[nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school

Fri Feb 10 21:48:30 UTC 2012

that or perkins brailler; it got me through school

-----Original Message----- 
From: David Andrews
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 4:05 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school

Slate and stylus!

Dave

On 2/10/2012 9:58 AM, frandi.galindo at gmail.com wrote:
> How else is some one who has vision problems or who is blind suppose to 
> take notes in schools with out some kind of device that assists them in 
> doing so. Do people expect them to bust out a pencil and a sheet of paper 
> and start printing or cursive like the rest of them?  Educate.  That’s the 
> magic word.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 1:52 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school
>
> Actually, I think that there is a problem if you cannot be trusted to not
> cheat when using a notetaker on a test. If people cannot trust you with
> something like that, they probably cannot trust you with other things.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" 
> <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 6:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school
>
>
>> Well, it is easy to cheat with a notetaker and I'm surprised blind 
>> students these days are let to take tests with them.
>> When I was in middle and high school, I was not allowed to use my braille 
>> n speak on exams.
>> That said, these students have no business accusing any one of cheating.
>> They need to focus on their own work.
>> If they don't have evidence of cheating, they cannot do anything about it 
>> anyway. Just say you are not cheating and go on.
>> -----Original Message----- From: Beth
>> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 8:26 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school
>>
>> Chris,
>> Cheating on tests is a huge thing.  IF these kids are trying to
>> tarnish your academic integrity, you need to tell the principal
>> once again.  She will have to educate the kids about blindness
>> and academic integrity issues.  This is important as you will
>> need academic integrity in order to go on to college and
>> university and if caught at university doing this, they will
>> penalize you and kick you out.  Every sylabus at college I saw
>> had an Academic Integrity policy on it, and that should be said
>> of middle school.
>> Beth
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
>> list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:18:17 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school
>>
>> Hi Ashley,
>>
>> I agree.  I don't think this is something which is effecting my
>> right to a "free and appropriate education," and therefore
>> wouldn't be appropriate for an IEP or to even be brought up at
>> the IEP meeting; that is, unless it happens again and again.  As
>> I reported here last week, I have talked with my principal about
>> this, and she has promised to take care of this.  I trust that
>> she will, so I'm letting it go for now.
>>
>> Also, after more recent events have happened, the pretzel
>> incident seems like a pretty small matter.  I won't go through
>> all the details, but basically other students at my school have
>> been falsely accusing me of cheating on tests (that is, looking
>> at notes I take in my notetaker during tests) and being "let off
>> the hook" on classwork when I'm really in a pullout class.  These
>> kids really need to be educated!
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> Chris Nusbaum
>> Email and Google Talk/Keychat (on the BrailleNote) ID:
>> dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
>> Skype: christpher.nusbaum3 or search for Chris Nusbaum
>>
>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
>> nuisance."
>> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 23:30:25 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school
>>
>> Chris,
>> If it happens again and again, then bring it to the IEP team.
>> But if not,
>> I'd let it go.  I mean you let the top official-- the principal
>> know.  So I
>> think that is enough.  Its not as if the Iep team will do
>> anything more; and
>> besides most of them such as your parents and TVI already know
>> about the
>> issues.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chris Nusbaum
>> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:07 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school
>>
>> You're right; it wouldn't be something to put in my IEP.  But do
>> you think it would hurt to bring it up to the team?
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
>> nuisance."
>> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 15:09:51 -0800
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school
>>
>> This is not the kind of thing that you put in an IEP.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Hope Paulos" <hope.paulos at gmail.com
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 4:48 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school
>>
>>
>>    Hi Chris.  I'm assuming you're in high school..  I'd go to
>> both your
>> principal and your guidance counselor.  I wouldn't talk to him
>> directly-- I
>> think he'd get more dicipline if you had the principal talk to
>> him.  I'd
>> also bring it up during your IEP/PET.
>> HTH
>> Hope and Beignet
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:54 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school
>>
>>
>> I knew this kid, speaking of criminals who were playground and
