way that I can solve captchas that are visual >> independently without having to get a reader. >> I have a question. How does web vism for Mozilla Firefox work? how do I >> set >> it up? is this a web based service? if so what is the web site? is it >> free? >> how do I register, if it requires registration? does it work only in >> firefox? is it accurate enough? >> >> your answers to these questions are appreciated. >> >> sincerely, >> Humberto >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hhamraz%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com > -- Sent via gmail.com Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com Skype: joshgregory93 twitter: JoshG93 From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Feb 4 00:05:22 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2012 19:05:22 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] fw: join Learning Ally for Record-a-Thon Message-ID: <4f2c7647.88bfe00a.297e.ffffe07d@mx.google.com> ---- Original Message ------ From: Learning Ally References: <4f29d0f3.123de70a.5c62.3255@mx.google.com> <5E44B6C0BB3A4EA8B16EBBFD5AB9420C@stanford.edu> Message-ID: <002301cce2f6$fc5f06a0$f51d13e0$@net> That's pretty bad putting your bad of pretzels in your water. Hopefully it was just one of those small individual sixed bags and not the really bit ones. I'd be sad if someone did that especially if it was a big bag of them. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nicole B. Torcolini at Home Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 5:10 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school This is not the kind of thing that you put in an IEP. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > Hi Chris. I'm assuming you're in high school.. I'd go to both your > principal and your guidance counselor. I wouldn't talk to him directly-- I > think he'd get more dicipline if you had the principal talk to him. I'd > also bring it up during your IEP/PET. > HTH > Hope and Beignet > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Beth" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:54 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > >>I knew this kid, speaking of criminals who were playground and school >>bullies, who was always harassing me, got mein trouble at lunch one day in >>elementary school, and later went on to rape somebody and go to jail for >>it. >> Beth >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Desiree Oudinot > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 18:41:07 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> When I was in elementary school, I had kids stealing books from me, >> throwing erasers in my hair, pulling chairs out from under me, you >> name it, they did it. The worst part was that most times, my teachers >> were right there, and refused to do anything about it, because they >> too were uncomfortable with my blindness, so why should they >> intervene? I say this because it wasn't so long ago that this happened >> to me. I grew up in the 90's, before bullying was the huge deal it is >> now, but still close enough to the events of Columbine that it wasn't >> completely unheard of either. And it was as "unacceptable" then as it >> is now. Yes, I put unacceptable in quotes, because guess what, it >> happens every day and so little of it is actually dealt with. >> Meanwhile, things that are no real problem at all are resulting in >> criminal records, such as a case I heard about recently where a boy >> gave his friend a hug in school and was charged with sexual >> harassment. I forget their exact ages, but they were young, elementary >> school age. And yet, kids are driven to suicide, depression, drugs, >> and every other dysfunction in the book, because they're bullied >> mercilessly every day and no one will do anything about it. >> Why do I say all this? I say it because I hope your school isn't like >> mine was. I hope that someone in authority actually cares. I hope that >> it doesn't escalate, because most kids have a cruel streak. I think >> it's true what they say about the impulsiveness of adolescents--it's >> human nature to be cruel, and at that age, most of us haven't learned >> how to control those impulses or aggressions, making them the most >> prone not only to selfishness and thoughtlessness, but to almost >> animal rage, not to mention an inability to see beyond their own >> actions to how they might be affecting others. My point is, people >> like this have to be stopped. Perhaps if something can get through to >> them while they're still young and impressionable, they might not grow >> up to be tomorrow's criminals. Or maybe they will, who knows. But I've >> seen enough to know what usually happens in these situations, even if >> it was 15 years ago; and, in saying that, I hope things have evolved >> at least a little bit since then. It makes me sick to read messages >> like this. I hope for your sake that these small actions do not go >> untouched. Right now this kid is probably testing the waters, seeing >> just how much he can get away with. If he can steal a pack of gum, so >> to speak, he may try to steal a candy bar next, then a bag of chips, >> and on and on it goes, you get the picture. >> >> On 2/1/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >> Chris, I know what you're going through. >> I had a girl, put a dead frog in my shirt, as we were playing outside, >> (I was in elementary school, when that happened.) >> Go to your principal, and he/she should do something. >> This stuff has got to stop! >> If they don't do anything, go in front of the schoolboard! >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 2/1/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> I had a problem at school today that I'd like to get your >> thoughts on as to what I should do next. Today during lunch, >> another kid at my table dumped his bag of pretzels into my water >> bottle without my knowing; he must have thought it was some kind >> of funny prank. Fortunately, I was sitting next to a good friend >> of mine, who told me about this. Even after multiple people >> commented negatively about what he did, he said nothing. >> >> Variations on this have happened before with this same kid as the >> perpetrater; only once before today this school year and 3 times >> last year. The one time something like this happened this year, >> he put his dirty napkin in my Yogurt cup (after I had finished >> eating the Yogurt) without saying anything. The first time (with >> the napkin,) I realized that this had happened as I was getting >> my trash together to throw it away. Knowing who did it, since >> he'd done this kind of thing before last year, I said, "(Insert >> name,) why is your napkin in my Yogurt?" Knowing that he had been >> caught, he replied, "Oh... sorry." I then talked to the lunch >> lady who is in charge of supervising all of us in the lunchroom. >> She said she would talk to him. I wasn't there when she did, but >> apparently she had, as the problem (for about a month and a half) >> had been resolved... that is, until today. >> >> I feel that this is a person taking advantage of my blindness and >> playing a "prank" on me knowing that I won't catch him. So, what >> do you think I should do next? Should I go to our principal? >> Should I talk to him directly? Any suggestions would be greatly >> appreciated! >> Thanks, >> >> Chris >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >> nuisance." >> -- Kenneth Jernigan >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >> 0students.pccua.edu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17 >> %40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo >> se%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.c om _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dwebster125%40comcast.ne t From trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com Sat Feb 4 15:58:59 2012 From: trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com (Winona) Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2012 10:58:59 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] iTunes Message-ID: <4f2d55de.025cec0a.30ea.0684@mx.google.com> Hi everyone, How do you make a playlist on iTunes and burn that playlist on a blank CD? I am using JAWS 10. Thanks, Winona trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com "Success is peace of mind which is the direct result of self-satisfaction in knowing you did your best to become the best you are capable of becoming." - John Wooden From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Sat Feb 4 16:05:29 2012 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2012 09:05:29 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] iTunes Message-ID: <4f2d574d.a119440a.1b32.17da@mx.google.com> Hmmmm, I don't quite know how to make a playlist on I Tunes and I'm not sure how to put that on a blank CD. It's been eons since blank CD's had playlists and mixes. Anyway, I had JAWs 10 on my old PC, and if it still worked, I would've experimented and shown you how to do it myself. Good luck. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: Winona Hi to all! Hope you are all doing well. I recently just bought the Verizon Wireless Iphone 4. I was wondering how many of you have a similar phone or this phone. If you do could you please suggest ways to use it. Thanks in advance, Justin From gloria.graves at gmail.com Sat Feb 4 21:09:28 2012 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 15:09:28 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about IPhone through Verizon References: Message-ID: <3DF23A39E4444AF9A853D540B1A66CA1@Gloria> Hi, Can anyone give me a list of accessible phones from verizon? I have heard about the octain and the HTC ozone and the I-phone. Are there others besides these? I really didn't want a smart phone but was wondering what my options were. It is difficult trying to explain things like accessibility to the customer services people. Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Young" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:56 PM Subject: [nabs-l] Question about IPhone through Verizon > Hi to all! > > Hope you are all doing well. I recently just bought the Verizon > Wireless Iphone 4. I was wondering how many of you have a similar > phone or this phone. If you do could you please suggest ways to use > it. > > Thanks in advance, > > Justin > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From joshkart12 at gmail.com Sat Feb 4 21:10:20 2012 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (josh gregory) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 16:10:20 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about IPhone through Verizon In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Justin. I have the 4s. By "use it", what exactly do you mean? On 2/4/12, Justin Young wrote: > Hi to all! > > Hope you are all doing well. I recently just bought the Verizon > Wireless Iphone 4. I was wondering how many of you have a similar > phone or this phone. If you do could you please suggest ways to use > it. > > Thanks in advance, > > Justin > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com > -- Sent via gmail.com Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com Skype: joshgregory93 twitter: JoshG93 From jty727 at gmail.com Sat Feb 4 21:21:52 2012 From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 16:21:52 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about IPhone through Verizon In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have just the IPhone 4, not the S. What I mean by "use" is specifically to start the fact that there's a touch screen. I've not experienced that before. The whole phone will take me a while to get use to. I just was wondering if there were any tips or tricks you all could recommend On 2/4/12, josh gregory wrote: > Hey Justin. I have the 4s. By "use it", what exactly do you mean? > > On 2/4/12, Justin Young wrote: >> Hi to all! >> >> Hope you are all doing well. I recently just bought the Verizon >> Wireless Iphone 4. I was wondering how many of you have a similar >> phone or this phone. If you do could you please suggest ways to use >> it. >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> Justin >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Sent via gmail.com > Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com > Skype: joshgregory93 > twitter: JoshG93 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > From arielle71 at gmail.com Sat Feb 4 21:31:44 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 14:31:44 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school In-Reply-To: <002301cce2f6$fc5f06a0$f51d13e0$@net> References: <4f29d0f3.123de70a.5c62.3255@mx.google.com> <5E44B6C0BB3A4EA8B16EBBFD5AB9420C@stanford.edu> <002301cce2f6$fc5f06a0$f51d13e0$@net> Message-ID: I agree about having friends watch your back. The most effective way to keep from being picked on by this particular guy again is simply to avoid him-try not to sit at his lunch table or come in contact with him in other ways. Your friends should be able to help you accomplish this. Also, if you try not to give him opportunities to tease you, and just give him as little reaction as possible when he does pull something, he should soon get bored and stop pranking you. These kinds of people thrive on attention. Confronting him about what he did will likely just egg him on. Arielle On 2/3/12, Dave Webster wrote: > That's pretty bad putting your bad of pretzels in your water. Hopefully it > was just one of those small individual sixed bags and not the really bit > ones. I'd be sad if someone did that especially if it was a big bag of > them. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Nicole B. Torcolini at Home > Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 5:10 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > This is not the kind of thing that you put in an IEP. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hope Paulos" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 4:48 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > >> Hi Chris. I'm assuming you're in high school.. I'd go to both your >> principal and your guidance counselor. I wouldn't talk to him directly-- I > >> think he'd get more dicipline if you had the principal talk to him. I'd >> also bring it up during your IEP/PET. >> HTH >> Hope and Beignet >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Beth" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:54 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> >>>I knew this kid, speaking of criminals who were playground and school >>>bullies, who was always harassing me, got mein trouble at lunch one day in > >>>elementary school, and later went on to rape somebody and go to jail for >>>it. >>> Beth >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Desiree Oudinot >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 18:41:07 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>> >>> When I was in elementary school, I had kids stealing books from me, >>> throwing erasers in my hair, pulling chairs out from under me, you >>> name it, they did it. The worst part was that most times, my teachers >>> were right there, and refused to do anything about it, because they >>> too were uncomfortable with my blindness, so why should they >>> intervene? I say this because it wasn't so long ago that this happened >>> to me. I grew up in the 90's, before bullying was the huge deal it is >>> now, but still close enough to the events of Columbine that it wasn't >>> completely unheard of either. And it was as "unacceptable" then as it >>> is now. Yes, I put unacceptable in quotes, because guess what, it >>> happens every day and so little of it is actually dealt with. >>> Meanwhile, things that are no real problem at all are resulting in >>> criminal records, such as a case I heard about recently where a boy >>> gave his friend a hug in school and was charged with sexual >>> harassment. I forget their exact ages, but they were young, elementary >>> school age. And yet, kids are driven to suicide, depression, drugs, >>> and every other dysfunction in the book, because they're bullied >>> mercilessly every day and no one will do anything about it. >>> Why do I say all this? I say it because I hope your school isn't like >>> mine was. I hope that someone in authority actually cares. I hope that >>> it doesn't escalate, because most kids have a cruel streak. I think >>> it's true what they say about the impulsiveness of adolescents--it's >>> human nature to be cruel, and at that age, most of us haven't learned >>> how to control those impulses or aggressions, making them the most >>> prone not only to selfishness and thoughtlessness, but to almost >>> animal rage, not to mention an inability to see beyond their own >>> actions to how they might be affecting others. My point is, people >>> like this have to be stopped. Perhaps if something can get through to >>> them while they're still young and impressionable, they might not grow >>> up to be tomorrow's criminals. Or maybe they will, who knows. But I've >>> seen enough to know what usually happens in these situations, even if >>> it was 15 years ago; and, in saying that, I hope things have evolved >>> at least a little bit since then. It makes me sick to read messages >>> like this. I hope for your sake that these small actions do not go >>> untouched. Right now this kid is probably testing the waters, seeing >>> just how much he can get away with. If he can steal a pack of gum, so >>> to speak, he may try to steal a candy bar next, then a bag of chips, >>> and on and on it goes, you get the picture. >>> >>> On 2/1/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> Chris, I know what you're going through. >>> I had a girl, put a dead frog in my shirt, as we were playing outside, >>> (I was in elementary school, when that happened.) >>> Go to your principal, and he/she should do something. >>> This stuff has got to stop! >>> If they don't do anything, go in front of the schoolboard! >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 2/1/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> I had a problem at school today that I'd like to get your >>> thoughts on as to what I should do next. Today during lunch, >>> another kid at my table dumped his bag of pretzels into my water >>> bottle without my knowing; he must have thought it was some kind >>> of funny prank. Fortunately, I was sitting next to a good friend >>> of mine, who told me about this. Even after multiple people >>> commented negatively about what he did, he said nothing. >>> >>> Variations on this have happened before with this same kid as the >>> perpetrater; only once before today this school year and 3 times >>> last year. The one time something like this happened this year, >>> he put his dirty napkin in my Yogurt cup (after I had finished >>> eating the Yogurt) without saying anything. The first time (with >>> the napkin,) I realized that this had happened as I was getting >>> my trash together to throw it away. Knowing who did it, since >>> he'd done this kind of thing before last year, I said, "(Insert >>> name,) why is your napkin in my Yogurt?" Knowing that he had been >>> caught, he replied, "Oh... sorry." I then talked to the lunch >>> lady who is in charge of supervising all of us in the lunchroom. >>> She said she would talk to him. I wasn't there when she did, but >>> apparently she had, as the problem (for about a month and a half) >>> had been resolved... that is, until today. >>> >>> I feel that this is a person taking advantage of my blindness and >>> playing a "prank" on me knowing that I won't catch him. So, what >>> do you think I should do next? Should I go to our principal? >>> Should I talk to him directly? Any suggestions would be greatly >>> appreciated! >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>> nuisance." >>> -- Kenneth Jernigan >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >>> 0students.pccua.edu >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17 >>> %40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo >>> se%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dwebster125%40comcast.ne > t > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From arielle71 at gmail.com Sat Feb 4 21:34:19 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 14:34:19 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school In-Reply-To: References: <4f29d0f3.123de70a.5c62.3255@mx.google.com> <5E44B6C0BB3A4EA8B16EBBFD5AB9420C@stanford.edu> <002301cce2f6$fc5f06a0$f51d13e0$@net> Message-ID: One more thing-I don't think these kinds of things are just about blindness. While your bully might be playing tricks on you that take advantage of your blindness, he might easily be playing different kinds of jokes on other kids. He should definitely get in trouble, but what he's doing to you isn't necessarily worse than what he might do to other kids. That is, unless he's tripping you or otherwise threatening your physical safety. If it goes from pranking you to harming you, you will need to get more adults involved. Arielle On 2/4/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: > I agree about having friends watch your back. The most effective way > to keep from being picked on by this particular guy again is simply to > avoid him-try not to sit at his lunch table or come in contact with > him in other ways. Your friends should be able to help you accomplish > this. > Also, if you try not to give him opportunities to tease you, and just > give him as little reaction as possible when he does pull something, > he should soon get bored and stop pranking you. These kinds of people > thrive on attention. Confronting him about what he did will likely > just egg him on. > Arielle > > On 2/3/12, Dave Webster wrote: >> That's pretty bad putting your bad of pretzels in your water. Hopefully >> it >> was just one of those small individual sixed bags and not the really bit >> ones. I'd be sad if someone did that especially if it was a big bag of >> them. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Nicole B. Torcolini at Home >> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 5:10 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> This is not the kind of thing that you put in an IEP. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Hope Paulos" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 4:48 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> >>> Hi Chris. I'm assuming you're in high school.. I'd go to both your >>> principal and your guidance counselor. I wouldn't talk to him directly-- >>> I >> >>> think he'd get more dicipline if you had the principal talk to him. I'd >>> also bring it up during your IEP/PET. >>> HTH >>> Hope and Beignet >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Beth" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:54 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>> >>> >>>>I knew this kid, speaking of criminals who were playground and school >>>>bullies, who was always harassing me, got mein trouble at lunch one day >>>> in >> >>>>elementary school, and later went on to rape somebody and go to jail for >>>>it. >>>> Beth >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Desiree Oudinot >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>> Date sent: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 18:41:07 -0500 >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>>> >>>> When I was in elementary school, I had kids stealing books from me, >>>> throwing erasers in my hair, pulling chairs out from under me, you >>>> name it, they did it. The worst part was that most times, my teachers >>>> were right there, and refused to do anything about it, because they >>>> too were uncomfortable with my blindness, so why should they >>>> intervene? I say this because it wasn't so long ago that this happened >>>> to me. I grew up in the 90's, before bullying was the huge deal it is >>>> now, but still close enough to the events of Columbine that it wasn't >>>> completely unheard of either. And it was as "unacceptable" then as it >>>> is now. Yes, I put unacceptable in quotes, because guess what, it >>>> happens every day and so little of it is actually dealt with. >>>> Meanwhile, things that are no real problem at all are resulting in >>>> criminal records, such as a case I heard about recently where a boy >>>> gave his friend a hug in school and was charged with sexual >>>> harassment. I forget their exact ages, but they were young, elementary >>>> school age. And yet, kids are driven to suicide, depression, drugs, >>>> and every other dysfunction in the book, because they're bullied >>>> mercilessly every day and no one will do anything about it. >>>> Why do I say all this? I say it because I hope your school isn't like >>>> mine was. I hope that someone in authority actually cares. I hope that >>>> it doesn't escalate, because most kids have a cruel streak. I think >>>> it's true what they say about the impulsiveness of adolescents--it's >>>> human nature to be cruel, and at that age, most of us haven't learned >>>> how to control those impulses or aggressions, making them the most >>>> prone not only to selfishness and thoughtlessness, but to almost >>>> animal rage, not to mention an inability to see beyond their own >>>> actions to how they might be affecting others. My point is, people >>>> like this have to be stopped. Perhaps if something can get through to >>>> them while they're still young and impressionable, they might not grow >>>> up to be tomorrow's criminals. Or maybe they will, who knows. But I've >>>> seen enough to know what usually happens in these situations, even if >>>> it was 15 years ago; and, in saying that, I hope things have evolved >>>> at least a little bit since then. It makes me sick to read messages >>>> like this. I hope for your sake that these small actions do not go >>>> untouched. Right now this kid is probably testing the waters, seeing >>>> just how much he can get away with. If he can steal a pack of gum, so >>>> to speak, he may try to steal a candy bar next, then a bag of chips, >>>> and on and on it goes, you get the picture. >>>> >>>> On 2/1/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>> Chris, I know what you're going through. >>>> I had a girl, put a dead frog in my shirt, as we were playing outside, >>>> (I was in elementary school, when that happened.) >>>> Go to your principal, and he/she should do something. >>>> This stuff has got to stop! >>>> If they don't do anything, go in front of the schoolboard! >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>> >>>> On 2/1/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>>> Hi everyone, >>>> >>>> I had a problem at school today that I'd like to get your >>>> thoughts on as to what I should do next. Today during lunch, >>>> another kid at my table dumped his bag of pretzels into my water >>>> bottle without my knowing; he must have thought it was some kind >>>> of funny prank. Fortunately, I was sitting next to a good friend >>>> of mine, who told me about this. Even after multiple people >>>> commented negatively about what he did, he said nothing. >>>> >>>> Variations on this have happened before with this same kid as the >>>> perpetrater; only once before today this school year and 3 times >>>> last year. The one time something like this happened this year, >>>> he put his dirty napkin in my Yogurt cup (after I had finished >>>> eating the Yogurt) without saying anything. The first time (with >>>> the napkin,) I realized that this had happened as I was getting >>>> my trash together to throw it away. Knowing who did it, since >>>> he'd done this kind of thing before last year, I said, "(Insert >>>> name,) why is your napkin in my Yogurt?" Knowing that he had been >>>> caught, he replied, "Oh... sorry." I then talked to the lunch >>>> lady who is in charge of supervising all of us in the lunchroom. >>>> She said she would talk to him. I wasn't there when she did, but >>>> apparently she had, as the problem (for about a month and a half) >>>> had been resolved... that is, until today. >>>> >>>> I feel that this is a person taking advantage of my blindness and >>>> playing a "prank" on me knowing that I won't catch him. So, what >>>> do you think I should do next? Should I go to our principal? >>>> Should I talk to him directly? Any suggestions would be greatly >>>> appreciated! >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>>> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>>> nuisance." >>>> -- Kenneth Jernigan >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >>>> 0students.pccua.edu >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17 >>>> %40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo >>>> se%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.c >> om >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dwebster125%40comcast.ne >> t >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > From joshkart12 at gmail.com Sat Feb 4 21:37:34 2012 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (josh gregory) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 16:37:34 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about IPhone through Verizon In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Justin: Scrolling (dragging your hand) and double tapping are the main components to the screen. Yeah it will take a while to do but you will do it. :) On 2/4/12, Justin Young wrote: > I have just the IPhone 4, not the S. What I mean by "use" is > specifically to start the fact that there's a touch screen. I've not > experienced that before. The whole phone will take me a while to get > use to. I just was wondering if there were any tips or tricks you all > could recommend > > On 2/4/12, josh gregory wrote: >> Hey Justin. I have the 4s. By "use it", what exactly do you mean? >> >> On 2/4/12, Justin Young wrote: >>> Hi to all! >>> >>> Hope you are all doing well. I recently just bought the Verizon >>> Wireless Iphone 4. I was wondering how many of you have a similar >>> phone or this phone. If you do could you please suggest ways to use >>> it. >>> >>> Thanks in advance, >>> >>> Justin >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Sent via gmail.com >> Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com >> Skype: joshgregory93 >> twitter: JoshG93 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com > -- Sent via gmail.com Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com Skype: joshgregory93 twitter: JoshG93 From frandi.galindo at gmail.com Sun Feb 5 00:54:06 2012 From: frandi.galindo at gmail.com (frandi.galindo at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 19:54:06 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about IPhone through Verizon In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2ED81A7A96494A7494167B308AD8D915@OwnerPC> I have one and only one recommendation. The Apple keyboard. I know a keyboard can be an inconvienance to lug around, but it makes using the phone so much easier. I can I suppose recommend a foldible keyboard, but I do not know much about them. -----Original Message----- From: josh gregory Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 4:37 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about IPhone through Verizon Justin: Scrolling (dragging your hand) and double tapping are the main components to the screen. Yeah it will take a while to do but you will do it. :) On 2/4/12, Justin Young wrote: > I have just the IPhone 4, not the S. What I mean by "use" is > specifically to start the fact that there's a touch screen. I've not > experienced that before. The whole phone will take me a while to get > use to. I just was wondering if there were any tips or tricks you all > could recommend > > On 2/4/12, josh gregory wrote: >> Hey Justin. I have the 4s. By "use it", what exactly do you mean? >> >> On 2/4/12, Justin Young wrote: >>> Hi to all! >>> >>> Hope you are all doing well. I recently just bought the Verizon >>> Wireless Iphone 4. I was wondering how many of you have a similar >>> phone or this phone. If you do could you please suggest ways to use >>> it. >>> >>> Thanks in advance, >>> >>> Justin >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Sent via gmail.com >> Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com >> Skype: joshgregory93 >> twitter: JoshG93 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com > -- Sent via gmail.com Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com Skype: joshgregory93 twitter: JoshG93 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/frandi.galindo%40gmail.com From rmiller at osb.k12.ok.us Sun Feb 5 00:55:30 2012 From: rmiller at osb.k12.ok.us (Robert Miller) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 18:55:30 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Blind Teachers Message-ID: <1DACBBE1A09A4C12B70A976CD462276D@osb.local> I was wondering if there are any blind individuals teaching in public schools across our nation. I have a blind student in high school who wants to be a teacher. I was hoping to gain some insight from all of you about the challenges she will face. Thank you, Robert From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Feb 5 01:50:44 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 20:50:44 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Blind Teachers In-Reply-To: <1DACBBE1A09A4C12B70A976CD462276D@osb.local> References: <1DACBBE1A09A4C12B70A976CD462276D@osb.local> Message-ID: Hi Robert, Yes there are teachers out there. You might want to join the blind educators list which is also on the www.nfbnet.org site. You might also want to contact the president of the Nobe division, national organization of blind educators. She will want a mentor based on her field of study. The challenges will vary widely based on the subject and age group of children or adults. If teaching elementary age kids, classroom management is a challenge. She will need to develop techniques for classroom management without vision. If teaching high school, you still need to manage them, but those students should be more mature. If teaching college or beyong, classroom management isn't much an issue; students have to behave or they can be asked to leave. The other two challenges are technology barriers and attitudinal barriers. As you may know, technology is becoming more prevelant at all grade levels and with that comes inaccessibility as a student or a teacher. Finally, not many officials give blind teachers a chance so that is an issue. I actually wanted to teach, but got discourage by the attitudes I faced in my education class and the workload for it. But it is doable. From what I've heard teachers are better received at the college level; another option is being self employed where you don't answer to anyone; like running your own home school or tutoring service. My point being teaching is a great field, but it doesn't have to mean sending out endless amounts of resumes and being rejected year after year. You can use teaching skills in other areas. HTH. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Robert Miller Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 7:55 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Blind Teachers I was wondering if there are any blind individuals teaching in public schools across our nation. I have a blind student in high school who wants to be a teacher. I was hoping to gain some insight from all of you about the challenges she will face. Thank you, Robert _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From arielle71 at gmail.com Sun Feb 5 01:52:23 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 18:52:23 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Blind Teachers In-Reply-To: <1DACBBE1A09A4C12B70A976CD462276D@osb.local> References: <1DACBBE1A09A4C12B70A976CD462276D@osb.local> Message-ID: Hi Robert, There is an organization called the National Organization of Blind Educators (NOBE) that is a division of the NFB. They have members who are blind and teach in public elementary, middle and high schools. NOBE has a listserv, which you can find at www.nfbnet.org Click "Join or Drop NFBNet lists" and then "NOBE-L" to sign up. I would encourage your student to sign up as well, and definitely support her choice of career. I have attended two NOBE meetings, and met several successful blind teachers. It is definitely something she will be able to do competently. Best, Arielle On 2/4/12, Robert Miller wrote: > I was wondering if there are any blind individuals teaching in public > schools across our nation. I have a blind student in high school who wants > to be a teacher. I was hoping to gain some insight from all of you about > the challenges she will face. > Thank you, > Robert > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com Sun Feb 5 02:03:57 2012 From: franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com (Jonathan Franks) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 20:03:57 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about IPhone through Verizon In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <841E58A3-CD39-42E7-A75D-D67CD05B6D6F@gmail.com> Go to blind cool techs site he has podcasts on all t his google search his site Sent from my iPhone On Feb 4, 2012, at 3:21 PM, Justin Young wrote: > I have just the IPhone 4, not the S. What I mean by "use" is > specifically to start the fact that there's a touch screen. I've not > experienced that before. The whole phone will take me a while to get > use to. I just was wondering if there were any tips or tricks you all > could recommend > > On 2/4/12, josh gregory wrote: >> Hey Justin. I have the 4s. By "use it", what exactly do you mean? >> >> On 2/4/12, Justin Young wrote: >>> Hi to all! >>> >>> Hope you are all doing well. I recently just bought the Verizon >>> Wireless Iphone 4. I was wondering how many of you have a similar >>> phone or this phone. If you do could you please suggest ways to use >>> it. >>> >>> Thanks in advance, >>> >>> Justin >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Sent via gmail.com >> Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com >> Skype: joshgregory93 >> twitter: JoshG93 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/franks.jonathan13%40gmail.com From wvucountrygirl729 at gmail.com Sun Feb 5 02:32:42 2012 From: wvucountrygirl729 at gmail.com (keri) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 21:32:42 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about IPhone through Verizon References: <841E58A3-CD39-42E7-A75D-D67CD05B6D6F@gmail.com> Message-ID: what parts are you having trouble with justin? keri "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will speak my heart." --Robert Sexton "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it." --Ivan Panin Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan Franks" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Cc: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about IPhone through Verizon > Go to blind cool techs site he has podcasts on all t > his google search his site > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 4, 2012, at 3:21 PM, Justin Young wrote: > >> I have just the IPhone 4, not the S. What I mean by "use" is >> specifically to start the fact that there's a touch screen. I've not >> experienced that before. The whole phone will take me a while to get >> use to. I just was wondering if there were any tips or tricks you all >> could recommend >> >> On 2/4/12, josh gregory wrote: >>> Hey Justin. I have the 4s. By "use it", what exactly do you mean? >>> >>> On 2/4/12, Justin Young wrote: >>>> Hi to all! >>>> >>>> Hope you are all doing well. I recently just bought the Verizon >>>> Wireless Iphone 4. I was wondering how many of you have a similar >>>> phone or this phone. If you do could you please suggest ways to use >>>> it. >>>> >>>> Thanks in advance, >>>> >>>> Justin >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sent via gmail.com >>> Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com >>> Skype: joshgregory93 >>> twitter: JoshG93 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/franks.jonathan13%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wvucountrygirl729%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Feb 5 03:07:17 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2012 22:07:17 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] fw: NFB-Newsline announcement Message-ID: <4f2df26b.41c4e00a.2cd1.7a6a@mx.google.com> FYI; some of you might be interested in this. See below for a job announcement from Scott White at the national center: Chris ---- Original Message ------ From: NFB-NEWSLINE It was one of the mini ones. Still bad though! Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Webster" wrote: Chris, I know what you're going through. I had a girl, put a dead frog in my shirt, as we were playing outside, (I was in elementary school, when that happened.) Go to your principal, and he/she should do something. This stuff has got to stop! If they don't do anything, go in front of the schoolboard! Blessings, Joshua On 2/1/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: Hi everyone, I had a problem at school today that I'd like to get your thoughts on as to what I should do next. Today during lunch, another kid at my table dumped his bag of pretzels into my water bottle without my knowing; he must have thought it was some kind of funny prank. Fortunately, I was sitting next to a good friend of mine, who told me about this. Even after multiple people commented negatively about what he did, he said nothing. Variations on this have happened before with this same kid as the perpetrater; only once before today this school year and 3 times last year. The one time something like this happened this year, he put his dirty napkin in my Yogurt cup (after I had finished eating the Yogurt) without saying anything. The first time (with the napkin,) I realized that this had happened as I was getting my trash together to throw it away. Knowing who did it, since he'd done this kind of thing before last year, I said, "(Insert name,) why is your napkin in my Yogurt?" Knowing that he had been caught, he replied, "Oh... sorry." I then talked to the lunch lady who is in charge of supervising all of us in the lunchroom. She said she would talk to him. I wasn't there when she did, but apparently she had, as the problem (for about a month and a half) had been resolved... that is, until today. I feel that this is a person taking advantage of my blindness and playing a "prank" on me knowing that I won't catch him. So, what do you think I should do next? Should I go to our principal? Should I talk to him directly? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17 %40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo se%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%4 0gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40 wavecable.c om _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dwebster125%4 0comcast.ne t _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Feb 5 03:07:20 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2012 22:07:20 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] an update to the bullying situation Message-ID: <4f2df26e.41c4e00a.2cd1.7a6d@mx.google.com> Thanks Joshua and David! I'm not going to go to the school board yet, and I trust my principal in that she will take care of it. But if not... yeah, I think school board is a good place to go! Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Hello, Chris. This is great. Just make sure that you follow up, and ake sure that she followed through on her part. I never had quite the same problem you're having in middle school, but there were some idiots in my time who didn't know to keep their hands to themselves. All the best with everything. David -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 7:03 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] an update to the bullying situation Thanks everyone for your suggestions and advice! This truly is a wonderful list! Just an update: I have talked to my principal and shared the whole story with her. She agrees with me that this is unacceptable behavior and promised to me that she would take care of it. I have heard nothing more since, but if there are any other developments, I will keep you all posted. Thank you again for your advice and encouragement! Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gloria G" You're right; it wouldn't be something to put in my IEP. But do you think it would hurt to bring it up to the team? Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" wrote: Chris, I know what you're going through. I had a girl, put a dead frog in my shirt, as we were playing outside, (I was in elementary school, when that happened.) Go to your principal, and he/she should do something. This stuff has got to stop! If they don't do anything, go in front of the schoolboard! Blessings, Joshua On 2/1/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: Hi everyone, I had a problem at school today that I'd like to get your thoughts on as to what I should do next. Today during lunch, another kid at my table dumped his bag of pretzels into my water bottle without my knowing; he must have thought it was some kind of funny prank. Fortunately, I was sitting next to a good friend of mine, who told me about this. Even after multiple people commented negatively about what he did, he said nothing. Variations on this have happened before with this same kid as the perpetrater; only once before today this school year and 3 times last year. The one time something like this happened this year, he put his dirty napkin in my Yogurt cup (after I had finished eating the Yogurt) without saying anything. The first time (with the napkin,) I realized that this had happened as I was getting my trash together to throw it away. Knowing who did it, since he'd done this kind of thing before last year, I said, "(Insert name,) why is your napkin in my Yogurt?" Knowing that he had been caught, he replied, "Oh... sorry." I then talked to the lunch lady who is in charge of supervising all of us in the lunchroom. She said she would talk to him. I wasn't there when she did, but apparently she had, as the problem (for about a month and a half) had been resolved... that is, until today. I feel that this is a person taking advantage of my blindness and playing a "prank" on me knowing that I won't catch him. So, what do you think I should do next? Should I go to our principal? Should I talk to him directly? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17 %40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo se%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%4 0gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40 wavecable.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From marsha.drenth at gmail.com Sun Feb 5 03:25:39 2012 From: marsha.drenth at gmail.com (Marsha Drenth) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 22:25:39 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about IPhone through Verizon In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What specifically do you wish to know how to do? -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin Young Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 3:57 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Question about IPhone through Verizon Hi to all! Hope you are all doing well. I recently just bought the Verizon Wireless Iphone 4. I was wondering how many of you have a similar phone or this phone. If you do could you please suggest ways to use it. Thanks in advance, Justin _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co m __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6858 (20120204) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6858 (20120204) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From smwhalenpsp at gmail.com Sun Feb 5 03:53:14 2012 From: smwhalenpsp at gmail.com (Sean Whalen) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 21:53:14 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS 2012 Mid-Winter Seminar Agenda Message-ID: <001001cce3b9$b266acb0$17340610$@com> Hello, Please find the agenda for NABS’ February 6 seminar attached. The seminar will start at 9:00am, with registration opening at 8:00. We will have Braille and large print agendas available at the meeting, but wanted to provide this to those of you who wish to look at it ahead of time, or load it onto an electronic device. And, don’t forget, NABS Café, Monday night from 8:00 to midnight. Live music, auction, cash bar, free snacks, and great people. Come on out and bring your friends! See any member of the NABS board before 7:30 on Monday night to purchase a ticket for $5. We will be charging $7 at the door. Look forward to seeing many of you in Washington! As always, call or write with any questions or concerns. Thanks, Sean Sean Whalen President, National Association of Blind Students Nabs.president at gmail.com 608 332-4147 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 2012 Agenda Final.doc Type: application/msword Size: 29696 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jty727 at gmail.com Sun Feb 5 04:11:57 2012 From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 23:11:57 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about IPhone through Verizon In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Marsha, I just was curious if anyone could help provide tips/tricks to use the touch screen part of this phone. It is new to me and I just wanted to see how others worked around the touch screen stuff. On 2/4/12, Marsha Drenth wrote: > What specifically do you wish to know how to do? > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Justin Young > Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 3:57 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Question about IPhone through Verizon > > Hi to all! > > Hope you are all doing well. I recently just bought the Verizon > Wireless Iphone 4. I was wondering how many of you have a similar > phone or this phone. If you do could you please suggest ways to use > it. > > Thanks in advance, > > Justin > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co > m > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 6858 (20120204) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 6858 (20120204) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Feb 5 04:30:25 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 23:30:25 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school In-Reply-To: <4f2df270.41c4e00a.2cd1.7a6f@mx.google.com> References: <4f2df270.41c4e00a.2cd1.7a6f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <236E58C4055B42E5AD32E47C2D71AE7B@OwnerPC> Chris, If it happens again and again, then bring it to the IEP team. But if not, I'd let it go. I mean you let the top official-- the principal know. So I think that is enough. Its not as if the Iep team will do anything more; and besides most of them such as your parents and TVI already know about the issues. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:07 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school You're right; it wouldn't be something to put in my IEP. But do you think it would hurt to bring it up to the team? Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" wrote: Chris, I know what you're going through. I had a girl, put a dead frog in my shirt, as we were playing outside, (I was in elementary school, when that happened.) Go to your principal, and he/she should do something. This stuff has got to stop! If they don't do anything, go in front of the schoolboard! Blessings, Joshua On 2/1/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: Hi everyone, I had a problem at school today that I'd like to get your thoughts on as to what I should do next. Today during lunch, another kid at my table dumped his bag of pretzels into my water bottle without my knowing; he must have thought it was some kind of funny prank. Fortunately, I was sitting next to a good friend of mine, who told me about this. Even after multiple people commented negatively about what he did, he said nothing. Variations on this have happened before with this same kid as the perpetrater; only once before today this school year and 3 times last year. The one time something like this happened this year, he put his dirty napkin in my Yogurt cup (after I had finished eating the Yogurt) without saying anything. The first time (with the napkin,) I realized that this had happened as I was getting my trash together to throw it away. Knowing who did it, since he'd done this kind of thing before last year, I said, "(Insert name,) why is your napkin in my Yogurt?" Knowing that he had been caught, he replied, "Oh... sorry." I then talked to the lunch lady who is in charge of supervising all of us in the lunchroom. She said she would talk to him. I wasn't there when she did, but apparently she had, as the problem (for about a month and a half) had been resolved... that is, until today. I feel that this is a person taking advantage of my blindness and playing a "prank" on me knowing that I won't catch him. So, what do you think I should do next? Should I go to our principal? Should I talk to him directly? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17 %40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo se%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%4 0gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40 wavecable.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sun Feb 5 04:46:31 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 22:46:31 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school In-Reply-To: <236E58C4055B42E5AD32E47C2D71AE7B@OwnerPC> References: <4f2df270.41c4e00a.2cd1.7a6f@mx.google.com> <236E58C4055B42E5AD32E47C2D71AE7B@OwnerPC> Message-ID: You're correct, Ashley. Don't bring it up in the IEP meeting. Also, in Arkansas, bullying is a crime, but my school district won't enforce the law! If a student is caught bullying, in Arkansas, they're supposed to be sent to a juvenile detention center! My brother is bullied, because of his skin condition, (Eczema,) and the school system won't do anything about it! Blessings, Joshua On 2/4/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Chris, > If it happens again and again, then bring it to the IEP team. But if not, > I'd let it go. I mean you let the top official-- the principal know. So I > think that is enough. Its not as if the Iep team will do anything more; and > besides most of them such as your parents and TVI already know about the > issues. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:07 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > You're right; it wouldn't be something to put in my IEP. But do > you think it would hurt to bring it up to the team? > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 15:09:51 -0800 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > This is not the kind of thing that you put in an IEP. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hope Paulos" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 4:48 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > > Hi Chris. I'm assuming you're in high school.. I'd go to > both your > principal and your guidance counselor. I wouldn't talk to him > directly-- I > think he'd get more dicipline if you had the principal talk to > him. I'd > also bring it up during your IEP/PET. > HTH > Hope and Beignet > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Beth" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:54 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > > I knew this kid, speaking of criminals who were playground and > school > bullies, who was always harassing me, got mein trouble at lunch > one day in > elementary school, and later went on to rape somebody and go to > jail for > it. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Desiree Oudinot To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 18:41:07 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > When I was in elementary school, I had kids stealing books from > me, > throwing erasers in my hair, pulling chairs out from under me, > you > name it, they did it. The worst part was that most times, my > teachers > were right there, and refused to do anything about it, because > they > too were uncomfortable with my blindness, so why should they > intervene? I say this because it wasn't so long ago that this > happened > to me. I grew up in the 90's, before bullying was the huge deal > it is > now, but still close enough to the events of Columbine that it > wasn't > completely unheard of either. And it was as "unacceptable" then > as it > is now. Yes, I put unacceptable in quotes, because guess what, > it > happens every day and so little of it is actually dealt with. > Meanwhile, things that are no real problem at all are resulting > in > criminal records, such as a case I heard about recently where a > boy > gave his friend a hug in school and was charged with sexual > harassment. I forget their exact ages, but they were young, > elementary > school age. And yet, kids are driven to suicide, depression, > drugs, > and every other dysfunction in the book, because they're bullied > mercilessly every day and no one will do anything about it. > Why do I say all this? I say it because I hope your school isn't > like > mine was. I hope that someone in authority actually cares. I > hope that > it doesn't escalate, because most kids have a cruel streak. I > think > it's true what they say about the impulsiveness of > adolescents--it's > human nature to be cruel, and at that age, most of us haven't > learned > how to control those impulses or aggressions, making them the > most > prone not only to selfishness and thoughtlessness, but to almost > animal rage, not to mention an inability to see beyond their own > actions to how they might be affecting others. My point is, > people > like this have to be stopped. Perhaps if something can get > through to > them while they're still young and impressionable, they might > not grow > up to be tomorrow's criminals. Or maybe they will, who knows. > But I've > seen enough to know what usually happens in these situations, > even if > it was 15 years ago; and, in saying that, I hope things have > evolved > at least a little bit since then. It makes me sick to read > messages > like this. I hope for your sake that these small actions do not > go > untouched. Right now this kid is probably testing the waters, > seeing > just how much he can get away with. If he can steal a pack of > gum, so > to speak, he may try to steal a candy bar next, then a bag of > chips, > and on and on it goes, you get the picture. > > On 2/1/12, Joshua Lester wrote: > Chris, I know what you're going through. > I had a girl, put a dead frog in my shirt, as we were playing > outside, > (I was in elementary school, when that happened.) > Go to your principal, and he/she should do something. > This stuff has got to stop! > If they don't do anything, go in front of the schoolboard! > Blessings, Joshua > > On 2/1/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I had a problem at school today that I'd like to get your > thoughts on as to what I should do next. Today during lunch, > another kid at my table dumped his bag of pretzels into my water > bottle without my knowing; he must have thought it was some kind > of funny prank. Fortunately, I was sitting next to a good > friend > of mine, who told me about this. Even after multiple people > commented negatively about what he did, he said nothing. > > Variations on this have happened before with this same kid as > the > perpetrater; only once before today this school year and 3 times > last year. The one time something like this happened this year, > he put his dirty napkin in my Yogurt cup (after I had finished > eating the Yogurt) without saying anything. The first time > (with > the napkin,) I realized that this had happened as I was getting > my trash together to throw it away. Knowing who did it, since > he'd done this kind of thing before last year, I said, "(Insert > name,) why is your napkin in my Yogurt?" Knowing that he had > been > caught, he replied, "Oh... sorry." I then talked to the lunch > lady who is in charge of supervising all of us in the lunchroom. > She said she would talk to him. I wasn't there when she did, > but > apparently she had, as the problem (for about a month and a > half) > had been resolved... that is, until today. > > I feel that this is a person taking advantage of my blindness > and > playing a "prank" on me knowing that I won't catch him. So, > what > do you think I should do next? Should I go to our principal? > Should I talk to him directly? Any suggestions would be greatly > appreciated! > Thanks, > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17 > %40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo > se%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%4 > 0gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40 > wavecable.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From ignasicambra at gmail.com Sun Feb 5 04:51:51 2012 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 23:51:51 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about IPhone through Verizon In-Reply-To: <2ED81A7A96494A7494167B308AD8D915@OwnerPC> References: <2ED81A7A96494A7494167B308AD8D915@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <-1281966176859362896@unknownmsgid> Why would anyone carry a full keyboard in order to use a phone? You might as well just take your laptop!!! Sent from my iPhone On Feb 4, 2012, at 7:55 PM, "frandi.galindo at gmail.com" wrote: > I have one and only one recommendation. The Apple keyboard. I know a keyboard can be an inconvienance to lug around, but it makes using the phone so much easier. I can I suppose recommend a foldible keyboard, but I do not know much about them. > > -----Original Message----- From: josh gregory > Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 4:37 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about IPhone through Verizon > > Justin: Scrolling (dragging your hand) and double tapping are the main > components to the screen. Yeah it will take a while to do but you will > do it. :) > > On 2/4/12, Justin Young wrote: >> I have just the IPhone 4, not the S. What I mean by "use" is >> specifically to start the fact that there's a touch screen. I've not >> experienced that before. The whole phone will take me a while to get >> use to. I just was wondering if there were any tips or tricks you all >> could recommend >> >> On 2/4/12, josh gregory wrote: >>> Hey Justin. I have the 4s. By "use it", what exactly do you mean? >>> >>> On 2/4/12, Justin Young wrote: >>>> Hi to all! >>>> >>>> Hope you are all doing well. I recently just bought the Verizon >>>> Wireless Iphone 4. I was wondering how many of you have a similar >>>> phone or this phone. If you do could you please suggest ways to use >>>> it. >>>> >>>> Thanks in advance, >>>> >>>> Justin >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sent via gmail.com >>> Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com >>> Skype: joshgregory93 >>> twitter: JoshG93 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Sent via gmail.com > Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com > Skype: joshgregory93 > twitter: JoshG93 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/frandi.galindo%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Feb 5 05:47:46 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 00:47:46 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about IPhone through Verizon In-Reply-To: <-1281966176859362896@unknownmsgid> References: <2ED81A7A96494A7494167B308AD8D915@OwnerPC> <-1281966176859362896@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: some people may want a keyboard because its easier to feel the keys and type. Sighted people do it. And, its smaller than a laptop, so saying carry a laptop is different than carrying a phone and keyboard together. -----Original Message----- From: Ignasi Cambra Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:51 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about IPhone through Verizon Why would anyone carry a full keyboard in order to use a phone? You might as well just take your laptop!!! Sent from my iPhone On Feb 4, 2012, at 7:55 PM, "frandi.galindo at gmail.com" wrote: > I have one and only one recommendation. The Apple keyboard. I know a > keyboard can be an inconvienance to lug around, but it makes using the > phone so much easier. I can I suppose recommend a foldible keyboard, but > I do not know much about them. > > -----Original Message----- From: josh gregory > Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 4:37 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about IPhone through Verizon > > Justin: Scrolling (dragging your hand) and double tapping are the main > components to the screen. Yeah it will take a while to do but you will > do it. :) > > On 2/4/12, Justin Young wrote: >> I have just the IPhone 4, not the S. What I mean by "use" is >> specifically to start the fact that there's a touch screen. I've not >> experienced that before. The whole phone will take me a while to get >> use to. I just was wondering if there were any tips or tricks you all >> could recommend >> >> On 2/4/12, josh gregory wrote: >>> Hey Justin. I have the 4s. By "use it", what exactly do you mean? >>> >>> On 2/4/12, Justin Young wrote: >>>> Hi to all! >>>> >>>> Hope you are all doing well. I recently just bought the Verizon >>>> Wireless Iphone 4. I was wondering how many of you have a similar >>>> phone or this phone. If you do could you please suggest ways to use >>>> it. >>>> >>>> Thanks in advance, >>>> >>>> Justin >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sent via gmail.com >>> Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com >>> Skype: joshgregory93 >>> twitter: JoshG93 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Sent via gmail.com > Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com > Skype: joshgregory93 > twitter: JoshG93 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/frandi.galindo%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From ignasicambra at gmail.com Sun Feb 5 04:56:24 2012 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 23:56:24 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about IPhone through Verizon In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2294504549915903617@unknownmsgid> It's not a touch screen part, and you shouldn't be thinking about how to go around it. The iphone is a touch screen device, and I strongly recommend that you use it like one. A few weeks ago I wrote on this list about a small accessory that I find useful when typing, but other than that the iphone is a great, fully accessible touch screen phone. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 4, 2012, at 11:13 PM, Justin Young wrote: > Hi Marsha, > > I just was curious if anyone could help provide tips/tricks to use the > touch screen part of this phone. It is new to me and I just wanted to > see how others worked around the touch screen stuff. > > On 2/4/12, Marsha Drenth wrote: >> What specifically do you wish to know how to do? >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >> Of Justin Young >> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 3:57 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] Question about IPhone through Verizon >> >> Hi to all! >> >> Hope you are all doing well. I recently just bought the Verizon >> Wireless Iphone 4. I was wondering how many of you have a similar >> phone or this phone. If you do could you please suggest ways to use >> it. >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> Justin >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co >> m >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature >> database 6858 (20120204) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature >> database 6858 (20120204) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From opensesame at me.com Sun Feb 5 14:04:04 2012 From: opensesame at me.com (Bryan Jones) Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2012 09:04:04 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Using a bluetooth keyboard with an iPHone [Was: Re: Question about IPhone through Verizon] In-Reply-To: <2294504549915903617@unknownmsgid> References: <2294504549915903617@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <0156A28E-1BF2-4A3B-B959-DB685A8504EB@me.com> I personally prefer to not limit myself to using just the touch screen functionality of my iPhone. Perhaps this is because I think of my iPhone as a powerful, versatile and accessible small computer that also happens to be a wonderful communication device. While I normaly use the standard on-screen keyboard and standard VO gestures to operate the device, I've found that I can perform some tasks better when I've paired my Apple BT keyboard. Examples include typing lengthy replies to emails, texts or FB posts,taking notes in class and editing documents, spreadsheets & databases, all of which can be done to some degree on the iPhone. Cheers, Bryan Sent from my iPhone, typed with my Apple BT keyboard. On Feb 4, 2012, at 11:56 PM, Ignasi Cambra wrote: > It's not a touch screen part, and you shouldn't be thinking about how > to go around it. The iphone is a touch screen device, and I strongly > recommend that you use it like one. A few weeks ago I wrote on this > list about a small accessory that I find useful when typing, but other > than that the iphone is a great, fully accessible touch screen phone. > From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Sun Feb 5 14:40:44 2012 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2012 07:40:44 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Using a bluetooth keyboard with an iPHone [Was: Re:Question about IPhone through Verizon] Message-ID: <4f2e94f1.5379440a.24a6.ffffaf4b@mx.google.com> I have an iPod Touch Fourth Generation, but I love my Bluetooth Keyboard. The same stuff Bryan said applies to anyone with an iPod. The only difference with that and the iPhone is that the phone has a data plan, which for me is too expensive, so I got an iPod instead. But I'm fine with my Samsung phone myself. Back to the iPod. I use the keyboard for typing all messages on IM clients like IM Plus. I also use the touch screen for looking at the notification center, which is really convenient with iOS 5. I love the way VO sounds with iOS 5 versus iOS 4, the way it sounded. It sounds really clear and natural, and all the notifications being in one place helps a lot. Reminders are great too. The keyboard makes it easier to navigate the creen, but I use the touch screen to shortcut my way around the apps with ease. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: Bryan Jones wrote: It's not a touch screen part, and you shouldn't be thinking about how to go around it. The iphone is a touch screen device, and I strongly recommend that you use it like one. A few weeks ago I wrote on this list about a small accessory that I find useful when typing, but other than that the iphone is a great, fully accessible touch screen phone. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo se%40gmail.com From opensesame at me.com Sun Feb 5 15:27:04 2012 From: opensesame at me.com (Bryan Jones) Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2012 10:27:04 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about IPhone through Verizon In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0B2FDB3B-2914-4FCD-8689-AE29750B0051@me.com> Hello Justin and All, I have been using my iPHone 4 extensively to help me succeed in college after a 20+ year absence from the classroom. While my iPHone 4, and my new iPHone 4S both run on the ATT network, most of the tools and techniques you'll use are not carrier-dependent. Here are some of the tools and resources I've used to learn and enhance my iPHone experience. Hope you can find something helpful here, and best of luck with your iPHone. 1. Here's a link to Apple's web page outlining the VI features of the iPhone. At the bottom of that page there is also a link to the accessible version of the iPHone User Guide. http://www.apple.com/accessibility/iphone/vision.html 2. The book titled "Getting Started with the iPHone: A guide for blind Users" was published last year and is available in several formats at the following link: http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/IPHONE.html 3. Make use of the VoiceOver practice area built into the iPhone. You can find this in Settings / General / Accessibility / VoiceOver / VoiceOver Practice. 4. The Applevis.com website is an active community of VI IOS Users where folks post reviews of various IOS Apps and their accessibility or lack thereof. While most of the built-in Apps that come with the iPhone are perfectly accessible using VO, not all third party developers follow Apple's IOS accessibility programming guidelines. Applevis is a good place to check before making an App purchase. 5. There are a number of active email lists dedicated to VI IOS Users. A search using your favorite browser will turn up a number of hits including the "viphone" google group and the "aiphone" yahoo group. For a group with more international reach, try searching for mac-access. Note that the Google and Yahoo groups have archives you might be able to search without joining the group, if you're so inclined. 6. Here are a few of my favorite Apps that I've found helpful as a college student. The "Flashcards++" IOS App. I posted a review of the app on applevis if you're interested, but I'll just add here that this app blows me away every time I use it. The simplicity of the interface hides a tremendous wealth of options. There are numerous ways to import cards you've created, such as via a simple CSV created in TextEdit, or via the major flashcard sites such as quizlet.com. You can also create the cards manually right on the device and can edit any of the cards you've imported or created. Once you've created your cards, you have access to a vast number of ways to display the cards, and the built-in logic really worked well to focus on the cards I was having difficulty learning. While the app is great for general purpose learning, it was actually developed by a student of languages and includes tools to handle many languages. You can select a different language for the front and back of each card and, if you don't want to rotor between VO voices to hear correct pronunciation, a button is provided to speak the words via a TTS engine hosted somewhere on the Internet. The "Speak It" IOS App. Essentially, speak It will read a block of text pasted into the App, and, unlike VO, will continue to read it aloud even when the iPhone has been locked. I would often cut and paste chapters from an OCR'd textbook into Speak It, lock the iPhone screen, stick the phone in my pocket, and listen to the information over and over again as I went about other tasks. The "ClearRecord" IOS App. I used this App on my iPhone to record every lecture this semester. It somehow manages to do a good job of blocking out some of the extraneous classroom noises while capturing the important stuff. One shortcoming of this App is it's weak playback controls and options. I worked around this issue by using iTunes on the Mac to tag the recordings as audiobooks for playback via other Apps. The "Sendero LookAround" App. While there are a bunch of accessible and semi-accessible GPS Apps for the iPHone, I often found my self using Sendero's App to pinpoint my current location, nearest cross street, and direction of travel. Note that this App does not provide turn-by-turn GPS functionality and it has a very limited POI database. There are plenty of good accessible GPS and POI Apps, many of which are reviewed on Applevis.com and blindcooltech.com. The "LearningAlly" App. Enables you to listen to daisy books from the LearningAlly site. Coursesmart.com e-textbooks. While Coursesmart's native IOS Apps do not expose thee book text to VO, it is possible with some patience to read hosted e-textbook rentals through IOS Safari as long as you have an active Internet connection. I am also able to access most of my school's online resources using the built-in Apps, such as Mail for my school exchange email account and Safari for the D2L environment. HTH, Bryan On Feb 4, 2012, at 3:56 PM, Justin Young wrote: > Hope you are all doing well. I recently just bought the Verizon > Wireless Iphone 4. I was wondering how many of you have a similar > phone or this phone. If you do could you please suggest ways to use > it. From marsha.drenth at gmail.com Sun Feb 5 18:48:52 2012 From: marsha.drenth at gmail.com (Marsha Drenth) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 13:48:52 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about IPhone through Verizon In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Justin, I really can't say much more than what Bryan has posted. He has given a great deal of useful information. Read the websites and the books he listed. As a student I have found a lot of the same things and use a lot of the same apps. Good luck! Marsha -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin Young Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:12 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about IPhone through Verizon Hi Marsha, I just was curious if anyone could help provide tips/tricks to use the touch screen part of this phone. It is new to me and I just wanted to see how others worked around the touch screen stuff. On 2/4/12, Marsha Drenth wrote: > What specifically do you wish to know how to do? > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Justin Young > Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 3:57 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Question about IPhone through Verizon > > Hi to all! > > Hope you are all doing well. I recently just bought the Verizon > Wireless Iphone 4. I was wondering how many of you have a similar > phone or this phone. If you do could you please suggest ways to use > it. > > Thanks in advance, > > Justin > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co > m > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 6858 (20120204) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 6858 (20120204) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co m __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6858 (20120204) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6859 (20120205) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6860 (20120205) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6860 (20120205) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From jty727 at gmail.com Sun Feb 5 19:03:20 2012 From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 14:03:20 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about IPhone through Verizon In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes all the stuff Brian posted looks like what I am after. Thanks all for the help! On 2/5/12, Marsha Drenth wrote: > Justin, > > I really can't say much more than what Bryan has posted. He has given a > great deal of useful information. Read the websites and the books he listed. > As a student I have found a lot of the same things and use a lot of the same > apps. > > Good luck! > Marsha > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Justin Young > Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:12 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about IPhone through Verizon > > Hi Marsha, > > I just was curious if anyone could help provide tips/tricks to use the > touch screen part of this phone. It is new to me and I just wanted to > see how others worked around the touch screen stuff. > > On 2/4/12, Marsha Drenth wrote: >> What specifically do you wish to know how to do? >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf >> Of Justin Young >> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 3:57 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] Question about IPhone through Verizon >> >> Hi to all! >> >> Hope you are all doing well. I recently just bought the Verizon >> Wireless Iphone 4. I was wondering how many of you have a similar >> phone or this phone. If you do could you please suggest ways to use >> it. >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> Justin >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co >> m >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature >> database 6858 (20120204) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature >> database 6858 (20120204) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co > m > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 6858 (20120204) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 6859 (20120205) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 6860 (20120205) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 6860 (20120205) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > From zach2012 at chickerland.com Sun Feb 5 20:44:03 2012 From: zach2012 at chickerland.com (Zach) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 13:44:03 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about IPhone through Verizon In-Reply-To: <3DF23A39E4444AF9A853D540B1A66CA1@Gloria> References: <3DF23A39E4444AF9A853D540B1A66CA1@Gloria> Message-ID: the samsung haven. Zach Dreicer-Griego Email: zach2012 at chickerland.com Skype and Twitter: Chickerland Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/chickerland -----Original Message----- From: Gloria G Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:09 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about IPhone through Verizon Hi, Can anyone give me a list of accessible phones from verizon? I have heard about the octain and the HTC ozone and the I-phone. Are there others besides these? I really didn't want a smart phone but was wondering what my options were. It is difficult trying to explain things like accessibility to the customer services people. Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Young" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:56 PM Subject: [nabs-l] Question about IPhone through Verizon > Hi to all! > > Hope you are all doing well. I recently just bought the Verizon > Wireless Iphone 4. I was wondering how many of you have a similar > phone or this phone. If you do could you please suggest ways to use > it. > > Thanks in advance, > > Justin > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zach2012%40chickerland.com From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Mon Feb 6 07:31:38 2012 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 23:31:38 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school References: <4f2df270.41c4e00a.2cd1.7a6f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: It depends on who it is. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 7:07 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > You're right; it wouldn't be something to put in my IEP. But do you think > it would hurt to bring it up to the team? > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a > blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be > reduced to a mere physical nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 15:09:51 -0800 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > This is not the kind of thing that you put in an IEP. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hope Paulos" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 4:48 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > > Hi Chris. I'm assuming you're in high school.. I'd go to both your > principal and your guidance counselor. I wouldn't talk to him directly-- > I > think he'd get more dicipline if you had the principal talk to him. I'd > also bring it up during your IEP/PET. > HTH > Hope and Beignet > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Beth" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:54 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > > I knew this kid, speaking of criminals who were playground and school > bullies, who was always harassing me, got mein trouble at lunch one day in > elementary school, and later went on to rape somebody and go to jail for > it. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Desiree Oudinot To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 18:41:07 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > When I was in elementary school, I had kids stealing books from me, > throwing erasers in my hair, pulling chairs out from under me, you > name it, they did it. The worst part was that most times, my teachers > were right there, and refused to do anything about it, because they > too were uncomfortable with my blindness, so why should they > intervene? I say this because it wasn't so long ago that this happened > to me. I grew up in the 90's, before bullying was the huge deal it is > now, but still close enough to the events of Columbine that it wasn't > completely unheard of either. And it was as "unacceptable" then as it > is now. Yes, I put unacceptable in quotes, because guess what, it > happens every day and so little of it is actually dealt with. > Meanwhile, things that are no real problem at all are resulting in > criminal records, such as a case I heard about recently where a boy > gave his friend a hug in school and was charged with sexual > harassment. I forget their exact ages, but they were young, elementary > school age. And yet, kids are driven to suicide, depression, drugs, > and every other dysfunction in the book, because they're bullied > mercilessly every day and no one will do anything about it. > Why do I say all this? I say it because I hope your school isn't like > mine was. I hope that someone in authority actually cares. I hope that > it doesn't escalate, because most kids have a cruel streak. I think > it's true what they say about the impulsiveness of adolescents--it's > human nature to be cruel, and at that age, most of us haven't learned > how to control those impulses or aggressions, making them the most > prone not only to selfishness and thoughtlessness, but to almost > animal rage, not to mention an inability to see beyond their own > actions to how they might be affecting others. My point is, people > like this have to be stopped. Perhaps if something can get through to > them while they're still young and impressionable, they might not grow > up to be tomorrow's criminals. Or maybe they will, who knows. But I've > seen enough to know what usually happens in these situations, even if > it was 15 years ago; and, in saying that, I hope things have evolved > at least a little bit since then. It makes me sick to read messages > like this. I hope for your sake that these small actions do not go > untouched. Right now this kid is probably testing the waters, seeing > just how much he can get away with. If he can steal a pack of gum, so > to speak, he may try to steal a candy bar next, then a bag of chips, > and on and on it goes, you get the picture. > > On 2/1/12, Joshua Lester wrote: > Chris, I know what you're going through. > I had a girl, put a dead frog in my shirt, as we were playing outside, > (I was in elementary school, when that happened.) > Go to your principal, and he/she should do something. > This stuff has got to stop! > If they don't do anything, go in front of the schoolboard! > Blessings, Joshua > > On 2/1/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I had a problem at school today that I'd like to get your > thoughts on as to what I should do next. Today during lunch, > another kid at my table dumped his bag of pretzels into my water > bottle without my knowing; he must have thought it was some kind > of funny prank. Fortunately, I was sitting next to a good friend > of mine, who told me about this. Even after multiple people > commented negatively about what he did, he said nothing. > > Variations on this have happened before with this same kid as the > perpetrater; only once before today this school year and 3 times > last year. The one time something like this happened this year, > he put his dirty napkin in my Yogurt cup (after I had finished > eating the Yogurt) without saying anything. The first time (with > the napkin,) I realized that this had happened as I was getting > my trash together to throw it away. Knowing who did it, since > he'd done this kind of thing before last year, I said, "(Insert > name,) why is your napkin in my Yogurt?" Knowing that he had been > caught, he replied, "Oh... sorry." I then talked to the lunch > lady who is in charge of supervising all of us in the lunchroom. > She said she would talk to him. I wasn't there when she did, but > apparently she had, as the problem (for about a month and a half) > had been resolved... that is, until today. > > I feel that this is a person taking advantage of my blindness and > playing a "prank" on me knowing that I won't catch him. So, what > do you think I should do next? Should I go to our principal? > Should I talk to him directly? Any suggestions would be greatly > appreciated! > Thanks, > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17 > %40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo > se%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%4 > 0gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40 > wavecable.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Feb 6 15:27:56 2012 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 07:27:56 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Today's tcjwb on wics radio america Message-ID: <837F5D59-AD48-4D27-8CD7-1C3B2A139959@gmail.com> I'm writing this late as I forgot to send this out last night. Oops. Today is comity music. from an ancestor of J.S Bach and also some dr. Demento with his version of comity music. I hope you will for those who can fill out a test application with us. If you are rejected for any reason we will state why. For example, we are not looking for that type of content at this time. Please try again later. Enjoy the upcoming show. Info is below. Place: Http://Listen.Ultrastreams.Us:8022/Stream.M3u time: Monday from 9-11 pm eastern, 8-10 pm central, 7-9 mountain, and 6-8 pm pacific contact info show twitter: Http://Twitter.Com/tcjwb station twitter: Http://Twitter.Com/wicsradio. If you need to contact me off air contact me here. Http://Marrie.Org/contact.Php or here. Http://Twitter.Com/marrie1 see you there. From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Tue Feb 7 01:37:47 2012 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 17:37:47 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Skype Problems Message-ID: <817251FEED094599AEC3CD9B0B805467@stanford.edu> I just started using Skype. Whenever I close the add contact dialog, I get some message about hidden conversations. There is an okay button and a don't show this dialog check box, but neither do anything. I cannot move JAWS off of the okay button. I tried routing JAWS to PC and clicking that way, but nothing happens. Any suggestions? The only way for me to get out of it is to shut it down through the task manager, which shuts down all of Skype. Nicole From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Feb 7 01:38:01 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2012 20:38:01 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible phones from Verizon Message-ID: <4f308080.41c4e00a.2cd1.ffffd597@mx.google.com> If you want an accessible phone from Verizon without getting a smartphone, the Haven from Sampsung is a great option for you! If you would like more information, please email me off-list at dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com. Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gloria G" Hi Justin, The trick for any blind user of an iDevice is knowing the gestures. I have an iPod Touch, and have only recently gotten the gestures down. I'd just advise you to play around with the gestures and learn what they do. You could start out playing around with the VoiceOver practice, which you can get to from settings, accessibility, VoiceOver, VoiceOver practice. Once on that screen, you can try the different gestures out: flick, swipe, double-tap, etc, and VoiceOver will tell you what these gestures do. You can also check out www.applevis.com, which is a great resource for podcasts and other tutorials for using different parts of the iPhone/iPod/iPad with VoiceOver, as well as accessible apps. Another great resource for getting started with the iPhone is the book... well... "Getting Started with the iPhone," which is available from National Braille Press; I believe it is available in both hardcopy Braille and e-Braille. Just play around with it and take advantage of the wonderful resources on the Internet that can help you! The touch screen and gestures will seem a little tedious at first, but just be patient and I'm sure you'll get the hang of it. Good luck and have fun! Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan ----- Original Message ----- From: Justin Young Hey Josh, I can't speak for Justin here, but I think he's asking for tips on using VoiceOver and the gestures. That's at least what I took from his message; Justin, if that's what you were asking, please see my previous post. Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan ----- Original Message ----- From: josh gregory wrote: Hi to all! Hope you are all doing well. I recently just bought the Verizon Wireless Iphone 4. I was wondering how many of you have a similar phone or this phone. If you do could you please suggest ways to use it. Thanks in advance, Justin _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40 gmail.com -- Sent via gmail.com Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com Skype: joshgregory93 twitter: JoshG93 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From leanicole1988 at gmail.com Tue Feb 7 02:31:51 2012 From: leanicole1988 at gmail.com (Lea williams) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:31:51 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Skype Problems In-Reply-To: <817251FEED094599AEC3CD9B0B805467@stanford.edu> References: <817251FEED094599AEC3CD9B0B805467@stanford.edu> Message-ID: Have you tried just pressing enter on the OK button? On 2/6/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: > I just started using Skype. Whenever I close the add contact dialog, I get > some message about hidden conversations. There is an okay button and a don't > show this dialog check box, but neither do anything. I cannot move JAWS off > of the okay button. I tried routing JAWS to PC and clicking that way, but > nothing happens. Any suggestions? The only way for me to get out of it is to > shut it down through the task manager, which shuts down all of Skype. > > Nicole > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com > -- Lea Williams Phone; 704-732-4470 Skipe; Lea.williams738 Facebook http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 Twitter http://twitter.com/LeaNicole1988 From jeffanel at gmail.com Tue Feb 7 02:36:36 2012 From: jeffanel at gmail.com (jeff crouch) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:36:36 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Skype Problems In-Reply-To: References: <817251FEED094599AEC3CD9B0B805467@stanford.edu> Message-ID: Dear Nabs, to Nicole, I would try the enter key, skype has that problem. if you need help, feel free to add me at magic2127 it will come up as jeff c And all are welcome to add me On 2/6/12, Lea williams wrote: > Have you tried just pressing enter on the OK button? > > On 2/6/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: >> I just started using Skype. Whenever I close the add contact dialog, I get >> some message about hidden conversations. There is an okay button and a >> don't >> show this dialog check box, but neither do anything. I cannot move JAWS >> off >> of the okay button. I tried routing JAWS to PC and clicking that way, but >> nothing happens. Any suggestions? The only way for me to get out of it is >> to >> shut it down through the task manager, which shuts down all of Skype. >> >> Nicole >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > > Lea Williams > > Phone; > 704-732-4470 > Skipe; > Lea.williams738 > Facebook > http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 > Twitter > http://twitter.com/LeaNicole1988 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jeffanel%40gmail.com > -- 73 kd8qiq jeff crouch From franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com Tue Feb 7 03:54:53 2012 From: franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com (jonathan franks) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:54:53 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible phones from Verizon In-Reply-To: <4f308080.41c4e00a.2cd1.ffffd597@mx.google.com> References: <4f308080.41c4e00a.2cd1.ffffd597@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Before I got the new i phone 4s I used the samsung haven, I liked it alot, only problems I had with it is it takes a while to connect when making a call and sometimes it is hard to understand what the voice is saying when reading a text. But if you are looking for a costefficient phone that isn't a smart phone, this one is around$40, when I was with Verizon, my upgrade got it down to $10. Good luck. On 2/6/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > If you want an accessible phone from Verizon without getting a > smartphone, the Haven from Sampsung is a great option for you! If > you would like more information, please email me off-list at > dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com. > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gloria G" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 15:09:28 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about IPhone through Verizon > > Hi, > Can anyone give me a list of accessible phones from verizon? I > have heard > about the octain and the HTC ozone and the I-phone. Are there > others besides > these? I really didn't want a smart phone but was wondering what > my options > were. It is difficult trying to explain things like > accessibility to the > customer services people. Thanks > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Justin Young" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:56 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] Question about IPhone through Verizon > > > Hi to all! > > Hope you are all doing well. I recently just bought the Verizon > Wireless Iphone 4. I was wondering how many of you have a > similar > phone or this phone. If you do could you please suggest ways to > use > it. > > Thanks in advance, > > Justin > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves > %40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/franks.jonathan13%40gmail.com > From franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com Tue Feb 7 03:58:39 2012 From: franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com (jonathan franks) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:58:39 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Using a bluetooth keyboard with an iPHone [Was: Re:Question about IPhone through Verizon] In-Reply-To: <4f2e94f1.5379440a.24a6.ffffaf4b@mx.google.com> References: <4f2e94f1.5379440a.24a6.ffffaf4b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I have synched the logitech bluetooth keyboard to my ipod touch and my iphone 4s, it works rather well, I still have a little trouble with accuracy, since I use a bigger keyboard for my pc, and I am not sure what all the buttons are with the logitech keyboard, since I use a pc board. But it works rather well for those whom are looking to use a bluetooth keyboard. ~Jonathan~ On 2/5/12, Beth wrote: > I have an iPod Touch Fourth Generation, but I love my Bluetooth > Keyboard. The same stuff Bryan said applies to anyone with an > iPod. The only difference with that and the iPhone is that the > phone has a data plan, which for me is too expensive, so I got an > iPod instead. But I'm fine with my Samsung phone myself. Back > to the iPod. I use the keyboard for typing all messages on IM > clients like IM Plus. I also use the touch screen for looking at > the notification center, which is really convenient with iOS 5. > I love the way VO sounds with iOS 5 versus iOS 4, the way it > sounded. It sounds really clear and natural, and all the > notifications being in one place helps a lot. Reminders are > great too. The keyboard makes it easier to navigate the creen, > but I use the touch screen to shortcut my way around the apps > with ease. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bryan Jones To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sun, 05 Feb 2012 09:04:04 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] Using a bluetooth keyboard with an iPHone [Was: > Re:Question about IPhone through Verizon] > > I personally prefer to not limit myself to using just the touch > screen functionality of my iPhone. Perhaps this is because I > think of my iPhone as a powerful, versatile and accessible small > computer that also happens to be a wonderful communication > device. While I normaly use the standard on-screen keyboard and > standard VO gestures to operate the device, I've found that I can > perform some tasks better when I've paired my Apple BT keyboard. > > Examples include typing lengthy replies to emails, texts or FB > posts,taking notes in class and editing documents, spreadsheets & > databases, all of which can be done to some degree on the iPhone. > > Cheers, > Bryan > > Sent from my iPhone, typed with my Apple BT keyboard. > > On Feb 4, 2012, at 11:56 PM, Ignasi Cambra > wrote: > It's not a touch screen part, and you shouldn't be thinking > about how > to go around it. The iphone is a touch screen device, and I > strongly > recommend that you use it like one. A few weeks ago I wrote on > this > list about a small accessory that I find useful when typing, but > other > than that the iphone is a great, fully accessible touch screen > phone. > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo > se%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/franks.jonathan13%40gmail.com > From franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com Tue Feb 7 04:01:07 2012 From: franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com (jonathan franks) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 22:01:07 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] an update to the bullying situation In-Reply-To: <4f2bdb13.87bfe00a.0465.6545@mx.google.com> References: <4f2bdb13.87bfe00a.0465.6545@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Good luck with that Chris, I didn't grow up blind, I lost my sight at the age of 22, and now at the age of 27 I have returned to school, but bullying nonetheless is unacceptable, just try to remember, that not all people are bad, there are bad apples out there, but there are genuinely good people whom care about you. On 2/3/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Thanks everyone for your suggestions and advice! This truly is a > wonderful list! Just an update: I have talked to my principal and > shared the whole story with her. She agrees with me that this is > unacceptable behavior and promised to me that she would take care > of it. I have heard nothing more since, but if there are any > other developments, I will keep you all posted. Thank you again > for your advice and encouragement! > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gloria G" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 17:56:03 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > Hi, > I would go to your principle because you said something to him > about the > napkin and he didn't stop. I think it is just a sick person > getting a laugh > on the pain of someone else. You shouldn't allow things like > that to > continue because next time it could be something that could > endanger your > safety. Just a thought! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Nusbaum" To: "NFB NABS list" Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 5:13 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > > Hi everyone, > > I had a problem at school today that I'd like to get your > thoughts on as > to what I should do next. Today during lunch, another kid at my > table > dumped his bag of pretzels into my water bottle without my > knowing; he > must have thought it was some kind of funny prank. Fortunately, > I was > sitting next to a good friend of mine, who told me about this. > Even after > multiple people commented negatively about what he did, he said > nothing. > > Variations on this have happened before with this same kid as > the > perpetrater; only once before today this school year and 3 times > last > year. The one time something like this happened this year, he > put his > dirty napkin in my Yogurt cup (after I had finished eating the > Yogurt) > without saying anything. The first time (with the napkin,) I > realized > that this had happened as I was getting my trash together to > throw it > away. Knowing who did it, since he'd done this kind of thing > before last > year, I said, "(Insert name,) why is your napkin in my Yogurt?" > Knowing > that he had been caught, he replied, "Oh... sorry." I then > talked to the > lunch lady who is in charge of supervising all of us in the > lunchroom. > She said she would talk to him. I wasn't there when she did, > but > apparently she had, as the problem (for about a month and a > half) had been > resolved... that is, until today. > > I feel that this is a person taking advantage of my blindness > and playing > a "prank" on me knowing that I won't catch him. So, what do you > think I > should do next? Should I go to our principal? Should I talk to > him > directly? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! > Thanks, > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a > blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness > can be > reduced to a mere physical nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves > %40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/franks.jonathan13%40gmail.com > From franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com Tue Feb 7 04:05:28 2012 From: franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com (jonathan franks) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 22:05:28 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Blind Teachers In-Reply-To: <1DACBBE1A09A4C12B70A976CD462276D@osb.local> References: <1DACBBE1A09A4C12B70A976CD462276D@osb.local> Message-ID: I am looking to be a teacher of children with special needs. I am completely blind myself, I have experience with working with blind adults as well as blind children from the ages of 5-18, one challenge I have faced, is that you have to pay close attention to the children, since you cannot see what they are doing, you have to be very alert, in case they may hurt themselves or are horsing around, one suggestion is getting a teacher's aid with sight, that can help monitor the classroom while you teach. I am in college in hopes of obtaining a degree to teach children with special needs, I am only taking my basics right now, but I hope this little advice I have given can be beneficial. Take care. On 2/4/12, Robert Miller wrote: > I was wondering if there are any blind individuals teaching in public > schools across our nation. I have a blind student in high school who wants > to be a teacher. I was hoping to gain some insight from all of you about > the challenges she will face. > Thank you, > Robert > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/franks.jonathan13%40gmail.com > From franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com Tue Feb 7 04:14:23 2012 From: franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com (jonathan franks) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 22:14:23 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] iTunes In-Reply-To: <4f2d55de.025cec0a.30ea.0684@mx.google.com> References: <4f2d55de.025cec0a.30ea.0684@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I use jaws 13, so I am not sure if this will work, but hopefully it does. In order to make a playlist, you go to the file menu and go down to create new playlist, then it will give the edit field to name it, afterwards you can go to your music library and go down your list of songs, once you have found one that you want to put onto the cd, copy it ( you can hit control plus c or have it highlighted and the the applications key and go down and select copy), then you will hit control plus tab to go back to the tree view where your music library is as well as the playlist, go down the your named playlist and hit control plus v or hit the applications key and select paste. The song should be in there, you can verify that by select the playlist and hitting tab, til it takes you tot he playlist listview and the song should be in there, once you have all the songs you want in there, go back to the sources listview and select the playlist, hit the applications key and there should be an option to burn the cd. You will have to follow some steps after that, but they are simple. Hope this helps, take care. From ignasicambra at gmail.com Tue Feb 7 04:24:55 2012 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 23:24:55 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Skype Problems In-Reply-To: <817251FEED094599AEC3CD9B0B805467@stanford.edu> References: <817251FEED094599AEC3CD9B0B805467@stanford.edu> Message-ID: <-476441772870156408@unknownmsgid> For some reason I remember you having a Mac, right? If you do, Skype works way better on Mac OS X with Voiceover than on Windows. This is just my personal experience, and I haven't used Skype with JAWS in a long time so things might be a lot better now. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 6, 2012, at 8:39 PM, "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" wrote: > I just started using Skype. Whenever I close the add contact dialog, I get some message about hidden conversations. There is an okay button and a don't show this dialog check box, but neither do anything. I cannot move JAWS off of the okay button. I tried routing JAWS to PC and clicking that way, but nothing happens. Any suggestions? The only way for me to get out of it is to shut it down through the task manager, which shuts down all of Skype. > > Nicole > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Tue Feb 7 04:36:56 2012 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:36:56 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Skype Problems References: <817251FEED094599AEC3CD9B0B805467@stanford.edu> Message-ID: <667A0F097CF040FC802482FDFDC19046@stanford.edu> Yes. I have tried everything. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lea williams" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Skype Problems > Have you tried just pressing enter on the OK button? > > On 2/6/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: >> I just started using Skype. Whenever I close the add contact dialog, I >> get >> some message about hidden conversations. There is an okay button and a >> don't >> show this dialog check box, but neither do anything. I cannot move JAWS >> off >> of the okay button. I tried routing JAWS to PC and clicking that way, but >> nothing happens. Any suggestions? The only way for me to get out of it is >> to >> shut it down through the task manager, which shuts down all of Skype. >> >> Nicole >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > > Lea Williams > > Phone; > 704-732-4470 > Skipe; > Lea.williams738 > Facebook > http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 > Twitter > http://twitter.com/LeaNicole1988 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Tue Feb 7 04:39:33 2012 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:39:33 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Skype Problems References: <817251FEED094599AEC3CD9B0B805467@stanford.edu> <-476441772870156408@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <08406BBB15EF4F10A6982D4AFC05D743@stanford.edu> I have the Mac only for programming with the iPhone, which I do not do as much as I thought that I would. My primary computer is a Windows XP machine. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ignasi Cambra" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Skype Problems > For some reason I remember you having a Mac, right? If you do, Skype > works way better on Mac OS X with Voiceover than on Windows. This is > just my personal experience, and I haven't used Skype with JAWS in a > long time so things might be a lot better now. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 6, 2012, at 8:39 PM, "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" > wrote: > >> I just started using Skype. Whenever I close the add contact dialog, I >> get some message about hidden conversations. There is an okay button and >> a don't show this dialog check box, but neither do anything. I cannot >> move JAWS off of the okay button. I tried routing JAWS to PC and clicking >> that way, but nothing happens. Any suggestions? The only way for me to >> get out of it is to shut it down through the task manager, which shuts >> down all of Skype. >> >> Nicole >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com From gloria.graves at gmail.com Tue Feb 7 13:25:49 2012 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 07:25:49 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible phones from Verizon References: <4f308080.41c4e00a.2cd1.ffffd597@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi, Thanks for the infor. I just want to make sure. so it does read text messages? ----- Original Message ----- From: "jonathan franks" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible phones from Verizon > Before I got the new i phone 4s I used the samsung haven, I liked it > alot, only problems I had with it is it takes a while to connect when > making a call and sometimes it is hard to understand what the voice is > saying when reading a text. But if you are looking for a costefficient > phone that isn't a smart phone, this one is around$40, when I was with > Verizon, my upgrade got it down to $10. Good luck. > > On 2/6/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> If you want an accessible phone from Verizon without getting a >> smartphone, the Haven from Sampsung is a great option for you! If >> you would like more information, please email me off-list at >> dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com. >> >> Chris >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >> nuisance." >> -- Kenneth Jernigan >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Gloria G" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Date sent: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 15:09:28 -0600 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about IPhone through Verizon >> >> Hi, >> Can anyone give me a list of accessible phones from verizon? I >> have heard >> about the octain and the HTC ozone and the I-phone. Are there >> others besides >> these? I really didn't want a smart phone but was wondering what >> my options >> were. It is difficult trying to explain things like >> accessibility to the >> customer services people. Thanks >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Justin Young" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:56 PM >> Subject: [nabs-l] Question about IPhone through Verizon >> >> >> Hi to all! >> >> Hope you are all doing well. I recently just bought the Verizon >> Wireless Iphone 4. I was wondering how many of you have a >> similar >> phone or this phone. If you do could you please suggest ways to >> use >> it. >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> Justin >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves >> %40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >> m%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/franks.jonathan13%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com Tue Feb 7 15:16:33 2012 From: franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com (jonathan franks) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 09:16:33 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible phones from Verizon In-Reply-To: References: <4f308080.41c4e00a.2cd1.ffffd597@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Yes it does, but sometimes it is difficult to decipher, but most of the time it works well. On 2/7/12, Gloria G wrote: > Hi, > Thanks for the infor. I just want to make sure. so it does read text > messages? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jonathan franks" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:54 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible phones from Verizon > > >> Before I got the new i phone 4s I used the samsung haven, I liked it >> alot, only problems I had with it is it takes a while to connect when >> making a call and sometimes it is hard to understand what the voice is >> saying when reading a text. But if you are looking for a costefficient >> phone that isn't a smart phone, this one is around$40, when I was with >> Verizon, my upgrade got it down to $10. Good luck. >> >> On 2/6/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>> If you want an accessible phone from Verizon without getting a >>> smartphone, the Haven from Sampsung is a great option for you! If >>> you would like more information, please email me off-list at >>> dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com. >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>> nuisance." >>> -- Kenneth Jernigan >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Gloria G" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Date sent: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 15:09:28 -0600 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about IPhone through Verizon >>> >>> Hi, >>> Can anyone give me a list of accessible phones from verizon? I >>> have heard >>> about the octain and the HTC ozone and the I-phone. Are there >>> others besides >>> these? I really didn't want a smart phone but was wondering what >>> my options >>> were. It is difficult trying to explain things like >>> accessibility to the >>> customer services people. Thanks >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Justin Young" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:56 PM >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Question about IPhone through Verizon >>> >>> >>> Hi to all! >>> >>> Hope you are all doing well. I recently just bought the Verizon >>> Wireless Iphone 4. I was wondering how many of you have a >>> similar >>> phone or this phone. If you do could you please suggest ways to >>> use >>> it. >>> >>> Thanks in advance, >>> >>> Justin >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves >>> %40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >>> m%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/franks.jonathan13%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/franks.jonathan13%40gmail.com > From brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net Tue Feb 7 15:55:38 2012 From: brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net (Brian Hatgelakas) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 10:55:38 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible phones from verizon! Message-ID: <000e01cce5b0$f03d5d60$1400ba43@BRIAN> I have the LG accolade. It speaks the numbers that I am dialing and it also speaks the number that is calling me. Does anyone know if it speaks the clock feature reading the time on the phone's clock? Because I haven't figured it out yet. Thanks for any additional help. From gloria.graves at gmail.com Tue Feb 7 16:02:26 2012 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 10:02:26 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible phones from verizon! References: <000e01cce5b0$f03d5d60$1400ba43@BRIAN> Message-ID: <9DF7D25B33CC4481AF6681F5ABDBE60B@Gloria> Does this phone read text messages? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Hatgelakas" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 9:55 AM Subject: [nabs-l] accessible phones from verizon! >I have the LG accolade. It speaks the numbers that I am dialing and it also >speaks the number that is calling me. Does anyone know if it speaks the >clock feature reading the time on the phone's clock? Because I haven't >figured it out yet. Thanks for any additional help. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net Tue Feb 7 16:21:33 2012 From: brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net (Brian Hatgelakas) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 11:21:33 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Message for Gloria Message-ID: <000a01cce5b4$8efd4a20$1400ba43@BRIAN> No it doesn't! I myself want to start learning how to text. This would be a big help so I wouldn't rely on talking and leaving voice mail for people! From gloria.graves at gmail.com Tue Feb 7 16:23:27 2012 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 10:23:27 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Message for Gloria References: <000a01cce5b4$8efd4a20$1400ba43@BRIAN> Message-ID: I know the LG Octain is mostly accessible and it will read your text messages to you. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Hatgelakas" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 10:21 AM Subject: [nabs-l] Message for Gloria > No it doesn't! I myself want to start learning how to text. This would > be a big help so I wouldn't rely on talking and leaving voice mail for > people! > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com Tue Feb 7 18:22:22 2012 From: franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com (jonathan franks) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 12:22:22 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible phones from verizon! In-Reply-To: <000e01cce5b0$f03d5d60$1400ba43@BRIAN> References: <000e01cce5b0$f03d5d60$1400ba43@BRIAN> Message-ID: If it has voice commands then yes,there is a voice command button , when it says aloud please say a command , tell it to check time. I am not sure if all your phone will do this, but when you hit the voice command, use the arrow keys to go up and down the list, there will be alot more options you can choose from i.e missed calls, time and date and others. hope this helps. On 2/7/12, Brian Hatgelakas wrote: > I have the LG accolade. It speaks the numbers that I am dialing and it also > speaks the number that is calling me. Does anyone know if it speaks the > clock feature reading the time on the phone's clock? Because I haven't > figured it out yet. Thanks for any additional help. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/franks.jonathan13%40gmail.com > From dandrews at visi.com Wed Feb 8 02:44:39 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 20:44:39 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: ADV: Hadley eConnect, February 7, 2012 Confidence Seminar Message-ID: > >This newsletter is best viewed in HTML format. >header image: eConnect from The Hadley School for the Blind > > >Seminars at Hadley Presents: Confidence You Can Count On > >Date: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 > >Time: 10:00 AM CST, 16:00 GMT > >Have you ever walked into a job interview and suddenly felt >unprepared? Or stepped up to a microphone in front of a crowd of >people and panicked? Do you wish there was a "confidence button" you >could push to "turn on" feeling comfortable and sure of yourself? >Well you can, and it's already right inside of you! The challenge is >to learn how to get access to it whenever you need it. > >Join Seminars at Hadley as Jeisyn "Jason" Murphy, PhD walks you through >some simple but powerful techniques to teach you how to access those >confident states and transfer them to areas in your life where you'd >like more confidence. Blindness professionals and support group >leaders are also welcome and encouraged to attend this presentation >and discussion. >This 60 minute seminar will be moderated by Hadley's Outreach >Coordinator Shirley McCracken. A question and answer session will be >included as part of the seminar. > >Space in this seminar is limited. Please only register if you know >you are available to attend so that others are not closed out. >To >register for the "Confidence You Can Count On" seminar on February >14, follow this link. > >Next Upcoming Seminar... > >Seminars at Hadley Presents: The Slate and Stylus: Braille Media's Pen and Paper > >Date: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 > >Time: 2:00 PM CST, 20:00 GMT > >To >learn more about the "Slate and Stylus: Braille Media's Pen and >Paper" seminar on February 22 and register, follow this link. > > >New Course Announcement! >We are proud to announce the launch of "Braille Music Basics." For >those who are sighted and want to learn about transcribing print >music into braille or teaching braille music, this course offers an >introduction to the basics of braille music. This course is >offered-tuition free for students in the Family Education Program >and tuition-free for a limited time for students in the Hadley >School for Professional Studies Program. >For >more information or to register, follow this link. > > >Follow us on: > >facebook logo > >Facebook > >twitter logo > >Twitter > > > >About >Hadley >Enroll >Now >Donate >Online > >footer image: 'Lifelong Learning since 1920' The Hadley School > > > > > >This message was sent to Dandrews at visi.com from: > >The Hadley School for the Blind | 700 Elm St. | Winnetka, IL 60093 From franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com Wed Feb 8 02:58:12 2012 From: franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com (jonathan franks) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 20:58:12 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Message for Gloria In-Reply-To: <000a01cce5b4$8efd4a20$1400ba43@BRIAN> References: <000a01cce5b4$8efd4a20$1400ba43@BRIAN> Message-ID: The phone we have been talking about in the thread the samsung haven (if you have verizon as your carrier) is the easiest to use in my opinion. I have the phone 4s now, but my previous phone was the samsung haven, I would recommend it. Good luck all :D From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Wed Feb 8 21:15:15 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2012 16:15:15 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about IPhone through Verizon Message-ID: <4f32e5ec.53b0e00a.1511.26c8@mx.google.com> Hi Justin, Please see my previous post; that might help you. Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan ----- Original Message ----- From: Justin Young wrote: Hey Justin. I have the 4s. By "use it", what exactly do you mean? On 2/4/12, Justin Young wrote: Hi to all! Hope you are all doing well. I recently just bought the Verizon Wireless Iphone 4. I was wondering how many of you have a similar phone or this phone. If you do could you please suggest ways to use it. Thanks in advance, Justin _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40 gmail.com -- Sent via gmail.com Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com Skype: joshgregory93 twitter: JoshG93 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmai l.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Wed Feb 8 21:15:18 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2012 16:15:18 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school Message-ID: <4f32e5f0.53b0e00a.1511.26cc@mx.google.com> Good point. He's known to be a pain in the butt throughout the school. So, I don't think it was just me, although this was a "joke" on the "blind guy," but he's probably pulling the same pranks on others. I just hope that whatever happens to him after this incident will stop him from doing anything like this to anyone, not just me. Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan ----- Original Message ----- From: Arielle Silverman wrote: I agree about having friends watch your back. The most effective way to keep from being picked on by this particular guy again is simply to avoid him-try not to sit at his lunch table or come in contact with him in other ways. Your friends should be able to help you accomplish this. Also, if you try not to give him opportunities to tease you, and just give him as little reaction as possible when he does pull something, he should soon get bored and stop pranking you. These kinds of people thrive on attention. Confronting him about what he did will likely just egg him on. Arielle On 2/3/12, Dave Webster wrote: That's pretty bad putting your bad of pretzels in your water. Hopefully it was just one of those small individual sixed bags and not the really bit ones. I'd be sad if someone did that especially if it was a big bag of them. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nicole B. Torcolini at Home Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 5:10 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school This is not the kind of thing that you put in an IEP. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" wrote: Chris, I know what you're going through. I had a girl, put a dead frog in my shirt, as we were playing outside, (I was in elementary school, when that happened.) Go to your principal, and he/she should do something. This stuff has got to stop! If they don't do anything, go in front of the schoolboard! Blessings, Joshua On 2/1/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: Hi everyone, I had a problem at school today that I'd like to get your thoughts on as to what I should do next. Today during lunch, another kid at my table dumped his bag of pretzels into my water bottle without my knowing; he must have thought it was some kind of funny prank. Fortunately, I was sitting next to a good friend of mine, who told me about this. Even after multiple people commented negatively about what he did, he said nothing. Variations on this have happened before with this same kid as the perpetrater; only once before today this school year and 3 times last year. The one time something like this happened this year, he put his dirty napkin in my Yogurt cup (after I had finished eating the Yogurt) without saying anything. The first time (with the napkin,) I realized that this had happened as I was getting my trash together to throw it away. Knowing who did it, since he'd done this kind of thing before last year, I said, "(Insert name,) why is your napkin in my Yogurt?" Knowing that he had been caught, he replied, "Oh... sorry." I then talked to the lunch lady who is in charge of supervising all of us in the lunchroom. She said she would talk to him. I wasn't there when she did, but apparently she had, as the problem (for about a month and a half) had been resolved... that is, until today. I feel that this is a person taking advantage of my blindness and playing a "prank" on me knowing that I won't catch him. So, what do you think I should do next? Should I go to our principal? Should I talk to him directly? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17 %40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo se%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%4 0gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40 wavecable.c om _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dwebster125%4 0comcast.ne t _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g mail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Wed Feb 8 21:15:24 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2012 16:15:24 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Blind Teachers Message-ID: <4f32e5f5.53b0e00a.1511.26d2@mx.google.com> Hi Robert, I believe there's a blind educators list on our NFB-Net Web site; it's the list for the National Organization of Blind Educators (NOBE.) I would encourage you or your student to join that list and get some insight from many blind teachers across the country. I will also forward your message to a friend of mine who is a retired teacher of Latin and French in the public school system in the county I live in, and will ask if I can get your student in touch with him. Hope this helps! Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Miller" Message-ID: <1328761328.47158.YahooMailClassic@web120804.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> If you could please post this vacancy announcement, it would be greatly appreciated. Respectfully, Michael Beattie, President Visionary Personnel Visionary Personnel, a non-profit advocating for expanding employment opportunities to people with visual impairments, currently seeking applicants for four positions including: web page manager, program evaluator, research analyst, and events planner. All applicants must express strong interest in working on disability right issues, and applicants with visual impairments in particular are strongly encouraged to apply. Applicants for the web page manager should have no less than three years experience with web development and list all relavent training courses. The program evaluator applicant must have a masters or profesional degree in fields related to public administration, social science, or law. Applicants for the research analyst position should have no less than a B.A. degree related to public policy. Events planner applicants should demonstrate proven customer service and organizational skills. Resumes can be sent to beattie.visionarypersonnel at yahoo.com More information is available at visionarypersonnel.com or follow us on Twitter @blindjobs   From adrianne.dempsey at gmail.com Thu Feb 9 22:28:53 2012 From: adrianne.dempsey at gmail.com (Andi) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 17:28:53 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school In-Reply-To: <4f32e5f0.53b0e00a.1511.26cc@mx.google.com> References: <4f32e5f0.53b0e00a.1511.26cc@mx.google.com> Message-ID: The only efective way to deal with a bully is to show him or her that you will not take the crap he or she dishes out. Depending on the situation this can be done in different ways but telling the principal or teacher doesn't do anything except convey to the bully that you cant deal with it yourself. This is probably not true but that is how a bully thinks and usually doesn't give a secont thought to what athorities have to say. This attitude on the bullies part will only ensight more bullying and it will get worse. I spent most of my elementary recess on top of the swing set because most other kids could not climb up their to get me. When I didn't make it up the poles in time I was severely beaten up or had my face ground in to the dirt. That treatment started out as simple yet anoying things like you menchend with the pretsals and yogurt and escolated to violence. I diden't fight back because I was told it would go on my permanent record if I got in trouble. I told the teachers who did nothing and told the principal who did call the kids out on it but that made it worse because the bullies got mad. I tripped one of the perpetrators with my cane as he was getting off the buss once and he new I did it on perpous because I winked and smiled malistiously at him. He never hirt me again and started defending me against other bullies. It is not always that simple though and sometimes requires more confrentation. However sometimes you can avoid confrentation all together by appearing tough. I joind the wrestling team when I was in seventh grade and won a lot of matches. Word spread about the tough blind chick wrestler, and people stopped messing with me. That is people who were not on the team. My team mates were not happy about having a female on the team and tride to brake my nec with illegal moves and tripping me when we did our laps on the stairs. Their was nothing I could do except beet them up and their were to many of them for that to work so I had to endure it, when they saw I was going on with my life despite their sabotage atempts and becoming a better athleet because of it many of the main offenders quit the team by the time I reached highschool. Another bully I simply yelld at and he was so shocked the blind girl new who he was and what he was doing he stopped right then and their. There is no telling what will make a particular bully stop harassing you but two things are sertain telling on him or her will only make it worse and you just have to stand up to them in some way shape or form. If you can start with as little of confrentation nesesary to make your point, but if it doesn't work you have to escalate the comebacks. Sometimes a simple clever comment will do it but sometimes more is needed. I know the saying two rongs don't make a right and that is fine and dandy in a perfict world but it doesn't apply to the real world. Of course you shouldn't be a bully yourself but if you don't defend yourself nothing can help you. I wish some one would have told me that when I was younger it would have saved a lot of heart ake and bodily damage. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 4:15 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school Good point. He's known to be a pain in the butt throughout the school. So, I don't think it was just me, although this was a "joke" on the "blind guy," but he's probably pulling the same pranks on others. I just hope that whatever happens to him after this incident will stop him from doing anything like this to anyone, not just me. Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan ----- Original Message ----- From: Arielle Silverman wrote: I agree about having friends watch your back. The most effective way to keep from being picked on by this particular guy again is simply to avoid him-try not to sit at his lunch table or come in contact with him in other ways. Your friends should be able to help you accomplish this. Also, if you try not to give him opportunities to tease you, and just give him as little reaction as possible when he does pull something, he should soon get bored and stop pranking you. These kinds of people thrive on attention. Confronting him about what he did will likely just egg him on. Arielle On 2/3/12, Dave Webster wrote: That's pretty bad putting your bad of pretzels in your water. Hopefully it was just one of those small individual sixed bags and not the really bit ones. I'd be sad if someone did that especially if it was a big bag of them. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nicole B. Torcolini at Home Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 5:10 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school This is not the kind of thing that you put in an IEP. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" wrote: Chris, I know what you're going through. I had a girl, put a dead frog in my shirt, as we were playing outside, (I was in elementary school, when that happened.) Go to your principal, and he/she should do something. This stuff has got to stop! If they don't do anything, go in front of the schoolboard! Blessings, Joshua On 2/1/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: Hi everyone, I had a problem at school today that I'd like to get your thoughts on as to what I should do next. Today during lunch, another kid at my table dumped his bag of pretzels into my water bottle without my knowing; he must have thought it was some kind of funny prank. Fortunately, I was sitting next to a good friend of mine, who told me about this. Even after multiple people commented negatively about what he did, he said nothing. Variations on this have happened before with this same kid as the perpetrater; only once before today this school year and 3 times last year. The one time something like this happened this year, he put his dirty napkin in my Yogurt cup (after I had finished eating the Yogurt) without saying anything. The first time (with the napkin,) I realized that this had happened as I was getting my trash together to throw it away. Knowing who did it, since he'd done this kind of thing before last year, I said, "(Insert name,) why is your napkin in my Yogurt?" Knowing that he had been caught, he replied, "Oh... sorry." I then talked to the lunch lady who is in charge of supervising all of us in the lunchroom. She said she would talk to him. I wasn't there when she did, but apparently she had, as the problem (for about a month and a half) had been resolved... that is, until today. I feel that this is a person taking advantage of my blindness and playing a "prank" on me knowing that I won't catch him. So, what do you think I should do next? Should I go to our principal? Should I talk to him directly? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17 %40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo se%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%4 0gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40 wavecable.c om _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dwebster125%4 0comcast.ne t _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g mail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/adrianne.dempsey%40gmail.com From kramc11 at gmail.com Thu Feb 9 22:50:59 2012 From: kramc11 at gmail.com (Mark J. Cadigan) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 17:50:59 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school References: <4f32e5f0.53b0e00a.1511.26cc@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <102E2FF38B2D4B4E82D7E4D7EF5C84AC@cadiganpc> Hi all, I'd just like to comment on Andi's post. The times have changed since we were in middle school. Escalating to physical violence is an incredibly bad idea in today's hyper sensitive society. The teachers will only penalize you for defending yourself; this means you have to do so in more creative, non-violent, ways. This is not to say that self defense has no place, however, the best self defense is to avoid the situation all together. Another thing, remember, that you could be charged with a crime, assault, for hitting someone else, and don't think the DA won't charge someone who is blind. If you hit with anything besides bare hands, or carry or god forbid use anything that could be considered a weapon even in self defense, the charges get more serious. To all middle school and high school students reading this, remember that reporting events like the one Chris described is the best option. If you report it, and it is documented you report it, the school is liable for anything that happens due to there inaction. So, if this happens to you, tell a teacher, tell your parents, and tell the bully to stop. Also, stand buy your friends. If someone is bullying your friend, tell them to stop. If you watch your buddies back, he will watch yours. Keep safe, and watch your 6 Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andi" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 5:28 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > The only efective way to deal with a bully is to show him or her that you > will not take the crap he or she dishes out. Depending on the situation > this can be done in different ways but telling the principal or teacher > doesn't do anything except convey to the bully that you cant deal with it > yourself. This is probably not true but that is how a bully thinks and > usually doesn't give a secont thought to what athorities have to say. > This attitude on the bullies part will only ensight more bullying and it > will get worse. I spent most of my elementary recess on top of the swing > set because most other kids could not climb up their to get me. When I > didn't make it up the poles in time I was severely beaten up or had my > face ground in to the dirt. That treatment started out as simple yet > anoying things like you menchend with the pretsals and yogurt and > escolated to violence. I diden't fight back because I was told it would > go on my permanent record if I got in trouble. I told the teachers who > did nothing and told the principal who did call the kids out on it but > that made it worse because the bullies got mad. I tripped one of the > perpetrators with my cane as he was getting off the buss once and he new I > did it on perpous because I winked and smiled malistiously at him. He > never hirt me again and started defending me against other bullies. It is > not always that simple though and sometimes requires more confrentation. > However sometimes you can avoid confrentation all together by appearing > tough. I joind the wrestling team when I was in seventh grade and won a > lot of matches. Word spread about the tough blind chick wrestler, and > people stopped messing with me. That is people who were not on the team. > My team mates were not happy about having a female on the team and tride > to brake my nec with illegal moves and tripping me when we did our laps on > the stairs. Their was nothing I could do except beet them up and their > were to many of them for that to work so I had to endure it, when they saw > I was going on with my life despite their sabotage atempts and becoming a > better athleet because of it many of the main offenders quit the team by > the time I reached highschool. Another bully I simply yelld at and he was > so shocked the blind girl new who he was and what he was doing he stopped > right then and their. There is no telling what will make a particular > bully stop harassing you but two things are sertain telling on him or her > will only make it worse and you just have to stand up to them in some way > shape or form. If you can start with as little of confrentation nesesary > to make your point, but if it doesn't work you have to escalate the > comebacks. Sometimes a simple clever comment will do it but sometimes > more is needed. I know the saying two rongs don't make a right and that > is fine and dandy in a perfict world but it doesn't apply to the real > world. Of course you shouldn't be a bully yourself but if you don't > defend yourself nothing can help you. I wish some one would have told me > that when I was younger it would have saved a lot of heart ake and bodily > damage. > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 4:15 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > Good point. He's known to be a pain in the butt throughout the > school. So, I don't think it was just me, although this was a > "joke" on the "blind guy," but he's probably pulling the same > pranks on others. I just hope that whatever happens to him after > this incident will stop him from doing anything like this to > anyone, not just me. > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Arielle Silverman To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 14:34:19 -0700 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > One more thing-I don't think these kinds of things are just about > blindness. While your bully might be playing tricks on you that > take > advantage of your blindness, he might easily be playing different > kinds of jokes on other kids. He should definitely get in > trouble, but > what he's doing to you isn't necessarily worse than what he might > do > to other kids. That is, unless he's tripping you or otherwise > threatening your physical safety. If it goes from pranking you > to > harming you, you will need to get more adults involved. > Arielle > > On 2/4/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: > I agree about having friends watch your back. The most > effective way > to keep from being picked on by this particular guy again is > simply to > avoid him-try not to sit at his lunch table or come in contact > with > him in other ways. Your friends should be able to help you > accomplish > this. > Also, if you try not to give him opportunities to tease you, and > just > give him as little reaction as possible when he does pull > something, > he should soon get bored and stop pranking you. These kinds of > people > thrive on attention. Confronting him about what he did will > likely > just egg him on. > Arielle > > On 2/3/12, Dave Webster wrote: > That's pretty bad putting your bad of pretzels in your water. > Hopefully > it > was just one of those small individual sixed bags and not the > really bit > ones. I'd be sad if someone did that especially if it was a big > bag of > them. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Nicole B. Torcolini at Home > Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 5:10 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > This is not the kind of thing that you put in an IEP. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hope Paulos" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 4:48 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > > Hi Chris. I'm assuming you're in high school.. I'd go to > both your > principal and your guidance counselor. I wouldn't talk to him > directly-- > I > > think he'd get more dicipline if you had the principal talk to > him. I'd > also bring it up during your IEP/PET. > HTH > Hope and Beignet > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Beth" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:54 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > > I knew this kid, speaking of criminals who were playground and > school > bullies, who was always harassing me, got mein trouble at lunch > one day > in > > elementary school, and later went on to rape somebody and go to > jail for > it. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Desiree Oudinot To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 18:41:07 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > When I was in elementary school, I had kids stealing books from > me, > throwing erasers in my hair, pulling chairs out from under me, > you > name it, they did it. The worst part was that most times, my > teachers > were right there, and refused to do anything about it, because > they > too were uncomfortable with my blindness, so why should they > intervene? I say this because it wasn't so long ago that this > happened > to me. I grew up in the 90's, before bullying was the huge deal > it is > now, but still close enough to the events of Columbine that it > wasn't > completely unheard of either. And it was as "unacceptable" then > as it > is now. Yes, I put unacceptable in quotes, because guess what, > it > happens every day and so little of it is actually dealt with. > Meanwhile, things that are no real problem at all are resulting > in > criminal records, such as a case I heard about recently where a > boy > gave his friend a hug in school and was charged with sexual > harassment. I forget their exact ages, but they were young, > elementary > school age. And yet, kids are driven to suicide, depression, > drugs, > and every other dysfunction in the book, because they're bullied > mercilessly every day and no one will do anything about it. > Why do I say all this? I say it because I hope your school isn't > like > mine was. I hope that someone in authority actually cares. I > hope that > it doesn't escalate, because most kids have a cruel streak. I > think > it's true what they say about the impulsiveness of > adolescents--it's > human nature to be cruel, and at that age, most of us haven't > learned > how to control those impulses or aggressions, making them the > most > prone not only to selfishness and thoughtlessness, but to almost > animal rage, not to mention an inability to see beyond their own > actions to how they might be affecting others. My point is, > people > like this have to be stopped. Perhaps if something can get > through to > them while they're still young and impressionable, they might > not grow > up to be tomorrow's criminals. Or maybe they will, who knows. > But I've > seen enough to know what usually happens in these situations, > even if > it was 15 years ago; and, in saying that, I hope things have > evolved > at least a little bit since then. It makes me sick to read > messages > like this. I hope for your sake that these small actions do not > go > untouched. Right now this kid is probably testing the waters, > seeing > just how much he can get away with. If he can steal a pack of > gum, so > to speak, he may try to steal a candy bar next, then a bag of > chips, > and on and on it goes, you get the picture. > > On 2/1/12, Joshua Lester wrote: > Chris, I know what you're going through. > I had a girl, put a dead frog in my shirt, as we were playing > outside, > (I was in elementary school, when that happened.) > Go to your principal, and he/she should do something. > This stuff has got to stop! > If they don't do anything, go in front of the schoolboard! > Blessings, Joshua > > On 2/1/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I had a problem at school today that I'd like to get your > thoughts on as to what I should do next. Today during lunch, > another kid at my table dumped his bag of pretzels into my water > bottle without my knowing; he must have thought it was some kind > of funny prank. Fortunately, I was sitting next to a good > friend > of mine, who told me about this. Even after multiple people > commented negatively about what he did, he said nothing. > > Variations on this have happened before with this same kid as > the > perpetrater; only once before today this school year and 3 times > last year. The one time something like this happened this year, > he put his dirty napkin in my Yogurt cup (after I had finished > eating the Yogurt) without saying anything. The first time > (with > the napkin,) I realized that this had happened as I was getting > my trash together to throw it away. Knowing who did it, since > he'd done this kind of thing before last year, I said, "(Insert > name,) why is your napkin in my Yogurt?" Knowing that he had > been > caught, he replied, "Oh... sorry." I then talked to the lunch > lady who is in charge of supervising all of us in the lunchroom. > She said she would talk to him. I wasn't there when she did, > but > apparently she had, as the problem (for about a month and a > half) > had been resolved... that is, until today. > > I feel that this is a person taking advantage of my blindness > and > playing a "prank" on me knowing that I won't catch him. So, > what > do you think I should do next? Should I go to our principal? > Should I talk to him directly? Any suggestions would be greatly > appreciated! > Thanks, > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17 > %40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo > se%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%4 > 0gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40 > wavecable.