[nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school
Chris Nusbaum
dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
Sat Feb 11 17:58:44 UTC 2012
Correct. I'm in my second semester of 8th grade now, and will be
going to high school next school year.
Chris
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real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists. If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Hatgelakas" <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net
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Date sent: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 17:45:14 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school
Chris is in middle not high school.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
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Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school
Nicole,
Excuse me, we are talking high school, not college.
Read the original email. Chris is in eigth grade and students
are acusing
him of cheating.
I think they are just trying to bully him. But that said, I
think he
needs to ensure they can see his work like other students.
There needs to
be visual verification, just as there is for other students.
So, if you need to use your technology, hook up a display to it.
Then when
students acuse you of something, you have the teacher's backing
since
they saw you do the exam.
Personally, I think blind students get to use electronics way
too much. If
sighted students have to write by hand and read the test, why
not blind
students. Read the braille test and write answers.
Many schools do not let you use personal computers and IMO it
should stay
that way.
Also, having options is important because your technology can
break down.
It seems like blind students are treated and trusted more so
than sighted
students in public school these days with taking exams on their
equipment.
I didn't do that. It worked okay so I know there are other
options.
-----Original Message-----
From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 1:45 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school
Please be careful about making blanket statements. What may
be/have been
for
you may not be the case for everyone. I am currently attending
college,
and
I am allowed to use both my BrailleNote and my laptop on tests.
Of course,
there is that thing called the honor code that says that
cheating is
against
the rules. It applies to me no differently than it applies to
other
students. This is enough to ensure that I do not cheat. As I
said in a
previous email, if you cannot be trusted to not cheat on tests,
then it's
possible that you cannot be trusted with certain other things.
As for your options for other test taking methods, only 5 is
really
practical in a college setting.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
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Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 9:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school
Hi,
Well, I think there needs to be supervision of these notetakers
if they
are used in test situations.
I think a monitor should be hooked up to the notetaker for
monitoring.
Alternatively you can take tests a number of different ways in
high
school; I am glad I did not use my notetaker as the temptation
to look at
notes would be there and besides I firmly believe one needs to
keep up
their hard copy braille skills and not rely on notetakers all
the time.
BTW, you do not use a notetaker in college; you use a computer
or a
reader for tests. You cannot use your own PDA such as a braille
notetaker
or personal laptop either; at least where I went to school you
do not
because they know you have personal and school info on your
laptop,
notetaker, I Pad, etc.
Why should blind students get to use electronic equipment when
the rest
of the class has to write by hand?
You have an advantage if you use a pc or notetaker because you
can edit
your work.
Instead of a notetaker you can take tests these ways and
eliminate the
questions that you might be cheating:
1. Have your TVI, teacher of the visually impaired, read it to
you.
2. Have an aide read it to you if one works with you.
3. If you have to write, you write on a brailler and your TVI
transcribes
it. Oh what a concept; write by hand like everyone else!
4. Read it in braille and mark your answers in braille on a
brailler. You
can also mark your answers with a crayone or something else.
5. Take the test on a school issued computer that has none of
your study
notes on it.
That said I'm sure no cheating is going on; but just saying if
you want
to eliminate suspicions, you do not use your own
notetaker which has your notes on it.
Ashley
-----Original Message-----
From: frandi.galindo at gmail.com
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 10:58 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school
How else is some one who has vision problems or who is blind
suppose to
take
notes in schools with out some kind of device that assists them
in doing
so.
Do people expect them to bust out a pencil and a sheet of paper
and start
printing or cursive like the rest of them? Educate. That’s
the magic
word.
-----Original Message-----
From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 1:52 AM
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school
Actually, I think that there is a problem if you cannot be
trusted to not
cheat when using a notetaker on a test. If people cannot trust
you with
something like that, they probably cannot trust you with other
things.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
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Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school
Well, it is easy to cheat with a notetaker and I'm surprised
blind
students these days are let to take tests with them.
When I was in middle and high school, I was not allowed to use
my
braille n speak on exams.
That said, these students have no business accusing any one of
cheating.
They need to focus on their own work.
If they don't have evidence of cheating, they cannot do anything
about
it anyway. Just say you are not cheating and go on.
-----Original Message-----
From: Beth
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 8:26 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school
Chris,
Cheating on tests is a huge thing. IF these kids are trying to
tarnish your academic integrity, you need to tell the principal
once again. She will have to educate the kids about blindness
and academic integrity issues. This is important as you will
need academic integrity in order to go on to college and
university and if caught at university doing this, they will
penalize you and kick you out. Every sylabus at college I saw
had an Academic Integrity policy on it, and that should be said
of middle school.
Beth
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
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list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:18:17 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school
Hi Ashley,
I agree. I don't think this is something which is effecting my
right to a "free and appropriate education," and therefore
wouldn't be appropriate for an IEP or to even be brought up at
the IEP meeting; that is, unless it happens again and again. As
I reported here last week, I have talked with my principal about
this, and she has promised to take care of this. I trust that
she will, so I'm letting it go for now.
Also, after more recent events have happened, the pretzel
incident seems like a pretty small matter. I won't go through
all the details, but basically other students at my school have
been falsely accusing me of cheating on tests (that is, looking
at notes I take in my notetaker during tests) and being "let off
the hook" on classwork when I'm really in a pullout class.