>> school
>> bullies, who was always harassing me, got mein trouble at lunch
>> one day in
>> elementary school, and later went on to rape somebody and go to
>> jail for
>> it.
>> Beth
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Desiree Oudinot <turtlepower17 at gmail.com
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 18:41:07 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school
>>
>> When I was in elementary school, I had kids stealing books from
>> me,
>> throwing erasers in my hair, pulling chairs out from under me,
>> you
>> name it, they did it.  The worst part was that most times, my
>> teachers
>> were right there, and refused to do anything about it, because
>> they
>> too were uncomfortable with my blindness, so why should they
>> intervene? I say this because it wasn't so long ago that this
>> happened
>> to me.  I grew up in the 90's, before bullying was the huge deal
>> it is
>> now, but still close enough to the events of Columbine that it
>> wasn't
>> completely unheard of either.  And it was as "unacceptable" then
>> as it
>> is now.  Yes, I put unacceptable in quotes, because guess what,
>> it
>> happens every day and so little of it is actually dealt with.
>> Meanwhile, things that are no real problem at all are resulting
>> in
>> criminal records, such as a case I heard about recently where a
>> boy
>> gave his friend a hug in school and was charged with sexual
>> harassment.  I forget their exact ages, but they were young,
>> elementary
>> school age.  And yet, kids are driven to suicide, depression,
>> drugs,
>> and every other dysfunction in the book, because they're bullied
>> mercilessly every day and no one will do anything about it.
>> Why do I say all this? I say it because I hope your school isn't
>> like
>> mine was.  I hope that someone in authority actually cares.  I
>> hope that
>> it doesn't escalate, because most kids have a cruel streak.  I
>> think
>> it's true what they say about the impulsiveness of
>> adolescents--it's
>> human nature to be cruel, and at that age, most of us haven't
>> learned
>> how to control those impulses or aggressions, making them the
>> most
>> prone not only to selfishness and thoughtlessness, but to almost
>> animal rage, not to mention an inability to see beyond their own
>> actions to how they might be affecting others.  My point is,
>> people
>> like this have to be stopped.  Perhaps if something can get
>> through to
>> them while they're still young and impressionable, they might
>> not grow
>> up to be tomorrow's criminals.  Or maybe they will, who knows.
>> But I've
>> seen enough to know what usually happens in these situations,
>> even if
>> it was 15 years ago; and, in saying that, I hope things have
>> evolved
>> at least a little bit since then.  It makes me sick to read
>> messages
>> like this.  I hope for your sake that these small actions do not
>> go
>> untouched.  Right now this kid is probably testing the waters,
>> seeing
>> just how much he can get away with.  If he can steal a pack of
>> gum, so
>> to speak, he may try to steal a candy bar next, then a bag of
>> chips,
>> and on and on it goes, you get the picture.
>>
>> On 2/1/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>> Chris, I know what you're going through.
>> I had a girl, put a dead frog in my shirt, as we were playing
>> outside,
>> (I was in elementary school, when that happened.)
>> Go to your principal, and he/she should do something.
>> This stuff has got to stop!
>> If they don't do anything, go in front of the schoolboard!
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 2/1/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I had a problem at school today that I'd like to get your
>> thoughts on as to what I should do next.  Today during lunch,
>> another kid at my table dumped his bag of pretzels into my water
>> bottle without my knowing; he must have thought it was some kind
>> of funny prank.  Fortunately, I was sitting next to a good
>> friend
>> of mine, who told me about this.  Even after multiple people
>> commented negatively about what he did, he said nothing.
>>
>> Variations on this have happened before with this same kid as
>> the
>> perpetrater; only once before today this school year and 3 times
>> last year.  The one time something like this happened this year,
>> he put his dirty napkin in my Yogurt cup (after I had finished
>> eating the Yogurt) without saying anything.  The first time
>> (with
>> the napkin,) I realized that this had happened as I was getting
>> my trash together to throw it away.  Knowing who did it, since
>> he'd done this kind of thing before last year, I said, "(Insert
>> name,) why is your napkin in my Yogurt?" Knowing that he had
>> been
>> caught, he replied, "Oh...  sorry." I then talked to the lunch
>> lady who is in charge of supervising all of us in the lunchroom.
>> She said she would talk to him.  I wasn't there when she did,
>> but
>> apparently she had, as the problem (for about a month and a
>> half)
>> had been resolved...  that is, until today.
>>
>> I feel that this is a person taking advantage of my blindness
>> and
>> playing a "prank" on me knowing that I won't catch him.  So,
>> what
>> do you think I should do next? Should I go to our principal?
>> Should I talk to him directly? Any suggestions would be greatly
>> appreciated!
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
>> nuisance."
>> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>>
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