[nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school

Fri Feb 10 06:52:41 UTC 2012

Actually, I think that there is a problem if you cannot be trusted to not 
cheat when using a notetaker on a test. If people cannot trust you with 
something like that, they probably cannot trust you with other things.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school

> Well, it is easy to cheat with a notetaker and I'm surprised blind 
> students these days are let to take tests with them.
> When I was in middle and high school, I was not allowed to use my braille 
> n speak on exams.
> That said, these students have no business accusing any one of cheating.
> They need to focus on their own work.
> If they don't have evidence of cheating, they cannot do anything about it 
> anyway. Just say you are not cheating and go on.
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Beth
> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 8:26 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school
>
> Chris,
> Cheating on tests is a huge thing.  IF these kids are trying to
> tarnish your academic integrity, you need to tell the principal
> once again.  She will have to educate the kids about blindness
> and academic integrity issues.  This is important as you will
> need academic integrity in order to go on to college and
> university and if caught at university doing this, they will
> penalize you and kick you out.  Every sylabus at college I saw
> had an Academic Integrity policy on it, and that should be said
> of middle school.
> Beth
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
> list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:18:17 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school
>
> Hi Ashley,
>
> I agree.  I don't think this is something which is effecting my
> right to a "free and appropriate education," and therefore
> wouldn't be appropriate for an IEP or to even be brought up at
> the IEP meeting; that is, unless it happens again and again.  As
> I reported here last week, I have talked with my principal about
> this, and she has promised to take care of this.  I trust that
> she will, so I'm letting it go for now.
>
> Also, after more recent events have happened, the pretzel
> incident seems like a pretty small matter.  I won't go through
> all the details, but basically other students at my school have
> been falsely accusing me of cheating on tests (that is, looking
> at notes I take in my notetaker during tests) and being "let off
> the hook" on classwork when I'm really in a pullout class.  These
> kids really need to be educated!
>
> Chris
>
> Chris Nusbaum
> Email and Google Talk/Keychat (on the BrailleNote) ID:
> dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
> Skype: christpher.nusbaum3 or search for Chris Nusbaum
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
> nuisance."
> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 23:30:25 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school
>
> Chris,
> If it happens again and again, then bring it to the IEP team.
> But if not,
> I'd let it go.  I mean you let the top official-- the principal
> know.  So I
> think that is enough.  Its not as if the Iep team will do
> anything more; and
> besides most of them such as your parents and TVI already know
> about the
> issues.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Nusbaum
> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:07 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school
>
> You're right; it wouldn't be something to put in my IEP.  But do
> you think it would hurt to bring it up to the team?
>
> Chris
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
> nuisance."
> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 15:09:51 -0800
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school
>
> This is not the kind of thing that you put in an IEP.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hope Paulos" <hope.paulos at gmail.com
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 4:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school
>
>
>    Hi Chris.  I'm assuming you're in high school..  I'd go to
> both your
> principal and your guidance counselor.  I wouldn't talk to him
> directly-- I
> think he'd get more dicipline if you had the principal talk to
> him.  I'd
> also bring it up during your IEP/PET.
> HTH
> Hope and Beignet
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school
>
>
> I knew this kid, speaking of criminals who were playground and
> school
> bullies, who was always harassing me, got mein trouble at lunch
> one day in
> elementary school, and later went on to rape somebody and go to
> jail for
> it.
> Beth
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Desiree Oudinot <turtlepower17 at gmail.com
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 18:41:07 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school
>
> When I was in elementary school, I had kids stealing books from
> me,
> throwing erasers in my hair, pulling chairs out from under me,
> you
> name it, they did it.  The worst part was that most times, my
> teachers
> were right there, and refused to do anything about it, because
> they
> too were uncomfortable with my blindness, so why should they
> intervene? I say this because it wasn't so long ago that this
> happened
> to me.  I grew up in the 90's, before bullying was the huge deal
> it is
> now, but still close enough to the events of Columbine that it
> wasn't
> completely unheard of either.  And it was as "unacceptable" then
> as it
> is now.  Yes, I put unacceptable in quotes, because guess what,
> it
> happens every day and so little of it is actually dealt with.
> Meanwhile, things that are no real problem at all are resulting
> in
> criminal records, such as a case I heard about recently where a
> boy
> gave his friend a hug in school and was charged with sexual
> harassment.  I forget their exact ages, but they were young,
> elementary
> school age.  And yet, kids are driven to suicide, depression,
> drugs,
> and every other dysfunction in the book, because they're bullied
> mercilessly every day and no one will do anything about it.
> Why do I say all this? I say it because I hope your school isn't
> like
> mine was.  I hope that someone in authority actually cares.  I
> hope that
> it doesn't escalate, because most kids have a cruel streak.  I
> think
> it's true what they say about the impulsiveness of
> adolescents--it's
> human nature to be cruel, and at that age, most of us haven't
> learned
> how to control those impulses or aggressions, making them the
> most
> prone not only to selfishness and thoughtlessness, but to almost
> animal rage, not to mention an inability to see beyond their own
> actions to how they might be affecting others.  My point is,
> people
> like this have to be stopped.  Perhaps if something can get
> through to
> them while they're still young and impressionable, they might
> not grow
> up to be tomorrow's criminals.  Or maybe they will, who knows.
> But I've
> seen enough to know what usually happens in these situations,
> even if
> it was 15 years ago; and, in saying that, I hope things have
> evolved
> at least a little bit since then.  It makes me sick to read
> messages
> like this.  I hope for your sake that these small actions do not
> go
> untouched.  Right now this kid is probably testing the waters,
> seeing
> just how much he can get away with.  If he can steal a pack of
> gum, so
> to speak, he may try to steal a candy bar next, then a bag of
> chips,
> and on and on it goes, you get the picture.
>
> On 2/1/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
> Chris, I know what you're going through.
> I had a girl, put a dead frog in my shirt, as we were playing
> outside,
> (I was in elementary school, when that happened.)
> Go to your principal, and he/she should do something.
> This stuff has got to stop!
> If they don't do anything, go in front of the schoolboard!
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 2/1/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I had a problem at school today that I'd like to get your
> thoughts on as to what I should do next.  Today during lunch,
> another kid at my table dumped his bag of pretzels into my water
> bottle without my knowing; he must have thought it was some kind
> of funny prank.  Fortunately, I was sitting next to a good
> friend
> of mine, who told me about this.  Even after multiple people
> commented negatively about what he did, he said nothing.
>
> Variations on this have happened before with this same kid as
> the
> perpetrater; only once before today this school year and 3 times
> last year.  The one time something like this happened this year,
> he put his dirty napkin in my Yogurt cup (after I had finished
> eating the Yogurt) without saying anything.  The first time
> (with
> the napkin,) I realized that this had happened as I was getting
> my trash together to throw it away.  Knowing who did it, since
> he'd done this kind of thing before last year, I said, "(Insert
> name,) why is your napkin in my Yogurt?" Knowing that he had
> been
> caught, he replied, "Oh...  sorry." I then talked to the lunch
> lady who is in charge of supervising all of us in the lunchroom.
> She said she would talk to him.  I wasn't there when she did,
> but
> apparently she had, as the problem (for about a month and a
> half)
> had been resolved...  that is, until today.
>
> I feel that this is a person taking advantage of my blindness
> and
> playing a "prank" on me knowing that I won't catch him.  So,
> what
> do you think I should do next? Should I go to our principal?
> Should I talk to him directly? Any suggestions would be greatly
> appreciated!
> Thanks,
>
> Chris
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
> nuisance."
> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>
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