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dwebster125%4 > 0comcast.ne > t > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g > mail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/adrianne.dempsey%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kramc11%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Feb 9 23:42:01 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 18:42:01 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school In-Reply-To: <102E2FF38B2D4B4E82D7E4D7EF5C84AC@cadiganpc> References: <4f32e5f0.53b0e00a.1511.26cc@mx.google.com> <102E2FF38B2D4B4E82D7E4D7EF5C84AC@cadiganpc> Message-ID: <8C3E5948BA2246E2AAB29840112607BB@OwnerPC> Mark, I was going to say the same; sadly, violence is violence and they do not look at the situation-- the fact you are defending yourself. So tell the faculty and administrators; you can also defend yourself but in nonviolent ways like avoiding the bully; telling him to stop; since you cannot see, get friends to tell you if he is coming. Things like that. Hope it stops -----Original Message----- From: Mark J. Cadigan Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 5:50 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school Hi all, I'd just like to comment on Andi's post. The times have changed since we were in middle school. Escalating to physical violence is an incredibly bad idea in today's hyper sensitive society. The teachers will only penalize you for defending yourself; this means you have to do so in more creative, non-violent, ways. This is not to say that self defense has no place, however, the best self defense is to avoid the situation all together. Another thing, remember, that you could be charged with a crime, assault, for hitting someone else, and don't think the DA won't charge someone who is blind. If you hit with anything besides bare hands, or carry or god forbid use anything that could be considered a weapon even in self defense, the charges get more serious. To all middle school and high school students reading this, remember that reporting events like the one Chris described is the best option. If you report it, and it is documented you report it, the school is liable for anything that happens due to there inaction. So, if this happens to you, tell a teacher, tell your parents, and tell the bully to stop. Also, stand buy your friends. If someone is bullying your friend, tell them to stop. If you watch your buddies back, he will watch yours. Keep safe, and watch your 6 Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andi" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 5:28 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > The only efective way to deal with a bully is to show him or her that you > will not take the crap he or she dishes out. Depending on the situation > this can be done in different ways but telling the principal or teacher > doesn't do anything except convey to the bully that you cant deal with it > yourself. This is probably not true but that is how a bully thinks and > usually doesn't give a secont thought to what athorities have to say. This > attitude on the bullies part will only ensight more bullying and it will > get worse. I spent most of my elementary recess on top of the swing set > because most other kids could not climb up their to get me. When I didn't > make it up the poles in time I was severely beaten up or had my face > ground in to the dirt. That treatment started out as simple yet anoying > things like you menchend with the pretsals and yogurt and escolated to > violence. I diden't fight back because I was told it would go on my > permanent record if I got in trouble. I told the teachers who did nothing > and told the principal who did call the kids out on it but that made it > worse because the bullies got mad. I tripped one of the perpetrators with > my cane as he was getting off the buss once and he new I did it on perpous > because I winked and smiled malistiously at him. He never hirt me again > and started defending me against other bullies. It is not always that > simple though and sometimes requires more confrentation. However sometimes > you can avoid confrentation all together by appearing tough. I joind the > wrestling team when I was in seventh grade and won a lot of matches. Word > spread about the tough blind chick wrestler, and people stopped messing > with me. That is people who were not on the team. My team mates were not > happy about having a female on the team and tride to brake my nec with > illegal moves and tripping me when we did our laps on the stairs. Their > was nothing I could do except beet them up and their were to many of them > for that to work so I had to endure it, when they saw I was going on with > my life despite their sabotage atempts and becoming a better athleet > because of it many of the main offenders quit the team by the time I > reached highschool. Another bully I simply yelld at and he was so shocked > the blind girl new who he was and what he was doing he stopped right then > and their. There is no telling what will make a particular bully stop > harassing you but two things are sertain telling on him or her will only > make it worse and you just have to stand up to them in some way shape or > form. If you can start with as little of confrentation nesesary to make > your point, but if it doesn't work you have to escalate the comebacks. > Sometimes a simple clever comment will do it but sometimes more is needed. > I know the saying two rongs don't make a right and that is fine and dandy > in a perfict world but it doesn't apply to the real world. Of course you > shouldn't be a bully yourself but if you don't defend yourself nothing can > help you. I wish some one would have told me that when I was younger it > would have saved a lot of heart ake and bodily damage. > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 4:15 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > Good point. He's known to be a pain in the butt throughout the > school. So, I don't think it was just me, although this was a > "joke" on the "blind guy," but he's probably pulling the same > pranks on others. I just hope that whatever happens to him after > this incident will stop him from doing anything like this to > anyone, not just me. > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Arielle Silverman To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 14:34:19 -0700 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > One more thing-I don't think these kinds of things are just about > blindness. While your bully might be playing tricks on you that > take > advantage of your blindness, he might easily be playing different > kinds of jokes on other kids. He should definitely get in > trouble, but > what he's doing to you isn't necessarily worse than what he might > do > to other kids. That is, unless he's tripping you or otherwise > threatening your physical safety. If it goes from pranking you > to > harming you, you will need to get more adults involved. > Arielle > > On 2/4/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: > I agree about having friends watch your back. The most > effective way > to keep from being picked on by this particular guy again is > simply to > avoid him-try not to sit at his lunch table or come in contact > with > him in other ways. Your friends should be able to help you > accomplish > this. > Also, if you try not to give him opportunities to tease you, and > just > give him as little reaction as possible when he does pull > something, > he should soon get bored and stop pranking you. These kinds of > people > thrive on attention. Confronting him about what he did will > likely > just egg him on. > Arielle > > On 2/3/12, Dave Webster wrote: > That's pretty bad putting your bad of pretzels in your water. > Hopefully > it > was just one of those small individual sixed bags and not the > really bit > ones. I'd be sad if someone did that especially if it was a big > bag of > them. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Nicole B. Torcolini at Home > Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 5:10 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > This is not the kind of thing that you put in an IEP. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hope Paulos" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 4:48 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > > Hi Chris. I'm assuming you're in high school.. I'd go to > both your > principal and your guidance counselor. I wouldn't talk to him > directly-- > I > > think he'd get more dicipline if you had the principal talk to > him. I'd > also bring it up during your IEP/PET. > HTH > Hope and Beignet > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Beth" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:54 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > > I knew this kid, speaking of criminals who were playground and > school > bullies, who was always harassing me, got mein trouble at lunch > one day > in > > elementary school, and later went on to rape somebody and go to > jail for > it. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Desiree Oudinot To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 18:41:07 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > When I was in elementary school, I had kids stealing books from > me, > throwing erasers in my hair, pulling chairs out from under me, > you > name it, they did it. The worst part was that most times, my > teachers > were right there, and refused to do anything about it, because > they > too were uncomfortable with my blindness, so why should they > intervene? I say this because it wasn't so long ago that this > happened > to me. I grew up in the 90's, before bullying was the huge deal > it is > now, but still close enough to the events of Columbine that it > wasn't > completely unheard of either. And it was as "unacceptable" then > as it > is now. Yes, I put unacceptable in quotes, because guess what, > it > happens every day and so little of it is actually dealt with. > Meanwhile, things that are no real problem at all are resulting > in > criminal records, such as a case I heard about recently where a > boy > gave his friend a hug in school and was charged with sexual > harassment. I forget their exact ages, but they were young, > elementary > school age. And yet, kids are driven to suicide, depression, > drugs, > and every other dysfunction in the book, because they're bullied > mercilessly every day and no one will do anything about it. > Why do I say all this? I say it because I hope your school isn't > like > mine was. I hope that someone in authority actually cares. I > hope that > it doesn't escalate, because most kids have a cruel streak. I > think > it's true what they say about the impulsiveness of > adolescents--it's > human nature to be cruel, and at that age, most of us haven't > learned > how to control those impulses or aggressions, making them the > most > prone not only to selfishness and thoughtlessness, but to almost > animal rage, not to mention an inability to see beyond their own > actions to how they might be affecting others. My point is, > people > like this have to be stopped. Perhaps if something can get > through to > them while they're still young and impressionable, they might > not grow > up to be tomorrow's criminals. Or maybe they will, who knows. > But I've > seen enough to know what usually happens in these situations, > even if > it was 15 years ago; and, in saying that, I hope things have > evolved > at least a little bit since then. It makes me sick to read > messages > like this. I hope for your sake that these small actions do not > go > untouched. Right now this kid is probably testing the waters, > seeing > just how much he can get away with. If he can steal a pack of > gum, so > to speak, he may try to steal a candy bar next, then a bag of > chips, > and on and on it goes, you get the picture. > > On 2/1/12, Joshua Lester wrote: > Chris, I know what you're going through. > I had a girl, put a dead frog in my shirt, as we were playing > outside, > (I was in elementary school, when that happened.) > Go to your principal, and he/she should do something. > This stuff has got to stop! > If they don't do anything, go in front of the schoolboard! > Blessings, Joshua > > On 2/1/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I had a problem at school today that I'd like to get your > thoughts on as to what I should do next. Today during lunch, > another kid at my table dumped his bag of pretzels into my water > bottle without my knowing; he must have thought it was some kind > of funny prank. Fortunately, I was sitting next to a good > friend > of mine, who told me about this. Even after multiple people > commented negatively about what he did, he said nothing. > > Variations on this have happened before with this same kid as > the > perpetrater; only once before today this school year and 3 times > last year. The one time something like this happened this year, > he put his dirty napkin in my Yogurt cup (after I had finished > eating the Yogurt) without saying anything. The first time > (with > the napkin,) I realized that this had happened as I was getting > my trash together to throw it away. Knowing who did it, since > he'd done this kind of thing before last year, I said, "(Insert > name,) why is your napkin in my Yogurt?" Knowing that he had > been > caught, he replied, "Oh... sorry." I then talked to the lunch > lady who is in charge of supervising all of us in the lunchroom. > She said she would talk to him. I wasn't there when she did, > but > apparently she had, as the problem (for about a month and a > half) > had been resolved... that is, until today. > > I feel that this is a person taking advantage of my blindness > and > playing a "prank" on me knowing that I won't catch him. So, > what > do you think I should do next? Should I go to our principal? > Should I talk to him directly? Any suggestions would be greatly > appreciated! > Thanks, > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. 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I don't think this is something which is effecting my right to a "free and appropriate education," and therefore wouldn't be appropriate for an IEP or to even be brought up at the IEP meeting; that is, unless it happens again and again. As I reported here last week, I have talked with my principal about this, and she has promised to take care of this. I trust that she will, so I'm letting it go for now. Also, after more recent events have happened, the pretzel incident seems like a pretty small matter. I won't go through all the details, but basically other students at my school have been falsely accusing me of cheating on tests (that is, looking at notes I take in my notetaker during tests) and being "let off the hook" on classwork when I'm really in a pullout class. These kids really need to be educated! Chris Chris Nusbaum Email and Google Talk/Keychat (on the BrailleNote) ID: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Skype: christpher.nusbaum3 or search for Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: Chris, I know what you're going through. I had a girl, put a dead frog in my shirt, as we were playing outside, (I was in elementary school, when that happened.) Go to your principal, and he/she should do something. This stuff has got to stop! If they don't do anything, go in front of the schoolboard! Blessings, Joshua On 2/1/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: Hi everyone, I had a problem at school today that I'd like to get your thoughts on as to what I should do next. Today during lunch, another kid at my table dumped his bag of pretzels into my water bottle without my knowing; he must have thought it was some kind of funny prank. Fortunately, I was sitting next to a good friend of mine, who told me about this. Even after multiple people commented negatively about what he did, he said nothing. Variations on this have happened before with this same kid as the perpetrater; only once before today this school year and 3 times last year. The one time something like this happened this year, he put his dirty napkin in my Yogurt cup (after I had finished eating the Yogurt) without saying anything. The first time (with the napkin,) I realized that this had happened as I was getting my trash together to throw it away. Knowing who did it, since he'd done this kind of thing before last year, I said, "(Insert name,) why is your napkin in my Yogurt?" Knowing that he had been caught, he replied, "Oh... sorry." I then talked to the lunch lady who is in charge of supervising all of us in the lunchroom. She said she would talk to him. I wasn't there when she did, but apparently she had, as the problem (for about a month and a half) had been resolved... that is, until today. I feel that this is a person taking advantage of my blindness and playing a "prank" on me knowing that I won't catch him. So, what do you think I should do next? Should I go to our principal? Should I talk to him directly? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. 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IF these kids are trying to tarnish your academic integrity, you need to tell the principal once again. She will have to educate the kids about blindness and academic integrity issues. This is important as you will need academic integrity in order to go on to college and university and if caught at university doing this, they will penalize you and kick you out. Every sylabus at college I saw had an Academic Integrity policy on it, and that should be said of middle school. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Nusbaum wrote: Chris, I know what you're going through. I had a girl, put a dead frog in my shirt, as we were playing outside, (I was in elementary school, when that happened.) Go to your principal, and he/she should do something. This stuff has got to stop! If they don't do anything, go in front of the schoolboard! Blessings, Joshua On 2/1/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: Hi everyone, I had a problem at school today that I'd like to get your thoughts on as to what I should do next. Today during lunch, another kid at my table dumped his bag of pretzels into my water bottle without my knowing; he must have thought it was some kind of funny prank. Fortunately, I was sitting next to a good friend of mine, who told me about this. Even after multiple people commented negatively about what he did, he said nothing. Variations on this have happened before with this same kid as the perpetrater; only once before today this school year and 3 times last year. The one time something like this happened this year, he put his dirty napkin in my Yogurt cup (after I had finished eating the Yogurt) without saying anything. The first time (with the napkin,) I realized that this had happened as I was getting my trash together to throw it away. Knowing who did it, since he'd done this kind of thing before last year, I said, "(Insert name,) why is your napkin in my Yogurt?" Knowing that he had been caught, he replied, "Oh... sorry." I then talked to the lunch lady who is in charge of supervising all of us in the lunchroom. She said she would talk to him. I wasn't there when she did, but apparently she had, as the problem (for about a month and a half) had been resolved... that is, until today. I feel that this is a person taking advantage of my blindness and playing a "prank" on me knowing that I won't catch him. So, what do you think I should do next? Should I go to our principal? Should I talk to him directly? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17 %40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo se%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%4 0gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40 wavecable.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 0earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo se%40gmail.com From kramc11 at gmail.com Fri Feb 10 01:47:54 2012 From: kramc11 at gmail.com (Mark J. Cadigan) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 20:47:54 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school References: <4f347250.c339320a.693d.04d8@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <801C318E52214707880A897A5F9887BA@cadiganpc> I agree with Beth that you should make it a matter of record that you are not in fact cheating, and both for your protection and transparency of academic integrity establish some sort of measure that in shores you are not cheating. This is for your own protection in high school, and beyond. Even a hint of the possibility that you may have cheated could jeopardize your admission to college. This being said, as a side note, to everyone else, what measures were put in place to inshore you did not cheat in school. For me in high school, it was just my word and integrity that I did not cheat. Now, in college, I take exams in the ODS proctored by one of there employees. This seems over kill, however it is for transparency of academic integrity. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > Chris, > Cheating on tests is a huge thing. IF these kids are trying to tarnish > your academic integrity, you need to tell the principal once again. She > will have to educate the kids about blindness and academic integrity > issues. This is important as you will need academic integrity in order to > go on to college and university and if caught at university doing this, > they will penalize you and kick you out. Every sylabus at college I saw > had an Academic Integrity policy on it, and that should be said of middle > school. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris Nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:18:17 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > Hi Ashley, > > I agree. I don't think this is something which is effecting my > right to a "free and appropriate education," and therefore > wouldn't be appropriate for an IEP or to even be brought up at > the IEP meeting; that is, unless it happens again and again. As > I reported here last week, I have talked with my principal about > this, and she has promised to take care of this. I trust that > she will, so I'm letting it go for now. > > Also, after more recent events have happened, the pretzel > incident seems like a pretty small matter. I won't go through > all the details, but basically other students at my school have > been falsely accusing me of cheating on tests (that is, looking > at notes I take in my notetaker during tests) and being "let off > the hook" on classwork when I'm really in a pullout class. These > kids really need to be educated! > > Chris > > Chris Nusbaum > Email and Google Talk/Keychat (on the BrailleNote) ID: > dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com > Skype: christpher.nusbaum3 or search for Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 23:30:25 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > Chris, > If it happens again and again, then bring it to the IEP team. > But if not, > I'd let it go. I mean you let the top official-- the principal > know. So I > think that is enough. Its not as if the Iep team will do > anything more; and > besides most of them such as your parents and TVI already know > about the > issues. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:07 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > You're right; it wouldn't be something to put in my IEP. But do > you think it would hurt to bring it up to the team? > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 15:09:51 -0800 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > This is not the kind of thing that you put in an IEP. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hope Paulos" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 4:48 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > > Hi Chris. I'm assuming you're in high school.. I'd go to > both your > principal and your guidance counselor. I wouldn't talk to him > directly-- I > think he'd get more dicipline if you had the principal talk to > him. I'd > also bring it up during your IEP/PET. > HTH > Hope and Beignet > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Beth" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:54 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > > I knew this kid, speaking of criminals who were playground and > school > bullies, who was always harassing me, got mein trouble at lunch > one day in > elementary school, and later went on to rape somebody and go to > jail for > it. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Desiree Oudinot To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 18:41:07 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > When I was in elementary school, I had kids stealing books from > me, > throwing erasers in my hair, pulling chairs out from under me, > you > name it, they did it. The worst part was that most times, my > teachers > were right there, and refused to do anything about it, because > they > too were uncomfortable with my blindness, so why should they > intervene? I say this because it wasn't so long ago that this > happened > to me. I grew up in the 90's, before bullying was the huge deal > it is > now, but still close enough to the events of Columbine that it > wasn't > completely unheard of either. And it was as "unacceptable" then > as it > is now. Yes, I put unacceptable in quotes, because guess what, > it > happens every day and so little of it is actually dealt with. > Meanwhile, things that are no real problem at all are resulting > in > criminal records, such as a case I heard about recently where a > boy > gave his friend a hug in school and was charged with sexual > harassment. I forget their exact ages, but they were young, > elementary > school age. And yet, kids are driven to suicide, depression, > drugs, > and every other dysfunction in the book, because they're bullied > mercilessly every day and no one will do anything about it. > Why do I say all this? I say it because I hope your school isn't > like > mine was. I hope that someone in authority actually cares. I > hope that > it doesn't escalate, because most kids have a cruel streak. I > think > it's true what they say about the impulsiveness of > adolescents--it's > human nature to be cruel, and at that age, most of us haven't > learned > how to control those impulses or aggressions, making them the > most > prone not only to selfishness and thoughtlessness, but to almost > animal rage, not to mention an inability to see beyond their own > actions to how they might be affecting others. My point is, > people > like this have to be stopped. Perhaps if something can get > through to > them while they're still young and impressionable, they might > not grow > up to be tomorrow's criminals. Or maybe they will, who knows. > But I've > seen enough to know what usually happens in these situations, > even if > it was 15 years ago; and, in saying that, I hope things have > evolved > at least a little bit since then. It makes me sick to read > messages > like this. I hope for your sake that these small actions do not > go > untouched. Right now this kid is probably testing the waters, > seeing > just how much he can get away with. If he can steal a pack of > gum, so > to speak, he may try to steal a candy bar next, then a bag of > chips, > and on and on it goes, you get the picture. > > On 2/1/12, Joshua Lester wrote: > Chris, I know what you're going through. > I had a girl, put a dead frog in my shirt, as we were playing > outside, > (I was in elementary school, when that happened.) > Go to your principal, and he/she should do something. > This stuff has got to stop! > If they don't do anything, go in front of the schoolboard! > Blessings, Joshua > > On 2/1/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I had a problem at school today that I'd like to get your > thoughts on as to what I should do next. Today during lunch, > another kid at my table dumped his bag of pretzels into my water > bottle without my knowing; he must have thought it was some kind > of funny prank. Fortunately, I was sitting next to a good > friend > of mine, who told me about this. Even after multiple people > commented negatively about what he did, he said nothing. > > Variations on this have happened before with this same kid as > the > perpetrater; only once before today this school year and 3 times > last year. The one time something like this happened this year, > he put his dirty napkin in my Yogurt cup (after I had finished > eating the Yogurt) without saying anything. The first time > (with > the napkin,) I realized that this had happened as I was getting > my trash together to throw it away. Knowing who did it, since > he'd done this kind of thing before last year, I said, "(Insert > name,) why is your napkin in my Yogurt?" Knowing that he had > been > caught, he replied, "Oh... sorry." I then talked to the lunch > lady who is in charge of supervising all of us in the lunchroom. > She said she would talk to him. I wasn't there when she did, > but > apparently she had, as the problem (for about a month and a > half) > had been resolved... that is, until today. > > I feel that this is a person taking advantage of my blindness > and > playing a "prank" on me knowing that I won't catch him. So, > what > do you think I should do next? Should I go to our principal? > Should I talk to him directly? Any suggestions would be greatly > appreciated! > Thanks, > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17 > %40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo > se%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%4 > 0gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40 > wavecable.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > 0earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo > se%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kramc11%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Feb 10 02:32:41 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 21:32:41 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school In-Reply-To: <4f347064.9448e00a.2ef0.180c@mx.google.com> References: <4f347064.9448e00a.2ef0.180c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Chris, Well, I hope he stops bullying; like you said, let it go. don't give him attention and hopefully it will pass. Sorry to hear about the student's behavior. That is immature. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 8:18 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school Hi Ashley, I agree. I don't think this is something which is effecting my right to a "free and appropriate education," and therefore wouldn't be appropriate for an IEP or to even be brought up at the IEP meeting; that is, unless it happens again and again. As I reported here last week, I have talked with my principal about this, and she has promised to take care of this. I trust that she will, so I'm letting it go for now. Also, after more recent events have happened, the pretzel incident seems like a pretty small matter. I won't go through all the details, but basically other students at my school have been falsely accusing me of cheating on tests (that is, looking at notes I take in my notetaker during tests) and being "let off the hook" on classwork when I'm really in a pullout class. These kids really need to be educated! Chris Chris Nusbaum Email and Google Talk/Keychat (on the BrailleNote) ID: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Skype: christpher.nusbaum3 or search for Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: Chris, I know what you're going through. I had a girl, put a dead frog in my shirt, as we were playing outside, (I was in elementary school, when that happened.) Go to your principal, and he/she should do something. This stuff has got to stop! If they don't do anything, go in front of the schoolboard! Blessings, Joshua On 2/1/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: Hi everyone, I had a problem at school today that I'd like to get your thoughts on as to what I should do next. Today during lunch, another kid at my table dumped his bag of pretzels into my water bottle without my knowing; he must have thought it was some kind of funny prank. Fortunately, I was sitting next to a good friend of mine, who told me about this. Even after multiple people commented negatively about what he did, he said nothing. Variations on this have happened before with this same kid as the perpetrater; only once before today this school year and 3 times last year. The one time something like this happened this year, he put his dirty napkin in my Yogurt cup (after I had finished eating the Yogurt) without saying anything. The first time (with the napkin,) I realized that this had happened as I was getting my trash together to throw it away. Knowing who did it, since he'd done this kind of thing before last year, I said, "(Insert name,) why is your napkin in my Yogurt?" Knowing that he had been caught, he replied, "Oh... sorry." I then talked to the lunch lady who is in charge of supervising all of us in the lunchroom. She said she would talk to him. I wasn't there when she did, but apparently she had, as the problem (for about a month and a half) had been resolved... that is, until today. I feel that this is a person taking advantage of my blindness and playing a "prank" on me knowing that I won't catch him. So, what do you think I should do next? Should I go to our principal? Should I talk to him directly? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17 %40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo se%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%4 0gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40 wavecable.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 0earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Feb 10 02:40:04 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 21:40:04 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school In-Reply-To: <4f347250.c339320a.693d.04d8@mx.google.com> References: <4f347250.c339320a.693d.04d8@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <64E21CADA84C4E51BEBDD9BA3CFECFEC@OwnerPC> Well, it is easy to cheat with a notetaker and I'm surprised blind students these days are let to take tests with them. When I was in middle and high school, I was not allowed to use my braille n speak on exams. That said, these students have no business accusing any one of cheating. They need to focus on their own work. If they don't have evidence of cheating, they cannot do anything about it anyway. Just say you are not cheating and go on. -----Original Message----- From: Beth Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 8:26 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school Chris, Cheating on tests is a huge thing. IF these kids are trying to tarnish your academic integrity, you need to tell the principal once again. She will have to educate the kids about blindness and academic integrity issues. This is important as you will need academic integrity in order to go on to college and university and if caught at university doing this, they will penalize you and kick you out. Every sylabus at college I saw had an Academic Integrity policy on it, and that should be said of middle school. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Nusbaum wrote: Chris, I know what you're going through. I had a girl, put a dead frog in my shirt, as we were playing outside, (I was in elementary school, when that happened.) Go to your principal, and he/she should do something. This stuff has got to stop! If they don't do anything, go in front of the schoolboard! Blessings, Joshua On 2/1/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: Hi everyone, I had a problem at school today that I'd like to get your thoughts on as to what I should do next. Today during lunch, another kid at my table dumped his bag of pretzels into my water bottle without my knowing; he must have thought it was some kind of funny prank. Fortunately, I was sitting next to a good friend of mine, who told me about this. Even after multiple people commented negatively about what he did, he said nothing. Variations on this have happened before with this same kid as the perpetrater; only once before today this school year and 3 times last year. The one time something like this happened this year, he put his dirty napkin in my Yogurt cup (after I had finished eating the Yogurt) without saying anything. The first time (with the napkin,) I realized that this had happened as I was getting my trash together to throw it away. Knowing who did it, since he'd done this kind of thing before last year, I said, "(Insert name,) why is your napkin in my Yogurt?" Knowing that he had been caught, he replied, "Oh... sorry." I then talked to the lunch lady who is in charge of supervising all of us in the lunchroom. She said she would talk to him. I wasn't there when she did, but apparently she had, as the problem (for about a month and a half) had been resolved... that is, until today. I feel that this is a person taking advantage of my blindness and playing a "prank" on me knowing that I won't catch him. So, what do you think I should do next? Should I go to our principal? Should I talk to him directly? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17 %40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo se%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%4 0gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40 wavecable.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 0earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo se%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From arielle71 at gmail.com Fri Feb 10 03:01:49 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 20:01:49 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school In-Reply-To: References: <4f347064.9448e00a.2ef0.180c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Chris, I had the same problem in middle and high school with kids teasing me about cheating because I used a Braille Lite for homework and tests. It is especially hard for blind students who get good grades, I think because other students can be envious. However, I wouldn't worry about it too much because in the end, it doesn't matter whether the kids think you are cheating or not. It only matters what your teachers think and they are probably not going to suspect you of cheating just because of what other kids say. Your teachers are allowing you to use your technology for tests and assignments so they must trust you. They also know that you are being pulled out and not just skipping class. If a teacher does worry about your integrity, there are things they can do to ensure you aren't cheating, such as pop-quizzing you orally on the material without letting you look at your Braille Note. The false claims of students aren't going to affect your permanent record, grades or anything else, so just relax and do your best to either educate the kids or just ignore them. Now, I assume when you say you are being pulled out for things like O&M, you are still expected to make up the work in the classes you're pulled out of, right? What classes are you being pulled out of? If the classes are ones like drama or music, it's probably not a big deal, but if you're regularly missing academic subjects like math or science or social studies, I think that can be a problem. You don't want to end up in a situation where you're missing lessons or where you're expected to do less work than the rest of the class because of your pull-outs. It doesn't sound like this is happening, but if it is, I would suggest you talk with your IEP team about trying to schedule your pull-outs before or after school so that you're not missing class. This will be especially important in high school. However, often high schools will allow students to take a free period so you can try to have your pull-outs during that free period if possible when you start high school. It might also be worth thinking about what your pull-outs are and if you have several, whether all of them are absolutely necessary. This is a decision you'll need to make in collaboration with your parents and teachers on your IEP team, but you are an important member of that team. Best, Arielle On 2/9/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi Chris, > Well, I hope he stops bullying; like you said, let it go. don't give him > attention and hopefully it will pass. > Sorry to hear about the student's behavior. That is immature. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 8:18 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > Hi Ashley, > > I agree. I don't think this is something which is effecting my > right to a "free and appropriate education," and therefore > wouldn't be appropriate for an IEP or to even be brought up at > the IEP meeting; that is, unless it happens again and again. As > I reported here last week, I have talked with my principal about > this, and she has promised to take care of this. I trust that > she will, so I'm letting it go for now. > > Also, after more recent events have happened, the pretzel > incident seems like a pretty small matter. I won't go through > all the details, but basically other students at my school have > been falsely accusing me of cheating on tests (that is, looking > at notes I take in my notetaker during tests) and being "let off > the hook" on classwork when I'm really in a pullout class. These > kids really need to be educated! > > Chris > > Chris Nusbaum > Email and Google Talk/Keychat (on the BrailleNote) ID: > dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com > Skype: christpher.nusbaum3 or search for Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 23:30:25 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > Chris, > If it happens again and again, then bring it to the IEP team. > But if not, > I'd let it go. I mean you let the top official-- the principal > know. So I > think that is enough. Its not as if the Iep team will do > anything more; and > besides most of them such as your parents and TVI already know > about the > issues. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:07 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > You're right; it wouldn't be something to put in my IEP. But do > you think it would hurt to bring it up to the team? > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 15:09:51 -0800 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > This is not the kind of thing that you put in an IEP. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hope Paulos" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 4:48 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > > Hi Chris. I'm assuming you're in high school.. I'd go to > both your > principal and your guidance counselor. I wouldn't talk to him > directly-- I > think he'd get more dicipline if you had the principal talk to > him. I'd > also bring it up during your IEP/PET. > HTH > Hope and Beignet > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Beth" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:54 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > > I knew this kid, speaking of criminals who were playground and > school > bullies, who was always harassing me, got mein trouble at lunch > one day in > elementary school, and later went on to rape somebody and go to > jail for > it. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Desiree Oudinot To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 18:41:07 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > When I was in elementary school, I had kids stealing books from > me, > throwing erasers in my hair, pulling chairs out from under me, > you > name it, they did it. The worst part was that most times, my > teachers > were right there, and refused to do anything about it, because > they > too were uncomfortable with my blindness, so why should they > intervene? I say this because it wasn't so long ago that this > happened > to me. I grew up in the 90's, before bullying was the huge deal > it is > now, but still close enough to the events of Columbine that it > wasn't > completely unheard of either. And it was as "unacceptable" then > as it > is now. Yes, I put unacceptable in quotes, because guess what, > it > happens every day and so little of it is actually dealt with. > Meanwhile, things that are no real problem at all are resulting > in > criminal records, such as a case I heard about recently where a > boy > gave his friend a hug in school and was charged with sexual > harassment. I forget their exact ages, but they were young, > elementary > school age. And yet, kids are driven to suicide, depression, > drugs, > and every other dysfunction in the book, because they're bullied > mercilessly every day and no one will do anything about it. > Why do I say all this? I say it because I hope your school isn't > like > mine was. I hope that someone in authority actually cares. I > hope that > it doesn't escalate, because most kids have a cruel streak. I > think > it's true what they say about the impulsiveness of > adolescents--it's > human nature to be cruel, and at that age, most of us haven't > learned > how to control those impulses or aggressions, making them the > most > prone not only to selfishness and thoughtlessness, but to almost > animal rage, not to mention an inability to see beyond their own > actions to how they might be affecting others. My point is, > people > like this have to be stopped. Perhaps if something can get > through to > them while they're still young and impressionable, they might > not grow > up to be tomorrow's criminals. Or maybe they will, who knows. > But I've > seen enough to know what usually happens in these situations, > even if > it was 15 years ago; and, in saying that, I hope things have > evolved > at least a little bit since then. It makes me sick to read > messages > like this. I hope for your sake that these small actions do not > go > untouched. Right now this kid is probably testing the waters, > seeing > just how much he can get away with. If he can steal a pack of > gum, so > to speak, he may try to steal a candy bar next, then a bag of > chips, > and on and on it goes, you get the picture. > > On 2/1/12, Joshua Lester wrote: > Chris, I know what you're going through. > I had a girl, put a dead frog in my shirt, as we were playing > outside, > (I was in elementary school, when that happened.) > Go to your principal, and he/she should do something. > This stuff has got to stop! > If they don't do anything, go in front of the schoolboard! > Blessings, Joshua > > On 2/1/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I had a problem at school today that I'd like to get your > thoughts on as to what I should do next. Today during lunch, > another kid at my table dumped his bag of pretzels into my water > bottle without my knowing; he must have thought it was some kind > of funny prank. Fortunately, I was sitting next to a good > friend > of mine, who told me about this. Even after multiple people > commented negatively about what he did, he said nothing. > > Variations on this have happened before with this same kid as > the > perpetrater; only once before today this school year and 3 times > last year. The one time something like this happened this year, > he put his dirty napkin in my Yogurt cup (after I had finished > eating the Yogurt) without saying anything. The first time > (with > the napkin,) I realized that this had happened as I was getting > my trash together to throw it away. Knowing who did it, since > he'd done this kind of thing before last year, I said, "(Insert > name,) why is your napkin in my Yogurt?" Knowing that he had > been > caught, he replied, "Oh... sorry." I then talked to the lunch > lady who is in charge of supervising all of us in the lunchroom. > She said she would talk to him. I wasn't there when she did, > but > apparently she had, as the problem (for about a month and a > half) > had been resolved... that is, until today. > > I feel that this is a person taking advantage of my blindness > and > playing a "prank" on me knowing that I won't catch him. So, > what > do you think I should do next? Should I go to our principal? > Should I talk to him directly? Any suggestions would be greatly > appreciated! > Thanks, > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17 > %40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo > se%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%4 > 0gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40 > wavecable.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > 0earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Fri Feb 10 03:14:32 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 21:14:32 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak Message-ID: Hi, it's Joshua Lester. Ashley brought back memories, on the bullying thread, by bringing up the Braille N Speak! I had one, in Elementary school, but I don't have it anymore. I was just wondering. Does anyone still have a Braille N Speak? I'm interested in owning one, just for collecting value. I'd be interested in purchasing one, if possible. Thanks, Joshua From brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net Fri Feb 10 03:26:33 2012 From: brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net (Brian Hatgelakas) Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 22:26:33 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school References: <4f32e5f0.53b0e00a.1511.26cc@mx.google.com> <102E2FF38B2D4B4E82D7E4D7EF5C84AC@cadiganpc> <8C3E5948BA2246E2AAB29840112607BB@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <000c01cce7a3$ca6ae3b0$1400ba43@BRIAN> Hi ashley how are you? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > Mark, > I was going to say the same; sadly, violence is violence and they do not > look at the situation-- the fact you are defending yourself. So tell the > faculty and administrators; you can also defend yourself but in nonviolent > ways like avoiding the bully; telling him to stop; since you cannot see, > get friends to tell you if he is coming. Things like that. > Hope it stops > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark J. Cadigan > Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 5:50 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > Hi all, > > > > I'd just like to comment on Andi's post. > > > > The times have changed since we were in middle school. Escalating to > physical violence is an incredibly bad idea in today's hyper sensitive > society. The teachers will only penalize you for defending yourself; this > means you have to do so in more creative, non-violent, ways. This is not > to > say that self defense has no place, however, the best self defense is to > avoid the situation all together. > > > > Another thing, remember, that you could be charged with a crime, assault, > for hitting someone else, and don't think the DA won't charge someone who > is > blind. If you hit with anything besides bare hands, or carry or god forbid > use anything that could be considered a weapon even in self defense, the > charges get more serious. > > > > To all middle school and high school students reading this, remember that > reporting events like the one Chris described is the best option. If you > report it, and it is documented you report it, the school is liable for > anything that happens due to there inaction. So, if this happens to you, > tell a teacher, tell your parents, and tell the bully to stop. Also, stand > buy your friends. If someone is bullying your friend, tell them to stop. > If > you watch your buddies back, he will watch yours. > > > > Keep safe, and watch your 6 > > Mark > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andi" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 5:28 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > >> The only efective way to deal with a bully is to show him or her that you >> will not take the crap he or she dishes out. Depending on the situation >> this can be done in different ways but telling the principal or teacher >> doesn't do anything except convey to the bully that you cant deal with it >> yourself. This is probably not true but that is how a bully thinks and >> usually doesn't give a secont thought to what athorities have to say. >> This attitude on the bullies part will only ensight more bullying and it >> will get worse. I spent most of my elementary recess on top of the swing >> set because most other kids could not climb up their to get me. When I >> didn't make it up the poles in time I was severely beaten up or had my >> face ground in to the dirt. That treatment started out as simple yet >> anoying things like you menchend with the pretsals and yogurt and >> escolated to violence. I diden't fight back because I was told it would >> go on my permanent record if I got in trouble. I told the teachers who >> did nothing and told the principal who did call the kids out on it but >> that made it worse because the bullies got mad. I tripped one of the >> perpetrators with my cane as he was getting off the buss once and he new >> I did it on perpous because I winked and smiled malistiously at him. He >> never hirt me again and started defending me against other bullies. It >> is not always that simple though and sometimes requires more >> confrentation. However sometimes you can avoid confrentation all together >> by appearing tough. I joind the wrestling team when I was in seventh >> grade and won a lot of matches. Word spread about the tough blind chick >> wrestler, and people stopped messing with me. That is people who were >> not on the team. My team mates were not happy about having a female on >> the team and tride to brake my nec with illegal moves and tripping me >> when we did our laps on the stairs. Their was nothing I could do except >> beet them up and their were to many of them for that to work so I had to >> endure it, when they saw I was going on with my life despite their >> sabotage atempts and becoming a better athleet because of it many of the >> main offenders quit the team by the time I reached highschool. Another >> bully I simply yelld at and he was so shocked the blind girl new who he >> was and what he was doing he stopped right then and their. There is no >> telling what will make a particular bully stop harassing you but two >> things are sertain telling on him or her will only make it worse and you >> just have to stand up to them in some way shape or form. If you can >> start with as little of confrentation nesesary to make your point, but if >> it doesn't work you have to escalate the comebacks. Sometimes a simple >> clever comment will do it but sometimes more is needed. I know the saying >> two rongs don't make a right and that is fine and dandy in a perfict >> world but it doesn't apply to the real world. Of course you shouldn't be >> a bully yourself but if you don't defend yourself nothing can help you. >> I wish some one would have told me that when I was younger it would have >> saved a lot of heart ake and bodily damage. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Chris Nusbaum >> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 4:15 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> Good point. He's known to be a pain in the butt throughout the >> school. So, I don't think it was just me, although this was a >> "joke" on the "blind guy," but he's probably pulling the same >> pranks on others. I just hope that whatever happens to him after >> this incident will stop him from doing anything like this to >> anyone, not just me. >> >> Chris >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >> nuisance." >> -- Kenneth Jernigan >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Arielle Silverman > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 14:34:19 -0700 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> One more thing-I don't think these kinds of things are just about >> blindness. While your bully might be playing tricks on you that >> take >> advantage of your blindness, he might easily be playing different >> kinds of jokes on other kids. He should definitely get in >> trouble, but >> what he's doing to you isn't necessarily worse than what he might >> do >> to other kids. That is, unless he's tripping you or otherwise >> threatening your physical safety. If it goes from pranking you >> to >> harming you, you will need to get more adults involved. >> Arielle >> >> On 2/4/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: >> I agree about having friends watch your back. The most >> effective way >> to keep from being picked on by this particular guy again is >> simply to >> avoid him-try not to sit at his lunch table or come in contact >> with >> him in other ways. Your friends should be able to help you >> accomplish >> this. >> Also, if you try not to give him opportunities to tease you, and >> just >> give him as little reaction as possible when he does pull >> something, >> he should soon get bored and stop pranking you. These kinds of >> people >> thrive on attention. Confronting him about what he did will >> likely >> just egg him on. >> Arielle >> >> On 2/3/12, Dave Webster wrote: >> That's pretty bad putting your bad of pretzels in your water. >> Hopefully >> it >> was just one of those small individual sixed bags and not the >> really bit >> ones. I'd be sad if someone did that especially if it was a big >> bag of >> them. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Nicole B. Torcolini at Home >> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 5:10 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> This is not the kind of thing that you put in an IEP. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Hope Paulos" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 4:48 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> >> Hi Chris. I'm assuming you're in high school.. I'd go to >> both your >> principal and your guidance counselor. I wouldn't talk to him >> directly-- >> I >> >> think he'd get more dicipline if you had the principal talk to >> him. I'd >> also bring it up during your IEP/PET. >> HTH >> Hope and Beignet >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Beth" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:54 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> >> I knew this kid, speaking of criminals who were playground and >> school >> bullies, who was always harassing me, got mein trouble at lunch >> one day >> in >> >> elementary school, and later went on to rape somebody and go to >> jail for >> it. >> Beth >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Desiree Oudinot > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 18:41:07 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> When I was in elementary school, I had kids stealing books from >> me, >> throwing erasers in my hair, pulling chairs out from under me, >> you >> name it, they did it. The worst part was that most times, my >> teachers >> were right there, and refused to do anything about it, because >> they >> too were uncomfortable with my blindness, so why should they >> intervene? I say this because it wasn't so long ago that this >> happened >> to me. I grew up in the 90's, before bullying was the huge deal >> it is >> now, but still close enough to the events of Columbine that it >> wasn't >> completely unheard of either. And it was as "unacceptable" then >> as it >> is now. Yes, I put unacceptable in quotes, because guess what, >> it >> happens every day and so little of it is actually dealt with. >> Meanwhile, things that are no real problem at all are resulting >> in >> criminal records, such as a case I heard about recently where a >> boy >> gave his friend a hug in school and was charged with sexual >> harassment. I forget their exact ages, but they were young, >> elementary >> school age. And yet, kids are driven to suicide, depression, >> drugs, >> and every other dysfunction in the book, because they're bullied >> mercilessly every day and no one will do anything about it. >> Why do I say all this? I say it because I hope your school isn't >> like >> mine was. I hope that someone in authority actually cares. I >> hope that >> it doesn't escalate, because most kids have a cruel streak. I >> think >> it's true what they say about the impulsiveness of >> adolescents--it's >> human nature to be cruel, and at that age, most of us haven't >> learned >> how to control those impulses or aggressions, making them the >> most >> prone not only to selfishness and thoughtlessness, but to almost >> animal rage, not to mention an inability to see beyond their own >> actions to how they might be affecting others. My point is, >> people >> like this have to be stopped. Perhaps if something can get >> through to >> them while they're still young and impressionable, they might >> not grow >> up to be tomorrow's criminals. Or maybe they will, who knows. >> But I've >> seen enough to know what usually happens in these situations, >> even if >> it was 15 years ago; and, in saying that, I hope things have >> evolved >> at least a little bit since then. It makes me sick to read >> messages >> like this. I hope for your sake that these small actions do not >> go >> untouched. Right now this kid is probably testing the waters, >> seeing >> just how much he can get away with. If he can steal a pack of >> gum, so >> to speak, he may try to steal a candy bar next, then a bag of >> chips, >> and on and on it goes, you get the picture. >> >> On 2/1/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >> Chris, I know what you're going through. >> I had a girl, put a dead frog in my shirt, as we were playing >> outside, >> (I was in elementary school, when that happened.) >> Go to your principal, and he/she should do something. >> This stuff has got to stop! >> If they don't do anything, go in front of the schoolboard! >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 2/1/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> I had a problem at school today that I'd like to get your >> thoughts on as to what I should do next. Today during lunch, >> another kid at my table dumped his bag of pretzels into my water >> bottle without my knowing; he must have thought it was some kind >> of funny prank. Fortunately, I was sitting next to a good >> friend >> of mine, who told me about this. Even after multiple people >> commented negatively about what he did, he said nothing. >> >> Variations on this have happened before with this same kid as >> the >> perpetrater; only once before today this school year and 3 times >> last year. The one time something like this happened this year, >> he put his dirty napkin in my Yogurt cup (after I had finished >> eating the Yogurt) without saying anything. The first time >> (with >> the napkin,) I realized that this had happened as I was getting >> my trash together to throw it away. Knowing who did it, since >> he'd done this kind of thing before last year, I said, "(Insert >> name,) why is your napkin in my Yogurt?" Knowing that he had >> been >> caught, he replied, "Oh... sorry." I then talked to the lunch >> lady who is in charge of supervising all of us in the lunchroom. >> She said she would talk to him. I wasn't there when she did, >> but >> apparently she had, as the problem (for about a month and a >> half) >> had been resolved... that is, until today. >> >> I feel that this is a person taking advantage of my blindness >> and >> playing a "prank" on me knowing that I won't catch him. So, >> what >> do you think I should do next? Should I go to our principal? >> Should I talk to him directly? Any suggestions would be greatly >> appreciated! >> Thanks, >> >> Chris >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >> nuisance." >> -- Kenneth Jernigan >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >> 0students.pccua.edu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17 >> %40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo >> se%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%4 >> 0gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40 >> wavecable.c >> om >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dwebster125%4 >> 0comcast.ne >> t >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g >> mail.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >> m%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/adrianne.dempsey%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kramc11%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brian.hatgelakas%40verizon.net From frandi.galindo at gmail.com Fri Feb 10 03:30:37 2012 From: frandi.galindo at gmail.com (frandi.galindo at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 22:30:37 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school In-Reply-To: <8C3E5948BA2246E2AAB29840112607BB@OwnerPC> References: <4f32e5f0.53b0e00a.1511.26cc@mx.google.com><102E2FF38B2D4B4E82D7E4D7EF5C84AC@cadiganpc> <8C3E5948BA2246E2AAB29840112607BB@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <631009D3BBC24D31B86A5594D371EFED@OwnerPC> For Those of you who hate the violence, do so, but please read the messages very carefully. Bullying has been, and will always be around, we are just hearing about it now. Why, because the news and the papers only show those that are worthy enough to be included in the news. For example, the ones where the kid who got picked on shows up at school with some kind of weapon, and vice versa. Yes violence is certainly not the answer, but sometimes that is the only way a bully will learn. For decades I am sure schools have been telling kids that the way to deal with a bully is to go and tell on them. That may be a temporary fix, but eventually the bully will retaliate. AWhat may have been a piece of food in a drink, a barrage of name calling, or the placement of a cane in another part of the school, may turn out to be something more. The bullying may increase dromatically, or it may get kicked up a bit. Who knows. But hiding behind the skirts of a grown-up won't keep you safe for the rest of your life. In the world we humans have created, we all in someway have to stand up for ourselves. Take the following situations for example: Lets say you are walking down the street minding your own business when all of the sudden a mugger stops you in your tracks and demands for your wallet and valuables. I don't think telling him to stop or hiding in every possible nook will keep you from getting your stuff stolen. In that situation you could either defend yourselve, shout out, or just simply give him or her what she or he is asking for. However, lets say you give him or her the things that he or she ask for. Now the thief could either beat the crap out of you, and run, kill you and run, or just simply run. Most likely he or she will take option C. Now you most likely wouldn't get killed by a mugger because he or she just wants to get your shit and run for his or her life. Now lets say you were at a bar or a club and some dude decided to give you a left hook because, well why else, because you were in his way. I don't think you would be like, "stop sir that hurt." That might just get you another smack. That’s when you have to stand up for yourself. If you show him or her what you are made of he or she might just stop, or that person just might come back for more. You could also inform security, and have that person thrown out. You may have gotten that person thrown out of said establishment, but he or she could be waiting for you out in the parking lot with a score to settle. Their again you might have to defend yourself. Now lets say you have just gotten to work, punched in, went to your cubical, and begun your days work. A group of co-workers have just dumped their unwanted work on you as they do every day. You see the pile and decide that you have had enough. Not only because you are falling behind on your own work, but because your are sick of getting walked on. Before you have a chance to do anything about it, your boss has just informed you about complaints she received about your mistakes you have repeatedly made. After enquiring as to what mistakes these might be, you discover that the falt is not your own, but with one of those who has dumped their work on you. This co-worker has used you as a scape goat. Enough is enough, but you obviously can't use violence to solve this problem. You still need to stand up for yourself so you refuse to do the pile of unwanted work that your other co-workers threw at you. Eventually the unwanted work stops coming because your co-workers start getting in trouble for not getting their work done. Obviously these are just examples. In one of the previous e-mails, Andi wrote about what the person should do about his bullying problems. Many of you keep on giving him the same repetative answers that schools and so called bully experts give school children, but none of you have told him to stand up. And yes he tried telling, but as you can see from the e-mails, the bullying has started up again. I am sure The person beeing bullied has tried those solutions, and now Its time he stood up for himself. I don't mean to offend anybody on this list because you all gave excelent advice, but now its time for this person who is getting bullied to grow some balls. Dude, stand up for yourself. Like Andi said " There is no telling what will make a particular bully stop > harassing you but two things are sertain telling on him or her will only > make it worse and you just have to stand up to them in some way shape or > form. If you can start with as little of confrentation nesesary to make > your point, but if it doesn't work you have to escalate the comebacks. > Sometimes a simple clever comment will do it but sometimes more is needed. > I know the saying two rongs don't make a right and that is fine and dandy > in a perfict world but it doesn't apply to the real world. Of course you > shouldn't be a bully yourself but if you don't defend yourself nothing can > help you." Andi gave some ways of defending himself that seemed violent to some of you, and she also gave some solutions that weren't at all violent. I believe before we all decide to jump down someones throat about something someone replies about, we should all read everything before deciding to reply. Remember people, you won't always be behind a grownup's skirts when you enter the real world. -----Original Message----- From: Ashley Bramlett Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 6:42 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school Mark, I was going to say the same; sadly, violence is violence and they do not look at the situation-- the fact you are defending yourself. So tell the faculty and administrators; you can also defend yourself but in nonviolent ways like avoiding the bully; telling him to stop; since you cannot see, get friends to tell you if he is coming. Things like that. Hope it stops -----Original Message----- From: Mark J. Cadigan Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 5:50 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school Hi all, I'd just like to comment on Andi's post. The times have changed since we were in middle school. Escalating to physical violence is an incredibly bad idea in today's hyper sensitive society. The teachers will only penalize you for defending yourself; this means you have to do so in more creative, non-violent, ways. This is not to say that self defense has no place, however, the best self defense is to avoid the situation all together. Another thing, remember, that you could be charged with a crime, assault, for hitting someone else, and don't think the DA won't charge someone who is blind. If you hit with anything besides bare hands, or carry or god forbid use anything that could be considered a weapon even in self defense, the charges get more serious. To all middle school and high school students reading this, remember that reporting events like the one Chris described is the best option. If you report it, and it is documented you report it, the school is liable for anything that happens due to there inaction. So, if this happens to you, tell a teacher, tell your parents, and tell the bully to stop. Also, stand buy your friends. If someone is bullying your friend, tell them to stop. If you watch your buddies back, he will watch yours. Keep safe, and watch your 6 Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andi" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 5:28 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > The only efective way to deal with a bully is to show him or her that you > will not take the crap he or she dishes out. Depending on the situation > this can be done in different ways but telling the principal or teacher > doesn't do anything except convey to the bully that you cant deal with it > yourself. This is probably not true but that is how a bully thinks and > usually doesn't give a secont thought to what athorities have to say. This > attitude on the bullies part will only ensight more bullying and it will > get worse. I spent most of my elementary recess on top of the swing set > because most other kids could not climb up their to get me. When I didn't > make it up the poles in time I was severely beaten up or had my face > ground in to the dirt. That treatment started out as simple yet anoying > things like you menchend with the pretsals and yogurt and escolated to > violence. I diden't fight back because I was told it would go on my > permanent record if I got in trouble. I told the teachers who did nothing > and told the principal who did call the kids out on it but that made it > worse because the bullies got mad. I tripped one of the perpetrators with > my cane as he was getting off the buss once and he new I did it on perpous > because I winked and smiled malistiously at him. He never hirt me again > and started defending me against other bullies. It is not always that > simple though and sometimes requires more confrentation. However sometimes > you can avoid confrentation all together by appearing tough. I joind the > wrestling team when I was in seventh grade and won a lot of matches. Word > spread about the tough blind chick wrestler, and people stopped messing > with me. That is people who were not on the team. My team mates were not > happy about having a female on the team and tride to brake my nec with > illegal moves and tripping me when we did our laps on the stairs. Their > was nothing I could do except beet them up and their were to many of them > for that to work so I had to endure it, when they saw I was going on with > my life despite their sabotage atempts and becoming a better athleet > because of it many of the main offenders quit the team by the time I > reached highschool. Another bully I simply yelld at and he was so shocked > the blind girl new who he was and what he was doing he stopped right then > and their. There is no telling what will make a particular bully stop > harassing you but two things are sertain telling on him or her will only > make it worse and you just have to stand up to them in some way shape or > form. If you can start with as little of confrentation nesesary to make > your point, but if it doesn't work you have to escalate the comebacks. > Sometimes a simple clever comment will do it but sometimes more is needed. > I know the saying two rongs don't make a right and that is fine and dandy > in a perfict world but it doesn't apply to the real world. Of course you > shouldn't be a bully yourself but if you don't defend yourself nothing can > help you. I wish some one would have told me that when I was younger it > would have saved a lot of heart ake and bodily damage. > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 4:15 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > Good point. He's known to be a pain in the butt throughout the > school. So, I don't think it was just me, although this was a > "joke" on the "blind guy," but he's probably pulling the same > pranks on others. I just hope that whatever happens to him after > this incident will stop him from doing anything like this to > anyone, not just me. > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Arielle Silverman To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 14:34:19 -0700 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > One more thing-I don't think these kinds of things are just about > blindness. While your bully might be playing tricks on you that > take > advantage of your blindness, he might easily be playing different > kinds of jokes on other kids. He should definitely get in > trouble, but > what he's doing to you isn't necessarily worse than what he might > do > to other kids. That is, unless he's tripping you or otherwise > threatening your physical safety. If it goes from pranking you > to > harming you, you will need to get more adults involved. > Arielle > > On 2/4/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: > I agree about having friends watch your back. The most > effective way > to keep from being picked on by this particular guy again is > simply to > avoid him-try not to sit at his lunch table or come in contact > with > him in other ways. Your friends should be able to help you > accomplish > this. > Also, if you try not to give him opportunities to tease you, and > just > give him as little reaction as possible when he does pull > something, > he should soon get bored and stop pranking you. These kinds of > people > thrive on attention. Confronting him about what he did will > likely > just egg him on. > Arielle > > On 2/3/12, Dave Webster wrote: > That's pretty bad putting your bad of pretzels in your water. > Hopefully > it > was just one of those small individual sixed bags and not the > really bit > ones. I'd be sad if someone did that especially if it was a big > bag of > them. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Nicole B. Torcolini at Home > Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 5:10 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > This is not the kind of thing that you put in an IEP. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hope Paulos" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 4:48 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > > Hi Chris. I'm assuming you're in high school.. I'd go to > both your > principal and your guidance counselor. I wouldn't talk to him > directly-- > I > > think he'd get more dicipline if you had the principal talk to > him. I'd > also bring it up during your IEP/PET. > HTH > Hope and Beignet > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Beth" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:54 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > > I knew this kid, speaking of criminals who were playground and > school > bullies, who was always harassing me, got mein trouble at lunch > one day > in > > elementary school, and later went on to rape somebody and go to > jail for > it. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Desiree Oudinot To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 18:41:07 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > When I was in elementary school, I had kids stealing books from > me, > throwing erasers in my hair, pulling chairs out from under me, > you > name it, they did it. The worst part was that most times, my > teachers > were right there, and refused to do anything about it, because > they > too were uncomfortable with my blindness, so why should they > intervene? I say this because it wasn't so long ago that this > happened > to me. I grew up in the 90's, before bullying was the huge deal > it is > now, but still close enough to the events of Columbine that it > wasn't > completely unheard of either. And it was as "unacceptable" then > as it > is now. Yes, I put unacceptable in quotes, because guess what, > it > happens every day and so little of it is actually dealt with. > Meanwhile, things that are no real problem at all are resulting > in > criminal records, such as a case I heard about recently where a > boy > gave his friend a hug in school and was charged with sexual > harassment. I forget their exact ages, but they were young, > elementary > school age. And yet, kids are driven to suicide, depression, > drugs, > and every other dysfunction in the book, because they're bullied > mercilessly every day and no one will do anything about it. > Why do I say all this? I say it because I hope your school isn't > like > mine was. I hope that someone in authority actually cares. I > hope that > it doesn't escalate, because most kids have a cruel streak. I > think > it's true what they say about the impulsiveness of > adolescents--it's > human nature to be cruel, and at that age, most of us haven't > learned > how to control those impulses or aggressions, making them the > most > prone not only to selfishness and thoughtlessness, but to almost > animal rage, not to mention an inability to see beyond their own > actions to how they might be affecting others. My point is, > people > like this have to be stopped. Perhaps if something can get > through to > them while they're still young and impressionable, they might > not grow > up to be tomorrow's criminals. Or maybe they will, who knows. > But I've > seen enough to know what usually happens in these situations, > even if > it was 15 years ago; and, in saying that, I hope things have > evolved > at least a little bit since then. It makes me sick to read > messages > like this. I hope for your sake that these small actions do not > go > untouched. Right now this kid is probably testing the waters, > seeing > just how much he can get away with. If he can steal a pack of > gum, so > to speak, he may try to steal a candy bar next, then a bag of > chips, > and on and on it goes, you get the picture. > > On 2/1/12, Joshua Lester wrote: > Chris, I know what you're going through. > I had a girl, put a dead frog in my shirt, as we were playing > outside, > (I was in elementary school, when that happened.) > Go to your principal, and he/she should do something. > This stuff has got to stop! > If they don't do anything, go in front of the schoolboard! > Blessings, Joshua > > On 2/1/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I had a problem at school today that I'd like to get your > thoughts on as to what I should do next. Today during lunch, > another kid at my table dumped his bag of pretzels into my water > bottle without my knowing; he must have thought it was some kind > of funny prank. Fortunately, I was sitting next to a good > friend > of mine, who told me about this. Even after multiple people > commented negatively about what he did, he said nothing. > > Variations on this have happened before with this same kid as > the > perpetrater; only once before today this school year and 3 times > last year. The one time something like this happened this year, > he put his dirty napkin in my Yogurt cup (after I had finished > eating the Yogurt) without saying anything. The first time > (with > the napkin,) I realized that this had happened as I was getting > my trash together to throw it away. Knowing who did it, since > he'd done this kind of thing before last year, I said, "(Insert > name,) why is your napkin in my Yogurt?" Knowing that he had > been > caught, he replied, "Oh... sorry." I then talked to the lunch > lady who is in charge of supervising all of us in the lunchroom. > She said she would talk to him. I wasn't there when she did, > but > apparently she had, as the problem (for about a month and a > half) > had been resolved... that is, until today. > > I feel that this is a person taking advantage of my blindness > and > playing a "prank" on me knowing that I won't catch him. So, > what > do you think I should do next? Should I go to our principal? > Should I talk to him directly? Any suggestions would be greatly > appreciated! > Thanks, > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. 