[nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school

[Joshua Lester]

That would be great, for something, for Meet the Blind Month!
When is it again?
Thanks, Joshua

On 2/10/12, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
> I feel like taking a test on a slate and stylus would take forever! I
> think we should be able to take tests on notetakers or laptops or
> whatever. Yes, the technology breaks sometimes, in which case there
> should be a backup. But how much quicker do professors get the
> material when we can just type the answers and send them via e-mail?
> If kids are worrying about cheating, maybe there should be an in-class
> presentation explaining the technology and how even though it would be
> POSSIBLE to cheat, it won't happen. It's really no concern of the
> other students one way or the other.
> Patrick
>
> On 2/10/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>> I tried that, in 5th grade, but the kids said, that the popping sound
>> was too much of a distraction.
>> My TVI took notes for me, and then, during Braille class, he'd read
>> them to me, and I'd Braille them out, on the Perkins.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 2/10/12, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:
>>> Slate and stylus!
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> On 2/10/2012 9:58 AM, frandi.galindo at gmail.com wrote:
>>>> How else is some one who has vision problems or who is blind suppose
>>>> to take notes in schools with out some kind of device that assists
>>>> them in doing so. Do people expect them to bust out a pencil and a
>>>> sheet of paper and start printing or cursive like the rest of them?
>>>> Educate.  That’s the magic word.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>>> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 1:52 AM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school
>>>>
>>>> Actually, I think that there is a problem if you cannot be trusted to
>>>> not
>>>> cheat when using a notetaker on a test. If people cannot trust you with
>>>> something like that, they probably cannot trust you with other things.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett"
>>>> <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 6:40 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Well, it is easy to cheat with a notetaker and I'm surprised blind
>>>>> students these days are let to take tests with them.
>>>>> When I was in middle and high school, I was not allowed to use my
>>>>> braille n speak on exams.
>>>>> That said, these students have no business accusing any one of
>>>>> cheating.
>>>>> They need to focus on their own work.
>>>>> If they don't have evidence of cheating, they cannot do anything
>>>>> about it anyway. Just say you are not cheating and go on.
>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Beth
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 8:26 PM
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris,
>>>>> Cheating on tests is a huge thing.  IF these kids are trying to
>>>>> tarnish your academic integrity, you need to tell the principal
>>>>> once again.  She will have to educate the kids about blindness
>>>>> and academic integrity issues.  This is important as you will
>>>>> need academic integrity in order to go on to college and
>>>>> university and if caught at university doing this, they will
>>>>> penalize you and kick you out.  Every sylabus at college I saw
>>>>> had an Academic Integrity policy on it, and that should be said
>>>>> of middle school.
>>>>> Beth
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
>>>>> list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Date sent: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:18:17 -0500
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Ashley,
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree.  I don't think this is something which is effecting my
>>>>> right to a "free and appropriate education," and therefore
>>>>> wouldn't be appropriate for an IEP or to even be brought up at
>>>>> the IEP meeting; that is, unless it happens again and again.  As
>>>>> I reported here last week, I have talked with my principal about
>>>>> this, and she has promised to take care of this.  I trust that
>>>>> she will, so I'm letting it go for now.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, after more recent events have happened, the pretzel
>>>>> incident seems like a pretty small matter.  I won't go through
>>>>> all the details, but basically other students at my school have
>>>>> been falsely accusing me of cheating on tests (that is, looking
>>>>> at notes I take in my notetaker during tests) and being "let off
>>>>> the hook" on classwork when I'm really in a pullout class.  These
>>>>> kids really need to be educated!
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris Nusbaum
>>>>> Email and Google Talk/Keychat (on the BrailleNote) ID:
>>>>> dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
>>>>> Skype: christpher.nusbaum3 or search for Chris Nusbaum
>>>>>
>>>>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
>>>>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>>>>> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
>>>>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
>>>>> nuisance."
>>>>> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Date sent: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 23:30:25 -0500
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris,
>>>>> If it happens again and again, then bring it to the IEP team.
>>>>> But if not,
>>>>> I'd let it go.  I mean you let the top official-- the principal
>>>>> know.  So I
>>>>> think that is enough.  Its not as if the Iep team will do
>>>>> anything more; and
>>>>> besides most of them such as your parents and TVI already know
>>>>> about the
>>>>> issues.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Chris Nusbaum
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:07 PM
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school
>>>>>
>>>>> You're right; it wouldn't be something to put in my IEP.  But do
>>>>> you think it would hurt to bring it up to the team?
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
>>>>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>>>>> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
>>>>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
>>>>> nuisance."
>>>>> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Date sent: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 15:09:51 -0800
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school
>>>>>
>>>>> This is not the kind of thing that you put in an IEP.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Hope Paulos" <hope.paulos at gmail.com
