[nabs-l] IT concepts and diagrams

Thu Feb 16 01:59:13 UTC 2012

Andi,
In theory you're right; in practice not. If I had equal access, they would 
install jaws on one computer in the study rooms and
in the writing center and in the professor's office. I go to see my I T 
professor for assistance; everyone else but me can watcher her demonstrate 
things on the computer; if  we had jaws there, I'd hear what was happening 
during office hours; anyway, I bought a laptop so I could complete my lab 
work with her assistance.

Regarding diagrams, I'd have to identify an actual tactile kit and ask for 
it. I'm not sure what I'd want exactly.
The tactile graphics kit from APH looks good, but I do not know if it can be 
used by hand, meaning you draw by hand, not on a computer.
It can be found at
http://shop.aph.org/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_Tactile%20Graphics%20Kit_1-08851-00P_10001_11051
I suppose I could call and ask. It looks nice and extensive. From its 
description, I'm unclear on weather  you draw on paper backwards or 
regularly; I know with a tracing wheel you have to draw backwards.
Well, something to think about; I'm hoping my former tvi from high school 
can show me a kit so I know if its worth getting.
Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Andi
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 8:03 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] IT concepts and diagrams

The disabilities department has to make tactal drawings for you if it is
relevant to the corse.  It is the law and their job to make necessary
acomidations, if they can not it is their job to either help you do it or
find someone who can.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Ashley Bramlett
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 9:22 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] IT concepts and diagrams

Andi,
Maybe you're refering to the tactile drawing kit from APH. They also make a
velgrow board called a Wheatley kit, but thisn't what you're refering to.
There's no way the disability office would make diagrams/pictures for me.
They don't seem too helpful. I suppose I could ask though to be sure.
I'll look at that link. I'd prefer something that we don't have to draw
backwards with. I'm thinking  of tape and a combo of other things; only not
sure what they are yet.

Thanks.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Andi
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 9:03 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] IT concepts and diagrams

Well the puffy paint is an option if the disabilities servuses will make the
diagrams ahead of time this would have to be coordinated with the prof, but
the problem with puffy paint is it only works for symple depictions and
concepts more complecated ones need some different looking things to
represent different items.  I just thought the puffy paint was a quick fix
for simple things but if it is more complicated it gets jumbled at least to
me.  That is why I suggested the map making kit but I am having trouble
finding it.  Perkins sells what they call a complete drawing kit but it
isn't the same thing.  I am still looking for the other thing which I think
would help you more but hear is the link to the perkins tactal drawing kit
let me know if it might help.
https://secure2.convio.net/psb/site/Ecommerce/929921530?VIEW_PRODUCT=true&product_id=1326&store_id=1101
I am sorry I can't remember who makes the tactal map making kit I promis I
am still looking.  Does anyone ellse know what I am talking about?
-----Original Message----- 
From: Ashley Bramlett
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 12:51 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] IT concepts and diagrams

thanks Greg; considering I need to take the paper home, I probably will
choose something else; I cannot let it sit there and dry that long.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Greg Aikens
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 12:42 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] IT concepts and diagrams

Puff paint takes about 4 hours to dry.

-Greg

On Feb 13, 2012, at 11:37 AM, Andi wrote:

> As for the puffy paint that is what I am refering to, I don't remember how 
> long it takes to dry sorry maybe some one ellse knows.  The map kit well 
> it is sort of what I am talking about but it is more involved.  The map 
> kit does have the rubber mat and the tooles with the wheels, but there are 
> many wheeled tools maybe six or eight diferent types of lines, and there 
> are mettle plates with different textures that you lay under the paper 
> then take a flat tool and rub it the paper then takes on this texture in 
> the places you rub.  There are also these things that resemble tongs but 
> the ends have different markings you put the tong like thing on either 
> side of the paper and use a stamper to press down and get arrows dots  and 
> other symbles.  I think there is more in the kit but I can't remember 
> everything it is pretty useful.  I will try to find a link to where you 
> can by it but I don't remember where I got it from any more so I will get 
> back to you unless someone ellse knows.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Ashley Bramlett
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 11:23 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] IT concepts and diagrams
>
> Andi,
> Thanks. How long does it take puffy paint to dry? I assume you mean the 
> kind
> at general craft  stores.
>
> For products for us, I've seen the raised line kit that has a rubber board
> and you place a film covering over it and draw with a special pen it comes
> with.
> I don't think that is what you're refering to.
> Is this a kit with a tracing wheel? I think I saw something like this 
> years
> ago with my vi teacher.
> The kit she used required you to draw backwards and she used braille paper
> for the drawings.
>
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Andi
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 11:10 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] IT concepts and diagrams
>
> Puffy paint is one option, or there is this wonderful thing cald a map kit
> and it has all sorts of different tools for making different texture for
> lines and grids and sections of a picture.  It is kind of expencive but 
> your
> place of learnings disabilities department could perchase it and make the
> diagrams for you.  It comes with thin mettal sheets to draw on but you can
> also use brail paper.  The biggest problem is you have to draw backwards 
> but
> I am sure some one in the department will be able to figure it out or if 
> you
> are able you can use it to.  I myself always have trouble with the 
> backwards
> part but if you are good with slate and stilest that shouldn't be a 
> problem.
>
> Andi
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Ashley Bramlett
> Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 5:13 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: [nabs-l] IT concepts and diagrams
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> So I am in this IT class which is an introduction to computer concepts. We
> go over what is in a compputer, how it runs and
> the Office suite.
>
> We just did the information processing cycle. My professor is really 
> helping
> me out during office hours. She even brought in parts of a computer.
> So I got to feel part of a motherboard and hard drive! Wow, I never knew
> hard drives had those round stackable disks. The book had pictures of 
> these
> parts. Since I could not see them well, she thought it would be a great 
> idea
> for me to have hands on exposure.
>
> Many diagrams are in the book; like every other page. And I’m not
> exaggerating. The book is named Computers: understanding technology. So if
> anyone used it, you know what its about. It’s a pretty good book about 
> what
> is in a computer overall; it even explains the function of a mouse and
> keyboard even though everyone knows what they do. We just finished 
> covering
> the information processing cycle and now we are on software programs.
> Anyway, I’m thinking of ways to see these pictures or better visualize 
> them.
> I have some vision so I thought of using those dark 20/20 pens but to my
> knowledge they are not in color; I want something in color. Hmm. Maybe Mr
> sketch markers; although I don’t want something that thick. I want 
> something
> like a 20/20 pen in color; like basic colors such as red and green.
> What can I do for tactile graphics?
>
> What are other ways to create tactile diagrams? Any tape you found good? I
> don’t want to use wiki sticks.
> My professor describes the concept or picture to me; for instance if there
> are arrows, she explains what its pointing to. But sometimes IMO I’d like 
> a
> diagram of stuff.
> Maybe I should buy that graph paper from APH to discuss cells so I can
> understand that spatial relationship when we do excell.
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