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brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net Fri Feb 10 03:33:22 2012 From: brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net (Brian Hatgelakas) Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 22:33:22 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school References: <4f347250.c339320a.693d.04d8@mx.google.com> <64E21CADA84C4E51BEBDD9BA3CFECFEC@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <001d01cce7a4$bdadd280$1400ba43@BRIAN> In all of my educational career including college I used scribes to write my test answers for me while I dictated them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > Well, it is easy to cheat with a notetaker and I'm surprised blind > students these days are let to take tests with them. > When I was in middle and high school, I was not allowed to use my braille > n speak on exams. > That said, these students have no business accusing any one of cheating. > They need to focus on their own work. > If they don't have evidence of cheating, they cannot do anything about it > anyway. Just say you are not cheating and go on. > -----Original Message----- > From: Beth > Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 8:26 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > Chris, > Cheating on tests is a huge thing. IF these kids are trying to > tarnish your academic integrity, you need to tell the principal > once again. She will have to educate the kids about blindness > and academic integrity issues. This is important as you will > need academic integrity in order to go on to college and > university and if caught at university doing this, they will > penalize you and kick you out. Every sylabus at college I saw > had an Academic Integrity policy on it, and that should be said > of middle school. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris Nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list Date sent: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:18:17 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > Hi Ashley, > > I agree. I don't think this is something which is effecting my > right to a "free and appropriate education," and therefore > wouldn't be appropriate for an IEP or to even be brought up at > the IEP meeting; that is, unless it happens again and again. As > I reported here last week, I have talked with my principal about > this, and she has promised to take care of this. I trust that > she will, so I'm letting it go for now. > > Also, after more recent events have happened, the pretzel > incident seems like a pretty small matter. I won't go through > all the details, but basically other students at my school have > been falsely accusing me of cheating on tests (that is, looking > at notes I take in my notetaker during tests) and being "let off > the hook" on classwork when I'm really in a pullout class. These > kids really need to be educated! > > Chris > > Chris Nusbaum > Email and Google Talk/Keychat (on the BrailleNote) ID: > dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com > Skype: christpher.nusbaum3 or search for Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 23:30:25 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > Chris, > If it happens again and again, then bring it to the IEP team. > But if not, > I'd let it go. I mean you let the top official-- the principal > know. So I > think that is enough. Its not as if the Iep team will do > anything more; and > besides most of them such as your parents and TVI already know > about the > issues. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:07 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > You're right; it wouldn't be something to put in my IEP. But do > you think it would hurt to bring it up to the team? > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 15:09:51 -0800 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > This is not the kind of thing that you put in an IEP. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hope Paulos" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 4:48 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > > Hi Chris. I'm assuming you're in high school.. I'd go to > both your > principal and your guidance counselor. I wouldn't talk to him > directly-- I > think he'd get more dicipline if you had the principal talk to > him. I'd > also bring it up during your IEP/PET. > HTH > Hope and Beignet > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Beth" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:54 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > > I knew this kid, speaking of criminals who were playground and > school > bullies, who was always harassing me, got mein trouble at lunch > one day in > elementary school, and later went on to rape somebody and go to > jail for > it. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Desiree Oudinot To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 18:41:07 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > When I was in elementary school, I had kids stealing books from > me, > throwing erasers in my hair, pulling chairs out from under me, > you > name it, they did it. The worst part was that most times, my > teachers > were right there, and refused to do anything about it, because > they > too were uncomfortable with my blindness, so why should they > intervene? I say this because it wasn't so long ago that this > happened > to me. I grew up in the 90's, before bullying was the huge deal > it is > now, but still close enough to the events of Columbine that it > wasn't > completely unheard of either. And it was as "unacceptable" then > as it > is now. Yes, I put unacceptable in quotes, because guess what, > it > happens every day and so little of it is actually dealt with. > Meanwhile, things that are no real problem at all are resulting > in > criminal records, such as a case I heard about recently where a > boy > gave his friend a hug in school and was charged with sexual > harassment. I forget their exact ages, but they were young, > elementary > school age. And yet, kids are driven to suicide, depression, > drugs, > and every other dysfunction in the book, because they're bullied > mercilessly every day and no one will do anything about it. > Why do I say all this? I say it because I hope your school isn't > like > mine was. I hope that someone in authority actually cares. I > hope that > it doesn't escalate, because most kids have a cruel streak. I > think > it's true what they say about the impulsiveness of > adolescents--it's > human nature to be cruel, and at that age, most of us haven't > learned > how to control those impulses or aggressions, making them the > most > prone not only to selfishness and thoughtlessness, but to almost > animal rage, not to mention an inability to see beyond their own > actions to how they might be affecting others. My point is, > people > like this have to be stopped. Perhaps if something can get > through to > them while they're still young and impressionable, they might > not grow > up to be tomorrow's criminals. Or maybe they will, who knows. > But I've > seen enough to know what usually happens in these situations, > even if > it was 15 years ago; and, in saying that, I hope things have > evolved > at least a little bit since then. It makes me sick to read > messages > like this. I hope for your sake that these small actions do not > go > untouched. Right now this kid is probably testing the waters, > seeing > just how much he can get away with. If he can steal a pack of > gum, so > to speak, he may try to steal a candy bar next, then a bag of > chips, > and on and on it goes, you get the picture. > > On 2/1/12, Joshua Lester wrote: > Chris, I know what you're going through. > I had a girl, put a dead frog in my shirt, as we were playing > outside, > (I was in elementary school, when that happened.) > Go to your principal, and he/she should do something. > This stuff has got to stop! > If they don't do anything, go in front of the schoolboard! > Blessings, Joshua > > On 2/1/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I had a problem at school today that I'd like to get your > thoughts on as to what I should do next. Today during lunch, > another kid at my table dumped his bag of pretzels into my water > bottle without my knowing; he must have thought it was some kind > of funny prank. Fortunately, I was sitting next to a good > friend > of mine, who told me about this. Even after multiple people > commented negatively about what he did, he said nothing. > > Variations on this have happened before with this same kid as > the > perpetrater; only once before today this school year and 3 times > last year. The one time something like this happened this year, > he put his dirty napkin in my Yogurt cup (after I had finished > eating the Yogurt) without saying anything. The first time > (with > the napkin,) I realized that this had happened as I was getting > my trash together to throw it away. Knowing who did it, since > he'd done this kind of thing before last year, I said, "(Insert > name,) why is your napkin in my Yogurt?" Knowing that he had > been > caught, he replied, "Oh... sorry." I then talked to the lunch > lady who is in charge of supervising all of us in the lunchroom. > She said she would talk to him. I wasn't there when she did, > but > apparently she had, as the problem (for about a month and a > half) > had been resolved... that is, until today. > > I feel that this is a person taking advantage of my blindness > and > playing a "prank" on me knowing that I won't catch him. So, > what > do you think I should do next? Should I go to our principal? > Should I talk to him directly? Any suggestions would be greatly > appreciated! > Thanks, > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17 > %40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo > se%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%4 > 0gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40 > wavecable.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > 0earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo > se%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brian.hatgelakas%40verizon.net From frandi.galindo at gmail.com Fri Feb 10 03:37:20 2012 From: frandi.galindo at gmail.com (frandi.galindo at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 22:37:20 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <71A795612A4844FCA5C615D21898733E@OwnerPC> Wow, now that takes me back. Remember the classic? -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 10:14 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak Hi, it's Joshua Lester. Ashley brought back memories, on the bullying thread, by bringing up the Braille N Speak! I had one, in Elementary school, but I don't have it anymore. I was just wondering. Does anyone still have a Braille N Speak? I'm interested in owning one, just for collecting value. I'd be interested in purchasing one, if possible. Thanks, Joshua _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/frandi.galindo%40gmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Fri Feb 10 03:40:13 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 21:40:13 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak In-Reply-To: <71A795612A4844FCA5C615D21898733E@OwnerPC> References: <71A795612A4844FCA5C615D21898733E@OwnerPC> Message-ID: I had one of the first ones, ever made, (Braille N Speak.) I miss it! Blessings, Joshua On 2/9/12, frandi.galindo at gmail.com wrote: > Wow, now that takes me back. Remember the classic? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 10:14 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak > > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > Ashley brought back memories, on the bullying thread, by bringing up > the Braille N Speak! > I had one, in Elementary school, but I don't have it anymore. > I was just wondering. > Does anyone still have a Braille N Speak? > I'm interested in owning one, just for collecting value. > I'd be interested in purchasing one, if possible. > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/frandi.galindo%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From turtlepower17 at gmail.com Fri Feb 10 03:45:38 2012 From: turtlepower17 at gmail.com (Desiree Oudinot) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 22:45:38 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school In-Reply-To: <001d01cce7a4$bdadd280$1400ba43@BRIAN> References: <4f347250.c339320a.693d.04d8@mx.google.com> <64E21CADA84C4E51BEBDD9BA3CFECFEC@OwnerPC> <001d01cce7a4$bdadd280$1400ba43@BRIAN> Message-ID: Amen, Frandi. You put it a lot more elegantly than I could have. Bullies don't see what they're doing as wrong. they don't have the mental capacity to examine their own emotional issues and see where their behavior is stemming from. Perhaps they came from an abusive home, or maybe their emotional intelligence isn't that high. Their anger and disgust, which is dumped on the first available target they perceive as weak enough, is only intensified when they get in trouble for things they can't comprehend. People who are so consumed by hatred and ignorance will never understand how their actions hurt others, even if those very same actions have been projected on them because, as I said, they have neither the capacity or the willpower to examine their own inner turmoil. On 2/9/12, Brian Hatgelakas wrote: > In all of my educational career including college I used scribes to write my > test answers for me while I dictated them. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 9:40 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > >> Well, it is easy to cheat with a notetaker and I'm surprised blind >> students these days are let to take tests with them. >> When I was in middle and high school, I was not allowed to use my braille >> n speak on exams. >> That said, these students have no business accusing any one of cheating. >> They need to focus on their own work. >> If they don't have evidence of cheating, they cannot do anything about it >> anyway. Just say you are not cheating and go on. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Beth >> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 8:26 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> Chris, >> Cheating on tests is a huge thing. IF these kids are trying to >> tarnish your academic integrity, you need to tell the principal >> once again. She will have to educate the kids about blindness >> and academic integrity issues. This is important as you will >> need academic integrity in order to go on to college and >> university and if caught at university doing this, they will >> penalize you and kick you out. Every sylabus at college I saw >> had an Academic Integrity policy on it, and that should be said >> of middle school. >> Beth >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Chris Nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list> Date sent: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:18:17 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> Hi Ashley, >> >> I agree. I don't think this is something which is effecting my >> right to a "free and appropriate education," and therefore >> wouldn't be appropriate for an IEP or to even be brought up at >> the IEP meeting; that is, unless it happens again and again. As >> I reported here last week, I have talked with my principal about >> this, and she has promised to take care of this. I trust that >> she will, so I'm letting it go for now. >> >> Also, after more recent events have happened, the pretzel >> incident seems like a pretty small matter. I won't go through >> all the details, but basically other students at my school have >> been falsely accusing me of cheating on tests (that is, looking >> at notes I take in my notetaker during tests) and being "let off >> the hook" on classwork when I'm really in a pullout class. These >> kids really need to be educated! >> >> Chris >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> Email and Google Talk/Keychat (on the BrailleNote) ID: >> dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com >> Skype: christpher.nusbaum3 or search for Chris Nusbaum >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >> nuisance." >> -- Kenneth Jernigan >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Date sent: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 23:30:25 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> Chris, >> If it happens again and again, then bring it to the IEP team. >> But if not, >> I'd let it go. I mean you let the top official-- the principal >> know. So I >> think that is enough. Its not as if the Iep team will do >> anything more; and >> besides most of them such as your parents and TVI already know >> about the >> issues. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Chris Nusbaum >> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:07 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> You're right; it wouldn't be something to put in my IEP. But do >> you think it would hurt to bring it up to the team? >> >> Chris >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >> nuisance." >> -- Kenneth Jernigan >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Date sent: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 15:09:51 -0800 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> This is not the kind of thing that you put in an IEP. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Hope Paulos" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 4:48 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> >> Hi Chris. I'm assuming you're in high school.. I'd go to >> both your >> principal and your guidance counselor. I wouldn't talk to him >> directly-- I >> think he'd get more dicipline if you had the principal talk to >> him. I'd >> also bring it up during your IEP/PET. >> HTH >> Hope and Beignet >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Beth" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:54 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> >> I knew this kid, speaking of criminals who were playground and >> school >> bullies, who was always harassing me, got mein trouble at lunch >> one day in >> elementary school, and later went on to rape somebody and go to >> jail for >> it. >> Beth >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Desiree Oudinot > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 18:41:07 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> When I was in elementary school, I had kids stealing books from >> me, >> throwing erasers in my hair, pulling chairs out from under me, >> you >> name it, they did it. The worst part was that most times, my >> teachers >> were right there, and refused to do anything about it, because >> they >> too were uncomfortable with my blindness, so why should they >> intervene? I say this because it wasn't so long ago that this >> happened >> to me. I grew up in the 90's, before bullying was the huge deal >> it is >> now, but still close enough to the events of Columbine that it >> wasn't >> completely unheard of either. And it was as "unacceptable" then >> as it >> is now. Yes, I put unacceptable in quotes, because guess what, >> it >> happens every day and so little of it is actually dealt with. >> Meanwhile, things that are no real problem at all are resulting >> in >> criminal records, such as a case I heard about recently where a >> boy >> gave his friend a hug in school and was charged with sexual >> harassment. I forget their exact ages, but they were young, >> elementary >> school age. And yet, kids are driven to suicide, depression, >> drugs, >> and every other dysfunction in the book, because they're bullied >> mercilessly every day and no one will do anything about it. >> Why do I say all this? I say it because I hope your school isn't >> like >> mine was. I hope that someone in authority actually cares. I >> hope that >> it doesn't escalate, because most kids have a cruel streak. I >> think >> it's true what they say about the impulsiveness of >> adolescents--it's >> human nature to be cruel, and at that age, most of us haven't >> learned >> how to control those impulses or aggressions, making them the >> most >> prone not only to selfishness and thoughtlessness, but to almost >> animal rage, not to mention an inability to see beyond their own >> actions to how they might be affecting others. My point is, >> people >> like this have to be stopped. Perhaps if something can get >> through to >> them while they're still young and impressionable, they might >> not grow >> up to be tomorrow's criminals. Or maybe they will, who knows. >> But I've >> seen enough to know what usually happens in these situations, >> even if >> it was 15 years ago; and, in saying that, I hope things have >> evolved >> at least a little bit since then. It makes me sick to read >> messages >> like this. I hope for your sake that these small actions do not >> go >> untouched. Right now this kid is probably testing the waters, >> seeing >> just how much he can get away with. If he can steal a pack of >> gum, so >> to speak, he may try to steal a candy bar next, then a bag of >> chips, >> and on and on it goes, you get the picture. >> >> On 2/1/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >> Chris, I know what you're going through. >> I had a girl, put a dead frog in my shirt, as we were playing >> outside, >> (I was in elementary school, when that happened.) >> Go to your principal, and he/she should do something. >> This stuff has got to stop! >> If they don't do anything, go in front of the schoolboard! >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 2/1/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> I had a problem at school today that I'd like to get your >> thoughts on as to what I should do next. Today during lunch, >> another kid at my table dumped his bag of pretzels into my water >> bottle without my knowing; he must have thought it was some kind >> of funny prank. Fortunately, I was sitting next to a good >> friend >> of mine, who told me about this. Even after multiple people >> commented negatively about what he did, he said nothing. >> >> Variations on this have happened before with this same kid as >> the >> perpetrater; only once before today this school year and 3 times >> last year. The one time something like this happened this year, >> he put his dirty napkin in my Yogurt cup (after I had finished >> eating the Yogurt) without saying anything. The first time >> (with >> the napkin,) I realized that this had happened as I was getting >> my trash together to throw it away. Knowing who did it, since >> he'd done this kind of thing before last year, I said, "(Insert >> name,) why is your napkin in my Yogurt?" Knowing that he had >> been >> caught, he replied, "Oh... sorry." I then talked to the lunch >> lady who is in charge of supervising all of us in the lunchroom. >> She said she would talk to him. I wasn't there when she did, >> but >> apparently she had, as the problem (for about a month and a >> half) >> had been resolved... that is, until today. >> >> I feel that this is a person taking advantage of my blindness >> and >> playing a "prank" on me knowing that I won't catch him. So, >> what >> do you think I should do next? Should I go to our principal? >> Should I talk to him directly? Any suggestions would be greatly >> appreciated! >> Thanks, >> >> Chris >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >> nuisance." >> -- Kenneth Jernigan >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >> 0students.pccua.edu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17 >> %40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo >> se%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%4 >> 0gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40 >> wavecable.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >> m%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 >> 0earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >> m%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo >> se%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brian.hatgelakas%40verizon.net >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com > From turtlepower17 at gmail.com Fri Feb 10 03:49:11 2012 From: turtlepower17 at gmail.com (Desiree Oudinot) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 22:49:11 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak In-Reply-To: References: <71A795612A4844FCA5C615D21898733E@OwnerPC> Message-ID: I used to have a Braille Lite 40. I was never a fan of any notetaker without a Braille display. I do have the Braille Lite still, but I haven't charged it in years, so I'm sure the battery is shot. The best part of that whole series was the games you could play on them. They were much better than the text adventures that are the only options for the Braille Note. On 2/9/12, Joshua Lester wrote: > I had one of the first ones, ever made, (Braille N Speak.) > I miss it! > Blessings, Joshua > > On 2/9/12, frandi.galindo at gmail.com wrote: >> Wow, now that takes me back. Remember the classic? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joshua Lester >> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 10:14 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak >> >> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >> Ashley brought back memories, on the bullying thread, by bringing up >> the Braille N Speak! >> I had one, in Elementary school, but I don't have it anymore. >> I was just wondering. >> Does anyone still have a Braille N Speak? >> I'm interested in owning one, just for collecting value. >> I'd be interested in purchasing one, if possible. >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/frandi.galindo%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com > From kramc11 at gmail.com Fri Feb 10 04:00:04 2012 From: kramc11 at gmail.com (Mark J. Cadigan) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 23:00:04 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school References: <4f32e5f0.53b0e00a.1511.26cc@mx.google.com><102E2FF38B2D4B4E82D7E4D7EF5C84AC@cadiganpc><8C3E5948BA2246E2AAB29840112607BB@OwnerPC> <631009D3BBC24D31B86A5594D371EFED@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <7AC9C0457C564BADA528502C3F6B104B@cadiganpc> Frandi, I am by no means a pacifist, but with that being said, violence on school grounds in today’s society if the teachers decide to take notice will serve nothing but to get you a criminal record which will hurt your chances of getting into your dream college. Sometimes, bullies have to be introduced to old thunder and lightening, however, getting into a fist fight at school is about the worst thing you could do in this situation. Once out of school, or off school grounds, if backed into a corner, sometimes it is necessary to swing back either physically or metaphorically. But doing anything I repeat anything that could be construed as aggressive at school will only harm the victim more. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 10:30 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > For Those of you who hate the violence, do so, but please read the > messages very carefully. Bullying has been, and will always be around, we > are just hearing about it now. Why, because the news and the papers only > show those that are worthy enough to be included in the news. For > example, the ones where the kid who got picked on shows up at school with > some kind of weapon, and vice versa. Yes violence is certainly not the > answer, but sometimes that is the only way a bully will learn. > For decades I am sure schools have been telling kids that the way to deal > with a bully is to go and tell on them. That may be a temporary fix, but > eventually the bully will retaliate. AWhat may have been a piece of food > in a drink, a barrage of name calling, or the placement of a cane in > another part of the school, may turn out to be something more. The > bullying may increase dromatically, or it may get kicked up a bit. Who > knows. But hiding behind the skirts of a grown-up won't keep you safe for > the rest of your life. In the world we humans have created, we all in > someway have to stand up for ourselves. Take the following situations for > example: > Lets say you are walking down the street minding your own business when > all of the sudden a mugger stops you in your tracks and demands for your > wallet and valuables. I don't think telling him to stop or hiding in > every possible nook will keep you from getting your stuff stolen. In that > situation you could either defend yourselve, shout out, or just simply > give him or her what she or he is asking for. However, lets say you give > him or her the things that he or she ask for. Now the thief could either > beat the crap out of you, and run, kill you and run, or just simply run. > Most likely he or she will take option C. Now you most likely wouldn't > get killed by a mugger because he or she just wants to get your shit and > run for his or her life. > Now lets say you were at a bar or a club and some dude decided to give you > a left hook because, well why else, because you were in his way. I don't > think you would be like, "stop sir that hurt." That might just get you > another smack. That’s when you have to stand up for yourself. If you > show him or her what you are made of he or she might just stop, or that > person just might come back for more. You could also inform security, and > have that person thrown out. You may have gotten that person thrown out > of said establishment, but he or she could be waiting for you out in the > parking lot with a score to settle. Their again you might have to defend > yourself. > Now lets say you have just gotten to work, punched in, went to your > cubical, and begun your days work. A group of co-workers have just dumped > their unwanted work on you as they do every day. You see the pile and > decide that you have had enough. Not only because you are falling behind > on your own work, but because your are sick of getting walked on. Before > you have a chance to do anything about it, your boss has just informed you > about complaints she received about your mistakes you have repeatedly > made. After enquiring as to what mistakes these might be, you discover > that the falt is not your own, but with one of those who has dumped their > work on you. This co-worker has used you as a scape goat. Enough is > enough, but you obviously can't use violence to solve this problem. You > still need to stand up for yourself so you refuse to do the pile of > unwanted work that your other co-workers threw at you. Eventually the > unwanted work stops coming because your co-workers start getting in > trouble for not getting their work done. > Obviously these are just examples. In one of the previous e-mails, Andi > wrote about what the person should do about his bullying problems. Many > of you keep on giving him the same repetative answers that schools and so > called bully experts give school children, but none of you have told him > to stand up. And yes he tried telling, but as you can see from the > e-mails, the bullying has started up again. I am sure The person beeing > bullied has tried those solutions, and now Its time he stood up for > himself. > I don't mean to offend anybody on this list because you all gave excelent > advice, but now its time for this person who is getting bullied to grow > some balls. Dude, stand up for yourself. Like Andi said > " > There is no telling what will make a particular bully stop >> harassing you but two things are sertain telling on him or her will only >> make it worse and you just have to stand up to them in some way shape or >> form. If you can start with as little of confrentation nesesary to make >> your point, but if it doesn't work you have to escalate the comebacks. >> Sometimes a simple clever comment will do it but sometimes more is >> needed. I know the saying two rongs don't make a right and that is fine >> and dandy in a perfict world but it doesn't apply to the real world. Of >> course you shouldn't be a bully yourself but if you don't defend yourself >> nothing can help you." > Andi gave some ways of defending himself that seemed violent to some of > you, and she also gave some solutions that weren't at all violent. I > believe before we all decide to jump down someones throat about something > someone replies about, we should all read everything before deciding to > reply. Remember people, you won't always be behind a grownup's skirts when > you enter the real world. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ashley Bramlett > Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 6:42 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > Mark, > I was going to say the same; sadly, violence is violence and they do not > look at the situation-- the fact you are defending yourself. So tell the > faculty and administrators; you can also defend yourself but in nonviolent > ways like avoiding the bully; telling him to stop; since you cannot see, > get > friends to tell you if he is coming. Things like that. > Hope it stops > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark J. Cadigan > Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 5:50 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > Hi all, > > > > I'd just like to comment on Andi's post. > > > > The times have changed since we were in middle school. Escalating to > physical violence is an incredibly bad idea in today's hyper sensitive > society. The teachers will only penalize you for defending yourself; this > means you have to do so in more creative, non-violent, ways. This is not > to > say that self defense has no place, however, the best self defense is to > avoid the situation all together. > > > > Another thing, remember, that you could be charged with a crime, assault, > for hitting someone else, and don't think the DA won't charge someone who > is > blind. If you hit with anything besides bare hands, or carry or god forbid > use anything that could be considered a weapon even in self defense, the > charges get more serious. > > > > To all middle school and high school students reading this, remember that > reporting events like the one Chris described is the best option. If you > report it, and it is documented you report it, the school is liable for > anything that happens due to there inaction. So, if this happens to you, > tell a teacher, tell your parents, and tell the bully to stop. Also, stand > buy your friends. If someone is bullying your friend, tell them to stop. > If > you watch your buddies back, he will watch yours. > > > > Keep safe, and watch your 6 > > Mark > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andi" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 5:28 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > >> The only efective way to deal with a bully is to show him or her that you >> will not take the crap he or she dishes out. Depending on the situation >> this can be done in different ways but telling the principal or teacher >> doesn't do anything except convey to the bully that you cant deal with it >> yourself. This is probably not true but that is how a bully thinks and >> usually doesn't give a secont thought to what athorities have to say. >> This attitude on the bullies part will only ensight more bullying and it >> will get worse. I spent most of my elementary recess on top of the swing >> set because most other kids could not climb up their to get me. When I >> didn't make it up the poles in time I was severely beaten up or had my >> face ground in to the dirt. That treatment started out as simple yet >> anoying things like you menchend with the pretsals and yogurt and >> escolated to violence. I diden't fight back because I was told it would >> go on my permanent record if I got in trouble. I told the teachers who >> did nothing and told the principal who did call the kids out on it but >> that made it worse because the bullies got mad. I tripped one of the >> perpetrators with my cane as he was getting off the buss once and he new >> I did it on perpous because I winked and smiled malistiously at him. He >> never hirt me again and started defending me against other bullies. It >> is not always that simple though and sometimes requires more >> confrentation. However sometimes you can avoid confrentation all together >> by appearing tough. I joind the wrestling team when I was in seventh >> grade and won a lot of matches. Word spread about the tough blind chick >> wrestler, and people stopped messing with me. That is people who were >> not on the team. My team mates were not happy about having a female on >> the team and tride to brake my nec with illegal moves and tripping me >> when we did our laps on the stairs. Their was nothing I could do except >> beet them up and their were to many of them for that to work so I had to >> endure it, when they saw I was going on with my life despite their >> sabotage atempts and becoming a better athleet because of it many of the >> main offenders quit the team by the time I reached highschool. Another >> bully I simply yelld at and he was so shocked the blind girl new who he >> was and what he was doing he stopped right then and their. There is no >> telling what will make a particular bully stop harassing you but two >> things are sertain telling on him or her will only make it worse and you >> just have to stand up to them in some way shape or form. If you can >> start with as little of confrentation nesesary to make your point, but if >> it doesn't work you have to escalate the comebacks. Sometimes a simple >> clever comment will do it but sometimes more is needed. I know the saying >> two rongs don't make a right and that is fine and dandy in a perfict >> world but it doesn't apply to the real world. Of course you shouldn't be >> a bully yourself but if you don't defend yourself nothing can help you. >> I wish some one would have told me that when I was younger it would have >> saved a lot of heart ake and bodily damage. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Chris Nusbaum >> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 4:15 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> Good point. He's known to be a pain in the butt throughout the >> school. So, I don't think it was just me, although this was a >> "joke" on the "blind guy," but he's probably pulling the same >> pranks on others. I just hope that whatever happens to him after >> this incident will stop him from doing anything like this to >> anyone, not just me. >> >> Chris >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >> nuisance." >> -- Kenneth Jernigan >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Arielle Silverman > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 14:34:19 -0700 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> One more thing-I don't think these kinds of things are just about >> blindness. While your bully might be playing tricks on you that >> take >> advantage of your blindness, he might easily be playing different >> kinds of jokes on other kids. He should definitely get in >> trouble, but >> what he's doing to you isn't necessarily worse than what he might >> do >> to other kids. That is, unless he's tripping you or otherwise >> threatening your physical safety. If it goes from pranking you >> to >> harming you, you will need to get more adults involved. >> Arielle >> >> On 2/4/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: >> I agree about having friends watch your back. The most >> effective way >> to keep from being picked on by this particular guy again is >> simply to >> avoid him-try not to sit at his lunch table or come in contact >> with >> him in other ways. Your friends should be able to help you >> accomplish >> this. >> Also, if you try not to give him opportunities to tease you, and >> just >> give him as little reaction as possible when he does pull >> something, >> he should soon get bored and stop pranking you. These kinds of >> people >> thrive on attention. Confronting him about what he did will >> likely >> just egg him on. >> Arielle >> >> On 2/3/12, Dave Webster wrote: >> That's pretty bad putting your bad of pretzels in your water. >> Hopefully >> it >> was just one of those small individual sixed bags and not the >> really bit >> ones. I'd be sad if someone did that especially if it was a big >> bag of >> them. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Nicole B. Torcolini at Home >> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 5:10 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> This is not the kind of thing that you put in an IEP. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Hope Paulos" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 4:48 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> >> Hi Chris. I'm assuming you're in high school.. I'd go to >> both your >> principal and your guidance counselor. I wouldn't talk to him >> directly-- >> I >> >> think he'd get more dicipline if you had the principal talk to >> him. I'd >> also bring it up during your IEP/PET. >> HTH >> Hope and Beignet >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Beth" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:54 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> >> I knew this kid, speaking of criminals who were playground and >> school >> bullies, who was always harassing me, got mein trouble at lunch >> one day >> in >> >> elementary school, and later went on to rape somebody and go to >> jail for >> it. >> Beth >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Desiree Oudinot > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 18:41:07 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> When I was in elementary school, I had kids stealing books from >> me, >> throwing erasers in my hair, pulling chairs out from under me, >> you >> name it, they did it. The worst part was that most times, my >> teachers >> were right there, and refused to do anything about it, because >> they >> too were uncomfortable with my blindness, so why should they >> intervene? I say this because it wasn't so long ago that this >> happened >> to me. I grew up in the 90's, before bullying was the huge deal >> it is >> now, but still close enough to the events of Columbine that it >> wasn't >> completely unheard of either. And it was as "unacceptable" then >> as it >> is now. Yes, I put unacceptable in quotes, because guess what, >> it >> happens every day and so little of it is actually dealt with. >> Meanwhile, things that are no real problem at all are resulting >> in >> criminal records, such as a case I heard about recently where a >> boy >> gave his friend a hug in school and was charged with sexual >> harassment. I forget their exact ages, but they were young, >> elementary >> school age. And yet, kids are driven to suicide, depression, >> drugs, >> and every other dysfunction in the book, because they're bullied >> mercilessly every day and no one will do anything about it. >> Why do I say all this? I say it because I hope your school isn't >> like >> mine was. I hope that someone in authority actually cares. I >> hope that >> it doesn't escalate, because most kids have a cruel streak. I >> think >> it's true what they say about the impulsiveness of >> adolescents--it's >> human nature to be cruel, and at that age, most of us haven't >> learned >> how to control those impulses or aggressions, making them the >> most >> prone not only to selfishness and thoughtlessness, but to almost >> animal rage, not to mention an inability to see beyond their own >> actions to how they might be affecting others. My point is, >> people >> like this have to be stopped. Perhaps if something can get >> through to >> them while they're still young and impressionable, they might >> not grow >> up to be tomorrow's criminals. Or maybe they will, who knows. >> But I've >> seen enough to know what usually happens in these situations, >> even if >> it was 15 years ago; and, in saying that, I hope things have >> evolved >> at least a little bit since then. It makes me sick to read >> messages >> like this. I hope for your sake that these small actions do not >> go >> untouched. Right now this kid is probably testing the waters, >> seeing >> just how much he can get away with. If he can steal a pack of >> gum, so >> to speak, he may try to steal a candy bar next, then a bag of >> chips, >> and on and on it goes, you get the picture. >> >> On 2/1/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >> Chris, I know what you're going through. >> I had a girl, put a dead frog in my shirt, as we were playing >> outside, >> (I was in elementary school, when that happened.) >> Go to your principal, and he/she should do something. >> This stuff has got to stop! >> If they don't do anything, go in front of the schoolboard! >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 2/1/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> I had a problem at school today that I'd like to get your >> thoughts on as to what I should do next. Today during lunch, >> another kid at my table dumped his bag of pretzels into my water >> bottle without my knowing; he must have thought it was some kind >> of funny prank. Fortunately, I was sitting next to a good >> friend >> of mine, who told me about this. Even after multiple people >> commented negatively about what he did, he said nothing. >> >> Variations on this have happened before with this same kid as >> the >> perpetrater; only once before today this school year and 3 times >> last year. The one time something like this happened this year, >> he put his dirty napkin in my Yogurt cup (after I had finished >> eating the Yogurt) without saying anything. The first time >> (with >> the napkin,) I realized that this had happened as I was getting >> my trash together to throw it away. Knowing who did it, since >> he'd done this kind of thing before last year, I said, "(Insert >> name,) why is your napkin in my Yogurt?" Knowing that he had >> been >> caught, he replied, "Oh... sorry." I then talked to the lunch >> lady who is in charge of supervising all of us in the lunchroom. >> She said she would talk to him. I wasn't there when she did, >> but >> apparently she had, as the problem (for about a month and a >> half) >> had been resolved... that is, until today. >> >> I feel that this is a person taking advantage of my blindness >> and >> playing a "prank" on me knowing that I won't catch him. So, >> what >> do you think I should do next? Should I go to our principal? >> Should I talk to him directly? Any suggestions would be greatly >> appreciated! >> Thanks, >> >> Chris >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. 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http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/frandi.galindo%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kramc11%40gmail.com > From frandi.galindo at gmail.com Fri Feb 10 04:04:05 2012 From: frandi.galindo at gmail.com (frandi.galindo at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 23:04:05 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak In-Reply-To: References: <71A795612A4844FCA5C615D21898733E@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <654DC424073C4A17A62388A47B0CD110@OwnerPC> Yeah, the games were great, and the fact that you could create your own, and make them do what you want was also one of the reat parts of that. -----Original Message----- From: Desiree Oudinot Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 10:49 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak I used to have a Braille Lite 40. I was never a fan of any notetaker without a Braille display. I do have the Braille Lite still, but I haven't charged it in years, so I'm sure the battery is shot. The best part of that whole series was the games you could play on them. They were much better than the text adventures that are the only options for the Braille Note. On 2/9/12, Joshua Lester wrote: > I had one of the first ones, ever made, (Braille N Speak.) > I miss it! > Blessings, Joshua > > On 2/9/12, frandi.galindo at gmail.com wrote: >> Wow, now that takes me back. Remember the classic? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joshua Lester >> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 10:14 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak >> >> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >> Ashley brought back memories, on the bullying thread, by bringing up >> the Braille N Speak! >> I had one, in Elementary school, but I don't have it anymore. >> I was just wondering. >> Does anyone still have a Braille N Speak? >> I'm interested in owning one, just for collecting value. >> I'd be interested in purchasing one, if possible. >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/frandi.galindo%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/frandi.galindo%40gmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Fri Feb 10 04:29:43 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 22:29:43 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak In-Reply-To: <654DC424073C4A17A62388A47B0CD110@OwnerPC> References: <71A795612A4844FCA5C615D21898733E@OwnerPC> <654DC424073C4A17A62388A47B0CD110@OwnerPC> Message-ID: How did we get from the Braille N Speak, to the Braille Note? Were they made by the same people? Thanks, Joshua On 2/9/12, frandi.galindo at gmail.com wrote: > Yeah, the games were great, and the fact that you could create your own, and > make them do what you want was also one of the reat parts of that. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Desiree Oudinot > Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 10:49 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak > > I used to have a Braille Lite 40. I was never a fan of any notetaker > without a Braille display. I do have the Braille Lite still, but I > haven't charged it in years, so I'm sure the battery is shot. > The best part of that whole series was the games you could play on > them. They were much better than the text adventures that are the only > options for the Braille Note. > > On 2/9/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >> I had one of the first ones, ever made, (Braille N Speak.) >> I miss it! >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 2/9/12, frandi.galindo at gmail.com wrote: >>> Wow, now that takes me back. Remember the classic? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Joshua Lester >>> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 10:14 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak >>> >>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>> Ashley brought back memories, on the bullying thread, by bringing up >>> the Braille N Speak! >>> I had one, in Elementary school, but I don't have it anymore. >>> I was just wondering. >>> Does anyone still have a Braille N Speak? >>> I'm interested in owning one, just for collecting value. >>> I'd be interested in purchasing one, if possible. >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/frandi.galindo%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/frandi.galindo%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Fri Feb 10 05:51:32 2012 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 21:51:32 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS High School Committee Membership call Message-ID: From the NABS High School Committee- please spread the word to any and all high schoolers! To all High School Students Do you find it difficult to enjoy and socialize at school dances because of all of the noise? Do you want to learn how you can participate fully in the school dance experience, from getting ready to socializing? Join the high school committee as we discuss ways that we can enjoy dances and similar events as much as our sighted peers. When: Sunday, February 12, 2012 at 6:00 Eastern Call: 712-775-7100 Pass code: 257963 -- Darian Smith "To dream what is possible and to put oneself in service of that dream is the formula for a life well lived." - Dr. Peter Benson From ignasicambra at gmail.com Fri Feb 10 06:03:57 2012 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ignasi_Cambra_D=EDaz?=) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 01:03:57 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <87A04886-9AD2-466D-8F1B-6EF99B982B97@gmail.com> I have mine, but the firmware is in Spanish and the battery might have died. I would have to try turning it on! On Feb 9, 2012, at 10:14 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > Ashley brought back memories, on the bullying thread, by bringing up > the Braille N Speak! > I had one, in Elementary school, but I don't have it anymore. > I was just wondering. > Does anyone still have a Braille N Speak? > I'm interested in owning one, just for collecting value. > I'd be interested in purchasing one, if possible. > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Fri Feb 10 06:08:49 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 00:08:49 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak In-Reply-To: <87A04886-9AD2-466D-8F1B-6EF99B982B97@gmail.com> References: <87A04886-9AD2-466D-8F1B-6EF99B982B97@gmail.com> Message-ID: Wow! The battery died, so my former Braille instructor threw it away. Blessings, Joshua On 2/10/12, Ignasi Cambra Díaz wrote: > I have mine, but the firmware is in Spanish and the battery might have died. > I would have to try turning it on! > On Feb 9, 2012, at 10:14 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > >> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >> Ashley brought back memories, on the bullying thread, by bringing up >> the Braille N Speak! >> I had one, in Elementary school, but I don't have it anymore. >> I was just wondering. >> Does anyone still have a Braille N Speak? >> I'm interested in owning one, just for collecting value. >> I'd be interested in purchasing one, if possible. >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From ignasicambra at gmail.com Fri Feb 10 06:08:59 2012 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ignasi_Cambra_D=EDaz?=) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 01:08:59 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak In-Reply-To: <71A795612A4844FCA5C615D21898733E@OwnerPC> References: <71A795612A4844FCA5C615D21898733E@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <5AF68DB4-5861-41D1-9367-0F619CF8D15F@gmail.com> I had the 2000. It was pretty good at the time! I remember we bought it straight from the US because buying it in Spain took lots of time. They even sent it to me with both Spanish and French languages, but the truth is that no matter what it spoke it always had this thick english accent. On Feb 9, 2012, at 10:37 PM, wrote: > Wow, now that takes me back. Remember the classic? > > -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 10:14 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak > > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > Ashley brought back memories, on the bullying thread, by bringing up > the Braille N Speak! > I had one, in Elementary school, but I don't have it anymore. > I was just wondering. > Does anyone still have a Braille N Speak? > I'm interested in owning one, just for collecting value. > I'd be interested in purchasing one, if possible. > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/frandi.galindo%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From ignasicambra at gmail.com Fri Feb 10 06:10:23 2012 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ignasi_Cambra_D=EDaz?=) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 01:10:23 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak In-Reply-To: References: <71A795612A4844FCA5C615D21898733E@OwnerPC> <654DC424073C4A17A62388A47B0CD110@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <6413F468-B61D-4119-9FC2-9C16FE1E81A5@gmail.com> I don't think so… Right? On Feb 9, 2012, at 11:29 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > How did we get from the Braille N Speak, to the Braille Note? > Were they made by the same people? > Thanks, Joshua > > On 2/9/12, frandi.galindo at gmail.com wrote: >> Yeah, the games were great, and the fact that you could create your own, and >> make them do what you want was also one of the reat parts of that. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Desiree Oudinot >> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 10:49 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak >> >> I used to have a Braille Lite 40. I was never a fan of any notetaker >> without a Braille display. I do have the Braille Lite still, but I >> haven't charged it in years, so I'm sure the battery is shot. >> The best part of that whole series was the games you could play on >> them. They were much better than the text adventures that are the only >> options for the Braille Note. >> >> On 2/9/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> I had one of the first ones, ever made, (Braille N Speak.) >>> I miss it! >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 2/9/12, frandi.galindo at gmail.com wrote: >>>> Wow, now that takes me back. Remember the classic? >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 10:14 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak >>>> >>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>> Ashley brought back memories, on the bullying thread, by bringing up >>>> the Braille N Speak! >>>> I had one, in Elementary school, but I don't have it anymore. >>>> I was just wondering. >>>> Does anyone still have a Braille N Speak? >>>> I'm interested in owning one, just for collecting value. >>>> I'd be interested in purchasing one, if possible. >>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/frandi.galindo%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/frandi.galindo%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From ignasicambra at gmail.com Fri Feb 10 06:11:00 2012 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ignasi_Cambra_D=EDaz?=) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 01:11:00 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak In-Reply-To: References: <87A04886-9AD2-466D-8F1B-6EF99B982B97@gmail.com> Message-ID: Well, you can actually send it in for them to change the battery. Well at least back then you could do that anyways... On Feb 10, 2012, at 1:08 AM, Joshua Lester wrote: > Wow! > The battery died, so my former Braille instructor threw it away. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 2/10/12, Ignasi Cambra Díaz wrote: >> I have mine, but the firmware is in Spanish and the battery might have died. >> I would have to try turning it on! >> On Feb 9, 2012, at 10:14 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: >> >>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>> Ashley brought back memories, on the bullying thread, by bringing up >>> the Braille N Speak! >>> I had one, in Elementary school, but I don't have it anymore. >>> I was just wondering. >>> Does anyone still have a Braille N Speak? >>> I'm interested in owning one, just for collecting value. >>> I'd be interested in purchasing one, if possible. >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From ignasicambra at gmail.com Fri Feb 10 06:14:50 2012 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ignasi_Cambra_D=EDaz?=) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 01:14:50 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school In-Reply-To: <4f347250.c339320a.693d.04d8@mx.google.com> References: <4f347250.c339320a.693d.04d8@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <8C6899A5-B9E2-448A-9411-1C2CA6673E55@gmail.com> I can see why they might think that you are cheating. The Braille Note does not have a screen, and you are the only one who knows what's going on in there while taking a test. For uninformed students, you might really be looking at your notes. I'm sure you aren't doing that, and maybe they even found a way to make sure you aren't doing it. The thing is that some people would really love to do that... On Feb 9, 2012, at 8:26 PM, Beth wrote: > Chris, > Cheating on tests is a huge thing. IF these kids are trying to tarnish your academic integrity, you need to tell the principal once again. She will have to educate the kids about blindness and academic integrity issues. This is important as you will need academic integrity in order to go on to college and university and if caught at university doing this, they will penalize you and kick you out. Every sylabus at college I saw had an Academic Integrity policy on it, and that should be said of middle school. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris Nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:18:17 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > Hi Ashley, > > I agree. I don't think this is something which is effecting my > right to a "free and appropriate education," and therefore > wouldn't be appropriate for an IEP or to even be brought up at > the IEP meeting; that is, unless it happens again and again. As > I reported here last week, I have talked with my principal about > this, and she has promised to take care of this. I trust that > she will, so I'm letting it go for now. > > Also, after more recent events have happened, the pretzel > incident seems like a pretty small matter. I won't go through > all the details, but basically other students at my school have > been falsely accusing me of cheating on tests (that is, looking > at notes I take in my notetaker during tests) and being "let off > the hook" on classwork when I'm really in a pullout class. These > kids really need to be educated! > > Chris > > Chris Nusbaum > Email and Google Talk/Keychat (on the BrailleNote) ID: > dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com > Skype: christpher.nusbaum3 or search for Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 23:30:25 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > Chris, > If it happens again and again, then bring it to the IEP team. > But if not, > I'd let it go. I mean you let the top official-- the principal > know. So I > think that is enough. Its not as if the Iep team will do > anything more; and > besides most of them such as your parents and TVI already know > about the > issues. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:07 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > You're right; it wouldn't be something to put in my IEP. But do > you think it would hurt to bring it up to the team? > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 15:09:51 -0800 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > This is not the kind of thing that you put in an IEP. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hope Paulos" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 4:48 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > > Hi Chris. I'm assuming you're in high school.. I'd go to > both your > principal and your guidance counselor. I wouldn't talk to him > directly-- I > think he'd get more dicipline if you had the principal talk to > him. I'd > also bring it up during your IEP/PET. > HTH > Hope and Beignet > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Beth" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:54 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > > I knew this kid, speaking of criminals who were playground and > school > bullies, who was always harassing me, got mein trouble at lunch > one day in > elementary school, and later went on to rape somebody and go to > jail for > it. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Desiree Oudinot To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 18:41:07 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > When I was in elementary school, I had kids stealing books from > me, > throwing erasers in my hair, pulling chairs out from under me, > you > name it, they did it. The worst part was that most times, my > teachers > were right there, and refused to do anything about it, because > they > too were uncomfortable with my blindness, so why should they > intervene? I say this because it wasn't so long ago that this > happened > to me. I grew up in the 90's, before bullying was the huge deal > it is > now, but still close enough to the events of Columbine that it > wasn't > completely unheard of either. And it was as "unacceptable" then > as it > is now. Yes, I put unacceptable in quotes, because guess what, > it > happens every day and so little of it is actually dealt with. > Meanwhile, things that are no real problem at all are resulting > in > criminal records, such as a case I heard about recently where a > boy > gave his friend a hug in school and was charged with sexual > harassment. I forget their exact ages, but they were young, > elementary > school age. And yet, kids are driven to suicide, depression, > drugs, > and every other dysfunction in the book, because they're bullied > mercilessly every day and no one will do anything about it. > Why do I say all this? I say it because I hope your school isn't > like > mine was. I hope that someone in authority actually cares. I > hope that > it doesn't escalate, because most kids have a cruel streak. I > think > it's true what they say about the impulsiveness of > adolescents--it's > human nature to be cruel, and at that age, most of us haven't > learned > how to control those impulses or aggressions, making them the > most > prone not only to selfishness and thoughtlessness, but to almost > animal rage, not to mention an inability to see beyond their own > actions to how they might be affecting others. My point is, > people > like this have to be stopped. Perhaps if something can get > through to > them while they're still young and impressionable, they might > not grow > up to be tomorrow's criminals. Or maybe they will, who knows. > But I've > seen enough to know what usually happens in these situations, > even if > it was 15 years ago; and, in saying that, I hope things have > evolved > at least a little bit since then. It makes me sick to read > messages > like this. I hope for your sake that these small actions do not > go > untouched. Right now this kid is probably testing the waters, > seeing > just how much he can get away with. If he can steal a pack of > gum, so > to speak, he may try to steal a candy bar next, then a bag of > chips, > and on and on it goes, you get the picture. > > On 2/1/12, Joshua Lester wrote: > Chris, I know what you're going through. > I had a girl, put a dead frog in my shirt, as we were playing > outside, > (I was in elementary school, when that happened.) > Go to your principal, and he/she should do something. > This stuff has got to stop! > If they don't do anything, go in front of the schoolboard! > Blessings, Joshua > > On 2/1/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I had a problem at school today that I'd like to get your > thoughts on as to what I should do next. Today during lunch, > another kid at my table dumped his bag of pretzels into my water > bottle without my knowing; he must have thought it was some kind > of funny prank. Fortunately, I was sitting next to a good > friend > of mine, who told me about this. Even after multiple people > commented negatively about what he did, he said nothing. > > Variations on this have happened before with this same kid as > the > perpetrater; only once before today this school year and 3 times > last year. The one time something like this happened this year, > he put his dirty napkin in my Yogurt cup (after I had finished > eating the Yogurt) without saying anything. The first time > (with > the napkin,) I realized that this had happened as I was getting > my trash together to throw it away. Knowing who did it, since > he'd done this kind of thing before last year, I said, "(Insert > name,) why is your napkin in my Yogurt?" Knowing that he had > been > caught, he replied, "Oh... sorry." I then talked to the lunch > lady who is in charge of supervising all of us in the lunchroom. > She said she would talk to him. I wasn't there when she did, > but > apparently she had, as the problem (for about a month and a > half) > had been resolved... that is, until today. > > I feel that this is a person taking advantage of my blindness > and > playing a "prank" on me knowing that I won't catch him. So, > what > do you think I should do next? Should I go to our principal? > Should I talk to him directly? Any suggestions would be greatly > appreciated! > Thanks, > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17 > %40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo > se%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%4 > 0gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40 > wavecable.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > 0earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo > se%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Fri Feb 10 06:32:06 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 00:32:06 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak In-Reply-To: <6413F468-B61D-4119-9FC2-9C16FE1E81A5@gmail.com> References: <71A795612A4844FCA5C615D21898733E@OwnerPC> <654DC424073C4A17A62388A47B0CD110@OwnerPC> <6413F468-B61D-4119-9FC2-9C16FE1E81A5@gmail.com> Message-ID: Since people are talking about the Braille Note, I'll say something about the one I experimented with. The BN has too many compartments, that I'm not used to. I'm a Pac Mate fan! Blessings, Joshua On 2/10/12, Ignasi Cambra Díaz wrote: > I don't think so… Right? > On Feb 9, 2012, at 11:29 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > >> How did we get from the Braille N Speak, to the Braille Note? >> Were they made by the same people? >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> On 2/9/12, frandi.galindo at gmail.com wrote: >>> Yeah, the games were great, and the fact that you could create your own, >>> and >>> make them do what you want was also one of the reat parts of that. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Desiree Oudinot >>> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 10:49 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak >>> >>> I used to have a Braille Lite 40. I was never a fan of any notetaker >>> without a Braille display. I do have the Braille Lite still, but I >>> haven't charged it in years, so I'm sure the battery is shot. >>> The best part of that whole series was the games you could play on >>> them. They were much better than the text adventures that are the only >>> options for the Braille Note. >>> >>> On 2/9/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>> I had one of the first ones, ever made, (Braille N Speak.) >>>> I miss it! >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>> >>>> On 2/9/12, frandi.galindo at gmail.com wrote: >>>>> Wow, now that takes me back. Remember the classic? >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 10:14 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak >>>>> >>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>>> Ashley brought back memories, on the bullying thread, by bringing up >>>>> the Braille N Speak! >>>>> I had one, in Elementary school, but I don't have it anymore. >>>>> I was just wondering. >>>>> Does anyone still have a Braille N Speak? >>>>> I'm interested in owning one, just for collecting value. >>>>> I'd be interested in purchasing one, if possible. >>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/frandi.galindo%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/frandi.galindo%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Fri Feb 10 06:52:41 2012 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 22:52:41 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school References: <4f347250.c339320a.693d.04d8@mx.google.com> <64E21CADA84C4E51BEBDD9BA3CFECFEC@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Actually, I think that there is a problem if you cannot be trusted to not cheat when using a notetaker on a test. If people cannot trust you with something like that, they probably cannot trust you with other things. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 6:40 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > Well, it is easy to cheat with a notetaker and I'm surprised blind > students these days are let to take tests with them. > When I was in middle and high school, I was not allowed to use my braille > n speak on exams. > That said, these students have no business accusing any one of cheating. > They need to focus on their own work. > If they don't have evidence of cheating, they cannot do anything about it > anyway. Just say you are not cheating and go on. > -----Original Message----- > From: Beth > Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 8:26 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > Chris, > Cheating on tests is a huge thing. IF these kids are trying to > tarnish your academic integrity, you need to tell the principal > once again. She will have to educate the kids about blindness > and academic integrity issues. This is important as you will > need academic integrity in order to go on to college and > university and if caught at university doing this, they will > penalize you and kick you out. Every sylabus at college I saw > had an Academic Integrity policy on it, and that should be said > of middle school. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris Nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list Date sent: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:18:17 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > Hi Ashley, > > I agree. I don't think this is something which is effecting my > right to a "free and appropriate education," and therefore > wouldn't be appropriate for an IEP or to even be brought up at > the IEP meeting; that is, unless it happens again and again. As > I reported here last week, I have talked with my principal about > this, and she has promised to take care of this. I trust that > she will, so I'm letting it go for now. > > Also, after more recent events have happened, the pretzel > incident seems like a pretty small matter. I won't go through > all the details, but basically other students at my school have > been falsely accusing me of cheating on tests (that is, looking > at notes I take in my notetaker during tests) and being "let off > the hook" on classwork when I'm really in a pullout class. These > kids really need to be educated! > > Chris > > Chris Nusbaum > Email and Google Talk/Keychat (on the BrailleNote) ID: > dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com > Skype: christpher.nusbaum3 or search for Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 23:30:25 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > Chris, > If it happens again and again, then bring it to the IEP team. > But if not, > I'd let it go. I mean you let the top official-- the principal > know. So I > think that is enough. Its not as if the Iep team will do > anything more; and > besides most of them such as your parents and TVI already know > about the > issues. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:07 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > You're right; it wouldn't be something to put in my IEP. But do > you think it would hurt to bring it up to the team? > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 15:09:51 -0800 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > This is not the kind of thing that you put in an IEP. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hope Paulos" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 4:48 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > > Hi Chris. I'm assuming you're in high school.. I'd go to > both your > principal and your guidance counselor. I wouldn't talk to him > directly-- I > think he'd get more dicipline if you had the principal talk to > him. I'd > also bring it up during your IEP/PET. > HTH > Hope and Beignet > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Beth" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:54 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > > I knew this kid, speaking of criminals who were playground and > school > bullies, who was always harassing me, got mein trouble at lunch > one day in > elementary school, and later went on to rape somebody and go to > jail for > it. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Desiree Oudinot To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 18:41:07 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > When I was in elementary school, I had kids stealing books from > me, > throwing erasers in my hair, pulling chairs out from under me, > you > name it, they did it. The worst part was that most times, my > teachers > were right there, and refused to do anything about it, because > they > too were uncomfortable with my blindness, so why should they > intervene? I say this because it wasn't so long ago that this > happened > to me. I grew up in the 90's, before bullying was the huge deal > it is > now, but still close enough to the events of Columbine that it > wasn't > completely unheard of either. And it was as "unacceptable" then > as it > is now. Yes, I put unacceptable in quotes, because guess what, > it > happens every day and so little of it is actually dealt with. > Meanwhile, things that are no real problem at all are resulting > in > criminal records, such as a case I heard about recently where a > boy > gave his friend a hug in school and was charged with sexual > harassment. I forget their exact ages, but they were young, > elementary > school age. And yet, kids are driven to suicide, depression, > drugs, > and every other dysfunction in the book, because they're bullied > mercilessly every day and no one will do anything about it. > Why do I say all this? I say it because I hope your school isn't > like > mine was. I hope that someone in authority actually cares. I > hope that > it doesn't escalate, because most kids have a cruel streak. I > think > it's true what they say about the impulsiveness of > adolescents--it's > human nature to be cruel, and at that age, most of us haven't > learned > how to control those impulses or aggressions, making them the > most > prone not only to selfishness and thoughtlessness, but to almost > animal rage, not to mention an inability to see beyond their own > actions to how they might be affecting others. My point is, > people > like this have to be stopped. Perhaps if something can get > through to > them while they're still young and impressionable, they might > not grow > up to be tomorrow's criminals. Or maybe they will, who knows. > But I've > seen enough to know what usually happens in these situations, > even if > it was 15 years ago; and, in saying that, I hope things have > evolved > at least a little bit since then. It makes me sick to read > messages > like this. I hope for your sake that these small actions do not > go > untouched. Right now this kid is probably testing the waters, > seeing > just how much he can get away with. If he can steal a pack of > gum, so > to speak, he may try to steal a candy bar next, then a bag of > chips, > and on and on it goes, you get the picture. > > On 2/1/12, Joshua Lester wrote: > Chris, I know what you're going through. > I had a girl, put a dead frog in my shirt, as we were playing > outside, > (I was in elementary school, when that happened.) > Go to your principal, and he/she should do something. > This stuff has got to stop! > If they don't do anything, go in front of the schoolboard! > Blessings, Joshua > > On 2/1/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I had a problem at school today that I'd like to get your > thoughts on as to what I should do next. Today during lunch, > another kid at my table dumped his bag of pretzels into my water > bottle without my knowing; he must have thought it was some kind > of funny prank. Fortunately, I was sitting next to a good > friend > of mine, who told me about this. Even after multiple people > commented negatively about what he did, he said nothing. > > Variations on this have happened before with this same kid as > the > perpetrater; only once before today this school year and 3 times > last year. The one time something like this happened this year, > he put his dirty napkin in my Yogurt cup (after I had finished > eating the Yogurt) without saying anything. The first time > (with > the napkin,) I realized that this had happened as I was getting > my trash together to throw it away. Knowing who did it, since > he'd done this kind of thing before last year, I said, "(Insert > name,) why is your napkin in my Yogurt?" Knowing that he had > been > caught, he replied, "Oh... sorry." I then talked to the lunch > lady who is in charge of supervising all of us in the lunchroom. > She said she would talk to him. I wasn't there when she did, > but > apparently she had, as the problem (for about a month and a > half) > had been resolved... that is, until today. > > I feel that this is a person taking advantage of my blindness > and > playing a "prank" on me knowing that I won't catch him. So, > what > do you think I should do next? Should I go to our principal? > Should I talk to him directly? Any suggestions would be greatly > appreciated! > Thanks, > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17 > %40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo > se%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%4 > 0gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40 > wavecable.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > 0earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo > se%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Fri Feb 10 06:57:37 2012 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 22:57:37 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak References: <71A795612A4844FCA5C615D21898733E@OwnerPC> Message-ID: I had a Braille Lite several years ago. Almost everything is better on the BrailleNote, but I miss the games, too. I miss Bongo. Did you ever play that one? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Desiree Oudinot" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak >I used to have a Braille Lite 40. I was never a fan of any notetaker > without a Braille display. I do have the Braille Lite still, but I > haven't charged it in years, so I'm sure the battery is shot. > The best part of that whole series was the games you could play on > them. They were much better than the text adventures that are the only > options for the Braille Note. > > On 2/9/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >> I had one of the first ones, ever made, (Braille N Speak.) >> I miss it! >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 2/9/12, frandi.galindo at gmail.com wrote: >>> Wow, now that takes me back. Remember the classic? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Joshua Lester >>> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 10:14 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak >>> >>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>> Ashley brought back memories, on the bullying thread, by bringing up >>> the Braille N Speak! >>> I had one, in Elementary school, but I don't have it anymore. >>> I was just wondering. >>> Does anyone still have a Braille N Speak? >>> I'm interested in owning one, just for collecting value. >>> I'd be interested in purchasing one, if possible. >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/frandi.galindo%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Fri Feb 10 06:58:30 2012 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 22:58:30 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak References: <71A795612A4844FCA5C615D21898733E@OwnerPC><654DC424073C4A17A62388A47B0CD110@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <3D0BAC2D5CD74B9AB6EEF20FFC01FE5F@stanford.edu> No, just point of comparison. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak > How did we get from the Braille N Speak, to the Braille Note? > Were they made by the same people? > Thanks, Joshua > > On 2/9/12, frandi.galindo at gmail.com wrote: >> Yeah, the games were great, and the fact that you could create your own, >> and >> make them do what you want was also one of the reat parts of that. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Desiree Oudinot >> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 10:49 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak >> >> I used to have a Braille Lite 40. I was never a fan of any notetaker >> without a Braille display. I do have the Braille Lite still, but I >> haven't charged it in years, so I'm sure the battery is shot. >> The best part of that whole series was the games you could play on >> them. They were much better than the text adventures that are the only >> options for the Braille Note. >> >> On 2/9/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> I had one of the first ones, ever made, (Braille N Speak.) >>> I miss it! >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 2/9/12, frandi.galindo at gmail.com wrote: >>>> Wow, now that takes me back. Remember the classic? >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 10:14 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak >>>> >>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>> Ashley brought back memories, on the bullying thread, by bringing up >>>> the Braille N Speak! >>>> I had one, in Elementary school, but I don't have it anymore. >>>> I was just wondering. >>>> Does anyone still have a Braille N Speak? >>>> I'm interested in owning one, just for collecting value. >>>> I'd be interested in purchasing one, if possible. >>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/frandi.galindo%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/frandi.galindo%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Fri Feb 10 06:59:38 2012 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 22:59:38 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak References: <71A795612A4844FCA5C615D21898733E@OwnerPC> <5AF68DB4-5861-41D1-9367-0F619CF8D15F@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5FD43DF5F732430B843E8AFBB9104996@stanford.edu> Hahaha. Okay, maybe that is not funny, but I always find trying to make fake voices sound right amusing. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ignasi Cambra Díaz" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 10:08 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak >I had the 2000. It was pretty good at the time! I remember we bought it >straight from the US because buying it in Spain took lots of time. They >even sent it to me with both Spanish and French languages, but the truth is >that no matter what it spoke it always had this thick english accent. > On Feb 9, 2012, at 10:37 PM, > wrote: > >> Wow, now that takes me back. Remember the classic? >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester >> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 10:14 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak >> >> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >> Ashley brought back memories, on the bullying thread, by bringing up >> the Braille N Speak! >> I had one, in Elementary school, but I don't have it anymore. >> I was just wondering. >> Does anyone still have a Braille N Speak? >> I'm interested in owning one, just for collecting value. >> I'd be interested in purchasing one, if possible. >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/frandi.galindo%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com From turtlepower17 at gmail.com Fri Feb 10 07:09:46 2012 From: turtlepower17 at gmail.com (Desiree Oudinot) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 02:09:46 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school In-Reply-To: References: <4f347250.c339320a.693d.04d8@mx.google.com> <64E21CADA84C4E51BEBDD9BA3CFECFEC@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hi Mark, Hmmm, so you're saying that the bullys violence is acceptable then? Maybe the old adage "an eye for an eye" isn't politically correct anymore, but let me tell you something, giving the bully the freedom to do and say whatever they want isn't the way to solve it either. As I said, there are hopeless cases in society. There are psychopaths who will never feel remorse for their actions, and this dysfunction often first appears in adolescence. Just the same, there are probably kids who feel pressure to be cool, and they think the way to be cool is to bully others, and will probably look back later in life and regret what they've done in their high school days. However, this distinction really isn't on the victim's mind while they're being bullied. That person is feeling trapped, helpless, and, in the worst cases, completely unsupported and alone, knowing no one will defend them or even take them seriously if they take the standard route and tell someone. I was one of those people. Without going too far into it, I'll just say that when I was growing up, no one gave a damn what was happening to me. The teachers were often in the same room while the bullies were doing whatever they felt like doing to me. They didn't want anything to do with a blind kid; they were forever trying to get out of accomodating me. My parents alternated between telling me to suck it up, it would build character, and my academic achievment was all that mattered, and all the rest, well, I should just ignore it. Sometimes they got angry and threatened to sue the school, but it never came to fruition; and most times, they constantly put me down for the depression that resulted from being completely isolated without a stable support system. Finally I went to a school for the blind for the duration of my high school years when I snapped and couldn't take the abuse anymore. That actually turned out to be much worse than public school ever could have been, and that's saying something. What I'm saying is, some of us are highly offended by your flippant remarks about how the bully gets a slap on the wrist and those of us who suffered without a single helping hand along the way should just remain silent. It's extremely ignorant and presumptious of you to say that people who get bullied obviously deserve it. On 2/10/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: > Actually, I think that there is a problem if you cannot be trusted to not > cheat when using a notetaker on a test. If people cannot trust you with > something like that, they probably cannot trust you with other things. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 6:40 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > >> Well, it is easy to cheat with a notetaker and I'm surprised blind >> students these days are let to take tests with them. >> When I was in middle and high school, I was not allowed to use my braille >> n speak on exams. >> That said, these students have no business accusing any one of cheating. >> They need to focus on their own work. >> If they don't have evidence of cheating, they cannot do anything about it >> anyway. Just say you are not cheating and go on. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Beth >> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 8:26 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> Chris, >> Cheating on tests is a huge thing. IF these kids are trying to >> tarnish your academic integrity, you need to tell the principal >> once again. She will have to educate the kids about blindness >> and academic integrity issues. This is important as you will >> need academic integrity in order to go on to college and >> university and if caught at university doing this, they will >> penalize you and kick you out. Every sylabus at college I saw >> had an Academic Integrity policy on it, and that should be said >> of middle school. >> Beth >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Chris Nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list> Date sent: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:18:17 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> Hi Ashley, >> >> I agree. I don't think this is something which is effecting my >> right to a "free and appropriate education," and therefore >> wouldn't be appropriate for an IEP or to even be brought up at >> the IEP meeting; that is, unless it happens again and again. As >> I reported here last week, I have talked with my principal about >> this, and she has promised to take care of this. I trust that >> she will, so I'm letting it go for now. >> >> Also, after more recent events have happened, the pretzel >> incident seems like a pretty small matter. I won't go through >> all the details, but basically other students at my school have >> been falsely accusing me of cheating on tests (that is, looking >> at notes I take in my notetaker during tests) and being "let off >> the hook" on classwork when I'm really in a pullout class. These >> kids really need to be educated! >> >> Chris >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> Email and Google Talk/Keychat (on the BrailleNote) ID: >> dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com >> Skype: christpher.nusbaum3 or search for Chris Nusbaum >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >> nuisance." >> -- Kenneth Jernigan >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Date sent: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 23:30:25 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> Chris, >> If it happens again and again, then bring it to the IEP team. >> But if not, >> I'd let it go. I mean you let the top official-- the principal >> know. So I >> think that is enough. Its not as if the Iep team will do >> anything more; and >> besides most of them such as your parents and TVI already know >> about the >> issues. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Chris Nusbaum >> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:07 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> You're right; it wouldn't be something to put in my IEP. But do >> you think it would hurt to bring it up to the team? >> >> Chris >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >> nuisance." >> -- Kenneth Jernigan >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Date sent: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 15:09:51 -0800 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> This is not the kind of thing that you put in an IEP. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Hope Paulos" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 4:48 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> >> Hi Chris. I'm assuming you're in high school.. I'd go to >> both your >> principal and your guidance counselor. I wouldn't talk to him >> directly-- I >> think he'd get more dicipline if you had the principal talk to >> him. I'd >> also bring it up during your IEP/PET. >> HTH >> Hope and Beignet >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Beth" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:54 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> >> I knew this kid, speaking of criminals who were playground and >> school >> bullies, who was always harassing me, got mein trouble at lunch >> one day in >> elementary school, and later went on to rape somebody and go to >> jail for >> it. >> Beth >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Desiree Oudinot > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 18:41:07 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> When I was in elementary school, I had kids stealing books from >> me, >> throwing erasers in my hair, pulling chairs out from under me, >> you >> name it, they did it. The worst part was that most times, my >> teachers >> were right there, and refused to do anything about it, because >> they >> too were uncomfortable with my blindness, so why should they >> intervene? I say this because it wasn't so long ago that this >> happened >> to me. I grew up in the 90's, before bullying was the huge deal >> it is >> now, but still close enough to the events of Columbine that it >> wasn't >> completely unheard of either. And it was as "unacceptable" then >> as it >> is now. Yes, I put unacceptable in quotes, because guess what, >> it >> happens every day and so little of it is actually dealt with. >> Meanwhile, things that are no real problem at all are resulting >> in >> criminal records, such as a case I heard about recently where a >> boy >> gave his friend a hug in school and was charged with sexual >> harassment. I forget their exact ages, but they were young, >> elementary >> school age. And yet, kids are driven to suicide, depression, >> drugs, >> and every other dysfunction in the book, because they're bullied >> mercilessly every day and no one will do anything about it. >> Why do I say all this? I say it because I hope your school isn't >> like >> mine was. I hope that someone in authority actually cares. I >> hope that >> it doesn't escalate, because most kids have a cruel streak. I >> think >> it's true what they say about the impulsiveness of >> adolescents--it's >> human nature to be cruel, and at that age, most of us haven't >> learned >> how to control those impulses or aggressions, making them the >> most >> prone not only to selfishness and thoughtlessness, but to almost >> animal rage, not to mention an inability to see beyond their own >> actions to how they might be affecting others. My point is, >> people >> like this have to be stopped. Perhaps if something can get >> through to >> them while they're still young and impressionable, they might >> not grow >> up to be tomorrow's criminals. Or maybe they will, who knows. >> But I've >> seen enough to know what usually happens in these situations, >> even if >> it was 15 years ago; and, in saying that, I hope things have >> evolved >> at least a little bit since then. It makes me sick to read >> messages >> like this. I hope for your sake that these small actions do not >> go >> untouched. Right now this kid is probably testing the waters, >> seeing >> just how much he can get away with. If he can steal a pack of >> gum, so >> to speak, he may try to steal a candy bar next, then a bag of >> chips, >> and on and on it goes, you get the picture. >> >> On 2/1/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >> Chris, I know what you're going through. >> I had a girl, put a dead frog in my shirt, as we were playing >> outside, >> (I was in elementary school, when that happened.) >> Go to your principal, and he/she should do something. >> This stuff has got to stop! >> If they don't do anything, go in front of the schoolboard! >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 2/1/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> I had a problem at school today that I'd like to get your >> thoughts on as to what I should do next. Today during lunch, >> another kid at my table dumped his bag of pretzels into my water >> bottle without my knowing; he must have thought it was some kind >> of funny prank. Fortunately, I was sitting next to a good >> friend >> of mine, who told me about this. Even after multiple people >> commented negatively about what he did, he said nothing. >> >> Variations on this have happened before with this same kid as >> the >> perpetrater; only once before today this school year and 3 times >> last year. The one time something like this happened this year, >> he put his dirty napkin in my Yogurt cup (after I had finished >> eating the Yogurt) without saying anything. The first time >> (with >> the napkin,) I realized that this had happened as I was getting >> my trash together to throw it away. Knowing who did it, since >> he'd done this kind of thing before last year, I said, "(Insert >> name,) why is your napkin in my Yogurt?" Knowing that he had >> been >> caught, he replied, "Oh... sorry." I then talked to the lunch >> lady who is in charge of supervising all of us in the lunchroom. >> She said she would talk to him. I wasn't there when she did, >> but >> apparently she had, as the problem (for about a month and a >> half) >> had been resolved... that is, until today. >> >> I feel that this is a person taking advantage of my blindness >> and >> playing a "prank" on me knowing that I won't catch him. So, >> what >> do you think I should do next? Should I go to our principal? >> Should I talk to him directly? Any suggestions would be greatly >> appreciated! >> Thanks, >> >> Chris >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. 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Yeah, Bongo was great. So was Simon. I'm trying to remember what other ones there were now. And even though the voice on the Braille Lite was pretty bad, you could change the frequency in speech parameters which made it sound neat. I'm not even sure how to describe what it did. Maybe someone else can think of a way? Anyway, there was a specific pitch, if you set it high enough, and then set the frequency as high as it would go, and it sounded hilarious! If only I could get the Braille Lite to work again, I would make a recording of it. On 2/10/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: > Hahaha. Okay, maybe that is not funny, but I always find trying to make fake > voices sound right amusing. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ignasi Cambra Díaz" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 10:08 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak > > >>I had the 2000. It was pretty good at the time! I remember we bought it >>straight from the US because buying it in Spain took lots of time. They >>even sent it to me with both Spanish and French languages, but the truth is >> >>that no matter what it spoke it always had this thick english accent. >> On Feb 9, 2012, at 10:37 PM, >> wrote: >> >>> Wow, now that takes me back. Remember the classic? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester >>> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 10:14 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak >>> >>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>> Ashley brought back memories, on the bullying thread, by bringing up >>> the Braille N Speak! >>> I had one, in Elementary school, but I don't have it anymore. >>> I was just wondering. >>> Does anyone still have a Braille N Speak? >>> I'm interested in owning one, just for collecting value. >>> I'd be interested in purchasing one, if possible. >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/frandi.galindo%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com > From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Fri Feb 10 07:34:45 2012 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 23:34:45 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak References: <71A795612A4844FCA5C615D21898733E@OwnerPC><5AF68DB4-5861-41D1-9367-0F619CF8D15F@gmail.com><5FD43DF5F732430B843E8AFBB9104996@stanford.edu> Message-ID: Oh, let's see... Hangman Simon Bongo Solitaire Logic (a game for guessing the string of characters based on telling you how many correct, but not which ones) Dino Chess Blackjack ----- Original Message ----- From: "Desiree Oudinot" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 11:15 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak I was comparing the games on the Blazie note-takers to those of the Braille Note. Yeah, Bongo was great. So was Simon. I'm trying to remember what other ones there were now. And even though the voice on the Braille Lite was pretty bad, you could change the frequency in speech parameters which made it sound neat. I'm not even sure how to describe what it did. Maybe someone else can think of a way? Anyway, there was a specific pitch, if you set it high enough, and then set the frequency as high as it would go, and it sounded hilarious! If only I could get the Braille Lite to work again, I would make a recording of it. On 2/10/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: > Hahaha. Okay, maybe that is not funny, but I always find trying to make > fake > voices sound right amusing. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ignasi Cambra Díaz" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 10:08 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak > > >>I had the 2000. It was pretty good at the time! I remember we bought it >>straight from the US because buying it in Spain took lots of time. They >>even sent it to me with both Spanish and French languages, but the truth >>is >> >>that no matter what it spoke it always had this thick english accent. >> On Feb 9, 2012, at 10:37 PM, >> wrote: >> >>> Wow, now that takes me back. Remember the classic? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester >>> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 10:14 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak >>> >>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>> Ashley brought back memories, on the bullying thread, by bringing up >>> the Braille N Speak! >>> I had one, in Elementary school, but I don't have it anymore. >>> I was just wondering. >>> Does anyone still have a Braille N Speak? >>> I'm interested in owning one, just for collecting value. >>> I'd be interested in purchasing one, if possible. >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/frandi.galindo%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Fri Feb 10 08:31:50 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 02:31:50 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak In-Reply-To: References: <71A795612A4844FCA5C615D21898733E@OwnerPC> <5AF68DB4-5861-41D1-9367-0F619CF8D15F@gmail.com> <5FD43DF5F732430B843E8AFBB9104996@stanford.edu> Message-ID: That's like turning the pitch, and the speed up on the NLS tape player. Why did NLS move to cartridges? Leave the cassettes alone! Blessings, Joshua On 2/10/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: > Oh, let's see... > Hangman > Simon > Bongo > Solitaire > Logic (a game for guessing the string of characters based on telling you how > many correct, but not which ones) > Dino > Chess > Blackjack > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Desiree Oudinot" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 11:15 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak > > > I was comparing the games on the Blazie note-takers to those of the > Braille Note. Yeah, Bongo was great. So was Simon. I'm trying to > remember what other ones there were now. And even though the voice on > the Braille Lite was pretty bad, you could change the frequency in > speech parameters which made it sound neat. I'm not even sure how to > describe what it did. Maybe someone else can think of a way? Anyway, > there was a specific pitch, if you set it high enough, and then set > the frequency as high as it would go, and it sounded hilarious! If > only I could get the Braille Lite to work again, I would make a > recording of it. > > On 2/10/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: >> Hahaha. Okay, maybe that is not funny, but I always find trying to make >> fake >> voices sound right amusing. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ignasi Cambra Díaz" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 10:08 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak >> >> >>>I had the 2000. It was pretty good at the time! I remember we bought it >>>straight from the US because buying it in Spain took lots of time. They >>>even sent it to me with both Spanish and French languages, but the truth >>>is >>> >>>that no matter what it spoke it always had this thick english accent. >>> On Feb 9, 2012, at 10:37 PM, >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Wow, now that takes me back. Remember the classic? >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester >>>> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 10:14 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak >>>> >>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>> Ashley brought back memories, on the bullying thread, by bringing up >>>> the Braille N Speak! >>>> I had one, in Elementary school, but I don't have it anymore. >>>> I was just wondering. >>>> Does anyone still have a Braille N Speak? >>>> I'm interested in owning one, just for collecting value. >>>> I'd be interested in purchasing one, if possible. >>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/frandi.galindo%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Fri Feb 10 08:40:14 2012 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 00:40:14 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak References: <71A795612A4844FCA5C615D21898733E@OwnerPC><5AF68DB4-5861-41D1-9367-0F619CF8D15F@gmail.com><5FD43DF5F732430B843E8AFBB9104996@stanford.edu> Message-ID: <68149A52D1BA4B14B2419347D70F5016@stanford.edu> Because they are better in many ways. Do I need to qualify that? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 12:31 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak That's like turning the pitch, and the speed up on the NLS tape player. Why did NLS move to cartridges? Leave the cassettes alone! Blessings, Joshua On 2/10/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: > Oh, let's see... > Hangman > Simon > Bongo > Solitaire > Logic (a game for guessing the string of characters based on telling you > how > many correct, but not which ones) > Dino > Chess > Blackjack > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Desiree Oudinot" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 11:15 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak > > > I was comparing the games on the Blazie note-takers to those of the > Braille Note. Yeah, Bongo was great. So was Simon. I'm trying to > remember what other ones there were now. And even though the voice on > the Braille Lite was pretty bad, you could change the frequency in > speech parameters which made it sound neat. I'm not even sure how to > describe what it did. Maybe someone else can think of a way? Anyway, > there was a specific pitch, if you set it high enough, and then set > the frequency as high as it would go, and it sounded hilarious! If > only I could get the Braille Lite to work again, I would make a > recording of it. > > On 2/10/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: >> Hahaha. Okay, maybe that is not funny, but I always find trying to make >> fake >> voices sound right amusing. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ignasi Cambra Díaz" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 10:08 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak >> >> >>>I had the 2000. It was pretty good at the time! I remember we bought it >>>straight from the US because buying it in Spain took lots of time. They >>>even sent it to me with both Spanish and French languages, but the truth >>>is >>> >>>that no matter what it spoke it always had this thick english accent. >>> On Feb 9, 2012, at 10:37 PM, >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Wow, now that takes me back. Remember the classic? >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester >>>> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 10:14 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak >>>> >>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>> Ashley brought back memories, on the bullying thread, by bringing up >>>> the Braille N Speak! >>>> I had one, in Elementary school, but I don't have it anymore. >>>> I was just wondering. >>>> Does anyone still have a Braille N Speak? >>>> I'm interested in owning one, just for collecting value. >>>> I'd be interested in purchasing one, if possible. >>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/frandi.galindo%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com From kramc11 at gmail.com Fri Feb 10 11:16:04 2012 From: kramc11 at gmail.com (Mark J. Cadigan) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 06:16:04 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school References: <4f347250.c339320a.693d.04d8@mx.google.com><64E21CADA84C4E51BEBDD9BA3CFECFEC@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <7DD562EB3457483CB36E481FE1B1AFAE@cadiganpc> Desiree, First of all, I want to start off by saying that the bully's violence is absolutely not acceptable. With that being said, you resorting to violence to solve the problem is likewise just as unacceptable. Sadly, some people only listen to a good left hook; however, school is neither the proper time nor place for administering this education to the bullies. I am by no means suggesting looking for confrontation when off school grounds, however, when off school grounds, your options are increased. If you read my messages on this topic, I have never said explicitly or implied that "people who get bullied obviously deserve it." however, what I have been saying is that escalating the situation into violence while on school grounds will only get you into trouble. I guarantee you that the teachers that ignore the bullies will not ignore your defending yourself and use it against you. By all means defend yourself; however, doing it with your fist, while at school is only a liability for yourself. In my experience, less overt actions are just as affective and less likely to have an adverse affect on you. For situations outside of school for instance, using Frandi's example of the mugger, in my opinion, if the mugger is not part of a large group, or armed in some way, by all means, kick him in the balls and beat feet. However, getting into a fight with 3 or 4 members of a street gang, while unarmed yourself, over your wallet makes no tactical sense. If you are out matched in terms of fire power or fist power, throw your wallet and run in the opposite direction. However, the situation of a mugger is completely different than a bully. By reporting the situation of bullying to the authorities, in this case the teachers, and having it be documented that you did so, is not hiding behind the skirts of anyone. Instead, it is the responsible course of action. If you report it, the school becomes liable for anything that happens due to there inaction. Resorting to violence at school is the absolute last resort for self defense and should be avoided at all cost. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Desiree Oudinot" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 2:09 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > Hi Mark, > Hmmm, so you're saying that the bullys violence is acceptable then? > Maybe the old adage "an eye for an eye" isn't politically correct > anymore, but let me tell you something, giving the bully the freedom > to do and say whatever they want isn't the way to solve it either. As > I said, there are hopeless cases in society. There are psychopaths who > will never feel remorse for their actions, and this dysfunction often > first appears in adolescence. Just the same, there are probably kids > who feel pressure to be cool, and they think the way to be cool is to > bully others, and will probably look back later in life and regret > what they've done in their high school days. However, this distinction > really isn't on the victim's mind while they're being bullied. That > person is feeling trapped, helpless, and, in the worst cases, > completely unsupported and alone, knowing no one will defend them or > even take them seriously if they take the standard route and tell > someone. > I was one of those people. Without going too far into it, I'll just > say that when I was growing up, no one gave a damn what was happening > to me. The teachers were often in the same room while the bullies were > doing whatever they felt like doing to me. They didn't want anything > to do with a blind kid; they were forever trying to get out of > accomodating me. My parents alternated between telling me to suck it > up, it would build character, and my academic achievment was all that > mattered, and all the rest, well, I should just ignore it. Sometimes > they got angry and threatened to sue the school, but it never came to > fruition; and most times, they constantly put me down for the > depression that resulted from being completely isolated without a > stable support system. Finally I went to a school for the blind for > the duration of my high school years when I snapped and couldn't take > the abuse anymore. That actually turned out to be much worse than > public school ever could have been, and that's saying something. > What I'm saying is, some of us are highly offended by your flippant > remarks about how the bully gets a slap on the wrist and those of us > who suffered without a single helping hand along the way should just > remain silent. It's extremely ignorant and presumptious of you to say > that people who get bullied obviously deserve it. > > On 2/10/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: >> Actually, I think that there is a problem if you cannot be trusted to not >> cheat when using a notetaker on a test. If people cannot trust you with >> something like that, they probably cannot trust you with other things. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ashley Bramlett" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 6:40 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> >>> Well, it is easy to cheat with a notetaker and I'm surprised blind >>> students these days are let to take tests with them. >>> When I was in middle and high school, I was not allowed to use my >>> braille >>> n speak on exams. >>> That said, these students have no business accusing any one of cheating. >>> They need to focus on their own work. >>> If they don't have evidence of cheating, they cannot do anything about >>> it >>> anyway. Just say you are not cheating and go on. >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Beth >>> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 8:26 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>> >>> Chris, >>> Cheating on tests is a huge thing. IF these kids are trying to >>> tarnish your academic integrity, you need to tell the principal >>> once again. She will have to educate the kids about blindness >>> and academic integrity issues. This is important as you will >>> need academic integrity in order to go on to college and >>> university and if caught at university doing this, they will >>> penalize you and kick you out. Every sylabus at college I saw >>> had an Academic Integrity policy on it, and that should be said >>> of middle school. >>> Beth >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Chris Nusbaum >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> list>> Date sent: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:18:17 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>> >>> Hi Ashley, >>> >>> I agree. I don't think this is something which is effecting my >>> right to a "free and appropriate education," and therefore >>> wouldn't be appropriate for an IEP or to even be brought up at >>> the IEP meeting; that is, unless it happens again and again. As >>> I reported here last week, I have talked with my principal about >>> this, and she has promised to take care of this. I trust that >>> she will, so I'm letting it go for now. >>> >>> Also, after more recent events have happened, the pretzel >>> incident seems like a pretty small matter. I won't go through >>> all the details, but basically other students at my school have >>> been falsely accusing me of cheating on tests (that is, looking >>> at notes I take in my notetaker during tests) and being "let off >>> the hook" on classwork when I'm really in a pullout class. These >>> kids really need to be educated! >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> Email and Google Talk/Keychat (on the BrailleNote) ID: >>> dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com >>> Skype: christpher.nusbaum3 or search for Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>> nuisance." >>> -- Kenneth Jernigan >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Date sent: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 23:30:25 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>> >>> Chris, >>> If it happens again and again, then bring it to the IEP team. >>> But if not, >>> I'd let it go. I mean you let the top official-- the principal >>> know. So I >>> think that is enough. Its not as if the Iep team will do >>> anything more; and >>> besides most of them such as your parents and TVI already know >>> about the >>> issues. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Chris Nusbaum >>> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:07 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>> >>> You're right; it wouldn't be something to put in my IEP. But do >>> you think it would hurt to bring it up to the team? >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>> nuisance." >>> -- Kenneth Jernigan >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Date sent: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 15:09:51 -0800 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>> >>> This is not the kind of thing that you put in an IEP. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Hope Paulos" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 4:48 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>> >>> >>> Hi Chris. I'm assuming you're in high school.. I'd go to >>> both your >>> principal and your guidance counselor. I wouldn't talk to him >>> directly-- I >>> think he'd get more dicipline if you had the principal talk to >>> him. I'd >>> also bring it up during your IEP/PET. >>> HTH >>> Hope and Beignet >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Beth" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:54 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>> >>> >>> I knew this kid, speaking of criminals who were playground and >>> school >>> bullies, who was always harassing me, got mein trouble at lunch >>> one day in >>> elementary school, and later went on to rape somebody and go to >>> jail for >>> it. >>> Beth >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Desiree Oudinot >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 18:41:07 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>> >>> When I was in elementary school, I had kids stealing books from >>> me, >>> throwing erasers in my hair, pulling chairs out from under me, >>> you >>> name it, they did it. The worst part was that most times, my >>> teachers >>> were right there, and refused to do anything about it, because >>> they >>> too were uncomfortable with my blindness, so why should they >>> intervene? I say this because it wasn't so long ago that this >>> happened >>> to me. I grew up in the 90's, before bullying was the huge deal >>> it is >>> now, but still close enough to the events of Columbine that it >>> wasn't >>> completely unheard of either. And it was as "unacceptable" then >>> as it >>> is now. Yes, I put unacceptable in quotes, because guess what, >>> it >>> happens every day and so little of it is actually dealt with. >>> Meanwhile, things that are no real problem at all are resulting >>> in >>> criminal records, such as a case I heard about recently where a >>> boy >>> gave his friend a hug in school and was charged with sexual >>> harassment. I forget their exact ages, but they were young, >>> elementary >>> school age. And yet, kids are driven to suicide, depression, >>> drugs, >>> and every other dysfunction in the book, because they're bullied >>> mercilessly every day and no one will do anything about it. >>> Why do I say all this? I say it because I hope your school isn't >>> like >>> mine was. I hope that someone in authority actually cares. I >>> hope that >>> it doesn't escalate, because most kids have a cruel streak. I >>> think >>> it's true what they say about the impulsiveness of >>> adolescents--it's >>> human nature to be cruel, and at that age, most of us haven't >>> learned >>> how to control those impulses or aggressions, making them the >>> most >>> prone not only to selfishness and thoughtlessness, but to almost >>> animal rage, not to mention an inability to see beyond their own >>> actions to how they might be affecting others. My point is, >>> people >>> like this have to be stopped. Perhaps if something can get >>> through to >>> them while they're still young and impressionable, they might >>> not grow >>> up to be tomorrow's criminals. Or maybe they will, who knows. >>> But I've >>> seen enough to know what usually happens in these situations, >>> even if >>> it was 15 years ago; and, in saying that, I hope things have >>> evolved >>> at least a little bit since then. It makes me sick to read >>> messages >>> like this. I hope for your sake that these small actions do not >>> go >>> untouched. Right now this kid is probably testing the waters, >>> seeing >>> just how much he can get away with. If he can steal a pack of >>> gum, so >>> to speak, he may try to steal a candy bar next, then a bag of >>> chips, >>> and on and on it goes, you get the picture. >>> >>> On 2/1/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> Chris, I know what you're going through. >>> I had a girl, put a dead frog in my shirt, as we were playing >>> outside, >>> (I was in elementary school, when that happened.) >>> Go to your principal, and he/she should do something. >>> This stuff has got to stop! >>> If they don't do anything, go in front of the schoolboard! >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 2/1/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> I had a problem at school today that I'd like to get your >>> thoughts on as to what I should do next. Today during lunch, >>> another kid at my table dumped his bag of pretzels into my water >>> bottle without my knowing; he must have thought it was some kind >>> of funny prank. Fortunately, I was sitting next to a good >>> friend >>> of mine, who told me about this. Even after multiple people >>> commented negatively about what he did, he said nothing. >>> >>> Variations on this have happened before with this same kid as >>> the >>> perpetrater; only once before today this school year and 3 times >>> last year. The one time something like this happened this year, >>> he put his dirty napkin in my Yogurt cup (after I had finished >>> eating the Yogurt) without saying anything. The first time >>> (with >>> the napkin,) I realized that this had happened as I was getting >>> my trash together to throw it away. Knowing who did it, since >>> he'd done this kind of thing before last year, I said, "(Insert >>> name,) why is your napkin in my Yogurt?" Knowing that he had >>> been >>> caught, he replied, "Oh... sorry." I then talked to the lunch >>> lady who is in charge of supervising all of us in the lunchroom. >>> She said she would talk to him. I wasn't there when she did, >>> but >>> apparently she had, as the problem (for about a month and a >>> half) >>> had been resolved... that is, until today. >>> >>> I feel that this is a person taking advantage of my blindness >>> and >>> playing a "prank" on me knowing that I won't catch him. So, >>> what >>> do you think I should do next? Should I go to our principal? >>> Should I talk to him directly? Any suggestions would be greatly >>> appreciated! >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>> nuisance." >>> -- Kenneth Jernigan >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >>> 0students.pccua.edu >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17 >>> %40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo >>> se%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%4 >>> 0gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40 >>> wavecable.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >>> m%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 >>> 0earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >>> m%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo >>> se%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kramc11%40gmail.com From dandrews at visi.com Fri Feb 10 11:33:50 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 05:33:50 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] study on the use of podcasts for learners with vision loss Message-ID: >We have been asked to circulate the following: Dave >An announcement has just been posted on the American Foundation for >the Blind's web site regarding a study on the use of podcasts for >learners with vision loss. There is an opportunity to take an online >survey to share your perspective. A link to the announcement and >survey is provided here >http://www.afb.org/community.asp?AnnouncementID=1219. > > >Kimarie Whetstone >whetstonekjw at yahoo.com > >*Kimarie Whetstone From frandi.galindo at gmail.com Fri Feb 10 15:56:23 2012 From: frandi.galindo at gmail.com (frandi.galindo at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 10:56:23 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school In-Reply-To: <7DD562EB3457483CB36E481FE1B1AFAE@cadiganpc> References: <4f347250.c339320a.693d.04d8@mx.google.com><64E21CADA84C4E51BEBDD9BA3CFECFEC@OwnerPC> <7DD562EB3457483CB36E481FE1B1AFAE@cadiganpc> Message-ID: <414190C13A6A4186BD7BBB7A129881AB@OwnerPC> Mark, I have read both of your messages and you said the same thing basically twice. Just in different wording. Desiree, Andi, and I just decided that instead of giving the same advice over and over again that everyone has been giving, we would add extra solutions. Yes, talking will work, but up to a certain extent. The poor kid asked for advice, and we all gave it to him. Now its time for him to decide what to do with it. And yes violence in school isn't the right thing to do, and yes now a days you can get charged with something and have it go on your record, but if you ask me and many of those out their who have been the objects and punching bags of another angry person, I think that we would rather have a record. Nobody likes beeing stept on and trodden upon, but when the time comes to defend one self, one self must do what has to be done. I don't know you very well, but I am pretty sure you were bullied at some point in your life. Who hasn't. It’s a what happens in schools. Yes some get it more than others, and some not as much, but it happens. Its sad to know that people don't stand up for themselves when they need to. -----Original Message----- From: Mark J. Cadigan Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 6:16 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school Desiree, First of all, I want to start off by saying that the bully's violence is absolutely not acceptable. With that being said, you resorting to violence to solve the problem is likewise just as unacceptable. Sadly, some people only listen to a good left hook; however, school is neither the proper time nor place for administering this education to the bullies. I am by no means suggesting looking for confrontation when off school grounds, however, when off school grounds, your options are increased. If you read my messages on this topic, I have never said explicitly or implied that "people who get bullied obviously deserve it." however, what I have been saying is that escalating the situation into violence while on school grounds will only get you into trouble. I guarantee you that the teachers that ignore the bullies will not ignore your defending yourself and use it against you. By all means defend yourself; however, doing it with your fist, while at school is only a liability for yourself. In my experience, less overt actions are just as affective and less likely to have an adverse affect on you. For situations outside of school for instance, using Frandi's example of the mugger, in my opinion, if the mugger is not part of a large group, or armed in some way, by all means, kick him in the balls and beat feet. However, getting into a fight with 3 or 4 members of a street gang, while unarmed yourself, over your wallet makes no tactical sense. If you are out matched in terms of fire power or fist power, throw your wallet and run in the opposite direction. However, the situation of a mugger is completely different than a bully. By reporting the situation of bullying to the authorities, in this case the teachers, and having it be documented that you did so, is not hiding behind the skirts of anyone. Instead, it is the responsible course of action. If you report it, the school becomes liable for anything that happens due to there inaction. Resorting to violence at school is the absolute last resort for self defense and should be avoided at all cost. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Desiree Oudinot" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 2:09 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > Hi Mark, > Hmmm, so you're saying that the bullys violence is acceptable then? > Maybe the old adage "an eye for an eye" isn't politically correct > anymore, but let me tell you something, giving the bully the freedom > to do and say whatever they want isn't the way to solve it either. As > I said, there are hopeless cases in society. There are psychopaths who > will never feel remorse for their actions, and this dysfunction often > first appears in adolescence. Just the same, there are probably kids > who feel pressure to be cool, and they think the way to be cool is to > bully others, and will probably look back later in life and regret > what they've done in their high school days. However, this distinction > really isn't on the victim's mind while they're being bullied. That > person is feeling trapped, helpless, and, in the worst cases, > completely unsupported and alone, knowing no one will defend them or > even take them seriously if they take the standard route and tell > someone. > I was one of those people. Without going too far into it, I'll just > say that when I was growing up, no one gave a damn what was happening > to me. The teachers were often in the same room while the bullies were > doing whatever they felt like doing to me. They didn't want anything > to do with a blind kid; they were forever trying to get out of > accomodating me. My parents alternated between telling me to suck it > up, it would build character, and my academic achievment was all that > mattered, and all the rest, well, I should just ignore it. Sometimes > they got angry and threatened to sue the school, but it never came to > fruition; and most times, they constantly put me down for the > depression that resulted from being completely isolated without a > stable support system. Finally I went to a school for the blind for > the duration of my high school years when I snapped and couldn't take > the abuse anymore. That actually turned out to be much worse than > public school ever could have been, and that's saying something. > What I'm saying is, some of us are highly offended by your flippant > remarks about how the bully gets a slap on the wrist and those of us > who suffered without a single helping hand along the way should just > remain silent. It's extremely ignorant and presumptious of you to say > that people who get bullied obviously deserve it. > > On 2/10/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: >> Actually, I think that there is a problem if you cannot be trusted to not >> cheat when using a notetaker on a test. If people cannot trust you with >> something like that, they probably cannot trust you with other things. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ashley Bramlett" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 6:40 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> >>> Well, it is easy to cheat with a notetaker and I'm surprised blind >>> students these days are let to take tests with them. >>> When I was in middle and high school, I was not allowed to use my >>> braille >>> n speak on exams. >>> That said, these students have no business accusing any one of cheating. >>> They need to focus on their own work. >>> If they don't have evidence of cheating, they cannot do anything about >>> it >>> anyway. Just say you are not cheating and go on. >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Beth >>> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 8:26 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>> >>> Chris, >>> Cheating on tests is a huge thing. IF these kids are trying to >>> tarnish your academic integrity, you need to tell the principal >>> once again. She will have to educate the kids about blindness >>> and academic integrity issues. This is important as you will >>> need academic integrity in order to go on to college and >>> university and if caught at university doing this, they will >>> penalize you and kick you out. Every sylabus at college I saw >>> had an Academic Integrity policy on it, and that should be said >>> of middle school. >>> Beth >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Chris Nusbaum >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> list>> Date sent: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:18:17 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>> >>> Hi Ashley, >>> >>> I agree. I don't think this is something which is effecting my >>> right to a "free and appropriate education," and therefore >>> wouldn't be appropriate for an IEP or to even be brought up at >>> the IEP meeting; that is, unless it happens again and again. As >>> I reported here last week, I have talked with my principal about >>> this, and she has promised to take care of this. I trust that >>> she will, so I'm letting it go for now. >>> >>> Also, after more recent events have happened, the pretzel >>> incident seems like a pretty small matter. I won't go through >>> all the details, but basically other students at my school have >>> been falsely accusing me of cheating on tests (that is, looking >>> at notes I take in my notetaker during tests) and being "let off >>> the hook" on classwork when I'm really in a pullout class. These >>> kids really need to be educated! >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> Email and Google Talk/Keychat (on the BrailleNote) ID: >>> dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com >>> Skype: christpher.nusbaum3 or search for Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>> nuisance." >>> -- Kenneth Jernigan >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Date sent: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 23:30:25 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>> >>> Chris, >>> If it happens again and again, then bring it to the IEP team. >>> But if not, >>> I'd let it go. I mean you let the top official-- the principal >>> know. So I >>> think that is enough. Its not as if the Iep team will do >>> anything more; and >>> besides most of them such as your parents and TVI already know >>> about the >>> issues. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Chris Nusbaum >>> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:07 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>> >>> You're right; it wouldn't be something to put in my IEP. But do >>> you think it would hurt to bring it up to the team? >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>> nuisance." >>> -- Kenneth Jernigan >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Date sent: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 15:09:51 -0800 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>> >>> This is not the kind of thing that you put in an IEP. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Hope Paulos" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 4:48 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>> >>> >>> Hi Chris. I'm assuming you're in high school.. I'd go to >>> both your >>> principal and your guidance counselor. I wouldn't talk to him >>> directly-- I >>> think he'd get more dicipline if you had the principal talk to >>> him. I'd >>> also bring it up during your IEP/PET. >>> HTH >>> Hope and Beignet >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Beth" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:54 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>> >>> >>> I knew this kid, speaking of criminals who were playground and >>> school >>> bullies, who was always harassing me, got mein trouble at lunch >>> one day in >>> elementary school, and later went on to rape somebody and go to >>> jail for >>> it. >>> Beth >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Desiree Oudinot >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 18:41:07 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>> >>> When I was in elementary school, I had kids stealing books from >>> me, >>> throwing erasers in my hair, pulling chairs out from under me, >>> you >>> name it, they did it. The worst part was that most times, my >>> teachers >>> were right there, and refused to do anything about it, because >>> they >>> too were uncomfortable with my blindness, so why should they >>> intervene? I say this because it wasn't so long ago that this >>> happened >>> to me. I grew up in the 90's, before bullying was the huge deal >>> it is >>> now, but still close enough to the events of Columbine that it >>> wasn't >>> completely unheard of either. And it was as "unacceptable" then >>> as it >>> is now. Yes, I put unacceptable in quotes, because guess what, >>> it >>> happens every day and so little of it is actually dealt with. >>> Meanwhile, things that are no real problem at all are resulting >>> in >>> criminal records, such as a case I heard about recently where a >>> boy >>> gave his friend a hug in school and was charged with sexual >>> harassment. I forget their exact ages, but they were young, >>> elementary >>> school age. And yet, kids are driven to suicide, depression, >>> drugs, >>> and every other dysfunction in the book, because they're bullied >>> mercilessly every day and no one will do anything about it. >>> Why do I say all this? I say it because I hope your school isn't >>> like >>> mine was. I hope that someone in authority actually cares. I >>> hope that >>> it doesn't escalate, because most kids have a cruel streak. I >>> think >>> it's true what they say about the impulsiveness of >>> adolescents--it's >>> human nature to be cruel, and at that age, most of us haven't >>> learned >>> how to control those impulses or aggressions, making them the >>> most >>> prone not only to selfishness and thoughtlessness, but to almost >>> animal rage, not to mention an inability to see beyond their own >>> actions to how they might be affecting others. My point is, >>> people >>> like this have to be stopped. Perhaps if something can get >>> through to >>> them while they're still young and impressionable, they might >>> not grow >>> up to be tomorrow's criminals. Or maybe they will, who knows. >>> But I've >>> seen enough to know what usually happens in these situations, >>> even if >>> it was 15 years ago; and, in saying that, I hope things have >>> evolved >>> at least a little bit since then. It makes me sick to read >>> messages >>> like this. I hope for your sake that these small actions do not >>> go >>> untouched. Right now this kid is probably testing the waters, >>> seeing >>> just how much he can get away with. If he can steal a pack of >>> gum, so >>> to speak, he may try to steal a candy bar next, then a bag of >>> chips, >>> and on and on it goes, you get the picture. >>> >>> On 2/1/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> Chris, I know what you're going through. >>> I had a girl, put a dead frog in my shirt, as we were playing >>> outside, >>> (I was in elementary school, when that happened.) >>> Go to your principal, and he/she should do something. >>> This stuff has got to stop! >>> If they don't do anything, go in front of the schoolboard! >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 2/1/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> I had a problem at school today that I'd like to get your >>> thoughts on as to what I should do next. Today during lunch, >>> another kid at my table dumped his bag of pretzels into my water >>> bottle without my knowing; he must have thought it was some kind >>> of funny prank. Fortunately, I was sitting next to a good >>> friend >>> of mine, who told me about this. Even after multiple people >>> commented negatively about what he did, he said nothing. >>> >>> Variations on this have happened before with this same kid as >>> the >>> perpetrater; only once before today this school year and 3 times >>> last year. The one time something like this happened this year, >>> he put his dirty napkin in my Yogurt cup (after I had finished >>> eating the Yogurt) without saying anything. The first time >>> (with >>> the napkin,) I realized that this had happened as I was getting >>> my trash together to throw it away. Knowing who did it, since >>> he'd done this kind of thing before last year, I said, "(Insert >>> name,) why is your napkin in my Yogurt?" Knowing that he had >>> been >>> caught, he replied, "Oh... sorry." I then talked to the lunch >>> lady who is in charge of supervising all of us in the lunchroom. >>> She said she would talk to him. I wasn't there when she did, >>> but >>> apparently she had, as the problem (for about a month and a >>> half) >>> had been resolved... that is, until today. >>> >>> I feel that this is a person taking advantage of my blindness >>> and >>> playing a "prank" on me knowing that I won't catch him. So, >>> what >>> do you think I should do next? Should I go to our principal? >>> Should I talk to him directly? Any suggestions would be greatly >>> appreciated! >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>> nuisance." >>> -- Kenneth Jernigan >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >>> 0students.pccua.edu >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17 >>> %40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> 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>> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kramc11%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/frandi.galindo%40gmail.com From frandi.galindo at gmail.com Fri Feb 10 15:58:27 2012 From: frandi.galindo at gmail.com (frandi.galindo at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 10:58:27 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school In-Reply-To: References: <4f347250.c339320a.693d.04d8@mx.google.com><64E21CADA84C4E51BEBDD9BA3CFECFEC@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <595A9A1374F3457BB94EC32C84B2C9F9@OwnerPC> How else is some one who has vision problems or who is blind suppose to take notes in schools with out some kind of device that assists them in doing so. Do people expect them to bust out a pencil and a sheet of paper and start printing or cursive like the rest of them? Educate. That’s the magic word. -----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 1:52 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school Actually, I think that there is a problem if you cannot be trusted to not cheat when using a notetaker on a test. If people cannot trust you with something like that, they probably cannot trust you with other things. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 6:40 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > Well, it is easy to cheat with a notetaker and I'm surprised blind > students these days are let to take tests with them. > When I was in middle and high school, I was not allowed to use my braille > n speak on exams. > That said, these students have no business accusing any one of cheating. > They need to focus on their own work. > If they don't have evidence of cheating, they cannot do anything about it > anyway. Just say you are not cheating and go on. > -----Original Message----- > From: Beth > Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 8:26 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > Chris, > Cheating on tests is a huge thing. IF these kids are trying to > tarnish your academic integrity, you need to tell the principal > once again. She will have to educate the kids about blindness > and academic integrity issues. This is important as you will > need academic integrity in order to go on to college and > university and if caught at university doing this, they will > penalize you and kick you out. Every sylabus at college I saw > had an Academic Integrity policy on it, and that should be said > of middle school. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris Nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list Date sent: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:18:17 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > Hi Ashley, > > I agree. I don't think this is something which is effecting my > right to a "free and appropriate education," and therefore > wouldn't be appropriate for an IEP or to even be brought up at > the IEP meeting; that is, unless it happens again and again. As > I reported here last week, I have talked with my principal about > this, and she has promised to take care of this. I trust that > she will, so I'm letting it go for now. > > Also, after more recent events have happened, the pretzel > incident seems like a pretty small matter. I won't go through > all the details, but basically other students at my school have > been falsely accusing me of cheating on tests (that is, looking > at notes I take in my notetaker during tests) and being "let off > the hook" on classwork when I'm really in a pullout class. These > kids really need to be educated! > > Chris > > Chris Nusbaum > Email and Google Talk/Keychat (on the BrailleNote) ID: > dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com > Skype: christpher.nusbaum3 or search for Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 23:30:25 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > Chris, > If it happens again and again, then bring it to the IEP team. > But if not, > I'd let it go. I mean you let the top official-- the principal > know. So I > think that is enough. Its not as if the Iep team will do > anything more; and > besides most of them such as your parents and TVI already know > about the > issues. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:07 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > You're right; it wouldn't be something to put in my IEP. But do > you think it would hurt to bring it up to the team? > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 15:09:51 -0800 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > This is not the kind of thing that you put in an IEP. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hope Paulos" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 4:48 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > > Hi Chris. I'm assuming you're in high school.. I'd go to > both your > principal and your guidance counselor. I wouldn't talk to him > directly-- I > think he'd get more dicipline if you had the principal talk to > him. I'd > also bring it up during your IEP/PET. > HTH > Hope and Beignet > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Beth" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:54 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > > I knew this kid, speaking of criminals who were playground and > school > bullies, who was always harassing me, got mein trouble at lunch > one day in > elementary school, and later went on to rape somebody and go to > jail for > it. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Desiree Oudinot To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 18:41:07 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > When I was in elementary school, I had kids stealing books from > me, > throwing erasers in my hair, pulling chairs out from under me, > you > name it, they did it. The worst part was that most times, my > teachers > were right there, and refused to do anything about it, because > they > too were uncomfortable with my blindness, so why should they > intervene? I say this because it wasn't so long ago that this > happened > to me. I grew up in the 90's, before bullying was the huge deal > it is > now, but still close enough to the events of Columbine that it > wasn't > completely unheard of either. And it was as "unacceptable" then > as it > is now. Yes, I put unacceptable in quotes, because guess what, > it > happens every day and so little of it is actually dealt with. > Meanwhile, things that are no real problem at all are resulting > in > criminal records, such as a case I heard about recently where a > boy > gave his friend a hug in school and was charged with sexual > harassment. I forget their exact ages, but they were young, > elementary > school age. And yet, kids are driven to suicide, depression, > drugs, > and every other dysfunction in the book, because they're bullied > mercilessly every day and no one will do anything about it. > Why do I say all this? I say it because I hope your school isn't > like > mine was. I hope that someone in authority actually cares. I > hope that > it doesn't escalate, because most kids have a cruel streak. I > think > it's true what they say about the impulsiveness of > adolescents--it's > human nature to be cruel, and at that age, most of us haven't > learned > how to control those impulses or aggressions, making them the > most > prone not only to selfishness and thoughtlessness, but to almost > animal rage, not to mention an inability to see beyond their own > actions to how they might be affecting others. My point is, > people > like this have to be stopped. Perhaps if something can get > through to > them while they're still young and impressionable, they might > not grow > up to be tomorrow's criminals. Or maybe they will, who knows. > But I've > seen enough to know what usually happens in these situations, > even if > it was 15 years ago; and, in saying that, I hope things have > evolved > at least a little bit since then. It makes me sick to read > messages > like this. I hope for your sake that these small actions do not > go > untouched. Right now this kid is probably testing the waters, > seeing > just how much he can get away with. If he can steal a pack of > gum, so > to speak, he may try to steal a candy bar next, then a bag of > chips, > and on and on it goes, you get the picture. > > On 2/1/12, Joshua Lester wrote: > Chris, I know what you're going through. > I had a girl, put a dead frog in my shirt, as we were playing > outside, > (I was in elementary school, when that happened.) > Go to your principal, and he/she should do something. > This stuff has got to stop! > If they don't do anything, go in front of the schoolboard! > Blessings, Joshua > > On 2/1/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I had a problem at school today that I'd like to get your > thoughts on as to what I should do next. Today during lunch, > another kid at my table dumped his bag of pretzels into my water > bottle without my knowing; he must have thought it was some kind > of funny prank. Fortunately, I was sitting next to a good > friend > of mine, who told me about this. Even after multiple people > commented negatively about what he did, he said nothing. > > Variations on this have happened before with this same kid as > the > perpetrater; only once before today this school year and 3 times > last year. The one time something like this happened this year, > he put his dirty napkin in my Yogurt cup (after I had finished > eating the Yogurt) without saying anything. The first time > (with > the napkin,) I realized that this had happened as I was getting > my trash together to throw it away. Knowing who did it, since > he'd done this kind of thing before last year, I said, "(Insert > name,) why is your napkin in my Yogurt?" Knowing that he had > been > caught, he replied, "Oh... sorry." I then talked to the lunch > lady who is in charge of supervising all of us in the lunchroom. > She said she would talk to him. I wasn't there when she did, > but > apparently she had, as the problem (for about a month and a > half) > had been resolved... that is, until today. > > I feel that this is a person taking advantage of my blindness > and > playing a "prank" on me knowing that I won't catch him. So, > what > do you think I should do next? Should I go to our principal? > Should I talk to him directly? Any suggestions would be greatly > appreciated! > Thanks, > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17 > %40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo > se%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%4 > 0gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40 > wavecable.