>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 4:48 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    Hi Chris.  I'm assuming you're in high school..  I'd go to
>>>>> both your
>>>>> principal and your guidance counselor.  I wouldn't talk to him
>>>>> directly-- I
>>>>> think he'd get more dicipline if you had the principal talk to
>>>>> him.  I'd
>>>>> also bring it up during your IEP/PET.
>>>>> HTH
>>>>> Hope and Beignet
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:54 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I knew this kid, speaking of criminals who were playground and
>>>>> school
>>>>> bullies, who was always harassing me, got mein trouble at lunch
>>>>> one day in
>>>>> elementary school, and later went on to rape somebody and go to
>>>>> jail for
>>>>> it.
>>>>> Beth
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Desiree Oudinot <turtlepower17 at gmail.com
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Date sent: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 18:41:07 -0500
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school
>>>>>
>>>>> When I was in elementary school, I had kids stealing books from
>>>>> me,
>>>>> throwing erasers in my hair, pulling chairs out from under me,
>>>>> you
>>>>> name it, they did it.  The worst part was that most times, my
>>>>> teachers
>>>>> were right there, and refused to do anything about it, because
>>>>> they
>>>>> too were uncomfortable with my blindness, so why should they
>>>>> intervene? I say this because it wasn't so long ago that this
>>>>> happened
>>>>> to me.  I grew up in the 90's, before bullying was the huge deal
>>>>> it is
>>>>> now, but still close enough to the events of Columbine that it
>>>>> wasn't
>>>>> completely unheard of either.  And it was as "unacceptable" then
>>>>> as it
>>>>> is now.  Yes, I put unacceptable in quotes, because guess what,
>>>>> it
>>>>> happens every day and so little of it is actually dealt with.
>>>>> Meanwhile, things that are no real problem at all are resulting
>>>>> in
>>>>> criminal records, such as a case I heard about recently where a
>>>>> boy
>>>>> gave his friend a hug in school and was charged with sexual
>>>>> harassment.  I forget their exact ages, but they were young,
>>>>> elementary
>>>>> school age.  And yet, kids are driven to suicide, depression,
>>>>> drugs,
>>>>> and every other dysfunction in the book, because they're bullied
>>>>> mercilessly every day and no one will do anything about it.
>>>>> Why do I say all this? I say it because I hope your school isn't
>>>>> like
>>>>> mine was.  I hope that someone in authority actually cares.  I
>>>>> hope that
>>>>> it doesn't escalate, because most kids have a cruel streak.  I
>>>>> think
>>>>> it's true what they say about the impulsiveness of
>>>>> adolescents--it's
>>>>> human nature to be cruel, and at that age, most of us haven't
>>>>> learned
>>>>> how to control those impulses or aggressions, making them the
>>>>> most
>>>>> prone not only to selfishness and thoughtlessness, but to almost
>>>>> animal rage, not to mention an inability to see beyond their own
>>>>> actions to how they might be affecting others.  My point is,
>>>>> people
>>>>> like this have to be stopped.  Perhaps if something can get
>>>>> through to
>>>>> them while they're still young and impressionable, they might
>>>>> not grow
>>>>> up to be tomorrow's criminals.  Or maybe they will, who knows.
>>>>> But I've
>>>>> seen enough to know what usually happens in these situations,
>>>>> even if
>>>>> it was 15 years ago; and, in saying that, I hope things have
>>>>> evolved
>>>>> at least a little bit since then.  It makes me sick to read
>>>>> messages
>>>>> like this.  I hope for your sake that these small actions do not
>>>>> go
>>>>> untouched.  Right now this kid is probably testing the waters,
>>>>> seeing
>>>>> just how much he can get away with.  If he can steal a pack of
>>>>> gum, so
>>>>> to speak, he may try to steal a candy bar next, then a bag of
>>>>> chips,
>>>>> and on and on it goes, you get the picture.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/1/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>>>>> Chris, I know what you're going through.
>>>>> I had a girl, put a dead frog in my shirt, as we were playing
>>>>> outside,
>>>>> (I was in elementary school, when that happened.)
>>>>> Go to your principal, and he/she should do something.
>>>>> This stuff has got to stop!
>>>>> If they don't do anything, go in front of the schoolboard!
>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/1/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> I had a problem at school today that I'd like to get your
>>>>> thoughts on as to what I should do next.  Today during lunch,
>>>>> another kid at my table dumped his bag of pretzels into my water
>>>>> bottle without my knowing; he must have thought it was some kind
>>>>> of funny prank.  Fortunately, I was sitting next to a good
>>>>> friend
>>>>> of mine, who told me about this.  Even after multiple people
>>>>> commented negatively about what he did, he said nothing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Variations on this have happened before with this same kid as
>>>>> the
>>>>> perpetrater; only once before today this school year and 3 times
>>>>> last year.  The one time something like this happened this year,
>>>>> he put his dirty napkin in my Yogurt cup (after I had finished
>>>>> eating the Yogurt) without saying anything.  The first time
>>>>> (with
>>>>> the napkin,) I realized that this had happened as I was getting
>>>>> my trash together to throw it away.  Knowing who did it, since
>>>>> he'd done this kind of thing before last year, I said, "(Insert
>>>>> name,) why is your napkin in my Yogurt?" Knowing that he had
>>>>> been
>>>>> caught, he replied, "Oh...  sorry." I then talked to the lunch
>>>>> lady who is in charge of supervising all of us in the lunchroom.
>>>>> She said she would talk to him.  I wasn't there when she did,
>>>>> but
>>>>> apparently she had, as the problem (for about a month and a
>>>>> half)
>>>>> had been resolved...  that is, until today.
>>>>>
>>>>> I feel that this is a person taking advantage of my blindness
>>>>> and
>>>>> playing a "prank" on me knowing that I won't catch him.  So,
>>>>> what
>>>>> do you think I should do next? Should I go to our principal?
>>>>> Should I talk to him directly? Any suggestions would be greatly
>>>>> appreciated!
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
>>>>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>>>>> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
>>>>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
>>>>> nuisance."
>>>>> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>>>>>
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