These
kids really need to be educated!
Chris
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real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists. If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
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Date sent: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 23:30:25 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school
Chris,
If it happens again and again, then bring it to the IEP team.
But if not,
I'd let it go. I mean you let the top official-- the principal
know. So I
think that is enough. Its not as if the Iep team will do
anything more; and
besides most of them such as your parents and TVI already know
about the
issues.
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:07 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school
You're right; it wouldn't be something to put in my IEP. But do
you think it would hurt to bring it up to the team?
Chris
"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists. If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
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Date sent: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 15:09:51 -0800
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school
This is not the kind of thing that you put in an IEP.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hope Paulos" <hope.paulos at gmail.com
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<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school
Hi Chris. I'm assuming you're in high school.. I'd go to
both your
principal and your guidance counselor. I wouldn't talk to him
directly-- I
think he'd get more dicipline if you had the principal talk to
him. I'd
also bring it up during your IEP/PET.
HTH
Hope and Beignet
----- Original Message -----
From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
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Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school
I knew this kid, speaking of criminals who were playground and
school
bullies, who was always harassing me, got mein trouble at lunch
one day in
elementary school, and later went on to rape somebody and go to
jail for
it.
Beth
----- Original Message -----
From: Desiree Oudinot <turtlepower17 at gmail.com
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Date sent: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 18:41:07 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] asking for advice on problem at school
When I was in elementary school, I had kids stealing books from
me,
throwing erasers in my hair, pulling chairs out from under me,
you
name it, they did it. The worst part was that most times, my
teachers
were right there, and refused to do anything about it, because
they
too were uncomfortable with my blindness, so why should they
intervene? I say this because it wasn't so long ago that this
happened
to me. I grew up in the 90's, before bullying was the huge deal
it is
now, but still close enough to the events of Columbine that it
wasn't
completely unheard of either. And it was as "unacceptable" then
as it
is now. Yes, I put unacceptable in quotes, because guess what,
it
happens every day and so little of it is actually dealt with.
Meanwhile, things that are no real problem at all are resulting
in
criminal records, such as a case I heard about recently where a
boy
gave his friend a hug in school and was charged with sexual
harassment. I forget their exact ages, but they were young,
elementary
school age. And yet, kids are driven to suicide, depression,
drugs,
and every other dysfunction in the book, because they're bullied
mercilessly every day and no one will do anything about it.
Why do I say all this? I say it because I hope your school isn't
like
mine was. I hope that someone in authority actually cares. I
hope that
it doesn't escalate, because most kids have a cruel streak. I
think
it's true what they say about the impulsiveness of
adolescents--it's
human nature to be cruel, and at that age, most of us haven't
learned
how to control those impulses or aggressions, making them the
most
prone not only to selfishness and thoughtlessness, but to almost
animal rage, not to mention an inability to see beyond their own
actions to how they might be affecting others. My point is,
people
like this have to be stopped. Perhaps if something can get
through to
them while they're still young and impressionable, they might
not grow
up to be tomorrow's criminals. Or maybe they will, who knows.
But I've
seen enough to know what usually happens in these situations,
even if
it was 15 years ago; and, in saying that, I hope things have
evolved
at least a little bit since then. It makes me sick to read
messages
like this. I hope for your sake that these small actions do not
go
untouched. Right now this kid is probably testing the waters,
seeing
just how much he can get away with. If he can steal a pack of
gum, so
to speak, he may try to steal a candy bar next, then a bag of
chips,
and on and on it goes, you get the picture.
On 2/1/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
Chris, I know what you're going through.
I had a girl, put a dead frog in my shirt, as we were playing
outside,
(I was in elementary school, when that happened.)
Go to your principal, and he/she should do something.
This stuff has got to stop!
If they don't do anything, go in front of the schoolboard!
Blessings, Joshua
On 2/1/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
Hi everyone,
I had a problem at school today that I'd like to get your
thoughts on as to what I should do next. Today during lunch,
another kid at my table dumped his bag of pretzels into my water
bottle without my knowing; he must have thought it was some kind
of funny prank. Fortunately, I was sitting next to a good
friend
of mine, who told me about this. Even after multiple people
commented negatively about what he did, he said nothing.
Variations on this have happened before with this same kid as
the
perpetrater; only once before today this school year and 3 times
last year. The one time something like this happened this year,
he put his dirty napkin in my Yogurt cup (after I had finished
eating the Yogurt) without saying anything. The first time
(with
the napkin,) I realized that this had happened as I was getting
my trash together to throw it away. Knowing who did it, since
he'd done this kind of thing before last year, I said, "(Insert
name,) why is your napkin in my Yogurt?" Knowing that he had
been
caught, he replied, "Oh... sorry." I then talked to the lunch
lady who is in charge of supervising all of us in the lunchroom.
She said she would talk to him. I wasn't there when she did,
but
apparently she had, as the problem (for about a month and a
half)
had been resolved... that is, until today.
I feel that this is a person taking advantage of my blindness
and
playing a "prank" on me knowing that I won't catch him. So,
what
do you think I should do next? Should I go to our principal?
Should I talk to him directly? Any suggestions would be greatly
appreciated!
Thanks,
Chris
"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists. If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan
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