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > 0earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo > se%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/frandi.galindo%40gmail.com From frandi.galindo at gmail.com Fri Feb 10 16:01:00 2012 From: frandi.galindo at gmail.com (frandi.galindo at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 11:01:00 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak In-Reply-To: <68149A52D1BA4B14B2419347D70F5016@stanford.edu> References: <71A795612A4844FCA5C615D21898733E@OwnerPC><5AF68DB4-5861-41D1-9367-0F619CF8D15F@gmail.com><5FD43DF5F732430B843E8AFBB9104996@stanford.edu> <68149A52D1BA4B14B2419347D70F5016@stanford.edu> Message-ID: <1ED0DDF522E2450699EBE1D90CAAA97E@OwnerPC> Ok, we get it, they are not better. I think we were just reminiscing. Now a days a lap top, Ipad, Iphone, or a nice desk top computer are the best. -----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 3:40 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak Because they are better in many ways. Do I need to qualify that? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 12:31 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak That's like turning the pitch, and the speed up on the NLS tape player. Why did NLS move to cartridges? Leave the cassettes alone! Blessings, Joshua On 2/10/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: > Oh, let's see... > Hangman > Simon > Bongo > Solitaire > Logic (a game for guessing the string of characters based on telling you > how > many correct, but not which ones) > Dino > Chess > Blackjack > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Desiree Oudinot" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 11:15 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak > > > I was comparing the games on the Blazie note-takers to those of the > Braille Note. Yeah, Bongo was great. So was Simon. I'm trying to > remember what other ones there were now. And even though the voice on > the Braille Lite was pretty bad, you could change the frequency in > speech parameters which made it sound neat. I'm not even sure how to > describe what it did. Maybe someone else can think of a way? Anyway, > there was a specific pitch, if you set it high enough, and then set > the frequency as high as it would go, and it sounded hilarious! If > only I could get the Braille Lite to work again, I would make a > recording of it. > > On 2/10/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: >> Hahaha. Okay, maybe that is not funny, but I always find trying to make >> fake >> voices sound right amusing. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ignasi Cambra Díaz" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 10:08 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak >> >> >>>I had the 2000. It was pretty good at the time! I remember we bought it >>>straight from the US because buying it in Spain took lots of time. They >>>even sent it to me with both Spanish and French languages, but the truth >>>is >>> >>>that no matter what it spoke it always had this thick english accent. >>> On Feb 9, 2012, at 10:37 PM, >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Wow, now that takes me back. Remember the classic? >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester >>>> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 10:14 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak >>>> >>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>> Ashley brought back memories, on the bullying thread, by bringing up >>>> the Braille N Speak! >>>> I had one, in Elementary school, but I don't have it anymore. >>>> I was just wondering. >>>> Does anyone still have a Braille N Speak? >>>> I'm interested in owning one, just for collecting value. >>>> I'd be interested in purchasing one, if possible. >>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/frandi.galindo%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/frandi.galindo%40gmail.com From hope.paulos at gmail.com Fri Feb 10 16:14:53 2012 From: hope.paulos at gmail.com (Hope Paulos) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 11:14:53 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school References: <4f347250.c339320a.693d.04d8@mx.google.com><64E21CADA84C4E51BEBDD9BA3CFECFEC@OwnerPC> <595A9A1374F3457BB94EC32C84B2C9F9@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <095DE4ADE854449FB712950AC041FACF@Espy> Hello Chris. I mentioned (I think) before that I'm a high school Spanish teacher and I'm totally blind. It is none of the students' business how you take the tests. I remember when I was in middle school. Students had an issue with my Braille embosser and my use of a Braille n' speak to do work. They didn't like the noise of the embosser and they too thought I was cheating on tests. A PET meeting was called and the school wasn't much help either. As far as your situation is concerned, there are several things you can do to prevent these accusations. I'm not sure what type of note-taker you have but you could offer to hook it up to a monitor so that the teacher could vouch for you.In no way am I accusing you of cheating, but it's always good to have that visual back-up and proof. Education also needs to be done. I think the students are just being cruel and inconsiderate. I hope this helps.. Sorry for rambling. Hope Paulos ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > How else is some one who has vision problems or who is blind suppose to > take notes in schools with out some kind of device that assists them in > doing so. Do people expect them to bust out a pencil and a sheet of paper > and start printing or cursive like the rest of them? Educate. That’s the > magic word. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home > Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 1:52 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > Actually, I think that there is a problem if you cannot be trusted to not > cheat when using a notetaker on a test. If people cannot trust you with > something like that, they probably cannot trust you with other things. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 6:40 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > >> Well, it is easy to cheat with a notetaker and I'm surprised blind >> students these days are let to take tests with them. >> When I was in middle and high school, I was not allowed to use my braille >> n speak on exams. >> That said, these students have no business accusing any one of cheating. >> They need to focus on their own work. >> If they don't have evidence of cheating, they cannot do anything about it >> anyway. Just say you are not cheating and go on. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Beth >> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 8:26 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> Chris, >> Cheating on tests is a huge thing. IF these kids are trying to >> tarnish your academic integrity, you need to tell the principal >> once again. She will have to educate the kids about blindness >> and academic integrity issues. This is important as you will >> need academic integrity in order to go on to college and >> university and if caught at university doing this, they will >> penalize you and kick you out. Every sylabus at college I saw >> had an Academic Integrity policy on it, and that should be said >> of middle school. >> Beth >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Chris Nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list> Date sent: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:18:17 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> Hi Ashley, >> >> I agree. I don't think this is something which is effecting my >> right to a "free and appropriate education," and therefore >> wouldn't be appropriate for an IEP or to even be brought up at >> the IEP meeting; that is, unless it happens again and again. As >> I reported here last week, I have talked with my principal about >> this, and she has promised to take care of this. I trust that >> she will, so I'm letting it go for now. >> >> Also, after more recent events have happened, the pretzel >> incident seems like a pretty small matter. I won't go through >> all the details, but basically other students at my school have >> been falsely accusing me of cheating on tests (that is, looking >> at notes I take in my notetaker during tests) and being "let off >> the hook" on classwork when I'm really in a pullout class. These >> kids really need to be educated! >> >> Chris >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> Email and Google Talk/Keychat (on the BrailleNote) ID: >> dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com >> Skype: christpher.nusbaum3 or search for Chris Nusbaum >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >> nuisance." >> -- Kenneth Jernigan >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Date sent: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 23:30:25 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> Chris, >> If it happens again and again, then bring it to the IEP team. >> But if not, >> I'd let it go. I mean you let the top official-- the principal >> know. So I >> think that is enough. Its not as if the Iep team will do >> anything more; and >> besides most of them such as your parents and TVI already know >> about the >> issues. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Chris Nusbaum >> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:07 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> You're right; it wouldn't be something to put in my IEP. But do >> you think it would hurt to bring it up to the team? >> >> Chris >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >> nuisance." >> -- Kenneth Jernigan >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Date sent: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 15:09:51 -0800 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> This is not the kind of thing that you put in an IEP. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Hope Paulos" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 4:48 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> >> Hi Chris. I'm assuming you're in high school.. I'd go to >> both your >> principal and your guidance counselor. I wouldn't talk to him >> directly-- I >> think he'd get more dicipline if you had the principal talk to >> him. I'd >> also bring it up during your IEP/PET. >> HTH >> Hope and Beignet >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Beth" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:54 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> >> I knew this kid, speaking of criminals who were playground and >> school >> bullies, who was always harassing me, got mein trouble at lunch >> one day in >> elementary school, and later went on to rape somebody and go to >> jail for >> it. >> Beth >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Desiree Oudinot > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 18:41:07 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> When I was in elementary school, I had kids stealing books from >> me, >> throwing erasers in my hair, pulling chairs out from under me, >> you >> name it, they did it. The worst part was that most times, my >> teachers >> were right there, and refused to do anything about it, because >> they >> too were uncomfortable with my blindness, so why should they >> intervene? I say this because it wasn't so long ago that this >> happened >> to me. I grew up in the 90's, before bullying was the huge deal >> it is >> now, but still close enough to the events of Columbine that it >> wasn't >> completely unheard of either. And it was as "unacceptable" then >> as it >> is now. Yes, I put unacceptable in quotes, because guess what, >> it >> happens every day and so little of it is actually dealt with. >> Meanwhile, things that are no real problem at all are resulting >> in >> criminal records, such as a case I heard about recently where a >> boy >> gave his friend a hug in school and was charged with sexual >> harassment. I forget their exact ages, but they were young, >> elementary >> school age. And yet, kids are driven to suicide, depression, >> drugs, >> and every other dysfunction in the book, because they're bullied >> mercilessly every day and no one will do anything about it. >> Why do I say all this? I say it because I hope your school isn't >> like >> mine was. I hope that someone in authority actually cares. I >> hope that >> it doesn't escalate, because most kids have a cruel streak. I >> think >> it's true what they say about the impulsiveness of >> adolescents--it's >> human nature to be cruel, and at that age, most of us haven't >> learned >> how to control those impulses or aggressions, making them the >> most >> prone not only to selfishness and thoughtlessness, but to almost >> animal rage, not to mention an inability to see beyond their own >> actions to how they might be affecting others. My point is, >> people >> like this have to be stopped. Perhaps if something can get >> through to >> them while they're still young and impressionable, they might >> not grow >> up to be tomorrow's criminals. Or maybe they will, who knows. >> But I've >> seen enough to know what usually happens in these situations, >> even if >> it was 15 years ago; and, in saying that, I hope things have >> evolved >> at least a little bit since then. It makes me sick to read >> messages >> like this. I hope for your sake that these small actions do not >> go >> untouched. Right now this kid is probably testing the waters, >> seeing >> just how much he can get away with. If he can steal a pack of >> gum, so >> to speak, he may try to steal a candy bar next, then a bag of >> chips, >> and on and on it goes, you get the picture. >> >> On 2/1/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >> Chris, I know what you're going through. >> I had a girl, put a dead frog in my shirt, as we were playing >> outside, >> (I was in elementary school, when that happened.) >> Go to your principal, and he/she should do something. >> This stuff has got to stop! >> If they don't do anything, go in front of the schoolboard! >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 2/1/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> I had a problem at school today that I'd like to get your >> thoughts on as to what I should do next. Today during lunch, >> another kid at my table dumped his bag of pretzels into my water >> bottle without my knowing; he must have thought it was some kind >> of funny prank. Fortunately, I was sitting next to a good >> friend >> of mine, who told me about this. Even after multiple people >> commented negatively about what he did, he said nothing. >> >> Variations on this have happened before with this same kid as >> the >> perpetrater; only once before today this school year and 3 times >> last year. The one time something like this happened this year, >> he put his dirty napkin in my Yogurt cup (after I had finished >> eating the Yogurt) without saying anything. The first time >> (with >> the napkin,) I realized that this had happened as I was getting >> my trash together to throw it away. Knowing who did it, since >> he'd done this kind of thing before last year, I said, "(Insert >> name,) why is your napkin in my Yogurt?" Knowing that he had >> been >> caught, he replied, "Oh... sorry." I then talked to the lunch >> lady who is in charge of supervising all of us in the lunchroom. >> She said she would talk to him. I wasn't there when she did, >> but >> apparently she had, as the problem (for about a month and a >> half) >> had been resolved... that is, until today. >> >> I feel that this is a person taking advantage of my blindness >> and >> playing a "prank" on me knowing that I won't catch him. So, >> what >> do you think I should do next? Should I go to our principal? >> Should I talk to him directly? Any suggestions would be greatly >> appreciated! >> Thanks, >> >> Chris >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >> nuisance." >> -- Kenneth Jernigan >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >> 0students.pccua.edu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17 >> %40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo >> se%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%4 >> 0gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40 >> wavecable.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >> m%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 >> 0earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >> m%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo >> se%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/frandi.galindo%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com > From turtlepower17 at gmail.com Fri Feb 10 17:22:08 2012 From: turtlepower17 at gmail.com (Desiree Oudinot) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 12:22:08 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school In-Reply-To: <095DE4ADE854449FB712950AC041FACF@Espy> References: <4f347250.c339320a.693d.04d8@mx.google.com> <64E21CADA84C4E51BEBDD9BA3CFECFEC@OwnerPC> <595A9A1374F3457BB94EC32C84B2C9F9@OwnerPC> <095DE4ADE854449FB712950AC041FACF@Espy> Message-ID: Well, I didn't say that every situation calls for violence. Certainly not the situation that was the original topic of this thread. I think what I and others were saying was that in some cases, reporting it only escalates the situation. Hopefully that won't happen in this case. Before I had a note taker, I had to use a good old-fashioned Braille writer in school. When I had to do that, the kids would flick erasers and rubber bands and other stuff at me because they said the noise was preventing them from learning. I always thought, well, if you weren't so busy making me a target, maybe you would learn something. or maybe you all are just too damn stupid. As far as cheating on tests went, there were a few people who accused me of it because I had a note taker, but that was the least of my problems, so I never paid any attention to it. On 2/10/12, Hope Paulos wrote: > Hello Chris. I mentioned (I think) before that I'm a high school Spanish > teacher and I'm totally blind. It is none of the students' business how you > take the tests. I remember when I was in middle school. Students had an > issue with my Braille embosser and my use of a Braille n' speak to do work. > They didn't like the noise of the embosser and they too thought I was > cheating on tests. A PET meeting was called and the school wasn't much help > either. As far as your situation is concerned, there are several things you > can do to prevent these accusations. I'm not sure what type of note-taker > you have but you could offer to hook it up to a monitor so that the teacher > could vouch for you.In no way am I accusing you of cheating, but it's > always good to have that visual back-up and proof. Education also > needs to be done. I think the students are just being cruel and > inconsiderate. I hope this helps.. Sorry for rambling. > Hope Paulos > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 10:58 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > >> How else is some one who has vision problems or who is blind suppose to >> take notes in schools with out some kind of device that assists them in >> doing so. Do people expect them to bust out a pencil and a sheet of paper >> and start printing or cursive like the rest of them? Educate. That’s the >> >> magic word. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home >> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 1:52 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> Actually, I think that there is a problem if you cannot be trusted to not >> cheat when using a notetaker on a test. If people cannot trust you with >> something like that, they probably cannot trust you with other things. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ashley Bramlett" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 6:40 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> >>> Well, it is easy to cheat with a notetaker and I'm surprised blind >>> students these days are let to take tests with them. >>> When I was in middle and high school, I was not allowed to use my braille >>> >>> n speak on exams. >>> That said, these students have no business accusing any one of cheating. >>> They need to focus on their own work. >>> If they don't have evidence of cheating, they cannot do anything about it >>> >>> anyway. Just say you are not cheating and go on. >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Beth >>> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 8:26 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>> >>> Chris, >>> Cheating on tests is a huge thing. IF these kids are trying to >>> tarnish your academic integrity, you need to tell the principal >>> once again. She will have to educate the kids about blindness >>> and academic integrity issues. This is important as you will >>> need academic integrity in order to go on to college and >>> university and if caught at university doing this, they will >>> penalize you and kick you out. Every sylabus at college I saw >>> had an Academic Integrity policy on it, and that should be said >>> of middle school. >>> Beth >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Chris Nusbaum >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> list>> Date sent: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:18:17 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>> >>> Hi Ashley, >>> >>> I agree. I don't think this is something which is effecting my >>> right to a "free and appropriate education," and therefore >>> wouldn't be appropriate for an IEP or to even be brought up at >>> the IEP meeting; that is, unless it happens again and again. As >>> I reported here last week, I have talked with my principal about >>> this, and she has promised to take care of this. I trust that >>> she will, so I'm letting it go for now. >>> >>> Also, after more recent events have happened, the pretzel >>> incident seems like a pretty small matter. I won't go through >>> all the details, but basically other students at my school have >>> been falsely accusing me of cheating on tests (that is, looking >>> at notes I take in my notetaker during tests) and being "let off >>> the hook" on classwork when I'm really in a pullout class. These >>> kids really need to be educated! >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> Email and Google Talk/Keychat (on the BrailleNote) ID: >>> dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com >>> Skype: christpher.nusbaum3 or search for Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>> nuisance." >>> -- Kenneth Jernigan >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Date sent: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 23:30:25 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>> >>> Chris, >>> If it happens again and again, then bring it to the IEP team. >>> But if not, >>> I'd let it go. I mean you let the top official-- the principal >>> know. So I >>> think that is enough. Its not as if the Iep team will do >>> anything more; and >>> besides most of them such as your parents and TVI already know >>> about the >>> issues. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Chris Nusbaum >>> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:07 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>> >>> You're right; it wouldn't be something to put in my IEP. But do >>> you think it would hurt to bring it up to the team? >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>> nuisance." >>> -- Kenneth Jernigan >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Date sent: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 15:09:51 -0800 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>> >>> This is not the kind of thing that you put in an IEP. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Hope Paulos" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 4:48 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>> >>> >>> Hi Chris. I'm assuming you're in high school.. I'd go to >>> both your >>> principal and your guidance counselor. I wouldn't talk to him >>> directly-- I >>> think he'd get more dicipline if you had the principal talk to >>> him. I'd >>> also bring it up during your IEP/PET. >>> HTH >>> Hope and Beignet >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Beth" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:54 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>> >>> >>> I knew this kid, speaking of criminals who were playground and >>> school >>> bullies, who was always harassing me, got mein trouble at lunch >>> one day in >>> elementary school, and later went on to rape somebody and go to >>> jail for >>> it. >>> Beth >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Desiree Oudinot >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 18:41:07 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>> >>> When I was in elementary school, I had kids stealing books from >>> me, >>> throwing erasers in my hair, pulling chairs out from under me, >>> you >>> name it, they did it. The worst part was that most times, my >>> teachers >>> were right there, and refused to do anything about it, because >>> they >>> too were uncomfortable with my blindness, so why should they >>> intervene? I say this because it wasn't so long ago that this >>> happened >>> to me. I grew up in the 90's, before bullying was the huge deal >>> it is >>> now, but still close enough to the events of Columbine that it >>> wasn't >>> completely unheard of either. And it was as "unacceptable" then >>> as it >>> is now. Yes, I put unacceptable in quotes, because guess what, >>> it >>> happens every day and so little of it is actually dealt with. >>> Meanwhile, things that are no real problem at all are resulting >>> in >>> criminal records, such as a case I heard about recently where a >>> boy >>> gave his friend a hug in school and was charged with sexual >>> harassment. I forget their exact ages, but they were young, >>> elementary >>> school age. And yet, kids are driven to suicide, depression, >>> drugs, >>> and every other dysfunction in the book, because they're bullied >>> mercilessly every day and no one will do anything about it. >>> Why do I say all this? I say it because I hope your school isn't >>> like >>> mine was. I hope that someone in authority actually cares. I >>> hope that >>> it doesn't escalate, because most kids have a cruel streak. I >>> think >>> it's true what they say about the impulsiveness of >>> adolescents--it's >>> human nature to be cruel, and at that age, most of us haven't >>> learned >>> how to control those impulses or aggressions, making them the >>> most >>> prone not only to selfishness and thoughtlessness, but to almost >>> animal rage, not to mention an inability to see beyond their own >>> actions to how they might be affecting others. My point is, >>> people >>> like this have to be stopped. Perhaps if something can get >>> through to >>> them while they're still young and impressionable, they might >>> not grow >>> up to be tomorrow's criminals. Or maybe they will, who knows. >>> But I've >>> seen enough to know what usually happens in these situations, >>> even if >>> it was 15 years ago; and, in saying that, I hope things have >>> evolved >>> at least a little bit since then. It makes me sick to read >>> messages >>> like this. I hope for your sake that these small actions do not >>> go >>> untouched. Right now this kid is probably testing the waters, >>> seeing >>> just how much he can get away with. If he can steal a pack of >>> gum, so >>> to speak, he may try to steal a candy bar next, then a bag of >>> chips, >>> and on and on it goes, you get the picture. >>> >>> On 2/1/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> Chris, I know what you're going through. >>> I had a girl, put a dead frog in my shirt, as we were playing >>> outside, >>> (I was in elementary school, when that happened.) >>> Go to your principal, and he/she should do something. >>> This stuff has got to stop! >>> If they don't do anything, go in front of the schoolboard! >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 2/1/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> I had a problem at school today that I'd like to get your >>> thoughts on as to what I should do next. Today during lunch, >>> another kid at my table dumped his bag of pretzels into my water >>> bottle without my knowing; he must have thought it was some kind >>> of funny prank. Fortunately, I was sitting next to a good >>> friend >>> of mine, who told me about this. Even after multiple people >>> commented negatively about what he did, he said nothing. >>> >>> Variations on this have happened before with this same kid as >>> the >>> perpetrater; only once before today this school year and 3 times >>> last year. The one time something like this happened this year, >>> he put his dirty napkin in my Yogurt cup (after I had finished >>> eating the Yogurt) without saying anything. The first time >>> (with >>> the napkin,) I realized that this had happened as I was getting >>> my trash together to throw it away. Knowing who did it, since >>> he'd done this kind of thing before last year, I said, "(Insert >>> name,) why is your napkin in my Yogurt?" Knowing that he had >>> been >>> caught, he replied, "Oh... sorry." I then talked to the lunch >>> lady who is in charge of supervising all of us in the lunchroom. >>> She said she would talk to him. I wasn't there when she did, >>> but >>> apparently she had, as the problem (for about a month and a >>> half) >>> had been resolved... that is, until today. >>> >>> I feel that this is a person taking advantage of my blindness >>> and >>> playing a "prank" on me knowing that I won't catch him. So, >>> what >>> do you think I should do next? Should I go to our principal? >>> Should I talk to him directly? Any suggestions would be greatly >>> appreciated! >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>> exists. 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10 17:42:15 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 12:42:15 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school In-Reply-To: <595A9A1374F3457BB94EC32C84B2C9F9@OwnerPC> References: <4f347250.c339320a.693d.04d8@mx.google.com><64E21CADA84C4E51BEBDD9BA3CFECFEC@OwnerPC> <595A9A1374F3457BB94EC32C84B2C9F9@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <5139957F6E88447A8E0B91FA7FA21146@OwnerPC> Hi, Well, I think there needs to be supervision of these notetakers if they are used in test situations. I think a monitor should be hooked up to the notetaker for monitoring. Alternatively you can take tests a number of different ways in high school; I am glad I did not use my notetaker as the temptation to look at notes would be there and besides I firmly believe one needs to keep up their hard copy braille skills and not rely on notetakers all the time. BTW, you do not use a notetaker in college; you use a computer or a reader for tests. You cannot use your own PDA such as a braille notetaker or personal laptop either; at least where I went to school you do not because they know you have personal and school info on your laptop, notetaker, I Pad, etc. Why should blind students get to use electronic equipment when the rest of the class has to write by hand? You have an advantage if you use a pc or notetaker because you can edit your work. Instead of a notetaker you can take tests these ways and eliminate the questions that you might be cheating: 1. Have your TVI, teacher of the visually impaired, read it to you. 2. Have an aide read it to you if one works with you. 3. If you have to write, you write on a brailler and your TVI transcribes it. Oh what a concept; write by hand like everyone else! 4. Read it in braille and mark your answers in braille on a brailler. You can also mark your answers with a crayone or something else. 5. Take the test on a school issued computer that has none of your study notes on it. That said I'm sure no cheating is going on; but just saying if you want to eliminate suspicions, you do not use your own notetaker which has your notes on it. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: frandi.galindo at gmail.com Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 10:58 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school How else is some one who has vision problems or who is blind suppose to take notes in schools with out some kind of device that assists them in doing so. Do people expect them to bust out a pencil and a sheet of paper and start printing or cursive like the rest of them? Educate. That’s the magic word. -----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 1:52 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school Actually, I think that there is a problem if you cannot be trusted to not cheat when using a notetaker on a test. If people cannot trust you with something like that, they probably cannot trust you with other things. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 6:40 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > Well, it is easy to cheat with a notetaker and I'm surprised blind > students these days are let to take tests with them. > When I was in middle and high school, I was not allowed to use my braille > n speak on exams. > That said, these students have no business accusing any one of cheating. > They need to focus on their own work. > If they don't have evidence of cheating, they cannot do anything about it > anyway. Just say you are not cheating and go on. > -----Original Message----- > From: Beth > Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 8:26 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > Chris, > Cheating on tests is a huge thing. IF these kids are trying to > tarnish your academic integrity, you need to tell the principal > once again. She will have to educate the kids about blindness > and academic integrity issues. This is important as you will > need academic integrity in order to go on to college and > university and if caught at university doing this, they will > penalize you and kick you out. Every sylabus at college I saw > had an Academic Integrity policy on it, and that should be said > of middle school. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris Nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list Date sent: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:18:17 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > Hi Ashley, > > I agree. I don't think this is something which is effecting my > right to a "free and appropriate education," and therefore > wouldn't be appropriate for an IEP or to even be brought up at > the IEP meeting; that is, unless it happens again and again. As > I reported here last week, I have talked with my principal about > this, and she has promised to take care of this. I trust that > she will, so I'm letting it go for now. > > Also, after more recent events have happened, the pretzel > incident seems like a pretty small matter. I won't go through > all the details, but basically other students at my school have > been falsely accusing me of cheating on tests (that is, looking > at notes I take in my notetaker during tests) and being "let off > the hook" on classwork when I'm really in a pullout class. These > kids really need to be educated! > > Chris > > Chris Nusbaum > Email and Google Talk/Keychat (on the BrailleNote) ID: > dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com > Skype: christpher.nusbaum3 or search for Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 23:30:25 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > Chris, > If it happens again and again, then bring it to the IEP team. > But if not, > I'd let it go. I mean you let the top official-- the principal > know. So I > think that is enough. Its not as if the Iep team will do > anything more; and > besides most of them such as your parents and TVI already know > about the > issues. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:07 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > You're right; it wouldn't be something to put in my IEP. But do > you think it would hurt to bring it up to the team? > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 15:09:51 -0800 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > This is not the kind of thing that you put in an IEP. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hope Paulos" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 4:48 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > > Hi Chris. I'm assuming you're in high school.. I'd go to > both your > principal and your guidance counselor. I wouldn't talk to him > directly-- I > think he'd get more dicipline if you had the principal talk to > him. I'd > also bring it up during your IEP/PET. > HTH > Hope and Beignet > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Beth" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:54 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > > I knew this kid, speaking of criminals who were playground and > school > bullies, who was always harassing me, got mein trouble at lunch > one day in > elementary school, and later went on to rape somebody and go to > jail for > it. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Desiree Oudinot To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 18:41:07 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > When I was in elementary school, I had kids stealing books from > me, > throwing erasers in my hair, pulling chairs out from under me, > you > name it, they did it. The worst part was that most times, my > teachers > were right there, and refused to do anything about it, because > they > too were uncomfortable with my blindness, so why should they > intervene? I say this because it wasn't so long ago that this > happened > to me. I grew up in the 90's, before bullying was the huge deal > it is > now, but still close enough to the events of Columbine that it > wasn't > completely unheard of either. And it was as "unacceptable" then > as it > is now. Yes, I put unacceptable in quotes, because guess what, > it > happens every day and so little of it is actually dealt with. > Meanwhile, things that are no real problem at all are resulting > in > criminal records, such as a case I heard about recently where a > boy > gave his friend a hug in school and was charged with sexual > harassment. I forget their exact ages, but they were young, > elementary > school age. And yet, kids are driven to suicide, depression, > drugs, > and every other dysfunction in the book, because they're bullied > mercilessly every day and no one will do anything about it. > Why do I say all this? I say it because I hope your school isn't > like > mine was. I hope that someone in authority actually cares. I > hope that > it doesn't escalate, because most kids have a cruel streak. I > think > it's true what they say about the impulsiveness of > adolescents--it's > human nature to be cruel, and at that age, most of us haven't > learned > how to control those impulses or aggressions, making them the > most > prone not only to selfishness and thoughtlessness, but to almost > animal rage, not to mention an inability to see beyond their own > actions to how they might be affecting others. My point is, > people > like this have to be stopped. Perhaps if something can get > through to > them while they're still young and impressionable, they might > not grow > up to be tomorrow's criminals. Or maybe they will, who knows. > But I've > seen enough to know what usually happens in these situations, > even if > it was 15 years ago; and, in saying that, I hope things have > evolved > at least a little bit since then. It makes me sick to read > messages > like this. I hope for your sake that these small actions do not > go > untouched. Right now this kid is probably testing the waters, > seeing > just how much he can get away with. If he can steal a pack of > gum, so > to speak, he may try to steal a candy bar next, then a bag of > chips, > and on and on it goes, you get the picture. > > On 2/1/12, Joshua Lester wrote: > Chris, I know what you're going through. > I had a girl, put a dead frog in my shirt, as we were playing > outside, > (I was in elementary school, when that happened.) > Go to your principal, and he/she should do something. > This stuff has got to stop! > If they don't do anything, go in front of the schoolboard! > Blessings, Joshua > > On 2/1/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I had a problem at school today that I'd like to get your > thoughts on as to what I should do next. Today during lunch, > another kid at my table dumped his bag of pretzels into my water > bottle without my knowing; he must have thought it was some kind > of funny prank. Fortunately, I was sitting next to a good > friend > of mine, who told me about this. Even after multiple people > commented negatively about what he did, he said nothing. > > Variations on this have happened before with this same kid as > the > perpetrater; only once before today this school year and 3 times > last year. The one time something like this happened this year, > he put his dirty napkin in my Yogurt cup (after I had finished > eating the Yogurt) without saying anything. The first time > (with > the napkin,) I realized that this had happened as I was getting > my trash together to throw it away. Knowing who did it, since > he'd done this kind of thing before last year, I said, "(Insert > name,) why is your napkin in my Yogurt?" Knowing that he had > been > caught, he replied, "Oh... sorry." I then talked to the lunch > lady who is in charge of supervising all of us in the lunchroom. > She said she would talk to him. I wasn't there when she did, > but > apparently she had, as the problem (for about a month and a > half) > had been resolved... that is, until today. > > I feel that this is a person taking advantage of my blindness > and > playing a "prank" on me knowing that I won't catch him. So, > what > do you think I should do next? Should I go to our principal? > Should I talk to him directly? Any suggestions would be greatly > appreciated! > Thanks, > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17 > %40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get 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http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/frandi.galindo%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Feb 10 17:43:39 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 12:43:39 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school In-Reply-To: <095DE4ADE854449FB712950AC041FACF@Espy> References: <4f347250.c339320a.693d.04d8@mx.google.com><64E21CADA84C4E51BEBDD9BA3CFECFEC@OwnerPC><595A9A1374F3457BB94EC32C84B2C9F9@OwnerPC> <095DE4ADE854449FB712950AC041FACF@Espy> Message-ID: <29D82C41F974473BB1E90C2B11BFDA9B@OwnerPC> exactly, visual verification always helps or just take the test with a hard copy and read braille that way. -----Original Message----- From: Hope Paulos Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 11:14 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school Hello Chris. I mentioned (I think) before that I'm a high school Spanish teacher and I'm totally blind. It is none of the students' business how you take the tests. I remember when I was in middle school. Students had an issue with my Braille embosser and my use of a Braille n' speak to do work. They didn't like the noise of the embosser and they too thought I was cheating on tests. A PET meeting was called and the school wasn't much help either. As far as your situation is concerned, there are several things you can do to prevent these accusations. I'm not sure what type of note-taker you have but you could offer to hook it up to a monitor so that the teacher could vouch for you.In no way am I accusing you of cheating, but it's always good to have that visual back-up and proof. Education also needs to be done. I think the students are just being cruel and inconsiderate. I hope this helps.. Sorry for rambling. Hope Paulos ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > How else is some one who has vision problems or who is blind suppose to > take notes in schools with out some kind of device that assists them in > doing so. Do people expect them to bust out a pencil and a sheet of paper > and start printing or cursive like the rest of them? Educate. That’s the > magic word. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home > Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 1:52 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > Actually, I think that there is a problem if you cannot be trusted to not > cheat when using a notetaker on a test. If people cannot trust you with > something like that, they probably cannot trust you with other things. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 6:40 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > >> Well, it is easy to cheat with a notetaker and I'm surprised blind >> students these days are let to take tests with them. >> When I was in middle and high school, I was not allowed to use my braille >> n speak on exams. >> That said, these students have no business accusing any one of cheating. >> They need to focus on their own work. >> If they don't have evidence of cheating, they cannot do anything about it >> anyway. Just say you are not cheating and go on. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Beth >> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 8:26 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> Chris, >> Cheating on tests is a huge thing. IF these kids are trying to >> tarnish your academic integrity, you need to tell the principal >> once again. She will have to educate the kids about blindness >> and academic integrity issues. This is important as you will >> need academic integrity in order to go on to college and >> university and if caught at university doing this, they will >> penalize you and kick you out. Every sylabus at college I saw >> had an Academic Integrity policy on it, and that should be said >> of middle school. >> Beth >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Chris Nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list> Date sent: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:18:17 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> Hi Ashley, >> >> I agree. I don't think this is something which is effecting my >> right to a "free and appropriate education," and therefore >> wouldn't be appropriate for an IEP or to even be brought up at >> the IEP meeting; that is, unless it happens again and again. As >> I reported here last week, I have talked with my principal about >> this, and she has promised to take care of this. I trust that >> she will, so I'm letting it go for now. >> >> Also, after more recent events have happened, the pretzel >> incident seems like a pretty small matter. I won't go through >> all the details, but basically other students at my school have >> been falsely accusing me of cheating on tests (that is, looking >> at notes I take in my notetaker during tests) and being "let off >> the hook" on classwork when I'm really in a pullout class. These >> kids really need to be educated! >> >> Chris >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> Email and Google Talk/Keychat (on the BrailleNote) ID: >> dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com >> Skype: christpher.nusbaum3 or search for Chris Nusbaum >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >> nuisance." >> -- Kenneth Jernigan >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Date sent: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 23:30:25 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> Chris, >> If it happens again and again, then bring it to the IEP team. >> But if not, >> I'd let it go. I mean you let the top official-- the principal >> know. So I >> think that is enough. Its not as if the Iep team will do >> anything more; and >> besides most of them such as your parents and TVI already know >> about the >> issues. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Chris Nusbaum >> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:07 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> You're right; it wouldn't be something to put in my IEP. But do >> you think it would hurt to bring it up to the team? >> >> Chris >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >> nuisance." >> -- Kenneth Jernigan >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Date sent: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 15:09:51 -0800 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> This is not the kind of thing that you put in an IEP. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Hope Paulos" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 4:48 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> >> Hi Chris. I'm assuming you're in high school.. I'd go to >> both your >> principal and your guidance counselor. I wouldn't talk to him >> directly-- I >> think he'd get more dicipline if you had the principal talk to >> him. I'd >> also bring it up during your IEP/PET. >> HTH >> Hope and Beignet >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Beth" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:54 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> >> I knew this kid, speaking of criminals who were playground and >> school >> bullies, who was always harassing me, got mein trouble at lunch >> one day in >> elementary school, and later went on to rape somebody and go to >> jail for >> it. >> Beth >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Desiree Oudinot > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 18:41:07 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> When I was in elementary school, I had kids stealing books from >> me, >> throwing erasers in my hair, pulling chairs out from under me, >> you >> name it, they did it. The worst part was that most times, my >> teachers >> were right there, and refused to do anything about it, because >> they >> too were uncomfortable with my blindness, so why should they >> intervene? I say this because it wasn't so long ago that this >> happened >> to me. I grew up in the 90's, before bullying was the huge deal >> it is >> now, but still close enough to the events of Columbine that it >> wasn't >> completely unheard of either. And it was as "unacceptable" then >> as it >> is now. Yes, I put unacceptable in quotes, because guess what, >> it >> happens every day and so little of it is actually dealt with. >> Meanwhile, things that are no real problem at all are resulting >> in >> criminal records, such as a case I heard about recently where a >> boy >> gave his friend a hug in school and was charged with sexual >> harassment. I forget their exact ages, but they were young, >> elementary >> school age. And yet, kids are driven to suicide, depression, >> drugs, >> and every other dysfunction in the book, because they're bullied >> mercilessly every day and no one will do anything about it. >> Why do I say all this? I say it because I hope your school isn't >> like >> mine was. I hope that someone in authority actually cares. I >> hope that >> it doesn't escalate, because most kids have a cruel streak. I >> think >> it's true what they say about the impulsiveness of >> adolescents--it's >> human nature to be cruel, and at that age, most of us haven't >> learned >> how to control those impulses or aggressions, making them the >> most >> prone not only to selfishness and thoughtlessness, but to almost >> animal rage, not to mention an inability to see beyond their own >> actions to how they might be affecting others. My point is, >> people >> like this have to be stopped. Perhaps if something can get >> through to >> them while they're still young and impressionable, they might >> not grow >> up to be tomorrow's criminals. Or maybe they will, who knows. >> But I've >> seen enough to know what usually happens in these situations, >> even if >> it was 15 years ago; and, in saying that, I hope things have >> evolved >> at least a little bit since then. It makes me sick to read >> messages >> like this. I hope for your sake that these small actions do not >> go >> untouched. Right now this kid is probably testing the waters, >> seeing >> just how much he can get away with. If he can steal a pack of >> gum, so >> to speak, he may try to steal a candy bar next, then a bag of >> chips, >> and on and on it goes, you get the picture. >> >> On 2/1/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >> Chris, I know what you're going through. >> I had a girl, put a dead frog in my shirt, as we were playing >> outside, >> (I was in elementary school, when that happened.) >> Go to your principal, and he/she should do something. >> This stuff has got to stop! >> If they don't do anything, go in front of the schoolboard! >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 2/1/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> I had a problem at school today that I'd like to get your >> thoughts on as to what I should do next. Today during lunch, >> another kid at my table dumped his bag of pretzels into my water >> bottle without my knowing; he must have thought it was some kind >> of funny prank. Fortunately, I was sitting next to a good >> friend >> of mine, who told me about this. Even after multiple people >> commented negatively about what he did, he said nothing. >> >> Variations on this have happened before with this same kid as >> the >> perpetrater; only once before today this school year and 3 times >> last year. The one time something like this happened this year, >> he put his dirty napkin in my Yogurt cup (after I had finished >> eating the Yogurt) without saying anything. The first time >> (with >> the napkin,) I realized that this had happened as I was getting >> my trash together to throw it away. Knowing who did it, since >> he'd done this kind of thing before last year, I said, "(Insert >> name,) why is your napkin in my Yogurt?" Knowing that he had >> been >> caught, he replied, "Oh... sorry." I then talked to the lunch >> lady who is in charge of supervising all of us in the lunchroom. >> She said she would talk to him. I wasn't there when she did, >> but >> apparently she had, as the problem (for about a month and a >> half) >> had been resolved... that is, until today. >> >> I feel that this is a person taking advantage of my blindness >> and >> playing a "prank" on me knowing that I won't catch him. So, >> what >> do you think I should do next? Should I go to our principal? >> Should I talk to him directly? Any suggestions would be greatly >> appreciated! >> Thanks, >> >> Chris >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >> nuisance." >> -- Kenneth Jernigan >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >> 0students.pccua.edu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17 >> %40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To 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options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/frandi.galindo%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From hope.paulos at gmail.com Fri Feb 10 18:31:43 2012 From: hope.paulos at gmail.com (Hope Paulos) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 13:31:43 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school References: <4f347250.c339320a.693d.04d8@mx.google.com><64E21CADA84C4E51BEBDD9BA3CFECFEC@OwnerPC><595A9A1374F3457BB94EC32C84B2C9F9@OwnerPC> <5139957F6E88447A8E0B91FA7FA21146@OwnerPC> Message-ID: The only problem I see with using a hard-copy Brailled test answer sheet is if you have an itinerant tvi is that if they only come one or two times a week,, there's going to be a delay on receiving grades on tests. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > Hi, > Well, I think there needs to be supervision of these notetakers if they > are used in test situations. > I think a monitor should be hooked up to the notetaker for monitoring. > Alternatively you can take tests a number of different ways in high > school; I am glad I did not use my notetaker as the temptation to look at > notes would be there and besides I firmly believe one needs to keep up > their hard copy braille skills and not rely on notetakers all the time. > BTW, you do not use a notetaker in college; you use a computer or a reader > for tests. You cannot use your own PDA such as a braille notetaker or > personal laptop either; at least where I went to school you do not because > they know you have personal and school info on your laptop, notetaker, I > Pad, etc. > > Why should blind students get to use electronic equipment when the rest of > the class has to write by hand? > You have an advantage if you use a pc or notetaker because you can edit > your work. > > Instead of a notetaker you can take tests these ways and eliminate the > questions that you might be cheating: > 1. Have your TVI, teacher of the visually impaired, read it to you. > 2. Have an aide read it to you if one works with you. > 3. If you have to write, you write on a brailler and your TVI transcribes > it. Oh what a concept; write by hand like everyone else! > > 4. Read it in braille and mark your answers in braille on a brailler. You > can also mark your answers with a crayone or something else. > > 5. Take the test on a school issued computer that has none of your study > notes on it. > > That said I'm sure no cheating is going on; but just saying if you want to > eliminate suspicions, you do not use your own > notetaker which has your notes on it. > > Ashley > -----Original Message----- > From: frandi.galindo at gmail.com > Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 10:58 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > How else is some one who has vision problems or who is blind suppose to > take > notes in schools with out some kind of device that assists them in doing > so. > Do people expect them to bust out a pencil and a sheet of paper and start > printing or cursive like the rest of them? Educate. That’s the magic > word. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home > Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 1:52 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > Actually, I think that there is a problem if you cannot be trusted to not > cheat when using a notetaker on a test. If people cannot trust you with > something like that, they probably cannot trust you with other things. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 6:40 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > >> Well, it is easy to cheat with a notetaker and I'm surprised blind >> students these days are let to take tests with them. >> When I was in middle and high school, I was not allowed to use my braille >> n speak on exams. >> That said, these students have no business accusing any one of cheating. >> They need to focus on their own work. >> If they don't have evidence of cheating, they cannot do anything about it >> anyway. Just say you are not cheating and go on. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Beth >> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 8:26 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> Chris, >> Cheating on tests is a huge thing. IF these kids are trying to >> tarnish your academic integrity, you need to tell the principal >> once again. She will have to educate the kids about blindness >> and academic integrity issues. This is important as you will >> need academic integrity in order to go on to college and >> university and if caught at university doing this, they will >> penalize you and kick you out. Every sylabus at college I saw >> had an Academic Integrity policy on it, and that should be said >> of middle school. >> Beth >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Chris Nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list> Date sent: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:18:17 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> Hi Ashley, >> >> I agree. I don't think this is something which is effecting my >> right to a "free and appropriate education," and therefore >> wouldn't be appropriate for an IEP or to even be brought up at >> the IEP meeting; that is, unless it happens again and again. As >> I reported here last week, I have talked with my principal about >> this, and she has promised to take care of this. I trust that >> she will, so I'm letting it go for now. >> >> Also, after more recent events have happened, the pretzel >> incident seems like a pretty small matter. I won't go through >> all the details, but basically other students at my school have >> been falsely accusing me of cheating on tests (that is, looking >> at notes I take in my notetaker during tests) and being "let off >> the hook" on classwork when I'm really in a pullout class. These >> kids really need to be educated! >> >> Chris >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> Email and Google Talk/Keychat (on the BrailleNote) ID: >> dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com >> Skype: christpher.nusbaum3 or search for Chris Nusbaum >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >> nuisance." >> -- Kenneth Jernigan >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Date sent: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 23:30:25 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> Chris, >> If it happens again and again, then bring it to the IEP team. >> But if not, >> I'd let it go. I mean you let the top official-- the principal >> know. So I >> think that is enough. Its not as if the Iep team will do >> anything more; and >> besides most of them such as your parents and TVI already know >> about the >> issues. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Chris Nusbaum >> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:07 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> You're right; it wouldn't be something to put in my IEP. But do >> you think it would hurt to bring it up to the team? >> >> Chris >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >> nuisance." >> -- Kenneth Jernigan >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Date sent: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 15:09:51 -0800 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> This is not the kind of thing that you put in an IEP. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Hope Paulos" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 4:48 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> >> Hi Chris. I'm assuming you're in high school.. I'd go to >> both your >> principal and your guidance counselor. I wouldn't talk to him >> directly-- I >> think he'd get more dicipline if you had the principal talk to >> him. I'd >> also bring it up during your IEP/PET. >> HTH >> Hope and Beignet >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Beth" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:54 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> >> I knew this kid, speaking of criminals who were playground and >> school >> bullies, who was always harassing me, got mein trouble at lunch >> one day in >> elementary school, and later went on to rape somebody and go to >> jail for >> it. >> Beth >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Desiree Oudinot > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 18:41:07 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> When I was in elementary school, I had kids stealing books from >> me, >> throwing erasers in my hair, pulling chairs out from under me, >> you >> name it, they did it. The worst part was that most times, my >> teachers >> were right there, and refused to do anything about it, because >> they >> too were uncomfortable with my blindness, so why should they >> intervene? I say this because it wasn't so long ago that this >> happened >> to me. I grew up in the 90's, before bullying was the huge deal >> it is >> now, but still close enough to the events of Columbine that it >> wasn't >> completely unheard of either. And it was as "unacceptable" then >> as it >> is now. Yes, I put unacceptable in quotes, because guess what, >> it >> happens every day and so little of it is actually dealt with. >> Meanwhile, things that are no real problem at all are resulting >> in >> criminal records, such as a case I heard about recently where a >> boy >> gave his friend a hug in school and was charged with sexual >> harassment. I forget their exact ages, but they were young, >> elementary >> school age. And yet, kids are driven to suicide, depression, >> drugs, >> and every other dysfunction in the book, because they're bullied >> mercilessly every day and no one will do anything about it. >> Why do I say all this? I say it because I hope your school isn't >> like >> mine was. I hope that someone in authority actually cares. I >> hope that >> it doesn't escalate, because most kids have a cruel streak. I >> think >> it's true what they say about the impulsiveness of >> adolescents--it's >> human nature to be cruel, and at that age, most of us haven't >> learned >> how to control those impulses or aggressions, making them the >> most >> prone not only to selfishness and thoughtlessness, but to almost >> animal rage, not to mention an inability to see beyond their own >> actions to how they might be affecting others. My point is, >> people >> like this have to be stopped. Perhaps if something can get >> through to >> them while they're still young and impressionable, they might >> not grow >> up to be tomorrow's criminals. Or maybe they will, who knows. >> But I've >> seen enough to know what usually happens in these situations, >> even if >> it was 15 years ago; and, in saying that, I hope things have >> evolved >> at least a little bit since then. It makes me sick to read >> messages >> like this. I hope for your sake that these small actions do not >> go >> untouched. Right now this kid is probably testing the waters, >> seeing >> just how much he can get away with. If he can steal a pack of >> gum, so >> to speak, he may try to steal a candy bar next, then a bag of >> chips, >> and on and on it goes, you get the picture. >> >> On 2/1/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >> Chris, I know what you're going through. >> I had a girl, put a dead frog in my shirt, as we were playing >> outside, >> (I was in elementary school, when that happened.) >> Go to your principal, and he/she should do something. >> This stuff has got to stop! >> If they don't do anything, go in front of the schoolboard! >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 2/1/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> I had a problem at school today that I'd like to get your >> thoughts on as to what I should do next. Today during lunch, >> another kid at my table dumped his bag of pretzels into my water >> bottle without my knowing; he must have thought it was some kind >> of funny prank. Fortunately, I was sitting next to a good >> friend >> of mine, who told me about this. Even after multiple people >> commented negatively about what he did, he said nothing. >> >> Variations on this have happened before with this same kid as >> the >> perpetrater; only once before today this school year and 3 times >> last year. The one time something like this happened this year, >> he put his dirty napkin in my Yogurt cup (after I had finished >> eating the Yogurt) without saying anything. The first time >> (with >> the napkin,) I realized that this had happened as I was getting >> my trash together to throw it away. Knowing who did it, since >> he'd done this kind of thing before last year, I said, "(Insert >> name,) why is your napkin in my Yogurt?" Knowing that he had >> been >> caught, he replied, "Oh... sorry." I then talked to the lunch >> lady who is in charge of supervising all of us in the lunchroom. >> She said she would talk to him. I wasn't there when she did, >> but >> apparently she had, as the problem (for about a month and a >> half) >> had been resolved... that is, until today. >> >> I feel that this is a person taking advantage of my blindness >> and >> playing a "prank" on me knowing that I won't catch him. So, >> what >> do you think I should do next? Should I go to our principal? >> Should I talk to him directly? Any suggestions would be greatly >> appreciated! >> Thanks, >> >> Chris >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. 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options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/frandi.galindo%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com > From joshkart12 at gmail.com Fri Feb 10 18:44:03 2012 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (josh gregory) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 13:44:03 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school In-Reply-To: References: <4f347250.c339320a.693d.04d8@mx.google.com> <64E21CADA84C4E51BEBDD9BA3CFECFEC@OwnerPC> <595A9A1374F3457BB94EC32C84B2C9F9@OwnerPC> <5139957F6E88447A8E0B91FA7FA21146@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Please change subject line as from the two messages i've read here, doesn't seem to match the original post. On 2/10/12, Hope Paulos wrote: > The only problem I see with using a hard-copy Brailled test answer sheet is > if you have an itinerant tvi is that if they only come one or two times a > week,, there's going to be a delay on receiving grades on tests. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 12:42 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > >> Hi, >> Well, I think there needs to be supervision of these notetakers if they >> are used in test situations. >> I think a monitor should be hooked up to the notetaker for monitoring. >> Alternatively you can take tests a number of different ways in high >> school; I am glad I did not use my notetaker as the temptation to look at >> notes would be there and besides I firmly believe one needs to keep up >> their hard copy braille skills and not rely on notetakers all the time. >> BTW, you do not use a notetaker in college; you use a computer or a reader >> >> for tests. You cannot use your own PDA such as a braille notetaker or >> personal laptop either; at least where I went to school you do not because >> >> they know you have personal and school info on your laptop, notetaker, I >> Pad, etc. >> >> Why should blind students get to use electronic equipment when the rest of >> >> the class has to write by hand? >> You have an advantage if you use a pc or notetaker because you can edit >> your work. >> >> Instead of a notetaker you can take tests these ways and eliminate the >> questions that you might be cheating: >> 1. Have your TVI, teacher of the visually impaired, read it to you. >> 2. Have an aide read it to you if one works with you. >> 3. If you have to write, you write on a brailler and your TVI transcribes >> it. Oh what a concept; write by hand like everyone else! >> >> 4. Read it in braille and mark your answers in braille on a brailler. You >> can also mark your answers with a crayone or something else. >> >> 5. Take the test on a school issued computer that has none of your study >> notes on it. >> >> That said I'm sure no cheating is going on; but just saying if you want to >> >> eliminate suspicions, you do not use your own >> notetaker which has your notes on it. >> >> Ashley >> -----Original Message----- >> From: frandi.galindo at gmail.com >> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 10:58 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> How else is some one who has vision problems or who is blind suppose to >> take >> notes in schools with out some kind of device that assists them in doing >> so. >> Do people expect them to bust out a pencil and a sheet of paper and start >> printing or cursive like the rest of them? Educate. That’s the magic >> word. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home >> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 1:52 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> Actually, I think that there is a problem if you cannot be trusted to not >> cheat when using a notetaker on a test. If people cannot trust you with >> something like that, they probably cannot trust you with other things. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ashley Bramlett" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 6:40 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> >>> Well, it is easy to cheat with a notetaker and I'm surprised blind >>> students these days are let to take tests with them. >>> When I was in middle and high school, I was not allowed to use my braille >>> >>> n speak on exams. >>> That said, these students have no business accusing any one of cheating. >>> They need to focus on their own work. >>> If they don't have evidence of cheating, they cannot do anything about it >>> >>> anyway. Just say you are not cheating and go on. >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Beth >>> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 8:26 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>> >>> Chris, >>> Cheating on tests is a huge thing. IF these kids are trying to >>> tarnish your academic integrity, you need to tell the principal >>> once again. She will have to educate the kids about blindness >>> and academic integrity issues. This is important as you will >>> need academic integrity in order to go on to college and >>> university and if caught at university doing this, they will >>> penalize you and kick you out. Every sylabus at college I saw >>> had an Academic Integrity policy on it, and that should be said >>> of middle school. >>> Beth >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Chris Nusbaum >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> list>> Date sent: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:18:17 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>> >>> Hi Ashley, >>> >>> I agree. I don't think this is something which is effecting my >>> right to a "free and appropriate education," and therefore >>> wouldn't be appropriate for an IEP or to even be brought up at >>> the IEP meeting; that is, unless it happens again and again. As >>> I reported here last week, I have talked with my principal about >>> this, and she has promised to take care of this. I trust that >>> she will, so I'm letting it go for now. >>> >>> Also, after more recent events have happened, the pretzel >>> incident seems like a pretty small matter. I won't go through >>> all the details, but basically other students at my school have >>> been falsely accusing me of cheating on tests (that is, looking >>> at notes I take in my notetaker during tests) and being "let off >>> the hook" on classwork when I'm really in a pullout class. These >>> kids really need to be educated! >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> Email and Google Talk/Keychat (on the BrailleNote) ID: >>> dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com >>> Skype: christpher.nusbaum3 or search for Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>> nuisance." >>> -- Kenneth Jernigan >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Date sent: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 23:30:25 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>> >>> Chris, >>> If it happens again and again, then bring it to the IEP team. >>> But if not, >>> I'd let it go. I mean you let the top official-- the principal >>> know. So I >>> think that is enough. Its not as if the Iep team will do >>> anything more; and >>> besides most of them such as your parents and TVI already know >>> about the >>> issues. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Chris Nusbaum >>> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:07 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>> >>> You're right; it wouldn't be something to put in my IEP. But do >>> you think it would hurt to bring it up to the team? >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>> nuisance." >>> -- Kenneth Jernigan >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Date sent: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 15:09:51 -0800 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>> >>> This is not the kind of thing that you put in an IEP. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Hope Paulos" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 4:48 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>> >>> >>> Hi Chris. I'm assuming you're in high school.. I'd go to >>> both your >>> principal and your guidance counselor. I wouldn't talk to him >>> directly-- I >>> think he'd get more dicipline if you had the principal talk to >>> him. I'd >>> also bring it up during your IEP/PET. >>> HTH >>> Hope and Beignet >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Beth" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:54 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>> >>> >>> I knew this kid, speaking of criminals who were playground and >>> school >>> bullies, who was always harassing me, got mein trouble at lunch >>> one day in >>> elementary school, and later went on to rape somebody and go to >>> jail for >>> it. >>> Beth >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Desiree Oudinot >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 18:41:07 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>> >>> When I was in elementary school, I had kids stealing books from >>> me, >>> throwing erasers in my hair, pulling chairs out from under me, >>> you >>> name it, they did it. The worst part was that most times, my >>> teachers >>> were right there, and refused to do anything about it, because >>> they >>> too were uncomfortable with my blindness, so why should they >>> intervene? I say this because it wasn't so long ago that this >>> happened >>> to me. I grew up in the 90's, before bullying was the huge deal >>> it is >>> now, but still close enough to the events of Columbine that it >>> wasn't >>> completely unheard of either. And it was as "unacceptable" then >>> as it >>> is now. Yes, I put unacceptable in quotes, because guess what, >>> it >>> happens every day and so little of it is actually dealt with. >>> Meanwhile, things that are no real problem at all are resulting >>> in >>> criminal records, such as a case I heard about recently where a >>> boy >>> gave his friend a hug in school and was charged with sexual >>> harassment. I forget their exact ages, but they were young, >>> elementary >>> school age. And yet, kids are driven to suicide, depression, >>> drugs, >>> and every other dysfunction in the book, because they're bullied >>> mercilessly every day and no one will do anything about it. >>> Why do I say all this? I say it because I hope your school isn't >>> like >>> mine was. I hope that someone in authority actually cares. I >>> hope that >>> it doesn't escalate, because most kids have a cruel streak. I >>> think >>> it's true what they say about the impulsiveness of >>> adolescents--it's >>> human nature to be cruel, and at that age, most of us haven't >>> learned >>> how to control those impulses or aggressions, making them the >>> most >>> prone not only to selfishness and thoughtlessness, but to almost >>> animal rage, not to mention an inability to see beyond their own >>> actions to how they might be affecting others. My point is, >>> people >>> like this have to be stopped. Perhaps if something can get >>> through to >>> them while they're still young and impressionable, they might >>> not grow >>> up to be tomorrow's criminals. Or maybe they will, who knows. >>> But I've >>> seen enough to know what usually happens in these situations, >>> even if >>> it was 15 years ago; and, in saying that, I hope things have >>> evolved >>> at least a little bit since then. It makes me sick to read >>> messages >>> like this. I hope for your sake that these small actions do not >>> go >>> untouched. Right now this kid is probably testing the waters, >>> seeing >>> just how much he can get away with. If he can steal a pack of >>> gum, so >>> to speak, he may try to steal a candy bar next, then a bag of >>> chips, >>> and on and on it goes, you get the picture. >>> >>> On 2/1/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> Chris, I know what you're going through. >>> I had a girl, put a dead frog in my shirt, as we were playing >>> outside, >>> (I was in elementary school, when that happened.) >>> Go to your principal, and he/she should do something. >>> This stuff has got to stop! >>> If they don't do anything, go in front of the schoolboard! >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 2/1/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> I had a problem at school today that I'd like to get your >>> thoughts on as to what I should do next. Today during lunch, >>> another kid at my table dumped his bag of pretzels into my water >>> bottle without my knowing; he must have thought it was some kind >>> of funny prank. Fortunately, I was sitting next to a good >>> friend >>> of mine, who told me about this. Even after multiple people >>> commented negatively about what he did, he said nothing. >>> >>> Variations on this have happened before with this same kid as >>> the >>> perpetrater; only once before today this school year and 3 times >>> last year. The one time something like this happened this year, >>> he put his dirty napkin in my Yogurt cup (after I had finished >>> eating the Yogurt) without saying anything. The first time >>> (with >>> the napkin,) I realized that this had happened as I was getting >>> my trash together to throw it away. Knowing who did it, since >>> he'd done this kind of thing before last year, I said, "(Insert >>> name,) why is your napkin in my Yogurt?" Knowing that he had >>> been >>> caught, he replied, "Oh... sorry." I then talked to the lunch >>> lady who is in charge of supervising all of us in the lunchroom. >>> She said she would talk to him. I wasn't there when she did, >>> but >>> apparently she had, as the problem (for about a month and a >>> half) >>> had been resolved... that is, until today. >>> >>> I feel that this is a person taking advantage of my blindness >>> and >>> playing a "prank" on me knowing that I won't catch him. So, >>> what >>> do you think I should do next? Should I go to our principal? >>> Should I talk to him directly? Any suggestions would be greatly >>> appreciated! >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>> nuisance." >>> -- Kenneth Jernigan >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >>> 0students.pccua.edu >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17 >>> %40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> 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_______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com > -- Sent via gmail.com Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com Skype: joshgregory93 twitter: JoshG93 From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Fri Feb 10 18:45:26 2012 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 10:45:26 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school References: <4f347250.c339320a.693d.04d8@mx.google.com><64E21CADA84C4E51BEBDD9BA3CFECFEC@OwnerPC><595A9A1374F3457BB94EC32C84B2C9F9@OwnerPC> <5139957F6E88447A8E0B91FA7FA21146@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Please be careful about making blanket statements. What may be/have been for you may not be the case for everyone. I am currently attending college, and I am allowed to use both my BrailleNote and my laptop on tests. Of course, there is that thing called the honor code that says that cheating is against the rules. It applies to me no differently than it applies to other students. This is enough to ensure that I do not cheat. As I said in a previous email, if you cannot be trusted to not cheat on tests, then it's possible that you cannot be trusted with certain other things. As for your options for other test taking methods, only 5 is really practical in a college setting. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > Hi, > Well, I think there needs to be supervision of these notetakers if they > are used in test situations. > I think a monitor should be hooked up to the notetaker for monitoring. > Alternatively you can take tests a number of different ways in high > school; I am glad I did not use my notetaker as the temptation to look at > notes would be there and besides I firmly believe one needs to keep up > their hard copy braille skills and not rely on notetakers all the time. > BTW, you do not use a notetaker in college; you use a computer or a reader > for tests. You cannot use your own PDA such as a braille notetaker or > personal laptop either; at least where I went to school you do not because > they know you have personal and school info on your laptop, notetaker, I > Pad, etc. > > Why should blind students get to use electronic equipment when the rest of > the class has to write by hand? > You have an advantage if you use a pc or notetaker because you can edit > your work. > > Instead of a notetaker you can take tests these ways and eliminate the > questions that you might be cheating: > 1. Have your TVI, teacher of the visually impaired, read it to you. > 2. Have an aide read it to you if one works with you. > 3. If you have to write, you write on a brailler and your TVI transcribes > it. Oh what a concept; write by hand like everyone else! > > 4. Read it in braille and mark your answers in braille on a brailler. You > can also mark your answers with a crayone or something else. > > 5. Take the test on a school issued computer that has none of your study > notes on it. > > That said I'm sure no cheating is going on; but just saying if you want to > eliminate suspicions, you do not use your own > notetaker which has your notes on it. > > Ashley > -----Original Message----- > From: frandi.galindo at gmail.com > Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 10:58 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > How else is some one who has vision problems or who is blind suppose to > take > notes in schools with out some kind of device that assists them in doing > so. > Do people expect them to bust out a pencil and a sheet of paper and start > printing or cursive like the rest of them? Educate. That’s the magic > word. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home > Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 1:52 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > Actually, I think that there is a problem if you cannot be trusted to not > cheat when using a notetaker on a test. If people cannot trust you with > something like that, they probably cannot trust you with other things. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 6:40 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > >> Well, it is easy to cheat with a notetaker and I'm surprised blind >> students these days are let to take tests with them. >> When I was in middle and high school, I was not allowed to use my braille >> n speak on exams. >> That said, these students have no business accusing any one of cheating. >> They need to focus on their own work. >> If they don't have evidence of cheating, they cannot do anything about it >> anyway. Just say you are not cheating and go on. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Beth >> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 8:26 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> Chris, >> Cheating on tests is a huge thing. IF these kids are trying to >> tarnish your academic integrity, you need to tell the principal >> once again. She will have to educate the kids about blindness >> and academic integrity issues. This is important as you will >> need academic integrity in order to go on to college and >> university and if caught at university doing this, they will >> penalize you and kick you out. Every sylabus at college I saw >> had an Academic Integrity policy on it, and that should be said >> of middle school. >> Beth >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Chris Nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list> Date sent: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:18:17 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> Hi Ashley, >> >> I agree. I don't think this is something which is effecting my >> right to a "free and appropriate education," and therefore >> wouldn't be appropriate for an IEP or to even be brought up at >> the IEP meeting; that is, unless it happens again and again. As >> I reported here last week, I have talked with my principal about >> this, and she has promised to take care of this. I trust that >> she will, so I'm letting it go for now. >> >> Also, after more recent events have happened, the pretzel >> incident seems like a pretty small matter. I won't go through >> all the details, but basically other students at my school have >> been falsely accusing me of cheating on tests (that is, looking >> at notes I take in my notetaker during tests) and being "let off >> the hook" on classwork when I'm really in a pullout class. These >> kids really need to be educated! >> >> Chris >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> Email and Google Talk/Keychat (on the BrailleNote) ID: >> dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com >> Skype: christpher.nusbaum3 or search for Chris Nusbaum >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >> nuisance." >> -- Kenneth Jernigan >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Date sent: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 23:30:25 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> Chris, >> If it happens again and again, then bring it to the IEP team. >> But if not, >> I'd let it go. I mean you let the top official-- the principal >> know. So I >> think that is enough. Its not as if the Iep team will do >> anything more; and >> besides most of them such as your parents and TVI already know >> about the >> issues. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Chris Nusbaum >> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:07 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> You're right; it wouldn't be something to put in my IEP. But do >> you think it would hurt to bring it up to the team? >> >> Chris >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >> nuisance." >> -- Kenneth Jernigan >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Date sent: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 15:09:51 -0800 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> This is not the kind of thing that you put in an IEP. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Hope Paulos" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 4:48 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> >> Hi Chris. I'm assuming you're in high school.. I'd go to >> both your >> principal and your guidance counselor. I wouldn't talk to him >> directly-- I >> think he'd get more dicipline if you had the principal talk to >> him. I'd >> also bring it up during your IEP/PET. >> HTH >> Hope and Beignet >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Beth" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:54 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> >> I knew this kid, speaking of criminals who were playground and >> school >> bullies, who was always harassing me, got mein trouble at lunch >> one day in >> elementary school, and later went on to rape somebody and go to >> jail for >> it. >> Beth >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Desiree Oudinot > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 18:41:07 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> When I was in elementary school, I had kids stealing books from >> me, >> throwing erasers in my hair, pulling chairs out from under me, >> you >> name it, they did it. The worst part was that most times, my >> teachers >> were right there, and refused to do anything about it, because >> they >> too were uncomfortable with my blindness, so why should they >> intervene? I say this because it wasn't so long ago that this >> happened >> to me. I grew up in the 90's, before bullying was the huge deal >> it is >> now, but still close enough to the events of Columbine that it >> wasn't >> completely unheard of either. And it was as "unacceptable" then >> as it >> is now. Yes, I put unacceptable in quotes, because guess what, >> it >> happens every day and so little of it is actually dealt with. >> Meanwhile, things that are no real problem at all are resulting >> in >> criminal records, such as a case I heard about recently where a >> boy >> gave his friend a hug in school and was charged with sexual >> harassment. I forget their exact ages, but they were young, >> elementary >> school age. And yet, kids are driven to suicide, depression, >> drugs, >> and every other dysfunction in the book, because they're bullied >> mercilessly every day and no one will do anything about it. >> Why do I say all this? I say it because I hope your school isn't >> like >> mine was. I hope that someone in authority actually cares. I >> hope that >> it doesn't escalate, because most kids have a cruel streak. I >> think >> it's true what they say about the impulsiveness of >> adolescents--it's >> human nature to be cruel, and at that age, most of us haven't >> learned >> how to control those impulses or aggressions, making them the >> most >> prone not only to selfishness and thoughtlessness, but to almost >> animal rage, not to mention an inability to see beyond their own >> actions to how they might be affecting others. My point is, >> people >> like this have to be stopped. Perhaps if something can get >> through to >> them while they're still young and impressionable, they might >> not grow >> up to be tomorrow's criminals. Or maybe they will, who knows. >> But I've >> seen enough to know what usually happens in these situations, >> even if >> it was 15 years ago; and, in saying that, I hope things have >> evolved >> at least a little bit since then. It makes me sick to read >> messages >> like this. I hope for your sake that these small actions do not >> go >> untouched. Right now this kid is probably testing the waters, >> seeing >> just how much he can get away with. If he can steal a pack of >> gum, so >> to speak, he may try to steal a candy bar next, then a bag of >> chips, >> and on and on it goes, you get the picture. >> >> On 2/1/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >> Chris, I know what you're going through. >> I had a girl, put a dead frog in my shirt, as we were playing >> outside, >> (I was in elementary school, when that happened.) >> Go to your principal, and he/she should do something. >> This stuff has got to stop! >> If they don't do anything, go in front of the schoolboard! >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 2/1/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> I had a problem at school today that I'd like to get your >> thoughts on as to what I should do next. Today during lunch, >> another kid at my table dumped his bag of pretzels into my water >> bottle without my knowing; he must have thought it was some kind >> of funny prank. Fortunately, I was sitting next to a good >> friend >> of mine, who told me about this. Even after multiple people >> commented negatively about what he did, he said nothing. >> >> Variations on this have happened before with this same kid as >> the >> perpetrater; only once before today this school year and 3 times >> last year. The one time something like this happened this year, >> he put his dirty napkin in my Yogurt cup (after I had finished >> eating the Yogurt) without saying anything. The first time >> (with >> the napkin,) I realized that this had happened as I was getting >> my trash together to throw it away. Knowing who did it, since >> he'd done this kind of thing before last year, I said, "(Insert >> name,) why is your napkin in my Yogurt?" Knowing that he had >> been >> caught, he replied, "Oh... sorry." I then talked to the lunch >> lady who is in charge of supervising all of us in the lunchroom. >> She said she would talk to him. I wasn't there when she did, >> but >> apparently she had, as the problem (for about a month and a >> half) >> had been resolved... that is, until today. >> >> I feel that this is a person taking advantage of my blindness >> and >> playing a "prank" on me knowing that I won't catch him. So, >> what >> do you think I should do next? Should I go to our principal? >> Should I talk to him directly? Any suggestions would be greatly >> appreciated! >> Thanks, >> >> Chris >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >> nuisance." >> -- Kenneth Jernigan >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >> 0students.pccua.edu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17 >> %40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To 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options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/frandi.galindo%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Feb 10 18:52:38 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 13:52:38 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school In-Reply-To: References: <4f347250.c339320a.693d.04d8@mx.google.com><64E21CADA84C4E51BEBDD9BA3CFECFEC@OwnerPC><595A9A1374F3457BB94EC32C84B2C9F9@OwnerPC><5139957F6E88447A8E0B91FA7FA21146@OwnerPC> Message-ID: true. I suppose you could tell your teacher the answers then or write them on a school computer. -----Original Message----- From: Hope Paulos Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 1:31 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school The only problem I see with using a hard-copy Brailled test answer sheet is if you have an itinerant tvi is that if they only come one or two times a week,, there's going to be a delay on receiving grades on tests. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > Hi, > Well, I think there needs to be supervision of these notetakers if they > are used in test situations. > I think a monitor should be hooked up to the notetaker for monitoring. > Alternatively you can take tests a number of different ways in high > school; I am glad I did not use my notetaker as the temptation to look at > notes would be there and besides I firmly believe one needs to keep up > their hard copy braille skills and not rely on notetakers all the time. > BTW, you do not use a notetaker in college; you use a computer or a reader > for tests. You cannot use your own PDA such as a braille notetaker or > personal laptop either; at least where I went to school you do not because > they know you have personal and school info on your laptop, notetaker, I > Pad, etc. > > Why should blind students get to use electronic equipment when the rest of > the class has to write by hand? > You have an advantage if you use a pc or notetaker because you can edit > your work. > > Instead of a notetaker you can take tests these ways and eliminate the > questions that you might be cheating: > 1. Have your TVI, teacher of the visually impaired, read it to you. > 2. Have an aide read it to you if one works with you. > 3. If you have to write, you write on a brailler and your TVI transcribes > it. Oh what a concept; write by hand like everyone else! > > 4. Read it in braille and mark your answers in braille on a brailler. You > can also mark your answers with a crayone or something else. > > 5. Take the test on a school issued computer that has none of your study > notes on it. > > That said I'm sure no cheating is going on; but just saying if you want to > eliminate suspicions, you do not use your own > notetaker which has your notes on it. > > Ashley > -----Original Message----- > From: frandi.galindo at gmail.com > Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 10:58 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > How else is some one who has vision problems or who is blind suppose to > take > notes in schools with out some kind of device that assists them in doing > so. > Do people expect them to bust out a pencil and a sheet of paper and start > printing or cursive like the rest of them? Educate. That’s the magic > word. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home > Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 1:52 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > Actually, I think that there is a problem if you cannot be trusted to not > cheat when using a notetaker on a test. If people cannot trust you with > something like that, they probably cannot trust you with other things. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 6:40 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > >> Well, it is easy to cheat with a notetaker and I'm surprised blind >> students these days are let to take tests with them. >> When I was in middle and high school, I was not allowed to use my braille >> n speak on exams. >> That said, these students have no business accusing any one of cheating. >> They need to focus on their own work. >> If they don't have evidence of cheating, they cannot do anything about it >> anyway. Just say you are not cheating and go on. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Beth >> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 8:26 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> Chris, >> Cheating on tests is a huge thing. IF these kids are trying to >> tarnish your academic integrity, you need to tell the principal >> once again. She will have to educate the kids about blindness >> and academic integrity issues. This is important as you will >> need academic integrity in order to go on to college and >> university and if caught at university doing this, they will >> penalize you and kick you out. Every sylabus at college I saw >> had an Academic Integrity policy on it, and that should be said >> of middle school. >> Beth >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Chris Nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list> Date sent: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:18:17 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> Hi Ashley, >> >> I agree. I don't think this is something which is effecting my >> right to a "free and appropriate education," and therefore >> wouldn't be appropriate for an IEP or to even be brought up at >> the IEP meeting; that is, unless it happens again and again. As >> I reported here last week, I have talked with my principal about >> this, and she has promised to take care of this. I trust that >> she will, so I'm letting it go for now. >> >> Also, after more recent events have happened, the pretzel >> incident seems like a pretty small matter. I won't go through >> all the details, but basically other students at my school have >> been falsely accusing me of cheating on tests (that is, looking >> at notes I take in my notetaker during tests) and being "let off >> the hook" on classwork when I'm really in a pullout class. These >> kids really need to be educated! >> >> Chris >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> Email and Google Talk/Keychat (on the BrailleNote) ID: >> dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com >> Skype: christpher.nusbaum3 or search for Chris Nusbaum >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >> nuisance." >> -- Kenneth Jernigan >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Date sent: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 23:30:25 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> Chris, >> If it happens again and again, then bring it to the IEP team. >> But if not, >> I'd let it go. I mean you let the top official-- the principal >> know. So I >> think that is enough. Its not as if the Iep team will do >> anything more; and >> besides most of them such as your parents and TVI already know >> about the >> issues. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Chris Nusbaum >> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:07 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> You're right; it wouldn't be something to put in my IEP. But do >> you think it would hurt to bring it up to the team? >> >> Chris >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >> nuisance." >> -- Kenneth Jernigan >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Date sent: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 15:09:51 -0800 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> This is not the kind of thing that you put in an IEP. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Hope Paulos" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 4:48 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> >> Hi Chris. I'm assuming you're in high school.. I'd go to >> both your >> principal and your guidance counselor. I wouldn't talk to him >> directly-- I >> think he'd get more dicipline if you had the principal talk to >> him. I'd >> also bring it up during your IEP/PET. >> HTH >> Hope and Beignet >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Beth" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:54 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> >> I knew this kid, speaking of criminals who were playground and >> school >> bullies, who was always harassing me, got mein trouble at lunch >> one day in >> elementary school, and later went on to rape somebody and go to >> jail for >> it. >> Beth >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Desiree Oudinot > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 18:41:07 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> When I was in elementary school, I had kids stealing books from >> me, >> throwing erasers in my hair, pulling chairs out from under me, >> you >> name it, they did it. The worst part was that most times, my >> teachers >> were right there, and refused to do anything about it, because >> they >> too were uncomfortable with my blindness, so why should they >> intervene? I say this because it wasn't so long ago that this >> happened >> to me. I grew up in the 90's, before bullying was the huge deal >> it is >> now, but still close enough to the events of Columbine that it >> wasn't >> completely unheard of either. And it was as "unacceptable" then >> as it >> is now. Yes, I put unacceptable in quotes, because guess what, >> it >> happens every day and so little of it is actually dealt with. >> Meanwhile, things that are no real problem at all are resulting >> in >> criminal records, such as a case I heard about recently where a >> boy >> gave his friend a hug in school and was charged with sexual >> harassment. I forget their exact ages, but they were young, >> elementary >> school age. And yet, kids are driven to suicide, depression, >> drugs, >> and every other dysfunction in the book, because they're bullied >> mercilessly every day and no one will do anything about it. >> Why do I say all this? I say it because I hope your school isn't >> like >> mine was. I hope that someone in authority actually cares. I >> hope that >> it doesn't escalate, because most kids have a cruel streak. I >> think >> it's true what they say about the impulsiveness of >> adolescents--it's >> human nature to be cruel, and at that age, most of us haven't >> learned >> how to control those impulses or aggressions, making them the >> most >> prone not only to selfishness and thoughtlessness, but to almost >> animal rage, not to mention an inability to see beyond their own >> actions to how they might be affecting others. My point is, >> people >> like this have to be stopped. Perhaps if something can get >> through to >> them while they're still young and impressionable, they might >> not grow >> up to be tomorrow's criminals. Or maybe they will, who knows. >> But I've >> seen enough to know what usually happens in these situations, >> even if >> it was 15 years ago; and, in saying that, I hope things have >> evolved >> at least a little bit since then. It makes me sick to read >> messages >> like this. I hope for your sake that these small actions do not >> go >> untouched. Right now this kid is probably testing the waters, >> seeing >> just how much he can get away with. If he can steal a pack of >> gum, so >> to speak, he may try to steal a candy bar next, then a bag of >> chips, >> and on and on it goes, you get the picture. >> >> On 2/1/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >> Chris, I know what you're going through. >> I had a girl, put a dead frog in my shirt, as we were playing >> outside, >> (I was in elementary school, when that happened.) >> Go to your principal, and he/she should do something. >> This stuff has got to stop! >> If they don't do anything, go in front of the schoolboard! >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 2/1/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> I had a problem at school today that I'd like to get your >> thoughts on as to what I should do next. Today during lunch, >> another kid at my table dumped his bag of pretzels into my water >> bottle without my knowing; he must have thought it was some kind >> of funny prank. Fortunately, I was sitting next to a good >> friend >> of mine, who told me about this. Even after multiple people >> commented negatively about what he did, he said nothing. >> >> Variations on this have happened before with this same kid as >> the >> perpetrater; only once before today this school year and 3 times >> last year. The one time something like this happened this year, >> he put his dirty napkin in my Yogurt cup (after I had finished >> eating the Yogurt) without saying anything. The first time >> (with >> the napkin,) I realized that this had happened as I was getting >> my trash together to throw it away. Knowing who did it, since >> he'd done this kind of thing before last year, I said, "(Insert >> name,) why is your napkin in my Yogurt?" Knowing that he had >> been >> caught, he replied, "Oh... sorry." I then talked to the lunch >> lady who is in charge of supervising all of us in the lunchroom. >> She said she would talk to him. I wasn't there when she did, >> but >> apparently she had, as the problem (for about a month and a >> half) >> had been resolved... that is, until today. >> >> I feel that this is a person taking advantage of my blindness >> and >> playing a "prank" on me knowing that I won't catch him. So, >> what >> do you think I should do next? Should I go to our principal? >> Should I talk to him directly? Any suggestions would be greatly >> appreciated! >> Thanks, >> >> Chris >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. 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http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Feb 10 18:58:04 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 13:58:04 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school In-Reply-To: References: <4f347250.c339320a.693d.04d8@mx.google.com><64E21CADA84C4E51BEBDD9BA3CFECFEC@OwnerPC><595A9A1374F3457BB94EC32C84B2C9F9@OwnerPC><5139957F6E88447A8E0B91FA7FA21146@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <8BF4EB0F103A4A9A8B5C64E2113329A5@OwnerPC> Nicole, Excuse me, we are talking high school, not college. Read the original email. Chris is in eigth grade and students are acusing him of cheating. I think they are just trying to bully him. But that said, I think he needs to ensure they can see his work like other students. There needs to be visual verification, just as there is for other students. So, if you need to use your technology, hook up a display to it. Then when students acuse you of something, you have the teacher's backing since they saw you do the exam. Personally, I think blind students get to use electronics way too much. If sighted students have to write by hand and read the test, why not blind students. Read the braille test and write answers. Many schools do not let you use personal computers and IMO it should stay that way. Also, having options is important because your technology can break down. It seems like blind students are treated and trusted more so than sighted students in public school these days with taking exams on their equipment. I didn't do that. It worked okay so I know there are other options. -----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 1:45 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school Please be careful about making blanket statements. What may be/have been for you may not be the case for everyone. I am currently attending college, and I am allowed to use both my BrailleNote and my laptop on tests. Of course, there is that thing called the honor code that says that cheating is against the rules. It applies to me no differently than it applies to other students. This is enough to ensure that I do not cheat. As I said in a previous email, if you cannot be trusted to not cheat on tests, then it's possible that you cannot be trusted with certain other things. As for your options for other test taking methods, only 5 is really practical in a college setting. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > Hi, > Well, I think there needs to be supervision of these notetakers if they > are used in test situations. > I think a monitor should be hooked up to the notetaker for monitoring. > Alternatively you can take tests a number of different ways in high > school; I am glad I did not use my notetaker as the temptation to look at > notes would be there and besides I firmly believe one needs to keep up > their hard copy braille skills and not rely on notetakers all the time. > BTW, you do not use a notetaker in college; you use a computer or a reader > for tests. You cannot use your own PDA such as a braille notetaker or > personal laptop either; at least where I went to school you do not because > they know you have personal and school info on your laptop, notetaker, I > Pad, etc. > > Why should blind students get to use electronic equipment when the rest of > the class has to write by hand? > You have an advantage if you use a pc or notetaker because you can edit > your work. > > Instead of a notetaker you can take tests these ways and eliminate the > questions that you might be cheating: > 1. Have your TVI, teacher of the visually impaired, read it to you. > 2. Have an aide read it to you if one works with you. > 3. If you have to write, you write on a brailler and your TVI transcribes > it. Oh what a concept; write by hand like everyone else! > > 4. Read it in braille and mark your answers in braille on a brailler. You > can also mark your answers with a crayone or something else. > > 5. Take the test on a school issued computer that has none of your study > notes on it. > > That said I'm sure no cheating is going on; but just saying if you want to > eliminate suspicions, you do not use your own > notetaker which has your notes on it. > > Ashley > -----Original Message----- > From: frandi.galindo at gmail.com > Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 10:58 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > How else is some one who has vision problems or who is blind suppose to > take > notes in schools with out some kind of device that assists them in doing > so. > Do people expect them to bust out a pencil and a sheet of paper and start > printing or cursive like the rest of them? Educate. That’s the magic > word. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home > Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 1:52 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > Actually, I think that there is a problem if you cannot be trusted to not > cheat when using a notetaker on a test. If people cannot trust you with > something like that, they probably cannot trust you with other things. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 6:40 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > >> Well, it is easy to cheat with a notetaker and I'm surprised blind >> students these days are let to take tests with them. >> When I was in middle and high school, I was not allowed to use my braille >> n speak on exams. >> That said, these students have no business accusing any one of cheating. >> They need to focus on their own work. >> If they don't have evidence of cheating, they cannot do anything about it >> anyway. Just say you are not cheating and go on. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Beth >> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 8:26 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> Chris, >> Cheating on tests is a huge thing. IF these kids are trying to >> tarnish your academic integrity, you need to tell the principal >> once again. She will have to educate the kids about blindness >> and academic integrity issues. This is important as you will >> need academic integrity in order to go on to college and >> university and if caught at university doing this, they will >> penalize you and kick you out. Every sylabus at college I saw >> had an Academic Integrity policy on it, and that should be said >> of middle school. >> Beth >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Chris Nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list> Date sent: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:18:17 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> Hi Ashley, >> >> I agree. I don't think this is something which is effecting my >> right to a "free and appropriate education," and therefore >> wouldn't be appropriate for an IEP or to even be brought up at >> the IEP meeting; that is, unless it happens again and again. As >> I reported here last week, I have talked with my principal about >> this, and she has promised to take care of this. I trust that >> she will, so I'm letting it go for now. >> >> Also, after more recent events have happened, the pretzel >> incident seems like a pretty small matter. I won't go through >> all the details, but basically other students at my school have >> been falsely accusing me of cheating on tests (that is, looking >> at notes I take in my notetaker during tests) and being "let off >> the hook" on classwork when I'm really in a pullout class. These >> kids really need to be educated! >> >> Chris >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> Email and Google Talk/Keychat (on the BrailleNote) ID: >> dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com >> Skype: christpher.nusbaum3 or search for Chris Nusbaum >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >> nuisance." >> -- Kenneth Jernigan >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Date sent: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 23:30:25 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> Chris, >> If it happens again and again, then bring it to the IEP team. >> But if not, >> I'd let it go. I mean you let the top official-- the principal >> know. So I >> think that is enough. Its not as if the Iep team will do >> anything more; and >> besides most of them such as your parents and TVI already know >> about the >> issues. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Chris Nusbaum >> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:07 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> You're right; it wouldn't be something to put in my IEP. But do >> you think it would hurt to bring it up to the team? >> >> Chris >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >> nuisance." >> -- Kenneth Jernigan >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Date sent: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 15:09:51 -0800 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> This is not the kind of thing that you put in an IEP. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Hope Paulos" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 4:48 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> >> Hi Chris. I'm assuming you're in high school.. I'd go to >> both your >> principal and your guidance counselor. I wouldn't talk to him >> directly-- I >> think he'd get more dicipline if you had the principal talk to >> him. I'd >> also bring it up during your IEP/PET. >> HTH >> Hope and Beignet >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Beth" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:54 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> >> I knew this kid, speaking of criminals who were playground and >> school >> bullies, who was always harassing me, got mein trouble at lunch >> one day in >> elementary school, and later went on to rape somebody and go to >> jail for >> it. >> Beth >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Desiree Oudinot > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 18:41:07 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> When I was in elementary school, I had kids stealing books from >> me, >> throwing erasers in my hair, pulling chairs out from under me, >> you >> name it, they did it. The worst part was that most times, my >> teachers >> were right there, and refused to do anything about it, because >> they >> too were uncomfortable with my blindness, so why should they >> intervene? I say this because it wasn't so long ago that this >> happened >> to me. I grew up in the 90's, before bullying was the huge deal >> it is >> now, but still close enough to the events of Columbine that it >> wasn't >> completely unheard of either. And it was as "unacceptable" then >> as it >> is now. Yes, I put unacceptable in quotes, because guess what, >> it >> happens every day and so little of it is actually dealt with. >> Meanwhile, things that are no real problem at all are resulting >> in >> criminal records, such as a case I heard about recently where a >> boy >> gave his friend a hug in school and was charged with sexual >> harassment. I forget their exact ages, but they were young, >> elementary >> school age. And yet, kids are driven to suicide, depression, >> drugs, >> and every other dysfunction in the book, because they're bullied >> mercilessly every day and no one will do anything about it. >> Why do I say all this? I say it because I hope your school isn't >> like >> mine was. I hope that someone in authority actually cares. I >> hope that >> it doesn't escalate, because most kids have a cruel streak. I >> think >> it's true what they say about the impulsiveness of >> adolescents--it's >> human nature to be cruel, and at that age, most of us haven't >> learned >> how to control those impulses or aggressions, making them the >> most >> prone not only to selfishness and thoughtlessness, but to almost >> animal rage, not to mention an inability to see beyond their own >> actions to how they might be affecting others. My point is, >> people >> like this have to be stopped. Perhaps if something can get >> through to >> them while they're still young and impressionable, they might >> not grow >> up to be tomorrow's criminals. Or maybe they will, who knows. >> But I've >> seen enough to know what usually happens in these situations, >> even if >> it was 15 years ago; and, in saying that, I hope things have >> evolved >> at least a little bit since then. It makes me sick to read >> messages >> like this. I hope for your sake that these small actions do not >> go >> untouched. Right now this kid is probably testing the waters, >> seeing >> just how much he can get away with. If he can steal a pack of >> gum, so >> to speak, he may try to steal a candy bar next, then a bag of >> chips, >> and on and on it goes, you get the picture. >> >> On 2/1/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >> Chris, I know what you're going through. >> I had a girl, put a dead frog in my shirt, as we were playing >> outside, >> (I was in elementary school, when that happened.) >> Go to your principal, and he/she should do something. >> This stuff has got to stop! >> If they don't do anything, go in front of the schoolboard! >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 2/1/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> I had a problem at school today that I'd like to get your >> thoughts on as to what I should do next. Today during lunch, >> another kid at my table dumped his bag of pretzels into my water >> bottle without my knowing; he must have thought it was some kind >> of funny prank. Fortunately, I was sitting next to a good >> friend >> of mine, who told me about this. Even after multiple people >> commented negatively about what he did, he said nothing. >> >> Variations on this have happened before with this same kid as >> the >> perpetrater; only once before today this school year and 3 times >> last year. The one time something like this happened this year, >> he put his dirty napkin in my Yogurt cup (after I had finished >> eating the Yogurt) without saying anything. The first time >> (with >> the napkin,) I realized that this had happened as I was getting >> my trash together to throw it away. Knowing who did it, since >> he'd done this kind of thing before last year, I said, "(Insert >> name,) why is your napkin in my Yogurt?" Knowing that he had >> been >> caught, he replied, "Oh... sorry." I then talked to the lunch >> lady who is in charge of supervising all of us in the lunchroom. >> She said she would talk to him. I wasn't there when she did, >> but >> apparently she had, as the problem (for about a month and a >> half) >> had been resolved... that is, until today. >> >> I feel that this is a person taking advantage of my blindness >> and >> playing a "prank" on me knowing that I won't catch him. So, >> what >> do you think I should do next? Should I go to our principal? >> Should I talk to him directly? Any suggestions would be greatly >> appreciated! >> Thanks, >> >> Chris >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. 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http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Fri Feb 10 19:16:08 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 13:16:08 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak In-Reply-To: <68149A52D1BA4B14B2419347D70F5016@stanford.edu> References: <71A795612A4844FCA5C615D21898733E@OwnerPC> <5AF68DB4-5861-41D1-9367-0F619CF8D15F@gmail.com> <5FD43DF5F732430B843E8AFBB9104996@stanford.edu> <68149A52D1BA4B14B2419347D70F5016@stanford.edu> Message-ID: I'm having difficulty playing my cartridges, so they should keep both formats. That way, those of us, who are used to one, can stay with that one format. Blessings, Joshua On 2/10/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: > Because they are better in many ways. Do I need to qualify that? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 12:31 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak > > > That's like turning the pitch, and the speed up on the NLS tape player. > Why did NLS move to cartridges? > Leave the cassettes alone! > Blessings, Joshua > > On 2/10/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: >> Oh, let's see... >> Hangman >> Simon >> Bongo >> Solitaire >> Logic (a game for guessing the string of characters based on telling you >> how >> many correct, but not which ones) >> Dino >> Chess >> Blackjack >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Desiree Oudinot" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 11:15 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak >> >> >> I was comparing the games on the Blazie note-takers to those of the >> Braille Note. Yeah, Bongo was great. So was Simon. I'm trying to >> remember what other ones there were now. And even though the voice on >> the Braille Lite was pretty bad, you could change the frequency in >> speech parameters which made it sound neat. I'm not even sure how to >> describe what it did. Maybe someone else can think of a way? Anyway, >> there was a specific pitch, if you set it high enough, and then set >> the frequency as high as it would go, and it sounded hilarious! If >> only I could get the Braille Lite to work again, I would make a >> recording of it. >> >> On 2/10/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: >>> Hahaha. Okay, maybe that is not funny, but I always find trying to make >>> fake >>> voices sound right amusing. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Ignasi Cambra Díaz" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 10:08 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak >>> >>> >>>>I had the 2000. It was pretty good at the time! I remember we bought it >>>>straight from the US because buying it in Spain took lots of time. They >>>>even sent it to me with both Spanish and French languages, but the truth >>>>is >>>> >>>>that no matter what it spoke it always had this thick english accent. >>>> On Feb 9, 2012, at 10:37 PM, >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Wow, now that takes me back. Remember the classic? >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester >>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 10:14 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak >>>>> >>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>>> Ashley brought back memories, on the bullying thread, by bringing up >>>>> the Braille N Speak! >>>>> I had one, in Elementary school, but I don't have it anymore. >>>>> I was just wondering. >>>>> Does anyone still have a Braille N Speak? >>>>> I'm interested in owning one, just for collecting value. >>>>> I'd be interested in purchasing one, if possible. >>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/frandi.galindo%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From dandrews at visi.com Fri Feb 10 21:05:57 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 15:05:57 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school In-Reply-To: <595A9A1374F3457BB94EC32C84B2C9F9@OwnerPC> References: <4f347250.c339320a.693d.04d8@mx.google.com><64E21CADA84C4E51BEBDD9BA3CFECFEC@OwnerPC> <595A9A1374F3457BB94EC32C84B2C9F9@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <4F3586B5.8070301@visi.com> Slate and stylus! Dave On 2/10/2012 9:58 AM, frandi.galindo at gmail.com wrote: > How else is some one who has vision problems or who is blind suppose > to take notes in schools with out some kind of device that assists > them in doing so. Do people expect them to bust out a pencil and a > sheet of paper and start printing or cursive like the rest of them? > Educate. That’s the magic word. > > -----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home > Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 1:52 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > Actually, I think that there is a problem if you cannot be trusted to not > cheat when using a notetaker on a test. If people cannot trust you with > something like that, they probably cannot trust you with other things. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" > > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 6:40 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > >> Well, it is easy to cheat with a notetaker and I'm surprised blind >> students these days are let to take tests with them. >> When I was in middle and high school, I was not allowed to use my >> braille n speak on exams. >> That said, these students have no business accusing any one of cheating. >> They need to focus on their own work. >> If they don't have evidence of cheating, they cannot do anything >> about it anyway. Just say you are not cheating and go on. >> -----Original Message----- From: Beth >> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 8:26 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> Chris, >> Cheating on tests is a huge thing. IF these kids are trying to >> tarnish your academic integrity, you need to tell the principal >> once again. She will have to educate the kids about blindness >> and academic integrity issues. This is important as you will >> need academic integrity in order to go on to college and >> university and if caught at university doing this, they will >> penalize you and kick you out. Every sylabus at college I saw >> had an Academic Integrity policy on it, and that should be said >> of middle school. >> Beth >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Chris Nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list> Date sent: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:18:17 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> Hi Ashley, >> >> I agree. I don't think this is something which is effecting my >> right to a "free and appropriate education," and therefore >> wouldn't be appropriate for an IEP or to even be brought up at >> the IEP meeting; that is, unless it happens again and again. As >> I reported here last week, I have talked with my principal about >> this, and she has promised to take care of this. I trust that >> she will, so I'm letting it go for now. >> >> Also, after more recent events have happened, the pretzel >> incident seems like a pretty small matter. I won't go through >> all the details, but basically other students at my school have >> been falsely accusing me of cheating on tests (that is, looking >> at notes I take in my notetaker during tests) and being "let off >> the hook" on classwork when I'm really in a pullout class. These >> kids really need to be educated! >> >> Chris >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> Email and Google Talk/Keychat (on the BrailleNote) ID: >> dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com >> Skype: christpher.nusbaum3 or search for Chris Nusbaum >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >> nuisance." >> -- Kenneth Jernigan >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Date sent: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 23:30:25 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> Chris, >> If it happens again and again, then bring it to the IEP team. >> But if not, >> I'd let it go. I mean you let the top official-- the principal >> know. So I >> think that is enough. Its not as if the Iep team will do >> anything more; and >> besides most of them such as your parents and TVI already know >> about the >> issues. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Chris Nusbaum >> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:07 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> You're right; it wouldn't be something to put in my IEP. But do >> you think it would hurt to bring it up to the team? >> >> Chris >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >> nuisance." >> -- Kenneth Jernigan >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Date sent: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 15:09:51 -0800 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> This is not the kind of thing that you put in an IEP. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Hope Paulos" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 4:48 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> >> Hi Chris. I'm assuming you're in high school.. I'd go to >> both your >> principal and your guidance counselor. I wouldn't talk to him >> directly-- I >> think he'd get more dicipline if you had the principal talk to >> him. I'd >> also bring it up during your IEP/PET. >> HTH >> Hope and Beignet >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Beth" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:54 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> >> I knew this kid, speaking of criminals who were playground and >> school >> bullies, who was always harassing me, got mein trouble at lunch >> one day in >> elementary school, and later went on to rape somebody and go to >> jail for >> it. >> Beth >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Desiree Oudinot > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 18:41:07 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> When I was in elementary school, I had kids stealing books from >> me, >> throwing erasers in my hair, pulling chairs out from under me, >> you >> name it, they did it. The worst part was that most times, my >> teachers >> were right there, and refused to do anything about it, because >> they >> too were uncomfortable with my blindness, so why should they >> intervene? I say this because it wasn't so long ago that this >> happened >> to me. I grew up in the 90's, before bullying was the huge deal >> it is >> now, but still close enough to the events of Columbine that it >> wasn't >> completely unheard of either. And it was as "unacceptable" then >> as it >> is now. Yes, I put unacceptable in quotes, because guess what, >> it >> happens every day and so little of it is actually dealt with. >> Meanwhile, things that are no real problem at all are resulting >> in >> criminal records, such as a case I heard about recently where a >> boy >> gave his friend a hug in school and was charged with sexual >> harassment. I forget their exact ages, but they were young, >> elementary >> school age. And yet, kids are driven to suicide, depression, >> drugs, >> and every other dysfunction in the book, because they're bullied >> mercilessly every day and no one will do anything about it. >> Why do I say all this? I say it because I hope your school isn't >> like >> mine was. I hope that someone in authority actually cares. I >> hope that >> it doesn't escalate, because most kids have a cruel streak. I >> think >> it's true what they say about the impulsiveness of >> adolescents--it's >> human nature to be cruel, and at that age, most of us haven't >> learned >> how to control those impulses or aggressions, making them the >> most >> prone not only to selfishness and thoughtlessness, but to almost >> animal rage, not to mention an inability to see beyond their own >> actions to how they might be affecting others. My point is, >> people >> like this have to be stopped. Perhaps if something can get >> through to >> them while they're still young and impressionable, they might >> not grow >> up to be tomorrow's criminals. Or maybe they will, who knows. >> But I've >> seen enough to know what usually happens in these situations, >> even if >> it was 15 years ago; and, in saying that, I hope things have >> evolved >> at least a little bit since then. It makes me sick to read >> messages >> like this. I hope for your sake that these small actions do not >> go >> untouched. Right now this kid is probably testing the waters, >> seeing >> just how much he can get away with. If he can steal a pack of >> gum, so >> to speak, he may try to steal a candy bar next, then a bag of >> chips, >> and on and on it goes, you get the picture. >> >> On 2/1/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >> Chris, I know what you're going through. >> I had a girl, put a dead frog in my shirt, as we were playing >> outside, >> (I was in elementary school, when that happened.) >> Go to your principal, and he/she should do something. >> This stuff has got to stop! >> If they don't do anything, go in front of the schoolboard! >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 2/1/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> I had a problem at school today that I'd like to get your >> thoughts on as to what I should do next. Today during lunch, >> another kid at my table dumped his bag of pretzels into my water >> bottle without my knowing; he must have thought it was some kind >> of funny prank. Fortunately, I was sitting next to a good >> friend >> of mine, who told me about this. Even after multiple people >> commented negatively about what he did, he said nothing. >> >> Variations on this have happened before with this same kid as >> the >> perpetrater; only once before today this school year and 3 times >> last year. The one time something like this happened this year, >> he put his dirty napkin in my Yogurt cup (after I had finished >> eating the Yogurt) without saying anything. The first time >> (with >> the napkin,) I realized that this had happened as I was getting >> my trash together to throw it away. Knowing who did it, since >> he'd done this kind of thing before last year, I said, "(Insert >> name,) why is your napkin in my Yogurt?" Knowing that he had >> been >> caught, he replied, "Oh... sorry." I then talked to the lunch >> lady who is in charge of supervising all of us in the lunchroom. >> She said she would talk to him. I wasn't there when she did, >> but >> apparently she had, as the problem (for about a month and a >> half) >> had been resolved... that is, until today. >> >> I feel that this is a person taking advantage of my blindness >> and >> playing a "prank" on me knowing that I won't catch him. So, >> what >> do you think I should do next? Should I go to our principal? >> Should I talk to him directly? Any suggestions would be greatly >> appreciated! >> Thanks, >> >> Chris >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >> nuisance." >> -- Kenneth Jernigan >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >> 0students.pccua.edu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17 >> %40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo >> se%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%4 >> 0gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40 >> wavecable.com From gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net Fri Feb 10 21:12:32 2012 From: gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net (Hai Nguyen Ly) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:12:32 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Columbia University excludes Google Docs | ZDNet Message-ID: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/igeneration/columbia-university-excludes-google-docs/15155 Columbia University excludes Google Docs Columbia University is unable to adopt Google Docs when it makes the transition from outdated CubMail to Gmail services. According to the Columbia Spectator, the focal issue that is preventing the university from making a full transition to the document reader service is that Google Docs is incompatible with certain screen-reading technologies that are used to assist the blind or individuals with limited sight. An email sent from Melissa Metz, director of systems engineering, email, and databases with Columbia University Information Technology said: “Google Docs uses advanced HTML that does not function well with most screen reader applications. While using Docs might be possible for students with disabilities, it would be challenging compared to, for example, opening desktop documents like Microsoft Word or using collaboration tools like New CourseWorks.” The infrastructure behind CubMail, Gmail, and Google Calendar are all fully compatible with other systems that can be used with screen reader devices; including Outlook and Thunderbird. However, screen readers often pose a difficulty for Google Documents due to the nature of the service — to allow realtime collaboration, it reloads itself continually, and so the toolbars and text cannot be read correctly by these sight aids. The reader may not be able to voice elements such as checkboxes, or give the user enough information about the contents of a button. The new email system will be gradually rolled out and Columbia University expects that its undergraduate students will have access by December — without the addition of Google Docs. There is also speculation that this incompatibility may mean that the program itself is not compliant with the 1990s Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA). There have been previous cases of complaints filed against academic institutions that utilize Google Docs on campus, citing that the adoption of technology which will be inaccessible to groups that are visually impaired can be seen as discriminatory. New York University is one of the institutions that were filed against last year. Metz says that the software’s current level of compatibility is not high enough for Columbia to accept, but the academic institution is open to the possibility of integrating it in the future if the issue is resolved to a high enough standard for its visually impaired students and staff: “We will continue to evaluate Google Docs’ accessibility, and if it changes, we will consider adding Docs to our environment, as the application would certainly add some great functionality.” Image credit: C.Osborne (via The Columbia Spectator) Related: Google+ updates: Improved stream, photo tagging, sneak previews Scribble your email: New feature for Gmail iOS UC Berkeley’s email system: Microsoft to Google Google fixes offline Gmail app, increases student appeal? What does Google’s piracy ‘nonsense’ and an extradited student have in common? Google’s QR code log in experiment concluded From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Fri Feb 10 21:16:12 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 15:16:12 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school In-Reply-To: <4F3586B5.8070301@visi.com> References: <4f347250.c339320a.693d.04d8@mx.google.com> <64E21CADA84C4E51BEBDD9BA3CFECFEC@OwnerPC> <595A9A1374F3457BB94EC32C84B2C9F9@OwnerPC> <4F3586B5.8070301@visi.com> Message-ID: I tried that, in 5th grade, but the kids said, that the popping sound was too much of a distraction. My TVI took notes for me, and then, during Braille class, he'd read them to me, and I'd Braille them out, on the Perkins. Blessings, Joshua On 2/10/12, David Andrews wrote: > Slate and stylus! > > Dave > > On 2/10/2012 9:58 AM, frandi.galindo at gmail.com wrote: >> How else is some one who has vision problems or who is blind suppose >> to take notes in schools with out some kind of device that assists >> them in doing so. Do people expect them to bust out a pencil and a >> sheet of paper and start printing or cursive like the rest of them? >> Educate. That’s the magic word. >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home >> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 1:52 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> Actually, I think that there is a problem if you cannot be trusted to not >> cheat when using a notetaker on a test. If people cannot trust you with >> something like that, they probably cannot trust you with other things. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" >> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 6:40 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> >>> Well, it is easy to cheat with a notetaker and I'm surprised blind >>> students these days are let to take tests with them. >>> When I was in middle and high school, I was not allowed to use my >>> braille n speak on exams. >>> That said, these students have no business accusing any one of cheating. >>> They need to focus on their own work. >>> If they don't have evidence of cheating, they cannot do anything >>> about it anyway. Just say you are not cheating and go on. >>> -----Original Message----- From: Beth >>> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 8:26 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>> >>> Chris, >>> Cheating on tests is a huge thing. IF these kids are trying to >>> tarnish your academic integrity, you need to tell the principal >>> once again. She will have to educate the kids about blindness >>> and academic integrity issues. This is important as you will >>> need academic integrity in order to go on to college and >>> university and if caught at university doing this, they will >>> penalize you and kick you out. Every sylabus at college I saw >>> had an Academic Integrity policy on it, and that should be said >>> of middle school. >>> Beth >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Chris Nusbaum >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> list>> Date sent: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:18:17 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>> >>> Hi Ashley, >>> >>> I agree. I don't think this is something which is effecting my >>> right to a "free and appropriate education," and therefore >>> wouldn't be appropriate for an IEP or to even be brought up at >>> the IEP meeting; that is, unless it happens again and again. As >>> I reported here last week, I have talked with my principal about >>> this, and she has promised to take care of this. I trust that >>> she will, so I'm letting it go for now. >>> >>> Also, after more recent events have happened, the pretzel >>> incident seems like a pretty small matter. I won't go through >>> all the details, but basically other students at my school have >>> been falsely accusing me of cheating on tests (that is, looking >>> at notes I take in my notetaker during tests) and being "let off >>> the hook" on classwork when I'm really in a pullout class. These >>> kids really need to be educated! >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> Email and Google Talk/Keychat (on the BrailleNote) ID: >>> dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com >>> Skype: christpher.nusbaum3 or search for Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>> nuisance." >>> -- Kenneth Jernigan >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Date sent: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 23:30:25 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>> >>> Chris, >>> If it happens again and again, then bring it to the IEP team. >>> But if not, >>> I'd let it go. I mean you let the top official-- the principal >>> know. So I >>> think that is enough. Its not as if the Iep team will do >>> anything more; and >>> besides most of them such as your parents and TVI already know >>> about the >>> issues. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Chris Nusbaum >>> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:07 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>> >>> You're right; it wouldn't be something to put in my IEP. But do >>> you think it would hurt to bring it up to the team? >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>> nuisance." >>> -- Kenneth Jernigan >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Date sent: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 15:09:51 -0800 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>> >>> This is not the kind of thing that you put in an IEP. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Hope Paulos" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 4:48 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>> >>> >>> Hi Chris. I'm assuming you're in high school.. I'd go to >>> both your >>> principal and your guidance counselor. I wouldn't talk to him >>> directly-- I >>> think he'd get more dicipline if you had the principal talk to >>> him. I'd >>> also bring it up during your IEP/PET. >>> HTH >>> Hope and Beignet >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Beth" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:54 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>> >>> >>> I knew this kid, speaking of criminals who were playground and >>> school >>> bullies, who was always harassing me, got mein trouble at lunch >>> one day in >>> elementary school, and later went on to rape somebody and go to >>> jail for >>> it. >>> Beth >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Desiree Oudinot >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 18:41:07 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>> >>> When I was in elementary school, I had kids stealing books from >>> me, >>> throwing erasers in my hair, pulling chairs out from under me, >>> you >>> name it, they did it. The worst part was that most times, my >>> teachers >>> were right there, and refused to do anything about it, because >>> they >>> too were uncomfortable with my blindness, so why should they >>> intervene? I say this because it wasn't so long ago that this >>> happened >>> to me. I grew up in the 90's, before bullying was the huge deal >>> it is >>> now, but still close enough to the events of Columbine that it >>> wasn't >>> completely unheard of either. And it was as "unacceptable" then >>> as it >>> is now. Yes, I put unacceptable in quotes, because guess what, >>> it >>> happens every day and so little of it is actually dealt with. >>> Meanwhile, things that are no real problem at all are resulting >>> in >>> criminal records, such as a case I heard about recently where a >>> boy >>> gave his friend a hug in school and was charged with sexual >>> harassment. I forget their exact ages, but they were young, >>> elementary >>> school age. And yet, kids are driven to suicide, depression, >>> drugs, >>> and every other dysfunction in the book, because they're bullied >>> mercilessly every day and no one will do anything about it. >>> Why do I say all this? I say it because I hope your school isn't >>> like >>> mine was. I hope that someone in authority actually cares. I >>> hope that >>> it doesn't escalate, because most kids have a cruel streak. I >>> think >>> it's true what they say about the impulsiveness of >>> adolescents--it's >>> human nature to be cruel, and at that age, most of us haven't >>> learned >>> how to control those impulses or aggressions, making them the >>> most >>> prone not only to selfishness and thoughtlessness, but to almost >>> animal rage, not to mention an inability to see beyond their own >>> actions to how they might be affecting others. My point is, >>> people >>> like this have to be stopped. Perhaps if something can get >>> through to >>> them while they're still young and impressionable, they might >>> not grow >>> up to be tomorrow's criminals. Or maybe they will, who knows. >>> But I've >>> seen enough to know what usually happens in these situations, >>> even if >>> it was 15 years ago; and, in saying that, I hope things have >>> evolved >>> at least a little bit since then. It makes me sick to read >>> messages >>> like this. I hope for your sake that these small actions do not >>> go >>> untouched. Right now this kid is probably testing the waters, >>> seeing >>> just how much he can get away with. If he can steal a pack of >>> gum, so >>> to speak, he may try to steal a candy bar next, then a bag of >>> chips, >>> and on and on it goes, you get the picture. >>> >>> On 2/1/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> Chris, I know what you're going through. >>> I had a girl, put a dead frog in my shirt, as we were playing >>> outside, >>> (I was in elementary school, when that happened.) >>> Go to your principal, and he/she should do something. >>> This stuff has got to stop! >>> If they don't do anything, go in front of the schoolboard! >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 2/1/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> I had a problem at school today that I'd like to get your >>> thoughts on as to what I should do next. Today during lunch, >>> another kid at my table dumped his bag of pretzels into my water >>> bottle without my knowing; he must have thought it was some kind >>> of funny prank. Fortunately, I was sitting next to a good >>> friend >>> of mine, who told me about this. Even after multiple people >>> commented negatively about what he did, he said nothing. >>> >>> Variations on this have happened before with this same kid as >>> the >>> perpetrater; only once before today this school year and 3 times >>> last year. The one time something like this happened this year, >>> he put his dirty napkin in my Yogurt cup (after I had finished >>> eating the Yogurt) without saying anything. The first time >>> (with >>> the napkin,) I realized that this had happened as I was getting >>> my trash together to throw it away. Knowing who did it, since >>> he'd done this kind of thing before last year, I said, "(Insert >>> name,) why is your napkin in my Yogurt?" Knowing that he had >>> been >>> caught, he replied, "Oh... sorry." I then talked to the lunch >>> lady who is in charge of supervising all of us in the lunchroom. >>> She said she would talk to him. I wasn't there when she did, >>> but >>> apparently she had, as the problem (for about a month and a >>> half) >>> had been resolved... that is, until today. >>> >>> I feel that this is a person taking advantage of my blindness >>> and >>> playing a "prank" on me knowing that I won't catch him. So, >>> what >>> do you think I should do next? Should I go to our principal? >>> Should I talk to him directly? Any suggestions would be greatly >>> appreciated! >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>> nuisance." >>> -- Kenneth Jernigan >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >>> 0students.pccua.edu >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17 >>> %40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo >>> se%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%4 >>> 0gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40 >>> wavecable.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From ptrck.molloy at gmail.com Fri Feb 10 21:29:13 2012 From: ptrck.molloy at gmail.com (Patrick Molloy) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:29:13 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school In-Reply-To: References: <4f347250.c339320a.693d.04d8@mx.google.com> <64E21CADA84C4E51BEBDD9BA3CFECFEC@OwnerPC> <595A9A1374F3457BB94EC32C84B2C9F9@OwnerPC> <4F3586B5.8070301@visi.com> Message-ID: I feel like taking a test on a slate and stylus would take forever! I think we should be able to take tests on notetakers or laptops or whatever. Yes, the technology breaks sometimes, in which case there should be a backup. But how much quicker do professors get the material when we can just type the answers and send them via e-mail? If kids are worrying about cheating, maybe there should be an in-class presentation explaining the technology and how even though it would be POSSIBLE to cheat, it won't happen. It's really no concern of the other students one way or the other. Patrick On 2/10/12, Joshua Lester wrote: > I tried that, in 5th grade, but the kids said, that the popping sound > was too much of a distraction. > My TVI took notes for me, and then, during Braille class, he'd read > them to me, and I'd Braille them out, on the Perkins. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 2/10/12, David Andrews wrote: >> Slate and stylus! >> >> Dave >> >> On 2/10/2012 9:58 AM, frandi.galindo at gmail.com wrote: >>> How else is some one who has vision problems or who is blind suppose >>> to take notes in schools with out some kind of device that assists >>> them in doing so. Do people expect them to bust out a pencil and a >>> sheet of paper and start printing or cursive like the rest of them? >>> Educate. That’s the magic word. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home >>> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 1:52 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>> >>> Actually, I think that there is a problem if you cannot be trusted to not >>> cheat when using a notetaker on a test. If people cannot trust you with >>> something like that, they probably cannot trust you with other things. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" >>> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 6:40 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>> >>> >>>> Well, it is easy to cheat with a notetaker and I'm surprised blind >>>> students these days are let to take tests with them. >>>> When I was in middle and high school, I was not allowed to use my >>>> braille n speak on exams. >>>> That said, these students have no business accusing any one of cheating. >>>> They need to focus on their own work. >>>> If they don't have evidence of cheating, they cannot do anything >>>> about it anyway. Just say you are not cheating and go on. >>>> -----Original Message----- From: Beth >>>> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 8:26 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>>> >>>> Chris, >>>> Cheating on tests is a huge thing. IF these kids are trying to >>>> tarnish your academic integrity, you need to tell the principal >>>> once again. She will have to educate the kids about blindness >>>> and academic integrity issues. This is important as you will >>>> need academic integrity in order to go on to college and >>>> university and if caught at university doing this, they will >>>> penalize you and kick you out. Every sylabus at college I saw >>>> had an Academic Integrity policy on it, and that should be said >>>> of middle school. >>>> Beth >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Chris Nusbaum >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >>>> list>>> Date sent: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:18:17 -0500 >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>>> >>>> Hi Ashley, >>>> >>>> I agree. I don't think this is something which is effecting my >>>> right to a "free and appropriate education," and therefore >>>> wouldn't be appropriate for an IEP or to even be brought up at >>>> the IEP meeting; that is, unless it happens again and again. As >>>> I reported here last week, I have talked with my principal about >>>> this, and she has promised to take care of this. I trust that >>>> she will, so I'm letting it go for now. >>>> >>>> Also, after more recent events have happened, the pretzel >>>> incident seems like a pretty small matter. I won't go through >>>> all the details, but basically other students at my school have >>>> been falsely accusing me of cheating on tests (that is, looking >>>> at notes I take in my notetaker during tests) and being "let off >>>> the hook" on classwork when I'm really in a pullout class. These >>>> kids really need to be educated! >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>> Email and Google Talk/Keychat (on the BrailleNote) ID: >>>> dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com >>>> Skype: christpher.nusbaum3 or search for Chris Nusbaum >>>> >>>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>>> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>>> nuisance." >>>> -- Kenneth Jernigan >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>> Date sent: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 23:30:25 -0500 >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>>> >>>> Chris, >>>> If it happens again and again, then bring it to the IEP team. >>>> But if not, >>>> I'd let it go. I mean you let the top official-- the principal >>>> know. So I >>>> think that is enough. Its not as if the Iep team will do >>>> anything more; and >>>> besides most of them such as your parents and TVI already know >>>> about the >>>> issues. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Chris Nusbaum >>>> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:07 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>>> >>>> You're right; it wouldn't be something to put in my IEP. But do >>>> you think it would hurt to bring it up to the team? >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>>> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>>> nuisance." >>>> -- Kenneth Jernigan >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>> Date sent: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 15:09:51 -0800 >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>>> >>>> This is not the kind of thing that you put in an IEP. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Hope Paulos" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 4:48 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Chris. I'm assuming you're in high school.. I'd go to >>>> both your >>>> principal and your guidance counselor. I wouldn't talk to him >>>> directly-- I >>>> think he'd get more dicipline if you had the principal talk to >>>> him. I'd >>>> also bring it up during your IEP/PET. >>>> HTH >>>> Hope and Beignet >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Beth" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:54 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>>> >>>> >>>> I knew this kid, speaking of criminals who were playground and >>>> school >>>> bullies, who was always harassing me, got mein trouble at lunch >>>> one day in >>>> elementary school, and later went on to rape somebody and go to >>>> jail for >>>> it. >>>> Beth >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Desiree Oudinot >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>> Date sent: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 18:41:07 -0500 >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>>> >>>> When I was in elementary school, I had kids stealing books from >>>> me, >>>> throwing erasers in my hair, pulling chairs out from under me, >>>> you >>>> name it, they did it. The worst part was that most times, my >>>> teachers >>>> were right there, and refused to do anything about it, because >>>> they >>>> too were uncomfortable with my blindness, so why should they >>>> intervene? I say this because it wasn't so long ago that this >>>> happened >>>> to me. I grew up in the 90's, before bullying was the huge deal >>>> it is >>>> now, but still close enough to the events of Columbine that it >>>> wasn't >>>> completely unheard of either. And it was as "unacceptable" then >>>> as it >>>> is now. Yes, I put unacceptable in quotes, because guess what, >>>> it >>>> happens every day and so little of it is actually dealt with. >>>> Meanwhile, things that are no real problem at all are resulting >>>> in >>>> criminal records, such as a case I heard about recently where a >>>> boy >>>> gave his friend a hug in school and was charged with sexual >>>> harassment. I forget their exact ages, but they were young, >>>> elementary >>>> school age. And yet, kids are driven to suicide, depression, >>>> drugs, >>>> and every other dysfunction in the book, because they're bullied >>>> mercilessly every day and no one will do anything about it. >>>> Why do I say all this? I say it because I hope your school isn't >>>> like >>>> mine was. I hope that someone in authority actually cares. I >>>> hope that >>>> it doesn't escalate, because most kids have a cruel streak. I >>>> think >>>> it's true what they say about the impulsiveness of >>>> adolescents--it's >>>> human nature to be cruel, and at that age, most of us haven't >>>> learned >>>> how to control those impulses or aggressions, making them the >>>> most >>>> prone not only to selfishness and thoughtlessness, but to almost >>>> animal rage, not to mention an inability to see beyond their own >>>> actions to how they might be affecting others. My point is, >>>> people >>>> like this have to be stopped. Perhaps if something can get >>>> through to >>>> them while they're still young and impressionable, they might >>>> not grow >>>> up to be tomorrow's criminals. Or maybe they will, who knows. >>>> But I've >>>> seen enough to know what usually happens in these situations, >>>> even if >>>> it was 15 years ago; and, in saying that, I hope things have >>>> evolved >>>> at least a little bit since then. It makes me sick to read >>>> messages >>>> like this. I hope for your sake that these small actions do not >>>> go >>>> untouched. Right now this kid is probably testing the waters, >>>> seeing >>>> just how much he can get away with. If he can steal a pack of >>>> gum, so >>>> to speak, he may try to steal a candy bar next, then a bag of >>>> chips, >>>> and on and on it goes, you get the picture. >>>> >>>> On 2/1/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>> Chris, I know what you're going through. >>>> I had a girl, put a dead frog in my shirt, as we were playing >>>> outside, >>>> (I was in elementary school, when that happened.) >>>> Go to your principal, and he/she should do something. >>>> This stuff has got to stop! >>>> If they don't do anything, go in front of the schoolboard! >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>> >>>> On 2/1/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>>> Hi everyone, >>>> >>>> I had a problem at school today that I'd like to get your >>>> thoughts on as to what I should do next. Today during lunch, >>>> another kid at my table dumped his bag of pretzels into my water >>>> bottle without my knowing; he must have thought it was some kind >>>> of funny prank. Fortunately, I was sitting next to a good >>>> friend >>>> of mine, who told me about this. Even after multiple people >>>> commented negatively about what he did, he said nothing. >>>> >>>> Variations on this have happened before with this same kid as >>>> the >>>> perpetrater; only once before today this school year and 3 times >>>> last year. The one time something like this happened this year, >>>> he put his dirty napkin in my Yogurt cup (after I had finished >>>> eating the Yogurt) without saying anything. The first time >>>> (with >>>> the napkin,) I realized that this had happened as I was getting >>>> my trash together to throw it away. Knowing who did it, since >>>> he'd done this kind of thing before last year, I said, "(Insert >>>> name,) why is your napkin in my Yogurt?" Knowing that he had >>>> been >>>> caught, he replied, "Oh... sorry." I then talked to the lunch >>>> lady who is in charge of supervising all of us in the lunchroom. >>>> She said she would talk to him. I wasn't there when she did, >>>> but >>>> apparently she had, as the problem (for about a month and a >>>> half) >>>> had been resolved... that is, until today. >>>> >>>> I feel that this is a person taking advantage of my blindness >>>> and >>>> playing a "prank" on me knowing that I won't catch him. So, >>>> what >>>> do you think I should do next? Should I go to our principal? >>>> Should I talk to him directly? Any suggestions would be greatly >>>> appreciated! >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>>> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>>> nuisance." >>>> -- Kenneth Jernigan >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >>>> 0students.pccua.edu >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17 >>>> %40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo >>>> se%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%4 >>>> 0gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40 >>>> wavecable.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Fri Feb 10 21:42:56 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 15:42:56 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school In-Reply-To: References: <4f347250.c339320a.693d.04d8@mx.google.com> <64E21CADA84C4E51BEBDD9BA3CFECFEC@OwnerPC> <595A9A1374F3457BB94EC32C84B2C9F9@OwnerPC> <4F3586B5.8070301@visi.com> Message-ID: That would be great, for something, for Meet the Blind Month! When is it again? Thanks, Joshua On 2/10/12, Patrick Molloy wrote: > I feel like taking a test on a slate and stylus would take forever! I > think we should be able to take tests on notetakers or laptops or > whatever. Yes, the technology breaks sometimes, in which case there > should be a backup. But how much quicker do professors get the > material when we can just type the answers and send them via e-mail? > If kids are worrying about cheating, maybe there should be an in-class > presentation explaining the technology and how even though it would be > POSSIBLE to cheat, it won't happen. It's really no concern of the > other students one way or the other. > Patrick > > On 2/10/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >> I tried that, in 5th grade, but the kids said, that the popping sound >> was too much of a distraction. >> My TVI took notes for me, and then, during Braille class, he'd read >> them to me, and I'd Braille them out, on the Perkins. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 2/10/12, David Andrews wrote: >>> Slate and stylus! >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> On 2/10/2012 9:58 AM, frandi.galindo at gmail.com wrote: >>>> How else is some one who has vision problems or who is blind suppose >>>> to take notes in schools with out some kind of device that assists >>>> them in doing so. Do people expect them to bust out a pencil and a >>>> sheet of paper and start printing or cursive like the rest of them? >>>> Educate. That’s the magic word. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home >>>> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 1:52 AM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>>> >>>> Actually, I think that there is a problem if you cannot be trusted to >>>> not >>>> cheat when using a notetaker on a test. If people cannot trust you with >>>> something like that, they probably cannot trust you with other things. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" >>>> >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 6:40 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>>> >>>> >>>>> Well, it is easy to cheat with a notetaker and I'm surprised blind >>>>> students these days are let to take tests with them. >>>>> When I was in middle and high school, I was not allowed to use my >>>>> braille n speak on exams. >>>>> That said, these students have no business accusing any one of >>>>> cheating. >>>>> They need to focus on their own work. >>>>> If they don't have evidence of cheating, they cannot do anything >>>>> about it anyway. Just say you are not cheating and go on. >>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Beth >>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 8:26 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>>>> >>>>> Chris, >>>>> Cheating on tests is a huge thing. IF these kids are trying to >>>>> tarnish your academic integrity, you need to tell the principal >>>>> once again. She will have to educate the kids about blindness >>>>> and academic integrity issues. This is important as you will >>>>> need academic integrity in order to go on to college and >>>>> university and if caught at university doing this, they will >>>>> penalize you and kick you out. Every sylabus at college I saw >>>>> had an Academic Integrity policy on it, and that should be said >>>>> of middle school. >>>>> Beth >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Chris Nusbaum >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >>>>> list>>>> Date sent: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:18:17 -0500 >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>>>> >>>>> Hi Ashley, >>>>> >>>>> I agree. I don't think this is something which is effecting my >>>>> right to a "free and appropriate education," and therefore >>>>> wouldn't be appropriate for an IEP or to even be brought up at >>>>> the IEP meeting; that is, unless it happens again and again. As >>>>> I reported here last week, I have talked with my principal about >>>>> this, and she has promised to take care of this. I trust that >>>>> she will, so I'm letting it go for now. >>>>> >>>>> Also, after more recent events have happened, the pretzel >>>>> incident seems like a pretty small matter. I won't go through >>>>> all the details, but basically other students at my school have >>>>> been falsely accusing me of cheating on tests (that is, looking >>>>> at notes I take in my notetaker during tests) and being "let off >>>>> the hook" on classwork when I'm really in a pullout class. These >>>>> kids really need to be educated! >>>>> >>>>> Chris >>>>> >>>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>>> Email and Google Talk/Keychat (on the BrailleNote) ID: >>>>> dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com >>>>> Skype: christpher.nusbaum3 or search for Chris Nusbaum >>>>> >>>>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>>>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>>>> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>>>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>>>> nuisance." >>>>> -- Kenneth Jernigan >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>> >>>> Date sent: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 23:30:25 -0500 >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>>>> >>>>> Chris, >>>>> If it happens again and again, then bring it to the IEP team. >>>>> But if not, >>>>> I'd let it go. I mean you let the top official-- the principal >>>>> know. So I >>>>> think that is enough. Its not as if the Iep team will do >>>>> anything more; and >>>>> besides most of them such as your parents and TVI already know >>>>> about the >>>>> issues. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Chris Nusbaum >>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:07 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>>>> >>>>> You're right; it wouldn't be something to put in my IEP. But do >>>>> you think it would hurt to bring it up to the team? >>>>> >>>>> Chris >>>>> >>>>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>>>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>>>> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>>>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>>>> nuisance." >>>>> -- Kenneth Jernigan >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>> >>>> Date sent: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 15:09:51 -0800 >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>>>> >>>>> This is not the kind of thing that you put in an IEP. >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Hope Paulos" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 4:48 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi Chris. I'm assuming you're in high school.. I'd go to >>>>> both your >>>>> principal and your guidance counselor. I wouldn't talk to him >>>>> directly-- I >>>>> think he'd get more dicipline if you had the principal talk to >>>>> him. I'd >>>>> also bring it up during your IEP/PET. >>>>> HTH >>>>> Hope and Beignet >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Beth" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:54 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I knew this kid, speaking of criminals who were playground and >>>>> school >>>>> bullies, who was always harassing me, got mein trouble at lunch >>>>> one day in >>>>> elementary school, and later went on to rape somebody and go to >>>>> jail for >>>>> it. >>>>> Beth >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Desiree Oudinot >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> >>>> Date sent: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 18:41:07 -0500 >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>>>> >>>>> When I was in elementary school, I had kids stealing books from >>>>> me, >>>>> throwing erasers in my hair, pulling chairs out from under me, >>>>> you >>>>> name it, they did it. The worst part was that most times, my >>>>> teachers >>>>> were right there, and refused to do anything about it, because >>>>> they >>>>> too were uncomfortable with my blindness, so why should they >>>>> intervene? I say this because it wasn't so long ago that this >>>>> happened >>>>> to me. I grew up in the 90's, before bullying was the huge deal >>>>> it is >>>>> now, but still close enough to the events of Columbine that it >>>>> wasn't >>>>> completely unheard of either. And it was as "unacceptable" then >>>>> as it >>>>> is now. Yes, I put unacceptable in quotes, because guess what, >>>>> it >>>>> happens every day and so little of it is actually dealt with. >>>>> Meanwhile, things that are no real problem at all are resulting >>>>> in >>>>> criminal records, such as a case I heard about recently where a >>>>> boy >>>>> gave his friend a hug in school and was charged with sexual >>>>> harassment. I forget their exact ages, but they were young, >>>>> elementary >>>>> school age. And yet, kids are driven to suicide, depression, >>>>> drugs, >>>>> and every other dysfunction in the book, because they're bullied >>>>> mercilessly every day and no one will do anything about it. >>>>> Why do I say all this? I say it because I hope your school isn't >>>>> like >>>>> mine was. I hope that someone in authority actually cares. I >>>>> hope that >>>>> it doesn't escalate, because most kids have a cruel streak. I >>>>> think >>>>> it's true what they say about the impulsiveness of >>>>> adolescents--it's >>>>> human nature to be cruel, and at that age, most of us haven't >>>>> learned >>>>> how to control those impulses or aggressions, making them the >>>>> most >>>>> prone not only to selfishness and thoughtlessness, but to almost >>>>> animal rage, not to mention an inability to see beyond their own >>>>> actions to how they might be affecting others. My point is, >>>>> people >>>>> like this have to be stopped. Perhaps if something can get >>>>> through to >>>>> them while they're still young and impressionable, they might >>>>> not grow >>>>> up to be tomorrow's criminals. Or maybe they will, who knows. >>>>> But I've >>>>> seen enough to know what usually happens in these situations, >>>>> even if >>>>> it was 15 years ago; and, in saying that, I hope things have >>>>> evolved >>>>> at least a little bit since then. It makes me sick to read >>>>> messages >>>>> like this. I hope for your sake that these small actions do not >>>>> go >>>>> untouched. Right now this kid is probably testing the waters, >>>>> seeing >>>>> just how much he can get away with. If he can steal a pack of >>>>> gum, so >>>>> to speak, he may try to steal a candy bar next, then a bag of >>>>> chips, >>>>> and on and on it goes, you get the picture. >>>>> >>>>> On 2/1/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>>> Chris, I know what you're going through. >>>>> I had a girl, put a dead frog in my shirt, as we were playing >>>>> outside, >>>>> (I was in elementary school, when that happened.) >>>>> Go to your principal, and he/she should do something. >>>>> This stuff has got to stop! >>>>> If they don't do anything, go in front of the schoolboard! >>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>> >>>>> On 2/1/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>>>> Hi everyone, >>>>> >>>>> I had a problem at school today that I'd like to get your >>>>> thoughts on as to what I should do next. Today during lunch, >>>>> another kid at my table dumped his bag of pretzels into my water >>>>> bottle without my knowing; he must have thought it was some kind >>>>> of funny prank. Fortunately, I was sitting next to a good >>>>> friend >>>>> of mine, who told me about this. Even after multiple people >>>>> commented negatively about what he did, he said nothing. >>>>> >>>>> Variations on this have happened before with this same kid as >>>>> the >>>>> perpetrater; only once before today this school year and 3 times >>>>> last year. The one time something like this happened this year, >>>>> he put his dirty napkin in my Yogurt cup (after I had finished >>>>> eating the Yogurt) without saying anything. The first time >>>>> (with >>>>> the napkin,) I realized that this had happened as I was getting >>>>> my trash together to throw it away. Knowing who did it, since >>>>> he'd done this kind of thing before last year, I said, "(Insert >>>>> name,) why is your napkin in my Yogurt?" Knowing that he had >>>>> been >>>>> caught, he replied, "Oh... sorry." I then talked to the lunch >>>>> lady who is in charge of supervising all of us in the lunchroom. >>>>> She said she would talk to him. I wasn't there when she did, >>>>> but >>>>> apparently she had, as the problem (for about a month and a >>>>> half) >>>>> had been resolved... that is, until today. >>>>> >>>>> I feel that this is a person taking advantage of my blindness >>>>> and >>>>> playing a "prank" on me knowing that I won't catch him. So, >>>>> what >>>>> do you think I should do next? Should I go to our principal? >>>>> Should I talk to him directly? Any suggestions would be greatly >>>>> appreciated! >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Chris >>>>> >>>>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>>>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>>>> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>>>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>>>> nuisance." >>>>> -- Kenneth Jernigan >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>> info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >>>>> 0students.pccua.edu >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>> info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17 >>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>> info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo >>>>> se%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>> info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%4 >>>>> 0gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>> info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40 >>>>> wavecable.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Feb 10 21:47:29 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:47:29 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak In-Reply-To: References: <71A795612A4844FCA5C615D21898733E@OwnerPC><5AF68DB4-5861-41D1-9367-0F619CF8D15F@gmail.com><5FD43DF5F732430B843E8AFBB9104996@stanford.edu><68149A52D1BA4B14B2419347D70F5016@stanford.edu> Message-ID: <1ABC5AAF4E93457CA01759E7D4649F88@OwnerPC> Joshua, Actually till they get all tapes converted, they do have both formats. You might have to wait two weeks though for the tape to be mailed though; you call your nls cooperating library and order a book and ask for it on cassette; if they have it at the multi state wearhouse where old books are housed they send it to you. For instance, I got touch the top of the world and some Phillis renolds naylor books on cassette. Not all books have been digitized; same with older books in the 1990s of Annie Dillard or Ann lammott. Point being don't assume they don't have both formats; ask first. And if you have trouble with the digital cartriges, ask someone in the library to show you how to use them. -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 2:16 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak I'm having difficulty playing my cartridges, so they should keep both formats. That way, those of us, who are used to one, can stay with that one format. Blessings, Joshua On 2/10/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: > Because they are better in many ways. Do I need to qualify that? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 12:31 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak > > > That's like turning the pitch, and the speed up on the NLS tape player. > Why did NLS move to cartridges? > Leave the cassettes alone! > Blessings, Joshua > > On 2/10/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: >> Oh, let's see... >> Hangman >> Simon >> Bongo >> Solitaire >> Logic (a game for guessing the string of characters based on telling you >> how >> many correct, but not which ones) >> Dino >> Chess >> Blackjack >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Desiree Oudinot" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 11:15 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak >> >> >> I was comparing the games on the Blazie note-takers to those of the >> Braille Note. Yeah, Bongo was great. So was Simon. I'm trying to >> remember what other ones there were now. And even though the voice on >> the Braille Lite was pretty bad, you could change the frequency in >> speech parameters which made it sound neat. I'm not even sure how to >> describe what it did. Maybe someone else can think of a way? Anyway, >> there was a specific pitch, if you set it high enough, and then set >> the frequency as high as it would go, and it sounded hilarious! If >> only I could get the Braille Lite to work again, I would make a >> recording of it. >> >> On 2/10/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: >>> Hahaha. Okay, maybe that is not funny, but I always find trying to make >>> fake >>> voices sound right amusing. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Ignasi Cambra Díaz" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 10:08 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak >>> >>> >>>>I had the 2000. It was pretty good at the time! I remember we bought it >>>>straight from the US because buying it in Spain took lots of time. They >>>>even sent it to me with both Spanish and French languages, but the truth >>>>is >>>> >>>>that no matter what it spoke it always had this thick english accent. >>>> On Feb 9, 2012, at 10:37 PM, >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Wow, now that takes me back. Remember the classic? >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester >>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 10:14 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak >>>>> >>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>>> Ashley brought back memories, on the bullying thread, by bringing up >>>>> the Braille N Speak! >>>>> I had one, in Elementary school, but I don't have it anymore. >>>>> I was just wondering. >>>>> Does anyone still have a Braille N Speak? >>>>> I'm interested in owning one, just for collecting value. >>>>> I'd be interested in purchasing one, if possible. >>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/frandi.galindo%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Feb 10 21:48:30 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:48:30 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school In-Reply-To: <4F3586B5.8070301@visi.com> References: <4f347250.c339320a.693d.04d8@mx.google.com><64E21CADA84C4E51BEBDD9BA3CFECFEC@OwnerPC><595A9A1374F3457BB94EC32C84B2C9F9@OwnerPC> <4F3586B5.8070301@visi.com> Message-ID: that or perkins brailler; it got me through school -----Original Message----- From: David Andrews Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 4:05 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school Slate and stylus! Dave On 2/10/2012 9:58 AM, frandi.galindo at gmail.com wrote: > How else is some one who has vision problems or who is blind suppose to > take notes in schools with out some kind of device that assists them in > doing so. Do people expect them to bust out a pencil and a sheet of paper > and start printing or cursive like the rest of them? Educate. That’s the > magic word. > > -----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home > Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 1:52 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > Actually, I think that there is a problem if you cannot be trusted to not > cheat when using a notetaker on a test. If people cannot trust you with > something like that, they probably cannot trust you with other things. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" > > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 6:40 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > >> Well, it is easy to cheat with a notetaker and I'm surprised blind >> students these days are let to take tests with them. >> When I was in middle and high school, I was not allowed to use my braille >> n speak on exams. >> That said, these students have no business accusing any one of cheating. >> They need to focus on their own work. >> If they don't have evidence of cheating, they cannot do anything about it >> anyway. Just say you are not cheating and go on. >> -----Original Message----- From: Beth >> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 8:26 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> Chris, >> Cheating on tests is a huge thing. IF these kids are trying to >> tarnish your academic integrity, you need to tell the principal >> once again. She will have to educate the kids about blindness >> and academic integrity issues. This is important as you will >> need academic integrity in order to go on to college and >> university and if caught at university doing this, they will >> penalize you and kick you out. Every sylabus at college I saw >> had an Academic Integrity policy on it, and that should be said >> of middle school. >> Beth >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Chris Nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list> Date sent: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:18:17 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> Hi Ashley, >> >> I agree. I don't think this is something which is effecting my >> right to a "free and appropriate education," and therefore >> wouldn't be appropriate for an IEP or to even be brought up at >> the IEP meeting; that is, unless it happens again and again. As >> I reported here last week, I have talked with my principal about >> this, and she has promised to take care of this. I trust that >> she will, so I'm letting it go for now. >> >> Also, after more recent events have happened, the pretzel >> incident seems like a pretty small matter. I won't go through >> all the details, but basically other students at my school have >> been falsely accusing me of cheating on tests (that is, looking >> at notes I take in my notetaker during tests) and being "let off >> the hook" on classwork when I'm really in a pullout class. These >> kids really need to be educated! >> >> Chris >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> Email and Google Talk/Keychat (on the BrailleNote) ID: >> dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com >> Skype: christpher.nusbaum3 or search for Chris Nusbaum >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >> nuisance." >> -- Kenneth Jernigan >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Date sent: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 23:30:25 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> Chris, >> If it happens again and again, then bring it to the IEP team. >> But if not, >> I'd let it go. I mean you let the top official-- the principal >> know. So I >> think that is enough. Its not as if the Iep team will do >> anything more; and >> besides most of them such as your parents and TVI already know >> about the >> issues. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Chris Nusbaum >> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:07 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> You're right; it wouldn't be something to put in my IEP. But do >> you think it would hurt to bring it up to the team? >> >> Chris >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >> nuisance." >> -- Kenneth Jernigan >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Date sent: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 15:09:51 -0800 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> This is not the kind of thing that you put in an IEP. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Hope Paulos" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 4:48 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> >> Hi Chris. I'm assuming you're in high school.. I'd go to >> both your >> principal and your guidance counselor. I wouldn't talk to him >> directly-- I >> think he'd get more dicipline if you had the principal talk to >> him. I'd >> also bring it up during your IEP/PET. >> HTH >> Hope and Beignet >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Beth" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:54 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> >> I knew this kid, speaking of criminals who were playground and >> school >> bullies, who was always harassing me, got mein trouble at lunch >> one day in >> elementary school, and later went on to rape somebody and go to >> jail for >> it. >> Beth >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Desiree Oudinot > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 18:41:07 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> When I was in elementary school, I had kids stealing books from >> me, >> throwing erasers in my hair, pulling chairs out from under me, >> you >> name it, they did it. The worst part was that most times, my >> teachers >> were right there, and refused to do anything about it, because >> they >> too were uncomfortable with my blindness, so why should they >> intervene? I say this because it wasn't so long ago that this >> happened >> to me. I grew up in the 90's, before bullying was the huge deal >> it is >> now, but still close enough to the events of Columbine that it >> wasn't >> completely unheard of either. And it was as "unacceptable" then >> as it >> is now. Yes, I put unacceptable in quotes, because guess what, >> it >> happens every day and so little of it is actually dealt with. >> Meanwhile, things that are no real problem at all are resulting >> in >> criminal records, such as a case I heard about recently where a >> boy >> gave his friend a hug in school and was charged with sexual >> harassment. I forget their exact ages, but they were young, >> elementary >> school age. And yet, kids are driven to suicide, depression, >> drugs, >> and every other dysfunction in the book, because they're bullied >> mercilessly every day and no one will do anything about it. >> Why do I say all this? I say it because I hope your school isn't >> like >> mine was. I hope that someone in authority actually cares. I >> hope that >> it doesn't escalate, because most kids have a cruel streak. I >> think >> it's true what they say about the impulsiveness of >> adolescents--it's >> human nature to be cruel, and at that age, most of us haven't >> learned >> how to control those impulses or aggressions, making them the >> most >> prone not only to selfishness and thoughtlessness, but to almost >> animal rage, not to mention an inability to see beyond their own >> actions to how they might be affecting others. My point is, >> people >> like this have to be stopped. Perhaps if something can get >> through to >> them while they're still young and impressionable, they might >> not grow >> up to be tomorrow's criminals. Or maybe they will, who knows. >> But I've >> seen enough to know what usually happens in these situations, >> even if >> it was 15 years ago; and, in saying that, I hope things have >> evolved >> at least a little bit since then. It makes me sick to read >> messages >> like this. I hope for your sake that these small actions do not >> go >> untouched. Right now this kid is probably testing the waters, >> seeing >> just how much he can get away with. If he can steal a pack of >> gum, so >> to speak, he may try to steal a candy bar next, then a bag of >> chips, >> and on and on it goes, you get the picture. >> >> On 2/1/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >> Chris, I know what you're going through. >> I had a girl, put a dead frog in my shirt, as we were playing >> outside, >> (I was in elementary school, when that happened.) >> Go to your principal, and he/she should do something. >> This stuff has got to stop! >> If they don't do anything, go in front of the schoolboard! >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 2/1/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> I had a problem at school today that I'd like to get your >> thoughts on as to what I should do next. Today during lunch, >> another kid at my table dumped his bag of pretzels into my water >> bottle without my knowing; he must have thought it was some kind >> of funny prank. Fortunately, I was sitting next to a good >> friend >> of mine, who told me about this. Even after multiple people >> commented negatively about what he did, he said nothing. >> >> Variations on this have happened before with this same kid as >> the >> perpetrater; only once before today this school year and 3 times >> last year. The one time something like this happened this year, >> he put his dirty napkin in my Yogurt cup (after I had finished >> eating the Yogurt) without saying anything. The first time >> (with >> the napkin,) I realized that this had happened as I was getting >> my trash together to throw it away. Knowing who did it, since >> he'd done this kind of thing before last year, I said, "(Insert >> name,) why is your napkin in my Yogurt?" Knowing that he had >> been >> caught, he replied, "Oh... sorry." I then talked to the lunch >> lady who is in charge of supervising all of us in the lunchroom. >> She said she would talk to him. I wasn't there when she did, >> but >> apparently she had, as the problem (for about a month and a >> half) >> had been resolved... that is, until today. >> >> I feel that this is a person taking advantage of my blindness >> and >> playing a "prank" on me knowing that I won't catch him. So, >> what >> do you think I should do next? Should I go to our principal? >> Should I talk to him directly? Any suggestions would be greatly >> appreciated! >> Thanks, >> >> Chris >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >> nuisance." >> -- Kenneth Jernigan >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >> 0students.pccua.edu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17 >> %40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo >> se%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%4 >> 0gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40 >> wavecable.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Feb 10 21:50:35 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:50:35 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school In-Reply-To: References: <4f347250.c339320a.693d.04d8@mx.google.com><64E21CADA84C4E51BEBDD9BA3CFECFEC@OwnerPC><595A9A1374F3457BB94EC32C84B2C9F9@OwnerPC><4F3586B5.8070301@visi.com> Message-ID: <397B5BD79FF6428D8E53F23E57BA146E@OwnerPC> Partrick, But it’s a double standard. If teachers can walk around class to ensure no cheating, same should apply to a blind student. So if a blind student uses a braille notetaker, then same standard should apply; otherwise its not fair. The student should have a monitor hooked up to the braille notetaker. But the kids should not make false accusations either; just ignore them. -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Molloy Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 4:29 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school I feel like taking a test on a slate and stylus would take forever! I think we should be able to take tests on notetakers or laptops or whatever. Yes, the technology breaks sometimes, in which case there should be a backup. But how much quicker do professors get the material when we can just type the answers and send them via e-mail? If kids are worrying about cheating, maybe there should be an in-class presentation explaining the technology and how even though it would be POSSIBLE to cheat, it won't happen. It's really no concern of the other students one way or the other. Patrick On 2/10/12, Joshua Lester wrote: > I tried that, in 5th grade, but the kids said, that the popping sound > was too much of a distraction. > My TVI took notes for me, and then, during Braille class, he'd read > them to me, and I'd Braille them out, on the Perkins. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 2/10/12, David Andrews wrote: >> Slate and stylus! >> >> Dave >> >> On 2/10/2012 9:58 AM, frandi.galindo at gmail.com wrote: >>> How else is some one who has vision problems or who is blind suppose >>> to take notes in schools with out some kind of device that assists >>> them in doing so. Do people expect them to bust out a pencil and a >>> sheet of paper and start printing or cursive like the rest of them? >>> Educate. That’s the magic word. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home >>> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 1:52 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>> >>> Actually, I think that there is a problem if you cannot be trusted to >>> not >>> cheat when using a notetaker on a test. If people cannot trust you with >>> something like that, they probably cannot trust you with other things. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" >>> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 6:40 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>> >>> >>>> Well, it is easy to cheat with a notetaker and I'm surprised blind >>>> students these days are let to take tests with them. >>>> When I was in middle and high school, I was not allowed to use my >>>> braille n speak on exams. >>>> That said, these students have no business accusing any one of >>>> cheating. >>>> They need to focus on their own work. >>>> If they don't have evidence of cheating, they cannot do anything >>>> about it anyway. Just say you are not cheating and go on. >>>> -----Original Message----- From: Beth >>>> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 8:26 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>>> >>>> Chris, >>>> Cheating on tests is a huge thing. IF these kids are trying to >>>> tarnish your academic integrity, you need to tell the principal >>>> once again. She will have to educate the kids about blindness >>>> and academic integrity issues. This is important as you will >>>> need academic integrity in order to go on to college and >>>> university and if caught at university doing this, they will >>>> penalize you and kick you out. Every sylabus at college I saw >>>> had an Academic Integrity policy on it, and that should be said >>>> of middle school. >>>> Beth >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Chris Nusbaum >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >>>> list>>> Date sent: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:18:17 -0500 >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>>> >>>> Hi Ashley, >>>> >>>> I agree. I don't think this is something which is effecting my >>>> right to a "free and appropriate education," and therefore >>>> wouldn't be appropriate for an IEP or to even be brought up at >>>> the IEP meeting; that is, unless it happens again and again. As >>>> I reported here last week, I have talked with my principal about >>>> this, and she has promised to take care of this. I trust that >>>> she will, so I'm letting it go for now. >>>> >>>> Also, after more recent events have happened, the pretzel >>>> incident seems like a pretty small matter. I won't go through >>>> all the details, but basically other students at my school have >>>> been falsely accusing me of cheating on tests (that is, looking >>>> at notes I take in my notetaker during tests) and being "let off >>>> the hook" on classwork when I'm really in a pullout class. These >>>> kids really need to be educated! >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>> Email and Google Talk/Keychat (on the BrailleNote) ID: >>>> dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com >>>> Skype: christpher.nusbaum3 or search for Chris Nusbaum >>>> >>>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>>> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>>> nuisance." >>>> -- Kenneth Jernigan >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>> Date sent: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 23:30:25 -0500 >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>>> >>>> Chris, >>>> If it happens again and again, then bring it to the IEP team. >>>> But if not, >>>> I'd let it go. I mean you let the top official-- the principal >>>> know. So I >>>> think that is enough. Its not as if the Iep team will do >>>> anything more; and >>>> besides most of them such as your parents and TVI already know >>>> about the >>>> issues. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Chris Nusbaum >>>> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:07 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>>> >>>> You're right; it wouldn't be something to put in my IEP. But do >>>> you think it would hurt to bring it up to the team? >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>>> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>>> nuisance." >>>> -- Kenneth Jernigan >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>> Date sent: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 15:09:51 -0800 >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>>> >>>> This is not the kind of thing that you put in an IEP. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Hope Paulos" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 4:48 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Chris. I'm assuming you're in high school.. I'd go to >>>> both your >>>> principal and your guidance counselor. I wouldn't talk to him >>>> directly-- I >>>> think he'd get more dicipline if you had the principal talk to >>>> him. I'd >>>> also bring it up during your IEP/PET. >>>> HTH >>>> Hope and Beignet >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Beth" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:54 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>>> >>>> >>>> I knew this kid, speaking of criminals who were playground and >>>> school >>>> bullies, who was always harassing me, got mein trouble at lunch >>>> one day in >>>> elementary school, and later went on to rape somebody and go to >>>> jail for >>>> it. >>>> Beth >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Desiree Oudinot >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>> Date sent: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 18:41:07 -0500 >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>>> >>>> When I was in elementary school, I had kids stealing books from >>>> me, >>>> throwing erasers in my hair, pulling chairs out from under me, >>>> you >>>> name it, they did it. The worst part was that most times, my >>>> teachers >>>> were right there, and refused to do anything about it, because >>>> they >>>> too were uncomfortable with my blindness, so why should they >>>> intervene? I say this because it wasn't so long ago that this >>>> happened >>>> to me. I grew up in the 90's, before bullying was the huge deal >>>> it is >>>> now, but still close enough to the events of Columbine that it >>>> wasn't >>>> completely unheard of either. And it was as "unacceptable" then >>>> as it >>>> is now. Yes, I put unacceptable in quotes, because guess what, >>>> it >>>> happens every day and so little of it is actually dealt with. >>>> Meanwhile, things that are no real problem at all are resulting >>>> in >>>> criminal records, such as a case I heard about recently where a >>>> boy >>>> gave his friend a hug in school and was charged with sexual >>>> harassment. I forget their exact ages, but they were young, >>>> elementary >>>> school age. And yet, kids are driven to suicide, depression, >>>> drugs, >>>> and every other dysfunction in the book, because they're bullied >>>> mercilessly every day and no one will do anything about it. >>>> Why do I say all this? I say it because I hope your school isn't >>>> like >>>> mine was. I hope that someone in authority actually cares. I >>>> hope that >>>> it doesn't escalate, because most kids have a cruel streak. I >>>> think >>>> it's true what they say about the impulsiveness of >>>> adolescents--it's >>>> human nature to be cruel, and at that age, most of us haven't >>>> learned >>>> how to control those impulses or aggressions, making them the >>>> most >>>> prone not only to selfishness and thoughtlessness, but to almost >>>> animal rage, not to mention an inability to see beyond their own >>>> actions to how they might be affecting others. My point is, >>>> people >>>> like this have to be stopped. Perhaps if something can get >>>> through to >>>> them while they're still young and impressionable, they might >>>> not grow >>>> up to be tomorrow's criminals. Or maybe they will, who knows. >>>> But I've >>>> seen enough to know what usually happens in these situations, >>>> even if >>>> it was 15 years ago; and, in saying that, I hope things have >>>> evolved >>>> at least a little bit since then. It makes me sick to read >>>> messages >>>> like this. I hope for your sake that these small actions do not >>>> go >>>> untouched. Right now this kid is probably testing the waters, >>>> seeing >>>> just how much he can get away with. If he can steal a pack of >>>> gum, so >>>> to speak, he may try to steal a candy bar next, then a bag of >>>> chips, >>>> and on and on it goes, you get the picture. >>>> >>>> On 2/1/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>> Chris, I know what you're going through. >>>> I had a girl, put a dead frog in my shirt, as we were playing >>>> outside, >>>> (I was in elementary school, when that happened.) >>>> Go to your principal, and he/she should do something. >>>> This stuff has got to stop! >>>> If they don't do anything, go in front of the schoolboard! >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>> >>>> On 2/1/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>>> Hi everyone, >>>> >>>> I had a problem at school today that I'd like to get your >>>> thoughts on as to what I should do next. Today during lunch, >>>> another kid at my table dumped his bag of pretzels into my water >>>> bottle without my knowing; he must have thought it was some kind >>>> of funny prank. Fortunately, I was sitting next to a good >>>> friend >>>> of mine, who told me about this. Even after multiple people >>>> commented negatively about what he did, he said nothing. >>>> >>>> Variations on this have happened before with this same kid as >>>> the >>>> perpetrater; only once before today this school year and 3 times >>>> last year. The one time something like this happened this year, >>>> he put his dirty napkin in my Yogurt cup (after I had finished >>>> eating the Yogurt) without saying anything. The first time >>>> (with >>>> the napkin,) I realized that this had happened as I was getting >>>> my trash together to throw it away. Knowing who did it, since >>>> he'd done this kind of thing before last year, I said, "(Insert >>>> name,) why is your napkin in my Yogurt?" Knowing that he had >>>> been >>>> caught, he replied, "Oh... sorry." I then talked to the lunch >>>> lady who is in charge of supervising all of us in the lunchroom. >>>> She said she would talk to him. I wasn't there when she did, >>>> but >>>> apparently she had, as the problem (for about a month and a >>>> half) >>>> had been resolved... that is, until today. >>>> >>>> I feel that this is a person taking advantage of my blindness >>>> and >>>> playing a "prank" on me knowing that I won't catch him. So, >>>> what >>>> do you think I should do next? Should I go to our principal? >>>> Should I talk to him directly? Any suggestions would be greatly >>>> appreciated! >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>>> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>>> nuisance." >>>> -- Kenneth Jernigan >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >>>> 0students.pccua.edu >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17 >>>> %40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo >>>> se%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%4 >>>> 0gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40 >>>> wavecable.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Fri Feb 10 22:19:31 2012 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:19:31 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak In-Reply-To: <1ABC5AAF4E93457CA01759E7D4649F88@OwnerPC> References: <71A795612A4844FCA5C615D21898733E@OwnerPC> <5AF68DB4-5861-41D1-9367-0F619CF8D15F@gmail.com> <5FD43DF5F732430B843E8AFBB9104996@stanford.edu> <68149A52D1BA4B14B2419347D70F5016@stanford.edu> <1ABC5AAF4E93457CA01759E7D4649F88@OwnerPC> Message-ID: I get both formats, but I'd prefer only getting the cassettes. Also, one of the digitized books, that I wanted to read, is not available on cassette. I guess, I'll have someone show me how to use the new player, at convention. Blessings, Joshua On 2/10/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Joshua, > Actually till they get all tapes converted, they do have both formats. You > might have to wait two weeks though for the tape to be mailed though; you > call your nls cooperating library and order a book and ask for it on > cassette; if they have it at the multi state wearhouse where old books are > housed they send it to you. > For instance, I got touch the top of the world and some Phillis renolds > naylor books on cassette. Not all books have been digitized; same with older > books in the 1990s of Annie Dillard or Ann lammott. > Point being don't assume they don't have both formats; ask first. And if you > have trouble with the digital cartriges, ask someone in the library to show > you how to use them. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 2:16 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak > > I'm having difficulty playing my cartridges, so they should keep both > formats. > That way, those of us, who are used to one, can stay with that one format. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 2/10/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: >> Because they are better in many ways. Do I need to qualify that? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joshua Lester" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 12:31 AM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak >> >> >> That's like turning the pitch, and the speed up on the NLS tape player. >> Why did NLS move to cartridges? >> Leave the cassettes alone! >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 2/10/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: >>> Oh, let's see... >>> Hangman >>> Simon >>> Bongo >>> Solitaire >>> Logic (a game for guessing the string of characters based on telling you >>> how >>> many correct, but not which ones) >>> Dino >>> Chess >>> Blackjack >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Desiree Oudinot" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 11:15 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak >>> >>> >>> I was comparing the games on the Blazie note-takers to those of the >>> Braille Note. Yeah, Bongo was great. So was Simon. I'm trying to >>> remember what other ones there were now. And even though the voice on >>> the Braille Lite was pretty bad, you could change the frequency in >>> speech parameters which made it sound neat. I'm not even sure how to >>> describe what it did. Maybe someone else can think of a way? Anyway, >>> there was a specific pitch, if you set it high enough, and then set >>> the frequency as high as it would go, and it sounded hilarious! If >>> only I could get the Braille Lite to work again, I would make a >>> recording of it. >>> >>> On 2/10/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: >>>> Hahaha. Okay, maybe that is not funny, but I always find trying to make >>>> fake >>>> voices sound right amusing. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Ignasi Cambra Díaz" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 10:08 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak >>>> >>>> >>>>>I had the 2000. It was pretty good at the time! I remember we bought it >>>>>straight from the US because buying it in Spain took lots of time. They >>>>>even sent it to me with both Spanish and French languages, but the truth >>>>>is >>>>> >>>>>that no matter what it spoke it always had this thick english accent. >>>>> On Feb 9, 2012, at 10:37 PM, >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Wow, now that takes me back. Remember the classic? >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 10:14 PM >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Braille N Speak >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>>>> Ashley brought back memories, on the bullying thread, by bringing up >>>>>> the Braille N Speak! >>>>>> I had one, in Elementary school, but I don't have it anymore. >>>>>> I was just wondering. >>>>>> Does anyone still have a Braille N Speak? >>>>>> I'm interested in owning one, just for collecting value. >>>>>> I'd be interested in purchasing one, if possible. >>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/frandi.galindo%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Feb 10 22:38:40 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 17:38:40 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible phones from Verizon Message-ID: <4f359c7d.88d8e00a.0170.ffffc32b@mx.google.com> The Haven does read text messages. Chris Chris Nusbaum Email and Google Talk/Keychat (on the BrailleNote) ID: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Skype: christpher.nusbaum3 or search for Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gloria G" wrote: If you want an accessible phone from Verizon without getting a smartphone, the Haven from Sampsung is a great option for you! If you would like more information, please email me off-list at dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com. Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gloria G" <64E21CADA84C4E51BEBDD9BA3CFECFEC@OwnerPC><595A9A1374F3457BB94EC32C84B2C9F9@OwnerPC><5139957F6E88447A8E0B91FA7FA21146@OwnerPC> <8BF4EB0F103A4A9A8B5C64E2113329A5@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <002301cce845$a7876ec0$1400ba43@BRIAN> Chris is in middle not high school. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > Nicole, > Excuse me, we are talking high school, not college. > Read the original email. Chris is in eigth grade and students are acusing > him of cheating. > > I think they are just trying to bully him. But that said, I think he > needs to ensure they can see his work like other students. There needs to > be visual verification, just as there is for other students. > So, if you need to use your technology, hook up a display to it. Then when > students acuse you of something, you have the teacher's backing since > they saw you do the exam. > > Personally, I think blind students get to use electronics way too much. If > sighted students have to write by hand and read the test, why not blind > students. Read the braille test and write answers. > Many schools do not let you use personal computers and IMO it should stay > that way. > > Also, having options is important because your technology can break down. > It seems like blind students are treated and trusted more so than sighted > students in public school these days with taking exams on their equipment. > I didn't do that. It worked okay so I know there are other options. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home > Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 1:45 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > Please be careful about making blanket statements. What may be/have been > for > you may not be the case for everyone. I am currently attending college, > and > I am allowed to use both my BrailleNote and my laptop on tests. Of course, > there is that thing called the honor code that says that cheating is > against > the rules. It applies to me no differently than it applies to other > students. This is enough to ensure that I do not cheat. As I said in a > previous email, if you cannot be trusted to not cheat on tests, then it's > possible that you cannot be trusted with certain other things. > As for your options for other test taking methods, only 5 is really > practical in a college setting. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 9:42 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school > > >> Hi, >> Well, I think there needs to be supervision of these notetakers if they >> are used in test situations. >> I think a monitor should be hooked up to the notetaker for monitoring. >> Alternatively you can take tests a number of different ways in high >> school; I am glad I did not use my notetaker as the temptation to look at >> notes would be there and besides I firmly believe one needs to keep up >> their hard copy braille skills and not rely on notetakers all the time. >> BTW, you do not use a notetaker in college; you use a computer or a >> reader for tests. You cannot use your own PDA such as a braille notetaker >> or personal laptop either; at least where I went to school you do not >> because they know you have personal and school info on your laptop, >> notetaker, I Pad, etc. >> >> Why should blind students get to use electronic equipment when the rest >> of the class has to write by hand? >> You have an advantage if you use a pc or notetaker because you can edit >> your work. >> >> Instead of a notetaker you can take tests these ways and eliminate the >> questions that you might be cheating: >> 1. Have your TVI, teacher of the visually impaired, read it to you. >> 2. Have an aide read it to you if one works with you. >> 3. If you have to write, you write on a brailler and your TVI transcribes >> it. Oh what a concept; write by hand like everyone else! >> >> 4. Read it in braille and mark your answers in braille on a brailler. You >> can also mark your answers with a crayone or something else. >> >> 5. Take the test on a school issued computer that has none of your study >> notes on it. >> >> That said I'm sure no cheating is going on; but just saying if you want >> to eliminate suspicions, you do not use your own >> notetaker which has your notes on it. >> >> Ashley >> -----Original Message----- >> From: frandi.galindo at gmail.com >> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 10:58 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> How else is some one who has vision problems or who is blind suppose to >> take >> notes in schools with out some kind of device that assists them in doing >> so. >> Do people expect them to bust out a pencil and a sheet of paper and start >> printing or cursive like the rest of them? Educate. That’s the magic >> word. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home >> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 1:52 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> Actually, I think that there is a problem if you cannot be trusted to not >> cheat when using a notetaker on a test. If people cannot trust you with >> something like that, they probably cannot trust you with other things. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ashley Bramlett" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 6:40 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >> >> >>> Well, it is easy to cheat with a notetaker and I'm surprised blind >>> students these days are let to take tests with them. >>> When I was in middle and high school, I was not allowed to use my >>> braille n speak on exams. >>> That said, these students have no business accusing any one of cheating. >>> They need to focus on their own work. >>> If they don't have evidence of cheating, they cannot do anything about >>> it anyway. Just say you are not cheating and go on. >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Beth >>> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 8:26 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>> >>> Chris, >>> Cheating on tests is a huge thing. IF these kids are trying to >>> tarnish your academic integrity, you need to tell the principal >>> once again. She will have to educate the kids about blindness >>> and academic integrity issues. This is important as you will >>> need academic integrity in order to go on to college and >>> university and if caught at university doing this, they will >>> penalize you and kick you out. Every sylabus at college I saw >>> had an Academic Integrity policy on it, and that should be said >>> of middle school. >>> Beth >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Chris Nusbaum >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> list>> Date sent: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:18:17 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>> >>> Hi Ashley, >>> >>> I agree. I don't think this is something which is effecting my >>> right to a "free and appropriate education," and therefore >>> wouldn't be appropriate for an IEP or to even be brought up at >>> the IEP meeting; that is, unless it happens again and again. As >>> I reported here last week, I have talked with my principal about >>> this, and she has promised to take care of this. I trust that >>> she will, so I'm letting it go for now. >>> >>> Also, after more recent events have happened, the pretzel >>> incident seems like a pretty small matter. I won't go through >>> all the details, but basically other students at my school have >>> been falsely accusing me of cheating on tests (that is, looking >>> at notes I take in my notetaker during tests) and being "let off >>> the hook" on classwork when I'm really in a pullout class. These >>> kids really need to be educated! >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> Email and Google Talk/Keychat (on the BrailleNote) ID: >>> dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com >>> Skype: christpher.nusbaum3 or search for Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>> nuisance." >>> -- Kenneth Jernigan >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Date sent: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 23:30:25 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>> >>> Chris, >>> If it happens again and again, then bring it to the IEP team. >>> But if not, >>> I'd let it go. I mean you let the top official-- the principal >>> know. So I >>> think that is enough. Its not as if the Iep team will do >>> anything more; and >>> besides most of them such as your parents and TVI already know >>> about the >>> issues. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Chris Nusbaum >>> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:07 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>> >>> You're right; it wouldn't be something to put in my IEP. But do >>> you think it would hurt to bring it up to the team? >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>> nuisance." >>> -- Kenneth Jernigan >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Date sent: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 15:09:51 -0800 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>> >>> This is not the kind of thing that you put in an IEP. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Hope Paulos" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 4:48 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>> >>> >>> Hi Chris. I'm assuming you're in high school.. I'd go to >>> both your >>> principal and your guidance counselor. I wouldn't talk to him >>> directly-- I >>> think he'd get more dicipline if you had the principal talk to >>> him. I'd >>> also bring it up during your IEP/PET. >>> HTH >>> Hope and Beignet >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Beth" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:54 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>> >>> >>> I knew this kid, speaking of criminals who were playground and >>> school >>> bullies, who was always harassing me, got mein trouble at lunch >>> one day in >>> elementary school, and later went on to rape somebody and go to >>> jail for >>> it. >>> Beth >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Desiree Oudinot >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 18:41:07 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school >>> >>> When I was in elementary school, I had kids stealing books from >>> me, >>> throwing erasers in my hair, pulling chairs out from under me, >>> you >>> name it, they did it. The worst part was that most times, my >>> teachers >>> were right there, and refused to do anything about it, because >>> they >>> too were uncomfortable with my blindness, so why should they >>> intervene? I say this because it wasn't so long ago that this >>> happened >>> to me. I grew up in the 90's, before bullying was the huge deal >>> it is >>> now, but still close enough to the events of Columbine that it >>> wasn't >>> completely unheard of either. And it was as "unacceptable" then >>> as it >>> is now. Yes, I put unacceptable in quotes, because guess what, >>> it >>> happens every day and so little of it is actually dealt with. >>> Meanwhile, things that are no real problem at all are resulting >>> in >>> criminal records, such as a case I heard about recently where a >>> boy >>> gave his friend a hug in school and was charged with sexual >>> harassment. I forget their exact ages, but they were young, >>> elementary >>> school age. And yet, kids are driven to suicide, depression, >>> drugs, >>> and every other dysfunction in the book, because they're bullied >>> mercilessly every day and no one will do anything about it. >>> Why do I say all this? I say it because I hope your school isn't >>> like >>> mine was. I hope that someone in authority actually cares. I >>> hope that >>> it doesn't escalate, because most kids have a cruel streak. I >>> think >>> it's true what they say about the impulsiveness of >>> adolescents--it's >>> human nature to be cruel, and at that age, most of us haven't >>> learned >>> how to control those impulses or aggressions, making them the >>> most >>> prone not only to selfishness and thoughtlessness, but to almost >>> animal rage, not to mention an inability to see beyond their own >>> actions to how they might be affecting others. My point is, >>> people >>> like this have to be stopped. Perhaps if something can get >>> through to >>> them while they're still young and impressionable, they might >>> not grow >>> up to be tomorrow's criminals. Or maybe they will, who knows. >>> But I've >>> seen enough to know what usually happens in these situations, >>> even if >>> it was 15 years ago; and, in saying that, I hope things have >>> evolved >>> at least a little bit since then. It makes me sick to read >>> messages >>> like this. I hope for your sake that these small actions do not >>> go >>> untouched. Right now this kid is probably testing the waters, >>> seeing >>> just how much he can get away with. If he can steal a pack of >>> gum, so >>> to speak, he may try to steal a candy bar next, then a bag of >>> chips, >>> and on and on it goes, you get the picture. >>> >>> On 2/1/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> Chris, I know what you're going through. >>> I had a girl, put a dead frog in my shirt, as we were playing >>> outside, >>> (I was in elementary school, when that happened.) >>> Go to your principal, and he/she should do something. >>> This stuff has got to stop! >>> If they don't do anything, go in front of the schoolboard! >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 2/1/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> I had a problem at school today that I'd like to get your >>> thoughts on as to what I should do next. Today during lunch, >>> another kid at my table dumped his bag of pretzels into my water >>> bottle without my knowing; he must have thought it was some kind >>> of funny prank. Fortunately, I was sitting next to a good >>> friend >>> of mine, who told me about this. Even after multiple people >>> commented negatively about what he did, he said nothing. >>> >>> Variations on this have happened before with this same kid as >>> the >>> perpetrater; only once before today this school year and 3 times >>> last year. The one time something like this happened this year, >>> he put his dirty napkin in my Yogurt cup (after I had finished >>> eating the Yogurt) without saying anything. The first time >>> (with >>> the napkin,) I realized that this had happened as I was getting >>> my trash together to throw it away. Knowing who did it, since >>> he'd done this kind of thing before last year, I said, "(Insert >>> name,) why is your napkin in my Yogurt?" Knowing that he had >>> been >>> caught, he replied, "Oh... sorry." I then talked to the lunch >>> lady who is in charge of supervising all of us in the lunchroom. >>> She said she would talk to him. I wasn't there when she did, >>> but >>> apparently she had, as the problem (for about a month and a >>> half) >>> had been resolved... that is, until today. >>> >>> I feel that this is a person taking advantage of my blindness >>> and >>> playing a "prank" on me knowing that I won't catch him. So, >>> what >>> do you think I should do next? Should I go to our principal? >>> Should I talk to him directly? Any suggestions would be greatly >>> appreciated! >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>> exists. 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_______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brian.hatgelakas%40verizon.net > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Feb 10 22:38:33 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 17:38:33 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Skype Problems Message-ID: <4f359c75.88d8e00a.0170.ffffc321@mx.google.com> Try alt tabbing and see if you can get back to the main Skype window. By the way, what is your Skype name? If you would prefer, you can send it to me off-list. Chris Chris Nusbaum Email and Google Talk/Keychat (on the BrailleNote) ID: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Skype: christpher.nusbaum3 or search for Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home"